Gun Thread: October 1st Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be October?! You know what happens in October? Huh? Do you know? Well here's a hint; it starts with "T" and ends with "E" - guesses anyone? The Texas MoMe! The Texas MoMe happens in October! Oh Sweet Heavenly Jumpin' Jesus, it's almost Texas MoMe time!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

Traveling with a firearm is surprisingly simple and I have done quite a lot of it, both by car and commercial air, without any problemos. Let's look at some helpful videos, some of which are lengthy, so if you're interested you may want to bookmark and watch them later. If you forget, an internet search on traveling with firearms will turn up a lot more.

Traveling by Car

Traveling by Air

and...

The process with airlines may seem complicated, but it's really not that bad. Believe me, if I can do it, then you can do it. In a nutshell, firearms must be unloaded, locked in a case, and declared to airline personnel and TSA. The airline people may want to see the firearm and they may not. Once checked in for your flight they will typically escort you and the luggage to a TSA checkpoint and who may inspect the case and ask you to open it as well. It usually takes less than a minute, you lock it back up, and the airline baggage people take it from there. If it's a handgun, it can go inside your checked baggage. Unless you have really l o n g luggage, rifles go as a separate item of checked baggage. The next time you see it will (hopefully) be at the baggage claim office at your destination city.

A couple of tips; in addition to locks I always put several zip-ties on my case (after the TSA inspection) so I can tell immediately at my destination if it's been opened, while the airline baggage person is still present. Also, if you make an unscheduled stop enroute, you need to know the laws in that jurisdiction before accepting custody of the bag containing the firearm. An excellent tool for this is the CCW - Concealed Carry 50 State app by Workman Consulting LLC. It's a slick app full of great information and inexpensive at $2.

There are fewer hoops to jump through with car travel, but it's where something like the CCW app can really save you from trouble. None of this is in any way intended to represent legal advice, and should you really be trusting a guy calling himself Weasel on the internet in the first place, but you will generally be OK if you lock the unloaded weapon in a case and keep it inaccessible (e.g., in the trunk). Note I didn't say you will absolutely be 100% fine and dandy-poo. YOU need to know the rules. YOU need to take the time to research the laws in the places you will be traveling through and obey them. They are not complicated, but they are serious, and the cops usually don't have a sense of humor about these things.

Now let's talk a little about bringing ammunition to the TXMoMe. The options are buy it at home and ship it in your airline checked baggage, or just buy it once you get to Texas.

Let's begin with the easiest, first. Texas is awash in shooting and outdoor stores, and you really shouldn't have any trouble using this option. There are a lot of sporting goods stores on the south side of Dallas and in the towns all the way down I-45 to Corsicana. A quick internet search should return several options, and you might want to identify a couple before you leave home. Next, there is a store in Corsicana, Brinson PowerSports, that has a generally reliable stock of major calibers, although ammo is not listed on their website. I'd suggest calling first and asking if they have what you're looking for. The physical address and phone number is:

Honestly, sourcing ammo locally seems like the most logical choice to me, but for those of you with special needs, it's pretty easy to fly with ammunition in your checked baggage. Here I am speaking in very general terms and it is incumbent upon YOU to check in advance with your airline, confirm the requirements, and comply with them.

Southwest Airlines is a popular option into the Dallas area, and I have found them to be gun friendly as far as these things go. Here is what I found on the Southwest Airlines Special Baggage webpage:

Packing Ammunition
Small arms ammunition for personal use (provided it is properly packed) is permissible in checked baggage only.

The ammunition may be placed in the same container as the firearm and must be securely packed in cardboard (fiber), wood, or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

Ammunition Limits
When checking ammunition, Customers are limited to 11 pounds (ammunition plus container) per person. Gunpowder (black powder) and primers or percussion caps are not allowed in checked or carryon baggage.

Loose ammunition or loose loaded magazines and/or clips are not allowed. Paintballs must be packaged in a leak-proof container and will be subject to limited release.

So my read is that ammunition in its original cardboard container is all you need, and it does not have to be locked inside another container inside your bag as required for a firearm, and you are allowed up to 11 pounds carried in this fashion. Although the instructions are silent on declaring the ammunition to airline personnel, again as you must do when transporting a firearm, I think it's probably a good idea to do so. You may or may not be allowed to check your baggage curbside when traveling with ammunition, so be prepared for a little extra time at the counter. Again, this is my interpretation and as we all know I am mostly full of shit, so check for yourselves.

Every airline has a section like this on their website, usually found in the baggage section, and you may have to dig around a little to find it. I also recommend printing your specific airline's policy and bringing it with you on the trip, just in case you need to help the ticket agent understand how to do their job. I will say in all the years of flying all over the country to matches, I have never once had any problem with airline personnel and their rules and have always found them well informed and helpful.

Helped a friend with one of these last weekend. She got it from her late mother-in-law and it had not been fired in years. It's a nice little rifle, but it jammed constantly. I did a little research and some suggested that the action was so complicated that disassembly for cleaning was not recommended! Well, I took it apart anyhow, and found this.

Ordered a new recoil spring and reassembled. It was tricky getting the new spring in, and I can imagine that I too might have kinked the spring if the previously damaged one hadn't made me aware of the danger. Back to the range and sent a full magazine downrange and it functioned flawlessly.

Nice work, Tom! Appreciate it!

How about all y'all? Do you perform repairs and small part replacements on your own firearms?

I'd like to remind everyone of the upcoming MoMe in Texas on October 20-21. If you're in either the northern or southern hemisphere of the planet of the earth, contact Ben Had for details. The dates and email links for MoMes are always helpfully included on the main page, left sidebar, so you really have no excuse!

There is an entire shooting program for both handguns and rifles over two days, world class food and drink, and the even world classier company of your fellow Morons! More on the Friday/Saturday schedule to come, so stay tuned.

Seriously, people. I have said this probably a hundred times now. These gatherings are a really good time, and I know of no one who regrets having attended one. No kidding. Would your ol' pal Weasel lie to you? MoMe veterans will attest to the funness. Don't be a dork, do yourself a favor and get your ass to Texas! If you're a TXMoMe veteran, please encourage the scairdy-cats to join in the fun!

TXMoMe Shooting Festivities

This seems like a good time to talk a little bit about the upcoming shooting program at the TXMoMe, or the Conservative's Burning Man, as it's popularly known. What started years ago as an informal plinking session lasting a couple of hours has matured into a full program of shooting activities over two days. I have to thank Ben Had, Cow Horse Queen and RancherBob for allowing the shooting to comprise such a significant portion of the TXMoMe.

For a while I have been conducting a Rifle Clinic on Friday morning followed by range time Friday afternoon and then again well into Saturday. We have also been steadily refining the handgun portion of the program to now include an IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Nurse R. There is also the usual static pistol range for those who prefer that style of shooting and a separate setup for gun-curious beginners desiring one-on-one supervision and instruction. Lastly and by popular demand, we're hoping to add a gun cleaning and maintenance clinic both days which will run concurrently with the live-fire programs.

Anyhoo, here's a very rough outline of the schedule of events. Times are tentative and subject to modification/change. I'll move this down to the TXMoMe section below in the coming weeks and update as necessary.

Handgun Program
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:00am - 12:30pm: Handgun Clinic (carport)
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
1pm - 3pm: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)

Handgun Program
9am - 10am: Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
10am - Noon: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range)

Again, these times are approximate and may change as weather conditions and participation warrant.

You will note there are combined rifle and handgun range safety briefings both days and attendance at one is mandatory. We take your safety seriously and ask everyone who plans to shoot to please also plan on attending this important briefing. All shooters are asked to check in with an RSO (sporting an Orange Cap of Dorkiness for easy identification) upon your arrival at either of the ranges who will answer questions and direct you to an open firing position. The RSOs wield unspeakable power so it is in your best interest to be nice to them.

If you are a novice shooter, or even have never been to the range before and think guns are icky, you are welcome to shoot! Just see an RSO and they will set you up with an experienced shooter to help you. If you miss the mandatory range safety briefing which is mandatory and must be attended, all is not lost. See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame. In the interests of time, please make it to the scheduled range briefings. Thanks.

Finally, please plan on stopping somewhere along your way to Texas and picking up some ammunition if you plan to shoot and aren't bringing your own weapons. Everyone is very generous with sharing, but please don't rely on the generosity of others to provide everything for you. You can really help out by grabbing a box of 9mm or 5.56mm or whatever you want to shoot. I will bring one of my practice rifles and if you would like to engage our new 1,000 yd target, pick up a box of 175gr. Federal Gold Medal Match in .308 Winchester ammunition.

Call for Volunteers
Help! As I mentioned above, the shooting program in Texas continues to grow, and we wouldn't be able to do it without a lot of help. If you're interested in lending a hand in some capacity, please drop me a note at gunthread at protonmail dot com indicating your date and time of arrival, and we'll be in touch. Thank You!

RSOs from prior years: Expect an email from me soon.

If you are attending the TXMoMe this year, and all the cool kids are, please keep an eye on this section for important information and updates in the coming weeks! I also want to reiterate the TXMoMe is not a gun thing with some socializing attached, but rather is a social thing with some shooting attached. If you aren't a shooter, I guarantee you will not feel out of place and will have a great time. No fooling!

Are all y'all getting excited? Weasel are!!

Cigar of the Week

This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the La Aroma Connecticut

La Aroma de Cuba is a line of Ashton cigars, an outfit known for its higher-end offerings, made in collaboration with "Don" Pepin Garcia (the "father" in My Father cigars, made by him and his son). The line is known for its fuller-bodied cigars. I reviewed one, their Edicion Especial, in this space a ways back (it's very nice, and more medium than full). A few months ago, they released their first "mild", Connecticut wrapper cigar.

Like all sticks from this line, construction is impeccable, which results in a very nice appearance. The combustion matches the looks - the burn line requires little attention. Overall, a mild experience, but definitely one with flavor. I think I picked up cedar, and nuts. For those who prefer bolder stuff, this is a Connecticut (along with Joya de Nicaragua's Antano CT) they will probably find worth a try. The La Aroma de Cuba Connecticut is new enough that many online sources still don't have it, but the robustos I tried (picked up at my local) can be had at some sites for around $6.50 and up.

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM. Great one!

Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Comments

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1 First!

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 07:00 PM (21WHr)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:01 PM (fwDg9)

3 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2023 07:01 PM (T4tVD)

4 GUBS!

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 07:02 PM (69JzL)

5 but for those of you with special needs

It's sad to realize .41 Magnum is a special needs caliber.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:04 PM (a3Q+t)

6 I acquired 4 firearms and didn't spend a penny.
My parents are moving to a retirement community and with no firearms they got passed down to me.
Mostly a Thompson Center 50cal flintlock that was a present from me about 35 or more years ago.
I will send in a picture tomorrow Weasel.
Other is a single break open 12ga and 2 x 22 cal carbines.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:05 PM (fwDg9)

7 The advice about flying with a firearm is timely and appreciated, because (recapping last week's post-ONT Gub Thread comments) I am headin' for TxMoMe! Since I already had the time off, I decided it was worth the airfare just to see you good 'ettes and 'rons, and of course our master of ceremonies, Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 01, 2023 07:05 PM (eqtR9)

8 Gun Thread! Yea!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 07:07 PM (JI3sB)

9 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:09 PM (yRXSd)

10 Nice work, Tom! Appreciate it!
I do too. Working to help a friend with their guns is a sign of a great Moron.
That pic scared me, what with THREE cartridges in the chamber area at once. I could see one, or two. But three is scary - that takes some screwing up.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 07:10 PM (69JzL)

11 Yay gubs! Top 20?

Posted by: Coelacanth at October 01, 2023 07:12 PM (ZZPor)

12 Evening all!!

Sorry Weasel, I have not sent those photo's of the Airborne Museum, life and my laziness are the main culprits. ;-)

Traveling with firearms.
3 years ago, when I attended my first TXMOME, I flew to Texas with my firearms. I took my rifle and pistol and left ammo behind as my friend said he would bring pistol ammo and rifle ammo I took a chance.
As this was during the time of Covid I got a great price on a round trip ticket and I flew First Class. Which was a good choice as when I got to the airport at 4am there was a loooong line at the desk for checking in. First Class let me skip all that. :-)

I had both firearms in a Pelican case with 4 locks. I also made sure I had the keys for EVERYTHING. All told I had no problems checking them in and there was no problem with the TSA.

For this years MoMe I am again flying. And again I am flying First Class as it gives me 2 free checked bags. So my clothes and some range stuff in one bag and the firearms in the Pelican. I might fly with no ammo again as there is no shortage like there was 3 years ago.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 01, 2023 07:12 PM (i7nQR)

13 Driving with a gun: If you have a CCW and drive the I-40, you're pretty much good, right up to the CA border.

Same for the I-10.

Of course, if you're heading to the TX MoMe from the East, and you're at the CA border, you may have overshot the mark just a tad.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:12 PM (2YtOq)

14 7 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 01, 2023 07:05 PM

Excellent!!!!! Look forward to seeing you again Schnor!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 01, 2023 07:13 PM (i7nQR)

15 Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be October?! You know what happens in October? Huh? Do you know? Well here's a hint; it starts with "T" and ends with "E" - guesses anyone? The Texas MoMe! The Texas MoMe happens in October! Oh Sweet Heavenly Jumpin' Jesus, it's almost Texas MoMe time!

Lol. Your opening monologue cracks me up each and every week, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 07:14 PM (V8he0)

16 Nice work Tom! When you get a weapon running right it gives one a warm, tingly sensation all over.

Carlos is a legend, but Chuck Mawhinney was one bad mofo. I think he still holds the single engagement kill record of 15 or 16 NVA. He caught them wading across a stream at night and would take each in turn with head shots. The NVA behind each NVA didn’t realize what was happening until he also would get shot. I believe he used an M-14 that night. I think Chuck is still vertical.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 07:15 PM (R/m4+)

17 Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 07:14 PM (V8he0)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 07:15 PM (FDB3h)

18 13 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:12 PM

Blake, I drove to the TXMOME the past 2 years from NYC. Both times with my toys and a lot of ammo. :-)

I do not have a CCW and I generally kept within the speed limit though I did try to get through NJ and the bit of Maryland I had to go through as fast as possible.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 01, 2023 07:16 PM (i7nQR)

19 Thanks once again for the thread, weasel.

Nice job on the firearm repair, Tom.

I once replaced a barrel in a 1911. The link pin kept wandering out, so, I ordered a drop in SS barrel from Midway, and, after much filing, fiddling and whatnot, I had the new barrel fitted.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:16 PM (2YtOq)

20 How about all y'all? Do you perform repairs and small part replacements on your own firearms?

Yep, if I can. I hand-made an ejector for my Schultz & Larsen out of high carbon steel rod and hardened and tempered it. Seems to work so far. Redid the bedding on my Savage with J-B Weld.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 07:16 PM (nfrXX)

21 Yay! Gubs!

Looking forward to seein' all y'all in TX in a couple of weeks!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 07:19 PM (aQy7p)

22 I do not have a CCW and I generally kept within the speed limit though I did try to get through NJ and the bit of Maryland I had to go through as fast as possible.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 01, 2023 07:16 PM (i7nQR)
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You need to move to AZ and get an AZ CCW. Good in 37 out of 50 states, I believe. And, bonus, new firearm purchases require filling out the 4473, show the CCW and AZ id, and you're out the door. If you don't have an AZ CCW, they make a phone call on the spot, which adds an extra 10 minutes or so to completing the purchase. That 10 minutes of range time you'll never get back.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:20 PM (2YtOq)

23 Did everyone put in their paperwork to get a m1911 from CMP before the Sept 30 deadline? They just increased the lifetime limit from 1 to two. I put in for my 2nd one.

BTW, I heard CMP is running low on garands. I expect sometime next year they will run out. They are out of winchesters, down to expert grades in International Harvesters (new stock and barrel) , out of service grades in HRA's. and Springfields . Better get one while the getting is good.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 01, 2023 07:22 PM (DmjHB)

24 Good evening. Glad to have Weasel back.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at October 01, 2023 07:23 PM (L3byd)

25 I've also swapped out the firing pin on a 1911. Went with a titanium pin over factory.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:23 PM (2YtOq)

26 Gunpowder (black powder) and primers or percussion caps are not allowed in checked or carryon baggage.
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TBF, this is historically accurate for reenacting other than the very odd hot air balloon in mid-century on.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 01, 2023 07:24 PM (krqg6)

27 22 You need to move to AZ
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:20 PM

Move to AZ? Sorry, that is a firm no. My 2 choices are TX or FL and lately FL (my home State) seems to be winning.
Both no State Income taxes and both with good 2A support.

I do not mean to knock AZ but it is too bloody hot!!! ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 01, 2023 07:25 PM (i7nQR)

28 For this weekend's range outing w/ the DMV MGC, I brought a new acquisition: a 1989 Colt Combat Commander that a previous owner heavily customized. It features a trigger job, checkering on the front strap and trigger guard front, full length guide rod, custom sights, and slide stop with an extended release lever. It's an excellent shooter. Hits at 15 yards are quite doable. What I don't like about it is that it is a PITA to field strip and reassemble. The tight tolerances required for excellent accuracy make reassembling the pistol difficult. The hard part is lining up the barrel's swinging link with the slide stop's pin. If you don't hold it just right, the spring and guide rod aren't aligned properly with the barrel anymore. It took more than one try to get the pistol back together again. That wasn't much fun.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:25 PM (yRXSd)

29 Did everyone put in their paperwork to get a m1911 from CMP before the Sept 30 deadline? They just increased the lifetime limit from 1 to two. I put in for my 2nd one.

So, having been through the process once, how does it work when they pick your number?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

30 The Judiciary Committee recently considered an amendment that requires ICE be notified when an illegal immigrant tries to purchase a firearm.

Every Dem voted NO.

So the Dems admit they have no problem with people having guns, as long as those people aren't American citizens.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:26 PM (a3Q+t)

31 BTW, I heard CMP is running low on garands. I expect sometime next year they will run out. They are out of winchesters, down to expert grades in International Harvesters (new stock and barrel) , out of service grades in HRA's. and Springfields . Better get one while the getting is good.

It will be sad day when they are no longer available. I've said it here before - one of my all-time biggest regrets was parting with mine. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 07:26 PM (V8he0)

32 Checking a handgun on Southwest Airlines in Louisville, Kentucky a couple of years ago, I had a bad experience.

Unlike the ticket agent on my outbound flight, this one (return flight) pried at the edge of my locked handgun case, a plastic, foam-lined clamshell box with a padlock loop, designed for air travel.

She was able to touch the butt of the gun this way, and declared the case was unfit for checking because "someone could reach the gun."

I protested that on my outbound flight, no such test was applied. She refused to budge.

So, having turned in my rental car, early morning flight leaving in 90 minutes, I had no way to get to an open store to get a case to suit her demands. There were no other options on Southwest to get me home that day.

I silently repacked my suitcase and walked away, as if to leave the airport. Once out of sight, I went to the AA ticket counter and checked my firearm. Weirdly, the agent made me empty the magazine (packed in the same box as the pistol) and wouldn't let me check the loose bullets. So I lost about $3.00 worth of ammunition, but still made my trip home.

I'm convinced the agent just had it in for gun owners.

Posted by: Frequent Flyer at October 01, 2023 07:26 PM (mgYnt)

33 Move to AZ? Sorry, that is a firm no. My 2 choices are TX or FL and lately FL (my home State) seems to be winning.
Both no State Income taxes and both with good 2A support.

I do not mean to knock AZ but it is too bloody hot!!! ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 01, 2023 07:25 PM (i7nQR)
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Oh yeah, AZ is so much hotter than FL! I mean, yep, 110 with 15% humidity is so much worse than 100 with 80% humidity....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:27 PM (2YtOq)

34 I have a Marlin Model 99-M1 that is the exact same action as the Marlin Glenfield M60, but externally (sort of) resembles an M1 Carbine. I got it in 1965. I have never disassembled it. Just cleaned the bore and squirted some CLP into the action periodically. It still runs like a champ.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at October 01, 2023 07:30 PM (PWe8a)

35 Oh yeah, AZ is so much hotter than FL! I mean, yep, 110 with 15% humidity is so much worse than 100 with 80% humidity....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:27 PM (2YtOq)
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Also, hard to imagine better shooting conditions than you get in AZ!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 07:30 PM (FDB3h)

36 BTW, I heard CMP is running low on garands. I expect sometime next year they will run out. They are out of winchesters, down to expert grades in International Harvesters (new stock and barrel) , out of service grades in HRA's. and Springfields . Better get one while the getting is good.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 01, 2023 07:22 PM (DmjHB)

One day the CMP will grow up and sale surplus M16s, M14s, SAWs and M4s that the tax payer paid for and are “surplus” items.

Semi only of course. It ain’t 1945 any longer.

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 07:31 PM (R/m4+)

37 There is no way to explain the absolute joy of seeing the Horde.

The response has been amazing and I want to thank all of you first timers for coming to join us. You will go home with great memories and a greater connection to the friends you met while on the blog.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:31 PM (m7JbD)

38 I qualified with the M-14 in basic training in the spring of 1965.The Army had three rankings depending on you score: Marksman, the lowest, Sharpshooter and then Expert. I qualified Sharpshooter.

The targets, at that time, were human sized that popped up for five seconds. If you hit it, it would drop down behind a berm. Targets ranged fro 50 meters to 450, I think.

Posted by: Javems at October 01, 2023 07:32 PM (8I4hW)

39 Good evening fellow enthusiasts.
I have much to report.
The DMV MGC met on Saturday this weekend so some of us could attend the Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly. It had been awhile and I forgot how much fun it could be.
The best part: I sold the cursed Rossi rifle. Stinky's Daddy had given me the name of someone who he assured me would buy it. And he did, without even seeing it and paid me cash on the spot.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:32 PM (t/2Uw)

40 I'm convinced the agent just had it in for gun owners.

Sounds like it. Or was "trained" by someone who did.

It's been a very long time (pre-9/11) since I flew with a gun but the gate agent wanted me to show that it was unloaded. OK, a reasonable request. But she insisted that I swing out the cylinder to show that it was empty. Uh, it was a Blackhawk. "It doesn't work like that but I can rotate it while you count the empty holes."

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 07:32 PM (nfrXX)

41 Just a FYI there are a couple other places in the fruit cake capital to buy ammo. One is of course Walmart, the selection is limited, the other is a farm and ranch store “Atwoods”. Both can be found on the internet.
Looking forward to seeing everyone soon.

Great thread Weasel!

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 07:33 PM (21WHr)

42 Stinky's Daddy had given me the name of someone Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:32 PM

Is Stinky Daddy the daddy of Stinky, or Stinky Daddy?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (a3Q+t)

43 It took more than one try to get the pistol back together again. That wasn't much fun.
Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:25 PM (yRXSd)
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I've a similar issue with the Randall 1911 I recently acquired. In order to remove the barrel bushing, one has to push the slide part way down the barrel so the barrel bushing can be removed. The barrel busing is an interesting design, as it seems to function in somewhat the same manner as a Chinese finger trap, in that when the gun is in battery, the bushing presses harder on the barrel, which is tapered at the end.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (2YtOq)

44 Well done RancherBob!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (JI3sB)

45 >>> Again, this is my interpretation and as we all know I am mostly full of shit, so check for yourselves.

Not going to the TXMOME but would like to note -
This is a statement frequently made by those who KNOW their shit, whatever topic is being discussed, so
Check for yourselves.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (ga8qR)

46 I met this guy named Weasel on this blog site....

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (m7JbD)

47 I also talked with Kenzie's Optics about the sight I want because I needed to know why one Holosun was $100 more than the one I originally was going to buy. Found out and decided to go with the more expensive one. Wasn't ready to buy as I don't have the gun I want to put it on yet, but they gave me a card and knocked $25 off the price and said they'd ship for free when I was ready.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:36 PM (t/2Uw)

48 Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 07:33 PM (21WHr)
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Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 07:37 PM (FDB3h)

49 So, having been through the process once, how does it work when they pick your number?

"OldBob,
1.) Firstyou fill out the 5 page pw, put copies of your Passport or birth certificate, shooting activity (CHL suffives for that), club membership (I joined garand collectors association - only 25 bucks a year).

2.) Then They assign you a RGN number, and contact you when your number comes up (usually you've forgotten all about it by then).

3.) Then they contact you and let you know what grades are avaliable (Service grade (best), field grade (middle), rack grade (worst) and Range grade (modified with aftermarket grips, beavertail safety, night sights etc.)
Yoy give em the payment info and your FFL info and they ship the pistil out in a nice hard case.

I got a Remington Rand Frame and slide last time and its looks brand new even though it left the factory in March 1945. Obviously an arsenal rework.

I may go for a rack grade or field grade tthis time. I'm hoping for an Ithaca or a US & S.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 01, 2023 07:37 PM (DmjHB)

50 Rancherbob, Gilfillans hardware is also carrying ammo.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:38 PM (m7JbD)

51 Is Stinky Daddy the daddy of Stinky, or Stinky Daddy?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I believe Stinky is his cat. You've met him as he has been to Texas, he is a friend of the blog but doesn't comment.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:38 PM (t/2Uw)

52 It's been a very long time (pre-9/11) since I flew with a gun but the gate agent wanted me to show that it was unloaded. OK, a reasonable request. But she insisted that I swing out the cylinder to show that it was empty. Uh, it was a Blackhawk. "It doesn't work like that but I can rotate it while you count the empty holes."
Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 07:32 PM

Flying home from TX last year, the MILFy gate agent actually complimented me on the "lovely piece" I had in my case. I don't get that leaving Boston.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 07:38 PM (aQy7p)

53 Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (m7JbD)
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EXACTLY!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 07:38 PM (FDB3h)

54 Congratulations to Rancherbob and Smarty.for a successful weekend

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:40 PM (m7JbD)

55 I'm convinced the agent just had it in for gun owners.
Posted by: Frequent Flyer at October 01, 2023 07:26 PM (mgYnt)

Mostly they seem like a bureaucratic jerk. I might pack a roll of Christmas packing tape (a la Die Hard) just for that eventuality. If the TSA guy asks, I will simply respond, "Don't tell me you've never carried BTSB - Between The Shoulder Blades?"

And now I'm pondering how to build a holster that would let you carry like that without the tape....

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 07:40 PM (69JzL)

56 I met this guy named Weasel on this blog site....
Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM

" ... and nothing will ever be the same."
-- Riff Raff

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:40 PM (a3Q+t)

57 I then went and checked out holsters and the guy there was terrific. He actually showed how he could easily change things to fit my small body and I was able to figure out where the best place for me to carry would be.
This is what a gun show is all about. In the short time I was there, learned so much. Definitely worth the price of admission.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:41 PM (t/2Uw)

58 I met this guy named Weasel on this blog site....
Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM

I've given up trying to explain this to people.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 07:41 PM (aQy7p)

59 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 07:31 PM (R/m4+)

All surviving M14's were converted to semi-auto only when it became obvious (mid-1960s) that delivering full auto fire from the M14 was a danger only to the birds and dwellers in the top levels of triple canopy jungles. Theoretically, they could become surplus today since they've been replaced by the introduction of the M110 and M27 as designated marksman rifles. But it seems unlikely. M14s have turned up in the hands of the Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces over the last year.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:41 PM (yRXSd)

60 3.) Then they contact you and let you know what grades are avaliable (Service grade (best), field grade (middle), rack grade (worst) and Range grade (modified with aftermarket grips, beavertail safety, night sights etc.)
Yoy give em the payment info and your FFL info and they ship the pistil out in a nice hard case.

Thanks. I did step 1 before the cut-off date so now I guess I just wait for step 2. Hoping for a nice top-grade something. A Rand or Ithaca would be sweet but I assume all of the really good stuff is held for auction.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 07:41 PM (nfrXX)

61 Good Evening

Posted by: GL at October 01, 2023 07:42 PM (5fDan)

62 I’ve flown with firearms twice. Once to Vegas with pistols, once to Namibia with rifles. If you go outside the country you’ll have to register the gun(s) with the Feds, so you can bring them back in without paying a tax. The cases for international travel had better be darned strong - some countries are _extremely_ anti gun/hunting and the airport workers will try to damage them and the contents. Pelican or similar usually do. Also, if it has 6 lock points, have 6 keyed alike locks. I also had the bolts removed and clearly separated from the rifles and locks through the receivers. Only one case was requested to be opened and the only comments were “nice gun”. I carried our ammo in original boxes in lockable pistol cases, split between my son’s luggage and mine so no matter what, some would get through.

Posted by: Coelacanth at October 01, 2023 07:42 PM (ZZPor)

63 No. 8 if I'd not gone back and looked at everything.
The Marlin 60 reminds me of my JC Higgins / Sears Roebuck bolt action I got in my teens.
Took it out for the first time in decades maybe 5 years back (without dusting, forget a cleaning) to a range and had ejection or feeding problems, can't remember which, and just put it back away.
I should clean it up and see if I can get it to work with dummies.

Posted by: From about that Time at October 01, 2023 07:42 PM (4780s)

64 Also, hard to imagine better shooting conditions than you get in AZ!
Posted by: Weasel

If you're a vet to get a CCW in AZ you get a form, fill it out, send a copy of your dd214 to the Sheriff with a set of finger prints and wait for the CCW to come in the mail.
Horrors, it can take up to 60 days!!!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 07:42 PM (JI3sB)

65 I've flown twice with SW with firearms. The first time with a giant rifle case and the second time with a couple of pistols. Both times it was a piece of cake. Open the case, fill out a short form, wave goodbye. Someone hand delivers it at my destination.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:44 PM (t/2Uw)

66 Having a couple of hours of stick time in a TA-4, I doubt anyone who's not a Naval Aviator is going to just jump in and fly one. The Scooter is incredibly sensitive in pitch.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)

67 GWB - soft holster, use a 8 shaped Ace wrap sewed together with holster in middle.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:44 PM (fwDg9)

68 Does anyone want [expensive] "dum-dum" splintering 12-ga shells for smoothbore riot-type shotguns??

https://www.firequest.com/RIP12.html

[Not a recommendation to buy. Includes a video.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 01, 2023 07:45 PM (krqg6)

69 The amount of theft in airline baggage I would be very paranoid

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:46 PM (fwDg9)

70 I am pondering taking apart a 12 GA shell and making a paper cartridge for my Brown Bess

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:47 PM (fwDg9)

71 >>> Mostly a Thompson Center 50cal flintlock that was a present from me about 35 or more years ago.
I will send in a picture tomorrow Weasel.
Other is a single break open 12ga and 2 x 22 cal carbines.
Posted by: Skip

I have TC percussion from about 40 yrs ago. My boy wanted to try it out. So night before we were going over manual of arms and got a major malfunction. Something jammed up between the set trigger and the hammer release and haven't had the chance to do a partial disassembly to figure it out.
Put it on the backburner when I couldn't find a source for parts.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 01, 2023 07:47 PM (ga8qR)

72 Good Evening
Posted by: GL at October 01, 2023 07:42 PM

Good evening, GL.

Posted by: H. Lecter at October 01, 2023 07:48 PM (aQy7p)

73 We're under 11 minutes until the 2000 hrs CC sitrep.

You might want to warm up your F5 finger.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:49 PM (a3Q+t)

74 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:35 PM (2YtOq)

My Colt's barrel bushing is stock, but the spring plug isn't. Because it has to accommodate the full length guide rod, the spring plug can't be released before disassembly. You have to get the slide off the frame by lining up the disassembly notch by hand before popping out the slide stop. This is a lot harder than a standard 1911. I'm tempted to replace the both the guide rod and spring plug with a stock guide rod a spring plug to make it simpler to take apart, clean, and reassemble.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:49 PM (yRXSd)

75 I cannot imagine a scenario where I would be taking firearms on a plane. So, I need not worry about it.

And, FYI, anywhere in CONUS is driving distance for me. Just gotta have enough vacation time.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, this ranch dressing is just too spicy at October 01, 2023 07:52 PM (T/Lqj)

76 A-4s were so easy to fly even John McCain could fly...wait...

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 07:53 PM (NxC5+)

77 I had a chance yesterday to shoot the G48 that I changed (by myself!)the spring in to make it easier to lock the slide. There was definitely more recoil but it didn't take me long to get used to it. Still not locking the slide easily but I'll keep working at it. Had no trouble with the G44 and the Kimber.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)

78 Theoretically, they could become surplus today since they've been replaced by the introduction of the M110 and M27 as designated marksman rifles. But it seems unlikely. M14s have turned up in the hands of the Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces over the last year.
Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:41 PM (yRXSd)

Ah, good to know Ed L! As the years go by, the CMP needs to adapt and make sure Americans have access to the same firearms as the military in as close to factory as possible. Selling items from the last century just because of politics is BS.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 07:54 PM (R/m4+)

79 And, FYI, anywhere in CONUS is driving distance for me. Just gotta have enough vacation time.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, this ranch dressing is just too spicy at October 01, 2023 07:52 PM (T/Lqj)
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yeah, same. If I'm going cross country, I'm driving. I used to love flying. Not any more. These days, it seems like all airlines are like Mistress Helga, in that you pay them to abuse you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 07:54 PM (2YtOq)

80 Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:40 PM (m7JbD)

Thanks! Actually had fun this show!

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 07:54 PM (21WHr)

81 If any of you have not had the opportunity to try a NV scope just ask.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 07:55 PM (xRZBd)

82 We're under 11 minutes until the 2000 hrs CC sitrep.

The tactics are always fluid, so it's a fascinating update from week to week.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 07:55 PM (V8he0)

83 The flintlock needed some cleaning, and rubbed it down with very fine steel wool but didn't take it apart. It's easy and looks to be broken down like my Brown Bess.
Do want to get a bore brush for 50 cal.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:55 PM (fwDg9)

84 59 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 07:31 PM (R/m4+)

All surviving M14's were converted to semi-auto only when it became obvious (mid-1960s) that delivering full auto fire from the M14 was a danger only to the birds and dwellers in the top levels of triple canopy jungles. Theoretically, they could become surplus today since they've been replaced by the introduction of the M110 and M27 as designated marksman rifles. But it seems unlikely. M14s have turned up in the hands of the Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces over the last year.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 07:41 PM (yRXSd)


I hope I'm wrong but I do not see DoD in a Democrat Administration ever releasing M-14 semi autos or M-16s converted to semi-auto to CMP for sales to civilians. Maybe not in a Trump Administration, either.

If you want a Garand, buy a CMP field grade M1 while you can. You can have them re-barreled, get a new stock, and all the parts including rear sight parts are available.

Posted by: GL at October 01, 2023 07:56 PM (5fDan)

85 A-4s were so easy to fly even John McCain could fly...wait...
Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 07:53 PM (NxC5+)

"Come to think of it, I haven't landed a plane in my life."

McCain was Tug Benson without the personality or patriotism.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, this ranch dressing is just too spicy at October 01, 2023 07:56 PM (T/Lqj)

86 Traveling with a firearm is surprisingly simple...

My first time flying with rifles was the trip to last year's TxMoMe. I was nervous about it, but had no problems at all. I stepped into the airport for departure, lugging my rifle case, and a lady at the entrance said, "Firearms? Come with me." Escorted me right to the desk, checked the case, and we were on our way. No problems on the return trip either, even with a side-trip through Phoenix.

I won't be as nervous next time.

Posted by: Half Dozen at October 01, 2023 07:57 PM (eHovo)

87 Skip, I have a bright orange hard case for my pistols and checked it separately (SW allows you 2 free pieces). It was handled differently as some one actually brought it out separately and handed it directly to me. No carousel.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)

88 We're under 11 minutes until the 2000 hrs CC sitrep.

You might want to warm up your F5 finger.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 07:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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CC's are still in summer storage, but should be out soon! In the meantime, WD and FSJ are occupying separate nests of blankeys on the couch, and WCv2 has given up the high ground back of the cushion, and is curled up next to the dogs!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 07:57 PM (FDB3h)

89 I hope I'm wrong but I do not see DoD in a Democrat Administration ever releasing M-14 semi autos or M-16s converted to semi-auto to CMP for sales to civilians. Maybe not in a Trump Administration, either.

Doesn't ATF have a "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" rule? Of course, that's an administrative rule not a law, so in theory Congress could make them change it. Which also doesn't seem very likely.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 07:58 PM (nfrXX)

90 Range report

Met MAE at our usual haunt. I was shooting the Dan Wesson Patriot 1911. Holy crap. This pistol has a mind of itself. Pick it up, point it in the general vicinity of the target and it hits center mass every darn time.

It did bite me though as I was loading a mag in a hurry. Ouch.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 01, 2023 08:00 PM (51c89)

91 WCv2 has given up the high ground back of the cushion, and is curled up next to the dogs!
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 07:57 PM (FDB3h)
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WCv2 has left overwatch to you? Complete lack of discipline! I hope WCv2 gets a sternly worded reprimand!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:00 PM (2YtOq)

92 Hi, Ben Had!

I've been looking forward to the MoMe this year, and even convinced the Better Half to go with me.

Then we got the announcement about a family wedding that we have to go to instead, so we won't make it this time. :-(

But next year, in Corsicana!

Posted by: Half Dozen at October 01, 2023 08:00 PM (eHovo)

93 Thanks for the reminder to check gun laws in the States we'll be driving through to get to Corsicana.
https://is.gd/Ixo6DB
The NRA has a great tool.
I'm good to carry in the car through both N.M. and TX.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 08:00 PM (JI3sB)

94 It did bite me though as I was loading a mag in a hurry. Ouch.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 01, 2023 08:00 PM (51c89)

Care to expand on this bite? We can always learn from said bites

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2023 08:01 PM (XtkZj)

95 Even if converted to semi-auto, ATF will not let you purchase an M-14 or M-16 without a tax stamp. Once full auto, always full auto.

Posted by: butch at October 01, 2023 08:01 PM (l/8SI)

96 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 07:54 PM (R/m4+)

Sadly, I think the Ukrainians will have first call on the remaining M14s instead of the CMP. At least while the war lasts.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:02 PM (yRXSd)

97 Half Dozen, you will be missed

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:03 PM (5wRsO)

98 The A-4 story appeals to me as my uncle flew them in the Navy. (I know you can get cases of Coors into the aircraft if you know what you're doing.) And, as someone who almost didn't get to pilot training due to medical issues (and then was grounded due to medical issues) I really understand that Marine's desire. And, while I'm often a stickler for the rules, the outcome was right - administratively out, but let him walk away.

I salute you, Lance Corporal Howard A. Foote Jr., for intrepidity in slipping the surly bonds.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:05 PM (69JzL)

99 Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:44 PM (fwDg9)

LOL that someone has put enough thought into that to pop an answer into the comments that quickly.

Egad, I love the Gun Thread Horde.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:07 PM (69JzL)

100 My first time flying with rifles was the trip to last year's TxMoMe.
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And, boy, are my arms ever tired!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 01, 2023 08:07 PM (krqg6)

101 The amount of theft in airline baggage I would be very paranoid
Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 07:46 PM (fwDg9)

That's why I'm putting a GPS tracker in my case.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:07 PM (69JzL)

102 To the Horde that will not be able to join us this year--'You are our family and you will be with us in spirit.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:08 PM (5wRsO)

103 My Colt's barrel bushing is stock, but the spring plug isn't. Because it has to accommodate the full length guide rod, the spring plug can't be released before disassembly. You have to get the slide off the frame by lining up the disassembly notch by hand before popping out the slide stop. This is a lot harder than a standard 1911. I'm tempted to replace the both the guide rod and spring plug with a stock guide rod a spring plug to make it simpler to take apart, clean, and reassemble.
Posted by: Ed L
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Ed L.
Consider getting a mag well vise block if you have a vise or if you don't, tipton makes one that swivels and screws down into a workbench.

That and slave pins make it a lot easier to work on handguns without having three hands.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:08 PM (WNWKO)

104 To the Horde that will not be able to join us this year--'You are our family and you will be with us in spirit.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:08 PM (5wRsO)
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Can we still talk about them behind their backs?

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:09 PM (FDB3h)

105 Can we still talk about them behind their backs?
Posted by: Weasel

You're asking the Horde?
LOL.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (JI3sB)

106 It's alive! Broke in my first AR-15 build this weekend - just slapped on a $40 red dot and played around at 25 and 100yds. Other than learning how to feed the magazines just right, one feeding jam, otherwise, shoots nice. Built for precision - 20" barrel, and HBAR, to be MD legal. Heavy, but nice to shoot. Last thing to do will be a scope of some sort - probably a 1-8x LPVO, so starting my research on that. Wanting to go 200-600yds on 5.56.

Posted by: MD_Mike at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (BouEL)

107 Weasel. Just THAT CBD guy.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (5wRsO)

108 Ed L.
Consider getting a mag well vise block if you have a vise or if you don't, tipton makes one that swivels and screws down into a workbench.

That and slave pins make it a lot easier to work on handguns without having three hands.
Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:08 PM (WNWKO)

Thanks for the tip, whig! I'll see if my LGS has something like that.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (yRXSd)

109 Can we still talk about them behind their backs?
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:09 PM

Wait...are we not supposed to do that?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (aQy7p)

110 Can we still talk about them behind their backs?
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:09 PM (FDB3h)
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*considers striking Weasel from NoVaMoMe cutting board list and letting him explain it to bluebell

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:12 PM (2YtOq)

111 Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (5wRsO)
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That's a given!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:12 PM (FDB3h)

112 This is pretty cool.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/



1707915765977055584?s=20

Please use tinyurl or similar - W

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 08:13 PM (t/2Uw)

113 Can we still talk about them behind their backs?

Just don't be too harsh. That's all we ask. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 08:13 PM (V8he0)

114 *considers striking Weasel from NoVaMoMe cutting board list and letting him explain it to bluebell
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:12 PM

Loving my cutting board, btw.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:13 PM (aQy7p)

115 This is pretty cool.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/


1707915765977055584?s=20

Honorary Moron material. I wonder if he hit anything.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 08:15 PM (nfrXX)

116 The Massad Ayoob videos are very thought-provoking. The video last week about 'a round in the chamber or not' has me re-thinking everything.

Posted by: DB - at October 01, 2023 08:15 PM (geLO8)

117 Posted by: MD_Mike at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (BouEL)

Make sure you get some heavier ammo. 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets are usually cited as the round of choice for anyone wanting to go for range using 5.56mm. The cheap, GI M193 55 grain ammo doesn't do very well after 350-400 yards.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (yRXSd)

118 Lots of activity on the gun ranges at the MoMe but tales from the kitchen will have you laughing until you cry

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (5wRsO)

119 Loving my cutting board, btw.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:13 PM (aQy7p)
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Glad you like it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (2YtOq)

120 FWIW, slave pins make disassembly and reassembly of a lot of firearms much easier and they can be old punches, bamboo bbq skewers, messed up phillips screwdrivers, or simply brass rods of different diameters.

If you have assorted nails of different diameters, they can work as well as the pointy end does pretty well at opening a hole under spring pressure, they are cheap, and come in a big variety of diameters.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (WNWKO)

121 This is pretty cool.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/
1707915765977055584?s=20
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 08:13 PM

*considers price tag*

*pouts*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (aQy7p)

122 Blake, do I need to send directions?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:18 PM (5wRsO)

123 Late.
Yes, my Permanent Record has Addenda.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 08:18 PM (xZEBF)

124 Blake, do I need to send directions?
Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:18 PM (5wRsO)
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Hi Ben!

No, I'm good, thanks for asking!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:19 PM (2YtOq)

125 Posted by: MD_Mike at October 01, 2023 08:11 PM (BouEL)

Make sure you get some heavier ammo. 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets are usually cited as the round of choice for anyone wanting to go for range using 5.56mm. The cheap, GI M193 55 grain ammo doesn't do very well after 350-400 yards.
Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (yRXSd)
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It pays to know the barrel twist rate when selecting ammo and bullet weights. There are a number of bullet spin stability calculators online.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:21 PM (FDB3h)

126 Blake, I have cutting board envy. Do you sell these or just do it for fun?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 08:21 PM (t/2Uw)

127 Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (WNWKO)

I picked up a punch set as part of a set of cleaning tools for my H&K SP5. Very useful for moving stiff pins or dealing pins using spring pressure to hold things in place.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:22 PM (yRXSd)

128 Way late for bed, and need to be gone by 5am
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2023 08:22 PM (fwDg9)

129 I love this place.
Come for the gunz and cigars, stay for the particle physics!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2023 08:22 PM (uSHSS)

130 Blake, I have cutting board envy. Do you sell these or just do it for fun?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 08:21 PM (t/2Uw)

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Just for fun, at this point. Unfortunately, I'm out of cutting board commission as my table saw went to table saw heaven. I should have my saw replaced sometime in the next month or so.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:24 PM (2YtOq)

131 Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:21 PM (FDB3h)

I automatically assumed a 1 in 7 twist since that's what the Big Green Machine uses. I forget that there are other twists on the commercial market that the Army never considered using.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:25 PM (yRXSd)

132 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:25 PM (dWjpk)

133 116 The Massad Ayoob videos are very thought-provoking. The video last week about 'a round in the chamber or not' has me re-thinking everything.
Posted by: DB
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Massad also has mentioned that if children are present then you must also weigh those facts. He had a Smith and Wesson Combat Magnum revolver altered so that only someone wearing a magnetic ring could shoot it---he called it fluffy. So he could keep it fully loaded and available with no worry if his children had access to it. That being said, he also trained his children very early on the 4 safety rules to the point where they could recite them from memory.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:25 PM (WNWKO)

134 Howdy blaster!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 08:25 PM (FDB3h)

135 Ammo brought to the TxMoMe is fugacious.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2023 08:26 PM (a3Q+t)

136 *considers price tag*

*pouts*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (aQy7p)
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You've got a spare kidney, right?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:26 PM (2YtOq)

137
Honorary Moron material. I wonder if he hit anything.
Posted by: Oddbob

He can probably afford to keep at it until he figures it out.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 08:27 PM (JI3sB)

138 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!
Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:25 PM

Evenin', blaster!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:27 PM (aQy7p)

139 You've got a spare kidney, right?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:26 PM

I do, but I'm rather attached to it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:28 PM (aQy7p)

140 Ed L.
Consider getting a mag well vise block if you have a vise or if you don't, tipton makes one that swivels and screws down into a workbench.

That and slave pins make it a lot easier to work on handguns without having three hands.
Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:08 PM (WNWKO)

sra blaster got me a Real Avid Bench vise for Christmas last year. There are 3 printable magwell blocks for all sorts of firearms.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:28 PM (dWjpk)

141 Ammo brought to the TxMoMe is fugacious.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

But it's so much fun!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 08:29 PM (JI3sB)

142 Whig, I’m on the board of our club. Older gent had an ND on the trap range; we suspended and called him in. He has thousands of rounds under his belt, but couldn’t tell me any of the four rules.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 08:29 PM (xZEBF)

143 If you can, bring whatever ammo you want to shoot even if you don't have the correct firearm. The firearm table will be diverse in caliber.

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 08:29 PM (NxC5+)

144 Whig, I’m on the board of our club. Older gent had an ND on the trap range; we suspended and called him in. He has thousands of rounds under his belt, but couldn’t tell me any of the four rules.
Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 08:29 PM

O_o

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:30 PM (aQy7p)

145 In my opinion the M-14/M1A is the finest infantry weapon made.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2023 08:31 PM (uSHSS)

146 I automatically assumed a 1 in 7 twist since that's what the Big Green Machine uses. I forget that there are other twists on the commercial market that the Army never considered using.
Posted by: Ed L
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1:8 and 1:9 are actually pretty common for civilians.
1:12 is more scarce nowadays and higher than that twist rate usually involves special ordering.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:32 PM (WNWKO)

147 Duncanthrax. have a little thank you waiting for you at the MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:32 PM (NfU+e)

148 Imma tell this story because swa won't - she learnt from some moron that lighter recoil springs were available for her Glock and that would make racking the slide somewhat easier.

I told her she could do it herself and she was skeptical. But she ordered the part and with a little tele-help got the pistol disassembled and replaced the recoil spring assembly.

ALL BY HERSELF.

And she took it to the range yesterday and it not only did not blow up it functioned flawlessly. So she gets her certified gunsmith pin now.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:32 PM (dWjpk)

149 There are 3 printable magwell blocks for all sorts of firearms.
Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:28 PM (dWjpk)

3D printable. There are more than 3.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:33 PM (dWjpk)

150 MD Mike, why not a standard size scope? If you're target shooting out to 600 a standard sized scope is perfect. I really like a 4-16x44 or so on that size a rifle, at those distances. Have a great time whatever you decide to do.

Posted by: ck at October 01, 2023 08:33 PM (ljHmZ)

151 So she gets her certified gunsmith pin now.
Posted by: blaster

That's pretty sweet, congrats to the new gunsmith!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 08:33 PM (JI3sB)

152 Texas MoMe side excursions?

https://tinyurl.com/3f68w5tr

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:35 PM (dWjpk)

153 142 Whig, I’m on the board of our club. Older gent had an ND on the trap range; we suspended and called him in. He has thousands of rounds under his belt, but couldn’t tell me any of the four rules.
Posted by: RI Red
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Sad. But ND's become more likely the more people get comfortable with firearms if they don't follow the rules. I have been watching myself self consciously as I have been rehabbing some old S&W 3rd Gen pistols for carry and that requires quite a bit of dummy testing, dry firing, etc. to tune them.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:35 PM (WNWKO)

154 Texas MoMe side excursions?

https://tinyurl.com/3f68w5tr

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:35 PM

My buddy sent me a link to that earlier. Sadly, we will only be eradicating hogs on the ground.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:36 PM (aQy7p)

155 congrats to swa, blaster.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:36 PM (2YtOq)

156 Gotta blackout for a bit to get home. Don’t go anywhere!

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 08:37 PM (xZEBF)

157 Dang. 26 comments in 15 minutes. I turn my back and y'all get chatty.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 08:38 PM (nfrXX)

158 I told her she could do it herself and she was skeptical. But she ordered the part and with a little tele-help got the pistol disassembled and replaced the recoil spring assembly.

ALL BY HERSELF.

And she took it to the range yesterday and it not only did not blow up it functioned flawlessly. So she gets her certified gunsmith pin now.
Posted by: blaster
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Glock's American HQ is in Smyrna GA just outside of Atlanta. Glock actually encourages civilian owners of those pistols to come there to attend a cheap one day armorer's course as well as police and military armorers.

You actually can bring your own Glock as your workpiece and refurb it with new springs etc. during the course as you learn to do it for others.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:38 PM (WNWKO)

159 Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:16 PM (WNWKO)
I use a small punch to line up the barrel link when reassembling my 1911s. Makes assembly much easier.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (PWe8a)

160 Swa, nice job. Should get you confidence to keep a set of springs on hand for refurbing and that you can install those yourself.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (WNWKO)

161 I wonder if he hit anything.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 08:15 PM (nfrXX)

Ummm, did anyone else see that weapon flex as the bolt came back and ejected the round? In the slow-mo part it sure looked... dangerous. But maybe I'm just not familiar enough with it, or am seeing things.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (69JzL)

162 blaster, lookin for you in my in box

Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (NfU+e)

163 I just flew with a firearm. Last time was a PITA. This time, through a different terminal (same airline) was a breeze. Maybe a three minute delay. I made it a point to shake the TSA agent's hand.

Oh...I misread the card I had to sign...I thought it said a maximum of 11 rounds! I ignored it and signed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 01, 2023 08:41 PM (mtC7q)

164 162 blaster, lookin for you in my in box
Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (NfU+e)

We are not in this yearI am having dinner with the Governor of Lousiana that weekend. Long story.

But next year in Corsicana!

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:41 PM (dWjpk)

165 @ 60 Oldbob "A Rand or Ithaca would be sweet but I assume all of the really good stuff is held for auction."

All US & S go to auction I heard, but Ithaca's, Colts, remington rands etc. go to the ones who put in PW.

Also. if you buy a 1911 at auction it counts toward your lifetime limit of 2.

I remember when you could only get one garand and they opened it up to 6 or 8 a year. I'm hoping they open up the 1911's like that.

They had 100,000 1911's in storage for CMP to sell. They can only sell 10,000 per year so I'm guessing after round 4 they will have 50 or 60,000 left, so we should be seeing these offerred for 5 of 6 more years at least.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 01, 2023 08:43 PM (3LdRq)

166 I use a small punch to line up the barrel link when reassembling my 1911s. Makes assembly much easier.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Yep, it surely does and some firearms you cannot easily reassemble without using slave pins. I have a personal preference for old phillips screw drivers that have gotten buggered up ends over the years. The handles give you a bit of leverage if the interior part is under spring pressure.

Had to use a couple of slave pins to reassemble 90's era Smiths and those in turn were far easier than fixing and rehabbing a 1903 Colt semi auto pistol.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:43 PM (WNWKO)

167 Ummm, did anyone else see that weapon flex as the bolt came back and ejected the round? In the slow-mo part it sure looked... dangerous. But maybe I'm just not familiar enough with it, or am seeing things.
Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (69JzL)
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Look up Ian of "Forgotten Weapons" shooting a Colt Monitor. The barrel whip is quite noticeable in the slow motion shots.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:43 PM (2YtOq)

168 In my opinion the M-14/M1A is the finest infantry weapon made.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2023 08:31 PM (uSHSS)

There's nothing to fault the M-14's performance as a rifle. The M-14's big problem was that it couldn't get produced quickly enough and cheaply enough in the numbers the US Army needed at the time. It was arguably the wrong rifle for Vietnam, where close combat in the jungles negated many of the M-14s advantages. It also failed at replacing the BAR and submachineguns (the M3 Grease Gun would soldier on until almost 2000) due to excessive recoil in full auto. The Army just asked too much of the platform. That's the Army's problem, not the rifle's. Ironically, in Ukraine, the M-14 is, after nearly 70 years, finally fighting the war it was designed for: against the Russians on the open fields of Europe.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:43 PM (yRXSd)

169 Ummm, did anyone else see that weapon flex as the bolt came back and ejected the round? In the slow-mo part it sure looked... dangerous. But maybe I'm just not familiar enough with it, or am seeing things.
Posted by: GWB
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Slo mo will show a barrel whipping around and the whole receiver then vibrating from the shot. That is why some barrels need some dampening pressure to shoot predictably while others need to free float.

The good ole SMLE has a very thin barrel and a pretty long one too. Free float it and bad things will happen with your accuracy. It actually needs the full stock, handguards, nose piece, etc. properly fitted so that the barrel resonance is dampened enough to shoot to sights.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:46 PM (WNWKO)

170
My buddy sent me a link to that earlier. Sadly, we will only be eradicating hogs on the ground.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

What about when pigs fly?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 01, 2023 08:46 PM (63Dwl)

171
What about when pigs fly?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot

Both the pres and vp vacated?
Holy shit balls.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 08:47 PM (JI3sB)

172 I remember when you could only get one garand and they opened it up to 6 or 8 a year. I'm hoping they open up the 1911's like that.

I got my first M1 from the DCM when it was still an actual part of the US Army and the limit was one per person per lifetime. And the process took over a year because it was being run by people who had a job whether or not I ever got a rifle. Getting spun off into the CMP was the best thing that ever happened to the program.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 08:48 PM (nfrXX)

173 Texas MoMe side excursions?

https://tinyurl.com/3f68w5tr

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:35 PM (dWjpk)

OK, just informed the wife that if she came into money, and wanted to get me a guaranteed happy birthday/ anniversary/ Christmas gift, that would be the one! With full auto, no less!

Which, of course, makes me think of the classic Apocalypse Now line:
"How can you shoot women and children pregnant sows and piglets?"
"I lead 'em less!"

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:48 PM (69JzL)

174 Well, time to wander. Later, all!

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:50 PM (2YtOq)

175 Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:35 PM (dWjpk)

Using MGs from helicopters to hunt hogs sounds interesting. Someone have a MP3 player to play "Fortunate Son" when the guns go hot?

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:50 PM (yRXSd)

176 Last year we went to the TxMoMe and flew for the first time with firearms. It is dead simple as weasel said.

You need a lockable case. And you don't need a TSA lock but you CAN have a TSA lock. Flying out of Dulles the airline staff was not super up on the procedure but in Dallas they sure were!

We found that we got special treatment though on both ends. I think last year someone pointed out that the airlines are SUPER incentivized to not lose your guns. Like they have to close down an airport if guns get our of control. And that cost falls on the airline.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:51 PM (dWjpk)

177 The barrel whip is quite noticeable in the slow motion shots.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at October 01, 2023 08:43 PM (2YtOq)

Wow, OK.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:51 PM (69JzL)

178 He has thousands of rounds under his belt, but couldn’t tell me any of the four rules.

My gosh I had an awful spate of those encounters at our club indoor range 30-some years ago. Once I was down range changing a target and looked back to see myself being covered by a senior member "warming up." Old timers of that era, all vets of course, rolled their eyes at the idea of having to recite rules.

I had to remind a few what my mom's maiden name was, so they'd remember that she'd lost her kid sister to an ND in 1930. h That was the reason I never got to hunt as a boy, and one of the motivations for becoming a safety instructor.

Us 'younger' shooters (29-ish) sure don't have the broad range of experience those guys had, but most of us also don't have a personal issue "being anal" about safety procedure. I've fired under a couple of real martinets, and never held it against them.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 01, 2023 08:51 PM (4PZHB)

179 Was away for a minute.
I'm blushing a bit here. But it's thanks to all of you that I have the confidence to try stuff.
My favorite moment at the gun show: Ed L wanted me to look at a rifle he thought I might be interested in. Walked up to the table and the guy selling the rifle who was definitely 29, saw me and came right over. He handed me the rifle and when I picked it up and put it to my shoulder to check the sight, he looked at Ed L and said"Not her first rodeo".
Made me smile.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 08:52 PM (t/2Uw)

180 So I was watching some videos on the current dating crises and it was interesting seeing three of the responses to it.

1) A Creepy Male Feminist Prof: Women are killing it now and men are failing. Men just need to do "better"

2) A Female Sex Researcher who has gotten in trouble with the feminist collective but isn't a conservative: Maybe if we just got rid of income inequality women would be more attracted to a broader range of men that they currently aren't interested in.

3) A Right leaning Evolutionary Psych: Status is kind of arbitrary...maybe we can just say things like being a stay at home dad are high status?

And...good luck will all that. Also, that first guy is banging multiple coeds a semester for grades he just oozed the "scumbag prof" vibe.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2023 08:52 PM (XqcwY)

181 What about when pigs fly?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 01, 2023 08:46 PM

Then we'll look into AA AP mounts.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 08:52 PM (aQy7p)

182 Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:46 PM (WNWKO)

Always learning stuff here.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 08:52 PM (69JzL)

183 "the M3 Grease Gun would soldier on until almost 2000"

I thought they got rid of it in 1991. That's when they took mine and made me carry an M16A2. Then later a M203.

BTW the M3 is a fun gun to shoot. I was pissed they took it but being issued the M203 and certifying on that made it worth it. That was pretty fun too.

Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 08:54 PM (B705c)

184 182 Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:46 PM (WNWKO)

Always learning stuff here.
Posted by: GWB
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We all are. BTW, Apex Tactical sells an auxiliary mag spring for the Enfield for the grand sum of a couple of dollars plus shipping. Designed to help feeding issues and might be worth a shot. I bought an auxiliary spring but haven't had time to try it out as basement is being remodeled where my workshop is.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:57 PM (WNWKO)

185 BTW the M3 is a fun gun to shoot. I was pissed they took it but being issued the M203 and certifying on that made it worth it. That was pretty fun too.
Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 08:54 PM (B705c)

My unit in the Army was one of the last non-SF to still have 1911s issued and I carried mine in a shoulder holster, and since we had more guns assigned than people so I was able to choose an M203.

Because "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!"

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:57 PM (dWjpk)

186 Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 08:54 PM (B705c)

Point of reference is my National Guard unit. My battalion (mech engineers) had M88 recovery vehicles. We had M3s for the crews until late 1999 when big Army finally took them away and replaced them w/ M16A2s.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:58 PM (yRXSd)

187 For folks with a Glock itch, Aim Surplus is selling some glock barrels for cheap including a 9mm conversion barrels for their Model 22 in 40 caliber. About thirty bucks or so. And some police buy back guns including a Gen 4 Glock 22 for about 280 or so.


Also some cheap Glock parts in their Glocktober specials.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 09:00 PM (WNWKO)

188 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 08:52 PM (t/2Uw)

Your experience and knowledge shows, Sharon!

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 09:00 PM (yRXSd)

189 Ironically, in Ukraine, the M-14 is, after nearly 70 years, finally fighting the war it was designed for: against the Russians on the open fields of Europe.
Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:43 PM (yRXSd)

Excellent point. The M14 is a great rifle when used correctly and in the manner it was designed for.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 09:00 PM (R/m4+)

190 GWB,
Here is a pictorial how the auxiliary mag spring works and a q/a about it and where to put it.

Goes to Enfield Rifles dot com
https://tinyurl.com/mspad4zb

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 09:01 PM (WNWKO)

191 164 162 blaster, lookin for you in my in box
Posted by: Ben Had at October 01, 2023 08:39 PM (NfU+e)

We are not in this yearI am having dinner with the Governor of Lousiana that weekend. Long story.

But next year in Corsicana!
Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:41 PM
Impress that guy. Tell him you walked through the
First Baptist Church Cemetery when you were a kid. You know you did, I know you did.

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 09:02 PM (NxC5+)

192
We are not in this yearI am having dinner with the Governor of Lousiana that weekend. Long story.

But next year in Corsicana!
Posted by: blaster

Impress that guy.
Posted by: Eromero

Tell him you gave up a weekend of shooting with a great group of morons to eat dinner with him.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 09:04 PM (JI3sB)

193 Point of reference is my National Guard unit. My battalion (mech engineers) had M88 recovery vehicles. We had M3s for the crews until late 1999 when big Army finally took them away and replaced them w/ M16A2s.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 08:58 PM (yRXSd)

National Guard. I was Regular Army. Pretty sure they left that in 91.
I got out in 94 but we had M88's in our unit when I got out. Awesome piece of equipment. Drove one off a boat in N. Carolina once. Done many a Pac replacement using one and a carriage and barrel swap on a M110a3.

Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 09:05 PM (B705c)

194 Um, Blaster, the governor of Louisiana is a Democrat. Be Careful.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 09:05 PM (t/2Uw)

195 194 Um, Blaster, the governor of Louisiana is a Democrat. Be Careful.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 09:05 PM (t/2Uw)

Yeah I am aware. Probably the last pro-life Democrat in the country.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 09:07 PM (dWjpk)

196 I can picture an alteration that'd render a surplus M-16/M-4, into a permanent semi-auto only configuration.

Cut and precisely shape an aluminum "block" to fill the extra space inside the M-16's lower receiver, trigger-group area.

Heat the alloy lower to about 250 degrees/30 minutes. Quench the filler block into liquid nitrogen for 1 minute or so. Coat the block with a mega-adhesive.

Insert the frozen (now a tiny bit smaller) block, into the heated (now with a tiny bit more "room" in the trigger group void, and let them both return to room temp.

Re-drill the trigger group holes, and duplicate the heat/freeze for the 3rd "auto-sear" hole, driving a cross pin through the hole, and flush with both receiver sides.

And now you have a very permanent, semi-auto only lower receiver.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:10 PM (e6UQI)

197 FYI, Clint Smith (Owner of Thunder Ranch training in Oregon) has an online article up at Guns.com magazine website. Interesting read as he and his assistants shot through walls and recovered bullets with pix of them.

Long and short, pistola bullets penetrate through drywall type construction and don't expand much.
Some of the rifle bullets penetrated but not enough was left of them to measure.

https://gunsmagazine.com/self-defense/holey-places/

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 09:11 PM (WNWKO)

198 Jim @ 196-, you put too much thought into this. You make me want to finish off this rum.

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 09:12 PM (NxC5+)

199 And now you have a very permanent, semi-auto only lower receiver.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:10 PM (e6UQI)

Considering an AR15 lower receiver can be purchased for $29 that sounds like a lot more cost than it would be worth.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 09:15 PM (dWjpk)

200 Friendly reminder to everyone to PLEASE use tinyurl or similar when posting links.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:19 PM (FDB3h)

201 Apex Tactical sells an auxiliary mag spring for the Enfield

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 08:57 PM (WNWKO)

Oooh! Thanks!
(Ummm, "enfield mag spring" doesn't bring anything Enfield to the top. My search-fu always sucks.)

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 09:19 PM (69JzL)

202 ...Considering an AR15 lower receiver can be purchased for $29 that sounds like a lot more cost than it would be worth. Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 09:15 PM (dWjpk)


Yeah, but you'd be getting a legit Colt's or FN stamped lower, with a serial number and provenance proving it's Military Service. Which, CMP wise, is kind of the point of the excercise?


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:19 PM (e6UQI)

203 196 I can picture an alteration that'd render a surplus M-16/M-4, into a permanent semi-auto only configuration.

I can't. Isn't there a bump on the bolt carrier to initiate the three round burst via the third hole seer interrupter and ratcheting mechanism in the trigger group?

I see whole trigger group replaced. Bolt and carrier replaced. Third hole TIG welded shut. Other holes should line up.

Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 09:21 PM (B705c)

204 Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 09:05 PM (B705c)

M88s are definitely cool pieces of equipment that can do some pretty amazing things. Being an engineer unit, we used that A-frame boom to move lots of heavy things around.

By 1999, getting .45ACP through the military supply system was almost impossible. The last range qualifications we did w/ the M3s got done w/ .45 ACP ammo bought out of the officers' pockets. Sad to see them go, but w/o any ammo, the M3s were dead weight by the time Big Army took them away.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 09:21 PM (yRXSd)

205 Friendly reminder to everyone to PLEASE use tinyurl or similar when posting links.
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:19 PM

Hey, what's a margin gotta do to get blown around here?

Posted by: The Margins at October 01, 2023 09:21 PM (aQy7p)

206 OK, 9:22pm thank you time.

Thank you everyone! Sure do appreciate you all being here this evening!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:22 PM (FDB3h)

207 Thanks as always for a great gun thread, Weasel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2023 09:23 PM (aQy7p)

208 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 09:23 PM (yRXSd)

209 Even for lurkers, this is a great informative thread, so thank you very much for hosting this, but I think you were getting dangerously close to discussing math by posting the Muon link!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at October 01, 2023 09:26 PM (hOUT3)

210 The CMP could parts out the surplus whatever’s they can get their hands on. Collectors would buy simply to have the spare parts even full uppers for Uncle Sam’s M16’s would bring good prices.

But politics rule the day and I wonder what will the CMP sell once the muskets they sell now are all gone?

Also, the CMP can get in the full auto game if the powers that be wished it, but they don’t.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 09:27 PM (R/m4+)

211 Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:10 PM (e6UQI)

But that costs time and money. It's cheaper for Big Army to just send surplus rifles to meet their fate with Captain Crunch before they're melted down for scrap.

Posted by: Ed L at October 01, 2023 09:27 PM (yRXSd)

212 My fault weasel, pasted original instead of tiny url. Have a good night.

Posted by: whig at October 01, 2023 09:28 PM (WNWKO)

213 Is that what they mean by a "margin call?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 01, 2023 09:29 PM (63Dwl)

214 Thanks as always Weasel, and good night.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at October 01, 2023 09:33 PM (PWe8a)

215 And youse guys didn’t wait for me!
*sulks*

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:33 PM (xZEBF)

216 ..I can't. Isn't there a bump on the bolt carrier to initiate the three round burst via the third hole seer interrupter and ratcheting mechanism in the trigger group? I see whole trigger group replaced. Bolt and carrier replaced. Third hole TIG welded shut. Other holes should line up. Posted by: Reforger at October 01, 2023 09:21 PM (B705c)


A very common practice to slow the bolt-cyclic speed in civilian ARs, is to install a Full Auto Bolt Carrier. Entirely legal, but is 1oz. heavier than the semi-only version.

My proposed "conversion" leaves the trigger-well to measure the SAME as a modern, civilian, semi-auto version. The foremost two holes accommodate the semi-only trigger group, or modular unit such as a Chip McCormick "drop-in" trigger. The 3rd hole (auto-sear) is permanently sealed by a cross-pin bonded by the same heat/cold/adhesive process.




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:33 PM (e6UQI)

217 I love this thread!
Thanks Weasel for all you do.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2023 09:40 PM (t/2Uw)

218 Also, the CMP can get in the full auto game if the powers that be wished it, but they don’t.

Every few years a (Dem, always a Dem) politician will learn that the CMP exists and try to make a stink about "OMG, the government is selling military grade weapons to civilians!!" So far they've been successfully ignored but there's no guarantee.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 01, 2023 09:41 PM (nfrXX)

219

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:33 PM (e6UQI)

Aren't you talking about turning a low shelf lower into a high shelf one?

Low shelf lowers are legal and available.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 09:42 PM (dWjpk)

220 For me in 5.56, a 1:7 twist with a 72 gr. load is the "magic bullet". So to speak. Certainly depends on the rifle.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 09:42 PM (V8he0)

221 When we break up into autonomous states, mine will provide and require every adult to keep an automatic weapon in their home and to drill with it routinely.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED,

Bitchez.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:42 PM (xZEBF)

222 Thanks all for the discussion, and again to Weasel for the flying-with-firearms content. First time I'm planning to do that, and my previous experiences with the Thousands Standing Around does not give me confidence that something won't go awry, but knowing that others have done so successfully is heartening.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 01, 2023 09:44 PM (eqtR9)

223 When we break up into autonomous states, mine will provide and require every adult to keep an automatic weapon in their home and to drill with it routinely.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED,

Bitchez.
Posted by: RI Red

ahhh.... don't you live in Rhode Island?
And isn't Sheldon Whitehouse your Fed Senator?
I don't think your suggestion will *ever* fly in RI.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 09:44 PM (JI3sB)

224 Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:33 PM (e6UQI)
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My preference is to leave those sort of discussions out of the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:45 PM (FDB3h)

225 My 20” inch A3 with a 1/9 loves 52 grain.
Not so much green tips and above.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:45 PM (xZEBF)

226 My proposed "conversion" leaves the trigger-well to measure the SAME as a modern, civilian, semi-auto version. The foremost two holes accommodate the semi-only trigger group, or modular unit such as a Chip McCormick "drop-in" trigger. The 3rd hole (auto-sear) is permanently sealed by a cross-pin bonded by the same heat/cold/adhesive process.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:33 PM (e6UQI)

Excellent idea. It’s 2023…things have to keep up with the times and change.

Like Waylon sang…

Lord it's the same old tune, fiddle and guitar
Where do we take it from here?
Rhinestone suits and new shiny cars
It's been the same way for years
We need to change…

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 01, 2023 09:45 PM (R/m4+)

227 ..Aren't you talking about turning a low shelf lower into a high shelf one?

Low shelf lowers are legal and available.


The M-16/M-4 trigger well's full width extends further rearward than any AR-15/civilian model.

Compare 'em side by side, the difference is instantly notable.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:46 PM (e6UQI)

228 AZ, I’m here under false pretenses.
I un-assed RI for NH some time ago.
I know Sen. Seldom Righthouse.
He is asshole.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:47 PM (xZEBF)

229 AZ, I’m here under false pretenses.
I un-assed RI for NH some time ago.
I know Sen. Seldom Righthouse.
He is asshole.
Posted by: RI Red

Thanks, I'm really glad you're not in R.I. any longer.
I'll try and remember OP Sec for you too.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 09:50 PM (JI3sB)

230 ..My preference is to leave those sort of discussions out of the thread. Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:45 PM (FDB3h)


Will do, of course.

In my own defense, my point was how CMP might Make Things Legal for us mere peons to purchase and own, and not the other way 'round.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 01, 2023 09:50 PM (e6UQI)

231 229 AZ, I’m here under false pretenses.
I un-assed RI for NH some time ago.
I know Sen. Seldom Righthouse.
He is asshole.
Posted by: RI Red

But I bet you're still regularly "voting" the straight D ticket in RI...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at October 01, 2023 09:52 PM (hOUT3)

232 231 229 AZ, I’m here under false pretenses.
I un-assed RI for NH some time ago.
I know Sen. Seldom Righthouse.
He is asshole.
Posted by: RI Red

But I bet you're still regularly "voting" the straight D ticket in RI...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at October 01, 2023 09:52 PM
Ha. That right there made my evening.

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 09:54 PM (NxC5+)

233 Good night all..
Yes, we will be talking about those that don’t show up for the mome!

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 09:55 PM (21WHr)

234 Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 09:55 PM (21WHr)
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Goodnight amigo! Soon!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:55 PM (FDB3h)

235 Probably, hrothgar. When I left, I sent a very specific letter to my town telling them I was withdrawing my registration. They probably took it as an invitation.
Of course, after 2012, I found out that someone with my last name had used my NH vacation house address as a voting registration. I called the town clerk on it in person, and her face got very red. She resigned soon after.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:56 PM (xZEBF)

236 233 Good night all..
Yes, we will be talking about those that don’t show up for the mome!
Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 09:55 PM
I want to just breathe that Corsicana air amongst free people.

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 09:56 PM (NxC5+)

237 Thanks again for the thread Weasel.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 01, 2023 09:58 PM (JI3sB)

238 Happy to do it, AZ!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2023 09:59 PM (FDB3h)

239 Eromero, I’m not sure if we’ll make it - I love that TX air.
Mrs. R. and I did VA this year with the understanding that it would be our one Moron trip this year.
I’m thinking about revisiting that agreement.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:59 PM (xZEBF)

240 She resigned soon after.
Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 09:56 PM (xZEBF)

Thanks for the "confirmation"!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at October 01, 2023 10:00 PM (hOUT3)

241 233 Good night all..
Yes, we will be talking about those that don’t show up for the mome!
Posted by: Rancherbob at October 01, 2023 09:55 PM
I want to just breathe that Corsicana air amongst free people.
Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 09:56 PM (NxC5+)

Really wish we could be there again, but, we're still in the midst of a big kitchen renovation. Hopefully next year.

The good news is our marriage has survived said kitchen renovation.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, this ranch dressing is just too spicy at October 01, 2023 10:00 PM (T/Lqj)

242 LAST!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, this ranch dressing is just too spicy at October 01, 2023 10:01 PM (T/Lqj)

243 242 LAST!
Posted by: Pug Mahon, this ranch dressing is just too spicy at October 01, 2023 10:01 PM (T/Lqj)

NOPE!

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 10:02 PM (xZEBF)

244 Heh.

Posted by: Eromero at October 01, 2023 10:02 PM (NxC5+)

245 Night, Weasel. Another nice (late) Sunday night.

Posted by: RI Red at October 01, 2023 10:08 PM (xZEBF)

246 Looking at Delta's firearms rules, I want to know what a "pistol telescope" is. Sounds like you could shoot the moon with that.

Posted by: GWB at October 01, 2023 10:32 PM (69JzL)

247 Thanks, Weasel. Hope your week is a good one.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2023 11:11 PM (V8he0)

248 We found that we got special treatment though on both ends. I think last year someone pointed out that the airlines are SUPER incentivized to not lose your guns. Like they have to close down an airport if guns get our of control. And that cost falls on the airline.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2023 08:51 PM (dWjpk)

Late to the party, but I can tell you AA lost a gun I had in transit with them. And it was Uncle Sam’s, not mine.

(Found five months later. Long story.)

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249 Hello! I know this is kind of off-topic however I needed to
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but I do write in my diary everyday. I'd like to start a blog so I can easily share my
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