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Blake Red Dragon.jpg

The Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed with the Sun
William Blake

This is another version of one I posted a long time ago. Blake was one weird dude!

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM




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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:29 AM (Zz0t1)

2 W T.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:29 AM (Zz0t1)

3 When you discover the brown acid.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:30 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Her expression pretty much sums this one up.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 09:30 AM (Q4IgG)

5 Jeepers.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:30 AM (tBR8T)

6 What the heck?

Blake was such a weirdo.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:30 AM (xTRSc)

7 He never skipped leg day.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:30 AM (Zz0t1)

8 That is NOT what I was expecting today...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 09:31 AM (YIVH2)

9 She's got Roman manface.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

10 And we can’t even see the chick’s boobs.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:31 AM (xTRSc)

11 Wasn't this referenced in the movie Red Dragon regarding Hannibal Lector?

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 09:31 AM (OgrpQ)

12 Gozer. Pick the name of the Destructor.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 09:31 AM (Wg6v7)

13 That is NOT what I was expecting today...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 09:31 AM (YIVH2)



I've learned not to have expectations for The Art Thread.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:32 AM (Zz0t1)

14 NEVER take the brown acid.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 09:32 AM (Y2tls)

15 Her expression pretty much sums this one up.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 09:30 AM (Q4IgG)

Suns it up too !

Posted by: JT at October 02, 2023 09:32 AM (T4tVD)

16 Nice, reminds me of Heavy Metal Magazine

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (ZtYS1)

17
No dog. Not art.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (MoZTd)

18 Hang that in the kids nursery, and either they'll grow up strong or you'll be paying for years of analysis.


Posted by: Archer at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (gmo/4)

19 Sponge, I agree. My first thought was LSD.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (t/2Uw)

20 really, with this shit

Posted by: DB - not sure why at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (geLO8)

21 Would hang.

Posted by: The Tooth Fairy at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (SYTee)

22 shArt.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (Zz0t1)

23 A tail of Whoa.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (4PZHB)

24 This is another version of one I posted a long time ago. CBD is one weird dude!

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM (5iCZZ)

25 Good to see you're back CBD.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 02, 2023 09:34 AM (YRsIm)

26 Umm... sorry, I think I'll pass on this one.

Posted by: dantesed at October 02, 2023 09:34 AM (88xKn)

27 Huh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:34 AM (zZu0s)

28 Sniper is sitting this one out.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 09:34 AM (5iCZZ)

29 The central McGuffin in Red Dragon. Gets better with repeat viewings.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2023 09:35 AM (IG4Id)

30 It's interesting that we only see the Red Dragon from the back. His wings and body hide his expression and actions from view. What foulness is he preparing to visit on the woman?

We'll never know, but our own imaginations will fill in the gaps, depending on just how dark we can go...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 09:35 AM (YIVH2)

31 I cast flame shield!

Posted by: Some D&D chick at October 02, 2023 09:35 AM (XqcwY)

32 Manhunter > Red Dragon

Posted by: davidt at October 02, 2023 09:35 AM (SYTee)

33 28 Sniper is sitting this one out.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 09:34 AM (5iCZZ)

I don't get paid enough for this shit.

Posted by: The Sniper at October 02, 2023 09:35 AM (zZu0s)

34 Whadaya mean, "William Blake"??!!

Posted by: Crash Davis at October 02, 2023 09:36 AM (N3zMI)

35 Beowulf would make short work of him.

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 09:36 AM (AwYPR)

36 Why is the red dragon actually green?

Is this like that dress thing from a few years ago?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 09:36 AM (XqcwY)

37 Currently hanging in the foyer of Red Dragon Chinese Restaurant.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:36 AM (xTRSc)

38 Hillary...the younger years.

Would Not Hang.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 02, 2023 09:36 AM (0lY6Y)

39 This looks demonic.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 02, 2023 09:37 AM (NpAcC)

40 32 Manhunter > Red Dragon
Posted by: davidt at October 02, 2023 09:35 AM (SYTee)

Indeed. Ian Holm did a good job and I liked... William(?)... dammit. William Peterson.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:37 AM (zZu0s)

41 How does this painting relate to National Fried Scallops Day?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:38 AM (xTRSc)

42 This is but a tidbit.

Posted by: The Book of Revelation at October 02, 2023 09:38 AM (NBVIP)

43 How'd you like to see this in the exam room at your doctor's office?

You'd have at least 30 minutes to contemplate it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 09:38 AM (Q4IgG)

44 39 This looks demonic.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 02, 2023 09:37 AM (NpAcC)

Well, William Blake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:38 AM (zZu0s)

45 Looks to be the H.R. Giger of his time.

Posted by: javems at October 02, 2023 09:39 AM (8I4hW)

46 There's something unsettling and demonic and evil about this one.

Toxic masculinity.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:39 AM (PujQp)

47 Hey, Coleridge! Don't bogart all of the laudanum!

Posted by: zombie william blake at October 02, 2023 09:39 AM (krqg6)

48 How'd you like to see this in the exam room at your doctor's office?

You'd have at least 30 minutes to contemplate it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 09:38 AM (Q4IgG)

My doc removed the clock from the waiting room.

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 09:39 AM (AwYPR)

49 okie dokie then

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at October 02, 2023 09:40 AM (45fpk)

50 41 How does this painting relate to National Fried Scallops Day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:38 AM (xTRSc)

Mom made scallops once by marinating them in Italian dressing. I love scallops when I go out to eat, but they have never equaled how tasty that one time she made them was.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:40 AM (zZu0s)

51 Paging St. Michael. St. Michael to the white courtesy phone, please.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 02, 2023 09:40 AM (N3zMI)

52 This could make a good Meshuggah album cover.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 02, 2023 09:40 AM (8sMut)

53 Critics struggled to review this, since the phrase "WTF?" had not been invented then.

Posted by: Wally at October 02, 2023 09:40 AM (hqVaF)

54 The "dragon" has human feet.

See this is what happened before Gary Gygax normalized all this fantasy stuff. Dragons are big lizards not guys with wings.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 09:40 AM (XqcwY)

55 How does this painting relate to National Fried Scallops Day?

Well, I'm a big fan of seafood.

Posted by: Laphonza Butler at October 02, 2023 09:41 AM (XqcwY)

56 I am Chicken-Ram-Lizard Man!!!

Tremble in fear, Gotham!!!

Posted by: Chicken-Ram-Lizard Man at October 02, 2023 09:41 AM (krqg6)

57 wouldn't hang, but it's interesting for sure.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 02, 2023 09:41 AM (KZaqS)

58 You know that the artist isn't Catholic because when Catholics illustrate this passage from the Book of Revelation, the woman is the more important character.

Hint: We call her the Blessed Virgin.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at October 02, 2023 09:41 AM (BHrzb)

59 Looks to be the H.R. Giger of his time.

Posted by: javems at October 02, 2023 09:39 AM (8I4hW)

The entertainment company I worked for did some licensed products for Giger. Dude was a trip. Lived in a isolated chalet and had a man servant.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 09:42 AM (OgrpQ)

60 I am Chicken-Ram-Lizard Man!!!



3 hours at 425.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 09:42 AM (Y2tls)

61 Wasn't this referenced in the movie Red Dragon regarding Hannibal Lector?
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023


***
The painting itself is an important plot point in the novel. Red Dragon was the first of Thomas Harris's serial killer stories, and the first to have Lecter -- though he has only a small role in this novel, and in the earlier movie, Manhunter.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:42 AM (J2vNu)

62 51 Paging St. Michael. St. Michael to the white courtesy phone, please.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher


Indeed.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:42 AM (PujQp)

63 We have Simple Jack!

Posted by: Flaming Dragon at October 02, 2023 09:43 AM (SYTee)

64 51 Paging St. Michael. St. Michael to the white courtesy phone, please.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
---
Maybe he's too busy helping out a poor soldier in Korea...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 09:43 AM (YIVH2)

65 Quickly read about William Blake...what a freak.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 09:43 AM (XqcwY)

66 The painting itself is an important plot point in the novel. Red Dragon was the first of Thomas Harris's serial killer stories, and the first to have Lecter -- though he has only a small role in this novel, and in the earlier movie, Manhunter.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:42 AM (J2vNu)

Thanks, I was familiar with Heronimous Bosch but never had seen any of Williams Blake's work until watching the movie.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 09:44 AM (OgrpQ)

67 We have Simple Jack!
Posted by: Flaming Dragon at October 02, 2023 09:43 AM (SYTee)
---
We have Les Grossman....

Posted by: Hollywood Producers at October 02, 2023 09:44 AM (YIVH2)

68 2 Manhunter > Red Dragon
Posted by: davidt at October 02, 2023
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Indeed. Ian Holm did a good job and I liked... William(?)... dammit. William Peterson.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023


***
Was Holm in Manhunter? Brian Cox played Lecter in his few scenes in that movie. Holm would have made a fascinating Lecter, though.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:44 AM (J2vNu)

69 She's got Roman manface.
Posted by: Sponge

Manifestation of the genderless, atypical, progressive. Xer/xis expression is the oh sh*t moment when they realize they are phuced right along with the rest of us. Satan's appetite is never satisfied.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ne Obliviscaris at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (GNK5y)

70 Alternate Title: Interpretation Of Central Park Trench Coat Flasher while on the Brown Acid

Posted by: Moron Art Critic at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (BAKdv)

71 3 hours at 425.
---------
Chicken-Ram-Lizard Man laughs at your puny electric ovens!!!

Posted by: Chicken-Ram-Lizard Man at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (krqg6)

72 62 51 Paging St. Michael. St. Michael to the white courtesy phone, please.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher


Indeed.
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:42 AM (PujQp)

That's the kind of toxic masculinity she was requesting.

A Large, winged, pissed off angel with a giant, flaming sword/spear to do some serious smiting.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (zZu0s)

73 The Woman, Israel
12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was pregnant and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.

The Red Dragon, Satan
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven crowns. 4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and hurled them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her Child.

The Male Child, Christ
5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for 1,260 days.

Posted by: The Book of Revelation, Chapter 12 at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (NBVIP)

74 Thanks, I was familiar with Heronimous Bosch but never had seen any of Williams Blake's work until watching the movie.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023


***
Look up Blake's "Ghost of a Flea."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (J2vNu)

75 The coloring on this one has always bothered me. It feels like it should be red toned or some sinister combination of purples and black/grays. The yellowness just seems to bright for the subject.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (uhTu8)

76 Was Holm in Manhunter? Brian Cox played Lecter in his few scenes in that movie. Holm would have made a fascinating Lecter, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:44 AM (J2vNu)
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Ian Holm can play a pretty disturbing villain...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 09:46 AM (YIVH2)

77 *sets Phillip Seymour Hoffman on fire*

Posted by: Behold, a burning Freddy Lowndes! at October 02, 2023 09:46 AM (lR6tR)

78 I saw this movie! Doesn't Ray Fiennes eat the painting at the end?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 02, 2023 09:46 AM (XtkZj)

79 weird painting by a weird dude should be given to weird dave.

ugly . not a hanger.

Posted by: Outside of Life at October 02, 2023 09:46 AM (89Sog)

80 ...the first to have Lecter -- though he has only a small role in this novel, and in the earlier movie, Manhunter.
---------
Sous-vide machine salesman??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 09:47 AM (krqg6)

81 Was Holm in Manhunter? Brian Cox played Lecter in his few scenes in that movie. Holm would have made a fascinating Lecter, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:44 AM (J2vNu)

Dammit. You are right.

Why did I think Holm? Maybe From Hell?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:47 AM (zZu0s)

82 Look up Blake's "Ghost of a Flea."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (J2vNu)

Whoa, big into Satanic iconography. Falling star reference and all. I bet he has a lot of fans who were epstein clients.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 09:48 AM (OgrpQ)

83 Dragon doesn't skip lower back day, yeesh.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 09:48 AM (uhTu8)

84 Why did I think Holm? Maybe From Hell?
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Elementary.

Posted by: Dr Watso at October 02, 2023 09:48 AM (krqg6)

85 I saw this movie! Doesn't Ray Fiennes eat the painting at the end?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 02, 2023


***
The serial killer Francis Dolarhyde -- the Tooth Fairy, as the news media called him -- does eat the painting in the novel. I don't remember if he does in the earlier Manhunter movie. I've never seen the remake.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:49 AM (J2vNu)

86 Dragon doesn't skip lower back day, yeesh.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 09:48 AM (uhTu

666? Only if she's 5'3".

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 09:50 AM (OgrpQ)

87 Except for casting Edward Norton, Red Dragon is a way better movie.

Posted by: Gauntlet thrown. Or something. at October 02, 2023 09:51 AM (lR6tR)

88 You have to wonder what his publisher told Harris after he turned in the manuscript of Red Dragon. "Tom, baby, this book is dynamite! But you have got literal gold here with this 'Hannbal Lecter' dude. He's like Dracula, man. Write one about him!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:51 AM (J2vNu)

89 Lady to Red Dragon: "Um, why don't go eat that fat guy on the ottoman over there?"

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:51 AM (xTRSc)

90 Except for casting Edward Norton, Red Dragon is a way better movie.
Posted by: Gauntlet thrown. Or something

Old Ed did okay. Ralph Feinnes was great in my recollection (it's been a while, though).

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 09:52 AM (1Tjjv)

91 The Wikipedia page [not WikiArt] covers four watercolours and the novel references in a brief article.


https://tinyurl.com/4nxhykwh

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 09:54 AM (krqg6)

92 Qualifications for role:

Excessive hat size
Pistol wielding a 12 gauge.

Posted by: DaveA at October 02, 2023 09:54 AM (FhXTo)

93 Red Dragon is a great read.

Posted by: OCBill at October 02, 2023 09:54 AM (SUECK)

94 73 The Woman, Israel
12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was pregnant and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.

Posted by: The Book of Revelation, Chapter 12 at October 02, 2023 09:45 AM (NBVIP)

Catholics typically interpret the woman here as being Mary. Hence Jesus referring to her as "Woman" in a titular fashion at the Wedding of Cana, and references in Genesis "And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed".

Collective pregnancy, labor, and birth seems like a relative stretch.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 02, 2023 09:55 AM (eYoxG)

95 Except for casting Edward Norton, Red Dragon is a way better movie.
Posted by: Gauntlet thrown. Or something


Did he forget to address the ball?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:55 AM (xTRSc)

96 Excessive hat size
Pistol wielding a 12 gauge.
Posted by: DaveA at October 02, 2023 09:54 AM (FhXTo)

Hellboy?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 09:55 AM (zZu0s)

97 I see now that "Ghost of a Flea" was a full painting by Blake. What I must have been thinking of is an enlarged detail of the being's head that I saw in one of my psych textbooks long ago. It looked as if a master makeup artist had grafted the forepart of a flea and its sucking parts onto a human head in place of the human face.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:55 AM (J2vNu)

98 Weren't Edward Norton and Ralph Fiennes characters in the Honeymooners??

"First you address, Satan."
"Heeellllooo, Satan!" [swings golf club]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 09:56 AM (krqg6)

99 https://youtu.be/9wgri84loCA?t=67

Posted by: DaveA at October 02, 2023 09:56 AM (FhXTo)

100 In other art news, Oberlin College continues to cover themselves in 'glory.'

Since 2006 they have been fighting the survivors of a Jewish artist killed at Dachau over the possession of a sketch.

The sketch is called "Girl With Black Hair." Artist is Egon Schiele. Estimated value is $1.5 million.

Article found at Legal Insurrection.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 09:57 AM (5WZCt)

101 BREAKING: Nobel Prize goes to scientists behind "the clot-shot" (AKA mRNA Covid vaccines)

What the Media & Big Pharma Won't Tell You About the Pfizer Clinical Trials: For every life they save by preventing a death from COVID, they are killing four people from cardiac arrest

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 09:57 AM (RHGPo)

102 He must have an enormous schwanstucker.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:58 AM (Ro3yS)

103 12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was pregnant and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.


I once saw on a Catholic website that the idea of Mary having labor pains goes against Catholic doctrine, since labor pains were imposed on women as punishment for Eve's sin, but the Virgin Mary was sinless.

I'm not Catholic, so I don't know what the doctrine is. But I saw this on a very conservative Catholic site.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:58 AM (xTRSc)

104 Red Dragon is a great read.
Posted by: OCBill at October 02, 2023


***
Both it and Lambs are superb. They cast adult me back to my boyhood reading, when I read grownup books like the Bond novels not only for the adventure, but to learn things about the world adults wouldn't tell me. The "inside" details about serial killers and their practices . . . brrrr.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:59 AM (J2vNu)

105 The dragon is much redder in this one:
https://tinyurl.com/29535pu8

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 09:59 AM (krqg6)

106 In the words of Kurt Vonnegut ... "People keep finding things in my books that I never wrote into them"

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 10:00 AM (RHGPo)

107 What a "red" dragon is supposed to look like https://tinyurl.com/3bj7rk73

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 10:00 AM (XqcwY)

108 102 He must have an enormous schwanstucker.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:58 AM (Ro3yS)
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Hmmmm!

Posted by: Ciampino - a lot of bull at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (qfLjt)

109 I once saw on a Catholic website that the idea of Mary having labor pains goes against Catholic doctrine, since labor pains were imposed on women as punishment for Eve's sin, but the Virgin Mary was sinless.

I'm not Catholic, so I don't know what the doctrine is. But I saw this on a very conservative Catholic site.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:58 AM (xTRSc)

got to admit, once i left catholic school i didn't study too deeply, but i never even KNEW this sort of thing was debated.

especially as it's not something that could remotely be shown one way or another.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (KZaqS)

110 Willowed from the previous thread:

I was doing some research into the development of my neighborhood back in the day. My house in particular was built in '68 and first sold for $21,200, and the median income for this area was about $7600. Today the house worth about 12X and the median income is about 15X. Inflation; how does it even work?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 02, 2023 09:16 AM (YRsIm)

We purchased our house, three bedroom ranch, full basemant, 1/2 acre corner lot, for $39,000 in 1974. Former owner paid $29,000 in 1969. House originally sold for $17,900 in 1959. Now, we were offered $365,000. But, at our age, we're staying in place.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (Zvtjl)

111 He must have an enormous schwanstucker.
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 09:58 AM (Ro3yS)
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That goes without saying.

Posted by: Frederick Frankenstein at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (ScR16)

112 100 In other art news, Oberlin College continues to cover themselves in 'glory.'

Since 2006 they have been fighting the survivors of a Jewish artist killed at Dachau over the possession of a sketch.

The sketch is called "Girl With Black Hair." Artist is Egon Schiele. Estimated value is $1.5 million.

Article found at Legal Insurrection.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 09:57 AM (5WZCt)

https://tinyurl.com/bdd8etsy

Can't say I particularly like the work, but Oberlin are a bunch of commie assholes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (zZu0s)

113 In the words of Kurt Vonnegut ... "People keep finding things in my books that I never wrote into them"

I know...right? Rorschach is not the hero people!

Posted by: Alan Moore at October 02, 2023 10:02 AM (XqcwY)

114 Can't say I particularly like the work, but Oberlin are a bunch of commie assholes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (zZu0s)

And Nazi punks too it seems.

Posted by: They can fuck off at October 02, 2023 10:02 AM (lR6tR)

115 What a "red" dragon is supposed to look like https://tinyurl.com/3bj7rk73

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 10:00 AM (XqcwY)

Gary Gygax and Ral Partha approved.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 10:02 AM (OgrpQ)

116 I got the sudden urge to play Slayer’s “Hell Awaits”…

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 02, 2023 10:02 AM (8sMut)

117 Both it and Lambs are superb. They cast adult me back to my boyhood reading, when I read grownup books like the Bond novels not only for the adventure, but to learn things about the world adults wouldn't tell me. The "inside" details about serial killers and their practices . . . brrrr.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 09:59 AM (J2vNu)

Hannibal is horrible shit. One of the worst cases of the author impugning his own characters I have seen.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 10:02 AM (zZu0s)

118 Stripe has now gone woke and canceled some firearm related fundraisers. Stripe faces backlash after payments firm cut off small family business for selling gun accessories - amid 'de-banking' controversy
https://mol.im/a/12540653

Posted by: Ciampino - a lot of bull ... at October 02, 2023 10:03 AM (qfLjt)

119 Freaky-deaky painting.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 10:04 AM (bWsRe)

120 Can't say I particularly like the work, but Oberlin are a bunch of commie assholes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023 10:01 AM (zZu0s)

Wasn't one of them a twat waffle sports broadcaster as ESPN? Keith Oberlin?

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 10:04 AM (OgrpQ)

121 "Now, who could it be? Could it be ... SATAN?!"

/obligatory SNL Church Lady (Dana Carvey)

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 02, 2023 10:05 AM (2O5Io)

122 Oberlin needs to be publicly humiliated for being such twatwaffles.

They will return a Nez Pierce twine bag but not a sketch created by a Jewish artist.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:06 AM (5WZCt)

123 "Now, who could it be? Could it be ... SATAN?!"

/obligatory SNL Church Lady (Dana Carvey)
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp

Well isn't that special?

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 10:06 AM (2yUKc)

124 111 of his works here; many weird watercolours!

https://www.wikiart.org/en/william-blake

Including, given today's theme...
https://tinyurl.com/mr3wef8j

Archangel Raphael with Adam and Eve
William Blake
Date: 1808
Style: Symbolism
Genre: religious painting
Media: watercolor
Dimensions: 50 x 40 cm

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:06 AM (krqg6)

125 Joe Donnell, who rescued then-9-year-old Paxton Knight from a submerged truck, is to be the recipient of the Carnegie Medal — an award offered to extraordinary heroes risking their lives to help others.

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 10:08 AM (RHGPo)

126 I'm at the DMV. There is a dragon sitting in front of me.

Posted by: fd at October 02, 2023 10:08 AM (NkNCg)

127 I watched a very short video on the evolution of gay and lesbian Neanderthals. It didn't seem to go anywhere and ended abruptly.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at October 02, 2023 10:09 AM (8nPz7)

128
Hannibal is horrible shit. One of the worst cases of the author impugning his own characters I have seen.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 02, 2023


***
True. I don't have a copy of it on my shelves.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:09 AM (J2vNu)

129 In the words of Kurt Vonnegut ... "People keep finding things in my books that I never wrote into them"
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Once published, the books are out of your hands, Kurt. And the act of observing what is written changes the meaning each time the words are read. Also, readers can be a little nuts.

Posted by: The Observer Effect at October 02, 2023 10:09 AM (m3fzK)

130 Paxton Knight is an awesome name. He better go on to be a superhero, or secret agent, or something

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:10 AM (ScR16)

131 I'm at the DMV. There is a dragon sitting in front of me.

Out: Breathing fire

In: Sorry you need to submit form 17A Schedule B in this line. You can go to the back of THAT line to get it. NEXT

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 10:11 AM (XqcwY)

132 Whoa... Looks like a Monday morning....I see I have a new Senator.. LaPhoney or something... Just a question... Are all Black female politicians lesbian ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2023 10:11 AM (bs+z0)

133 How do you make a dragon suffer?

Make them work at the DMV.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:11 AM (5WZCt)

134 Puff the magic dragon lived by the sea...

Eating people and burning lands he he he...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 10:12 AM (XqcwY)

135 I'm at the DMV. There is a dragon sitting in front of me.
Posted by: fd at October 02, 2023 10:08 AM (NkNCg)


What kind of car does a dragon drive?

Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 10:12 AM (G2KPu)

136 So how much money did Butler give to Gruesome Newsome?

There has to be a Blago angle.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:13 AM (5WZCt)

137 This drawing sucks. The dragon doesn't even have a beefy arm!

Posted by: Strong Bad at October 02, 2023 10:13 AM (XqcwY)

138 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 10:12 AM (G2KPu)

BATMOBILE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 10:13 AM (pVWRI)

139 NGU

Enjoying your first Monday away from the Read Admiral?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:14 AM (5WZCt)

140 132 It's a way of immunizing yhem for deserved criticism of their low information/high hate positions on everything. It's simply a tactic.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at October 02, 2023 10:14 AM (8nPz7)

141 In: Sorry you need to submit form 17A Schedule B in this line. You can go to the back of THAT line to get it. NEXT
Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 10:11 AM (XqcwY)------
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Don't forget the 27B stroke 6.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:14 AM (ScR16)

142 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 10:12 AM (G2KPu)

ANY. KIND. IT. WANTS.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 02, 2023 10:14 AM (N3zMI)

143 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift

Firebird

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 10:15 AM (2yUKc)

144 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 10:12 AM (G2KPu)

A Dragon Wagon

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 10:15 AM (OgrpQ)

145 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 10:12 AM (G2KPu)

1976 Ford Pinto

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 10:16 AM (OgrpQ)

146 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 [[

***
A Fiero!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:16 AM (J2vNu)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:16 AM (J2vNu)

148 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift

A Ford Pinto.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 02, 2023 10:16 AM (Ja3qS)

149 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody) @AOCpressTwo 2h
When I saw Gavin Newsom appointed a black female lesbian to the Senate, I automatically knew she was qualified.

Thank you Gavin for not considering race, gender, or sexual preference in your choice.

This is what equality looks like.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:16 AM (krqg6)

150 Firebird
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 02, 2023 10:15 AM (2yUKc)
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Fun fact: the Firebird driven by Darryl Hannah in "Kill Bill" was her own car.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:17 AM (ScR16)

151 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. Cartoon or art? You decide.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 10:17 AM (uSHSS)

152 I love Blake, who was a messed-up dude, but whose madness resulted in some really excellent poetry & art. Would definitely hang anything of his.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 02, 2023 10:17 AM (W+kMI)

153 This was in that movie, right?

Would not paint on the side of my Free Candy van.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 02, 2023 10:18 AM (aD39U)

154 exdem13

Did you catch the first four episodes of Frieren or the first of Shangri-La Frontier on Crunchyroll yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:19 AM (5WZCt)

155 I am skipping politics threads today, but since this is an art thread, I can comment. Blake was a strange guy and I don't like all of his works, but he had some really interesting stuff and I like his poetry a lot. An excellent biography about him is by Peter Ackroyd who has written a number of biographies. One thing I liked about him was the great devotion between he and his wife who thought him a genius but who herself was illiterate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2023 10:19 AM (0ZsQR)

156 137 This drawing sucks. The dragon doesn't even have a beefy arm!
Posted by: Strong Bad at October 02, 2023 10:13 AM (XqcwY)

I said consummate Vs! Consummate! Consummate!

Posted by: Burninatin the countryside at October 02, 2023 10:19 AM (lR6tR)

157 I think we're going to have a rough week.

It's an interesting painting and I appreciate the symbolism, I think, but wouldn't hang it.

Thanks.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 02, 2023 10:19 AM (GshMh)

158 My best experience at the DMV was during Covid, when I had to get new tags for my license plate. I had to make an appointment. When I went in there, there were only about five other customers at most. I was shown which socially-distanced chair to sit in to wait, but I didn't have to wait long because there was so little going on. When I was called, I went up to the window, paid the $5 or whatever it was for the new tags, and was out of there. The whole visit took maybe 15 minutes, tops.

I could stand those protocols being reinstated. But just for the DMV.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:20 AM (xTRSc)

159 Tonight's Powerball jackpot annuity is over $1 billion.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:20 AM (5WZCt)

160
I said consummate Vs! Consummate! Consummate!

Posted by: Burninatin the countryside at October 02, 2023 10:19 AM (lR6tR)


That guy wouldn't know majesty if it came up and bit him in the face....

Posted by: Strong Bad at October 02, 2023 10:21 AM (XqcwY)

161 Vivek Ramaswamy: A Warning From History (maybe 1 minute)

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0UVGNStMc6o

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 10:21 AM (FVME7)

162 18. "...either they'll grow up strong or you'll be paying for years of analysis."

Posted by: Archer at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM

Same as attending public school.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 02, 2023 10:21 AM (GshMh)

163 One thing I liked about him was the great devotion between he and his wife who thought him a genius but who herself was illiterate.


Supposedly, his wife once said, "I have very little of Mr. Blake's company. He is always in paradise."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:21 AM (xTRSc)

164 It was delicious!

Posted by: Francis Dollarhyde at October 02, 2023 10:22 AM (43xH1)

165 What kind of car does a dragon drive?
Posted by: spindrift


Lamborghini Diablo.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 02, 2023 10:22 AM (iupH6)

166 This drawing sucks. The dragon doesn't even have a beefy arm!
Posted by: Strong Bad at October 02, 2023 10:13 AM (XqcwY)

I said consummate Vs! Consummate! Consummate!
Posted by: Burninatin the countryside at October 02, 2023 10:19 AM (lR6tR)
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And the Trogdor comes in the niiiiiIiIIIIiiiiIIIIght!!!!!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:22 AM (ScR16)

167 156 I bet CBD has some ideas on preparing consomme.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:23 AM (xTRSc)

168 I bet CBD has some ideas on preparing consomme.

No maple syrup!

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:23 AM (5WZCt)

169 VoteVets Tweet: President Biden and Democrats will always fight for democracy and freedom, over authoritarians like Putin.We stood with Ukraine before the invasion, when it began, and will continue to! Aiding Ukraine saves American lives, who would be called upon to serve if Ukraine falls.

It's Costing Peanuts for the US to Defeat Russia. For 5.6% of the US defense budget, the US through supplying Ukraine has largely destroyed or crippled Putin's military and has destroyed the myth that Russia is a major military power. Plus, a lot of the $$ are actually going to US defense contractors!

That article could have been written by a 1990's Bush era Neocon. Kristol, Daddy Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would be overjoyed. The US should be paying 10 or 20% max... with Europe paying up big.

The left supports Ukraine because we believe in Democracy. Some on the right support Ukraine because it helps further US power in the world by eroding Russian power.

Republicans shut down our government over funding Ukraine. Republicans are friends of authoritarian Russia because Putin helped usher in Trump.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 02, 2023 10:24 AM (JCZqz)

170 Tonight's Powerball jackpot annuity is over $1 billion.
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It would be interesting to see a trend comparing people playing the lottery between 2016-2020 and 2021 until now.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 10:24 AM (8D7Iu)

171 El Diablo?

https://youtu.be/9F6PQG3llas?si=IuOh2901UagUmInb

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at October 02, 2023 10:24 AM (NBVIP)

172 101 BREAKING: Nobel Prize goes to scientists behind "the clot-shot" (AKA mRNA Covid vaccines)

What the Media & Big Pharma Won't Tell You About the Pfizer Clinical Trials: For every life they save by preventing a death from COVID, they are killing four people from cardiac arrest
============
The Nobel Prizes for Literature and Peace have been flagrantly political for years, why stop now?

Posted by: exdem13 at October 02, 2023 10:25 AM (W+kMI)

173 El Diablo?


The word "Diablo" always makes me think of Cake Girl.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:25 AM (xTRSc)

174 Well he's not wrong.

British talking head, "The Kwangtung Army was a bunch of war mongering lunatics."

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:25 AM (5WZCt)

175 Supposedly, his wife once said, "I have very little of Mr. Blake's company. He is always in paradise."
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Or Paradise Lost??

[See #124]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:26 AM (krqg6)

176
I could stand those protocols being reinstated. But just for the DMV.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus


Did you have to wear a mask?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 02, 2023 10:26 AM (63Dwl)

177 GOP fights tooth and nail to maintain its position as a sham opposition party,

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It's a travesty of a sham of a hoax of a fraud!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 10:26 AM (FVME7)

178 It's Costing Peanuts for the US to Defeat Russia. For 5.6% of the US defense budget..

-

Wow.

We're not even in a war and we're giving them over 5% of the defense budget free and clear, with no accountability or expectations.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 10:26 AM (8D7Iu)

179 From Catholic.com re discussion above:

The idea that Mary did not experience the pains of labor is usually deduced from the fact that she was conceived without original sin (CCC 490-493). Since a consequence of original sin is bearing children in pain (Gen. 3:16), it seems fitting that Mary, who was preserved from the stain of original sin, would not experience its consequences.

The Church teaches that Mary’s virginal integrity remained in tact during the birth of Jesus (CCC 499, citing Lumen Gentium 57). It seems to follow, therefore, that she would have been free of labor pains.

One Scripture passage that many have looked to is Isaiah 66:7: “Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.”

Posted by: Iris at October 02, 2023 10:26 AM (n3DL0)

180 Blake was one weird dude!

Blake was centuries ahead of the drug culture.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023 10:27 AM (CnLzB)

181 That article could have been written by a 1990's Bush era Neocon. Kristol, Daddy Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would be overjoyed. The US should be paying 10 or 20% max... with Europe paying up big.
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Trump trolls DU!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:27 AM (krqg6)

182 Since we moved in from out of state, we had to get new drivers licenses, plates and retitle the cars.

The BMV and license bureau here had no lines at all. When we walked in the folks behind the counter said:

"How may I help you?" and smiled!

SMILED!!!

I know, I couldn't believe it either.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 10:27 AM (qoGsy)

183 Did you have to wear a mask?



Probably. I don't remember. But my time there was so brief that I didn't fuss about it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:27 AM (xTRSc)

184 Newsom Picks A Black Lesbian From Maryland To Replace Feinstein

Identity politics and PACs trump Californians' right to representation.

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 10:27 AM (RHGPo)

185 Everybody Kwantung tonight.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 02, 2023 10:27 AM (63Dwl)

186 132 Whoa... Looks like a Monday morning....I see I have a new Senator.. LaPhoney or something... Just a question... Are all Black female politicians lesbian?
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They are now. Black Lesbians have been officially cool among the Woke now for several years. See the recent He-Man fanfic series for one, and other such projects. For the Left, life imitates art.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 02, 2023 10:28 AM (W+kMI)

187 We're not even in a war and we're giving them over 5% of the defense budget free and clear, with no accountability or expectations.

Uke retired bureaucrats need that money more then you do peon.

Posted by: The GOPe at October 02, 2023 10:28 AM (XqcwY)

188 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:21 AM (xTRSc)

I think his wife thought he was touched by God and just accepted his extreme quirkiness.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2023 10:28 AM (gJm12)

189 *waves to Bandersnatch*

Eco-Vandals deface the Brandenburg Gates. Suddenly German forced labor organizations make a lot of sense.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:28 AM (5WZCt)

190 DiFi was a white woman. Shouldn't her replacement be a white woman?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 02, 2023 10:29 AM (63Dwl)

191 The Kevin Smith He-Man fan-fic was bad enough...

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:29 AM (5WZCt)

192 Oh I saw what this painting was right off, it's the 2024 Presidential Election Campaign!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 02, 2023 10:30 AM (i9ffA)

193 Schumer says Fire Island shores washing away from erosion, blames moron in white house

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 10:30 AM (RHGPo)

194 I once saw on a Catholic website that the idea of Mary having labor pains goes against Catholic doctrine, since labor pains were imposed on women as punishment for Eve's sin, but the Virgin Mary was sinless.

I'm not Catholic, so I don't know what the doctrine is. But I saw this on a very conservative Catholic site.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 09:58 AM (xTRSc)

There's no dogma on it afaik. But there is certainly an ancient tradition that it was painless which iirc is at least as old as the protoevangelium of James.

Another side note on Mary's role as regarded by Catholics, the "beloved disciple" in the Book of John is usually also read to be a figurative reference to the audience, beyond also literally being John.

So "When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!”" positions her as a maternal figure for everyone.

We again see the use of Woman, which as I understand is clearer in tongues other than English to be an intentional reference.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 02, 2023 10:30 AM (eYoxG)

195 Bulgar! HistoryMarche has a new video up about your namesake.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:30 AM (ScR16)

196 I hope they tore down the Lee and Stonewall Jackson statues at the Brandenburg Gate while they were at it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:31 AM (xTRSc)

197 William Blake had some weird fetishes.

Good artist and poet though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 02, 2023 10:31 AM (xcxpd)

198 In one more brain glitch, Biden says the Senate elects the House Speaker.

https://shorturl.at/iwU39

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 10:31 AM (mFDK+)

199 Bulgar! HistoryMarche has a new video up about your namesake.



Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:32 AM (xTRSc)

200 Russian legislator suspects US labs’ involvement in strange infections in Ukrainian army

The cases of suspicious infections in the Ukrainian army that are difficult to treat are most probably connected with the operation of US biolaboratories in Ukraine, the deputy speaker of the State Duma, Irina Yarovaya, has said. "The Pentagon’s bio-laboratories in Ukraine are with a high degree of probability the source of infection of Ukrainian soldiers," said Yarovaya, a co-chair of the parliamentary commission for investigating the activities of US laboratories in Ukraine.

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 10:32 AM (RHGPo)

201 PDT talking to the MFM in the courthouse right now.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (krqg6)

202 190 DiFi was a white woman. Shouldn't her replacement be a white woman?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 02, 2023 10:29 AM (63Dwl)

"At least someone from our own state?"
-Californians

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (N39Ws)

203 This is an interesting take on the dragon standing before the woman about to give birth. The dragon looks very strong and intimidating, the woman weak and prone. My first impression is that both the woman and child are going to die. It seems to glorify the dragon and from this vantage, evil must win because good is prone on the ground, unable to resist.

Yet that is not how the story ends,

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (7rzgu)

204 FTX Founder and Democrat Party Bagman, Sam Bankman Fried to start his trial in NYC today. Bet you didn't know that, as the MSM has tried to divert all attention to Trump and the new historic!! lesbian lobbyist senator from Maryland who will represent Californians.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (K7FU5)

205 Reuters, today, an hour ago

Nobel Prizes: Kariko and Weissman, pioneers of COVID vaccine, win medicine award (by Ludwig Burger and Niklas Pollard)


Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (GshMh)

206 "We need somebody that can serve two terms. We need somebody that can win states like Georgia and Arizona, which President Trump cannot do or did not do even though candidates like [John] McCain and [Mitt] Romney had no problem winning those states," - Florida Meatball

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 02, 2023 10:34 AM (l10hq)

207 We again see the use of Woman, which as I understand is clearer in tongues other than English to be an intentional reference.


In one annotated Bible that I have, it says that the term "Woman," as used by Jesus to address May, e.g. at the wedding in Cana, is a term of respect, without the slightly derogatory connotation it might have today.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:34 AM (xTRSc)

208 Yet that is not how the story ends,

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (7rzgu)

She's got a back up in an ankle holster?

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 10:35 AM (AwYPR)

209 Another side note on Mary's role as regarded by Catholics, the "beloved disciple" in the Book of John is usually also read to be a figurative reference to the audience, beyond also literally being John.


I've seen it speculated that the "beloved disciple" could also be Lazarus, though he was not one of the 12.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (xTRSc)

210 Yet that is not how the story ends,
Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at October 02, 2023 10:33 AM (7rzgu)
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Tolkien coined a word for what you described. Eucatastrophe.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (ScR16)

211 PDT decrying local and national corruption, that he's going to clean up.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (krqg6)

212 Rumors have it, black men won't go down on black women.

That leaves the task up to the woman.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (vf0Uk)

213 Bloomberg:

Why a US Recession Is Still Likely — and Coming Soon
The government is staying open for now. But Bloomberg Economics sees risks ahead, from strikes to higher rates and oil prices.

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (RHGPo)

214 Too early for this. Would not hang.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (NxC5+)

215 Yikes, is that the Jeepers Creepers thing?

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (mupln)

216 In one more brain glitch, Biden says the Senate elects the House Speaker.



Would be interesting. House elects majority leader in the senate, senate elects house speaker. And the two of them appoint all cabinet secretaries.

🤣

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 10:36 AM (bWsRe)

217 A Blake and HR Geiger exhibition would be weird.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:37 AM (5WZCt)

218 The BMV and license bureau here had no lines at all. When we walked in the folks behind the counter said:

"How may I help you?" and smiled!

SMILED!!!

I know, I couldn't believe it either.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023


***
Pretty much my experience in suburban Denver in 1997. They even had a satellite office near my work that opened at -- brace yourself -- 7:00 AM!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:37 AM (J2vNu)

219 This hangs in the apartment of Minnie and Roman Castevet

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 02, 2023 10:38 AM (RIvkX)

220 Has CBD ever posted anything by Dore? Blake's art reminds me a lot of Dore's.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:39 AM (xTRSc)

221 Isn't that the thing on the guy's face in Alien?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 10:39 AM (vf0Uk)

222 Blake was one weird dude!

Blake was centuries ahead of the drug culture.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023


***
"Tyger! Tyger! Burning bright
In the forests of the night --"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:39 AM (J2vNu)

223 This hangs in the apartment of Minnie and Roman Castevet
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 02, 2023


***
In the secret closet with the passageway leading from Rosemary and Guy's place.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:40 AM (J2vNu)

224 Nope. Demonic. All the nope. Would not hang.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 10:40 AM (qPw5n)

225 Time for the horde to read up on Revelation. It's like finding out 'the butler did it'.

Posted by: look whats not at October 02, 2023 10:41 AM (nakGR)

226 It reminds me a little of a Danzig album cover.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (iupH6)

227 This hangs in the apartment of Minnie and Roman Castevet
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 02, 2023

***
In the secret closet with the passageway leading from Rosemary and Guy's place.

--

As long as you eat the "chocolate mouse," you won't notice it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (mupln)

228 Or Paradise Lost??


Interesting fact about Milton. Apparently, he was an Arian -- that is, he believed that the Son was a later creation of, and thus subordinate to, the Father.

I love Paradise Lost, I but I think it's lost some luster for me since I found that out.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (xTRSc)

229 "The BMV and license bureau here had no lines at all. When we walked in the folks behind the counter said:

"How may I help you?" and smiled!

SMILED!!!

I know, I couldn't believe it either.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 "

You're in TN right? This gives me hope for my upcoming visit to get a TN driver's license.

Posted by: Tuna at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (oaGWv)

230 This is the back cover of my book Crystal Embers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 10:43 AM (LvTSG)

231 Would hang.
On the target board at the range.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 10:43 AM (uSHSS)

232 Great album cover.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 02, 2023 10:44 AM (VwHCD)

233 You're in TN right? This gives me hope for my upcoming visit to get a TN driver's license.

Posted by: Tuna at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (oaGWv)



He's in rural mid-east Tennessee.

Your experience may vary in Nashville or Memphis.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 10:45 AM (4/GJJ)

234 *waves at Puma*

I've been offline a few days and the German papers have nothing. What happened at the Brandenburg Gate?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023 10:45 AM (CnLzB)

235 You're in TN right? This gives me hope for my upcoming visit to get a TN driver's license.
Posted by: Tuna

Yes! They ended the conversation with "Welcome to Tennessee."

Just like America use to be - amazing.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 10:45 AM (qoGsy)

236 I've been offline a few days and the German papers have nothing. What happened at the Brandenburg Gate?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023 10:45 AM (CnLzB)
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Apparently, it was vandalized by eco-nuts.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:46 AM (ScR16)

237 I've been offline a few days and the German papers have nothing. What happened at the Brandenburg Gate?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023


***
The Chancellor lost her key?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 10:46 AM (J2vNu)

238 We need somebody that can serve two terms. We need somebody that can win states like Georgia and Arizona

--

?

He won both in a landslide. IIRC Georgia was won with 11K votes, and there were 17K votes found in one county alone that had no chain of custody or documentation. Made up out of whole cloth.

Arizona had 30K+ votes from illegal aliens (maybe just Maricopa County alone), and IIRC the state was won by 17K votes.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 10:46 AM (8D7Iu)

239 We owe him awe

Posted by: Tooth Fairy at October 02, 2023 10:47 AM (PXj64)

240 The Eco-Terrorists decided to paint the columns to protest 'climate change.' The price tag to clean the sandstone keeps rising.

14 have been arrested and the investigation continues apace.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2023 10:47 AM (5WZCt)

241 John MacArthur's annotation on the authorship of John

Instead, the author prefers to identify himself as the disciple “whom Jesus loved” (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20). The absence of any mention of John’s name directly is remarkable when one considers the important part played by other named disciples in this Gospel. Yet, the recurring designation of himself as the disciple “whom Jesus loved,” a deliberate avoidance by John of his personal name, reflects his humility and celebrates his relation to his Lord Jesus. No mention of his name was necessary since his original readers clearly understood that he was the Gospel’s author. Also, through a process of elimination based primarily on analyzing the material in chs. 20–21, this disciple “whom Jesus loved” narrows down to the apostle John (e.g., 21:24; cf. 21:2). Since the Gospel’s author is exacting in mentioning the names of other characters in the book, if the author had been someone other than John the apostle, he would not have omitted John’s name.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 10:47 AM (5iCZZ)

242 Brandonburger = shit sandwich

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:47 AM (xTRSc)

243 161 Vivek Ramaswamy: A Warning From History (maybe 1 minute)

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0UVGNStMc6o
=====
Watched that video. I can't unsee the resemblance now. MAGA 2024

Posted by: exdem13 at October 02, 2023 10:47 AM (W+kMI)

244 The next tim I renew DL I will probably have to do it in person. Since at that point they'll consider me 'elderly'. Ha. One of my instructor pilots back in 72 was 80. Elderly my butt.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (NxC5+)

245 Why a US Recession Is Still Likely — and Coming Soon

--

o_O

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (8D7Iu)

246 What happened at the Brandenburg Gate?
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Orange [IIRC] paint.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (krqg6)

247 o_O
------------
"Likely"

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (krqg6)

248 Interesting to note that John didn't use his name out of humility, but did say he was the one Jesus loved.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (5iCZZ)

249 228 Or Paradise Lost??


Interesting fact about Milton. Apparently, he was an Arian -- that is, he believed that the Son was a later creation of, and thus subordinate to, the Father.

I love Paradise Lost, I but I think it's lost some luster for me since I found that out.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (xTRSc)

Arianism is why the Latin/western Church has the filioque. Which while stressed as a difference that contributed to the Great Schism, I think is overexaggerated. Practically speaking the events look a lot more like the Anglican Church, issues with Byzantine emperors deposing and appointing their own patriarchs.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (eYoxG)

250 Orange [IIRC] paint.


Orange paint bad!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:49 AM (xTRSc)

251 Drugs

Posted by: SFGoth at October 02, 2023 10:49 AM (KAi1n)

252 As long as you eat the "chocolate mouse," you won't notice it.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (mupln)

Now with more chalky undertaste!

Posted by: What have you done to my dessert you MANIACS!!?? at October 02, 2023 10:49 AM (lR6tR)

253 Student loan repayment is supposed to resume today...I anticipate much whining.

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 10:50 AM (AwYPR)

254 Housing is not expensive relative to incomes. It’s a myth propagated by millenials who live in San Francisco. And yeah sorry kids you're not buying a house there unless you hit the stock option lottery. For the rest of the country, housing is affordable.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 09:15 AM (bWsRe
---
You are insanely out of touch.
Even as a national average, since the 70s, house prices have tripled to near quadrupled.
Wages over that same span, have barely doubled.

That's the average--counting those houses in Nowhere.
Price a 2,000 sqft house in Houston or Nashville and tell me how someone on the average salary can buy that and raise kids.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 10:50 AM (WxSX0)

255 Drugs
Posted by: SFGoth at October 02, 2023


***
So?

Posted by: Wm. Blake at October 02, 2023 10:51 AM (J2vNu)

256 161 Vivek Ramaswamy: A Warning From History (maybe 1 minute)


The writer's have been on strike.

Lots of reruns.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 10:51 AM (4/GJJ)

257 Even as a national average, since the 70s, house prices have tripled to near quadrupled.
Wages over that same span, have barely doubled.




Median household income in 1975 was $13k. It’s $70k today. I’d say incomes have more than “barely doubled” since the 70s.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 10:52 AM (bWsRe)

258 Interesting to note that John didn't use his name out of humility, but did say he was the one Jesus loved.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (5iCZZ)

Yeah, got a cousin that says he was Grandma's fave grandchild.

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 10:52 AM (AwYPR)

259 Interesting to note that John didn't use his name out of humility, but did say he was the one Jesus loved.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (5iCZZ)


Time to catch up on the gnostics. That was Mary Magdalene.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023 10:52 AM (CnLzB)

260 AOC is smart! Not like they say she is, stupid!?

Breaking911
@Breaking911
AOC: "I vociferously disagree with any assertion that progressivism is somehow incompatible with fiscal responsibility."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (FVME7)

261 So?
Posted by: Wm. Blake

I wasn't disapproving, just noting.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (KAi1n)

262 257 Median household income in 1975 was $13k. It’s $70k today. I’d say incomes have more than “barely doubled” since the 70s.
Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 10:52 AM (bWsRe)

=======

Median house price in 1970 was $17,000. It's now over $300,000.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (LvTSG)

263 Arianism is why the Latin/western Church has the filioque. Which while stressed as a difference that contributed to the Great Schism, I think is overexaggerated. Practically speaking the events look a lot more like the Anglican Church, issues with Byzantine emperors deposing and appointing their own patriarchs.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 02, 2023


It was a lot of things. I think a lot of it boils down to differences in language and culture, and the Patriarchs' refusal to acknowledge the primacy of the Pope.

When the Reformation got underway, a lot of Protestants thought that they could make common cause with the Orthodox, and, indeed there was one Patriarch of Constantinople, Cyril Lukaris, who is sometimes called the "Protestant Patriarch" because he was so sympathetic to their views. But, in general, the Protestants wildly overestimated the support their views enjoyed in the Orthodox world.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (xTRSc)

264 Probably already mentioned: all I can think of when I see that is the Hannibal Lector movie where Ralph Fines has that tattooed on his back, and he dramatically displays it to one of his victims right before killing him. It's freaky AF.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (izj35)

265 Fenelon!!!

The Babylon Bee @TheBabylonBee 19h
Church Elder Pulls Fire Alarm To Delay Vote On New Carpet
buff.ly/46adAXx

/joke

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:54 AM (krqg6)

266 Jamal Bowman School for the Gifted.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 02, 2023 10:54 AM (63Dwl)

267 As long as you eat the "chocolate mouse," you won't notice it.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 02, 2023
*
Now with more chalky undertaste!
Posted by: What have you done to my dessert you MANIACS!!?? at October 02, 2023


***
It's funny. I read that novel way back when it first came out in paperback, and (not being an SF or fantasy fan much then) was sort of disappointed in it. My mother found it horrible. A decade or more later I reread it, and appreciated Ira Levin's writing style, his portrait of mid-Sixties Manhattan, how he skilfully worked both big things and small into the narrative, and his handling of Rosemary's dreams. Those not only unsettle us, but give us crucial information about the plot forming around her.

Posted by: Wm. Blake at October 02, 2023 10:54 AM (J2vNu)

268 Common sense orange paint control NOW!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (tjClK)

269 Median household income in 1975 was $13k. It’s $70k today. I’d say incomes have more than “barely doubled” since the 70s.

.....

The average home price in 1975 was $39,000.

The average home sale in 2023 in $416,000.

So while income (now more often with two working adults) has increased 5 fold, housing prices have increased 10 fold.



Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (4/GJJ)

270 A day for weeping.

NBC News
@NBCNews
Student loan payments restart today, forcing borrowers to take on more debt and put off saving for retirement

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (FVME7)

271 Hunter? Is that you?

Posted by: creeper at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (cTCuP)

272
Median household income in 1975 was $13k. It’s $70k today. I’d say incomes have more than “barely doubled” since the 70s.
Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 10:52 AM (bWsRe)

You aren't accounting for inflation. Per the BLS CPI calculator $13,000 in 1975 had the same buying power as $76,609.17 today. So no, in terms of buying power no doubling. It's been essentially stagnant.

Posted by: You're way off at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (lR6tR)

273 Verily, the No Maths Rule is a dead letter.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 02, 2023 10:57 AM (N3zMI)

274 The average home price in 1975 was $39,000.
------
Is that a current dollar amount, or a 1975 dollar amount?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 02, 2023 10:58 AM (ScR16)

275 Is that a current dollar amount, or a 1975 dollar amount?

.....

It's whatever Google spit out.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 10:58 AM (4/GJJ)

276 274: 1975 dollar amount.

This comes from a fridge magnet. 😎

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 02, 2023 10:58 AM (8sMut)

277 Pull a fire alarm, there better be a fire or somebody's getting cuffed and carried.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2023 10:59 AM (NxC5+)

278 This was posted at the end of the last thread

Sliders, charts, all kinds of good stuff.

dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 10:59 AM (8D7Iu)

279 259 Interesting to note that John didn't use his name out of humility, but did say he was the one Jesus loved.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 10:48 AM (5iCZZ)

Time to catch up on the gnostics. That was Mary Magdalene.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 02, 2023 10:52 AM (CnLzB)

*Heresy detected*
*Dispatching the Ordos*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (xcxpd)

280 Pull a fire alarm, there better be a fire or somebody's getting cuffed and carried.
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2023 10:59 AM (NxC5+)

Unless it's black Democrat

Posted by: Unqualified immunity at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (lR6tR)

281 NOOD Rant

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (qPw5n)

282 Median house price in 1970 was $17,000. It's now over $300,000.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (LvTSG)

Let’s compare apples to apples.

In 1970 median HH income was $8730 (per census). Median house price (per census) was $23,400. So about a 3:1 ratio. Today the ratio is 4-5:1. So yeah more expensive relatively speaking but not as much as some would suggest.


Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (bWsRe)

283 Noodus throckmortonii

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (J2vNu)

284 That stat was from this chart from US HUD.

https://tinyurl.com/3fv2p4cn

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (4/GJJ)

285 1960

Median house price $11.9k
Median househould income $5.6k
Ratio: 2.1

2020
Median house price $330k
Median househould income $67.5k
Ratio: 4.9

So the cost of a house compared to salary has more then doubled in real dollars

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (XqcwY)

286 263
It was a lot of things. I think a lot of it boils down to differences in language and culture, and the Patriarchs' refusal to acknowledge the primacy of the Pope.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:53 AM (xTRSc)

The initial schism(Photian) and ones thereafter started with the Patriarch of Constantinople being replaced by the Emperor.

The primacy of the Pope is less disputed in early years, it is ecumenical councils that gradually elevated Constantinople, with the specific canons themselves being hotly contested.

Power struggles between different levels of the Church aren't that unusual and don't get as much mention in the histories. The East tended to view the Roman Empire as the Kingdom of God, with the Emperor as its living head, which is now a dead narrative. The modern accounting of the conflict is in my view anachronistic, mostly taking the Ottoman controlled Patriarch's position at face value.

Russian Orthodoxy's narrative is itself quite a bit different.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (eYoxG)

287 >>@NBCNews
Student loan payments restart today, forcing borrowers to take on more debt and put off saving for retirement


"forcing"

Love how they never trace this back to the job market "forcing" people to have a college degree (HR tool to weed out job applicants), politicians insisting that "everyone go to college!(tm)," colleges for decades raising their tuition rates far above the rate of inflation (far exceed their value in most cases) that has been enabled by the government getting into student loans, etc.

These burdensome college loans didn't just magically happen - a lot of things have made this the norm, up to and including students willingly getting them.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (izj35)

288 Or Paradise Lost??


Interesting fact about Milton. Apparently, he was an Arian -- that is, he believed that the Son was a later creation of, and thus subordinate to, the Father.

I love Paradise Lost, I but I think it's lost some luster for me since I found that out.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:42 AM (xTRSc)

If he was, it doesn't show up in his text. Jesus is a badass in Paradise Lost.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (xcxpd)

289 You aren't accounting for inflation. Per the BLS CPI calculator $13,000 in 1975 had the same buying power as $76,609.17 today. So no, in terms of buying power no doubling. It's been essentially stagnant.
Posted by: You're way off at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (lR6tR)

You’ve proven my point. Purchasing power is no worse today than then.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (bWsRe)

290 265 Fenelon!!!

The Babylon Bee @TheBabylonBee 19h
Church Elder Pulls Fire Alarm To Delay Vote On New Carpet
buff.ly/46adAXx

/joke
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 10:54 AM (krqg6)
***

School principal pulls fire alarm to get a head start on the weekend.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:02 AM (uSHSS)

291 220 Has CBD ever posted anything by Dore? Blake's art reminds me a lot of Dore's.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 10:39 AM

He's an artist, too? I've seen Jimmy Dore's YouTube, but had no idea he was so multi-talented.

Posted by: Confused Moron at October 02, 2023 11:02 AM (JCZqz)

292 2020
Median house price $330k
Median househould income $67.5k
Ratio: 4.9


Oh and as of 2023 that has jumped to $416k...but remember inflation is 7% or something.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:04 AM (XqcwY)

293 289 You aren't accounting for inflation. Per the BLS CPI calculator $13,000 in 1975 had the same buying power as $76,609.17 today. So no, in terms of buying power no doubling. It's been essentially stagnant.
Posted by: You're way off at October 02, 2023 10:56 AM (lR6tR)

You’ve proven my point. Purchasing power is no worse today than then.
Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (bWsRe)

That wasn't what you said. You said salaries had more than doubled, scorning someone for suggesting otherwise, using raw numbers instead of inflation-adjusted numbers. You can't even keep your lies straight when they're in print. LOL

Posted by: You're a joke dude at October 02, 2023 11:04 AM (lR6tR)

294 Would hang.
Posted by: The Tooth Fairy at October 02, 2023 09:33 AM


Not cool, man. Not. Cool.

Posted by: Freddie Lounds at October 02, 2023 11:04 AM (aQy7p)

295 I see that the usual asshats are claiming that New York's flooding of this past Friday was "unprecedented" and all caused by "climate change."

This is of course b******* so here is a good link to throw into Faceplant if you see people pushing this stupidity. It goes to the National Weather Service and is a list of major floods in Albany New York. Starting in 1857.

Refutation. It's a wonderful thing.

weather.gov/aly/MajorFloods

Posted by: Beverly at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (Epeb0)

296 Median inflation adjusted for 2023 salary 2020: $78050
1980, inflation adjusted median salary: $64296

Median house price adjusted Oct 2020: $345,015
Median house price adjusted Oct 1980: $210,476

$135k more for a house but you're only making $12k more a year.

JuSt sAVe moor Money, DumMy!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (WxSX0)

297 Housing is not expensive relative to incomes. It’s a myth propagated by millenials who live in San Francisco. And yeah sorry kids you're not buying a house there unless you hit the stock option lottery. For the rest of the country, housing is affordable.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 09:15 AM (bWsRe
---
You are insanely out of touch.
Even as a national average, since the 70s, house prices have tripled to near quadrupled.
Wages over that same span, have barely doubled.

That's the average--counting those houses in Nowhere.
Price a 2,000 sqft house in Houston or Nashville and tell me how someone on the average salary can buy that and raise kids.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 10:50 AM (WxSX0)

Paid $39,000 for our three bedroom ranch with full basement, 1/2 acre corner lot in 1974. Was offered $365,000 for it just recently. We're staying in place.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (Zvtjl)

298 Morning.

Freakin' sweet! I was just watching Red Dragon the other night and thought it would be pretty cool if this was posted in the Art Thread.

Thanks for reading my mind, CBD!

Would hang.

Posted by: Robert at October 02, 2023 12:10 PM (VBJYT)

299 Molecular acid.

Posted by: clams on the half shell and roller skates, roller skates at October 02, 2023 12:17 PM (kvDvI)

300 In the book Red Dragon, Dolarhyde, the killer, goes to the museum in NYC and tries to eat this painting (if I recall).
Starts tearing pieces off and stuffing it into his mouth.

Posted by: Landru at October 02, 2023 02:09 PM (mEYVq)

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