THE MORNING RANT: More Wind Energy Follies, and Some Good News as Proposed Wind Farm Projects Start Getting Rejected

A common criticism from people like me about wind energy is that it’s not reliable and that it doesn’t produce electricity when the wind isn’t blowing, thus it can’t be relied on for baseline electricity needs.

But another problem with wind energy is that it often doesn’t produce electricity even when the wind is blowing.

“6 of 10 Turbines Out of Commission at Prince Edward Island Wind Farm, Government Says” [CBC – 7/11/2023]

One of P.E.I.'s biggest provincially owned wind farms is operating at less than 40 per cent of its design capacity. The wind farm at Hermanville, near the eastern tip of the Island, came online with 10 turbines at a cost of $60 million in 2014.
On Tuesday, the P.E.I. Energy Corporation said only four of those turbines remain functional — with no reason given as to why.
"It's something that needs to be rectified quickly, because it's standing in the way of our goals," said Steven Myers, P.E.I.'s minister of environment, energy and climate action.

Actually, what’s standing in the way of this Canadian province’s “goals” is that it has embarked on the unattainable eco-communist goal of replacing reliable long-term energy sources with an unreliable short-term energy source.

The graph below shows how the amount of energy produced by this wind farm started dropping significantly when it was only 7 years old. Nine years later, it’s only producing 40% of the electricity it produced when new.

Not only is wind energy not a long-term energy option, it’s clearly not even a short-term energy option.

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But Wind energy is environmentally responsible, right?

“SNP Admits to Felling 16 Million Trees to Develop Wind Farm [The Telegraph – 7/19/2023]

Almost 16 million trees have been chopped down on publicly owned land in Scotland to make way for wind farms, an SNP [Scottish National Party] minister had admitted amid a major drive to erect more turbines.

Have you planted a tree to fight global warming? Do you buy carbon offsets when you fly?

Whatever you’re doing by either planting trees or “saving” trees, the wind industry is offsetting you by clear-cutting forests to slap up their unreliable, short-lived, bird-killing, wind contraptions.

When the wind hustlers cut down a forest for a wind farm, would that constitute a carbon-offset-offset?

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Aren’t wind turbines supposed to capture the wind and create electricity from it, rather than being blown over by a stiff breeze? Well, here’s a recent video of a wind turbine in Germany collapsing, while still spinning.

Oh well, that turbine has killed its last bird, which is a good thing, but there’s probably a little danger in having giant spinning blades crashing down to the ground.

NEW - Wind turbine collapsed after a "wind gust" in Rostock, Germany.pic.twitter.com/1o9sdHcK5S
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) August 8, 2023

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There is also recent news of offshore wind turbines failing spectacularly.

A black plume of smoke was seen coming from a wind turbine off the coast of Norfolk after it caught fire ��

Read more �� https://t.co/NHG8An2EwP pic.twitter.com/oNfy9Dpsmf
— Sky News (@SkyNews) August 15, 2023

In this story (below) at the Independent, there’s another video of the incident. Aside from the burning turbine, it also shows that about half of the turbines in the wind farm aren’t spinning at all.

“Wind Farm Workers Evacuated After Offshore Turbine Catches Fire” [Independent – 8/16/2023]

Again, turbines that aren’t spinning or are otherwise out of service are something that I celebrate, because they have stopped killing birds in the pursuit of fairy tale energy. But still, what a colossal waste of money and unnecessary despoilment of nature.

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Meanwhile, dead whales keep piling up on the East Coast of the United States, thanks to the wind industry.

Yesterday marked the 60th known whale death on the East Coast since Dec 1, 2022. This is not normal.

The government says it’s not because of the wind industry’s high decibel pile driving & boat traffic in previously pristine waters. They’re lying. And now we have the proof. pic.twitter.com/7BcVrgz04X
— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) August 13, 2023

Many of us have long understood that the “green energy” movement is actually a death cult that seeks to reduce the global population by denying reliable energy to people, and by reducing standards of living. But I’m still surprised how they have been able to coopt environmentalists and nature lovers into their cult, and how killing birds and whales is now a celebrated sacrament in the Sustainable Organic Church of the Carbon Apocalypse.

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Some people, even on the left, are starting to wake up to the folly and futility of wind energy. A couple of recent headlines give me hope…

“Rhode Island Energy Rejects Plan for Nearly 1000MW Offshore Wind Project” [WPRI – 7/19/2023]

The state’s largest utility company has decided not to move forward with a massive offshore wind project in Rhode Island, arguing that rising costs have made the deal too expensive for ratepayers and out of line with state law.

“Sweden Rejects Vattenfall's Planned Stora Middelgrund Wind Farm” [Reuters – 7/27/2023]

"An establishment at Stora Middelgrund would risk damaging sensitive natural values in an unacceptable way," Minister for climate and environment Romina Pourmokhtari said in a statement.
"The risk of negative impact on national interests in shipping has also weighed heavily in the Government's assessment," she said.

Related, not only is Sweden rejecting wind energy, but it is aggressively embracing nuclear power.

“Swedish Government Plans to Build at Least 10 Nuclear Reactors” [TVP World – 8/09/2023]

The Swedish government declared on Wednesday that by 2045, at least ten conventional nuclear reactors or a greater number of smaller, modular equivalents need to be built. The demand for electrical energy is expected to double over the next 20 years.

The only future for the wind energy industry is massive remediation and deconstruction projects as these abominations are dismantled over the next couple of decades. With wind projects starting to be rejected, and nuclear returning to favor, perhaps we are at the beginning of the end of the wind-energy nightmare.

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Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 SPONGE

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:00 AM (kBSKe)

2 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at August 21, 2023 11:00 AM (1Yy3c)

3 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 21, 2023 11:01 AM (T4tVD)

4 I've got nothing on these wind farm promoters. *tips hat*

Posted by: Lyle Lanley at August 21, 2023 11:03 AM (4I/2K)

5 On Tuesday, the P.E.I. Energy Corporation said only four of those turbines remain functional — with no reason given as to why.

Grift. Duh.

This is a money laundering scheme.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 11:03 AM (G8h7g)

6 The graph below shows how the amount of energy produced by this wind farm started dropping significantly when it was only 7 years old. Nine years later, it’s only producing 40% of the electricity it produced when new.
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Drive past any wind farm on a breezy day and you'll see a lot of windmills not turning. They're locked down.

There is a ton of subsidy money to build a wind mill, but little if any for maintaining one. Need a new blade? Need to change the oil? Need a new motor? Need a hub? $$$$$$

Wind farms are far away (sort of by definition) and the parts are expensive but the crews and logistics are even more expensive. If you have a fault, just lock it up to avoid it from causing more damage. On a large enough farm, go out every now and again and cannibalize parts to get some of them back online (turn 20 locked wind mills into, say, 7-8 working ones) and write off the rest.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:03 AM (kBSKe)

7 Their businesses model is subsidy farming and fleecing taxpayers, not selling electricity. It’s working just fine for them.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 21, 2023 11:03 AM (JTwsP)

8 They say with wind farming, the harvest is a breeze.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 11:04 AM (hv9bm)

9 My guess is the cost of remediation will be socialized.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 21, 2023 11:04 AM (DmtxH)

10 I imagine - but I don't know - that corrosion is a serious problem for offshore wind farms and that the service life is pretty dramatically reduced.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:04 AM (kBSKe)

11 "It's something that needs to be rectified quickly, because it's standing in the way of our goals," said Steven Myers, P.E.I.'s minister of environment, energy and climate action.
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Reverting to DC will not help.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 11:05 AM (+M3be)

12 "Wind Farm" 🤡

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 21, 2023 11:05 AM (Q4IgG)

13 Gotta love that sweet, sweet drone footage.

It amazes me that radio controlled planes and helicopters have been around for ages but only in the last decade (something like that) did anyone come up with drones.

Posted by: Robert at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (1Yy3c)

14 Now, list how many gallons of oil one of those babies use for lubrication.

On the order of 80 gallons of oil.

What do you think is burning when they catch fire???

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (G8h7g)

15 I don't really mind some wind power or solar fields, but it needs to be an adjunct to conventional or nuclear power plants, not a replacement.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (xcxpd)

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Well, here’s a recent video of a wind turbine in Germany collapsing, while still spinning.

"We told you to take today off, Ernst!"

-- the two idle turbines nearby

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (xG4kz)

17 I don;t have a link, but I saw Michael Schellenberger interviewed this weekend re: his new documentary on how destructive wind farms are to the environmnt looks to be good viewing. He talked about how the decibels of the sonar used by windfarms to scout the ocean floor for sites is illegally loud, and detailed how this will lead to right whale extinction. This was known and documented over a year ago, yet construction of several farms off of the east coast continue, while the usual animal rights/nature activist remain silent on dozens of whales dead on the NJ shore.

These wind and solar farms are doing serious damage to various bird, sea species.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (avru5)

18 So back to wood stoves

Oh wait

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (orrYN)

19 In my neck of the woods I’ve seen a fair amount of small windmills on people’s property out in the country. Would be kind of cool if you had room for it and it could provide electricity for your personal use. Not sure what the break even point is. Probably a ton of tax credits out there.

As for the macro, I’m an all of the above guy on energy. Do it all. Nuclear, solar, wind, coal. Whatever.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (wsGq+)

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The government says it’s not because of the wind industry’s high decibel pile driving & boat traffic in previously pristine waters. They’re lying. And now we have the proof. pic.twitter.com/7BcVrgz04X

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The same Scientixts who insist they can account for every variable from the Earth's core to the solar radiation (and radiation from elsewhere) in order to set the planet's thermostat can't even figure out how one species of mammals responds in regards to one extremely closed system.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (Oto6+)

21 Some people, even on the left, are starting to wake up to the folly and futility of wind energy. A couple of recent headlines give me hope…
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After I graduated from college (mid aughts), a couple of friends were driving cross-country to relocate from NYC to the Pac NW (Seattle or Portland - I forget which) and one of them blogged about it along the way. She was ecstatic over the wind farms in southern Wyoming, and horrified at the massive plant and flare-off torch in Sinclair, WY. Sort of a "after driving through the clean, bright future, we drive through the horrible, polluting past" kind of thing.

I rolled my eyes so hard I saw my own brain. Especially because the Sinclair plant is one of the most efficient (read: least polluting) plants in the world.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (kBSKe)

22 Sacrifice whales for Gaia!

Posted by: Old enough to remember "save the whales" at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (fhX0j)

23 The only future for the wind energy industry is massive remediation and deconstruction projects as these abominations are dismantled over the next couple of decades. With wind projects starting to be rejected, and nuclear returning to favor, perhaps we are at the beginning of the end of the wind-energy nightmare.

They will be gradually and stealthily dismantled, with nobody taking credit or blame for their initial construction. They'll be like ancient Egyptian monuments: silent, still, and pointless.

Ozymandias would understand.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

24 The only future for the wind energy industry is massive remediation and deconstruction projects as these abominations are dismantled over the next couple of decades. With wind projects starting to be rejected, and nuclear returning to favor, perhaps we are at the beginning of the end of the wind-energy nightmare.
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Color me skeptical. Not necessarily about a non-wind energy future, but about the demolition or remediation. Most of this still is going to rot in place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:08 AM (kBSKe)

25 Why does no one ever blame Mother Gaia for producing all that icky oil?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:08 AM (xTRSc)

26 15 I don't really mind some wind power or solar fields, but it needs to be an adjunct to conventional or nuclear power plants, not a replacement.
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Spain and Netherlands did that and found their cost of energy went up. Keeping real power stations fired up to augment fading wind power means you are running two systems all the time. There is no savings, there is an operating increase in cost. Then there is maintenance costs.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 21, 2023 11:08 AM (4eKPg)

27 If I were to guess, the Rhode Island plan was cancelled because ultra rich peeps with costal homes didn’t want to see it.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:08 AM (wsGq+)

28 They will be gradually and stealthily dismantled, with nobody taking credit or blame for their initial construction. They'll be like ancient Egyptian monuments: silent, still, and pointless.

Ozymandias would understand.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

*nods*
He nuked New York after all...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

29 Was watching the movie The Whale. One of characters, in reference to Moby Dick said whales don't have any emotions. Really, one the most intelligent, most communal mammals doesn't have emotions?

Posted by: jmt at August 21, 2023 11:09 AM (NxX5S)

30 You fail to note the scheme underlying many of these projects. It is also in many cases an effort to wrest the production of power from private companies. Many of these efforts are funded and ultimately owned by state governments. See NJ as one example. They want to own the power source so they can regulate everyone who uses it. It's a complete socialist anarchy fever dream. There isn't a single honest business case (or environmental) that makes sense. That's before we get to the fact this is simply enriching China and threatening our energy security, which weakens the nation.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 21, 2023 11:10 AM (OjHyA)

31 Ukraine needs more windmills. After the war is over, I bet they start spending money on windmills for Ukraine.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 21, 2023 11:10 AM (JTwsP)

32

A methane powered generator shoved up Krispy Kreme's ass could power the entire East Coast...

Posted by: Just Sayin at August 21, 2023 11:10 AM (/l7Qq)

33 No to mention the big guy's 10 %, yo.

Posted by: Eromero at August 21, 2023 11:10 AM (z3WCn)

34 Some whales have emotion.

Chris Christie, for example, is passionate about all-you-can-eat buffets.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:11 AM (xTRSc)

35 Ukraine needs more windmills. After the war is over, I bet they start spending money on windmills for Ukraine.

*sighs*

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:11 AM (I/Qkd)

36 Wind projects being denied?

Well, blow me down!

Posted by: Popeye the Wind Turbine at August 21, 2023 11:12 AM (ufFY8)

37 Some whales have emotion.

Chris Christie, for example, is passionate about all-you-can-eat buffets.

Ah, the Outback Jersey Whale.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:12 AM (I/Qkd)

38 Wind turbines: the ultimate colonizers.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:13 AM (KbCG3)

39 The answer, my friend, isn't blowin' in the wind
The answer isn't blowin' in the wind

[Harmonica solo]

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:14 AM (FVME7)

40 IMHO, Wind and solar are best done at the individual level if they are to be done at all. They don't scale particularly well compared with conventional carbon fuel plants or nuclear.

At the individual level, waste solar or wind energy can simply be spilled without much consequence but as far as a grid is concerned--they threaten its stability and require excessive reserve capacity in order to insure reliability.

End the subsidies to big solar or wind and they will disappear pretty quickly.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:14 AM (gQdmS)

41 I remember when the big criticism of building nuclear plants was that heat dispersion into surrounding waters would raise temperatures at the mouth of the exhaust pipes by .1 degree, or so. Fish might be inconvenienced!

Now, whales and dolphins are murdered wholesale in enviro-religionists cry for "more!!"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (/byS3)

42 How can naturalists be pro-turbine?

I have seen them all across the ridgeline of hills in Spain, miles and miles, and up and down the cornfields of fertile Indiana.

They are butt ugly.

And note in the video from Germany two of the turbines are not operating at all.

Posted by: PJ at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (G1dq6)

43 Part of the “Inflation” Reduction Act is the govt. will spend $45 million each year to give grants to study “dual use” photovoltaics.

What are dual use photovoltaics, you ask?

A children’s brainstorming for thinking of things to put solar panels on. That’s it. $45 mil.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (JTwsP)

44 In my neck of the woods I’ve seen a fair amount of small windmills on people’s property out in the country. Would be kind of cool if you had room for it and it could provide electricity for your personal use.

Posted by: Montec

That's just it. You can do that for single family usage. WITH battery storage for the energy produced.

But it doesn't scale up for commercial applications.
Those walk in freezers at Sam's and Costco at 220 or 440 ac have to be powered 24/7/365 without fail.
Same gor all of those skyscrapers.

You don't just shut off the ac at night and crank it back up in the morning.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (G8h7g)

45 Larry Hogan is considering a 3rd party run. I suspect this would hurt the Dems more than us, but who knows.

https://tinyurl.com/5baevak9

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (I/Qkd)

46 Remember Lefties, despite what you believe, your feelings are not protected by the Constitution.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 21, 2023 11:16 AM (CecP5)

47 Chris Christie, for example, is passionate about all-you-can-eat buffets.

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I hate to say anything good about Christie but . . .

Chris Christie Calls for RICO Probe Into Antifa

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:16 AM (FVME7)

48 Larry Hogan sucks cock by choice.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 21, 2023 11:17 AM (NlOOx)

49 45 Larry Hogan is considering a 3rd party run. I suspect this would hurt the Dems more than us, but who knows.

https://tinyurl.com/5baevak9
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MD must be in play if Dems are funding Larry.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 21, 2023 11:17 AM (g/54t)

50 I remember when the big criticism of building nuclear plants was that heat dispersion into surrounding waters would raise temperatures at the mouth of the exhaust pipes by .1 degree, or so. Fish might be inconvenienced!

The people who opposed the Alyeska pipeline said it would hurt caribou migrations. Instead, the caribou gather around it for warmth.

The people who opposed nuke plants because of the hot water said it would hurt manatees. Instead, they gather in the cooling ponds to stay warm in the winter.

The people who oppose are generally pretty ignorant.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (I/Qkd)

51 As for the macro, I’m an all of the above guy on energy. Do it all. Nuclear, solar, wind, coal. Whatever.
Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (wsGq+)

As long as you don't pick my pocket to build your unicorn ranch.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (MWvg6)

52 Those stats for Prince Edward Island are perfect. Tiny island, home to under 200k people, lots of farmland, no significant spikes in consumption -- really an ideal place for wind turbines to show their stuff. Except they're failing, ridiculously. Anyone with an open mind to the technology would start looking at Tidal Bore power generation and ditching those stupid windmills. (But we're not talking about open minds here, are we?)

Posted by: red speck at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (0Id0S)

53 Chris Christie Calls for RICO Probe Into Antifa
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

..

Only took him until August 2023 during a campaign.

He truly cares deeply about this.

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (5v5Je)

54 Larry Hovis >>>>>>> Larry Hogan

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (xTRSc)

55 'Almost 16 million trees have been chopped down on publicly owned land in Scotland'

I'm surprised they had to cut down that many trees to get open space for wind farms in Scotland. So much of it was already treeless when I was there in 1996.

Maybe they re-forested and then cut them down again.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (uFrU+)

56 a company out of Portland, Oregon is installing 48 turbines just south of our town about an hour SW of Houston. We only heard of it about 6 weeks ago and there are about 10 of them up already but not operational.
At about 40 miles from the coast they should make robust hurricane targets.

Posted by: DanMan at August 21, 2023 11:19 AM (DB6tu)

57 "End the subsidies to big solar or wind and they will disappear pretty quickly.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:14 AM (gQdmS)"

I had a very interesting conversation with someone who knows more about this than most, and he made the same point. He felt that as technologies advanced, it would become a better business case for individual ownership. Cost, efficiency and longevity of things like panels, batteries, etc. would eventually make sense. But that's not where people are putting their money in a rush to replace the current power company paradigm. He thought it was not just short sighted, but a deliberate attempt to weaponize power as another means to control people. The last thing they want is people being independent of their control. This guy wasn't some conspiracy kook either.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (NReIw)

58 Part of the “Inflation” Reduction Act is the govt. will spend $45 million each year to give grants to study “dual use” photovoltaics.

What are dual use photovoltaics, you ask?

A children’s brainstorming for thinking of things to put solar panels on. That’s it. $45 mil.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Put over parking lots so you can park in the shade. Now, where's my $45 mil?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (FVME7)

59 52 Those stats for Prince Edward Island are perfect. Tiny island, home to under 200k people, lots of farmland, no significant spikes in consumption -- really an ideal place for wind turbines to show their stuff. Except they're failing, ridiculously. Anyone with an open mind to the technology would start looking at Tidal Bore power generation and ditching those stupid windmills. (But we're not talking about open minds here, are we?)
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They should start drilling to find the Ark of Covenant.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (g/54t)

60 Ozymandias would understand.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

*nods*
He nuked New York after all...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

He dropped an engineered psychic fake intergalactic alien squid on NYC, you heretic.

Posted by: The movie version of his plan made zero sense. at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (fhX0j)

61 Maybe they re-forested and then cut them down again.

Scotland wasn't originally so barren of trees; they were cut down to make pasturage for sheep. In the last 50 years, Scotland has been planting large swathes of trees to try and regenerate the forest. Those are probably what they've been cutting down.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (I/Qkd)

62
Larry Hogan is considering a 3rd party run. I suspect this would hurt the Dems more than us, but who knows.

https://tinyurl.com/5baevak9
Posted by: Archimedes

From the look of him, Larry Hogan has NEVER considered ANY sort of a run.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (xG4kz)

63 This just in: Moo Moo is still for EVs, wind, and solar.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (Oto6+)

64 Willowed from last thread:

Speaking of hot Star Trek babes, don’t forget Sherry Jackson.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (xTRSc)

65 5
'This is a money laundering scheme.'

Good point. I'll bet contribution to PEI politicians aren't down to 40%.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (uFrU+)

66 60 Ozymandias would understand.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

*nods*
He nuked New York after all...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

He dropped an engineered psychic fake intergalactic alien squid on NYC, you heretic.
Posted by: The movie version of his plan made zero sense. at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (fhX0j)

psychic alien squid nukes are still nukes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

67 I suspect there will be a huge quantity of wind emanating from a certain debate stage in Milwaukee Wednesday night…. Perhaps the climate cultists could position some turbines nearby to harness this enormous energy…. Especially when Chris Christie is talking…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (hVHZW)

68 All of this from the people that used to claim "A butterfly flapping it's wings in Brazil can affect the weather in Montana".
Consider how much energy thousands of wind turbines pull out of a weather system. One can't help but think this has a disruptive effect.
It's almost like they don't even believe their own bullshit.

Posted by: Mildly Retarded Lurker at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (+nxIh)

69 Part of the “Inflation” Reduction Act is the govt. will spend $45 million each year to give grants to study “dual use” photovoltaics.

What are dual use photovoltaics, you ask?

A children’s brainstorming for thinking of things to put solar panels on. That’s it. $45 mil.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (JTwsP)

Solar powered calculators!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 11:21 AM (4I/2K)

70 Old style small windmills were perfect for pumping water because it didn't matter if their output was intermittent- they just kept the level of a small water tank up. Hooking am intermittent source up to a grid that requires constant power was idiotic.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 21, 2023 11:22 AM (2XnYE)

71 Sweden returning to sanity?

Now toss out the non-Scandinavian invaders that are causing so much crime, and Sweden will be great again!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 21, 2023 11:22 AM (J2vNu)

72 Larry Fine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry Hovis >>>>>>> Larry Hogan

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 21, 2023 11:22 AM (flINI)

73
A children’s brainstorming for thinking of things to put solar panels on. That’s it. $45 mil.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (JTwsP)

Solar powered calculators!
Posted by: Count de Monet at A

Solar powered calculator watches!

Posted by: Advanced 1983 technology FTW at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (fhX0j)

74 If wind power were a viable alternative to more conventional power sources, it wouldn't need massive subsidies and laws compelling its adoption to make it happen. This is not a new technology. If there was anything to it, wind power providers would have become rich and successful long ago. People don't "pollute" just for the sake of being mean to the environment.

Posted by: PG at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (84jHt)

75 53 Chris Christie Calls for RICO Probe Into Antifa
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

..

Only took him until August 2023 during a campaign.

He truly cares deeply about this.
Posted by: Last Days of the Republic at August 21, 2023 11:18 AM (5v5Je)

I'll take a good idea from just about anywhere. Even from that fat, useless, bush league, low rent opportunist rent boy whore who steps on his own dick when he can find it. I'm all for good ideas.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (z+89e)

76 Ignorant narcissists are the most dangerous people in the world. All Leftist useful idiots are ignorant narcissists.

But keep thinking there’s no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (MNhXM)

77 Sweden returning to sanity?

Now toss out the non-Scandinavian invaders that are causing so much crime, and Sweden will be great again!

Word!

Posted by: Gustavus Adolphus at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (I/Qkd)

78 I've yet to pass a so-called "wind farm" and seen more than a handful of the turbines actually spinning. I've seen this in several mid-western states, Texas and California.

No more than half a dozen out of 20, 30 or 100 of the things actually working.

But somebody is making money off them. When it becomes less lucrative they'll stop demanding they be built. And because the leftists never clean up after themselves, the shit will rust in place and be eye sores until there's FedGov monies to "clean it up."

Those contracts will obviously go to leftists. The irony...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (Q4IgG)

79 My chance of being president is equal to Larry Hogan’s chances. Zero percent vs zero percent…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (hVHZW)

80 Wind farms do really well in Tornadoes, the 300 mph winds and flying cars and trucks in an F-5 generate lots of extra electricity.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 21, 2023 11:23 AM (CecP5)

81 Isn't Sweden the rape capital of the world?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:24 AM (8P2/j)

82 42 How can naturalists be pro-turbine?

I have seen them all across the ridgeline of hills in Spain, miles and miles, and up and down the cornfields of fertile Indiana.

They are butt ugly.

And note in the video from Germany two of the turbines are not operating at all.

Posted by: PJ at August 21, 2023 11:15 AM (G1dq6)

++++

Whenever I've driven through areas with wind farms in the SW my heart just sinks. They are a blight on the landscape, and on top of that, you can see that half of them don't work. It is the epitome of failure and ugliness.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 21, 2023 11:24 AM (XeHMZ)

83 32
'methane powered generator shoved up Krispy Kreme's ass '

That'll knock some birds out of the sky.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 11:24 AM (uFrU+)

84 came online with 10 turbines at a cost of $60 million in 2014.

Even if those things were performing at 100% (i.e. 30MW) 24/7/365, it would take 20 years at 12¢/kWh to recover your initial cost. How can you call that an 'investment' with a straight face?

Posted by: t-bird at August 21, 2023 11:24 AM (e2onP)

85 I thought the Ark of the Covenant was buried on Oak Island.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:24 AM (xTRSc)

86 "Chris Christie Calls for RICO Probe Into Antifa, and Mandatory Carving Stations at Every Buffett"

Posted by: Marcus T at August 21, 2023 11:25 AM (NReIw)

87 81 Isn't Sweden the rape capital of the world?
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Nah, that's South Africa.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 21, 2023 11:25 AM (g/54t)

88 85 I thought the Ark of the Covenant was buried on Oak Island.
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That's a Templar Head Fake.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 21, 2023 11:25 AM (g/54t)

89 But Hogan is a "Republican" the Dems are running him to siphon votes from Trump.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at August 21, 2023 11:26 AM (roPuI)

90 Nah, that's South Africa.
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I thought SA was the wypipo-killin' capital of the world.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:26 AM (8P2/j)

91 On many trips to and from the SW, I pass through some real big wind farms in OK and TX. I have never seen it where all are turning. At the most, maybe 70%.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 11:26 AM (0EOe9)

92 Shoot, missed a digit (font was too big). 2 years in a perfect world. I guess there was a case.

Posted by: t-bird at August 21, 2023 11:26 AM (e2onP)

93 So basically you're saying they've sown the wind.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:26 AM (FVME7)

94 Funny how it's only the West that absolutely must just gotta install these contraptions.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (H9sxy)

95 I used to think the Leftist death cult was only about killing off all humanity to "save the Earth."

I was too optimistic. It's clear now that their death lust will only be sated with the eradication of ALL LIFE ITSELF.

Only a universe sterile of even the tiniest microbe will slake their thirst for blood. When you think of whom they serve, this actually makes sense.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (YIVH2)

96 “Rhode Island Energy Rejects Plan for Nearly 1000MW Offshore Wind Project” [WPRI – 7/19/2023]

The state’s largest utility company has decided not to move forward with a massive offshore wind project in Rhode Island, arguing that rising costs have made the deal too expensive for ratepayers and out of line with state law.

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Is this just NIMBYism?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

97 ... He thought it was not just short sighted, but a deliberate attempt to weaponize power as another means to control people. The last thing they want is people being independent of their control. This guy wasn't some conspiracy kook either.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (NReIw)
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Vision of the future: personal power systems - solar or wind at your home, standby generators, etc. - are put under utility control. Like PG&E's crackpot scheme to drain EV batteries to feed the grid, you will have to go through a remotely-controlled transfer switch, If they need your juice, they'll turn off your house and feed it into the grid. And if you don't permit installation or bypass the controller or you deploy a power solution without permits that give the state knowledge of your installation, you'll be subject to penalties like arrest.

I don't know that this will happen, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (kBSKe)

98 "It's something that needs to be rectified quickly, because it's standing in the way of our goals," said Steven Myers, P.E.I.'s minister of environment, energy and climate action.

Steve! Where the hell were you when the first failed, then the second, then the third? Even after half of them fell off, where were you?

And I appreciate that you have goals. So does most everyone else on the planet, and the difference is, your goals require destroying other people's goals.

So my question is: By what authority do you have to make and enforce goals that are designed to drive people into penury and misery?

Where did it come from?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (p8A+W)

99 He thought it was not just short sighted, but a deliberate attempt to weaponize power as another means to control people. The last thing they want is people being independent of their control. This guy wasn't some conspiracy kook either.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Microinverters allow basically you to assemble solar panels like Leggos and given that the micro inverters change the power to 120 v at the source, they are safer in most respect and can be directed toward homes when the grid fails or to the grid if needed without bulky storage batteries (although Powerwall (Tesla's a/c battery system) and one other a/c battery system are pretty tempting for cold winters) to run things like stove vent fans.

Farmers figured out windmills long ago and they are best used for a prolonged task with no particular urgency such as grinding wheat or pumping water up from the ground to storage tanks for use.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (gQdmS)

100 86 "Chris Christie Calls for RICO Probe Into Antifa, and Mandatory Carving Stations at Every Buffett"

reminds me of the time the stewardess announced that we should keep our seatbelts fastened in case of unexpected buffeting (she pronounced it "buff-AY-ing" rather than "BUFF-ett-ing"). i chuckled.

Posted by: anachronda at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (oY6Yp)

101 Going to find out real quick whales have to do their part in the Church of Global Warming

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (orrYN)

102 So basically you're saying they've sown the wind.

And now they shall reap the...well...not much really.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (I/Qkd)

103 99 Microinverters allow basically you to assemble solar panels like Leggos

waffles?

Posted by: anachronda at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (oY6Yp)

104 One good bit of ambient story telling in Cyberpunk 2077 was the fields with rows and rows of windmills- almost all of which are broken down.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (zZu0s)

105 Greetings! I have a nephew who used to work for a company that maintains these enormous wind farms, he told me they require lots of maintenance or else they just catch on fire and collapse. Lots of moving parts, electrical contacts. Dangerous job, I think he moved on from it.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (MeG8a)

106 102 So basically you're saying they've sown the wind.

And now they shall reap the...well...not much really.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (I/Qkd)

Hard to recycle plastics and metals?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (zZu0s)

107 And if you don't permit installation or bypass the controller or you deploy a power solution without permits that give the state knowledge of your installation, you'll be subject to penalties like arrest.

That sounds exactly like "Consent of the Governed" !

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (p8A+W)

108 I don't know that this will happen, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

See my comment about solar systems with microinverters. Better way to go as the a/c power from them does not care which direction it goes--to the grid or to your home and these systems are more easily scaled and built up over time.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (gQdmS)

109 Is this just NIMBYism?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

Rhode Island, so that would be Not In Mythical Back Yard.

Posted by: spindrift at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (pyXMr)

110 98 Steve! Where the hell were you when the first failed, then the second, then the third? Even after half of them fell off, where were you?

And I appreciate that you have goals. So does most everyone else on the planet, and the difference is, your goals require destroying other people's goals.

So my question is: By what authority do you have to make and enforce goals that are designed to drive people into penury and misery?

Where did it come from?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (p8A+W)

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When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

111 Old and Busted: "TIMBER!"
The New Hotness: "TURBINE!"

Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (O8Syn)

112 109 Is this just NIMBYism?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

Rhode Island, so that would be Not In Mythical Back Yard.
Posted by: spindrift at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (pyXMr)

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*touches nose*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

113 102 So basically you're saying they've sown the wind.

And now they shall reap the...well...not much really.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (I/Qkd)

I hear South Africa is the reap capital of the world...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

114 Larry Hovis >>>>>>> Larry Hogan
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Colonel Hogan >>>>>>Larry Hogan.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (Wy1BU)

115 reminds me of the time the stewardess announced that we should keep our seatbelts fastened in case of unexpected buffeting (she pronounced it "buff-AY-ing" rather than "BUFF-ett-ing"). i chuckled.
Posted by: anachronda at August 21, 2023 11:28 AM (oY6Yp)

Chris Christie was in first class, and ready to eat anything that wasn't buckled down.

Posted by: Amy Klobuchar at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (/EuRN)

116 See my comment about solar systems with microinverters. Better way to go as the a/c power from them does not care which direction it goes--to the grid or to your home and these systems are more easily scaled and built up over time.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:29 AM (gQdmS)
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You can't feed the local grid at 120, but yeah - something like that. But my point isn't technical feasibility, it's who will have mandatory control of that decision.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (kBSKe)

117 waffles?
Posted by: anachronda

Heh. Dunno what the plural of one Lego block would be.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (gQdmS)

118 Funny how it's only the West that absolutely must just gotta install these contraptions.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
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Not so funny when you realize that the goal is the West's destruction.

In any case, gonna enjoy having affordable electricity while I still can, since TPTB is going to do away with the coal-power plants in my neck of the woods and install a huge solar farm in 2025.

Used to upset me, but now, meh.
It is what it is.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (8P2/j)

119 A couple of guys I know are making a boatload of money hauling windmill blades from somewhere in the the northwest states to a windfarm in Saskatchewan.
The loads are insanely long. The rear wheels are turned with a remote control device in a pickup.
They also haul equipment for oil and gas.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (HfNu5)

120 Ho lee cow, that was an old sock.

Phew.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 21, 2023 11:30 AM (/EuRN)

121 Farmers figured out windmills long ago and they are best used for a prolonged task with no particular urgency such as grinding wheat or pumping water up from the ground to storage tanks for use.

Then came rural electrification and those same windmills were turned over to rust.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (p8A+W)

122
"Chris Christie Calls for RICO Probe Into Antifa, and Mandatory Carving Stations at Every Buffett"
Posted by: Marcus T

"... Oh, and a greater variety of dipping sauces from which to choose!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (xG4kz)

123 Environmentalist scientists know that solar and wind power are failures and do much more harm to the environment than fossil fuel, nuclear or hydro has ever done. Though they are the typical narcissist that will never ever admit they were wrong. They would rather takes us all down together.

On a side note if you ever had a debate with a narcissist that you proved was wrong and the debate appeared over, you can be sure he walked away thinking he was still right and somehow the facts were incorrect.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (MNhXM)

124 Now, list how many gallons of oil one of those babies use for lubrication.

On the order of 80 gallons of oil.

What do you think is burning when they catch fire???
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 11:06 AM (G8h7g)

How much does a set of bearings cost?

Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

125 New Emails Provide Stunning Evidence of DOJ and Hunter Biden Corruption

Merrick Garland is not pretty enough to be this stupid.
Lesley Wolf and David Weiss are typical bureaucrats, their gene pool could use a little chlorine.
They will all be utterly forgotten like an unwanted season.

Posted by: SMOD at August 21, 2023 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

126 You can't feed the local grid at 120, but yeah - something like that. But my point isn't technical feasibility, it's who will have mandatory control of that decision.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Apparently you can with the correct setup,
https://enphase.com/installers/microinverters

This system can also feed to AC battery storage fwiw.

Interesting from a technical standpoint.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:32 AM (gQdmS)

127 there is a wind turbine about a mile from me, and we are not in a great wind zone. It generated about half what initial estimates were, had to have blades changed once (for more efficient ones?, not sure why). It had to be the subsidy.

Those wind turbines not turning, probably shut down due to high winds? And that itself is an issue, if brakes or gearing fail ... but they love chopping birds and bats.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 11:32 AM (Cus5s)

128 How much does a set of bearings cost?
Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

At that level of infrastructure, no one asks "how much", they ask "who, whom".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 21, 2023 11:33 AM (/EuRN)

129 The key to sustainable energy is to lower our expectations. Green energy would work if the masses weren't so demanding.

Posted by: Ripley at August 21, 2023 11:33 AM (KrJTL)

130 If one million people were to wear a beanie with a propeller all day, charging a battery, we would have produced enough energy to power 500,000 flashlights for a half hour. But it's all fun and games until the battery in your shirt pocket goes Tesla.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (0EOe9)

131 Federalist: I Rented A Tesla For A Week And Am Totally Sold On Gas-Powered Cars

After test-driving one for an entire week, we learned we will never buy a Tesla or any electric vehicle as long as we have the option of gas-powered cars or even hybrids.

Posted by: SMOD at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

132 Apparently you can with the correct setup,
https://enphase.com/installers/microinverters

This system can also feed to AC battery storage fwiw.

Interesting from a technical standpoint.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:32 AM (gQdmS)
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Yeah. For grid-tie, it is probably at 240 split-phase and otherwise it's just 120v phases.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (kBSKe)

133 New Emails Provide Stunning Evidence of DOJ and Hunter Biden Corruption
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Stunning, huh?

Does this mean justice will prevail?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (8P2/j)

134 This system can also feed to AC battery storage fwiw.

Interesting from a technical standpoint.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:32 AM (gQdmS)

What the heck is an AC battery? Is that a regular battery plus inverter in one package?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (MWvg6)

135 Then came rural electrification and those same windmills were turned over to rust.
Posted by: Reuben Hick
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They took maintenance and electricity was easier and cheaper at the time than fiddling with the varying production from windmills.

Still decent for a minimal backup power scenario especially in some locales during winter to supplement solar but hardly a panacea.

Passive solar heating is probably the most efficient use though compared with wind or solar in a lot of the country.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (gQdmS)

136 131 Federalist: I Rented A Tesla For A Week And Am Totally Sold On Gas-Powered Cars

After test-driving one for an entire week, we learned we will never buy a Tesla or any electric vehicle as long as we have the option of gas-powered cars or even hybrids.
Posted by: SMOD at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

And so the answer is pretty obvious to the commies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (zZu0s)

137 The Swedish government declared on Wednesday that by 2045, at least ten conventional nuclear reactors or a greater number of smaller, modular equivalents need to be built. The demand for electrical energy is expected to double over the next 20 years.

Good for Sweden! Now their soon to be overlords from outside of Europe will be able to keep warm in the winter as they take over!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (Angsy)

138 133 New Emails Provide Stunning Evidence of DOJ and Hunter Biden Corruption
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Stunning, huh?

Does this mean justice will prevail?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (8P2/j)

=======

Is the evidence also brave?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

139 128 How much does a set of bearings cost?
Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

At that level of infrastructure, no one asks "how much", they ask "who, whom".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 21, 2023 11:33 AM (/EuRN)

ok, Whom much?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (z+89e)

140 Used to upset me, but now, meh.
It is what it is.

Posted by: SMH

-

We had revival recently. The preacher said something that I liked:

"You read the Book. You read the end. You know God wins and then all of this burns up. What are you fussing about?"

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (Oto6+)

141 If one million people were to wear a beanie with a propeller all day, charging a battery, we would have produced enough energy to power 500,000 flashlights for a half hour. But it's all fun and games until the battery in your shirt pocket goes Tesla.
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I laughed way too hard at the mental pic of this.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (8P2/j)

142 In any case, gonna enjoy having affordable electricity while I still can, since TPTB is going to do away with the coal-power plants in my neck of the woods and install a huge solar farm in 2025.

While roasting in the 107°F heat over the weekend, I noticed that the SPP's energy distribution pie chart had coal, nat gas and wind (in that order). Solar was a miniscule slice.

Looking at it Right Now:

https://tinyurl.com/28ls9axe

The distribution is:
NatGas: 45%
Coal: 37%
Wind: 8%
Nuclear: 4%
...
Solar: 0.5%

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (p8A+W)

143 It just so hapax, that the plural of “Lego” is “Legomena.”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (xTRSc)

144 blow it out your ass

Posted by: your betters at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (us2H3)

145 On Tuesday, the P.E.I. Energy Corporation said only four of those turbines remain functional — with no reason given as to why.

Because each one contains several gallons of oil (when they catch fire, that's a large part of what really burns) and nobody's changing the oil on them so the mechanical parts all turn into "I just gave a kid who can't drive stick a 650 HP BMW and why did the connecting rods just launch into orbit?".

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (2ocoG)

146 "You read the Book. You read the end. You know God wins and then all of this burns up. What are you fussing about?"
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Heh, exactly.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (8P2/j)

147 105
'they require lots of maintenance'

I'm not surprised. The wind beats the shit out of those things. The bearings on the fan spindle must be something to behold.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (uFrU+)

148 Efforts to make wind turbines reliable and efficient are largely in vane...

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (991eG)

149 The Swedish government declared on Wednesday that by 2045, at least ten conventional nuclear reactors or a greater number of smaller, modular equivalents need to be built. The demand for electrical energy is expected to double over the next 20 years.

Good for Sweden! Now their soon to be overlords from outside of Europe will be able to keep warm in the winter as they take over!!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (Angsy)
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Just in time for Sweden - by then a Muslim-majority country - to have a massive nuclear infrastructure at its disposal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (kBSKe)

150 The windmill that fell down... uh... why are the OTHERS in the picture, not rotating? oh, that's right, they shut them down if there is TOO MUCH WIND.

Go over Tehachapi pass in Calif, HUNDREDS of non working windmills, because it turns out the tax credit was just to put them up, not maintain them.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (oHd/0)

151 The key to sustainable energy is to lower our expectations. Green energy would work if the masses weren't so demanding.
Posted by: Ripley at August 21, 2023 11:33 AM

This, ultimately, is their goal. You'll get nothing and like it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (FVJNG)

152 The environmentalists are also tearing down clean energy production in favor of other ‘environmental’ anti human pursuits.

I forgot the exact number of dams that have been taken down but it’s not a small number.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (MNhXM)

153 After test-driving one for an entire week, we learned we will never buy a Tesla or any electric vehicle as long as we have the option of gas-powered cars or even hybrids.
Posted by: SMOD at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

Hybrids are gas-powered vehicles. I know there are some "plug-in" hybrids that can be used as a pure electric for short hops, but AFAIK, there are no "hybrids" that must be recharged from the grid.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (MWvg6)

154 148 Efforts to make wind turbines reliable and efficient are largely in vane...
Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (991eG)

ah, yer just blowin hot air...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (oHd/0)

155 What the heck is an AC battery? Is that a regular battery plus inverter in one package?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Look up ac coupled battery systems--outputs a/c voltage rather than dc.

Here is one company's offerings.
https://tinyurl.com/43t9vatm

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (gQdmS)

156 "You read the Book. You read the end. You know God wins and then all of this burns up. What are you fussing about?"
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (Oto6+)

It may be folly, but it seemed like we were alive for a shining moment in human history. Truly unprecedented. Even if there were dark undercurrents, I think the overall picture was a wonderful thing.

Might just be me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (zZu0s)

157 Passive solar heating is probably the most efficient use though compared with wind or solar in a lot of the country.

I have a friend with a mansion in Guanajuato, MX who heats the bath water with passive solar (just like everyone else does).

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:38 AM (p8A+W)

158 BabylonBee: Georgia Indicts Millions Of Voters For Conspiring To Elect Trump

Posted by: SMOD at August 21, 2023 11:38 AM (RHGPo)

159 The notion of "clean" energy is a myth.

Even if the sun, or gravity, or some such is directly making the source of energy you need materials to harness it. Materials which will need to be mined, manufactured, and replaced over time

Posted by: 18-1 at August 21, 2023 11:38 AM (lc5cP)

160 While roasting in the 107°F heat over the weekend, I noticed that the SPP's energy distribution pie chart had coal, nat gas and wind (in that order). Solar was a miniscule slice.

You can do useful things with solar for a single small house (I watch a guy on YouTube who's building an off-grid cabin in the middle of nowhere in Ohio and he has A/C), but it doesn't scale up.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:38 AM (2ocoG)

161 My little effort: A 1000w solar battery with 4 panels that I charge in my backyard. Then the battery powers my dishwasher so I can do my dishes independent of my power provider which charges me more $ at dinnertime. I'm out maybe $2200.
It may pay for itself by the time I need to replace it, LOL...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (MeG8a)

162 New Emails Provide Stunning Evidence of DOJ and Hunter Biden Corruption

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Heard someone discussing this on the radio this morning. Tara Servatius, a very sharp lady out of Greenville, SC if any of you are looking for something to listen to while you drive or work.

The hypothesis is that Hunter is not only the bagman for Joe and the Biden family, but for Obama and most, maybe all, of the Democrats. Possibly D.C.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (Oto6+)

163 Go over Tehachapi pass in Calif, HUNDREDS of non working windmills, because it turns out the tax credit was just to put them up, not maintain them.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (oHd/0)
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Sadly, this behavior is not confined to just windmills. I see it here in higher ed whenever someone gets a grant to "remodel a classroom." Somehow, there's never any long term plan for maintaining or replacing the equipment. So after a few years, it all looks like crap.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (YIVH2)

164 Prisoners sued a Wind company because during sunset the Flicker was driving them mad and they won, I have seen a Documentary on wind Farms coming to small towns and the houses that live near them and the Flicker in the house was maddening

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (dKiJG)

165 After test-driving one for an entire week, we learned we will never buy a Tesla or any electric vehicle as long as we have the option of gas-powered cars or even hybrids.
Posted by: SMOD at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

And so the answer is pretty obvious to the commies.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:34 AM

Exactly. Ban ICE vehicles.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (FVJNG)

166 ah, yer just blowin hot air...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (oHd/0)

I figure it's just spin.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (Angsy)

167 Hybrids are gas-powered vehicles. I know there are some "plug-in" hybrids that can be used as a pure electric for short hops, but AFAIK, there are no "hybrids" that must be recharged from the grid.

Toyota advertised hybrids as "self-charging electric cars" (which is 100% true) until the leftists got really angry.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:40 AM (2ocoG)

168 Go over Tehachapi pass in Calif, HUNDREDS of non working windmills, because it turns out the tax credit was just to put them up, not maintain them.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:36 AM (oHd/0)

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Yeah, I've seen those. Just sickening.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 21, 2023 11:40 AM (XeHMZ)

169
Federalist: I Rented A Tesla For A Week And Am Now Totally Gay ~~Sold On Gas-Powered Cars~~

FIFY

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 21, 2023 11:40 AM (xG4kz)

170 Green energy and EVs can work so long as you don't need a car or electricity.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:40 AM (Oto6+)

171 Hybrids are gas-powered vehicles. I know there are some "plug-in" hybrids that can be used as a pure electric for short hops, but AFAIK, there are no "hybrids" that must be recharged from the grid.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (MWvg6)

I will never understand why they basically skipped the hybrid step in their push for reducing fossil fuel use. There are a reasonable arguments to eventually switch over to hybrids.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:40 AM (MNhXM)

172 When I had a cabin in the woods I had solar water heating. It was a length of black garden hose full of water on the roof. It worked! But it was hillbilly as heck.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (MeG8a)

173 Prisoners sued a Wind company because during sunset the Flicker was driving them mad and they won, I have seen a Documentary on wind Farms coming to small towns and the houses that live near them and the Flicker in the house was maddening
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 21, 2023 11:39 AM (dKiJG)
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Yep. It would drive me NUTS to live under something like that...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (YIVH2)

174 Hybrids are gas-powered vehicles. I know there are some "plug-in" hybrids that can be used as a pure electric for short hops, but AFAIK, there are no "hybrids" that must be recharged from the grid.

TBH, Hybrid is the way to go - at least for me. From an engineering standpoint, it makes sense.

From a survivalist standpoint, with a home solar rig, the government can't shut off all my fuel - only the petroleum component.

So if they ration gasoline, I'm hobbled, but not disabled.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (p8A+W)

175 Look up ac coupled battery systems--outputs a/c voltage rather than dc.

Here is one company's offerings.
https://tinyurl.com/43t9vatm

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:37 AM (gQdmS)

Exactly what I supposed. Of course, neither batteries or inverters are 100% efficient.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (MWvg6)

176 TJM, that was a good reference and you're a good lad for making it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (KbCG3)

177 ooof. I just ducked my head into the wind turbine bearing manufacturers rabbit hole. Don't go in there. There was lots of shiny things and math. Would not hang.

However, they also sell lube. A diverse array of lubes.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (z+89e)

178 Yeah. For grid-tie, it is probably at 240 split-phase and otherwise it's just 120v phases.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Microinverter systems also produces more electricity as well from the panels because 12v panels routed into one big inverter basically average the input to the inverter--micro inverters allow each panel or groups of panels to produce maximum output without regards to what other panels may be producing.

Microinverters also eases wiring, decreases fire and shock risk, and make it easy to add panels and microinverters to an existing system.

Been looking at installing one of these as emergency backup and the fact you can install these as initially grid tied but reverting to home power if teh grid is down is a definite selling feature.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (gQdmS)

179 160 I visited a model home in NE Ohio. Geothermal, solar panels, a big heat sink filled with rocks, a windmill, the works, and it still needed to be hooked up to the grid. Probably the only way around it would be a natural gas well powering a generator, but that's giving Mother Earth the number 6 dance.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (0EOe9)

180 "You read the Book. You read the end. You know God wins and then all of this burns up. What are you fussing about?"
___

Heh, exactly.
Posted by: SMH

Speaking with my neighbor this morning - died in the wool atheist. During the course of our conversation, we went on and on about dying and then that's it. "I'll be dead. So what?"

Couldn't even give the smallest consideration to the idea of Hell or eternal damnation.

I asked him "But what if you're wrong?"

*blink, blink*

Posted by: Tonypete at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (WSTFK)

181 When I had a cabin in the woods I had solar water heating. It was a length of black garden hose full of water on the roof. It worked! But it was hillbilly as heck.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (MeG8a)

I have no cold water in my house right now. Don’t even have to turn on the hot water to take a shower.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (MNhXM)

182 And so the answer is pretty obvious to the commies.
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Exactly. Ban ICE vehicles.

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You joke, but this is 100% correct. The Chevy Volt had an electric motor that the small gas engine would charge on the go. The gas motor didn't drive anything. It just charged the EV. And it was soundly rejected by EV nutjobs because it still burned gasoline. EVs can only be all electric. Nothing else is allowed, even though that type of design allows range like a real car.

It's a cult.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (Oto6+)

183 , I have seen a Documentary on wind Farms coming to small towns and the houses that live near them and the Flicker in the house was maddening

The flicker can lead to grand mal seizures in some people.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (p8A+W)

184 176 TJM, that was a good reference and you're a good lad for making it.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (KbCG3)

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My brain is currently melting while trying to absorb the information in this training about our tax module offering.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

185 I wonder if you could combine passive solar to heat water, then use that water as if it were in a geothermal system....

I mean, you obviously *could*, I just don't know if it would be worth it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (/EuRN)

186 The gas motor

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Gas engine, sorry. Dangit. Now there will be a dozen posts pointing out the error.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (Oto6+)

187 If one million people were to wear a beanie with a propeller all day, charging a battery, we would have produced enough energy to power 500,000 flashlights for a half hour.

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If you put the beanies on a million monkeys could they power enough electric typewriters to crank out all of the works of Shakespeare while they are at it?

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (991eG)

188 "Funny how it's only the West that absolutely must just gotta install these contraptions.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm"

If they built them in Africa the would quickly be scavenged for useful parts or re-purposed to something else, like killing other tribes.

Posted by: Ripley at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (KrJTL)

189 IIRC, Dad and I were discussing what to do with peak energy produced from solar or wind. He mentioned a system of reservoirs and a hydroelectric plant. During peak, you'd pump the water into the higher reservoir in order to 'store' the energy and then during periods of lower output, you could empty the reservoir through the hydroelectric plant in order to generate the extra capacity.

I pointed out that it would be a massive undertaking (plus inefficient), but it made sense. He said it would work better than trying to make a massive battery now.

The thing about the big Balls projects and ideas of the past (like ORION) were that they were practical solutions that would work to solve a problem NOW, with what you had, not with what you theorize you would have in 20 years (like fusion, for example.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)

190 128 How much does a set of bearings cost?
Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

At that level of infrastructure, no one asks "how much", they ask "who, whom".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 21, 2023 11:33 AM (/EuRN)

ok, Whom much?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (z+89e)

never send to know for whom the toll bills; the bill's for thee."

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

191 We used to kill whales for real, working energy.

That was terrible, so now we kill whales for graft.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (kjOVp)

192 We had revival recently. The preacher said something that I liked:

"You read the Book. You read the end. You know God wins and then all of this burns up. What are you fussing about?"
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:35 AM (Oto6+)

Evil still needs to be opposed. God helps those who help themselves.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

193 However, they also sell lube. A diverse array of lubes.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls

The Paolo, he may be, how you say, interested.

Posted by: The Paolo at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (WSTFK)

194 Hey, AOP, I have an off-topic question for you if you can.

I have a leaf blower with a 2-cycle engine. Fairly new. I used it maybe a month ago and all was well. I used it again yesterday and it started up fine, idled fine, etc. (I had to open the choke, of course, after starting). It also works fine and runs up as expected as the throttle is opened up - but only to about 2/3. The moment I cross that threshold, it starts to stutter and then dies. I could run it at 2/3 no problem.

Do you have any recommendation for where I start looking on that? I know little about 2-cycle engines.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (kBSKe)

195 191 We used to kill whales for real, working energy.

That was terrible, so now we kill whales for graft.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (kjOVp)

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"Where do I sign up?!"
-Ahab

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

196 Tesla's Powerwall is another such battery system
https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (gQdmS)

197 This may be a dumb question but wouldn't wind power be kind of self-sustaining if you lined them all up in a row?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (KbCG3)

198 They sell the wind farms as lasting 25 years, and neglect to mention the cost of annual maintenance or any real data suggesting the machines will last that long.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (O1z4v)

199 181 When I had a cabin in the woods I had solar water heating. It was a length of black garden hose full of water on the roof. It worked! But it was hillbilly as heck.

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My neighbors had that for their pool. The water was pumped through the hoses on the roof and kept the water nice and toasty.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (wsGq+)

200 "Oh, I'm sorry... are you whales from England?"

Posted by: Just the punchline at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (kjOVp)

201 Microinverter systems also produces more electricity as well from the panels because 12v panels routed into one big inverter basically average the input to the inverter--micro inverters allow each panel or groups of panels to produce maximum output without regards to what other panels may be producing. ...
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (gQdmS)
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Sounds a lot like the battery array controllers for EVs and it wouldn't surprise me if there is a lot of shared technology there. Different banks are all independently managed and tied in intelligently (better wear leveling, ability to compensate for voltage differences, etc.).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (kBSKe)

202 Today, I want to make a commitment to the people of Maui and to all Americans: I will declare a national climate emergency. We will marshal every resource, every piece of legislation, every ounce of innovation and spirit this nation possesses to fight the looming threat of climate change.

To the skeptics and deniers, I urge you to come here, to see the devastation, to look into the eyes of those who’ve lost everything. This is not a theoretical debate for future generations. This is here. This is now. We can no longer afford to be on the sidelines, we must act now.

I call on Congress, on leaders at every level, and on every American: let’s invest in clean energy, let’s reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, and let’s make a future where our children won’t have to flee into the oceans to escape wildfires.

Thank you, and God bless the resilient people of Maui and the United States of America.

Posted by: 'Robert L. Peters', 'Robin Ware,' and 'JRB ware' at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (RHGPo)

203 Gas engine, sorry. Dangit. Now there will be a dozen posts pointing out the error.

I don't know why the Internet's decided to weaponize that usage, but "motor" is perfectly cromulent for an ICE. Hence "motor mounts" and other similar usages.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (2ocoG)

204 Great Government Thinking Of Our Time From Democrat Congressional Candidate Salem Snow Of Pennsylvania

Salem Snow
@Salem4Congress
Replying to @davevsgoliath1 and @ninaturner
You do understand that reparations would come from the government and not your wallet, right?

Photo of Salem

https://ballotpedia.org/Salem_Snow

So it'd be like free?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)

205 198 They sell the wind farms as lasting 25 years, and neglect to mention the cost of annual maintenance or any real data suggesting the machines will last that long.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (O1z4v)

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Yeah, well, they sell nuclear on being able to operate for decades but refuse to talk about the number of Jane Fondas required to keep their image negative.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

206 Notice in the video of the collapsing turbine that the others are not spinning. They have to feather the blades if the wind is too strong. I guess that one didn't feather.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (O1z4v)

207 The wind turbines installed st PE I are now 10vyears old. Newest models are much more reliable.
That being said wind turbines fo need maintenance. It is quite probable that was the reason for failures.
Buck doesn't seem to understand that even in red states few are willing to finance a 3 billion dollar fossil fuel plant not knowing what the fuel cost will be in 10 or 30 or 50 years
The USA is pumping more oil now than under Trump.
But
Our wholesale gasoline prices in the USA are the same as the global price
And Trump's friend, the Daudis and Russians, set those global prices.
All of our bulk products like corn soy or oil are sold at the world market price. Bulk gasoline dipping is 10cents a gal. Companies will dip it out easily if there is more profit to be made

Posted by: Paul at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (ISYSq)

208 198 They sell the wind farms as lasting 25 years, and neglect to mention the cost of annual maintenance or any real data suggesting the machines will last that long.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (O1z4v)

We'll make it up on volume!
-Commies, about everything

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (zZu0s)

209 I asked him "But what if you're wrong?"

*blink, blink*
___

He, along with so many others, will have eternity to regret their indifference.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (8P2/j)

210
Speaking with my neighbor this morning - died in the wool atheist. During the course of our conversation, we went on and on about dying and then that's it. "I'll be dead. So what?"

Couldn't even give the smallest consideration to the idea of Hell or eternal damnation.

I asked him "But what if you're wrong?"

*blink, blink*

Posted by: Tonypete

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Pray for him and keep trying. If he paused that's a good thing.

And figure out a nice way to tell him that right now you're the closest to Hell that you're ever going to get. If he seems receptive the same applies to him and Heaven.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (Oto6+)

211 This may be a dumb question but wouldn't wind power be kind of self-sustaining if you lined them all up in a row?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Yes!! As physically sound as an electric fan in a sailboat!

Posted by: The Paolo at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (WSTFK)

212 204 Great Government Thinking Of Our Time From Democrat Congressional Candidate Salem Snow Of Pennsylvania

Salem Snow
@Salem4Congress
Replying to @davevsgoliath1 and @ninaturner
You do understand that reparations would come from the government and not your wallet, right?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)

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I bet they think that corporations are responsible for inflation, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

213 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (0EOe9)

Now, I'm in Central Calif, which are the PERFECT conditions for solar... and have enough solar with battery for the house, so that my output going back to the grid was larger than what I took from the grid last year... BUT...

I still have to be on the grid for things like the 'surge' needed to get my air con to start... and because enough battery for overnight use of the air con? way too expensive.

So, yeah. Still need the grid.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (oHd/0)

214 The thing about the big Balls projects and ideas of the past (like ORION) were that they were practical solutions that would work to solve a problem NOW, with what you had, not with what you theorize you would have in 20 years (like fusion, for example.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Buy yourself some woodlands adjacent to a spring fed creek--most of them are quite capable of turning a waterwheel to run a generator. From recollection, that is actually one of the more efficient and reliable ways to produce electricity especially if a dam is employed to even out the water flow with a spillway to prevent overtopping.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (gQdmS)

215 This may be a dumb question but wouldn't wind power be kind of self-sustaining if you lined them all up in a row?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (KbCG3)
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No. Perpetual motion machines are impossible. The energy is consumed. The wind blowing through the first turbine has a lot of its energy sapped (the wind blowing out is less than the wind blowing in). On down the line.

Built a rudimentary wind tunnel and line fans up in a row. Blow air in one end. The fans at the end of the line will turn much more slowly - or not at all - as compared to those at the head of the line.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (kBSKe)

216 Hedy's on the tube atm

had forgotten how fucking beautiful she was

pure, no one looks like that anymore

infected with mongrelism

Posted by: REDACTED at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (us2H3)

217 If you put the beanies on a million monkeys could they power enough electric typewriters to crank out all of the works of Shakespeare while they are at it?
Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM

Possibly, but you're overlooking the incredible electric-powered poo-flinging possibilities.

Posted by: The Monkeys at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (FVJNG)

218 Paul is already drunk. Sad.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (wsGq+)

219 Motor Mounts could be my porn name.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)

220 210 I asked him "But what if you're wrong?"

*blink, blink*

Posted by: Tonypete

=========

I can never remember who coined this, but if there is a God, and you do not believe in him, you get punished. If there is no God, but you do believe in him, nothing bad happens.

(there are two other quadrants)

Which would you rather be a part of?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (LvTSG)

221 I remember reading about a University Professor in the Netherlands who did a study and reported that once renewables hit about 5% of the grid's power, you started producing more Carbon Dioxide because you had to have gas powered plants on idle to take up the slack when the renewables dropped off.

At the end of the article, the Professor was fighting to keep his job.

Posted by: JB1000 at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (lPzYT)

222 Michael Shellenberger is spot on lots (as with the whole wind debacle), but that's not causing the whale issue. For him to acknowledge the real cause of the beaching issue is a whole Pandora's box that opening would crater his career: Magnetic Pole movement. If you think I'm full crank/nutter, might be a good opportunity to go over to Ben at Suspicious Observers and bone up on what's happening to Earth right now. As a proper perspective on things, it explains *way* better migratory problems (animals getting lost), Orca attacks, other stupid behaviors way better than localized noise.

Posted by: SkinnerVic at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (CNemi)

223 Whales and energy. Talking to a relative, whaling was brought up. I told my crazy aunt that the whales probably saved the vision of millions by providing a clean burning light source. She was still on board with candles. Crazy old lady, should have been born twenty years later and roamed the country in a Microbus.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (0EOe9)

224 Put over parking lots so you can park in the shade. Now, where's my $45 mil?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Too late. They already did that here. Local university and Ameren joint venture.

https://is.gd/cGZnTI

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (ViCCR)

225 If one million people were to wear a beanie with a propeller all day, charging a battery, we would have produced enough energy to power 500,000 flashlights for a half hour.

********

There was an interesting proposal from some MIT woman to construct sidewalks in NYC that generated power from the foot traffic to create electricity,

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (MNhXM)

226 How many jane fondas does it take to fuel a nuclear reactor?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (O1z4v)

227 Speaking with my neighbor this morning - died in the wool atheist. During the course of our conversation, we went on and on about dying and then that's it. "I'll be dead. So what?"

Couldn't even give the smallest consideration to the idea of Hell or eternal damnation.

I asked him "But what if you're wrong?"

*blink, blink*
Posted by: Tonypete at August 21, 2023 11:42 AM (WSTFK)
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Even if you're not religious and don't believe in the afterlife, this is an inconceivable attitude. *You* might be dead, but your kids - or people generally - won't be. The future still exists regardless.

Unless you're a true solipsist who believes that when you die, so does the world.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (kBSKe)

228 184 176 TJM, that was a good reference and you're a good lad for making it.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (KbCG3)

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My brain is currently melting while trying to absorb the information in this training about our tax module offering.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

We already have a tax module. It is very nice!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

229 And figure out a nice way to tell him that right now you're the closest to Hell that you're ever going to get.
___

If he's saved, this is the closest to Hell he'll get.

If not, it's the closest to Heaven.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (8P2/j)

230 This may be a dumb question but wouldn't wind power be kind of self-sustaining if you lined them all up in a row?

There's data showing that there's less wind downstream of a wind farm because pushing the blades takes the energy out of the air.

Yes, wind farms *cause* actual real live climate change.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (2ocoG)

231 CO2 is shifting the magnetic poles!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (O1z4v)

232 When I had a cabin in the woods I had solar water heating. It was a length of black garden hose full of water on the roof. It worked! But it was hillbilly as heck.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 11:41 AM (MeG8a)

Was it the last cabin on the left? On Cloverfield Lane? Near Crystal Lake?

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (4I/2K)

233 Evil still needs to be opposed. God helps those who help themselves.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

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Absolutely. I sort of think that comes with the territory, though. If you don't it will be something you'll answer for.

See also: abortion

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (Oto6+)

234 I can never remember who coined this, but if there is a God, and you do not believe in him, you get punished. If there is no God, but you do believe in him, nothing bad happens.

(there are two other quadrants)

Which would you rather be a part of?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (LvTSG)

Is that part of Pascal's Wager?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (xcxpd)

235 I still have to be on the grid for things like the 'surge' needed to get my air con to start... and because enough battery for overnight use of the air con? way too expensive.

So, yeah. Still need the grid.
Posted by: Romeo13
---------
Hi Tech,
Ground loop HVAC systems reduce the power needs to about the amount to run the pump for the fluid.

Low Tech, adobe construction with nice thick walls and roof overhangs along with plenty of insulation up top make for a pretty low tech but cool solution to minimize electrical use for ac or heating if done correctly.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (gQdmS)

236 Posted by: SkinnerVic at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (CNemi)

I don’t disagree with that possibility. The poles are going to flip eventually.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

237 228 My brain is currently melting while trying to absorb the information in this training about our tax module offering.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

We already have a tax module. It is very nice!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

=======

Our company rolled out a browser based version rather than the Windows 95 version that's been running for a couple of decades. And I don't understand tax.

It's making me hate the government more, for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

238 No. Perpetual motion machines are impossible. The energy is consumed. The wind blowing through the first turbine has a lot of its energy sapped (the wind blowing out is less than the wind blowing in). On down the line.

Has any researched been performed on the micro-climate effects of removing wind energy from the atmosphere?

I would think reduced wind plus turbulence would have an effect on temps, humidity, pollination, etc.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (p8A+W)

239 The Daudis (lol) and Russians set global prices. Lol.

Paul you ignorant slut. Producers don’t set global prices. Buyers set prices. This is true in every industry. You know nothing about how anything works. You’re a rube who watches msnbc and thinks you’re smart.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (wsGq+)

240 We already have a tax module. It is very nice!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

He says they've already got one!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (O1z4v)

241 I have a leaf blower with a 2-cycle engine. Fairly new. I used it maybe a month ago and all was well. I used it again yesterday and it started up fine, idled fine, etc. (I had to open the choke, of course, after starting). It also works fine and runs up as expected as the throttle is opened up - but only to about 2/3. The moment I cross that threshold, it starts to stutter and then dies. I could run it at 2/3 no problem.

Do you have any recommendation for where I start looking on that? I know little about 2-cycle engines.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:44 AM (kBSKe)

I would guess that something is restricting the fuel supply at high RPM. Fuel filters can be clogged by gum from ethanol-added fuel. Or the flexi hose in side the tank from which the fuel filter dangles could be compromised. You can replace the filter and hoses quite cheap. I bought those and a carb kit from Amazon, and just did that very job on a wheeled Weedeater I got for ten bucks at a yard sale. Runs like a pup, now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (MWvg6)

242 234
Is that part of Pascal's Wager?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (xcxpd)

========

That's the one.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (LvTSG)

243 I used to walk by a gym and all these healthy young people would be on their exercise machines, really going at it. Rows and rows of them. I often wondered if that energy could be stored and used. Probably too expensive...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (MeG8a)

244 My brain is currently melting while trying to absorb the information in this training about our tax module offering.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

We already have a tax module. It is very nice!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

Can we see it?

Posted by: King Arthur at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (4I/2K)

245 There's data showing that there's less wind downstream of a wind farm because pushing the blades takes the energy out of the air.

Yes, wind farms *cause* actual real live climate change.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (2ocoG)

...

There has to be energy transfer somehow. It is neither created or destroyed, just converted from one form to another. In this case, straight line motion to circular motion to electrical generation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

246 I know! If we mount wind turbines on whales and train the whales to swim fast on the surface of the ocean, all will be well!

Posted by: The Paolo at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (WSTFK)

247 Posted by: SkinnerVic at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (CNemi)

Yup, magnetic pole is shifting... volcanos in the Ring of Fire in the Pacific are going nutz...

Atlantis... returing?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (oHd/0)

248 Buck (or others in the know), have you seen any discussions of wind turbine efficiencies relative to straight-line sustained (steady speed) winds versus swirling, intermittent, variable speed and direction winds.

I know with single home sized turbines they don't tend to do well in the mountains because of the high degree of variability in speed and direction, and that they are more prone to mechanical breakdown from the literall beating that they take. Does this apply to the giant turbines (I suspect it would)?

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (991eG)

249 BRICS expansion hopefuls seek to rebalance world order

https://tinyurl.com/55e8hmrt

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 21, 2023 11:52 AM (8P2/j)

250 > A year later and the 3,500-panel solar array at the Show Me Center has produced enough energy to power more than 130 homes, according to Ameren Missouri.
___________

So, it's total output for one year was enough to power "more than 130 homes."

But on any given day during that year how many homes could it supply power for? Zero? Less than 10? 130?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 21, 2023 11:52 AM (Q4IgG)

251 We already have a tax module. It is very nice!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

We need common sense tax module control!!

(Seriously!)

Posted by: Tonypete at August 21, 2023 11:52 AM (WSTFK)

252 211 This may be a dumb question but wouldn't wind power be kind of self-sustaining if you lined them all up in a row?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Yes!! As physically sound as an electric fan in a sailboat!
Posted by: The Paolo at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (WSTFK)

Where do I sign up?!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:52 AM (KbCG3)

253 Solar generated energy is even more problematic, storage is impossible to have power available for night time hours and overcast days.

So-called renewables are extraordinarily expensive yet so beloved of the rich men north of Richmond*.

* I am going to use that term for the elites from now on, it is poetically apt.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 11:52 AM (3JfbU)

254 Yeah, Ted. This is really important right now.

“The level of cooperation the Committee receives will bear significantly on my assessment of whether this is part of a broader problem across the Anheuser-Busch InBev product line and whether changes to federal law are necessary to prohibit Anheuser-Busch InBev from marketing beer to children,” the Republican senator wrote in a letter (pdf) to Anheuser-Busch InBev CEO Michael Doukeris last week, claiming that AB InBev hasn't sent over the documents three months after he asked the firm.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (O1z4v)

255 There has to be energy transfer somehow. It is neither created or destroyed, just converted from one form to another. In this case, straight line motion to circular motion to electrical generation.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (zZu0s)

Then moved to where that electricity is used in a city... where it produces a LOT of waste heat... thus creating the heat island effect...

So... yes Virginia, there is man made climate change...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (oHd/0)

256 There was an interesting proposal from some MIT woman to construct sidewalks in NYC that generated power from the foot traffic to create electricity,
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:48 AM (MNhXM)

So you would literally be able to walk to school, uphill both ways. Because if you take energy out of a system, it has to come from somewhere.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (MWvg6)

257 It's making me hate the government more, for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

You still had some left in the tank?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (KbCG3)

258 Hi Tech,
Ground loop HVAC systems reduce the power needs to about the amount to run the pump for the fluid.

Low Tech, adobe construction with nice thick walls and roof overhangs along with plenty of insulation up top make for a pretty low tech but cool solution to minimize electrical use for ac or heating if done correctly.

Roman tech:
Bury a 200 meter long air handling duct 10 meters below ground and run it to a building. Then on the top floor build a black painted chimney to use solar heat and convection to draw sub-surface cooled air into the building the hot hair exhausted up the chimney.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (p8A+W)

259 Salem Snow
@Salem4Congress
Replying to @davevsgoliath1 and @ninaturner
You do understand that reparations would come from the government and not your wallet, right?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM

Damn. The fool is a guy. I had a Salem's Thot joke all teed up.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (FVJNG)

260 So you would literally be able to walk to school, uphill both ways. Because if you take energy out of a system, it has to come from somewhere.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (MWvg6)

School lunches.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (/EuRN)

261 You can replace the filter and hoses quite cheap. I bought those and a carb kit from Amazon, and just did that very job on a wheeled Weedeater I got for ten bucks at a yard sale. Runs like a pup, now.

Mustie1 on YouTube collects non-working lawn equipment that's put out free / for the garbage, rebuilds the carb, and it runs like new. Some he keeps for himself, many he sells for a substantial profit. It's really easy to fix, but few know how anymore.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (2ocoG)

262 Yup, magnetic pole is shifting... volcanos in the Ring of Fire in the Pacific are going nutz...

Atlantis... returing?
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM (oHd/0)
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In the Pacific? That would be R'lyeh.

The stars must almost be right...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (YIVH2)

263 ... I still have to be on the grid for things like the 'surge' needed to get my air con to start... and because enough battery for overnight use of the air con? way too expensive. ...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 11:47 AM (oHd/0)
++++
Battery-wise, yes. But startup power for A/C can be managed in two ways. One is modern inverter systems which convert to DC and have *way* less inrush current required. Another is called a "soft start kit" and it costs a few hundred bucks. It sits between the line and the compressor and sort of acts as an electrical equivalent of an ABS system. As inrush builds, it cycles quickly on and off and contains the load demand. It adds a component that can break, but it helps improve longevity and restricts inrush to the point that big portable generator can even handle A/C loads comfortably. I am having one installed later this year when I get my generator (I'm getting a 10kw sustained model) and start the project to add a transfer switch and all that jazz.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (kBSKe)

264 Yes!! As physically sound as an electric fan in a sailboat!
Posted by: The Paolo at August 21, 2023 11:46 AM (WSTFK)

—-

Genius!
- AOC

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:55 AM (wsGq+)

265 Salem Snow
@Salem4Congress
·
Mar 29, 2020
15% of Bernie supporters prefer Trump over Biden.

What this really means is Bernie is winning over Trump voters. Which is how we win.

He’s getting bipartisan support AND the independent vote.

But please, keep telling me how this is a bad thing.

#UniteWithBernie

Posted by: 'Robert L. Peters', 'Robin Ware,' and 'JRB ware' at August 21, 2023 11:55 AM (RHGPo)

266 243 Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Maricopa County, AZ of tent city fame had a TV area in his compound. If an inmate wanted to watch the tube just hop on the bike and start pedaling.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 11:55 AM (0EOe9)

267 259 Salem Snow
@Salem4Congress
Replying to @davevsgoliath1 and @ninaturner
You do understand that reparations would come from the government and not your wallet, right?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM

Damn. The fool is a guy. I had a Salem's Thot joke all teed up.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (FVJNG)

I once argued with a lib co-worker that Planned Parenthood shouldn't receive federal tax dollars because it would go to fund abortions.

He said the federal money would be set aside and used for other things.

I literally had no reply.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:55 AM (KbCG3)

268 My brain is currently melting while trying to absorb the information in this training about our tax module offering.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

We already have a tax module. It is very nice!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

Can we see it?
Posted by: King Arthur at August 21, 2023 11:51 AM

Fetchez la vache!

Posted by: The French at August 21, 2023 11:55 AM (FVJNG)

269 The stars must almost be right...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 21, 2023 11:54 AM (YIVH2)

The moon is in the seventh house.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (ufFY8)

270 207
...
I'm a faggot.
...

...

...

Posted by: Paul at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (uFrU+)

271 There was an interesting proposal from some MIT woman to construct sidewalks in NYC that generated power from the foot traffic to create electricity,

Which increases calorie load on pedestrians which means they consume more food and breath out more CO2.

So we take an efficient mechanism, replace it with a highly expensive Rube Goldberg system (that hardly anyone would use) and this is progress?

I'm guessing there is more BTUs per dollar in petroleum products than there is in human food - even if the food is industrial insects.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (p8A+W)

272 Lotus 1-2-3 running on Windows95 powers 87% of the world's financial models.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (4I/2K)

273 Their businesses model is subsidy farming and fleecing taxpayers, not selling electricity. It’s working just fine for them.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 21, 2023 11:03 AM (JTwsP)

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I keep wondering whether there are certain arrangements between subsidy applicants and subsidy granters in government.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (3JfbU)

274 Roman tech:
Bury a 200 meter long air handling duct 10 meters below ground and run it to a building. Then on the top floor build a black painted chimney to use solar heat and convection to draw sub-surface cooled air into the building the hot hair exhausted up the chimney.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (p8A+W)

They were old stupid white guys, Reuben- we'd rather shiver in the dark or die in the heat than learn from them!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (zZu0s)

275 I don't know why the Internet's decided to weaponize that usage, but "motor" is perfectly cromulent for an ICE. Hence "motor mounts" and other similar usages.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:45 AM (2ocoG)

Yes. The penalty for misuse is enforced by thugs from outlaw enginecycle gangs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (MWvg6)

276 When I had a cabin in the woods

How big was your crawlspace?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (xTRSc)

277 Salem Snow
@Salem4Congress
·
Jul 12, 2020
Nancy Pelosi first ran for congress in 1987 against Harry Britt, an openly gay socialist & activist during the civil rights movement. She has single handedly undermined the working class ever since, working endlessly to protect the power of the wealthy.

#PelosiMustGo

Posted by: 'Robert L. Peters', 'Robin Ware,' and 'JRB ware' at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (RHGPo)

278 Paul just hit step 1?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM (zZu0s)

279 I would think reduced wind plus turbulence would have an effect on temps, humidity, pollination, etc.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

*******

I'll bet they can grow some giant-ass turnips! State fair winners.

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM (991eG)

280 Lotus 1-2-3 running on Windows95 powers 87% of the world's financial models.

Until recently that was Windows 3.1. I can tell big finance upgraded finally because Microsoft dropped 32-bit Windows (which is necessary to run Windows 3.1 16-bit applications).

Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM (2ocoG)

281 They say with wind farming, the harvest is a breeze.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 11:04 AM (hv9bm)

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The harvest is the good old greenbacks, electricity not so much.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM (3JfbU)

282 Running at Pelosi from the Left is impressive. It's like dumb-temperature superconductor.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (0FoWg)

283 On the other hand, they did not understand inflation either.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

284 I'll bet they can grow some giant-ass turnips!

Posted by: Muldoon

You called?
- Giant ass turnip Chris Christie NJ (Asshoe)

Posted by: Tonypete at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (WSTFK)

285 Bury a 200 meter long air handling duct 10 meters below ground and run it to a building

It helps to have hundreds of Christian slaves to dig the tunnel.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (O1z4v)

286 282 Running at Pelosi from the Left is impressive. It's like dumb-temperature superconductor.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (0FoWg)

In the land of the blind.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

287 Paul just hit step 1?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM

No. He doesn't think of it as a problem.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (FVJNG)

288 A year later and the 3,500-panel solar array at the Show Me Center has produced enough energy to power more than 130 homes, according to Ameren Missouri.

-

So a multimillion dollar 3500 acre solar farm was able to meet the electricity needs of 1/3 of one house per day.

Thanks for the data. It's incredibly difficult to find (for obvious reasons)

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (Oto6+)

289 I'm a faggot.
...
Posted by: Paul

That escalated rather quickly.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (G8h7g)

290 Mrs.DIG is watching The Summer I Turned Pretty, and is going gaga over one of the brothers.

She is yelling at the TV, "If you don't kiss him and fuck the shit out of that guy, you are a dumbass."

LOL, she's a keeper.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (ufFY8)

291 285 Bury a 200 meter long air handling duct 10 meters below ground and run it to a building

It helps to have hundreds of Christian slaves to dig the tunnel.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (O1z4v)

To be fair, they did not have to be Christian. The Romans were very diverse in that sense.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

292 Is Nance running again?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (O1z4v)

293 283 On the other hand, they did not understand inflation either

—-

Yeah we did.
Evil Corporations raised prices cuz they’re greedy.
-The Left

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (wsGq+)

294 Giant ring gear at the equator turning cogs, spinning turbines....yeah, that'll work.

Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 12:00 PM (AwYPR)

295 I'll bet they can grow some giant-ass turnips! State fair winners.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM

*perks up*

Posted by: S. Baldrick at August 21, 2023 12:00 PM (FVJNG)

296 Until recently that was Windows 3.1. I can tell big finance upgraded finally because Microsoft dropped 32-bit Windows (which is necessary to run Windows 3.1 16-bit applications).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023 11:57 AM (2ocoG)

Make WYSIWYG Great Again!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 12:00 PM (4I/2K)

297 "You can do useful things with solar for a single small house (I watch a guy on YouTube who's building an off-grid cabin in the middle of nowhere in Ohio and he has A/C), but it doesn't scale up."

AC is easy, but heat requires a lot more power and in winter sun is brief and cloudy days are frequent (in the Midwest)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:00 PM (Cus5s)

298 Those twats are from 2020. Pelosi is ancient history now. Nobody cares about her anymore.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (wsGq+)

299 271 Not a proposal, but put in very limited use was hooking up alternators to revolving doors in NYC to save the Planet. All that energy would pay for itself in a few centuries if there were no maintenance problems or Willi Cicci gumming up the works during a hit.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (0EOe9)

300 Let's face it, if an industry needs subsidies decades after first application then it will never make economic sense. Renewables are not for the long haul or even short haul.

If wind was any good the Dutch would have kept their windmills but being sensible people they upgraded to better technologies.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (3JfbU)

301 So you would literally be able to walk to school, uphill both ways. Because if you take energy out of a system, it has to come from somewhere.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:53 AM (MWvg6)

I don’t understand the snark unless you assumed the sidewalk was like a conveyor. It works on the weight of the walker depressing the side walk. The energy ‘transfer’ of course would come from human power ( weight of the walker depressing the sidewalk)

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (MNhXM)

302 285 Bury a 200 meter long air handling duct 10 meters below ground and run it to a building

It helps to have hundreds of Christian slaves to dig the tunnel.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (O1z4v)

To be fair, they did not have to be Christian. The Romans were very diverse in that sense.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

How very Equal Opportunity of them.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (4I/2K)

303 A year later and the 3,500-panel solar array at the Show Me Center has produced enough energy to power more than 130 homes, according to Ameren Missouri.

-

So a multimillion dollar 3500 acre solar farm was able to meet the electricity needs of 1/3 of one house per day.

Thanks for the data. It's incredibly difficult to find (for obvious reasons)
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Yay! Now do a small city of, say, 1 million homes.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (G8h7g)

304 Paul enjoys being a faggot.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (NlOOx)

305 16 million trees? That is mindboggling.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (lf83v)

306 Make WYSIWYG Great Again!
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 12:00 PM

I liked his character in A Christmas Carol.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (FVJNG)

307 288 A year later and the 3,500-panel solar array at the Show Me Center has produced enough energy to power more than 130 homes, according to Ameren Missouri.

-

So a multimillion dollar 3500 acre solar farm was able to meet the electricity needs of 1/3 of one house per day.

Thanks for the data. It's incredibly difficult to find (for obvious reasons)
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (Oto6+)

And is way less efficient than my current home array... which with 25 panels is producing enough energy for my 2100 sq foot house... which I use no extra land.... (although I do have to go up and clean the dang things about every 3 months).

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 12:02 PM (oHd/0)

308 would guess that something is restricting the fuel supply at high RPM. Fuel filters can be clogged by gum from ethanol-added fuel. Or the flexi hose in side the tank from which the fuel filter dangles could be compromised. You can replace the filter and hoses quite cheap. I bought those and a carb kit from Amazon, and just did that very job on a wheeled Weedeater I got for ten bucks at a yard sale. Runs like a pup, now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (MWvg6)
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Thanks. I used ethanol-free gas, but that ain't magic. I'll check the fuel system out and see if I can clean it up (once I find the manual to show me where the stuff is).

Thank you!!!!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 12:02 PM (kBSKe)

309 I get my generator (I'm getting a 10kw sustained model) and start the project to add a transfer switch and all that jazz.

I have a 5 ton variable speed and can keep a 3000sqft house cooled into the mid 70°s in 100° heat, run the aerobic septic system, key kitchen appliances, computers, lights and all the vampire consumers (clocks, night lights, etc.) all from a 9000w inverter generator.

You want an inverter generator for the same reasons you want a DC inverter A/C. The engine doesn't need to be constant RPM, thus saves fuel, less noise, greater run-time, etc.

The trick is to size the appliances to fit within the capabilities of the generator.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 12:02 PM (p8A+W)

310 It helps to have hundreds of Christian slaves to dig the tunnel.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (O1z4v)

To be fair, they did not have to be Christian. The Romans were very diverse in that sense.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Oy vey!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:02 PM (G8h7g)

311 AC is easy, but heat requires a lot more power and in winter sun is brief and cloudy days are frequent (in the Midwest)

Posted by: illiniwek

--

There is no way you're cooling even a little singlewide trailer in July in the South on pretend power sources.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:03 PM (Oto6+)

312 Heh, there's a website (remove spaces) called, and with URL:

has joe biden cured cancer.com

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 21, 2023 12:03 PM (XdIKT)

313 She is yelling at the TV, "If you don't kiss him and fuck the shit out of that guy, you are a dumbass."

LOL, she's a keeper.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Heh. On the same level of my R. hollering in a (suddenly) quiet bar "This p*ssy isn't going to lick itself!!"

Entire bar froze in mid-drink.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 21, 2023 12:03 PM (WSTFK)

314 We seem to be going backwards with power-generating technology. Next thing you know we will be asked to revert to using sundials for telling time.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 12:03 PM (3JfbU)

315 There are trillions of trees in the world. 16m is nothing.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 12:03 PM (wsGq+)

316 It helps to have hundreds of Christian slaves to dig the tunnel.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 11:58 AM (O1z4v)

To be fair, they did not have to be Christian. The Romans were very diverse in that sense.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

How very Equal Opportunity of them.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (4I/2K)

Yes, Romans were progressives! They were equal opportunity Slavers! Unlike those Egyptians!

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 12:03 PM (oHd/0)

317 Thanks. I used ethanol-free gas, but that ain't magic. I'll check the fuel system out and see if I can clean it up (once I find the manual to show me where the stuff is).

Ethanol Free fuel is paramount. Also, if you aren't draining the tanks and lines between runs, at least fire up the generator once a month or so.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 12:04 PM (p8A+W)

318 ... You want an inverter generator for the same reasons you want a DC inverter A/C. The engine doesn't need to be constant RPM, thus saves fuel, less noise, greater run-time, etc. ...
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 12:02 PM (p8A+W)
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Yup. I'm balking at cost. Inverter systems cost 3x more than old-fashioned systems (at the ~9-10kw size I need), and I don't need it daily.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 21, 2023 12:04 PM (kBSKe)

319 257
'It's making me hate the government more, for some reason.

Posted by...

You still had some left in the tank?'

Here's your Perpetual Motion machine: Leftist generated government hate. It replenishes daily for me.

Posted by: Paul at August 21, 2023 12:05 PM (uFrU+)

320 Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (p8A+W)

I guess we should ban gyms.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:05 PM (MNhXM)

321 I don’t disagree with that possibility. The poles are going to flip eventually.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

We're due - it's every 12K years. Lots of interesting vectors all pointing to the design of BOTH fulfilling on a spiritual level (think Revelation) and timelines for geological cycles.

Posted by: SkinnerVic at August 21, 2023 12:05 PM (CNemi)

322 Gyms are a bastion of white supremacy after all.

Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 12:05 PM (wsGq+)

323 A year later and the 3,500-panel solar array at the Show Me Center has produced enough energy to power more than 130 homes, according to Ameren Missouri.

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So a multimillion dollar 3500 acre solar farm was able to meet the electricity needs of 1/3 of one house per day.

Thanks for the data. It's incredibly difficult to find (for obvious reasons)
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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No, it's a 3,500 panel array. Looking at the pic it's probably one acre.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 21, 2023 12:06 PM (ViCCR)

324 "What are dual use photovoltaics, you ask?

A children’s brainstorming for thinking of things to put solar panels on."

So, basically solar trees that provide shade in a big box store parking lot.

Which is one of the best places they could actually put the things.

This does not require brainstorming.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 21, 2023 12:06 PM (ou9hh)

325 320 Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 11:56 AM (p8A+W)

I guess we should ban gyms.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:05 PM (MNhXM)

"Stop stealing my campaign pledges!" - Christie

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 21, 2023 12:06 PM (KbCG3)

326 Common sense gym control.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:07 PM (ufFY8)

327 Gyms are a bastion of white supremacy after all.
Posted by: Montec at August 21, 2023 12:05 PM (wsGq+)

Not all Jims!

Posted by: Big Jim Slade at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (hv9bm)

328 No, it's a 3,500 panel array. Looking at the pic it's probably one acre.
-

Thanks. I see the eyesores everywhere and wouldn't assume they'd even bother crowing about a 1 acre array.

I can't decide if that makes it funnier or not.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (Oto6+)

329 Gas engine, sorry. Dangit. Now there will be a dozen posts pointing out the error.

I don't know why the Internet's decided to weaponize that usage, but "motor" is perfectly cromulent for an ICE. Hence "motor mounts" and other similar usages.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2023

***
In the early days of automobiles, the British called it "motoring." So did we -- I seem to recall a 1960s Esso ad slogan, "Happy Motoring!" Nowadays we tend to use "engine" for something big like the engines in a ship, and either "engine" or "motor" for that in a car. You wouldn't refer to the battleship's "motors."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (J2vNu)

330 Roman tech:
Bury a 200 meter long air handling duct 10 meters below ground and run it to a building. Then on the top floor build a black painted chimney to use solar heat and convection to draw sub-surface cooled air into the building the hot hair exhausted up the chimney.
Posted by: Reuben Hick
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Nice but a bit expensive nowadays. Ground loop systems have come down quite a bit and you really only need to get down below the frost line in most locales for a constant year around temp.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (gQdmS)

331 I don’t understand the snark unless you assumed the sidewalk was like a conveyor. It works on the weight of the walker depressing the side walk. The energy ‘transfer’ of course would come from human power ( weight of the walker depressing the sidewalk)
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (MNhXM)

So it becomes like walking in mud. You weighted foot sinks down, and you have to step higher with your unweighted foot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (MWvg6)

332 I hate gyms. Sweaty, noisy, and unhygienic.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (xTRSc)

333 But we would be interested in Larry Hogan?

LARRY HOGAN: Well, look, I think we're at a point that we have never been in this country, where two-thirds of the people are not interested in voting for the Republican or Democratic nominee, the likely nominees.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (O1z4v)

334 Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 21, 2023 12:06 PM (ou9hh)

Just have to make sure there are no major Hail storms.

I had multiple hail storms when I lived in Denver that would have destroyed any solar panels on my roof.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (oHd/0)

335 Common sense gym control.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:07 PM (ufFY

"gym safety"...try to keep up.

Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (AwYPR)

336 Paul enjoys being a faggot.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (NlOOx)

The apostle Paul. The best deciplle of Christ. Bar none.

Posted by: jmt at August 21, 2023 12:09 PM (NxX5S)

337 He's dead, gym.

Posted by: Homophone McCoy at August 21, 2023 12:09 PM (ufFY8)

338 No, it's a 3,500 panel array. Looking at the pic it's probably one acre.

One hailstorm away from obsolescence.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:09 PM (G8h7g)

339 Which is one of the best places they could actually put the things.

This does not require brainstorming.
Posted by: FeatherBlade

True. Heinlein in his Roads Must Roll story had solar cells powering his people mover conveyor systems and the solar cells were mounted about the conveyor 'roads'.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:09 PM (gQdmS)

340 I live in an apartment but I do have an alternate energy source, my car. I can charge up all the usual stuff. Recently friends gifted me one of those midget swamp coolers. Works OK and would keep me comfortable through a night on a charge off the USB. I have one of those water heaters that power up through the thing that used to be the cigarette lighter so I can have coffee. If it came down to cold weather, there's an invention called the blanket.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 12:10 PM (0EOe9)

341 Common sense gym control.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:07 PM (ufFY

"gym safety"...try to keep up.
Posted by: BignJames

Always keep your finger out of the gym rat...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:10 PM (G8h7g)

342 Paul enjoys being a faggot.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 21, 2023 12:01 PM (NlOOx)

1. Guzzle penis beneath an overpass.
2. ?????
3. Profit!!

Posted by: Godless Commie Business Plan at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (ufFY8)

343 "Talking to a relative, whaling was brought up. I told my crazy aunt that the whales probably saved the vision of millions by providing a clean burning light source. She was still on board with candles. "

Did you then tell her that the petroleum industry save the whales by finding a non-animal source of clean burning light?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (ou9hh)

344 LARRY HOGAN: Well, look, I think we're at a point that we have never been in this country, where two-thirds of the people are not interested in voting for the Republican or Democratic nominee, the likely nominees.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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He is correct but not in the way he thinks. 2/3rds of the people despise all political parties including a putative no labels crap party. Jesse Ventura is a perfect example of such politics.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (gQdmS)

345 332

'I hate gyms. Sweaty, noisy, and unhygienic.'

You could wear a mask.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (uFrU+)

346 So it becomes like walking in mud. You weighted foot sinks down, and you have to step higher with your unweighted foot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (MWvg6)

No .

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (MNhXM)

347 If elected "I will make nuclear energy safe for America."
-Jimmy Carter

Posted by: Braenyard at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (lCWOD)

348 It can be lunch

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (g9UCQ)

349 He's dead, gym.
Posted by: Homophone McCoy at August 21, 2023 12:09 PM (ufFY

Peanut allergy?

Posted by: Sunny Jim at August 21, 2023 12:12 PM (hv9bm)

350 He dropped an engineered psychic fake intergalactic alien squid on NYC, you heretic.
Posted by: The movie version of his plan made zero sense. at August 21, 2023 11:20 AM (fhX0j)

willing suspension of disbelief allows super heroes, Nixon's third term but . . . You would think people would start asking questions about something like that.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 21, 2023 12:12 PM (xhaym)

351 I think Joe Manchin would be a bigger draw on No Labels than Hogan.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 21, 2023 12:12 PM (O1z4v)

352 I've been involved in alternative energy since the 70's. When it first started getting legs I thought wind energy electrical generation was right up there with the centralized solar thermal farms with all the mirrors as a bad idea.

These things suck. The engineering sucks, the financing sucks, the efficiency sucks...they have literally nothing going for them.

Hopefully, 50 years from now people will be able to laugh about it.

Posted by: pawn at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (wsHtO)

353 Nice but a bit expensive nowadays. Ground loop systems have come down quite a bit and you really only need to get down below the frost line in most locales for a constant year around temp.

I've seen shorter and shallower installations work. YMMV
Its year round comfort.

Now lets talk about T Henry Moray's energy machine!
The short version is that it uses the electromagnetic wave (approx 7.5 Hz) that encircles the globe (and is the basis for the ELF communication system)

Building an antennae that captures a harmonic of that frequency, run it through enough transformers and such (using Radio Shack technology) and you too can have 50kw of power!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (p8A+W)

354 No .
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (MNhXM)

TANSTAAFL.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (MWvg6)

355 True. Heinlein in his Roads Must Roll story had solar cells powering his people mover conveyor systems and the solar cells were mounted about the conveyor 'roads'.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023

***
That was written in 1939 or 1940. It was fairly reasonable for an SF writer to assume our society would eventually develop such technology, and that it would work. RAH never foresaw the climate nuts -- at least, not to the extent they exist today.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (J2vNu)

356 Ray Hildebrand, the "Paul" of "Paul and Paula", dies at 82

Posted by: 'Robert L. Peters', 'Robin Ware,' and 'JRB ware' at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (RHGPo)

357 They will be gradually and stealthily dismantled, with nobody taking credit or blame for their initial construction. They'll be like ancient Egyptian monuments: silent, still, and pointless.

Ozymandias would understand.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

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Or like the Easter Island heads.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (3JfbU)

358 340 I live in an apartment but I do have an alternate energy source, my car. I can charge up all the usual stuff. Recently friends gifted me one of those midget swamp coolers. Works OK and would keep me comfortable through a night on a charge off the USB. I have one of those water heaters that power up through the thing that used to be the cigarette lighter so I can have coffee. If it came down to cold weather, there's an invention called the blanket.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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Easier to sweat than freeze. Arkansas gets both types of weather--blazingly hot and humid and then cold as a well digger's ass during the same week.

Don't miss the weather in Arkansas.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (gQdmS)

359 One of worst jobs I had was demolition of a steam room benches after building the new ones in another room

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (g9UCQ)

360 You could wear a mask.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (uFrU+)
***

I see the Dems are cranking up the 'ol scare machine again. Masks and boosters.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (hv9bm)

361 Not all Jims!
Posted by: Big Jim Slade at August 21, 2023 12:08 PM (hv9bm)

Just give me some of that green poon tang from Orion.

Posted by: Jim T. Kirk at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (ufFY8)

362 These things suck. The engineering sucks, the financing sucks, the efficiency sucks...they have literally nothing going for them.

Hopefully, 50 years from now people will be able to laugh about it.
Posted by: pawn

When years are measured in minutes.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (G8h7g)

363 We can give you all the cheap, reliable nuclear electricity you want.

Posted by: Fifty year old white guys at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (NBVIP)

364 343 Oh, we didn't get that far, she looking at the gun cabinet and formulating an argument. Ex and I took her to dinner to shut her up.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (0EOe9)

365 The flaw in your logic is the idea these are meant to prevent "climate change" and produce energy. When the only purpose for them is to launder tax money, through specialized projects who's only installers are either connected to government officials or give kickbacks to them. They made sure to really build in the grift long term too, by making sure the items go obsolete within years (or break) so they can argue that since they already spent $400 billion putting them up, then spending $275 billion to replace them is peanuts.

Im guessing the next grift is the recycling/ disposal which will again be limited to a few connected companies, who are paid through the trillion dollar government grant made just for safe disposal (the kicker is it won't be safe, but they know we won't find out for 50 years)

Posted by: Rbastid at August 21, 2023 12:15 PM (0pYyT)

366 Wind turbines should remain in place as rusting eyesores of yet another leftist wet dream that never materialized into anything more than a stain on the landscape.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 21, 2023 12:15 PM (Q4IgG)

367 That was written in 1939 or 1940. It was fairly reasonable for an SF writer to assume our society would eventually develop such technology, and that it would work. RAH never foresaw the climate nuts -- at least, not to the extent they exist today.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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I think the photo electric effect was theorized by Einstein somewhere about 1905 or such. I think the first solar cell was developed by Bell Labs but I could be mistaken.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:15 PM (gQdmS)

368 "We can give you all the cheap, reliable nuclear electricity you want."

Too cheap to meter!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 12:15 PM (MeG8a)

369 Easier to sweat than freeze. Arkansas gets both types of weather--blazingly hot and humid and then cold as a well digger's ass during the same week.

Don't miss the weather in Arkansas.
Posted by: whig

Welcome to Texas. All 4 seasons in one day.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:16 PM (G8h7g)

370 357 Or like the Easter Island heads.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (3JfbU)

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So, the Easter Island heads were a big government solar power project that morphed into celebratory monuments to the men who signed the bill?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

371 351 'I think Joe Manchin would be a bigger draw on No Labels than Hogan.'

No Labels is the voting equivalent of self immolation with your ballot playing the part of the Buddhist monk.
It's done for attention, to show how much holier you are than everyone else.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 21, 2023 12:16 PM (uFrU+)

372 I see the Dems are cranking up the 'ol scare machine again. Masks and boosters.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (hv9bm)

Local news talking generally about vaccines just now. So, yeah. Starting subtly.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:16 PM (ufFY8)

373 "There is no way you're cooling even a little singlewide trailer in July in the South on pretend power sources."
Posted by: Moron Robbie

No really, my 24 panels can put out 9000 watts peak, but my inverter only does 6500W ... An AC/heat mini-split works pretty well, on a well insulated house. There are people in Arizona doing it. And heat is easier in the south ... It is cloudy here today and I'm pumping out 2300 watts AC.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

374 372 I see the Dems are cranking up the 'ol scare machine again. Masks and boosters.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:14 PM (hv9bm)

Local news talking generally about vaccines just now. So, yeah. Starting subtly.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:16 PM (ufFY

========

The only safe way is to wrap your head in cellophane.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

375 Hmmm, the ewok is quiet.

Too quiet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (zZu0s)

376 IIRC, Dad and I were discussing what to do with peak energy produced from solar or wind. He mentioned a system of reservoirs and a hydroelectric plant. During peak, you'd pump the water into the higher reservoir in order to 'store' the energy and then during periods of lower output, you could empty the reservoir through the hydroelectric plant in order to generate the extra capacity.
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We have had this in place here for decades. 'Pumped Storage'. I recently had a greenie breathlessly tell me about how California was implementing 'water batteries'. I pointed out to the guy that he had been using such here for a very long time...well, at least since he moved here from Michigan.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (sewR1)

377 Greg Abbot -- Doofus Extraordinaire

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 21, 2023 12:18 PM (GD2xa)

378 Welcome to Texas. All 4 seasons in one day.
Posted by: rickb223

Yes, I was stationed there for Uncle Sam for awhile in the summer. Louisiana is no peach in August either.

Give me dry heat or a moderate overall climate.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:18 PM (gQdmS)

379 The only safe way is to wrap your head in cellophane.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

I can think of a few dems that this would work nicely for...

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (hv9bm)

380 So, the Easter Island heads were a big government solar power project that morphed into celebratory monuments to the men who signed the bill?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

If you dig, deep, deep down under those giant stone heads, you will find a tiny stone penis. Which explains why they went extinct.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (MWvg6)

381 No .
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (MNhXM)

TANSTAAFL.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:13 PM (MWvg6)

It’s not a high power generation system. It’s using a piezoelectric system.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (MNhXM)

382 Yes, I was stationed there for Uncle Sam for awhile in the summer. Louisiana is no peach in August either.

Give me dry heat or a moderate overall climate.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:18 PM (gQdmS)

Give me 90 in California's central valley than 85 in Louisiana in August. Any day.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (zZu0s)

383 All cashiers at grocery store yesterday had masks on again

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (g9UCQ)

384 We have had this in place here for decades. 'Pumped Storage'. I recently had a greenie breathlessly tell me about how California was implementing 'water batteries'. I pointed out to the guy that he had been using such here for a very long time...well, at least since he moved here from Michigan. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (sewR1)

Pumped storage is by far the most widely used form of electricity storage, and it's been so for decades.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (7B5FA)

385 Wind turbines should remain in place as rusting eyesores of yet another leftist wet dream that never materialized into anything more than a stain on the landscape.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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Fiberglass and/or carbon fiber, mostly, I think. Hmm, for some reason OceanGate just came to mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (sewR1)

386 "Talking to a relative, whaling was brought up. I told my crazy aunt that the whales probably saved the vision of millions by providing a clean burning light source. She was still on board with candles. "

Did you then tell her that the petroleum industry save the whales by finding a non-animal source of clean burning light?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (ou9hh)

Actually Tupentine/alcohol "camphene" burning fluid helped bridge the gap between the initial whaling overfishing after the war of 1812 and the development of petroleum wells and Kerosene.
This of course drove deforestation of the white pines in the Southeast, but also gave impetus to increased farming in the area.

(This has been your moment of uber pedantry)

Posted by: Kindltot at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (xhaym)

387 375 Hmmm, the ewok is quiet.

Too quiet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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In the village, the quiet village,
The Ewok sleeps tonight
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
The Ewok sleeps tonight

Wimoweh, wimoweh
yadda yadda

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (gQdmS)

388 Hmmm, the ewok is quiet.

Too quiet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (zZu0s)

In the distance a dog barked...

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (hv9bm)

389 Too cheap to meter!

As a thought experiment, could you imagine the trillions in dollars saved by going pure base-load nuclear with nat gas peakers?

No worries about making everything hyper efficient
No hundreds of billions in wind and solar
Industry would never leave since energy would be so cheap
EVs might make more sense for some
A/C, heating to any temperature you want

Human flourishing abounds!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (p8A+W)

390 He is correct but not in the way he thinks. 2/3rds of the people despise all political parties including a putative no labels crap party. Jesse Ventura is a perfect example of such politics.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (gQdmS)

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And of that remaining 1/3rd, I'm guessing now 2/3rds of them continue going through the the motions of voting assuming that it doesn't really matter anyway.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (XdIKT)

391 It is cloudy here today and I'm pumping out 2300 watts AC.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

That's about a half ton...might cool a large closet.

Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (AwYPR)

392 378 Of course I'm a Jarhead. Summer of 1969, Parris Island. They raise the black flag which meant the Drill Instructors could only PT the dog shit out of us in the squad bay. Don't want inquisitive eyes seeing somebody succumb to heat stroke.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (0EOe9)

393 Ha, 'heat index' will be up around 100 on Thursday here in West Michigan, so the doofus weather guy is hyping it up.

Kristen Aguirre still has a big rack, so that is nice. Needs to cut back on the donuts a little though.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (ufFY8)

394 It’s not a high power generation system. It’s using a piezoelectric system.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (MNhXM)

It still can't not add effort to walking, even if the pavement only deflect millimeters.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (MWvg6)

395 390 He is correct but not in the way he thinks. 2/3rds of the people despise all political parties including a putative no labels crap party. Jesse Ventura is a perfect example of such politics.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:11 PM (gQdmS)

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The political class has just outright failed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

396 And of that remaining 1/3rd, I'm guessing now 2/3rds of them continue going through the the motions of voting assuming that it doesn't really matter anyway.
Posted by: ShainS
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Clients of the major parties--whale donors and Chamber of Commerce on the Right and the welfare class on the left.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:22 PM (gQdmS)

397 This of course drove deforestation of the white pines in the Southeast, but also gave impetus to increased farming in the area.
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I have one available for pick-up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (yMEwp)

398 Wind turbines should remain in place as rusting eyesores of yet another leftist wet dream that never materialized into anything more than a stain on the landscape.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Leave one up, take the rest down.
On the drive from western Washington to eastern Washington, you get across the mountains and there are hundreds of the damned things. Mile after mile of beautiful high desert terrain and nasty wind turbines just standing there.
It is a blight.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (hv9bm)

399 *starts rummaging around for the Ewok Lamp switch*

TJM, do you have to leave these movie posters everywhere?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (zZu0s)

400 It is cloudy here today and I'm pumping out 2300 watts AC.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

That's about a half ton...might cool a large closet.
Posted by: BignJames

Figure in a refrigerator freezer and a separate chest freezer.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (G8h7g)

401 Remediation? Deconstruction? Dismantlement?
Shirley, you jest. These things will never be held to the standards of Oil & Gas decommissioning projects.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (K58O6)

402 As a boy I grew up in VA and we would visit the nuclear plant over at Surrey County. We would press our faces against the glass and watch them lower the control rods. Too cheap to meter was their slogan.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 21, 2023 12:24 PM (MeG8a)

403 One question on this that I have not seen asked:

Since this is obviously not a mature, proven technology - why are we mass producing and implementing what are basically prototypes?

Posted by: Parker at August 21, 2023 12:24 PM (hJWil)

404 It still can't not add effort to walking, even if the pavement only deflect millimeters.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Wait...you mean there's no free lunch? Energy cannot be created or destroyed? Shocking.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:24 PM (yMEwp)

405 Just think what the world could have done with the trillions that have been wasted on the renewables so far. Lower taxes on workers would have done wonders for a lot of people. Instead we have the rich men north of Richmond scooping up all the bucks.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (3JfbU)

406 On the drive from western Washington to eastern Washington, you get across the mountains and there are hundreds of the damned things. Mile after mile of beautiful high desert terrain and nasty wind turbines just standing there.
It is a blight.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (hv9bm)

Give me the contract to scrap them. I'll hire prisoners at a a dollar a day to cut the blades into 4" tiles with Skilsaws, and ship the tiles for fuel feed for coal-fired generating plants.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (MWvg6)

407 The political class has just outright failed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I think the political and social elites' definition of failure is somewhat different than the populace at large. They actually believe that they are succeeding at making the world new again and are impervious to any course correction due to reality.

Mel Gibson's Apocalypto may be in our future.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (gQdmS)

408
In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (xG4kz)

409 399 *starts rummaging around for the Ewok Lamp switch*

TJM, do you have to leave these movie posters everywhere?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 21, 2023 12:23 PM (zZu0s)

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Listen, you get ready to move without getting movie posters everywhere.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

410 About 20 years ago I was of the opinion that every wind project that was ever going to be built was already in the permitting queue. The primary reason was transmission constraints -- where the wind blows and where the demand for power is are far apart, and there needs to be transmission between the two places. The grid was not built to accommodate wind farms on the Great Plains and a massive amount of transmission would be necessary to expend it much.

I was wrong in one respect: the technology improved. Turbines got a lot bigger and more efficient, and subsidy chasing ("rent seeking" to economists) turned out to be a pretty powerful driver of capital expenditures. A more subtle driver was that utilities get a return on investment on capital expenditures, but not on operating costs (fuel expenditures), so they always have a bias for spending capital. PUC's are supposed to look out for the consumer, but in a lot of places they were captured by "climate change" enthusiasts and approved uneconomic utility capital projects.

But the main point is that all the good locations were taken 20 years ago, and every incremental wind project is incrementally less attractive than the last one

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (7B5FA)

411 Pumped storage is by far the most widely used form of electricity storage, and it's been so for decades.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (7B5FA)

There is a system like that in Pentwater, (ha!), MI. Pumps water up into a reservoir at night, let's it out during peak.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (ufFY8)

412 It’s not a high power generation system. It’s using a piezoelectric system.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:19 PM (MNhXM)

It still can't not add effort to walking, even if the pavement only deflect millimeters.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:21 PM (MWvg6)

Everyone knows that. I’m not disputing that. The energy loss from a person is unnoticeable. It works based on the high foot traffic.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (MNhXM)

413 "There is no way you're cooling even a little singlewide trailer in July in the South on pretend power sources."
Posted by: Moron Robbie

No really, my 24 panels can put out 9000 watts peak, but my inverter only does 6500W ... An AC/heat mini-split works pretty well, on a well insulated house. There are people in Arizona doing it. And heat is easier in the south ... It is cloudy here today and I'm pumping out 2300 watts AC.

Posted by: illiniwek

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I'd have to actually see someone running an AC (and washer, dryer, dishwasher, etc.) exclusively on solar and keeping their home at 70 degrees for 12-14 hours on a 100+ degree 100% humidity July day before I'd believe that.

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's more money than sense.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (Oto6+)

414 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (G8h7g)

415 Not to mention charging an EV.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (Oto6+)

416 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM

And then the murders started.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (FVJNG)

417 405 Just think what the world could have done with the trillions that have been wasted on the renewables so far. Lower taxes on workers would have done wonders for a lot of people. Instead we have the rich men north of Richmond scooping up all the bucks.
Posted by: President Select Decaf
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Now add in the costs of the Great Society, useless wars, and foreign aid since WWII. Life expectancy in the Biden regime is actually going down.

Same thing happened before the Soviet Union crumbled.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (gQdmS)

418 Listen, you get ready to move without getting movie posters everywhere.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

So the move is on, then? When is the happy(?) day?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (xcxpd)

419 n the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223 at

and a big yellow taxi took my girl away.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (CIS44)

420 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223
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The sea was restless...oh, wait...that was last thread.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:28 PM (48u4S)

421 414 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (G8h7g)

Suddenly, a shot rang out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:28 PM (xcxpd)

422 It still can't not add effort to walking, even if the pavement only deflect millimeters.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Wait...you mean there's no free lunch? Energy cannot be created or destroyed? Shocking.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:24 PM (yMEwp)

No one has said that.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:28 PM (MNhXM)

423 Just think what the world could have done with the trillions that have been wasted on the renewables so far. Lower taxes on workers would have done wonders for a lot of people. Instead we have the rich men north of Richmond scooping up all the bucks. Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (3JfbU)

Bastiat made the same point in about 1850. "That Which is Seen and That Which is Not Seen" should be mandatory reading in high school. So many of our policymakers are ignorant of the basic truth of opportunity cost.

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:28 PM (7B5FA)

424 and a big yellow taxi took my girl away.
Posted by: BruceWayne
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They paved paradise, put up a solar field.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (48u4S)

425 The sea was restless...oh, wait...that was last thread.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

*snort

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (G8h7g)

426 "It is cloudy here today and I'm pumping out 2300 watts AC. Posted by: illiniwek
That's about a half ton...might cool a large closet." Posted by: BignJames

Well, just a brief google says:
"In short, an 18 SEER 3-ton mini split air conditioner or central air has a maximum wattage of 3,450W and average wattage of 2,000W."

and I'm not using all my solar power.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (Cus5s)

427 418 Listen, you get ready to move without getting movie posters everywhere.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

So the move is on, then? When is the happy(?) day?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (xcxpd)

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Ugh...not yet. She still doesn't have the offer letter, but she's received assurances (from three different decision makers) that the delay is bureaucratic in nature.

But the delay is screwing with her head. We have to get the house to the point where we could show it on short notice...if she gets the job and accepts it. We're in active conversation with two different real estate agents (one here, and one there), and she keeps saying, every six hours or so, "I don't want to do this at all."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

428 I’m rolling watching Fox s Outnumbered. They are pimping this debate and talking about how everyone will be watching and it’s the “Event of the summer “

Posted by: Jen the original at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (YAAnj)

429 414 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (G8h7g)

Suddenly, a shot rang out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:28 PM (xcxpd)

And then the murders started.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:30 PM (ufFY8)

430 428 I’m rolling watching Fox s Outnumbered. They are pimping this debate and talking about how everyone will be watching and it’s the “Event of the summer “
Posted by: Jen the original at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (YAAnj)

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Spoiler: less than 3 million people will watch it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

431 I’m rolling watching Fox s Outnumbered. They are pimping this debate and talking about how everyone will be watching and it’s the “Event of the summer “
Posted by: Jen the original at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (YAAnj)

What debate? (a serious question)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (MWvg6)

432 429 414 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (G8h7g)

Suddenly, a shot rang out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:28 PM (xcxpd)

And then the murders started.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:30 PM

*cough*

416

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (FVJNG)

433 Apparently Poland did not learn the lessons everyone else did from the Ramstein air show disaster.

Don't do dangerous maneuvers over crowds. Clear air lanes before doing air show demonstrations.

https://is.gd/qfZnPH

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (0N1h0)

434 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (G8h7g)

Suddenly, a shot rang out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

And the dog barked no more....

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (G8h7g)

435 Ugh...not yet. She still doesn't have the offer letter, but she's received assurances (from three different decision makers) that the delay is bureaucratic in nature.

But the delay is screwing with her head. We have to get the house to the point where we could show it on short notice...if she gets the job and accepts it. We're in active conversation with two different real estate agents (one here, and one there), and she keeps saying, every six hours or so, "I don't want to do this at all."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

Uff da...

Might be a good idea to take her out to dinner and have a long talk about what she really wants. Moving is a big change.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

436 In the distance a dog barked...
Posted by: Diogenes

Heat lightning flickered from cloud to cloud in the west...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:

In the distance a screen door slammed.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:26 PM (G8h7g)

Suddenly, a shot rang out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

The dog did not bark.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (48u4S)

437 414 A dark and stormy night, and here I sit relying on solar or the windmill that just took a lightning strike. Sure am glad I got the old Truetone transistor radio Mom and Dad bought for me at Western Auto.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (0EOe9)

438 Suddenly, a shot rang out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

And the dog barked no more....
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM

Cruelty Level: ATF

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (FVJNG)

439 But the main point is that all the good locations were taken 20 years ago, and every incremental wind project is incrementally less attractive than the last one

Unless they swap out the windmills with the latest tech, its also true that the best locations have the most outdated and inefficient wind mills.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (p8A+W)

440 THE BOSS IS UPSTAIRS WITH A NOOD

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2023 12:32 PM (g9UCQ)

441 Same thing happened before the Soviet Union crumbled.
Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:27 PM (gQdmS)

I think the two drivers behind the proposed "Eris Health Emergency" is to give Pfizer et al cover, and to try to stifle the economy to hide the inflation.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 21, 2023 12:32 PM (xhaym)

442 Apparently Poland did not learn the lessons everyone else did from the Ramstein air show disaster.

Fuck Hitler?
Oh, sorry. Wrong airshow.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2023 12:32 PM (G8h7g)

443 Dammit. rickb is fast on the keys today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 21, 2023 12:32 PM (48u4S)

444 What debate? (a serious question)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (MWvg6)

Ha! My question, too.

And, missed the murders started comment, dammit.

You bastards are fast, plus Horde Mind.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 21, 2023 12:33 PM (ufFY8)

445 If wind was a reliable source of energy, the Dust Bowl never would have happened-- every farmer would have put up windmills to pump water

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 21, 2023 12:33 PM (oKmLc)

446 This of course drove deforestation of the white pines in the Southeast, but also gave impetus to increased farming in the area. (This has been your moment of uber pedantry) Posted by: Kindltot at August 21, 2023 12:20 PM (xhaym)

When I was at Fort Bragg in my misspent youth, there were contractors who paid to harvest the pine needles in the forest to make turpentine. I could not see how that made any economic sense, but they had done it forever.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:33 PM (7B5FA)

447 Rhode Island will import the energy it needs from someone else's windmills. It's rich. They don't mind playing $5000 month electric bills. Bidenomics.

Posted by: torabora at August 21, 2023 12:33 PM (OUiUM)

448 average wattage of 2,000W."

and I'm not using all my solar power.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:29 PM (Cus5s)

2000W = 6820btu/hr

Posted by: BignJames at August 21, 2023 12:33 PM (AwYPR)

449 435 Uff da...

Might be a good idea to take her out to dinner and have a long talk about what she really wants. Moving is a big change.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at August 21, 2023 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

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She has so many conflicting priorities. She wants a bigger house, but we wouldn't be able to afford one here on our current salaries. She wants to get away from this one guy she works with (just general assholishness), otherwise she would be fine at the current job. The new job would be a great team filled with people she already knows and likes, but she doesn't want to drive into work 3 days a week (though the campus is reportedly very nice). She likes this house. She doesn't want to go through the process of moving. She doesn't want to disrupt the kids' lives (mostly older Junior's). I've expressed that I don't want to move, but I won't stand in the way of her career.

She walked into our last financial planning meeting with our guy, and she demanded of him a straightup math answer for what to do, which he refused to give her.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:34 PM (LvTSG)

450 "I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's more money than sense." Posted by: Moron Robbie

there are a lot of off grid preppers in AZ or the south doing it. I get the house down to 64 or so, and don't use battery power to keep it cool at night. (and have a grid option). But really, many people off grid have AC now ... it is a little expensive if AC runs off battery at night. Places where electric is 20 cents per kWh it makes more sense, or remote areas.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2023 12:35 PM (Cus5s)

451 No Labels?

Feh.

I'm all for our entire ruling class being labeled with scarlet "A" tattoos.

The "A" stands for "assmunch," and the rape dogs will be trained to attack it on sight.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 21, 2023 12:36 PM (0FoWg)

452 The AQI here is 187. The whole sky is literally orange.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2023 12:36 PM (0N1h0)

453 The Moon orbits the Earth at 2 288 mph.
We should just put windmills on the Moon.

The above describes the logici and scientific literacy of wind-power advocates.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 21, 2023 12:37 PM (oKmLc)

454 Our Goals are the "feelz", not electricity.

If you put together an investigation documenting how this is a waste of money, and cannot work. The "true believers" would suck their teeth and do it anyways. After all it's not their money.

Posted by: Paladin at August 21, 2023 12:37 PM (JX1fv)

455 --- There is no way you're cooling even a little singlewide trailer in July in the South on pretend power sources.
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the

Watch that meter spin son watch that meter spin.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 21, 2023 12:38 PM (lCWOD)

456 "I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's more money than sense." Posted by: Moron Robbie
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there are a lot of off grid preppers in AZ or the south doing it. I get the house down to 64 or so, and don't use battery power to keep it cool at night.

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Thanks. That's kind of what I figured.

That's not a realistic option for normal families here in the South. AC runs 24/7 and even at 2am it's hot and stagnant.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:38 PM (Oto6+)

457 I think the two drivers behind the proposed "Eris Health Emergency" is to give Pfizer et al cover, and to try to stifle the economy to hide the inflation.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Possibly but the tide of bodies is going to doom Pfizer and Moderna just like it did Big Tobacco. In several years, the Dems will be leading the trial lawyer parade to sue them into bankruptcy.

Suppressing the economy is likely to result in collapse of said economy because it is not a switch or dial with a well modulated control by gubmint.

Posted by: whig at August 21, 2023 12:39 PM (gQdmS)

458 The AQI here is 187. The whole sky is literally orange.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2023 12:36 PM (0N1h0)

Did two internet iq tests. First was 133 second was 79. Hope I'm somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: jmt at August 21, 2023 12:41 PM (NxX5S)

459 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:34 PM (LvTSG)

100k increase and likes the people she would work with? Don’t over think it. The inconveniences will be only temporary and the kids are still young enough that they will hardly notice.

The other factor is turning down offers means they may not make offers in the future because of it.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:41 PM (MNhXM)

460 That's not a realistic option for normal families here in the South. AC runs 24/7 and even at 2am it's hot and stagnant. Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:38 PM (Oto6+)

The AC helps manage humidity too.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:42 PM (7B5FA)

461 459 100k increase and likes the people she would work with? Don’t over think it. The inconveniences will be only temporary and the kids are still young enough that they will hardly notice.

The other factor is turning down offers means they may not make offers in the future because of it.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:41 PM (MNhXM)

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I halfway make that point regularly now. It really is dependent on the specifics of the offer when it comes in. She has a dollar amount for the salary that needs to get hit that should function as the green light.

But, it doesn't alleviate her level of anxiety right now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:43 PM (LvTSG)

462 The AC helps manage humidity too.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

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Yep. It's 24/7 for three months at best. If you're in Alabama or Mississippi or any of the really brutal regions it can be June to September.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:45 PM (Oto6+)

463 But, it doesn't alleviate her level of anxiety right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 21, 2023 12:43 PM (LvTSG)

Normal for women regard to uprooting current stability. Only thing I would offer to her is the stability would return shortly and better ( provided the salary works out) . Good luck on whatever decision you guys make.

Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2023 12:48 PM (MNhXM)

464 My neighbor has a new Mini Cooper E something. A hybrid. I looked up the details and it can go 18 miles on electicity alone. I am in the middle of Montana.
The husband has a Ram pickup.

Posted by: free tibet at August 21, 2023 12:49 PM (iNp3L)

465 My neighbor has a new Mini Cooper E something. A hybrid. I looked up the details and it can go 18 miles on electicity alone. I am in the middle of Montana.
The husband has a Ram pickup.

Posted by: free tibet

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That's how it always works.

EVs only make sense if you're wealthy enough to own multiple real cars for when you need to do stuff.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:56 PM (Oto6+)

466 460 That's not a realistic option for normal families here in the South. AC runs 24/7 and even at 2am it's hot and stagnant. Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 21, 2023 12:38 PM (Oto6+)

The AC helps manage humidity too.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 21, 2023 12:42 PM (7B5FA)

Hitler is the greatest dictator leader ever. Stalin a close second. Moa three.

Posted by: jmt at August 21, 2023 01:04 PM (NxX5S)

467 One time I spent some time browsing the interwebs for info on wind turbines in central Washington. It appears that each turbine is owned by its own LLC. A majority of the LLCs are foreign owned. They lease the land. Based on that structure here is my prediction.

1. The turbines stay up so long as the tax credits flow.
2. If the tax credits end, the LLCs bail.
3. Because there are no tax credits for maintenance, the owners will just run them until the turbines fail. Then they bail. No incentive to spend the money to maintain.
4. When they bail, they won't remove the turbines. They will abandon them. The form lease the LLC provided will probably not even have an obligation to remove the stuff.
5. Then the landowner will have big useless dead machines on their land and no more income from them. The cost of removal will exceed the total income earned from the lease.
6. The landowner's financial remedy will be against a single LLC which doesn't have one single asset unless you consider a smoking, broken down wind turbine an asset. The remains will likely be classified as "toxic waste."
7. The end of a perfect grift and scam paid by taxpayers and ratepayers to a bunch of foreigners.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at August 21, 2023 01:32 PM (jGKEZ)

468 Saw these hideous eyesores blighting the countryside of England in 1992 and always most of them would not be spinning --- maybe two would out of 8 or 10. Huge boondoggle and really destructive of the environment.

Posted by: Beverly at August 21, 2023 01:47 PM (Epeb0)

469 Just on general principles having a system where you have to climb hundreds of feet in the air to maintain has a serious problem. It would be like if you could only maintain a jet airliner while flying at 10000 feet.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2023 02:41 PM (eoQWY)

470 Saw these hideous eyesores blighting the countryside of England in 1992 and always most of them would not be spinning --- maybe two would out of 8 or 10. Huge boondoggle and really destructive of the environment.
Posted by: Beverly at August 21, 2023 01:47 PM (Epeb0)

There's a pack of them in central CA near the coast...and always a good number to most offline.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2023 02:42 PM (eoQWY)

471 They will be gradually and stealthily dismantled, with nobody taking credit or blame for their initial construction. They'll be like ancient Egyptian monuments: silent, still, and pointless.

Ozymandias would understand.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 21, 2023 11:07 AM (I/Qkd)

Ozymandias' construction outlived his civilization. The wind farms don't even do that.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2023 02:48 PM (eoQWY)

472 My neighbor has a new Mini Cooper E something. A hybrid. I looked up the details and it can go 18 miles on electicity alone. I am in the middle of Montana.
The husband has a Ram pickup.
Posted by: free tibet at August 21, 2023 12:49 PM (iNp3L)

If its really a hybrid, then its a good deal since it just uses the gas a regular car does more efficiently since in a lot of cases it just using gas to recharge the battery for the electric drive motor. The 18 miles would only come in if the car ran out of gas.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2023 03:07 PM (eoQWY)

473 Excellent post! “Eco-communism”. Call a spade a spade, call a commie a commie.

Posted by: FINGERS at August 21, 2023 03:19 PM (C8ve7)

474 Good news for the Birds and Whales Goodbye Wind Turbines

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 21, 2023 04:35 PM (wGqjj)

475 An idea so stupid and wasteful only a Demorat would entertain it seriously. But hey they tell you men can get pregnant. They all ride the little blue bus.

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