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Come Back, Australia!

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How can Australia have a Minister for Women when most people in Parliament can't define a woman???

I remember a time when some people around here thought that if the government got too oppressive, especially in places like California, they could always move to Australia, where people appreciate freedom. Somehow, that impression changed over the years - - and really changed with COVID.

But there are still some people pushing back against the totalitarian tendencies we see in Australia (especially worrisome because China is not all that far away) and elsewhere.

Pushing back against trans madness

It is shocking how people who question the current (U.S.) orthodoxy about "gender dysphoria" are demonized just for asking questions. Most European countries have backed off the "affirmation model" still being pushed here with something approaching rage, but I guess Australia hasn't really caught on to the European trend yet, either.

Dr. Jillian Spencer is a child psychiatrist who was kicked out of her job in Queensland for questioning the trans affirmation model, causing something of a stir:

The Australian Doctors Federation is in communication with Dr Jillian Spencer, a child psychiatrist who has been stood down in Queensland over allegations relating to the treatment of gender dysphoria in children.

Dr Spencer's situation raises serious questions about the independence of medical decision making, being a reminder that good clinical practice must determine what is in the best interests of the patient.

Gender dysphoria in children and its skilled and considered medical management are the subject of ongoing debate, both in Australia and internationally. There is a particular obligation to first do no harm when making medical decisions during a particularly volatile period of a person's development, especially should the outcome potentially not accord with later mature reflection.

It is essential for good medicine and societal well-being that there is open and unbigoted debate about the merits or otherwise of relevant treatment protocols, and that medical decision-making be guided by evidence rather than bias or ideology.

The ADF is aware that the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists is currently revising its Position Statement 103: Recognising and addressing the mental health needs of people experiencing Gender Dysphoria/ Gender Incongruence and appreciates its commitment to considering an extensive range of evidence and its thoughtful and respectful approach to this sensitive topic.

Progress! Women's Forum in Australia has also started pushing back, with interviews of Dr. Spencer and also young detransitioners.

Mike Nayna is the Australian videographer who did the multi-part videos on the Evergreen State College crisis over Bret Weinstein. He has picked up a short clip from an interview of Dr. Spencer. In the video clip below, she connects the robot-like adherence to the "affirmation model" to deep problems in the academic publishing process. I recommend watching it. It's short. She doesn't seem at all like a hate-filled fascist, which is what she would be called by some of our journalists and politicians.

The part about a crisis in academic publishing is right up Mike Nayna's alley. See the Twitter thread.

Activist researchers are essentially laundering political opinions as established facts through the peer review process. The problem is a new form of epistemological (how we know what we know) activism that contorts knowledge resources from the source - academic journals.

This gives activists the appearance of expertise that grants them standing within institutions to make radical changes based on laundered evidence. The 'affirmation model' Jillian mentions is only one downstream effect of this problem & many more will surface.

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Here in the USA, Dr. McNamara, pediatrics professor at Yale, recommends no safeguards for children because "children know who they are". However, she can't name a study that shows that transition helps kids.

Response to Dr. McNamara by Dr. Miriam Grossman. Clear language. Wow.

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Don't worry about being called transphobic.

Worry about "the authorities". In Australia, in California and in other states. Push back while you still can.

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Pushing back:

Check the thread.

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Crisis in Academic Publishing, Climate Division

Does anybody remember back in 2007 when Richard Fernandez in Australia wrote in the old Belmont Club about post-normal science and its use as proof of global warming? So, basically this is science which ignores or opposes science that does not fit a political narrative. I loved the comment threads on those posts.

And the posts above were too prescient. Some people have pushed back since then, but they have generally faced a lot of opposition, including ostracism and even legal actions.

This is from just a few days ago. Hope this guy's timing and advanced preparation allow his action to be effective without too much blow-back.

Patrick T Brown, September 5, 2023:

I Left Out the Full Truth to Get My Climate Change Paper Published

I just got published in Nature because I stuck to a narrative I knew the editors would like. That's not the way science should work.

Well, no.

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What you are not likely to see much about in congressional hearings:

Global warming from Underwater Tongan Volcanoes.

Doesn't fit the narrative, exactly.

Not sure if you will hear in Congress from this guy, senior advisor at Washington, D.C.'s Atlantic Council and the prime author of the "shock and awe" military doctrine (how did that doctrine work out in the long run?). He wrote a position piece in The Hill reminding us that fossil fuels solved a big problem with horse pollution in New York City. He said something nice about fossil fuels and cars!!!!

He suggested that innovation would save the day with regard to climate change, but also noted that we needed to do some other things, like creating a national energy policy, since China and India cannot do things like that.

He hopes that maybe when the Panama Canal goes dry it will shake up the wokesters and most on the right enough to get over their fear of nuclear power.

But 100 million Americans already live or work within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant, so I don't think fear is the primary obstacle. Those plants seem to be working out better than wind and solar in Texas. Or even in Australia.

Germany's phase-out of nuclear energy (and return to coal) seems to have been driven by the political class and is opposed in polls. Nuclear power takes the focus off equity.

The author of the piece in The Hill suggests that "climate change" would be the only reason for water shortages in the Panama Canal for the first time since 1914. It was an El Nino year this year and some fully loaded ships had to offload part of their loads, and wait times for ships were increased. He knows that "climate deniers" would never accept that climate would be the only reason for the canal going dry. But CBD wrote a post back in 2016 based on a long NYT article which suggested that the newly expanded canal was a risk right from the start. This year is actually the second year with traffic reductions since 2016.

The piece in The Hill doesn't seem to me to be based in sound science, since neither the author nor the editors even seem to have realized that the canal system is much bigger than it was in 1914.

Don't know that the think tanks are going to be the source of much planet-saving innovation.

He does mention the need for lots more charging stations for the hundreds of millions or billions of electric cars which will be needed to replace gas cars. But this could take longer than we think:

The Harris Ranch Tesla Supercharger has a couple of things going for it that have made it a part of Tesla enthusiasts' lore: It's one of the electric car giant's first Supercharger stations, and with 98 charging bays, it's also the biggest in the world. . .

But as with many Tesla-related things, there is a secret, thinly obscured by an Oz-like curtain, at the Harris Ranch Supercharger. Hidden in plain sight across the way from the Harris Ranch Supercharger's main stations, behind a Shell station, is a small diesel plant that has helped power Tesla's footprint.

To be fair, that's pretty consistent with Tesla's overall strategy: When the Going Gets Tough, the Electric go Petrol. Electric car-maker Tesla isn't taking any range risks in Australia with their support vehicles. When they need to repair their breakdown-prone plug buggies, Tesla use reliable, petrol-powered Mitsubishis.

And what is all this talk about billions of electric cars when Mayor Pete is talking about moving us away from personal vehicles?

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The Deputy Secretary of the U.S. Department of Energy has no idea what he is doing. How could he possibly have any idea what he is supposed to be doing, given the emotionalism of current progressive climate policy and "climate science"?

Push back. Clarify. Make them be specific.


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Music

Let It Shine

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs


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Last week's thread, September 2, Some of the kids are okay

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

From our own Dr _ No:

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Posted by: K.T. at 11:03 AM




Comments

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1 I called 'em.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 09, 2023 11:04 AM (qPw5n)

2 Thanks, KT!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2023 11:05 AM (isNL8)

3 When will sanity enter this world ?

Posted by: runner at September 09, 2023 11:08 AM (V13WU)

4 What they really want is to tattoo a number on our forearms. You know in your heart this is true. Fight or don't fight. The choice is yours.

Posted by: Eromero at September 09, 2023 11:11 AM (z3WCn)

5 What they really want is to tattoo a number on our forearms.

Nah - retinal scans.

We can use that to control movement and everything else about you.

Posted by: America's Color Revolution! at September 09, 2023 11:13 AM (2tUFv)

6 "What they really want is to tattoo a number on our forearms."

But they also want to outlaw gas ovens.


So we have that going for us.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2023 11:13 AM (isNL8)

7 I figure (hope) at some point the left's continuous poking will get the result I desire.

The shredding of arms and legs.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

8 What they really want is to tattoo a number on our forearms. You know in your heart this is true. Fight or don't fight. The choice is yours.
Posted by: Eromero

Heart plug for that up close and personal end that the fascists so deeply enjoy... or microexplosives embedded on the brainstem before they let your kids into school or get food... for more productive cleansing.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 11:15 AM (ga8qR)

9 Well, California's new transgender child law is really gonna put some folks in the 'I was made to care' column.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2023 11:15 AM (isNL8)

10 What I don't understand about the Sydney Opera House is do they put on Australian operas there? Crikey, It's the Magic Flute! Figaro Figaro Figaro Crikey!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 11:17 AM (FVME7)

11 Senator Kennedy really had that DOE parasite wrapped around himself like the snake that he is. Defund the whole damn DOE already and be done with it. Enough with the carbon neutral bullshit.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 09, 2023 11:19 AM (Zvtjl)

12 And the Australian dollar is in the crapper.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 09, 2023 11:22 AM (RIvkX)

13 In our weekly bulletin at Mass last week there was a statement from our bishop stating that children who attend Catholic schools in our diocese will be referred to as their birth name or appropriate nickname, will use the bathrooms and participate in the activities appropriate for their birth gender, and will not be referred to by any different pronouns. I was glad to see it.

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 09, 2023 11:22 AM (W9fmc)

14 The answer my friend, is blowin in the wind

Posted by: Idiot Bob Dylan at September 09, 2023 11:22 AM (ufFY8)

15 I had the thought of moving to Australia eons ago. Interestingly, at the time emigrating there was very difficult, so I never bothered to try.

I don't think it's the same now, or maybe it is unless you're a muzzie.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:22 AM (QBaJw)

16 If you replaces Australian despots with Chinese despots, would the country people notice a difference?

Posted by: greg at September 09, 2023 11:23 AM (KtqAF)

17 This kind of thread could generate comments that drove Ace to nuke a recent post of similar content...

IOW - I have extreme difficulty distinguishing between overt pedo perverts and thos who claim them are 'helping' children by sexually mutilating them... in fact, I find the later the far greater evil. Life in a padded supr-max cell just large enough to hold them and their shit bucket. Feed can come through a funnel in the door.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 11:23 AM (ga8qR)

18 I saw this week where utility companies were warning Texans to limit their electricity use lest there be rolling blackouts. Splendid.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 11:23 AM (u73oe)

19 Nukes. Nuclear power is what is needed.

Saefedean Ammous discusses small modular reactors with Ryan MacLeod (He wants to talk about bitcoin mining, but that is a minority of the podcast, mostly they talk about nukes going forward)

One of the problems with nuke plants is that they put out so much energy there is a need to throttle them back or find something extra to use the overproduction on. Some would be for making fertilizer, or desalinating sea water, but bitcoin mining is another option

https://tinyurl.com/3jf4avkw

Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:24 AM (xhaym)

20 I saw this week where utility companies were warning Texans to limit their electricity use lest there be rolling blackouts. Splendid.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

So, get the house down to 65 before they cut the juice?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 11:25 AM (ga8qR)

21 If you replaces Australian despots with Chinese despots, would the country people notice a difference?
Posted by: greg at September 09, 2023 11:23 AM (KtqAF)

That's basically what already happened. Their pols are bought by Chi Nah, even more so than ours.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:26 AM (QBaJw)

22
Defund the whole damn DOE already and be done with it.

Nobody's ever going to defund ANYTHING.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2023 11:26 AM (63Dwl)

23 The primary example of a well worn cliche for everything is about to get worse is no longer "I am from the government and I am here to help," but "I am a child psychologist and I am here to help."

Posted by: Lost In Space at September 09, 2023 11:27 AM (+shHP)

24 had the thought of moving to Australia eons ago. Interestingly, at the time emigrating there was very difficult, so I never bothered to try.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:22 AM (QBaJw)

I seem to remember that Australia and New Zealand used to have restrictive emigration policies. Now, I don’t know.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (hZbnZ)

25 18>> Got one of those emails from TXU, asking to reduce consumption between 5 and 9 for the next couple of days. Someone else pointed out that’s around the time folks are commuting home and recharging their EVs.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (YRsIm)

26 I saw this week where utility companies were warning Texans to limit their electricity use lest there be rolling blackouts. Splendid.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

So, get the house down to 65 before they cut the juice?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 11:25 AM (ga8qR)

Word on the street is that's what "smart" thermostats will be used for. So Big Brother can tap into your appliances that are wifi'd, and turn them up/down for you, when you're overusing.

Or at the very least monitor, so when your AC and fridge and washing machine etc are expected to use THIS much, and yet your energy usage exceeds the allowed use, they'll shut you down for a while.

No more teevee time for you, citizen.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (QBaJw)

27 Defund the whole damn DOE already and be done with it.

Nobody's ever going to defund ANYTHING.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2023 11:26 AM (63Dwl)


Not until enough rise up and defund everything and we start over.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (uSHSS)

28 What they really want is to tattoo a number on our forearms.

Nah - retinal scans.

We can use that to control movement and everything else about you.
Posted by: America's Color Revolution!

Chinese State Media Tout ESG, Say It Looks a Lot Like Their Social Credit System

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It's nice to know that the Mao's Cultural Revolution murderers approve.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (FVME7)

29 The primary example of a well worn cliche for everything is about to get worse is no longer "I am from the government and I am here to help," but "I am a child psychologist and I am here to help."
Posted by: Lost In Space at September 09, 2023 11:27 AM (+shHP)
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I was friendly with a guy who was elected state senator who was a child psychologist.

Yeah he's at Santa Rita for the last 10 years doing a long hitch for gun-running for the CCP.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (RIvkX)

30 Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:22 AM (QBaJw)

I seem to remember that Australia and New Zealand used to have restrictive emigration policies. Now, I don’t know.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (hZbnZ)

Yeah, you basically had to be able to show that your particular set of skills are useful to them. If you couldn't they wouldn't allow you in.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:31 AM (QBaJw)

31 After Australia's insane response to COVID, and the majority's acceptance, I ruthlessly mock and deride them when they go on about how badass they are and how they always face such deadly threats on the daily with amused indifference.

Posted by: McLurkerson at September 09, 2023 11:32 AM (wNDOJ)

32 Modular nukes are always just five years off. Just like fusion reactions.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2023 11:34 AM (63Dwl)

33 Australia, where everything is trying to kill you...including the government.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 11:34 AM (u73oe)

34 I think all the utility companies have been instructed to tell their customers to expect rolling blackouts. You don't have to wonder why. You know why.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 11:35 AM (Q4IgG)

35 You should have noted the smackdownee was to the speakers right. Extra delicious.

Posted by: DOYLE at September 09, 2023 11:35 AM (Z8Yh2)

36 Not until enough rise up and defund everything and we start over.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (uSHSS)

I'm not making any predictions, but this is the kind of thing that CAN happen suddenly. Whatever the triggering event, it's basically going to have to be a major upheaval that causes the normals to realize the government isn't their friend.

Could be Covid 23, could be them killing a popular politician, could be the total collapse of the banking/housing markets. It ain't gonna be pretty, but the duck tape and paperclips holding the thing together right now are not that far from bursting.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:36 AM (QBaJw)

37 Hot and cold running insanity.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 11:36 AM (zZu0s)

38 Last evening a fellow asked m if I really think the 2020 election was stolen. In response I asked him if he really believes Biden got more votes nationally than Obama, or even more votes in Philadelphia than Obama. Stopped him cold: he couldn't admit Obama is less popular than Biden among black voters, so he changed the subject. We moved on to global warming (fraud). Hahaha.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:36 AM (IEIP9)

39 "One of the problems with nuke plants is that they put out so much energy there is a need to throttle them back or find something extra to use the overproduction on. "

Duke energy has a nuke plant, and a Hydro plant upstate.

Two lakes, with the hydro plant at the dam between the two and the cooling for the nuke plant at the lower lake.

During low demand, they use massive electric pumps to pump some of the water back UP to the first lake.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2023 11:38 AM (isNL8)

40 Yeah he's at Santa Rita for the last 10 years doing a long hitch for gun-running for the CCP.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (RIvkX)

A child pee sigh collergist is a gun runner? Wouldn't it be easier for him to be in the child trafficking biz? He's already got access to the product.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:38 AM (QBaJw)

41 Stay in your lane, folks. Is all I'm sayin'.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:38 AM (QBaJw)

42 "Click the thread" if you have a Twitter account.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (kjOVp)

43 I was friendly with a guy who was elected state senator who was a child psychologist.

Yeah he's at Santa Rita for the last 10 years doing a long hitch for gun-running for the CCP.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 09, 2023 11:30 AM (RIvkX)

I used to work with a person that was a PhD psychologist, over coffee one morning, in a moment of weird honesty, said most of us (psychologists) have Mommy issues and are trying to work through it. Or something close to that. I still remember that.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (hZbnZ)

44 I saw Candace Owens on Brian Atlas's Whatever podcast discussing tranny madness.

She asked the guests on the show can a white person identify as black? No.

Then but you believe a man can identify as a woman? Yes

So what is the difference? And the guests struggled. Their final answer? Because white people are white not black. But a man can be a woman.

Which is...not an answer it is just repeating dogma be a deluded zealot.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (lc5cP)

45 Senator Kennedy really had that DOE parasite wrapped around himself like the snake that he is. Defund the whole damn DOE already and be done with it. Enough with the carbon neutral bullshit.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 09, 2023 11:19 AM (Zvtjl)
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that DOE turd really needs to get his act together.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (IEIP9)

46 More money in guns I think. Bigger market I hope.

Posted by: DOYLE at September 09, 2023 11:40 AM (Z8Yh2)

47 What they really want is to tattoo a number on our forearms.

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A tattoo is crude, primitive and easily faked.

All the cool kids are sporting subcutaneous RFID chips.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 11:42 AM (bQKgA)

48 Gotta go.


later.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2023 11:42 AM (isNL8)

49 Modular nukes are always just five years off. Just like fusion reactions.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2023 11:34 AM (63Dwl)

Apparently that is because that is how long it takes to make the components and install them onsite

Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:43 AM (xhaym)

50 Wind farms suck.

That is all.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 11:43 AM (uSHSS)

51 > that DOE turd really needs to get his act together.
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But, there's really no "act" to get together is there? I mean, it's all bullshit anyway. The question that needs to be asked is; "How much money will it take for you to claim the climate crisis has been averted?"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 11:44 AM (Q4IgG)

52 Until the 70s immigration to Australia was limited to Europe and with a heavy emphasis on British immigration. Then they did what we did in 1965 and what Canada did in the 80s and what Britain did in the 90s: opened the door to the 3rd world. And all 4 countries, once rock solid democracies with a tradition of freedom of speech and a general leave me the fuck alone attitude, turned into 3rd world shitholes, where govt has authority over every aspect of your life. It’s not coincidental.

Posted by: Montec at September 09, 2023 11:45 AM (bWsRe)

53 Thank you all for tracking the insane. Someone has to do it. I couldn't do it.

These people are all nutso and driven by madness to harm their neighbors. We need more pit bulls in this fight to weed out the lunatics.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 11:45 AM (KVGVf)

54 A couple of weeks ago we had a door to door salesman selling solar panels. Next door neighbor fell for it. $30k to save $200 a month on electricity.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 11:45 AM (u73oe)

55 Facial recognition technology is good too.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 11:45 AM (bQKgA)

56 And the Australian dollar is in the crapper.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Good thing I just went !

Posted by: JT at September 09, 2023 11:46 AM (T4tVD)

57 Stopped him cold: he couldn't admit Obama is less popular than Biden among black voters, so he changed the subject. We moved on to global warming (fraud). Hahaha.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:36 AM (IEIP9)

Good on ya for doing that. Frankly, I don’t talk to anyone about anything political , because you just never know who the next red-flag Karen is.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:46 AM (hZbnZ)

58 @39 but is the upper lake named "Griggs"?
Because you can't mention Duke around here without citing his first name, Griggs v.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 09, 2023 11:46 AM (4PZHB)

59 The Aussie child psychiatrist is so calmly rational, even as she describes the severity of the crisis facing families with children who might get caught up in this insanity. They may as well put up a sign on the hospital doors,

"Abandon hope, all ye who enter here"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:46 AM (IEIP9)

60 TBF with the way the left is restoring cheap energy sources soon enough those savings will be more like $1000 a month.

Posted by: Montec at September 09, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)

61 I used to work with a person that was a PhD psychologist, over coffee one morning, in a moment of weird honesty, said most of us (psychologists) have Mommy issues and are trying to work through it. Or something close to that. I still remember that.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (hZbnZ)

Someone here got mad at me recently when I said psychiatrists are not the best and brightest coming out of med school. It's just a fact, it's a lower coveted specialty.

As for psychology school, yeah, a lot of the people going in are there to resolve their own unresolved childhood trauma.

And the worst part is, these schools are brainwashing EVERYONE to think the same way, to practice the same way, and mental health care in this country/world suffers from a shitty system that often isn't helping anybody but their own bottom line.

Don't ask me how I know.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:47 AM (QBaJw)

62 JT @ 56-
I saw what you did there.

Posted by: Eromero at September 09, 2023 11:48 AM (z3WCn)

63 Per Doomsberg, we now have carbon scrubbing technology, which can take care of carbon emmissions in the oil and gas sector. The environmentalists are not happy.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 09, 2023 11:48 AM (ouTlx)

64 Facial recognition technology is good too.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 11:45 AM (bQKgA)

Facial and retinal scans have limitations. The problem with retinal scans is that anything that affects the dilation of the capillaries can throw off the scan. Being terribly hungover is one of those things.

iris mapping is probably a better tech.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:48 AM (xhaym)

65 Someone here got mad at me recently when I said psychiatrists are not the best and brightest coming out of med school. It's just a fact, it's a lower coveted specialty.

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Everyone knows that boob jobs are where the big money is at.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 11:48 AM (bQKgA)

66 I used to work with a person that was a PhD psychologist, over coffee one morning, in a moment of weird honesty, said most of us (psychologists) have Mommy issues and are trying to work through it. Or something close to that. I still remember that.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (hZbnZ)

I knew a girl who wqs doing her PhD in psych. She, daughter of a psychologist, was going to do her dissertation on why the kids of psychologists were always so fucked up.

She coudn't manage it and ended up doing a statistical study of something.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 09, 2023 11:49 AM (CnLzB)

67 Everything old is new again. Not that I think they had hormone blockers in the old testament days but there are admonitions about wearing the other sexes clothes in the bible and the evil elites around those times had eunuchs to satisfy perverse desires.

The talk of how activists take control of the publishing process sounds so much like the CO2 causes climate change hysteria. Papers that didn't and don't push the hysteria are never published. With the climate change activists also got into positions to hand out the research grants so the research says what they paid it to say.

Posted by: PaleRider at September 09, 2023 11:50 AM (3cGpq)

68 I used to work with a person that was a PhD psychologist, over coffee one morning, in a moment of weird honesty, said most of us (psychologists) have Mommy issues and are trying to work through it. Or something close to that. I still remember that.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (hZbnZ)

That was pretty much a rule of thumb for people getting into counseling and psych training fields. "Most expensive therapy ever" was the joke.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:50 AM (xhaym)

69 Next door neighbor fell for it. $30k to save $200 a month on electricity.

The money you save can be used as a downpayment when you need to replace the system. Such a deal!

Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2023 11:50 AM (CaJIi)

70 On the other hand a lot of AA recovery people go into drug and alcohol counselling too.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:50 AM (xhaym)

71 Good on ya for doing that. Frankly, I don’t talk to anyone about anything political , because you just never know who the next red-flag Karen is.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 11:46 AM (hZbnZ)
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Generally, I don't either and I'm not certain what impulse started me down the path last night. Except it is so silly for generally people to rely only on propaganda, and not think for themselves. I was really just asking a question in hopes it would make him think... What matters more: His Obama devotion, or his devotion to the silly election lies?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:51 AM (IEIP9)

72 Which is...not an answer it is just repeating dogma be a deluded zealot.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2023 11:39 AM (lc5cP)

My main gripe with Owns and Shapiro is they go after the low hanging fruit. They manage to "get" others in their debates with simple debate tricks that don't really accomplish anything.

Which is fine, it's a living. I just have no interest in their grift.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:51 AM (QBaJw)

73 But, there's really no "act" to get together is there? I mean, it's all bullshit anyway. The question that needs to be asked is; "How much money will it take for you to claim the climate crisis has been averted?"

How much ya got?

Posted by: Climate Grifters at September 09, 2023 11:52 AM (I/Qkd)

74 But, there's really no "act" to get together is there? I mean, it's all bullshit anyway. The question that needs to be asked is; "How much money will it take for you to claim the climate crisis has been averted?"
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 11:44 AM (Q4IgG)
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I was just mocking his repetitive assertion in lieu of answering the question from Kennedy.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:52 AM (IEIP9)

75 More money in guns I think. Bigger market I hope.
Posted by: DOYLE at September 09, 2023 11:40 AM (Z8Yh2)

Nah, it's all about volume.

Aren't that many entities to which you can sell expensive weapons.

Kids though.....

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:53 AM (QBaJw)

76 "why the kids of psychologists were always so fucked up."

There's also the generally dismissed (but real) genetic component too.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 11:53 AM (wsHtO)

77 My main gripe with Owns and Shapiro is they go after the low hanging fruit. They manage to "get" others in their debates with simple debate tricks that don't really accomplish anything.
Which is fine, it's a living. I just have no interest in their grift.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:51 AM (QBaJw)

What are you expecting out of a talk show? More than Libs of TicTok?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:54 AM (xhaym)

78 Doomberg also had an article speculating on how many Diablo sized nuke plants it would take to clean up all our carbon emissions. The answer they gave was 100.

If you are interested in energy topics, their Substack is worth the money.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 09, 2023 11:54 AM (ouTlx)

79 JT @ 56-
I saw what you did there.
Posted by: Eromero

Toilet cam ?

Posted by: JT at September 09, 2023 11:55 AM (T4tVD)

80
Duke energy has a nuke plant, and a Hydro plant upstate.

Two lakes, with the hydro plant at the dam between the two and the cooling for the nuke plant at the lower lake.

During low demand, they use massive electric pumps to pump some of the water back UP to the first lake.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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That's the essence of it. The Bad Creek Pumped Storage Facility. Been operating for decades. It is one hell of an impressive facility. A minor point, the turbines that make the power are simply reversed to pump the water back up.

A month ago, an LIV acquaintance excitedly reported to me that California was building (their term) 'Water Batteries'. As he talked I realized that it is just pumped storage, and, pointed out to him that he had been using such power from Duke for decades. He will react to the next fatuous headline the same way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 11:55 AM (Jh1DM)

81 During that Kennedy grilling, the undersecretary can't seem to start a sentence without saying "so.....". This is the mark of a dissembling idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (I/Qkd)

82 78 Doomberg also had an article speculating on how many Diablo sized nuke plants it would take to clean up all our carbon emissions. The answer they gave was 100.

If you are interested in energy topics, their Substack is worth the money.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 09, 2023 11:54 AM (ouTlx)

Remember that time McCain had a moment of sanity/insanity and proposed a plan of building 100 new nuke plants?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (zZu0s)

83 Many have wondered how a culture can go into the dark, well we are seeing it

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (fwDg9)

84 >>>Everyone knows that boob jobs are where the big money is at.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

>Not everybody can be a boob man, - we must also have ass men and vagina men to bear the burden and complete the trinity. It's a noble sacrifice.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (KVGVf)

85 81 During that Kennedy grilling, the undersecretary can't seem to start a sentence without saying "so.....". This is the mark of a dissembling idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (I/Qkd)

Kind of like 'like' 'um' 'uh'. These people are not public speakers, but at the same time they are also retards.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

86 >Not everybody can be a boob man, - we must also have ass men and vagina men to bear the burden and complete the trinity. It's a noble sacrifice.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (KVGVf)

I do not get the huge ass fan. I can understand the beauty of a well shaped set of hindquarters, but the gigantic Kardashian caboose? Nah, I'll stick with boobs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

87 Everyone knows that boob jobs are where the big money is at.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 11:48 AM (bQKgA)

I should think so. Generally if you're a cutter you make big bucks, but you are also susceptible to lawsuits more than other specialties.

I don't know why anyone would go into baby delivery business, if the kid comes out looking funny in any way, the lawyers swoop in.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:59 AM (QBaJw)

88 I am positive as a kid I drew on myself, can't imagine someone saying they never did.
I have no tats or ever had

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 11:59 AM (fwDg9)

89 A couple of weeks ago we had a door to door salesman selling solar panels. Next door neighbor fell for it. $30k to save $200 a month on electricity.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 11:45 AM (u73oe)

I may be wrong here, but depending on where they live they may have 48 or 72 hours to bail on a door-to-door sales contract/

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 12:00 PM (hZbnZ)

90 During that Kennedy grilling, the undersecretary can't seem to start a sentence without saying "so.....". This is the mark of a dissembling idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.

Just in case that wasn't already abundantly clear.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 09, 2023 12:00 PM (I/Qkd)

91 Kind of like 'like' 'um' 'uh'. These people are not public speakers, but at the same time they are also retards.

What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Abject liars at September 09, 2023 12:00 PM (I/Qkd)

92 88 I am positive as a kid I drew on myself, can't imagine someone saying they never did.
I have no tats or ever had
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 11:59 AM (fwDg9)

I am not actually against tattoos- I just could never think of a design I would not get tired of.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:00 PM (zZu0s)

93 The Venn diagram of trans children and mothers with a mental illness is a sold circle.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 12:01 PM (u73oe)

94 "Everyone knows that boob jobs are where the big money is at."

It hard for me to imagine a person going though all the effort to become a medical doctor just to make a living putting fake tits into women.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:01 PM (wsHtO)

95 I used to work with a person that was a PhD psychologist, over coffee one morning, in a moment of weird honesty, said most of us (psychologists) have Mommy issues and are trying to work through it. Or something close to that. I still remember that.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly
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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: 'Rachel' Levine, professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine at September 09, 2023 12:02 PM (UKHcf)

96 94 "Everyone knows that boob jobs are where the big money is at."

It hard for me to imagine a person going though all the effort to become a medical doctor just to make a living putting fake tits into women.
Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:01 PM (wsHtO)

Few have gone broke trying to help women feel prettier.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

97 Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:51 AM (QBaJw)

What are you expecting out of a talk show? More than Libs of TicTok?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2023 11:54 AM (xhaym)

I'm not expecting anything. It's entertainment and it pays the bills. I don't watch them.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:03 PM (QBaJw)

98 JT @ 79-
You used Aussie dollars for hineywipe?

Posted by: Eromero at September 09, 2023 12:03 PM (z3WCn)

99 I'm confused by a lot of related terminology. For instance, in the Collin Rugg's X, the person speaking repeated talks about gender affirmation on the part of parents. (A child's) Affirmation STARTS TO WANE when parents don't affirm the child's gender identity whatever that is (at that time).

So if an eight year old girl states she's a boy at a particular time, perhaps to fit in with the kids around her, her neighborhood, maybe even siblings, her parents/guardians need to affirm she's a boy? Why? It would make her path in life at that time no easier. Why not remain silent, continue to love the kid, and let her work it out on her on over some years before her?

Oh yes, of course, for the special jobs & benefits for certain teachers, psychologists, researchers, physicians, and so on, who choose not to work the 'common' - though needed - career path. On the backs of children who do not have the capacity to understand certain outcomes though the federal government is quite concerned for compassion & understanding for "justice-involved youth" through age 24.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at September 09, 2023 12:03 PM (GshMh)

100 Just stopped in the local grocery store...today is the big Iowa vs Iowa State football game, and there a giant display of custom Bud Light boxes (some for Iowa, some Iowa State).

It didn't look like any had been taken lol.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 09, 2023 12:03 PM (bC315)

101 If I were a bureaucrat, and I was summoned to appear before Kennedy to testify on some subject, I'd develop a sudden case of Covid-based leprosy and would politely decline for the good of all.

That assumes, of course, that I had no idea what I was talking about, which seems like a pretty safe bet at this point.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 09, 2023 12:03 PM (I/Qkd)

102 It hard for me to imagine a person going though all the effort to become a medical doctor just to make a living putting fake tits into women.

===

Imagine California...

Posted by: runner at September 09, 2023 12:04 PM (V13WU)

103 I should think so. Generally if you're a cutter you make big bucks, but you are also susceptible to lawsuits more than other specialties.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:59 AM (QBaJw)
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Our local breast augmentation doc is pretty good looking woman, with an impressive rack. I've never met her but her ads are all over the place. I wonder if she deducted the cost of her own surgeries as an advertising expense?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:04 PM (iwaXA)

104 Our local breast augmentation doc is pretty good looking woman, with an impressive rack. I've never met her but her ads are all over the place. I wonder if she deducted the cost of her own surgeries as an advertising expense?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:04 PM (iwaXA)

No picture of the impressive rack? Some loose shit going on around here!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:05 PM (zZu0s)

105 Remember that time McCain had a moment of sanity/insanity and proposed a plan of building 100 new nuke plants?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (zZu0s)

That just means the nook people came to him with a bribe, and of course we didn't get the nook plants because the Gates/WEF folks made him a better offer.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:06 PM (QBaJw)

106 Many have wondered how a culture can go into the dark, well we are seeing it
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (fwDg9)

True, every day I struggle with trying to understand the insanity that overtaken this country and the western world. There is no idea cray enough (unless it’s conservative) that will be dismissed as insane. These are dark times.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 12:07 PM (hZbnZ)

107 Johnny, what do you want to be when you grow up?

Johnny: I want to make the world a better place by taking the money of rich and stupid people to make them happy.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:07 PM (wsHtO)

108 During that Kennedy grilling, the undersecretary can't seem to start a sentence without saying "so.....". This is the mark of a dissembling idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (I/Qkd)

That’s a millenial thing. And it’s irritating as tuck.

It does appear however that GenZ isn’t doing it as much.

Posted by: Montec at September 09, 2023 12:07 PM (bWsRe)

109 107 Johnny, what do you want to be when you grow up?

Johnny: I want to make the world a better place by taking the money of rich and stupid people to make them happy.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:07 PM (wsHtO)

I am trying to think of the flaw in Johnny's plan...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:08 PM (zZu0s)

110 >Not everybody can be a boob man, - we must also have ass men and vagina men to bear the burden and complete the trinity. It's a noble sacrifice.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 11:56 AM (KVGVf)

I always figured a gyno man eventually ends up hating the cooch, seeing all the diseased and rotting and otherwise horrid snizzes all day, how could you come home to the wife and think "oh boy, it's time for me to dig in!"

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:08 PM (QBaJw)

111 I always figured a gyno man eventually ends up hating the cooch, seeing all the diseased and rotting and otherwise horrid snizzes all day, how could you come home to the wife and think "oh boy, it's time for me to dig in!"
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:08 PM (QBaJw)

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It would be like working in a slaughterhouse and coming home to a ribeye.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 12:10 PM (bQKgA)

112 Few have gone broke trying to help women feel prettier.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

I think that was Estee Lauder's slogan in their ads in the 80s.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:10 PM (QBaJw)

113 The first duty of a utility is to efficiently and safely meet demand for electricity. Why else have them?

Screwing around with that mission seems dangerous to me, the Maui fires being exhibit A.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:10 PM (8XdRV)

114 Nobody's ever going to defund ANYTHING.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2023 11:26 AM (63Dwl)

Tee hee!

Posted by: Gope at September 09, 2023 12:11 PM (aqL4O)

115 But, there's really no "act" to get together is there? I mean, it's all bullshit anyway. The question that needs to be asked is; "How much money will it take for you to claim the climate crisis has been averted?"
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 11:44 AM (Q4IgG)
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I was just mocking his repetitive assertion in lieu of answering the question from Kennedy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:52 AM (IEIP9)

My next question to that government turd would have been, "what about China? Has the Biden administration pressured China to curb their carbon emissions as well, or do we already know the answer?"

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 09, 2023 12:12 PM (Zvtjl)

116 It hard for me to imagine a person going though all the effort to become a medical doctor just to make a living putting fake tits into women.
Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:01 PM (wsHtO)

There’s more to plastic surgery than that. There are things like reconstructing faces after burns, accidents, etc. But even if all you did was boob jobs so what? It pays amazing and really surgery is surgery. It’s just body parts.

Posted by: Montec at September 09, 2023 12:12 PM (bWsRe)

117 Those Lahaina fires sure got out of the news in a hurry, huh? Kinda like the Nashville shooter.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 12:13 PM (u73oe)

118 No picture of the impressive rack? Some loose shit going on around here!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:05 PM (zZu0s)
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she wears a lab coat in her photos. I may be inferring the rack part, but I've made a close study of the ads.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:13 PM (8XdRV)

119 105 I do remember when Crash proposed nuke plants. Brought up the fact we sail ships all over the world under nuke power. It was a moment of clarity for him. Small prefabricated nuke plants placed everywhere really beefing up the grid. Also, small because a smaller perimeter is easier to defend. McCain probably backed down after getting an addition put on the Sonoma estate.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 09, 2023 12:13 PM (0EOe9)

120 I don't consider myself anti-tat, my grandfather had a few.
Do think young ladies really don't need them.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 12:14 PM (fwDg9)

121 A friend of mines father, very old school, used to say the only the only people who got tattoos were "sailors and scumbags". Always thought that made sense

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 09, 2023 12:14 PM (k5+oj)

122 I wonder if she deducted the cost of her own surgeries as an advertising expense?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:04 PM (iwaXA)

Now you're talking! Like those liability lawyers with eyepatches, I bet they never pay out of pocket for the artificial lid. I imagine their closets have rows of different patches for different occasions. Just like ties and jackets.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:15 PM (QBaJw)

123 I don't know why anyone would go into baby delivery business, if the kid comes out looking funny in any way, the lawyers swoop in.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 11:59 AM (QBaJw)


Babies are big money to hospitals. 99% of the time delivery is as easy as to be expected.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 12:16 PM (3oiFl)

124 I've never been to Morocco but it sounds like the quake took as much life as the Lahaina fires did, and that is tragic. Biden immediately issued a sympathy statement. Palestine, Ohio is still waiting for theirs.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:17 PM (8XdRV)

125 There’s more to plastic surgery than that. There are things like reconstructing faces after burns, accidents, etc. But even if all you did was boob jobs so what? It pays amazing and really surgery is surgery. It’s just body parts.
Posted by: Montec at September 09, 2023 12:12 PM (bWsRe)

My aunt just had a bit of reconstruction done on her boobs after a mastectomy/cancer scare. I can completely understand.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:17 PM (zZu0s)

126 True, every day I struggle with trying to understand the insanity that overtaken this country and the western world. There is no idea cray enough (unless it’s conservative) that will be dismissed as insane. These are dark times.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 12:07 PM (hZbnZ)

I try not to get too wrapped up in this sort of thing, but the simple answer is, we are a society that was built to sustain itself when men of faith and morals rose to the top in their respective fields.

These days, where are the men of faith and morals? Not at the top, that's where.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:17 PM (QBaJw)

127 It would be like working in a slaughterhouse and coming home to a ribeye.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 12:10 PM (bQKgA)

I dunno, not that I want to work in such a place, but I think I'd manage to gobble the thing down regardless.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:19 PM (QBaJw)

128 Now you're talking! Like those liability lawyers with eyepatches, I bet they never pay out of pocket for the artificial lid. I imagine their closets have rows of different patches for different occasions. Just like ties and jackets.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:15 PM (QBaJw)

Ok, horde survey: Let's say you lost an eye (how does not matter.) Eyepatch or glass eye.

I think I would go eyepatch. Especially if I had a cool scar around the eye socket.

Yes, I know that would put me in the same group as eyepatch mccain, but he is a douche even without the eyepatch.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:19 PM (zZu0s)

129 "Got Nukes?"

Maybe.

Posted by: Iran, North Korea, et. al. at September 09, 2023 12:19 PM (ynpvh)

130 "It pays amazing and really surgery is surgery. It’s just body parts."

Now do transgender surgery.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:19 PM (wsHtO)

131 Just stopped in the local grocery store...today is the big Iowa vs Iowa State football game, and there a giant display of custom Bud Light boxes (some for Iowa, some Iowa State).

It didn't look like any had been taken lol.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 09, 2023 12:03 PM (bC315)

Maybe they should partner with Liberty Safe. Do a BOGO deal with beer and safe’s!

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at September 09, 2023 12:20 PM (hZbnZ)

132 > ut, there's really no "act" to get together is there? I mean, it's all bullshit anyway. The question that needs to be asked is; "How much money will it take for you to claim the climate crisis has been averted?"
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 11:44 AM (Q4IgG)
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I was just mocking his repetitive assertion in lieu of answering the question from Kennedy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 11:52 AM (IEIP9)
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Oh, I got that. I'd just like for one of these politicos to ask the relevant question. How much do you want to shut up?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 12:20 PM (Q4IgG)

133 I doubled McConnell's estates in Macau. Albanese turned ... for much less.

Posted by: Xi Jinping at September 09, 2023 12:20 PM (3oiFl)

134 127 It would be like working in a slaughterhouse and coming home to a ribeye.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 12:10 PM (bQKgA)

I dunno, not that I want to work in such a place, but I think I'd manage to gobble the thing down regardless.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:19 PM (QBaJw)

The goats we raised and ate were delicious. My mother hated when we asked, while eating them, "Is this X?". Yeah, the goats were named. Yum.

Posted by: Iran, North Korea, et. al. at September 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

135 off evil country socks

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:21 PM (ynpvh)

136 It’s just body parts.
Posted by: Montec at September 09, 2023 12:12 PM (bWsRe)

Right. Warm and squishy is all the same. In the dark.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:21 PM (QBaJw)

137 >>>I always figured a gyno man eventually ends up hating the cooch, seeing all the diseased and rotting and otherwise horrid snizzes all day, how could you come home to the wife and think "oh boy, it's time for me to dig in!"
Posted by: BurtTC

>Point taken. I'm an advocate for designer vaginas and will reserve the right to refuse service without the proper shirt or shoes.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 12:21 PM (KVGVf)

138 How much do you want to shut up?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 12:20 PM (Q4IgG)
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that would be a damn great way to ask the question.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:22 PM (8XdRV)

139 >Point taken. I'm an advocate for designer vaginas and will reserve the right to refuse service without the proper shirt or shoes.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 12:21 PM (KVGVf)

I saw the pilot for Designer Vaginas before the Golden Girls in 1988.

It did not get picked up for a full series.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:23 PM (zZu0s)

140 121 Heh. Mom saw me shirtless and asked why, after two hitches in the Corps, I didn't have a tattoo. She mentioned when I was a little kid I liked Uncle Bill's bulldog. Told her I went into a parlor in San Luis, and the guy was shutting down for siesta. Be back in two hours. Had a meal, had a few beers, and I draw the only guy in Mexico who refused service if you had been drinking. During that deployment I saw many a Marine come back to the transit barracks shit faced with a new souvenir on their arm.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 09, 2023 12:23 PM (0EOe9)

141 Sheesh!
Just saw an ad for the Oktoberfest in Munich.
41€ (about $42) for a fest bier and half a fest chicken.
Damn!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (uSHSS)

142 141 Sheesh!
Just saw an ad for the Oktoberfest in Munich.
41€ (about $42) for a fest bier and half a fest chicken.
Damn!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (uSHSS)

Same as in town?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (ynpvh)

143 she wears a lab coat in her photos. I may be inferring the rack part, but I've made a close study of the ads.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 09, 2023 12:13 PM (8XdRV)

I used to have an eye doc, she was somewhere on the Riley Gaines/Megyn Kelly spectrum, looks-wise.

I'd be in the chair, she'd be shining lights at me, saying "look into my eyes.

Yes, doctor. If the next words out of her mouth were "you will go to the bank, kill everyone, take all the money and bring it back to me" I would have done it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (QBaJw)

144 141 Sheesh!
Just saw an ad for the Oktoberfest in Munich.
41€ (about $42) for a fest bier and half a fest chicken.
Damn!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (uSHSS)

How much to just stare at the beer gal's boobs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (zZu0s)

145 "Next door neighbor fell for it. $30k to save $200 a month on electricity."

That's an 8% return ... not so bad. And he probably got at least 25% tax rebate. I spent about $16k on mine (self installed), but mostly for security, so when they start the rolling brownouts I'll still have power. If they perform as promised, they will last for my life time, even if I live to 105 (which is the plan).

But no, they are not the answer, but can make sense for some people to have them. Prices and efficiencies have gotten a lot better than a decade or two ago.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 12:25 PM (Cus5s)

146 The big COP28 meeting in UAE will have lots of oil people discussing the carbon scrubbing technology. The Saudis are set to go all in on it. It's the real tell that the climate nonsense has nothing to do with carbon emissions. It's about outlawing oil.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 09, 2023 12:25 PM (ouTlx)

147 It would be like working in a slaughterhouse and coming home to a ribeye.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 09, 2023 12:10 PM (bQKgA)

I dunno, not that I want to work in such a place, but I think I'd manage to gobble the thing down regardless.

As a yoot, I bussed tables in a high end chop house. One of the bennies was a prime rib dinner for $1. I loved prime rib, or at least I did until I spent a summer eating them. It took a long time for me to start liking them again.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 09, 2023 12:25 PM (I/Qkd)

148 144 141 Sheesh!
Just saw an ad for the Oktoberfest in Munich.
41€ (about $42) for a fest bier and half a fest chicken.
Damn!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (uSHSS)

How much to just stare at the beer gal's boobs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (zZu0s)

You hope for a gal's boobs in that Drndl...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

149 And just like that...it's a boob and cooch thread.

Posted by: Forrest Grump at September 09, 2023 12:26 PM (V8he0)

150 149 And just like that...it's a boob and cooch thread.
Posted by: Forrest Grump at September 09, 2023 12:26 PM (V8he0)

That's my secret, Forrest: They're ALL Boob and Cooch threads.

Posted by: ace, not really at September 09, 2023 12:27 PM (zZu0s)

151 Illegal alien births kill hospitals.

20 dollar motrin anyone?

Posted by: DOYLE at September 09, 2023 12:28 PM (Z8Yh2)

152 Babies are big money to hospitals. 99% of the time delivery is as easy as to be expected.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 12:16 PM (3oiFl)

Right, which means for every 99 you deliver without a lawsuit attached, you have one that has a lawsuit attached.

That's about... what, a day and a half without the lawyers?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:28 PM (QBaJw)

153 145 "Next door neighbor fell for it. $30k to save $200 a month on electricity."

That's an 8% return ... not so bad. And he probably got at least 25% tax rebate. I spent about $16k on mine (self installed), but mostly for security, so when they start the rolling brownouts I'll still have power. If they perform as promised, they will last for my life time, even if I live to 105 (which is the plan).

But no, they are not the answer, but can make sense for some people to have them. Prices and efficiencies have gotten a lot better than a decade or two ago.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 12:25 PM (Cus5s)

Hit my break-even point. Have paid maybe a few $100 over the last decade in electricity. Was only affordable when I got them because
1) Federal Tax Credit
2) State Rebate

Otherwise, given the point at which they drop to 50% output, would have been a loser. And, given they were already using my money to pay for them, would have been stupid to leave that money uncollected.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:28 PM (ynpvh)

154 Yes, I know that would put me in the same group as eyepatch mccain, but he is a douche even without the eyepatch.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:19 PM (zZu0s)

I would believe it if it turns out his eye works just fine.

But yeah, put me on Team Eyepatch.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:30 PM (QBaJw)

155 We were approached by a solar company back in the early 2000's. At the time we were living on California's Central Coast... Monterey to be exact. If you know anything about the CA coast you know it's bound to be foggy a huge percentage of the time.

I asked the guy who was doing the selling how long it'd be before my initial several ten's of thousands of dollars would see a return.

45 years. Assuming "X" amount of sunshine.

I pointed out that where we lived we'd see "X - 75%" of said sunshine.

He left.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 09, 2023 12:30 PM (Q4IgG)

156 152 Babies are big money to hospitals. 99% of the time delivery is as easy as to be expected.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 12:16 PM (3oiFl)

Right, which means for every 99 you deliver without a lawsuit attached, you have one that has a lawsuit attached.

That's about... what, a day and a half without the lawyers?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:28 PM (QBaJw)

Back in the mid-90s I saw an article that a obstetrician's malpractice insurance was in the $30K range per year. This was 30 years ago! I have no idea what it's like now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

157 I would believe it if it turns out his eye works just fine.

But yeah, put me on Team Eyepatch.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:30 PM (QBaJw)

IIRC, someone here said that during non-campaign/photo-op events, Crenshaw wears a glass eye.

*shakes head sadly*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:31 PM (zZu0s)

158 A friend of mines father, very old school, used to say the only the only people who got tattoos were "sailors and scumbags". Always thought that made sense
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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You forgot carney workers.

Posted by: 'Rachel' Levine, professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine at September 09, 2023 12:32 PM (pXXcj)

159 "If they perform as promised, they will last for my life time, even if I live to 105 (which is the plan)."

I have an ex-coworker (now a licensed PE) who has managed to climb to the top in the current solar power scam. He started out idealistically (he's young) but now that he's been doing it successfully for almost a decade he has gotten wise and also cynical.

He told me that the current materials used in these panel will give them a half-life of around 8 years and they would never pay for themselves. He wants to get out but is fixing to "retire" in five years which he things is how long the scam will hold out given the realities.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:33 PM (wsHtO)

160 It would be like working in a slaughterhouse and coming home to a ribeye.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

Nah.
Roadkill cleanup and then coming home to the porterhouse.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 12:33 PM (ga8qR)

161 most of us (psychologists) have Mommy issues and are trying to work through it. Or something close to that. I still remember that.

**************

I wanted to see my shrink today, but he was too busy seeing his shrink

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at September 09, 2023 12:34 PM (VTu1l)

162 The goats we raised and ate were delicious. My mother hated when we asked, while eating them, "Is this X?". Yeah, the goats were named. Yum.
Posted by: Iran, North Korea, et. al. at September 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

Sorta reminds me of the new Netfux series, "Predators." Comparatively speaking, they go fairly easy on the Glowball Warmening propaganda. It's there, but not overwhelming.

Anyhoo, the narration is funny, in that you can always spot which animals aren't going to make it, because they don't name those (or if they do, they set you up by telling you how much of a ninny this one is compared to their sibling).

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:34 PM (QBaJw)

163 I see a neck tattoo, I expect nothing but good decisions.

On forehead means even better decision making.

Posted by: DOYLE at September 09, 2023 12:35 PM (Z8Yh2)

164 159 "If they perform as promised, they will last for my life time, even if I live to 105 (which is the plan)."

I have an ex-coworker (now a licensed PE) who has managed to climb to the top in the current solar power scam. He started out idealistically (he's young) but now that he's been doing it successfully for almost a decade he has gotten wise and also cynical.

He told me that the current materials used in these panel will give them a half-life of around 8 years and they would never pay for themselves. He wants to get out but is fixing to "retire" in five years which he things is how long the scam will hold out given the realities.

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:33 PM (wsHtO)

Mine are Japanese (Sharp brand). I've seen output drop from a peak of around 27KWH/day to around 24KWH/day, or about a 12% drop. Not supposed to hit the 50% mark for another decade or two.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:35 PM (ynpvh)

165 Point taken. I'm an advocate for designer vaginas and will reserve the right to refuse service without the proper shirt or shoes.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 09, 2023 12:21 PM (KVGVf)

Well, since we're going there, we might as well go all the way...

The ex had the most perfect vagina I have ever encountered, in real life or on film. Everything about it was fabulous.

I miss that vagina.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:37 PM (QBaJw)

166 You all have a good morning. I'm off to see what troubles my day has in store for me.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

167 This is how I began to sense that the global warming thing was crap: if they were serious, they’d be pushing hard for nukes. But they don’t, because they are effective.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 09, 2023 12:38 PM (W/9Bb)

168 Well, since we're going there, we might as well go all the way...

The ex had the most perfect vagina I have ever encountered, in real life or on film. Everything about it was fabulous.

I miss that vagina.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:37 PM (QBaJw)

*sniff*

That's beautiful, man.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:38 PM (zZu0s)

169 Sheesh!
Just saw an ad for the Oktoberfest in Munich.
41€ (about $42) for a fest bier and half a fest chicken.
Damn!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (uSHSS)

How much to just stare at the beer gal's boobs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:24 PM (zZu0s)

You hope for a gal's boobs in that Drndl...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:26 PM (ynpvh)
***

Heh.
Last Oktoberfest I attended, my bier was served by a "lady" who probably sang the last song at a Wagnerian opera.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:38 PM (uSHSS)

170 Back in the mid-90s I saw an article that a obstetrician's malpractice insurance was in the $30K range per year. This was 30 years ago! I have no idea what it's like now.
Posted by: jim
____________

I think OB, neurosurgery and CT surgery have the highest rates. An anoxic brain injury/birthing case will probably have $20 million plus in damages for the life care plan alone.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 09, 2023 12:39 PM (Dm8we)

171 "Mine are Japanese (Sharp brand). I've seen output drop from a peak of around 27KWH/day to around 24KWH/day, or about a 12% drop. Not supposed to hit the 50% mark for another decade or two."

????

Not going to do the math here obviously but.....

Posted by: pawn at September 09, 2023 12:39 PM (wsHtO)

172 I am convinced all these so called green products have very short shelf life.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 12:41 PM (fwDg9)

173 But no, they are not the answer, but can make sense for some people to have them. Prices and efficiencies have gotten a lot better than a decade or two ago.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 12:25 PM (Cus5s)

All I know is, my first Colorado house had them. It was an almost new house, so somebody else paid for them, given the price of the house itself was VERY competitive with the rest of the market.

My ute bills were diddly squat, compared to what I had been paying in St. Louis, and were significantly lower than the next house I bought in CO, which didn't have panels.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:41 PM (QBaJw)

174 Hit my break-even point. Have paid maybe a few $100 over the last decade in electricity. Was only affordable when I got them because
1) Federal Tax Credit
2) State Rebate

Otherwise, given the point at which they drop to 50% output, would have been a loser. And, given they were already using my money to pay for them, would have been stupid to leave that money uncollected.
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THAT is one of my problems with solar. To put it simply, there is a moral issue involved. The solar 'movement' has been a transfer of wealth from the 'haves' to the 'have-nots'. Those who cannot afford the initial investment (and that would be most families) are picking up the tab for those who can.

When I mention this to someone congratulating themselves for their solar, their response is generally, 'Meh, too bad'. I especially mention this to the door-to-door salesman, to see what their reaction is. They are not prepared for it.

Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:43 PM (q42YH)

175 169 I was making the rounds at the casino slot floor and settled in to one titled Oktoberfest. A fellow geezer next to me said "You know, nothing good ever came out of a Kraut bierhaus".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 09, 2023 12:43 PM (0EOe9)

176 How much would solar panels add to a homeowners insurance policy?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 12:44 PM (u73oe)

177 I asked the guy who was doing the selling how long it'd be before my initial several ten's of thousands of dollars would see a return.

45 years. Assuming "X" amount of sunshine.

It's strange that companies aren't hopping on this opportunity to put in vast solar fields to sell power to customers or the utilities. Can't imagine they know something we don't.

Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2023 12:44 PM (ptElO)

178 That's beautiful, man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:38 PM (zZu0s)

It was. Oh, it was.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:45 PM (QBaJw)

179 175 169 I was making the rounds at the casino slot floor and settled in to one titled Oktoberfest. A fellow geezer next to me said "You know, nothing good ever came out of a Kraut bierhaus".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 09, 2023 12:43 PM (0EOe9)

Beer Hall Putsch agrees!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:45 PM (zZu0s)

180 "Mine are Japanese (Sharp brand). I've seen output drop from a peak of around 27KWH/day to around 24KWH/day, or about a 12% drop. Not supposed to hit the 50% mark for another decade or two." Posted by: jim

how long have you had them to see the 12% drop? Mine are supposedly (if company survives?) guaranteed for like 1% loss a year or so, REC made in Malaysia I think. I just got them almost 2 years ago.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 12:45 PM (Cus5s)

181 The solar 'movement' has been a transfer of wealth from the 'haves' to the 'have-nots'. Those who cannot afford the initial investment (and that would be most families) are picking up the tab for those who can.
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Crap, misstated. '...from the 'have-nots', to the 'haves'...'

Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:46 PM (q42YH)

182 181 The solar 'movement' has been a transfer of wealth from the 'haves' to the 'have-nots'. Those who cannot afford the initial investment (and that would be most families) are picking up the tab for those who can.
--

Crap, misstated. '...from the 'have-nots', to the 'haves'...'
Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:46 PM (q42YH)

One could make the same argument for all of the green movement pushes. From solar panels to electric cars.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:48 PM (zZu0s)

183 Activist researchers are essentially laundering political opinions as established facts through the peer review process.

I got confused by all the links, was this one directed at the gender putsch or the climate putsch?

Posted by: CppThis at September 09, 2023 12:49 PM (PZvjL)

184 Might be nap time

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 12:50 PM (fwDg9)

185 How much would solar panels add to a homeowners insurance policy?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 12:44 PM (u73oe)

I think it caused a discount, but now I don't remember.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:51 PM (QBaJw)

186 Beer Hall Putsch agrees!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:45 PM (zZu0s)


I've had some good times in that Bier Haus.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 12:51 PM (uSHSS)

187 Babies are big money to hospitals. 99% of the time delivery is as easy as to be expected.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 12:16 PM (3oiFl)

Right, which means for every 99 you deliver without a lawsuit attached, you have one that has a lawsuit attached.

That's about... what, a day and a half without the lawyers?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:28 PM (QBaJw)

Back in the mid-90s I saw an article that a obstetrician's malpractice insurance was in the $30K range per year. This was 30 years ago! I have no idea what it's like now.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 09, 2023 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

All I can tell you, as a retired hospital system employee, was that we battled for every "Women and Children's" bed we could get because they were like having a license to print money.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 12:52 PM (3oiFl)

188 Heh. I have twice now looked at largish solar proposals, and one the specs cited were 'Trees Saved'. Weird but true.

It gets stranger, here's a headline from PV Magazine:
"A single solar panel can offset the carbon emissions of 10 trees"

Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:52 PM (Xh7X1)

189 167 This is how I began to sense that the global warming thing was crap: if they were serious, they’d be pushing hard for nukes. But they don’t, because they are effective.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 09, 2023 12:38 PM (W/9Bb)

Dude here gets it.

Posted by: CppThis at September 09, 2023 12:52 PM (PZvjL)

190 It gets stranger, here's a headline from PV Magazine:
"A single solar panel can offset the carbon emissions of 10 trees"
Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:52 PM (Xh7X1)

...

But trees consume carbon dioxide...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 12:53 PM (zZu0s)

191 I exploded on a local Rep over Rona Lockdown Panic and I do not regret it one bit despite having a serious 'Law Enforcement' result. I then got told by Reasonable People I needed to Be Reasonable.
THIS is the same.
No, it takes a pushback in no uncertain terms to rock it in reverse.
There is NO reasonable response to this shit.
It's not a Dialogue or a Negotiation or a Discussion it's a NO.

Posted by: LenNeal at September 09, 2023 12:54 PM (/BBNv)

192 One could make the same argument for all of the green movement pushes. From solar panels to electric cars.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Yes, and I confront greenie braggadocios with it when they begin to wax their egos with self congratulations. Blank stares. 'But, but, I'm a good person.'

Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:55 PM (LPLin)

193 Another consideration is that the average roof is not built to support the added weight of the solar panels.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 09, 2023 12:56 PM (u73oe)

194 All I can tell you, as a retired hospital system employee, was that we battled for every "Women and Children's" bed we could get because they were like having a license to print money.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 12:52 PM (3oiFl)

Oh, I'm sure. I know people who work on the legal side of the Medical Industrial Complex, and they are well paid to keep the assembly line humming too.

As I'm sure you know, a large number of the lawsuits they face are not based on actual malpractice, but on the patient/family being dissatisfied with the outcome. So the lawyers keep them at bay was much as possible, but come, they do.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2023 12:57 PM (QBaJw)

195
But trees consume carbon dioxide...
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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You forget, they are experts...experts I tell you.

Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:58 PM (C0kHf)

196 Yes, and I confront greenie braggadocios with it when they begin to wax their egos with self congratulations. Blank stares. 'But, but, I'm a good person.'
Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:55 PM (LPLin)

But one of the reasons that they are financially able to afford something without subsidies is that they will not sign off on something if it does not make financial sense. SO, the push to subsidize everything to get it to a level where their ideology overcomes their financial sense.

One of my sometimes scenarios is this: what if you stopped every subsidy. Every tax credit. Every tax on anything beyond sales tax?

How much would things actually cost? How many people would be literally homeless and starving in a week? How would things look in a week? A month? A year?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:00 PM (zZu0s)

197 The solar 'movement' has been a transfer of wealth from the 'haves' to the 'have-nots'. Those who cannot afford the initial investment (and that would be most families) are picking up the tab for those who can.-Crap, misstated. '...from the 'have-nots', to the 'haves'...'
Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt

One could make the same argument for all of the green movement pushes. From solar panels to electric cars."

and don't forget the oligarchs that got very rich playing with leverage in stock/bond markets, that were supported by BigGov and monetary policy ... and then they were bailed out as Too Big To Fail (or to Jail) when their leverage games failed (LTCM, or now SVB, with a long series of support for the rich in between).

Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 01:00 PM (Cus5s)

198 But trees consume carbon dioxide...
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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You forget, they are experts...experts I tell you.
Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt at September 09, 2023 12:58 PM (C0kHf)
***

The science is settled, Denier!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 01:01 PM (uSHSS)

199 Medicare and Medicaid keeps the lights on in the hospital but services to generally healthy people, like expectant mothers, are what makes the profits.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:01 PM (3oiFl)

200 Beer Hall Putsch agrees!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Put that in your Kapp.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 09, 2023 01:01 PM (KAi1n)

201 Years back, the XO was hired to move to New Zealand by a monument company owner because the owner couldn't get his employees to use modern techniques to make tombstones and he was hoping they would learn from the XO.

First off, New Zealand would not let anyone over 35 immigrate. We were told that our best option for transportation was to have our car converted to right hand driving here in the States, then have it shipped to NZ. The guy who wanted to hire the XO sent us a few current newspapers so we could check out the housing situation.

In the end, we thanked the guy for the offer but said no. Housing was just too damned expensive.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- Persian cats are nothing more than 24/7 shedding machines. at September 09, 2023 01:02 PM (B7rlW)

202 Beer Hall Putsch agrees!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Put that in your Kapp.
Posted by: SFGoth

Putsch that in your Kapp.

(Fixed that)

Posted by: SFGoth at September 09, 2023 01:02 PM (KAi1n)

203 200 Beer Hall Putsch agrees!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Put that in your Kapp.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 09, 2023 01:01 PM (KAi1n)

Sepp right up!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:03 PM (zZu0s)

204 How did we get here? We went from boobs and solar panels to Nazi puns.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:03 PM (zZu0s)

205 I did nazi that coming.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:04 PM (zZu0s)

206 Beer Hall Putsch agrees!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Put that in your Kapp.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 09, 2023 01:01 PM (KAi1n)

Sepp right up!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:03 PM (zZu0s)

Reich On!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:04 PM (3oiFl)

207 Stop eating, Herman!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:05 PM (zZu0s)

208 Baylor up 3 on Utah in the 2nd but they just put on a clinic on how to not tackle a running back in the open field so Utes threatening.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:06 PM (3oiFl)

209 Medicare and Medicaid keeps the lights on in the hospital but services to generally healthy people, like expectant mothers, are what makes the profits.
Posted by: G'rump928
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I'm probably becoming tiresome about this, but 'An American Sickness', Rosenthal, is a very revealing look at what has happened to healthcare in the U.S. over the last 40 years or so.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 01:07 PM (q0Hle)

210 Yard work beckons...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 01:08 PM (q0Hle)

211 When my Grandfather wrecked on his motorcycle in the 1920s, he spent six months in the hospital. He was expected to pay them back over time, and in fact, did so.

Prices for health care were not insane back then because the patient paid them.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:09 PM (3oiFl)

212 Utah shoots themselves in the foot with a holding call and has to settle for a FG.

3-3.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:12 PM (3oiFl)

213 Prices for health care were not insane back then because the patient paid them.
Posted by: G'rump928
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It has become layer on layer on layer on layer, all with suited financial people maneuvering and structuring the system to maximize profit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 01:13 PM (y+Ith)

214 206 Beer Hall Putsch agrees!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Put that in your Kapp.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 09, 2023 01:01 PM (KAi1n)

Sepp right up!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:03 PM (zZu0s)

Reich On!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:04 PM (3oiFl)

I don't tell nazi puns, anne frankly, neither should you.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 01:13 PM (uSHSS)

215 Didja see Gov. Lujan "Gun Grab" Grisham's explanation for her gun ban?

"The governor says she doesn’t expect criminals to follow the order. But she hopes it is “a resounding message,” to everyone else in the community to report gun crime."

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Resounding messages are tight!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 01:15 PM (FVME7)

216 A provider can be a NP, a PA, or a Doc, with almost the same care. But I only trust my cardiologist.

Posted by: Eromero at September 09, 2023 01:16 PM (z3WCn)

217 Ok, should do something

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 01:17 PM (fwDg9)

218 And ubama care really kicked the dog closer to socialist 'medicine'.

Posted by: Eromero at September 09, 2023 01:18 PM (z3WCn)

219 Looks like the nazi puns are sending this thread to the showers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:18 PM (zZu0s)

220 Colorado gets a FG off of a Nebraska fumble

3-0.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:19 PM (3oiFl)

221 218 And ubama care really kicked the dog closer to socialist 'medicine'.
Posted by: Eromero at September 09, 2023 01:18 PM (z3WCn)

Well, medicare for everything/one really turned the hospitals into a monster.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:19 PM (zZu0s)

222 How TF can the Panama Canal run low on water? Isn't it between two oceans and have massive pump capacity?

Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2023 01:20 PM (86W+h)

223 Didja see Gov. Lujan "Gun Grab" Grisham's explanation for her gun ban?

"The governor says she doesn’t expect criminals to follow the order. But she hopes it is “a resounding message,” to everyone else in the community to report gun crime."

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Resounding messages are tight!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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That is a Kamala Harris-quality quote. "We don't expect criminals to be non-criminals, but we expect non-criminals to be non-criminals".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 01:21 PM (nEklA)

224 How TF can the Panama Canal run low on water? Isn't it between two oceans and have massive pump capacity?
Posted by: fluffy
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Is filled by a lake.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 01:22 PM (nEklA)

225 How TF can the Panama Canal run low on water? Isn't it between two oceans and have massive pump capacity?
Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2023 01:20 PM (86W+h)


It is an old school gravity lock canal. Fed by a lake in the middle.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:22 PM (3oiFl)

226 222 How TF can the Panama Canal run low on water? Isn't it between two oceans and have massive pump capacity?
Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2023 01:20 PM (86W+h)

I am reminded of Venezuela going broke pumping oil after they nationalized the oil.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:23 PM (zZu0s)

227 Didja see Gov. Lujan "Gun Grab" Grisham's explanation for her gun ban?

"The governor says she doesn’t expect criminals to follow the order. But she hopes it is “a resounding message,” to everyone else in the community to report gun crime."

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Resounding messages are tight!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
***

Maybe next election the voters send a resounding message.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 01:23 PM (uSHSS)

228 It gets stranger, here's a headline from PV Magazine:
"A single solar panel can offset the carbon emissions of 10 trees"
Posted by: Reddy Kilowatt

A new Star Trek series, Strange New Worlds, premiered last night. It begins by featuring a giant wind turbine so I guess in 300 years turbine will work.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 01:24 PM (FVME7)

229 Well, asked and answered.

Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2023 01:24 PM (86W+h)

230 A new Star Trek series, Strange New Worlds, premiered last night. It begins by featuring a giant wind turbine so I guess in 300 years turbine will work.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 01:24 PM (FVME7)

They use matter-antimatter to power their ships. And fusion in the impulse engines. WTF needs wind turbines?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2023 01:25 PM (zZu0s)

231 There is a particular obligation to first do no harm
Oh, honey. You are WAY behind the times. (I believe that portion of the Hippocratic oath is long gone.)

Posted by: GWB at September 09, 2023 01:25 PM (M+Nrs)

232 Three fumbles and a pick. Nebraska offense is stinking up the place.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:26 PM (3oiFl)

233 TD Colorado after the pick.

10-0 Buffs.

Colorado has been fun to watch these first two games.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:27 PM (3oiFl)

234 So the governor says she doesn’t expect criminals to follow the order, but hey! Gonna disarm all you people so the criminals won't have to be violent.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 01:28 PM (uSHSS)

235 Certainly a lot of hype to go along with it. I expect things will settle down a bit as the season progresses.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 09, 2023 01:30 PM (V8he0)

236 Panama... Chinese enlarged the locks which would use more water, and probably run it non-stop.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 01:32 PM (ga8qR)

237 How TF can the Panama Canal run low on water? Isn't it between two oceans and have massive pump capacity?
Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2023 01:20 PM (86W+h)


It is an old school gravity lock canal. Fed by a lake in the middle.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:22 PM (3oiFl)

WHAT IF EVERYONE in the WORLD sent them a bottle of water ?

Posted by: JT at September 09, 2023 01:33 PM (T4tVD)

238 Study finds meth in 100% of air samples aboard Seattle buses, trains

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Well,that explains a lot but there is still the chicken or the egg argument.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 01:33 PM (FVME7)

239 Colorado looks like kids having fun. I am pretty sure they could give Vandy a run for their money.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:33 PM (3oiFl)

240 Are the Panama Canal locks double locks? Those cut the water use by half since you can feed the going up side from the going down side.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:35 PM (3oiFl)

241 They use matter-antimatter to power their ships. And fusion in the impulse engines. WTF needs wind turbines?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Still sucking on that sweet subsidy teet.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 01:35 PM (ga8qR)

242 It's a good time to remember that Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal away.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 01:36 PM (FVME7)

243 This thread is going to heil

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 09, 2023 01:39 PM (Ya0cO)

244 It's a good time to remember that Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal away.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

"Take my canal.....PLEASE !"

Posted by: JT at September 09, 2023 01:39 PM (T4tVD)

245 Are the Panama Canal locks double locks? Those cut the water use by half since you can feed the going up side from the going down side.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

True, but always flows downhill. But then again, with Chinese efficiency who knows how they run them now.
Usually locks wait until full of ships before cycling (wear and tear, never mind the water).

And we have the rare tropical rain forest drought.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 01:40 PM (ga8qR)

246 A penal colony it was, is, and always shall be.

Posted by: Peanut Butter-Sandwich at September 09, 2023 01:40 PM (x3wiL)

247 I'm digging another canel as soon as I'm done plowing Roselyn.

Posted by: Jimmy at September 09, 2023 01:41 PM (tSu8m)

248 Are the Panama Canal locks double locks? Those cut the water use by half since you can feed the going up side from the going down side.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:35 PM (3oiFl)

I think you're right. There's some YouTube videos on how they work.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 09, 2023 01:41 PM (BdMk6)

249 242 It's a good time to remember that Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal away.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 09, 2023 01:36 PM (FVME7)

243 This thread is going to heil
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 09, 2023 01:39 PM (Ya0cO)

From Carter --> Hell.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 09, 2023 01:41 PM (ga8qR)

250 Nebraska QB went out of bounds on 3rd down, giving Colorado 40 seconds before the half after the punt. Good enough for a FG.

13-0 Buffs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:43 PM (3oiFl)

251 It's a good time to remember that Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal away.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

I remember. The biggest territorial blunder in modern world history.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 09, 2023 01:44 PM (BdMk6)

252 Cornhusker offense has not looked sharp.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:44 PM (3oiFl)

253 243 This thread is going to heil
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 09, 2023 01:39 PM (Ya0cO)

'Straight to the moon, Alice!'

Posted by: Werner von Braun at September 09, 2023 01:51 PM (zZu0s)

254 Nobody called NOOD? Fine, I will.

NOOD. Gardening thread up as of ~40 mins ago.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 09, 2023 02:01 PM (qPw5n)

255 "It's a good time to remember that Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal away. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

I remember. The biggest territorial blunder in modern world history." Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops

Helping China with their Belt and Road plans, even back then? Was Jimmy also on the take, or just an altruistic idiot?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 02:03 PM (Cus5s)

256 {255} ... Helping China with their Belt and Road plans, even back then? Was Jimmy also on the take, or just an altruistic idiot?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 09, 2023 02:03 PM (Cus5s)

Was an arse to the Secret Service when out of the public eye. Gave the Panama Canal away when he didn't have to. Granted Communist China official diplomatic status with the USA on Jan 1 1979. Dragged his heels for over a year during the Iran hostage crisis, which was resolved as soon as Reagan was in power. Oh, and remember the gasoline rationing and shortages, and the economic disaster that was? (Gee, this is sounding awfully familiar...)

Clinton: Also an arse to the Secret Service (both of them were.) Sold nuclear secrets to the Chinese. Tried very hard to compromise domestic encryption with the clipper chip.

Obamas: Secret Service must hate democrats by now... And I'm not going to go into this arse's ignoble record.

Y'know what? I'm going to go ahead and say that Jimmy was on the take too, and it looks to me like the Chinese are definitely playing the long game and are enjoying screwing over both the USA and Canada as much as they can.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 09, 2023 02:14 PM (qPw5n)

257 The Dignity Canal has no locks. Only pain.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 09, 2023 02:30 PM (fZEM+)

258 That slime Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal to the panamanians but the panamanians have turned it over to the Communist Chinese. Most people don't even know that communist China Now controls are Passage from the Pacific to the Atlantic. Isn't that special?

Posted by: Beverly at September 09, 2023 02:36 PM (Epeb0)

259 This thread is going to heil
Posted by: vmom
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Heh. The road to perdition is paved with AoSHQ comments.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2023 02:37 PM (oLF0J)

260 This thread is going to heil
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Yup. I Goering-tee it.

Posted by: Cheerful Reprobate at September 09, 2023 02:38 PM (wCkB+)

261 TD Colorado after the pick.

10-0 Buffs.

Colorado has been fun to watch these first two games.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 09, 2023 01:27 PM (3oiFl)
***

They are.
Granddaughter of Diogenes #2 is at the rain-delayed Virginia Tech game. She's soaked.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 02:39 PM (uSHSS)

262 So the twit governor says no constitutional right is fixed...including her oath.
WTF!!!???

Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2023 02:47 PM (uSHSS)

263 11 Senator Kennedy really had that DOE parasite wrapped around himself like the snake that he is. Defund the whole damn DOE already and be done with it. Enough with the carbon neutral bullshit.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at September 09, 2023 11:19

/////

He went back to the DOE and got backslaps and high fives fir not giving away the secret bullsh*t. His wife gave him a big kiss for keeping open the prospects of a high-paying job with a contractor after leaving government.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 09, 2023 03:00 PM (TTlrg)

264 Well, Leftists certainly have dropped the Constitution for what they want the law to be.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2023 03:19 PM (fwDg9)

265 KT, if you see this.
(This was a very impressive post.)

I don't know if you are interested, but I saw something surprising (not surprising) that I have not seen reported anywhere. It was in Texas Monthly and here is the key graf:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/
sweetwater-wind-turbine-blades-dump/

"The Sweetwater piles are also at least partly the indirect result of a rule clarification the Internal Revenue Service issued in 2016. Before then, a wind farm could collect valuable federal tax credits for only its first ten years of operation. But the IRS determined that it would restart the clock on the credits if a wind farm “repowered” its turbines—replacing most of their equipment with newer parts. So, despite the expected two-decade lifespan for turbine blades, wind farms across Texas and other states began replacing many that remained in good shape years early."

This plays with the GND insanity.

"sustainable"
"Environmentally friendly"

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 09, 2023 04:16 PM (tyepE)

266 Does anyone hangout on this thread while they're discussing plants and animals up there? I kill plants and can't wait to be unencumbered by my pests.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 09, 2023 04:21 PM (7Fj9P)

267 Gender dysphoria in children ...

____________

... doesn't exist.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2023 05:02 PM (YqDXo)

268 "Shock and Awe" worked fine, it was the Powell Doctrine (you break it, you bought it) that fucked things up

Posted by: JD at September 09, 2023 06:29 PM (MK90b)

269 Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 09, 2023 04:16 PM

Wow. That is incredible. Michael Shellenberger regularly writes about the non-recyclable waste of solar and of wind turbines but those IRS rules make things much worse.

Posted by: KT at September 09, 2023 07:15 PM (rrtZS)

270 A friend just returned from a month driving around Australia. He was last there just before the Covid fiasco. He said the changes there were astonishing in that short period. The Australian people seem to have completely caved to the gay and trans idology with free speech under greater attack than even the UK or US. It seemed to dimish the further he got from the large cities but was still present in some ways until he was in very small towns.

Really sad. I have a cousin near Sidney but haven't been there in over 20 years. I was contemplating a trip until I talked with my friend, probably won't waste my time now.

Posted by: madmike at September 10, 2023 12:20 PM (EXdsF)

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