Gun Thread: Fifth Anniversary Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Jumping Atomic Shitballs! FIVE YEARS! How in the ever-loving hell has it been five years, or two-hundred sixty weeks that we've been doing this? Ho-Le-krap!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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In Gun Thread, Weasel Thanks YOU
Guys and Gals, I say this every week, but thank you. Little did I know five years ago when I agreed to fill in for a few weeks that five fricking years later the weekly Gun Thread would still be a thing. I cannot thank you enough! I'm sure I've told this story before, but when I started, I wanted to offer a welcoming and friendly "tone" where shooters of all experience levels, and particularly new and beginning shooters, would find a place to hang out and have a few laughs and maybe learn something in the process. No joke - the sweet spot I was looking for was something between the Pet Thread and the Gardening Thread. I'm not sure I always manage to achieve such lofty goals, but it's definitely not for a lack of trying.

I credit the success of our little weekly confab entirely to you, the faithful regulars and participants. I know we have a lot of regular lurkers out there because I hear from many of them by email, and if I had one wish it'd be for them to speak up and make their voices heard in the comments. As I said, I try to make this a friendly and welcoming place because I remember all too vividly beginning to learn about guns and shooting and thinking my questions were obviously retarded and that I didn't have anything to add to any of the online conversations. That is why my main rule here is for everyone to treat each other with a big dose of friendly respect. There are stupid questions, but you will never find them here.

As hard as it is to believe, there is all sorts of bullshit on the internet especially in gun related forums but there is a lot of good information too. The problem becomes separating the good from the bad which can at times be overwhelming if not downright impossible without being made to feel like an idiot in the process. That's why I don't tolerate fighting in the War Room and also why I'm not a fan of current events discussions in the thread, but rather prefer to see the focus remain on guns 'n shooting. We are simply inundated daily with highly charged and polarizing information and frankly a teeensy-weeeensy bit of that is about all I can stand. I'm just old and cranky and set in my ways and for the most part don't really give a shit what the rest of the world is doing or thinking. But I digress.

Back to the topic at hand. Writing the thread each week can sometimes be a pain in the ass, but all of that is forgotten when I hit the GO! button Sundays at 7pm and watch all of my online pals start trickling in and saying howdy. I really do appreciate each and every one of you and the fact you choose to spend some of your time here. It means a lot to me, and I hope to meet as many of you as possible in Texas soon!

Happy Anniversary!

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Guns of the Horde
Well we've already had one Holy Jumping Atomic Shitballs in this edition of the Gun Thread, but I daresay this muy excellento contribution from our pal Ed L deserves another!

Source: FN Browning Pistols: Sidearms That Shaped History, by Tony Vanderlinden, 3rd Edition, 2022.
It's fairly well known that the Germans produced the FN Hi-Power pistol in the hundreds of thousands to arm German forces in WWII. It's not so well known that FN continued production of pistols, including the High Power, after US forces liberated Liege and the FN factory. This pistol is one of those produced after the liberation.
When the US 3rd Armored Division rolled into Liege in hot pursuit of retreating German forces on September 7, 1944, FN directors expected that FN would produce more pistols to support the Allied war effort. The US Army had other ideas. Instead, the US Army awarded FN contracts to build "duck bill" track extenders for M4 Sherman tanks to reduce the Sherman's tendency to bog down in mud and snow due to its narrow tracks. FN also got an Army contract to produce several thousand five-gallon jerry cans for US Army vehicles.
But FN didn't stop making pistols during this time. Using parts left behind by the Germans, FN began assembling new pistols, with the first ones entering the finished products warehouse on September 12, 1944. GIs came to FN by the hundreds, purchasing practically everything delivered the warehouse, mostly pistols. The GIs, and their money, brought hope to a grim situation. Ninety percent of the FN workforce were liberated slave laborers who had nowhere else to go. There was no electricity or heat, and the windows were soon shattered by V-1 hits on the FN factory, including three on Christmas Day, 1944. Workers slept in or near their workplaces in the factory. These were the conditions under which this "Post-Liberation" FN High Power was built.

This example of a "Post-Liberation" FN High Power features a better-quality finish than those delivered to the Germans in the last days prior to liberation. The frame is a leftover part abandoned by the Germans, evidenced by the German made "S" (denoting a "pass" on a visual QC check) on the left side of the frame partly removed by polishing. There are rough machining marks clearly visible on the small parts such as the slide stop and trigger.

As best it could, FN tried to restore a semblance of its pre-war QC/QA inspection and acceptance processes. The marking above the "P.V." is meant to show a rampant lion, the Belgian state symbol. The "P.V." stands for "Poudre Vive," meaning that the pistol (frame, slide, and barrel) passed test firing using smokeless powder cartridges. The "Y" is a code for inspector Leon Chesnoy. As one of the first inspectors to return to his job, his "Y" code appears on the majority of post-liberation FN pistols produced in 1944. The proof marks and inspector acceptance stamp, along with the final Liege proof also appear on the barrel in the ejection port.
The prefix "A" (for "Allemand," German in French) was added to the serial number to denote pistols that used parts made under German occupation. FN deemed these parts substandard and acted to move these parts out of inventory as quickly as possible. It's known that pistol A466 was purchased on December 4, 1944. Therefore, this pistol, A532, would have been made slightly later in December 1944 or early January 1945 - just in time for the Battle of the Bulge. By spring 1945, FN began to supplement, then replace, German occupation parts with parts hidden away from the Germans, ending the "A" prefix pistol run. However, FN would not produce its own parts again for new High Powers until 1946.

Double Holy Jumping Atomic Shitballs, Ed L! Thank you! This, guys and gals, is how it is done!

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Charter Arms Bulldog
Last week we took a peek at the Charter Arms Pitbull, so how about this week we take a look at the Charter Arms Bulldog! Here's our pal hickok45 with a quick look video.

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M1A Maintenance
We've been talking about the M1 and M1A a lot lately, so how about couple of a maintenance videos? The first guy mentions a couple of types of gun grease he likes, and I will add a third: Lubriplate 130A Grease. Amazon has it also for a few dollars more.

and...

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Size Matters!
Your gun is puny and laughable.

Twofer!

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Night Skies
One of my favorite things to do at the farm is to watch the nite sky looking for UFOs and satellites and meteors. There is a new visitor wizzing around up there, Comet Nishimura, which was discovered by an amateur astronomer who in a galactic coincidence, is also named Nishimura! What are the chances of that?

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Manufacturing Madness
It has always been my secret dream to work in a pencil factory. Although I am more of an Eberhard Faber sort of guy, here's a look at how Faber-Castell does things. Just look at that Needlemeyer 5000 groove mill in action!

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Texas MoMe Madness!

I'd like to remind everyone of the upcoming MoMe in Texas on October 20-21. If you're in either the northern or southern hemisphere of the planet of the earth, contact Ben Had for details. The dates and email links for MoMes are always helpfully included on the main page, left sidebar, so you really have no excuse!

There is an entire shooting program for both handguns and rifles over two days, world class food and drink, and the even world classier company of your fellow Morons! More on the Friday/Saturday schedule to come, so stay tuned.

Seriously, people. I have said this probably a hundred times now. These gatherings are a really good time, and I know of no one who regrets having attended one. No kidding. Would your ol' pal Weasel lie to you? MoMe veterans will attest to the funness. Don't be a dork, do yourself a favor and get your ass to Texas! If you're a TXMoMe veteran, please encourage the scairdy-cats to join in the fun!

TXMoMe Shooting Festivities

This seems like a good time to talk a little bit about the upcoming shooting program at the TXMoMe, or the Conservative's Burning Man, as it's popularly known. What started years ago as an informal plinking session lasting a couple of hours has matured into a full program of shooting activities over two days. I have to thank Ben Had, Cow Horse Queen and RancherBob for allowing the shooting to comprise such a significant portion of the TXMoMe.

For a while I have been conducting a Rifle Clinic on Friday morning followed by range time Friday afternoon and then again well into Saturday. We have also been steadily refining the handgun portion of the program to now include an IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Nurse R. There is also the usual static pistol range for those who prefer that style of shooting and a separate setup for gun-curious beginners desiring one-on-one supervision and instruction. Lastly and by popular demand, we're hoping to add a gun cleaning and maintenance clinic both days which will run concurrently with the live-fire programs.

Anyhoo, here's a very rough outline of the schedule of events. Times are tentative and subject to modification/change. I'll move this down to the TXMoMe section below in the coming weeks and update as necessary.

Friday, 10/20
Rifle Program
8am - 10am: Rifle Clinic (carport)
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:30am - 1pm: Rifle Clinic, Intro to Wind Estimation (rifle range)
1pm - 4pm: Live fire (rifle range - targets to 1,000 yds)

Handgun Program
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:00am - 12:30pm: Handgun Clinic (carport)
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
1pm - 3pm: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)

Saturday, 10/21
Rifle Program
9am - 10am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (rifle range)

Handgun Program
9am - 10am: Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
10am - Noon: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range)

Again, these times are approximate and may change as weather conditions and participation warrant.

You will note there are combined rifle and handgun range safety briefings both days and attendance at one is mandatory. We take your safety seriously and ask everyone who plans to shoot to please also plan on attending this important briefing. All shooters are asked to check in with an RSO (sporting an Orange Cap of Dorkiness for easy identification) upon your arrival at either of the ranges who will answer questions and direct you to an open firing position. The RSOs wield unspeakable power so it is in your best interest to be nice to them.

If you are a novice shooter, or even have never been to the range before and think guns are icky, you are welcome to shoot! Just see an RSO and they will set you up with an experienced shooter to help you. If you miss the mandatory range safety briefing which is mandatory and must be attended, all is not lost. See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame. In the interests of time, please make it to the scheduled range briefings. Thanks.

Finally, please plan on stopping somewhere along your way to Texas and picking up some ammunition if you plan to shoot and aren't bringing your own weapons. Everyone is very generous with sharing, but please don't rely on the generosity of others to provide everything for you. You can really help out by grabbing a box of 9mm or 5.56mm or whatever you want to shoot. I will bring one of my practice rifles and if you would like to engage our new 1,000 yd target, pick up a box of 175gr. Federal Gold Medal Match in .308 Winchester ammunition.

Call for Volunteers
Help! As I mentioned above, the shooting program in Texas continues to grow, and we wouldn't be able to do it without a lot of help. If you're interested in lending a hand in some capacity, please drop me a note at gunthread at protonmail dot com indicating your date and time of arrival, and we'll be in touch. Thank You!

RSOs from prior years: Expect an email from me soon.

If you are attending the TXMoMe this year, and all the cool kids are, please keep an eye on this section for important information and updates in the coming weeks! I also want to reiterate the TXMoMe is not a gun thing with some socializing attached, but rather is a social thing with some shooting attached. If you aren't a shooter, I guarantee you will not feel out of place and will have a great time. No fooling!

Are all y'all getting excited? Weasel are!!

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Musical Interlude
Jethro Tull and Joe Bonamassa (and Joe Walsh?) - Locomotive Breath live

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Gun Basics 101
No new video from the She Equips Herself gal, so let's find something from the archives. This week's video is on concealed carry considerations.

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Cigar of the Week

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This week our pal rhomboid once again scores with this excellent review of the AJ Fernandez Last Call Maduro

AJ Fernandez is a current giant in the cigar blending field. The story behind one of his lines, "Last Call", is that the blends were originally made in small batches, for personal consumption and for guests visiting Fernandez's factories, farms, or residence. Last week I picked up the maduro version of Last Call (it also comes with a habano wrapper) at my local on a whim, and I'm glad I did. I burned the short corona size, called "Geniales" (all the vitolas have proprietary names), which is 4.5 X 48. The wrapper is Pennsylvania broadleaf, the filler and binder Nicaraguan.
With that combination, it shouldn't have been a surprise that I loved it. Rich and earthy flavors, not as distinctly chocolate (to me) as the Penn Standard line (reviewed here previously), but definitely an overall sweetness, maybe even hints of dried dark fruit in there. Smoke was thick and voluminous. Burn line was well behaved. Overall, a very enjoyable smoke. For me, a medium-bodied cigar. The line comes mostly in smaller sizes. The one I chose is available online for just over $4 each, and the largest size isn't much more. So an affordable and delicious choice for lovers of that mellow maduro profile.

All y'all, in my opinion our pal rhomboid could be reviewing cigars for Cigar Aficianado magazine, and we are very fortunate to have him doing these. Thank you, rhomboid!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM. Great find!

Steve McQueen with Director Sam Peckinpah on set of "The Getaway"

Notice gun control. Finger off trigger even though it's a prop gun.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Huzzah! 5 years of gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:00 PM (aQy7p)

2 Hey Weasel!
Thanks for the GT!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 17, 2023 07:00 PM (70DWA)

3 Happy birthday gunthread

Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2023 07:01 PM (fwDg9)

4 Congrats Weasel! Happy anniversary!

Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 07:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

5 And...

SPONGE!!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:01 PM (aQy7p)

6 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 17, 2023 07:01 PM (T4tVD)

7 I like gubs.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 17, 2023 07:01 PM (C1NyB)

8 Happy birthday gunthread
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2023 07:01 PM (fwDg9)

Seconded !

They grow up so fast !

Posted by: JT at September 17, 2023 07:02 PM (T4tVD)

9 Greetings from Eindhoven!!! Weasel, later on this week I will send some pics from the Airborne Museum in Saint-Mere-Eglise.

Interesting stuff

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:02 PM (5355l)

10 Imma just leave this here.

First there was Gadsden Flag kid, now, there is this little legend.

Clearly this is an 'ette in training. Well done, Mom and Dad. Well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIx9dk_iNIA&t=312s

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:03 PM (aQy7p)

11 Yay!

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:05 PM (M+Nrs)

12 Happy Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and Happy Fifth Anniversary to the forum and its stalwart host, Weasel! I'm happy to have discovered this thread a few years ago - always great to shoot {heh} the breeze with like-minded souls.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 07:05 PM (W5rDF)

13 I got semi-drafted into a trap shooting league at work, but all my long guns are in storage in Louisiana and I didn't have a 12 gauge anyway, so I picked up a CZ Drake over/under. So far, so good. Shoulders nicely and goes bang.

Posted by: Vanya at September 17, 2023 07:06 PM (v27SO)

14 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:02 PM (5355l)

Try to find the church with the paratroopers in the stained glass windows.

Posted by: Vanya at September 17, 2023 07:07 PM (v27SO)

15 Weasel, Happy Fifth birthday to the thread.
We cannot thank you enough for the work that you do.
Here is to another 5!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:07 PM (5355l)

16 Steve McQueen with Director Sam Peckinpah on set of �The Getaway�

Notice gun control. Finger off trigger even though it�s a prop gun.

Not like "you know who" !

Posted by: JT at September 17, 2023 07:07 PM (T4tVD)

17 I would like to thank the jerk supreme whom, on this thread either last week or two weeks ago, recommended the Kimber Micro 9. My bank account is now $750 lighter, and the range was too busy this weekend for me to have a change at a range report. Up yours, whoever you are!

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 17, 2023 07:07 PM (C1NyB)

18 What a great history lesson on the FN. Thank you Ed L!

Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 07:08 PM (IQ6Gq)

19 *looks at Ed L's Browning*

*makes grabby hands*

I so need to add one to my collection.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:08 PM (aQy7p)

20 Greetings from Eindhoven!!! Weasel, later on this week I will send some pics from the Airborne Museum in Saint-Mere-Eglise.

Interesting stuff
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:02 PM (5355l)

Safe travels Homie !

Posted by: JT at September 17, 2023 07:08 PM (T4tVD)

21 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:08 PM (yRXSd)

22 Greetings from Eindhoven!!! Weasel, later on this week I will send some pics from the Airborne Museum in Saint-Mere-Eglise.

Interesting stuff
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:02 PM

Enjoy the trip, Scoob. Great country to visit.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:09 PM (aQy7p)

23 14 Try to find the church with the paratroopers in the stained glass windows.
Posted by: Vanya

I was there. It was the last stop. The story the guide told us about the medics who were in that church helping ALL wounded kinda choked me up a bit.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:10 PM (5355l)

24 Pro Tip: Every layer of that cake has either a file or bluebell shiv. Be careful of your teeth, and do not offer a slice to the screws.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 07:10 PM (a3Q+t)

25 ScubaDude am so envious, hope weather is great

Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2023 07:11 PM (fwDg9)

26 I am calling it a night. 1:11 in the morning here and I am heading home tomorrow.

Thanks again Weasel!!!!

Take care everyone!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:12 PM (5355l)

27 Good evening Horde. And happy 5th anniversary Weasel. If you intended to create a welcoming place, even for dummies like me, you certainly exceeded expectations. I followed this thread long before I ever picked up a gun.
Thanks to all, looking forward to TX,

Posted by: Grateful at September 17, 2023 07:12 PM (IQ6Gq)

28 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 17, 2023 07:12 PM

Safe travels, Scoob.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:13 PM (aQy7p)

29 Normandy-- The one place in continental Europe where they actually like Americans.

If you can, visit the military cemetery over Omaha Beach. There's a couple of spots where you can stand and look over a huge stretch of it and fully appreciate what "Almost 10,000 graves" looks like. Also, the actual beach still has some of the pillboxes intact, and the actual terrain is far worse than what's in the Spielberg movie. It's a straight inclined slope and the Germans sited their guns to fire across the face of it.

Posted by: Vanya at September 17, 2023 07:14 PM (v27SO)

30 thinking my questions were obviously retarded
I know several people here have encountered this, and I know I have. "C'mon, they're gonna laugh at me if I ask that question." Even the little stuff, or the 'pedantic' bits, are dealt with here (and a lot of other places within the shooting community, but bigly so here) with grace and humor and a major love of what we do. And a big dose of freedom-lovin'.

Always feel free to ask "What does this doohickey do?" here. Just please do it with the muzzle downrange and your booger-hook off the bang switch.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:15 PM (M+Nrs)

31 Scuba Dude, will you visit Brecourt Manor or Bloody Gulch during your stay?

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:17 PM (yRXSd)

32 Hi weasel! Happy anniversary and thank you for all you do!

Another reminder for those going to Corsicana. Please bring eye and ear protection with you. We will have some to use, but it's always good to bring your own. Even if you don't plan on shooting, if you're hanging out near the ranges, please consider.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan at September 17, 2023 07:19 PM (U2p+3)

33 I would like to thank the jerk supreme whom, on this thread either last week or two weeks ago, recommended the Kimber Micro 9. My bank account is now $750 lighter, and the range was too busy this weekend for me to have a change at a range report. Up yours, whoever you are!
Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 17, 2023 07:07 PM

Dude. With that kind of attitude, there might not be no 2000 hrs CC sitrep, with resulting catastrophic consequences for fans of the WD, FSJ, and WWC2 coterie, whom are legion. Perhaps you should be thanking them effusively for the counsel so redolent with gravitas?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 07:21 PM (a3Q+t)

34 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:08 PM (aQy7p)

Tell Mrs. RMBS that it's an appreciating asset. If you're serious about buying a collectable FN High Power, I highly recommend buying Anthony Vanderlinden's book (2 volume set) before plunking down serious money on anything. There are a lot of fakers out there, and his book can help you spot them.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:21 PM (yRXSd)

35 'Evening fellow enthusiasts!
a great big Thank You and Mazel Tov to Weasel and the gun thread. I literally would not be part of all this if not for Weasel, JesseinDC and the VA MoMe.
The Texas MoMe is a life changing experience. People actually talk to each other. Really. I know it is hard to believe but true. Food, drink, guns, Texas sunsets, even music and dancing.
Life is good.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 17, 2023 07:22 PM (t/2Uw)

36 Up yours, whoever you are!
Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 17, 2023 07:07 PM (C1NyB)

LOL

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:23 PM (M+Nrs)

37 Tell Mrs. RMBS that it's an appreciating asset. If you're serious about buying a collectable FN High Power, I highly recommend buying Anthony Vanderlinden's book (2 volume set) before plunking down serious money on anything. There are a lot of fakers out there, and his book can help you spot them.
Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:21 PM

Thanks for the heads up, Ed L. Will look into that.

Sadly, though, there is no Mrs. RMBS. Of course, that also means I don't have to justify my purchase.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:23 PM (aQy7p)

38 My 1969 C Browning 9mm looks like the WW2 one as well with the notch safety and ring hammer. Wooden slats on mine though. Don't know about the proofing marks, although mine is North American made I assume.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:24 PM (krqg6)

39 I so need to add one to my collection.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2023 07:08 PM (aQy7p)

I am so far resisting the urge to go beyond my current wish list. Of course, I don't yet have everything on said wish list, so it's easier to do. But, yeah, had the bug earlier this week to build out an entire WW2 roster....

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:25 PM (M+Nrs)

40 Five years, how time flies when you're shooting gubs!

Thank to Weasel, creating and maintaining this thread is obviously a lot of work, and I am sure all us readers and contributors appreciate it bigly!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 17, 2023 07:25 PM (hOUT3)

41 Happy anniversary, Weasel.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 17, 2023 07:26 PM (nfrXX)

42 There is a new visitor wizzing around up there, Comet Nishimura, which was discovered by an amateur astronomer who in a galactic coincidence, is also named Nishimura! What are the chances of that?

Heh.

The IAU sets naming conventions; comets are named for their discoverer(s) and numbered if the same person finds more than one, and asteroids are named *by* the discoverers for someone or something else. Until formally named they are designated with the discovery year and a two-letter code for the month-half and order of discovery.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 17, 2023 07:26 PM (llON8)

43 BTW... "gun in a dressing-gown"?? Because I'm fine for that but CC is pretty difficult in my sequined, backless number.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:27 PM (krqg6)

44 Good evening Weasel et. al.

Great High power, Ed L.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at September 17, 2023 07:28 PM (L3byd)

45 There are a lot of fakers out there, and his book can help you spot them.
Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:21 PM (yRXSd)

And that brings up (for me, anyway) an interesting question: How many guns out there have fake markings, etc.? Are they all C&R types, or are there modern arms that might get faked, too? (OK, that's two interesting questions; I'm not going out and coming in again.)

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:28 PM (M+Nrs)

46 I saw the remake of "The Getaway" with Baldwin and Basinger and all I can say is....WHY?
We could be eatin some good Macaroni and Cheese With Bacon
instead of watching this do over with different and less talented actors.
Good Lord am I hungry.

Posted by: ZYAHMA BRYANT at September 17, 2023 07:31 PM (2znMt)

47 I read that YouTube video as Concealed Carry Tits...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 17, 2023 07:32 PM (TGPs7)

48 Cool pencil-making video! It also allows me to recommend "I, Pencil" by Leonard Read - a short, simple, yet powerful refutation of the idea that central planning is a desirable thing. The essay shows that no one "expert" can possibly build something as simple as a pencil, but only individuals working in their own self-interest, doing what they do best. https://fee.org/resources/i-pencil/

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 07:33 PM (W5rDF)

49 Five bloody years??? Really???

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 07:34 PM (tlzt2)

50 Happy Fifth Anniversary, Weasel and gun Thread!

My son had the honor to be the senior 82nd Airborne Division representative to the Market Garden commemoration last year. Among the many cool pictures he sent me was one of him in his pinks and greens and jump boots driving the daughter of Jumpin' Jim Gavin through the streets of Eindhoven in a WWII Willys MB Jeep.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 17, 2023 07:35 PM (PWe8a)

51 BTW... "gun in a dressing-gown"?? Because I'm fine for that but CC is pretty difficult in my sequined, backless number.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:27 PM

Several of the 'ettes have recommended one of the holsters that attach to a garter strap. I don't remember the brand/model, but you might ask them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 07:35 PM (a3Q+t)

52 There is a new visitor wizzing around up there, Comet Nishimura, which was discovered by an amateur astronomer who in a galactic coincidence, is also named Nishimura! What are the chances of that?

Heh.

The IAU sets naming conventions; comets are named for their discoverer(s) and numbered if the same person finds more than one, and asteroids are named *by* the discoverers for someone or something else. Until formally named they are designated with the discovery year and a two-letter code for the month-half and order of discovery.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Gotta have been a trick question... answer 100%!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 17, 2023 07:36 PM (70DWA)

53 If you love astronomy, don’t forget:

October 14, 2023 - annular Solar eclipse
April 8, 2024 - total Solar eclipse

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 07:37 PM (tlzt2)

54 Nice Hi Power Ed L!

The Hi Power is my favorite handgun. I had 3 at one time but gifted the 40 S&W to my FFL guy last year for his outstanding work over the years dealing with the federales with certain items.

The 40 was a Portugal gun and the fit and finish was outstanding and it did shoot a little hotter than the standard 9mm. I also had 4 magazines for it which went with the gun.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 07:38 PM (R/m4+)

55 Several of the 'ettes have recommended one of the holsters that attach to a garter strap. I don't remember the brand/model, but you might ask them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 07:35 PM

Kinky....

Posted by: Hedley Lamar at September 17, 2023 07:38 PM (aQy7p)

56 Several of the 'ettes have recommended one of the holsters that attach to a garter strap. I don't remember the brand/model, but you might ask them.
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Woohoo!

Problem solved!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:38 PM (krqg6)

57 Happy 5th anniversary for all of us who enjoy the gun thread and a special thanks to Weasel for all the great content week after week. Even when I don't have much to contribute, like this week, there is always so much good information to get from the posts and comments.

Posted by: JTB at September 17, 2023 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

58 Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:24 PM (krqg6)

Tony Vanderlinden's book says it's Belgian-made. FN didn't move High Power production out of the Liege factory (to Portugal) until the 1980s. High Power pistols were never produced in the US by FN until the "new" model High Power came out in 2022.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:40 PM (yRXSd)

59 If you love astronomy, don’t forget:

October 14, 2023 - annular Solar eclipse
April 8, 2024 - total Solar eclipse
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

And just as we wear ear and eye protection you have to have solar eye protection for both of those viewings.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 17, 2023 07:41 PM (70DWA)

60 I don't know if Comet Nishimura is still visible to the casual viewer.

I linked a report about it two weeks ago and it said the best viewing time -- near Venus in the morning -- was that Saturday and Sunday. My upstairs bathroom window has a great view of the Morning Star [even sitting down] but it was cloudy both days last weekend so I didn't bother trying.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:43 PM (krqg6)

61 Um, I doubt it was a garter belt because as far as I know most women don;t wear stockings that need a garter belt anymore. Except maybe Dr Jill.
I think there is a bicycle short that can be worn under a skirt.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 17, 2023 07:43 PM (t/2Uw)

62 Wooooooo!!!!! FIVE YEARS!!!!!

Unicorns and and 1911s!

Thanks for sharing Ed L. Had to have a 1911 for the anniversary.

Posted by: Draki at September 17, 2023 07:44 PM (ag7Xw)

63 Jethro Tull and Joe Bonamassa (and Joe Walsh?) - Locomotive Breath live

That was way cool. No Joe Walsh, but Martin Barre served Tull well as a great guitarist. Joe B. is something special. Thanks for the tune and the gub, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 17, 2023 07:46 PM (V8he0)

64 And Happy 5th!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 17, 2023 07:47 PM (V8he0)

65 Hey, Weasel! I dropped in on a random impulse and was glad to see that current events are now off limits. That's a big part of why I disappeared. I just don't need that stress these days.

So, since I'm here, my range report is that I told my oldest out to the range yesterday for some target work. Her weapon of choice these days is a Zastava M70 pistol in .32 ACP. It fits her hand nicely, and the weight reduces the felt recoil. Pretty good group, as well.

I bought a shot timer. It's fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 07:48 PM (llXky)

66 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.

I have no gunish stuff this week. Have been busy trying to farm. I am buying a shipping container and shopping for an ATV/tractor and stuff.

Posted by: blaster at September 17, 2023 07:49 PM (dWjpk)

67 I really appreciate Ed L's report on the Hi-Power and the other videos. The more I know about maintaining my Garand, the better. I am a big fan of the 44 special. I don't have a revolver just for that cartridge but my 44 magnum guns love the special. So do my hands and wrists.

But the winner this week is the Faber-Castell video. It is fascinating how much technology goes into a 'simple' pencil. Now I want to find out how they make their superb specialty art pencils with all those various qualities for different purposes.

Posted by: JTB at September 17, 2023 07:50 PM (7EjX1)

68 Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:28 PM (M+Nrs)

C&R firearms have always had fakers for as long as people have thrown large sums of $$ around chasing their dreams. Firearms used in the world of special operations have always been subject to fake markings in order to confuse others about their origin. For example, the British would put fake markings on weapons sent to the SOE to arm partisans in Europe (Sten SMGs) or remove them altogether (Welrod pistols). MACV-SOG did the same thing for non-standard weapons it used in Vietnam (Carl Gustav SMG, G3 battle rifle, etc.).

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:51 PM (yRXSd)

69 Tony Vanderlinden's book says it's Belgian-made. FN didn't move High Power production out of the Liege factory (to Portugal) until the 1980s. High Power pistols were never produced in the US by FN until the "new" model High Power came out in 2022.
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Yes, out of curiosity I just took it out and the rack has the "Browning Arms Company St Louis, Mo and Montreal, QC" marking but "Made In Belgium" under it. [In all-caps.]

Besides the calibre, the 'silver' casing ejector port [sorry, I've forgotten its real name] has a small, crowned, oval escutcheon but I can't make out what letters/symbol are in its centre.

Thanks for the history.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:51 PM (krqg6)

70 And that brings up (for me, anyway) an interesting question: How many guns out there have fake markings, etc.? Are they all C&R types, or are there modern arms that might get faked, too? (OK, that's two interesting questions; I'm not going out and coming in again.)

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:28 PM (M+Nrs)
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Somewhere in the archives, Weasel may have the writeup and photos of a Cold War PA-66 made by FEG that was marked as if it was made in Belgium by FN. Totally professional work; they even coated the aluminum frame to make it look like blued steel (it's since worn off).

Apparently FEG did the same for Hi Power clones, marking them as FN weapons and sending them to the Middle East to make mayhem.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 07:52 PM (llXky)

71 In Soviet Acetopia, Five Year Plan has Gun Thread!

(... huge Congratulations, Weasel! Bravo Zulu, job well done; OUTSTANDING!)

(...with battle flag "E" for Excellence!)

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 07:52 PM (e6UQI)

72 April 8, 2024 - total Solar eclipse

-

In and out tonight (thanks as always Weasel), but PLEASE try to see this if you never have. It's incredible, and indescribable. It's coming through North America in easily-reached distances from most people.

Go ahead and get your motels or campgrounds, btw. They're already filling up. You can see it anywhere in the path, but I recommend trying to find somewhere without auto-on photo-sensing lights on poles or other similar things. Go to a state park or the like.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 07:53 PM (+MSSo)

73 Perhaps you should be thanking them effusively for the counsel so redolent with gravitas?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 07:21 PM (a3Q+t)

Sounds like it was a perfectly cromulent suggestion.

Posted by: blaster at September 17, 2023 07:53 PM (dWjpk)

74 Home!
Well, not quite. At the 99 a few miles away.
5 years? You mean I’ve been making a fool of myself here for 5 years?
Yup.
Congrats, weasel!

Posted by: RI Red at September 17, 2023 07:53 PM (WvYk1)

75 Are they all C&R types, or are there modern arms that might get faked, too? (OK, that's two interesting questions; I'm not going out and coming in again.)
Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 07:28 PM (M+Nrs)

Most fakes will deal with collectibles, especially WW2 or older. Lots of fake Nazi stuff floating around as some people get a hard on for 3rd Reich items. Also, Brit jungle carbines and some Jap stuff you gotta know what to look for.

Also, fake M1 “paratrooper” carbines are out there.

Modern stuff is usually not faked but be aware Colt AR items are starting to become very collectible and anything connected to Rhodesia.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 07:54 PM (R/m4+)

76 And since I intend to stay somewhat on topic I won't even get into the part where it's very considerate of the moon to be at that distance from the earth while humans are here to observe the phenomenon. I'm guessing it has something to do with lightning bolts and mud puddles, but I'm no Scinextist.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 07:54 PM (+MSSo)

77 Posted by: Draki at September 17, 2023 07:44 PM (ag7Xw)

Did you catch C&Rsenal's YouTube episode about the M1911 in US military service for WWI? Two hours of goodness about JMB, US military bureaucracy, and an assessment of how the M1911 stacked up against its contemporaries.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:54 PM (yRXSd)

78 "...St Louis, Mo & Montreal, QC" I should say.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:54 PM (krqg6)

79 Great contribution on the Hi-Power, Ed L. Sure do miss mine. I have an annoying tendency to sell or trade, only to later experience great remorse. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 17, 2023 07:55 PM (V8he0)

80 Wow, Weasel -five years! Congratulations! You've done such a great job, and built a wonderful and loyal following. Way to go, pardner!

Posted by: bluebell at September 17, 2023 07:58 PM (pTb/Z)

81 And just as we wear ear and eye protection you have to have solar eye protection for both of those viewings.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 17, 2023 07:41 PM (70DWA)

As an option, I recommend a #14 welder’s glass. The sun turns lime green with one but it makes for safe viewing.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 07:59 PM (tlzt2)

82 Several of the 'ettes have recommended one of the holsters that attach to a garter strap. I don't remember the brand/model, but you might ask them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 07:35 PM (a3Q+t)

Can Can Holsters do thigh holsters.
I have one - really! - that I tried to use when I have to robe up for communion at church. As is, it doesn't work well over pants.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:00 PM (M+Nrs)

83 Congratulations on 5 years, weasel! Where does the time go?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:00 PM (2YtOq)

84 As an option, I recommend a #14 welder’s glass. The sun turns lime green with one but it makes for safe viewing.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

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Imma pull one of those blue chinese masks up over my eyes and sit down to eat a sandwich at the same time I'm staring at the sun. If I understand Science correctly I should be fine.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 08:01 PM (+MSSo)

85 Well Weasel, I'm 5 years older. Thanks for reminding me amigo. The cake is flamboyantly, no flamingly...no scorchingly gay but you know that and are f*cking with us. So glad you started this thread and shared your considerable knowledge with us. You bring it every week. Much appreciated. And I would love to open fire on that cake.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:03 PM (9214m)

86
Steve McQueen>>>>>Alec Baldwin

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 17, 2023 08:03 PM (f6J3V)

87 Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 07:51 PM (krqg6)

It's the "Liege proof" with an "E" directly under the crown (for "Epreve," or "proof" in French), with "LG" under it for "Liege," the city where the FN factory is. This marking shows that the barrel passed the final test firing with the barrel joined to the frame and slide, and is now ready for shipment to the commercial/military market. All FN pistols have this proof mark.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:03 PM (yRXSd)

88 6 And since I intend to stay somewhat on topic I won't even get into the part where it's very considerate of the moon to be at that distance from the earth while humans are here to observe the phenomenon. I'm guessing it has something to do with lightning bolts and mud puddles, but I'm no Scinextist.
Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 07:54 PM (+MSSo

I’d tell you about the next eclipse in particular and how my laws effect that but why not talk more about the guns?

Posted by: Johannes Kepler at September 17, 2023 08:04 PM (tlzt2)

89 Happy 5th anniversary Weasel! Guess I've been asking all the dumbass questions here for about 3 years.... December 1 will be 3 years since I officially became a gun nut.

Back later to actually read, y'know, the the thing.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 17, 2023 08:05 PM (aBJcM)

90 And I would love to open fire on that cake.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:03 PM (9214m)
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Cannibal Bob!!! 😍😍😍😍😍 How are you and Heidi?

Posted by: bluebell at September 17, 2023 08:05 PM (pTb/Z)

91 For a 5th anniversary, what did Ace get Weasel?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:06 PM (FF1fo)

92 Well Weasel, I'm 5 years older. Thanks for reminding me amigo. The cake is flamboyantly, no flamingly...no scorchingly gay but you know that and are f*cking with us...

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It's funny because I've got a teenage daughter and don't think anything about it when I see it. I can see how someone who isn't surrounded by butterflies and ponies and rainbows (the right kind) all the time would have that perspective, though.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 08:06 PM (+MSSo)

93 Had to have a 1911 for the anniversary.
Posted by: Draki at September 17, 2023 07:44 PM (ag7Xw)

Makes it sound like a drink. Oh! Maybe we should develop a couple of drinks (in honor of CBD's occasional appearance here) called "1911" and "M1"?

I'll start off: the Glock - Fill a tallboy halfway with ice cubes, then top off with Value-Rite. Throw in a dash of black pepper. Add a swizzle stick if you shoot .40 or 10mm. "It just works," right?

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:06 PM (M+Nrs)

94 My guns are looking at me as if I am forsaking them. Need to find range time soon.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (tlzt2)

95 I hope the new FN HiPower is as good as the old one, because it was a beast.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (NxC5+)

96 Congrats Weasel. You have done a hell of a job!!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian Who Lives In The Frozen Tundra at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (aA3+G)

97
Jack Aubrey: "Ready the guns Mr. Pullings"

Lt. Pullings: "Aye, ready the guns, sir. What load, pray?"

Jack Aubrey: "Flaming Atomic Shitballs."

Posted by: Patrick O'Brian at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (f6J3V)

98 Modern stuff is usually not faked but be aware Colt AR items are starting to become very collectible and anything connected to Rhodesia.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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FWIW, for whatever reason, a bunch of scabbards and several SMLE Pattern 1907 bayonets have hit Ebay today.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (5jVrT)

99 So, range report! First a big shout out to Weasel, gun sensei, for the sage advice to this newbie bench shooter.

I headed to the range yesterday with a plain: remove every single inconsistency in my bench setup I could find. And, I believe I succeeded, for the most part. Amazing how much difference a consistent setup, from shot to shot, can make.

After playing with the '06 for a bit, I broke out the Ruger Gunsite Scout, to make sure the red dot was still holding zero. It was so I ran a magazine through it at some steel 200 yards down range. Easy target though, probably 14" x 24". Moved on to the Garand and pounded some more steel into submission. From there, moved on to the pistol range and killed some more steel with the 9 mm Springfield Range Officer and confirmed it shoots dead center, but, high. which is something I need to figure out. So it goes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (2YtOq)

100 Can Can Holsters do thigh holsters.
I have one - really! - that I tried to use when I have to robe up for communion at church. As is, it doesn't work well over pants.
Posted by: GWB
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Better than the Flash Bang bra holsters I guess.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (5jVrT)

101 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:03 PM

How did you manage to sneak in without the ukulele fanfare playing?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (a3Q+t)

102 My guns are looking at me as if I am forsaking them. Need to find range time soon.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (tlzt2)
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I don't get out a ton, but I'm way behind on cleaning. Seems there's always something waiting its turn to be cleaned an put back.

A friend came over and remarked that he's now accepting disassembled firearms on the dining room table as part of our decor.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (llXky)

103 I'll start off: the Glock - Fill a tallboy halfway with ice cubes, then top off with Value-Rite. Throw in a dash of black pepper. Add a swizzle stick if you shoot .40 or 10mm. "It just works," right?
Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:06 PM (M+Nrs)

The Hi Point:
Fill an ice cube tray with untreated pond water and freeze it. Fill shaker halfway with ice cubes, add 1 ounce Cisco "Red" flavor, 1 ounce Johnny Walker Red and 1 ounce paint thinner. Shake it until you can smell the mixture 10 feet away and serve with a garnish of steel belted tire you picked up on the Interstate.

Posted by: Vanya at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (v27SO)

104 It's the "Liege proof" with an "E" directly under the crown (for "Epreve," or "proof" in French), with "LG" under it for "Liege," the city where the FN factory is. This marking shows that the barrel passed the final test firing with the barrel joined to the frame and slide, and is now ready for shipment to the commercial/military market. All FN pistols have this proof mark.
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Merci beaucoup, mon vieux.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 08:10 PM (krqg6)

105 Congrats Weasel for Five Years of riding herd on a madhouse here and thanks for showing us a very nice pistol from a not so nice era Ed L.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:10 PM (5jVrT)

106 My guns are looking at me as if I am forsaking them. Need to find range time soon.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
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PO'd with myself, I've had a Ithaca Model 37 stock waiting to be refinished now for over a year.

Posted by: Patrick O'Brian at September 17, 2023 08:10 PM (/YP8p)

107 For a 5th anniversary, what did Ace get Weasel?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Probably the coveted AoSHQ dental insurance plan.

Posted by: Patrick O'Brian at September 17, 2023 08:11 PM (/YP8p)

108 FWIW, for whatever reason, a bunch of scabbards and several SMLE Pattern 1907 bayonets have hit Ebay today.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (5jVrT)
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Closing out old inventory behind the main rack is my guess.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:11 PM (llXky)

109 5th Anniversary celebration, and yet we can't get the 2000 hrs CC sitrep posted even close to on time.

This will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we will be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:12 PM (a3Q+t)

110 Watch the final chase/shootout scene at SFO airport in the classic film "Bullitt." Steve McQueen draws his Colt Diamondback snub nose revolver, but palms it in his right hand as he pursues the suspect through the crowded airport lobby. He never puts his finger on the trigger until he actually has to shoot the suspect when the suspect tries to get back into the lobby after shooting the airport policeman. Afterward, he holsters the Diamondback.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:12 PM (yRXSd)

111 And I would love to open fire on that cake.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:03 PM (9214m)

Now, given how incredible the TxMoMe is, this would be one way to REALLY up the game. Bake and decorate a cake exactly like that and make it the Weasel challenge or something to score a hit on a gong inside. Or pack a little tannerite in it and each person gets a shot at blowing it up. THAT would make for great video, too.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:12 PM (M+Nrs)

112 Five years! Good work, sir!

Posted by: Brewingfrog at September 17, 2023 08:12 PM (c7Cz0)

113 Cannibal Bob!!! 😍😍😍😍😍 How are you and Heidi?

Posted by: bluebell at September 17, 2023 08:05 PM (pTb/Z)

My dear dear lovely bluebell!!!! Xoxooxoox. We are well. Prepping in the AZ mountains. With the cowboys, kooks and crazies. We fit right in. How are you and Mr. bluebell!? Heidi sends her love. Oh, and to you too Weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:13 PM (9214m)

114 Thank you Weasel for 5 years of gun thread greatness.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 17, 2023 08:13 PM (rQpnh)

115 You know, you could buy styrofoam or cardboard cylinders and make a reasonable 1000 yard (or whatever is appropriate) facsimile with tannerite inside.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 08:14 PM (+MSSo)

116 I'll start off: the Glock - Fill a tallboy halfway with ice cubes, then top off with Value-Rite. Throw in a dash of black pepper. Add a swizzle stick if you shoot .40 or 10mm. "It just works," right?

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:06 PM (M+Nrs)
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Can't lump .40 in with 10mm. The .40 Glock gets a shot of Fireball. The 10mm gets a shot of Everclear.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:14 PM (llXky)

117 Hasn't that cake been seen before? Does Weasel just store it in the freezer between Anniversary celebrations?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:14 PM (a3Q+t)

118 confirmed it shoots dead center, but, high. which is something I need to figure out. So it goes.
Posted by: blake
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Even I can figure this out, raise the target.

Posted by: A Caveman at September 17, 2023 08:14 PM (OpB28)

119 I've not been to the range in a month. Been moving and organizing and moving.

Hopefully will got there next weekend. Need to work with my Ronin. Will probably work with one of my 1911s as well, seeing as it's my bedside pistol. It will be interesting to see if I can just get I. The groove and not miss a beat.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan at September 17, 2023 08:15 PM (U2p+3)

120 Watch the final chase/shootout scene at SFO airport in the classic film "Bullitt." Steve McQueen draws his Colt Diamondback snub nose revolver, but palms it in his right hand as he pursues the suspect through the crowded airport lobby. He never puts his finger on the trigger until he actually has to shoot the suspect when the suspect tries to get back into the lobby after shooting the airport policeman. Afterward, he holsters the Diamondback.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:12 PM (yRXSd)
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I believe he was a Marine.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:15 PM (llXky)

121 For a 5th anniversary, what did Ace get Weasel?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:06 PM (FF1fo)

Pudding cups, for a righteous celebration.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:15 PM (9214m)

122 Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 08:10 PM (krqg6)

Thank Tony Vanderlinden. It helps to have those reference books handy for this thread.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:15 PM (yRXSd)

123 There are 99 days until Christmas.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:16 PM (a3Q+t)

124 In and out tonight (thanks as always Weasel), but PLEASE try to see this if you never have. It's incredible, and indescribable. It's coming through North America in easily-reached distances from most people.

Go ahead and get your motels or campgrounds, btw. They're already filling up. You can see it anywhere in the path, but I recommend trying to find somewhere without auto-on photo-sensing lights on poles or other similar things. Go to a state park or the like.
Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 07:53 PM (+MSSo)

I saw the one on August 21, 2017, at Orin Junction, WY. Maybe 50-100 people live there but that morning its population was in the tens of thousands. The one store there was surely cleaned out by umbraphiles.

Total solar eclipses are impossible to overhype. I went through a lot of trouble to see it but it was worth it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:16 PM (tlzt2)

125 Better than the Flash Bang bra holsters I guess.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (5jVrT)

Given how the vestments get fastened, carrying on my chest would not work. (Especially since I'm a righty, and the inner layer goes right to left, with the top layer going left to right.)

I have pondered if I could manage a shoulder rig in it - without printing big time.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:17 PM (M+Nrs)

126 Hasn't that cake been seen before? Does Weasel just store it in the freezer between Anniversary celebrations?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:14 PM (a3Q+t)
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He has a standing order at the local bakery.

Posted by: bluebell at September 17, 2023 08:17 PM (pTb/Z)

127 I don't get out a ton, but I'm way behind on cleaning. Seems there's always something waiting its turn to be cleaned an put back.

A friend came over and remarked that he's now accepting disassembled firearms on the dining room table as part of our decor.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (llXky)

I first fired my M18 back in March. Cleaned it a fortnight ago.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:18 PM (tlzt2)

128 The .40 Glock gets a shot of Fireball

Unsupported chambers can do that.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:18 PM (a3Q+t)

129 Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (NxC5+)

I'm planning on bringing one to TX, so you can try it for yourself. 9mm only as of right now, though. I've submitted a quick review for Weasel's consideration in a future gun thread.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:18 PM (yRXSd)

130 The Hi Point:
Posted by: Vanya at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM (v27SO)

LMAO! See?

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:18 PM (M+Nrs)

131 A friend came over and remarked that he's now accepting disassembled firearms on the dining room table as part of our decor.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:09 PM

Isn't it everybody's?

The hot home decor trend is a John Deere battery on the kitchen counter.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:20 PM (a3Q+t)

132 How are you and Mr. bluebell!? Heidi sends her love. Oh, and to you too Weasel.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:13 PM (9214m)
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So glad you are well - and so are we. You are in the mountains now? Did you move?

Posted by: bluebell at September 17, 2023 08:20 PM (pTb/Z)

133 Nurse and Ben Had. Love you. More vodka. Out.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 17, 2023 08:20 PM (9214m)

134 The .40 Glock gets a shot of Fireball

Unsupported chambers can do that.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:18 PM (a3Q+t)
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IYKYK, amirite?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:20 PM (llXky)

135 Weasel, one day, probably sooner that later, a lot of people will be glad they spent some time each Sunday evening here at the gub thread. I know I am already.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 08:21 PM (NxC5+)

136 FWIW, for whatever reason, a bunch of scabbards and several SMLE Pattern 1907 bayonets have hit Ebay today.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (5jVrT)
Closing out old inventory behind the main rack is my guess.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:11 PM (llXky)

Haha….yup. A friend of mine recently closed up his pawn shop to retire. After he cleared out all the rifles from his walls he found a socket type FAL bayonet on the shelf. I offered him 5 bucks for it.

He said never mind and just gave it to me.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 08:21 PM (R/m4+)

137 Governor Hairgel strikes again!

California Gov. Newsom Officially Calls for Constitutional Convention to Repeal Second Amendment

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 17, 2023 08:21 PM (FVME7)

138 My h/t to Weasel…this is a thread that is a must-stop for me. The fact that he has put up with us for so dang long is remarkable. Especially fools like me. I can’t believe five years have gone by, but I’ve been following the blog since about, what, 2016 or so?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:22 PM (tlzt2)

139 And, thank you, again, Weasel, for the gub. It is a ritual for me to push everything else away and ensure I read this - including all the comments.

Happy Anniversary!

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:22 PM (M+Nrs)

140 Nurse, I'm bringing my H&K P7 to TX. Would you and/or Helena Handbasket be kind enough to test drive it with a couple of magazines on the course you set up? I'd like to hear what you think about it as a potential concealed carry gun.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:23 PM (yRXSd)

141 The hot home decor trend is a John Deere battery on the kitchen counter.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:20 PM (a3Q+t)

At least that one is unlikely to burn your house down.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:23 PM (M+Nrs)

142 No range report again but I do have some interesting auction wins--two Third Generation 9mm Smiths join my other one.

No PD or South American military markings. One is the alloy frame with a steel slide and the other is the all steel chunk with both slide and frame. Did a detail disassembly of both guns and replaced all the springs courtesy of Wolff Springs refurb packs. The alloy frame was deceptively clean until I got into the guts by removing parts---then I ran into what was probably a gun lubricated with WD-40.

Sticky nasty mess far worse to remove than cosmolene. Hardened crap that required scrubbing and soaking with solvents to get rid of and a one hour job became a three hour job. Still have to remove the extractor pin so as to check the extractor but the pin is literally glued shut and won't budge. Kroil is being applied for a day or so to soften it.

The other steel frame 5900 series was thoroughly carbonized with hardened carbon crud in all the crevices. However, it cleaned up well. I got my blued 5900 series out of the safe and cleaned and lubed it up as well.

Both of the new acquisitions show wear but they all have a common uncommon trigger system--DAO

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:24 PM (5jVrT)

143 All y'all, in my opinion our pal rhomboid could be reviewing cigars for Cigar Aficianado magazine, and we are very fortunate to have him doing these. Thank you, rhomboid![i/]

Absolutely concur.
Gonna have to boost the IRA just to afford some of his samples. Great reviews.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 08:24 PM (uSHSS)

144 Since Weasel is away, let's get kinky.

How 'bout that 8×50mmR Lebel?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:24 PM (a3Q+t)

145 Looking forward to seeing ya'll in Texas.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 17, 2023 08:24 PM (rQpnh)

146 137 Governor Hairgel strikes again!

California Gov. Newsom Officially Calls for Constitutional Convention to Repeal Second Amendment
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 17, 2023 08:21 PM (FVME7)

Yeah, good luck with that. One more thing: even if you COULD repeal it, the right to self defense still exists. Idiots like him do not and do not want to understand that rights like self defense, speech, conscience et al have ALWAYS existed and cannot be taken away. What the Constitution does is instruct the government that these rights must be protected and that it is the duty of government.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:25 PM (tlzt2)

147 Stoopid italicans.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 08:26 PM (uSHSS)

148 129 Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (NxC5+)

I'm planning on bringing one to TX, so you can try it for yourself. 9mm only as of right now, though. I've submitted a quick review for Weasel's consideration in a future gun thread.
Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:18 PM
Thank you Ed. Looking forward to it. I have one made in near as I can figure 49 and used by the West German Police. I wish I had the 72 model I let go back yonder somewhere.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 08:27 PM (NxC5+)

149 By the way, I walked into the local pawn shop and had to exert the utmost in self-control to not walk about with the very nice looking Randall 1911 someone had pawned.

Looked to be in almost pristine condition with very nice sights on it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:27 PM (2YtOq)

150 5th anniversary is wood. A nice set of cocobolo grips for a 1911?

Happy birthday / blogiversary, Weasel.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at September 17, 2023 08:28 PM (L3byd)

151 136 FWIW, for whatever reason, a bunch of scabbards and several SMLE Pattern 1907 bayonets have hit Ebay today.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:07 PM (5jVrT)
Closing out old inventory behind the main rack is my guess.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:11 PM (llXky)

Haha….yup. A friend of mine recently closed up his pawn shop to retire. After he cleared out all the rifles from his walls he found a socket type FAL bayonet on the shelf. I offered him 5 bucks for it.

He said never mind and just gave it to me.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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AH, possibly on the clearing out but I did not check who was selling as not much interested in collecting and storing bayonets. Have a few that came with rifles and replaced an SKS Russki one that was missing but that is about it. The Brit Pig Sticker WWII era Lee Enfied No 4 bayonet though is about the cheapest pos I have ever seen. Looks like a landscape spike brazed to a bayonet lug. The scabbard is nothing to brag about either.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:28 PM (5jVrT)

152 Hasn't that cake been seen before? Does Weasel just store it in the freezer between Anniversary celebrations?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:14 PM (a3Q+t)
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He has a standing order at the local bakery.
Posted by: bluebell at September 17, 2023 08:17 PM (pTb/Z)
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I'm thinking Weasel uses the extra fondant for ballistic jell down on Weasel Acres.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 08:28 PM (uSHSS)

153 Thanks Weasel for 5 years of an absolutely wonderful place to come on Sunday evening.
And good night to everyone!

Posted by: Coelacanth at September 17, 2023 08:28 PM (ZZPor)

154 Can't wait to see everyone at the TXMoMe ! Have put in for a couple days off at the new j*b. The Cleaning Seminar should be a big draw, thamks Weasel !

Posted by: Steck at September 17, 2023 08:31 PM (LlRQB)

155 A dental plan? Hopes it not modeled on the British system.

And wow Cannibal Bob, Heidi still slapping some dirt or just a hot iron?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:31 PM (FF1fo)

156 Thanks for 5 years of gun thread goodness!

I celebrated by going to a local gun range with some of my new church friends.

We had a great time!

I'll be sending in a range report...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 17, 2023 08:31 PM (BpYfr)

157 How 'bout that 8×50mmR Lebel?
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Ahead of its time in some ways, behind in others. Lathe turned gilding metal bullets, first military bullet to boast a boattail and has the classic wedge taper to make them easy to extract in crappy conditions with crappy mfg. Rimmed case to seal the chamber from crappy brass.

Don't recommend firing it though in a sporterized Berthier or Lebel as it can kick like a mule similar to the German WWII 8mm load.

The later WWII era 7.5 French is much nicer and very close to the Savage .300 ballistics.
Prvi is the only one still making this ammo though that I am aware of.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:32 PM (5jVrT)

158 The Brit Pig Sticker WWII era Lee Enfied No 4 bayonet though is about the cheapest pos I have ever seen. Looks like a landscape spike brazed to a bayonet lug. The scabbard is nothing to brag about either.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:28 PM (5jVrT)
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It's been said that the German and Japanese "last ditch" equipment wasn't produced until 1945, but the British and Russian "last ditch" was 1941 and 1942.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:32 PM (llXky)

159 Looked to be in almost pristine condition with very nice sights on it.
Posted by: blake

Take it you mean Remington Rand? Never heard of a Randall 1911 but then again, don't keep up with them as collectibles.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:33 PM (5jVrT)

160 A few nights ago I went to an NRA-ILA event in Lubbock where the audience was told about the three new pro-2A laws passed by the legislature. Also a bit of recruiting and a bit of a breakdown about how they do business. Very informative. I wish more people could have been there but it was a last minute put together thing. It was put together by an NRA-ILA rep, and Robert Pratt of “Pratt On Texas” (you can catch that show as a podcast. Great guy, by the way, as I met him there.).

One of the best parts of the show are the anti-wimp updates: a news story out of somewhere in TX where a gun is used in self-defense. Think the radio version of the NRA’s American Rifleman’s “The Armed Citizen” and you have an idea what it’s about.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 08:34 PM (tlzt2)

161 By the way, I walked into the local pawn shop and had to exert the utmost in self-control to not walk about with the very nice looking Randall 1911 someone had pawned.

Looked to be in almost pristine condition with very nice sights on it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:27 PM (2YtOq)
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Consignment sales are where you find the best bargains. No question.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:34 PM (llXky)

162 Ok, gotta go. Happy Anniversary!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 17, 2023 08:35 PM (llXky)

163 Take it you mean Remington Rand? Never heard of a Randall 1911 but then again, don't keep up with them as collectibles.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:33 PM (5jVrT)
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It was a company which tried to build, at the time, top of the line 1911's, circa 1980's, I believe. I was going to try and buy one, way back when but, three kids and a wife said the money wasn't there.

Company no longer exists or was bought and operates under another name. Not sure which.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:35 PM (2YtOq)

164 Take it you mean Remington Rand? Never heard of a Randall 1911 but then again, don't keep up with them as collectibles.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:33 PM

Very collectable.

https://sightm1911.com/lib/history/randall_history.htm

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 08:36 PM (a3Q+t)

165 Not that it was going anywhere anyway but a small victory...

The Gateway Pundit @gatewaypundit 1h
New Mexico Governor Folds, Removes Firearm Carry Ban from Emergency Order via @gatewaypundit

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 08:36 PM (krqg6)

166 Speaking of "Last Ditch," Morons I present to you the Sterling Arms Lanchester Mk I SMG.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:36 PM (FF1fo)

167 It's been said that the German and Japanese "last ditch" equipment wasn't produced until 1945, but the British and Russian "last ditch" was 1941 and 1942.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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True. You can definitely tell that both the Russians and Brits were under pressure as my Maltby No. 4 and a similar 1942 dated Sov Union Mosin both show rough external finishes where the machine tooling were probably used past the norm. Both though have good internal barrels and solid parts (but the Mosin was rearsenaled so dunno if parts were changed internally). The Brit No. 4 apparently still had sand in it from who knows where that I removed in detailed cleaning.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:37 PM (5jVrT)

168 Idiots like him do not and do not want to understand that rights like self defense, speech, conscience et al have ALWAYS existed and cannot be taken away. What the Constitution does is instruct the government that these rights must be protected and that it is the duty of government.
****
Gospel!

Posted by: Grateful at September 17, 2023 08:38 PM (IQ6Gq)

169 The Brit No. 4 apparently still had sand in it from who knows where that I removed in detailed cleaning.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:37 PM (5jVrT)
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The Brits, at one point, were only cutting two rifling grooves in the SMLE. Anything to cut production times.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:39 PM (2YtOq)

170 Very collectable.

https://sightm1911.com/lib/history/randall_history.htm
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Interesting. Thanks for the link and it was an interesting skim. A boutique firm kinda like Detonics was and the Guy that chopped and trimmed Smith 59's into a compact pistol back in the 70's

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:40 PM (5jVrT)

171 When I see the prices of bayonets I think back to my yute days when the Army Navy store would have paper drums full of various designs and ancestry for a couple bucks. This complimented the drums with the $15 Carcanos and $25 Kar98s. You never have a time machine when you need one. When 96/11 Schmidt Rubins hit the shores, you could get the saw tooth pioneer bayonet for a few bucks extra and they were probably the most beautifully made bayonet ever.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 08:40 PM (0EOe9)

172 Post World War II US, where someone with a couple thousand dollars and a good truck/trailer combo could buy a field full of surplus military airplanes like P-51s and F4Us.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:43 PM (FF1fo)

173 169 Blake, you will also encounter Brit No. 4s with the stamping "war finish", like they were apologizing for painting it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 08:44 PM (0EOe9)

174 The Brits, at one point, were only cutting two rifling grooves in the SMLE. Anything to cut production times.
Posted by: blake
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Mine has the traditional five groove which makes it a bitch sizing lead bullets via caliper calculations after slugging the barrel. Mfg date is early 42 or so.

US did the two groove barrel thing as well for Springfields 03a3 in WWII. Both countries tested and found two grooves about as good as the 5 (UK) or 4 (US) std. Cast Boolit shooters prefer the two groove as these tend to shoot more accurately with cast than more than 2 grooves.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:44 PM (5jVrT)

175 173 169 Blake, you will also encounter Brit No. 4s with the stamping "war finish", like they were apologizing for painting it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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They did a rough parkerizing then Suncorite was painted on. Over time though, the Suncorite chipped and made for a woebegone look on used surplus Lee Enfields.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:46 PM (5jVrT)

176 Sorry Y'all! I'm back. I had to take care of a little emergency humanitarian mission. All good now!

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 08:46 PM (RG6z4)

177 Sorry Y'all! I'm back. I had to take care of a little emergency humanitarian mission. All good now!
Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 08:46 PM (RG6z4)
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WB!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:47 PM (2YtOq)

178 Blake, you will also encounter Brit No. 4s with the stamping "war finish", like they were apologizing for painting it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 08:44 PM (0EOe9)
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Interesting, thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:49 PM (2YtOq)

179 Been busy this weekend, Anna??

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 8m
NEW 🚨 US military is asking public to help find $80 million F-35 stealth fighter jet that has gone missing

https://tinyurl.com/3t9fbtas
Not really; unknown crash site in S.C.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 08:50 PM (krqg6)

180 It was a company which tried to build, at the time, top of the line 1911's, circa 1980's, I believe. I was going to try and buy one, way back when but, three kids and a wife said the money wasn't there.

Company no longer exists or was bought and operates under another name. Not sure which.
Posted by: blake
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A lot of small firearm firms came and went from the 50's on to the 90's with a lot of weird and wonderful designs like the Whitney Wolverine.

That being said, I don't really collect semi auto handguns but use them as tools apart from a few chance revolvers that I came across. I won't own a gun that I am afraid will cost me my investment if I shoot it.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:50 PM (5jVrT)

181 If you want a modern High Power at a reasonable price, Turkish clones are now available. Look for EEA, Girsan, and European American Armory brand names. Springfield Armory also is making a nice clone, for more money and !limited availability.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 17, 2023 08:50 PM (YRK4R)

182 Fashionably late as usual, but glad I made it in time to say hello and happy birthday Gun Thread. Nice job Weasel! This is a favorite thread on AoSHQ for me because of all the morons and the things I learn here. EdL, that’s a beauty FN and maybe I will have to pull the trigger and get one. Alas, budgetary restrictions always put a damper on desires. As usual, thank you Weasel!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 17, 2023 08:50 PM (eUsLv)

183 The old gent that mentored me in my youth when it came to guns bought a large quantity of never issued two groove barrels. He was threading and chambering them for a number of actions, giving the barreled action a quick and dirty blue and bedding them in cheap (price, not quality) Herters stock. Guy cranked out quite a few "first deer rifles" and the two groove barrels always shot "minute of whitetail".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 08:51 PM (0EOe9)

184 California Gov. Newsom Officially Calls for Constitutional Convention to Repeal Second Amendment
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

I'd like to officially call for a Prostitutional Convention for Governor Greaseball to go fuck hisself.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at September 17, 2023 08:52 PM (1qxpZ)

185 That being said, I don't really collect semi auto handguns but use them as tools apart from a few chance revolvers that I came across. I won't own a gun that I am afraid will cost me my investment if I shoot it.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:50 PM (5jVrT)
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This particular one is about $800. It's a bargain and I may well head back and pick it up later this week.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:52 PM (2YtOq)

186 Since I mentioned drinks earlier, I would like to compliment the Longhorn Steakhouse bartender for making an old-fashioned with a proper amount of alcohol. It was not the almost-Shirley Temples that so many seem to make today. It was also $10, so....

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 08:55 PM (M+Nrs)

187 166 Speaking of "Last Ditch," Morons I present to you the Sterling Arms Lanchester Mk I SMG.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Anna,
Lancasters look nicer than all but the last model Sten but are even a cut below Stens in functioning which is saying a bit. Want to say that only the Royal Navy used them and perhaps the RAF. Army used Stens and then later Thompson SMGs from Lend Lease.

British SMGs reached a peak though with their Sterling which was a much better version of the Sten design. The magazines are much improved too in functionality than the Stens.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:55 PM (5jVrT)

188 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:36 PM (FF1fo)

The Lanchester SMG was a straightforward, unashamed British copy of the MP-28 (an updated MP-1

SMG. It was a pre-war gun, so I'm not sure I'd call it a "last ditch" weapon. My nomination is the Sten Mark 1*. This is an SMG so ugly only its mother would love it. Cobbled together by anyone with basic knowledge of machine tooling, some 100,000 were turned out in less than a year in 1940-41. If this period wasn't "last ditch" for Britain, I'd like to know what was.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:55 PM (yRXSd)

189 A crashed F-35?

Well that is one very expensive hole in the ground. Any word on the pilot?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:56 PM (FF1fo)

190 Well, time to wander. We've just installed a new UHD tv and it's time to break it in.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at September 17, 2023 08:56 PM (2YtOq)

191 This particular one is about $800. It's a bargain and I may well head back and pick it up later this week.
Posted by: blake
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That is about the going price for a new Stainless 1911 so go for it. I don't hesitate or delay buying if it is a good bargain.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:56 PM (5jVrT)

192 Post World War II US, where someone with a couple thousand dollars and a good truck/trailer combo could buy a field full of surplus military airplanes like P-51s and F4Us.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:43 PM (FF1fo)

About 4700 P-39’s went to the Soviet Union during the war.

There has to be a hanger or two over there with a few stuffed away for storage and forgotten about.

4700. Boggles my mind.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 08:57 PM (R/m4+)

193 I would call the Lanchester a 'last ditch' weapon since they did indeed copy a German SMG to save time.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:58 PM (FF1fo)

194 If this period wasn't "last ditch" for Britain, I'd like to know what was.
Posted by: Ed L
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Seem to recall Churchill calling them cheap and nasty. Others compared it to what a plumber would cobble up. Last I checked, most of the copious spare parts kits of these are finally drying up.

Lots of AD's and jamming due to problems with magazines and construction via parts from the dispersal scheme.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:59 PM (5jVrT)

195 187 188 Look up last ditch Erma SMG and you will see what last ditch is all about. "Hans, go see if the hardware store has been bombed out. If not, bring back everything. We has contract."

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 08:59 PM (0EOe9)

196 Whig @ 180-
I don't buy Ruger, Taurus, or S&W semi autos, although I own more than a few of their revolvers. Dependable.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 08:59 PM (NxC5+)

197 4700. Boggles my mind.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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The Brownings alone would bring big bucks if legal but I don't think lend lease to Russia can be imported back into the US because technically the US still owns the lend lease material. Lots of Korean carbines and maybe even some Garands etc have been in limbo since the Clinton years over that issue.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:01 PM (5jVrT)

198 Post World War II US, where someone with a couple thousand dollars and a good truck/trailer combo could buy a field full of surplus military airplanes like P-51s and F4Us.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Stop it. You'll bring me to tears.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 17, 2023 09:01 PM (IaTa3)

199 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:58 PM (FF1fo)

In 1945, the Germans did the same thing. They copied the Sten Mark 2 as the MP-3008 and issued it to home defense units.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:02 PM (yRXSd)

200 Randall, (IIRC), was also the first to manufacture a true, mirror___, Left Hand version of the 1911.

And I'm iffy if it was they or Para-Ordnance, who had the Long Slide 1911.

Which, never appealed to me, as I find the balance of a 1911 Commander to be preferable over a Government Model.

Holy Grail gun for me, would be a Series 70, Colt's Lightweight Commander. After the usual, and not extravagant gunsmithing mods, that, to me, is just damn near the Universal Pistol.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 09:03 PM (e6UQI)

201 192 Ivan never seems to throw away anything. Under things never seen are the S&W Russians that the Czar stiffed S&W on payment, the clones made in Russia, and, what would be greatest to find in the dusty warehouse, three shipments of Merwin and Hulberts, quantity unspecified, that the Czar also said nyet on the payment.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:04 PM (0EOe9)

202 I think I am all caught up now. THANK YOU for all the kind words, everyone. But remember it's all y'all that make this a fun place!

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:04 PM (RG6z4)

203 edit: 200. Mirror- I M A G E.

Gee, thanks, Pixy.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 09:04 PM (e6UQI)

204 196 Whig @ 180-
I don't buy Ruger, Taurus, or S&W semi autos, although I own more than a few of their revolvers. Dependable.
Posted by: Eromero
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I do admit as I did upstream though that I own S&W Third Generation wondernines. Bought a couple recently because their simpler manual of arms plus the revolver like trigger from their DAO versions make it a bit easier to use due to advancing inflammatory arthritis, peripheral neuropathy in hands, and hand surgery. Due to loss of sensation, don't want a light trigger anymore. I can better feel and control the full DA sequence as long as it is a smooth trigger stroke.

My 5946 weighs over 38 oz and the recoil is going to be pretty light in 9mm. The alloy frame duo weigh about 28-29 oz so not much even there.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:06 PM (5jVrT)

205 Well that is one very expensive hole in the ground. Any word on the pilot?
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Excuse the "they" crap...

||According to the first reports, the pilot is safe after ejecting from a USMC F-35B.

An F-35B Lighting II jet belonging to Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 (VMFAT-501) with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing based at MCAS (Marine Corps Air Station) Beaufort, South Carolina, has crashed on Sunday Sept. 18, 2023.

The pilot ejected safely from the STOVL (Short Take Off Vertical Landing) variant of the Joint Strike Fighter and taken to a hospital where they are in stable condition.

In a post on X, Joint Base Charleston says they are responding to a ‘mishap’ involving a pilot being ejected from a plane on Sunday. Interestingly, it looks like the aircraft has not yet been located, despite the pilot being recovered.||

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 09:06 PM (krqg6)

206 Howdy Weasel - and Happy Cinco Anos de Gun Thread-o!

For MoMe attendees who want to shoot but can't pick up ammo -- I can help. I'll be driving to Texas and will be picking up range ammo on the way. Hit me up at the email in my nic if you need to avail yourself to my assistance.

Posted by: Doof at September 17, 2023 09:06 PM (2pH9T)

207 Lots of AD's and jamming due to problems with magazines and construction via parts from the dispersal scheme.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 08:59 PM (5jVrT)

Concur. I recently refurbished 32 Sten mags with cleaning and new springs. The Brits called for the magazine spring to be no less than 12.5 inches in length. Most of the springs I replaced were around 10.5 inches and some had snapped near the bottom. The new mag springs all measured 13.5 inches and increase the reliability x100.

A new spring cost $6.95 and is well worth the expense.

All the used magazines, except for the Finnish ones, were filthy dirty inside from years of service.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 09:06 PM (R/m4+)

208 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 08:57 PM (R/m4+)

Among other things, we also delivered well over 4,000 Shermans to the Russians. Interestingly, Russian veterans who had experience in both the Sherman and T-34 favored the Sherman for its ergonomics, mechanical reliability, and ease of escape.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:07 PM (yRXSd)

209 About 4700 P-39’s went to the Soviet Union during the war.

There has to be a hangar or two over there with a few stuffed away for storage and forgotten about.

4700. Boggles my mind.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 08:57 PM (R/m4+)

And much else besides. John Keegan wrote something to the effect that the Red Army got to Berlin thanks to Detroit.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 09:07 PM (tlzt2)

210 Oh well back to the model building where I deal with 1/48 scale .30s and .50s plus the odd Mk 108 30mm cannon or MG151/20.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:08 PM (FF1fo)

211 Holy Grail gun for me, would be a Series 70, Colt's Lightweight Commander. After the usual, and not extravagant gunsmithing mods, that, to me, is just damn near the Universal Pistol.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
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For 1911 fans, you would be correct most likely as a carry piece.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:08 PM (5jVrT)

212 The pilot ejected safely from the STOVL (Short Take Off Vertical Landing) variant of the Joint Strike Fighter and taken to a hospital where they are in stable condition.

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"The pilot. . . " ... "they are in . . . ""

This garbage language is no accident, is it?

Posted by: Tonypete at September 17, 2023 09:08 PM (IaTa3)

213 The Soviet Army rode to Berlin in Studebaker trucks while eating SPAM.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:10 PM (FF1fo)

214 209 The Studebaker truck and Spam. From Khrushchev's memoirs.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:10 PM (0EOe9)

215 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 8m
NEW 🚨 US military is asking public to help find $80 million F-35 stealth fighter jet that has gone missing

https://tinyurl.com/3t9fbtas
Not really; unknown crash site in S.C.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 17, 2023 08:50 PM (krqg

No GPS on board?

Posted by: Drive by at September 17, 2023 09:10 PM (MNhXM)

216 I won't own a gun that I am afraid will cost me my investment if I shoot it.

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM (V8he0)

217 "The pilot. . . " ... "they are in . . . ""
This garbage language is no accident, is it?
Posted by: Tonypete

Hooked on homo-phonics

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM (1qxpZ)

218 The naval Range-finding and Fire Control video reminds me a little of Weasel's highly-recommended TxMoMe rifle clinic, what with the gratuitous trigonometry and all that - except that we don't have a lot of pitching and rolling decks off of which to shoot in Corsicana.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM (W5rDF)

219 213 214 Well, damn.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM (0EOe9)

220 The 'they' is deliberate because the newspaper does not know the 'gender' of the pilot.

M^&$# F()(*

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM (FF1fo)

221 189 A crashed F-35?

Well that is one very expensive hole in the ground. Any word on the pilot?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:56 PM
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The pilot ejected and is safe. Apparently, the downed F-35 remains missing. As of 2 hours ago, the military was looking for assistance from the public. If you're north of Charleson, SC and near Lake Moultrie or Lake Marion, keep your eyes peeled.

Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)

222 For 1911 fans
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:08 PM

To be fair, despite his public predilection for some varieties of tupperware, Eromero is one.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 09:13 PM (a3Q+t)

223 Post World War II US, where someone with a couple thousand dollars and a good truck/trailer combo could buy a field full of surplus military airplanes like P-51s and F4Us.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Stop it. You'll bring me to tears.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 17, 2023 09:01 PM (IaTa3)
***

When I was a wee lad growing up at the local small airport, one of the guys there was Canadian and found a Hawker Hurricane in a farmers barn. He hauled it back and spent the next two years rebuilding it. Beautiful airplane.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 09:13 PM (uSHSS)

224 Holy Grail gun for me, would be a Series 70, Colt's Lightweight Commander. After the usual, and not extravagant gunsmithing mods, that, to me, is just damn near the Universal Pistol.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

That was my Dad's commissioning present to me in 1972. The only thing I have done to it is install a set of Trijicon rear sights and a fiber optic front sight. It is still my carry gun of choice.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 17, 2023 09:13 PM (PWe8a)

225 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 17, 2023 09:07 PM (tlzt2)

COL (Retired) David Glantz wrote that among WWII Russian veterans, "Studebaker" remained a synonym for "truck," and "Willys" for "jeep" for decades after the war. That's a fair assessment of Detroit's contribution to victory on the Eastern Front in WWII.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:13 PM (yRXSd)

226 If the F-35 is in a lake, does the lake become a Super Fund site?

Yes it does.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (FF1fo)

227 Concur. I recently refurbished 32 Sten mags with cleaning and new springs. The Brits called for the magazine spring to be no less than 12.5 inches in length. Most of the springs I replaced were around 10.5 inches and some had snapped near the bottom. The new mag springs all measured 13.5 inches and increase the reliability x100.

A new spring cost $6.95 and is well worth the expense.

All the used magazines, except for the Finnish ones, were filthy dirty inside from years of service.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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I am guessing that you have a Sten. Must have a fascinating collection of milsurps from what I have gathered. I studied for while rebuilding post smg war kits but decided the investment and the pita from the BATF was not worth it.

Prefer bolt action rifles as well.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (5jVrT)

228 Had a skipper that lost his RIO during ejection. Came in on emergency, starboard oleo collapsed just as the RIO punched out. F4B.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (0EOe9)

229 except that we don't have a lot of pitching and rolling decks off of which to shoot in Corsicana.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM

I can help with that.

Posted by: The Horse Trailer at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

230 Happy 5th from TN. Long time lurker and I read every Sunday but don’t comment much . I do sincerely appreciate it. Kudos

Posted by: Biggest Alfredo at September 17, 2023 09:15 PM (8cPKb)

231 Took the oldest kiddo to the range yesterday - just a bit of plinking with the gsg-16 - fun for exactly that - and tight groups at 25-50 yards with the little foregrip/bipod attachment I slapped on it.

AR-15 build is complete, but won't be able to prove it in for a couple weeks - wife and I heading to Italy for our 20th anniv. - first firing of the build after the trip.

Posted by: MD_Mike at September 17, 2023 09:15 PM (BouEL)

232 221 189 A crashed F-35?

Well that is one very expensive hole in the ground. Any word on the pilot?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 08:56 PM
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The pilot ejected and is safe. Apparently, the downed F-35 remains missing. As of 2 hours ago, the military was looking for assistance from the public. If you're north of Charleson, SC and near Lake Moultrie or Lake Marion, keep your eyes peeled.
Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM
Might have driven itself 20 feet deep in Hellhole Swamp.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:16 PM (NxC5+)

233 Posted by: Biggest Alfredo at September 17, 2023 09:15 PM (8cPKb)
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Nice to see you!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:16 PM (RG6z4)

234 and ease of escape.
Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:07 PM (yRXSd)

Important consideration against 88s.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:16 PM (M+Nrs)

235 Posted by: Doof at September 17, 2023 09:06 PM (2pH9T)

Doof, how about a review of that Walther you mentioned a couple of weeks ago?

Posted by: Oddbob at September 17, 2023 09:17 PM (nfrXX)

236 Well a Hurricane is half fabric covered so you could stitch one together. Assuming the aft fuselage tubes hadn't rusted away.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:17 PM (FF1fo)

237 No GPS on board?
Posted by: Drive by at September 17, 2023 09:10 PM (MNhXM)

Why would a GPS help? If it's not transmitting its location, GPS does bupkis.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:18 PM (M+Nrs)

238 I can help with that.
Posted by: The Horse Trailer at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

{snort}

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 09:18 PM (W5rDF)

239 The cake is flamboyantly, no flamingly...no scorchingly gay but you know that and are f*cking with us.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

That's a perfectly good cake for a five year old!

And one more "congrats" on the anniversary, Weasel!

Posted by: mikeski at September 17, 2023 09:18 PM (DgGvY)

240 The pilot ejected and is safe. Apparently, the downed F-35 remains missing. As of 2 hours ago, the military was looking for assistance from the public. If you're north of Charleson, SC and near Lake Moultrie or Lake Marion, keep your eyes peeled.
Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM
Might have driven itself 20 feet deep in Hellhole Swamp.
Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:16 PM (NxC5+)
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Dang.
The comet that everyone is talking about sure looks like a F-35!
I'm thinking aliens!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 09:19 PM (uSHSS)

241 To be fair, despite his public predilection for some varieties of tupperware, Eromero is one.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

I admit having a couple of Tupperware types with some passed on versus some purchased. Too light a trigger for me anymore with neuropathy for carry now but I have one of the first Springfield XD's in 45 ACP that is one of the most accurate service size handguns that I have seen straight out of the box. The Glock 30 is no slouch either and the Glock does not particularly fit my hands well.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:19 PM (5jVrT)

242 Detroit's contribution to victory on the Eastern Front in WWII.
Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:13 PM (yRXSd)

With that, and all the firearms and aircraft we sent, you could argue the US won the Eastern Front at least as much as the Russians.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:20 PM (M+Nrs)

243 Aliens and the F-35?

There is a YouTube video out there that claims the F-35 uses alien tech.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:20 PM (FF1fo)

244 I am guessing that you have a Sten. Must have a fascinating collection of milsurps from what I have gathered. I studied for while rebuilding post smg war kits but decided the investment and the pita from the BATF was not worth it.
Prefer bolt action rifles as well.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (5jVrT)

Concur. The mark 2 is very upgradable with a pistol grip attached to a mark 5 stock and repo front grips for the barrel nut being made nowadays.

The mark 3 is not so much but I prefer it as it has a little more heft and with the mark 5 stock is quite comfortable.

Anyone interested should get a mark 2 as the barrel is quick to change and a great SMG to learn on being an open bolt and still affordable.

Parts for all types of stens are still readily available and affordable, like the Uzi.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 09:20 PM (R/m4+)

245 Congrats on 5 years!!!!!

I guess we know who is bringing desert!

Posted by: Rancherbob at September 17, 2023 09:20 PM (21WHr)

246 38 I can help with that.
Posted by: The Horse Trailer at September 17, 2023 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

{snort}
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 09:18 PM
For more than 5 years I pissed behind the horse trailer. Hell, at the MudMoMe I didn't even piss even after a 12pack of Modelos.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:21 PM (NxC5+)

247 192 Ivan never seems to throw away anything. Under things never seen are the S&W Russians that the Czar stiffed S&W on payment, the clones made in Russia, and, what would be greatest to find in the dusty warehouse, three shipments of Merwin and Hulberts, quantity unspecified, that the Czar also said nyet on the payment.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:04 PM (0EOe9)

When Wagner Group captured Bahkmut in Ukrainian, they found some cases of Thompson submachine guns, apparently still in the Lend Lease shipping boxes.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 17, 2023 09:22 PM (YRK4R)

248 Well a Hurricane is half fabric covered so you could stitch one together. Assuming the aft fuselage tubes hadn't rusted away.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2023 09:17 PM (FF1fo)

He did a lot of the fabric work in a small shop there on the airport. Same place I helped rebuild a Tiger Moth when I was a bit older. The old guy who owned the ship flew in WW 1.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 09:22 PM (uSHSS)

249 Posted by: Rancherbob at September 17, 2023 09:20 PM (21WHr)
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Howdy amigo!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM (RG6z4)

250 184 A few words appearing throughout the comments inclue "Newsom, Constitutional Convention, repeal, and Second Ammendment." These nasty little scumbags really do want final and complete control. A return to the Euro-trash serfdom that almost all of our ancestors were eager to leave, a couple of thousand years of slavery for most Europeans. The Second Ammendment has nothing at all to do with deer hunting, target shooting, collecting, or any of that. It's there to keep trash like Gavin Newsom at bay at best and as a Last Ditch at worst. Disgusting pile of crap, Newsom.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM (5wUKp)

251 The 'they' is deliberate because the newspaper does not know the 'gender' of the pilot.

--

Ah. So it was a chick.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM (+MSSo)

252 AR-15 build is complete, but won't be able to prove it in for a couple weeks - wife and I heading to Italy for our 20th anniv. - first firing of the build after the trip.
Posted by: MD_Mike

Have fun. Hint, before you shoot practice a bit with snap caps--you can check both trigger and extraction before going to the range. Second, is only load one round in the rifle for the initial shot. If all goes well, then two, then a couple more. What you are checking for is disconnector timing and if your rifle doubles, you only want a few rounds in there--if it goes click from the hammer following the bolt then that is usually a disconnector issue as well. You can change timing with a file or simply swap out for another disconnector as they are cheap parts.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM (5jVrT)

253 When Wagner Group captured Bahkmut in Ukrainian, they found some cases of Thompson submachine guns, apparently still in the Lend Lease shipping boxes.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

Supposedly we sent Russia a lot of Thompsons as part of the std. crew armament of the tanks we sent them.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:24 PM (5jVrT)

254 The Lanchester SMG was a straightforward, unashamed British copy of the MP-28 (an updated MP-1 SMG. It was a pre-war gun, so I'm not sure I'd call it a "last ditch" weapon. My nomination is the Sten Mark 1*. This is an SMG so ugly only its mother would love it. Cobbled together by anyone with basic knowledge of machine tooling, some 100,000 were turned out in less than a year in 1940-41. If this period wasn't "last ditch" for Britain, I'd like to know what was.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 08:55 PM (yRXSd)

The British desperately needed anti-tank weapons after the Fall of France. Several ad-hoc designs were accepted for use, produced, and issued to Army units and the Home Guard. If you are curious, search the webz for these rapidly deployed then rapidly discarded gizmos:

No.73 Anti-Tank Hand Grenade "Thermos Grenade"

Grenade, Hand, No.74 ST "Sticky Bomb" (The Original. Much more elaborate than C4 in a sock coated with bearing grease)

No.76, Special Incendiary Phosphorus Hand Grenade (a fancy Molotov Cocktail using milk bottles)

Blacker Bombard (spigot mortar firing an AT bomb. Issued for home defence only)

Northover projector (launched No.76 Grenades; Home Guard)

Posted by: GL at September 17, 2023 09:24 PM (5fDan)

255 247 Barns in the Benelux, attics in France could all have treasures from the Big Misunderstanding.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:24 PM (0EOe9)

256 Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM (RG6z4)

Hey Weasel, looking forward to the meet up and yes , you Arron the hook for a lovely desert cake.

Posted by: Rancherbob at September 17, 2023 09:25 PM (21WHr)

257 My 1911 Lightweight Commander's List of Mods:

1. Longer M-1911 trigger, vs. shorter 1911-A1 version. 2. Lowered & Flared Ejection Port. 3. Rails peened, trued & polished. 4. Barrel/Slide lugs gunsmith lapped & fitted. 5. Same for Barrel & Bushing. 6. Trijicon sights. 7. Ed Brown "frame-cut" version, Beavertail Grip Safety w/ "memory bump". 8. Lightly flare & polish Magwell. 9. High-Quality trigger job, crisp, 3.5~4lb pull, distinct reset.

Possible, I'd consider an undercut trigger guard, and an etched-frosted finish on the front-strap. Checkering or Stippling would be right-out. Maybe a larger slide release, larger safety paddle. No ambi, for slimness' sake.

And, thatisall.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 09:26 PM (e6UQI)

258 Posted by: Doof at September 17, 2023 09:06 PM (2pH9T)

Doof, how about a review of that Walther you mentioned a couple of weeks ago?
Posted by: Oddbob at September 17, 2023 09:17 PM (nfrXX)

Short review -- I love it! Recently bought 2 additional 12-round mags for it. (For those wondering, it's a Colt 1911 .22 made by Walther).

I'll send a better review and some photos to Weasel soon. A buddy of mine bought one at the same time.
First time shooting it was on a perfect evening at an outdoor range. We bought a few 12 packs of cheap soda and used the cans as targets. Got some good slo-mo video of an exploding can of orange soda.

Posted by: Doof at September 17, 2023 09:27 PM (2pH9T)

259 Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:20 PM (M+Nrs)

I'd argue that the trucks, rail cars, and raw materials for the Russian factories played just as important a part, if not a bigger one, than the weapons we sent. The 1943-45 Russian offensives would not have been possible without an endless stream of deuce and a half trucks ferrying supplies to the front from US supplied rail cars on trains pulled by US locomotives.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:27 PM (yRXSd)

260 Posted by: Rancherbob at September 17, 2023 09:25 PM (21WHr)
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Any gay bakeries in Corsicana?

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:27 PM (RG6z4)

261 254 Heh. Mentioned above was the Army Navy store when I was a kid. They were selling PIATs for cheap.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:28 PM (0EOe9)

262 Ah. So it was a chick.
Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM (+MSSo)

Or it could just be the Marines haven't yet released any info about the pilot, out of respect for their having just been through a pretty rough event.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:28 PM (M+Nrs)

263 Probably.

Posted by: Rancherbob at September 17, 2023 09:28 PM (21WHr)

264 The pilot ejected and is safe. Apparently, the downed F-35 remains missing. As of 2 hours ago, the military was looking for assistance from the public. If you're north of Charleson, SC and near Lake Moultrie or Lake Marion, keep your eyes peeled.
Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 09:11 PM

Might have driven itself 20 feet deep in Hellhole Swamp.
Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:16 PM (NxC5+)

Didn't that happen to a couple of nukes from a B-47 that broke-up in-flight in the Fifties?

Posted by: GL at September 17, 2023 09:28 PM (5fDan)

265 Last note on the stens. The mark 5 stock is the wood one and after much trial and error found that a stock FAL pistol grip fits nicely with a wood screw to attach it to the stock and viola! Pistol Grip stock which than can be used on a mark 2 or 3.

The mark 5 has a pistol grip on the longer receiver behind the trigger guard which doesn’t jive with the mark 2 or 3.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 09:29 PM (R/m4+)

266 Anyone interested should get a mark 2 as the barrel is quick to change and a great SMG to learn on being an open bolt and still affordable.

Parts for all types of stens are still readily available and affordable, like the Uzi.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Good advice for folks. Interesting information. I can remember when Sarco was practically giving those kits away for less than $100 bucks and basically you use steel tubing for the receiver. Thought about it but making the Sten into a closed bolt semi auto would be a pita, not particularly reliable, and screwups could bring the BATF on my ass. So skipped it after doing a lot of research on those, the Finn and Ruski smgs etc instead to jump right into building ARs.

Easy to build ARs as semi autos, much harder to rebuild a semi Bren, Bar, etc. to the ATF's liking.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:30 PM (5jVrT)

267 Tony Vanderlinden's book says it's Belgian-made. FN didn't move High Power production out of the Liege factory (to Portugal) until the 1980s. High Power pistols were never produced in the US by FN until the "new" model High Power came out in 2022.
Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 07:40 PM (yRXSd)

Didn't the John Inglis Company (appliances) make a bunch of Hi-Powers in Canada during WWII?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2023 09:30 PM (EjbI+)

268 The Glock 30 is no slouch either and the Glock does not particularly fit my hands well.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:19 PM

Same same. The G30 punches well-above it's weight given its size.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 09:30 PM (a3Q+t)

269 Rails peened, trued & polished.

Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 09:26 PM (e6UQI)

OK, and now you need to explain all of that for the non-smith types. How do you peen rails? Only peen I know of is a hammer and that doesn't seem helpful.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:31 PM (M+Nrs)

270 OK, 9:33 thank you time!

Thank you! All y'all are the best! Apologies for missing half of the thread - a friend was having car troubles and I had to go on a little rescue mission.

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:33 PM (RG6z4)

271 257 My 1911 Lightweight Commander's List of Mods:

1. Longer M-1911 trigger, vs. shorter 1911-A1 version. 2. Lowered & Flared Ejection Port. 3. Rails peened, trued & polished. 4. Barrel/Slide lugs gunsmith lapped & fitted. 5. Same for Barrel & Bushing. 6. Trijicon sights. 7. Ed Brown "frame-cut" version, Beavertail Grip Safety w/ "memory bump". 8. Lightly flare & polish Magwell. 9. High-Quality trigger job, crisp, 3.5~4lb pull, distinct reset.

Possible, I'd consider an undercut trigger guard, and an etched-frosted finish on the front-strap. Checkering or Stippling would be right-out. Maybe a larger slide release, larger safety paddle. No ambi, for slimness' sake.

And, thatisall.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 09:26 PM
Dang, you haven't given much thought to this, have you?

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:33 PM (NxC5+)

272 Ah. So it was a chick.
Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 09:23 PM

Have they said it crashed while attempting to parallel park?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 09:33 PM (a3Q+t)

273 Same same. The G30 punches well-above it's weight given its size.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Over the years, I found that the mini glocks shot better for me than the service size. The XD's fit my hand better and I do have a Longslide M&P that does nicely as well from competition days.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:34 PM (5jVrT)

274 Yup, 16" is a Major Caliber.

Posted by: Javems at September 17, 2023 09:35 PM (8I4hW)

275 Congratulations Weasel on five years!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 17, 2023 09:35 PM (MeG8a)

276 How do you peen rails? Only peen I know of is a hammer and that doesn't seem helpful.
Posted by: GWB

You take you pene, and rub it all over the rails of the frame. This never fails to bring you closer to both your gun and weapon.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 17, 2023 09:35 PM (IaTa3)

277 Last ditch you say?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_3008

Posted by: Outside of Life at September 17, 2023 09:35 PM (89Sog)

278 Thank you! All y'all are the best! Apologies for missing half of the thread - a friend was having car troubles and I had to go on a little rescue mission.
Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:33 PM (RG6z4)
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Did he get lost in Baltimore? That must have been some rescue...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 17, 2023 09:36 PM (BpYfr)

279 OK, and now you need to explain all of that for the non-smith types. How do you peen rails? Only peen I know of is a hammer and that doesn't seem helpful.
Posted by: GWB
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You tighten the fit of slide to frame rails by literally using a ball peen hammer to gently swage the metal of the rails. After doing so, you then need to make the rails perfectly smooth again.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:36 PM (5jVrT)

280 278 Landover MD. Had to shoot his way out.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:37 PM (0EOe9)

281 Needed to finish by smoothing any imperfections via stoning or filing (preferably stoning unless you are really heavy handed).

Think Brownells had some jig tooling for tightening 1911 rails but some premium makes like Les Bauer or Ed Brown have tight slide fits to begin with.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (5jVrT)

282 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 17, 2023 09:36 PM (BpYfr)
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Ha! That's for sure.

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (RG6z4)

283 You take you pene, and rub it all over the rails of the frame. This never fails to bring you closer to both your gun and weapon.
Posted by: Tonypete
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You got confused in basic training as to your gun and your weapon didn't you?

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (5jVrT)

284 5 years. I haz learned a lot here.

Posted by: RI Red at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (+SgZB)

285 some premium makes like Les Bauer or Ed Brown have tight slide fits to begin with.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (5jVrT)

Which makes them just a bit finicky.

And for $4k, they shouldn't be finicky.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:40 PM (lQONO)

286 You got confused in basic training as to your gun and your weapon didn't you?
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM

Back then, it was confusion. The way things are going, it will soon be the standard.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 09:41 PM (a3Q+t)

287 267 Yes. Inglis made a bunch. Fun fact. Inglis mags hold 14 rounds.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:41 PM (0EOe9)

288 Posted by: RI Red at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (+SgZB)
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Happy to hear that. You have done well, grasshopper.

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:41 PM (RG6z4)

289 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2023 09:30 PM (EjbI+)

They did. But the Inglis guns were made to Imperial/English dimensions. FN guns were made to metric dimensions. So, parts may not interchange. FN's executives negotiated a licensing agreement where FN got 40 cents for each pistol made by Inglis. But after WWII, Inglis turned over all its tooling to the Canadian government, who set up a state-owned company to make the High Power, ostensibly for Canadian forces. This firm began selling High Powers for the commercial market w/o FN approval. FN sued and forced Canada to stop selling complete High Powers.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (yRXSd)

290 285 some premium makes like Les Bauer or Ed Brown have tight slide fits to begin with.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:39 PM (5jVrT)

Which makes them just a bit finicky.

And for $4k, they shouldn't be finicky.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:40 PM
Sig 1911 is pretty tight and accurate, and well...pretty.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (NxC5+)

291 Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:36 PM (5jVrT)

You bang a hammer on your weapon?!? I might have to leave the gunsmithing to others....

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (M+Nrs)

292 ..OK, and now you need to explain all of that for the non-smith types. How do you peen rails? Only peen I know of is a hammer and that doesn't seem helpful.
Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:31 PM (M+Nrs)

Given the loose & sloppy fit of many worn out Surplus 1911s, it was not uncommon for a 'smithy to do just as you said.

Lightly peen the rails, so as to malform them to be slightly oversized for the grooves in the slide.

Then, they'd clamp the frame into a jig, and very carefully and slowly, "stone" the rails with Hard Arkansas sharpening stones, and bring them down to JUST be a very closely fitted match between rails and slide.

Modern CNC production makes this unnecessary, as the manufacturing tolerances can be so minute now, as to be nearly un-measurable.

For example, Cabot 1911s, claims a +/- ONE MILLIONTH of an inch, as to the blueprint specifications. So, if John Moses Browning said that a slide rail should be 1/10th of an inch tall, with a tolerance of +/- .002, Cabot would exceed that with a rail of 1/10th inch, with a tolerance No More Than +/- 0.0000001.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (e6UQI)

293 Which makes them just a bit finicky.

And for $4k, they shouldn't be finicky.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:40 PM

Says the man who's lusted after a Les Baer. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (a3Q+t)

294 Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:33 PM (RG6z4)

Congratulations on five years of hosting, Weasel, and may they be followed by many more!

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:44 PM (yRXSd)

295 My Taylors & Co 1911 seems to have a pretty tight slide.
Which reminds me that I need to lube it.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:44 PM (M+Nrs)

296 Can you imagine the hand fitting in PO8 Luger production in the early days?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:45 PM (0EOe9)

297 Sig 1911 is pretty tight and accurate, and well...pretty.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (NxC5+)

That they are.

But I like my Kimber Carry Commander with the smoothed edges. I think it is elegant, and damn...it shoots like a dream.

And in general, there is nothing prettier than a well turned out 1911.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM (lQONO)

298 OK guys and gals. I'm going to make up for being late by leaving early. The ONT will be along soon so please don't burn the place down in the last 15 minutes!
Thanks again and hope to see you next Sunday.
'nite!

Posted by: Weasel at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM (RG6z4)

299 Which makes them just a bit finicky.

And for $4k, they shouldn't be finicky.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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You can have utmost reliability with all types of ammo but you are going to get more pedestrian accuracy OR you can tighten the specs to the minimum and get superlative accuracy at the cost of being picky on ammo. No free lunch.

Was reading a long thread on kabooms on the S&W forum earlier and a guy was upset that his 40 S&W Shield did a kaboom after he used some alleged +p light weight bullet in it. First of all, the ammo company knew damn well that 40 S&W never had a SAAMI approval for a +p and second, like the 9mm, the 40 is really sensitive to bullet setback or being seated too deep. A tenth of an inch raises pressures up to 10k or so.

So, you can lengthen the throat of most rifles and handguns to lessen the pressure but then that will probably be detrimental to accuracy and velocity for some ammo.

Essentially, handloading and futzing around with firearms for years has taught me that everything is a tradeoff.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM (5jVrT)

300 Which reminds me that I need to lube it.
Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:44 PM (M+Nrs)

Playing with guns can sound so... naughty.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM (M+Nrs)

301 Says the man who's lusted after a Les Baer. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2023 09:42 PM (a3Q+t)

Heh...busted!

They sure are nice pistols.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM (lQONO)

302
And in general, there is nothing prettier than a well turned out 1911.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM
And by the way, I made my Wild Turkey quota!

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:47 PM (NxC5+)

303 Right now I am going after a Tavor Bullpup. Fully ambidextrous. Made by Yids.

Hard to resist.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM (lQONO)

304 Ah. So it was a chick.
-

Or it could just be the Marines haven't yet released any info about the pilot, out of respect for their having just been through a pretty rough event.
Posted by: GWB

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Maybe. But they would probably release they details if he was alright. Regardless, I got to make the joke.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM (+MSSo)

305 Thanks for another good thread Weasel. Thanks to all for participating. I learned stuff.

Congrats again on 5 years of providing a virtual home for the armed (an unarmed) horde.

Posted by: TRex at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM (IQ6Gq)

306 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:45 PM (0EOe9)

Colt continued to hand-fit and polish its Python revolvers (a production gun) until production ceased in 2005. The hand-fit era isn't as far behind us as it might seem.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM (yRXSd)

307 Playing with guns can sound so... naughty.
Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:46 PM

Rifles, as well.

Posted by: GySgt. Hartmann at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM (a3Q+t)

308 And by the way, I made my Wild Turkey quota!

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:47 PM (NxC5+)

I was confident you would!

I've got something for you to taste if I come to Texas...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:49 PM (lQONO)

309 I made my Wild Turkey quota!
Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:47 PM (NxC5+)

*HIC!* Piker.

Posted by: Hillary at September 17, 2023 09:49 PM (M+Nrs)

310 thank you, Weasel, for making this a fun and informative place, especially for new gun enthusiasts like me. Every week I learn something new, and I am still connecting so many dots with the information I get here. Congrats on 5 years. And may you be here many more.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at September 17, 2023 09:49 PM (JrYM1)

311 You bang a hammer on your weapon?!? I might have to leave the gunsmithing to others....
Posted by: GWB
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Think jeweler's type hammers and pricey. You don't use your gunsmithing tools for hammering a nail or general bubbaing.

I use ceramic waterstones nowadays for occasional fine work rather than Ouachita stones because less messy. Still use India stones though for mass removal or to clean up file marks.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:49 PM (5jVrT)

312 A very happy 5th anniversary here Weasel. Very grateful for what you do here.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2023 09:50 PM (uSHSS)

313 Rifles, as well.
Posted by: GySgt. Hartmann at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM (a3Q+t)

Well, surprise, surprise, surprise!

Posted by: Gomer at September 17, 2023 09:50 PM (M+Nrs)

314 303 Right now I am going after a Tavor Bullpup. Fully ambidextrous. Made by Yids.

Hard to resist.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2023 09:48 PM
I shot one on Labor Day.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:50 PM (NxC5+)

315 I'm down to six keepers in the armory, being in my golden years. This doesn't include project cheapo guns that I resurrect in case somebody needs one. Saying that, one of the dealers in state has a Sig P210 up for sale, I can afford it, but I just can't bring myself to just call them up, drive to Little Rock and get it. Always wanted one.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:51 PM (0EOe9)

316 Congrats on 5 years, Weasel.

5 years ago owning a gun was still unthinkable to me.

Thanks everybody for putting me some knowledge every week.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 17, 2023 09:51 PM (aBJcM)

317 Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:49 PM (5jVrT)

Dang. So much more still to learn.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:51 PM (M+Nrs)

318 Posted by: screaming in digital at September 17, 2023 09:51 PM (aBJcM)

Glad to have you in this scary (if you're a target) little crew!

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 09:52 PM (M+Nrs)

319 Colt continued to hand-fit and polish its Python revolvers (a production gun) until production ceased in 2005. The hand-fit era isn't as far behind us as it might seem.
Posted by: Ed L

If you ever get into actually restoring them, often you have to hand fit a lot of even a plain jane SMLE if you have to retrofit new parts. Same for the early Ruger Security revolver series or even some parts for the GP 100. AR's often benefit from this as well on things like disconnectors, and so on.

MIM parts introduced a new need for handfitting and polishing if you want premium performance.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:53 PM (5jVrT)

320 316 Congrats on 5 years, Weasel.

5 years ago owning a gun was still unthinkable to me.

Thanks everybody for putting me some knowledge every week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at September 17, 2023 09:51 PM (aBJcM)

Same here, SiD. 2020 changed my worldview ... a lot.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 09:54 PM (W5rDF)

321 Dang. So much more still to learn.
Posted by: GWB
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I started rebuilding/restoring because whole gun prices started spiking and I needed a hobby as I was having a series of operations on my leg at the time. Started handloading in earnest due to 9/11 etc. spiking prices of revolver ammo.

Guns are relatively simple creatures compared with an internal combustion engine.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:55 PM (5jVrT)

322 Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:53 PM (5jVrT)

It sounds like "The era of hand fitting is dead. Long live hand fitting!" Interesting that it's moved from new production firearms to refurbished and restored ones today.

Posted by: Ed L at September 17, 2023 09:56 PM (yRXSd)

323 GWB, still having a problem with your Lee Enfield on feeding?

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:56 PM (5jVrT)

324 Same here, SiD. 2020 changed my worldview ... a lot.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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*fistbump*

bought my P365 December 1, 2020...

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 17, 2023 09:57 PM (aBJcM)

325 Seems somewhat gun related. The government has lost an F-35 and would like your help finding it.

@TeamCharleston

We’re working with @MCASBeaufortSC to locate an F-35 that was involved in a mishap this afternoon. The pilot ejected safely. If you have any information that may help our recovery teams locate the F-35, please call the Base Defense Operations Center at 843-963-3600.

Oopsie

Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2023 09:57 PM (ZLI7S)

326 Can you imagine the hand fitting in PO8 Luger production in the early days?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 17, 2023 09:45 PM (0EOe9)

Had a friend a few years ago who got divorced from his woman who then sold off his collection of 13 Lugers for cheap. He was a retired steel worker and a tough hombre who had collected them since he was a young fella but he was around 80 last time I saw him. When I told him the average going price for a ww1 or earlier Luger was, he said I was full of shit.

I pulled up some recent auctions on them and he almost started to cry like a little baby.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2023 09:57 PM (R/m4+)

327 Guns are relatively simple creatures compared with an internal combustion engine.
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:55 PM
I envision myself on a mountain bike with an AK strapped om my back and a G17 on my hip.

Posted by: Eromero at September 17, 2023 09:58 PM (NxC5+)

328 It sounds like "The era of hand fitting is dead. Long live hand fitting!" Interesting that it's moved from new production firearms to refurbished and restored ones today.
Posted by: Ed L

With the disappearance of a lot of tool and die experience, the mass era of hand fitting is gone. As you said though, to keep the old guns going, you have to hand fit them nowadays in order to fix them to shoot.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:58 PM (5jVrT)

329 'night, y'all. Have to be up early for a scary meeting in Columbia tomorrow.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 17, 2023 09:59 PM (aBJcM)

330 Back then, it was confusion. The way things are going, it will soon be the standard.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Ugh, I am afraid you are correct?

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:59 PM (5jVrT)

331 I envision myself on a mountain bike with an AK strapped om my back and a G17 on my hip.
Posted by: Eromero
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Ever see a cheesy old movie called Damnation Alley? I think it ended up close to that at the end of it.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 10:00 PM (5jVrT)

332 329 'night, y'all. Have to be up early for a scary meeting in Columbia tomorrow.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Stay safe. Heard it is getting a little rough there in Columbia nowadays.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 10:01 PM (5jVrT)

333 I'm old enough to remember when losing a jet would've been a pretty embarrassing moment. Definitely not something to talk about on social media.

Posted by: Defenestration Expert Moron Robbie at September 17, 2023 10:01 PM (+MSSo)

334 NOOD ONT

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 17, 2023 10:02 PM (/HDaX)

335 ONT is up

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 17, 2023 10:03 PM (W5rDF)

336 Goodnight folks.

Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 10:04 PM (5jVrT)

337 GWB, still having a problem with your Lee Enfield on feeding?
Posted by: whig at September 17, 2023 09:56 PM (5jVrT)

Nooded, but yes. I think I need to look at magazine springs.

Posted by: GWB at September 17, 2023 10:12 PM (M+Nrs)

338 Crap.
Late to the party and all that is left is a piece of cake with wierd frosting and two cig butts stuck in it.... And some warm Bud Lite cans in a cooler.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 18, 2023 12:17 AM (ga8qR)

339 The F-35 is a boondoggle much like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

Design-by-committee has never worked and what you end up with is a government mule.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 18, 2023 12:38 AM (KVGVf)

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