THE MORNING RANT: Electric Vehicles Are Exploding <strike>In Popularity</strike>!!

THE MORNING RANT: Electric Vehicles Are Exploding In Popularity!!

I frequently mock electric vehicles for their propensity to spontaneously combust, but these things are seriously scary. We just keep hearing more disturbing stories about EVs that burst into flames, many while they are parked, turned off, and not charging.

Here are some more of these stories since the last time I discussed the topic.

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“Mercedes EQE Loaner Car Burns Down Inside Florida Homeowner's Garage” [Inside EVs – 7/24/2023]

A Mercedes-Benz EQE Sedan caught fire and burned to a crisp inside a Florida homeowner's garage last week, severely damaging the building.

The link directly above includes an embedded video of the house burning from this ferocious EV fire.

The 2023 Mercedes-Benz EQE 350+ Sedan was in the garage when it caught fire on July 19. According to Jennifer Ruotolo, the EV was a loaner from Mercedes-Benz while her own car was getting serviced. She told News4Jax that the luxury electric sedan wasn't even charging when it burst into flames – she doesn't own a home charging unit.

The header picture up top is what the electric Mercedes looked like after it was pulled out of the garage.

As we’ve discussed before, even very minor fender-benders often cause EVs to be considered total losses by insurance companies, because there is no way to know what damage was done to the battery, and it doesn’t take much to turn a lithium ion battery into a potential bomb. Ponder that the next time you rent an EV or consider buying a used one, since you have no way of knowing if that car had some minor impacts or curb encounters that might have damaged the battery.

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The World Rallycross Championship was shut down last month due to a destructive EV fire, again, from a vehicle that was not being driven.

A battery fire has destroyed both of Speed One Racing’s electric Lancia Delta World Rallycross cars. The two Lancia Delta Evo-e race cars were reportedly in the paddock at Lydden Hill Race Circuit in the UK on Friday morning when a fire originating in one of the cars’ battery packs spread and consumed the team’s road tent, taking both cars with it. The fire shut down the World Rallycross Championship event while race authorities attempted to ascertain the cause of the fire.

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A few weeks ago I covered the story of electric truck manufacturer Nikola, and how it tweeted out that foul play was suspected when one of its semi-trucks caught fire, which soon engulfed other trucks around it. Of course, an investigation revealed that there was no foul play. The problem involved the batteries.

Apparently, once EV batteries are damaged, they’re like those wacky birthday candles that re-ignite even after you blow them out. One of those damaged trucks caught on fire again at Nikola’s headquarters.

Undamaged EVs are alread terrifying enough (there is no way would I ever allow one to be parked in my garage) but if an EV was in a wreck or otherwise damaged, where the heck do you store it knowing that it could erupt in flames at any time. If I were a wrecker driver I would not want to ever tow a damaged EV.

Back to Nikola, you may recall that I put it at the top of my “EV Manufacturer Dead Pool,” predicting it would be the next to go out of business, following Lordstown Motors’ bankruptcy.

Well, Nikola is getting closer. It just suspended all sales of battery powered trucks and recalled all those on the road.

“Nikola Recalls All Battery-Electric Trucks, Halts Sales After Fire Probe” [Reuters – 8/14/2023]

Nikola said on Friday it was recalling all the battery-powered electric trucks that it has delivered to date and is suspending sales after an investigation into recent fires found a coolant leak inside a battery pack as the cause.

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I have an obligation to acknowledge when I get things wrong. As noted above, I predicted that Nikola would be the next EV manufacturer to go bankrupt. I got it wrong, it was actually a Biden-touted electric bus maker that was next in line.

Proterra, Electric-Bus Maker Touted by President Biden, Goes Bankrupt [WSJ – 8/08/2023]

Proterra, an electric bus maker that has been lauded by President Biden for its U.S. manufacturing operations, has become at least the third electric-vehicle business to file for bankruptcy in roughly the past year.

[h/t to Mr. CBD for bringing this one to my attention. I think Proterra was his entry in my EV Dead Pool.]

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GM has been plagued by exploding EVs, so they are now trying to figure out why.

Popular Science - GM - When Battery Fires Happen.JPG

I know! I know! [Buck waves hand furiously in the air.] I know the answer to this one!!

It’s when lithium-ion batteries are used as a power source for a vehicle rather than using a gasoline powered engine.

You’re welcome, GM.

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I believe that others on the blog have already covered this next story, and I am not going to joke about it, because this awful EV conflagration took a man’s life.

“Burning Car Carrier Towed to Temporary Location off Dutch Coast” [Reuters – 7/31/2023]

A burning car carrier off the Dutch coast has been towed to a new location away from shipping lanes as part of an operation to salvage the ship, the Dutch public works and water management ministry and local media said on Monday.
The freighter, which was travelling from Germany to Egypt when the blaze broke out on July 26…
Ship charter company "K" Line said on Friday there were 3,783 vehicles on board the ship - including 498 battery electric vehicles, significantly more than the 25 initially reported.
EV lithium-ion batteries burn with twice the energy of a normal fire, and maritime officials and insurers say the industry has not kept up with the risks.

Shipping companies and insurance companies have a day of reckoning coming regarding EVs. They are under pressure from the eco-left to embrace electric vehicles, but EVs are explosively dangerous, they are almost impossible to extinguish when they catch fire, and they are so fragile that the slightest damage to an EV will require it to be totaled.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at August 18, 2023 11:00 AM (1Yy3c)

2 1

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:00 AM (mQrL5)

3 Hehe, some burn on ships while riding along

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:01 AM (mQrL5)

4
ESPONJA!

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 18, 2023 11:01 AM (ENBF0)

5 Ngl, this makes me like EVs more.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:02 AM (D36pu)

6 You have to be crazy to buy an EV. Feeling lucky, punk?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 11:02 AM (Mzdiz)

7 Shipping companies and insurance companies have a day of reckoning coming regarding EVs. They are under pressure from the eco-left to embrace electric vehicles, but EVs are explosively dangerous, they are almost impossible to extinguish when they catch fire, and they are so fragile that the slightest damage to an EV will require it to be totaled.

In a fair world, our politicians will have a day of reckoning coming for their arrogance and folly in pushing these things.

So...never.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:02 AM (I/Qkd)

8 The tragedy is that all that smoke contributes to global warming.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:02 AM (FVME7)

9 The commentary will be electric.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)

10 Just imagine being behind one of those things in a carwash, knowing what water does to the batteries.........

Was at a local one the other day, told the operator I will wait until the battery car in front of me CLEARS the exit.

Posted by: zooomzooom at August 18, 2023 11:03 AM (Y0Ei4)

11 That burning house pic looks... shopped.

I have seen a few in my day.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:04 AM (zZu0s)

12 I think I'm going to include a clause in the lease that no electric vehicles can be parked on any of my rental properties.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 18, 2023 11:04 AM (cCxiu)

13 OT but this video is freakin' weird.

Periphery - Scarlet

https://youtu.be/tUltTV3t4OM

Posted by: Robert at August 18, 2023 11:04 AM (1Yy3c)

14 how long before these EVs become uninsurable?

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 11:04 AM (dCxaZ)

15
Pro tip

Do not park your vehicle next to an EV

You can figure the why

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 18, 2023 11:04 AM (I3Tjd)

16 I sure as hell hope that my increasing auto insurance rate is not due to assholes with combustible EVs.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (Mzdiz)

17 >1

Posted by: kactus at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (D4/iY)

18 Yeah. Those things are deathtraps. That's why I've got an electric bike instead. It's in my apartment foyer right now.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (krqg6)

19 Hehe, some burn on ships while riding along
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:01 AM (mQrL5)
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Can you imagine being crew on a transport ship in the middle of the Pacific when one of those fires starts? Given the dynamics of a lithium fire, it would engulf other cars almost instantly, and then the ship is in danger within minutes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (MvhRR)

20 I never pay attention to the cars where I park. I suppose I ought to, now. I don't know what to be on the lookout for.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 11:06 AM (Mzdiz)

21 I wouldn’t own an EV; no way. There’s a Tesla that’s been parking right next to me in the work parking lot…. I think of it as a fire hazard and I’ve started parking in a different spot as I don’t want my ICE vehicle to go up in some potential blazing inferno similar to the photos you’ve shown….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 18, 2023 11:06 AM (nNI2N)

22 This all reminds me of a gag from The IT Crowd where Moss attempts to put out a fire with a fire extinguisher "Made in Britain."

The extinguisher spontaneously catches fire.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 18, 2023 11:06 AM (YIVH2)

23 Is Bernie Sanders an EV supporter? If so, it would give new meaning to the campaign slogan "Feel the Burn".

Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 18, 2023 11:06 AM (cCxiu)

24 "No EV Parking"

- a sign that Maui neighborhoods wish they had.

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2023 11:07 AM (Sv58p)

25 Do not park your vehicle next to an EV

avoid the charging stations too!

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 11:07 AM (dCxaZ)

26 If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable.

I'd be a millionaire in no time.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:07 AM (IG4Id)

27 Yeah. Those things are deathtraps. That's why I've got an electric bike instead. It's in my apartment foyer right now.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (krqg6)
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Hah. When JJS posted this same Florida car fire story I mentioned my son just signed a new lease in Manhattan and it prohibits storing an E-Bike or electric scooter in the apartment. Fire hazard.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (MvhRR)

28 The Kaboom of cars

Posted by: For a shockingly hot time, call... at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (fhX0j)

29 We had Lithium batteries in the Marines years ago. The hoops to store them on ship were egregious. Navy guys knew the risks and stored them all outside of the hull in separate lockers. As I recall the fire drill for them was to disconnect the locker from the ship and toss it overboard. Easier said than done.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (4og8o)

30 Electric Vehicles Are Exploding ~~In Popularity!!~~

Joe Xiden Hardest Hit

Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (xttsV)

31 I keep an e-bike battery in a fireproof bag (designed for e-bike batteries) when not in use. These are Samsung, not an off brand ... still not completely safe. I do like the e-bike ... quiet and powerful enough to pull me up my steep hills. But to overpay for an underperforming and dangerous car? Just Say No.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (Cus5s)

32 Of course it did, it's a Mercedes.

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (+T4jH)

33 And June is bustin' out all over!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (xcxpd)

34 Why would elon do this...doesn't he know about the EV fire hazard?

https://tinyurl.com/4vrx5d9b

goes to X

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (dCxaZ)

35 The owner of an ice making plant bought an electric car and one day at work, it caught on fire. He had to go into liquidation.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (hv9bm)

36 I'm a guy that just wants a straight shift truck with no bells and whistles with a tight engine. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (4og8o)

37 Can you imagine being crew on a transport ship in the middle of the Pacific when one of those fires starts? Given the dynamics of a lithium fire, it would engulf other cars almost instantly, and then the ship is in danger within minutes.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (MvhRR)
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Despite being in the middle of an ocean, fire is one of the most terrifying things aboard a boat. Large boats (yachts and super yachts) have multiply redundant fire suppression systems that are checked and rechecked frequently because fire is the absolute LAST thing any captain wants to see while afloat.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (YIVH2)

38 16 I sure as hell hope that my increasing auto insurance rate is not due to assholes with combustible EVs.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (Mzdiz)

LOL.

You know the answer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (zZu0s)

39 Yeah. Those things are deathtraps. That's why I've got an electric bike instead. It's in my apartment foyer right now.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (krqg6)

Heh. So it can burn down an entire apartment building, and not just a garage.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (2Y6tK)

40 Musk & Co. will preview a non-lithium battery within a year.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (lCWOD)

41 The owner of an ice making plant bought an electric car and one day at work, it caught on fire. He had to go into liquidation.
Posted by: Diogenes

Chilling.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (IG4Id)

42 Serious question: How many of these EV fires occur within two weeks of them receiving their first Pfizer booster and is the VAERS system capturing the real scope of the problem?

Posted by: Muldoon, not entirely sure how this meme works... at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (991eG)

43 No sarc, illiniwek... where do you store the fireproof bag?

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (krqg6)

44 The link directly above includes an embedded video of the house burning from this ferocious EV fire.

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"This is vat vee in zee WEF call ze featurezzzz, not ze bugzzzz -- comrade!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (JdE7W)

45 Apparently, once EV batteries are damaged, they’re like those wacky birthday candles that re-ignite even after you blow them out.

More like ACME products.

Posted by: Wile E. Coyote at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (xttsV)

46 18v Ryobi batteries and 18650 batteries are the extent I will go on rechargeable batteries.

No 400v or 800v shit. Temps get too high while charging. If one cell goes, they all go.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (G8h7g)

47 Don't forget the Felicity Ace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

48 GOOOOOOOOD morning!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (kBSKe)

49 If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable.

I'd be a millionaire in no time.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:07 AM (IG4Id)

Or open a string of Kamaz dealerships.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (D36pu)

50 Lithium - Nirvana

https://youtu.be/pkcJEvMcnEg

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)

51 I wonder how many house fires in california will happen when the government there starts draining their batteries to prevent black outs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (zZu0s)

52 So, here's my take on the EV push;

There will never be widespread adoption of EV's. There will never be enough capacity on the grid(s) to support EV's. There will never be enough EV's to meet demand if EV's are the only personal vehicle sold in the US. EV's will never surpass the capabilities of ICE vehicles. Manufacturers who switch to only EV's will eventually go bankrupt.

This is all known. By us. By the feds. By the manufacturers.

The Plan™ is to make personal transportation rare and unaffordable to the public.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

53 As we’ve discussed before, even very minor fender-benders often cause EVs to be considered total losses by insurance companies, because there is no way to know what damage was done to the battery, and it doesn’t take much to turn a lithium ion battery into a potential bomb. Ponder that the next time you rent an EV or consider buying a used one, since you have no way of knowing if that car had some minor impacts or curb encounters that might have damaged the battery.
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The premiums will increase to match that risk.

And then the insurers will be accused of climate terrorism.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (kBSKe)

54 Lithium - Evanesence

https://youtu.be/PJGpsL_XYQI

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (xcxpd)

55 39 Yeah. Those things are deathtraps. That's why I've got an electric bike instead. It's in my apartment foyer right now.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:05 AM (krqg6)

Heh. So it can burn down an entire apartment

You do have a rope ladder, right?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (lCWOD)

56 42 Serious question: How many of these EV fires occur within two weeks of them receiving their first Pfizer booster and is the VAERS system capturing the real scope of the problem?
Posted by: Muldoon, not entirely sure how this meme works... at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (991eG)

Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (zZu0s)

57 So what about parking garages? If I park next to one doesn't it put my car at risk?

Posted by: Seems scary at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (NBVIP)

58 @14

>>how long before these EVs become uninsurable?

EV's are inherently, by design disposable vehicles with a limited lifespan.

You will not see 20 year old corroded Teslas on the road, they will have met the crusher long before then.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (rc3Z7)

59 Venn diagram of the people who rushed out to buy EVs and people who rushed out to get vaccinated.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (KbCG3)

60 But where's your empirical studies, bruh? Unless you've performed a rigorous statistical analysis, you're just spreading misinformation.

Posted by: bro who is totally into studies whenever people say something he doesn't like at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (KFhLj)

61 Serious question: How many of these EV fires occur within two weeks of them receiving their first Pfizer booster and is the VAERS system capturing the real scope of the problem?
Posted by: Muldoon

Sounds like a Philip K. Dick meme.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (IG4Id)

62 47 Don't forget the Felicity Ace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

I didn't know Ace was a fan of Felicity...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (xcxpd)

63 If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable.

I'd be a millionaire in no time.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:07 AM (IG4Id)

Check out the Mahindra Jeep:

https://tinyurl.com/57zcsxyu

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (2Y6tK)

64 Undamaged EVs are alread terrifying enough (there is no way would I ever allow one to be parked in my garage)
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No reason for that.

Just modify your garage with asbestos paneling behind the finishing surface. Don't forget the ceiling.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (kBSKe)

65 I checked my field, none to be found.

EVs have great acceleration, they are very comfortable to drive.
Don't want one anywhere near my property.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (u4sKi)

66 Thank you for indicating that Americans want MORE EVs. We are more than happy to oblige!

Posted by: Auto manufacturers at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (f0XAF)

67 If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable.

I'd be a millionaire in no time.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:07 AM (IG4Id)
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There probably is a market for this. I *like* my 2003 Nissan Sentra that doesn't have all of the latest and greatest modern technology in it. Power windows is about the extent of "extra features" I want in a car.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (YIVH2)

68 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (T4tVD)

69 the EV was a loaner from Mercedes-Benz while her own car was getting serviced.

You know she got a bill for that from Mercedes.

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (bt2PN)

70 59 Venn diagram of the people who rushed out to buy EVs and people who rushed out to get vaccinated.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (KbCG3)

I want to rush out and get a personal Airship.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (zZu0s)

71 o/t but a thought I had. Something Desantis could do to, at least, make me more open to voting for him. Let me preface this by saying I support Trump simply b/c I don't trust any other GOP politician to actually pursue a conservative agenda. I've been lied to and betrayed by far too many GOP politicians running for federal office who claim to be conservative and turn into GOPe immediately after the election.

Desants could say "I understand why GOP voters support Trump - they've been lied to and betrayed for decades by GOP politicians who claim to be on their side in the culture wars, border issues, etc. They trust Trump on those issues. I want to promise that I am not lying about wanting to fight for you on those issues. I understand your hesitancy to trust another GOP candidate. But I won't let you down". A GOP candidate just acknowledging this truth for the first time would be a breath of fresh air and gain some votes.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (ky+MF)

72 This would seem the least intrusive of tranny invasions.

“No Right To Participate”: World Chess Federation Bans Trans Players From Women’s Events

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (FVME7)

73
The Plan™ is to make personal transportation rare and unaffordable to the public.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

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It’s not even a secret plan any more.
15 minute cities openly call for no cars.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (Q6+6K)

74 Willowed but car related:

Modern ones... it's like they are removing the passion from the car.

It is like watching a beautiful, sexy woman grow old and get plastic surgery.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

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Spoilers:

It's the government. Again.

Look up pedestrian safety regs if you're unfamiliar. Car designers have to obey government regulations to protect idiots and drunks. Hood-lines had to be raised to that there's space between the hood and engine, and that screws up the proportion of the entire car. the next time you go out, try to find a new car with a hood-line that continues underneath the windows. No cheating, though. No hood bulge and then a curve or anything like that. Just a straight, flat hood leading into the line where you rest your arm on a nice fall evening.

Here's a video that does a quick and dirty:

https://youtu.be/kCg2glyX6OI

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (oZ23Y)

75 I won’t rent from Hertz; they are too hot and horny for EVs for me to consider them.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (f0XAF)

76 The Plan™ is to make personal transportation rare and unaffordable to the public.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

A non mobile society is hard to make work, grow food, or feed. Gated communities will only keep the riff-raff out for so long.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (G8h7g)

77 A young lady just moved in here. Very nice kid. She's parking her car down in what is pretty much visitor parking. I told her to stake out a spot under one of the ramadas, in case of hail, very common around here. Like I said, nice kid. I didn't notice her car was a Prius, and she's scared of a fire and damaging other cars. Judging by the condition of the car, it's a very late model. Anybody hear of hybrids going up in smoke?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:15 AM (0EOe9)

78 You will not see 20 year old corroded Teslas on the road, they will have ~~met the crusher~~ burned to a crisp long before then.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (rc3Z7)
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FIFY

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 18, 2023 11:15 AM (YIVH2)

79 The rate of people with traditional pre-2020 vaccinations and the 2020 and later vaxxed burning to death in house fires is nearly identical.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:15 AM (krqg6)

80 No sarc, illiniwek... where do you store the fireproof bag?
Posted by: andycanuck

I bought this one, also have used a metal toolbox ... I actually have two batteries, so just having one on the bike on the porch is a bit of a hazard.

https://tinyurl.com/4jubnh8a

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 11:15 AM (Cus5s)

81 Proterra, an electric bus maker that has been lauded by President Biden for its U.S. manufacturing operations, has become at least the third electric-vehicle business to file for bankruptcy in roughly the past year.
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Red China's EV fetishism could have given a hint on this one. There is a city there (I forget which one) that went all-in on EV buses with plenty of Party support to buy the monstrously expensive things.

Except that the ranges aren't very good and the system can't be economically operated and large numbers of buses are down for maintenance at any given time and they've had to cut bus routes pretty dramatically because the effective fleet size is much lower than expected at any given time. And they're now out of money and can't get new ones or perform maintenance and they're trying to keep their diesel buses running, too, to fill in the gaps...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:15 AM (kBSKe)

82 We want flying cars. We get flammable cars. This sucks.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (4og8o)

83 Here's a video that does a quick and dirty:

https://youtu.be/kCg2glyX6OI
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (oZ23Y)

I know. Don't care. They are still bland, ugly pieces of machinery.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (zZu0s)

84 Check out the Mahindra Jeep:

https://tinyurl.com/57zcsxyu
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Oh babay~!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (IG4Id)

85 52 So, here's my take on the EV push;

There will never be widespread adoption of EV's. There will never be enough capacity on the grid(s) to support EV's. There will never be enough EV's to meet demand if EV's are the only personal vehicle sold in the US. EV's will never surpass the capabilities of ICE vehicles. Manufacturers who switch to only EV's will eventually go bankrupt.

This is all known. By us. By the feds. By the manufacturers. The Plan™ is to make personal transportation rare and unaffordable to the public.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

Agree with all of this. Interestingly enough, in the beginning of the auto industry over a century ago, EVs were the rage; Edison himself was working on a workable EV engine. Henry Ford worked for Edison for a short time, and at some point told him about the ICE he was working on. Edison immediately said that ICE would be the wave of the future, because the power source was internally contained.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (/iWhV)

86 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (ky+MF)

As a follow up to myself - of course if Desantis openly acknowledged that truth, it would hurt him with the GOPe, which is, right now, somewhat supporting him. So, I doubt very much he'd do anything like that statement, which means I can't trust him.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (ky+MF)

87 Check out the Mahindra Jeep:

https://tinyurl.com/57zcsxyu
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

2.5-liter turbodiesel engine
I saw them in stock at 'Nash Motorsports' in Mesa. They look great; but, the better half can't handle the exhaust smell, at all.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (u4sKi)

88 Shipping companies and insurance companies have a day of reckoning coming regarding EVs.
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I wonder what kind of outlandishly expensive fireproof car containers they'll develop for EVs in shipping will be made of.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (kBSKe)

89 If your car burns, you can find spare parts at The Ohm Depot.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (hv9bm)

90 10 years from now

Democrats: we will ban every single car in the name of saving mother Gaia.

Republicans: That’s crazy talk. Anything more than banning 80% of cars is a non starter with us.

Fundraising email from GOP the next day: send $100 ASAP so we can save car ownership for you.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (Q6+6K)

91 73: cops using traffic laws as a guise to stick their noses into people’s business and to make money for cash strapped jurisdictions says otherwise.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (f0XAF)

92 Undamaged EVs are alread terrifying enough (there is no way would I ever allow one to be parked in my garage) but if an EV was in a wreck or otherwise damaged, where the heck do you store it knowing that it could erupt in flames at any time?

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Maybe a cargo ship surrounded by ocean?

Oh, wait ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (JdE7W)

93 Musk & Co. will preview a non-lithium battery within a year.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (lCWOD)

A liquid sodium-sulfur battery that operates at 600 degrees F. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (2Y6tK)

94 70 59 Venn diagram of the people who rushed out to buy EVs and people who rushed out to get vaccinated.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (KbCG3)

I want to rush out and get a personal Airship.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (zZu0s)

Better go now to beat the rush.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (KbCG3)

95 If your car burns, you can find spare parts at The Ohm Depot.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (hv9bm)
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I will resist offering any commentary on this pun.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (kBSKe)

96 It’s not even a secret plan any more.
15 minute cities openly call for no cars.
Posted by: Montec

What's the plan for people working? What's the plan on how to feed them?

What's the plan on keeping your ass alive when you fuck over 100,000 people?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (G8h7g)

97 A liquid sodium-sulfur battery that operates at 600 degrees F. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (2Y6tK)
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Maybe nothing. Maybe everything.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (kBSKe)

98 If you want to understand EV, take an old smart phone, pull the battery out, and pierce the seal to expose the lithium.

Don't be close to it when you do. Lithium combusts violently upon contact with air.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (lTGtQ)

99 Anybody hear of hybrids going up in smoke?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:15 AM (0EOe9)

I never really heard of Prius (or any hybrid) having the same issue. I am betting a lot of these 'accidents' are happening while charging.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (zZu0s)

100 I'm a guy that just wants a straight shift truck with no bells and whistles with a tight engine. Is that too much to ask for?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:09 AM (4og8o)

Yes, and what is your address comrad?
-EPA

Posted by: Rufus T Firefly at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (taapK)

101 I was in a hired car and saw the computer readout on the dash of where the car was in real time. I asked the driver about it, he said we were in an EV, he said there's 16 cameras all around the vehicle so that's how the location is established. Then he told me the car can drive itself, wanna see??

I'm like, no thanks. I'm thinking: All you need is for one of those cameras to malfunction, or lose the signal, then what?

We were on I-95

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (dCxaZ)

102 There are millions of EVs on the road. And there are what a handful of fires? I think the issue may be a wee bit overstated. The way some of you here act you’d think 1/4 of all California homes would be on fire right now.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (Q6+6K)

103 It's late enough and I've had enough coffee that I...I think...I think I'm ready to put on pants.

Posted by: Robert at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (1Yy3c)

104 Uriah Heep > Mahindra Jeep

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (hv9bm)

105 Undamaged EVs are alread terrifying enough (there is no way would I ever allow one to be parked in my garage) but if an EV was in a wreck or otherwise damaged, where the heck do you store it knowing that it could erupt in flames at any time?

Maybe a cargo ship surrounded by ocean?

Oh, wait ...
Posted by: ShainS

Didn't work for an island.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (G8h7g)

106 89 If your car burns, you can find spare parts at The Ohm Depot.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (hv9bm)

Wow.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (zZu0s)

107 In 2017, Richard Hammond of "Top Gear" fame crashed a high-performance EV when he accidentally drove it off an Alp.

Per reports, that car burned for three *weeks.*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (kBSKe)

108 This morning Fox played a video of the Ford CEO driving his family in a Ford Lightning 150 on a trip from Winnipeg , through Minnesota and finally abandoning it in another state as he could not find charging stations. Yes, he was lamenting no charging stations while driving in whatever he rented to get back to Michigan.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (0/fN7)

109 I want to promise that I am not lying about wanting to fight for you on those issues.

Three changes:
1) Never EVER say "I promise". For most voters, you might as well say "I'm lying when I say this". Just say what you mean.
2) Don't say "I want to...". Say "I will".
3) Don't say "I'm not lying". That suggests lying is a possibility.

"I will fight for you on these issues".

I should charge money for this stuff.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (I/Qkd)

110 If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable.

I'd be a millionaire in no time.

A real jeep would be fun to have. But if you have a billion dollars, your goal should not be to become a millionaire.

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (bt2PN)

111 Buck, I don't know if you saw it, but this is maybe the most perfect distillation of a Tesla owner that you'll find:

"On the EV road again: A year after using an electric Mustang, father and son try a Tesla for long drive

This year, Blank, the CEO and president of Seattle-based public relations firm Fearey, set out on the drive again, but he left his 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E at home and opted instead for a rented Tesla Model 3.

...Blank, who owns his own Tesla, opted to spend $900 on a Hertz rental to save wear and tear on his vehicle"

https://tinyurl.com/2bazsqa3

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (oZ23Y)

112 Proterra, Electric-Bus Maker Touted by President Biden, Goes Bankrupt [WSJ – 8/08/2023]

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I was so looking forward to their Solyndra model ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (JdE7W)

113 If you want to understand EV, take an old smart phone, pull the battery out, and pierce the seal to expose the lithium.

Don't be close to it when you do. Lithium combusts violently upon contact with air.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (lTGtQ)
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Which is almost certainly the cause of re-combustion later on. Small leak or breakage, eventual air ingress, boom.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (kBSKe)

114 >Joe Xiden Hardest Hit
Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (xttsV)

I think I know his new nic. He tries to obfuscate by toning down his EV fanboyism.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at August 18, 2023 11:20 AM (0/zFM)

115 The real fire problem is "e-bikes", whose parts are more exposed to the elements than a car, and which are taken into residences, since they are at considerable risk for theft.

New York City alone had 200 e-bike fires in 2020, and the push to make people use e-bikes has only started.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 11:20 AM (2tUFv)

116 I want to rush out and get a personal Airship.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (zZu0s)

Same. Same.

We are Aristocrats of the Air.

And Aristocrats of the Soul.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:20 AM (D36pu)

117 Thanks, illiniwek. I was just curious.

This sounds useful too:
The unique reflective strip design of the FLASLD battery bag can make it easier for you to find it in the dark night. In addition to storing batteries, it can also be used to store valuables, mobile phones, cash and various certificates and documents.

BTW, will a Lipo bag make me thinner?

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (krqg6)

118 110 If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable.

I'd be a millionaire in no time.

A real jeep would be fun to have. But if you have a billion dollars, your goal should not be to become a millionaire.
Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (bt2PN)

Crank windows and you have a buyer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (zZu0s)

119
We had Lithium batteries in the Marines years ago.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (4og8o)

I was an RTO when the Army had just replaced the PRC-77 old school batteries for the new lithiums. 1/3 of the weight, 1/2 the size, and 2-3 times the run time, minimum. We used to carry them inside our shirts in Alaskan winters with the issue battery extension cable, to keep them warm enough to function.

We loved those things, and I never heard of any lithium battery fires with them. But frankly, now I shudder at the thought that I used to carry them inside my wool shirt against my chest.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (n+4am)

120 If your car burns, you can find spare parts at The Ohm Depot.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (hv9bm)
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I will resist offering any commentary on this pun.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (kBSKe)
***

Can't wait for the first hottie. I doubt I will be able to resistor.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (hv9bm)

121 72 This would seem the least intrusive of tranny invasions.

“No Right To Participate”: World Chess Federation Bans Trans Players From Women’s Events

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (FVME7)

I get banning men in women's sports due to the inherent physical advantages but for the World Chess Federation to come right out and say that men are smarter than women?

Well, now they've just gone too far!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (KbCG3)

122 I'm like, no thanks. I'm thinking: All you need is for one of those cameras to malfunction, or lose the signal, then what?

We were on I-95
Posted by: kallisto

You know what stops them dead in their tracks?

A simple traffic cone. It's seen as an obstacle and the vehicle stops instead of running over something.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (G8h7g)

123 There are millions of EVs on the road. And there are what a handful of fires? I think the issue may be a wee bit overstated. The way some of you here act you’d think 1/4 of all California homes would be on fire right now.
Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (Q6+6K)
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There are a lot of EVs, absolutely. Most of them will never spontaneously combust or catch fire after a wreck.

But EVs spontaneously combust or catch fire after a wreck at significantly higher rates than IC cars. Either can happen with a traditional car, too, of course - it's just way less likely than it is with an EV.

Not all EVs are going to catch on fire by any means. But the odds are much better than an EV will catch fire than a traditional car.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (kBSKe)

124 99 That's what I was thinking. Also, I always beat this drum, I don't charge anything anymore, razor, laptop, phone, flashlight, anything unless I'm in attendance. Hell, I bring the razor out from the bathroom and charge it while I'm watching TV. Too much stuff going poof or bang and going up in flames.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (0EOe9)

125 But these threads still draw him in.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (0/zFM)

126 Is that abomination CyberTruck ever coming out? I always thought it was a big joke from Elon that gout out of hand.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (Q6+6K)

127 As per thread earlier this week, working in a finished office floor hanging white boards in offices, most are empty. Having lunch in a big office break room by myself

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (mQrL5)

128 89 If your car burns, you can find spare parts at The Ohm Depot.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (hv9bm)
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That actually would be a cool name for a store that supplies consumer parts for EVs, assuming the average consumer is "allowed" to work on an EV without voiding the warranty in some fashion.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (YIVH2)

129 The real fire problem is "e-bikes", whose parts are more exposed to the elements than a car, and which are taken into residences, since they are at considerable risk for theft.

New York City alone had 200 e-bike fires in 2020, and the push to make people use e-bikes has only started.

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I wonder where people will get their replacement EV batteries when they need them?

They'll probably pay the 40% premium to get the OEM ones. I'm certain they will, matter of fact. There's no way they'll opt for cheaper non-UL products.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (oZ23Y)

130 Same. Same.

We are Aristocrats of the Air.

And Aristocrats of the Soul.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:20 AM (D36pu)

I wonder how large you would have to make the thing to carry around say an apartment size compartment (with bridge of course- and the speed thingee like ships have) and engines and so forth?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (zZu0s)

131 Not all EVs are going to catch on fire by any means. But the odds are much better than an EV will catch fire than a traditional car.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:21 AM (kBSKe

They will all still blow up at the end of TV car chases though.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (Q6+6K)

132 "...EVs are explosively dangerous, they are almost impossible to extinguish when they catch fire..."

Remember this when in a parking lot or garage.
I will not park next to, or near, an EV.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (Rbu5d)

133 Oddly enough, I saw my first Rivian just the other day. I followed it up the highway on Wednesday.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (iZEhM)

134 Is that abomination CyberTruck ever coming out? I always thought it was a big joke from Elon that gout out of hand.
Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (Q6+6K)

He's gonna sell so many of those. So many.

Not kidding. It will be epochal.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (D36pu)

135 114 >Joe Xiden Hardest Hit
Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 11:08 AM (xttsV)

I think I know his new nic. He tries to obfuscate by toning down his EV fanboyism.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at August 18, 2023 11:20 AM (0/zFM)

MooMoo goes by many faces.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (zZu0s)

136 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (9gDA7)

137 This morning Fox played a video of the Ford CEO driving his family in a Ford Lightning 150 on a trip from Winnipeg , through Minnesota and finally abandoning it in another state as he could not find charging stations. Yes, he was lamenting no charging stations while driving in whatever he rented to get back to Michigan.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (0/fN7)

No that wasn't the Ford CEO, it was some immigrant from India, judging by the name.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (2Y6tK)

138 But if you have a billion dollars, your goal should not be to become a millionaire.
Posted by: t-bird

Have I told you that I've also invented this thing called a 'joke'?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

139 at 67, perfesser Squirrel "There probably is a market for this. I *like* my 2003 Nissan Sentra that doesn't have all of the latest and greatest modern technology in it. Power windows is about the extent of "extra features" I want in a car."

I have 3 vehicles, all 2008-2009. 2 of them have manual locks, windows and transmissions (AKA millenial anti theft device). The other is power windows, locks, automatic transmission etc. Guess which one I have the most trouble with?

If you guessed the power one, you guessed correctly. Hard to get parts for, one of the power windows went out, no parts avaliable, so I cut a 2 x4 and mounted it inside the door to keep that window closed.

My late Daddy, who was an expert in Afro engineering, would be proud.

At least it doesn't spontaneously combust.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (cCxiu)

140 Is there any police or fire department that willingly switched over to EV's?

I'm not talking about PR stunt. I mean an entire department that just said; "yea, gimme some 'O dat EV goodness."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (Q4IgG)

141 I wonder where people will get their replacement EV batteries when they need them?

They'll probably pay the 40% premium to get the OEM ones. I'm certain they will, matter of fact. There's no way they'll opt for cheaper non-UL products.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:22 AM (oZ23Y)
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And there is, of course, a very good chance that the Chinese-manufactured OEM batteries are actually UL or Intertek certified and there's no deceit or fraud involved. So all is well.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (kBSKe)

142 Roxor reminds me of '87 Suzie. It lost a court battle (high clearance flip) dealers were giving them away.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (lCWOD)

143 "I'm a guy that just wants a straight shift truck with no bells and whistles with a tight engine. Is that too much to ask for? Posted by: Puddinhead

Yes, and what is your address comrad?" -EPA

ha, in the John Deere "right to maintain" battle, Deere had claimed they can't allow private companies to do maintenance because of the EPA reg's. EPA clarified that they have no such requirement, only requirement is that Deere give all the necessary info to other servicers.

Farmers had been angry that Deere required their own people do the work, costing a lot of bucks. EPA does something right for once ... like other agencies, they would have a legit role if the top brass did not use them to enforce tyranny.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (Cus5s)

144 General Motors wants to predict when battery fires might happen

Through a new acquisition, GM now has software that can identify anomalies in EV cells.

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* In best pleasant, female Car Voice Assistant tone and cadence *

"This EV will self-destruct in five seconds."

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (JdE7W)

145 Compost can spontaneously combust.

EV's can spontaneously combust.

Therefore, EV's = Rotting Shit

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (9gDA7)

146 Fox website has the story of the Ford CEO and they also had the Canadian Indian guy. Same story essentially just with two drivers.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (Q6+6K)

147 Oddly enough, I saw my first Rivian just the other day. I followed it up the highway on Wednesday.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (iZEhM)
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I saw one a couple of weeks ago, I think. I saw it coming toward me and thought, "that is a seriously ugly SUV. What the hell is that?" As it got closer, I saw "RIVIAN" on the front end.

It is not an attractive vehicle (not to me, anyway, but I'm the only one I care about).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (kBSKe)

148 * In best pleasant, female Car Voice Assistant tone and cadence *

"This EV will self-destruct in five seconds."
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (JdE7W)

"Have a nice day."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (9gDA7)

149 EVs were never compelling, Hybrid's were and are compelling and could have been the initial push to "get us off of fossil fuels," but as usual, the maniacs in charge have no discipline or feel they needed to and are attempting to cram this garbage down our throats.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (rc3Z7)

150 I still wonder why a vehicle hasn't been made ( that I k lw of) that doesn't have a battery like my cordless screw gun, battery empty drop it out on a fork truck and hook up a charged one. Only way a LeMans race car could work

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (mQrL5)

151 When you take out all the Risk, Liability and Inconvenience of Ownership, EVs are really appealing.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (6ox+6)

152 Oddly enough, I saw my first Rivian just the other day. I followed it up the highway on Wednesday.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (iZEhM)

All over round here. I like the styling after exposure. Neo-libs who Musk makes feel icky live them.

400hp to the ground but the camber is all fubar etc and the tires go bald quick.

And the neolibs drive like idiots.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (D36pu)

153 The company Lime, that makes electric scooters, is quibbling with Segway, who makes the batteries, over who is responsible for their fires.

Personally, I would find it hugely amusing to see someone buzzing down the street on a flaming scooter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc, etc. at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (qlgfj)

154 Wanna guess when autopilot ( airplanes) was first introduced? Almost 100! years ago.

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (+T4jH)

155
It is not an attractive vehicle (not to me, anyway, but I'm the only one I care about).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (kBSKe)

Those things are hideous. The designer should be taken out back and buried up to his neck in an ant bed.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (9gDA7)

156 WHERE are you getting this from!? Fox News LOL!? I have NO PROBLEM with my new Tesla and keeping it in the garage of my MILLION DOLLAR HOME with my transgender daughter! We're SAVING THE PLANET!! Follow the SCIENCE, people!!!

Posted by: Ann I. Diot, Wrentham, MA at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (ik/65)

157 The term "fossil fuels" make me laugh. Get out of here with that nonsense. Fossils? Lol. Sure buddy.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (D36pu)

158 Didn't work for an island.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (G8h7g)

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Touché.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (JdE7W)

159 This would seem the least intrusive of tranny invasions.

"No Right To Participate": World Chess Federation Bans Trans Players From Women’s Events

While there wouldn't be physical harm, there would be economic harm:

Magnus Carlsen has an ELO rating of 2835
The top female Yifan Hou has an ELO rating of 2628
The 100th ranked player has an ELO rating of 2644

Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (xttsV)

160 Rivian: Crocs you can Drive!

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (6ox+6)

161 General Motors wants to predict when battery fires might happen

Through a new acquisition, GM now has software that can identify anomalies in EV cells. ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (JdE7W)
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This is an excellent idea that is essential for safe operation, and I am glad to see GM taking this path.

I had exactly the same idea with my acoustic monitoring system to provide early warning for dangerous hull degradation.

Posted by: Zombie Stockton Rush at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (kBSKe)

162 140 Is there any police or fire department that willingly switched over to EV's?

—

South Pasadena announced they are going all EV for police cars.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (Q6+6K)

163 I saw one a couple of weeks ago, I think. I saw it coming toward me and thought, "that is a seriously ugly SUV. What the hell is that?" As it got closer, I saw "RIVIAN" on the front end.

It is not an attractive vehicle (not to me, anyway, but I'm the only one I care about).
Posted by: Joe Mannix

It's as attractive as the Honda Ridgeline pickup.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (G8h7g)

164 149 EVs were never compelling, Hybrid's were and are compelling and could have been the initial push to "get us off of fossil fuels," but as usual, the maniacs in charge have no discipline or feel they needed to and are attempting to cram this garbage down our throats.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (rc3Z7)

Hybrids EXTENDED range that you could drive. EVs radically reduce it.

Now think that through and you will see why they want us on EVs and not hybrids.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (zZu0s)

165 If your car burns, you can find spare parts at The Ohm Depot.
Posted by: Diogenes

*******

That's revolting!

Posted by: Muldoon, not entirely sure how this meme works... at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (991eG)

166
It's late enough and I've had enough coffee that I...I think...I think I'm ready to put on pants.
Posted by: Robert at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (1Yy3c)

Wanna know how I figured out that you aren't a True Moron?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (n+4am)

167 I have 3 vehicles, all 2008-2009. 2 of them have manual locks, windows and transmissions (AKA millenial anti theft device). The other is power windows, locks, automatic transmission etc. Guess which one I have the most trouble with?

If you guessed the power one, you guessed correctly. Hard to get parts for, one of the power windows went out, no parts avaliable, so I cut a 2 x4 and mounted it inside the door to keep that window closed.

My late Daddy, who was an expert in Afro engineering, would be proud.

At least it doesn't spontaneously combust.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (cCxiu)

For me the sweet spot is 2011~2015 cars. I don't want anything made after that. I don't want lane change monitors or blind spot sensors, I just want a solid car with a backup camera.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (xcxpd)

168 WHERE are you getting this from!? Fox News LOL!? I have NO PROBLEM with my new Tesla and keeping it in the garage of my MILLION DOLLAR HOME with my transgender daughter! We're SAVING THE PLANET!! Follow the SCIENCE, people!!!
Posted by: Ann I. Diot, Wrentham, MA at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (ik/65)

When did Joe Xiden come back?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (9gDA7)

169 "I'm a guy that just wants a straight shift truck with no bells and whistles with a tight engine. Is that too much to ask for? Posted by: Puddinhead

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Speaking of Spoilers: It's the government. Again.

Manuals didn't disappear because people didn't want them. Plenty of people wanted them. People begged manufacturers to continue producing them.

Manuals disappeared because it was easier for manufacturers to predict fleet fuel economy using automatics. That's a multimillion dollar industry just avoiding those taxes, so it was the most rational decision.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (oZ23Y)

170 First Rivian truck I saw near my house and first thing I thought was What make is that ugly vehicle?
Easiest way to know it's a EV is what it looks like.

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (mQrL5)

171 Personally, I would find it hugely amusing to see someone buzzing down the street on a flaming scooter.

They could drive it into a nearby body of water, but they'd need to ensure the windows were down first so they can escape.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (I/Qkd)

172 * In best pleasant, female Car Voice Assistant tone and cadence *

"This EV will self-destruct in five seconds."
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:24 AM (JdE7W)

"Have a nice day."
Posted by: Sponge
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*recalls early in-car voice systems*

'Your car is afire'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc, etc. at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (q5ARv)

173 Oh Great. Looks like Hilary is coming to San Diego...

https://is.gd/a0OFoM

She's gonna piss on everything and make a mess.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (ynpvh)

174 Personally, I would find it hugely amusing to see someone buzzing down the street on a flaming scooter.
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Their legs would be toast in a NY second.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (DmtxH)

175 Rivian: Crocs you can Drive!
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (6ox+6)

So you own 3?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (9gDA7)

176 There's more oil than lithium.

Posted by: It is known at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (NBVIP)

177
It's as attractive as the Honda Ridgeline pickup.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM

the Honda Ridgeline is the Subaru Brat of minivans

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (ENBF0)

178 It's as attractive as the Honda Ridgeline pickup.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (G8h7g)

Dad had a beautiful SE Avalanche (did not have the weird plastic inserts.) He loved that truck and it was gorgeous (beautiful blue.)

But they quit making em and he had put on like 300k miles on it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (zZu0s)

179 156 WHERE are you getting this from!? Fox News LOL!? I have NO PROBLEM with my new Tesla and keeping it in the garage of my MILLION DOLLAR HOME with my transgender daughter! We're SAVING THE PLANET!! Follow the SCIENCE, people!!!
Posted by: Ann I. Diot, Wrentham, MA at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (ik/65)

Fox News? Dead giveaway. You're not fooling anyone, Ann.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (KbCG3)

180 Good news, everyone! You can now buy a Fauci pillow!

https://tinyurl.com/2s6x8zcw

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (FVME7)

181 Yes, he was lamenting no charging stations while driving in whatever he rented to get back to Michigan.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2023 11:19 AM (0/fN7)

I guess someone didn't set him up for success.

Posted by: Your Bank at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (hCzfy)

182 Fox website has the story of the Ford CEO and they also had the Canadian Indian guy. Same story essentially just with two drivers.
Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (Q6+6K)

One guy believed Ford's bullshit.

The other guy believed his own bullshit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (2Y6tK)

183 I get banning men in women's sports due to the inherent physical advantages but for the World Chess Federation to come right out and say that men are smarter than women?

No women not named Polgar have ever been in the absolute top level of chess players.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (2tUFv)

184 Rivian truck is fugly. The SUV looks decent.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (Q6+6K)

185 Look. Tesla owners are not die-hard neolib globohomo types.

They all instinctively hate Musk.

That's why the neolib media is publicizing the battery fires etc etc.

Musk is gonna make EVs viable for a meaningful number of ppl. Which is why all these horror stories.

They are terrified of Musk making things that work.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (D36pu)

186 Bad sock. Shoo.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (hCzfy)

187 -----------

*recalls early in-car voice systems*

'Your car is afire'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc, etc. at August 18, 2023 11:28 AM (q5ARv)

"Say man.....somebody stole your battery. I say we go get the muthaf*cka."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (9gDA7)

188 They could drive it into a nearby body of water, but they'd need to ensure the windows were down first so they can escape.
Posted by: Archimedes

ISWYDT.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (G8h7g)

189 My first thought on seeing the rivian was: 'What fucking inbred drooling retard thought those headlights were a good idea?!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)

190 They will all still blow up at the end of TV car chases though.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:23 AM (Q6+6K)

Will all the passengers walk out of the wreck, shaking their heads and disoriented?

Posted by: The A-Team at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (PSM3P)

191 139 My first car was a new one. Well, it was a demo and I had a car loan at age 16 with Dad cosigning. 1965 Beetle. I mean loaded with stuff like a gas gauge, formerly an option, and windshield washers powered by air bled from the spare tire. Had a long relationship with those little cars because they were so easy to work on. Then I found out they were easy to work on because you were always working on them. Practice, practice, practice. Saying that, I could swap out the points by the dark of the moon in a bar room parking lot.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (0EOe9)

192 Vivek knows how to communicate in an effective way. He strips away the bs and gets to the point, without equivocations.

Here is what Vivek has to say on his website:

God is real.

There are two genders.

Human flourishing requires fossil fuels.

Reverse racism is racism.

An open border is no border.

Parents determine the education of their children.

The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind.

Capitalism lifts people up from poverty.

There are three branches of the U.S. government, not four.

The U.S. Constitution is the strongest guarantor of freedoms in history.

https://tinyurl.com/3dyb9a9j

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (I/Qkd)

193 Manuals disappeared because it was easier for manufacturers to predict fleet fuel economy using automatics. That's a multimillion dollar industry just avoiding those taxes, so it was the most rational decision.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Seeking a manual transmission PU truck, I had to have it shipped in from 4 states away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc, etc. at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (q5ARv)

194 my car garage is underneath my kitchen, a kitchen which would cost 250-300K to replace

so no way

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (us2H3)

195 Biden needs to buy an EV and park it next to his corvette.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (NpAcC)

196 Manuals disappeared because it was easier for manufacturers to predict fleet fuel economy using automatics. That's a multimillion dollar industry just avoiding those taxes, so it was the most rational decision.
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You and I can rebuild a manual transmission and replace a clutch. Auto-trans are expensive to fix. Moar money, moar money...

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (DmtxH)

197 Check out the Mahindra Jeep:

https://tinyurl.com/57zcsxyu

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (2Y6tK)

I could go for one of those.

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

198
the Honda Ridgeline is the Subaru Brat of ~~minivans~~ Pontiac Aztecs
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (ENBF0)

Corrected for accuracy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (9gDA7)

199 Heh. So it can burn down an entire apartment

You do have a rope ladder, right?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (lCWOD)

I recall that there were ropes provided in the old dorm I lived in (not ladders, only ropes). That was the fire escape, back from the days when it was an all-male college. Would I have been able to make it down three floors? Never had to find out.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (Mzdiz)

200 he Honda Ridgeline is the Subaru Brat of minivans
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (ENBF0)

Keep the Brat out your filthy mouth!

Fantastic vehicle.

Fantastic styling.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (D36pu)

201 I still wonder why a vehicle hasn't been made ( that I k lw of) that doesn't have a battery like my cordless screw gun, battery empty drop it out on a fork truck and hook up a charged one. Only way a LeMans race car could work
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (mQrL5)
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It's a really hard problem. EV batteries are big. And heavy. And at the bottom of the car. And attached to major structural components because they're so big and heavy. They're also shaped to fit in the vehicle to cram as many cells as possible into the space available. To put one on a sled would require sacrificing a lot of space used for cells both to accommodate the sled system and the fact that the battery would need to be a uniform shape (rectangular slab) and so the other voids that are often filled are no longer filled. The reduction in effective battery capacity and range would be pretty great, not to mention the weight and cost of the system.

The obvious alternative - to sling it below the chassis - would work, but that then puts the fairly vulnerable battery right above the road surface while also reducing ground clearance. Not a great combination (not for cars, anyway - trucks, maybe).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (kBSKe)

202 Buy an EV they said, it'll reduce your carbon emissions.

Hard to remember that when your house is emitting tons of carbon while it's components rapidly oxidize. But at least you'll be warm for a while.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (Bd6X8)

203 194 my car garage is underneath my kitchen, a kitchen which would cost 250-300K to replace

so no way
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Does your kitchen blow you?

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (DmtxH)

204 "101
I'm like, no thanks. I'm thinking: All you need is for one of those cameras to malfunction, or lose the signal, then what?

We were on I-95
Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM (dCxaZ)"

Pure vision-based navigation has killed people and will continue to kill people. Even if they got it reliable (they haven't), we don't have an acceptable solution to autopilot + the trolley problem. (disclosure; have worked for companies that worked on this + have friends involved in the testing)

Speaking of which, we almost died twice in about 10 minutes coming down a mountain pass recently; the retards in the vehicle in front of us were using the autopilot feature, and there had been road work during the day that had been shut down just prior. The car apparently spotted some 35mph signs that hadn't been covered yet and basically stood on its own brakes, coming down from 70 mph on a steep downhill. Just because the car can stop doesn't mean the trucks behind it can. About half a dozen people were about ready to drag the non-driving driver out of his stupid fucking car and lynch him after the second one.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (uGpeQ)

205 If they can't make a vacuum cleaner with a rechargeable battery that can still hold a decent charge after six months of use, then they can't make a decent electric vehicle.

Posted by: Keepin' It Real Simple at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (ik/65)

206 Those things are hideous. The designer should be taken out back and buried up to his neck in an ant bed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:26 AM (9gDA7)
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That's not very nice.

Posted by: The dude who designed the Edsel at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (kBSKe)

207 It's as attractive as the Honda Ridgeline pickup.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:27 AM (G8h7g)

I always read that as "Fridgeline". Damned thing looks like an appliance.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (2Y6tK)

208 To be fair, I have seen several ICE cars burning uncontrollably to the point the fire dept. gives up on them. Happened to my bosses truck about 15 years ago after he returned from lunch, started smoking them flames shooting out of the engine compartment. By time fire dept arrived it was a fireball and threatening the trees. Got to watch it melt down from my office window.

Posted by: Ripley at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (KrJTL)

209 Yes ... they are using the EV's to get the number of available ICE's down to whatever level they decide and then shut down EV's because they had served their purpose.... getting rid of ICE prime directive #2...

Posted by: Qmark at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (ibYwk)

210
YOUR EV's COMPANY

Just like Solyndra. If Solyndra killed people and burned down your house.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (QzZeQ)

211 I want a Kamaz and a Sherp.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (D36pu)

212 Six months ago I saw a Rivian towing a camper charging at Walmart. Holy smokes, not only did it block all 4 charging stations on one side, it also blocked in two cars in regular spots. Someone called the police while we were in the store. I guess they were trying to get the guy to move.

Posted by: Mishdog at August 18, 2023 11:33 AM (lmKVt)

213 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (0EOe9)

In the past, no matter how fast you were going, someone in a bug would pass you.

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2023 11:33 AM (AwYPR)

214
Musk is gonna make EVs viable for a meaningful number of ppl. Which is why all these horror stories.

They are terrified of Musk making things that work.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM (D36pu)

Studies show Tesla grossly overstated the mileage estimates of their cars and service managers denying battery replacements for angry customers were given bonuses.

Musk is a hack like the rest of them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

215 cops using traffic laws as a guise to stick their noses into people’s business and to make money for cash strapped jurisdictions says otherwise.

Comrades, who do you think will be your Floor Monitor when you are all moved into Glorious Peoples Housing?

Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (xttsV)

216 93 Musk & Co. will preview a non-lithium battery within a year.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:10 AM (lCWOD)

A liquid sodium-sulfur battery that operates at 600 degrees F. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:17 AM (2Y6tK)

*************

LOL, Lithium and sodium are alkali metals which react violently with oxygen. Did these people not take and pass the equivalent of a junior high school chemistry level at any time in their lives?

I like Musk but this fascination with these batteries just baffles the hell out of me.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (xxG/v)

217 191 139 My first car was a new one. Well, it was a demo and I had a car loan at age 16 with Dad cosigning. 1965 Beetle. I mean loaded with stuff like a gas gauge, formerly an option, and windshield washers powered by air bled from the spare tire. Had a long relationship with those little cars because they were so easy to work on. Then I found out they were easy to work on because you were always working on them. Practice, practice, practice. Saying that, I could swap out the points by the dark of the moon in a bar room parking lot.
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Should have bought a Corvair.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (LQjWA)

218 Testing hash

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (sG4Hj)

219 196 There was a guy back in Ohio that had a transmission shop. He employed a few young folks from the sheltered workshop doing rebuilds. Some of those kids could be so focused that he had good luck hiring them. He would assign them to one particular transmission and that was it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (0EOe9)

220 Does your kitchen blow you?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (DmtxH)

no, I got some cage girls for that

cheaper than a Viking

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (us2H3)

221 Check out the Mahindra Jeep:

https://tinyurl.com/57zcsxyu

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:13 AM (2Y6tK)

Didn't they get sued by Chrysler for that thing?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (9gDA7)

222 And the fool's bandaged finger wabbles back to the fire.

EVs aren't ready for prime time and haven't been since they wee first rolled out in the 1800s.

Posted by: Gods of the Copybook Headings at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (l7Kbv)

223 I will never understand the urge to be an early adopter, particularly of technology that you absolutely require for everyday life. I'm happy to let someone else be the guinea pig.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (I/Qkd)

224 Musk is a hack like the rest of them.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

He's great. Dig the goofball. He makes cool shit that works.

We need to colonize the universe.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (D36pu)

225 Chris Mowrey
@chrisdmowrey
To date, on Maui, FEMA has provided more than $2.3 million in assistance to more than 1,330 households, including more than $800,000 in initial rental assistance. Biden and the First Lady will travel to Hawaii on Monday to meet with families and first responders.
I’m glad Biden is helping families. My heart goes out to Maui.

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We're lucky to have Biden looking out for us!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (FVME7)

226 cops using traffic laws as a guise to stick their noses into people’s business and to make money for cash strapped jurisdictions says otherwise.

Comrades, who do you think will be your Floor Monitor when you are all moved into Glorious Peoples Housing?
Posted by: Chuck C

Don't rightly know. Last one ended up in the trash compactor.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (G8h7g)

227 ... Then I found out they were easy to work on because you were always working on them. Practice, practice, practice. ...
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (0EOe9)
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This, too, is the story of every Trabant owner.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (kBSKe)

228 Do you guys think there is a market for a battery trailer that you can tow behind your EV for an additional charge, maybe fitted with a small gas generator as well?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2023 11:35 AM (PSM3P)

229 Off Kipling sock

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (l7Kbv)

230 Should have bought a Corvair.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (LQjWA)

The Jay Leno video on the Corvair Rampside(?) truck was pretty cool. I like the idea, and it was different.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (zZu0s)

231 "201 I still wonder why a vehicle hasn't been made ( that I k lw of) that doesn't have a battery like my cordless screw gun, battery empty drop it out on a fork truck and hook up a charged one. Only way a LeMans race car could work
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (mQrL5)"

It'd been done, there have been user swappable batteries. They are expensive as fuck and every bit as dangerous out of the car as in.

If I want to double my range I can buy $100 worth of gas cans and a second tank of gas. For an EV to double it's range with an instant swap you need a $15k+ battery. Nobody is going to do this, especially when most EV owners have 1-3 other vehicles.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (uGpeQ)

232 Testing hash

Hope you're at least getting a good buzz off it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (Bd6X8)

233 There are millions of EVs on the road. And there are what a handful of fires? I think the issue may be a wee bit overstated. The way some of you here act you’d think 1/4 of all California homes would be on fire right now.
Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:18 AM

Joe, long time no see. Where have you been?

Posted by: Electric Vehicle guy at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (xttsV)

234 Has anyone thought about ... nuclear powered cars? I mean, right? Gosh, I think I just solved the world's energy problems! Nobel prize anyone!?!?!?!

Posted by: Freshman Wokegineer, State U. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (ik/65)

235 Musk is gonna make EVs viable for a meaningful number of ppl. Which is why all these horror stories.

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They're absolutely viable for wealthy families who don't use them too much beyond "toy" capacity and who own multiple other real cars for when they need to go places or do things.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (oZ23Y)

236 My first car was a new one. Well, it was a demo and I had a car loan at age 16 with Dad cosigning. 1965 Beetle. I mean loaded with stuff like a gas gauge, formerly an option, and windshield washers powered by air bled from the spare tire. Had a long relationship with those little cars because they were so easy to work on. Then I found out they were easy to work on because you were always working on them. Practice, practice, practice. Saying that, I could swap out the points by the dark of the moon in a bar room parking lot.
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Should have bought a Corvair.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (LQjWA)
***

My first car was a '59 VW. 36 screaming ponies under the hood.
Trashed it and moved up to a...Corvair. Drove that POS for three years.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (hv9bm)

237 How many lives did FEMA save vs amount of money spent?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (zZu0s)

238 Has anyone thought about ... nuclear powered cars? I mean, right? Gosh, I think I just solved the world's energy problems! Nobel prize anyone!?!?!?!
Posted by: Freshman Wokegineer, State U. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (ik/65)
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I always enjoyed setting off a chain reaction of explosions of those in Fallout 3 and 4....

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 18, 2023 11:37 AM (YIVH2)

239 They're absolutely viable for wealthy families who don't use them too much beyond "toy" capacity and who own multiple other real cars for when they need to go places or do things.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (oZ23Y)

Right. They're cool.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:37 AM (D36pu)

240 215 cops using traffic laws as a guise to stick their noses into people’s business and to make money for cash strapped jurisdictions says otherwise.

Comrades, who do you think will be your Floor Monitor when you are all moved into Glorious Peoples Housing?
Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (xttsV)

Are The Villages really that bad?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:37 AM (xcxpd)

241 my first car was a hand me down mid 50's Renault Dauphine

real POS

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2023 11:37 AM (us2H3)

242 Electric motors have many favorable characteristics compared to ICE engines (high torque at low RPM, quiet, high acceleration, high power-to-weight ratio, etc.). Electric batteries...not so much.

Posted by: The Big Bang at August 18, 2023 11:37 AM (XMwZJ)

243 The VW Beetle is one of the worst vehicles ever foisted upon the public.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (9gDA7)

244 "Studies show Tesla grossly overstated the mileage estimates of their cars and service managers denying battery replacements for angry customers were given bonuses.

Musk is a hack like the rest of them.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (9gDA7)"

Musk is willing to hoover money from retards that buy the hype in order to fund his projects.

I can't say I blame him; I have zero sympathy for these people.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (uGpeQ)

245 I saw Flaming Cooters open for...

Sorry.

Wrong band.

Never mind.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (krqg6)

246 Guess what the percentage of cars registered in CA are EV’s? And remember, it’s the highest state in the nation.

2%

The EV revolution will not be televised. It’s gaslighting all the way.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (JTwsP)

247 Six months ago I saw a Rivian towing a camper charging at Walmart. Holy smokes, not only did it block all 4 charging stations on one side, it also blocked in two cars in regular spots. Someone called the police while we were in the store. I guess they were trying to get the guy to move.
Posted by: Mishdog at August 18, 2023 11:33 AM (lmKVt)
++++
There is a special place in hell for that person. If you're in this position, there is one - and only one - acceptable approach to this problem:
1. Go to the far corner of the parking lot
2. Park and disconnect the trailer
3. Go to the charging station and charge up like a regular car
4. When finished, go hook up again

Is that a time-consuming pain in the ass? Yes, definitely. Are you a monumental, Titanic-scale asshole if you don't? Also yes. If you don't like it, don't get an EV tow vehicle.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (kBSKe)

248
But at least you'll be warm for a while.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (Bd6X

Hell, you'll be warm for the rest of your life.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (n+4am)

249 234 Has anyone thought about ... nuclear powered cars? I mean, right? Gosh, I think I just solved the world's energy problems! Nobel prize anyone!?!?!?!
Posted by: Freshman Wokegineer, State U. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (ik/65)

Write that in the form of a rap lyric and I'll give you an A. Take a swipe at the Bad Orange Man for extra credit.

Posted by: State U. STEAM Adjunct Professor at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (PiwSw)

250 Has anyone thought about ... nuclear powered cars? I mean, right? Gosh, I think I just solved the world's energy problems! Nobel prize anyone!?!?!?!
Posted by: Freshman Wokegineer, State U. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (ik/65)

I think about them all the time. Nuclear powered everything.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (D36pu)

251 That Jay Leno video on the Corvair Rampside pickup:

https://tinyurl.com/4njmea74

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (zZu0s)

252 Taking exit 8 into Wahiawa.
Haven’t seen any reports yet but this fire is getting bigger

https://tinyurl.com/39bf6333

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (lCWOD)

253 Has anyone thought about ... nuclear powered cars? I mean, right? Gosh, I think I just solved the world's energy problems! Nobel prize anyone!?!?!?!

Posted by: Freshman Wokegineer, State U. at August 18, 2023 11:36 AM (ik/65)

Absurd, all that nuclear waste would be a nightmare.

They key is to build all downhill roads.

Escher roadways will solve the energy crisis.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (PSM3P)

254 227 One cool thing about old Type 1 bugs is the factory tool kit, with the addition of a feeler gauge allows you to do just about everything. It may take a while, and you would wish for sockets and a ratchet. Valve adjustment procedure was included in the owner's manual.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (0EOe9)

255 Nuclear Powered Airships.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (zZu0s)

256
Musk is willing to hoover money from retards that buy the hype in order to fund his projects.

I can't say I blame him; I have zero sympathy for these people.
Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (uGpeQ)

And tax dollars. Don't forget about the sweet, sweet tax dollars.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (9gDA7)

257 There are tons of those videos circulating where some poor sap is going about his day and suddenly his pocket or backpack explodes in flames as his phone goes pryotechnic. EVs are just the evolution of the fad, writ large. The ones of the giant substations on the grid are gonna be epic!

Posted by: red speck at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (0Id0S)

258 @192

>>Vivek knows how to communicate in an effective way. He strips away the bs and gets to the point, without equivocations.

No Triangulation, The Meatball could learn a thing or two.

Indian Business Guy will make a fine VP.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (Ytv1P)

259 The VW Beetle is one of the worst vehicles ever foisted upon the public.
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Posted by: zombie ted kennedy at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (krqg6)

260 You and I can rebuild a manual transmission and replace a clutch. Auto-trans are expensive to fix. Moar money, moar money...
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:31 AM (DmtxH)

You and I can rebuild an automatic tranny, too. Automatics aren't that hard. Get a good book or a Youtube video for a reference, and dig into it. Just have a large, clean worktable, and lay out everything in sequence as you remove it.

Parts are expensive, but they are for manuals, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (2Y6tK)

261 They all instinctively hate Musk. That's why the neolib media is publicizing the battery fires etc etc.

Musk is gonna make EVs viable for a meaningful number of ppl. Which is why all these horror stories. They are terrified of Musk making things that work.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:29 AM

As much as I like Musk making Leftist meltdown with his purchase of Twitter, there's no way I trust any of his economic and technology plans to be viable. Hyperloop, solar city, the Mars missions...he over-promises, under delivers, and is a techno snake oil salesman.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (JCZqz)

262 I have an electric Fiat 500... a 2014. Still works great. Hasn't caught fire ... yet. (Fingers crossed).

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (tolyz)

263 This leggy Asian lady loves her fast and fun EV sports car, but she doesn't depend on it as her sole means of transportation:
https://is.gd/107xxm

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (kBSKe)

264 Nuclear Powered Airships.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (zZu0s)

*swoons*

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (D36pu)

265 Sooner or later, blocks of major city row houses will catch fire too. It's not usual for residents to have chargers setup to span sidewalks so they can charge vehicles parked on street.

And the e-bikes needed for city-based delivery people in particular can be 'problematic.' Fortune, July 27: New York City wants lithium-ion e-bike batteries to be stopped at the border when they don’t meet national safety standards after rash of deadly fires. (Heh. Who you gonna sue?)

And, of course, the mining and disposal of the hazardous materials that go there in are, and will continue to be, a nightmare.

Until the next best, money making thing "for the greater good" comes along.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (GshMh)

266 "This is all known. By us. By the feds. By the manufacturers. The Plan™ is to make personal transportation rare and unaffordable to the public.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)"

^ That. They don't want the North American Sand People and Appalachiastan to have ICE vehicles to turn into technicals, plus they need to do something about deep flyover land prior to jamming everyone into their 15-minute prisons.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (uGpeQ)

267 when I saw the above pic, I thought

man Great White is playing really small venues

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (us2H3)

268 We should take care of two problems at once and give Ukraine a bunch of EVs to drop on the Russians.

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (PZvjL)

269 As much as I like Musk making Leftist meltdown with his purchase of Twitter, there's no way I trust any of his economic and technology plans to be viable. Hyperloop, solar city, the Mars missions...he over-promises, under delivers, and is a techno snake oil salesman.

Seriously? You think Space X underdelivers? Why don't you ask Jeff Bezos and NASA.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:41 AM (I/Qkd)

270 257 There are tons of those videos circulating where some poor sap is going about his day and suddenly his pocket or backpack explodes in flames as his phone goes pryotechnic. EVs are just the evolution of the fad, writ large. The ones of the giant substations on the grid are gonna be epic!
Posted by: red speck at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM

That's not quite fair...the risk of a phone battery going off, and the consequences thereof, are miniscule. Both are MUCH higher for an EV.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 18, 2023 11:41 AM (JCZqz)

271 I still wonder why a vehicle hasn't been made ( that I k lw of) that doesn't have a battery like my cordless screw gun, battery empty drop it out on a fork truck and hook up a charged one. Only way a LeMans race car could work

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:25 AM (mQrL5)

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Commented on this here a year or two ago (and others have discussed battery swapping):

Read a biography of Musk several years ago -- and one of the ideas that I thought was brilliant, but they haven't implemented obviously, was to make the batteries easily exchangeable.

You park over a pit at an exchange center, a robotic arm pulls out your uncharged battery and installs a fully-charged battery, and you drive off.

Other commenters pointed out the various issues with this, and to be efficient/effective it would likely require that all EVs have a standardized battery system.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:41 AM (CYgrT)

272 Have we reached peak AWFL? "Am I gay?" I'm a middle-aged woman reinventing her life after marriage and kids — and I'm not alone. Turning in is common for women in their 40s and 50s. Why don't we talk about it more?

It was in the locker room of the gym when I saw the woman, standing with her back to me applying lotion to her legs. She was naked. I was mesmerized. With the quickness of a snap, the hold on me released and the question emerged from the fog, "Am I gay?"

I was so tethered to the only life I thought I could have that even after having my first same-sex attraction at 44, which led to a four-month affair, I still never questioned my sexuality. I immersed myself in this other-worldly experience while going about my otherwise typically heteronormative existence. Until that day in the gym.

The women I met as a late bloomer offered stories of the path they traveled before arriving at their redefined sexual orientation...By the time these women reached their late 30s, 40s or 50s, something or someone woke those dormant feelings. Others, like me, never had a previous same-sex attraction awareness, and those first times knocked our worlds off their axes.

Posted by: Intercepted Salon.com Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 11:41 AM (JCZqz)

273 “No Right To Participate”: World Chess Federation Bans Trans Players From Women’s Events

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:14 AM (FVME7)

I miss OregonMuse.

Despite the attractive women featured playing chess on his posts, I think most world-class chess players are men. So maybe it's just as valid there as in sports.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 11:41 AM (Mzdiz)

274 "You and I can rebuild an automatic tranny, too. Automatics aren't that hard. Get a good book or a Youtube video for a reference, and dig into it. Just have a large, clean worktable, and lay out everything in sequence as you remove it.

Parts are expensive, but they are for manuals, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (2Y6tK)"

Ehhhh even if we're capable I can't say that I'm really annoyed at how a little water will really ruin an auto, while a manual can limp along even with the wrong fluid in it.

All my offroad stuff is auto; there are just too many advantages. But I do appreciate a stout manual.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:42 AM (uGpeQ)

275 Breaking! Teenage girls are as smart as gorillas!

https://tinyurl.com/23yzmn4d

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:42 AM (FVME7)

276 Why do they always say “battery” electric cars? Is there any other kind? Can I go to a dealership and get a cable car or fuel cell car anywhere ?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2023 11:42 AM (JTwsP)

277 Oh no we're MINING MINERALS and METALS!

Oh no no no no no

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:42 AM (D36pu)

278 Read the other day that something like 13 people in NYC have been killed in apartment fires caused by batteries from bike and scooters. I'm sure the environmentalists are good as after those people are dead they have no further carbon footprint.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 18, 2023 11:43 AM (593CM)

279 Yes ... they are using the EV's to get the number of available ICE's down to whatever level they decide and then shut down EV's because they had served their purpose.... getting rid of ICE prime directive #2...
Posted by: Qmark

--

DING DING DING

Read this again if you missed it the first time.

And remember, come 2035 new ICE cars are banned by the government and manufacturers are preparing accordingly.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:43 AM (oZ23Y)

280 Oops! Wrong link on the gorilla story.

https://tinyurl.com/26cevjas

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:43 AM (FVME7)

281 Just imagine the sort of rewiring that has to be done in order to get a motel with 100 rooms redone in order to accommodate 100 EV chargers at 70 amps per charger (which is what I understand the amperage is to be with these rechargers).

One would think one was staying at the local electrical substation instead of a motel.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (xxG/v)

282 Read the other day that something like 13 people in NYC have been killed in apartment fires caused by batteries from bike and scooters. I'm sure the environmentalists are good as after those people are dead they have no further carbon footprint.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 18, 2023 11:43 AM (593CM)

They don't give a shit. The environmental rape required for the batteries far outweighs the drilling and refining of oil for fuel.

They deny all knowledge of that inconvenient truth.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (9gDA7)

283 We should take care of two problems at once and give Ukraine a bunch of EVs to drop on the Russians.

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2023 11:40 AM (PZvjL)

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* snort *

Can we get a photoshop of Slim Pickens riding atop a descending EV bomb over Moscow?

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (CYgrT)

284 >>> A Mercedes-Benz EQE Sedan caught fire and burned to a crisp inside a Florida homeowner's garage last week, severely damaging the building.

At least that explains why my home insurance has doubled each of the last two years.
Or, maybe not.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (VoO2m)

285 >>Anybody hear of hybrids going up in smoke?

Not any more than regular cars. Hybrid batteries are a small fraction of the size of EV batteries and aren't charged in garages.

Hybrids are actually a great application of battery technology to cars, which is why they sell without subsidies.

Posted by: Bigsmith at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (D83yK)

286 Dear Penthouse letter on Saloon dot com....Anybody who uses words like"heteronormative" is a LGBTTRANS stooge.

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (+T4jH)

287 when I tear something apart, I just put everything in a 5 gallon bucket

more a challenge

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (us2H3)

288 282 They don't give a shit. The environmental rape required for the batteries far outweighs the drilling and refining of oil for fuel.

They deny all knowledge of that inconvenient truth.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (9gDA7)

========

I remember when the left hated strip mining.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

289 269. I like Musk. He has spectrum, and does not hide it. He is a true visionary, but sadly he will be skynet someday, or at least his research will be

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:45 AM (gwrBY)

290 Environmental Rape?

Lol.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:45 AM (D36pu)

291 I have an electric Fiat 500... a 2014. Still works great. Hasn't caught fire ... yet. (Fingers crossed).
Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby

--

Not to get too precise, but is it your only car?

Also roughly what area of the country (temperature-wise) and what range do you routinely see?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (oZ23Y)

292 They don't give a shit. The environmental rape required for the batteries far outweighs the drilling and refining of oil for fuel.

They deny all knowledge of that inconvenient truth.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (9gDA7)

It is a pretty stupid movie

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)

293
Musk is a hack like the rest of them.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:34 AM (9gDA7)"

Musk is willing to hoover money from retards that buy the hype in order to fund his projects.

I can't say I blame him; I have zero sympathy for these people.
Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (uGpeQ)

I'm pretty sure that Musk looks at Tesla as the grift that's a necessary evil in order to fund the really important things

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (n+4am)

294 Guess what the percentage of cars registered in CA are EV’s? And remember, it’s the highest state in the nation.

2%

The EV revolution will not be televised. It’s gaslighting all the way.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (JTwsP)

Is that 2% of "cars" or "vehicles" in CA? Legit asking because you see a lot of Teslas in the cities, but even then, is it 1 in 50 cars?

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (hCzfy)

295 300k kitchen? Daaaaaayum.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (Q6+6K)

296 I think about nuclear powered neighborhoods.
Screw thirsty power companies & EPA.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (lCWOD)

297 Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:30 AM (I/Qkd)

Such a rock solid super mega conservative yet thought the 2020 election was on the up and up until he decided to run for president.

I don't know even a mildly conservative soul that didn't know what that election was as soon as morning broke. And I live in a deep blue shithole.

Another grifter. They come to our side because we're easy sales.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (uwEOC)

298 Musk is an abused car salesman

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (us2H3)

299 271 Heh. Better than an easy swap battery for an EV. I still remember old Mad Magazine articles. They did a parody on Car and Driver. Introduced was the Micro Mini Midget V Zero from Japan. Noted were the gauges that were paper glued to the dash. They couldn't determine gas mileage as it was powered by a giant wind up key sticking out of the trunk.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (0EOe9)

300 I'm waiting for the EVs to go suicidal sentient and burn down the frigging plants that make them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (VwHCD)

301 "And tax dollars. Don't forget about the sweet, sweet tax dollars.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:39 AM (9gDA7)"

If they're going to print trillions of dollars I'm fine with Musk conning them out of a bunch if he keeps poking them in the eye with a stick.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (uGpeQ)

302 Read the other day that something like 13 people in NYC have been killed in apartment fires caused by batteries from bike and scooters.

--

More than ARs-15s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (oZ23Y)

303 Is that 2% of "cars" or "vehicles" in CA? Legit asking because you see a lot of Teslas in the cities, but even then, is it 1 in 50 cars?
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (hCzfy)

I see a couple Teslas around here in Lexington.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (zZu0s)

304 Another grifter. They come to our side because we're easy sales.

Speak for yourself.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (I/Qkd)

305 Musk believes in James Cameron's mind. He sees Avatar in the future

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (gwrBY)

306
It is a pretty stupid movie
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)

Never saw it. I don't think I could stand listening to the lispy manbearpig for that long without eating a bullet.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (9gDA7)

307 But it's a dry heat.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (xSwrI)

308 Dear Penthouse letter on Saloon dot com....Anybody who uses words like"heteronormative" is a LGBTTRANS stooge.

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (+T4jH)

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It drives me crazy when people on our side (I'm looking at you, Prager) use the CIS bullshit in an accepted & serious manner ... I only ever use it mockingly.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (CYgrT)

309 Guess what the percentage of cars registered in CA are EV’s? And remember, it’s the highest state in the nation.

2%

The EV revolution will not be televised. It’s gaslighting all the way.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

At the end of 2021, there were just over 10 million.

Number of fossil fuel vehicles? 310 million registered vehicles.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (G8h7g)

310 292 It is a pretty stupid movie
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)

========

When I moved to Rome, I downloaded a bunch of movies, including An Inconvenient Truth, and burned them to DVDs with the intention of having a nice library of stuff to entertain me on nights when I didn't go out.

Never bothered to watch it, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (LvTSG)

311 Breaking! Teenage girls are as smart as gorillas!

https://tinyurl.com/23yzmn4d
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 11:42 AM (FVME7)
++++
For the wellbeing of gorilla troop, please refrain from showing them any videos or photos as some content can be upsetting and affect their relationships and behaviour within their family.

It's fine for you, though. Watch on.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (kBSKe)

312 @287

>>when I tear something apart, I just put everything in a 5 gallon bucket.

A 2rotor wankel can be rebuilt while sitting on a bucket.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (Ytv1P)

313 I learned how to shit the bed from Elon

Posted by: Amber Heard at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (us2H3)

314 Electric motors have many favorable characteristics compared to ICE engines (high torque at low RPM, quiet, high acceleration, high power-to-weight ratio, etc.). Electric batteries...not so much.

Second look at slot cars?

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (Sv58p)

315 220 Does your kitchen blow you?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:32 AM (DmtxH)

no, I got some cage girls for that

cheaper than a Viking
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Snort.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (LQjWA)

316 309 At the end of 2021, there were just over 10 million.

Number of fossil fuel vehicles? 310 million registered vehicles.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (G8h7g)

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There are more guns in American hands than cars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)

317 (Heh. Who you gonna sue?)
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Ghostbusters???

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (krqg6)

318 Musk went on to host Saturday Night Live, and did not back down when half the Karen cast boycotted. Told them FU and was actually funny

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (gwrBY)

319
They don't give a shit. The environmental rape required for the batteries far outweighs the drilling and refining of oil for fuel.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (9gDA7)

Well, The Environment shouldn't have been wearing that short, provocative dress on the street at 3am.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (n+4am)

320 2% of all cars since there are tens of millions of cars in the state. But for new cars sold EVs are 20% of the market in the state.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (Q6+6K)

321 I'm waiting for the EVs to go suicidal sentient and burn down the frigging plants that make them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (VwHCD)

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Out: SkyNet.
In: FryNet.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (CYgrT)

322 316. post of the week James. Spot on

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (gwrBY)

323 121
'I get banning men in women's sports due to the inherent physical advantages '

Maybe they can ban the guy because he's not a damn woman.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (2OL6m)

324 when I saw the above pic, I thought

man Great White is playing really small venues

They don't do that any more. Once bitten, twice shy.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (Bd6X8)

325 Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) - absolutely. Maybe he was thinking he didn't want to waste a fresh charge on hooking his camper back up....what an idiot.

Posted by: Mishdog at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (lmKVt)

326 Yeah, mining.

Toxic materials, for example, include lithium compounds, nickel compounds, arsenic compounds, and dimethoxyethane. CARARCINOGENIC (emphasis added) materials include nickel compounds, arsenic compounds, and (possibly) cobalt compounds, copper, and polypropylene.

"The U.S. currently only has one domestic nickel mine, the Eagle mine, an underground mine located in Michigan."

Where are the disposal points?

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (GshMh)

327 There's only one somewhat cool story I've heard about EV's. Some guy "summoned" his Tesla 3 in a flooded parking lot to his location on higher ground so he wouldn't get his $900 imported shoes wet. Putting the pretentiousness aside, that's pretty cool.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (Q4IgG)

328 It drives me crazy when people on our side (I'm looking at you, Prager) use the CIS bullshit in an accepted & serious manner ... I only ever use it mockingly.
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (CYgrT)

Hugh Hewitt lost me a long while back when he never could quit Romney.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (zZu0s)

329 Just imagine the sort of rewiring that has to be done in order to get a motel with 100 rooms redone in order to accommodate 100 EV chargers at 70 amps per charger (which is what I understand the amperage is to be with these rechargers).

One would think one was staying at the local electrical substation instead of a motel.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at August 18, 2023 11:44 AM (xxG/v)

You're gonna need 1.21 gigawatts.

Posted by: Doc Brown at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (4I/2K)

330 Just saw on Varney that a town in CA is trying to criminalize speech at their school board. If a board member feels 'tormented' by what you say, you can go to jail for a year.

And so it begins.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (lzsrv)

331 How much of the electric used for Ev's still comes from coal. How do you charge when Chinese hackers take out our power grids?

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:50 AM (gwrBY)

332 I love mining and mines and deep undergound military bases and the machines to do it.

Gets my blood pumping.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:50 AM (D36pu)

333 326 Yeah, mining.

Toxic materials, for example, include lithium compounds, nickel compounds, arsenic compounds, and dimethoxyethane. CARARCINOGENIC (emphasis added) materials include nickel compounds, arsenic compounds, and (possibly) cobalt compounds, copper, and polypropylene.

"The U.S. currently only has one domestic nickel mine, the Eagle mine, an underground mine located in Michigan."

Where are the disposal points?
Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (GshMh)

OH! I KNOW!

East Palestine, OH.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:50 AM (zZu0s)

334 There are millions of EVs on the road. And there are what a handful of fires? I think the issue may be a wee bit overstated. The way some of you here act you’d think 1/4 of all California homes would be on fire right now.
Posted by: Montec

If your EV goes up the failure rate for you 1 out of 1.
If you're parked near an EV and your car goes up when it does you're now in insurance hell.

Using California as an example of anything involving electricity (or any fuel) is not a winning argument.
CA: hey we're short on power in the grid, we're sucking your EV battery down to *help* everyone else.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 11:50 AM (u4sKi)

335 The obvious alternative - to sling it below the chassis - would work, but that then puts the fairly vulnerable battery right above the road surface while also reducing ground clearance. Not a great combination (not for cars, anyway - trucks, maybe).
Posted by: Joe Mannix

It's called a 'skateboard' chassis, proposed design from the 90's. And the Rivan EVs are supposedly built on such. Problem being that in order to bring them to market, it's essentially become a regular chassis and frame, normie design.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:50 AM (IG4Id)

336 2% of all cars since there are tens of millions of cars in the state. But for new cars sold EVs are 20% of the market in the state.
Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (Q6+6K)

Well, California is full of stupid Democrats. It figures.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:51 AM (2Y6tK)

337 EVs are explosively dangerous, they are almost impossible to extinguish when they catch fire, and they are so fragile that the slightest damage to an EV will require it to be totaled.
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But other an that and very limited range, poor cold weather performance, limited charging stations, long charging times, and being super expensive, what's not to love?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 18, 2023 11:51 AM (17s+e)

338 Good thread. Thanks.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 18, 2023 11:51 AM (GshMh)

339 And 50%+ of the EV registrations are to government, corporate, or fleets.

It's all a scam.

EVERYONE WANTS ONE!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:51 AM (oZ23Y)

340 252 Taking exit 8 into Wahiawa.
Haven’t seen any reports yet but this fire is getting bigger
https://tinyurl.com/39bf6333
Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:38 AM (lCWOD)

Oh no...that was where we first lived (Whitmore Village, technically) when my dad was stationed at Hickam in '68-69. I was just there exactly one year ago as a "Return to Hawaii 5-0" vaycay. That area is pretty much the same as when I was originally there — the flashbacks hit hard!

Posted by: goozer at August 18, 2023 11:51 AM (zyV51)

341 Could you imagine no electricity in this Country for only 3 days? Iphone addicts jumping off buildings, cities would burn

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (gwrBY)

342 324 when I saw the above pic, I thought

man Great White is playing really small venues

They don't do that any more. Once bitten, twice shy.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (Bd6X

you just made me shit the bed

Posted by: Amber Heard at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (us2H3)

343 I think I'm going to include a clause in the lease that no electric vehicles can be parked on any of my rental properties.

Posted by: The Walking Dude
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Excellent idea. I'm going to add that too.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (17s+e)

344 Breaking! Teenage girls are as smart as gorillas!
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I have something in my eye, Penny.

Would you mind sorting theses coins for me by size?

Posted by: Dr Amy Farrah Fowler at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (krqg6)

345 There are more guns in American hands than cars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)

There are more guns in American hands than there are American hands.

Not literally, of course. That would just be awkward.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (bfrvo)

346 The Bee hits another homer.

https://tinyurl.com/2c75jkyy

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (I/Qkd)

347 There's only one somewhat cool story I've heard about EV's. Some guy "summoned" his Tesla 3 in a flooded parking lot to his location on higher ground so he wouldn't get his $900 imported shoes wet.

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This type of Tesla owner gives the other 1% a bad reputation.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (oZ23Y)

348 @331

>> How much of the electric used for Ev's still comes from coal. How do you charge when Chinese hackers take out our power grids?

Well, Gillian powered a washing machine while riding a bicycle, which begs the question, if the CastAways could build a washing machine and a bicycle to power it, why couldn't they patch a hole in a boat?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (Ytv1P)

349
you just made me shit the bed
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (us2H3)

I think you do that on your own accord......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:53 AM (9gDA7)

350 There are more guns in American hands than cars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Yeah. All of my guns put together cost less than my wife's F150.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:53 AM (G8h7g)

351 15 minute city

https://tinyurl.com/25xuhfmn

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2023 11:53 AM (AwYPR)

352 It's possible to hate Cabal and the globohomo neo-libs without hating EVs.

All this anti-EV stuff is weird Rube Goldberg lashing out to me.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:53 AM (D36pu)

353 I thought teenage girls are experts at global warming?

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 11:53 AM (sG4Hj)

354 330. Right, but don't blame the marxists, blame the rational people in the town who stay

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:53 AM (gwrBY)

355 It is an interesting observation that we hear about EVs burning all the times, but not hybrids, despite also having large batteries that are frequently charged and drained. Wonder what the difference is? Sure, the hybrid batteries are relatively smaller, so they won't burn as much, but a catastrophic battery failure would still leave a burned-out husk.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (JCZqz)

356 which begs the question, if the CastAways could build a washing machine and a bicycle to power it, why couldn't they patch a hole in a boat?
Posted by: Thomas Bender

I think someone wrote a dark fan-fict of Gilligan's Island in which the Professor was secretly sabotaging every one of their 'attempts' at leaving because he was a horn-dog.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (IG4Id)

357
I think I'm going to include a clause in the lease that no electric vehicles can be parked on any of my rental properties.

Posted by: The Walking Dude
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Excellent idea. I'm going to add that too.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger

Just claim insurance liability.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (G8h7g)

358 I think I'm going to include a clause in the lease that no electric vehicles can be parked on any of my rental properties.

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State level officials are noticeably silent on the matter. I know they're desparate to court industries and jobs (looking at you, SC), but you would think making an effort to protect the freedom and income of your residents would be a bit higher on the pole than crowing about giving tax breaks to a car manufacturer so that 300 people out of 5M got a $40K/year job.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (oZ23Y)

359 352. its the hypocricy that burns me. Wind power does not produce enough to charge the cars, so they rely on old energy like coal to charge the cars.

Same shit as Lurch Kerry flying private to a climate conference

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (gwrBY)

360 Nuclear Powered Airships.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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I have visited the abandoned site where Lockheed worked on developing nuclear powered aircraft.

" The remains of the Georgia Nuclear Aircraft Laboratory, once named Air Force Plant #67, are still standing and they will give you the heebie jeebies. The lab, owned by Lockheed, was opened in the 1950s to check if the nuclear aircraft actually did its job."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc, etc. at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (tUUeN)

361 I never pay attention to the cars where I park. I suppose I ought to, now. I don't know what to be on the lookout for.

I can see federal mandates for EVs applied in the same way for handicapped parking. The specially designated spaces will be far from combustible structures and will mostly be a sandpit with possible halon extinguishers.

All businesses will be required to have a number of these spaces based on some BS formula of spaces and building occupancy.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (p8A+W)

362 359 352. its the hypocricy that burns me. Wind power does not produce enough to charge the cars, so they rely on old energy like coal to charge the cars.

Same shit as Lurch Kerry flying private to a climate conference
Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (gwrBY)

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EVs in states that are majority nuclear are kinda cool, I think. Nuclear powered cars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

363 Hybrids are actually a great application of battery technology to cars, which is why they sell without subsidies.
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And that pushing EVs to save the world is b.s. because a satisfactory compromise is ignored, like nuke power rather than e.g. coal. [Although the Greens are sniffing around embracing nuke as the contradiction is pretty hard to ignore.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (krqg6)

364 Well, Gillian powered a washing machine while riding a bicycle, which begs the question, if the CastAways could build a washing machine and a bicycle to power it, why couldn't they patch a hole in a boat?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:52 AM (Ytv1P)

The Professor should have built a trampoline-powered washing machine, and had Ginger bounce on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (2Y6tK)

365 For the want of an EV
The garage was lost...you know how the story goes

Posted by: Ben Had at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (RclUg)

366 350 There are more guns in American hands than cars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

We're doing our damndest to change that!!!! We just need more time and power!!!

Posted by: Rabid Leftists in Power at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (JCZqz)

367 324 when I saw the above pic, I thought

man Great White is playing really small venues

They don't do that any more. Once bitten, twice shy.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (Bd6X

my, my, my...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (xcxpd)

368 309 At the end of 2021, there were just over 10 million.

Number of fossil fuel vehicles? 310 million registered vehicles.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:47 AM (G8h7g)

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There are more guns in American hands than cars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)
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Which device killed more people, guns or cars?

Outlawing cars is for your own safety comrades.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (17s+e)

369 Where are the disposal points?

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 18, 2023 11:49 AM (GshMh)

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We'll ship them to China for another small fortune, where they'll promptly dump them in the ocean.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (CYgrT)

370 It's possible to hate Cabal and the globohomo neo-libs without hating EVs.

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The globalists were the ones who decided to link the two.

People don't care about EVs (literally). Having working and affordable products removed from the market so that you are forced into EVs? That's where the anger is coming from.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (oZ23Y)

371 355 It is an interesting observation that we hear about EVs burning all the times, but not hybrids, despite also having large batteries that are frequently charged and drained. Wonder what the difference is? Sure, the hybrid batteries are relatively smaller, so they won't burn as much, but a catastrophic battery failure would still leave a burned-out husk.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (JCZqz)

Am I retarded or did hybrids used to be lead-acid, not lithium?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (zZu0s)

372 356
I think someone wrote a dark fan-fict of Gilligan's Island in which the Professor was secretly sabotaging every one of their 'attempts' at leaving because he was a horn-dog.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 11:55 AM (IG4Id)

Who knew Mrs. Howell was a screamer.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (N39Ws)

373 I think I'm going to include a clause in the lease that no electric vehicles can be parked on any of my rental properties.

Posted by: The Walking Dude

*clause is waivable if the $400,000 deposit is paid in full

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (9gDA7)

374 My '96 Camry has under 100K on it, I plan to drive it at least another 100K. (but the tyrants might make the parts illegal to buy?). A very small electric car would be fun if they were cheap and safe, for local trips ... that is not really an option though.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (Cus5s)

375 My first car was a '59 VW. 36 screaming ponies under the hood.
Trashed it and moved up to a...Corvair. Drove that POS for three years.
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For its time is was pretty good value for the dollar. Also, sporty. Easy to work on.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (DmtxH)

376 341 I phone addicts can't keep their phones charged when the electricity is up and running. It's simple. Every night you plug it in and when it's charged you unplug it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (0EOe9)

377 363 Although the Greens are sniffing around embracing nuke as the contradiction is pretty hard to ignore.]
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (krqg6)

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Anti-nuke is a hippie thing. It got baked into the cake as low-level programming for the left that was just accepted without any real thought for a few generations.

That kind of thinking becomes easy to undo when the establishment decides. "Nukes? I thought they were bad, but if Taylor Swift is saying that it's good, then it must be. She knows what she's talking about."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (LvTSG)

378 But other an that and very limited range, poor cold weather performance, limited charging stations, long charging times, and being super expensive, what's not to love?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

Add warm temps to the issues, heat pump AC units need a bit of power too.

It is a *tad* warm here just now, yesterday I saw a Tesla with all it's windows open while being driven. It was *only* 105F at the time.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (u4sKi)

379 Prince William will not attend the Womens World Cup in Sydney, to see the British girls in the final, because the climate nuts have gone after him on private jets. He and his dufus father are Climate alarmists

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (gwrBY)

380 We'll ship them to China for another small fortune, where they'll promptly dump them in the ocean.
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher

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Ah, I see we have someone here who has studied the recycling industry since the 80s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:58 AM (oZ23Y)

381 People don't care about EVs (literally). Having working and affordable products removed from the market so that you are forced into EVs? That's where the anger is coming from.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (oZ23Y)

Right. Clearly. But it is still Rube Goldberg nonsense. It just is. Goofy lashing out in an orthoganal direction.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 11:58 AM (D36pu)

382 Fellow tried to commit suicide and take his family with him. He drove the Tesla off a 300 ft cliff.
They all survived - only minor injuries.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 18, 2023 11:58 AM (lCWOD)

383 All businesses will be required to have a number of these spaces based on some BS formula of spaces and building occupancy.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

My building currently has four charging stations. What happens when 75% of vehicles are electric? Who pays for upgrades to the charging system and electricity?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 11:58 AM (G8h7g)

384 Ev's are for the rich to drive around in their tony suburbs, not anywhere else

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:58 AM (gwrBY)

385 >>My first car was a '59 VW. 36 screaming ponies under the hood.

And they caught on fire just fine. VW was way ahead of their time!

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 11:58 AM (6ox+6)

386 @352

>>All this anti-EV stuff is weird Rube Goldberg lashing out to me.

Fun Fact:

The first cars were electric cars.

The reason we don't drive electric cars today is because the invisible pimp hand spoke about the utility of electric automobiles over a hundred years ago.

They are expensive, resource heavy, dependent upon scarce exotic materials, impractical and inefficient.

Other than that they are great.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:59 AM (Ytv1P)

387 383. You do, thru local taxes

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 11:59 AM (gwrBY)

388
My first car was a '59 VW. 36 screaming ponies under the hood.
Trashed it and moved up to a...Corvair. Drove that POS for three years.
Posted by: Diogenes

Hood(?!) mine had a spare tire under the hood.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 11:59 AM (u4sKi)

389 I have never driven through the Eastern WA Welcome Center (I-90) and NOT seen an old VW on fire on the shoulder.

Not once.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 12:00 PM (6ox+6)

390 Right. Clearly. But it is still Rube Goldberg nonsense. It just is. Goofy lashing out in an orthoganal direction.
Posted by: Thesokorus

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It would be no different than California deciding that everyone needed to purchase a 5 series BMW after 2035 or a used Bentley (which is probably more accurate considering availability).

People are making fun of EVs because they've become the symbol of globalism that is directly affecting households. It allows a focus.

It makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 12:00 PM (oZ23Y)

391 Anti-nuke is a hippie thing. It got baked into the cake as low-level programming for the left that was just accepted without any real thought for a few generations.

That kind of thinking becomes easy to undo when the establishment decides. "Nukes? I thought they were bad, but if Taylor Swift is saying that it's good, then it must be. She knows what she's talking about."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 11:57 AM (LvTSG)

The Green Mvmnt was CIA from early on. The CIA always hated nuke power for various "reasons". Some actually almost legit.

See Enrico Mattei

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 12:00 PM (D36pu)

392 Fun Fact:

The first cars were electric cars.

The reason we don't drive electric cars today is because the invisible pimp hand spoke about the utility of electric automobiles over a hundred years ago.

They are expensive, resource heavy, dependent upon scarce exotic materials, impractical and inefficient.

Other than that they are great.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 11:59 AM (Ytv1P)

Similar story with Ethanol. It's shit as a gasoline replacement and they know it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (9gDA7)

393 Second look at steam powered cars?

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (KYN8a)

394 385 >>My first car was a '59 VW. 36 screaming ponies under the hood.
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And they caught on fire just fine. VW was way ahead of their time!
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Don't forget about the Renault Dauphine. It had four doors!

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (DmtxH)

395 Imagine it is 1975, during the energy shortage, and the elitists are told to no use their air conditioning for a month in Manhattan

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (gwrBY)

396 So when is the last time any of you saw a QUESTION AUTHORITY bumper sticker?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (oZ23Y)

397
Hood(?!) mine had a spare tire under the hood.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 11:59 AM (u4sKi)

Woot woot in the boot.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (9gDA7)

398 Nood. ace. Biden. Corruption.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (zZu0s)

399 149

'the maniacs in charge have no discipline or feel they needed to and are attempting to cram this garbage down our throats.'

This throw away line describes very well the mentality we are confronted with. A mindless jihad for power.
It is an affront to reason as well as decency.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 18, 2023 12:01 PM (2OL6m)

400 People and insurance companies avoid homes with aluminum wiring because of the accepted conventional wisdom that they have the potential to spark a fire. Government bans the use for new homes. There are tens of thousands of these existing homes and though it's probably happened, I've never read or heard a story of an aluminum wired home burning down as a result of the aluminum wiring.

There are stories almost every week of a EV catching fire . And the government is pushing these fire hazards on the people.

Posted by: polynikes at August 18, 2023 12:02 PM (Srp34)

401 Las Vegas and Phoenix could not survive without Nuclear power

Posted by: Jonah at August 18, 2023 12:02 PM (gwrBY)

402 Nood boss.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 12:02 PM (G8h7g)

403 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 12:02 PM (9gDA7)

404 When does CA mandate ALL Bicycles sold need to be Penny-Farthings?

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 12:02 PM (6ox+6)

405 And, as we are beginning to learn, making fun of things is a pretty effective strategy.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 12:02 PM (oZ23Y)

406 I for one want all of the President's motorcade to go electric to set an example for the rest of the nation.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 18, 2023 12:03 PM (lHxjg)

407 It allows a focus.

It makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 12:00 PM (oZ23Y)

It's an orthoganal focus and goofy and silly.

It's a distraction.

De-industrialization is the issue.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 12:03 PM (D36pu)

408 Similar story with Ethanol. It's shit as a gasoline replacement and they know it.
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Besides winning Iowa electorally, it also has to be fresh. Good old gasoline would store forever. Seems the common thread here is human control not science and practicality.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 12:03 PM (DmtxH)

409 Reuters: EV lithium-ion batteries burn with twice the energy of a normal fire

Nice and sciencey, Reuters.

What's a "normal fire?" A normal vehicle? Building? Campfire? BBQ grill? (Gas or charcoal?)

"Twice the energy" by what measures? Volume of combustibles? Mass of combustibles? Total energy produced? Energy per unit time? Since it's Reuters, maybe temperature in Fahrenheit or Celsius?

Posted by: mikeski at August 18, 2023 12:03 PM (DgGvY)

410 Republicans: That’s crazy talk. Anything more than banning 80% of cars is a non starter with us.

Fundraising email from GOP the next day: send $100 ASAP so we can save car ownership for you.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 11:16 AM (Q6+6K)

Nailed it.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 12:03 PM (Mzdiz)

411 They are expensive, resource heavy, dependent upon scarce exotic materials, impractical and inefficient.

Other than that they are great.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Hmm, your points seem orthaganal.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2023 12:04 PM (fs1hN)

412 I was out in Arizona, and pulled into a fast food place for coffee, Holbrook AZ IIRC. The place had a charging station, and there was two identical Teslas with two identical +29 drivers. Guys must have been twins. Their wives seemed upset about a lot of things. All of them were wrestling roadmaps in the high desert wind (like Tesla doesn't have map) and I think a junket with the new cars had gone sour.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 12:04 PM (0EOe9)

413 406 I for one want all of the President's motorcade to go electric to set an example for the rest of the nation.
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Make Air Force 1 run on electricity. Problem solved.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 12:04 PM (ifUkZ)

414 I can see federal mandates for EVs applied in the same way for handicapped parking. The specially designated spaces will be far from combustible structures and will mostly be a sandpit with possible halon extinguishers.

All businesses will be required to have a number of these spaces based on some BS formula of spaces and building occupancy.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 18, 2023 11:56 AM (p8A+W)

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Old & Busted: Runaway Truck Ramps.
New Hotness: Runaway Fire Pits.

/That's a LOT of new shovel-ready jobs, comrades!

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 18, 2023 12:07 PM (CYgrT)

415 Second look at steam powered cars?
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I want a steam-powered "horse"!
https://tinyurl.com/4c2mfv5m

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 12:07 PM (krqg6)

416 413 Weird Kraut planes of WW2. Der Fliegender Kraft Werke. Brakes, control surfaces, everything electric except propulsion electric.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2023 12:08 PM (0EOe9)

417 The Mahindra just needs a Warn overdrive option to give it highway speed.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2023 12:12 PM (lTGtQ)

418 It's an orthoganal focus and goofy and silly.

It's a distraction.

De-industrialization is the issue.
Posted by: Thesokorus

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And without people making fun of them and pointing out how soundly they reject them...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 12:13 PM (oZ23Y)

419 Venn diagram of the people who rushed out to buy EVs and people who rushed out to get vaccinated.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 11:12 AM (KbCG3)

Heh.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 12:14 PM (BdMk6)

420 At the airport on Wednesday, I walked past a Maserati. And, reflexively, I said:

“My Maserati goes one-eighty-five. I lost my license, now I don’t drive.”

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 18, 2023 12:50 PM (f0XAF)

421
If I had a billion, I'd make a new jeep; plain jane, no-frills ICE car, sold flat-pack. Steel body, double wish-bone, manual (duh), e'rrything serviceable......I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but some guy in the Philippines beat you to it. Reproductions of WW2 jeeps...I was going to check if they are importable

https://mdjuan.com.ph/

Posted by: David H at August 18, 2023 01:25 PM (tahWp)

422 I know there are more than a few morons here nervously reading all this and thinking about the Tesla in the garage.

Posted by: SamIam at August 18, 2023 03:20 PM (oasF3)

423 So, if gas powered cars are referred to as internal combustion vehicles, can we start calling electric cars external combustion vehicles?

Posted by: Ben Sears at August 18, 2023 03:44 PM (Qpf3u)

424 Park a whole lot of them under the UN problem Solved

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 18, 2023 05:30 PM (wGqjj)

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