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MORNING RANT: The UAW Strike Is a Proxy War Regarding “The EV Transition” Between Eco-Leftist Auto Executives and Traditional Labor Unionists

Clown Car Burning - The EV Transition.JPG

The old left is battling the new left as the UAW has launched a strike against the Big Three auto manufacturers.

“UAW strikes at GM, Ford, Stellantis plants after no new contract reached” [Fox Business – 9/15/2023]

There was once a time when I would have been aligned with management for a variety of principled economic reasons, but with the executive suites of US auto companies now full of radical leftists who see their role as being extra-governmental agents whose role is to help install a global eco-communist order, they’ve lost me. My principles do not require me to support any party, company, or principle that will result in a loss of my liberty.

This battle between the United Auto Workers and the Big Three auto executives is effectively a proxy war between those of us who wish for a future with gas-powered cars and those who want a future with electric vehicles only. The autoworkers’ future depends on survival of gasoline vehicles powered by internal combustion engines (“ICE”.

Unfortunately, the UAW’s leadership has done terrible harm to the rank and file by continuing to aid and abet Democrats, who in turn are seeking to destroy the traditional American auto business by legislating it away with EV mandates. And remember, the ultimate goal of “the EV transition” is not to get people out of ICE vehicles, it’s to eliminate mass-market car ownership altogether. There is no future for auto workers in the world the left is trying to take us to.

But finally, there is some awakening among the UAW and its leadership that there is no place for them in the green new future of the American left.

“United Auto Workers 'feel abandoned' by Democratic Party, former union president says; Former UAW president says President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act failed union workers” [Fox News – 9/14/2023]

Just a reminder - the “Inflation Reduction Act” that failed America’s union workers was really the Green New Deal, and had nothing to do with inflation.

United Auto Workers (UAW) members feel as though the Democratic Party abandoned them, a former president of the union said ahead of a potential strike.

"I think there’s a segment of the Democratic Party that sees itself as serving corporations rather than the common good.… We’ve had a lot of disappointments," King said.

To be fair, that faction of the Democratic Party that is “serving corporations“ is actually in service to corporate agents of Klaus Schwab and the anti-humanity tyrants at the World Economic Forum.

As to the specifics of the union’s demands, a 36% pay increase over the next five years is not that outrageous, considering the double-digit inflation that shows no sign of abating, and which has eaten away at so much consumer purchasing power. (I’m talking about actual inflation, not the fabricated inflation rate published by the Department of Labor.) What amounts to 7% yearly wage hikes does not keep up with Biden’s inflation, and since the Big Three auto companies are such cheerleaders for Biden and his radical policies, the least they can do is offer their employees wages to keep up.

As for the 32-hour work week, of course that is preposterous. I hope it’s just a negotiating ploy. In fact, this embodies why I have been so frustrated with unions over the years. I don’t mind them seeking to maximize pay and benefits for those who are engaged in labor. It’s the unions’ efforts to seek pay and benefits for those who are not engaged in labor that is ultimately so self-destructive to organized labor.

That said, gas-powered cars manufactured by union labor are extremely profitable, and are subsidizing the great EV debacle which has become an all-consuming distraction for the leadership of Ford and GM.

“Ford expects to bleed $4.5 billion on electric cars this year, but it makes enough on everything else that it might not matter” [Fortune – 7/28/2023]

Ford is forecasting that its electric vehicle division will lose $4.5 billion this year, the U.S. automaker announced on Thursday. The division, called “Ford Model e,” has already shed about $1.8 billion in 2023 so far.

This loss amounts to over $32,000 per EV sold in Q2 2023. So the paradox is that Ford’s sustainable green leadership wants to become a company that primarily manufactures EVs, but the EV folly is a bottomless money pit, for which Ford needs its ICE cars to subsidize.

Then there is the issue of executive pay…

I once defended (or at least made excuses for) excessive compensation of corporate executives, so long as their companies were successful, and because I could safely assume that they were pro-business, pro-prosperity, pro-America, and anti-communist. In other words, I supported them with the understanding that they were on my team.

But the current crop of executives are mostly obedient servants of the communists at the World Economic Forum, seeking to assist in the destruction of western civilization. They loot once-great companies that others before them built, and redistribute equity from shareholders to themselves, oftentimes while producing staggering losses.

Let’s look at Jim Farley, who as CEO of Ford is aggressively destroying the company. He’s also doing what is normal for executives aboard a sinking corporate ship – grabbing as much for himself while he still can.

“Here's how much Ford CEO Jim Farley made last year” [The Detroit News – 3/31/2023]

Ford Motor Co. CEO Jim Farley received nearly $21 million in total compensation in 2022…

The total compensation package that Farley, 60, earned last year included a base salary of $1.7 million, $15.1 million in stock awards, and nearly $2.8 million in bonuses. He received nearly $1.4 million worth of other compensation in the form of perks like the use of private aircraft and company vehicles.

That marked a 93% increase from 2020, when he became CEO.

A 93% increase over two years for the CEO seems a lot more excessive than the 36% over five years being requested by the rank and file.

With that level of compensation, you’d think Farley is printing money for Ford. Well, you’d be wrong…he is losing billions of dollars.

In a letter to shareholders, Bill Ford Jr. acknowledged that 2022 financial results, which included a $2 billion net loss, "did not meet our high expectations."

So why is Farley receiving almost $18 million in bonuses and awards for hemorrhaging cash (due to his EV missteps) and for not meeting expectations?

Take a look at this quote from Mr. Farley on CNBC: ”There’s no way we can be sustainable as a company,” says Ford CEO Jim Farley if they paid what the UAW is demanding.”

Farley CNBC no way sustainable as comapny.JPG

There’s also no way Ford can be sustainable as a company with a CEO who is losing $4.5 billion to produce unwanted, fairy-tale vehicles that lose $32k per unit.

Farley has no moral authority to criticize his labor force for seeking wages to keep up with Bidenflation while he is looting the company and re-allocating the company’s equity from shareholders to himself.

If auto manufacturers can’t afford to pay higher wages that keep up with inflation, then they can’t afford obscene executive pay.

One last thing about outrageous executive compensation, many people make the point that it is in the form of stock options, so it’s not actually costing the company money. Correct. It’s actually taking the equity from stockholders and redistributing it to executives. If this is such a benign, zero-cost form of compensation, why not just give every assembly worker a $1 million stock award too?

In this blue-on-blue battle between organized labor and globalist eco-communists, I favor the side that is currently the least threat to me, which is labor.

If this is in fact a proxy war over the future of gas-powered cars, I enthusiastically side with the auto workers. Senators Hawley and Vance represent my view.

‘Stupid Climate Mandates’: GOP Senators Voice Support for Auto Workers’ Strike [DC Enquirer – 9/15/2023]

The UAW modified its wage demands to a 36% increase over five years, Bloomberg reported, but was still unable to reach a deal.

Republican Senators Josh Hawley of Missouri and J.D. Vance of Ohio both released statements on Twitter expressing support for the workers and criticizing President Joe Biden’s green agenda.

“Auto workers deserve a raise – and they deserve to have their jobs protected from Joe Biden’s stupid climate mandates that are destroying the US auto industry and making China rich,” Hawley said in a Twitter statement on Friday.

“Every dime the auto industry is spending on Joe Biden’s radical climate mandates should be spent on workers.” Hawley tweeted.

“Rooting for the auto workers across our country demanding higher wages and an end to political leadership’s green war on their industry,” Vance said in a Friday statement on Twitter. “Random fact: Ford loses about $32,000 on each EV they sell. These things, even with the subsidies, are massive cost centers for the American car industry. Think gas powered cars are expensive? That’s in part because you’re subsidizing Joe Biden’s donors.”

I’ll become a vocal defender of corporate management again when they become loyal Americans again, rather than radical climatistas in service to an anti-American, anti-freedom agenda.

To the auto workers who are in battle against the eco-globalist destructors that have infested the executive suites of America’s auto manufacturers, I wish you Godspeed.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM




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1 FIRST!

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:00 AM (N1DT3)

2 (Looked down and saw the clock and ran over here!)

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:00 AM (N1DT3)

3 nd!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 11:00 AM (FVJNG)

4 Bugger.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 11:01 AM (FVJNG)

5 There was once a time when I would have been aligned with management for a variety of principled economic reasons, but with the executive suites of US auto companies now full of radical leftists who see their role as being extra-governmental agents whose role is to help install a global eco-communist order, they’ve lost me.


I'm voting for body counts on both sides.
F unions but F management too.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:02 AM (5apCz)

6 Anybody seen an F-35?

Posted by: The United States Marine Corps! at September 18, 2023 11:02 AM (2tUFv)

7 So...unions discovering the dems.arenr such heros afterall.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2023 11:02 AM (uSHSS)

8 And remember, the ultimate goal of “the EV transition” is not to get people out of ICE vehicles, it’s to eliminate mass-market car ownership altogether. There is no future for auto workers in the world the left is trying to take us to.

Comrade, in your 15m city why would you need to have or even use a car? You can already walk anyway you are allowed to go to.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:02 AM (XqcwY)

9 Go long on popcorn 🍿 futures

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2023 11:02 AM (/aIEN)

10 I'm here at ground zero for the strike and while I think the demands are unreasonable, the reasoning behind the demands are not.


How? The big 3 have been giving UNREASONABLE compensation to their CEOs, so the UAW wants the same for it's members.

I think BOTH are unreasonable, but the automakers are insane and driving their companies to destruction, with the cheering (and commands) of the U.S. Government.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (N1DT3)

11 Wiilowed:

If you are under 5'5", your pronouns are ima/little/tea/pot.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (5apCz)

12 I'm voting for body counts on both sides.
F unions but F management too.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:02 AM (5apCz)


Concur

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (gmo/4)

13 And I'm offended that anyone would trash a VW bug that way.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (uSHSS)

14 They already make $75:hr plus the most generous benefits and pension known to man. For what? To turn a screwdriver on an assembly line while drunk or on meth. And they want more. Fuck em all. I hope every last one of their jobs goes to Mexico.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (bWsRe)

15 The UAW Strike Is a Proxy War Regarding “The EV Transition” Between Eco-Leftist Auto Executives and Traditional Labor Unionists

can they both lose?

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (oY6Yp)

16 Would have been willowed, but continuing the riff on the USAF from the last thread...

https://youtu.be/KSS6F0eminM?si=yjfMoLUpHaapVRED

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (uFpuF)

17 If this is in fact a proxy war over the future of gas-powered cars, I enthusiastically side with the auto workers. Senators Hawley and Vance represent my view.

Any red states ban EVs yet? Or...even treat them like CA treats guns?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (XqcwY)

18 Fuck those UAW peeps in their squeak holes, and their CEO teams in particular. They've been carrying the water for the democrats for the last 50 years ,and now they're getting what they voted for good and hard.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (YRsIm)

19 Comrade, in your 15m city why would you need to have or even use a car? You can already walk anyway you are allowed to go to.
Posted by: 18-1


1. I'm not walking 81 miles to work every day.
2. If I have to ranch, I'm not hand carrying a 1200 lb cow to market.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (5apCz)

20 The Unions voted for this, when they pressed the (D) button.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (UnA8+)

21 I hope every last one of their jobs goes to Mexico.

Pretty sure Mexico is going to be building flying saucers now...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (XqcwY)

22 They feel betrayed? Lol. Sure. Just like blacks.
Then turn around and voted 99% Democrat.

Spare me.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:05 AM (bWsRe)

23 i read a headline that stated Trump was contemplating Joining the UAW picket line. Good optics?

Rank and file UAW will still vote D, IMO.

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2023 11:05 AM (gmo/4)

24 11 Wiilowed:

If you are under 5'5", your pronouns are ima/little/tea/pot.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (5apCz)

Dwarves were made to be tossed.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 11:05 AM (UnA8+)

25 The idea is to shut down the auto industry, first by pretending that they are going to convert to EV, and then admitting that they are going to shut down the EV lines too.

The senior executives will get government bailouts in the form of "carbon credits", so they won't be harmed.

Abundant meth and fentanyl will be provided to the laid-off auto workers to compensate them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2023 11:06 AM (2tUFv)

26
1. I'm not walking 81 miles to work every day.


Pretty sure they'll just force you to move near your work.

And your office will be in the big blue shithole - so the execs can go front their Penhouses to the office so...you'll get to live in the ghetto.

Just think of the friends you'll get to make on your way home from work! They'll be sleeping when you go to work so that part will be...boring.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:06 AM (XqcwY)

27 The Unions are maybe realizing that they are now expendable?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:07 AM (zZu0s)

28 I am rooting for both to lose. Maybe Mahindra can buy up the shuttered plants, and produce decent cars at affordable prices.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:07 AM (zE3+g)

29 If you are under 5'5", your pronouns are ima/little/tea/pot.

Men on Women under 5'5...aw isn't she cute?

Women on Men under 5'5...who made that sound? I can't see anyone.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:07 AM (XqcwY)

30 A market wage for union work on an assembly line is $12 an hour. They are greedy pigs who have been overpaid for way too long.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:08 AM (bWsRe)

31 Am I the only one who did a double take at 'Stellantis'?

(Fiat/Chrysler)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:08 AM (zZu0s)

32 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2023 11:08 AM (T4tVD)

33 The Unions are maybe realizing that they are now expendable?

Union leadership is like the GOPe leadership - controlled opposition to the junta.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:09 AM (XqcwY)

34 I am rooting for both to lose. Maybe Mahindra can buy up the shuttered plants, and produce decent cars at affordable prices.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


Tata.
I wouldn't mind owning a pair of Tatas.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:09 AM (5apCz)

35 If you are under 5'5", your pronouns are ima/little/tea/pot.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (5apCz)


Who cares if she looks like Lacey Chabert?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2023 11:09 AM (uSHSS)

36 I'm here at ground zero for the strike and while I think the demands are unreasonable, the reasoning behind the demands are not.


How? The big 3 have been giving UNREASONABLE compensation to their CEOs, so the UAW wants the same for it's members.

I think BOTH are unreasonable, but the automakers are insane and driving their companies to destruction, with the cheering (and commands) of the U.S. Government.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (N1DT3)

Oh. Now that I've read the content, that's exactly what you said.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:09 AM (N1DT3)

37 A market wage for union work on an assembly line is $12 an hour. They are greedy pigs who have been overpaid for way too long.
Posted by: Montec


Especially since robots do most of the heavy lifting.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:10 AM (5apCz)

38 headline that stated Trump was contemplating Joining the UAW picket line. Good optics?



Trump has become a true Republican. Help people who hate you and will never vote for you, while ignoring people who like you and vote for you.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:10 AM (bWsRe)

39 “United Auto Workers 'feel abandoned' by Democratic Party..."

Took them a while, but they eventually made it.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 18, 2023 11:10 AM (Rbu5d)

40

A massive “March to End Fossil Fuels” on Sunday attracted people from around the world. The action was endorsed by hundreds of scientists and more than 700 different organizations and brands, including Amnesty International, Ben & Jerry’s, the NAACP, Patagonia, Hip Hop Caucus, Sierra Club, Greenpeace USA, and other green groups. Hollywood’s prominent environmental advocates signed on to support, too, including Jane Fonda and Mark Ruffalo. Senator Ed Markey (D-MA), US Representative Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), and other Democratic lawmakers similarly backed the march and called on Biden to quit approving new fossil fuel projects and declare a climate emergency.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

41 Tata.
I wouldn't mind owning a pair of Tatas.


See? Now you are coming around to my view...

Posted by: Adm Levine at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (XqcwY)

42 The former big 3 are not sustainable unless they refuse to go the EV route. They will not be in business within a decade. It is well past time that corporations get off the government teat and let bureaucrats decide how the business is run.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (lTGtQ)

43 Tata.
I wouldn't mind owning a pair of Tatas.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:09 AM (5apCz)

Very modern of you, rick.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (zZu0s)

44 President Biden treaded carefully Friday as he addressed the decision by United Auto Workers to strike, after about 13,000 autoworkers walked off the job at midnight Friday.

Mr. Biden, who considers himself the most pro-union president in modern history, said he's deploying two of his top administration officials to Detroit to assist with negotiations.


ive always thought that unions, women and immigrants will save this country!

Many MAGA folks are against the strike, calling the workers communists because MAGA was never actually about "America First".

Joe speaks for the working class. They need to bring back their pension. The 401k is only a savings plan. It is part of the three legged stool consisting of Social Security, Pension, and savings.

great now dealers have another reason for insane markups on new cars.

When I was in a union there was a disturbing number of members who would vote Republican against their best interests. Our union leader would try and educate them but it wouldn’t sink in.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (JCZqz)

45 One of my co-workers came into the office today talking about how the university should pay us for 40-hours while only requiring us to work 32 hours. She says "it's better in Europe" and we should be more like them.

It's preposterous of course, and my rebuttals were rather strenuous. I told I'd feel like a thief if we were allowed to work under those conditions. I'd be stealing money from somebody.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (YIVH2)

46 It would be nice if we could import Chinese vehicles.

They are a lot cheaper.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 18, 2023 11:12 AM (IAwid)

47 I still do not understand why anyone buys a UAW made piece of shit in the first place. It’s incredible these companies still exist. I guess rental fleets and police cars?

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:12 AM (bWsRe)

48 STELLLLAAAANNNTTTISSS!!!!

Marlin Brawndo, in "A SHIT CAR NONE DESIRES".



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 18, 2023 11:12 AM (e6UQI)

49 46 It would be nice if we could import Chinese vehicles.

They are a lot cheaper.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 18, 2023 11:12 AM (IAwid)

I think you can buy chinese vehicles on amazon. They come in a box. It's a big box.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:13 AM (zZu0s)

50 Hey UAW, how does it feel to be a foregone conclusion?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2023 11:13 AM (uSHSS)

51 Men on Women under 5'5...aw isn't she cute?

Women on Men under 5'5...who made that sound? I can't see anyone.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:07 AM (XqcwY)

Uhh... average U.S. women's height: 5'4.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:13 AM (N1DT3)

52 "If [any company] can’t afford to pay higher wages that keep up with inflation, then they can’t afford obscene executive pay."

Wait, what?

Posted by: C Suite jockeys everywhere at September 18, 2023 11:13 AM (Rbu5d)

53 ....and other Democratic lawmakers similarly backed the march and called on Biden to quit approving new fossil fuel projects and declare a climate emergency.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2023 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

Talk about a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:14 AM (zE3+g)

54 I wonder if looking at auto execs' pay stubs is what has the rank and file unhappy.

The compensation packages paid to those people to destroy their own companies are obscene.

Posted by: creeper at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (cTCuP)

55 There's evidence that US auto manufacturers are running into an inventory logjam at dealerships. With the average price of a new vehicle near $40k and high(er) interest rates, vehicles aren't selling. There's also a growing backlog of used vehicles fueled by repos.

The manufacturers may benefit from a temporary stoppage in production, at least for a while.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (hCzfy)

56 This whole ceo pay thing is dumb. There is one ceo there are tens of thousands of slobs n the assembly line. Ceo pay as a % of total labor cost is a rounding error.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (bWsRe)

57 1. I'm not walking 81 miles to work every day.
2. If I have to ranch, I'm not hand carrying a 1200 lb cow to market.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (5apCz)
----
Good news on that front.

1) You'll be forcibly relocated to a 15min city at some point.
2) Beef will be outlawed, so you won't have to worry about carrying a 1200-lb cow.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (YIVH2)

58 Autoworkers and Script Writers on Strike. We Are Doomed!

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 18, 2023 11:16 AM (pLaQB)

59 "That said, gas-powered cars manufactured by union labor are extremely profitable, and are subsidizing the great EV debacle which has become an all-consuming distraction for the leadership of Ford and GM."


This is the entire argument. The government demands that the auto makers stop building the products that subsidize their preferred product. This country will look like Cuba in a few years, as the age of gasoline powered vehicles climbs like never before.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 18, 2023 11:16 AM (lTGtQ)

60 I remember when the Teamsters endorsed Reagan. They were done with the Carter economy. I see a day when both the Teamsters and the UAW endorse the Republican 2024 candidate.

Posted by: Java Joe at September 18, 2023 11:16 AM (WaLgG)

61 Big 3 Auto Makers = Soviet Era Tractor Factories.


Read our new five year plan!

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2023 11:16 AM (gmo/4)

62 The slobs on an assembly line make more in a week than the ceo makes in a year. It’s a ridiculous argument to say because a ceo makes x the slobs should make y.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:16 AM (bWsRe)

63 The EV meme, in real life...

https://tinyurl.com/25bkvwws

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2023 11:16 AM (Q4IgG)

64 One of my co-workers came into the office today talking about how the university should pay us for 40-hours while only requiring us to work 32 hours. She says "it's better in Europe" and we should be more like them.


Europeans do get more time off of work.

But they MUCH less then we do AND they pay significantly more in taxes. And I don't think people get how little disposable income normal people in Europe have...for example

Avg Salary in;
US 77K
Germany 59k
UK 54k
Italy 45k
Greece 26k

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (XqcwY)

65 I think my next purchase will likely be a Kia.

My daughter dinged up her Bronco Sport (busted grill, busted radiator, hole in transmission fluid pan).

We are now going on 5 months to do a $7,000 repair because of the wait on parts and the fact that Ford has to reset their factory codes and even the Ford dealership can't seem to do it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (IAwid)

66 Most of our Autoworkers are merely Americans assembling Mexican made parts. Yeah, America!

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (pLaQB)

67 48 STELLLLAAAANNNTTTISSS!!!!

Marlin Brawndo, in "A SHIT CAR NONE DESIRES".



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 18, 2023 11:12 AM (e6UQI)

You say that jim, but...

https://tinyurl.com/3r9nwb6y

Now they blatantly stole design cues from the NB Miata's- but they also tightened some things up like the look of the front end.

I doubt it 'handles' as well as a Miata, but you never know.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (zZu0s)

68 Better than moving to Mexico, since Mexico is moving here let them have their jobs like they are grabbing everyone else

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (/aIEN)

69 President Biden treaded carefully Friday as he addressed the decision by United Auto Workers to strike, after about 13,000 autoworkers walked off the job at midnight Friday.

Mr. Biden, who considers himself the most pro-union president in modern history, said he's deploying two of his top administration officials to Detroit to assist with negotiations.



Yeah. Hunter and Jill.

Didya know, Beau Biden died on an auto assembly line when a drill malfunctioned and sent a bit into his brain?

My word as a Bitem.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (5apCz)

70 Most auto companies, at this point, are healthcare benefits companies that make cars on the side.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (ZV+pB)

71 wonder if looking at auto execs' pay stubs is what has the rank and file unhappy.

The compensation packages paid to those people to destroy their own companies are obscene.
Posted by: creepe

So typical communist shit. Someone has more than me let’s go kill them.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (bWsRe)

72 This battle between the United Auto Workers and the Big Three auto executives is effectively a proxy war between those of us who wish for a future with gas-powered cars and those who want a future with electric vehicles only.
++++
Only superficially.

It's a proxy war exactly like, in fact, the proxy war it has always been: between business and money interests and those of labor (narrowly - only for the most-senior union members) and politics. This isn't really any different. What has changed is what those interests represent.

The business and money interests now represent unitary government/industrial conglomeration (fascism). The labor and political interests are more or less the same - they still represent the union itself and carving out a nice big slice for its most senior members and buying political favors. That also itself represents a big pivot - it's gone from the a government/labor conglomeration to a unitary government/industrial conglomeration. The unions lost, and will lose this battle.

My interests align with neither group. I want neither conglomeration. My interests this time around, however, are least misaligned with union's. First time for everything.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (t0OGg)

73 Maybe they could put a picture on a milk carton.

Joint Base Charleston
@TeamCharleston
We’re working with @MCASBeaufortSC to locate an F-35 that was involved in a mishap this afternoon. The pilot ejected safely. If you have any information that may help our recovery teams locate the F-35, please call the Base Defense Operations Center at 843-963-3600.

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Milk carton won't be necessary.

https://tinyurl.com/mr5hwmaz

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)

74 'As for the 32-hour work week, of course that is preposterous.'

This is so 8 hours of their 48 hour work week is at time and half not so they can only work 4 days.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (Hszs6)

75 70 Most auto companies, at this point, are healthcare benefits companies that make cars on the side.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (ZV+pB

Right?
- airlines which are banks that fly people on the side

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:19 AM (bWsRe)

76 This whole ceo pay thing is dumb. There is one ceo there are tens of thousands of slobs n the assembly line. Ceo pay as a % of total labor cost is a rounding error.

CEOs are generally widely overpaid - because compensation is being set by OTHER CEOs and their friends on corporate boards.

In theory the stockholders should hold the boards in check but...institutional investors don't.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:19 AM (XqcwY)

77 This whole ceo pay thing is dumb. There is one ceo there are tens of thousands of slobs n the assembly line. Ceo pay as a % of total labor cost is a rounding error.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (bWsRe)

CEO's should get a decent base salary, and be on a bonus structure tied to profitability, and not to stock price.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:19 AM (zE3+g)

78 Unfortunately, the UAW’s leadership has done terrible harm to the rank and file by continuing to aid and abet Democrats, who in turn are seeking to destroy the traditional American auto business by legislating it away with EV mandates. And remember, the ultimate goal of “the EV transition” is not to get people out of ICE vehicles, it’s to eliminate mass-market car ownership altogether. There is no future for auto workers in the world the left is trying to take us to.

Eh, I suspect that the whole thing is theater, in the sense that the unions know that Biden (i.e taxpayers) will eventually bail out the auto companies and the unions when the EV nonsense crashes and burns.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:20 AM (I/Qkd)

79 19...2. If I have to ranch, I'm not hand carrying a 1200 lb cow to market.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (5apCz)

Comrade, that's what a cattle...drive...is for.
https://tinyurl.com/534w6vcp

Posted by: C Suite jockeys everywhere at September 18, 2023 11:20 AM (Rbu5d)

80 CEOs are generally widely overpaid - because compensation is being set by OTHER CEOs and their friends on corporate boards.

In theory the stockholders should hold the boards in check but...institutional investors don't.

Posted by: 18-1 at Sept

I agree. But what a ceo makes has no bearing on what a slob on the assembly line should make. And vice versa. It’s like saying if a plumber makes $x a professional baseball player should make $y. They have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (bWsRe)

81 57 1. I'm not walking 81 miles to work every day.
2. If I have to ranch, I'm not hand carrying a 1200 lb cow to market.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (5apCz)
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Good news on that front.

1) You'll be forcibly relocated to a 15min city at some point.
2) Beef will be outlawed, so you won't have to worry about carrying a 1200-lb cow.


which is heavier? a 1200lb cow or 1200lbs of crickets?

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (oY6Yp)

82 Avg Salary in;
US 77K
Germany 59k

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (XqcwY)
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Interestingly, this is very close to the same GDP per capita in both countries.

And yeah, Europeans pay MUCH higher tax rates across the board (with a very few exceptions). One of the arguments from my co-workers is that Europeans have more time to spend with their families. What families? The native Europeans are in a death spiral. Their replacements from MENA are much less inclined to work, preferring to live off the government dole.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (YIVH2)

83 Right?
- airlines which are banks that fly people on the side
Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023
11:19 AM (bWsRe)

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Not that well either...

Lately if I need to travel 500 miles or less I will drive. Hate what flying has become.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (ZV+pB)

84 “United Auto Workers 'feel abandoned' by Democratic Party, former union president says; Former UAW president says President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act failed union workers”
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Welcome to the party, pal.

You were the cudgel and cash network for a long time. You got lazy and entitled because of the proxy power you were able to wield. But the power was not yours. It was, as it always is, firmly in the hands of the state (and now, thanks to the revolution, in the hands of the State/Party Complex).

But you're no longer the cudgel or the cash network. That's been replaced with industry, which can impose its will on more people than you can and can shift more money than you can. You're on the outs. You didn't see it coming. Sorry. Keep whipping the membership to comply with the same powers that abandoned you, though. There is no reason not to and many reasons to change nothing. Thanks in part to your actions, there's nowhere else to go. It's not like there's a different party or a different aspect of the Complex you can support to try to achieve some kind of change. You're stuck just like the rest of us. Change or don't. It makes no difference at the end of the day.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (t0OGg)

85 They already make $75:hr plus the most generous benefits and pension known to man. For what? To turn a screwdriver on an assembly line while drunk or on meth. And they want more. Fuck em all. I hope every last one of their jobs goes to Mexico.
Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM (bWsRe)
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And if you fly a lot, you may want to avoid many of the pubs in and around a certain airplane factory near Seattle. Over the lunch hour.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (uSHSS)

86 The UAW strike is about money, and real wages and markets shrinking under inflation and regulations.
The Feds have inflated the money to buy votes and make their besties rich, stealing it from everyone, making the money worth less. The fight is between the manufactures, the labor cartels, and the consumer over who gets to pay more to make up for that theft.

In reality, we are going to pay for it, since we don't have representation in the negotiations

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (xhaym)

87 74 'As for the 32-hour work week, of course that is preposterous.'

This is so 8 hours of their 48 hour work week is at time and half not so they can only work 4 days.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (Hszs6)

I worked 80.5 hours last week (long story, could not be helped.) On the one hand, I got double time for Sunday. On the other hand, 32 hours would feel like vacation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (zZu0s)

88 79 19...2. If I have to ranch, I'm not hand carrying a 1200 lb cow to market.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:04 AM (5apCz)

Comrade, that's what a cattle...drive...is for.


warp drive > cattle drive

Posted by: kirk at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (oY6Yp)

89 CEO's should get a decent base salary, and be on a bonus structure tied to profitability, and not to stock price.

Its hard to do.

Imagine as a CEO you get paid based on profitability over a 2 year window. You can, and likely will, ignore any work that needs to be done outside of that 2 year window...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (XqcwY)

90 Abundant meth and fentanyl will be provided to the laid-off auto workers to compensate them.

Ya know, that deal just sounds better the more I think about it.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (nfrXX)

91 Hunter Biden Sues IRS

Suit: Whistleblowers Improperly Disclosed Info to Congress

Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (RHGPo)

92 Tesla seems to be doing very well selling EVs
The Tesla Mod Y is the 2nd best selling passenger car in the USA

Posted by: Paul at September 18, 2023 11:22 AM (d28cK)

93 Lately if I need to travel 500 miles or less I will drive. Hate what flying has become.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (ZV+pB)

This. So much this. That is why any overseas travel is probably going to have to be either a work requirement or after an apocalypse.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:22 AM (zZu0s)

94 Certainly not every auto/truck assembly line job is turning a screw driver or pushing a button. Ever try pulling a wiring harness through a chassis while under time constraints?

Posted by: Pull My Wire! at September 18, 2023 11:22 AM (83IzV)

95 Let’s look at Jim Farley, who as CEO of Ford is aggressively destroying the company. He’s also doing what is normal for executives aboard a sinking corporate ship – grabbing as much for himself while he still can.
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It's to be expected. The government is entering the stage of end-state looting. They can't fix the problems or even acknowledge them (to do so would be too destructive, yet it would be destructive without much personal gain). So just go harder. Steal more. Oppress more. Extend more. This is destructive, too, but there is personal gain to be had.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:23 AM (t0OGg)

96 Hunter Biden Sues IRS


Awww. Loke at him. Trying so hard to get on the side of the average American.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2023 11:24 AM (uSHSS)

97 Milk carton won't be necessary.

https://tinyurl.com/mr5hwmaz
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)

Fucking Twitchy is useless anymore, as the Twatter links won't load. So you get only half the dialog. It's like watching a dog dry-hump...air.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:24 AM (zE3+g)

98 Normally not a UAW fan, but I personally knew a lot of Ford engineers that no longer work there due to being part of the ICE melting layoffs, because electrification. But they can borrow one of my torches and a couple spare pitchforks.

Posted by: Roy at September 18, 2023 11:24 AM (W0aWq)

99 Montec, you don't understand where money comes from, and until you do you will not understand inflation beyond "they are all greedy and they steal from me!"

You seem to want unionized labor to absorb the inflation so you don't have to pay more for your cars.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:24 AM (xhaym)

100 Normally not a UAW fan, but I personally knew a lot of Ford engineers that no longer work there due to being part of the ICE melting layoffs, because electrification. But they can borrow one of my torches and a couple spare pitchforks.
Posted by: Roy at September 18, 2023 11:24 AM (W0aWq)
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Decarbonization eliminated torches and industrial incompetence and corruption eliminated the pitchfork surplus...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (t0OGg)

101 One of the arguments from my co-workers is that Europeans have more time to spend with their families.

If you slashed government spending the average American could retire MUCH earlier. And...they could work less hours. So...why don't we do that?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (XqcwY)

102 How do you lose an F-35?

I don't mean lose-as-in-impact, I mean lose-as-in-might as well be on a runway in Cuba. Doesn't have the range to get to China.

Maybe that stealth crap really works ..

Posted by: JEM at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (8erNz)

103 69 Didya know, Beau Biden died on an auto assembly line when a drill malfunctioned and sent a bit into his brain?


my sister once got bit by a drill. mind you, drill bits can be pretty nasti.

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (oY6Yp)

104 Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan used a break in New York City on Sunday to urge tech giant Elon Musk to open his next Tesla factory in Turkey.

Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (RHGPo)

105 I flew yesterday... out of Minnesota. The security theater known as the tsa were so abrasive and smart assed that I was damn near close to clocking one of those assholes in the face. They need to thank the Lord that my wife was with me of I would have done it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:26 AM (ZV+pB)

106 ..I doubt it 'handles' as well as a Miata, but you never know. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:17 AM (zZu0s)


They didn't "steal" the Mazda's design. It's a License Built version of the Miata, with certain Italianesque design cues worked into the lines.

Much like the original Honda Passport was actually an Isuzu Rodeo, (both were built on the same assembly line), but Honda paid Isuzu to slap some Honda badges on, so the Honda Dealers would have some SUVs to sell in the late 1980s, when the SUV market was the Hot New Thing.

This was Hnoda's sandbags against the flood, till they could get their 1st Gen "CR/V" into production, and later, the Pilot.

"Badge Engineering". Go far enough back, and you have Japanese Bridgestone motorcycles sold with Sears Allstate badges. And much "etc.", besides.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 18, 2023 11:26 AM (e6UQI)

107 98 Normally not a UAW fan, but I personally knew a lot of Ford engineers that no longer work there due to being part of the ICE melting layoffs, because electrification. But they can borrow one of my torches and a couple spare pitchforks.

i wonder whatever happened to glenn beck's collection of pitchforks. he had folks send him pitchforks back when he worked for cnn.

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:26 AM (oY6Yp)

108 I'd be unable to root for a side for most intra-Left squabbles but I think EV mandates (and they're coming) are flat out evil. So I might be on the side of whoever still wants ICEs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 18, 2023 11:26 AM (xcxpd)

109 How do you lose an F-35?

I don't mean lose-as-in-impact, I mean lose-as-in-might as well be on a runway in Cuba. Doesn't have the range to get to China.

Maybe that stealth crap really works ..
Posted by: JEM at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (8erNz)
***

Dude! Don't ask us!

Posted by: Air Traffic Center at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (uSHSS)

110 Let's keep this going...
Get pilots to strike!
Get the service industry to strike!
Railway workers strike!
Dock workers strike!
Everybody strike!!

Shut this country down until Christmas!!
Kick the candle and dance around the fire!
Let's do this shit!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (Wy1BU)

111 Yo United Auto Workers, you F**ked Up......................
You trusted me............... LOSERS ............

It is GLOBAL WARMING and you are the sacrficial Lambs !

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (Js3tc)

112 This is bukkake theater setting up a huge government bailout. Count on it. Just as Obama's bailout of the auto industry was really a way to funnel tons of free cash to the unions, this strike is itching for more of the same.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

113 92 Tesla seems to be doing very well selling EVs
The Tesla Mod Y is the 2nd best selling passenger car in the USA
Posted by: Paul at September 18, 2023 11:22 AM (d28cK)

I was told by the left Elon is a white supremacist. Are you encouraging the sale of white supremafist made cars? For shame Paul.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (bWsRe)

114 off, sock. [sigh]

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (Rbu5d)

115 If you slashed government spending the average American could retire MUCH earlier. And...they could work less hours. So...why don't we do that?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM (XqcwY)

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And both parents wouldn't have to work just so that one of their incomes is required to pay the tax bills.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 18, 2023 11:28 AM (xe3j5)

116 How do you lose an F-35?



It wasn't us! - CERN

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2023 11:28 AM (gmo/4)

117 97 Fucking Twitchy is useless anymore, as the Twatter links won't load. So you get only half the dialog. It's like watching a dog dry-hump...air.

twitchy's been useless longer than that. since they started to refuse to show me things because i have an ad blocker running.

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:28 AM (oY6Yp)

118 One significant improvement I could see for unions is ONLY allow them at one company - so you'd have a Ford Union, a GM Union, etc.

Why? It incentivizes the unions to also think of what's best for the company - if you push too hard and kill the company the union dies as well.

Of course things are so screwed now that the leadership of the American automakers is trying to kill their whole industry as well

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (XqcwY)

119 Corporations will be used and are being used now and in the future to crush us. And I believe in the end times keep everyone in compliance.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (ytSiK)

120 The gdp per capita of Mississippi is higher than that of the UK. To put into perspective just how poor Europe really is relative to the US.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (bWsRe)

121 "Badge Engineering". Go far enough back, and you have Japanese Bridgestone motorcycles sold with Sears Allstate badges. And much "etc.", besides.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 18, 2023 11:26 AM (e6UQI)


Saab stationwagons that are Subaru Outbacks in everthing past the badge on the grill to the badge on the back hatch

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (xhaym)

122 116 How do you lose an F-35?



It wasn't us! - CERN


*whistles innocently*

Posted by: skinwalker liberation front at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (oY6Yp)

123 One issue I guess I part ways from the default conservative position is I do think executive pay has gotten way out of hand.

I dont think this is a major problem in the US, it's actually a drop in the bucket in term of payroll costs for most large companies. But it is disgusting to see a single officer getting $100 million a year pay packages for a publicly traded company.

But the UAW is asking for way too much money. I'm sorry, but working on an assembly line for 32 hours is not a $200k+ a year job. All those jobs are going to be shipped elsewhere. These aren't our allies.

Posted by: Blago at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (iXiZ6)

124 CEO's should get a decent base salary, and be on a bonus structure tied to profitability, and not to stock price.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:19 AM (zE3+g)
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There's a middle ground on that that might be effective if it were tried. I'm not sure.

Stock-based compensation is a good motivator, but there is a problem with time constraints. Long-term vesting schedules are a part of the solution to that, but a retroactive element could - and perhaps should - be added to the picture. Make some amount of the stock compensation value - maybe 50% or perhaps more - subject to clawback. If, after you depart, the stock price tanks in the first five years, the difference is clawed back up to 50% (or whatever) of the total stock-based compensation during your tenure.

If you got $10 million in stock-based compensation and ran the company into the ground with bad ideas and the stock falls by 30% in the subsequent five years, then $3 million of that gets clawed back. Cut a check to the company for it. Or go bankrupt and liquidate. Whatever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (t0OGg)

125 The F-35 was lost near a big lake, so it's my guess it is now a VERY expensive anchor.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (I/Qkd)

126 I was told by the left Elon is a white supremacist. Are you encouraging the sale of white supremafist made cars? For shame Paul.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:27 AM (bWsRe)

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And why does Paul hate African-Americans?

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (xe3j5)

127 So you Americans...I just don't get it.

I come to America and try to be good citizen.
I go to Animal Shelter to get dog, and I am treated like hero.
So I go to Woman's Shelter...

Posted by: Somali Immigrant at September 18, 2023 11:30 AM (uSHSS)

128 The Oil Price Shock Is A Direct Consequence Of Interventionism

Governments and financial institutions all over the world declared war on investment in fossil fuels under the misguided view that supply and prices would not be affected

Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:30 AM (RHGPo)

129 Yeah Fords been purging their ICE engineering to pay for their electric pickup fantasies. They've already killed all the cars except the Mustang, even as California sucks up every C-Max ever built to deal with $6 gas.

Ask any Ford marketing dude how FAR an F150 EV can tow 5000lb and they'll carefully deflect.

They can tow a crap ton of weight, just not any distance.

Posted by: JEM at September 18, 2023 11:30 AM (8erNz)

130 94 Certainly not every auto/truck assembly line job is turning a screw driver or pushing a button. Ever try pulling a wiring harness through a chassis while under time constraints?
Posted by: Pull My Wire!
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Same old, same old. Many of the college educated class disdain manual labor as a marker of class. They especially resent manual labor getting more money than they do because they be smart n stuff. There is a reason why plumbers, electricians, etc. jobs that are readily available go unfilled and why often big homes get shitty maintenance---they can't do it themselves and they begrudge giving manual labor its due.

Same shit caused the Civil War---the plantation owners should have picked their own damn cotton.

In cases like this, I am a class traitor.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:30 AM (5jVrT)

131 113 I was told by the left Elon is a white supremacist. Are you encouraging the sale of white supremafist made cars? For shame Paul.

not certain whether typo or editorial comment

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:30 AM (oY6Yp)

132 But the UAW is asking for way too much money. I'm sorry, but working on an assembly line for 32 hours is not a $200k+ a year job.

You'd think that, but you'd be wrong.

Posted by: UPS driver at September 18, 2023 11:31 AM (I/Qkd)

133 88...warp drive > cattle drive
Posted by: kirk at September 18, 2023 11:21 AM (oY6Yp)

Engage...!

Posted by: picard at September 18, 2023 11:31 AM (Rbu5d)

134 not certain whether typo or editorial comment
Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:30 AM (oY6Yp)
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Power of and?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:31 AM (t0OGg)

135 121 Saab stationwagons that are Subaru Outbacks in everthing past the badge on the grill to the badge on the back hatch
Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (xhaym)

In the 80s, every Dodge was a Mitsubishi.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 11:31 AM (UnA8+)

136 And why does Paul hate African-Americans?
Posted by: ShainS -- De

cause he's a democrat. It is the company line after all.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2023 11:32 AM (CIS44)

137 Gaslighting or Electriclighting?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 18, 2023 11:32 AM (TZJ3f)

138 The Japanese corporations don't allow these obscene pay packages, yet they still have competent people running their companies. There's various caps the government has.

My solution is make it so shareholders have a direct vote to how much a CEO gets instead of some board of golfing buddies that rubber stamps this.

Posted by: Blago at September 18, 2023 11:32 AM (iXiZ6)

139 If you got $10 million in stock-based compensation and ran the company into the ground with bad ideas and the stock falls by 30% in the subsequent five years, then $3 million of that gets clawed back. Cut a check to the company for it. Or go bankrupt and liquidate. Whatever.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Another partial solution--no more serving CEOs of other companies on boards. Most of these boards would be better served by having big investors on them than self dealing CEOs.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:32 AM (5jVrT)

140 If you are under 5'5", your pronouns are ima/little/tea/pot.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:03 AM


What if you're under 5'?

Asking for former commenter AtC.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 18, 2023 11:32 AM (a3Q+t)

141 AND , , , the Unions are holding a busted flush and they know it. The Big 3 Execs are holding aces and eights. Place your bets. Is this a game of chance? Not the way they play it.

Posted by: Ray Mota at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (sw3xv)

142 “Ford expects to bleed $4.5 billion on electric cars this year, but it makes enough on everything else that it might not matter”

and that's why a new F-150 is $80k

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (BouGb)

143 123 One issue I guess I part ways from the default conservative position is I do think executive pay has gotten way out of hand.

I dont think this is a major problem in the US, it's actually a drop in the bucket in term of payroll costs for most large companies. But it is disgusting to see a single officer getting $100 million a year pay packages for a publicly traded company.

But the UAW is asking for way too much money. I'm sorry, but working on an assembly line for 32 hours is not a $200k+ a year job. All those jobs are going to be shipped elsewhere. These aren't our allies.
Posted by: Blago at September 18, 2023 11:29 AM (iXiZ6)
___________

Pox on all their houses. Total automation can't get here fast enough. It's already happening in Europe. If you go to the Porsche factory in Stuttgart, you can see how fully automated the assembly line is. It's really like something out of a science-fiction movie. Now if there was just some way to automate management, to get rid of these prick cocksuckers. AI? It can't be any worse than these retards.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

144 Men on Women under 5'5...aw isn't she cute?

Women on Men under 5'5...who made that sound? I can't see anyone.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:07 AM (XqcwY)

Uhh... average U.S. women's height: 5'4.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:13 AM (N1DT3)


And, according to dating app statistics, they will not even consider a man under 5'10.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (GYIa4)

145 Gaslighting or Electriclighting?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 18, 2023 11:32 AM (TZJ3f)
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LOL.

Neither.

Like the days of yore, you will either be thriftless and burn candles on the regular, or you will have no light after dark except for special occasions or emergencies when it is worth it to use up some candles (or torches).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (t0OGg)

146 Saab stationwagons that are Subaru Outbacks in everthing past the badge on the grill to the badge on the back hatch
Posted by: Kindltot


And don't forget the 9-7X which was the nicest Chevy Trailblazer ever built.

As with Ford and Jag/Land Rover, GM did not understand the capital commitment necessary to build these brands.

Posted by: JEM at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (8erNz)

147 Many of the college educated class disdain manual labor as a marker of class. They especially resent manual labor getting more money than they do because they be smart n stuff. There is a reason why plumbers, electricians, etc. jobs that are readily available go unfilled and why often big homes get shitty maintenance---they can't do it themselves and they begrudge giving manual labor its due.

If it were that simple, the so-called working class would be able to name their price, and people would flock to those jobs, class or not.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (I/Qkd)

148 Comrade, that's what a cattle...drive...is for.

warp drive > cattle drive
Posted by: kirk at September 18, 2023


***
"Movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them dogies movin' --
RAWHIDE!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 18, 2023 11:34 AM (J2vNu)

149 125 The F-35 was lost near a big lake, so it's my guess it is now a VERY expensive anchor.

the lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
when the skies of november september turn gloomy

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:34 AM (oY6Yp)

150 So typical communist shit. Someone has more than me let’s go kill them.
Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:18 AM (bWsRe)


Go take a walk. Maybe it will improve your reasoning skills.

Posted by: creeper at September 18, 2023 11:34 AM (cTCuP)

151 The four vehicles in my garage/carport/driveway are a combined 179 years old. What ugly SUV or useless EV contraption Detroit spits out is of no concern to me. Even my bicycle was built in 1975.

Posted by: Sweatin' to the Oldies! at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM (83IzV)

152 If it were that simple, the so-called working class would be able to name their price, and people would flock to those jobs, class or not.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (I/Qkd)


The principle thing a college degree does is ruin a person's willingness to work in the trades.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM (xhaym)

153 My solution is make it so shareholders have a direct vote to how much a CEO gets instead of some board of golfing buddies that rubber stamps this.

Posted by: Blago

I would have individual investors, not institututional ones make the board along with one or two institutional representatives. The problem is agent defection. The shareholders are the 'owners' but the managers do their own thing until things go horribly wrong. Institutional representation on the board is simply shifting the misconduct to the institutional representatives that screw their own investors in favor of ruling elite shit.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM (5jVrT)

154 UAW doesn't actually want "32hour work weeks", that is a ploy to increase overtime pay hours. Also in the dispute is benefit increases for RETIRED workers, they outnumber actual current workers by very large factors. Inflation, costs of living, Taxes and medical impact those seniors on fixed incomes(combined retirement/SS) That is part and parcel of the Democrat playbook, their UAW/Big Three "Party Base" expects to get PAID for their votes. The workers retirees with increased benefits, the Corporations with increased subsidies to build the cars the Greens demand, that the public does NOT want, and will not buy.
Meanwhile the top exec's of Both Rivian(losing tens of $thousands per vehicle sold) and Lucid( losing nearly $500,000 per vehicle sold) are getting paid Over $400MILLION per year.

Posted by: birddog at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM (1E8/t)

155 The Auto Workers will be good Demoncrats in the end and vote for the Democrats.

Definition of stupid...... Voting the same way for 80 years and thinking it will change this time..........

Posted by: Mr. Creosote at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM (Js3tc)

156 Check out the generator in #63 above. And the propane tanks. There's a lot of discussion about that.

Mostly ridicule.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (Q4IgG)

157 And both parents wouldn't have to work just so that one of their incomes is required to pay the tax bills.

I've pointed out to younger LIVs that while those old sitcoms they watch like the Brady Bunch or Leave It to Beaver weren't perfectly accurate, it was once upon a time considered perfectly normal for a middle class family to have one bread earner, and a house, and a gaggle of kids.

What changed?

Federal budget in
1962: $77B
2022: $6.3T

That extra $5T or so? Came out of every citizen's pockets.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (XqcwY)

158 This whole ceo pay thing is dumb. There is one ceo there are tens of thousands of slobs n the assembly line. Ceo pay as a % of total labor cost is a rounding error.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (bWsRe)


You know, back when management comprised maybe 6% of total headcount, I might have seen eye-to-eye with you. Considering most companies now have at least one senior VP for every 5 productive worker, I'm coming around on the excessive executive pay argument.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (GYIa4)

159 One of the interesting developments in China is that there are far more educated people than suitable jobs for them. At the same time, the yutes are rejecting the manual labor and assembly line work that made China thrive over the last 40 years. This phenomenon is thus not limited to us and Europe.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (I/Qkd)

160 Can we arrange for both sides to lose? Pretty please?

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (OUMaO)

161 I would have individual investors, not institututional ones make the board along with one or two institutional representatives. The problem is agent defection. The shareholders are the 'owners' but the managers do their own thing until things go horribly wrong. Institutional representation on the board is simply shifting the misconduct to the institutional representatives that screw their own investors in favor of ruling elite shit.
Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM (5jVrT)


CALPers has a majority of votes either way?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (xhaym)

162 From the Daily Beast . . .

A Trump-loving internet conspiracy theorist is in the custody of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department after approaching a rally for his apparent spiritual compatriot Robert F. Kennedy Jr. while armed, The Daily Beast has learned.

L.A. authorities are holding a man on felony charges and $35,000 bail after arresting him at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre yesterday, where the disinfo superspreader Kennedy was holding a “Hispanic heritage” event.

-
Two words: Fair, balanced

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (FVME7)

163 Trump told them their jobs would go to China.
I said their jobs would go to robots.
Musk said EVs won't replace IC vehicle,
Conclusion, gassers will be constructed by robots in the US and EVs will be built in China.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (Okeht)

164 104
'Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan... to urge tech giant Elon Musk to open his next Tesla factory in Turkey.'

Anyone that locates anything in Turkey (Plant, AF base) had better be ready to lose when the muzzies completely take over there.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (Hszs6)

165 Long story short, it's all a scam and you're not in on it.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (UnA8+)

166 142 “Ford expects to bleed $4.5 billion on electric cars this year, but it makes enough on everything else that it might not matter”

and that's why a new F-150 is $80k
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (BouGb)

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This is the same story as Disney.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (LvTSG)

167 I have one post 2013 auto that spends all its time yanking the steering wheel when I cross painted lines and telling me what to do. I rarely drive it because it annoys me so. I don't need monitoring and corrections.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (ZV+pB)

168 Executive pay is supposed to be controlled by the board. But the board is a bunch of cronies and often CEOs themselves, so it's really a bunch of scumbags just handing each other bags of cash.

Another problem is the myth of the "Great CEO" that is somehow worth huge pay packages. This myth was cultivated over decades, but it's just pure bullshit. Yes, there are a few truly visionary CEOs and upper management that are worth their pay. But they are the very rare exception to the rule. The vast majority are hacks at best and complete incompetents at worst.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (iFTx/)

169 The principle thing a college degree does is ruin a person's willingness to work in the trades.

Or perhaps people who go to college do so because they've already decided they don't want to work in the trades. Back in my youth, I worked construction jobs in the summer, and that was all it took to persuade me I wanted to go to college.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:38 AM (I/Qkd)

170 That extra $5T or so? Came out of every citizen's pockets.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:36 AM (XqcwY)


No, it comes from deficit spending supported by Treasuries and debt. Which is a major driver of inflation in dollars.
Which does come out of your pocket, but in a way that leaves the same number of dollars in your pocket, just the value is far less.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:38 AM (xhaym)

171 AND , , , the Unions are holding a busted flush and they know it. The Big 3 Execs are holding aces and eights. Place your bets. Is this a game of chance? Not the way they play it.

My uncle was a non-union worker at company that had a union.

He turned a union guy in for stealing from the company (and it was a crystal clear case). Stealing guy got fired but his buddies made sure my uncle had to replace windshields on his car every few weeks.

Now...that kind of union activity would change the game...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2023 11:38 AM (XqcwY)

172 And, according to dating app statistics, they will not even consider a man under 5'10.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (GYIa4)

I can't recall the article where I saw this, but women rate men such that 80% of men are "below average attractiveness".

Men, on the other hand, rate women such that 50% are below average attractiveness.

But MEN have unrealistic standards for women.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (N1DT3)

173 Or perhaps people who go to college do so because they've already decided they don't want to work in the trades. Back in my youth, I worked construction jobs in the summer, and that was all it took to persuade me I wanted to go to college.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:38 AM (I/Qkd)


Oh, I worked in canneries and after college I worked construction and that did make me want to work elsewhere. But welding would have been more profitable.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (xhaym)

174 I was told by the left Elon is a white supremacist. Are you encouraging the sale of white supremafist made cars? For shame Paul.

Posted by: Montec


And why does Paul hate African-Americans?
Posted by: ShainS


Because he's a typical white democrat.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (5apCz)

175 Turkey (Plant, AF base)

Plant based turkey?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (TZJ3f)

176 I would have individual investors, not institututional ones make the board along with one or two institutional representatives. The problem is agent defection. The shareholders are the 'owners' but the managers do their own thing until things go horribly wrong. Institutional representation on the board is simply shifting the misconduct to the institutional representatives that screw their own investors in favor of ruling elite shit.
Posted by: whig
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It wouldnt fix everything, but it would probably pull things down in the right direction.

My problem with actual government caps on pay is it's a slippery slope.

But you are correct that like 3 institutions really run all the major corporations. BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street. They wield way more power than people realize.

Posted by: Blago at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (iXiZ6)

177 167 I have one post 2013 auto that spends all its time yanking the steering wheel when I cross painted lines and telling me what to do. I rarely drive it because it annoys me so. I don't need monitoring and corrections.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:37 AM (ZV+pB)

========

Both of my cars have that, but I've also turned them off and they don't turn back on with the restart of the engine.

The one thing that the Highlander does that annoys me is that I cannot permanently turn off the "turn off at idling" option. I have to press that button every time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

178 Fucking Twitchy is useless anymore, as the Twatter links won't load. So you get only half the dialog. It's like watching a dog dry-hump...air.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


That's hot!

Posted by: Susanna Gibson, Democrat porn star! at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (vcOmj)

179 The Big 3 Execs are holding aces and eights.

Don't know how thrilled I'd be to be "winning" with the dead man's hand...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (OUMaO)

180 DC Enquirer: New Reuters Poll Has Trump Winning 2024 Rematch Against Biden In Electoral Landslide - 312 To 226

Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

181 Oh, I worked in canneries and after college I worked construction and that did make me want to work elsewhere. But welding would have been more profitable.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (xhaym)

Or an electrician.

Or a plumber.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (zZu0s)

182 Tesla is already profitable (and that is excluding handouts),
And they are an American company, producing a lot of cars in the USA. Go Tesla.

Posted by: JoeNYC at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (sX15q)

183 "But the UAW is asking for way too much money. I'm sorry, but working on an assembly line for 32 hours is not a $200k+ a year job."


If the Big 3 are go bankrupt or move all manufacturing overseas I have no doubt there will be plenty of good paying green jobs available. You know, assembling solar panels and fixing windmills. Should be able to get at least $15/hr for the one not taken by illegals.


And all those executives? They will be replaced by AI that spew sustainability and diversity talking points for a lot less money.

Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (JojsZ)

184 Where the industrialists of the 19th century as unconcerned with the profits of their company before the income tax and its host of carveouts?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

185 The principle thing a college degree does is ruin a person's willingness to work in the trades.


It does make them willing to work at Starbucks.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (5apCz)

186 180 DC Enquirer: New Reuters Poll Has Trump Winning 2024 Rematch Against Biden In Electoral Landslide - 312 To 226
Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

========

"The parties switched!"
-me when I notice certain people are suddenly all down on polls who were using them as gospel before

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (LvTSG)

187 Conclusion, gassers will be constructed by robots in the US and EVs will be built in China.

China has been dumping EVs and has vast numbers of unsold ones mouldering in huge lots.

https://tinyurl.com/rd89e466

The EU has opened an investigation into the dumping.

https://tinyurl.com/33ds6jx6

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (I/Qkd)

188 If it were that simple, the so-called working class would be able to name their price, and people would flock to those jobs, class or not.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Tried to get a plumber lately or an electrician? Tree Service?

The welfare class by and large does not flock to these jobs because a) even a few years ago, the estimated income including taxpayer paid housing and health care in PA came close to about the median income of the US---somewhere north of 66k per year. The skilled workers are those with the work ethic to not sit on their asses and mooch because in the trades, you have to put in the time before you can make more.

So, by and large, people respond to incentives and for most people 'work' is not necessarily self actualizing if you get into Maslow's hierarchy.

I put more faith in the hs diploma workers by and large than I do in our current college educated ruling class. Id put more faith in a cow college graduate than a graduate from Princeton nowadays. We have essentially duplicated the idiotic British class system without the noblisse oblige that the ancient aristos had.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (5jVrT)

189 Tesla is already profitable (and that is excluding handouts),
And they are an American company, producing a lot of cars in the USA. Go Tesla.
Posted by: JoeNYC


Tesla is an African American company.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (5apCz)

190 It's amazing how all of Malkin's sites turn to shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (ANm4C)

191 Men, on the other hand, rate women such that 50% are below average attractiveness.

But MEN have unrealistic standards for women.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (N1DT3)

Um, bell curve? Six sigma?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

192 190 It's amazing how all of Malkin's sites turn to shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM (ANm4C)

Well, she does sell them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

193 Another problem is the myth of the "Great CEO" that is somehow worth huge pay packages. This myth was cultivated over decades, but it's just pure bullshit. Yes, there are a few truly visionary CEOs and upper management that are worth their pay. But they are the very rare exception to the rule. The vast majority are hacks at best and complete incompetents at worst.
Posted by: Elric Blade

___

Usually the "great CEO' is a Founder and they are already a billionaire anyway.

Personally, I'd be fine with say a $10 million CEO cap for a publicly traded company. Maybe jack up a corporations taxes if they exceed that. But my fear is the government then starts wage controls.

Posted by: Blago at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (iXiZ6)

194 Can't they both lose?

Posted by: Kalel666 at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (7pTbe)

195 The one thing that the Highlander does that annoys me is that I cannot permanently turn off the "turn off at idling" option. I have to press that button every time.

oh yes, "Auto Stop" -- more pointless BS from CAFE standard obsessed auto engineers than no one actually wants

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (BouGb)

196 Or an electrician.

Or a plumber.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (zZu0s)


dumb grunt labor on a demolition crew on a remodeling business is dumb grunt labor.
On the other hand I also worked at a USPS mail processing center and made really good money, and it nearly drove me insane. that was Unionized to the hilt.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (xhaym)

197 Polls are always shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

198 I need Ford to continue about as much as I need Anheiser Bush to continue.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (oyk+H)

199 I'm still wondering what happens when 2030 or 2035 arrives and EVs are 14% of all autos.

The EU and Biden have gone in full speed but it's heading for a huge trainwreck

Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (RHGPo)

200 I was flying my kite this morning, one of those Japanese sport kites, and the rogue AI F35 swooped in and used a 300K AMRAAM missile to down it...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (TGPs7)

201 The leggy brunette in polka dots opposes any kind of legal limits or regulation on compensation, but thinks that boards of directors need to wise the hell up about making long-term success a much stronger part of executive compensation:
https://is.gd/DReCGj

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)

202 The Japanese corporations don't allow these obscene pay packages, yet they still have competent people running their companies. There's various caps the government has.


Hey! If you guys are so great...HOW COME YOU LOST THE BIG ONE?


- Hunt Stevenson

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (gmo/4)

203 To reiterate my question from earlier:

It is not possible to eject by accident, right?

Right?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (zZu0s)

204 201 The leggy brunette in polka dots opposes any kind of legal limits or regulation on compensation, but thinks that boards of directors need to wise the hell up about making long-term success a much stronger part of executive compensation:
https://is.gd/DReCGj
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)

=======

Those legs look farkin' weird, man.

2/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

205 The EU and Biden have gone in full speed but it's heading for a huge trainwreck
Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (RHGPo)

that's a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (CIS44)

206 As traditional Democrat Party voters wake up to the fact the party is not working in their favor, so too Republican Party voters must do the same with theirs.

Truth is, the concepts that have been argued over for more than a century, corps v. labor was always false. People who consider themselves "conservative" should never have been on the side of the people who had the scales tilted in their favor, the ones who opposed a free market at virtually every turn.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (iKVbK)

207 172 And, according to dating app statistics, they will not even consider a man under 5'10.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 11:33 AM (GYIa4)

I can't recall the article where I saw this, but women rate men such that 80% of men are "below average attractiveness".

Men, on the other hand, rate women such that 50% are below average attractiveness.

But MEN have unrealistic standards for women.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 18, 2023 11:39 AM (N1DT3)
__________

Yea, but what these "standards" really amount to are wishcasting. All the women insisting on 666 will eventually end up with 5-8 guys, making half of 6, and with a 6-inch beer gut. Sadly, it might be a painful road for them to get there.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 18, 2023 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

208 my sister once got bit by a drill. mind you, drill bits can be pretty nasti.
Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:25 AM


The person responsible for this comment has been sacked.

- The Management

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 11:45 AM (FVJNG)

209 206 As traditional Democrat Party voters wake up to the fact the party is not working in their favor, so too Republican Party voters must do the same with theirs.

Truth is, the concepts that have been argued over for more than a century, corps v. labor was always false. People who consider themselves "conservative" should never have been on the side of the people who had the scales tilted in their favor, the ones who opposed a free market at virtually every turn.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (iKVbK)

========

They woke up in 2016, maybe even 2012. The power centers of America reacted poorly and have been rigging things ever since.

Just ask 'em. They're proud of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

210 But seriously, the F35 story is very strange and who knows what the truth is?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (TGPs7)

211 The UAW pensions got a big junk of GM stock when Obama had his hostile takeover disgused as a bailout. They are striking against themselves. They should have enough votes to get rid of the Ecofascists on the board but the union bosses are in on the scam.

Posted by: jj at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (IPauu)

212 I have one post 2013 auto that spends all its time yanking the steering wheel when I cross painted lines and telling me what to do. I rarely drive it because it annoys me so. I don't need monitoring and corrections.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023


***
The Buick has that Lane Departure Warning, and I was able to turn it off. In the city I often have to swerve to avoid some imbecile in a giant SUV or a pretend road construction project. If I ever take a trip and drive at night, I'll turn it back on, as it could be useful if I drift; but not in everyday driving.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (J2vNu)

213 Personally, I'd be fine with say a $10 million CEO cap for a publicly traded company. Maybe jack up a corporations taxes if they exceed that. But my fear is the government then starts wage controls.
Posted by: Blago at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (iXiZ6)
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Yes, that will absolutely happen. This is a hole with no bottom. The CEO will still make some huge multiple of the business' median wage, except all will repressed and the difference stolen by the state.

No state control of compensation. For any reason. The only salaries they should be able to influence - let alone control - are for government workers. Those should be capped by law, but that's another argument entirely.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (t0OGg)

214 CALPers has a majority of votes either way?
Posted by: Kindltot
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I don't consider organizations as individual nor companies, etc. They are not people and do not qualify for what we call human rights or natural rights.

I mean distinct human investors so Calpers and the other bigs could collaborate on a couple of reps but certainly most of the entire board.

You insulate a person from the risks like being the agent institutional investors and you get shitty governance--corporate or otherwise. Same goes for legislatures and executives--live under the same laws and risks that ordinary people do.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (5jVrT)

215 To reiterate my question from earlier:

It is not possible to eject by accident, right?

Right?!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (zZu0s)

***

Well... there was that time at band camp. Kind of embarrassing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (ZV+pB)

216 203 To reiterate my question from earlier:

It is not possible to eject by accident, right?

Right?!


it's also not possible for a highly computerized fighter jet to decide that if it got rid of that pesky human, it could take over the world, right?

right?

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (oY6Yp)

217 Those legs look farkin' weird, man.

2/10

Would not bang.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

Face has something of a trannie vibe to it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:47 AM (iKVbK)

218 China has been dumping EVs and has vast numbers of unsold ones mouldering in huge lots.

https://tinyurl.com/rd89e466


China put into place massive EV subsidies and so everyone ran around building low end EVs no one really wanted.

Posted by: JEM at September 18, 2023 11:47 AM (8erNz)

219 DC Enquirer: New Reuters Poll Has Trump Winning 2024 Rematch Against Biden In Electoral Landslide - 312 To 226
Posted by: SMOD

Yeah? Well . . .

Jane
@PlaintanJane
@KamalaHarris is @JoeBiden’s secret political weapon in 2024 re-election, per @CapehartJ @MollyJongFast @TheRevAl @Victorshi2020 & anyone else who’s really kept an eye on her work.

-
Joyce Alene
@JoyceWhiteVance
I wonder why this is? 🙄
Kamala Harris is everything I want in a leader--smart, strong, compassionate. She's impressed our foreign allies. Would be opponents recognize she's no pushover. She's also intensely human & her love & respect for Americans comes through loud & clear

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)

220 Those legs look farkin' weird, man.

2/10

Would not bang.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

I noticed the ass right off. The legs look normal and shapely to me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (zZu0s)

221 "In this blue-on-blue battle between organized labor and globalist eco-communists, I favor the side that is currently the least threat to me, which is labor."

-- Buck Throckmorton

Abso-F*ckin-Lutely!

This is a vital point, and one that should guide the conservative movement's support for generations to come.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (lQONO)

222 210 But seriously, the F35 story is very strange and who knows what the truth is?

*whistles innocently*

Posted by: skynet at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (oY6Yp)

223 The shortage of people in trades isn’t because college. It’s because few people want to spend 8 hours a day unclogging toilets or laying bricks in 20 or 90 degree weather. Life is a lot easier in an air conditioned office.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (bWsRe)

224 To reiterate my question from earlier:

It is not possible to eject by accident, right?

Right?!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (zZu0s)

Maybe she was looking for the parking brake.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (zE3+g)

225 "The one thing that the Highlander does that annoys me is that I cannot permanently turn off the "turn off at idling" option. I have to press that button every time."


My Ranger has that built-in. Annoying as hell and a huge waste as it causes wear and tea on the starter and probably waste more gas on-restarts than it saves. I'm going to come up with a home-built overide if I can't find one.

Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (JojsZ)

226 @JoyceWhiteVance
I wonder why this is? 🙄
Kamala Harris is everything I want in a leader--smart, strong, compassionate. She's impressed our foreign allies. Would be opponents recognize she's no pushover. She's also intensely human & her love & respect for Americans comes through loud & clear
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)
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LOL

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)

227
One of our F-35's
is missing...

Posted by: Thomas Dolby at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (amJF4)

228 Yea, but what these "standards" really amount to are wishcasting. All the women insisting on 666 will eventually end up with 5-8 guys, making half of 6, and with a 6-inch beer gut. Sadly, it might be a painful road for them to get there.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Those women will end up with cats. The guys you are discussing have free porn, booze, drugs, gaming, sports, and other diversions that are far less costly than entitled women.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (5jVrT)

229 Joyce Alene
@JoyceWhiteVance
I wonder why this is? 🙄
Kamala Harris is everything I want in a leader--smart, strong, compassionate. She's impressed our foreign allies. Would be opponents recognize she's no pushover. She's also intensely human & her love & respect for Americans comes through loud & clear
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)
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Sounds like someone with unfettered access to Hunter's crack pipe...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (YIVH2)

230 Kamala Harris is everything I want in a leader--smart, strong, compassionate. She's impressed our foreign allies. Would be opponents recognize she's no pushover. She's also intensely human & her love & respect for Americans comes through loud & clear

Wow. That is one serious level of delusion.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)

231 Recall Biden arguing and poking his crooked finger at a worker during a campaign stop at an assembly plant.

Posted by: 13times at September 18, 2023 11:49 AM (KBU06)

232 Same shit caused the Civil War---the plantation owners should have picked their own damn cotton.
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The war of Nothern Aggression was based on the assumption that the way Britain did plantations was the same as American did it. American with slaves were not Absentee Landlords. The British model was both in the West Indies and Ireland.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 18, 2023 11:49 AM (pLaQB)

233 oh yes, "Auto Stop" -- more pointless BS from CAFE standard obsessed auto engineers than no one actually wants
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023


***
The 2017-19 Buick LaCrosse had that, and that was why I passed on a couple of nice '17 examples before I bought the '16. There's a $150 gadget you can buy that plugs into the OBDII port and turns the feature off. But you shouldn't *have* to do that.

The '15 BMW 3 Series remembered the setting you last chose, off or on.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 18, 2023 11:49 AM (J2vNu)

234 I'll be fine with auto execs raking in the big bucks WHEN THEIR COMPANIES STOP LOSING MONEY. AFAIC, they shouldn't make a dime if their companies are hemmoraging cash.

Posted by: creeper at September 18, 2023 11:49 AM (cTCuP)

235 The principle thing a college degree does is ruin a person's willingness to work in the trades.

...

I knew two from Cornell that married and then went into driving a semi.

The exception that proves the rule, but there are the exceptions.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (oyk+H)

236 oh yes, "Auto Stop" -- more pointless BS from CAFE standard obsessed auto engineers than no one actually wants
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023 11:42 AM (BouGb)
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And it is still somehow better than selective cylinder disable, which is far worse and does much more damage for even less hypothetical benefit.

And the other great gift of CAFE: the fact that all cars look the same now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

237 But seriously, the F35 story is very strange and who knows what the truth is?

It's always in the last place you look...

Posted by: Ukraine at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (amJF4)

238 Those legs look farkin' weird, man.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)


You have weird taste...her legs are fine.

The problem is that her face looks like a praying mantis.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (lQONO)

239 Musk is an American citizen.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (Okeht)

240 I disagree in part. Even fed pay/benefits are not as generous. Fair is fair but you're not getting what's going on thruout the country. Theater 4 votes

President Biden Celebrating Labor Day and Honoring America’s Workers and Unions, Sep 4, 2023

The list of demands Fain (UAW): elimination of wage tiers, substantial wage increases, restoration of cost of living allowance increases, defined benefit pension for all workers, reestablishment of retiree medical benefits
the right to strike over plant closures, limits on the use of temporary workers, more paid time off, increased benefits to current retirees

9/13/23: OVER 1,000 BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OF MICHIGAN WORKERS WALK OUT ON STRIKE
UAW Local Union 1781 (Region 1), UAW Local Union 2500 (Region 1), UAW Local Union 2145 (Region 1D) and UAW Local Union 2256 (Region 1D), entered into negotiations with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan earlier this summer. Their objective: to secure job stability and equitable pay for all dedicated union members who tirelessly provide customer service for the healthcare giant. We provide essential service to retirees Medicare Advantage members, the general public and federal employees. ...

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (GshMh)

241 234 I'll be fine with auto execs raking in the big bucks WHEN THEIR COMPANIES STOP LOSING MONEY. AFAIC, they shouldn't make a dime if their companies are hemmoraging cash.
Posted by: creeper at September 18, 2023 11:49 AM (cTCuP)

An untampered market would let those companies go down in flames that were doing stupid shit.

We do not have an untampered market, so...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

242 I once defended (or at least made excuses for) excessive compensation of corporate executives, so long as their companies were successful, and because I could safely assume that they were pro-business, pro-prosperity, pro-America, and anti-communist. In other words, I supported them with the understanding that they were on my team.

But the problem and major objection has been for a very long time that many CEOs make enormous amounts of money whether they make the company profitable or run it into the ground. It makes good fodder for the Marxists but you don't even have to get to the political aspects of it. "Fuck you pay me" codified in the world of big business isn't a good thing and it isn't truly a free enterprise type of dynamic.

Posted by: Hell, I'll run the company into the ground for half his pay at September 18, 2023 11:51 AM (dhxes)

243 Definition of stupid...... Voting the same way for 80 years and thinking it will change this time..........
Posted by: Mr. Creosote at September 18, 2023 11:35 AM

Oh shit....they may be on to us!!!

Posted by: GOPe at September 18, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

244 My Ranger has that built-in. Annoying as hell and a huge waste as it causes wear and tea on the starter and probably waste more gas on-restarts than it saves. I'm going to come up with a home-built overide if I can't find one.
Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023


***
Ripley, as I mentioned at 233, there was an aftermarket override device. I think you could get it on AMZ. I don't know if it worked on other brands besides the Buick, but it might.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 18, 2023 11:51 AM (J2vNu)

245 228 Yea, but what these "standards" really amount to are wishcasting. All the women insisting on 666 will eventually end up with 5-8 guys, making half of 6, and with a 6-inch beer gut. Sadly, it might be a painful road for them to get there.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Those women will end up with cats. The guys you are discussing have free porn, booze, drugs, gaming, sports, and other diversions that are far less costly than entitled women.
Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (5jVrT)
___________

Some will, the most unrealistic ones. But many will eventually settle down with a guy aligned with them in desirability. Marriage and family are still huge motivators, even among young people. It's not for me -- for a dozen different reasons -- and but it seems to be for a lot of others. So long as that exists, there will be an off-ramp for unrealistic ladies otherwise headed to Catsville.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 18, 2023 11:52 AM (iFTx/)

246 238 You have weird taste...her legs are fine.

The problem is that her face looks like a praying mantis.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (lQONO)

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They look distorted with Photoshop effects.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:52 AM (LvTSG)

247 223 The shortage of people in trades isn’t because college. It’s because few people want to spend 8 hours a day unclogging toilets or laying bricks in 20 or 90 degree weather. Life is a lot easier in an air conditioned office.
Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (bWsRe)

Hard men should reverse painful physical labor.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 11:52 AM (UnA8+)

248 My Ranger has that built-in. Annoying as hell and a huge waste as it causes wear and tea on the starter and probably waste more gas on-restarts than it saves. I'm going to come up with a home-built overide if I can't find one.

the Ranger has a simple override. You unplug a connector at that battery and it disables auto-stop completely. Takes 10 seconds. Look on youtube

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023 11:52 AM (BouGb)

249 In the end the slobs will get their demands. Biden owns GM and what Biden wants Biden gets. Which will make a base Chevy truck cost $80k. So good luck with that assholes.

Toyotas market share in trucks is about to skyrocket. And without Trucks GM does not exist.

Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (bWsRe)

250 And let's not also forget that we have a semi-fascist economy with Big Gov and Big Corp being balls-deep in each other. Also not free enterprise or free market.

Posted by: A plague upon all these shitsacks at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (dhxes)

251 The Buick has that Lane Departure Warning, and I was able to turn it off. In the city I often have to swerve to avoid some imbecile in a giant SUV or a pretend road construction project. If I ever take a trip and drive at night, I'll turn it back on, as it could be useful if I drift; but not in everyday driving.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 18, 2023 11:46 AM (J2vNu)

My driving has evolved to the point where I don't use the turn signal UNLESS there is another vehicle that will be affected by my actions. In other words, if I'm driving down the highway, and you're doing 64 in a 65 zone, I'm passing you if there are no other cars coming the other way. You don't need me to signal.

When you flash your lights at me as I'm speeding past you, be thankful I don't have a sewage eject button.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (k9bXa)

252 243 Oh shit....they may be on to us!!!
Posted by: GOPe at September 18, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

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"Go ahead! Throw your vote away!"
-Kang

*punches hole in straw hat*
-Ross Perot

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

253 "Kamala Harris is everything I want in a leader--smart, strong, compassionate. She's impressed our foreign allies. Would be opponents recognize she's no pushover. She's also intensely human & her love & respect for Americans comes through loud & clear
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks"


Not to mention she is an even greater orator that Obama. Truly unforgettable.

Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (JojsZ)

254 Don't look now, but it's starting to leak out that it's more expensive to charge your EV than to fill up your car, even after Biden / the government tries to put their thumb on the scale and make gas wildly expensive for no reason:



https://tinyurl.com/bddf3cbw


Someone in the comments makes an interesting point, too. How much are you spending on drinks and snacks for the family while you wait the 45 minutes to charge, and is that included in the "savings" of an EV?

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (SfD1B)

255 102 How do you lose an F-35?

A starship from the future tries to use a tractor beam on it?

Posted by: db (lowercase since 2008) at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (wu87C)

256 ...To reiterate my question from earlier: It is not possible to eject by accident, right? Right?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (zZu0s)




F-14, accidental Backseater Ejection:

https://tinyurl.com/ytrfr5kf


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 18, 2023 11:54 AM (e6UQI)

257 251 My driving has evolved to the point where I don't use the turn signal UNLESS there is another vehicle that will be affected by my actions. In other words, if I'm driving down the highway, and you're doing 64 in a 65 zone, I'm passing you if there are no other cars coming the other way. You don't need me to signal.

When you flash your lights at me as I'm speeding past you, be thankful I don't have a sewage eject button.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (k9bXa)

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"This is the excuse we shall use for throwing you in prison."
-The Man

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:54 AM (LvTSG)

258
doG, do I have opinions about this siht

immediate impact is that the UAW strike is going to keep me un-employed for the foreseeable future (no one in the industry is going to fill any "white collar" positions until the dust settles)

I started hearing last week the "this position is on hold" and "that opening has been cancelled" and "call back in October" FML

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2023 11:54 AM (ENBF0)

259 238 Those legs look farkin' weird, man.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

You have weird taste...her legs are fine.

The problem is that her face looks like a praying mantis.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 11:50 AM (lQONO)
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Some weird photoshop that makes her legs look crazy short compared to the rest of her body. Face is odd too. Would not bang.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 18, 2023 11:54 AM (iFTx/)

260 Someone in the comments makes an interesting point, too. How much are you spending on drinks and snacks for the family while you wait the 45 minutes to charge, and is that included in the "savings" of an EV?

How much an hour is your time worth?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 11:54 AM (I/Qkd)

261 11 The UAW pensions got a big junk of GM stock when Obama had his hostile takeover disgused as a bailout. They are striking against themselves. They should have enough votes to get rid of the Ecofascists on the board but the union bosses are in on the scam.
Posted by: jj at September 18

...

And in violation of preferred stockholders or whatever it's called in the bankruptcy. That whole thing told us everything we needed to know a long time ago. That and Obamas military police style shutdown of the national parks.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 18, 2023 11:55 AM (oyk+H)

262 the Ranger has a simple override. You unplug a connector at that battery and it disables auto-stop completely. Takes 10 seconds. Look on youtube
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2023 11:52 AM (BouGb)
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Which is probably technically illegal, if I had to guess, not that it matters.

Ford has a history of things like. The stupidest shit that's technically required is all there, but it can often be defeated with relative ease. Ford doesn't provide a defeat device, it's just that well, gee whiz, it happens to be easily defeated. Oops. Not our intent!

I think it dates back to the absurd horror of seatbelt ignition interlocks. Ford went whole hog on that madness and destroyed a staggering amount of customer good will. Not only was the product quality dropping like a rock, Ford's heavy-handed nannying made it even worse in every dimension. They got burned badly by it. I have noticed that a lot of stuff on Fords seem to be more easily defeated than on other brands, and have tried to come up with an explanation for it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

263 Toyotas market share in trucks is about to skyrocket. And without Trucks GM does not exist.
Posted by: Montec at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (bWsRe)

***

WHAT????

Posted by: Chevy Cobalt and Volt at September 18, 2023 11:55 AM (ZV+pB)

264 They look distorted with Photoshop effects.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:52 AM (LvTSG)

You must be looking at different shops than I am.

*looks at picture again*

Yep, ass still looks good.

The legs are in an odd position. One leg twisted to being parallel with the view of the viewer (the bent left one.) The right leg is almost perpendicular to the view. She is turning her body away from the camera while looking back and with the right leg staying stationary. Odd pose, but not bizarre.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:56 AM (zZu0s)

265 "It's only 7% a year over 5 years"

Are YOU getting 7% raises GUARANTEED for the next 5 years? Didn't think so. So the same hard left radicals responsible for the inflation are also insulating themselves best from the results of their own policies, as usual. Let them eat 0 wages for awhile.

Posted by: Chuck Hemangioma at September 18, 2023 11:56 AM (Elawr)

266 Abso-F*ckin-Lutely!

This is a vital point, and one that should guide the conservative movement's support for generations to come.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (lQONO)

Agreed. And next do native born Of Color folks.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:56 AM (k9bXa)

267 > Someone in the comments makes an interesting point, too. How much are you spending on drinks and snacks for the family while you wait the 45 minutes to charge, and is that included in the "savings" of an EV?
_____________

I'm unaware of any EV that charges from "empty" to near full in 45 minutes. They typically take hours. Even with an industrial "fast charger."

Unless they're just getting enough juice to get to the next charger. Which is asinine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2023 11:57 AM (Q4IgG)

268 The war of Nothern Aggression was based on the assumption that the way Britain did plantations was the same as American did it. American with slaves were not Absentee Landlords. The British model was both in the West Indies and Ireland.
Posted by: Pudinhead
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Sorry, not much difference. Slavery from conquests killed off the very Roman freeholders ability to compete in farming, etc.

The absentee landlord versus landlords on site don't make that much difference--the difference is having to pay workers versus buying them as livestock. To some degree, the South is still screwed up by the bidness over individual rights. This leads to the Good Ole Boys syndrome running state and local governments which is little different than the Irish running machine politics in northern cities. The general population gets shit on while the insiders profit. In California, it was the guys owning railroads and banks that screwed people enough to get the initiative system started.

Power corrupts and as it increases with the state being its natural ally, then the common people suffer. Same if it is economic power, political power, military power, and so on.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 11:57 AM (5jVrT)

269 Chuck Schemer Axes Senate Dress Code Following Criticism of Lumpy Fetterman’s Hoodies: Report

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He's a Senate House 2.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 11:57 AM (FVME7)

270 When you flash your lights at me as I'm speeding past you, be thankful I don't have a sewage eject button.

Ah, you do know that flashing lights from the vehicle being passed means "you are past me and clear to change back into this lane," right?

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (nfrXX)

271 My neighbor bought some Chevy electric car and the battery went tits up. It's been at the dealership for 6 months. heh

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (NtVYv)

272 My driving has evolved to the point where I don't use the turn signal UNLESS there is another vehicle that will be affected by my actions. In other words, if I'm driving down the highway, and you're doing 64 in a 65 zone, I'm passing you if there are no other cars coming the other way. You don't need me to signal.

When you flash your lights at me as I'm speeding past you, be thankful I don't have a sewage eject button.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (k9bXa)

You should signal as a matter of courtesy, regardless. Who knows? It might keep some asshole from taking offense, and running you into the ditch.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (zE3+g)

273 206
'People who consider themselves "conservative" should never have been on the side of the people who had the scales tilted in their favor, the ones who opposed a free market at virtually every turn.'

In my defense (?), it took me a long time to figure that out.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (Hszs6)

274 There's an IBEW headhunter that's always trying to get the hubby and his coworkers to join the union whenever they run into him, which is on a somewhat regular basis.

Hub tells him the same thing every time.

Not no, but hell no.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (pzpzm)

275 How much an hour is your time worth?

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That's the key if people will see it.

It's not "what is your time worth to YOU", but "what is your time worth to THEM"

The answer is nothing. You and your family are nothing to them.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (SfD1B)

276 How do you lose an F-35?

Chinese backdoor chips hit eject then flew to sea landing near Chinese fishing trawler.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (TZJ3f)

277 273 In my defense (?), it took me a long time to figure that out.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (Hszs6)

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Can you blame me?

I was in high school and W was Christian!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 11:59 AM (LvTSG)

278 You must be looking at different shops than I am.

*looks at picture again*

Yep, ass still looks good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:56 AM (zZu0s)


Ignore them. They just aren't used to seeing and looking at real women who aren't animated.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 11:59 AM (lQONO)

279 Ah, you do know that flashing lights from the vehicle being passed means "you are past me and clear to change back into this lane," right?
Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (nfrXX)

I always do that for semis. Cars and other standard trucks not so much.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

280 +1 on the flashing / on-off when it's safe to return to the right lane. That's an incredibly useful practice for RVers and truckers, too.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 18, 2023 12:00 PM (SfD1B)

281 Ah, you do know that flashing lights from the vehicle being passed means "you are past me and clear to change back into this lane," right?
Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (nfrXX)

Not the way I do it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM (ACEtJ)

282 Most people do not want an 'lectric vehicle. And those millions of aliens dancing across the border, I don't really see them going for them at all.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM (XeHMZ)

283 The principle thing a college degree does is ruin a person's willingness to work in the trades.


It does make them willing to work at Starbucks.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:41 AM


Able, maybe. Willing?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM (FVJNG)

284 "Ah, you do know that flashing lights from the vehicle being passed means "you are past me and clear to change back into this lane," right?"

I'd say no, since it is a courtesy. Like signaling.

Posted by: Pace Picante Cowboy at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM (Z8Yh2)

285 Truth is, the concepts that have been argued over for more than a century, corps v. labor was always false. People who consider themselves "conservative" should never have been on the side of the people who had the scales tilted in their favor, the ones who opposed a free market at virtually every turn.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:44 AM (iKVbK)

Fuckin A. And it took me a long time to figure that one out too.

Posted by: Excellent point, good sir at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM (dhxes)

286 280 +1 on the flashing / on-off when it's safe to return to the right lane. That's an incredibly useful practice for RVers and truckers, too.
Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 18, 2023 12:00 PM (SfD1B)

=========

"Oh, that asshole. I'm gonna make him pay."
-The guy 15 carlengths ahead of you who thinks it's directed at him for no reason

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

287 Here's Biden's niece: Missy Owens, GM
Strategic Leader | Environmental and Sustainability Policy | Social Impact | Communications | Federal & Diplomatic Relations

Who's interviewing her opinion about the UAW strike?

PS - She's also been in other news of late going back to when working for the U.S. Treasury during O & Joe admin. However, I'm not trying to point a finger specifically at Ms. Owens but rather the frequent "interface" of government/business/unions.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (GshMh)

288 F-14, accidental Backseater Ejection:

https://tinyurl.com/ytrfr5kf


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Very interesting story. I can only imagine the shock of the back-seater guest who didn't know what to do with his hands and accidentally pulled on the ejector stick and in seconds was hurtling towards earth. Oops!

Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (oiNtH)

289 I always do that for semis. Cars and other standard trucks not so much.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

And semi drivers appreciate it, and will often give you a brief flash of the rear-facing cargo lamp as an acknowledgement.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (zE3+g)

290 232
'The war of Nothern Aggression was based on the assumption that the way Britain did plantations was the same as American did it. American with slaves were not Absentee Landlords. The British model was both in the West Indies and Ireland.'

If I had read this, I would have been too confused to make war.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (Hszs6)

291 I'm still wondering what happens when 2030 or 2035 arrives and EVs are 14% of all autos.

--

My money is on emissions bans. Not BAN-bans, silly. Nobody is going to ban your gas car you stupid conspiracy theorist.

No, you can own your gas car. You can own all you want. you just can't title them or drive them on public roads. Or buy gas for them.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (SfD1B)

292 I always do that for semis. Cars and other standard trucks not so much.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

Me too. I do it for semis, but not for cars.

Truckers know what the signal means. Idiots in cars rarely do...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (lQONO)

293 Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 11:53 AM (k9bXa)

You should signal as a matter of courtesy, regardless. Who knows? It might keep some asshole from taking offense, and running you into the ditch.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (zE3+g)

Road nannies don't deserve courtesy.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (ACEtJ)

294 I'm unaware of any EV that charges from "empty" to near full in 45 minutes. They typically take hours. Even with an industrial "fast charger."

Unless they're just getting enough juice to get to the next charger. Which is asinine.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2023 11:57 AM (Q4IgG)
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"Fast charge" is much faster than that, at least on a Tesla - though it can't (IIRC) get you all the way to 100%.

Hauling the battery of a Model 3 long range model from 20% charge to 80% charge (+60% charge) on a fully-powered "Supercharger" takes about 20 minutes. That is probably fairly common - don't charge to 100%, but range-optimize your charging exercise as compared to time taken. Exhaust the fast charge potential and then move on.

There are other consequences to that, though. Fast charging is hell on the battery chemistry and will seriously reduce the operational life of the battery back if you use it as your primary recharge method. Most don't, per my understanding - "supercharging" is more of a long trip thing, not a daily drive thing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)

295 How do you lose an F-35?

Chinese backdoor chips hit eject then flew to sea landing near Chinese fishing trawler.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM


Very James Bond. I like it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:02 PM (FVJNG)

296 Most people do not want an 'lectric vehicle. And those millions of aliens dancing across the border, I don't really see them going for them at all.
Posted by: washrivergal
___

There's already a shortage of mechanics that are able to work on EVs.

In fact, there's a shortage of electricians needed to work on them.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (pzpzm)

297 You should signal as a matter of courtesy, regardless.

Why give away a tactical advantage? ;-)

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (YRsIm)

298 And the semi's usually flash their lights to say 'thanks.'

Or 'fuck off asshole.' could be either one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (zZu0s)

299 297 You should signal as a matter of courtesy, regardless.

Why give away a tactical advantage? ;-)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (YRsIm)

That's just what they'll be expecting us to do...

Posted by: Robert Stack at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (zZu0s)

300 DC Enquirer: New Reuters Poll Has Trump Winning 2024 Rematch Against Biden In Electoral Landslide - 312 To 226
Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2023 11:40 AM (RHGPo)


So, close to the unfortified 2020 results?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (GYIa4)

301 My Ranger has that built-in. Annoying as hell and a huge waste as it causes wear and tea on the starter and probably waste more gas on-restarts than it saves. I'm going to come up with a home-built overide if I can't find one.
Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (JojsZ)

autostopeliminator dot com

Posted by: Barry S at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (53oGX)

302 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM (/aIEN)

303 Chinese backdoor chips hit eject then flew to sea landing near Chinese fishing trawler.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 18, 2023 11:58

Eric Swallwell know all about Chinese back door!

Posted by: Fan Fan at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM (dhxes)

304 Some will, the most unrealistic ones. But many will eventually settle down with a guy aligned with them in desirability. Marriage and family are still huge motivators, even among young people. It's not for me -- for a dozen different reasons -- and but it seems to be for a lot of others. So long as that exists, there will be an off-ramp for unrealistic ladies otherwise headed to Catsville.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Japan says you are wrong. The world has changed for young 'uns and the process will always be slower in rural versus urban areas but it is more likely you see something like marriage for the upper 20-30 percent of the population and 60-70 percent of the population with ships passing in the night type relationships because in bad economic times, most people don't 'invest' in relationships, houses, etc.

Same thing happened in Great Britain during the Enclosures which led to Hogarth's prints denoting the decline and Dickens documenting the effects on the common person.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM (5jVrT)

305 off pole smoking sock...

Posted by: Inogame at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM (53oGX)

306 +1 on the flashing / on-off when it's safe to return to the right lane. That's an incredibly useful practice for RVers and truckers, too.
Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 18, 2023 12:00 PM (SfD1B)
++++
When I'm on the highway, I don't always flash lights to indicate that it's safe for the overtaking vehicle to move back over. I do it in a few scenarios:
- Heavy traffic, especially if the guy behind the guy overtaking is really aggressive
- Trucks, RVs and vehicles with trailers when in heavy traffic
- Trucks, RVs and vehicles with trailers when at night or in reduced visibility

Open road in daylight, though? There's little point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

307 EV's are proof that you can be both gullible and stupid and still have money.

What a great country!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 18, 2023 12:05 PM (UkqCM)

308 Democrats/ Marxists are running the Pennsylvania voting so bet on their horse

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2023 12:05 PM (/aIEN)

309 "Ah, you do know that flashing lights from the vehicle being passed means "you are past me and clear to change back into this lane," right?"

I'd say no, since it is a courtesy. Like signaling.
Posted by: Pace Picante Cowboy at September 18, 2023 12:01 PM


Your words..."courtesy" and "signaling"... as a MA driver, they confuse and frighten me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (FVJNG)

310 'People who consider themselves "conservative" should never have been on the side of the people who had the scales tilted in their favor, the ones who opposed a free market at virtually every turn.'
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In my defense (?), it took me a long time to figure that out.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2023 11:58 AM (Hszs6)

Same here. They made it seem cool to be in bed with Big Corps, and to look down on labor.

Like rooting for the local sportball team. There's no logical reason for me to be in favor of this team over that, I was just taught that's how it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (ACEtJ)

311
Okay,, I know where the F35 is. See,, I had to abandon the ISS in an emergency escape pod. Well, on the way down the pod malfunctioned so I hopped out of it, and pulled the rip cord on my chute. Suddenly, outta' the blue this F35 is closing in on me. So I cut the chute off and jumped on the cowl of the plane. This apparently freaked out the pilot so he ejects and I jump into the seat. Now I'm headed to Plains ...

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (X4yCj)

312 309 Your words..."courtesy" and "signaling"... as a MA driver, they confuse and frighten me.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (FVJNG)

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Let's translate to, "I'm going to curse your existence, but I won't follow you home."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

313 The leggy brunette in polka dots opposes any kind of legal limits or regulation on compensation, but thinks that boards of directors need to wise the hell up about making long-term success a much stronger part of executive compensation:
https://is.gd/DReCGj
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)


Looking at the face, I'm not sure that's not a dude.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)

314 Eric Swallwell know all about Chinese back door!
Posted by: Fan Fan at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM


Couldn't keep his own shut, though.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:07 PM (FVJNG)

315 "Like rooting for the local sportball team. There's no logical reason for me to be in favor of this team over that, I was just taught that's how it is."

I had a colleague at work that said "They are all a bunch of hirelings," referring to the San Diego Chargers.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 18, 2023 12:07 PM (JkeTM)

316 315 "Like rooting for the local sportball team. There's no logical reason for me to be in favor of this team over that, I was just taught that's how it is."

I had a colleague at work that said "They are all a bunch of hirelings," referring to the San Diego Chargers.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 18, 2023 12:07 PM (JkeTM)

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Rams were never the same after Warren Beatty died.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

317 308 Democrats/ Marxists are running the Pennsylvania voting so bet on their horse
Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2023 12:05 PM (/aIEN)

Everybody marvel at Frankenlump's new Mustache!

Isn't he just wonderful?

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (UnA8+)

318 Salaries.

I've been looking at the compensation of healthcare executives, and asking myself, 'Exactly what skill, talent, level of labor, or personal risk merits a $20,000,000 salary?'

I mean, this guy walks into the office door every morning, sits down and does...what? You can be certain of one thing, it has very little to do with actual health care. In fact, it will have to do with minimizing costs/services, and maximizing profits.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (yMEwp)

319
Looking at the face, I'm not sure that's not a dude.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)

*looks at photo again*

No side boob. Her face is odd.

I hate the modern era.

Posted by: Robert Stack at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (zZu0s)

320 Amusingly, Kaepernick wants back on the plantation. Weirdest slave system I've ever seen.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (I/Qkd)

321 Your words..."courtesy" and "signaling"... as a MA driver, they confuse and frighten me.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (FVJNG)

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Let's translate to, "I'm going to curse your existence, but I won't follow you home."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM


I hate MA drivers. Just saying.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (FVJNG)

322 /off Airplane! sock

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 12:09 PM (zZu0s)

323
There's already a shortage of mechanics that are able to work on EVs.

In fact, there's a shortage of electricians needed to work on them.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 18, 2023 12:03 PM (pzpzm)

+++
For some reason, the government never works out the kinks when they jump into their latest fiasco. No planning, no forethought, damn the results. Just to it.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 18, 2023 12:09 PM (XeHMZ)

324 They should probably stop voting for democrats then

Posted by: McDizzle at September 18, 2023 12:09 PM (97RSK)

325 Good news, everybody!

The Democrats
@TheDemocrats
Annual inflation has fallen by about 60% since last summer.
Bidenomics is working.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)

326 Or 'fuck off asshole.' could be either one.

Well, it is a low bandwidth channel so sometimes messages can be uncertain.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2023 12:09 PM (nfrXX)

327 Whoever said Republican presidential candidates should go join the picket line was right.

Instead, they allow the Dems the whole field, both sides of the issue without consequences.

F the ignorant big business Chamber Republicans.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (k01Bj)

328 I want both of them to lose.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (17s+e)

329 Flashing headlights at oncoming vehicles used to mean; some sort of issue in the road ahead or a speed trap.

Guy flashed his headlights at me one day, first time I'd ever seen it, and did likewise. Got pulled over by a local cop who quizzed me about why I flashed my lights. Told him someone did it to me, so I did it back.

Even back in the 70's cops were looking for reasons to bust your ass as a matter of principle.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (Q4IgG)

330
I mean, this guy walks into the office door every morning, sits down and does...what? You can be certain of one thing, it has very little to do with actual health care. In fact, it will have to do with minimizing costs/services, and maximizing profits.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, e

Deciding not to give nurse's a 6% raise so they all quit then hiring them back as travel nurses at rates that are MUCH higher than the asked increase. That's what he does.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (CIS44)

331 My Ranger has that built-in. Annoying as hell and a huge waste as it causes wear and tea on the starter and probably waste more gas on-restarts than it saves. I'm going to come up with a home-built overide if I can't find one.
Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (JojsZ)


I've seen videos on YT for a system that remembers how you have it set and, basically, pushes the button for you when you start the engine.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (GYIa4)

332 If any car company deserves to die because of greed it's Stellantis.

They have jacked prices of their vehicles nearly 50 pct in the last 3 years.

The OTD price on my 2015 JKU was $27k, accounting for inflation that car should be around $35k today, right now, you'd be lucky to get one OTD for just under 50k.

Anyone that buys a new Wrangler is nuts.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (XV/Pl)

333 Fucking Twitchy is useless anymore, as the Twatter links won't load. So you get only half the dialog. It's like watching a dog dry-hump...air.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2023 11:24 AM (zE3+g)

No problem with them loading for me. Toshiba laptop, Windows 8.1. I use both Firefox and Chrome. Comcast cable, with my own cable modem and router with Wi-Fi.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (Zvtjl)

334 Good news, everybody!

The Democrats
@TheDemocrats
Annual inflation has fallen by about 60% since last summer.
Bidenomics is working.
----
The Titanic is sinking 60% slower!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (k01Bj)

335 Democrats/ Marxists are running the Pennsylvania voting so bet on their horse
Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2023 12:05 PM (/aIEN)

One theory of course, is that cheating only works when it's close. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but if you run a weasel teevee "doctor," or a somewhat odd former athlete, you give them opportunity to effectively shove in however many votes they need to win.

That said, Kari Lake SHOULD have won comfortably. Somehow, she didn't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (pBHM9)

336 301 My Ranger has that built-in. Annoying as hell and a huge waste as it causes wear and tea on the starter and probably waste more gas on-restarts than it saves. I'm going to come up with a home-built overide if I can't find one.
Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2023 11:48 AM (JojsZ)

autostopeliminator dot com


how is it at filtering cats?

Posted by: anachronda at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (oY6Yp)

337 332 If any car company deserves to die because of greed it's Stellantis.

They have jacked prices of their vehicles nearly 50 pct in the last 3 years.

The OTD price on my 2015 JKU was $27k, accounting for inflation that car should be around $35k today, right now, you'd be lucky to get one OTD for just under 50k.

Anyone that buys a new Wrangler is nuts.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2023 12:10 PM (XV/Pl)

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Big companies aren't allowed to die anymore. They're too big to fail, and they would lead to uncomfortableness for the elite running them...also some loyal Democrat voters, I guess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

338 And the CA AG has filed a lawsuit against all the oil companies because of the weather or something.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (JTwsP)

339 Sure Ford loses $32K/EV sold but they will make it up on volume... or government bailouts.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (17s+e)

340 334 Good news, everybody!

The Democrats
@TheDemocrats
Annual inflation has fallen by about 60% since last summer.
Bidenomics is working.
----
The Titanic is sinking 60% slower!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (k01Bj)

=======

And it's kicking up again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

341 Eric Swallwell know all about Chinese back door!
Posted by: Fan Fan at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM

Couldn't keep his own shut, though.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2023 12:07 PM


Pfffft.

Posted by: Eric Swalwell (Dirtbag-CA) at September 18, 2023 12:12 PM (a3Q+t)

342 For some reason, the government never works out the kinks when they jump into their latest fiasco. No planning, no forethought, damn the results. Just to it.
Posted by: washrivergal
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This is about me, isn't it.

Posted by: Kudzu at September 18, 2023 12:12 PM (yMEwp)

343 334 Good news, everybody!

The Democrats
@TheDemocrats
Annual inflation has fallen by about 60% since last summer.
Bidenomics is working.
----
The Titanic is sinking 60% slower!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (k01Bj)

Good analogy. The water has already been taken on, you have just changed the rate at which it is coming in. (Which they really haven't.)

Congrats!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 12:12 PM (zZu0s)

344 Fox News
@FoxNews
BREAKING: Hunter Biden sues IRS, alleges agents tried to 'target' and 'embarrass' him

-
Those bastards!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 18, 2023 12:12 PM (FVME7)

345 335 One theory of course, is that cheating only works when it's close. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but if you run a weasel teevee "doctor," or a somewhat odd former athlete, you give them opportunity to effectively shove in however many votes they need to win.

That said, Kari Lake SHOULD have won comfortably. Somehow, she didn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:11 PM (pBHM9)

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Because PA sent out 250,000 "accidental" mail in ballots it was not authorized to send before the election, and because AZ's signature verification was so bad that a federal court ruled it out of line with state law...10 months after the election.

These races were not close. The cheating was massive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:13 PM (LvTSG)

346 Nood. More FBI protection for "The Big Guy".

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:13 PM (GYIa4)

347 Nood... something.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 18, 2023 12:13 PM (zZu0s)

348 Sure Ford loses $32K/EV sold but they will make it up on volume... or government bailouts.
Posted by: Jukin
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Heh. Like our City Council, 'It will be paid for out of future revenues'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2023 12:13 PM (+M3be)

349 Looking at the face, I'm not sure that's not a dude.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)

Yup. strong Alexis Arquette vibe.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Exactly Streets Ahead at September 18, 2023 12:14 PM (xPJvm)

350 F the ignorant big business Chamber Republicans.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Manager types are not the same as entrepreneurs and the GOP elite is loaded with managerial type that dislike what they consider uppity people in their own coalition. The GOP elite have far more commonality with the Dem elite than either of them do with their actual voting base. That is the basis for the Uniparty.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 12:14 PM (5jVrT)

351 "In a letter to shareholders, Bill Ford Jr. acknowledged that 2022 financial results, which included a $2 billion net loss, "did not meet our high expectations.""

Biden and the wise "people" at democrat underground assured me that the auto corps had record profits.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 18, 2023 12:14 PM (17s+e)

352 @337

>>Big companies aren't allowed to die anymore. They're too big to fail, and they would lead to uncomfortableness for the elite running them...also some loyal Democrat voters, I guess.

The maniacs running the world are like Boris Balkan, dousing themselves in gasoline while standing in the middle of a pentagram attempting to open the Ninth Gate.

This is all not going to end well.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2023 12:14 PM (XV/Pl)

353 @TheDemocrats
...
Bidenomics is working.


That's the problem- it's working.

Posted by: t-bird at September 18, 2023 12:15 PM (ptElO)

354 Great write up Buck. 100% in agreement. Unions will redeem themselves. We need all the help we can get. We're not getting any help from our Republican corporate overlords that I can guaranfuckingtee you

Posted by: Mike N Ikes at September 18, 2023 12:15 PM (8+MoB)

355 For some reason, the government never works out the kinks when they jump into their latest fiasco. No planning, no forethought, damn the results. Just to it.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 18, 2023 12:09 PM (XeHMZ)


See Amtrak for reference.

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2023 12:16 PM (gmo/4)

356 313 The leggy brunette in polka dots opposes any kind of legal limits or regulation on compensation, but thinks that boards of directors need to wise the hell up about making long-term success a much stronger part of executive compensation:
https://is.gd/DReCGj
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)

Looking at the face, I'm not sure that's not a dude.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)

Also a bit odd of a picture to take at a funeral home, but these days I guess I'm not surprised.

Posted by: Inogame at September 18, 2023 12:16 PM (53oGX)

357 Looking at the face, I'm not sure that's not a dude.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)

Photoshop does weird things, so maybe that's it, but yeah. Definite trannie vibes going on.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:17 PM (k9bXa)

358 If I am driving down the road and someone flashes their high beams, I immediately thing that there is a speed trap up ahead.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 18, 2023 12:17 PM (JkeTM)

359 LOL. The unions are realizing that Trump was great for them.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 18, 2023 12:18 PM (JkeTM)

360 357 Looking at the face, I'm not sure that's not a dude.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)

Photoshop does weird things, so maybe that's it, but yeah. Definite trannie vibes going on.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:17 PM (k9bXa)

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But CBD is into it, apparently.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

361 Noodus Ace informants

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 18, 2023 12:19 PM (J2vNu)

362 Rams were never the same after Warren Beatty died.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 18, 2023 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

Article I saw this morning said the Rams monstrosity of a stadium was over half filled with 49ers fans.

Speaking of, before Kappernack came along, they had a QB who was obviously a flamer. I forget his name, but I thought at least they were being true to their fans.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:20 PM (k9bXa)

363 PS -
Remarks by President Biden Celebrating Labor Day, 9/4/23: In part: "And, by the way, we’re going to transition to an electric vehicle future made in America. It will be made in America. (Applause.) And that protects and expands good union jobs.

Auto manufacturing has large been a middle- — largely been a middle-class career with good pay that you could raise a family on. Well, that’s not going to change on my watch. (Applause.)

Look, one of the core principles throughout everything we’ve done is this: Make it in America with American products, with American labor. (Applause.)

Most people don’t know there’s been a federal law on the books. And 20 years ago, I didn’t know it either, to be honest with you.

Since 1933, the law says that when Congress appropriates money for the president to administer, whether it’s for an aircraft carrier or a federal highway, the president is supposed to hire American workers and use only American products."

And: "I’m a capitalist. The poor do well. And guess what? You can still be a millionaire or billionaire, except one thing: Pay your taxes."
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> GSA Federal vehicle standards website for 2024 (vehicles)

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at September 18, 2023 12:22 PM (GshMh)

364 349 Yup. strong Alexis Arquette vibe.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Exactly Streets Ahead at September 18, 2023 12:14 PM (xPJvm)

Call him what his father named him.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 12:22 PM (UnA8+)

365 362 Speaking of, before Kappernack came along, they had a QB who was obviously a flamer. I forget his name, but I thought at least they were being true to their fans.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2023 12:20 PM (k9bXa)

Jeff Garcia.

But he was in a relationship with Playboy Model Carmella DeCasare, and unless she was a carpet-muncher, I'm not sure why she'd agree to be his beard.

Posted by: XTC at September 18, 2023 12:23 PM (UnA8+)

366 No fan of unions but they very well may redeem themselves. Wspexially if they get on the trump train. We need all the help we can get. We're not getting any help from our Republican corporate overlords that I can guaranfuckingtee you ... and it is hilarious reading the bloviating NeoCon cabalists here as they run out of HATE UNIONS huffing gas. Retards. Go over to Instapanzy and get your fix.

Posted by: Mike N Ikes at September 18, 2023 12:28 PM (+XwV5)

367 There are plenty of people on the left who want to ban individual car ownership, lock us into 15-minute cities, etc. I oppose these things.

But the EV transition is now inevitable. Government could drop all subsidies and EVs would still rule within ten years.

I drive a Tesla and it's simply the best car I have ever owned. I don't wish I could drive an ICE. As the cost of EVs keeps ratcheting downward, buyers will overwhelmingly choose EVs. I think the USA could see EV sales hit 50% of all cars as early as 2026, because the sales curves are so steep.

The legacy car makers need to use ICE sales to subsidize their investments into EVs, but if they don't invest in EVs they will die soon. Even if they could somehow kill Tesla there are all the Chinese companies.

I'm in favor of letting everyone choose what kind of car they want to buy. But once ICE costs a lot more than EV, most people will choose the EV, and this will cause a death spiral for any company that can only sell ICE.

Tesla is driving down their cost to build cars. The unions want to drive up the costs at companies that are already in huge trouble. It won't end well.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 18, 2023 12:55 PM (LNPSJ)

368 I read that they were looking for a 46% wage increase and a 32-hour week.

Yeah. That makes it a hard choice who to root against more.

Posted by: Lee Also at September 18, 2023 01:02 PM (YPgjG)

369 See the "Valley of Death" graph from Twitter/X poster @jpr007

https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/1643462325465407492

I believe that Ford will take its BEV division and spin it off into a separate company, and let their ICE division crash and burn. As for GM, at this point I think they are doomed. VW looks pretty doomed, Toyota also.

The big winners will be Tesla and all the Chinese EV companies.

As an American I am happy that we have Tesla: the home team is going to have the largest single chunk of the car market in ten years. Absent Tesla, it would be all Chinese companies.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 18, 2023 01:04 PM (LNPSJ)

370 A market wage for union work on an assembly line is $12 an hour. They are greedy pigs who have been overpaid for way too long.
Posted by: Montec


Especially since robots do most of the heavy lifting.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2023 11:10 AM (5apCz)
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I'm not sure if either of you have worked in a US auto plant. Yes, there are many robots, and lift assists. And I share your disdain for the leadership of the unions. A majority of the people they represent actually probably voted for Trump. But it is not easy work. And they have, working with engineers, made amazing improvements in quality. You know all those quality/reliability scores you read about. The difference between the best and the rest is almost invisible - to the point that the comparison is worthless, it just sells magazines.

The union worker - not their leadership - are on my side right now.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2023 03:03 PM (GZYu7)

371 The manufacturers may benefit from a temporary stoppage in production, at least for a while.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 18, 2023 11:15 AM (hCzfy)
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The problem is the plants they struck are the vehicles everyone wants to buy - not a bunch of inventory laying around.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2023 03:05 PM (GZYu7)

372 I drive a Tesla and it's simply the best car I have ever owned. I don't wish I could drive an ICE. As the cost of EVs keeps ratcheting downward, buyers will overwhelmingly choose EVs. I think the USA could see EV sales hit 50% of all cars as early as 2026, because the sales curves are so steep.
==
OK that is silly. They actually are losing popularity - and will increase losing popularity when the battery packs die. We are already seeing increased insurance premiums because of the need to total out a car for smaller damages.

For those green among us - fuel cells - which Toyota is going hard into - might be a better answer. If we can get the technology right.

EVs have a green problem (they aren't, so they don't solve the problem for which they were supposedly created), they have a huge lithium supply issue (we don't have enough), and no plan to deal with the battery's eventual failure.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2023 03:09 PM (GZYu7)

373 Some will, the most unrealistic ones. But many will eventually settle down with a guy aligned with them in desirability. Marriage and family are still huge motivators, even among young people. It's not for me -- for a dozen different reasons -- and but it seems to be for a lot of others. So long as that exists, there will be an off-ramp for unrealistic ladies otherwise headed to Catsville.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Japan says you are wrong. The world has changed for young 'uns and the process will always be slower in rural versus urban areas but it is more likely you see something like marriage for the upper 20-30 percent of the population and 60-70 percent of the population with ships passing in the night type relationships because in bad economic times, most people don't 'invest' in relationships, houses, etc. Same thing happened in Great Britain during the Enclosures which led to Hogarth's prints denoting the decline and Dickens documenting the effects on the common person.

Posted by: whig at September 18, 2023 12:04 PM (5jVrT)
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Half of women college grads are forecast to never marry - most lower classes in the US already have a marriage drought.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2023 03:12 PM (GZYu7)

374 "I’ll become a vocal defender of corporate management again when they become loyal Americans again..."

Since they convinced conservatives to start outsourcing jobs to China, they haven't bothered to pass on the savings - instead they just pocketed the new profits, while more and more Americans were left without work and ended up on welfare, and fell into despair. Yes, I sound like a leftist, but until these companies bring jobs home, I will view them as anti-American parasites.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at September 18, 2023 03:37 PM (V8yYW)

375 “Why aren’t we making everything in the world here?” Crap like this. Seriously.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 18, 2023 04:15 PM (Y5TFi)

376 #372 @Black JEM

[EVs] actually are losing popularity

That's just silly. The Tesla Model Y is the top-selling car in the world. Look at the trend lines on EV sales... it's an exponential curve, just now hitting the really fast part.

Companies like VW are claiming their customers don't want EVs but Tesla continues to sell every car they make, and the Chinese companies aren't having any trouble selling either.

and will increase losing popularity when the battery packs die.

That's just FUD. I remember the same claims back when the Prius first came out... yet every taxi I see is a Prius. I guess the taxi companies just like wasting money?

A Tesla battery pack loses about 12% of its capacity after 200K miles. Will an internal combustion engine even still work after 200K miles?

Posted by: mr_jack at September 18, 2023 04:38 PM (7VrcY)

377 Time to burn some Ecology Flags

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at September 18, 2023 05:12 PM (wGqjj)

378 Woke corporate management vs union thugs?

Iran/Iraq

Here's hoping for massive pain on both.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at September 18, 2023 06:10 PM (Qt4kF)

379 Morning all. Having fun over @ the Twitter thingy.
Posted some old threads I found out there.

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at September 19, 2023 10:45 AM (qN0GC)

380 Thank you for the good writeup. It in truth was once a entertainment account it.
Glance complex to more delivered agreeable from you!
However, how can we keep in touch?

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