Gun Thread: Edition After 5th Anniversary Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the edition after the 5th Anniversary Edition?

Programming Note: I am out of town this weekend and won't be around in the comments much. Have a good time and be cool. Regular wacky hijinks will resume next Sunday. Thanks!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Guns of the Horde
Our pal Long Time Lurker de-lurks to share their Hi-Power!

I really enjoyed your article this week on the post liberation Hi-Power. I thought your readers might enjoy seeing a bit newer version I recently acquired. Factory engraved by hand I think and manufactured in 1972. Hasn't been kept as pristine as I would have, but I could not pass it up.

Holy smokes! She's a beauty! Thanks LTL!

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Guns Not of The Horde
Our pal WTM shares something I haven't seen before, the Altor Corp 9mm.

Reportedly it can hold a decent group because of the trigger design. Pull the trigger and release to fire, but the lack of decent sights makes me doubt that claim. I can't say I can even dream up a purpose for this thing, but if you wanted a very inexpensive 9mm, this is it!! MSRP $99

Well that is kind of different, huh? Thanks WTM!

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Colt Gold Cup National Match
Here's our pal GunBlue490 at the range with a Colt Gold Cup NM.

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Round in the Chamber?
This is going to cause a shitstorm of controversy. Do you carry with a round in the chamber, or not?

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Don't be That Guy in a Gun Store
Are you "that guy" in a gun store?

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Uh-Oh
What to do if you have a negligent/accidental/unintended discharge.

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Landing the Space Shuttle
This is pretty cool.

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The Transistor
Let's take a look at the transistor!

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Texas MoMe Madness!

I'd like to remind everyone of the upcoming MoMe in Texas on October 20-21. If you're in either the northern or southern hemisphere of the planet of the earth, contact Ben Had for details. The dates and email links for MoMes are always helpfully included on the main page, left sidebar, so you really have no excuse!

There is an entire shooting program for both handguns and rifles over two days, world class food and drink, and the even world classier company of your fellow Morons! More on the Friday/Saturday schedule to come, so stay tuned.

Seriously, people. I have said this probably a hundred times now. These gatherings are a really good time, and I know of no one who regrets having attended one. No kidding. Would your ol' pal Weasel lie to you? MoMe veterans will attest to the funness. Don't be a dork, do yourself a favor and get your ass to Texas! If you're a TXMoMe veteran, please encourage the scairdy-cats to join in the fun!

TXMoMe Shooting Festivities

This seems like a good time to talk a little bit about the upcoming shooting program at the TXMoMe, or the Conservative's Burning Man, as it's popularly known. What started years ago as an informal plinking session lasting a couple of hours has matured into a full program of shooting activities over two days. I have to thank Ben Had, Cow Horse Queen and RancherBob for allowing the shooting to comprise such a significant portion of the TXMoMe.

For a while I have been conducting a Rifle Clinic on Friday morning followed by range time Friday afternoon and then again well into Saturday. We have also been steadily refining the handgun portion of the program to now include an IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Nurse R. There is also the usual static pistol range for those who prefer that style of shooting and a separate setup for gun-curious beginners desiring one-on-one supervision and instruction. Lastly and by popular demand, we're hoping to add a gun cleaning and maintenance clinic both days which will run concurrently with the live-fire programs.

Anyhoo, here's a very rough outline of the schedule of events. Times are tentative and subject to modification/change. I'll move this down to the TXMoMe section below in the coming weeks and update as necessary.

Friday, 10/20
Rifle Program
8am - 10am: Rifle Clinic (carport)
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:30am - 1pm: Rifle Clinic, Intro to Wind Estimation (rifle range)
1pm - 4pm: Live fire (rifle range - targets to 1,000 yds)

Handgun Program
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:00am - 12:30pm: Handgun Clinic (carport)
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
1pm - 3pm: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)

Saturday, 10/21
Rifle Program
9am - 10am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (rifle range)

Handgun Program
9am - 10am: Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
10am - Noon: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range)

Again, these times are approximate and may change as weather conditions and participation warrant.

You will note there are combined rifle and handgun range safety briefings both days and attendance at one is mandatory. We take your safety seriously and ask everyone who plans to shoot to please also plan on attending this important briefing. All shooters are asked to check in with an RSO (sporting an Orange Cap of Dorkiness for easy identification) upon your arrival at either of the ranges who will answer questions and direct you to an open firing position. The RSOs wield unspeakable power so it is in your best interest to be nice to them.

If you are a novice shooter, or even have never been to the range before and think guns are icky, you are welcome to shoot! Just see an RSO and they will set you up with an experienced shooter to help you. If you miss the mandatory range safety briefing which is mandatory and must be attended, all is not lost. See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame. In the interests of time, please make it to the scheduled range briefings. Thanks.

Finally, please plan on stopping somewhere along your way to Texas and picking up some ammunition if you plan to shoot and aren't bringing your own weapons. Everyone is very generous with sharing, but please don't rely on the generosity of others to provide everything for you. You can really help out by grabbing a box of 9mm or 5.56mm or whatever you want to shoot. I will bring one of my practice rifles and if you would like to engage our new 1,000 yd target, pick up a box of 175gr. Federal Gold Medal Match in .308 Winchester ammunition.

Call for Volunteers
Help! As I mentioned above, the shooting program in Texas continues to grow, and we wouldn't be able to do it without a lot of help. If you're interested in lending a hand in some capacity, please drop me a note at gunthread at protonmail dot com indicating your date and time of arrival, and we'll be in touch. Thank You!

RSOs from prior years: Expect an email from me soon.

If you are attending the TXMoMe this year, and all the cool kids are, please keep an eye on this section for important information and updates in the coming weeks! I also want to reiterate the TXMoMe is not a gun thing with some socializing attached, but rather is a social thing with some shooting attached. If you aren't a shooter, I guarantee you will not feel out of place and will have a great time. No fooling!

Are all y'all getting excited? Weasel are!!

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Musical Interlude
Here is an unnamed middle school band with part of a Weezer cover.

Whoops! Whoopsie-Doodle! That's going to not impress the ladies.

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Gun Basics 101
Good News/Bad News
Good News: New video from the She Equips Herself gal on self-defense shooting resources!
Bad News: It's mostly Mr. She Equips Herself.

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Cigar of the Week

This week our pal Diogenes weighs in with this excellent review of the Montecristo Pilotico Why is it so hard to find? Because it's apparently been discontinued. Anyhoo, they're still floating around out there so let's see what Diogenes thinks about it!

I have written before of my Love-Hate relationship with Montecristo cigars. This last Tuesday, whilst skinning the old geezers for $12 on the golf course, I pulled out a Montecristo Pilotico. It was a large ring, 5 1/2-inch stick with a strong start that maintained for the length of the cigar. Not overwhelming but not a cigar I'd recommend for the beginner. Good even burn, nice texture, and a strong cigar aroma with a taste of cinnamon and spice. So, I go to look it up and grab a picture for this review and - nada. Zip. Nothing. Even after looking at the Montecristo site and several of the major suppliers.
Huh!?
So this was either a one-off that got stuck in the sample kit Mrs. D bought me; or, a knock off by some other more nefarious supplier. Either way, I won't be smoking one of these again, and apparently, neither will anyone else. Sometimes this happens.
Mores the pity.

Excellent, Diogenes! Appreciate it!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Hrothgar. Excellent point!

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Nice

Posted by: Skip at September 24, 2023 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

2 First!!

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

3 pow

Posted by: Ciampino - Sammiches for the win at September 24, 2023 07:00 PM (qfLjt)

4 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:00 PM (aQy7p)

5 BANG!! Greetings from.............home :-(

Off to content

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:01 PM (fe7in)

6 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 07:02 PM (yRXSd)

7 Get that Hi-Power plated silver and gold, stat!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 07:03 PM (ga8qR)

8 Hello Horde....just back from the food thread where I learned the TxMoMe will feature some fantastic cuisine - paella on Friday and shrimp boil on Saturday. This sounds like a perfect weekend!

Posted by: Grateful at September 24, 2023 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq)

9 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.

I am in Central Florida where today it was 89 degrees.

Just off of visiting blaster acres to site a shipping container. To store tools. And stuff.

Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2023 07:05 PM (g7iAt)

10 That HiPower needs Mexican flag grips with a Golden Eagle on it.

Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2023 07:06 PM (g7iAt)

11 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 24, 2023 07:06 PM (T4tVD)

12 Nuts. Second. Rookie performance.

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 07:07 PM (IQ6Gq)

13 Hey, top 20!

Posted by: Coelacanth at September 24, 2023 07:08 PM (ZZPor)

14 The Conservative Burning Man, but without hippie fire hoopers in holographic onesies riding art bikes.

Except for Garrett that one time.

But thinking on it, doesn't the TexMoMee need a bonfire? Sure, it might be dicey what with the drought conditions and high winds....

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 24, 2023 07:09 PM (F+XAG)

15 Yay! Guns!

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 07:11 PM (M+Nrs)

16 Thanks Long Time Lurker for the pretty pix of your BHP. Those are still excellent firearms today as seen by their reintroduction.

WTM, well, your gun pix ain't so pretty but the first rule of gunfights require a pistol so I guess it passes that low bar. Interesting though how many one shot pistols have been invented over the years.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:12 PM (P/Z4V)

17 Thanks, Weasel!

I carry a 1911 cocked and locked.

Accept no substitutes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:12 PM (2YtOq)

18 That Altor single shot is definitely a unique self-defense handgun. Looks like a modern day take on the Liberator. Self-defense in the sense that popping an occupier in the neck to take their weapon is sef-defense...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 07:12 PM (ga8qR)

19 Evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks as always to our host Weasel.

Little bit of a bummer - the work trip that I was planning to extend to a TxMoMe sojourn was canceled. Barring an amazing airfare deal that has yet to manifest itself to me, Corsicana will likely be Schnorfle-free in '23.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 24, 2023 07:13 PM (v23vE)

20 Get that Hi-Power plated silver and gold, stat!
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 07:03 PM

This guy gets it!

Posted by: Yukon Cornelius at September 24, 2023 07:13 PM (aQy7p)

21 Just off of visiting blaster acres to site a shipping container. To store tools. And stuff.
Posted by: blaster
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Stay safe from the gators.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:13 PM (P/Z4V)

22 I was down at the farm most of last week, so I got to shoot for at least an hour and a half on four consecutive days. Kinda wish I hadn't, because I stank on ice. I could not stop jerking the trigger - .22, 9 mil, .45 - it made no difference. I knew I was doing it but could not seem to correct myself. I finally cured it somewhat on the fourth and last session. Oh, well. A bad day at the range is still better than a good day at work.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 24, 2023 07:14 PM (PWe8a)

23 I carry a 1911 cocked and locked.

Accept no substitutes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:12 PM

*1911 fistbump*

Posted by: Yukon Cornelius at September 24, 2023 07:14 PM (aQy7p)

24 I've seen that Altor advertised a few times over the years. It's definitely a niche weapon. It seems to be designed for California and marketed to the person who thinks they might be attacked by a small, slow horde of one-shot kill baddies.

It's basically a safe version of a zip gun.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 07:15 PM (M+Nrs)

25 Carp. Off, Rankin Bass sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:15 PM (aQy7p)

26 Sadly, FN USA doesn't offer that kind of custom work on the guns it sells. But I don't think it ever did. I don't think you can get that kind of engraving done at the Liege factory anymore.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 07:15 PM (yRXSd)

27 I don't think the Alto gun is suited for self defense. It reminds me of a gun an assassin would use, like the old Liberator .45acp stamped out guns that were given to the French underground during WWII. It was so you could sneak up on a sentry and take his rifle.
Now you have rifle.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 07:15 PM (MeG8a)

28 Pupper should be carrying a Charter Arms .44 Spl. "Bulldog".

Oh, and I'm looking to chase down parts for a build.

Think the loveliest COMMERCIAL '98 Mauser, with polish and bluing as deep as Lake Tahoe. This ain't no mil-surp war-horse.

I'm looking for a STEEL trigger guard/magazine assembly, in the Parker Hale/Interarms MkX pattern, with the floorplate release inside the trigger bow, and not the right side "button" of the later versions (Charles Daly/Remington 79

Same for a bolt-stop/ejector assembly.

And I'll pay good money for 'em, too. This ain't a "beg!"

The Black Walnut Stock (1960s FN Mauser, nearly MINT), is due to arrive here, tomorrow.

Once I've got all the parts to make a rifle, I'll start sending Weasel photo-updates throughout the build. I'll do some work, and top-flight gunsmiths will do their thing, too. Oughta be fun, and hope it turns out as expected!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2023 07:15 PM (e6UQI)

29 Range report: I decided the stainless Randall I ran across at a local pawn shop needed a home. This last Thursday, I wandered in, paid the tab, wandered out with a fine specimen of the short lived Randal Firearms Company.

I'll send in pics and a range report. Suffice to say, initial tear down indicated the previous owner had ignored one thing which the Randall needed: lubrication. That said, the complete tear down showed no excess wear, etc. In fact, it doesn't appear the gun has been shot all that much. So far, so good.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:17 PM (2YtOq)

30 19 Corsicana will likely be Schnorfle-free in '23.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 24, 2023 07:13 PM

Sorry to hear Schnor. Keep looking at the airline prices, always a chance there will be a deal. I sure got one just before I jetted to Europe the other week. Got a great price to fly business class home from Frankfurt.

Fingers will be crossed.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:17 PM (fe7in)

31 I am totally being dissed here. First I sent that meme that got a Hrothgar hat tip to our local MGC group text (text I said get your minds out of the gutter) and also I coined the term conservative Burning Man for the TxMoMe.

What am I chopped liver?

Also the restaurant I am at has but one get one margaritas not sure what that has to do with anything.

Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM (g7iAt)

32 Bud's Gun Shop carries the Altor. I'd keep one in my tackle box, but I'd prefer a .38 Special.

Posted by: WTM at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM (MJ9C3)

33 I'm incredibly grateful to have never had a neg discharge in all my years.

I keep a healthy fear of firearms as part of my routine. I love 'em. I shoot em. But I know they can kill me or someone I love if I ever fuck up.

So never fuck up. That's my motto.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM (XtkZj)

34 Scoob!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM (aQy7p)

35 I really would love to see someone try that someplace like NJ. Transfer their handgun to Prince Pickle Face. And have said pooch carry the weapon.

Of course, that's where universal background checks would stymie you - unless your dog has a SSN....

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM (M+Nrs)

36 Even if you're not here, thanks for the GT Weasel!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 24, 2023 07:19 PM (LpiUz)

37 Grateful and I saw a shuttle landing at Edwards in 2009 (STS-12

. Lats minute call - it was supposed to go to Florida but weather intervened and diverted. We saw the switch and dropped everything to drive out to the Mojave desert. It appeared with two sonic booms. It fell out of the sky rather than gliding gracefully. Steep descent. Glad we got to see it in person.

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 07:19 PM (IQ6Gq)

38 34 Scoob!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM

RMBS!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:19 PM (fe7in)

39 Tupperware 9mm, chamber unloaded. The reason being on my walk to the office at 2-3AM practically every house has some kind of Ring or Wyze camera; there is nobody out there (except sketchy types) and it's pretty simple to be situationally aware and spot 'issues' from a time/space distance.
On camera footage my opinion is that the optics of not having a round in the chamber indicates not being 'trigger happy': it takes a deliberate, visible act of preparing to meet an obvious threat. It's also my firm opinion that if something looks bad at that hour it almost assuredly is, and I am a fool to have that gun anywhere but out and in my hand.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:19 PM (/BBNv)

40 And, Long Time Lurker, that is a gorgeous gun.

Also, I'm unsure what Patton's opinion would be of mother of pearl grips, as opposed to pearl handles.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 07:19 PM (M+Nrs)

41 wtm, thanks for sharing the Alto. Yeah, definitely a niche gun, but, still cool to look at stuff like that.

The factory engraved Hi Power is quite something to look at. Wow.

Thanks, Long Time Lurker.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:20 PM (2YtOq)

42 Yep, I’m late.
But Weasel ain’t here to write me up!

Hello, fellow gubbers!

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:20 PM (xZEBF)

43 31 What am I chopped liver?
Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2023 07:18 PM

Hmm, after being in France for a few days last week I could go for some foie gras. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:21 PM (fe7in)

44 I carry a 1911 cocked and locked.

Accept no substitutes.
Posted by: blake
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Don't shoot one enough to maintain proficiency. Matter of fact, due to peripheral neuropathy affecting fingers and touch sensation, moving actually back to DAO firearms--to wit, Smith Third Generation 9mms.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:21 PM (P/Z4V)

45 Sadly, it's looking like I'm not going to make it to the MoMe either. We're looking at moving to be near to kids and grandkids and sooner rather than later. If my wife is not out of state looking for a house that weekend, I may try to drive up just for the day on Saturday but as of now, I'm not counting on it.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 07:22 PM (nfrXX)

46 Yep, I’m late.
But Weasel ain’t here to write me up!

Hello, fellow gubbers!
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:20 PM

"I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:22 PM (aQy7p)

47 Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:20 PM (xZEBF)
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Weasel sees all.

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 07:22 PM (fA38o)

48 RI Red!!! How are ya?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:22 PM (fe7in)

49 Evening all.

I'm working on, well the roof and getting my cannon project set up in the lathe I found a couple of years ago. I work pretty slow.
This one is going to be a Napoleon. 3/4 inch bore. 12" tube length. So when finished it will be about 27 inchs long with 10 inch wheels.
Need some carbide inserts before I start cutting though.
Been planning this for years. Sort of a dry run on another I want to do. The Fremont Cannon in about 1/4 scale. A Mountain Howitzer still lost to history, along with about 400 others that disappeared while taming the west.

Posted by: Reforger at September 24, 2023 07:23 PM (GElxU)

50 Yep, I’m late.
But Weasel ain’t here to write me up!

Hello, fellow gubbers!
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:20 PM (xZEBF)
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Ooh, so sorry, but he asked me to take notes. Your permanent record is toast.

Posted by: bluebell at September 24, 2023 07:23 PM (pTb/Z)

51 Ooh, so sorry, but he asked me to take notes. Your permanent record is toast.
Posted by: bluebell at September 24, 2023 07:23 PM (pTb/Z)

I didn't know Weasel had minions.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:24 PM (XtkZj)

52 Hmm, after being in France for a few days last week I could go for some foie gras. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:21 PM

Mmm. With the duck I just got, I now have enough livers for a duck liver and apple mousse I've been meaning to make. Probably for Christmas.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:24 PM (aQy7p)

53 47 Weasel sees all.

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 07:22 PM

Oops, RI Red got busted. Will now have to write out "Weasel is Everywhere" a thousand times on the chalk board.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:25 PM (fe7in)

54 Don't shoot one enough to maintain proficiency. Matter of fact, due to peripheral neuropathy affecting fingers and touch sensation, moving actually back to DAO firearms--to wit, Smith Third Generation 9mms.
Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:21 PM (P/Z4V)
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Completely understandable. I like to tweak the Glock guys though, just because.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:25 PM (2YtOq)

55 BTW, all my self defense guns have one in the pipe. Back in the day when I used revolvers for home protection, it is downright dumb to leave a chamber empty on a six shot double action revolver. Don't have single action revolvers around for a reason, you build muscle memory wrong for shooting double action all the time.

That is one of the reasons I went back to third generation Smiths in DAO just recently. The triggers are almost identical in weight and feel to that of a tuned double action revolver plus having a hammer helps in reholstering.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:25 PM (P/Z4V)

56 I didn't know Weasel had minions.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:24 PM (XtkZj)
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Oh yes. In fact, I'll be reporting to him in person tomorrow.

Posted by: bluebell at September 24, 2023 07:26 PM (pTb/Z)

57 Y'know who used a gun to kill Hitler?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff, In Solidarity with The Struggle to maintain Moron standards a at September 24, 2023 07:26 PM (T/m3p)

58 Actual scenario, this is one of them: Male figure walking towards me on the sidewalk at 2AM. I sensibly cross the street to the opposite sidewalk. Man crosses as well to meet me. What kind of idiot does that? I visibly remove gun from holster and hold it down along my leg.

Man crosses back over and continues on his way. I re-holster gun and go to the office and get some work done. Round not chambered. If he had continued toward me a second time I would have crossed again and chambered a round. Unholstering was the sensible thing to do, and nothing happened.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM (/BBNv)

59 Hey! If you need an 80 round magazine you shouldn't have a gun. No kidding. The deer are not wearing Kevlar. You can take them out with a shotgun. No kidding. I own a shotgun. My sons do too. My word as a Biteum.

Posted by: Joe Biteum at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM (vFG9F)

60 While we have been at the NoVaMoMe several times, this will be ou first time at the TexaxMoMe.

By special request of another Moron, Mrs VIA will be bringing her Stag Model-3 AR-15 lower married to a CMMG dedicated .22 Upper with matching Stag Model-3 hand guard. IOW, from more than 2 inches away, you can't tell the difference between the 5.56 and the .22.

We have multiple 30 and 20 round .22 mags, and Mrs VIA truly believes that sharing is caring.

So, how much .22 ammo should we bring?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM (1n+EO)

61 closest I've come to a NG was hitting the trigger on a rifle which was in my safe. Evidently, I'd cycled the bolt to make sure it was empty and forgot to pull the trigger after. The "click" of the trigger just about had me hollering, "Weezy, I'm comin for ya!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM (2YtOq)

62 As to Lurker's Hi-Power.

Does anyone know if there are any LEGAL forms of "Ivory" available for import? Walrus? Elephant Seal?

On Elephant Ivory, the outer part of the material is known as "Bark Ivory", and it's every bit as varied as any variety of trees you might imagine. Different patterns and colors in an infinite array.

Leave the "core" (white) Ivory to the pianos. Bark Ivory is where it's at for Knife handles and especially the blank slabs from which to fashion grips for that lovely Hi-Power.

But, it's gonna have to be LEGAL ivory. Which rules out Anthony Robbins' teeth, even though they appear big enough.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM (e6UQI)

63 RMBS, my permanent record is so long it has its own permanent record.
How’s things? I survived the storm of the century during my vacation. But no fishing. Boo hoo.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM (xZEBF)

64 Completely understandable. I like to tweak the Glock guys though, just because.
Posted by: blake

I like SAO 1911's, BHPs, and CZ 75 triggers but simply don't practice enough anymore to carry them. Back in the day though because a lousy drug dealing neighbor had a pit bull that insisted on attacking myself and my dog, I carried an XD-45 with the relatively rare frame safety on it. It was exactly in the same place as my BHP but I had 14 rounds of 45 ACP goodness on tap.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM (P/Z4V)

65 Good Evening fellow enthusiasts!

I have been very lucky in that I have always had experienced experts in the immediate vicinity when at the firing line. Last weekend I got called out by our Sensei Weasel because I couldn't lock back the slide on my G48. He suggested maybe I should stick with revolvers if I couldn;t handle the essential functions of my firearm. He also suggested I try a lighter spring to make it eaier to work the slide.
I really like my G48 so with Blaster's help located a spring and rod assembly for hte reasonable price of $36 and ordered and received n 3 days.
Then for the first time, sat down with me and my gun and no one looking over my shoulder.
cont...

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM (t/2Uw)

66 If I were to conceal carry or even if I keep my handgun loaded at home, I think I would have one in the pipe. But I would like to have a DA/SA like my Sig. And I would use the de-cocker so the first pull is a DA.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:29 PM (fe7in)

67 So, how much .22 ammo should we bring?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM (1n+EO)
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It depends. Are you bringing a change of clothing? If not, then fill the suit case. If you are bringing a change of clothing, remember to pack wisely, because you're wasting valuable ammunition space with clothing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:29 PM (2YtOq)

68 The Hi-Power is nice but those grips are a hard nope for me.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:30 PM (/BBNv)

69 51 I didn't know Weasel had minions.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:24 PM

Yes, and in bluebells case, Weasel gives her a shiv as a bonus for catching people like RI Red.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:30 PM (fe7in)

70 So, how much .22 ammo should we bring?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM

All.

Seriously, though, I'm bringing a brick for the RMBS Mom to shoot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:30 PM (aQy7p)

71 I am so totally busted.

Scoobs, you bring back any French damsels?
Or at least some Belgian Chocolate?

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:32 PM (xZEBF)

72 68 The Hi-Power is nice but those grips are a hard nope for me.
Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:30 PM (/BBNv

Do they clash with your shoes?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:32 PM (XtkZj)

73 Sounds like the moral of the video is carrying a weapon with round in the chamber depends mostly what the weapon is.

Posted by: Skip at September 24, 2023 07:32 PM (fwDg9)

74 Hey blaster
You didn't bury that container I hope.
Besides high water table, they won't stand up to being usefully buried.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, McFailure wing of the Uniparty at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (KCc/j)

75 "It depends. Are you bringing a change of clothing? If not, then fill the suit case."

Well, we are coming from South Carolina in the Miata, but I think we can fit most of the clothes in a duffle bag. So there is a fair amount of room for other stuff.

Last I checked, I have about 5K rounds up in the bedroom. So I can bring a fair amount for sharing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (1n+EO)

76 This is going to cause a shitstorm of controversy. Do you carry with a round in the chamber, or not?

I'm not understanding why someone who was carrying wouldn't. Guess that's just me.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (V8he0)

77 Do they clash with your shoes?
Posted by: AlaBAMA'

Why Yes, they simply do not go with my WalMart sneakers!

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (/BBNv)

78 After struggling to take the darn thing apart, I finally got some technical assistance from Blaster who informed me that yu have to pull the trigger to take a Glock apart. I was then able to complete the install of the new parts(haha. a Glock only has 3 parts) required a video on youtube to get it back together but Voila, loced the slide back. So, it only took an hour(should have taken a couple of minutes) and my thumbs were sore but I did it.
Not sure I want to take on the Kimber without someone looking over my shoulder but this was a confidence builder. I think. Maybe.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (t/2Uw)

79 I'm not sure I'd call Bluebell a minion, but you do you....

Posted by: Grateful at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

80 RMBS, my permanent record is so long it has its own permanent record.
How’s things? I survived the storm of the century during my vacation. But no fishing. Boo hoo.
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM

Comes with being over 29, doesn't it?

All well down here. Ready for the TXMoMe, my padawan will be.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (aQy7p)

81 Pie for supper. Again.

Posted by: Eromero at September 24, 2023 07:34 PM (NxC5+)

82 Last I checked, I have about 5K rounds up in the bedroom. So I can bring a fair amount for sharing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM

That's it?!

The Horde is disappoint.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:35 PM (aQy7p)

83 Congrats, Sharon!

Next thing you know, you'll have a full Chapman set of gunsmithing screwdrivers, and all manner of other things you don't need for working on a Glock!

*evil grin*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2023 07:35 PM (e6UQI)

84 Does anyone know if there are any LEGAL forms of "Ivory" available for import? Walrus? Elephant Seal?

I believe walrus ivory is legal if harvested, crafted into some kind of object, and sold by an Alaskan native American (or First People or whatever they're called this month). Mammoth ivory should be legal in all forms at least for now.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 07:36 PM (nfrXX)

85 I'm not understanding why someone who was carrying wouldn't. Guess that's just me.
Posted by: Notorious BFD'

For me, personal decision from a near surety of being on footage from house cams. I think it just 'looks better' after-the-fact. On-camera practicing avoidance, making physical effort to remove from an encounter, round NOT chambered until something is obvious, etc. It's not about readiness it is, for me, purely optics.
Optics. That's all. Personal decision. Not going to tell anyone else what to do or how to do it.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM (/BBNv)

86 53 Oops, RI Red got busted. Will now have to write out "Weasel is Everywhere" a thousand times on the chalk board.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:25 PM
****
Hahahahah!!!!

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)

87 "That's it?!

The Horde is disappoint."

Notice that I said 'bedroom'

About another 10k downstairs.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM (1n+EO)

88 71 Scoobs, you bring back any French damsels?
Or at least some Belgian Chocolate?

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:32 PM

Sadly no in both cases. Left the damsels heart broken (or relieved depending on who you ask) and avoided the chocolates for some reason. Maybe next time, though I am debating whether to visit England or Italy.

Was planning on hitting the range this week but return flight was cancelled and I did not get back until late Tuesday. Been recovering from the trip and the jet lag since.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM (fe7in)

89 A Glock has only 3 parts?
Like that Altor gun?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM (MeG8a)

90 I carry a striker fire chambered but it has an external safety.

Oddly enough, that was a hard combo to find. Everyone wants the Glock like modern guns which means the trigger safety which I cannot stand.

SW made the M&P 2.0 with an external safety option, which I'll never get rid of because I'm worried they will eventually go the way of the dino

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM (XtkZj)

91 And yes, a round chambered, what if you need to fire right out of the holster?

Posted by: Eromero at September 24, 2023 07:38 PM (NxC5+)

92 Eromero how you doing?
And pie for supper isn't terrible.

Posted by: Skip at September 24, 2023 07:38 PM (fwDg9)

93 On the one-in-the-chamber video, Ayoob's point about shaky hands is spot-on. If you shake when you rack the slide, it is very easy to get a half-closed-half-loaded-totally-f'ed-up condition.

Also, somewhere somewhat recently, his info on one-handed shooting by cops was laid out. (I found it in relation to that robber who was caught because all his cop buddies recognized his weird stance.) LOTS of one-handed incidents and off-hand incidents. (Also, lots of indicators for why you should learn the "combat retention position" and be able to shoot from there.)

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 07:38 PM (M+Nrs)

94 sharon, see here for animated take down of a 1911:

https://tinyurl.com/3xk75k5x or here:

https://tinyurl.com/2t6s8cd5

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:38 PM (2YtOq)

95 22
A bad day at the range is still better than a good day at work.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 24, 2023 07:14 PM (PWe8a)
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Even a so-so pizza would have made it a better day.

Posted by: Ciampino - water flows downhill except for democraps at September 24, 2023 07:39 PM (qfLjt)

96 I don't want to have to load when I need to shoot. I also don't like to carry without a safety on a semi auto. That one step is enough.

I might could get used to carrying a 1911 locked and loaded, but not concealed. Things would have to get a lot worse around here for that.

Posted by: fd at September 24, 2023 07:39 PM (vFG9F)

97 Sharon - care to regale the others with details of your WA pine straw ride?

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 07:39 PM (fA38o)

98 Oh, and, Sharon, most likely, the Kimber will require a bushing wrench. (I don't remember if Kimber ships their firearms with that particular tool)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:39 PM (2YtOq)

99 Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2023 07:28 PM (e6UQI)

As I understand it, if a critter is an endangered species, the answer is no. So that limits you to the bone of non-endangered species (EX: giraffe bone) or extinct animals (mammoth ivory). That said, it's probably far easier to get what you're looking for from a domestic source rather than fight the combined bureaucracies of the State Department, EPA, and the Customs Service.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 07:40 PM (yRXSd)

100 CA law regarding 10 round limit was struck down by a judge as unconstitutional, last week.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 07:40 PM (MeG8a)

101 Notice that I said 'bedroom'

About another 10k downstairs.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:37 PM

This is reassuring.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 07:40 PM (aQy7p)

102 That Altor gun reminds me of the small single-shot gun-disguised-as-an-umbrella-handle type things.

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 07:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

103 That Altor looks like some old ladies glue gun for arts and crafts.

Buy now as in a few years it most likely will be a “forgotten” weapon.

Calico Arms M-100 comes to mind.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 07:42 PM (R/m4+)

104 Funny how all these losses in court the gun grabbers keep experiencing doesn't stop them from continuing to grab at the guns year after year.

Almost like they're paid to grab, damn the outcome.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:43 PM (XtkZj)

105 Calico Arms M-100 comes to mind.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 07:42 PM (R/m4+)
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Ian had fun with the Calico. I think he said he ran 200 rounds through it before it started having problems.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:43 PM (2YtOq)

106 Not going to tell anyone else what to do or how to do it.

Agreed that it's a personal choice. Didn't mean to sound judgmental. Just pointing out that a few extra seconds is often the difference between survivability and the unfortunate alternative.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 07:43 PM (V8he0)

107 Actual experience: Practice here is for miscreants to clock people in cars, boil out, rob, then flee in the car. At 2AM car passes me; comes back, passes again; the third time I stand behind a large tree, unholster gun, chamber a round where they can see me do it.

Car speeds away. Reholster gun, go to office, get work done. Now, this was an innocuous event, nothing happened. The only variable with not having a round in the chamber is if for whatever reason (mistaken identity is a very real possibility) they might have started firing from the car with no intent to exit and rob. Which is why I do the 9mm with FMJ and try to have a large tree with me at all times. This 'encounter' was 99% likely on someone's house cam.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:44 PM (/BBNv)

108 On camera footage my opinion is that the optics of not having a round in the chamber indicates not being 'trigger happy': it takes a deliberate, visible act of preparing to meet an obvious threat.

Evidence of premeditation. We were considering manslaughter but now it's first degree murder charges for you.

Posted by: Never underestimate the creativity of an anti-2A prosecutor at September 24, 2023 07:44 PM (lR6tR)

109 Since I am longer vacationing in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Massachusetts, I have …
A Range Report!
Yes, it was kill a Commie Aspirin (

or Marxist Tums (5) Day. Only hit 6/10 steel at 150.
But placed a respectable third with a late comeback of ten for ten at 200!
Life is good.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 07:45 PM (xZEBF)

110 So, how much .22 ammo should we bring?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM
All of it.

Posted by: Eromero at September 24, 2023 07:45 PM (NxC5+)

111 Nice going, RI Red!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:46 PM (2YtOq)

112 67 So, how much .22 ammo should we bring?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM (1n+EO)
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It depends. Are you bringing a change of clothing? If not, then fill the suit case. If you are bringing a change of clothing, remember to pack wisely, because you're wasting valuable ammunition space with clothing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:29 PM (2YtOq)
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Do like a homeless person, wear ALL your clothes at once then all the suitcase room is for ammo.

Posted by: Ciampino - water flows downhill except for democraps! at September 24, 2023 07:46 PM (qfLjt)

113 104 Funny how all these losses in court the gun grabbers keep experiencing doesn't stop them from continuing to grab at the guns year after year.

Almost like they're paid to grab, damn the outcome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:43 PM (XtkZj)

*cough*
*shuffles feet*

Posted by: Soros' Open Society Foundation at September 24, 2023 07:46 PM (lR6tR)

114 110 So, how much .22 ammo should we bring?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 24, 2023 07:27 PM

All of it.
Posted by: Eromero at September 24, 2023 07:45 PM (NxC5

All the bricks. Wait, I think you may have misheard me. When I said all the bricks, you may think you heard bring me a lot of bricks. No sir, I said all the bricks. Bring me all the bricks of .22 ammo you have.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:47 PM (XtkZj)

115 Posted by: Never underestimate the creativity of an anti-2A prosecutor

"Everybody takes a beating some time."

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 07:48 PM (nfrXX)

116 Evidence of premeditation. We were considering manslaughter but now it's first degree murder charges for you.
Posted by: Never underestimate the creativity of an anti-2A prosecutor'

Again, personal choice: "Judge, he had a round in the chamber! He was clearly out to kill someone!"

I have thought this through, and so far, it's just my choice. So far, any of the 'encounters' I've been in were so obvious a deliberate choice by the *other party* in my imperfect opinion it's the least-worst choice.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:49 PM (/BBNv)

117 So, I'm planning to shoot my first 1,000 yard match next month. (I'm assuming lots of failure as I'm sure the wind calls are going to be very difficult for me)

Question for any of you distance shooters out there: Which is best, hold over or moving the turret? Or, are is this mostly, "whatever gets the job done" territory?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:50 PM (2YtOq)

118 See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame.

I've heard that, in this instance, you have to parade around in Maggie's Drawers. If this is true, I've very interested in attending!

Posted by: Sam B., who had a lot to unpack at September 24, 2023 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)

119 During my time in Baghdad, I always carried a round in the chamber on both my M4 and M9 when outside the wire in the "red" zone. You wouldn't have time to chamber a round if the bad guys decided to take you on in the streets or inside a building. Inside the wire, I never carried a round in the chamber on anything. Too many "cowboys" among the REMFs had negligent discharges at the clearing barrels. Plus, having a negligent discharge merited at least a letter of reprimand from a field grade officer or field grade Article 15, if not a general officer letter of reprimand. The chain of command in CENTCOM took negligent discharges VERY seriously.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 07:51 PM (yRXSd)

120 107
and try to have a large tree with me at all times.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:44 PM (/BBNv)
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That would be a large pocket tree, right?
OK that was really funny. It's something I'd expect from The Goonshow (BBC 1950s-60s).

Posted by: Ciampino - water flows downhill except for democraps!.. at September 24, 2023 07:52 PM (qfLjt)

121 So. The Montecristo Pilotico is it so hard to find because it's been discontinued.
Huh.
I had not considered that. Nice catch Weasel. This is why you are the best.
Pity still. Not a bad smoke.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 07:53 PM (uSHSS)

122 Good for you, Sharon!

You absolutely are doing the right thing. I can show you a technique I use to rack the slide on one of my 1911s that is particularly stiff. Being able to clear a jam requires you to be able to rack the slide, sometimes a couple times.

Good for you!

Posted by: nurse ratched, Sea Otter Awareness Week is Sept 24-30! at September 24, 2023 07:53 PM (hK9T6)

123 117 So, I'm planning to shoot my first 1,000 yard match next month. (I'm assuming lots of failure as I'm sure the wind calls are going to be very difficult for me)

Question for any of you distance shooters out there: Which is best, hold over or moving the turret? Or, are is this mostly, "whatever gets the job done" territory?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:50 PM (2YtOq)

I hold over. It's just how I learned.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:53 PM (XtkZj)

124 Question for any of you distance shooters out there: Which is best, hold over or moving the turret? Or, are is this mostly, "whatever gets the job done" territory?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:50 PM (2YtOq)
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Dial for consistent wind speeds and vectors and hold for variable conditions. It's easy to dial on wind correction and forget it's there.

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 07:53 PM (fA38o)

125 Weasel, I thought you weren't here!

As for hay rides at Weasel Acres, ask for hay instread of firearm cases and ammunition boxes and coolers. Or bring your own cushions.
However, it is an experience I wouldn't trade for anything.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)

126 Disciplinary Range of Shame

Over 100 comments and not *one* of you has volunteered for nurse ratched's Disciplinary Range of Shame?

Who are you people?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM (llON8)

127 51 Ooh, so sorry, but he asked me to take notes. Your permanent record is toast.
Posted by: bluebell at September 24, 2023 07:23 PM (pTb/Z)

I didn't know Weasel had minions.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:24 PM (XtkZj)

Yes. Also henchmen, henchwomen, toadies, flunkies, lackeys, sycophants, stooges, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, and Methodists.

Posted by: And a few flying monkeys for good measure at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM (lR6tR)

128 Dial for consistent wind speeds and vectors and hold for variable conditions. It's easy to dial on wind correction and forget it's there.
Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 07:53 PM (fA38o)
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Wind is almost always variable here. Groovy.

Thank you, Weasel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM (2YtOq)

129 Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 07:53 PM

Does this mean a 2000 hrs CC sitrep is within the realm of possibility this week?

Posted by: Duncanthrax, asking the questions the MSM doesn't ask at September 24, 2023 07:56 PM (a3Q+t)

130 >>> 79 I'm not sure I'd call Bluebell a minion, but you do you....
Posted by: Grateful at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

I wouldn't even call bluebell the *hen* a minion, let alone bluebell the *commenter*.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 24, 2023 07:57 PM (llON8)

131 Again, for me, the 'encounters' I've had (2-3 a year, usually) are 99.9% on at least one house cam and likely several. So my opinion, solely in my specific circumstances, footage will show me making every effort on foot to avoid any conflict, retreat, crossing the street, changing my route, even backtracking, etc. And the gun only comes out when it gets too close and at that point, again, 99.9% on-camera, the round goes in with the gun held pointed at the ground.

I've not yet had the 'BUT WHAT IF-' split-second thing. It has not happened. It could, yes. But so far no. And, important point, it's normally at 2-3AM! Who is out there and what are they doing? I'm on-camera over a period of years walking to my office: what are THEY doing out there, but looking for someone to rob?

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:57 PM (/BBNv)

132 127 51 Ooh, so sorry, but he asked me to take notes. Your permanent record is toast.
Posted by: bluebell at September 24, 2023 07:23 PM (pTb/Z)

I didn't know Weasel had minions.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:24 PM (XtkZj)

Yes. Also henchmen, henchwomen, toadies, flunkies, lackeys, sycophants, stooges, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, and Methodists.

Posted by: And a few flying monkeys for good measure at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM (lR6tR)
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Somebody forgot the all important sammich makers.

Posted by: Ciampino - hobnobbing at September 24, 2023 07:58 PM (qfLjt)

133 Disciplinary Range of Shame

Over 100 comments and not *one* of you has volunteered for nurse ratched's Disciplinary Range of Shame?

Who are you people?!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM

And those who are late do not get fruit cup.

Posted by: Nurse Diesel at September 24, 2023 07:58 PM (aQy7p)

134 Never met a consistent condition before. Sounds pleasant.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 07:58 PM (XtkZj)

135 Nurse, it is not racking the slide that's a problem, it is holding it to lock it. my hands are so small, it is hard to reach the locking button and hold the slide in place. The G48 has the smallest grip so now have to see if I can do it on G44 which has a lsightly larger one. The 1911 is easier because it has a sight which gives me more leverage when racking it. I just haven't has the nerve to take it apart yet.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:58 PM (t/2Uw)

136 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (t/2Uw)

Sharon, I've seen gun mats at the Chantilly show that had exploded views of various firearms with all their parts showing on how they all got put together. 1911s were among them. Perhaps that might help you figure out what part goes where and not misplace anything.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 07:59 PM (yRXSd)

137 126 Disciplinary Range of Shame

Over 100 comments and not *one* of you has volunteered for nurse ratched's Disciplinary Range of Shame?

Who are you people?!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Right?!?!

Posted by: nurse ratched, Sea Otter Awareness Week is Sept 24-30! at September 24, 2023 07:59 PM (hK9T6)

138 Over 100 comments and not *one* of you has volunteered for nurse ratched's Disciplinary Range of Shame?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM

One of Duncanthrax's Life Rules is don't irritate or annoy she who controls hypodermic needle and/or Foley catheter sizing.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 07:59 PM (a3Q+t)

139 As to the creative DA "round in the chamber" premeditation question, it doesn't work that way. Where or not one will be charged is pretty much at the discretion of the DA.

That said, if one has a CCW, one thing which will get one in trouble, I believe, is inconsistent carrying of personal defense weapon. "Oh, you just happened to be carrying? Why, where you looking for trouble?"

Whereas, consistent carry is going to be less of red flag. Again, the DA in your jurisdiction may charge you, no matter what.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:59 PM (2YtOq)

140 That would be a large pocket tree, right?
OK that was really funny. It's something I'd expect from The Goonshow (BBC 1950s-60s).
Posted by: Ciampino - water flows downhill except for democraps!'

It's not really a joke, my small city is very wooded with large trees all over the place: yards, the boulevard. It's not actually hard, if something looks sketchy, to find a large tree! Usually not more than 30 feet away at any given time.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:59 PM (/BBNv)

141 117 Question for any of you distance shooters out there: Which is best, hold over or moving the turret? Or, are is this mostly, "whatever gets the job done" territory?

If I am shooting and my spotter tells me 6 MOA left, I would prefer to dial it in on the turret. When it gets down to 1 or 2 MOA or less I find myself doing a holdover.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 08:00 PM (fe7in)

142 The Alto gun works this way: bad guy approaches, you pull out the alto; bad guy is incapacitated with laughter.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 24, 2023 08:00 PM (X7yt5)

143 One of Duncanthrax's Life Rules is don't irritate or annoy she who controls hypodermic needle and/or Foley catheter sizing.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 07:59 PM

Or who has a direct line to the otters.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 08:00 PM (aQy7p)

144 I'm not sure I'd call Bluebell a minion, but you do you....
Posted by: Grateful at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

But if you do, make NO sudden moves...

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 08:02 PM (uSHSS)

145 21 Just off of visiting blaster acres to site a shipping container. To store tools. And stuff.
Posted by: blaster
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Stay safe from the gators.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 07:13 PM (P/Z4V)

Buddy of mine up in northeast TX has a railroad boxcar for a shed and workshop. Cool as all get out.

Posted by: javems at September 24, 2023 08:03 PM (8I4hW)

146 The Kimber did come with the bushing wrench and I do have a 1911 mat. I did the Glock which is incredibly simple and just worked up the nerve to do that. Let me catch my breath before I take on the Kimber.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:04 PM (t/2Uw)

147 140
I just found it funny the way you expressed it.

Posted by: Ciampino - hobnobbing with the Nobs? at September 24, 2023 08:04 PM (qfLjt)

148 I seem to remember a Jack Reacher line, where he says
"What do you mean, you have to rack the slide to chamber a round?"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 24, 2023 08:04 PM (hOUT3)

149 I've not yet had the 'BUT WHAT IF-' split-second thing. It has not happened. It could, yes. But so far no. And, important point, it's normally at 2-3AM! Who is out there and what are they doing? I'm on-camera over a period of years walking to my office: what are THEY doing out there, but looking for someone to rob?
Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:57 PM (/BBNv)

I roll out in the zero dark thirty hours and most crackheads, meth cooks and skunk monkeys are out and about as they like to do their roaming, robbing and pilfering before the sun is up.

I usually tell them where the nice dumpsters are and keep their asses moving as it’s gonna be a nice day if they do. Keep your head on a swivel and situational awareness always.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 08:05 PM (R/m4+)

150 As to the creative DA "round in the chamber" premeditation question, it doesn't work that way. Where or not one will be charged is pretty much at the discretion of the DA.'

There is also the issue of the *other guy*. There have been several cases around me of people carrying replicas, airguns, or non-guns and using them to display in robberies. The act of placing a round in the chamber can act as a notice it's not a 'fake gun'.

And anyway, if you have to shoot someone, especially off your private property, it's totally a lose-lose situation under ANY circumstances. Expect charges and be ready with some persuasive answers. I emphasize, it's purely my personal choice in my purely personal situation/circumstances. Round not chambered. You do you.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:05 PM (/BBNv)

151 126 Disciplinary Range of Shame

Over 100 comments and not *one* of you has volunteered for nurse ratched's Disciplinary Range of Shame?

Who are you people?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 24, 2023 07:55 PM

I learned early in life to never volunteer. Did it once and where did it get me? Being Weasel's range gofer

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 08:06 PM (fe7in)

152 Being Weasel's range gofer
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 08:06 PM (fe7in)
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Which would make Weasel, "Weaselsan."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 08:07 PM (2YtOq)

153 Okay, I'll do me. Wait, that didn't sound right.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 08:07 PM (V8he0)

154 Buddy of mine up in northeast TX has a railroad boxcar for a shed and workshop. Cool as all get out.
Posted by: javems'

That is awesome.
I've seriously looked into getting a used shipping container for a new garage. I've gotten used to small cars as the current 'shack' is an old carriage type thing and it's not safe to park anything outside.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (/BBNv)

155 Round in the Chamber?
This is going to cause a shitstorm of controversy. Do you carry with a round in the chamber, or not?

-

If you're not, are you still carrying a gun at that moment?

Schrodinger's Gun?

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (SfD1B)

156 Speaking of round in the chamber, some GA DA detective shot herself in the foot while in a handicapped stall in the ladies room.
Trying to imagine how that happened....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

157 Let me catch my breath before I take on the Kimber

The hardest part is compressing the buffer spring when reassembling. Put the gun and your hands inside something like a dry cleaner's bag to catch the plug if (when) it tries to go whanging off into space.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (nfrXX)

158 bluebell is one of the most perspicacious, pulchritudinous, and clement commentators we have, and any rumors about having a hair-trigger when it comes to deploying one or multiple shivs, burning donuts while driving black muscle cars, or producing even a slightly-suboptimal pie crust are just that, rumors. Only half of them are true.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (a3Q+t)

159 Only thing about the negligent discharge video is a single word. He says "If your gun is in the holster, it will not fire."

I would say "in a proper holster." Because I have seen holsters that really don't guard the trigger the way they should (and one or two guns where the trigger can't be properly protected).

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:10 PM (M+Nrs)

160 The all time greatest negligent discharge is the young man at a Christmas party who is under the employ of a certain 3 letter agency. He busts a dance move, firearm comes out of its holster and discharges. He picks it up and acts as if nothing just happened. It's on the tubes somewhere but I'm busy cooking.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 08:11 PM (MeG8a)

161 My Ruger LPC is double action only, with a long trigger pull, so I’m comfortable with one in the chamber. Besides, if I didn’t, my ammo capacity would be cut by15%!
And it’s to small to be racking/fiddling with under stress.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:11 PM (xZEBF)

162 The Alto gun works this way: bad guy approaches, you pull out the alto; bad guy is incapacitated with laughter.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 24, 2023 08:00 PM (X7yt5)

So if the Alto is a 9mm, is the Soprano a .380? And the Tenor a .45?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 24, 2023 08:12 PM (PWe8a)

163 Off to content
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:01 PM (fe7in)

Welcome home, Scoob!

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:12 PM (M+Nrs)

164 Speaking of round in the chamber, some GA DA detective shot herself in the foot while in a handicapped stall in the ladies room.
Trying to imagine how that happened....
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

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I'm betting there are at least three, and likely five or more, separate variables in hiring and qualifications that came together to make that moment occur.

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:13 PM (SfD1B)

165 He busts a dance move, firearm comes out of its holster and discharges.

I'm 98.27% certain that it did not discharge when it hit the floor. It discharged when he grabbed it and stuck his finger on the trigger.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:13 PM (nfrXX)

166 Posted by: Duncanthrax, asking the questions the MSM doesn't ask at September 24, 2023 07:56 PM (a3Q+t)
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Sadly, no. WD and FSJ are at a doggie resort in rural Virginia til Tuesday.

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 08:14 PM (fA38o)

167 "It discharged when he grabbed it and stuck his finger on the trigger."

You're likely correct. The way the guy shrugs it off is classic dumbass behavior.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 08:15 PM (MeG8a)

168 And Weasel Cat is fending for herself?

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:15 PM (xZEBF)

169 163 Welcome home, Scoob!

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:12 PM

Thanks GWB! Sadly back to work tomorrow after being off for 2 weeks. Already thinking of where to go next year (if the finances allow).

I do have one more trip this year. Corsicana, Texas in October. Only thing I have to do is rent a car.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 08:15 PM (fe7in)

170 >>> burning donuts while driving black muscle cars, or producing even a slightly-suboptimal pie crust are just that, rumors.

Given the pastry theme, I took "burning donuts" very literally the first time I read it. Thinking, bad woman, got a fry-daddy up in the front seat making fresh donuts on the way deliver pies.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 08:15 PM (ga8qR)

171 The all time greatest negligent discharge is the young man at a Christmas party who is under the employ of a certain 3 letter agency. He busts a dance move, firearm comes out of its holster and discharges. He picks it up and acts as if nothing just happened. It's on the tubes somewhere but I'm busy cooking.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

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I remember that one and the ebonics cop telling the high school kids something like "I'm the only one qualified to be handling these weapons all up in here" at the exact moment he puts a round through his leg and then tries to act like nothing happened.

It's funny how when you try to search for those now all you get are "cops shoot unarmed black man" videos.

I sure am glad Our Betters are looking out for us.

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:16 PM (SfD1B)

172 WD and FSJ are at a doggie resort in rural Virginia til Tuesday.

Hopefully they'll be able to get in a few rounds of golf.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 08:16 PM (V8he0)

173 Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:15 PM (xZEBF)
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Nah, she has professional cat attendants coming by daily.

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 08:17 PM (fA38o)

174 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

So, does this mean that not all cops are experts in weapons handling and firearms safety in general?

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:17 PM (yRXSd)

175 I have always been fascinated with nice engraving. That Hi-Power has nice floral patterns. I have considered having a pair of Remington 1875 Uberti clones engraved but don’t know that the expense would be worth it. Sure would be a pretty pair though.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 24, 2023 08:18 PM (eUsLv)

176 Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 07:19 PM (/BBNv)

I'm confused. Are you carrying it in your hand as you walk along the street?

Also, how on earth is a Ring doorbell camera going to know if you have a round in the chamber or not? Unless you're going right up to the door - but even then, it can't see inside your chamber.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:18 PM (M+Nrs)

177 Haha! Funniest one was a guy who jumped off his porch a half-block away and came running straight at me screaming his head off. 3AM. He didn't have anything in his hands and seemed to be a little...unsteady. I put my hand on the gun but didn't unholster.

He gets close and says, "Oh man, I'm all drunk and high! You got a cigarette? I got money-" (begins digging in shorts pockets)

Me: "Are you fucking serious?"

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:18 PM (/BBNv)

178 I really enjoy Ayoob. He knows his stuff. The most important lesson he taught me is, when the cops are about for whatever reason, if you have your gun, stay in your house. Do not answer your door with a gun in your hand. People are becoming suddenly dead that way. Better, don't answer your door at all, call 911 to see what is up.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 08:20 PM (MeG8a)

179 Keep your booger picker off the trigger.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:20 PM (XtkZj)

180 It's funny how when you try to search for those now all you get are "cops shoot unarmed black man" videos.
I sure am glad Our Betters are looking out for us.
Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:16 PM (SfD1B)

Detroit cop if I remember right. He started bleeding all over the floor and I laughed and laughed.

Idiots and firearms are a bad combination.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 08:20 PM (R/m4+)

181 Speaking of transistors, I was contemplating how many transistors have been made by mankind, including the ones built into computer chips, memory, etc. It has to be on the order of mega-quinzillions by now, maybe more than the grains of sand on all the beaches. We have made more transistors than anything else.

Posted by: fd at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (vFG9F)

182 So, does this mean that not all cops are experts in weapons handling and firearms safety in general?

Buddy and I used to have a running joke that cops are the third worst source of any gun-related information. Number two is dudes who work at Academy. Number one, of course, is the internet.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (nfrXX)

183 So, does this mean that not all cops are experts in weapons handling and firearms safety in general?
Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:17 PM (yRXSd

Ahahahahahahahahahaha!!

No comment.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (XtkZj)

184 I just read the story of the Lindbergh baby kidnapping. The guy who did it was an illegal alien. He managed to get in, got deported, failed again, then tried a third time, and was successful.

They have been problems since at least 1923.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (ufFY8)

185 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 24, 2023 08:18 PM (eUsLv)

Check out some of the outfits that do this stuff (EX: Turnbull). Be prepared for some serious sticker shock, and to pay a LOT more than what you paid for those replicas in the first place.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:22 PM (yRXSd)

186 There was an overhead picture posted here a few years ago of bluebell's visit to the AoSHQ HQ, just after a light snowstorm.

Coming in hot off of the street, perpendicular to the parking spaces, she executed a perfect 270 degree donut, and put the car precisely into the closest parking spot.

Given that level of skill, I wouldn't bet against parallel-parking capability.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 08:22 PM (a3Q+t)

187 66 If I were to conceal carry or even if I keep my handgun loaded at home, I think I would have one in the pipe. But I would like to have a DA/SA like my Sig. And I would use the de-cocker so the first pull is a DA.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 07:29 PM (fe7in)

I think this is the best way for people who cannot train everyday…which is pretty much everybody, including most professionals.

Posted by: iron308 at September 24, 2023 08:22 PM (FolEb)

188 Buddy and I used to have a running joke that cops are the third worst source of any gun-related information. Number two is dudes who work at Academy. Number one, of course, is the internet.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (nfrXX)

Checks out.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:22 PM (XtkZj)

189 I don’t ever appendix carry anything with one in the chamber.
Something about Rule 2 and not letting the barrel cover anything you aren’t willing to destroy . . .

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:23 PM (xZEBF)

190 The all time greatest negligent discharge is the young man at a Christmas party who is under the employ of a certain 3 letter agency. He busts a dance move, firearm comes out of its holster and discharges. He picks it up and acts as if nothing just happened. It's on the tubes somewhere but I'm busy cooking.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 08:11 PM

NDs and other dumbfuckery? Herewith, the Darwin Awards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mavCIqBXH6w

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 08:23 PM (aQy7p)

191 I think the Detroit cop who shot him self in the foot in front of a class room full of kids while talking about gun safety is an all time classic.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:24 PM (XtkZj)

192 189 I don’t ever appendix carry anything with one in the chamber.
Something about Rule 2 and not letting the barrel cover anything you aren’t willing to destroy . . .
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:23 PM (xZEBF

Appendix carry has always been sketch. Ass crack carry is a close second.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:25 PM (XtkZj)

193 Speaking of transistors, I was contemplating how many transistors have been made by mankind, including the ones built into computer chips, memory, etc. It has to be on the order of mega-quinzillions by now, maybe more than the grains of sand on all the beaches. We have made more transistors than anything else.
Posted by: fd at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (vFG9F)
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At the local university where I don't teach anymore except when I need bier money, I take my Information Systems class through development of computers and I describe the transistor.
1000 meter stares. And it usually isn't my teaching.
Usually.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 08:25 PM (uSHSS)

194 I'm not sure I'd call Bluebell a minion, but you do you....
Posted by: Grateful at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

Holy cow! I heard Bluebell's ~~maniacal cackle~~ loud laugh all the way down here in southern VA.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:26 PM (M+Nrs)

195 Are you carrying it in your hand as you walk along the street?'

Yes. If it looks hinky it assuredly is and there is no way I'm walking into something ugly playing fast-draw. Holding a pistol discreetly out and down along your leg pointed at the ground is not 'brandishing'. And no, actually. If it looks ugly/hinky I am stopped and seeking the above-mentioned large tree. So yes and no: gun out, pointed down, stopped, waiting to see what this other person has on their mind. Again, not-terrific area, 2-3AM.
And cameras now are a lot better than they used to be.
Look, if you think this is all stupid and I'm an idiot, sure, fine, but still it's what I choose to do, over a number of years of carrying guns in not-terrific places around not-terrific people.

I have TONS of encounters with people at unGodly hours that are not at all serious! Drunks staggering home, derelicts riding bicycles, kids out fooling around, none of that involves a gun. It's the relatively rare occasion where it just stinks, doesn't look good, something-is-not-right situations where I do this. You do get a 'feel' for when something just isn't right and is about to turn ugly.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:26 PM (/BBNv)

196 I think the Detroit cop who shot him self in the foot in front of a class room full of kids while talking about gun safety is an all time classic.

The frosting on the cake is how he tries to brazen it out. "I'm OK" as he limps towards the door.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:26 PM (nfrXX)

197 184 I just read the story of the Lindbergh baby kidnapping. The guy who did it was an illegal alien. He managed to get in, got deported, failed again, then tried a third time, and was successful.

They have been problems since at least 1923.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 24, 2023 08:21 PM (ufFY

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The answer for border-violating repeat offenders is:
a backhoe.
(did you think I was going to say a shrubbery?)

Posted by: Ciampino - Backhoes R Us at September 24, 2023 08:26 PM (qfLjt)

198 this was a confidence builder.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:33 PM (t/2Uw)

That's never a bad thing. (Unless it builds confidence for the wrong things, I guess.)

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:26 PM (M+Nrs)

199 Time to call it a night.

Thanks as always Weasel for the One Thread that Rules Them All.

Night everyone!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 24, 2023 08:28 PM (fe7in)

200 I have TONS of encounters with people at unGodly hours...

After the second or third one of those, I think I'd be driving to work instead of walking.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:28 PM (nfrXX)

201 Buddy and I used to have a running joke that cops are the third worst source of any gun-related information. Number two is dudes who work at Academy. Number one, of course, is the internet.
Posted by: Oddbob

Heh.
And here we are.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (ga8qR)

202 That Altor pistol looks like a factory-made zip gun. And no sights, apparently.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (NZowV)

203 Be prepared for some serious sticker shock, and to pay a LOT more than what you paid for those replicas in the first place.
Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:22 PM

Hey Ed L, agreed. It would be fun to do, but my pockets are rather shallow. I can dream though…

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (eUsLv)

204 Thanks for the Shuttle landing video, Weasel. Brings back memories. Here's a another landing video with a view from the side in the final stage

https://tinyurl.com/593xxsv6

As you see the Orbiter (NASA name for the spaceplane component of the Space Shuttle System) flies like a brick. From 86,000 feet altitude to to main gear touchdown is 6.5 minutes in this video clip. The Orbiter's glide ratio was 4.5. One foot down for every 4.5 feet forward. A typical glider has a glide ratio of 70; the Boeing 767's glide ratio is 12. Nominal Orbiter landing speed was about 215 mph.

The mission commanders, only, manually flew each landing beginning around 40,000 feet altitude. The commanders were highly competitive about making touchdown as close as possible to the target distance from the beginning of the runway (usually 2500 feet) and the target sink rate, along with the smallest drift rate and smallest distance from the runway centerline.

Posted by: GL at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (5fDan)

205 Speaking of guns and such, I had no idea James Le Gros played Raylan Givens in 'Pronto', 1997, with Peter Falk!

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (/BBNv)

206 Range Report: This morning, I had a gallon-sized ziplock bag filled with a diverse array of cheap comm-block 7.62 X 39 ammunition that was taking up space on my work bench for quite some time. A friend and I took care of this problem via a Serbian AKM. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: PacosMojo at September 24, 2023 08:30 PM (NEq6T)

207 My most confident carry combination is my EMP Ronin, cocked and locked, in its pocket holster in a vest I purchased for cc. It is a cross body draw, which I practice (with the pistol unloaded) in front of the mirror. I've also had the chance to draw and shoot in the woods. Problem is, it takes two hands to unzip and then draw. So, not having one in the chamber would be way too slow.

I don't carry one in the chamber with my PPQ. I don't trust the trigger safety.

Posted by: nurse ratched, Sea Otter Awareness Week is Sept 24-30! at September 24, 2023 08:30 PM (UUBIv)

208 Holding a pistol discreetly out and down along your leg pointed at the ground is not 'brandishing'. And no, actually. If it looks ugly/hinky I am stopped and seeking the above-mentioned large tree. So yes and no: gun out, pointed down, stopped, waiting to see what this other person has on their mind.

Uh...yikes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 08:30 PM (V8he0)

209 202 That Altor pistol looks like a factory-made zip gun. And no sights, apparently.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (NZowV)
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Sights? We don't need no stinkin' sights!

Posted by: Ciampino - Backhoes R Us .. at September 24, 2023 08:31 PM (qfLjt)

210 I stand corrected. The idiot was a DEA agent giving a gun safety lecture in Detroit.

Feds….what are they good for…

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 08:31 PM (R/m4+)

211 After the second or third one of those, I think I'd be driving to work instead of walking.
Posted by: Oddbob'

Tried that! The drunks and drug addicts careening around on the streets are just as scary, and then you're trapped inside a car with your seat belt on. It's a toss-up as to which is worse, walking or driving. I sometimes drive, but mostly walk. More options for avoidance that way. And trees! Don't forget the trees.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:32 PM (/BBNv)

212 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (NZowV)

In all but name, it is.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:32 PM (yRXSd)

213 Because there's overlap and some people might be interested, I'm reposting this from the hobby thread:

I shoot a recurve bow exclusively. My kids outgrew the one they were using and I kept threatening to get them a compound, and after reading a lot of side by side comparisons and watching a lot of youtube reviews I broke down and got one of the $200 Dragon X8 models.

https://tinyurl.com/24jgmofm

It is absolutely fantastic, and I highly recommend it to anyone who is compound-curious. Fully adjustable between something silly like 5lbs and up to 70, so it's a viable choice for kids, women, or grown men.

We've been outside without griping or complaining (well, except for the "it's myyyy tuuurrrrnnn" type) for an hour or so every day since we got it, and that alone has been worth the price.

Highly recommended.

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:32 PM (SfD1B)

214 what if you need to fire right out of the holster?
Posted by: Eromero at September 24, 2023 07:38 PM (NxC5+)

I presume you mean "retention position", right down by your side, not thrusting forward yet. Yeah, it's incredibly hard to do any retention shooting if you're not carrying one in the chamber.

It's one reason I would love to get a Beretta M9. I know there are other pistols that work this way, but I carried that one, so I know it. It's the DA/SA with decocker. AND a safety (which is also the decocker.) It gives you options.

(I will still carry my 1911 C&L as my concealed carry weapon. If you can see my M9 (if I had one) you can bet there's another gun around somewhere.)

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:32 PM (M+Nrs)

215 Buddy of mine up in northeast TX has a railroad boxcar for a shed and workshop. Cool as all get out.
Posted by: javems
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Your buddy is Boxcar Willie? Just kidding.

I agree that is cool.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:32 PM (P/Z4V)

216 And trees! Don't forget the trees.

*hom*. They always forget the trees.

Posted by: Treebeard at September 24, 2023 08:33 PM (nfrXX)

217 Buddy and I used to have a running joke that cops are the third worst source of any gun-related information. Number two is dudes who work at Academy. Number one, of course, is the internet.
Posted by: Oddbob

Heh.
And here we are.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (ga8qR)

We're #1!!!
We're #1!!!

Posted by: Horde folk at September 24, 2023 08:33 PM (uSHSS)

218 WD and FSJ are at a doggie resort in rural Virginia til Tuesday.

Hopefully they'll be able to get in a few rounds of golf.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 08:16 PM (V8he0)
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Lots of rec opportunities at the doggie resort; nature walks, massages, pond swimming, play time in the yard something like 6x day. It's a little nutty.

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 08:34 PM (fA38o)

219 It's one reason I would love to get a Beretta M9. I know there are other pistols that work this way, but I carried that one, so I know it. It's the DA/SA with decocker. AND a safety (which is also the decocker.) It gives you options.

(I will still carry my 1911 C&L as my concealed carry weapon. If you can see my M9 (if I had one) you can bet there's another gun around somewhere.)
Posted by: GWB
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The Beretta 92 is a fine gun but you do have to have fairly large hands to get the most out of it. Not really a good one for concealed carry due to size but Beretta makes others using the same design that are smaller.

I never could shoot one worth a flip after the AF switched me over from the M. 15 Smith and Wesson revolver. That fit my hand, the Beretta did not.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:35 PM (P/Z4V)

220 IMHO, appendix carry violates "Never point your weapon at something you're not willing to destroy."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 08:35 PM (a3Q+t)

221 That Altor looks like some old ladies glue gun for arts and crafts.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 07:42 PM (R/m4+)

Wife said "power tool." I said (without any size references) "hair dryer." Once you know its dimensions, "hair dryer" would have to be a pocket hair dryer.

Oooh, now I'm thinking I might have a marketable invention........

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:35 PM (M+Nrs)

222 Just off of visiting blaster acres to site a shipping container. To store tools. And stuff.
Posted by: blaster

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I've seen a few of those around me and like the idea of that, but I haven't priced any. Got any suggestions?

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:36 PM (SfD1B)

223 I would say "in a proper holster." Because I have seen holsters that really don't guard the trigger the way they should (and one or two guns where the trigger can't be properly protected).
Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:10 PM (M+Nrs)

He fixed it in a related video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT9lurKMxEI

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 24, 2023 08:36 PM (v23vE)

224 I shoot a recurve bow exclusively. My kids outgrew the one they were using...

Can you recommend a recurve for an older teen/petite adult?

Posted by: Treebeard at September 24, 2023 08:36 PM (nfrXX)

225 The 92f is a great pistol if you're already lugging 50 pounds of gear and can't notice the extra weight.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:37 PM (XtkZj)

226 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 24, 2023 08:29 PM (eUsLv)

10GH, if you ever decide to do this, make sure you check w/ the shop you're looking at to see what their wait time is. A lot of places are turning customers away because their backlogged work is way too long. For example, the Colt Custom Shop stopped accepting new orders for Colt Single Army revolvers in 2017-19 because the backlog had grown to nearly five years (!?!). Engraving by a quality engraver is an exercise in patience nowadays.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:37 PM (yRXSd)

227 Crap. Knew I was gonna sock fail. I do every time.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:37 PM (nfrXX)

228 Lots of rec opportunities at the doggie resort; nature walks, massages, pond swimming, play time in the yard something like 6x day. It's a little nutty.

Posted by: Weasel

I wonder if that is where my DIL takes Daisy. She was describing a relaxing spa day where they did the dogs nails, bath and massage.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:38 PM (t/2Uw)

229 187 66 If I were to conceal carry or even if I keep my handgun loaded at home, I think I would have one in the pipe. But I would like to have a DA/SA like my Sig. And I would use the de-cocker so the first pull is a DA.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Certainly reasonable and one reason I carried a Sig P6 (aka 225 for awhile) before the magazines became made of unobtanium. Retired it to range duties now. And do not speak to me of Pro Mag magazines--just no.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:38 PM (P/Z4V)

230 When the first Macintosh computer came out with the 9" black and white screen, there was a Space Shuttle simulator program that let you land the Shuttle from orbit. I cratered that thing dozens of times before finally sticking the landing. That was one of the coolest programs at the time, that really showed off what the Mac could do. PCs were years behind in the graphics department.

Posted by: fd at September 24, 2023 08:38 PM (vFG9F)

231 Uh...yikes.
Posted by: Notorious BFD'

I've also, during the summer when it's really hot, simply open-carried to the office. It's easier. And there really isn't much of anybody out. The one thing I do know is that anyone I run into is not a cop. I have never once seen a police officer of any type on this 2-3AM walk along a fairly predictable route, over several years. There are no police.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:39 PM (/BBNv)

232 Magazines. The bane of so many perfectly fine handguns.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:39 PM (XtkZj)

233 Which is best, hold over or moving the turret?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 24, 2023 07:50 PM (2YtOq)

Well, I think it's always more precise to move the turret than to move the entire vehicle*. But I don't know what you're really talking about.

(* Panzerjager enters the discussion....)

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:39 PM (M+Nrs)

234 221 That Altor looks like some old ladies glue gun for arts and crafts.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Palm nailer using an air compressor. Similar shape and size.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:40 PM (P/Z4V)

235 Magazines. The bane of so many perfectly fine handguns.

*High Standard has entered the chat*

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:40 PM (nfrXX)

236 Just off of visiting blaster acres to site a shipping container. To store tools. And stuff.
Posted by: blaster

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I've seen a few of those around me and like the idea of that, but I haven't priced any. Got any suggestions?
Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore

Twenty years ago the deposit used to be about $1000 on a 40ft. That was twenty years ago. But they didn't care id they ever saw it again. Like empty beer cans.

Asked a Contractor a couple of weeks ago and I think he said it was > $3k for a twenty footer now. But cannot remember for sure.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 08:41 PM (ga8qR)

237 Engraving a firearm is nice but it may impact the resale value unless it has some historical connection or some historical person of importance who had the firearm.

I think Nikita Khrushchev had a shotgun or 2 gifted to him which was engraved which would bring big dollars but otherwise most people don’t want other people’s artwork on their firearms.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 08:43 PM (R/m4+)

238 Can you recommend a recurve for an older teen/petite adult?

--

I haven't bought a serious one for a long time, but I'm a fan of Martin brand because they're (they were at least) made in the U.S.

If someone is just interested in trying it out I'd find a $50 or so takedown on Amazon with good reviews. My wife has a *really* expensive older one from competitive shooting in college, and I shot a no-name Amazon 35lb one at a range recently and the only real difference I could tell was fit and finish.

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:43 PM (SfD1B)

239 I like the mechanics of the 92FS/M-9. But it’s so damn heavy and large for only packing a 9 mm.
I’d expect .454 Casull, at least.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:43 PM (xZEBF)

240 Engraving by a quality engraver is an exercise in patience nowadays.
Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:37 PM

I hadn’t thought about that. Good to know.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 24, 2023 08:44 PM (eUsLv)

241 I'm 98.27% certain that it did not discharge when it hit the floor. It discharged when he grabbed it and stuck his finger on the trigger.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Booger hook grabbing trigger is the almost overwhelming favorite for A/D of a falling gun with our current modern pistolas.

Have to go back pretty far to find a non-defective one that would do that. Glocks, almost certainly a booger hook incident.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:44 PM (P/Z4V)

242 Magazines. The bane of so many perfectly fine handguns.

Certainly one of the prime suspects if your firearm ain't behavin'.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 08:44 PM (V8he0)

243 I wonder if that is where my DIL takes Daisy. She was describing a relaxing spa day where they did the dogs nails, bath and massage.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:38 PM (t/2Uw)

Bailey considers nail clipping and a bath contrary to the Canine Geneva Convention for interned pups. She might, however, consent to the massage.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 24, 2023 08:44 PM (PWe8a)

244 Just thought of something.

If you can find an old Bear Green Fox those things are fantastic. Some type of poly/fibreglass and tough as a pine knot. That was what I started hunting with. They're nothing special so they're probably cheap as can be used, assuming they're not collectors items.

Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore at September 24, 2023 08:46 PM (SfD1B)

245 The 1911 is easier
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 07:58 PM (t/2Uw)

Sharon, also look into an extended slide release. I found the 1911 release to be just far enough forward I had to shift my grip if I wanted to release it. And I found it makes it much easier to lock the slide, too - again you don't have to really shift your hand to make it happen.

I'm positive you've seen it on my carry 1911 and my .45.

I'm guessing Kimber would galdly put one on for you. Or you can look at the various gun parts places and install it yourself (it's WAY easy - you take that piece out first as part of your normal field strip for cleaning). It's a <$30 part, IIRC.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:46 PM (M+Nrs)

246 232 Magazines. The bane of so many perfectly fine handguns.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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True. Some aftermarket magazines are alright such as MecGar but ProMag is not.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:46 PM (P/Z4V)

247 Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 08:40 PM (nfrXX)

H&K P7 magazines for any P7 variant are now unobtainium.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:46 PM (yRXSd)

248 With carrying a pistol my situation isn't applicable to other places. JJS lives in J-Ville, near me, and there is no WAY I'd have these same practices in that city. Absolutely not. I wouldn't have these practices in say Seattle, or Dallas, Madison, or anywhere else. They are specific to my present situation and that's all.

Also, during the day, if I'm carrying it's a J-frame S&W, it's in a OWB holster, and most certainly 'has one in the chamber'. But that's during the day when there are (decent) people, and police, and stuff like that. At night where I am it's a zoo, pure and simple, and no police that might be of any immediate use.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:46 PM (/BBNv)

249 Bailey considers nail clipping and a bath contrary to the Canine Geneva Convention for interned pups. She might, however, consent to the massage.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

lol My DIL actually said that her pup had her "nails done". That just sounds so much better.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:47 PM (t/2Uw)

250 Certainly one of the prime suspects if your firearm ain't behavin'.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

Magazines are and should be considered consumables. Because they do get damaged over time and it is not worth an unreliable mag being shuffled into your carry gun rotation.

You have to make the exception for rare or collectible handguns but most people never carry them either.

M1 Carbine mags are notorious for being flimsy and disposable. In that case, the Korean ones are actually a bit better than WWII era mags. Save those as collectibles.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:48 PM (P/Z4V)

251 Asked a Contractor a couple of weeks ago and I think he said it was > $3k for a twenty footer now. But cannot remember for sure.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher'

That seems high. Last I looked around me they were about $1500 but haven't checked in a while. Even 10 years ago they used to practically give them away.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:48 PM (/BBNv)

252 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (xZEBF)

253 You do you.
Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:05 PM (/BBNv)

And I appreciate not just your saying that, but that you provided the analysis as to why. Even if I disagree, it gives me food for thought for further analysis of my own choices.

(And, after reading further, I get what you're saying about cameras.)

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (M+Nrs)

254 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 08:41 PM (ga8qR)

I had to price out some 20 footers three years ago. They were running around $6k then. You'll have to pay more if you need one that's rated to hold hazardous materials or has extra features (fire suppression, electrical connections for A/C, etc.).

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (yRXSd)

255 I am in Central Florida where today it was 89 degrees.
Posted by: blaster
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I'm in CenTer and it was 102 today...

Posted by: lin-duh at September 24, 2023 08:51 PM (UUBmN)

256 Trying to imagine how that happened....
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

I can think of about 2 different ways. At least with it being her foot. If she shot herself elsewhere, then it would get disgustingly weird.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (M+Nrs)

257 Asked a Contractor a couple of weeks ago and I think he said it was > $3k for a twenty footer now. But cannot remember for sure.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 08:41 PM (ga8qR)

My understanding is that there is currently a scarcity of shipping containers. Maybe too many of them are bobbing around on ships waiting to be docked.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (NZowV)

258 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (xZEBF)

And it all began that one day on a weekend training exercise when freshman ROTC cadet Diogenes stupidly stood up when the sergeant asked "Who here wants some experience with a 45?"

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (uSHSS)

259 252 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.
Posted by: RI Red
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Eh, modern pistols have better takedowns nowadays and some match 1911's are tight enough you need a bushing wrench to break them down.

I am getting reacquainted with Smith's Third Generation takedown and it is an awkward operation when compared with plastic fantastics.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (P/Z4V)

260 railroad boxcar

One with the ends knocked out made a covered bridge from Topanga canyon to a property across a small creek.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff, In Solidarity with The Struggle to maintain Moron standards a at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (p74to)

261 Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:48 PM (P/Z4V)

I've seen vintage WWII M1 carbine magazines go for $100-200 apiece at the Chantilly gun show. Using those for range trips is definitely a thing of the past.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (yRXSd)

262 Yeah, Midwest in Ohio has 20-footers for about $1500. I'm not sure about shipping. 40 footers about $1800. $3K for a 20-foot seems very high.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 08:53 PM (/BBNv)

263 He busts a dance move, firearm comes out of its holster and discharges. He picks it up and acts as if nothing just happened.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 08:11 PM (MeG8a)

Not quite what happened. It fell out and hit the floor. It discharged when he picked it up. So you can be assured it was his stupidity that did it, not the falling on the floor part.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (M+Nrs)

264 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.
Posted by: RI Red
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Great, I'll bring mine for you to clean at the TXMOME. 🤗😁😎
Zen is not the word I'd use....😱🤯

Posted by: lin-duh at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (UUBmN)

265
252 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (xZEBF

Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (XtkZj)

266 So if the Alto is a 9mm, is the Soprano a .380? And the Tenor a .45?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 24, 2023 08:12 PM (PWe8a)

And that guy that carries the Desert Eagle in .50? Yeah, he's the Bass.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 08:55 PM (M+Nrs)

267 Round in the Chamber?

Bun in the Oven?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff, In Solidarity with The Struggle to maintain Moron standards a at September 24, 2023 08:55 PM (p74to)

268 Thanks GWB, I'll look into it.

You all are so smart...

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:56 PM (t/2Uw)

269 Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (P/Z4V)

For ease of disassembly for field stripping, I'll take an M9, FN High Power (2022 edition), or Sig P226 over the M1911 any time. Faster to do, no finicky lining up holes for the sear stop pin, and easier to learn than the M1911. Just rotate the switch, and that's it.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:57 PM (yRXSd)

270 I've seen vintage WWII M1 carbine magazines go for $100-200 apiece at the Chantilly gun show. Using those for range trips is definitely a thing of the past.
Posted by: Ed L
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I have one matching the brand of my M1 Carbine still in wrap but certainly no reason to ever open it. The Korean (KCI) 15 rounders do just fine. I have some 30's but seldom use them other than to try them out.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:57 PM (P/Z4V)

271 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (xZEBF)

The only pistol I have that is a real mystery each time I disassemble and reassemble is my Pedersen Remington Model 51. Great little pistol but John Pedersen sure had his head up his ass when he designed it for ease of breakdown and reassembly.

The horror, the horror…

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 08:58 PM (R/m4+)

272 Breaking down and reassembling a 1911 is one of the steps on the way to gun zen paradise.
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 08:49 PM (xZEBF

Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.

Posted by: AlaBAMA

Not helping....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 08:58 PM (t/2Uw)

273 I've seen vintage WWII M1 carbine magazines go for $100-200 apiece at the Chantilly gun show. Using those for range trips is definitely a thing of the past.
Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM (yRXSd)

Depends on the manufacturer and overall condition. I have some that are still in the original waxed paper, never to be unwrapped, and some of the same vintage that I've used for years with nary a problem.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 24, 2023 08:58 PM (PWe8a)

274 Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (XtkZj)

Guilty.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 08:58 PM (yRXSd)

275 Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Over the years I have launched a lot of springs from a lot of guns. Key thing is always work in a clean area and have a magnet pickup tool plus a flashlight.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 08:59 PM (P/Z4V)

276 Magazines. The bane of so many perfectly fine handguns.

Also, and thankfully, sometimes the bane of AR-15s in the hands of scumbag coward shooters in public spaces. Who apparently didn't test each of their dozens of magazines starting with 30 rounds loaded.

Posted by: GL at September 24, 2023 08:59 PM (5fDan)

277 If you can find an old Bear Green Fox those things are fantastic. Some type of poly/fibreglass and tough as a pine knot.

Found one on fleabay. Dang, that looks familiar. I think the bow I had as a kid might have been a knockoff.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 09:00 PM (nfrXX)

278 Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (XtkZj)

You misspelled forehead.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:01 PM (xZEBF)

279 Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (XtkZj)

There is a reason the bookshelf in my den is where it is.

And hasn't been moved in years.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:01 PM (uSHSS)

280 Great, I'll bring mine for you to clean at the TXMOME. 🤗😁😎
Zen is not the word I'd use....😱🤯
Posted by: lin-duh at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM

I'll help you. It's nowhere near a Ruger Mk 3 in challenge.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:01 PM (a3Q+t)

281 Oh: I DO have a true 'nightmare scenario' for carrying, and that is at 2-3AM having a resident/homeowner coming out and say, finding his car window smashed, or his house borken into, and jumping to the conclusion I am a burglar/robber/criminal and THEY are armed, outraged, and trigger-happy with 'one in the pipe'.

THAT is my absolute nightmare. That's my total, utter worst-case scenario and even writing it made me cringe.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:01 PM (/BBNv)

282 When I first field stripped my 1911 I put a beach towel over my head and the entire work area. It came in handy.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 09:02 PM (MeG8a)

283 I'm cracking up over here at the visuals of all the flying springs followed by some highly intelligent sailor words.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:02 PM (XtkZj)

284 Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (XtkZj)'

There is a hilarious and extensive thread on Cast Boolits about losing springs and small parts, highly recommended!

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:03 PM (/BBNv)

285 When I first field stripped my 1911 I put a beach towel over my head and the entire work area. It came in handy.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 09:02 PM (MeG8a)

This.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:03 PM (uSHSS)

286 And it all began that one day on a weekend training exercise when freshman ROTC cadet Diogenes stupidly stood up when the sergeant asked "Who here wants some experience with a 45?"
Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 08:52 PM

Good to know the doggies weren't as wussy as we Midshipmen were led to believe by our Gunnies.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:05 PM (a3Q+t)

287 Some aftermarket magazines are alright such as MecGar but ProMag is not.

I read somewhere (Gun Tests maybe?) that MecGar is the OEM for many well known brands.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 09:05 PM (nfrXX)

288 For small parts the recommendations are (and nobody ever does it, I never think to do it) is work inside a large plastic bag and have magnetic parts trays underneath. So smart!

...I never do it, I'm always hunting around for some spring or washer...

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (/BBNv)

289 Y'all can't field-strip and reassemble a 1911 blindfolded?

The rot is deeper than I suspected.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (a3Q+t)

290 SO ZeroHedge has a story about a man who fought in the Waffen SS, Yaroslav Hunk, that the Canuck Reich is honoring. He's a Uke of course.

Now...WWII made for some hard choices for people in Europe, and second guessing what people did at the time is hard but...prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, speaking well of someone like this would get you cancelled. Let alone a whole, nominally western, nation honoring him...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (XqcwY)

291 285 When I first field stripped my 1911 I put a beach towel over my head and the entire work area. It came in handy.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 09:02 PM (MeG8a)

This.
Posted by: Diogenes
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I wear polycarb safety glasses which serve as a spring repellant.

The small springs are annoying but rifle mainsprings with a firing pin included in the launch can be dangerous.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (P/Z4V)

292 Duncanthrax, I finally figured out the Mk 3.
But many unZen moments along that path.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:07 PM (xZEBF)

293 There is a hilarious and extensive thread on Cast Boolits about losing springs and small parts, highly recommended!
Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:03 PM (/BBNv)

The propensity of certain parts to go ga-doing! and vanish into the ether is not confined to firearms. The automotive world is rife with them, too. We call them "***** clips", which some folks may consider blasphemous, because that's what you say when one goes ga-doing!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2023 09:07 PM (NZowV)

294 Oh, and I do love what Musk has done...under the tweet discussing Canada honoring a Waffen SS member;

Readers added context they thought people might want to know
The Galician SS and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (both factions worked alongside each other) committed various massacres against Jews, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, and Soviet Partisans during their operation and collaboration with the SS and the Nazis.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2023 09:07 PM (XqcwY)

295 289 Y'all can't field-strip and reassemble a 1911 blindfolded?

The rot is deeper than I suspected.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (a3Q+t)

For when your enemy puts you in a room, blindfolded and with only the parts to a 1911 scattered on the floor?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (XtkZj)

296 Good to know the doggies weren't as wussy as we Midshipmen were led to believe by our Gunnies.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:05 PM (a3Q+t)

Heh.
Gunnies are notorious for falsifying things.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (uSHSS)

297 I read somewhere (Gun Tests maybe?) that MecGar is the OEM for many well known brands.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yes or was the licensed mfg for some US companies selling their firearms abroad.

Browning High Power, Smith and Wesson autopistols older than the M&P line, Beretta, Sig, etc. have all used MecGar to make at least magazines for some of their models.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (P/Z4V)

298 Now...WWII made for some hard choices for people in Europe, and second guessing what people did at the time is hard but...prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, speaking well of someone like this would get you cancelled. Let alone a whole, nominally western, nation honoring him...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (XqcwY)

For a young Ukrainian kid in 1944, joining the Waffen SS may have been the least-worst option. That makes him a survivor, not a hero.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (NZowV)

299 Ok, listen up.

The first rule of field-stripping a 1911 is to have a 1911.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (a3Q+t)

300 The propensity of certain parts to go ga-doing! and vanish into the ether is not confined to firearms. The automotive world is rife with them, too. We call them "***** clips", which some folks may consider blasphemous, because that's what you say when one goes ga-doing!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon'

I lost a tiny (but of course critical!) e-clip rebuilding my Senco nailgun and had to hunt all over Creation to find another one locally.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (/BBNv)

301 I read somewhere (Gun Tests maybe?) that MecGar is the OEM for many well known brands.
Posted by: Oddbob

Act-Mag is another that is also an OEM.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (ga8qR)

302 This is going to cause a shitstorm of controversy. Do you carry with a round in the chamber, or not?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Yeah, I do. Ruger SR1911, LCPII, and S/W EZ 380

I do not, carry any of my AR rifles with one in the chamber.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 24, 2023 09:10 PM (us8PW)

303 hunt all over Creation to find another one locally.'

That came out awkwardly! I mean I got on Tha Interwebz and looked all over the place, and finally found 3 in stock at my local AutoZone and didn't have to order them!

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:10 PM (/BBNv)

304 The second rule of field stripping a 1911 is not to.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:11 PM (XtkZj)

305 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 24, 2023 08:23 PM (aQy7p)

Funny he mentions a decocker....

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:11 PM (M+Nrs)

306 Second rule. Have a field.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:11 PM (xZEBF)

307 I do not, carry any of my AR rifles with one in the chamber.
Posted by: BifBewalski
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Ditto, with shotguns also.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:11 PM (P/Z4V)

308 Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (a3Q+t)

That probably went away around 1986, when the first M9s began to appear in Army units like the 82nd and 101st. As an ROTC cadet back then, I'd heard about that, but never had to do it in any ROTC training I had.

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 09:12 PM (yRXSd)

309 Sharon, I've field stripped and reassembled my 1911 a few times without supervision. And you know I'm totally mechanically hopeless. I can't say I've got the hang of it, but I can eventually get it done (and the gun works properly afterwards - I always test with snap caps when I'm done).

I use the Brownell videos, recommended by someone here, and they're pretty good. I don't take out the firing pin as they show in the video. But I also had to look up some diagrams because I was confused about what the disassembly notch was. I find it very tricky to get the slide stop back in. But I haven't launched the spring into the ceiling.... yet.

Bring it to the clinic in Texas and you'll have Morons fighting over you to help.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 24, 2023 09:12 PM (aBJcM)

310 Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.

The worst part is never finding the spring. Had that happen once. Searched for hours, no dice. I almost went downstairs to the dryer to see if it might have been with the socks that beast has eaten. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 09:12 PM (V8he0)

311 I almost went downstairs to the dryer to see if it might have been with the socks that beast has eaten. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 09:12 PM (V8he0

ROFL

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:13 PM (XtkZj)

312 Y'all can't field-strip and reassemble a 1911 blindfolded?

The rot is deeper than I suspected.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (a3Q+t)

For when your enemy puts you in a room, blindfolded and with only the parts to a 1911 scattered on the floor?
Posted by: AlaBAMA

So you can field strip in dark of night, coming under fire optional, and remember where all your parts are. At least that was the excuse when we did it with M-249s.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 09:13 PM (ga8qR)

313 Ayoob has lots of good advice. If you're going to carry, practice carrying. Wear the holster and the piece all day every day, around the house, the yard. Video yourself to see if you are "printing" or otherwise indicating that you are favoring a side or patting yourself, giving away your status.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 09:14 PM (MeG8a)

314 Hopefully, after the current number of GT anniversaries, you either have, or devoutly wish to have, a 1911.

Harken unto the true path of JMB (PBUH). Renounce Gaston.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

315 Sure, I can't see the enemy to actually shoot them but I can field strip and clean my weapon!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (XtkZj)

316 I do not, carry any of my AR rifles with one in the chamber.

Same here. Long guns are a whole different ballgame, IMHO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (V8he0)

317 Y'all can't field-strip and reassemble a 1911 blindfolded?

The rot is deeper than I suspected.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:06 PM (a3Q+t)
***

Back in the day could do the M-60 in less than two minutes, but you had to be careful laying out the parts so you could grab them again...in order.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (uSHSS)

318 304 The second rule of field stripping a 1911 is not to.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Not much reason to if you use decent ammo. One of the reasons I used Hodgdon's Universal when I was doing reloading a lot for handguns was that it shot clean without much of the nasty carbon buildup. For whatever reason, the powder flakes are not coated in graphite like most powders use plus it burns pretty fast and clean as a shotgun powder.

I only detail strip when I am replacing springs and such or when I acquire a new used firearm and am checking for parts breakage/wear.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (P/Z4V)

319 I've never been disappointed by a Monte Cristo. Lucky I guess, but I've not had one in many years. Cannot speak to the Politico. The Havana No 4 is still my all time favorite. About to spark up a Mark Twain Press for this evening's rolled leaf salad course to my steak dinner...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (37q3K)

320
Highly recommended.
Posted by: Family members won't listen to Gandalf anymore

I looked at it earlier, nice bow.
I don't think I'm in the market for a compound any longer though.
Thanks for the memories!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (mWanp)

321 For the record, the gun comment volume has outpaced the food thread (again). Well done, horde.

Who knew that wayward springs would be a thing?

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM (IQ6Gq)

322 My work bench has a space underneath it with the most powerful tractor beam known to man. Regardless of where a part falls, it is guaranteed to end up as far as possible under that bench.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:16 PM (xZEBF)

323 Raise your hand if you've inadvertently put a spring shaped dent in the ceiling.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 08:54 PM (XtkZj)

Astra A-400 springs make deeper dents.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 24, 2023 09:16 PM (xhaym)

324 Worst spring ever is a FAL recoil spring. They make a tool you can use but who needs that when a towel and knowing when it is about to go “sprong” is key.

Wear glasses like whig says…

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 09:16 PM (R/m4+)

325 322 My work bench has a space underneath it with the most powerful tractor beam known to man. Regardless of where a part falls, it is guaranteed to end up as far as possible under that bench.
Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:16 PM (xZEBF

Even if you do find that screw or set pin, how can you be sure it's the one for this gun and not the other one?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:17 PM (XtkZj)

326 Can you recommend a recurve for an older teen/petite adult?
Posted by: Treebeard at September 24, 2023 08:36 PM (nfrXX)

I prefer ones made of yew or another wood.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:18 PM (M+Nrs)

327 SiD, I am planning on bringing the Kimber to Texas and I think I volunteered to help with the gun cleaning session so, yes, hoping to get to do it under supervision the first time.
Soon....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 09:19 PM (t/2Uw)

328 Well, if it doesn’t fit, I’m using too small a hammer.

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:19 PM (xZEBF)

329 Thanks for the boxcar posts errybotty, and thanks as always to Weasel

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at September 24, 2023 09:19 PM (Uyf5K)

330 I prefer ones made of yew or another wood.

For the petite adult I have in mind, wood would be preferable because the whole reason for a recurve in the first place is the traditional appeal.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (nfrXX)

331 Early departure tonight. I have another project to do.

“Weasel is everywhere.”
“Weasel is everywhere.”
“Weasel is everywhere.”
. . .

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (xZEBF)

332 324 Worst spring ever is a FAL recoil spring. They make a tool you can use but who needs that when a towel and knowing when it is about to go “sprong” is key.

Wear glasses like whig says…
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I can see that would be a nasty one. I did breakdowns of 1917 rifles and P14 bolts back when I restored a few.

Unfortunately, the Brits must not have paid Mauser for the m98 bolt takedown and on the first one I bought, they had put the abominable Dayton Traister cock on opening kit on that 1917. That bolt was hard as hell to take down and I had to drive the firing pin down through several levels of plywood to dismount the cocking piece.

Later I made a bolt takedown tool and now use a nicer one.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (P/Z4V)

333 This is going to cause a shitstorm of controversy. Do you carry with a round in the chamber, or not?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Based on where I'm going andt the environment.
Typically no. Especially no in my Keltec PF9. No external safety.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (uSHSS)

334 Back in the day could do the M-60 in less than two minutes, but you had to be careful laying out the parts so you could grab them again...in order.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:15 PM

The Pig had it's (many) detractors, but I found it an excellent weapon, albeit with a few quirks.

But I loved the M-79, as well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (a3Q+t)

335 If you work on your ARs buy a couple of the oops kits to have around.

Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2023 09:22 PM (nMiS+)

336 328 Well, if it doesn’t fit, I’m using too small a hammer.
Posted by: RI Red
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You use a nail for a firing pin too don't ya.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:22 PM (P/Z4V)

337 Don't ever say anything bad about springs!

Posted by: Coily the spring sprite at September 24, 2023 09:23 PM (63Dwl)

338 The Pig had it's (many) detractors, but I found it an excellent weapon, albeit with a few quirks.

But I loved the M-79, as well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (a3Q+t)

Concur.
Two excellent weapons.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:23 PM (uSHSS)

339 I look forward to this thread every Sunday. Sometimes I comment, sometimes I don't, but it's informative and a heck of a lot of fun. Thanks so much, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 09:23 PM (V8he0)

340 335 If you work on your ARs buy a couple of the oops kits to have around.
Posted by: blaster
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Good to have anyway. The AR runs on springs and more springs.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:23 PM (P/Z4V)

341 Finishing nails work best, whig!

Posted by: RI Red at September 24, 2023 09:24 PM (xZEBF)

342 Altor, with a little work, is perfect for the walking stick.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 24, 2023 09:24 PM (ZgB9e)

343 If you work on your ARs buy a couple of the oops kits to have around.

This. They're cheap insurance and will make you a hero at the range when somebody else loses a pin or spring.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 09:25 PM (nfrXX)

344 the 'round in the chamber' video was helpful

Posted by: DB - man of leisure suits at September 24, 2023 09:25 PM (geLO8)

345 Even if you do find that screw or set pin, how can you be sure it's the one for this gun and not the other one?

Posted by: AlaBAMA'

You can't! You'll never know!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: That dark corner under the workbench at September 24, 2023 09:25 PM (/BBNv)

346 When race colander time comes, I'll be looking for food and AR spare parts. Not in that order.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:26 PM (XtkZj)

347 *face

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:26 PM (XtkZj)

348 Astra 400

a replacement for the Campo-Giro

They make good chicken.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff, In Solidarity with The Struggle to maintain Moron standards a at September 24, 2023 09:26 PM (p74to)

349 Based on where I'm going andt the environment.
Typically no. Especially no in my Keltec PF9. No external safety.
Posted by: Diogenes
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One reason a lot of folks stayed with hammer fired rather than striker fired for a long time. When reholstering a hammer fired (revolver or semi-auto but NOT a single action type) you learn to hold your thumb over the hammer so it cannot cock itself on the way into the holster.

Easy to remember too, no cock, no bang.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:26 PM (P/Z4V)

350 > This is going to cause a shitstorm of controversy. Do you carry with a round in the chamber, or not?

not, but after watching the video I am re-thinking

Posted by: DB - man of leisure suits at September 24, 2023 09:27 PM (geLO8)

351 If you work on your ARs buy a couple of the oops kits to have around.
Posted by: blaster

A couple years back I got some stripped lowers, cheap. Joked about getting a six pack but thought it might raise a flag.
Anyway, got the 'oops kit' same time I go a lower build kit from PSA.
Didn't need it the first build, but on the second. Damn those little detent springs and plunger that need to be held down with an x-acto knife while you slip the next part in... didn't even bother looking for them. BEcause I had the spares.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 24, 2023 09:27 PM (ga8qR)

352 341 Finishing nails work best, whig!
Posted by: RI Red
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Of course they do.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:27 PM (P/Z4V)

353 For when your enemy puts you in a room, blindfolded and with only the parts to a 1911 scattered on the floor?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:09 PM (XtkZj)

Maybe if they thought you were a progressive?

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:29 PM (M+Nrs)

354
When reholstering a hammer fired (revolver or semi-auto but NOT a single action type) you learn to hold your thumb over the hammer so it cannot cock itself on the way into the holster.

Another lesson in life from Fife.

Posted by: Barney Fife at September 24, 2023 09:29 PM (63Dwl)

355 I had thought about suggesting a Clearing Barrel at the TxMoMeet Pistol Bays.

But on further consideration, I'm of the opinion that the attentive and capable RSOs have already built a successful record of Unload and Check Clear, as to make such a device, unnecessary.

This said though... Eternal Vigilance, Horde. Always verify, never take for granted!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2023 09:30 PM (e6UQI)

356 I do not, carry any of my AR rifles with one in the chamber.
Posted by: BifBewalski at September 24, 2023 09:10 PM (us8PW)

If I have to actually carry my AR? There's gonna be a round in the chamber. But usually I'm transporting my AR, so no round in the chamber until I'm ready to shoot. If I'm carrying it, it's because there's some very bad s*** already going down.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:31 PM (M+Nrs)

357 Yeah, it takes two seconds to clear and check a handgun.

It takes eternity to undo a mistake.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:32 PM (XtkZj)

358 But I have actually found a lot of finishing nails pretty handy as slave pins to be driven out. They go in pretty easier and allow some adjustments if sized just a bit smaller than the hole.

Another tip is use bamboo bbq skewers as cleaning picks, they can also serve as stock reinforcing or repair pins as bamboo is incredibly tough when glued in with resin. Easier to dress the hole than using brass pins.

I use a lot of cotton swabs, patches, and bamboo skewers for detail cleaning. If needs must, I used specific dental cleaning picks to get really tough crap out of receiver nooks, etc.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:32 PM (P/Z4V)

359 Later I made a bolt takedown tool and now use a nicer one.
Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:21 PM (P/Z4V)

Dang…first time I decocked a Mauser bolt out of the rifle a friend of mine showed me how to recock it on his workbench many moons ago.

After awhile, you learn to respect the lowly spring wherever you find them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 24, 2023 09:33 PM (R/m4+)

360 For when your enemy puts you in a room, blindfolded and with only the parts to a 1911 scattered on the floor?
Posted by: AlaBAMA'

Some James Bond screenwriter missed an opportunity here for yet another absurdly elaborate death scene he always escapes from.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:33 PM (/BBNv)

361 I use a lot of cotton swabs, patches, and bamboo skewers for detail cleaning. If needs must, I used specific dental cleaning picks to get really tough crap out of receiver nooks, etc.
Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:32 PM (P/Z4V

Same. Dental tools, skewers, long cotton swabs, pipe cleaners, etc etc.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:34 PM (XtkZj)

362 If needs must, I used specific dental cleaning picks to get really tough crap out of receiver nooks, etc.

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 09:34 PM (V8he0)

363 The problem with the blindfolded 1911 scenario is that even when you get it reassembled, ammo is still too damned expensive.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:35 PM (XtkZj)

364 Dang…first time I decocked a Mauser bolt out of the rifle a friend of mine showed me how to recock it on his workbench many moons ago.

After awhile, you learn to respect the lowly spring wherever you find them.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

The 98 Mauser bolt takedown is civilized as you get to unscrew it from the bolt prior to removing the cocking pin. The older Mausers and the P14/1917 suck as you need a couple of hands to do it without a vise.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:36 PM (P/Z4V)

365 The Remington 700 is a pretty nasty bolt to take down too. Best to use the bolt takedown tool for it.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:37 PM (P/Z4V)

366 363 The problem with the blindfolded 1911 scenario is that even when you get it reassembled, ammo is still too damned expensive.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Look forward to your rant online. Instead of teh guy saying the Rent is too High--You can say the Ammo is Too Damn High!!!!.

Good platform to run on in the South and rural areas.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:38 PM (P/Z4V)

367 The problem with the blindfolded 1911 scenario is that even when you get it reassembled, ammo is still too damned expensive.
Posted by: AlaBAMA'

James Bond would just make a cartridge out of a cufflink, eyebrow hair, a matchhead, and a gold filling from the henchman he just killed.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:38 PM (/BBNv)

368 Thanks to all for another interesting gun thread. I learned stuff. Thanks to Weasel for setting up and turning the horde loose. I don't think the place got wrecked too badly.

Posted by: TRex at September 24, 2023 09:39 PM (IQ6Gq)

369 Good platform to run on in the South and rural areas.
Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:38 PM (P/Z4V)

A case of ammo in every pot!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:39 PM (XtkZj)

370 The problem with the blindfolded 1911 scenario is that even when you get it reassembled, ammo is still too damned expensive.

Posted by: AlaBAMA
This was why I bought a 9mm.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 09:39 PM (t/2Uw)

371 Quick question before *everyone* goes...
Any suggestions for a cable lock for a hard gun case, to secure it when you're not moving about with it?

Options might include bike locks (but likely won't fit through any padlock holes) or computer locks (how secure are they really) or some other option I haven't thought of.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:40 PM (M+Nrs)

372 371 Quick question before *everyone* goes...
Any suggestions for a cable lock for a hard gun case, to secure it when you're not moving about with it?

Options might include bike locks (but likely won't fit through any padlock holes) or computer locks (how secure are they really) or some other option I haven't thought of.
Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:40 PM (M+Nrs)

They make wire locks for gun cases and golf bags.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 24, 2023 09:41 PM (XtkZj)

373 Or you strip your 1911, put it back together and hello, what's that?
Leftover parts.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 09:42 PM (MeG8a)

374 This was why I bought a 9mm.
Posted by: sharon

Still laughing!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 24, 2023 09:43 PM (mWanp)

375 370 The problem with the blindfolded 1911 scenario is that even when you get it reassembled, ammo is still too damned expensive.

Posted by: AlaBAMA
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45 ACP is one of the most forgiving cartridges to reload and cases last forever if you don't load really hot. Shoots coated or lubed lead bullets quite well too.

It was the second cartridge I learned to reload and if you are really cheap, one lb of Bullseye powder can make a bunch of 45 ACP ammo. I never used it because it is easy to double charge using that powder. But a lot of other powders work just fine with the 45. It is as easy as loading 38 Special.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:43 PM (P/Z4V)

376 Or you strip your 1911, put it back together and hello, what's that?
Leftover parts.

Time to start all over again!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 24, 2023 09:44 PM (V8he0)

377 I made a classic Mauser Mistake, just last week.

Got a complete Interarms MkX bolt assembly for The Project. Yay! And eagerly ran the bolt into the fully stripped '98 receiver.

You guessed it, the bolt wasn't cocked.

Locked up like a bank vault, they did. Had to hold my tongue just right to undo THAT bit of buffoonery!

(in case ya didn't know, the various Mauser '98 receiver bits, such as the trigger sear down in the 3rd lug raceway, the bold stop & ejector, all work TOGETHER, in synch, to make the finest Controlled Round Feeding mechanism ever made, dance it's proper ballet.

Omit the wrong part(s), (as I did), and it's Bank Vault Time! Ooops. Ooopsie!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2023 09:44 PM (e6UQI)

378 Anyway the 'one-in-the-pipe-or-not' thing isn't, for me, a matter of gun safety but my subjective perception of optics on camera footage. And (I've seen that Ayoob video before), you would be shocked (or maybe not) at how many non-gunowners truly believe, still, that guns can and will go off if you drop them. So his point 'that doesn't happen anymore' carries no weight when you have, say, a jury, which knows absolutely nothing about guns except what they see on TV, watching camera footage of you handling a firearm.
You're being judged by people who very likely believe Alec Baldwin's gun 'went off by itself' and that all guns fire if dropped. For me it's about optics. A few other concerns but optics above all.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:44 PM (/BBNv)

379 Any suggestions for a cable lock for a hard gun case, to secure it when you're not moving about with it?

Options might include bike locks (but likely won't fit through any padlock holes) or computer locks (how secure are they really) or some other option I haven't thought of.
Posted by: GWB

I hate to do this; however, the TSA only accepts some locks when shipping by air: so, check TSA approved locks.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (mWanp)

380 Don't ever lose the takedown pin for your Kimber. I have spares because reasons.

Actually, my issue was always getting the slide aligned and back on....

Posted by: lin-duh at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (UUBmN)

381 371 Quick question before *everyone* goes...
Any suggestions for a cable lock for a hard gun case, to secure it when you're not moving about with it?

Options might include bike locks (but likely won't fit through any padlock holes) or computer locks (how secure are they really) or some other option I haven't thought of.
Posted by: GWB
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They used to make some pretty decent cable locks for laptop computers back in the day that used some sort of micro hasp mounted on the case.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (P/Z4V)

382 Two times I have picked up an unloaded gun in my house and found a round in the chamber. I have been shooting for over 70 years, I am an old man and I always assume every gun is loaded and clear the chamber when I pick the gun up. Every time.

When I was in high school in the 1950's a friend of mine had beeb out shooting a German Luger which had mal-functioned on him. As he was riding down mainstreet with his buddies he started screwing around with the pistol and put a bullet in his head. I was a most sad time for a family of five kids to lose their oldest son.

I am an NRA range officer and every firearm is considered loaded and dangerous. Never screw around with guns.

Posted by: OldTexan at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (WZdY4)

383 Thanks for hosting this thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (yRXSd)

384 Or you strip your 1911, put it back together and hello, what's that?
Leftover parts.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 24, 2023 09:42 PM (MeG8a)

A lot like doing the valves on a '79 Chev Luv pickup.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (uSHSS)

385 Re cable lock

They mainly keep honest folks honest, so I'd go with whatever suits price, fitment, etc.

I was shown a long time ago what can be accomplished with a cheapo pair of lock cutters, so I won't spend a bunch on wires any more.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at September 24, 2023 09:46 PM (Uyf5K)

386 When reholstering a hammer fired (revolver or semi-auto but NOT a single action type)

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:26 PM (P/Z4V)

When I reholster my 1911, I put my thumb in front of the hammer (and the safety is also on) as a confirmation I'm not fouling the trigger.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:46 PM (M+Nrs)

387 Locked up like a bank vault, they did. Had to hold my tongue just right to undo THAT bit of buffoonery!

(in case ya didn't know, the various Mauser '98 receiver bits, such as the trigger sear down in the 3rd lug raceway, the bold stop & ejector, all work TOGETHER, in synch, to make the finest Controlled Round Feeding mechanism ever made, dance it's proper ballet.

Lee Enfields will do the same thing. Got one cheap enough because of it and took it home and disassembled it. Problem was that the cocking piece was worn and slipping over the sear.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:47 PM (P/Z4V)

388 Thanks Weasel and thanks to all for the good advice and support. I love being a part of all this.
Soon...

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 24, 2023 09:48 PM (t/2Uw)

389 I never used it because it is easy to double charge using that powder.

Bullseye is my favorite pistol powder. I load in batches of 50 and after throwing powder and putting them in the plastic tray, I visually check the whole tray shining a light down into each one. No oopsies so far...

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 09:48 PM (nfrXX)

390 They make wire locks for gun cases and golf bags.
Posted by: AlaBAMA'

This. They make cable locks that are designed to thread through the open action and barrel of handguns, in various lengths. They're not expensive.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:48 PM (/BBNv)

391 When I reholster my 1911, I put my thumb in front of the hammer (and the safety is also on) as a confirmation I'm not fouling the trigger.
Posted by: GWB
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Yes if your hand is big enough--better to pinch your thumb a bit than have an a/d.

I went from revolvers though to Double Action.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:48 PM (P/Z4V)

392 I hate to do this; however, the TSA only accepts some locks when shipping by air: so, check TSA approved locks.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 24, 2023 09:45 PM (mWanp)

Actually, you aren't required to lock your gun case with those stupid anybody-can-open-them "locks" when flying. You can lock them with good sturdy real locks.

But, this is for other situations, after you've gotten where you're going or maybe travelling by car. If you want to secure it to a shelf or something (NOT one put in by Ace).

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:52 PM (M+Nrs)

393 'night Horde, I learned some good stuff tonight.

It's almost October!

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 24, 2023 09:52 PM (aBJcM)

394 Bullseye is my favorite pistol powder. I load in batches of 50 and after throwing powder and putting them in the plastic tray, I visually check the whole tray shining a light down into each one. No oopsies so far...
Posted by: Oddbob
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Bullseye (1913) is a damn good powder to have lasted over 100 years in production just like Unique (189

. Just did not fit my turret reloading and using a Lee Disk Powder Measure back then.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:52 PM (P/Z4V)

395 Bullseye is my favorite pistol powder. I load in batches of 50 and after throwing powder and putting them in the plastic tray, I visually check the whole tray shining a light down into each one. No oopsies so far...
Posted by: Oddbob'

I do the same thing and also no double loads so far, .38 Special. Seems like Dean Grennell said to do that? Good advice.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 24, 2023 09:53 PM (/BBNv)

396 Early ONT is up.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 24, 2023 09:53 PM (nfrXX)

397 And thanks for the thoughts. Unfortunately, not much different from what I was already thinking. Might still do it as a deterrent.

Posted by: GWB at September 24, 2023 09:53 PM (M+Nrs)

398 Good night folks.

Posted by: whig at September 24, 2023 09:54 PM (P/Z4V)

399 OK, all y'all! Back at the hotel just in time for sign-off. We're in Pensacola for my moms 85th, but unfortunately didn't have a chance to go to main side and visit the Naval Aviation Museum. Anyhoo - looking forward to getting home and seeing all my furry pals.

Thanks again for being here and have a great week. Hope to see you next Sunday!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 24, 2023 09:54 PM (fA38o)

400 Allentown PA, transistor manufacturing center of the world.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 24, 2023 09:55 PM (ZgB9e)

401 Appropriately to the thread's theme, I pulled the trigger.

Decided to fly down to TxMoMe.

After the appropriate amount of celebratory dance, you may return to normal programming.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 24, 2023 09:55 PM (v23vE)

402 Appropriately to the thread's theme, I pulled the trigger. Decided to fly down to TxMoMe.

After the appropriate amount of celebratory dance, you may return to normal programming.
Posted by: Schnorflepupp
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**happy dance**

Posted by: lin-duh at September 24, 2023 10:18 PM (UUBmN)

403 Had to leave the room for a while. Thanks EdL and Hairyback Guy for the advice. Thanks again Weasel for hosting. Have a great week everybody.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 24, 2023 10:36 PM (eUsLv)

404 I will attend the TxMoMe in 24! I will attend the TxMoMe on 24! If I tell myself that often enough, I will remember not to commit to anything else!

Posted by: madmike at September 25, 2023 07:58 AM (EXdsF)

405 Round in chamber -
SA Revolver: no
DA Revolver: yes
Pistol with decocker and Double Action: yes
Pistol with safety: yes
Pistol without safety (even Glocks): no

Posted by: buddhaha at September 25, 2023 06:10 PM (TUT5e)

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