THE MORNING RANT – Update on the Electric Vehicle Follies (9/11/2023)

The left hasn’t killed off gasoline-powered cars yet, but they’re no longer even hiding the fact that their goal isn’t actually to move us from internal combustion (or “ICE” vehicles to electric vehicles, their goal is to deny us car-ownership altogether.

“Pete Buttigieg Wants You to Stop Driving Cars” [Townhall – 9/03/2023]

The following opinion piece was in newspapers all over the country last week, making the point explicitly clear, “The problem isn't cars with internal combustion engines; the problem is cars.”

“Opinion: The real problem with all-electric cars” [John Crisp - Tribune Content Agency – 9/03/2023]

Here's the real problem with all-electric cars: They lull us into believing that we can solve the climate crisis without significantly modifying the way we live. The problem isn't cars with internal combustion engines; the problem is cars.
The fact is, our headlong descent into climate chaos is very, very likely to continue and accelerate unless we change fundamentally the way we live, which probably means fewer cars, smaller homes, much less air travel, less red meat and, frankly, less comfort and convenience.

”…less comfort and convenience.”

Believe them when they tell you who they are and what their agenda is. They want you to suffer a significant reduction in your freedom and your standard of living. Abolishing ICE cars for EVs is just a way station toward that destination.

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Some good news is that EVs seem to have found their maximum market share, even with the ridiculous government incentives and rebates. Dealers have an abundance of EVs but customers won’t buy them.

“EVs are running out of customers — and some dealers don't want them anymore” [Business Insider – 8/23/2023]

More electric vehicles are being pumped out of car factories than ever before — but some dealers don't want them.
Electric-car inventory has been piling up on dealership lots this year as companies up their EV production, leading some dealers to say enough is enough. Some are telling automakers they don't want any more until they can sell what's sitting, several dealers told Insider.

Historically, a 60-day supply of new cars on dealers’ lots was considered ideal. Current EV inventory on dealers’ lots is much higher, and manufacturers are still ramping up production.

Car shoppers can find plenty of electric options on dealership lots — while there was about 54 days' supply of vehicle inventory overall at dealerships earlier this summer, EV inventory was nearly double that.

Other than Tesla, consumers are assertively rejecting EVs, which are simply a luxury/boutique/niche product. People buy mass-market products like Ford and Toyota for various practical and functional needs, but not because they are in the market for a boutique product. If consumers want a “look-at-my-hood-ornament” car they will buy a luxury brand, which includes Tesla.

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I don’t try to be fair in my criticism of EVs, because the EV enthusiasts who are trying to ban ICE vehicles have no interest in being fair to people like me.

That said, a gentleman named Patrick Butler, who is a two-time Tesla owner, offered up some pros and cons of Tesla ownership. One of the cons is new to me, but it seems pretty significant. But before I get to that problem, I’ll acknowledge that he had strong praise for Tesla’s speed, comfort, auto-pilot, and insurance program.

THE TRUTH ABOUT TESLA OWNERSHIP

I am coming up on the end of my 2nd Tesla lease and I’m debating if I should re-up or go back to an ICE vehicle.

Here are the honest pros and cons of driving a Tesla:

PROS

- Speed:
Extremely fast acceleration is the best thing about an…
— Patrick Butler (@PatrickButler00) July 19, 2023

But here is the really significant problem with EVs that I had not pondered before - the battery will drain itself of charge when left parked for a couple weeks.

IDLE CHARGE TIME: The world is not ready for EVs and idle charge time is the main reason why. With an ICE vehicle, you can park the car, leave it for a month or two and when you return, the car will start. With a Tesla, after a month or even a few weeks it will be a hunk of useless metal. As someone who travels a lot without a home charger, I frequently have to have someone babysit my car to ensure it doesn’t die and damage the battery.

The demographic that favors EVs (usually as a second car) is also the demographic that takes extended jaunts to Europe, Vail, etc. A dead EV awaits them when they return if they don’t have a babysitter keeping it charged.

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One thing that Tesla gets lots of praise for is its charger network, allowing virtuous EV owners to drive “carbon free,” even between cities.

But are diesel generators that are used to provide electricity to charging stations “carbon-free”?

“Tesla’s Dirty Little Secret on California’s I-5” [SF Gate – 9/03/0223]

Instead, the company was running diesel generators to power additional Superchargers (the kind that take 30 to 60 minutes to recharge a battery) to handle the holiday rush, their exhaust mingling with the unmistakable smell of bulls—t.

The fact that a small diesel plant was helping power the additional chargers…

The electricity that powers EVs is overwhelmingly generated by fossil fuels, no matter where you charge an EV. The “carbon-free” charade about electric vehicles is tiresome and fraudulent.

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Still speaking of Tesla…

“Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints” [Reuters – 7/27/2023]

About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments.

To be fair, the miles per gallon information on the window stickers of ICE vehicles is also inflated and not realistic. But - if I’m driving, let’s say between Nashville and Atlanta, and I’m expecting to make it on one tank of gas, I don’t risk getting stranded if actual mpg is less than advertised, because there are gas stations at every exit where I can fill up again in a matter of minutes. However, if I’m expecting to make that same 250 mile drive on a fully charged EV, I’m going to have a big problem on a hot summer day. I’ll have to seek out a place to stop for an hour or so to recharge somewhere in northwest Georgia, after I turn off the AC and literally sweat out the declining range.

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It’s often been pointed out that EVs are a poor option in Florida and other places prone to being hit by hurricanes, because an EV is a terrible vehicle to use for evacuating (for all the normal reasons about lack of chargers, the time it takes to charge, the perils of running out of charge on the highway, etc.)

But you also better be careful about leaving your EV behind when a hurricane hits…

There it is again…more EV fires. These things are just looking for a reason to combust. Is there any other consumer product that is more dangerously fragile than an EV and its battery?

“As Hurricane Idalia caused flooding, some electric vehicles exposed to saltwater caught fire” [CBS – 9/01/2023]

Floridians battered by Hurricane Idalia this week may not have expected another threat — that floodwaters could cause their cars to suddenly burst into flames.
Yet that's exactly what happened when two electric vehicles caught fire after being submerged in saltwater churned up by the storm. Firefighters in Palm Harbor, Florida, cited the incidents, both of which involved Teslas, in warning owners that their rechargeable car batteries could combust if exposed to saltwater.

Suffering water damage to your car and home from a tropical storm surge would be really bad. Having your house then burn down because your EV produced a thermal runaway fire would be just awful.

"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay," the department said in a Facebook post. "Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground."

When do insurance companies stop insuring homes when EVs are parked in the garage?

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As noted at the top of this post, the real goal of the “electric vehicle transition” is not to replace your ICE car with an EV. Instead the goal is to eliminate car ownership, along with all the activities in your life that require a car.

In a post at American Thinker, John F. Di Leo, points out that eliminating gasoline powered cars also means eliminating day trips and weekend getaways, because you cannot re-charge your EV while parked at a sporting event, or at a campground, or at a festival, or at an out of town hotel, or even at your relative’s house in another city, especially if everyone is driving EVs and also needs to re-charge their vehicles while parked.

He points out that these are not shortcomings with EVs, rather the purpose is to deny you the pleasures in life that you don’t need.

”Those EV Shortcomings Aren’t Shortcomings at All” [John F. Di Leo – American Thinker – 8/13/2023]

There is an answer to all this. Don’t worry. They haven’t forgotten all these things. The elites who advocate the sole production of EVs have an answer for this: You just won’t be able to do these things anymore. That’s all.
They don’t believe you need to do these things. They want you to watch your entertainment on your smart TV or your laptop, on your streaming service, from the comfort of your apartment. If you want to attend a live performance, you can take public transportation to the nearest official venue…
You don’t need to go visit a river or lake, or travel to explore American heritage through Civil War or Revolutionary War sites. You don’t need fishing trips, hunting trips, road trips for baseball or football, college tours, family bonding drives.
Stay home. Stay safe. Stay still. Stay where we can watch you.
The conclusion is inescapable: In the final analysis, the EV pushers don’t see any gaps or contradictions. All the needs you have that EVs simply don’t meet, can’t meet, will never meet – well, these aren’t really needs at all.

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I’ve publicly stated that I’m for DeSantis because of his solid record of supporting liberty – especially during Covid - and for using his executive power to actually win battles against the left in the culture war, but if we end up with Trump being the nominee again, this certainly heartens me:

Former President Trump vows to end "madness" of electric vehicles push https://t.co/JwIs5MGaI5 pic.twitter.com/eh4iA2LPt6
— The Hill (@thehill) September 5, 2023

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Finally, let’s wrap up by checking in on what’s going on with EV startups. Those that haven’t already failed are rapidly heading toward insolvency, so it appears their CEOs are now looting their companies before it’s too late.

“Lucid CEO’s $379 million annual pay draws criticism from billionaire Elon Musk: ‘Beware any company where leadership compensation is not linked to performance’” [Fortune – 9/05/2023]

Rawlinson received a $379 million compensation package in 2022 for his role at the luxury EV maker Lucid, including a $575,000 base salary, $5.5 million of stock options, and an incredible $373 million in stock awards, according to a new CEO compensation survey from Automotive News and Equilar.
Rawlinson’s total compensation in 2022 was 11 times greater than the $34 million earned by the second-highest-paid automotive CEO, GM’s Mary Barra, and 21 times greater than the $18.3 million Ford CEO Jim Farley made.

To be fair, CEOs Mary Barra (GM) and Jim Farley (Ford) are aggressively destroying their companies too in pursuit of the EV fantasy, so their compensation is also preposterous, even if it is just a fraction of Rawlinson’s.

So Lucid must be making good money, right?

“EV startup Lucid is losing over $500,000 for every car it sells” [Business Insider – 8/08/2023]

The company posted $150.9 million in revenue from the 1,404 vehicles it sold in the three-month period. Coupled with a net loss of roughly $764 million, the results suggest a loss of more than $500,000 per vehicle.

How about Rivian?

“Rivian CEO to get pay raise of more than 50% to $1 million, plus about $15 million in stock”

Rivian lost $6.8 billion in 2022, and has lost another $2.5 billion in the first half of 2023.

For those of you who argue that these stock awards are different than monetary compensation, they’re even worse in my book. These stock awards are equity owned by shareholders that was taken from those shareholders and redistributed to the CEO. I guess you could say that rather than looting the company, the CEOs of these failing EV companies are actually looting the stockholders.

But then again, why shouldn’t they take money from the stockholders? There seems to be an endless appetite from “investors” to lose money gambling on dead-end EV startups.

A Vietnamese EV startup just had its US operations go public, and the company quickly soared to a valuation exceeding that of Ford and GM, despite having only sold a very few cars…to awful reviews.

“This Vietnamese automaker is worth more than Ford and GM. But it hasn’t sold many cars” [CNN – 8/17/2023]

But VinFast’s bold entry into the US hasn’t been smooth. For one thing, when critics got the chance to drive the company’s first US-bound product, the VF8 electric SUV, the resulting reviews weren’t what any automaker would hope for.
Several of the headlines were particularly blunt. “Simply unacceptable,” read a headline from Road & Track. ”Yikes,” said a headline from InsideEVs. “Return to sender,” wrote MotorTrend atop its review of the EV.
“The ride was really stiff, the quality of materials inside the car was very bad. There were panel gaps that were mismatching. There were creaks that we heard from the windshield,” said Miguel Cortina, an editor with MotorTrend. “A lot of issues in the quality of the car, in the way that it drove.”

An EV investor and his money are soon parted. If I had less integrity, I would go public with a shell company and a business plan for an electric vehicle start-up company.

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(h/t – Mr. CBD for the images in this post)

Have a great week driving your gasoline-powered car, wherever you want to go, and as far as you want to drive it in this great land.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 1?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:01 AM (xTRSc)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:01 AM (tjClK)

3 BOLD, Buck.

Very bold.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:01 AM (tjClK)

4 Take freedom of movement and you take freedom.

Fuck these modern wannabe Diocletians.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:02 AM (zZu0s)

5 The fact is, our headlong descent into climate chaos is very, very likely to continue and accelerate unless we change fundamentally the way we live, which probably means fewer cars, smaller homes, much less air travel, less red meat and, frankly, less comfort and convenience.

Now hear this.

FUCK. YOU.

You first, asshole. then I won't consider it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:02 AM (tjClK)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 11, 2023 11:03 AM (ENBF0)

7 he problem isn't cars with internal combustion engines; the problem is cars.

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The problem isn't really cars, it is your ownership of cars.

The problem isn't really your ownership of cars, it is your use of cars.

The problem isn't really your use of cars, it is you.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:03 AM (sX1BW)

8 Sorry, Buck, I cannot let this one go:
465 >>I don’t know about the puppy mills, but I believe most work horses love to work and wouldn’t be happy put out to pasture.

I prefer horses after they have been rendered into dog food and glue.
Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2023 11:02 AM (D1vg3)

So, you're a fan of Taco Bell?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:04 AM (zZu0s)

9 I like happy stories

Posted by: Skip at September 11, 2023 11:04 AM (EvcHo)

10 The fact is, our headlong descent into climate chaos is very, very likely to continue and accelerate unless we change fundamentally the way we live, which probably means fewer cars, smaller homes, much less air travel, less red meat and, frankly, less comfort and convenience.
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Fuck you.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:04 AM (t0OGg)

11 Pete Buttabuddy Czar of Gheyness

Posted by: Skip at September 11, 2023 11:05 AM (EvcHo)

12 OT but is anyone else hoping a hellfire hits the Nork party train? Why wouldnt we?

Posted by: Eli Cash at September 11, 2023 11:06 AM (lvw7n)

13 In before the EV fetishist shows up!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 11:06 AM (0FoWg)

14 Car shoppers can find plenty of electric options on dealership lots — while there was about 54 days' supply of vehicle inventory overall at dealerships earlier this summer, EV inventory was nearly double that.
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And yet, there are no deals to be found, nothing under MSRP, no room for negotiation, etc.

One local car dealer advertises - they make a big deal out of it - that you will pay MSRP instead more than MSRP like all the other dealers.

The whole automobile market is screwy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

15 The desire is compliancy.

15 minute cities. EV's with limited range, or public transportation with specific destinations and schedules as your only modes of travel.

The mobility of the public is a problem for a government hell bent on subjugating it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 11, 2023 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)

16 Thanks Buck

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:06 AM (xcxpd)

17 Just the fact that people have to argue whether the EV's are pieces of overpriced, overhyped and undependable crap or not shows that they are, in fact, pieces of overpriced, overhyped, undependable crap.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (xsBhv)

18 So, the rhetoric around climate change has been amped up this year, most likely trying to take advantage of "public health" avenues that covid opened for them while also trying to galvanize the public into supporting the measures at large enough levels to enforce societal change.

And yet, cities aren't sinking into the ocean. Miami still stands. Martha's Vineyard is still filled with rich people.

Covid was up close and personal fear. Climate change is more abstract, and they've been at it for literally decades. Remember The Day After Tomorrow? The disaster movie about how climate change was going to lead to massive weather changes including the freezing of most of the northern hemisphere? It was 20 years ago. So was An Inconvenient Truth.

I really don't see it working.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

19 It's like Shakespeare said, "EV or not EV, that is the question."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (FVME7)

20 I wouldn't crawl over broken glass to vote for any politician who pledged and had a plan to get rid of CAFE standards, but I would surely go get myself a shovel and broom to clear a way for me to walk.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (xhaym)

21 Rawlinson’s total compensation in 2022 was 11 times greater than the $34 million earned by the second-highest-paid automotive CEO, GM’s Mary Barra, and 21 times greater than the $18.3 million Ford CEO Jim Farley made.

And all are grossly overpaid. If they had to pay stockholders back from their own assets when their decisions cost the company money, it would be different.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

22 deny you the pleasures in life

The wet dream of democrats.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (GF5oC)

23 5 You first, asshole. then I won't consider it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:02 AM (tjClK)

Same with all the people who demand population reduction.

"You First."

Posted by: XTC at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (UnA8+)

24 CBD rates a “Mr.” now?

Is he going to start demanding that we address him with “usted”?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (xTRSc)

25 The demographic that favors EVs (usually as a second car) is also the demographic that takes extended jaunts to Europe, Vail, etc. A dead EV awaits them when they return if they don’t have a babysitter keeping it charged.
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Or a home charger. How many EV owners don't have any kind of a charger - even a trickle/maintenance charger? Is it most of them?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (t0OGg)

26 The fact is, our headlong descent into climate chaos

They're right... There is climate chaos... And it's Man made too.... The Chaos part anyway....

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (bs+z0)

27 The dogs don't like the dog food!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (aD39U)

28 21 And all are grossly overpaid. If they had to pay stockholders back from their own assets when their decisions cost the company money, it would be different.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

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It's amazing what happens to incentives when the elite write their own little loopholes in the tax code.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

29 2 week problem? Just leave that shit plugged in in the garage. Wondering whether everything you own has been incinerated while your away will just extra spice to your vaycays. Is just stuff, stuff that's insured, right? I've been reliably informed that insurance makes fire loss no big deal.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (KFhLj)

30 My thoughts are this. Teslas are cool cars. Remote air condition start in Texas is a pretty cool feature. If I had unlimited funds, I'd probably own one. Credit to Elon Musk for getting the government to subsidize his company. I don't like it, but not his fault our government likes to pick winners and losers. So in a nut shell, I think Tesla is a very cool toy.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (sX1BW)

31 But are diesel generators that are used to provide electricity to charging stations “carbon-free”?
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No. But somehow, the car itself and its operations are still "carbon-free." Don't question it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)

32 I wonder what it must be like to be one of those many Tesla obsessives out there. Many Tesla owners are lefty kooks who practically worshipped Elon Musk as a living god, and then their savior came down to earth and destroyed their digital temple. It must have been distressing for them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (0FoWg)

33 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 38m
Unvaccinated tennis star Novak Djokovic game-winner at US Open ironically named ‘Moderna Shot of the Day’

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (krqg6)

34 I'm surprised how little the Rivian CEO is earning.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

35 There were two noxious EV commercials on during the games. One showed that EVs can use the HOV lanes cuz special or something while ICE vehicles were bumper to bumper. The other was Ford claiming they had the highest number of auto workers in America. No mention of Mexico was made.

Then there was the pathetic Bud Light commercial trying to swoon their scorned patrons cuz Foot Ball! I laughed too hard at that one and the wife became annoyed. There was a lengthy timeout called on that one.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (pLaQB)

36 24 CBD rates a “Mr.” now?

Is he going to start demanding that we address him with “usted”?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (xTRSc)

Better than:

Captain
Big
Dick

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (zZu0s)

37 31 But are diesel generators that are used to provide electricity to charging stations “carbon-free”?
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No. But somehow, the car itself and its operations are still "carbon-free." Don't question it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)

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If I had a Tesla, I'd want a bumper sticker that said something along the lines of "Nuclear Powered, well, about 52%. The rest is coal."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (LvTSG)

38 To be fair, the miles per gallon information on the window stickers of ICE vehicles is also inflated and not realistic. But - if I’m driving, let’s say between Nashville and Atlanta, and I’m expecting to make it on one tank of gas, I don’t risk getting stranded if actual mpg is less than advertised, because there are gas stations at every exit where I can fill up again in a matter of minutes. However, if I’m expecting to make that same 250 mile drive on a fully charged EV, I’m going to have a big problem on a hot summer day. I’ll have to seek out a place to stop for an hour or so to recharge somewhere in northwest Georgia, after I turn off the AC and literally sweat out the declining range.
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Believe it or not, the EPA range estimation system/equation is one of the better ones. It's actually *worse* - and often meaningfully worse - in various other countries. China is really bad - the numbers are more or less pure fiction.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (t0OGg)

39 34 I'm surprised how little the Rivian CEO is earning.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

Saw one of those the other day... That is a really ugly vehicle

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (bs+z0)

40 33 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 38m
Unvaccinated tennis star Novak Djokovic game-winner at US Open ironically named ‘Moderna Shot of the Day’
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (krqg6)

HAH!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (zZu0s)

41 God bless and long live petroleum, one of greatest discoveries and contributors to man-made security, progress, health, comfort and long-livedness in human history.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (DdVgN)

42 X user Patrick Butler's "pro" regarding Tesla's insurance being cheaper than other insurers... that could have something to do with the fact that just about any collision with more than fender/wing damage or a battery fire pretty much makes the car a total loss. Those insurance rates are at EVERYONE ELSE'S expense!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (pIx7m)

43 It’s often been pointed out that EVs are a poor option in Florida and other places prone to being hit by hurricanes, rain, snow, floods, cold, heat, inadequate electrical grids, high insurance rates, crowded garages, usw.

However, those of you in areas prone to locusts are still okay.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (I/Qkd)

44 32 I wonder what it must be like to be one of those many Tesla obsessives out there. Many Tesla owners are lefty kooks who practically worshipped Elon Musk as a living god, and then their savior came down to earth and destroyed their digital temple. It must have been distressing for them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (0FoWg)

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There were rumors that Tesla was going to lose its place on top of the EV pile, but the rest of the EV cars don't have the brand recognition and seem to be generally worse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (LvTSG)

45 5 The fact is, our headlong descent into climate chaos is very, very likely to continue and accelerate unless we change fundamentally the way we live, which probably means fewer cars, smaller homes, much less air travel, less red meat and, frankly, less comfort and convenience.

Now hear this.

FUCK. YOU.

You first, asshole. then I won't consider it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:02 AM (tjClK)

Threadwinner.

And threatwinner.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)

46 Saw one of those the other day... That is a really ugly vehicle
Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (bs+z0)

I think it all comes down to the headlights and front end. It's repulsive.

I miss 60's car design. Beautiful Italians. Sporty English. Grand American.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (zZu0s)

47 Family Calls Police on Energy Department Staffer as Jennifer Granholm’s EV Caravan Bogarts Charging Station During 4-Day Road Trip

The best part of the road trip? A family called the police on an Energy Department staffer who was so desperate to reserve a charging plug for Jennifer Granholm’s EV that he blocked the charging station with a gas-powered vehicle.

There was trouble in EV paradise as the caravan of electric vehicles began to run out of charge as they passed through a suburb of Augusta, Georgia.

Energy Department staffers pulled over to charge their fleet when they realized there weren’t enough available fast-charging plugs to juice up their vehicles.

One of the four chargers was broken and the other plugs were in use.

An Energy Department staffer was so desperate to reserve one of the fast-charging plugs for Granholm’s approaching EV that he boxed in a poor family – with a baby in the car – on a sweltering hot day – with his gas-powered vehicle.

The family was so angry that they called the police on Granholm’s staffer.

Posted by: SMOD at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (RHGPo)

48 In a post at American Thinker, John F. Di Leo, points out that eliminating gasoline powered cars also means eliminating day trips and weekend getaways, because you cannot re-charge your EV while parked at a sporting event, or at a campground, or at a festival, or at an out of town hotel, or even at your relative’s house in another city, especially if everyone is driving EVs and also needs to re-charge their vehicles while parked.
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It will be the end - the flat-out end - of massive numbers of recreational venues. The "weekend road trip" thing is a big thing. From the campsite out in the country to big - but distant - venues like Dollywood, they're all on the chopping block in the carless future.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)

49 Climate horseshit aside, EV's are great ideas for a very specific and particular set of uses. If you do a lot of short range driving in moderate climate and can afford to own different cars for every other purpose, then an EV is a fun option. Quick as heck, comfortable, stylish, and difficult to steal.

Every other thing you need a vehicle for requires an ICE car, or a hybrid.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:11 AM (P5xEc)

50 41 God bless and long live petroleum, one of greatest discoveries and contributors to man-made security, progress, health, comfort and long-livedness in human history.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (DdVgN)

Yes... God wouldn't have made it if he didn't want us to use it

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (bs+z0)

51 Meanwhile, in Canada . . .

https://tinyurl.com/yfdzpzhy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (FVME7)

52 Not only are Rivian's piles of shit, they're f*cking hideous.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (tjClK)

53 They don’t believe you need to do these things. They want you to watch your entertainment on your smart TV or your laptop, on your streaming service, from the comfort of your apartment. If you want to attend a live performance, you can take public transportation to the nearest official venue…

You don’t need to go visit a river or lake, or travel to explore American heritage through Civil War or Revolutionary War sites. You don’t need fishing trips, hunting trips, road trips for baseball or football, college tours, family bonding drives.
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Yup. As long as they get to prescribe your needs, they also get to proscribe your behavior.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)

54 Desantis...ha ha

Posted by: DOYLE at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (Z8Yh2)

55 Battery powered Ev's will never become practical. You cannot change the laws of thermodynamics regarding batteries.

Now, powering cars with a "Mr. Fusion", that's something I'd buy.

Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (gmo/4)

56 Speaking of...

@scottlincicome22h
Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP:

TL

R - her staffers fucked up a scheduled stop, blocked a charging lane with a gas-car, and oddly didn't publicize the whole cluster-f.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (IG4Id)

57 Former President Trump vows to end "madness" of electric vehicles push
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Now do ethanol in gasoline.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (ScR16)

58 That's a good point about how EVs will lose charge over time.

We had an open forum last week at the university where I work to discuss a policy about personalized electric-powered vehicles. Both the chief of university police and the director of facilities flatly refused to allow scooters and whatnot in university buildings. Period.

Students want to charge them in their dorm rooms, but the risk of fire is just too great. It's a major safety and liability issue.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (YIVH2)

59 39

Saw one of those the other day... That is a really ugly vehicle
Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (bs+z0)
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Not as ugly as the Tesla Cybertruck. I saw 2 Rivians up close while visiting Nantucket recently.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (pIx7m)

60 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 38m
Unvaccinated tennis star Novak Djokovic game-winner at US Open ironically named ‘Moderna Shot of the Day’
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (krqg6)

WINNING!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (tjClK)

61 I'm surprised how little the Rivian CEO is earning.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

Saw one of those the other day... That is a really ugly vehicle

That's part of the kink. Everyone will know how virtuous you are because you drive such an outstandingly ugly vehicle to save Gaia.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (I/Qkd)

62 If there was an opposition party they'd be banning EVs in every state where they control the state government.

But...there isn't.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (XqcwY)

63 An EV sedan outweighs a full size SUV, due to battery weight. Think of what this means in an accident. An EV hits a sedan like a bullet.

Also, due to this weight, an EV gets about 18-20,000 miles out of a set of tires. Doesn't sound too eco-friendly.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (lTGtQ)

64 There were rumors that Tesla was going to lose its place on top of the EV pile, but the rest of the EV cars don't have the brand recognition and seem to be generally worse.

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The thing about a Tesla is it is a really cool luxury product. The hybrids that came before it were shitty. Other EVs are shitty. Tesla thrived, not because it was an EV, but because it was a luxurious EV.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (sX1BW)

65 At this point, mass market EVs are faggy and their shit is retarded.

They are a tool of the godless commies right now.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (ufFY8)

66 57 Former President Trump vows to end "madness" of electric vehicles push
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Now do ethanol in gasoline.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (ScR16)

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Ted Cruz won the Iowa caucuses in 2016 after promising to end ethanol subsidies.

The Republican Party is enthralled to ethanol because they choose to be, not because of some kind of mandate in Iowa, a state the honestly doesn't even matter when it comes to presidential politics.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

67 Diesel and gas took a 50 cent jump in one day here

Posted by: Ben Had at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (JHH2u)

68 ------------
Now do ethanol in gasoline.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 11, 2023 11:12 AM (ScR16)

Another load of shit foisted upon us by the Bush cartel.

But vote for DeSantis. The Bush's like him.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (tjClK)

69 One other con in the ev decision is that you will become a sanctimonious virtue signaling ahole. So bad you'd be akin to a die hard bicyclist.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (/7iym)

70 God bless and long live petroleum, one of greatest discoveries and contributors to man-made security, progress, health, comfort and long-livedness in human history.
Posted by: Ordinary American

My 4Runner is proudly dead dinosaur powered!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (FVME7)

71 A Rivian, for those who might not have seen one in person:

https://tinyurl.com/3erv75et

They are just... the opposite of attractive. Hell, even modern shit is better than that.

I think they are going for the performative atheist/vegan/crossfit market. LOOK AT ME!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (zZu0s)

72 Diesel and gas took a 50 cent jump in one day here
Posted by: Ben Had at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (JHH2u)

F*ck Joe Biden.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (tjClK)

73 I had been noticing a building (previously a Toys-R-Us) in King of Prussia PA was being readied for an EV company, LUCID.
Then LUCID took a stock hit and the name was removed from the building.

Posted by: SMOD at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (RHGPo)

74 A Vietnamese EV startup just had its US operations go public, and the company quickly soared to a valuation exceeding that of Ford and GM, despite having only sold a very few cars…to awful reviews.
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Typical unicorn shit. The decline should be spectacular.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)

75 I bought a Chevy Bolt a couple weeks ago to replace my Prius that died after 260,000 miles. So far, so good. It's actually replaced my wife's car, as she drives more than me throughout the day (kids to school, activities, etc), so the more limited range is fine, because it can charge at home between trips.

One of Chevy's incentives is they'll install the higher capacity charger at your home for free, which is a nice thing not to have to worry about. Living in Iowa, there are all sorts of renewable incentives, and our home is 100% electric, so we already had solar panels put in to offset our high electric bill, so this is another overall cost-savings for us. (and yes, despite Republican governors and ethanol, Iowa has gone wind power crazy, and leads the nation in wind power generated per capita)

I think we're getting 3 miles per KW/hr (if that's how it's measured?) in the thing, and with our solar/electric rates, that comes to about a third of what it cost to drive the Prius around, which was already pretty efficient.

Now, here's to hoping it catches fire in my garage, so I can collect sweet, sweet insurance and lawsuit money...

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (JCZqz)

76 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 2h
JUST IN - Electric vehicle leasing group Onto, which raised hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and equity financing, has crashed into administration — Sky News

Tesla Wizard 𝕏 @teslawizardx 2h Replying to @disclosetv
Going into administration means that it is under a process that occurs when a company is facing financial difficulties and can no longer pay its debts. In this situation, the company's directors appoint an insolvency practitioner, known as an administrator, to manage the company and its finances.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (krqg6)

77 the problem isn't cars with internal combustion engines; the problem is cars.

Freedom is the problem.

Posted by: t-bird at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (amJF4)

78 An EV sedan outweighs a full size SUV, due to battery weight. Think of what this means in an accident. An EV hits a sedan like a bullet.

Also, due to this weight, an EV gets about 18-20,000 miles out of a set of tires. Doesn't sound too eco-friendly.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

Wait until you park them in a public garage that wasn't built for that kind of weight.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (SEDrX)

79
I have a 2048 watt battery for home backup power purposes. Yes, it will lose charge over time. It also has a 'Goldilocks' issue - too hot, the electrons disappear, too cold they disappear, too.

Perfect temperature for batteries and EV's might be in a place like southern California - around 70 degrees. Outside of that - which is pretty much the rest of the country - range is gonna be a lot less.

EV's are niche vehicles, which I have no problem with someone buying if they have 'informed consent' to know the truth. Since politicians aren't in the truth business it's gonna take a buncha angry consumers badmouthing their EV's to get the word out.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (enJYY)

80 The Fisker, by contrast, is a sharp looking car. Has a kind of Clark Gable mustache thing going on:

https://tinyurl.com/3tscneax

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (zZu0s)

81 “The ride was really stiff, the quality of materials inside the car was very bad. There were panel gaps that were mismatching. There were creaks that we heard from the windshield,” said Miguel Cortina, an editor with MotorTrend. “A lot of issues in the quality of the car, in the way that it drove.”
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Panel gap problems? We sure this isn't about a Tesla?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)

82 Climate horseshit aside, EV's are great ideas for a very specific and particular set of uses. If you do a lot of short range driving in moderate climate and can afford to own different cars for every other purpose, then an EV is a fun option. Quick as heck, comfortable, stylish, and difficult to steal.

Every other thing you need a vehicle for requires an ICE car, or a hybrid.

Posted by: Huck Follywood

As long as everybody works from home and lives in a 15 minute city, you won't even need a vehicle at all. Even manufacturing workers. This is the brilliance of our ruling class.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (lTGtQ)

83 Climate horseshit aside, EV's are great ideas for a very specific and particular set of uses. If you do a lot of short range driving in moderate climate and can afford to own different cars for every other purpose, then an EV is a fun option.

You're describing a golf cart.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (I/Qkd)

84 Hey, Fen, about my potential new church — yes, it does have a choir. However, they didn’t sing yesterday, so I couldn’t evaluate them. I did meet the choir director, though. I will probably end up joining the choir.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (xTRSc)

85 Nice start to the day Buck.
Thanxs.

"Here's the real problem with all-electric cars: They lull us into believing that we can solve the climate crisis."
Hey libs. News flash. There is no crisis. None. Nada. Zip.
Ya wanna talk pollution? I'm here all day. But climate? That's just a ruse to grab more taxes.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (uSHSS)

86 Next-door to my office is a block of very high-end flats (upper six-figures), and there's a dude who drives a Rivian "truck." Ass-ugly piece of crap, what with the Little Orphan Annie headlights.

I've driven two Prius rentals, and I was fine with them. Good gas mileage, some power when driving uphill. I enjoyed seeing the gas mileage indicator go from 80 to 20 when accelerating.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Exactly Streets Ahead at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (T/Lqj)

87
The Republican Party is enthralled to ethanol because they choose to be, not because of some kind of mandate in Iowa, a state the honestly doesn't even matter when it comes to presidential politics.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

There are 3 types of corn, I learned not long ago. Feed corn, food corn, then fuel corn.

The FDA can come onto any farm growing corn at any time and magically declare corn being grown can only be used for fuel, regardless of type.

It's bullshit. The government is drunk on power. Period.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (tjClK)

88 57 Former President Trump vows to end "madness" of electric vehicles push
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Now do ethanol in gasoline.
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Iowa is kind of important in winning the WH.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (pLaQB)

89 An EV investor and his money are soon parted. If I had less integrity, I would go public with a shell company and a business plan for an electric vehicle start-up company.
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Sucker. Even a fake EV company requires a fair amount of capital.

If you want to capitalize on a mania, start a fake AI company.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)

90 Diesel and gas took a 50 cent jump in one day here
Posted by: Ben Had at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (JHH2u)

I don't think there is enough left in the SPR to keep gasoline prices down until Election Day

Posted by: SMOD at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (RHGPo)

91 So in a nut shell, I think Tesla is a very cool toy.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (sX1BW)

Best way to describe it. A T-bucket hot rod with a blown 454 in it is a cool toy, too. And neither is practical as one's sole means of transportation.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (fape4)

92 only 5 comments and we got a threadwinner!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (YNbPJ)

93 The Fisker, by contrast, is a sharp looking car. Has a kind of Clark Gable mustache thing going on:

https://tinyurl.com/3tscneax
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (zZu0s)

A fisking is what you get when buying one.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (tjClK)

94 The other advantage of an EV is mechanical simplicity, referring to the hardware itself (and ignoring the crazily complex software). Of course, the batteries are a huge exception to that statement: they are made using toxic materials, ignite way too easily, and are unreliable. Not to forget, some minerals used to make them are mined by slave child labor.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (6Xrsx)

95 Former President Trump vows to end "madness" of electric vehicles push
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Now do ethanol in gasoline.

Such a move would go a long way towards convincing me to support him. Every candidate should do it, but as long as Iowa is FITN, it won't happen.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (I/Qkd)

96 64

The thing about a Tesla is it is a really cool luxury product. The hybrids that came before it were shitty. Other EVs are shitty. Tesla thrived, not because it was an EV, but because it was a luxurious EV.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (sX1BW)

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Is that you Trump?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (pIx7m)

97

Single, degreed white women are going to be shocked that everybody must have "less comfort and convenience.”

(except for POC and illegal immigrants. Their aspiration for a better life must be met at everybody else's expense)

Posted by: Ripley at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (JojsZ)

98 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (T4tVD)

99 Wait until you park them in a public garage that wasn't built for that kind of weight.
Posted by: rickb223

Some were speculating that that NYC parking building collapsed because of this. Not sure if there was any follow-up on that event or not.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (IG4Id)

100 My inner college student will occasionally rear her head and think. But why do people even want 4K sq foot houses, it is crazy? But as crazy horse lady the commies would love to force me into a tiny apartment and have my horses slaughtered. Driving them around to play with them, all that fossil fuel feeding them etc etc. So I refrain from throwing stones at people who want to live in a mcMansion.

Posted by: PaleRider at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (3cGpq)

101 Please tell these Gaia Freaks that when the Sun blinks out it will be very cold and dark on earf and all of biology will be dead.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (pLaQB)

102 Hey libs. News flash. There is no crisis. None. Nada. Zip.
Ya wanna talk pollution? I'm here all day. But climate? That's just a ruse to grab more taxes.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (uSHSS)

"Thou shalt not worship false gods....."

- - - - God

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (tjClK)

103 You're describing a golf cart.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (I/Qkd)

The plague of my town. The entire city center had the speed limit dropped from 35 mph to 25 to accommodate them.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (aD39U)

104 " A dead EV awaits them when they return if they don’t have a babysitter keeping it charged."

it sure seems any "Smart" charger would keep the proper charge (trickle after fully charged) if the car was home and plugged in. But there is always that fire hazard.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (Cus5s)

105 A whole EV thread without mentioning the Energy Secretary's bungled "EVs Are Wonduhful" tour?

https://is.gd/sdJUkU

Granholm's entourage at times had to grapple with the limitations of the present. Like when her caravan of EVs — including a luxury Cadillac Lyriq, a hefty Ford F-150 and an affordable Bolt electric utility vehicle — was planning to fast-charge in Grovetown, a suburb of Augusta, Georgia.

Her advance team realized there weren't going to be enough plugs to go around. One of the station's four chargers was broken, and others were occupied. So an Energy Department staffer tried parking a nonelectric vehicle by one of those working chargers to reserve a spot for the approaching secretary of energy.

That did not go down well: a regular gas-powered car blocking the only free spot for a charger?

In fact, a family that was boxed out — on a sweltering day, with a baby in the vehicle — was so upset they decided to get the authorities involved: They called the police.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (9yUzE)

106 You're describing a golf cart.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (I/Qkd)
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In a retirement village.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (6Xrsx)

107 @93 And Fisker is heavily subsided by your money (US govt subsidies).

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (pIx7m)

108 I'm surprised how little the Rivian CEO is earning.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

I didn't realize Geralt was making shitty cars instead of fucking Yennefer's brains out.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (ufFY8)

109
The thing about a Tesla is it is a really cool luxury product. The hybrids that came before it were shitty. Other EVs are shitty. Tesla thrived, not because it was an EV, but because it was a luxurious EV.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (sX1BW)

Tesla thrived because a fool and his money are soon parted.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (tjClK)

110 "subsidized"

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (pIx7m)

111 But vote for DeSantis. The Bush's like him.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Oh, give it a rest.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (I/Qkd)

112 Hey, Fen, about my potential new church — yes, it does have a choir. However, they didn’t sing yesterday, so I couldn’t evaluate them. I did meet the choir director, though. I will probably end up joining the choir.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Guess ya didn't do your Yoko impersonation.

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2023 11:20 AM (T4tVD)

113 Zelensky is now threatening Europe if his aid is cut.

In an interview with the Economist:

A reduction in Western aid to Ukraine may cause an unpredictable reaction from millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries, Zelensky said.

According to him, Ukrainians in general “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. But it wouldn't be a "good story" for Europe if it "backed these people into a corner."

I wonder what the Z-Man has in mind, exactly?

There have been a flurry of high-level visits to Keeeev all of a sudden - Blinken, Nuland, Boris Johnson, and today German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock showed up unexpectedly.

Something's up.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:20 AM (2tUFv)

114 Also, due to this weight, an EV gets about 18-20,000 miles out of a set of tires. Doesn't sound too eco-friendly.

You could recycle the old tires by burning them to power a charging station.

Posted by: t-bird at September 11, 2023 11:20 AM (A0/af)

115 Climate horseshit aside, EV's are great ideas for a very specific and particular set of uses. If you do a lot of short range driving in moderate climate and can afford to own different cars for every other purpose, then an EV is a fun option.

You're describing a golf cart.
Posted by: Archimedes

No, no. Golf carts rarely explode into flame.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:20 AM (FVME7)

116 So in a nut shell, I think Tesla is a very cool toy.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (sX1BW)
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Yup, that's my take.

Fast, undeniable "cool" factor, fun as hell to drive, very futuristic, etc. Right on.

Just not for your only car. The Tesla is in many ways like any other sports car or other variety of toy car like a rock crawler, etc.: not appropriate for one's only vehicle.

EVs in general are firmly in the "second car" camp. If you have a short commute and own your house and have at-home charging and a charging point at work and all you need is an urban runabout that never does anything else, you can do with just an EV. It probably isn't cost-effective all things considered, but it will work for you. Most people, however, are not in that scenario.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)

117 only 5 comments and we got a threadwinner!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (YNbPJ)

WOOT!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:20 AM (tjClK)

118 105 Her advance team realized there weren't going to be enough plugs to go around. One of the station's four chargers was broken, and others were occupied. So an Energy Department staffer tried parking a nonelectric vehicle by one of those working chargers to reserve a spot for the approaching secretary of energy.

That did not go down well: a regular gas-powered car blocking the only free spot for a charger?

In fact, a family that was boxed out — on a sweltering day, with a baby in the vehicle — was so upset they decided to get the authorities involved: They called the police.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (9yUzE)

========

I think this might be the best example of American governance today.

The elite making a show? The elite desperately trying to keep the show running? The elite pissing off the people in the process? The feds and the local authorities getting to butt heads?

The only thing that would make it perfect is if the family announced their continued support for Joe Biden after their baby had to go to the hospital because of heat stroke.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:21 AM (LvTSG)

119 The Fisker, by contrast, is a sharp looking car. Has a kind of Clark Gable mustache thing going on:

I kind of like the look. It's like a Corvette, but less...adolescent.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:21 AM (I/Qkd)

120
Oh, give it a rest.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (I/Qkd)

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:21 AM (tjClK)

121 Please tell these Gaia Freaks that when the Sun blinks out it will be very cold and dark on earf and all of biology will be dead.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:18 AM (pLaQB)

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

-- Robert Frost

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 11, 2023 11:21 AM (AiZBA)

122 So in a nut shell, I think Tesla is a very cool toy.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:09 AM (sX1BW)

Best way to describe it. A T-bucket hot rod with a blown 454 in it is a cool toy, too. And neither is practical as one's sole means of transportation.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (fape4)

I know which one I would rather own.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (aD39U)

123
I kind of like the look. It's like a Corvette, but less...adolescent.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:21 AM (I/Qkd)

I've never understood the fascination with Corvettes. They've always been shit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (tjClK)

124 I traveled for business last week. When I went to the counter to get my rental car they wanted me to take an electric vehicle. I said NO firmly; I want a real car. I suspect the rental companies are drowning in electric vehicles no one wants even on a rental basis. I wasn’t the only person in line rejecting the electrics….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (R/Mh9)

125 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
NEW - Elon Musk: Climate change will not end the world as is being propagated
Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, countered the prevailing narrative by stating that climate change will not lead to the end of the world.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (krqg6)

126 I’m going to have a big problem on a hot summer day. I’ll have to seek out a place to stop for an hour or so to recharge somewhere in northwest Georgia, after I turn off the AC and literally sweat out the declining range.

clearly, tesla needs to strike a deal to ensure that each supercharger installation includes a waffle house.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (oY6Yp)

127 A young friend of ours has been doing an internship at Tesla. His report: Teslas end up being in the repair shop a lot. Despite it being a not-bad looking machine, they are cheaply built, and aren't going to last long. I'm not even a fan of EV's, but his comments surprised me.

JWM

Posted by: jwm at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (eWQHi)

128 I don't think there is enough left in the SPR to keep gasoline prices down until Election Day
Posted by: SMOD at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (RHGPo)
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Fucking laughable, but I saw a Propaganda article the other day bemoaning this fact and the lede was "Gas prices are rising and it's not Biden's fault". The article blamed "past administrations" for not storing enough oil for Biden to blow through now.

Incredible.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (6Xrsx)

129 Has Tesla actually thrived? I've no idea what it's profits are, so I am asking? Would it be or have been in the past viable without all the electric vehicle subsidies/incentives that were handed out?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (KFhLj)

130 You can't end ethanol in gasoline! Food prices would fall!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (FVME7)

131 Where have you gone, Joe Xiden
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo
Woo woo woo

Posted by: Chuck C at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (xttsV)

132 The best part about a Tesla is you'll likely have to replace the battery before the vehicle is paid off.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (tjClK)

133 ... That did not go down well: a regular gas-powered car blocking the only free spot for a charger? ...
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at September 11, 2023 11:19 AM (9yUzE)
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My old office converted the four best spots on the lot to EV chargers and put up a sign that said "EV Charging." I ignored the signs until I got a citation from the building owner. I then contested it, arguing that it didn't say "only." It simply said "EV Charging" - not that the spaces were exclusively to be used for that.

The next week there were new signs installed that said something like, "This space for use only during EV charging." I quit parking in them.

At least of those four spaces was empty for at least two more years, before the number of EVs swelled.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (t0OGg)

134 -- Robert Frost
Posted by: Napoleon XIV

He was Frosty the Snowman, right ?

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (T4tVD)

135 125 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
NEW - Elon Musk: Climate change will not end the world as is being propagated
Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, countered the prevailing narrative by stating that climate change will not lead to the end of the world.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (krqg6)

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"Billionaire is not part of an apocalyptic cult," is where we are in terms of noteworthy headlines in 2023.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

136 "…less comfort and convenience.”

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"And less breathing & breeding by climate-killing carbon units ... but mostly less breathing & breeding by climate-killing carbon units!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (UCVwd)

137 Tesla thrived because a fool and his money are soon parted.

Posted by: Sponge

Tesla has made far more money selling carbon credits than vehicles during its lifespan.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (lTGtQ)

138 Has anybody seen theft rates among EVs? I haven't and would think them low (nobody wants them) or high to get the expensive batteries. Also, I imagine crash parts are sky high.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (0EOe9)

139 Some were speculating that that NYC parking building collapsed because of this. Not sure if there was any follow-up on that event or not.

Never ask a question you know the answer to.

Posted by: Journalism 101 at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (ptElO)

140 And, on a related note, getting solar panels on my house had a weird side benefit of cooling the place. Our house was built in 2016 or so (very cheaply), and the original owners had an underpowered AC installed, so it was always uncomfortably warm in the summer. This year, though, being our first with the solar panels...it's been great, even during the worst heat waves. I'm guessing keeping the heat off the roof and out of the attic has made a significant difference.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (JCZqz)

141 Things are not going well for China. Looks like we're trying to develop an alternative to the BRI, and that countries are finally waking up to the fact that China isn't pushing BRI for the benefit of the recipient countries.

https://tinyurl.com/2xt95dez

Italy's Meloni is pulling out of BRI. I knew I liked her.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (I/Qkd)

142 lucid company losing 500k for every car sold

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They are going to make it up in volume.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (5fPWA)

143 If you think they are trying to kill off driving, best get yourself an electric vehicle and some solar panels. It will be a lot harder for them to regulate/stop the sun than the interstate distribution of gasoline.

Posted by: RichieC at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (DxBF0)

144 The low-end estimates of the number of humans Earth can support us 40 billion.

That's with current technology.

Which, of course, includes dams and nuclear power. Imagine dams, canals, nuclear power plants and desalination plants all over the world .... unlimited energy and food.

The left is a modern day death cult that strives to feed bodies to their dead gods; those that survive, they wish to enslave in a poor life of meagerness, want and suffering.

The future Greta and hers has in mind for you is a child mining toxic cobalt by hand in an open pit mine with no protection to power her world-trotting luxury vacations.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (TzW+Y)

145 -- Robert Frost
Posted by: Napoleon XIV

He was Frosty the Snowman, right ?
Posted by: JT at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (T4tVD)

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (AiZBA)

146 I've never understood the fascination with Corvettes. They've always been shit.
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They make the perfect door stop for a semi.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (pLaQB)

147 I traveled for business last week. When I went to the counter to get my rental car they wanted me to take an electric vehicle. I said NO firmly; I want a real car. I suspect the rental companies are drowning in electric vehicles no one wants even on a rental basis. I wasn’t the only person in line rejecting the electrics….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (R/Mh9)

"I have to drive on this trip and I choose the lesser opportunity to be stranded in the middle of nowhere."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (tjClK)

148 As long as everybody works from home and lives in a 15 minute city, you won't even need a vehicle at all. Even manufacturing workers. This is the brilliance of our ruling class.
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And ~~crawling, peasant,~~ walking, citizen, to work is much healthier.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (krqg6)

149 Tesla thrived, not because it was an EV, but because it was a luxurious EV.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (sX1BW)

Teslas aren't really luxurious in any traditional sense. They're pretty bare, and pretty poorly built.

What they are is a fashion statement - the statement being "I super-care about the planet". And you can make a lot of money if you find a way to get lots of wealthy people to buy into a trendy conspicuous fashion statement.

Posted by: spindrift at September 11, 2023 11:25 AM (EGPRf)

150 @138 with cameras and mics all around on I'd say it's low.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:25 AM (pIx7m)

151 That's part of the kink. Everyone will know how virtuous you are because you drive such an outstandingly ugly vehicle to save Gaia.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (I/Qkd)

***

Pontiac Aztek has entered the chat

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 11, 2023 11:25 AM (ZV+pB)

152 Iowa is kind of important in winning the WH.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:16 AM (pLaQB)

So pay lip service to the ethanol leeches, and then ratfuck 'em once you get elected. You could even keep corn subsidies on the pretext of growing masa corn to use as foreign aid for poor countries in Central America, keeping food prices there low so as to discourage illegal migration.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (fape4)

153 143 If you think they are trying to kill off driving, best get yourself an electric vehicle and some solar panels. It will be a lot harder for them to regulate/stop the sun than the interstate distribution of gasoline.

*chemtrails have entered the chat*

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (oY6Yp)

154 Has Tesla actually thrived? I've no idea what it's profits are, so I am asking? Would it be or have been in the past viable without all the electric vehicle subsidies/incentives that were handed out?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (KFhLj)
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Eventually. Profit margins are about 13%, which is pretty good for heavy industry. GM's is closer to 8%.

Return on capital isn't great - Tesla is overvalued - but it's not a total donkey. It was for many years, but Musk's reality distortion field kept things going until it became a real company.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (t0OGg)

155 For the most part the public has no idea how big a problem lithium ion batteries have become but it is an enormous problem and it is only getting bigger every single day. Ask any firefighter what the biggest concern they have right now and it's lithium ion batteries.

Anyone who tells you they have a product that will extinguish a LI battery fire is lying. Only a matter of time until there is a a major incident.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (ZLI7S)

156 Has Tesla actually thrived?

Lots of Teslas in my affluent Portland suburban neighborhood.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (2tUFv)

157 demographic that favors EVs (usually as a second car) is also the demographic that takes extended jaunts to Europe, Vail, etc. A dead EV awaits them when they return if they don’t have a babysitter keeping it charged.

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I think you have a warped view of a typical EV owner. It’s not Thurston Howell III. It’s a lawyer making $200k a year.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:27 AM (bWsRe)

158 Tesla. They don't come with a spare tire and you MUST go through Tesla for a replacement tire, after you RENT the spare, otherwise you void your warranty ON THE CAR.

Yeah, Tesla is shit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:27 AM (tjClK)

159 Around here there are very many two Tesla driveways. I walk my dogs past several every morning.

The Bolt is good. But Tesla owns the game.

Posted by: JEM at September 11, 2023 11:27 AM (8erNz)

160 @TheInsiderPaper
NEW - Elon Musk: Climate change will not end the world as is being propagated
Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, countered the prevailing narrative by stating that climate change will not lead to the end of the world.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (krqg6)
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Huh. Yeah, TJM nailed this one.

A prominent public figure who *isn't* in a doomsday cult is unusual and therefore notable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:27 AM (t0OGg)

161 156 Has Tesla actually thrived?

Lots of Teslas in my affluent Portland suburban neighborhood.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (2tUFv)
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It looks to me like there are more Teslas than BMWs on the road in Northern California.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (pIx7m)

162 climate change will not lead to the end of the world.

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I was listening to a lecture on how ordinary people lived throughout history and the presenter said that at the end of the last ice age, the climate temperature raised 12° in 50 years. I didn't even know the Republican Party was that old!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

163 The progs are going to find that any serious attempt to eliminate vehicles for flyover country will simply result in those vehicles being converted to technicals and the party getting started.

Of course, that's part of the plan - it's a common prog MO to direct minions who drank the koolaid to do stupid shit (in this case, push EV's to "save the planet"), on the thought that either they succeed, or they fail because resistance crosses the threshold to start droning prog opponents, so it's all win-win as far as they're concerned.

I have had a lot of idiots try to argue that EV's are ideal for hurricane evacuation. As a member of the "laptop class" WFH contingent going incognito among the moonbats, I can authoritatively tell you these people are delusional and basically worthless for anything that requires dealing with reality. This is going to become very evident when the pot finally boils over.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (8umef)

164 Anyone who tells you they have a product that will extinguish a LI battery fire is lying. Only a matter of time until there is a a major incident.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 11:26 AM (ZLI7S)
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Major incident? Do melting parking garages and the loss of a car transport ship not count?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)

165 146 I knew a fella up in Ohio, a very good mechanic. When he decided to go on his own he hung up the Corvette Specialist shingle. He always chuckled at that, being able to charge a bundle more for working on, after the fiberglass body, a Chevrolet.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (0EOe9)

166 CBD rates a “Mr.” now?

Is he going to start demanding that we address him with “usted”?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (xTRSc)
Better than:
Captain
Big
Dick
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (zZu0s)

Consolador de Don Carlos Maron

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (xhaym)

167 ++++
Huh. Yeah, TJM nailed this one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:27 AM (t0OGg)

Uh oh......THAT won't go to his head.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (tjClK)

168 77 the problem isn't cars with internal combustion engines; the problem is cars.
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Freedom is the problem.
Posted by: t-bird at September 11, 2023 11:15 AM (amJF4)
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People are the problem

Posted by: Bill Gates Population Reduction Foundation at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (c29e4)

169 141 Italy's Meloni is pulling out of BRI. I knew I liked her.

it's funny because "meloni" is italian for "melons"

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (oY6Yp)

170 CBD rates a “Mr.” now?

Is he going to start demanding that we address him with “usted”?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:08 AM (xTRSc)
Better than:
Captain
Big
Dick
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (zZu0s)

Or "fag."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (tjClK)

171 That's part of the kink. Everyone will know how virtuous you are because you drive such an outstandingly ugly vehicle to save Gaia.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:13 AM (I/Qkd)

Ah, the original Volvo gambit.

Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (gmo/4)

172 So a new business could be selling small trailers with a diesel generator you can pull around to charge your EV.
Big rig trucks with a 8000 pound battery, a necessity for truckers with their trucks being so heavy. Have to carry less cargo, because the weight of the battery's.

Posted by: colin at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (YZw9y)

173 >>Major incident? Do melting parking garages and the loss of a car transport ship not count?

It will get worse.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (ZLI7S)

174 M no you do not rent or buy a tire from Tesla. We have been there we have done that we own one and they're not cheap but you buy them from a tire store

Posted by: JEM at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (8erNz)

175 I see Tesla 3s everywhere in my burg. A few model S sprinkled here and there. And the Kia model (can’t remember the name) seems popular-ish too.

It’s one of many options for cars that people have. Some will buy an EV some won’t. Just like some people will buy a truck and some won’t. Choices are a good thing.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (bWsRe)

176 167 Uh oh......THAT won't go to his head.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:28 AM (tjClK)

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It just means I have one more time to be right again today.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

177 I was listening to a lecture on how ordinary people lived throughout history and the presenter said that at the end of the last ice age, the climate temperature raised 12° in 50 years. I didn't even know the Republican Party was that old!

That sounds suspect. However, if true, it would be a very interesting experiment in how rapidly life can adapt to huge changes.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (I/Qkd)

178 A few weeks ago, I saw a car belonging to someone who made a very long and very expensive trip.

It was in a state east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon, and I saw a Tesla with Hawaii plates. That couldn't have been fast or cheap.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

179 No, no. Golf carts rarely explode into flame.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

That's because golf carts still use lead acid batteries.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (SEDrX)

180 I thought of a good acronym for 'splodey cars:

ECE - external combustion engines.

Posted by: Im29too at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (rzdMV)

181
See the U.S.A.
in your Chevrolet

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (a3Q+t)

182 46 Saw one of those the other day... That is a really ugly vehicle
Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2023 11:10 AM (bs+z0)

EV designers just don't seem to know what to do with all that front end real estate w/o a radiator grill taking up most of the space. Don't think I've seen one yet that I would consider good looking, not even Teslas.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (VGRuw)

183 https://tinyurl.com/2xt95dez

Italy's Meloni is pulling out of BRI. I knew I liked her.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11
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I was looking forward to it Meloni rant.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (9rYNN)

184 What does one suppose the first things FedGov would prohibit/restrict under a "climate emergency?"

For one, travel. Especially by anything with an engine(s) powered by fossil fuels. Unless, of course, you're a member of the party in good standing.

For another, electrical power that isn't produced by "sustainable or green" sources.

The left has been telegraphing this for over a decade. Just like they did with the alphabet people. I believe they will make every attempt to see it through. Whether they succeed is debatable, but there doesn't appear to be a political solution in the works.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (Q4IgG)

185 "Which, of course, includes dams and nuclear power. Imagine dams, canals, nuclear power plants and desalination plants all over the world .... unlimited energy and food.

The left is a modern day death cult that strives to feed bodies to their dead gods; those that survive, they wish to enslave in a poor life of meagerness, want and suffering.

The future Greta and hers has in mind for you is a child mining toxic cobalt by hand in an open pit mine with no protection to power her world-trotting luxury vacations.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (TzW+Y)"

They don't want unlimited cheap power. That's an obstacle to neofeudalism. They'd rather live like lords over a shitheap than work as civil servants in shiny future filled with flying cars and shit.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (8umef)

186 It looks to me like there are more Teslas than BMWs on the road in Northern California.

About a third of my neighborhood is Asian, and a number of them own Teslas.

I find that surprising - I would think that affluent Asians would be less interested in virtue signaling than affluent white people.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (2tUFv)

187 Put the key in a VinFast.
"Good Morning VietNam! We dee dee maou now!"

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (uSHSS)

188 I was listening to a lecture on how ordinary people lived throughout history and the presenter said that at the end of the last ice age, the climate temperature raised 12° in 50 years. I didn't even know the Republican Party was that old!

That sounds suspect. However, if true, it would be a very interesting experiment in how rapidly life can adapt to huge changes.
Posted by: Archimedes

People were able to move from Florida to NYS.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (SEDrX)

189 178 They took the train from Hawaii.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (0EOe9)

190 M no you do not rent or buy a tire from Tesla. We have been there we have done that we own one and they're not cheap but you buy them from a tire store
Posted by: JEM at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (8erNz)

My tale is from a Tesla owner who had a flat and contacted Tesla. They told him if he went to Discount Tire and bought a tire, it would void his warranty and he would be fined $500 for the spare rental upon return.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (tjClK)

191

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Fucking laughable, but I saw a Propaganda article the other day bemoaning this fact and the lede was "Gas prices are rising and it's not Biden's fault". The article blamed "past administrations" for not storing enough oil for Biden to blow through now.

Incredible.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (6Xrsx)"

LOL; PDT wanted to fill it up to the brim, but congress wouldn't fund it as I recall.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (YNbPJ)

192 The family was so angry that they called the police on Granholm’s staffer.
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Did the police then proceed to rough up the staffer like a British Bobby to an autistic kid who said the Bobby looked like her lesbian aunty?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (fs1hN)

193 See the U.S.A.
in your Chevrolet
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (a3Q+t)

***

You'll be hearing from my lawyers

Posted by: Zombie Doris Day at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (ZV+pB)

194 It was in a state east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon, and I saw a Tesla with Hawaii plates. That couldn't have been fast or cheap.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

Probably shipped through the Panama Canal.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (xhaym)

195 I think the future will be everyone dressed like Beavis and Butthead riding around in Big Wheels sporting a safety flag so they don't get run over by the cops who will be driving MRAPs.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (pLaQB)

196 "184 What does one suppose the first things FedGov would prohibit/restrict under a "climate emergency?"

For one, travel. Especially by anything with an engine(s) powered by fossil fuels. Unless, of course, you're a member of the party in good standing.

For another, electrical power that isn't produced by "sustainable or green" sources.

The left has been telegraphing this for over a decade. Just like they did with the alphabet people. I believe they will make every attempt to see it through. Whether they succeed is debatable, but there doesn't appear to be a political solution in the works.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (Q4IgG)"

They'll try. They'll fail miserably. No shit, people will start shooting.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (8umef)

197 178 A few weeks ago, I saw a car belonging to someone who made a very long and very expensive trip.

It was in a state east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon, and I saw a Tesla with Hawaii plates. That couldn't have been fast or cheap.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

Military guy maybe? They get their personal vehicles shipped for them if I remember correctly. Which I may not be...

Or they're just rich.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (xcxpd)

198 "…less comfort and convenience.”

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Now there's a campaign slogan! Biden /Harris 2024: Down With Comfort and Convenience!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (FVME7)

199 ... It’s one of many options for cars that people have. Some will buy an EV some won’t. Just like some people will buy a truck and some won’t. Choices are a good thing.
Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:29 AM (bWsRe)
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Yup. Except that isn't the EV market or the EV boosters in government and industry. They don't want the choices. They want to use environmental policy to ban non-EVs. If EVs were just yet another market choice, one that some people like and some people don't, one that some people regret and some people don't, etc., then this would be a very different issue.

But that isn't the operating environment. The EV boosters make it very clear that this is not just another market choice. This is to be the only choice, for your own good and good of the planet. Or else.

Fuck that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (t0OGg)

200 "Good Morning VietNam! We dee dee maou now!"
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2023 11:31 AM (uSHSS)

Joe Biden: I need to learn things about Vietnam quickly.

Staff: Watch "Good Morning, Vietnam."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (tjClK)

201 @182 many modern ICE cars don't have a grille either, the intake airfflow comes from under the front end.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (pIx7m)

202 It was in a state east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon, and I saw a Tesla with Hawaii plates. That couldn't have been fast or cheap.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

Most likely military transfer. I see a lot of Hawaii plates. There is a base not far away as well.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (bWsRe)

203 If you think they are trying to kill off driving, best get yourself an electric vehicle and some solar panels. It will be a lot harder for them to regulate/stop the sun than the interstate distribution of gasoline.
Posted by: RichieC at September 11, 2023 11:24 AM (DxBF0)

That's when we go to pyrolysis gas generators. You can make fuel gas from any organic waste, grass clippings, sawdust, Communists.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (fape4)

204 This issue of making EV's when there is no demand is exacty the king of economic issue that destroyed the Soviet Union in its last years. Because all production was by central order, with no consideration for demand issues, large numbers of things were made for which there was no demand, and very small numbers of things were made which were in huge demand - which so destabilized economic conditions that the system eventually collapsed of its own weight.

In such situations, the Black Market becomes the only way to obtain needed goods, but the authorities *have* to allow it, or else the entire system collapses much more quickly. In practice, the authorities themselves end up running the black market as well, and you end up in a Venezuelan style system of absolute corrpution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (i9ffA)

205 I saw a Tesla with Hawaii plates

Don't look back you can never look back

Posted by: Don Henley at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (EGPRf)

206 What does one suppose the first things FedGov would prohibit/restrict under a "climate emergency?"

Taking Federal control of all zoning.

You don't want an apartment building constructed next to you filled with Section 8 recipients?

Tough.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (2tUFv)

207 Then she saw the answer; she saw the secret premise behind their words. With all of their noisy devotion to the age of science, their hysterically technological jargon, their cyclotrons, their sound rays, these men were moved forward, not by the image of an industrial skyline, but by the vision of that form of existence which the industrialists had swept away—the vision of a fat, unhygienic rajah of India, with vacant eyes staring in indolent stupor out of stagnant layers of flesh, with nothing to do but run precious gems through his fingers and, once in a while, stick a knife into the body of a starved, toil-dazed, germeaten creature, as a claim to a few grains of the creature's rice, then claim it from hundreds of millions of such creatures and thus let the rice grains gather into gems.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (aD39U)

208 She had thought that industrial production was a value not to be questioned by anyone; she had thought that these men's urge to expropriate the factories of others was their acknowledgment of the factories value. She,born of the industrial revolution, had not held as conceivable, had forgotten along with the tales of astrology and alchemy, what these men knew in their secret, furtive souls, knew not by means of thought, but by means of that nameless muck which they called their instincts and emotions: that so long as men struggle to stay alive, they'll never produce so little but that the man with the club won't be able to seize it and leave them still less, provided millions of them are willing to submit—that the harder their work and the less their gain, the more submissive the fiber of their spirit—that men who live by pulling levers at an electric switchboard, are not easily ruled, but men who live by digging the soil with their naked fingers, are—that the feudal baron did not need electronic factories in order to drink his brains away out of jeweled goblets, and neither did the rajahs of the People's State of India.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (aD39U)

209 "I’ll acknowledge that he had strong praise for Tesla’s speed, comfort, auto-pilot, and insurance program."

Great, but the real question is how do these qualities set Tesla apart from every other expensive luxury sedan? Even entry-level luxury sedans have speed, comfort, and advanced driving aids like auto pilot (which is dangerous no matter what).

Has this guy driven a Mercedes S Class or E class or even C Class? Panamera? BMW 5 or 7? They can all do what Tesla does, and in fact they do it BETTER with much nicer and more luxurious interiors than Tesla's plasticky interior.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

210 What does one suppose the first things FedGov would prohibit/restrict under a "climate emergency?"

For one, travel. Especially by anything with an engine(s) powered by fossil fuels. Unless, of course, you're a member of the party in good standing.

For another, electrical power that isn't produced by "sustainable or green" sources.

The left has been telegraphing this for over a decade. Just like they did with the alphabet people. I believe they will make every attempt to see it through. Whether they succeed is debatable, but there doesn't appear to be a political solution in the works.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

I guess the left doesn't want to eat. Because those semis have to pass thru here to get to there to deliver food.

Guess what isn't passing thru?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (SEDrX)

211 157 I think you have a warped view of a typical EV owner. It’s not Thurston Howell III. It’s a lawyer making $200k a year.
Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:27 AM (bWsRe)

To be fair, where I live, there aren't exactly a bunch of people making even that much, let alone more than that.

Not even most Lawyers (140-150k, maybe).

But yeah, if they're not driving a BMW, they're driving a Tesla.

Posted by: XTC at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)

212 She saw what they wanted and to what goal their "instincts," which they called unaccountable, were leading them. She saw that Eugene Lawson, the humanitarian, took pleasure at the prospect of human starvation—and Dr. Ferris, the scientist, was dreaming of the day when men would return to the hand-plow.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (aD39U)

213 The Republican Party is enthralled to ethanol because they choose to be, not because of some kind of mandate in Iowa, a state the honestly doesn't even matter when it comes to presidential politics.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 11, 2023 11:14 AM (LvTSG)
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the contrast provided by the Biden Junta, whose policies prove to everyone with two brain cells to rub together that Democrats want to impoverish you, and then make you die from no medical care while shivering in the dark, might be strong enough to run and win in Iowa, even while pledging to end the corn subsidies.

Posted by: Bill Gates Population Reduction Foundation at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (8CwXg)

214 A fisking is what you get when buying one.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:17 AM (tjClK)

Any different than dating a busty redhead?

I am merely speaking on the aesthetic value of the vehicle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (zZu0s)

215 Some good news is that EVs seem to have found their maximum market share, even with the ridiculous government incentives and rebates. Dealers have an abundance of EVs but customers won’t buy them.

“EVs are running out of customers — and some dealers don't want them anymore” [Business Insider – 8/23/2023]

==

Spoiler alert:

75%+ of the ones that are already sold were sold to government, businesses, and corporations.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (f6/GE)

216 The future Greta and hers has in mind for you is a child mining toxic cobalt by hand in an open pit mine with no protection to power her world-trotting luxury vacations.
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We're not stealing your childhood, we're allowing you to live!

Posted by: Greta's paymasters, the WEF at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (fs1hN)

217 The most attractive thing about a Tesla is survive ability. A family of four surviving a 300 foot fall is a strong selling point.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (9rYNN)

218 You know what comes after 15 min cities, right?

Posted by: Camps at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (GvSdp)

219 "I don't think there is enough left in the SPR to keep gasoline prices down until Election Day
Posted by: SMOD"

It was at about 50% a few weeks ago, down from +80% when Biden took office. Even the idiots running the White House realize the danger of going lower, but they will to keep the LIV's from, voting against them.

Posted by: Ripley at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (JojsZ)

220 ... I frequently have to have someone babysit my car to ensure it doesn’t die and damage the battery.

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The best way to extend lithium ion batteries (including those for your phone) -- and hybrids do this -- is to keep the battery charged between 40 - 80% capacity.

Going below (especially to 0%) or above (especially to 100%) lessens its life.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (UCVwd)

221 Fucking laughable, but I saw a Propaganda article the other day bemoaning this fact and the lede was "Gas prices are rising and it's not Biden's fault". The article blamed "past administrations" for not storing enough oil for Biden to blow through now.

Incredible.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (6Xrsx)
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LOL. Wow. The mind fairly boggles.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

222 Infrequent commentator, but...

Does anyone remember the Ford Pinto gas tank problems??

The Corvair problems??

You now have a series of vehicles that DO self-combust. And..., Crickets.

Posted by: Just Dave at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (2c25S)

223 And yet, there are no deals to be found, nothing under MSRP, no room for negotiation, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

Deals? Fuck deals. I would like a new car. A Toyota Highlander hybrid. Why? I mostly drive in town, gas prices are ridiculous, and Toyota's hybrids are reliable.

What they aren't is available. I've had one on order for almost a year. It's insane.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (GYIa4)

224 Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Correction: Two car transport ships.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (u82oZ)

225 that isn't the operating environment. The EV boosters make it very clear that this is not just another market choice. This is to be the only choice, for your own good and good of the planet. Or else.

Fuck that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (t0OGg

Yeah I agree there. The govt pushing it is retarded. But the product itself isn’t. Lots of people like them and happily buy them without the govt making them.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (bWsRe)

226 178 It was in a state east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon, and I saw a Tesla with Hawaii plates.

hmm. that gives me an idea. *scribbles note: "electric amphicar"*

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (oY6Yp)

227 EV designers just don't seem to know what to do with all that front end real estate w/o a radiator grill taking up most of the space. Don't think I've seen one yet that I would consider good looking, not even Teslas.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff

I think they lean into the fact that they don't need a grill, hence, the mouth-guard front.

Second, not every previous ICE car was a work of exquisite beauty. Carping about EV designs is as pointless as bitching about velvet paintings of Elvis.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (IG4Id)

228 Aside from not being able to rely on and EV if you live in a zone which gets brutally cold weather ( even in the Southern US, warmer states can often have a ferocious ice storm in the middle of winter and being able to bug out in an ICE when the power goes out for days can be a life-saver.)

Why are EV's still touted as the be-all-and-end-all solution to our 'environmental problems'?

Rare earth minerals are a finite resource, unlike so-called fossil fuels.

Their mining destroys the ecosystem, but who really cares because we do not live there/ we do not see it/ it's not in our own backyard!

And do those rare earth minerals just mine themselves? or do we use and abuse humans, especially children, to do the dirty work of mining?

What am I missing?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (l0Cy4)

229 Most likely military transfer. I see a lot of Hawaii plates. There is a base not far away as well.
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The smart move is to sell you car in Hawaii and buy a new one in CONUS.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (pLaQB)

230 Big rig trucks with a 8000 pound battery, a necessity for truckers with their trucks being so heavy. Have to carry less cargo, because the weight of the battery's.

Posted by: colin

I can imagine the presentation being developed for OTR trucking. It explains how an electric semi tractor could go 500 miles on a charge and the batteries were only 8,000 pounds, which is about 15% of the payload of a truck.

I can imagine how that presentation will go. Lose 15% of your payload and travel 1/6 as far, for only twice the money.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)

231 221 Fucking laughable, but I saw a Propaganda article the other day bemoaning this fact and the lede was "Gas prices are rising and it's not Biden's fault". The article blamed "past administrations" for not storing enough oil for Biden to blow through now.

Incredible.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2023 11:23 AM (6Xrsx)
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LOL. Wow. The mind fairly boggles.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

One significant fact from that piece - even they are realizing that we are about to blow through the last of the SPR, and when we do there will be hell to pay. I expect oil prices to go past $200/bbl.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)

232 The EV boosters make it very clear that this is not just another market choice. This is to be the only choice, for your own good and good of the planet. Or else.

For the enviros, EVs are just a way-station to no private vehicle ownership at all, except of course for the Important People.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (2tUFv)

233 Oh, oh, looks like that nasty insurrectiony thingy again~!

@AliceOllstein 15m
BREAKING: Activists are occupying @SpeakerMcCarthy’s office demanding a full 5 year reauthorization of PEPFAR, which some Rs are opposing. Background: https://politico.com...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2023 11:36 AM (IG4Id)

234 "That's when we go to pyrolysis gas generators. You can make fuel gas from any organic waste, grass clippings, sawdust, Communists.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:32 AM (fape4)"

YES!

THIS!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 11, 2023 11:36 AM (YNbPJ)

235 That long twitter thread about the pros and cons of a Tesla -

That guy is a complete fucking retard. Anything out of his mouth is wholly invalidated by this:

"When I drive an ICE vehicle it feels like I’m in the Stone Age not being able to have the car take control for a moment. Autopilot comes in clutch when you are tired, need to find something in the vehicle, send an urgent message or just appreciate an amazing view out the window."

When you turn that shit on you are effectively saying, "Hey, it's time to find out if some engineer is going to kill or maim me, or a bunch of other random innocent people!"

I have watched a single Tesla nearly cause multiple horrific accidents in the span of 10 minutes or so. The feature isn't ready for primetime and even if it was people aren't using it responsibly, and aren't ready for the ethical consequences. Morons digging around in the back seat or nose-down in a phone aren't ready to step in and take over.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:36 AM (8umef)

236 202 When I was stationed in DC you saw lots of out of state plates, and quite a few euro style. I guess you have X number of days on the euro tags, and most would leave them on because cool I guess. Saw quite a few cars that would be described as grey market brought back by service members. AF officer down the street from my MiL had an Opel Admiral.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (0EOe9)

237 This busty blonde in a tank top likes the idea of a quick and fun sports car EV - but wants it parked next to the Lincoln Navigator in her garage:
https://is.gd/ZCjjcP

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (t0OGg)

238 What am I missing?
Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (l0Cy4)

You might be missing - or maybe you're not - the only truly important thing to know, that You (and me) are the Marks in the greatest Con Game ever pulled.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (i9ffA)

239 I've never understood the fascination with Corvettes. They've always been shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (tjClK)

Ok, Sponge, my brother, I never suspected CBD was right about you...

https://tinyurl.com/8nbbxavs

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (zZu0s)

240 @231 I read some speculate it could go as high as $300/barrell.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (pIx7m)

241 Has this guy driven a Mercedes S Class or E class or even C Class? Panamera? BMW 5 or 7? They can all do what Tesla does, and in fact they do it BETTER with much nicer and more luxurious interiors than Tesla's plasticky interior.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

A Panamera base price is $100k and can top out at $200k.

A Tesla 3 starts at $40k

It’s an apples to bananas comparison.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (bWsRe)

242 With even a cursory examination of the effects from mandating that fossil fuel based electrical generation be banned and replaced with unreliable electricity sources that produce insufficient amounts of energy for that task and then add to that burden replacing the gasoline and diesel that fuel the modern transportation system it is obvious the agenda behind this madness has nothing to do with climate change while still having a society remotely resembles the ones we have today. Rather it is crafted to make possible a revolution that will collapse Western constitutional self-governance and the economic and technological advancements that flowed from them and replace them with Leftist totalitarian state. Green energy is not about energy it is about government control of all sources of energy. EVs are not about addressing climate change but controlling the flow of goods throughout the economy and individual movement. The net effect is to create a compliant society that will be 100% dependent on a centralized government that operates with impunity. And because there must be a kink, once that is accomplished you can bet fossil fuels will make a comeback but only for the elite.

Posted by: Lost In Space at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (V/oiF)

243 You know what comes after 15 min cities, right?

Cow dung fires?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (I/Qkd)

244 https://is.gd/ZCjjcP

***

NOT a blonde... and I know blondes

Posted by: Zombie Doris Day at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (ZV+pB)

245 Cow dung fires?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (I/Qkd)

It's very hygienic.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (aD39U)

246 239

Ok, Sponge, my brother, I never suspected CBD was right about you...

https://tinyurl.com/8nbbxavs
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (zZu0s)

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Now that is a sexy car.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (pIx7m)

247 In such situations, the Black Market becomes the only way to obtain needed goods, but the authorities *have* to allow it, or else the entire system collapses much more quickly. In practice, the authorities themselves end up running the black market as well, and you end up in a Venezuelan style system of absolute corrpution.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (i9ffA)

DDR's Konsum stores and KoKo department of the Foreign Ministry have entered the chat. . .

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (xhaym)

248 243 You know what comes after 15 min cities, right?

Cow dung fires?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (I/Qkd)

Burning commies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:39 AM (zZu0s)

249 I can imagine how that presentation will go. Lose 15% of your payload and travel 1/6 as far, for only twice the money.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)
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We can't lose!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:39 AM (t0OGg)

250 >>What am I missing?

The only thing I can see that you're missing is which country has been working to become the dominant supplier of things like rare earth elements and other minerals necessary to make EVs?

China. And who has been helping them do this? President Grandpa Shit Pants and his crackhead son.

Do you know which country is sitting on one of the biggest deposits of rare earth minerals in the world? Afghanistan, the country we idiotically abandoned to the Chinese.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 11:39 AM (ZLI7S)

251 193 See the U.S.A.
in your Chevrolet
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2023 11:30 AM (a3Q+t)

***

You'll be hearing from my lawyers
Posted by: Zombie Doris Day at September 11, 2023
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Here's looking at you.

Posted by: Zombie Dinah Shore's lawyer at September 11, 2023 11:39 AM (9rYNN)

252 Now that is a sexy car.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (pIx7m)

Wrap around windshields make me feel funny...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (zZu0s)

253 BREAKING: Activists are occupying @SpeakerMcCarthy’s office demanding a full 5 year reauthorization of PEPFAR, which some Rs are opposing. Background: https://politico.com...

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I'm completely nonpartisan. Fuck him, fuck them, and fuck everybody in the general area.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (FVME7)

254 @212, ain't it the truth

a true prophet who is still routinely mocked ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (YNbPJ)

255 @243 Mogadishu was an early 15 minute city, judging from how fast the local militants were able to move to crash sites in "Blackhawk Down."

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (pIx7m)

256 EV designers just don't seem to know what to do with all that front end real estate w/o a radiator grill taking up most of the space. Don't think I've seen one yet that I would consider good looking, not even Teslas.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff

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Without the necessity for a radiator/grill they have the potential to design absolutely gorgeous cars, but they are legally prohibited from doing it. Federal pedestrian impact requirements mandate horrible looking front ends and high hoodlines.

There is literally a law preventing attractive cars from being produced.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (f6/GE)

257 Saw where a Rivian truck with in a fender bender under 5mph. The other car hit the Rivian's bed. $42,000 to replace the Rivian truck bed. So stupid.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (CjHGv)

258 "
Deals? Fuck deals. I would like a new car. A Toyota Highlander hybrid. Why? I mostly drive in town, gas prices are ridiculous, and Toyota's hybrids are reliable.

What they aren't is available. I've had one on order for almost a year. It's insane.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (GYIa4)"

Toyota hybrids are high quality but I'd rather pay more in gas than risk getting dragged out of it and shot in a case of blue-on-blue at some point down the road.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (8umef)

259
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Now that is a sexy car.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:38 AM (pIx7m)

until you drive it......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (tjClK)

260 207 Then she saw the answer; she saw the secret premise behind their words. With all of their noisy devotion to the age of science, their hysterically technological jargon, their cyclotrons, their sound rays, these men were moved forward, not by the image of an industrial skyline

ah. someone else has also been rereading that romance novel about dagny taggart monkeybarring her way up the ladder of chads.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (oY6Yp)

261 And because there must be a kink, once that is accomplished you can bet fossil fuels will make a comeback but only for the elite.
Posted by: Lost In Space

Except it won't. Economy of scale. That and how sooooo many products are made from petroleum now. It's a tightrope dance now. Fuck with it and it'll crash to the point that it'll destroy everything.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (SEDrX)

262 The first car I bought had Hawaiian plates. Bought it used from a Navy guy in California.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (xTRSc)

263 Do you know which country is sitting on one of the biggest deposits of rare earth minerals in the world? Afghanistan, the country we idiotically abandoned to the Chinese.
Posted by: JackStraw

I just want to celebrate another day of livin'

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (FVME7)

264 254 @212, ain't it the truth

a true prophet who is still routinely mocked ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (YNbPJ)

She wasn't wrong. That does not preclude her from being nuttier than a fruit cake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s)

265 Except it won't. Economy of scale. That and how sooooo many products are made from petroleum now. It's a tightrope dance now. Fuck with it and it'll crash to the point that it'll destroy everything.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (SEDrX)
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And the downside is?

Posted by: Tyrant at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (t0OGg)

266 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)

267 I think electric cars are a cool novelty. My friend has a model S, it's fast and fun to zip around in.

That said, my friend is very wealthy and owns multiple cars. His Tesla is like his weekend car. His primary car is a Tahoe or something (big SUV) and his wife has a smaller SUV.

How do you pack your family and skis and everything in a Tesla, drive 4 hours north in very cold weather to a rental cabin, and expect to keep that thing charged and able to drive in the snow, etc etc. Not to mention fitting all of your stuff.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (mj0Qp)

268 "One significant fact from that piece - even they are realizing that we are about to blow through the last of the SPR, and when we do there will be hell to pay.
Posted by: Tom Servo"

Good thing there are no major wars brewing that could cut of world oil supplies.

Posted by: Ripley at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (JojsZ)

269 until you drive it......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (tjClK)

That is why you get a C5 or C6 reskin. Beauty and utility (at least as far as a corvette can go.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

270 266 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)

Completely unworkable in new york city unless you're a multi millionaire and own an apartment in a building with a garage in it and dedicated parking spots. And even then, you'd have to get HOA approval to install a charger.

Otherwise, my car is parked in a different spot every day. How would I charge it?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 11:43 AM (mj0Qp)

271 >>What am I missing?

The only thing I can see that you're missing is which country has been working to become the dominant supplier of things like rare earth elements and other minerals necessary to make EVs?

China. And who has been helping them do this? President Grandpa Shit Pants and his crackhead son.

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Yesterday, Politico:

‘I don’t want to contain China,’ Biden says in Beijing’s backyard

https://tinyurl.com/ykcet89v

It's part of why the press conferences are abruptly cut short. He's admitting to crimes on stage, similar to the video of him discussing the phone call extortion of Ukrainian officials.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:43 AM (f6/GE)

272 BREAKING: Activists are occupying @SpeakerMcCarthy’s office demanding a full 5 year reauthorization of PEPFAR, which some Rs are opposing. Background: https://politico.com...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2023 11:36 AM (IG4Id)
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I fear for my life!!!

Posted by: Alexexandra Titty-Caca and The American Left at September 11, 2023 11:43 AM (u/gxT)

273 I had 3 takeaways from the first Earth Day at our local college. We are doomed by pollution unless we get rid of:
1) Oil 2) private autos 3)modern (free) lifestyle.

Since then, the rationales keeps changing, but the goals remain the same.

Posted by: Hal Dall MD at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (F5r8A)

274 I would personally like to strangle the engineer responsible for Escalade tail/brake lights.

Follow one in bumper to bumper for a while. You'll see.

It's clear they never thought about being behind one.

Posted by: DOYLE at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (Z8Yh2)

275 "Gas prices are rising and it's not Biden's fault".

Despite Biden publicly campaigning to end fossil fuel... There are multiple video examples.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (MeG8a)

276 To this day, I have never actually read the 90 pages or so of John Galt's speech. After about 3 pages I skip to the end.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (aD39U)

277 Speaking of 15 min cities, is there any information coming out on the Maui fire (massive govt. f*-up or massive govt. crime, depending on your POV) or is there still a media blackout?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (fs1hN)

278 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)
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You don't. Not unless you apartment building/complex provides EV charging facilities. EV chargers are ultra high-current. They have non-trivial infrastructure requirements. If you install one in your house, you may also have to install bigger service into the property (if your house is old, anyway). If you want a bunch of them in one place, you might need significant upgrades to the local power distribution infrastructure. It isn't a cord coming out of the wall - there is simply no way to carry enough current that way.

There's a reason that EV chargers are fairly big and require significant power input.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (t0OGg)

279 great write up, and sums up the position clearly. i wish more people would listen when they tell us exactly who they are...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (KZaqS)

280
That is why you get a C5 or C6 reskin. Beauty and utility (at least as far as a corvette can go.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

I still laugh of the Top Gear episode where Clarkson is ripping around their test track in a 'vette and the interior starts falling apart......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (tjClK)

281 241 Has this guy driven a Mercedes S Class or E class or even C Class? Panamera? BMW 5 or 7? They can all do what Tesla does, and in fact they do it BETTER with much nicer and more luxurious interiors than Tesla's plasticky interior.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

A Panamera base price is $100k and can top out at $200k.

A Tesla 3 starts at $40k

It’s an apples to bananas comparison.
Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:37 AM (bWsRe)
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You are cherry-picking the cheap Tesla model. Telsa 3 is a cheap, plasticky pile of shit that isn't even remotely in the same market as a Panny. I was talking more about Model S. And I mentioned other cars that are closer to $40k. Even a $40k Toyota or Honda will be more luxurious than a Tesla 3 and do everything better.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

282 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)

Completely unworkable in new york city unless you're a multi millionaire and own an apartment in a building with a garage in it and dedicated parking spots. And even then, you'd have to get HOA approval to install a charger.

Otherwise, my car is parked in a different spot every day. How would I charge it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

You have a two hundred unit apartment complex. Who pays to have two hundred charging stations installed?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (SEDrX)

283 I've always liked oddball foreign cars. Had a few. One I've always wanted is a Citroen Traction Avant, the "gangster car". I would really like to have one now with the WW2 charcoal burning set up on the back, just to piss off some greenies. If they have a fit over some pizza ovens one of those chugging down the road would really set them off.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (0EOe9)

284 Otherwise, my car is parked in a different spot every day. How would I charge it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 11:43 AM (mj0Qp)
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At a charge point - there will be one for at least 50% of all parking spaces - provided by a "public/private partnership" and metered at "competitive rates."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)

285 Shortly after Hurricane Katrina we happened to need a second family car. I was thinking economy.
Hybrids were making some inroads then so I looked at the cheapest hybrid option - $10,000.00. The cheapest satisfactory econo car was about $12,500.00.
$10,000 upgrade to save afew bucks in gas.... $10,000 up front is a LOT of gas. Running the payback period and found it was NEVER.
Got the Chevy Cobalt. Regret selling it when we had to upgrade again.

Convert those dollars for a Tesla into gas/carbon on the front end and anyone can see there is no saving the Earth there.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (ga8qR)

286 It's part of why the press conferences are abruptly cut short.

In the long history of embarrassing Biden press conferences, that one may have been the worst. The man is so manifestly incapable of even the most basic functions, it's just humiliating.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (I/Qkd)

287 270 Otherwise, my car is parked in a different spot every day. How would I charge it?

there was a cartoon about parking in mad magazine back in the day. idea was that you'd hop out of your car in a convenient spot and phone up a helicopter that would fly in, grab your car with a giant padded claw, and whisk it away to an empty rural area for parking. when you were ready to go home, you'd phone up again and the helicopter would bring it back.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:46 AM (oY6Yp)

288 "270 266 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)

Completely unworkable in new york city unless you're a multi millionaire and own an apartment in a building with a garage in it and dedicated parking spots. And even then, you'd have to get HOA approval to install a charger.

Otherwise, my car is parked in a different spot every day. How would I charge it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 11:43 AM (mj0Qp)"

Apartment dwellers wealthy enough that they're intended to have cars already have private parking spots, and garages that will add chargers.

Anyone street parking is a peasant, why would peasants own cars? Do people really not understand that the progs intend to ban most private vehicle ownership?

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:46 AM (8umef)

289 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)

And the metal thieves will steal your extension cord. Lot of valuable copper in heavy-duty cords needed to run a car charger.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:46 AM (fape4)

290 239 I've never understood the fascination with Corvettes. They've always been shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (tjClK)
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Witnessed two collisions between a Corvette &a pickup. Attendants with big bags were picking up bloody pieces from the Corvette while the driver of the pickup was walking around with a towel to his head. [it was early morning]

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (9rYNN)

291 I'm hording gasoline powered vehicles. I'm up to a dozen or so.

Posted by: fd at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (vFG9F)

292 I saw an interesting article from an EV owner discussing the things no one thinks about.

He got back from a trip and picked up his car from the airport. Needed to charge it before going home. No chargers available so he had to wait, then someone had a semi-emergency and needed to get in line before him so he had to wait some more, then when he finally got to charge it he had to sit and wait for the actual charging to occur.

Sounds great right after returning from an airplane trip, doesn't it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (f6/GE)

293 284 At a charge point - there will be one for at least 50% of all parking spaces - provided by a "public/private partnership" and metered at "competitive rates."

and kicking back 10% to the big guy.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (oY6Yp)

294 Do you remember getting banged in the bathhouse without needing rubbers??

PEPFAR remembers!
.
.
.
.
President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (krqg6)

295 I think one of the biggest disconnects I see here is the perception of a an EV as a Luxury car replacement. Yeah there are some high end ones. But there are also $30k EVs.

Just like there is a wide range of IC cars there is a wide range of EVs. I think the cheapest EV is $26K or something. It’s a Civic cross buyer not a They’re Tesla S cross buyer.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)

296 I still laugh of the Top Gear episode where Clarkson is ripping around their test track in a 'vette and the interior starts falling apart......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:44 AM (tjClK)

They replace the interior too. Modern vettes do not look like that either inside.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (zZu0s)

297 I wonder if drawing down the SPR will work for fourteen months until the election.

Knowing Biden, we'll have a major international crisis next year, and will desperately need the SPR. Oops.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:48 AM (2tUFv)

298 and kicking back 10% to the big guy.
Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (oY6Yp)
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Of course. To several Big Guys.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)

299 BREAKING: Activists are occupying @SpeakerMcCarthy’s office demanding a full 5 year reauthorization of PEPFAR, which some Rs are opposing. Background: https://politico.com...

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I'm completely nonpartisan. Fuck him, fuck them, and fuck everybody in the general area.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:40 AM (FVME7)
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Not having heard of "PEPFAR", I looked it up. Passed in 2003, and now cumulatively having cost over $100 billion, it looks like some kind of subsidy program for AIDS drugs. It started to fund research, but has apparently morphed over time.

Posted by: Alexexandra Titty-Caca and The American Left at September 11, 2023 11:48 AM (u/gxT)

300 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars

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ding ding ding

You figured it out.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:48 AM (f6/GE)

301 @280 Clarkson hated all American made cars,.except for the Ford GT-40.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:48 AM (pIx7m)

302 282 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 11, 2023 11:42 AM (dKiJG)

Completely unworkable in new york city unless you're a multi millionaire and own an apartment in a building with a garage in it and dedicated parking spots. And even then, you'd have to get HOA approval to install a charger.

Otherwise, my car is parked in a different spot every day. How would I charge it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

You have a two hundred unit apartment complex. Who pays to have two hundred charging stations installed?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (SEDrX)
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Hard to get board approval for high-speed chargers even in expensive buildings. The vast majority of EV users have suburban homes they can use to charge, or they use public charging stations. If you spend a few days driving around Manhattan, you will see lots of EVs on the road, but none that are parked. I think 99% of these cars are owned by people outside the City.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

303 At a charge point - there will be one for at least 50% of all parking spaces - provided by a "public/private partnership" and metered at "competitive rates."
Posted by: Joe Mannix

So. 100 charging stations for a two hundred unit apartment complex. Who retroactively installs them? Who maintains them? If you are only putting in half against total, they can't afford to have breakdowns.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (SEDrX)

304 People shopping for a Civic aren't buying an extra car. They are buying their only car. That's not an EV buyer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (f6/GE)

305 Clarkson hated all American made cars,.except for the Ford GT-40.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:48 AM (pIx7m)

That's fine. I hate pretty much all British made cars.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (tjClK)

306 282 You have a two hundred unit apartment complex. Who pays to have two hundred charging stations installed?

you do, taxpayer.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (oY6Yp)

307
She wasn't wrong. That does not preclude her from being nuttier than a fruit cake.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s

If only she'd had the sense to hire an editor...

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (i9ffA)

308 I'm waiting for Joe to not only confess his corruption during a press conference but to brag about how he got away with it.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (HfNu5)

309 Electric Vehicles do not save the planet-

"Over 40% of energy-related carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are due to the burning of fossil fuels for electricity generation."

"All electricity generation technologies emit greenhouse gases at some point in their life-cycle."

Posted by: redridinghood at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (NpAcC)

310 "295 I think one of the biggest disconnects I see here is the perception of a an EV as a Luxury car replacement. Yeah there are some high end ones. But there are also $30k EVs.

Just like there is a wide range of IC cars there is a wide range of EVs. I think the cheapest EV is $26K or something. It’s a Civic cross buyer not a They’re Tesla S cross buyer.
Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)"

They're a luxury car replacement because they're not a CAR replacement in the first place. People buying them and actually happy with them already have multiple other ICE vehicles. They are a third car, at a minimum. If you can afford to buy three cars for two adult drivers, and can afford to park them safely, then you are in the luxury car demographic. This is not rocket science.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (8umef)

311 294 Do you remember getting banged in the bathhouse without needing rubbers??

PEPFAR remembers!
.
.
.
.
President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (krqg6)
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AIDs relief is still an emergency?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (pIx7m)

312 People buying EVs are buying toys.

Again, the EV market is government and corporations. Yes, there are a few people buying toys, but folks shopping for Civics aren't cross-shopping EVs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (f6/GE)

313 So. 100 charging stations for a two hundred unit apartment complex. Who retroactively installs them? Who maintains them? If you are only putting in half against total, they can't afford to have breakdowns.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (SEDrX)
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They're paid for through "joint investment" - 50%, maybe as much as 75% of the money coming from taxpayers, which maintenance and revenues handled by the "private partner," of course. And when they break down, you can deal with it later. Whatever. The Big Guys got paid.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

314 I think one of the biggest disconnects I see here is the perception of a an EV as a Luxury car replacement. Yeah there are some high end ones. But there are also $30k EVs.

Just like there is a wide range of IC cars there is a wide range of EVs. I think the cheapest EV is $26K or something. It’s a Civic cross buyer not a They’re Tesla S cross buyer.
Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)

You don't get it. The luxury is the ability to virtue-signal. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (fape4)

315
You are cherry-picking the cheap Tesla model. Telsa 3 is a cheap, plasticky pile of shit that isn't even remotely in the same market as a Panny. I was talking more about Model S. And I mentioned other cars that are closer to $40k. Even a $40k Toyota or Honda will be more luxurious than a Tesla 3 and do everything better.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

You didn’t specify S, you said Tesla. And neither did the Twattter. This is kind of my point. Everyone just says Tesla or EV as if they’re all the same.

Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (bWsRe)

316 Not having heard of "PEPFAR", I looked it up. Passed in 2003, and now cumulatively having cost over $100 billion, it looks like some kind of subsidy program for AIDS drugs. It started to fund research, but has apparently morphed over time.

Sex is a choice. You choose wrong, pay for your own goddamn medication.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (tjClK)

317 Passed in 2003, and now cumulatively having cost over $100 billion, it looks like some kind of subsidy program for AIDS drugs.

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Is AIDS fully treatable or is HIV treatable to prevent it from becoming AIDS? Did the virus mutate as it passed through parts of the human population? Seems like it is not nearly the threat it used to be? Though we are likely throwing huge sums of money at it.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (sX1BW)

318 297 I wonder if drawing down the SPR will work for fourteen months until the election.

is there anything left in it?

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (oY6Yp)

319 "That's fine. I hate pretty much all British made cars.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden"

Anybody that ever owned and MG shares that sentiment.

Posted by: Ripley at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (JojsZ)

320 Amusingly, my little town has a six slot solar powered charging station at our Civic Center, built with Fed money.

I ran the numbers from the newspaper when it was first installed. It can completely charge one Tesla over the course of a day.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (aD39U)

321 "At a charge point - there will be one for at least 50% of all parking spaces - provided by a "public/private partnership" and metered at "competitive rates."
Posted by: Joe Mannix"

No there won't.

They'll prohibit private vehicle ownership by various means to such an extent that they won't need even a fraction of this amount of chargers.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (8umef)

322 >>He got back from a trip and picked up his car from the airport. Needed to charge it before going home. No chargers available so he had to wait, then someone had a semi-emergency and needed to get in line before him so he had to wait some more, then when he finally got to charge it he had to sit and wait for the actual charging to occur.

The founder of my company was in Germany last summer for a conference. He then left with our Polish customer for meetings in Poland in the customers shiny new Tesla.

He then discovered that Poland is not exactly covered in charging stations for Teslas. A trip that would have taken about 8 hours in an ICE vehicle took over 20 as they zigzagged around from charging station to charging station instead of making a straight trip from point A to point B.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)

323 That's fine. I hate pretty much all British made cars.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (tjClK)

Morgans.

Also:

https://tinyurl.com/msw6db9h

You'd have plenty of time to admire it while it is sitting in your mechanic's garage.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

324 Anyone street parking is a peasant, why would peasants own cars? Do people really not understand that the progs intend to ban most private vehicle ownership?
Posted by: somedood

How do they plan to have 15 minute cities when there's not enough living spaces around work sites?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (SEDrX)

325 How do people that live in apartments charge their cars are you gonna run a cord to your car and are people using the right charging cord??

New apartment buildings in Portland have to have EV chargers.

An actual quote from a Portland "advocate":

“There will be a day when gas vehicles are unavailable and we need to ensure [Black, Indigenous and people of color] and low-income communities are not left out of that transition and are able to fuel their vehicles,” she said.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:52 AM (2tUFv)

326 It's part of why the press conferences are abruptly cut short.

In the long history of embarrassing Biden press conferences, that one may have been the worst. The man is so manifestly incapable of even the most basic functions, it's just humiliating.

Posted by: Archimedes

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I heard the audio of another one where he said "I sold state secrets"

It's incredible.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:52 AM (f6/GE)

327 is there anything left in it?
Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (oY6Yp)

Last I heard, it was about half empty- and they are afraid of refilling it because it was never meant to be a gumball machine.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:52 AM (zZu0s)

328 319 Hee hee. MGs are like RRs. Take it from me.

Austin America

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:52 AM (0EOe9)

329
You'd have plenty of time to admire it while it is sitting in your mechanic's garage.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

When the vertical miles exceed the horizontal miles.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:52 AM (tjClK)

330 Morgans.
Also:
https://tinyurl.com/msw6db9h

You'd have plenty of time to admire it while it is sitting in your mechanic's garage.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Lotus 7. At least it has 4 wheels.

Posted by: fd at September 11, 2023 11:53 AM (vFG9F)

331 And now for something completely different, police chase followed by a barrage of gunfire. (They put the good stuff up front.)

https://youtu.be/UJpj1XP-vsE

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 11, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)

332 New apartment buildings in Portland have to have EV chargers.

Narrator: There will be no new apartment buildings in Portland.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:54 AM (aD39U)

333 That first pic, with the Tesla on the tow truck backed up to the charging station, is just a perfect example of Tesla's industry leading drivetrain protection warranty. If you don't drive it, it's hard to wear out.

"Hey, Mr. Towtruckdriver, how's about taking me down to the gas station for a quick fill up." said nobody, ever.

Posted by: Mayhem at September 11, 2023 11:54 AM (uv20x)

334 How do they plan to have 15 minute cities when there's not enough living spaces around work sites?

Posted by: rickb223

Oh, come on - that one is easy. High speed rail!

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:54 AM (lTGtQ)

335 @325 Battery fire fueled immolations of section 8 housing could be in the future.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 11, 2023 11:54 AM (pIx7m)

336 272
I fear for my life!!!
Posted by: Alexexandra Titty-Caca and The American Left

If only that were true.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 11, 2023 11:54 AM (udBxu)

337 334 How do they plan to have 15 minute cities when there's not enough living spaces around work sites?

Posted by: rickb223

Oh, come on - that one is easy. High speed rail!
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:54 AM (lTGtQ)

Also: fewer people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 11:55 AM (zZu0s)

338 Maybe, just maybe, Lucas Electric will announce the EV for every man and the planet will be saved.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:55 AM (0EOe9)

339 You have a two hundred unit apartment complex. Who pays to have two hundred charging stations installed?

you do, taxpayer.
Posted by: anachronda

Since I live in a private home, why would I pay for an apartment's charging stations?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:55 AM (SEDrX)

340 A great scandal!

According to data from the Oregon Department of Energy in 2021, 78% of registered EVs are in wealthy and white areas.

Oregon is 75% white.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:55 AM (2tUFv)

341 Since I live in a private home, why would I pay for an apartment's charging stations?

LOL.

Because people with guns will show up at your door if you don't pay your taxes?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (2tUFv)

342 The irony is that Bill Gates was right in theory to short stock on EVs. But what he apparently did not know is that the WEF controls every western nation government in the world and has their policies set to ban ICE vehicles through regulations and impossible-to-meet fuel economy and emission targets. So despite low to non-existent demand for EVs, they will be forced on the public in Western nations.

When Walter Isaacson asked Gates why he had shorted Tesla, he explained that "he had calculated that the supply of electric cars would get ahead of demand, causing prices to fall." Walter nodded but still had the same question: Why had he shorted the stock? Gates looked at him as if I had not understood what he just explained and then replied as if the answer was obvious: He thought that by shorting Tesla he could make money.

https://bit.ly/3LfDaSs

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (60h0q)

343 I would like to have a D-type, or maybe a 12 cyl E-type. Not because they were great cars (the D-type was) but just because.

Posted by: fd at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (vFG9F)

344 236 Saw quite a few cars that would be described as grey market brought back by service members.

it works both ways. as an army brat, i grew up in yerp. we took a rambler station wagon to germany and came back a few years later with a vw squareback.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (oY6Yp)

345 Do Unexploded EV's hold their value pretty well?

Posted by: t-bird at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (ptElO)

346 It just occurred to me that if the democrats ban gas ovens they won't have any place to send those that disagree with them.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (lTGtQ)

347 315
You are cherry-picking the cheap Tesla model. Telsa 3 is a cheap, plasticky pile of shit that isn't even remotely in the same market as a Panny. I was talking more about Model S. And I mentioned other cars that are closer to $40k. Even a $40k Toyota or Honda will be more luxurious than a Tesla 3 and do everything better.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

You didn’t specify S, you said Tesla. And neither did the Twattter. This is kind of my point. Everyone just says Tesla or EV as if they’re all the same.
Posted by: Montec at September 11, 2023 11:50 AM (bWsRe)
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Well, to some extent they are. Whatever the price range of whatever EV you can name, an ICE car at the similar price range does everything comparable or even better (sometimes MUCH better). That was my point above; that just saying "Car X is so good because of y and z" means nothing unless you compare it to others in the same price range. That's true for ALL cars, not just EVs. And the Twatter made a creepy comment about sex activities in the back seat. I assume he's talking about an S, since the back seat of a 3 is barely big enough to jerk off in.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (iFTx/)

348 334 How do they plan to have 15 minute cities when there's not enough living spaces around work sites?

Posted by: rickb223
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You'll work and live in the same building.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (9rYNN)

349 Apropos of nothing but the Sidebar, what ever happened to The Deplorable Gourmet 2: Sloppy Seconds?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (aD39U)

350 Austin America
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:52 AM (0EOe9)

I had an Austin 1100 once. The lineal predecessor to the America, same except smaller engine. It was a great little car, handling was just amazing. It cornered like a slot car. And the hydrolastic suspension, which interlinked the front and rear wheels, gave it a very smooth ride for such a stubby little car. I'd buy another one, if I cold find one at a fair price.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (fape4)

351 272
I fear for my life!!!
Posted by: Alexexandra Titty-Caca
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The world's gonna end so... show me them titties!

Posted by: Joe Dirt at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (pIx7m)

352 it works both ways. as an army brat, i grew up in yerp. we took a rambler station wagon to germany and came back a few years later with a vw squareback.
Posted by: anachronda

I want a vw thing. Or a willys jeep.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (SEDrX)

353 If you have a whole bunch of EVs parked right next to each other when one catches on fire the whole batch is going up.

Posted by: fd at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (vFG9F)

354 I believe there's a "plan" and it's going to be problematic when implemented.

Background: WT, Top 4 Common Regulatory Myths in Fleet, 5/2/19: 1. A/C Requirements in a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV); 2. Spare Pair of Glasses 3. Reporting Crashes & Truck Accidents Directly to the DOT, 4. Truck Driver Drug Tests with DOT Physicals

Daily Mail, July 20, 2022: 'We are running out of time on climate': Pete Buttigieg defends pushing Biden's green agenda when asked what the White House is doing for Americans who don't have air conditioning and lives are at risk during a heatwave...

DOT will take no responsibility. In lieu, OSHA which has NO jurisdiction over over-the-road vehicles has begun investigating & citing a VARIETY of employers for Section 5(a)(1) of the OSHAct (no standard promulgated but) 4 heat stress. Legally, very few could be supported but that's how they're rolling too.

NBC News, 6/14/23: UPS drivers on track to get air-conditioned trucks for the first time
"The package carrier reached a tentative deal with Teamsters leaders representing 340,000 employees to address long-standing heat-related concerns as part of contract talks that are underway."

$$$

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (GshMh)

355 AIDs relief is still an emergency?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO

You bet it is.

Posted by: PBS and NPR at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (I/Qkd)

356 A great scandal!

According to data from the Oregon Department of Energy in 2021, 78% of registered EVs are in wealthy and white areas.

Oregon is 75% white.

Posted by: The ARC of History!

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The link was posted here not too long ago. Tesla owners are white, make $150K/year, own a home, don't have kids, and are old.

You know, regular folks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (f6/GE)

357 I would really like to have one now with the WW2 charcoal burning set up on the back, just to piss off some greenies. If they have a fit over some pizza ovens one of those chugging down the road would really set them off.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 11:45 AM (0EOe9)

Mr Teslonian does a full build out of his gassifier powered pickup
He is quite mad. I think he is also an engineer, so his madness is impressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KipK49v7g

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (xhaym)

358 Crazy LAPD shootout after pursuing a hit and run driver.

Link goes to YouTube.
https://tinyurl.com/4vjva283

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (Zvtjl)

359 Hard to get board approval for high-speed chargers even in expensive buildings. The vast majority of EV users have suburban homes they can use to charge, or they use public charging stations. If you spend a few days driving around Manhattan, you will see lots of EVs on the road, but none that are parked. I think 99% of these cars are owned by people outside the City.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

I imagine there are chargers in Manhattan, but again -- unless you're literally in the top 5% of wealthy people in the country, you will not have access to one. At least easily.

Finding parking is enough of a headache, imagine if they did put EV chargers all over the streets of Manhattan. Now you have to find a spot where the charger hasn't been broken by a drunk homeless person, and you have to gamble that someone won't unplug your car.

And then what do we do for street sweeping? Everyone has to unplug and move the car?

It just won't work.

Commuting from the burbs? Sure, you can make it work. But most of us can't afford a 7 figure house within easy(ish) driving distance of nyc.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (mj0Qp)

360 Narrator: There will be no new apartment buildings in Portland.

Pretty much. Portland mandated that all new apartment buildings with more than 20 units had to include "affordable housing".

The only apartment buildings getting constructed in Portland now have 19 or less units.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (2tUFv)

361 >>Since I live in a private home, why would I pay for an apartment's charging stations?

We're paying for them now.

Remember when the feds sued VW for lying about their diesel emissions? They were supposed to pay the feds a fine of something like $2 billion.

Instead the feds made a deal. They didn't have to pay the fine if they spent the same amount building EV charging stations all over the US. And then there was the Inflation Reduction Act.

The feds, also know as our tax dollars, are spending 10s of billions on charging infrastructure everywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (ZLI7S)

362 The fact is, the Left is still pushing Maurice Strong's Agenda 21 because the West is too successful.

They want the West to be Third World poor while they live like the pigs of Animal Farm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 11:59 AM (vnQk4)

363 I want a vw thing. Or a willys jeep.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (SEDrX)

Volkswagen Kubelwagen = Volkswagen Thing

Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2023 11:59 AM (gmo/4)

364 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at September 11, 2023 11:59 AM (KVYjx)

365 I want a vw thing. Or a willys jeep.

Posted by: rickb223

I had a Willys Jeep. The thing was designed to keep enlisted men busy. I think it had over 150 grease zerks.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 11, 2023 11:59 AM (lTGtQ)

366 Re: my gasoline-powered Buick: The drop in gas mileage I saw last week, to 18 from the usual 21-22, has gone away. The instrument readout is now saying an average since my fillup of Sat. 9/2 of 23. I've done a tiny bit more highway driving, but not that much.

Still, I'll replace the air filter and run some injector cleaner through the car's innards.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 11, 2023 12:00 PM (J2vNu)

367 You'll work and live in the same building.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (9rYNN)
++++
Saudi Arabia's "The Line:"
https://is.gd/Qh2CV5

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2023 12:00 PM (t0OGg)

368 358 Crazy LAPD shootout after pursuing a hit and run driver.

Link goes to YouTube.
https://tinyurl.com/4vjva283
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (Zvtjl)

Geez. Scratched the paint a bit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 11, 2023 12:00 PM (zZu0s)

369 “To be fair, CEOs Mary Barra (GM) and Jim Farley (Ford) are aggressively destroying their companies too in pursuit of the EV fantasy, so their compensation is also preposterous, even if it is just a fraction of Rawlinson’s.”

You mean if Ford or GM go under it’s NOT the fault of free trade but of stupid decisions made of their own freewill?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2023 12:00 PM (1i9eG)

370 350 Had an America. Main problem was the parts chain. Back then you had these dealers with multi marques taking on anything and everything with no parts support. We had one dealer in my home town, so and so imports that had at least six brands. Last place I ever saw with a Morris Minor on the showroom floor.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 12:01 PM (0EOe9)

371 I saw a car with a Hawaiian plates at my local Home Depot in upstate NY. I assumed it was someone who had or was in the military.

Posted by: colin at September 11, 2023 12:01 PM (YZw9y)

372 It is far easier to maintain and get parts for a VW Type 181 Thing/Safari than it is for a Type 82 Kubelwagen.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:01 PM (vnQk4)

373 I see a public charger every afternoon on my way home, right at the curb by a small public park. It invariably has a car already hooked up to it -- usually what looks like the same white Tesla.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (J2vNu)

374 I've never understood the fascination with Corvettes. They've always been shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (tjClK)

Ok, Sponge, my brother, I never suspected CBD was right about you...

https://tinyurl.com/8nbbxavs
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Corvettes are fine as long as you don't have shoulders.
I was a passenger and couldn't figure out why I couldn't get comfortable in a 2 hr trip into the mountains.
I looked after the ride up and the seats are made for runts. I am not a runt.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (5fPWA)

375 Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

I imagine there are chargers in Manhattan, but again -- unless you're literally in the top 5% of wealthy people in the country, you will not have access to one. At least easily.

Finding parking is enough of a headache, imagine if they did put EV chargers all over the streets of Manhattan. Now you have to find a spot where the charger hasn't been broken by a drunk homeless person, and you have to gamble that someone won't unplug your car.

And then what do we do for street sweeping? Everyone has to unplug and move the car?

It just won't work.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 11:58 AM (mj0Qp)
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I live in Manhattan and don't think I've seen an outdoor charging station. Maybe out on the outskirts of Manhattan. Most public charging stations are installed in indoor public garages, which isn't an option unless you are willing and able to spend the equivalent of a car payment (at least) on monthly parking.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (iFTx/)

376 Infrequent commentator, but...

Does anyone remember the Ford Pinto gas tank problems??

The Corvair problems??

You now have a series of vehicles that DO self-combust. And..., Crickets.
Posted by: Just Dave at September 11, 2023 11:34 AM (2c25S)
***

Owned a '65 Corvair. Actually a fun car as long as I didn't go over 50mph, at which pint the fan belt shredded.
I'd laugh at Pintos.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (uSHSS)

377 bWsRe)
______

Well, to some extent they are. Whatever the price range of whatever EV you can name, an ICE car at the similar price range does everything comparable or even better (sometimes MUCH better).
....
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 11:56 AM (iFTx/
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What brand of gasser can take a 300 foot fall with 4 passengers suffering only minor injuries?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (9rYNN)

378 I want a vw thing. Or a willys jeep.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:57 AM (SEDrX)
Volkswagen Kubelwagen = Volkswagen Thing
Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2023 11:59 AM (gmo/4)

You want a Mahendra off road Jeep.

I think I saw one with a "Willy's" tail gate on it so it would look street legal.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (xhaym)

379 Anyone else notice the new Ford commercials' tag line?

"100% assembled in America."

No longer "Built in America."

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (vnQk4)

380 It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at September 11, 2023 11:59 AM (KVYjx)

The sun's out !

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (T4tVD)

381 311
'AIDs relief is still an emergency?'

The people that hate us and always vote against us will drop dead if we don't vote for that funding?

Yeah, let's keep doing that.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 11, 2023 12:03 PM (udBxu)

382 Ah, so now Sweet Little Baby Zesus is ordering his diaspora to menace their host countries. Lovely.

This would be hilarious if it weren't so serious.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 12:03 PM (0FoWg)

383 Anyone else notice the new Ford commercials' tag line?

"100% assembled in America."

Yeah, that's not the selling point they seem to think it is.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (I/Qkd)

384 I live in Manhattan and don't think I've seen an outdoor charging station. Maybe out on the outskirts of Manhattan. Most public charging stations are installed in indoor public garages, which isn't an option unless you are willing and able to spend the equivalent of a car payment (at least) on monthly parking.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (iFTx/)

I live in Queens but work / spend most of my time in Manhattan. I don't know of any public chargers in Queens, either. But it would be a bit more feasible than Manhattan.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (mj0Qp)

385 You mean if Ford or GM go under it’s NOT the fault of free trade but of stupid decisions made of their own freewill?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

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They'll re-tool all of the factories to only produce not really cars that 35k-50K wealthy people want each year, and when 30M people reject the products they'll blame the free market.

I assume the government will give them billions in bailout money, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (f6/GE)

386 The left couldn't even succeed in imposing a 55 mph speed limit. There's no way John Q. is going to give up his car keys.

Posted by: creeper at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (cTCuP)

387 [Ah, so now Sweet Little Baby Zesus is ordering his diaspora to menace their host countries. Lovely.

This would be hilarious if it weren't so serious.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 12:03 PM (0FoWg)

Perhaps he wants his cannon fodder back.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (aD39U)

388 >>The fact is, the Left is still pushing Maurice Strong's Agenda 21 because the West is too successful.

A key element of the plan laid out by Strong and his cohorts at the Club of Rome was massive depopulation.

When you realize that the end goal calls for more than half of the current population being removed everything makes a lot more sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)

389 It is far easier to maintain and get parts for a VW Type 181 Thing/Safari than it is for a Type 82 Kubelwagen.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:01 PM (vnQk4)

The Thing is a Kubelwagen for posers. Has no real off-road ability at all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (fape4)

390 If you drive an EV in heavy rain, will it catch fire?

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2023 12:05 PM (AwYPR)

391 a Type 82 Kubelwagen.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:01 PM (vnQk4)

Grand Turismo 5 made you drive one of those for a challenge to get a license.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 12:05 PM (tjClK)

392 Isn't the Thing the one that you can use as a boat?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2023 12:05 PM (/EuRN)

393 >>I live in Queens but work / spend most of my time in Manhattan. I don't know of any public chargers in Queens, either. But it would be a bit more feasible than Manhattan.

I knew of one in Staten Island. Until it burned down.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 12:05 PM (ZLI7S)

394 Agree with Anna, making the USA a equal of the rest of the world is their goal, energy or military

Posted by: Skip at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (KVYjx)

395 You just had to know anyone the American media loved so unconditionally as Sweet Baby Z was a total fuckin' prick.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (0FoWg)

396 If you drive an EV in heavy rain, will it catch fire?

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I know Ford says not to get the bumper of the F150 EV wet.

You know. Like when you're launching a boat.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (f6/GE)

397 390 If you drive an EV in heavy rain, will it catch fire?

raining heavy water?

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (oY6Yp)

398 374 I've never understood the fascination with Corvettes. They've always been shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 11, 2023 11:22 AM (tjClK)

Ok, Sponge, my brother, I never suspected CBD was right about you...

https://tinyurl.com/8nbbxavs
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Corvettes are fine as long as you don't have shoulders.
I was a passenger and couldn't figure out why I couldn't get comfortable in a 2 hr trip into the mountains.
I looked after the ride up and the seats are made for runts. I am not a runt.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (5fPWA)
____________

I've driven pretty much every Vette that's C4 or later on the track. They are all good drives for the years in which they were sold. The C8 is quite good. But the interiors on all of them are tiny. If you are tall, then that will be a deal-breaker.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (iFTx/)

399 What brand of gasser can take a 300 foot fall with 4 passengers suffering only minor injuries?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (9rYNN)

It's not the fall that kills you. It's the sudden stop at the bottom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (fape4)

400 I see a public charger every afternoon on my way home, right at the curb by a small public park. It invariably has a car already hooked up to it -- usually what looks like the same white Tesla.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (J2vNu)

The ones I see outside are usually in good shape except for the ones the urban outdoorsmen turn into a makeshift latrine now and then.

They like having something to lean up against as they evacuate their bowels.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (xsBhv)

401 A key element of the plan laid out by Strong and his cohorts at the Club of Rome was massive depopulation.

When you realize that the end goal calls for more than half of the current population being removed everything makes a lot more sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)

The Wu Han lab is working on that as we speak.

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2023 12:06 PM (AwYPR)

402 392 Isn't the Thing the one that you can use as a boat?

no, that's the schwimmwagen.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 12:07 PM (oY6Yp)

403 363 I had a VW Thing, 1973 with the gas heater. It was the most fun car I ever had (went away after pregnant bride couldn't get in and out). In the DC area, Bride and I double dated with SiL and hubby. Went to the drive in. Top down,folded down the windshield and when it got a little cool just fired up the gas heater. Anyway, there was a carload of third world types a couple slots down. One comes up, gives us thumbs up and said something like secret police in my country use car like yours.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 12:07 PM (0EOe9)

404 369 “To be fair, CEOs Mary Barra (GM) and Jim Farley (Ford) are aggressively destroying their companies too in pursuit of the EV fantasy, so their compensation is also preposterous, even if it is just a fraction of Rawlinson’s.”

You mean if Ford or GM go under it’s NOT the fault of free trade but of stupid decisions made of their own freewill?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2023 12:00 PM (1i9eG)
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& it has nothing to do with Govt intervention or threat thereof.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 11, 2023 12:07 PM (9rYNN)

405 I believe Willy's is a model that Jeep sells, as I have seen them around just a few days ago.

Posted by: colin at September 11, 2023 12:07 PM (YZw9y)

406 AoP

Never said anything about off-road capability. Just it is far easier to acquire Type 151 pans and 1600cc DP engines than the 1100cc Type 82 motor and pans...

Then there is the issue of a non-synchro transmission of the Type 82 versus the synchronized transmission of the Type 181. Double clutch anyone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:08 PM (vnQk4)

407 EVs should have created a change in the Left’s opposition to nuclear power. Nuclear is the only way EVs will ever be viable.

Posted by: Drive by at September 11, 2023 12:08 PM (MNhXM)

408 If you drive an EV in heavy rain, will it catch fire?

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2023 12:05 PM (AwYPR)

Watch out for salt water like from a storm surge or at the beach.

Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2023 12:08 PM (gmo/4)

409 I looked it up -- 14 public EV chargers in NYC, looks like 6 in UES, 6 in UWS, two on West 164th.

I actually know where 2 of the UES EV chargers are located -- on east end ave, in front of gracie mansion. I've only ever seen cars with govt tags there, I didn't realize that those spots were theoretically open to the public.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 12:08 PM (mj0Qp)

410 The Thing is a Kubelwagen for posers. Has no real off-road ability at all.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Honestly? I'd take a British Ferret and be done with it.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 12:09 PM (SEDrX)

411 Yes, I want a Kübelwagen Thing too!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 12:09 PM (krqg6)

412 I live in Manhattan and don't think I've seen an outdoor charging station.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 11, 2023 12:02 PM (iFTx/)

Wow...now that I think about it, I haven't seen one either!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 11, 2023 12:09 PM (lQONO)

413 Isn't the Thing the one that you can use as a boat?

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I think there was a Nazi one but I don't remember the name. There was an Amphicar that had pretty decent success here in the U.S. There's a guy that brings one out to car shows and he'll win every time if there's a lake nearby because he drives up honking on the water.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 12:09 PM (f6/GE)

414
ECE - external combustion engines.

Stanley Steamer

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2023 12:09 PM (63Dwl)

415 "How do they plan to have 15 minute cities when there's not enough living spaces around work sites?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2023 11:51 AM (SEDrX)"

You get a specific traveling pass to take the public transit from your assigned ghetto to your job site, assuming you're allowed to work outside of it.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 12:09 PM (8umef)

416 Happy Tesla shareholder here! And Tesla is not just about EVs, nor the current generation of EVs.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at September 11, 2023 12:10 PM (Y9yUc)

417 Schwimmkubelwagen - swimming bucket car.

After the war we got the Amphicar... IIRC they are far more collectible than the Schwimmwagen because they rusted out fast.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:10 PM (vnQk4)

418 A key element of the plan laid out by Strong and his cohorts at the Club of Rome was massive depopulation.

When you realize that the end goal calls for more than half of the current population being removed everything makes a lot more sense.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)

Alex Jones called one of his two websites Prison Planet for that reason. Said the end goal was to massively depopulate the planet.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 11, 2023 12:10 PM (mj0Qp)

419 >>I think there was a Nazi one but I don't remember the name. There was an Amphicar that had pretty decent success here in the U.S. There's a guy that brings one out to car shows and he'll win every time if there's a lake nearby because he drives up honking on the water.

Maxwell Smart had one.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 12:10 PM (ZLI7S)

420 Perhaps he wants his cannon fodder back.

There are rumors that some European countries are considering deporting Ukrainian males of military age back to Ukraine so they can be drafted, but nothing concrete yet.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 11, 2023 12:10 PM (2tUFv)

421 New one -New Mexico

Posted by: Archimedes at September 11, 2023 12:11 PM (I/Qkd)

422 The fact is, our headlong descent into climate chaos is very, very likely to continue and accelerate unless we change fundamentally the way we live, which probably means fewer cars, smaller homes, much less air travel, less red meat and, frankly, less comfort and convenience for you.

Edited for clarity.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 11, 2023 12:11 PM (ljQnD)

423 403 363 I had a VW Thing, 1973 with the gas heater. ... One comes up, gives us thumbs up and said something like secret police in my country use car like yours.

when i lived in stuttgart, was once visited by the polizei showing off their autobahn pursuit 911. painted green and white with a blue light on top, just like their beetles.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 12:11 PM (oY6Yp)

424 Also, Tim Dillon exploded during an ad read for Bird Dogs about the media's love affair with Z. Disgusting and hilarious tirade about it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2023 12:11 PM (lF/K8)

425 Yep, you and I are the carbon they wish to reduce.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 11, 2023 12:11 PM (MeG8a)

426 But hobos peeing into NYC EV chargers will solve the unhoused problem!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 12:12 PM (krqg6)

427 The revolutionary thing about the era ushered in by Ford's affordable car was that of freedom of movement. It was the single greatest tool of personal autonomy in the 20th century. It would make sense that such freedom would be anathema to leftists. "Next thing you know, people will be suggesting they have unalienable rights!" they cry.

Posted by: red speck at September 11, 2023 12:12 PM (0Id0S)

428 Maxwell Smart had one.
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Maxwell Smart drove a Sunbeam Tiger. The one with the small V-8 engine installed.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 12:12 PM (pLaQB)

429 413 Schwimmerwagen. VW Thing actually had drain plugs you could pull if it rained with the top down. Also, the Kubelwagen was called that not due to construction, but the shape of the seats. Bucket car.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 12:13 PM (0EOe9)

430 Your chances of getting robbed or attacked while you are waiting to charge your electric vehicle dramatically increase, especially if you're a woman.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 11, 2023 12:13 PM (NpAcC)

431 I believe Willy's is a model that Jeep sells, as I have seen them around just a few days ago.
Posted by: colin at September 11, 2023 12:07 PM (YZw9y)

A little history. The Jeep as we know it was invented by Bantam Motors for the war effort in the 1940's. The FedGov wanted a great many of them, and didn't think Bantam had the capacity, and simply gave the contract to Willys, another relatively small car builder. And when Willys couldn't meet all the demand, they added Ford as a producer, making a nearly exact copy of the Willys version.

Willys continued making the Willys Jeep after the war, for many years. Eventually bought out by AMC, and then AMC was bought out by Chrysler. I think there are aftermarket tailgates you can buy with "Willys" embossed upon them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2023 12:14 PM (fape4)

432 428 Maxwell Smart had one.
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Maxwell Smart drove a Sunbeam Tiger.

depending on season, he also drove a vw karmann ghia and an opel whose name i've forgotten.

Posted by: anachronda at September 11, 2023 12:14 PM (oY6Yp)

433 >>Maxwell Smart drove a Sunbeam Tiger. The one with the small V-8 engine installed.

Yea, that was his main ride. But at least one episode he drove one of those amphibious cars. It was KAOS.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2023 12:15 PM (ZLI7S)

434 SNOOD

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 11, 2023 12:15 PM (krqg6)

435 I can't help but assume even a lot of people here who should know better either don't fully understand, or fully believe, what the progs have in mind for the near future. "I'm a taxpayer! I'm a citizen! I have rights!" Yeah sure you do, gramps, let's get you inside for your nap.

This is my constant beef with VDH: not policy or ideology, but failing to understand what time it is.

They're serious about this and they're busy laying the groundwork both with media battlespace prerp and generic government jackbootery. No idea if they'll succeed, or if they'll chicken out and wave off, but they DO mean to do this.

Posted by: somedood at September 11, 2023 12:15 PM (8umef)

436 432 428 Maxwell Smart had one.
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Maxwell Smart drove a Sunbeam Tiger.

depending on season, he also drove a vw karmann ghia and an opel whose name i've forgotten.
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Opel had the mini vette thing going for a few years. It was pretty cool.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 12:16 PM (pLaQB)

437 One of the things I had to get used to seeing when we moved to South Dakota from New York 11 years ago, were UTVs licensed for road use.

Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2023 12:16 PM (gmo/4)

438 The Opel mini-vette, was it a Manta Ray or something?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2023 12:16 PM (vnQk4)

439 431 IIRC Bantam was given a few crumbs and got a trailer contract. I imagine those would be worth a pretty penny coupled with a WW2 Jeep.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 12:17 PM (0EOe9)

440 Re: Willys

Just because it's interesting:

The Toyota Landcruiser / Lexus LX### came about because America needed more jeeps for Korea and offered contracts for a design. Toyota came up with the Land Cruiser.

Neat to think that vehicle exists entirely because of the Korean War.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 11, 2023 12:17 PM (f6/GE)

441 438 Opel GT.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 11, 2023 12:17 PM (0EOe9)

442 438 The Opel mini-vette, was it a Manta Ray or something?
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Yeah. I don't remember its name but it looked like Manta Ray that got shrunk in the wash.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 11, 2023 12:18 PM (pLaQB)

443 Just got back from a Labor day trip to Myrtle Beach, SC. I towed my 32 ft RV with my Chevy Silverado 2500HD and ran the AC non stop the whole week while eating Steaks and Smoking Cigars.
i am doing my part!

Posted by: Shaftoe at September 11, 2023 12:19 PM (Rvxb7)

444 Usually I try to explain things and provide supporting links. Today I don't have time and you get short shrift mode.

EVs are the future, because most people are going to choose to buy them. I drive a Tesla and I prefer it to other cars, even for long road trips.

Tesla is driving prices down on EVs, and this is hurting every other company which is trying to sell EVs. Other EVs cost more and give less, and are piling up on dealer lots as a result.

If Tesla was running diesel generators to drive a Supercharger station, that's no different from Tesla using diesel trucks to ship things. In the long term it won't be necessary, but if it is necessary in the short term, they will just do it.

For long-term parking of an EV, turn off convenience and safety features (cabin overheat protection, Sentry Mode, etc.) and parking for extended periods should be fine.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 11, 2023 12:57 PM (LNPSJ)

445 Do you still believe that Trump's vowing to do something has any positive correlation with Trump's actually doing something?

Posted by: Bert the Samoan Lawyer at September 11, 2023 12:58 PM (6lQVA)

446
Tesla's "Secret Team" thing is overblown. When customers wanted to bring the car in for service, and remote diagnostics showed that the car didn't actually have a problem, they would contact the customer and save the customer a needless service visit. Some customers thought the EPA estimates for range should always be achieved, not considering issues like uphill driving, fast driving, headwinds, etc. can reduce range.

EV fires are much less of a problem than gasoline car fires, because gasoline burns easily. When an EV battery pack lights on fire it can be impressive. Many future EVs will use a technology called "LFP" where the battery pack is heavier but less prone to burning and costs less.

Again, I think most people will choose to buy an EV in the near future, because costs are still falling and the cars are really nice to own and drive. Also, my house has solar panels and I can charge my own car; it's somewhat harder to make your own gasoline at home. I have no patience for the people who say we all need to suffer to Save The Planet; we don't actually need to suffer.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 11, 2023 01:02 PM (LNPSJ)

447 Trump spoke about EVs without knowing what he's talking about. If he's the candidate I'll vote for him, but he's not winning me over with the EV stuff.

Lucid's CEO is overpaid. Lucid cars are arguably a bit more luxurious than Tesla cars, but they cost tremendously more and Lucid is having trouble finding people who want to pay that much for an EV.

Rivian did the smart thing of selling products in a market segment that Tesla is not yet competing in. They might succeed in carving out their own niche. The pie will be so huge that they can do okay on a slice of it.

VinFast doesn't really seem like they have a good reason to succeed against Tesla.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 11, 2023 01:05 PM (LNPSJ)

448 I'll try to join an ONT sometime and answer questions if anyone has some, but for now I have to go.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 11, 2023 01:06 PM (LNPSJ)

449 "Better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven."

---Satanic Left-wingers everywhere

Posted by: Beverly at September 11, 2023 03:17 PM (Epeb0)

450 448 I'll try to join an ONT sometime and answer questions if anyone has some, but for now I have to go.

Posted by: mr_jack at September 11, 2023 01:06 PM (LNPSJ)

No, thanks. As was stated in the post - if you want your EV, fine, but I want an ICE until we really do reach peak oil.

At the end - believe what they say - we are all peons who should be happy to be alive. Leave the luxury to them.

Posted by: Jake Speed at September 11, 2023 03:30 PM (Vu1jV)

451 Another thing about charging and EVs. If my car runs out of gas in most places, I can walk to a gas station, pay for a 5 gallon (or even 1 gallon can - if it's going to get you 20 miles, that's plenty to get you back to where you walked to), pay for 5 gallons of gas, and hump that 30lb can back to your car and Vroom!

If your EV goes down, you can either wait for a rescue vehicle, wait for a tow truck, or walk somewhere to rent a generator.......
There is NO WAY to carry something with enough charge a mile or two to get you going and out of the actual emergency. (A lead-acid battery might weigh less than 30 pounds. I don't know.)

As to the CEOs - they better have a clause that lets them sell the stock before they leave the company. Otherwise, when the company goes, so does their stock.

Posted by: GWB at September 11, 2023 05:15 PM (M+Nrs)

452 We did a quick 700 mile road trip this weekend in Montana. We'd still be on the road if we had to rely on an EV. A look at a map reveals just five chargers of any kind on that route, the first one 350 miles into our trip. Only two towns that we passed through had as many as 2000 residents. Cell coverage was missing for hours at a time.

Driving off the interstate across Texas in the summer and Montana in the winter should be required for all those advocating EV ownership. If they survive, we'll talk.

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