When did the campaign to subvert America's children start?

(Note: This is an open thread, but there is an Israel war thread just below this one.)

When I was a child, my uncle invited my parents to bring the family to stay for a few days in one of his two beach houses at Playa del Rey, California. This was before Marina del Rey was built, but after oil was found on the strand in nearby Venice during the 1930s, leading to the building of oil wells, which come with some bad smells, etc. So the neighborhood had seen better days.

The house he lived in was impressive and pleasant despite the deterioration of the neighborhood. Both houses might be considered mansions, though not large ones. Knowing my uncle, he probably got them at bargain prices, anticipating future re-development. The original development was built starting in 1921 in an area of sand dunes (rather than in the nearby wetlands) and attracted buyers like Cecil B. Demille. I don't know if anyone famous lived in the house where we stayed.

Anyway, we got there late, having gotten lost in Venice. We passed spooky oil wells. The house where we were to stay would probably work for a made-for-TV Halloween movie -- lots of wood paneling, small servant's quarters and strange narrow hallways and stairs. And being near the airport, there would be lots of foggy days for moody beach filming. Odd how they build California airports in the foggiest spots possible.

There were no lights in the neighborhood to speak of when we arrived, and there were hints that vagrants might have taken up residence in some of the houses.

Because Playa del Rey is near Venice, some of those vagrants could have been Beatniks. My parents did not approve of Beatniks. Dad went through the house with a baseball bat before allowing us to enter. I know -- He shoulda had a revolver.

When I think of Venice, California, I think of Beatniks as well as the later phenomena of Muscle Beach and widespread homelessness. Come to think of it, the Beatniks' romantic view of vagrancy may have something to do with today's homeless epidemic in Venice.

Posing before a sample of beatnik art are
Miss Beatnik of 1959 contestants in Venice, California

Anyway, Mark Judge has written a piece in which he recounts a night when a member of The Beat Generation started the campaign to subvert America's children as part of the larger culture war. I'm not sure it was THE night when the culture wars started, but it is definitely creepy:

"We'll get you through your children!"
That was the threat shouted by the poet Allen Ginsberg on a fateful night in 1958. Ginsberg was yelling at Norman Podhoretz, a conservative writer. The confrontation between Ginsberg and Podhoretz is described in Podhoretz's 2001 book Ex-Friends: Falling Out With Allen Ginsberg, Lionel and Diana Trilling, Lillian Hellman, Hannah Arendt, and Norman Mailer.

The Podhoretz essay, called "My War With Allen Ginsberg," has stayed with me for years. I occasionally re-read it for its tremendous foresight, wisdom and power. It is a first-hand account of a night in America in which the modern culture war began. With elegant and at times very funny observations, Podhoretz predicted everything that would happen for the next 60 years: How we got to be a country awash in drug abuse, transgenderism (and the medical malpractice that comes with it), mental health problems, anti-Americanism and atheism. It's the genesis of our modern cultural and political nightmare.
Most chilling is the part where Ginsberg, a drug user, sex addict and member of NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, bellows at Podhoretz: "We'll get you through your children!" That very thing has indeed happened. It's why Podhoretz, still going at 93, has never forgiven Ginsberg, who died in 1997. The left did in fact get back at square America by corrupting her children.

Allen Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA???? We're still getting conflicting signals about whether the LGBTQ movement (Queer Theory and Transgenderism in particular) has anything to do with pedophilia.

The conflict between Podhoretz and Ginsberg was the result of the young Podhoretz slamming Ginsberg and his fellow writers. In the 1950s Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, William S. Burroughs and others formed a literary group that would become known as the Beat Generation. The Beats thought America was too conformist. They advocated drugs, sex, poetry, alternate spirituality, and long car trips. Their most famous member, Jack Kerouac, wrote a book about their experiences called On the Road -- a book Podhoretz panned. The Beats were hugely influential to the counterculture of the 1960s (despite the fact that Jack Kerouac turned conservative late in life and hated hippies, but that's another story). For young people it became cool to listen to jazz, do drugs, and aimlessly leave home without much of a plan. The Beat influence was still huge when I was in college in the 1980s. . .
He went on: "For nearly four hours that Saturday night in 1958, Ginsberg and I had at each other on all of these issues."
Podhoretz argued in favor of George Orwell's idea that normal people living normal lives of faith, freedom, heterosexuality and steady work can have just as much joy, adventure, and thrills as anyone outside the system -- in fact maybe even more, as they would avoid drug addiction, sexual diseases and perhaps even hell itself.
Years later Podhoretz would come across a park in Massachusetts dedicated to the Beats and make this observation:

We were memorializing Ginsberg and Kerouac, thereby further weakening our already tenuous grasp on Orwell's saving fact, and abandoning the field once again to these latter-day Pied Pipers, and their current successors, who never ceased telling our children that the life being lived around them was not worth living at all.

Well, Mark Judge can pick that night as the start of the culture wars, including the war against children, but like it says in the movie poster at the top of the post, EXPLODING FROM ALLEYWAYS AND IVORY TOWERS . . .

Can you think of others before the Beat Generation who were trying to subvert the Children of America?

How is the campaign to subvert America's children going now?

"I don't usually do long threads, but this is important to understand.
Upon learning stats like this, many people ask themselves, "How can this be real? If it were real, we'd hear about it all the time!"
You don't hear about it for several reasons, but here's a biggie:
The educational establishment doesn't care. They don't care that students can't read because they are operating under a different definition of "literacy."

When you think "literacy," you think "the ability to read and write." When the educational establishment thinks "literacy," they think "political literacy."
Our schools aren't teaching kids to "read" as you understand it. They are teaching kids to "read and write the word to read and write ***the world***," to paraphrase Paulo Freire, the Brazilian Marxist who's "literacy" program was imported into the United States in the 1970s and 80s.
In the highlighted case-pictured here - the educational establishment doesn't care that 0 kids can read with proficiency. "Learning to read" isn't their learning objective. That's why everyone hasn't been fired. They only care that kids are learning to "read" their "lived experiences" through a radical political lens. . .

Would Paulo Freire's program for political literacy have been accepted in the USA without the prior influence of the Beatniks (and others)?

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Last week's thread, Thread before the Gardening Thread, Sept. 30: Compare and Contrast: Dangerous African at the border, Africans brought to the Italian border.

How do progressives treat Ibram X. Kendi vs. Coleman Hughes? Update: Even when the latter is being sort of socialist in a TED talk?

Update 2: (on Kendi)

How now
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Another hero
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Bites the dust

Also freedom of speech, "book banning", Gavin Newsom and Justin Trudeau. And more.

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Posted by: K.T. at 11:15 AM

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1 WtH is going on w/these threads??

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 07, 2023 11:16 AM (7Fj9P)

2 First?

Posted by: Reforger at October 07, 2023 11:16 AM (B705c)

3 WtH is going on w/these threads??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

There is a lively Thermos versus thermos debate.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:18 AM (43xH1)

4 I is confuzzled.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2023 11:22 AM (Z2aTH)

5 This was all called out as toxic at the time. You voted for it and got it good.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at October 07, 2023 11:24 AM (as3uC)

6 Because Playa del Rey is near Venice, some of those vagrants could have been Beatniks. My parents did not approve of Beatniks. Dad went through the house with a baseball bat before allowing us to enter. I know -- He shoulda had a revolver.

Glock. 9mm.

Posted by: Stirring multiple pots at once at October 07, 2023 11:26 AM (lR6tR)

7 My history is a little shaky due to public screwls. Did Ginsberg get appointed to the Supreme Court before or after the transition?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 07, 2023 11:28 AM (z+89e)

8 I bumped WeirdDave's war thread up so people could keep comments on the war in Israel in one place.

We may put up another war thread later in the day, along with our regular weekend fare, depending on how long the comments go.

Posted by: KT at October 07, 2023 11:28 AM (rrtZS)

9 Strange things be happing. Must be aliens.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:29 AM (NJ1o7)

10 The MST3K version of The Beatniks is hilarious.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2023 11:30 AM (63Dwl)

11 Uh, I meant happening, aliens doncha know.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:30 AM (NJ1o7)

12 Kids can't read because the education system is underfunded! We need more billions!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 07, 2023 11:34 AM (R8uWY)

13 Thanks for the Astrud Gilberto, KT!! Back in 2016 when we were "homeless" for two wintry and stressful months between selling our house and finding another, husband and I got hooked on Bossa Nova. Still listening to the Brazilian Music channel on Pandora today. It's pretty awesomely uplifting on gray, cold days--and any other time you need some happy music.

Hmm. Some Brazilian music might be in order today.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at October 07, 2023 11:34 AM (fTtFy)

14 Regarding illiteracy in Illinois, I’m guessing this is more widespread than we know. It’s part of the plan, see Fahrenheit 451 for example.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:35 AM (NJ1o7)

15 Plumbing was going well buy blew a connection I had but thought wasn't good.

As for subversion, about time I was in high school it started but was in the early stage.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 11:35 AM (fwDg9)

16 Kerouac hated Hippies. “Wolves in sheep’s clothing” was the phrase he used, iirc.

The 20,000 foot view is about all we have, because documentation is lacking, though not the results.

The Beats first captured attention, I think, in a curious drug-addled cross country trip on Kesey’s Magic Bus. The spook agencies had done their work on many of these guys, ostensibly trying to dose prisoners of war with psychedelics for mind control or interrogation. Naturally they took up where the Nazis left off.

I can’t prove it necessarily, but the fact that 10 years later the entire baby boom generation was dosing on millions of hits of LSD was not an accident, it was not an organic grass-roots phenomenon, it was a psy-op on a huge demographic. And very successful.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 07, 2023 11:36 AM (iSwfz)

17 I've never been able to conclude (to my own satisfaction) what the goal of dumbing down kids is; whether it's a means to an end, or an end in itself. Illiterate, uneducated young people are far more easily swayed into negative behaviors than more knowledgeable examples, but also tend to be far more hard to control, generally. They are very difficult to discipline.
Maybe an endgame for this kind of thing is found in Cambodia, where all descriptions are of Khmer Rouge 'soldiers' being utterly ignorant kids, armed and turned on the adults. I guess I've never established to my own satisfaction what, exactly, the people who do these things to kids and young people really want their victims to *be* or to *do*. It's hard to believe the goal is as basic and simple as pure power, but maybe that's all it is.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:37 AM (43xH1)

18 Clutch summed this up pretty well.

https://www.yout ube.com/watch?v=m44rM-evnb0

Posted by: Reforger at October 07, 2023 11:37 AM (B705c)

19 Also, as I said to my long suffering wife, these kids, whose can’t read, write or do math will be completely dependent on government and they will be violent.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:38 AM (NJ1o7)

20 For 60 years the left has dominated the education system and NO Republican has ever tried to stop them. The reddit states in the union still have the worst kind of liberal indoctrination systems known as public schools. DeSantis is the ONLY person to fight back against the liberals. Many of you may think of him as a "globalist stooge" but at least he is fighting the culture wars while most of our "hero" conservatives do nothing but cry about their impotence.

Posted by: JT Smith at October 07, 2023 11:38 AM (FxdZx)

21 Also, as I said to my long suffering wife, these kids, whose can’t read, write or do math will be completely dependent on government and they will be violent.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly'

Khmer Rouge 'soldiers', see above...

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (43xH1)

22 A lot of the ills this country suffers are due to Maynard G.Krebs, friend of Dobie Gillis. Get off my lawn.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (0EOe9)

23 Well let us put it to rest - Thermos/thermos
https://is.gd/7oX6x2

Posted by: Ciampino - Dewar flask at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (qfLjt)

24 22 A lot of the ills this country suffers are due to Maynard G.Krebs, friend of Dobie Gillis. Get off my lawn.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (0EOe9)

Propinquity, Dobie!

Posted by: Zelda Gilroy at October 07, 2023 11:41 AM (PiwSw)

25 Khmer Rouge 'soldiers', see above...
Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (43xH1)

Yes, I saw that. Everything thing the left does has a purpose, short or long term.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:41 AM (NJ1o7)

26 I seem to recall there being magazine subscriptions geared towards the "tweens" in the late 60's and through the 70's. Monthly rags with some sort interest theme... like sports, science fiction, outdoors, chemistry/electronics/etc. Those tended to be for the boys and I remember having a couple different subscriptions during junior high.

I guess my point is that while my parents had Time, Newsweek and the National Geographic there was material geared for kids that wasn't filthy pr0n.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 07, 2023 11:42 AM (Q4IgG)

27 A lot of the ills this country suffers are due to Maynard G.Krebs, friend of Dobie Gillis. Get off my lawn.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (0EOe9)

WORK!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:42 AM (NJ1o7)

28 My history is a little shaky due to public screwls. Did Ginsberg get appointed to the Supreme Court before or after the transition?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 07, 2023 11:28 AM (z+89e)

After The Fly, but before Earth Girls Are Easy.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 11:43 AM (QBaJw)

29 3 WtH is going on w/these threads??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

There is a lively Thermos versus thermos debate.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:18 AM (43xH1)

IT'S SPELLED "THERMOS"

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at October 07, 2023 11:43 AM (PiwSw)

30 It's hard to believe the goal is as basic and simple as pure power, but maybe that's all it is.'

I mean, if I had lots of power, I'd want to DO something with it. A bunch of wild children with no knowledge or discipline are very hard to do anything with! Hence my confusion about a goal. Is the goal simply to have a bunch of malleable idiots to play with? Like dolls, or toy soldiers, with no other goal?

That seems... unsatisfying to any human being, but maybe not. That is the thinking of a murderer or serial killer, a torturer and sadist who only wants other people around to (temporarily, it never lasts) satiate their inexhaustible lust for power and control. Although that does exactly describe a great many Communists.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:45 AM (43xH1)

31 I’m not distinguishing myself either in typing or proofreading, I blame my public skool education

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:45 AM (NJ1o7)

32 IT'S SPELLED "THERMOS"
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER'

FINALLY!

Posted by: LENNEAL at October 07, 2023 11:45 AM (43xH1)

33 Great content, K.T.! I did not know that Playa del Rey history which I find fascinating. I lived just south of the airport for a long time and would often run down Pershing into Playa and then back in the beach strand. I find it depressing that this subversion has been going on my entire life and I never really noticed until recently. I guess it’s gotten more blatant. My kids years in public schools (in LA County!) were fairly innocent and mine were completely innocent mumble-mumble years ago…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 11:46 AM (xT8gx)

34 Dobie Gillis probably became a United States Congressman. Maynard G. Krebs probably opened a Birkenstock/bongo drum store. Who would be contributing more to society? Discuss.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 11:48 AM (0EOe9)

35 BTW…. That Allen Ginsberg is a completely different Ginsberg than the one Reagan appointed to SCOTUS (but had his appointment withdrawn when his past marijuana use came to light?)… right? Two different guys?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 11:51 AM (xT8gx)

36 30 schools with no literacy? Pfffft. Pikers.
- Baltimore

Posted by: Montec at October 07, 2023 11:51 AM (5JSDK)

37 I suppose I always had the pop culture vision of beatniks as Americans trying to ape French clothing styles, playing bongos in dimly lit clubs, and performing shitty poetry between drags off of Gaulois cigs. The gun wielding, rioting, raping version is not something I would have thought of on my own.

Posted by: Ginsberg was a creepy homo though at October 07, 2023 11:51 AM (lR6tR)

38 On topic:
I received my questionnaire from the law firm handling my case against the Boy Scouts of America. Holy Hell, there were a lot of questions. I already had a narrative of events written out a couple weeks ago that took me a good part of Labor Day weekend. Probably spent eight hours on that. Spent another couple hours last night cutting and pasting and answering the questions. Some of the categories were masturbation, oral sex, sodomy (you know what I'm trying to avoid saying), pornography, assault, and probably a few more that I was able to N/A. I really don't know how the BSA thinks they can continue to exist with the alphabet letter people either trying to infiltrate or take them down. Anyway, I did my part to advise them that my abuse only occurred because there was a regularly scheduled meeting for all Scoutmasters at a certain time every week at summer camp and the pedophile knew he'd be alone. The BSA did fire his ass and drove him off the reservation that same night. But there's no 'Undo' button in life.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 11:52 AM (enJYY)

39 I only thing I think I know about Dobie Gillis is he was somehow mixed up in that Gilligan’s Island castaway fiasco….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 11:53 AM (xT8gx)

40 Don't have a date for when it happened, but I'm inclined to blame Horace Mann, and the very institution of public schools.

If you don't like that, there's always my standard villain, William of Ockham.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 07, 2023 11:53 AM (brAQZ)

41 Re: Cambodia, to refer yet again to the guy I love to hate the most, Mike Klonsky, SDS, Friend of Bill A, when he returned from the Killing Fields of Cambodia he wormed his way into DePaul and a whole bunch of other Chicago universities into, you guessed it, the Education Departments. When Bill and Bernadine resurfaced he put them into Chicago universities. All Mike's ideas are direct from Pol Pot and Ieng Sery. And he's been hugely influential in Chicago schools.

My issue with Mike over Bill is that while Bill was setting off pipe bombs and having orgies, and *talking* about killing 20% of the population, Mike was in Cambodia actually doing it. So that 20% business? It's not talk; not only do they mean it, they have already done it! There is a big difference between the two, to me.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:53 AM (43xH1)

42 But there's no 'Undo' button in life.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 11:52 AM (enJYY)

True, there isn't. But there is a "Revenge" button.

Posted by: Just food for thought at October 07, 2023 11:54 AM (lR6tR)

43 Allen Ginsburg was a pederast and a supporter of NAMBLA.

https://is.gd/KA1elC

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was founded in 1978. One of its founding members was David Thorstad, a writer and gay rights activist. He was also an admitted paederast and believed in the rights of men and boys to engage in sex, regardless of age or age difference. The aim of the organisation was to advocate for the legality of such relationships and it did so by suggesting that the rights of children were being infringed through the existence of age-of-consent laws.

Which is exactly what the Transgender Community is claiming.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at October 07, 2023 11:54 AM (9yUzE)

44 Beatniks were kinda before my time (even though I'm 29). Only thing I remember is that when I was growing up in Travis Heights in Austin in the late 1950s, my parents said the Pig Stand near our house was a Beatnik hangout.

I understood that that was a bad thing, but that was all.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at October 07, 2023 11:54 AM (fTtFy)

45 between drags off of Gaulois cigs. The gun wielding, rioting, raping version is not something I would have thought of on my own.
Posted by: Ginsberg was a creepy homo though at October 07, 2023 11:51 AM (lR6tR)

In all honesty, I smoked more that a few Gitanes in my younger years. Those and a strong cup of coffee will get your morning started.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:55 AM (NJ1o7)

46 Back in my neck of the woods in Ohio, we had a lot of houses like the one described above. Hell, even my parent's final house had a strange, narrow stairway going to a small room in the attic. This was off a pantry, so probably for a mid level family's servant. We had a couple abandoned ones which were great for showing girlfriends the "haunted house". Key to that is have a large ball bearing in your pocket, drop it loudly and let it roll. Free squeeze.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 11:56 AM (0EOe9)

47 Look at the photos of the musicians and early rock n roll stars before 1964. Well dressed, clean cut and smiling, always smiling and happy.

After 1964, they started sliding, first the long hair, unkempt looking, and all their pictures they look unhappy, snarling, sneering and nobody smiles.

Look at a picture of Jay-Z today. Man looks like he’s smelling shit with a big grimace and a frown., and he’s worth millions.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2023 11:56 AM (R/m4+)

48 As a group who wants to express themselves, fine. . . let these lower 2% scum element have their rights in peace, which is an act which is ultimately American. But if they want to form the Weather Underground, if they want to subvert the instruction about our divine nation's creation, purpose and definition, if they want to substitute the Constitution with Marxist Rat Bastard Mao's Little Red Book, if they want to bomb and kill cops just for show. . . . . . then march these vile pricks to the curb, cap them, and let the dogs and the rains take away what's left.

Posted by: Despise Marxist Rat Bastards & Academicians at October 07, 2023 11:57 AM (/6bcX)

49 LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 11:46 AM

Interesting!

My uncle moved a couple of times after he lived in that house, but he never got particularly far away, and he maintained friendships with some interesting characters in the area.

Posted by: KT at October 07, 2023 11:59 AM (rrtZS)

50 When I worked in the public schools the worst teachers were of the Rousseau idea, that children are all geniuses and that social structure impedes and stunts their development.
Those teachers could, often, keep their classrooms of juvenile thugs and whores under control but absolutely nobody else could. They ran personality cults, and their classes were otherwise absolutely uncontrollable.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 11:59 AM (43xH1)

51 Jay-Z today. Man looks like he’s smelling shit with a big grimace and a frown., and he’s worth millions.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2023 11:56 AM (R/m4+)

Billions. With a b.

Posted by: Montec at October 07, 2023 11:59 AM (5JSDK)

52 OVER 70% of those illiterate children are in Chicago Schools. So surprising./s

Politically, the coup de grace of the beatniks (IMO) was the ouster of Goldwater in the mid-60's. I (think) I remember my dad saying, "hm, they got him."

Educationally, a lot of high school crap textbooks came out of University of Chicago. Their "new math" concepts completely ruined me for math. To this day. I resent the h*ll out of them.

And yes, the T in lgbTq+ is certainly pedophilic. Otherwise, why the 'drag queena story hour" BS. Why "family friendly" [spit] "pride" parades.

And didn't some soviet say 'we'll defeat you from the inside.'? I'm quite sure Ginsberg was a communist. AS were many (most?) of the "Beatniks."

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 07, 2023 12:00 PM (Rbu5d)

53 I’ll play amateur psychologist… Why do these people want to subvert and destroy the lives of children? Because they’re extremely unhappy and tortured souls in their own right. They can’t or won’t lift themselves up so the only thing left to do is tear others down. Getting others to adopt their perverted lifestyle somehow justifies their own sins. It’s ultimately spiritual: the toughest thing any human ever does is admit their own depravity. Easier to pull everyone else into the mud

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:00 PM (xT8gx)

54

Those chicks look like they all got a mouthful of bad splooge...

Posted by: Don Lemonparty at October 07, 2023 12:02 PM (ATlMO)

55
True, there isn't. But there is a "Revenge" button.

Posted by: Just food for thought at October 07, 2023 11:54 AM

According to the lawyer I first spoke with the BSA had a database of names of abusers. I gave enough information about location, month, and year that if the person is on the list - maybe they'll give me his name. I'd like to know that he was an early casualty of HIV and abused no others.

Probably find out he's in the US Senate.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 12:02 PM (enJYY)

56 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

You can substitute fear with ... OPSEC.

This is a defining moment for civilization.

Late to the party, but I'm here now.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2023 12:03 PM (u82oZ)

57 9 Strange things be happing. Must be aliens.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 11:29 AM (NJ1o7)
...
11 Uh, I meant happening, aliens doncha know.

https://___flip.com/i/2ld75j

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 07, 2023 12:06 PM (Rbu5d)

58 Glock. 9mm.
Posted by: Stirring multiple pots'

At the time described the only real 9mm options were a Hi-Power, or some wartime bringback Luger or P-38. I did not know anybody who did 9mm until well into the 1980s when the Beretta 92 started getting adopted, and that includes the S&W 39/59 series which almost nobody had. Those were 'cop guns'.
Also none of them ran on anything except FMJ and what use was that?
Everyone ran revolvers or maybe .45 ACP.

Posted by: LenNeal stirs it some more at October 07, 2023 12:07 PM (43xH1)

59 Easier to pull everyone else into the mud
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:00 PM (xT8gx

Sadly, you are correct, IMHO. Easier to tear down than build up. And psychologists, I firmly believe many have real problems that they choose to project on others rather than deal with it themselves.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 07, 2023 12:07 PM (NJ1o7)

60
I’ll play amateur psychologist… Why do these people want to subvert and destroy the lives of children? Because they’re extremely unhappy and tortured souls in their own right. They can’t or won’t lift themselves up so the only thing left to do is tear others down. Getting others to adopt their perverted lifestyle somehow justifies their own sins. It’s ultimately spiritual: the toughest thing any human ever does is admit their own depravity. Easier to pull everyone else into the mud

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:00 PM

I think that's one way to look at it. But I remember what the now-former writer for Breitbart, Milo somethingorother, had to say which got him fired. He seemed to think that older men had some sort of 'responsibility' to 'assist' boys/young men into the ghey. That they needed that assistance.

You see, it was like some sort of civic duty. In his depraved mind, anyway.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 12:09 PM (enJYY)

61 According to the lawyer I first spoke with the BSA had a database of names of abusers. I gave enough information about location, month, and year that if the person is on the list - maybe they'll give me his name. I'd like to know that he was an early casualty of HIV and abused no others.

Probably find out he's in the US Senate.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 12:02 PM (enJYY)

I was thinking about his recently, my experience in the Boy Scouts was relatively mundane, and our leaders were all parents of the boys... except one.

It never occurred to me to think anything sinister of it, but it was odd that this one guy was involved in our troop. My assumption I guess, was that if the parents were ok with him being there, then why wouldn't I.

The only "odd" thing I recall is on a camp outing, he would take showers out in the open, completely nude, seemingly luxuriating in the experience. My circle of friends thought it was funny as hell, but what I don't know, is if any of the more vulnerable boys, ones we tended to ostracize, may have had other... experiences.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:09 PM (QBaJw)

62 Homer Simpson did not like Beatniks either,

: o )

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 07, 2023 12:10 PM (8sMut)

63

In 1959 Gaston Glock was 30 years old and his company made curtain rods.

Posted by: That One Cherub... at October 07, 2023 12:10 PM (ATlMO)

64 37 I suppose I always had the pop culture vision of beatniks as Americans trying to ape French clothing styles, playing bongos in dimly lit clubs, and performing shitty poetry between drags off of Gaulois cigs. The gun wielding, rioting, raping version is not something I would have thought of on my own.
Posted by: Ginsberg was a creepy homo though at October 07, 2023 11:51 AM (lR6tR)

"Funny Face" beatnik club scene. Moving the overton window? Preprogramming? I dunno.
https://tinyurl.com/4fstw3wy

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 07, 2023 12:12 PM (Rbu5d)

65 From the 1970s into the 1980s I knew two guys who ran Hi-Powers and they were considered lunatics. Who needed all those bullets!? "Can't hit what you're aiming at, or what?"

This is no way advocates 'magazine restrictions' or anything like that, but it really was the attitude at the time!

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:12 PM (43xH1)

66 A couple things. What with world news, I filled my gas tank this morning. No big deal, what with prices increasing I fill every 100 miles. Went to the adult beverage store. Now, when I left on this excursion, it would be normal for me to just put my little NAA mini revolver in my pocket, or my Ruger LCP. This morning I grabbed the 1911, in a rug with two spare mags. Now, small town AR isn't a magnet for terrorism like seen in Israel, but with Retardo welcoming everybody, who knows. Not paranoid, just careful. Bastard will keep us all on edge.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 12:13 PM (0EOe9)

67 but what I don't know, is if any of the more vulnerable boys, ones we tended to ostracize, may have had other... experiences.
Posted by: BurtTC'

Yes.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:13 PM (43xH1)

68 He seemed to think that older men had some sort of 'responsibility' to 'assist' boys/young men into the ghey. That they needed that assistance.

You see, it was like some sort of civic duty. In his depraved mind, anyway.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 12:09 PM (enJYY)

Milo of course, always was and is, a charlatan.

However, consider that. "Older men had some sort of responsibility..."

Yes, they did. And do. Now, consider the possibility that gay men, when they got their hands on young boys... what allowed them to do so? How'd they manage it?

If it wasn't gay men, it was those introducing young boys into any number of other depraved ways of life.

What allowed them to have that kind of influence over "normal" men's children?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:13 PM (QBaJw)

69 but what I don't know, is if any of the more vulnerable boys, ones we tended to ostracize, may have had other... experiences.
Posted by: BurtTC'

Yes.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:13 PM (43xH1)

I have older siblings, and I watched my parents fight like hell for the souls of their children. By the time I got old enough, I had a hard lesson learned, watching my siblings go through the gauntlet, and it allowed me... for the most part, to get through those years relatively unscathed.

Other kids who didn't make it... it's hard to say it, but I think it's mostly because they didn't have parents like mine.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:17 PM (QBaJw)

70 What kind of sicko predates on kids because they are so pathetically weak the only way they can feel 'in control' or feel an sense of personal agency is to abuse and damage things so much weaker than themselves those things may as well not even be human?

Perhaps I have just answered my own rhetorical query.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:17 PM (43xH1)

71 My circle of friends thought it was funny as hell, but what I don't know, is if any of the more vulnerable boys, ones we tended to ostracize, may have had other... experiences.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:09 PM (QBaJw)

That is very weird behavior. Something definitely off

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:19 PM (1Pw1g)

72 A lot of the ills this country suffers are due to Maynard G.Krebs, friend of Dobie Gillis. Get off my lawn.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 11:39 AM (0EOe9)

Sounds a lot like work.

"Work !"

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2023 12:19 PM (T4tVD)

73 Again, when I was in the schools, I was literally begged to get an elementary license; this was a problem as I actually do enjoy teaching, oh, about 3rd Grade. I truly enjoyed teaching 3rd grade.
They wanted me to get a licensure because there were entire schools with not one male teacher in them in any capacity. But I heard rumblings from 'the community' that the absolute only reason I would teach elems was because I was a fag or child molester, and that scared the shit out of me. At the time, one accusation and that would be it. Now, maybe not so much! But at the time I did not believe it to be worth the risk.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:21 PM (43xH1)

74 I liked 3rd Grade because it's a time when kids develop some weird obsession with something. I had one boy obsessed with pro wrestling, would not shut up about it. He was hilarious.
They like drawing and art, they like to learn stuff but aren't too young to absorb it. I liked the kids at that age because it was FUN.
It was Fun! I liked going to do 3rd Grade. I had a blast and the kids picked up on it.
What that says about my mental development well, okay, but I had a great time.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:26 PM (43xH1)

75 My circle of friends thought it was funny as hell, but what I don't know, is if any of the more vulnerable boys, ones we tended to ostracize, may have had other... experiences.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:09 PM (QBaJw)

That is very weird behavior. Something definitely off
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:19 PM (1Pw1g)

It's possible to look back on childhood, and see the weirdos who were lurking wherever they were. The scout leaders, teachers, coaches... priests.

They were around. And I sincerely believe the thing that most inoculated many of us was parents who were paying attention.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:27 PM (QBaJw)

76 Also 3rd grade there isn't any sexualization. Around me it started to become a real problem in 5th grade but sometimes earlier.
The girls, starting in 5th grade and sometimes 4th, would 'try out' come-ons and sexual behavior on me and that was just creepy as shit.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:30 PM (43xH1)

77 All plumbing connections are done, now the moment of truth if I did them all correctly

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:30 PM (fwDg9)

78 They wanted me to get a licensure because there were entire schools with not one male teacher in them in any capacity. But I heard rumblings from 'the community' that the absolute only reason I would teach elems was because I was a fag or child molester, and that scared the shit out of me. At the time, one accusation and that would be it. Now, maybe not so much! But at the time I did not believe it to be worth the risk.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:21 PM (43xH1)

It's possible the "rumblings" were coming from those who didn't WANT a healthy adult male in that role.

The women who went into teaching, some of whom are obviously wonderful people, had a massive influence on boys, and equally obvious is that much of that influence was/is negative.

So here we are now, I guess. The unhealthy adult males are allowed to roam free in the schools.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:30 PM (QBaJw)

79 The older I get, the more thankful I am for the parents I had (and still have!)… they were loving and wise and strict (yes that’s a good thing) and weren’t afraid to say no. I never doubted they loved me…. Not once. Oh and spanking was used in our house; not abusive beatings…. Far from it but spanking used as discipline for misbehavior

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:32 PM (1Pw1g)

80 Are most people hanging out in the Israel thread?

This one doesn't seem so popular. I can't really think of anything I have to say about what's going on over there right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:33 PM (QBaJw)

81 73 LenNeal. One of the most bizarre sights I ever saw involved Cambodians, as you mentioned above. Second trip to Nam. I'm in Bien Hoa. Down the road was a FANK training camp. I'm sitting outside the air terminal, and a C123 rolls in and a bunch of little folks jump off, getting directions from their handlers. A little later, I go to the head and every stall is occupied by the little people, squatting on the seats. I mean feet on the seats. Must of been twenty. Anyway, they left, and I remembered I had removed my watch (Mom and Dad, Wittnauer). It was still there.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 07, 2023 12:33 PM (0EOe9)

82 There is another old connection that was go I ng to go back to but would be more joints, getting a tiny drip from it but all I just did looks good.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:34 PM (fwDg9)

83 Homer Simpson did not like Beatniks either,
: o )
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33'

That was in fact Ned Flanders, whose parents were 'lousy beatniks'. It's the episode where child Ned undergoes spanking therapy when his parents can't control him:

"Doc, you gotta help us! We've tried NOTHIN' and we're all out of ideas!"

Posted by: LenNeal's ex-wife used to quote that one at October 07, 2023 12:34 PM (43xH1)

84 Neo has a article on this sexual opening for kids but didn't get to it yet

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:35 PM (fwDg9)

85 The older I get, the more thankful I am for the parents I had (and still have!)… they were loving and wise and strict (yes that’s a good thing) and weren’t afraid to say no. I never doubted they loved me…. Not once. Oh and spanking was used in our house; not abusive beatings…. Far from it but spanking used as discipline for misbehavior
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:32 PM (1Pw1g)

We had a priest in our parish, he sure did like spending time with the yoots. He was young himself, and I guess, good looking. He was definitely "cool."

As he spent time with the kids, at one point I believe my dad must have said something to him, about how he was interacting with my older siblings. One day I came home from school, and there was a "peace offering" from this priest. I thought that was "cool" too, just like he was (I was too young at the time to be of interest to him).

My dad sent it back. Which I didn't think was "cool" at all.

Years later, he was convicted of several crimes. Sex crimes.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:36 PM (QBaJw)

86 This one doesn't seem so popular. I can't really think of anything I have to say about what's going on over there right now.
Posted by: BurtTC'

I stated I don't do War Porn and there is nothing to be done so why obsess. Any blind person could have seen this coming so, it had to happen, it was just a matter of when.

I'd rather talk about THERMOSES

Posted by: LenNeal's ex-wife used to quote that one at October 07, 2023 12:36 PM (43xH1)

87 They were around. And I sincerely believe the thing that most inoculated many of us was parents who were paying attention.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:27 PM (QBaJw)

^^^This is truth. I never had any doubts about the leaders in my sons scout troop. But we were all involved, every meeting, every camping trip. It was great. I am saddened to see what has happened to the scouts, and, although I’m not Catholic, to the church as well. Every institution we used to rely on has been broken, sadly. But, like the Phoenix…..

Posted by: Rufus T Firefly at October 07, 2023 12:37 PM (omU9l)

88 Might have spoke to soon, f
Drip from last joint I did.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:37 PM (fwDg9)

89 every stall is occupied by the little people, squatting on the seats.'

HA! Every Turkish Airlines flight I've ever been on always has footprints on the toilet seats.

Posted by: LenNeal's ex-wife used to quote that one at October 07, 2023 12:38 PM (43xH1)

90 Seems like sane people, even people who want to emulate Pol Pot's regime, would look at Cambodia today and see if the plan worked or not. Is life better for the people who participated? Is life better for the plan's engineers and leaders, today?

Maybe they believe the plan was good, but just needs a little tweaking, and this time they'll do it right, and after all the slaughter, they'll be living in luxury?

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 07, 2023 12:39 PM (kjOVp)

91 It occurs to me that no matter what the Ginsberg’s of the world might want to do…. Strong loving attentive parents will foil the Ginsbergs of the world every time. Especially if those parents inculcate religion into the everyday lives of their kids

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:39 PM (1Pw1g)

92 "LenNeal's ex-wife used to quote that one"

Well not that exact one about Muslims and toilet seats

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:39 PM (43xH1)

93 I stated I don't do War Porn and there is nothing to be done so why obsess. Any blind person could have seen this coming so, it had to happen, it was just a matter of when.

I'd rather talk about THERMOSES
Posted by: LenNeal's ex-wife used to quote that one at October 07, 2023 12:36 PM (43xH1)

Yup. We'll see how our "leaders" respond to it. No doubt they'll F it up somehow. Then we'll have something to talk about.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:40 PM (QBaJw)

94 "public education" has been so thoroughly corrupted that it is no longer worth supporting. It is just day care for future delinquents, the children of current delinquents.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2023 12:40 PM (i9ffA)

95 Maybe they believe the plan was good, but just needs a little tweaking, and this time they'll do it right, and after all the slaughter, they'll be living in luxury?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus'

Yes. Dan Burstein, also on the SDS Instructional Tour, continued contact with Pol Pot, Ieng Sery, and the Khmer Rouge, in their bastions on the Thailand border, all the way into the 1980s long after their heinous crimes were too obvious for any sane person to deny. He continued to write polemics stating 'They've learned! Give them another chance!" and had them published in WaPo.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:42 PM (43xH1)

96 It occurs to me that no matter what the Ginsberg’s of the world might want to do…. Strong loving attentive parents will foil the Ginsbergs of the world every time. Especially if those parents inculcate religion into the everyday lives of their kids
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:39 PM (1Pw1g)

It's been said, "The Greatest Generation" was great at killing nazzies and japs, and saving the world.

They were not so good at hands-on parenting. For many of them, sadly, I know that is the truth, and it's had a profound effect on all that has come after.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:43 PM (QBaJw)

97 It can be lunch time

Oh wait, it's Saturday, lunch is anytime I want it to be

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:45 PM (fwDg9)

98 Homeschooling. It's a thing.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 07, 2023 12:47 PM (NBVIP)

99 We are going to get you through your children!

The first recorded incidence of "Not the hill to die on! "

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 07, 2023 12:47 PM (R8uWY)

100 48
'if they want to bomb and ...'

They already have done this and plan to continue. It's OK if anyone starts capping them now.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 07, 2023 12:47 PM (roH4R)

101 They were not so good at hands-on parenting. For many of them, sadly, I know that is the truth, and it's had a profound effect on all that has come after.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:43 PM (QBaJw)

Yes…. It seems they came back from the war and had families and concentrated on careers. They begat the baby boomers who were largely messed up (I know that’s an unfair generalization…. But the boomers that became leaders in the country have been largely disastrous)…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:47 PM (1Pw1g)

102 The CIA fucked up Iran, and we all pay the price.

What has the CIA ever done right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 07, 2023 12:48 PM (R8uWY)

103 79 The older I get, the more thankful I am for the parents I had (and still have!)… they were loving and wise and strict (yes that’s a good thing) and weren’t afraid to say no. I never doubted they loved me…. Not once. Oh and spanking was used in our house; not abusive beatings…. Far from it but spanking used as discipline for misbehavior
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:32 PM (1Pw1g)

That doesn't seem consistent with your blanket fixation.

But really, good for you. Be forever grateful. My folks made me self-loathing and suicidal by the time I was 10. Not everybody gets good parents. Or even decent parents.

Posted by: I envy you, but in a non-seven-deadly-sins way at October 07, 2023 12:49 PM (lR6tR)

104 CIA went from fighting Communists in 60s to becoming Communists by 200

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:49 PM (fwDg9)

105 Yes…. It seems they came back from the war and had families and concentrated on careers. They begat the baby boomers who were largely messed up (I know that’s an unfair generalization…. But the boomers that became leaders in the country have been largely disastrous)…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:47 PM (1Pw1g)

Yes, and that's an incredibly salient point. The ones who gravitated toward "leadership" positions, all over the place, often were the ones most messed up by either absent parents (fathers, mostly), or parents who were messed up in all sorts of ways.

The rest of those who fought the war (over there, and the mothers at home), tried to raise their kids right, and those who started dominating the culture had all this influence over the "good" kids, because everything they were doing was "cool," and everything the squares were doing was not.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:50 PM (QBaJw)

106 Might have spoke to soon, f
Drip from last joint I did.
Posted by: Skip'

My latest plumbing solve is almost unbelievably stupid. I have an older tub and use a diverter on the tub spout. Handheld shower heads, the ones with the hose off the threaded insert type, are now required to have a vacuum breaker IN THE HOSE FITTING! so when you turn off the water, the bottom fitting spouts the entire contents of the hose out of the fitting itself! It's a deliberately designed-in leak! And they all have them now. I had to order a hose for 'pet washing' online to get one that doesn't have that idiotic 'valve'. I couldn't even drill it out, they're built like an aerator with a sleeve valve.
Anyway all 'fixed' now.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:51 PM (43xH1)

107 KT, Thanks for including the Bossa Nova video. While there is no substitute for Astrud Gilberto's voice, my favorite version is Diana Krall's group, especially the instrumentals. I think her guitarist and bass player were put on earth to make all other jazz musicians feel inadequate. And I love the piano chord structure she uses.

Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2023 12:52 PM (7EjX1)

108
My parents gave me zero warning about pedophiles or perverts. But then, I gave no warning to my son or daughter either. The only thing we did was severely restrict their circle into 'trusted' individuals or families.

I did tell my wife, no Boy Scouts for my son. Too many 'weird' people. Not just the adults but some of the members of my troop were out there on some spectrum of less then normal.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 12:52 PM (enJYY)

109 1930s (Great Depression era) saw a surge of popular interests in radical ideologies & organizations, including the Communist Party. It was called the Red Decade by some journalists.

1st members of the SDS were, in fact, mostly “red-diaper babies,” the children of parents who were politically active & participated in progressive, radical, social movements in the 1930s.

Posted by: L Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 07, 2023 12:54 PM (GshMh)

110 The CIA fucked up Iran, and we all pay the price.

What has the CIA ever done right?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 07, 2023 12:48 PM (R8uWY)

As much as everyone rails against the FBI, with good reason, I do think if you could start with closing down the CIA, completely, you'd be well on your way to solving much of what's wrong with this country.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:54 PM (QBaJw)

111 I couldn't even drill it out, they're built like an aerator wi-'

"We now return you to your regularly scheduled Saturday Morning programming of THERMOSES, childhood sexual abuse, and Cambodia on Ace Of Spades."

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:55 PM (43xH1)

112 Though a carpenter, starting with what my FiL did clean up jobs behind the plumbers, I have 1/2 a drywall bucket of plumbing parts. So at least these repairs are mostly free to fix.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 12:55 PM (fwDg9)

113 But really, good for you. Be forever grateful. My folks made me self-loathing and suicidal by the time I was 10. Not everybody gets good parents. Or even decent parents.
Posted by: I envy you, but in a non-seven-deadly-sins way at October 07, 2023 12:49 PM (lR6tR)

Your blanket observation is funny! I took my nic from my favorite Peanuts character. I love Peanuts… Charles Schultz was a genius IMHO

Yes… we don’t choose our parents; I hit the life lottery with mine and know I didn’t deserve it. My faith helps me believe there is some kind of grace for everyone though… even those who had bad or even terrible parents

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 12:55 PM (1Pw1g)

114 But really, good for you. Be forever grateful. My folks made me self-loathing and suicidal by the time I was 10. Not everybody gets good parents. Or even decent parents.
Posted by: I envy you, but in a non-seven-deadly-sins way at October 07, 2023 12:49 PM (lR6tR)

You're making the exact same point, from the other side of it.

I'm sorry you had the experience you did.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 12:56 PM (QBaJw)

115 1st members of the SDS were, in fact, mostly “red-diaper babies,” the children of parents who were politically active & participated in progressive, radical, social movements in the 1930s.
Posted by: L Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies'

Kathy Boudin was 5th generation. Russian Empire Marxists.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:57 PM (43xH1)

116 Though a carpenter, starting with what my FiL did clean up jobs behind the plumbers'

So, another childhood spent with a crappy hammer, straightening nails for re-use?

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 12:59 PM (43xH1)

117 Homeschooling. It's a thing.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty

"bUt HoW wIlL tHeY lEaRn To SoCiAlIzE wItH oThErz~!???"
- Every jackass leftist on Twitter.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2023 01:01 PM (IG4Id)

118 Barky is a Red Diaper Baby

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 01:02 PM (fwDg9)

119 My parents gave me zero warning about pedophiles or perverts. But then, I gave no warning to my son or daughter either. The only thing we did was severely restrict their circle into 'trusted' individuals or families.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 12:52 PM (enJYY)

I tried to shield my daughter from all this stuff, and kept the pervs away... I think. For the most part, but there were too many other influences over her.

At this point, there's a distance between us, and it is one of my greatest regrets, that I couldn't keep her insulated. I don't know what happened to her. Really, I don't. I know it was "something," but whether a particular incident, or just the slow creep of other people influencing who she became, she and I don't seem to have anything in common anymore, and she doesn't seem to care.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 01:02 PM (QBaJw)

120 I'm in Bien Hoa. Down the road was a FANK training camp.'

FANK and FARK had to be the worst acronyms of any outfits; even for Asia.

I don't know if you ever look into what you saw; I've now done 30 years on Ex-Yugo, and went back and now have 'Family' there, so it's an interesting thing to do.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:04 PM (43xH1)

121 He continued to write polemics stating 'They've learned! Give them another chance!" and had them published in WaPo.
Posted by: LenNeal

Wow.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 07, 2023 01:04 PM (kjOVp)

122 Believe it or not, Aspen, CO was a big beatnik town in the late 50's also. They had more or less taken over downtown when we traveled there.

My dad hated beatniks. My mom.....well let's just say she didn't condemn them nearly as strongly. I think I inherited her curiosity traits.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 07, 2023 01:04 PM (BdMk6)

123 Believe it or not, Aspen, CO was a big beatnik town in the late 50's also. They had more or less taken over downtown when we traveled there.

My dad hated beatniks. My mom.....well let's just say she didn't condemn them nearly as strongly. I think I inherited her curiosity traits.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 07, 2023 01:04 PM (BdMk6)

Aspen's still a weird place. I think money came in and changed it quite a bit (I certanly don't know all its history), but it still seems to retain much of that beatnik vibe.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 01:07 PM (QBaJw)

124 and had them published in WaPo.
Posted by: LenNeal
Wow.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus'

Yes:

https://tinyurl.com/5a5nkjkt

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:07 PM (43xH1)

125
At this point, there's a distance between us, and it is one of my greatest regrets, that I couldn't keep her insulated. I don't know what happened to her. Really, I don't. I know it was "something," but whether a particular incident, or just the slow creep of other people influencing who she became, she and I don't seem to have anything in common anymore, and she doesn't seem to care.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 07, 2023 01:02 PM

I could never tell my father about the Boy Scout abuse. I didn't want to tell him the same organization that honored him with Order of the Arrow was infested with perverts. As to your daughter perhaps there was something that happened. I like to site this song as the method of coping by the abused. Songwriters Carol Bayer Sager & Peter Allens wrote and was sung by Melissa Manchester

“Don't cry out loud
Just keep it inside
And learn how to hide your feelings...”

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 01:10 PM (enJYY)

126 Thanks, LenNeal. Quite a surreal thing to read.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 07, 2023 01:11 PM (kjOVp)

127 Sodomites are sexual predators. They gravitate towards where ever young meat is assembled.

If you and your kids are involved in any group activities with sports or church or the Boy Scouts, just know a sodomite is most likely there also, watching and waiting.

Talk to your kids and never let them be alone with any adult for any reason.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2023 01:12 PM (R/m4+)

128 You guys sure as hell think the whole world is about you, don't you? King James closed the theaters because he was pretty sure the syphilis epidemic was centered there. George Washington curfewed the whole city of Philadelphia because their partying, music-making, partner-swapping ways led to treason. Dime novels, iron stoves and the polka were denounced from the pulpit. But no, the real decline of the West always happens right after your senior prom. It is the talk of off-my-lawn gasbags going back to Plato's drawing room comedies.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 07, 2023 01:12 PM (4PZHB)

129 I've been trying to think of the name but it's Smoke City and yes it is, Brazilian fusion music on Da Yootubz:

https://tinyurl.com/yckxr7da

'Smoke City' indeed...

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:14 PM (43xH1)

130 always happens right after your senior prom. It is the talk of off-my-lawn gasbags going back to Plato's drawing room comedies.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver'

Fair point! Old Folks have been bitching about the kids forever and they've found complaints scrawled in Ancient Egypt. So yes, that is a completely fair criticism. A kid broke a crayon! World is going to Hell in a handbasket!
In this case, I disagree that it is a usual cycle of generational complaints because according to what I find, the people involved in this 'cycle' have destroyed entire civilizations. The Khmer Rouge didn't Rock N' Roll, they murdered every rock musician they could find. This is not a usual shaking-a-fist-at-the-clouds moment. A lot of the people here are like that (here calling a spade a spade) but this time, it's not so simple and the degeneration is real and it is serious.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:21 PM (43xH1)

131 Also AoS needs traffic and what better way to provoke it than total clickbait.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:22 PM (43xH1)

132 Talk to your kids and never let them be alone with any adult for any reason.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2023 01:12 PM (R/m4+)

Yep. My wife’s uncle was never married. Always seemed like a nice guy and was friendly…. I specifically told my wife when we were raising our kids: He will never babysit. She agreed

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2023 01:23 PM (xT8gx)

133 Thanks, LenNeal. Quite a surreal thing to read.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus'

Recent parallel? The Taliban!

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:23 PM (43xH1)

134 Dan Burstein stopped 'journalisming' about the Khmer Rouge to front a Venture Capital Firm armed with enormous amounts of PRC money and which has bankrolled such everyday names as Facebook. And Twitter.

https://www.mtvlp.com/team

I've been ranting about this since the first time I posted here, I think. Nobody pays any attention.

Posted by: LenNeal at October 07, 2023 01:27 PM (43xH1)

135 If anyone still here
GARDEN THREAD IS UP

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2023 01:36 PM (fwDg9)

136
When did the campaign to subvert America's children start?

According to the first lawyer I spoke with about the BSA bankruptcy case the sexual abuse cases were first reported shortly after it went into operation in 1910. 100 plus years of being unable to stop the abuse.

There should be a special merit badge for being that gawd awful incompetent.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2023 01:43 PM (enJYY)

137 Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 07, 2023 01:12 PM (4PZHB)

I think it's a bit misguided to conflate a driver of the Beatnik movement's status as a NAMBLA member with the garden variety gasbag shouting at kids to get off his lawn though.

Posted by: kallisto at October 07, 2023 02:35 PM (dCxaZ)

138 test

Posted by: Kemp at October 07, 2023 03:57 PM (BhZxm)

139 Pardon the anger. I know you did your best.

Yeah... they got to us while you guys were busy being "good conservatives." Leaving the state, schools, and entertainment to raise us while you chased money and status.

What faith you passed down to us did as much harm as anything else. What passes for Christianity these days is a heretical, materialistic Pauline cult that contradicts the words of Christ and drives people away from God.

You are the devils you hate.

We are the devils we hate.

It's okay though.

We can fix this.

Jesus showed us how to burn it all down. Too bad you guys never knew him.

Posted by: Coyote 191 at October 08, 2023 02:59 PM (q1A0x)

140 Of course... the deeper truth is... they got you first. And that's how they got us.

Posted by: Coyote 191 at October 08, 2023 03:07 PM (q1A0x)

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