THE MORNING RANT: The Fraudulence of Experts (and Has the Forensic Scientist from the O.J. Simpson Trial Been Fabricating Evidence?)

Over the past few years, the term “Expert” has lost its cachet, and for most of us on the political right, it is a term we now use with mockery and derision. While there is little to celebrate about the politicization of once-reputable institutions, or how various “experts” were able to whip up a freedom-suffocating mass hysteria over Covid, a much welcome side-effect has been the erosion of credibility of “experts.”

They never deserved the credibility that they squandered. The word “expert” was widely overused and abused in recent decades. Declaring a person with some level of subject matter knowledge an “expert,” and empowering him to determine how others may live their lives, plants the seed for him to become an authoritarian demon even if he was a kind and gentle person before being given that authority. An “expert” whose pronouncements are God-like and who may not be challenged is an extremely dangerous person…one who often can’t exercise restraint with the power given to him.

29 years ago, a story in Texas taught me to never believe the pronouncements from any one “expert” who has a talent for divining scientific truths that can affect others’ lives. In 1994, the Bexar County (San Antonio) forensic serologist, Fred Zain, was found to have repeatedly lied under oath and provided falsified evidence needed for prosecutors to obtain criminal convictions. Previously he had done the same for the West Virginia State Police. (I’ll go into a little more detail about Mr. Zain’s false testimony later in this piece.)

Ever since then, I’ve said that I would never convict a person solely based on DNA evidence, nor solely based on any one person’s “expert testimony.” Beyond that, I have never assumed that any expert in any field is reliable if there is incentive (fame, money, power, etc.) for providing a desired “expert analysis.” [Hello, climate scientists.]

Coincidentally, the O.J. Simpson trial occurred about a year later. I have no interest in re-litigating the O.J. trial, and I have little doubt that he was the murderer, but I felt like a lone voice at the time stating that I would not consider the DNA evidence if I were a juror. If O.J. could be convicted based on the gloves, shoes, his personal movement, etc., that is fine, but I did not trust the “one in 21 billion” expert DNA analysis.

It looks like my skepticism might have been warranted…

“Forensic Scientist Henry Lee, Known for O.J. Simpson and JonBenet Ramsey Cases, Found Liable for Fabricating Evidence in Wrongful Murder Convictions [New York Daily News – 7/22/2023]

Forensic scientist Henry Lee, known for his expert testimony in high-profile criminal cases including the O.J. Simpson murder trial and the JonBenet Ramsey case, has been found liable for fabricating evidence that led to a wrongful murder conviction.
A Connecticut federal judge ruled Lee liable on Friday for his role in the wrongful conviction after tests proved that the stains identified as blood on a towel were not blood, reported the Hartford Courant.
Judge Victor Bolden wrote that Lee failed to provide evidence to support his testimony about forensic tests he said showed the stains were blood.
“Dr. Lee’s own experts concluded that there is no ‘written documentation or photographic’ evidence” that Lee performed a particular scientific blood test on a towel, Bolden said. “And there is evidence in this record that the tests actually conducted did not indicate the presence of blood,” the judge added.

Understandably, Dr. Lee is defending his credibility and protesting the Connecticut judge’s ruling. While I don’t know the truth, I rate the possibility that Dr. Lee may have fudged some evidence to be better than one in 21 billion.

If you’re interested in the Fred Zain case, below are some excerpts from an old Los Angeles Times story dating back to 1994.

Fred Zain, a police chemist whose expert testimony and lab tests helped put scores of rapists and murderers behind bars in two states over 13 years, now finds himself in the dock.
Zain is charged with lying in court and tampering with evidence in his laboratories, compelling judges in West Virginia and Texas to release men sent to prison on the strength of blood and semen samples Zain verified.
“I really have no idea why he did what he did,” said Jack Buckalew, a former superintendent of the West Virginia State Police. “The only possible reason I can speculate on is to enhance his status with prosecutors by saying what he thought they wanted him to say.”
Zain worked as a serologist for the West Virginia State Police from 1980 to 1989. He resigned to become chief of physical evidence for the medical examiner in Bexar County, Tex.
Texas has freed two men convicted on now-disproven blood tests done by Zain: Gilbert Alejandro, who served four years of a 12-year sentence, and Jack W. Davis, convicted of murder in 1990.
Zain’s work or testimony figures in hundreds of other Texas cases, and authorities say they will review each one.
A panel appointed by the state Supreme Court found that Zain, at numerous trials, fabricated or altered evidence and lied about academic qualifications under oath. The panel’s report said Zain was routinely “overstating the strength of results, overstating the frequency of genetic matches . . . reporting inconclusive results as conclusive, repeatedly altering laboratory records . . . implying a match with a suspect when testing supported only a match with the victim, and reporting scientifically impossible or improbable results.”
Even after Zain had moved to San Antonio, West Virginia prosecutors continued to seek him out to analyze evidence because his results were more favorable than those obtained by his successors, according to George Castelle, a Charleston public defender.
“After Zain left, the lab sometimes couldn’t make any determinations, or the defendant would come within 40% of the population, whereas Zain always gave better probabilities because he faked evidence,” Castelle said.

Lives were ruined, justice was denied, and freedoms were lost due to the fraudulent “expertise” of Fred Zain. “Covid experts” and “climate experts” are little different from Mr. Zain.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

2 And we're on to the next thread

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 25, 2023 11:00 AM (qPw5n)

3 That's quite the image......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Nice one Sponge!

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 25, 2023 11:00 AM (qPw5n)

5 I am an expert on blog etiquette. Also, an auto-didact.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 25, 2023 11:02 AM (bQKgA)

6 Expert - a has-been drip under pressure.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 25, 2023 11:02 AM (qPw5n)

7 Could the tests and results be faked? Then they were.

Posted by: t-bird at August 25, 2023 11:02 AM (dNNCD)

8 Hmmm. It's posts like that that make us question the expertise of our COBs....

Posted by: AoSHQ Expert Review Board of Experts at August 25, 2023 11:02 AM (YIVH2)

9 Oh hi Frank...

Posted by: Mr. Olson at August 25, 2023 11:03 AM (/HDaX)

10 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2023 11:03 AM (T4tVD)

11 I would not believe the evidence of any 'expert' who got paid, directly or indirectly, for testifying.

Just like opinion polls, you can get any result you want just by choosing who you talk to.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:03 AM (xcxpd)

12 If the helix don't clicks, you must acquits!

Posted by: zombie jackie chiles at August 25, 2023 11:03 AM (krqg6)

13 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (h5FTW)

14 Next, let's discuss the fraud from the FBI crime labs...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (xcxpd)

15 Zain...moving on to the FBI lab?

Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

16 29 years ago, a story in Texas taught me to never believe the pronouncements from any one “expert” who has a talent for divining scientific truths that can affect others’ lives. In 1994, the Bexar County (San Antonio) forensic serologist, Fred Zain, was found to have repeatedly lied under oath and provided falsified evidence needed for prosecutors to obtain criminal convictions.

My faith in experts was shot when I realized there were competing "experts" in criminal and civil trials.

5 + 5 = 10. How can "experts" not agree?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (G8h7g)

17 Experts say that posts like this one undermine the confidence of Americans in experts.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (bQKgA)

18 Dr. Heinz Doofenschmirtz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mad scientist up top

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (xTRSc)

19 The experts are wrong!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 25, 2023 11:05 AM (4I/2K)

20 I’m an expert in all questions re: is a hot dog a sandwich
- Goucher College Grad, Jonah G.

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:05 AM (5yi9d)

21 I am an expert on blog etiquette. Also, an auto-didact.
Posted by: Cicero

I know a doctor that can fix that.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:05 AM (G8h7g)

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Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:05 AM (krqg6)

23 When I see the phase "experts say" I stop reading. It's a sure sign that the author is about to embark on some ventriloquist journalism.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (bQKgA)

24 17 Experts say that posts like this one undermine the confidence of Americans in experts.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 25, 2023 11:04 AM (bQKgA)

Experts undermine the confidence in experts.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (zZu0s)

25 Attorney's who have been involved with liability cases will tell you (or not) that it is possible to find an 'expert' who will provide testimony to support *any* claim.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (g3gMh)

26 This guy should be working for the CDC.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (Hudry)

27 Growing up, my dad always defined an expert as "A drip under pressure". I think he got that from his cousin, who was sometimes called on to give expert testimony in courts regarding his scientific area of expertise.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (nC+QA)

28 “Dr. Lee’s own experts concluded that there is no ‘written documentation or photographic’ evidence” that Lee performed a particular scientific blood test on a towel, Bolden said. “And there is evidence in this record that the tests actually conducted did not indicate the presence of blood,” the judge added.
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So was it a straight-up "take my word for it" thing? "I said I did it, which means I did it!"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

29
The OJ Simpson jurors didn't consider the DNA evidence either, only the skin color of the perpetrator and his victims.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (d4X7t)

30 experts
influencers
thought leaders

all can be better and more accurately known as wankers

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 25, 2023 11:07 AM (4I/2K)

31 I read an article several years ago about blood-spatter analysis. Basically, the guy who sold it as a legitimate field of forensics made most of it up.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:07 AM (xTRSc)

32 Growing up, my dad always defined an expert as "A drip under pressure". I think he got that from his cousin, who was sometimes called on to give expert testimony in courts regarding his scientific area of expertise.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (nC+QA)
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I was once told, "If you want to be an expert, just carry a briefcase and make sure you work at least 50 miles from home."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)

33 Definitions of an expert by one of my engineering profs -

An expert is anyone from out-of-town.

An expert asks you for a number and gives it back to you.

Posted by: Gref at August 25, 2023 11:07 AM (AMIL/)

34 Ted Olson, Scientist:
So Billy, electrostatic particles are created by an imbalace of electrons. The resulting charge is what we scientists call static electricity.

Billy:
Gee...

Ted Olson, Scientist:
It's, it's just like when your mom takes a dress out of the dryer, puts it on and it clings to every supple curve and soft, round...

[there's a loud crash from the hall, then Frank enters]

Ted Olson, Scientist:
Oh Hi Frank. Eh, why don't you run along now, Billy. Next week don't forget to bring in those magazines you found under your father's bed.

Billy:
Ok, Mr. Olson. Bye.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 25, 2023 11:07 AM (/HDaX)

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Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:07 AM (krqg6)

36 “Covid experts” and “climate experts” are little different from Mr. Zain.

I'm curious about the people who recognize the BS in the Covid, but not the climate experts. It's the same playbook, but the Covid thing was so focused in both degree and duration that some otherwise "woke" people are questioning that which may not be questioned.

The wildly overstated understanding of the mechanics of the problem, the solutions which make no sense, and the elites ignoring the proscriptions for themselves are the same in both. I'm hoping that seeing through the BS in one will lead some people to a real reckoning with the second.

I'm not counting on it, but it'd be nice.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 25, 2023 11:08 AM (z+89e)

37 Back when I was young and stupid and in law school, they talked about the use and presentation of expert witnesses and I thought, "WTF? I believe in science. The science says this. The end."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:08 AM (FVME7)

38 Experts and Pollsters have a lot in common.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (Hudry)

39 My faith in experts was shot when I realized there were competing "experts" in criminal and civil trials.

5 + 5 = 10. How can "experts" not agree?
Posted by: rickb223
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In many criminal cases, however, the defense does not have the money to hire its own experts. That is one of the reasons why rich defendants have an advantage over poor defendants at trial.

It would be better to have publicly funded labs that are totally divorced from law enforcement or defense.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (cXjiH)

40 and congrats to Sponge

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

41 39 It would be better to have publicly funded labs that are totally divorced from law enforcement or defense.
Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (cXjiH)

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Well...if it's publicly funded, then it's political, and then there's political motivation to control it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

42 The only experts I listen to are Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Anthony Fauci.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

43 Oh, and Greta.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

44 My faith in experts was shot when I realized there were competing "experts" in criminal and civil trials.

when prosecutors want to nail an accused individual, and they lack the evidence to convict, they hire experts to "testi-lie".
Usually this fraudulent "evidence" can be had for around 40-50k.

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (dCxaZ)

45 The only experts I listen to are Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Anthony Fauci.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

Shucks. *kicks dirt*

Posted by: Jim Cramer at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (4I/2K)

46 This is a quote from a WAPo article today crying that social media isn’t doing enough censoring…

“ Experts in disinformation say the dynamic headed into 2024 calls for more aggressive efforts to combat it, not less. “Musk has taken the bar and put it on the floor,” said Emily Bell, a professor at the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia University, where she studies the relationship between tech platforms and news publishers. For the 2024 presidential election, misinformation around races is “going to be even worse,” she added.”

Because you study something you’re an expert. OK. studied Spanish and French in HS,
I suppose that makes me an expert in Romance languages.

And it said experts, as in plural. But they give one example. And OK she’s an expert. Why does she think this? Where is the evidence? Where is the data? Or does being an expert mean you get to say opinions and they automatically become fact.

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (5yi9d)

47 So Billy, when the moisture in the air comes in contact with the cold pitcher, it forms water droplets. What we call condensation. Just like your mother when she gets out of the shower, glistening with tiny little beads of... - oh, hi Frank.

Posted by: Ted Olson at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (/HDaX)

48 “I really have no idea why he did what he did,” said Jack Buckalew, a former superintendent of the West Virginia State Police. “The only possible reason I can speculate on is to enhance his status with prosecutors by saying what he thought they wanted him to say.”

This, too, is the story of Anthony Fauci.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

49 and congrats to Sponge
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

WOOT!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

50 29 years ago ...

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I was nearly born on this day.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel at August 25, 2023 11:12 AM (f6UzA)

51 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 4h
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-
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:12 AM (FVME7)

52 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 4h
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BTW, the new government arrested Bolsonaro's youngest son last week.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:12 AM (krqg6)

53 41 39 It would be better to have publicly funded labs that are totally divorced from law enforcement or defense.
Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (cXjiH)

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Well...if it's publicly funded, then it's political, and then there's political motivation to control it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

It isn't Hunter Biden's laptop because 97% of computer experts in the State Crime Lab say it isn't.

Posted by: Gref at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (AMIL/)

54 The only experts I listen to are Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Anthony Fauci.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)
Oh, and Greta.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

No love for Michael "hockey stick" Mann?

Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (AwYPR)

55 Henry Lee is the John Kerry of Al Gore's.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)

56 Well...if it's publicly funded, then it's political, and then there's political motivation to control it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Still better than having such labs under law enforcement wing.

If the defense and law enforcement have to use the same labs and can hire outside opinions if necessary, then you will get a better result. Know several experts for hire in legal cases and the top DUI procedure expert in my state is a former retired cop in the State Police that trained state and local police how to conduct the tests.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (cXjiH)

57 53 It isn't Hunter Biden's laptop because 97% of computer experts in the State Crime Lab say it isn't.
Posted by: Gref at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (AMIL/)

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The final 3% have been...corrected.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

58 Bongino calling for Biden family Mugshots for their actual crimes.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (CecP5)

59 It isn't Hunter Biden's laptop because 97% of computer experts in the State Crime Lab say it isn't.
Posted by: Gref

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ah yes, the "Pizzagate has been debunked" technique.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:14 AM (oZ23Y)

60 I am an expert in all modalities, Lt Yar.

Posted by: Lt Cdr Data at August 25, 2023 11:14 AM (4I/2K)

61 I'm not the least bit surprised that "experts" especially "scientific experts" would fabricate data or evidence to prove their pet theories or advance their agenda.

Or net them more money.

I've worked with them. This is how they operate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

62 Yeah no. Having the prosecution and lab both paid for by the same people is a horrible no good bad awful idea.

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:14 AM (5yi9d)

63 42 The only experts I listen to are Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Anthony Fauci.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

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Don't forget about me! I'm straight out of central casting, complete with the beady eyeballs!

Posted by: Michael Mann, Climatologist at August 25, 2023 11:14 AM (xxG/v)

64 Oh they were probably guilty of something, just not what they were convicted of, so a little prison time was likely deserved anyway.

Posted by: This beating's for what I DIDN'T catch you doing! at August 25, 2023 11:15 AM (fhX0j)

65 49 and congrats to Sponge
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Finally got propositioned?? Cool, dude!

That just leaves ace.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:15 AM (krqg6)

66 Damn. I remember that story from San Antonio well. I just hadn't heard about it in years til this reminded me.

Lubbock has had its own issues with the coroner/medical examiner as well.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2023 11:15 AM (f0XAF)

67 Experts in disinformation say the dynamic headed into 2024 calls for more aggressive efforts to combat it, not less.

"experts in disinformation". I love when they get specific like that because it makes you think, what sort of retard bestows the title of "expert in disinformation" upon someone for an article they're writing?

Posted by: t-bird at August 25, 2023 11:15 AM (ptElO)

68 29 years ago ...

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I was nearly born on this day.
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel at August 25, 2023 11:12 AM (f6UzA)

Congrats!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 25, 2023 11:15 AM (4I/2K)

69 59 It isn't Hunter Biden's laptop because 97% of computer experts in the State Crime Lab say it isn't.
Posted by: Gref

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ah yes, the "Pizzagate has been debunked" technique.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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There is no perfect system but a lot of poor criminal defendants get railroaded simply because they are too poor to pay for expert testimony and states are stingy with defense experts but not prosecutors.

Bad convictions are the result.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:16 AM (cXjiH)

70 Experts in disinformation say the dynamic headed into 2024 calls for more aggressive efforts to combat it, not less.

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Disinformation = 1st Amendment

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:16 AM (oZ23Y)

71 --------
In many criminal cases, however, the defense does not have the money to hire its own experts. That is one of the reasons why rich defendants have an advantage over poor defendants at trial.
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I once worked with a firm that did meticulous accident reconstruction/failure analysis. On one occasion, they were hired by an plaintiff's lawyers to do *nothing*. The plaintiff's lawyers did not want the defendant's people to hire them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 11:16 AM (48u4S)

72 No love for Michael "hockey stick" Mann?
Posted by: BignJames

I think the streams may have been crossed.

Michael Mann Reveals He’s Spoken To Adam Driver Extensively To Play Neil McCauley In “Heat” Sequel

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (FVME7)

73 One of my favorite scenes from The Simpsons was in the episode where they discovered the "angel" skeleton. Turns out it was a fake skeleton used as part of a marketing stunt.

But during the episode, the town hires a scientist to determine if the skeleton is real or not. After the hoax is revealed, Lisa asks him, "Why didn't your test show that the skeleton was fake?

He replies, "I'm going to be honest with you, Lisa, I never did the test." And just walks away.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (KbCG3)

74 Were the people released due to Zain's testimony guilty?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (63Dwl)

75 It’s amazing though how everyone on the left just buys into this. Oh an expert said, well it must be so. And if you disagree you hate education or something.

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (5yi9d)

76 there was a guy on death row in AZ, can't recall his name, and the state was just about to off him when his attorney, Alan Simpson was able to get the execution stayed, can't recall if it was DNA or what...

and the real perp was located, already in custody, who confessed to the crime. The innocent man on death row had been convicted on the strength of the testi-lying of an "expert" prosecution witness.

(The day the jury delivered the guilty verdict for this man, his mother collapsed in court from a heart attack because, get this... he was at home with her when the crime was committed.)

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (dCxaZ)

77 Fred Zain, a police chemist whose expert testimony and lab tests helped put scores of rapists and murderers behind bars in two states over 13 years, now finds himself in the dock.

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This plot line was used a couple years ago in the "CSI: Vegas" reboot to get Grissom, Sarah, and Hodges to return from the original for one season to reprise their roles.

Wasn't too bad and not too woke -- always loved the original (the creator of the original, Anthony Zuiker, graduated from my high school in Vegas -- but after I was there).

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (f6UzA)

78 There is no perfect system but a lot of poor criminal defendants get railroaded simply because they are too poor to pay for expert testimony and states are stingy with defense experts but not prosecutors.

Bad convictions are the result.
Posted by: whig

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Yeah, I haven't been called to jury duty in decades, but I realize the older that I view my responsibilities much differently than I did when I was younger.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (oZ23Y)

79 54 The only experts I listen to are Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Anthony Fauci.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)
Oh, and Greta.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

No love for Michael "hockey stick" Mann?
Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2023 11:13 AM (AwYPR)

I crap bigger than them.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Omni-Expert at August 25, 2023 11:18 AM (PiwSw)

80 Experts in disinformation say the dynamic headed into 2024 calls for more aggressive efforts to combat it, not less.
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Well, I mean, they are experts in disinformation, so...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 11:18 AM (48u4S)

81 59 It isn't Hunter Biden's laptop because 97% of computer experts in the State Crime Lab say it isn't.
Posted by: Gref

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ah yes, the "Pizzagate has been debunked" technique.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:14 AM (oZ23Y)

I haven't heard that case of expert assessment. The 97% case I know of is the one from about 10 years ago, "97% of climate science experts agree the climate model predictions are correct."

Posted by: Gref at August 25, 2023 11:18 AM (AMIL/)

82 Still living down the Piltdown Man affair.

Posted by: Experts at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (4I/2K)

83 29
The OJ Simpson jurors didn't consider the DNA evidence either, only the skin color of the perpetrator and his victims.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 25, 2023 11:06 AM (d4X7t)

His celebrity as a football star too, but mostly the skin color. Dude was guilty AF.

Posted by: Judge Ito was a fag and the prosecutors' shit was all retarded at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (fhX0j)

84 Oh they were probably guilty of something, just not what they were convicted of, so a little prison time was likely deserved anyway.
Posted by: This beating's for what I DIDN'T catch you doing!

It all came out in the wash.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (FVME7)

85 62 Yeah no. Having the prosecution and lab both paid for by the same people is a horrible no good bad awful idea.
Posted by: Montec
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In every state, the state lab is placed under law enforcement and that includes fedgov. That is the problem--the experts are literally hired by the state for law enforcement.

Having a state funded lab under another agency is preferable just like having the state courts funded separately from the police is also required.

Does not prevent either side from going outside the system as well.

People respond to their paychecks.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (cXjiH)

86 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
Elon Musk vows to sue George Soros-funded NGOs over free speech

gript @griptmedia Aug 24
CEO of Tesla, Elon Musk, who acquired X (formerly Twitter) last year, has said that his corporation will file legal action to stop hate speech laws in Ireland and elsewhere which critics say are being used to clamp down on free speech. #gript

https://tinyurl.com/mpb2mmy9

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (krqg6)

87 Felipe Camozzato
https://tinyurl.com/yc3w7fps

12 seconds; Portuguese colour commentary.

Pretty cool. He mentions a meteor, but I'll wait for an "expert in rare atmospheric phenomena" to confirm that.

Posted by: t-bird at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (amJF4)

88 I haven't heard that case of expert assessment. The 97% case I know of is the one from about 10 years ago, "97% of climate science experts agree the climate model predictions are correct."
Posted by: Gref

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That was the joke.

Ask the people involved in the money laundering, crime, racqueteering (sp?) to debunk the conspiracy theory. Poof, it's debunked!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (oZ23Y)

89 In my job I get reports almost daily that contain the phrases "Experts say..." "Scientists say..." blah, blah. I have always been leery of this but after COVID-Palooza, I believe no one until I get name/s and their background in the field and their current position, etc. Which is to say, never.

The powers that be have sowed this and are now reaping this. I only wonder how many Americans feel the same way now.

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (oiNtH)

90 1990

How horrible if innocent

No words

You got one life

One

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (MwHgU)

91
This plot line was used a couple years ago in the "CSI: Vegas" reboot to get Grissom, Sarah, and Hodges to return from the original for one season to reprise their roles.

Wasn't too bad and not too woke -- always loved the original (the creator of the original, Anthony Zuiker, graduated from my high school in Vegas -- but after I was there).
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (f6UzA)

It's funny......the original was based in Vegas. There's been sooooo many spinoffs of that show, they went back and now have CSI: Vegas and even brought back the annoying stroke mouthed Marg Helgenberger as the lead.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

92 Sure Kremlin had nothing to do with it, Putin just said: " Will no one rid me of this turbulent chef?!"

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (RA7Yy)

93 [having finally found drugs after completely taking apart a car]

It was in the glove compartment.

Posted by: Ted Olson at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (/HDaX)

94 Make Sherlock Holmes great again!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (xTRSc)

95 So, I'm on a project that's gone massively overbudget because the client has dragged their feet on everything, and the project manager on our side is filing a change order for more time, essentially.

He has someone over his shoulder now, and she showed up on a meeting I just ran about the testing piece. She essentially demanded a full breakdown of the entire testing process (we're 3 months into this, and everyone knows) and then wondered why we were having the meeting at all because there were so few updates (we're pending the client fixing some stuff on their end before testing can continue, but we have defects that we continue to monitor).

Very aggressive lady, essentially wasting my time and then complaining that I'm wasting time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

96 Not sure about when " expert " became a know it all but OJ trial killed a jury verdict being true

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (h5FTW)

97 Jailhouse Snitches > Experts

Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (AwYPR)

98 49 and congrats to Sponge
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

WOOT!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

For being first or for never being propositioned by a hooker?

Posted by: Which really at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (fhX0j)

99 It’s amazing though how everyone on the left just buys into this. Oh an expert said, well it must be so. And if you disagree you hate education or something.
Posted by: Montec
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Lately, there has been a blitz of, 'Studies show....'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (Ym2uE)

100 ... “ Experts in disinformation say the dynamic headed into 2024 calls for more aggressive efforts to combat it, not less. “Musk has taken the bar and put it on the floor,” said Emily Bell, a professor at the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia University, where she studies the relationship between tech platforms and news publishers. For the 2024 presidential election, misinformation around races is “going to be even worse,” she added.” ...
Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (5yi9d)
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Blah blah blah. Liar monopolists upset about losing their monopoly and demanding that liars be installed in the other venues. Whatever. It's so typical it isn't even interesting anymore.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (t0OGg)

101 Dammit.

Posted by: Which really is a matter of perspective at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (fhX0j)

102
His celebrity as a football star too, but mostly the skin color. Dude was guilty AF.
Posted by: Judge Ito was a fag and the prosecutors' shit was all retarded at August 25, 2023 11:19 AM (fhX0j)

But, the glove didn't fit. We all know the rule.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

103 Michael Mann Reveals He’s Spoken To Adam Driver Extensively To Play Neil McCauley In “Heat” Sequel
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (FVME7)

Hmm. McCauley died in Heat. Is Adam Driver going to be playing a corpse?

Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (pyXMr)

104 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1h
WATCH 🚨 Lahaina resident: “I think Biden should take his $700 and get back on the fu*king plane.”
Jeremy Loffredo

https://tinyurl.com/2x4mm47u
1:13 minutes; an older woman, BTW.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (krqg6)

105 Wait what CSI is back? I haven’t watched network TV in many years since I cut cable. I did like that show a lot, never got into the other city spin offs.

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (5yi9d)

106 "97% of climate science experts agree the climate model predictions are correct."

Posted by: Gref at August 25, 2023 11:18 AM (AMIL/)

Saw the basis for that stat and I believe it was a survey from a single conference with something like 60 attendees.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (KbCG3)

107 Nothing new.

Posted by: The FBI Crime Lab! at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (u6/wt)

108 So, I'm on a project that's gone massively overbudget because the client has dragged their feet on everything, and the project manager on our side is filing a change order for more time, essentially.

He has someone over his shoulder now, and she showed up on a meeting I just ran about the testing piece. She essentially demanded a full breakdown of the entire testing process...

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Probably nothing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (oZ23Y)

109
For being first or for never being propositioned by a hooker?
Posted by: Which really at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (fhX0j)

I guess I remain disease free for a reason.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

110 Very aggressive lady, essentially wasting my time and then complaining that I'm wasting time.

My advice: Just let her know that she sounds vaxxed, then tell her to calm down.

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (dCxaZ)

111 Listen, when the experts are right, they're right.

Latest CDC Advice: Start Masking, Stop Kissing Turtles

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (FVME7)

112 104 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1h
WATCH 🚨 Lahaina resident: “I think Biden should take his $700 and get back on the fu*king plane.”
Jeremy Loffredo

https://tinyurl.com/2x4mm47u
1:13 minutes; an older woman, BTW.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (krqg6)

Wrong. You love him and love his money. - Morning Joe

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (KbCG3)

113 103 Michael Mann Reveals He’s Spoken To Adam Driver Extensively To Play Neil McCauley In “Heat” Sequel
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:17 AM (FVME7)

Hmm. McCauley died in Heat. Is Adam Driver going to be playing a corpse?
Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (pyXMr)

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Heat 2 is already a novel (written by Mann) and a prequel. He wants to make Heat 2 next, but he's said that it depends on how his newest movie (Ferrari, also starring Driver) fares. If it bombs, he probably won't be able to find the money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

114 There is no perfect system but a lot of poor criminal defendants get railroaded simply because they are too poor to pay for expert testimony and states are stingy with defense experts but not prosecutors.

Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?

Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

115 I tale climate seriously. It's everywhere, you know?

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (RA7Yy)

116 9 out of 10 dentists surveyed…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (xTRSc)

117 110 Very aggressive lady, essentially wasting my time and then complaining that I'm wasting time.

My advice: Just let her know that she sounds vaxxed, then tell her to calm down.
Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (dCxaZ)

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I put on my best "I know what I'm talking about, and I'm really patient" voice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

118 She essentially demanded a full breakdown of the entire testing process...

which is hilarious because these types wouldn't be able to decipher the breakdown, not in the most minimal sense

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)

119 X = the unknown
Spurt = a drip under pressure

Expert = an unkown drip under pressure

Posted by: buddhaha at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (BMsrR)

120 Hmm. McCauley died in Heat. Is Adam Driver going to be playing a corpse?
Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (pyXMr)

We can work with this.

Posted by: The Walking Dead showrunners, looking ahead at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (PiwSw)

121 The only experts I listen to are Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Anthony Fauci.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:10 AM (xTRSc)

I would listen to Mike Tyson over Neil DeGrasse Tyson any day of the week.

Posted by: At least Mike isn't full of shit at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (fhX0j)

122 Michael Mann Reveals He’s Spoken To Adam Driver Extensively To Play Neil McCauley In “Heat” Sequel

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Why does there need to be a Heat seq...

Oh, that's right. It was a good movie and communists have to destroy everything you love.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (oZ23Y)

123 Millstones !!! Get‘cher millstones here !!!!

Posted by: That guy who is always selling millstones. . . at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (jonTH)

124 For being first or for never being propositioned by a hooker?
Posted by: Which really at August 25, 2023 11:21 AM (fhX0j)

I guess I remain disease free for a reason.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

Deny them your essence!

Posted by: Brig Gen Jack D. Ripper at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (4I/2K)

125 wasn't there a somewhat lengthy article posted yesterday about teh Bidet not running for pResident again?

I have been informed that one of his campaign ads showed up on the tee-vee this morning.

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (dCxaZ)

126 Experts say there should be no sequels of classic movies.

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (5yi9d)

127 I hope they've bought their carbon credits...

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 58m
JUST IN - Large fire burning at Marathon Oil Refinery in Garryville, Louisiana
Jessie⚜️

https://tinyurl.com/mr6747rk
15 seconds; no violence.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (krqg6)

128 Since it's a movie thread now, I just learned there's a video game movie based on the Gran Turismo driving simulator series from the 90s and early 2000s or so.

I'm not sure how that works but I read that it's not too bad.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (oZ23Y)

129 114 There is no perfect system but a lot of poor criminal defendants get railroaded simply because they are too poor to pay for expert testimony and states are stingy with defense experts but not prosecutors.

Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?
Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

Bad things. You've just incentivized the state stacking the deck in an even greater manner.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (KbCG3)

130 =======

Heat 2 is already a novel (written by Mann) and a prequel. He wants to make Heat 2 next, but he's said that it depends on how his newest movie (Ferrari, also starring Driver) fares. If it bombs, he probably won't be able to find the money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

They can all just f*ck right off with their prequel crap......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

131 125 wasn't there a somewhat lengthy article posted yesterday about teh Bidet not running for pResident again?

I have been informed that one of his campaign ads showed up on the tee-vee this morning.
Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (dCxaZ)

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I remember the rumors that Obama wasn't going to even bother to run again because the stench of Fast and Furious was too great for him to overcome.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

132 Disney CEO Bob Iger Says Company Working To Improve The Quality Of Their Films By Reducing Both “The Number Of Titles We Release” And “The Cost Per Title”

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When you get down to 0 and $0, you'll have achieved nirvana.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (FVME7)

133 > Pretty cool. He mentions a meteor, but I'll wait for an "expert in rare atmospheric phenomena" to confirm that.
______________

I'm fairly certain we have a couple on this blog. "Experts" on literally everything.

Just ask them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (Q4IgG)

134 128 Since it's a movie thread now, I just learned there's a video game movie based on the Gran Turismo driving simulator series from the 90s and early 2000s or so.

I'm not sure how that works but I read that it's not too bad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (oZ23Y)

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It's based on a true story of a competition to look for a new race car driver out of the pool of the elite players from the Gran Turismo community.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

135 Experts praise Nickelback and Babe — Pig in the City.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (xTRSc)

136 Since it's a movie thread now, I just learned there's a video game movie based on the Gran Turismo driving simulator series from the 90s and early 2000s or so.

I'm not sure how that works but I read that it's not too bad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (oZ23Y)

The kid played the game well and parleyed it into an actual driving career, supposedly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

137 Back in 1966, the ME who did the autopsy on Whitman declared that he had a brain tumor.
My dad and friends said "Hell, he could have removed his pituitary and not known the difference."
But Whitman needed to be crazy, so...

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (hAfUZ)

138 128 Since it's a movie thread now, I just learned there's a video game movie based on the Gran Turismo driving simulator series from the 90s and early 2000s or so.

I'm not sure how that works but I read that it's not too bad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (oZ23Y)

GT actually did a contest where a gamer would get a real driving contract. This is about the kid who won the contest.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)

139 89 In my job I get reports almost daily that contain the phrases "Experts say..." "Scientists say..." blah, blah. I have always been leery of this but after COVID-Palooza, I believe no one until I get name/s and their background in the field and their current position, etc. Which is to say, never.

The powers that be have sowed this and are now reaping this. I only wonder how many Americans feel the same way now.

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (oiNtH)

Experts warned Oppenheimer and General Groves that exploding an atomic bomb would set the atmosphere on fire.

An expert told the Space Shuttle Program Manager that foam breaking-off the External Tank during ascent could not damage the Orbiter's wing leading edge. The Program Manager believed him.

Posted by: Gref at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (AMIL/)

140 132 Disney CEO Bob Iger Says Company Working To Improve The Quality Of Their Films By Reducing Both “The Number Of Titles We Release” And “The Cost Per Title”

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When you get down to 0 and $0, you'll have achieved nirvana.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (FVME7)

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"We're going to make fewer things and with less money," is the message of a company with $27 billion in gross profits! It's because they're in such great shape!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

141 Disney CEO Bob Iger Says Company Working To Improve The Quality Of Their Films By Reducing Both “The Number Of Titles We Release” And “The Cost Per Title”

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When you get down to 0 and $0, you'll have achieved nirvana.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (FVME7)

It's called "net zero."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

142 114 There is no perfect system but a lot of poor criminal defendants get railroaded simply because they are too poor to pay for expert testimony and states are stingy with defense experts but not prosecutors.

Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?
Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

Well if they have a public defender the state has already paid for the accused's defense. If not, I suspect you'd see more plea deals to avoid trials. And if you were headed toward trial you'd indirectly incentivize prosecutorial misconduct to secure convictions so their heads don't roll come budget time.

Posted by: My spitballing on the ramifications at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (fhX0j)

143
JUST IN - Large fire burning at Marathon Oil Refinery in Garryville, Louisiana

Just when I thought I had saved up enough money for a full tank of gas.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (enJYY)

144 Fox News online must need a few new experts in military aviation. They post a story about a F-18 crash in California, but show a picture of a Russian Bear bomber being tailed by a barely visible fighter.
And my 12 granddaughter could write better copy.
Idiots.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (hv9bm)

145 > Pretty cool. He mentions a meteor, but I'll wait for an "expert in rare atmospheric phenomena" to confirm that.
______________

I'm fairly certain we have a couple on this blog. "Experts" on literally everything.

Just ask them.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (Q4IgG)

I'm so much more experty online. Taller, thinner, & richer, too.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (4I/2K)

146 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

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Just retrace your steps.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

147 It's based on a true story of a competition to look for a new race car driver out of the pool of the elite players from the Gran Turismo community.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

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Interesting. Thanks TJM and everyone else that replied.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (oZ23Y)

148 @TheInsiderPaper 58m
JUST IN - Large fire burning at Marathon Oil Refinery in Garryville, Louisiana ...
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:25 AM (krqg6)
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Ugh. I hope the people there are okay and that the plant can be salvaged. We need all the refinery capacity we can get.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (t0OGg)

149
I would listen to Mike Tyson over Neil DeGrasse Tyson any day of the week.
Posted by: At least Mike isn't full of shit at August 25, 2023 11:24 AM (fhX0j)

This is sage advice.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)

150 I think the sequel to an old film thing started with Paycho II.

Which was really good.

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (dWjpk)

151 GT actually did a contest where a gamer would get a real driving contract. This is about the kid who won the contest.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)

It's The Last Starfighter come true!

Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (pyXMr)

152 Happened here in my town. A lawyer friend was representing a guy who allegedly stabbed someone. A report from the NYS police crime lab said the guys DNA was on the knife. The guy insisted that he was innocent , but took a plea based upon the evidence (the guy was a lifelong lowlife). Guess what ? About two years later it was found that the NYS crime lab had faked data or done no tests. The guy was let out of jail because of the lab fraud. Don't know the status of lawsuits

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (BqPUE)

153 Article yesterday at American Thinker how Global warming experts are making up crap and have no way to say what the average Global temperature really is.

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (h5FTW)

154 I played the heck out of GT when I was younger, so I'd probably consider burning a free rental credit at redbox to watch it if I happen to see it in my email.

You can tell I'm a big movie guy.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:30 AM (oZ23Y)

155 ++++
Ugh. I hope the people there are okay and that the plant can be salvaged. We need all the refinery capacity we can get.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (t0OGg)

*tee hee*

Posted by: Owebama's Well Funded Paramilitary Force at August 25, 2023 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

156 I guess I remain disease free for a reason.
Posted by: Sponge

"Hey there swingin' bachelors Are you tired of the steady drip Drip, drip of Gonorrhea? Then Peter Rooter's for you!"

Posted by: Tonypete at August 25, 2023 11:30 AM (qoGsy)

157 151 GT actually did a contest where a gamer would get a real driving contract. This is about the kid who won the contest.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:27 AM (KbCG3)

It's The Last Starfighter come true!
Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (pyXMr)

You son of a bitch I was thinking the EXACT same thing! Damn your fleet fingers!

Posted by: *deploys Death Blossom* at August 25, 2023 11:30 AM (fhX0j)

158 I imagine that refinery repair will have some similarities with turnaround operations, so perhaps EPCM-CSI can help get things repaired once the fire is out:
https://youtu.be/2gCk9yBBOUo

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

159 70 Disinformation = 1st Amendment

you know who else is 1st amendment?

Posted by: misinformation and malinformation at August 25, 2023 11:31 AM (v3pYe)

160 150 I think the sequel to an old film thing started with Paycho II.

Which was really good.
Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2023 11:29 AM (dWjpk)

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The modern craze of legacy sequels probably started with The Force Awakens. There are individual examples here and there, but I doubt that the new Exorcist sequels would be coming without The Force Awakens.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

161 The Titanic was designed by experts.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 25, 2023 11:31 AM (MeG8a)

162
"Hey there swingin' bachelors Are you tired of the steady drip Drip, drip of Gonorrhea? Then Peter Rooter's for you!"
Posted by: Tonypete at August 25, 2023 11:30 AM (qoGsy)

You asked for it........

https://youtu.be/7KNQFGU1qj0

Posted by: Owebama's Well Funded Paramilitary Force at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

163 157 Damn your fleet fingers!

fleet fingers > fleet of fingers

Posted by: anachronda at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (v3pYe)

164 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

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Just retrace your steps.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

"Do you remember where you last put it?"
"If I did, it would not be lost."

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (CjHGv)

165 Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?
Posted by: Oddbob
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Washington State has a law that does that in self defense cases I think.

Scottish law infamously has a verdict called Not Proven so you get Innocent, Guilty, and Not Proven. I think that would be necessary for the reimbursement if the jury voted for innocent by something like a majority (7) of the jury for reimbursement.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (cXjiH)

166 Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?
Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

obvious ramification - every defendant in every case is going to try to spend a million dollars or more in his defense. If he wins, he gets it back, if he loses - well, he's already going to jail, so why would he worry about bad debts? Also, every defense attorney in every case will raise their fees to $500 per hour and bill 12 hours a day, with the provision that if their client is found guilty they waive all fees.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (i9ffA)

167

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (X4yCj)

168 Article yesterday at American Thinker how Global warming experts are making up crap and have no way to say what the average Global temperature really is.
Posted by: Skip

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Of course they don't.

You can't say what the temperature in a house or an office building is with any accuracy, and these people insist they can tell you what the temperature should be in Alabama and Wyoming on the same day.

Big money involved, though, so they don't care about you, your families, your house, your transportation, or anything else. Just their paychecks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (oZ23Y)

169 Shit......

Strike One.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

170 {95} ... Very aggressive lady, essentially wasting my time and then complaining that I'm wasting time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

Ah, they've brought in a professional blame-shifter.

Just keep bringing out the CYA documentation you were already collecting and putting it before them and ask them to complete the pending tasks that are causing the delays.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (qPw5n)

171 Beware the deadly LGBTQ+2.86 virus

Posted by: SMOD at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

172 >>>various “experts” were able to whip up a freedom-suffocating mass hysteria over Covid

And it's gonna happen again!

Posted by: m at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (LdYi7)

173 164 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

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Just retrace your steps.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

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The Hunt for Red October 2: China Edition

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

174 The CDC has been letting everyone down re: masking. We, hopefully, will see more masking before covid "flares" into a business/school/household crippling event.

It's a pity that the most recent variant's vaccine won't be out until September. Hopefully it can damp down the contagion by the time cold weather hits.

I asked my GP if I should call if I were to catch it again, and he said that I should so they can put it in my records. But, they don't report it to any govt agency.

I haven't stopped masking in retail establishments or medical facilities It's going to take a long time for this thing to settle down.

People are still dying from COVID! conservatives are welcome to die to own the libs if they want. Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks as needed. And LONG covid has had horrible and ligering effects on so many!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (JCZqz)

175 The Chinese have nuclear powered submarines?

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (dWjpk)

176 The second of Portland's two alt-weeklies, which serves as a stenographer for Antifa, has a sob story about Sammich Overkill Schott-Deputy, one of the three people who failed to put on a legal case when Andy Ngo sued them for assault, and now has to pay $100,000.

Why, he's just a transgender drug addict who likes to assault people (he assaulted someone else the day Ngo was assaulted and was arrested, but said he didn't assault Ngo) who's turning his life around!

And it's not fair! Between being in prison and being homeless, he says he was never served with legal papers, and meanie Oregon law says that if you can convince a judge that you made reasonable efforts to serve someone and was unable to do so, you can just run an ad in the papers.

He has a high-powered pro bono lawyer trying to overturn the judgement of course - the guy apparently likes to take time out from his corporate practice to represent violent Antifa nut jobs before retreating to whatever safe neighborhood he lives in.

Posted by: The FBI Crime Lab! at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (u6/wt)

177 166 Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?
Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

obvious ramification - every defendant in every case is going to try to spend a million dollars or more in his defense. If he wins, he gets it back, if he loses - well, he's already going to jail, so why would he worry about bad debts? Also, every defense attorney in every case will raise their fees to $500 per hour and bill 12 hours a day, with the provision that if their client is found guilty they waive all fees.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (i9ffA)

Defense attorneys likely wouldn't take on these cases knowing that the prosecutor, backed by the state not wanting to pay a penalty, will commit every bit of misconduct possible to ensure a guilty verdict.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (KbCG3)

178 The CDC has been letting everyone down re: masking. We, hopefully, will see more masking before covid "flares" into a business/school/household crippling event.

It's sad that they don't understand that masks did NOTHING with covid. Not one damn thing.

"2 weeks to stop the spread" included lockdowns and masks and it was crippling everything for 2 f*cking YEARS.

Stop the world. I want off.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

179 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (JCZqz)
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All of these people are broken.

The third person's GP is happy to bill her, but is probably more or less tired of it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

180 170Ah, they've brought in a professional blame-shifter.

Just keep bringing out the CYA documentation you were already collecting and putting it before them and ask them to complete the pending tasks that are causing the delays.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 25, 2023 11:32 AM (qPw5n)

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I'm not worried at all on my side. The only person on our side in the crosshairs is the PM himself, and he's got a load of evidence that the problem is the client. We spent a month with them figuring out how to sign pgp keys.

I'm just off to the side, billing 5 hours a week as I go over where we are in testing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (LvTSG)

181 146 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

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Just retrace your steps.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

Bye bye empire, empire bye bye.

Posted by: Thomas Dolby at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (f0XAF)

182 149 This is sage advice.

dill advice > sage advice

Posted by: spice cabinet at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (v3pYe)

183 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

My heart goes out to the sailors but empathy for the PLAN or PRC? Nah.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (qoGsy)

184 Article yesterday at American Thinker how Global warming experts are making up crap and have no way to say what the average Global temperature really is.
Posted by: Skip

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The biggest bias is that they compute the nominal temperature based on station in an area. In place like the Arctic and Antarctic, there are like 3 station for hundreds of thousands of acres.

Posted by: SMOD at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

185 I'm fairly certain we have a couple on this blog. "Experts" on literally everything.
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Thank you.

About time someone recognized that!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (krqg6)

186 173 164 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

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Just retrace your steps.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

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The Hunt for Red October 2: China Edition
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

You've lost another submarine, Andre?

Posted by: Richard Jordan at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (zZu0s)

187 I asked my GP if I should call if I were to catch it again, and he said that I should so they can put it in my records.

I laughed.

Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (pyXMr)

188 Bad things. You've just incentivized the state stacking the deck in an even greater manner.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

You could take a gander at Washington state law on reimbursement if the state does not convict when a defendant is found not guilty by reason of self defense. Does not seem to play out in that manner there.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (cXjiH)

189 186 The Hunt for Red October 2: China Edition
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

You've lost another submarine, Andre?
Posted by: Richard Jordan at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (zZu0s)

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I've been watching it today in between meetings.

Such a great movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

190 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

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Just retrace your steps.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

Was is built by OceanGate?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)

191 187 I asked my GP if I should call if I were to catch it again, and he said that I should so they can put it in my records.

I laughed.
Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (pyXMr)

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"Got covid again. Still lived. Still won't shut up about covid."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

192 Was the Chinese sub commander’s name Wi To Lo?

Too soon?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM (xTRSc)

193 Bye bye empire, empire bye bye.
Posted by: Thomas Dolby at August 25, 2023 11:34 AM (f0XAF)

That just set off... was that NSync? Backstreet Boys?

Don't wanna be a fool for you,
just another player in this game for two...

I kind of hate you.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM (zZu0s)

194 192 Was the Chinese sub commander’s name Wi To Lo?

Too soon?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM (xTRSc)

Bo We Dep

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (zZu0s)

195 The AZ case might have been decided on a single bite mark, which was later shown not to match the suspect …

Posted by: Adriane the True Crime Critic. . . at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (jonTH)

196 186 Shit happens when you build a nuke sub out of that shitty drywall you peddle worldwide.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (0EOe9)

197 Defense attorneys likely wouldn't take on these cases knowing that the prosecutor, backed by the state not wanting to pay a penalty, will commit every bit of misconduct possible to ensure a guilty verdict.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Easy, remove the prosecutors' absolute immunity and make it qualified just like the cops. Doing illegal actions is an automatic removal of any immunity to prosecution for those illegal acts by a prosecutor and imposes personal liability for torts if the qualified immunity is overcome in a civil action.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (cXjiH)

198 Was the Chinese sub commander’s name Wi To Lo?

Too soon?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Either that or Sum Ting Wong.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (qoGsy)

199 People are still dying from COVID! conservatives are welcome to die to own the libs if they want. Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks as needed. And LONG covid has had horrible and ligering effects on so many!

No one is dying from Covid. The 'vaccine' maybe. But not Covid.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

200 175 The Chinese have nuclear powered submarines?

not anymore, apparently

Posted by: anachronda at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (v3pYe)

201 You could take a gander at Washington state law on reimbursement if the state does not convict when a defendant is found not guilty by reason of self defense. Does not seem to play out in that manner there.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (cXjiH)

Seems a very specific case. Would imagine this stops them from charging people where self defense is likely.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (KbCG3)

202 Wasn't that bite mark shit later shown to be total bunk anyway?

Posted by: I know they used it in Red Dragon, but that's a movie at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (fhX0j)

203 He has a high-powered pro bono lawyer trying to overturn the judgement of course - the guy apparently likes to take time out from his corporate practice to represent violent Antifa nut jobs before retreating to whatever safe neighborhood he lives in.

He may have a problem - the judge is left-wing (because Portland), but the judge is apparently really pissed off at Antifa's blatant attempts to intimidate the jury in the two cases that went to trial (and the intimidation was successful - the two defendants were found not liable).

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (u6/wt)

204 199 People are still dying from COVID! conservatives are welcome to die to own the libs if they want. Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks as needed. And LONG covid has had horrible and ligering effects on so many!

No one is dying from Covid. The 'vaccine' maybe. But not Covid.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

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People are dying from covid like they're dying from the flu. It's now just the flu.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

205 The biggest bias is that they compute the nominal temperature based on station in an area. In place like the Arctic and Antarctic, there are like 3 station for hundreds of thousands of acres.
Posted by: SMOD

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Yep.

Africa, too. 1000 miles between stations in South Africa heading north.

Just average them out, because it's not about science.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (oZ23Y)

206 Off the wall fantasy football question.
new team name - the Maui Blaze?
Or is it just too soon, man, too soon?

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (i9ffA)

207 I've been watching it today in between meetings.

Such a great movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

It was. Good Alec Baldwin before he became a meme... and a murderer. Second Peak Connery. Sam Niell. The guy who plays the american sub captain from right stuff... dammit.

James Earl Jones.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (zZu0s)

208 Keeping a sprained hand above your heart isn't as easy as it seems.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (d4+uo)

209 196 186 Shit happens when you build a nuke sub out of that shitty drywall you peddle worldwide.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (0EOe9)

The hull was melamine.

Posted by: And the wiring was cheap at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (fhX0j)

210 > Gran Turismo.....

There's a NASCAR driver or two who got their shots via iRacing.

Parker Retzlaff
Rajah Caruth

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (Q4IgG)

211 2 + 2 = anything you want it to be, bub.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Certified Public Numbers Bamboozler at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (4I/2K)

212 @95

>>So, I'm on a project that's gone massively overbudget because the client has dragged their feet on everything, and the project manager on our side is filing a change order for more time, essentially.

At the end of the day, the client drives the success or failure of the project, the only real question is how much the client wants to pay for their decisions to deviate from the SOW and plan.

CCD's can be a blessing and a curse.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (rc3Z7)

213 207 It was. Good Alec Baldwin before he became a meme... and a murderer. Second Peak Connery. Sam Niell. The guy who plays the american sub captain from right stuff... dammit.

James Earl Jones.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (zZu0s)

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Scott Glenn.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

214 191 187 I asked my GP if I should call if I were to catch it again, and he said that I should so they can put it in my records.

I laughed.
Posted by: spindrift at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (pyXMr)
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"Got covid again. Still lived. Still won't shut up about covid."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM

Prescribed OTC acetaminophen over the phone. Billed insurance for $300. Bought side chick a bag. Got awesome hummer.

Posted by: Karen's Doctor at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (JCZqz)

215 Also, every defense attorney in every case will raise their fees to $500 per hour and bill 12 hours a day, with the provision that if their client is found guilty they waive all fees.

True, but wouldn't that be a disincentive for the government pressing weak cases? Of course it would also be a disincentive for attorneys to defend against strong cases. I can see how that would be a problem.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (nfrXX)

216 Gee, we thought those high readings were from Fukushima Number One......

---Experts

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (d+7Ro)

217 I've been watching it today in between meetings.

Such a great movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

Movie came out on March 2, 1990 (The Hunt Is On!)

I read the book that summer.

In October 1990, it came out at the $1.50 theater (remember those?) and I saw it there. Blown away. Loved it then, love it now.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (f0XAF)

218 Was the Chinese sub commander’s name Wi To Lo?

Too soon?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:36 AM (xTRSc)
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For that one? No, not at all.

One that might be:
"I wonder if they used a game controller to steer it."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (t0OGg)

219 Feel good video of the day;

"Arsonist accidentally lights self on fire while attempting to set church ablaze: video"

https://tinyurl.com/3uny4w9u

Posted by: Marcus T at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (oZhq1)

220 Keeping a sprained hand above your heart isn't as easy as it seems.
Posted by: SMH

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Yikes, sorry. I think I've seen some sort of shoulder wrap that ties into a velcro harness for your wrist. I cant tell you anything else about it, though. Good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (oZ23Y)

221
I-uh, uh-I-uh,, my legs-uh, legs are-uh,, uh t-t-turning black and-uh, and-uh smell like almonds

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (X4yCj)

222 212 At the end of the day, the client drives the success or failure of the project, the only real question is how much the client wants to pay for their decisions to deviate from the SOW and plan.

CCD's can be a blessing and a curse.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (rc3Z7)

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The client decided to go through a massive divestiture in the middle of this, and the team I'm working with is the accounting team. They're...busy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

223 204 199 People are still dying from COVID! conservatives are welcome to die to own the libs if they want. Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks as needed. And LONG covid has had horrible and ligering effects on so many!

No one is dying from Covid. The 'vaccine' maybe. But not Covid.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

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People are dying from covid like they're dying from the flu. It's now just the flu.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

36-year old wrestler just died from a heart attack they're attributing to Covid. Apparently had a heart issue before.

Not a single word on his vax status.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (KbCG3)

224 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

225 170 Ah, they've brought in a professional blame-shifter.

blame thrower > blame-shifter

Posted by: mystery men at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (v3pYe)

226 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

Xi failed to deliver a major speech at the BRICS conference in South Africa, which is extremely unusual.

Speculation is that Xi was getting briefed on the sub loss.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (u6/wt)

227 I've been watching it today in between meetings.

Such a great movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

It was. Good Alec Baldwin before he became a meme... and a murderer. Second Peak Connery. Sam Niell. The guy who plays the american sub captain from right stuff... dammit.

James Earl Jones.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (zZu0s)

Scott Glenn, sending out Paymate of the Month measurements in Morse Code.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Certified Public Numbers Bamboozler at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (4I/2K)

228 And of course, Fred Thompson.

2024. Keep the dream alive.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s)

229 209 Petty Officer Xuan using the reactor core as a rice steamer was bound to catch up sooner than later.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (0EOe9)

230 208 You got a sprained hand, SMH?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (xTRSc)

231 Just spitballin' here, I haven't tried to think through all the ramifications, but what if upon acquittal the state was required to reimburse the defendant for the cost of his defense?
Posted by: Oddbob

Separate the Public Defenders Office from the Attorney General. Say an AG to represent the state & Defender General to represent the people.

Oh, and no private attorneys. Hobson Choice on the list of who’s available.

Let the misery of injustice be shared by rich and poor alike,

Posted by: Adriane the True Crime Critic. . . at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (jonTH)

232 No one is dying from Covid. The 'vaccine' maybe. But not Covid.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

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People are dying from covid like they're dying from the flu. It's now just the flu.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

Yup. The same people who always would die from an opportunistic respiratory disease are the ones continuing to die from opportunistic respiratory diseases. But it's not sufficient cause for hysteria, so OMGCOVID!!!!!

Posted by: Before COVID nobody who was old, sick, or medically fragile died from a respiratory disease at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (fhX0j)

233 People are dying from covid like they're dying from the flu. It's now just the flu.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM

So...we need to mask up, vaccinate, and shut down the economy for COVID and influenza!?!? Sign me up! So much virtue!!!!

Posted by: AWFLs at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (JCZqz)

234 195 The AZ case might have been decided on a single bite mark, which was later shown not to match the suspect …
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John Voigt or Jon Voigt??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (krqg6)

235 224 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice

if i could save thyme in a bottle...

Posted by: jim croce at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (v3pYe)

236 It was me

Posted by: Bang Ding Ow at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (flINI)

237 Defense attorneys likely wouldn't take on these cases knowing that the prosecutor, backed by the state not wanting to pay a penalty, will commit every bit of misconduct possible to ensure a guilty verdict.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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There may be other specific examples in state law but I am familiar with that one.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (cXjiH)

238 How in the hell do you write a sequel to Heat in 2023? It also doesn't need a fucking sequel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (xcxpd)

239 China “Might” Have Lost A Nuclear Attack Submarine With “All Hands Lost”

Did they try putting a new battery in their GameBoy controller?

Posted by: OceansGate Entertainment at August 25, 2023 11:42 AM (amJF4)

240 229 209 Petty Officer Xuan using the reactor core as a rice steamer was bound to catch up sooner than later.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (0EOe9)

Go to 110% on the reactor.

Posted by: Chinese sub captain with a scottish accent at August 25, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

241 238 How in the hell do you write a sequel to Heat in 2023? It also doesn't need a fucking sequel.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (xcxpd)

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It's a prequel novel that Mann himself wrote:

https://amzn.to/44lK1QV

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

242 It's sad that they don't understand that masks did NOTHING with covid. Not one damn thing.

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It's the Animal House Rx.

Otter: I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:42 AM (FVME7)

243 238 The cops go to jail, the criminals are the heroes. That'll be $500000 for the idea.

Posted by: Bete at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (KuG1T)

244 The RSA is the site of the BRICS conference?

Not exactly an advertisement for the BRICS.

Especially considering the RSA is quickly turning into South Zimbabwe.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (f0XAF)

245 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

I'm the decider!

Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

246 @222

>>The client decided to go through a massive divestiture in the middle of this, and the team I'm working with is the accounting team. They're...busy.

I bet, hopefully they don't sell off the bits your working on, that would be all kinds of awesome.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (rc3Z7)

247 246 @222

>>The client decided to go through a massive divestiture in the middle of this, and the team I'm working with is the accounting team. They're...busy.

I bet, hopefully they don't sell off the bits your working on, that would be all kinds of awesome.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (rc3Z7)

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And they're Canadian!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

248 =========

People are dying from covid like they're dying from the flu. It's now just the flu.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

Yup. The same people who always would die from an opportunistic respiratory disease are the ones continuing to die from opportunistic respiratory diseases. But it's not sufficient cause for hysteria, so OMGCOVID!!!!!
Posted by: Before COVID nobody who was old, sick, or medically fragile died from a respiratory disease at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (fhX0j)

Valid points.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)

249 245 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

I'm the decider!
Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

How's your baby?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

250 One qualification: this article emphasizes "experts" who dishonestly fudge their info. That is a real problem.

But there is another, that of experts who overrate their understanding of even those matters they honestly study. It's very common. (I recommend Socrates's Apology; still relevant millennia later. Tom Nichols should have studied it.)

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (brAQZ)

251 People were dying from Covid in the hospital and still are because it's a slick way for the hospital to collect money.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (0EOe9)

252 207 It was. Good Alec Baldwin before he became a meme... and a murderer. Second Peak Connery. Sam Niell. The guy who plays the american sub captain from right stuff... dammit.

James Earl Jones.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:38 AM (zZu0s)

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Scott Glenn.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

Tim Curry
Stellan Skarsgard
Gates McFadden
Shane Black
and the icon Sven-Ole Thorsen

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (CjHGv)

253 250 But there is another, that of experts who overrate their understanding of even those matters they honestly study. It's very common. (I recommend Socrates's Apology; still relevant millennia later. Tom Nichols should have studied it.)
Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (brAQZ)

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What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

254 There was no evidence in the OJ trial because Mark Furman f*cked up the collection. Wasn't that the excuse?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

255 228 And of course, Fred Thompson.

2024. Keep the dream alive.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s)

Maybe somebody will tell us what all the hubbub is about.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (f0XAF)

256 Actually a majority of civilized people are an expert in *something*.

I find it fascinating actually.

When you watch someone like Trump talk to the guys in the field, the building sites, what he is doing is deferring to their expertise.

Watch someone talk about something they really know about. They come to life. They understand things about the subject that the average person doesn't. It's the credentialism which is the problem and that is choking society out.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (qS4hA)

257 I'm the decider!
Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

How's your baby?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

Those maniacs did something to his eyes but otherwise he's fine.

Posted by: Rockin' the cradle, singin' a lullaby at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (fhX0j)

258 Xi failed to deliver a major speech at the BRICS conference in South Africa, which is extremely unusual.

Speculation is that Xi was getting briefed on the sub loss.
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Yeah, I saw contradictory reports on Xtwitter although one was that Taiwan's nuke agency said they hadn't found any unusual radioactive spikes in the the Strait.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (krqg6)

259 Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (JCZqz)

please do

Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (AwYPR)

260 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Idealized buggery and child molestation for starters.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (cXjiH)

261
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And they're Canadian!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

I read this as there's a Canadian Tire commercial rolling on my player.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

262 The American people have to much freedom and prosperity, experts say.

Posted by: Ripley at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (KrJTL)

263 I used to be a pert, now I'm an ex- pert.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (JlHpJ)

264 245 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

I'm the decider!
Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

How's your baby?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

Everybody says he's breathtaking!

Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (4I/2K)

265 The end of Zain (wikipedia):

Zain was charged with fraud, but his trial was delayed indefinitely after he was diagnosed with liver cancer. ... In December 2002, Zain succumbed to his liver cancer and died in his home in Ormond Beach, Florida.

Posted by: m at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (LdYi7)

266 You got a sprained hand, SMH?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Yeah, I tripped and fell backwards earlier, and my left hand prevented my skull from bouncing on the concrete.

I was unwinding my water hose and was walking backwards.

Hand is wrapped with a ace bandage, and icing it up for about 15 minutes every hour, but the swelling is pretty bad.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (d4+uo)

267 “Vy po-russki, da?”

Posted by: Scots Soviet sub commander Sean Connerisky at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (xTRSc)

268 if i could save thyme in a bottle...
Posted by: jim croce
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I'd spend an eternity cooking with you!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (krqg6)

269 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

They gave us pederasty!

Posted by: The Harvey Milk/Michel Foucault crowd at August 25, 2023 11:47 AM (fhX0j)

270 254 There was no evidence in the OJ trial because Mark Furman f*cked up the collection. Wasn't that the excuse?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

Still remember Dana Carvey's bit about the cops deciding one day they were just going to frame OJ.

Carvey is criminally underrated.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:47 AM (KbCG3)

271 In 1957, the Ford almanac (yes, they used to produce one, quite nicely done) had one of their folksie sayings: Beware experts. An ex is a has-been; a spurt is a drip under pressure. Act accordingly.

I was still a kid, but each year I acquired and studied the Ford almanac. I loved them, especially the advertisements about their tractors. Lots of stuff in them has stuck with me.

So, "experts" has been a mockable term for a very long time. Act accordingly.

Posted by: Ignert Rednek at August 25, 2023 11:47 AM (mNpfA)

272 I used to work for the police, I remember one time they failed to catch a serial killer, and were getting such heat in the press that they started looking around for more bodies in the killers known hunting grounds using cadaver dogs

Except the cadaver dogs were actually house pets owned by some of the cops. They were just putting on a show for the cameras to look good

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 25, 2023 11:47 AM (VTu1l)

273 Thanks, Moron Robbie, I'll be okay, just hurts like hell right now.

At least it wasn't my right hand.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM (d4+uo)

274 Watch someone talk about something they really know about. They come to life. They understand things about the subject that the average person doesn't. It's the credentialism which is the problem and that is choking society out.
Posted by: ...

True, it take a lot of learning and experience applying that learning to a specific area to be an expert. It takes much less though to determine if an expert is spouting bullshit whether they have credentials or not.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM (cXjiH)

275 245 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

I'm the decider!
Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

Hold on there.

Posted by: Parsley at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM (PiwSw)

276
Hand is wrapped with a ace bandage, and icing it up for about 15 minutes every hour, but the swelling is pretty bad.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (d4+uo)

Alternate warm and cold, take a couple ibuprofen.

Swelling persists after 24 hours, X-ray time.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

277 According to online property records, the former president “sold” his Palm Beach, Florida property for $422,000,000 on August 4.

However, a deeper investigation into the Mar-a-Lago sale found that the 1100 S Ocean Blvd, Palm Beach property was sold to a company called Mar-a-Lago, Inc.

The Express reported that the owner of Mar-a-Lago, Inc. – and its registered agent – is none other than 45-year-old Donald Trump Jr.

Posted by: SMOD at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

278 And they're Canadian!
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If they threaten to lay you off, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM (krqg6)

279 "196 186 Shit happens when you build a nuke sub out of that shitty drywall you peddle worldwide."
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I had the misfortune to attend two repair shipyards of commercial container ships in China. No effing way would I be aboard a sub made from their steel or be within miles of a Chinese nuke reactor. You may as well take the tour sub to visit the Titanic.

Posted by: Cosda at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (PYnS1)

280 >>> There was no evidence in the OJ trial because Mark Furman f*cked up the collection. Wasn't that the excuse?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

The excuse was that Furman was a big fat racist, of course.

Posted by: DJ at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (uosPt)

281 Swelling persists after 24 hours, X-ray time.
Posted by: Sponge
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Yeah, by the time I get seen at the VA for one, the swelling will have dissipated.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (d4+uo)

282 Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (JCZqz)

please do
Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM (AwYPR)

They write things like this and can't even see the glaring flaw staring them in the face.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

283 Hand is wrapped with a ace bandage, and icing it up for about 15 minutes every hour, but the swelling is pretty bad.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (d4+uo)

You really need to lay off the bare knuckle boxing scene.

Posted by: It's cathartic but the injuries are just too much at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (fhX0j)

284 Fred Zain, was found to have repeatedly lied under oath and provided falsified evidence needed for prosecutors to obtain criminal convictions.

*Annie Dookhan has entered the chat*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (aQy7p)

285 And it said experts, as in plural. But they give one example. And OK she’s an expert. Why does she think this? Where is the evidence? Where is the data? Or does being an expert mean you get to say opinions and they automatically become fact.
Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 11:11 AM (5yi9d)

I'm an expert in general automotive mechanics!

Posted by: Mona Lisa Vito at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (Zvtjl)

286 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
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And made me fail Grade 11 Math.

Pricks.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (krqg6)

287 Posted by: It's cathartic but the injuries are just too much at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (fhX0j)
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lol

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (d4+uo)

288 Sorry to hear that, SMH. Prayers for healing.

I wouldn’t trust an Ace bandage, though. Could lead to your wearing Crocs. It also destroys any shelving it comes in contact with.

Posted by: Scots Soviet sub commander Sean Connerisky at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (xTRSc)

289 SMH, keep it elevated as much as possible also

Posted by: Ben Had at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (JlHpJ)

290
Yeah, by the time I get seen at the VA for one, the swelling will have dissipated.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (d4+uo)

And they will count it as "CURED."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

291 245 thyme will tell > dill advice > sage advice
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

I'm the decider!
Posted by: Rosemary at August 25, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

Hold on there.
Posted by: Parsley at August 25, 2023 11:48 AM

All right, knock it off!

Posted by: Simon & Garfunkel at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (aQy7p)

292 196 186 Shit happens when you build a nuke sub out of that shitty drywall you peddle worldwide.
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A lot of gunsafes made in a certain era had that Chinese drywall issue and the sulfuric acid released from the bacteria in the drywall will rust your firearms in an instant if you don't take some pretty major precautions.

Stupid thing is that MgO drywall does a lot better for a few more bucks than gypsum.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (cXjiH)

293 Ben Had!

I know.

Easier said than done.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (d4+uo)

294 Attorney Andrew Weissmann, the guy who screwed up the federal prosecution of Enron, questioned whether the scheme was a “fraudulent transfer.”

Posted by: SMOD at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (RHGPo)

295 Sorry to hear that, SMH. Prayers for healing.

I wouldn’t trust an Ace bandage, though. Could lead to your wearing Crocs. It also destroys any shelving it comes in contact with.
Posted by: Scots Soviet sub commander Sean Connerisky

ISWYDT.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (G8h7g)

296 Mao Tse Tang.

just because

Posted by: DOYLE at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (Z8Yh2)

297 Our side would do well to stay up to date on vaccines and wear masks

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 25, 2023 11:33 AM (JCZqz)

please do
Posted by: BignJames

Yeah, it'll help us spot you from a distance.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (FVME7)

298 Another problem with "expertise" is the total reliance on credentials. You know, C S Lewis did not get a degree in English lit, though that was what he ended up teaching.

There are two examples I love to cite. One is Norman Friedman. He has been, for over 40 years, one of the foremost authorities on 20th C warships. (I would say the best ever.) That arose out of a hobby; his degree was in nuclear physics, and he got criticized for this in the review of his first book in the Naval Institute. A few years later another author's book was criticized for lacking "the Friedman touch." Which is about the highest compliment possible in naval history.

And there was a precedent. In his teens a young Englishman liked to sketch warships. By 1898 he had enough of all countries to publish a book. It became an annual issue. His name was Fred T Jane.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 11:51 AM (brAQZ)

299 And they will count it as "CURED."
Posted by: Sponge
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lol, yep.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (d4+uo)

300 Not only is it not what it once was,

It turns out it never was it once was...

Posted by: More alcohol or less? Not sure... at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (/Rqse)

301 Lol, the average age of the sad 11.1 million Fox debate viewers was 67.

Which sorta confirms my hunch that most of the not-Trump are elderly that just cannot accept that the normal they knew for their whole lives is over.
They desperately want to pretend that getting rid of Trump will bring it back.
And refuse to accept that most of the Republican Party is a merely a wholly-owned and subservient subsidiary of the Democrats.

It's Trump's party now-- you're the RINO.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (7ye/I)

302 I used to work for the police, I remember one time they failed to catch a serial killer, and were getting such heat in the press that they started looking around for more bodies in the killers known hunting grounds using cadaver dogs

Except the cadaver dogs were actually house pets owned by some of the cops. They were just putting on a show for the cameras to look good
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 25, 2023

***
Are cadaver dogs trained only to sniff out corpses, or would they recognize a living human?

I can see it now, a cartoon with one Doberman to another as a badly wounded but living human begs for help: "Ah, he's alive, don't worry about it. Hey, time for some Alpo!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (J2vNu)

303 253 250 But there is another, that of experts who overrate their understanding of even those matters they honestly study. It's very common. (I recommend Socrates's Apology; still relevant millennia later. Tom Nichols should have studied it.)
Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (brAQZ)

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What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)
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Their sculptors didn't even know women had arms.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (brAQZ)

304 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us?

How to separate the men from the boys.

With a crowbar.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (G8h7g)

305 They say it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert. I figure by age 16 I was an expert baiter.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (4I/2K)

306 The best I ever did on the rifle range in the Corps was Sharpshooter, being a sealed beam can't see Commie Agent sent to fuck up the Drill Instructor's Marine Corps. Now, later when on I&I duty, I told my bud, the training NCO that a pistol badge would look great. Went down to the Andrews AFB indoor range and he had me shoot a legit qualification. Very expert. Took a Colt Gold Cup I had at the time instead of using an old shake, rattle and roll from the armory. So, anyway, I are an expert.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (0EOe9)

307 The excuse was that Furman was a big fat racist, of course.

Furman admitted saying "The N Word" -> OJ is innocent.

The math checks out.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (nfrXX)

308 Trump fans rejoice! He is back on social network formally known as) twitter.

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (RA7Yy)

309 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM

Those homos stole technology from Africans and passed it off as theirs!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (JCZqz)

310 I guess needs lotsa live.,,

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (RA7Yy)

311 I wouldn’t trust an Ace bandage, though. Could lead to your wearing Crocs. It also destroys any shelving it comes in contact with.
Posted by: Scots Soviet sub commander Sean Connerisky
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lol

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (d4+uo)

312 ...Or love....

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2023 11:54 AM (RA7Yy)

313 296 Mao Tse Tang.
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Drink the drink Chinese astronauts drink!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:54 AM (krqg6)

314 Are cadaver dogs trained only to sniff out corpses, or would they recognize a living human?

Are they trained to sniff out dead human mammals or just any dead mammals?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:54 AM (G8h7g)

315 Ha. I forgot that Al Qaeda was allowed to post on Twitter but President of the United States Donald J. Trump wasn't.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:54 AM (oZ23Y)

316 288 Sorry, SMH, I forgot to remove the sock before posting. I will now report to the Dr. Sponge S. Sponge Sock Rehabilitation Clinic.

Same sentiment applies, though. Hope you heal quickly. And beware those Ace bandages.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:54 AM (xTRSc)

317 > I had the misfortune to attend two repair shipyards of commercial container ships in China. No effing way would I be aboard a sub made from their steel or be within miles of a Chinese nuke reactor. You may as well take the tour sub to visit the Titanic.
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China's building warships, planes and armor for an apparent takeover or invasion of Taiwan. Using the same shitty building materials and techniques they use for all their other crap.

The hand wringing over Taiwan is overrated.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)

318 The proper sentence for someone whose lies led to others' punishment is to have that punishment meted against him. If that means killing him and reviving him multiple times, so be it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

319 Canadian academics, who think ‘gender-affirming’ surgeries are a good idea, should pay for these ‘gender-affirming’ surgeries out of their own pockets

Posted by: SMOD at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (RHGPo)

320 301 Lol, the average age of the sad 11.1 million Fox debate viewers was 67.

Which sorta confirms my hunch that most of the not-Trump are elderly that just cannot accept that the normal they knew for their whole lives is over.
They desperately want to pretend that getting rid of Trump will bring it back.
And refuse to accept that most of the Republican Party is a merely a wholly-owned and subservient subsidiary of the Democrats.

It's Trump's party now-- you're the RINO.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (7ye/I)

Alternate viewpoint: they still view primaries as a standard part of the election process. Hard habit to break after 50 years of voting.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (KbCG3)

321 And of course, Fred Thompson.

2024. Keep the dream alive.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s)

Maybe somebody will tell us what all the hubbub is about.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2023 11:45 AM

"When Fred Thompson and Chuck Norris pass each other on the street, they merely nod respectfully at one another."

- Frank Facts About Fred Thompson

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (aQy7p)

322 They say it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert. I figure by age 16 I was an expert baiter.
Posted by: Count de Monet

I must have started late in life. By 16, I was only a master baiter.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (G8h7g)

323 "301 Lol, the average age of the sad 11.1 million Fox debate viewers was 67.

Which sorta confirms my hunch that most of the not-Trump are elderly that just cannot accept that the normal they knew for their whole lives is over.
They desperately want to pretend that getting rid of Trump will bring it back.
And refuse to accept that most of the Republican Party is a merely a wholly-owned and subservient subsidiary of the Democrats.

It's Trump's party now-- you're the RINO.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice"
**********
That happens to be my age, but most of my contemps see Trump as the only way back to normal America.

Posted by: Cosda at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (PYnS1)

324 I was on a jury for a case where DNA evidence was used. The DA used the one in a hundred million billion declaration and the defense attorney just sat there. It seemed so obvious for him to say that the odds in general didn't matter. He could have said the perp has an extended family in the area, so what are the odds of a match in this locality.
The jury took a short time to convict. In the end that was probably okay because the defendant probably had a long criminal history.
Or I could be comfortably wrong again.

Posted by: Comfortably Wrong Again at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (SnrX0)

325 308 Trump fans rejoice! He is back on social network formally known as) twitter.
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Yep. And he took a shitty situation and turned it into a comedy. Leftist hate being laughed at. Trump is genius.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (NsE9F)

326 301 Lol, the average age of the sad 11.1 million Fox debate viewers was 67.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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A lot of Boomers and Silents were raised on TV and cannot really comprehend that news on it is all a pack of lies. Faux, like other cable channels is dying and Faux sped it up by their firing of Tucker and others conservatives. Everything the Murdochs touch is turning into shit in media including the leftward drift of the WSJ.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (cXjiH)

327 185 I'm fairly certain we have a couple on this blog. "Experts" on literally everything.
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Thank you.

About time someone recognized that!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:35 AM (krqg6)

LOL canuck

Posted by: m at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (LdYi7)

328 Let's see, Trust in experts? Gone. Trust in education? Gone. Trust in government? Gone. Trust in fair elections? Trust in the media? Gone. Trust in entertainment/sports? Gone. Trust in business/corporations? Gone.

Good job, you have managed to destroy absolutely every aspect of civil society.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (fKIdX)

329 The 10,000 hours bit is widely criticized, for good reason. Sure, practice makes perfect, that much is still true, however there are abundant examples of innate ability that no one can explain away, such as a 7 year old child that plays the piano well with no instruction.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (MeG8a)

330 Sorry, SMH, I forgot to remove the sock before posting. I will now report to the Dr. Sponge S. Sponge Sock Rehabilitation Clinic.

I am the way.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)

331 Canadian academics, who think ‘gender-affirming’ surgeries are a good idea, should ~~pay for these ‘gender-affirming’ surgeries out of their own pockets~~ have their junk cut off with a rusty hacksaw before being thrown to wild hogs.
Posted by: SMOD at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM

FIFY.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (aQy7p)

332 His name was Fred T Jane.
---------------
Wasn't he banged by Lord Greystoke??

Ooooooh-a-ooooohh!!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 11:57 AM (krqg6)

333 322 They say it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert. I figure by age 16 I was an expert baiter.
Posted by: Count de Monet

I must have started late in life. By 16, I was only a master baiter.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2023 11:55 AM (G8h7g)

When individual experiences take only 30 seconds each, that 1.2million times to become an expert. So yeah, probably not expert level.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 11:57 AM (ynpvh)

334 Good job, you have managed to destroy absolutely every aspect of civil society.
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously
___

Trust in the Lord, and He will never fail you.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:57 AM (d4+uo)

335 JUST IN - Large fire burning at Marathon Oil Refinery in Garryville, Louisiana

Oh damn!
I hope the Biden corvette is safe!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2023 11:57 AM (hv9bm)

336 283 Hand is wrapped with a ace bandage, and icing it up for about 15 minutes every hour, but the swelling is pretty bad.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 25, 2023 11:46 AM (d4+uo)

You really need to lay off the bare knuckle boxing scene.
Posted by: It's cathartic but the injuries are just too much at August 25, 2023 11:49 AM (fhX0j)

I hear the money is good to throw woke assholes a good beating.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:57 AM (zZu0s)

337 Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

338 Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

Didn't have the body for porn.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 11:58 AM (Zz0t1)

339 Trump fans rejoice! He is back on social network formally known as) twitter.
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Yep. And he took a shitty situation and turned it into a comedy. Leftist hate being laughed at. Trump is genius.
Posted by: Puddinhead

--

He's not taking this seriously enough!

WHY DO HIS NUMBERS KEEP RISING?!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (oZ23Y)

340 A Chuy bandage, on the other hand…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (xTRSc)

341 325 308 Trump fans rejoice! He is back on social network formally known as) twitter.
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Yep. And he took a shitty situation and turned it into a comedy. Leftist hate being laughed at. Trump is genius.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM

I would have appreciated a shit-eating grin over the weird "blue-steel" glare. DU and other mainstream Lefty sites are loving it...it's validation of their years of keeping the faith. Trump is making bank off it, too. It's a weird situation.

He is gaining some more clout with the Black community, I think...at least young to middle aged males.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (JCZqz)

342 Go to 110% on the reactor.

This reactor goes to 11!

Posted by: Nigel Tufnel! at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (u6/wt)

343 338 Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 25, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)
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Or you will end up hating what you love.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (NsE9F)

344 Bill Nye the Science Guy and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are considered experts. Nye doesn't have a doctorate, not that should be a big thing, and Tyson should have stuck to raising chickens.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (0EOe9)

345 340 A Chuy bandage, on the other hand…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (xTRSc)

Or a Lamont...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

346 that reminds me, i need to go order a coffee cup before they're sold out.

Thanks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (oZ23Y)

347 It's Trump's party now-- you're the RINO.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2023 11:52 AM (7ye/I)

The GOP had DJT indicted and mugshotted.

They have chosen to reject his overwhelming national voter coalition.

And DJT hasn't acquiesced like Nixon.

The GOP has wrapped the business up.

DJT's coalition will remain intact and havr a party.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (QRo1G)

348 Trump's mugshot = the "Mona Lisa" of mugshots.

https://tinyurl.com/43pyh4an

X (twitter) link

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

349 325 308 Trump fans rejoice! He is back on social network formally known as) twitter.
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Yep. And he took a shitty situation and turned it into a comedy. Leftist hate being laughed at. Trump is genius.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 11:56 AM (NsE9F)

And he has almost 200,000 replies 14 hours after the post!

Posted by: m at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (LdYi7)

350 344 Bill Nye the Science Guy and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are considered experts. Nye doesn't have a doctorate, not that should be a big thing, and Tyson should have stuck to raising chickens.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (0EOe9)

Why? He'll just end up choking them.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

351 Jane’s fascination with warships was an addiction.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (xTRSc)

352 309 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM

Those homos stole technology from Africans and passed it off as theirs!
Posted by: Al Sharpton at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (JCZqz)
_______

They stole the pi, so the Africans didn't have it anymore.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (brAQZ)

353 335 JUST IN - Large fire burning at Marathon Oil Refinery in Garryville, Louisiana

Oh damn!
I hope the Biden corvette is safe!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2023 11:57 AM (hv9bm)

; )

Posted by: m at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (LdYi7)

354 He is gaining some more clout with the Black community, I think...at least young to middle aged males.
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Black Lesbian Mayors know how to undo this. They first need Globo Corp to donate billions of dollars for them to work their magic.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (NsE9F)

355 Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

Don't work harder, work smarter.

(Wait, why did my hair get pointier as I wrote that?)

Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (nfrXX)

356 THAT'S MY PRESIDENT!

Posted by: m at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (LdYi7)

357 “This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.”
-- Fred Thompson

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (g3gMh)

358 (Pounding fist into open palm) Let Trump be Trump!!

Posted by: Opus from Bloom County at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (NBVIP)

359 and Tyson should have stuck to raising chickens.
---------------
Same with Himmler.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 12:02 PM (NsE9F)

360 Bill Nye the Science Guy and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are considered experts. Nye doesn't have a doctorate, not that should be a big thing, and Tyson should have stuck to raising chickens.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 11:59 AM (0EOe9)
***

Nye peaked on a half hour local seattle comedy show years ago when he played one of the High Fivin' White Guys.
And he was the worst of the five.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2023 12:02 PM (hv9bm)

361 352 309 What do the Ancient Greeks have to teach us? What have they ever done for us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 11:44 AM

Those homos stole technology from Africans and passed it off as theirs!
Posted by: Al Sharpton at August 25, 2023 11:53 AM (JCZqz)
_______

They stole the pi, so the Africans didn't have it anymore.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (brAQZ)

Well, TBH, some of the Greeks went quite irrational when confronted with irrational numbers...

Posted by: Hippasus of Metapontum at August 25, 2023 12:02 PM (ynpvh)

362 (Pounding fist into open palm) Let Trump be Trump!!
Posted by: Opus from Bloom County at August 25, 2023 12:01 PM (NBVIP)

Thppppptrrbt!

Posted by: Bill the Cat at August 25, 2023 12:02 PM (Zz0t1)

363 He is gaining some more clout with the Black community, I think...at least young to middle aged males.
Posted by: Moron Analyst
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Latest polling even from Fox has Trump at 20 percent in the black community and I suspect that most of that comes from male blacks rather than female. Biden is down to the 70's in the black vote as a lot of them are bearing the brunt of open borders.
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But, the pecksniffs like the Powerline bloggers are unlikely to move toward Trump and are twice as likely to move to the Dems for president whether it be Kamala or Biden.

Someone expressed, cannot remember who, the reason why conservative legal community hates on Trump--the reason is that the legal community is highly homogeneous and to get moneyed clients, to get judges to appreciate your briefs, etc. requires defaulting to the left on a lot of issues.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:03 PM (cXjiH)

364 He is gaining some more clout with the Black community, I think...at least young to middle aged males.

--

They already turned out for him in record numbers in 2016 and 2020 because he's a billionaire who goes by one name and is known worldwide by that name, is married to a supermodel AND maybe bangs pornstars, but even better gets the pornstars to pay *him*...

And now he's done time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:03 PM (oZ23Y)

365 Or you will end up hating what you love.
Posted by: Puddinhead
-------

Probably because of the management.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 12:03 PM (g3gMh)

366 There was no evidence in the OJ trial because Mark Furman f*cked up the collection. Wasn't that the excuse?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

When we lived in Long Beach, CA, we had a neighbor that testified that Furman made racist jokes to her and her girlfriend at a bar one night. We all called her "Boobs McGillicudy' in the neighborhood as she would go out to water her lawn with a hose in the smallest, tightest shorts, and tight fighting top with no bra on every day. She was stacked. But on that particular night at a bar, Furman was the devil incarnate for supposedly trying to hit on her and telling racist jokes. Furman probably was a dick but Boobs advertised daily.

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2023 12:03 PM (oiNtH)

367 Now he's gone and done it!

@redvoicenews
Nancy Pelosi will be devastated...
Biden's Booze Czar Wants To Limit You To Two Drinks A Week
This would hurt American breweries, brew pubs, restaurants, bars, waiters, waitresses, small business owners, the economy, and many other American citizens.
The Biden Regime knows this. They don't care about the American people or the economy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 12:03 PM (FVME7)

368 If Trump starts wearing a Pinochet Cape, watch the fuck out.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (NsE9F)

369 Blacks will vote GOP this year!!!
- every year since forever

Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (5yi9d)

370 348 Trump's mugshot = the "Mona Lisa" of mugshots.

https://tinyurl.com/43pyh4an

X (twitter) link
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

We need Zod's literary skill here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (xcxpd)

371 He is gaining some more clout with the Black community, I think...at least young to middle aged males.
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Citizen Free Press @CitizenFreePres Aug 24
Blacks for Trump are outside the Fulton County Jail.

The people see this charade for what it is.
Brendan Gutenschwager

https://tinyurl.com/4y9pxuvw
14 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (krqg6)

372 I must point out that I am a Boomer from the NY suburbs, and I knew the news was a pack of lies before I was 13.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (brAQZ)

373 Oh yeah, and jobs and money and stuff. But whatever, let's go with someone else and be glad we get our 52M votes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (oZ23Y)

374 *Scurries off to Google "pecksniff."*

Posted by: Clueless and naive at August 25, 2023 12:05 PM (NBVIP)

375 370 348 Trump's mugshot = the "Mona Lisa" of mugshots.

https://tinyurl.com/43pyh4an

X (twitter) link
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

We need Zod's literary skill here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (xcxpd)

Damn, that was a fine impression of Trump.

Posted by: Hippasus of Metapontum at August 25, 2023 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

376 Off dead greek sock!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (ynpvh)

377 The GOP had DJT indicted and mugshotted.

They have chosen to reject his overwhelming national voter coalition.

And DJT hasn't acquiesced like Nixon.

The GOP has wrapped the business up.

DJT's coalition will remain intact and havr a party.
Posted by: Thesokorus
---------
The Right, in recent history has never taken over an institution and wore it as a skinsuit. The GOP may be the first--even in Georgia, there is open warfare between the state GOP party which has went right and the Ratshitburger/Kemp alliance that went left. It is to the point that Kemp is trying to set up local county organizations in suburbs to counteract the official GOP party organizations in that county.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (cXjiH)

378 GAWK!!! Land whale in topless swimsuit!

https://tinyurl.com/d9tumz3p

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (FVME7)

379 The people see this charade for what it is.
Brendan Gutenschwager

https://tinyurl.com/4y9pxuvw
14 seconds
Posted by: andycanuck

--
Link didn't work for me, but the

N*GGAS 4 TRUMP 2024

guy JJ linked this morning was awesome.

https://tinyurl.com/24jsnw79

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (oZ23Y)

380 My favorite forensics expert was Bill Clinton's medical examiner, who declared a headless corpse had committed suicide. He said the dead man's chihuahua had eaten his head. When the head was later found in a dumpster he was finally forced to admit it was a homicide.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (CecP5)

381 > Biden's Booze Czar Wants To Limit You To Two Drinks A Week
____________

I suspect that would likely torque off enough people to take to the streets. Should it come to pass. I hope they push it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (Q4IgG)

382 *Scurries off to Google "pecksniff."*
Posted by: Clueless
--------

What the Dickens...?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 12:07 PM (EvGP3)

383 369 Blacks will vote GOP this year!!!
- every year since forever
Posted by: Montec at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (5yi9d)

========

How many blacks actually vote in Philly every year? How many ballots are counted?

How do those manipulated numbers affect the overall black numbers in election?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

384 Oh yeah, and jobs and money and stuff. But whatever, let's go with someone else and be glad we get our 52M votes.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:04 PM (oZ23Y)

Right. It's an obviously untenable position. They know this and like Fox have decided to wrap it up.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 25, 2023 12:07 PM (QRo1G)

385 378 GAWK!!! Land whale in topless swimsuit!

https://tinyurl.com/d9tumz3p
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (FVME7)

We might need to talk about how you go about laying a trap...

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at August 25, 2023 12:07 PM (zZu0s)

386 Here's how beer was marketed before the ClownWorld Era:
youtube.com/watch?v=R0e8mfHzAjQ

Posted by: She Prescribed For gp To Attempt It Simply at August 25, 2023 12:08 PM (MvF+J)

387 378 GAWK!!! Land whale in topless swimsuit!

https://tinyurl.com/d9tumz3p

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (FVME7)

Thar be that White Whale, Puny Dick!

Posted by: Cap'n Ahab at August 25, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)

388 369 Blacks will vote GOP this year!!!
- every year since forever
Posted by: Montec

It is a matter of margins and actual voting is a zero sum game. Trump did as well if not better than GWB aka Jorge in Hispanic votes in 2020. The GOP has to go populist or it will die and that attracts more minorities than sucking Chamber of Commerce dicks for open borders, endless deficits, and muh big corporations.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:08 PM (cXjiH)

389 380 My favorite forensics expert was Bill Clinton's medical examiner, who declared a headless corpse had committed suicide. He said the dead man's chihuahua had eaten his head. When the head was later found in a dumpster he was finally forced to admit it was a homicide.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (CecP5)

Arkancide is a thing, as is the corruption in that state

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 12:08 PM (xcxpd)

390 @redvoicenews
Nancy Pelosi will be devastated...
Biden's Booze Czar Wants To Limit You To Two Drinks A Week
This would hurt American breweries, brew pubs, restaurants, bars, waiters, waitresses, small business owners, the economy, and many other American citizens.
The Biden Regime knows this. They don't care about the American people or the economy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 25, 2023 12:03 PM (FVME7)

Family members of Representatives are exempt, of course (hic).

Posted by: Paul Pelosi at August 25, 2023 12:08 PM (PiwSw)

391 377 ...
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The Right, in recent history has never taken over an institution and wore it as a skinsuit. The GOP may be the first--even in Georgia, there is open warfare between the state GOP party which has went right and the Ratshitburger/Kemp alliance that went left. It is to the point that Kemp is trying to set up local county organizations in suburbs to counteract the official GOP party organizations in that county.
Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (cXjiH)
_______
To be fair, Kemp had a decent record on Covid. I suspect in his case it's more a matter of him wanting his own little organization than anything ideological.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (brAQZ)

392
guy JJ linked this morning was awesome.

https://tinyurl.com/24jsnw79
Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (oZ23Y)

That dude for VP.

Posted by: Bill the Cat at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

393 STRIKE TWO.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

394 389 380 My favorite forensics expert was Bill Clinton's medical examiner, who declared a headless corpse had committed suicide. He said the dead man's chihuahua had eaten his head. When the head was later found in a dumpster he was finally forced to admit it was a homicide.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (CecP5)

Arkancide is a thing, as is the corruption in that state

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 12:08 PM (xcxpd)

'E cut off 'is 'ead, threw it in a dumpsta, body ran back and died.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

395 What the Dickens...?
Posted by: Mike Hammer

----
Blame it on the wife, she is descended in part from the Dickens family ancestors.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (cXjiH)

396 pi[ *Scurries off to Google "pecksniff."*
Posted by: Clueless and naive at August 25, 2023

***
Wasn't he a Dickens character? Chuck knew how to name characters, didn't he?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (J2vNu)

397 380 Old story from a funny guy's column. Mike Royko, hammering things in general in Cook County tells the story of a coroner holding a severed head recovered from a trash can. "This looks like a homicide". Royko was a little bit left in his day but would be right of center now.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (0EOe9)

398

PENCE / N*GGAS 4 TRUMP 2024

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:10 PM (oZ23Y)

399 The Right, in recent history has never taken over an institution and wore it as a skinsuit. The GOP may be the first--even in Georgia, there is open warfare between the state GOP party which has went right and the Ratshitburger/Kemp alliance that went left. It is to the point that Kemp is trying to set up local county organizations in suburbs to counteract the official GOP party organizations in that county.
Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:06 PM (cXjiH)

True. But DJT's coalition isn't Rightist. By any definition. I may want it to be (very badly). But, it isn't.

And that's why it is so strong. Rightist sentiment is only ever a small %.

I am a Rightist and I have had to accept this.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (QRo1G)

400 393 STRIKE TWO.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

? Wadda I miss?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

401 Due to all the expert testimony here from the expert experts, I no longer believe the experts.

Posted by: mikeski at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (9jLLj)

402 How do those manipulated numbers affect the overall black numbers in election?
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Jay Valentine at American Thinker is worth reading. We really only need to hammer 17 counties, all in swing states, with real time surveillance of voter rolls. He estimates that if you do this you could retard vote theft by 40% which is enough to win. Worth a read.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (NsE9F)

403 401 Due to all the expert testimony here from the expert experts, I no longer believe the experts.

Posted by: mikeski at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (9jLLj)

Politicians are experts at bullshit. But don't trust their take on fertilizer.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

404 BOOZE CZAR???? WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO WE NEED A BOOZE CZAR????

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 25, 2023 12:12 PM (xTRSc)

405 Pecksniff: see comment 363.

Posted by: Clueless and naive at August 25, 2023 12:12 PM (NBVIP)

406
? Wadda I miss?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

In an effort to correct my rampant sock failures, I've imposed a 3 strike rule.

I fail 3 times in one thread, I self-ban for the remainder of that thread.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)

407 404 Minister Of Ethanol.

Posted by: She Prescribed For gp To Attempt It Simply at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (MvF+J)

408 Part of the reason that people are losing trust in "experts" is that too many "experts" claimed to have expertise of subjects that are not grounded in reality and on problems that cannot be solved.

The worst "experts" are those that claim expertise in areas of "social justice" and "public health" - two made up concepts that are logically contradictory (The public is an abstract entity and thus has no health; an individual patient has health). They work in fields concocted by "progressives" and which are not evaluated on the basis of real world results; therefore, it doesn't matter how often they fail. Only their diplomas and resumes count.

Real experts are still needed, though, to solve actual real world problems: build bridges, design and build jets, perform open heart surgery, etc. Experts in these fields are judged by real world results.

Posted by: Bamanarama at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (uH1aC)

409 This probably won't fix anything until they change the rules of evidence.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (GD2xa)

410 Might be DNA shenanigans with the Kohberger case, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (YQC7y)

411 If any Trump folks are reading this, your campaign needs to sell CHOOSE GREATNESS bumper stickers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (oZ23Y)

412 Optimates vs the Populares....again

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (xcxpd)

413 BOOZE CZAR???? WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO WE NEED A BOOZE CZAR????

Prolly to mandate that we all buy Bud Light.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (nfrXX)

414 ----
Blame it on the wife, she is descended in part from the Dickens family ancestors.
Posted by: whig
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My only family association with Victorian writers is Trollope.

*sigh* Just my luck.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2023 12:13 PM (Ym2uE)

415 402 Jay Valentine at American Thinker is worth reading. We really only need to hammer 17 counties, all in swing states, with real time surveillance of voter rolls. He estimates that if you do this you could retard vote theft by 40% which is enough to win. Worth a read.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 12:11 PM (NsE9F)

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I don't think that countering vote fraud is impossible. I think it's easily doable.

Set up cameras outside of polling station, counting the number of people going in vs. the the number of ballots cast. That's one easy thing that's been doable, in secret without the poll watchers finding out, since the invention of small scale video cameras.

And yet, Philly just continues to fester while Detroit says that there are 1000 ballots in a box with 10, and the state GOPs just shrug their shoulders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

416 404 BOOZE CZAR???? WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO WE NEED A BOOZE CZAR????
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Hunter needs a new gig.

Posted by: Cosda at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (PYnS1)

417 To be fair, Kemp had a decent record on Covid. I suspect in his case it's more a matter of him wanting his own little organization than anything ideological.
Posted by: Eeyore
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One, I am not fair and Kemp is a corrupt dickhead just like the previous governor. In the Covid case, he was told to do that by the Chamber of Commerce because Atlanta is a big convention state and the state owns the Georgia World Congress Trade Center.

He also became a multimillionaire in office when he was basically destitute when he first entered office as secretary of state after being a little known state senator.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (cXjiH)

418 A different video:

DC_Draino @DC_Draino 4h
If Biden got more black votes in Atlanta than Obama, then explain why Georgians were lining the streets to cheer him on as he drove by?

This was Trump’s way of saying “look at my support - GA was rigged”

May his trial expose the truth about our elections
🇺🇸Travis🇺🇸

https://tinyurl.com/57y9p3pk
45 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (krqg6)

419 Booze Czar? I'm tanned, rested and... *hic*

Posted by: Hillary at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (NBVIP)

420 nood

Posted by: She Prescribed For gp To Attempt It Simply at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (MvF+J)

421 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 25, 2023 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)

422 He also became a multimillionaire in office when he was basically destitute when he first entered office as secretary of state after being a little known state senator.
Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:14 PM (cXjiH)

Also didn't want to get all blow'd up in his car.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 25, 2023 12:15 PM (QRo1G)

423 Kemp can't admit there is election fraud or else Stacy Abrams has a case.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - To cheat with DeSantis they'll have to face themselves and admit they're soviet at August 25, 2023 12:15 PM (oZ23Y)

424 I actually testified as an expert witness in court, both sides agreeing to it, on a firearms related matter. State matter on a homicide tried in our county. Knew the attorney for the defense and the DA. Nothing much came of it, simple questions regarding a .410 shotgun that was used in the deed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 25, 2023 12:15 PM (0EOe9)

425 Well, it's National Whiskey Sour Day, Mr. Booze Czar.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 25, 2023 12:16 PM (NpAcC)

426 Also this:

https://tinyurl.com/4xhz8vb4 (Mississippi dentist implementing bogus "forensic odontology")

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 25, 2023 12:16 PM (GD2xa)

427 As I have pointed out before: in 2020 I was a poll watcher in an almost 100% black residential precinct in Houston. Home owners, almost exclusively, almost no apartments. A total of 86 people voted in the precinct. To claim high turnout in Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee ghetto areas is simply absurd. It never happened.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 25, 2023 12:17 PM (CecP5)

428 423 Kemp can't admit there is election fraud or else Stacy Abrams has a case.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Read up on how the elections servers for the 2018 elections were scrubbed on direct orders by Kemp as SoS before they could be litigated by Abrams. The ensuing federal lawsuit required the State to go to a new voting system instead of the older Diebold voting system and disclosed a lot of problems about Dominion and Diebold election software and models in expert testimony.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:18 PM (cXjiH)

429 427 As I have pointed out before: in 2020 I was a poll watcher in an almost 100% black residential precinct in Houston. Home owners, almost exclusively, almost no apartments. A total of 86 people voted in the precinct. To claim high turnout in Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee ghetto areas is simply absurd. It never happened.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe
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What was the reported turnout afterwards from the SoS from your precinct if you can answer just for kicks?

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2023 12:19 PM (cXjiH)

430 And yet, Philly just continues to fester while Detroit says that there are 1000 ballots in a box with 10, and the state GOPs just shrug their shoulders.
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Valentine's method is constant review of changing voter rolls starting at lest 6 months before the election. The Left creates voters many ways but they have to register them to vote them. The way they remove and add voters to the roll are easy to track and can be deleted by just providing evidence of fraud to local sheriffs. He doesn't need to shut down the grift but merely to reduce it and make it harder to pull off.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 25, 2023 12:20 PM (NsE9F)

431 I'm currently watching "How To Fix A Drug Scandal" on Netflix. The MA chemist in this case was addicted to the drugs she was tasked with testing and certifying. Fascinating how she and another who faked test results were lauded as being efficient and productive chemists because they were providing results they thought the prosecutors wanted.

Posted by: AlecK at August 25, 2023 12:20 PM (cMlC1)

432 425 Well, it's National Whiskey Sour Day, Mr. Booze Czar.
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Those God Damned Wiskey Sours.

Posted by: Rick Dalton at August 25, 2023 12:21 PM (NsE9F)

433 West Virginia resident here. I remember when the Fred Zain story first hit the news. The Glen Dale Woodall case was the one that broke it open, and it was big news in the local papers. At the time, there was a lengthy newspaper article, that described a cozy relationship between Zain and the state police. It was implied that the police would talk to Zain, and say, "We're really sure we have the right guy (wink, nudge), so we're confident your results will back us up, right?" Of course, there was no proof of this sort of thing, but it would explain a lot. Why else would Zain fake results? This was the beginning of a long change in my attitude toward police.

Posted by: Mr. Bill at August 25, 2023 12:23 PM (xVji9)

434 301 olds on a fixed income can't afford to go out on a Thursday night, so they watch TV.

Posted by: Regular joe at August 25, 2023 12:33 PM (nnp+f)

435 Years ago now, the Houston crime lab was proven to essentially be rubber-stamping the evidence that the HPD detectives needed for convictions. Many convictions were overturned, and the evidence still preserved had to be sent out to independent labs for re-analysis. It was a huge deal at the time, not just for overturning past convictions and derailing ongoing court cases, but the lab had to be restaffed and requalified from scratch.

DNA can be a poor indicator if it wasn’t analyzed properly, but juries are programmed from years of TV to trust it absolutely.

Posted by: Advo at August 25, 2023 12:37 PM (VHN21)

436 428 423 Kemp can't admit there is election fraud or else Stacy Abrams has a case.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Read up on how the elections servers for the 2018 elections were scrubbed on direct orders by Kemp as SoS

I am very disinclined to believe cheating in 2018 went against Abrams.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 25, 2023 12:41 PM (JTztk)

437 Nic update.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at August 25, 2023 12:54 PM (ztPSO)

438
Wanna see what power lines look like when they come down? 1:51 video will give you a very good idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEo8vptpxHI

By the way - goes without saying - stay far, far away.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 25, 2023 01:02 PM (enJYY)

439 {438}... stay far, far away.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 25, 2023 01:02 PM (enJYY)

Yup, electricity will find a path. Don't be part of it. Here's another reminder:

https://youtu.be/_2LpCdhuOyQ

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