The Degradation of Art...Appreciation, and a question about culture [TJM]

Digging through the news to find some bit of culture to talk about, I stumbled across this article titled Our great art institutions have reduced British history to a scrapheap of shame by Hong Kong native Calvin Po.

It's an interesting look at the current state of the National Portrait Gallery and Tate Britain in London today. As Po says:

This summer, both the National Portrait Gallery and Tate Britain are presenting new displays that are meant to reflect the 'inclusive' and 'diverse' identities of Britain.

So, what does this immigrant to Britain think of how contemporary British cultural institutions are treating British culture?

Supposedly, I fit nicely among their target audience. In reality, as an immigrant looking to be included in this nation, I am perplexed by my visits. For two publicly funded museums tasked with telling the story of this country through the portraiture of its eminent figures and its art, their curators seem unsure if this is a nation worth being a part of, and if there's a fair story to tell about it.

We often talk about this sort of approach to culture through more popular art like film, but here we have an interesting look at how the high end art world is treating British history and art specifically. It's about as finger-waggingly nagging and embarrassed of actual history as you might expect.

A shame then that the wall texts think so little of the artwork itself. Portraits of the long-dead are chided for their connections to colonisation and slavery. John Locke's anti-slavery liberal theories, for instance, are caveated by his involvement in Carolina's constitution. William Gladstone's democratic reforms are negated by the existence of his father's slave plantations. It's hard to figure out what this scattershot approach to history adds to the understanding of visitors, other than serving as a nagging sign of the curators' moral high ground. I am reminded of Mao's Red Guards digging up the remains of historical figures to denounce them as counter-revolutionary.

It's an interesting look at the cultural fight of today through a new lens, and I encourage you all to read the whole thing. And yet, it brings me back to a question that I've been asking on and off in the comments for a little while now:

What is the difference between cultural institutions and culture?

If the institutions say one thing, but the culture at large does not abide, what is the point of the cultural institution? I'm not necessarily implying that the average Briton is gung-ho about preserving the historical record, but I somehow doubt that there's much fervor for erasing it either. To bump up my idea, I searched out a YouGov poll (spit) asking Britons what they think of Empire, and here are the results I found:

32% think that empire is something to be proud of
37% think that empire is nothing to be either proud of or ashamed of
19% think that empire is something to be ashamed of
12% don't know

So, essentially, the cultural institutions, as represented by the National Portrait Gallery and the Tate Britain, represent 19% of the British public while 69% don't think empire is anything to be ashamed of while the final 12% just couldn't be bothered. Does that sound familiar? It probably should.

So, what is the cultural institution doing? Is it leading? I assume they are, and I assume that decades of these efforts have had their effect and will continue so, but Britain has been navel-gazing about its role in colonialism for a long time. And still, only 19% feel ashamed for Britain's role in empire?

Where does culture begin and where does it end? If a cultural institution demands one thing be true, and the culture at large ignores it, what is the point of the cultural institution anymore?

Kings only rule as long as they behave like kings, and so do cultural institutions, maybe.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:00 PM

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1 Proud to be #1?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 12:01 PM (Q4IgG)

2 Stopped to read the content.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 15, 2023 12:02 PM (QNSds)

3 Destroy their history, destroy their patriotism.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 12:03 PM (5xURv)

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Proud to be #1?
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Should be ashamed!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 15, 2023 12:04 PM (63Dwl)

5 Supposedly, I fit nicely among their target audience. In reality, as an immigrant looking to be included in this nation, I am perplexed by my visits. For two publicly funded museums tasked with telling the story of this country through the portraiture of its eminent figures and its art, their curators seem unsure if this is a nation worth being a part of, and if there's a fair story to tell about it.
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The curators are caught between a rock and a hard place.

As contemporary academics, they know that it is *not* a nation worth being a part of, and the only fair way to tell the story about it is to denigrate it as much as possible.

As government employees ostensibly beholden to the public, they have to package up the message as best they can while pretending to revere the works they display.

This inner conflict is what results in the ambiguity and vagueness Po observed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:04 PM (WkNQM)

6 Interesting girthy content and a rookie to boot.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 12:04 PM (zbP2D)

7 Good Afternoon.

Posted by: Fat Ass on an Ottoman at August 15, 2023 12:04 PM (BIG3/)

8 I've said that a culture that will not defend itself does not deserve to survive.

The British Empire is proving that there is a lot of ruin in a nation - but there can't be much left.

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:05 PM (Jk9SN)

9 For further reading on the subject may I suggest the following book?

The Rape of the Masters: How Political Correctness Sabotages Art by Roger Kimball. Originally published in 2004.

There really is no difference between what is being done to classical art today than how the Nazis judged some art to be 'degenerate.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 15, 2023 12:05 PM (CyPqT)

10 All the diamonds disappeared!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 12:05 PM (zbP2D)

11 Banksy is the only artist they care about now

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:05 PM (IjPMX)

12 There's a lot of people living in former Brit colonies that are now shitholes and probably wish London was still running the show.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:05 PM (0EOe9)

13 Whenever I hear the word "culture", I release the safety on my Browning.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 15, 2023 12:05 PM (hqgX1)

14 Digging through the news to find some bit of culture to talk about, I stumbled across this article titled Our great art institutions have reduced British history to a scrapheap of shame by Hong Kong native Calvin Po.

You should see the documentary by Sum Ting Wong.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 15, 2023 12:06 PM (iH7eX)

15 the cultural institutions, as represented by the National Portrait Gallery and the Tate Britain, represent 19% of the British public while 69% don't think empire is anything to be ashamed of while the final 12% just couldn't be bothered.

I'm not surprised the National Potrait Gallery is a woke Leftist nightmare, but I'd expect Andrew Tate to get Tate Britain more conservative and based.

Posted by: MGTOW Moron at August 15, 2023 12:06 PM (JCZqz)

16 There's a lot of people living in former Brit colonies that are now shitholes and probably wish London was still running the show.

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Like Baltimore?

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 15, 2023 12:06 PM (sX1BW)

17 So, what is the cultural institution doing? Is it leading? I assume they are, and I assume that decades of these efforts have had their effect and will continue so, but Britain has been navel-gazing about its role in colonialism for a long time. And still, only 19% feel ashamed for Britain's role in empire?
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It's propagandizing. It's what all contemporary institutions do.

The leftists are top-down people, to a man. They want the commanding heights because they firmly believe that once they're in possession of the commanding heights, they can dictate reality to the masses without being questioned. Nothing cannot be overcome from the commanding heights. "Grassroots" is a fiction and everything and everyone follows the leader.

This is part of that effort. They may only reflect 19% today, but if they keep going then they'll have 100% tomorrow. The culture will shift to match the institutions. It has to, because they run the institutions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:06 PM (WkNQM)

18 12 There's a lot of people living in former Brit colonies that are now shitholes and probably wish London was still running the show.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

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I know this for a fact. I have been told this by multiple immigrants from Africa.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:07 PM (6BfIu)

19 There's a lot of people living in former Brit colonies that are now shitholes and probably wish London was still running the show.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

F y'all. No givebacks.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 15, 2023 12:07 PM (iH7eX)

20 what's todays fresh hell?

Posted by: DanMan at August 15, 2023 12:07 PM (DB6tu)

21 The FUSA's museum would be video of Saint Floyd given the state of today's dumbasses running them.

We could have Prometheus, though, so it ain't all bad.

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 15, 2023 12:07 PM (3CCua)

22 And the people running the show when the British Empire was at peak were very diverse. They spoke English and German. Mostly German around the house.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:07 PM (0EOe9)

23 Rhodesia, South Africa, Hong Kong just to name a few.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 15, 2023 12:08 PM (CyPqT)

24 Political correctness is the means, not the end.

The end is destroying nationalism which tends to prevent overthrow of democracy.

Get everyone pissed at their own country and everyone agrees it needs to be changed.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 12:08 PM (5xURv)

25 17 This is part of that effort. They may only reflect 19% today, but if they keep going then they'll have 100% tomorrow. The culture will shift to match the institutions. It has to, because they run the institutions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:06 PM (WkNQM)

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That's obviously their mentality, but the anti-empire sentiment is not something new from the top tiers of British culture. They've been actively embarrassed by their history probably for as long as I've been alive. Maybe it was the Falklands that acted as some kind of fulcrum.

If this has been going on for about 40 years, and if only 19% of the country is buying it, is it working? What can we say of the "culture" of Britain regarding its views of empire?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

26 I look forward to an interesting and inclusive thread.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (bQKgA)

27 Calvin's right. These fake institutions do a disservice to the host country they maul from the inside. They do a disservice to the outsiders they infantilize and marginalize through soft bigotry. They also set one against the other. And they do a disservice to everyone by elevating the vulgar to the sacred.

It's almost... it's almost as if they just hate everyone who isn't in their narrow-minded, cloistered class. If I didn't know better, anyway.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (0FoWg)

28 Hang some wog art for people who were commanded to not look at art. Bold move, Cotton.

Posted by: Eromero at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (NxC5+)

29 Like Baltimore?
Posted by: SH

All of the original colonies.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (zbP2D)

30 If this has been going on for about 40 years, and if only 19% of the country is buying it, is it working? What can we say of the "culture" of Britain regarding its views of empire?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
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That it hasn't had time to work yet!

The progs in charge of every institution *will* drag you down the shining path or die trying.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (WkNQM)

31 This may seem a little silly.

But I was rewatching The Jerk the other day.
It was rather lowbrow for its day.

But a lot of the gags and jokes were more sophisticated than today's comedies, I thought.

Anyway, "I was born a poor black child" is a fantastic opening to Steve Martin's autobiography.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (wbBkh)

32 British culture, it is a changin'

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (IjPMX)

33 27 It's almost... it's almost as if they just hate everyone who isn't in their narrow-minded, cloistered class. If I didn't know better, anyway.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (0FoWg)

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That would imply that the higher echelons of modern institutions have been captured by a nihilistic worldview that sees humanity itself as an evil upon the natural world.

I shan't believe it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

34 Dat headscarf....he's trying too hard

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:10 PM (xcxpd)

35 It's almost... it's almost as if they just hate everyone who isn't in their narrow-minded, cloistered class. If I didn't know better, anyway.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (0FoWg)
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Thankfully you do, comrade!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:10 PM (WkNQM)

36 This is part of that effort. They may only reflect 19% today, but if they keep going then they'll have 100% tomorrow. The culture will shift to match the institutions. It has to, because they run the institutions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Nope, the culture current is running out on them and that is why they are panicking and hitting the authoritarian button. Won't save them. Cultural Marxism is only appealing to the managerial class, not to the majority of the population.

Even with attempts to sustain it via authoritarianism, it will fail too because of incompetence, infighting, running out of money to graft, and so on.

There is no historical determinism worth its salt that we can confidently predict the End of History as Fukiyama is reluctantly admitting nowadays.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:10 PM (6BfIu)

37 Our cultural institutions are pretty much hollowed out anal cavities or bonus holes right now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)

38 Art. zzz...

Posted by: Dr.Claw at August 15, 2023 12:11 PM (uFrU+)

39 In case anyone missed it, Bing recently celebrated Indigenous Art Day.

Let that sink in, especially if you replace the word Indigenous with Primitive.

Insulting isn't it but by changing one word some people can be fooled into thinking they are being praised.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (CyPqT)

40
Puppies are piteously crying out for glazed donuts.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (MoZTd)

41 Yeah. "Our Democracy" doesn't have room for nations and ethne and races and religions and voting or factual history.

The global elite LITERALLY can't do their job with that malarkey going on.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (CB76e)

42 Nope, the culture current is running out on them and that is why they are panicking and hitting the authoritarian button. Won't save them. Cultural Marxism is only appealing to the managerial class, not to the majority of the population.

Even with attempts to sustain it via authoritarianism, it will fail too because of incompetence, infighting, running out of money to graft, and so on.

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Finally some optimism on this board.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (sX1BW)

43 The politicization of museums is one of the more disgusting trends of the last 20 years

I just got back from Somerset House, in which the reopened Courtaud gallery lives. It's a spectacular small museum...one of the greatest on earth.

Across the courtyard was an exhibition called "Black Venus." Yeah...a glimpse of the last 200 years of art from the perspective of Black women and nonbinaries.

F*ck you. Insert race into art and I am your enemy.

But I will be at both The Tate Britain and the National Portrait Gallery this week, so we shall see!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (A3700)

44 You will be made to suck that dick

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (iFTx/)

45 Fuck a bunch of history/culture...we're all about virtue signaling now...and we decide who/what is virtuous.

Posted by: BignJames at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (AwYPR)

46 Britain, like the US, has decided to allow massive immigration from primitive dogshit cultures that should be isolated or eradicated rather than incorporated. If you bring dogshit cultures into your own, your own will become dogshit too, rather than elevating dogshit. Because it's dogshit. Everyone gets this because we practice this on a micro scale in our own lives; you disassociate from people who subtract and do not add. Elites are doing this on purpose. To break their own countrymen. You're not entitled to be proud of anything, and you are to be surrounded with animals. Because you are an animal. Then you can be appropriately husbanded.

Whatever the polls might say, I guarantee Britons are not allowed to speak aloud that they are proud of the Empire without consequences any more than our southerners are allowed to be proud of the south.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (KFhLj)

47 Puppies are piteously crying out for glazed donuts.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (MoZTd)

Operator error. They chose to be born as dogs.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:13 PM (CB76e)

48 43 But I will be at both The Tate Britain and the National Portrait Gallery this week, so we shall see!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (A3700)

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Ooo...a follow up, in person report. That could be enlightening.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:13 PM (LvTSG)

49 Last 20 years?

Go back to the Smithsonian trying to 'revise' the story about a certain B-29 named 'Enola Gay' and its mission.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 15, 2023 12:13 PM (CyPqT)

50 "So, what is the cultural institution doing? Is it leading? "

It's desperately trying to convince Britons that they are a conquered people who should just lie down and die, leaving everything to their conquerors who are obviously superior.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (ou9hh)

51 'inclusive' and 'diverse' = no wipipo.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (KC4f+)

52 46 Whatever the polls might say, I guarantee Britons are not allowed to speak aloud that they are proud of the Empire without consequences any more than our southerners are allowed to be proud of the south.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (KFhLj)

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The first poll I found was exactly about this. I didn't post it because it was aside from my point, but those who vote Conservative Party are much more likely to self-censor themselves than those who vote Labour.

Of course, the Conservative Party is a joke, so it kind of makes sense, but it's another wrinkle to the question of culture.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

53 With the majority of children born in the UK being named Mohammed, soon enough art depicting humans will be outlawed altogether.

Though I think they aren't going to want big rubber ducks and urinals either.

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (Jk9SN)

54 Two thoughts here: one is that that Brits have been full of white guilt for decades. You can see it even in JK Rowling's work, particularly when she was trying to publish books under a pen name. In 'The Casual Vacancy', the main character hated living in rural England because it was so 'white'.

That isn't just unique to one writer. Most of the educated Britons are taught that your skin color is the most important thing about you...apart from your submission to the State of course.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (xcxpd)

55 Puppies are piteously crying out for glazed donuts.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (MoZTd)

Well, don't bogart.

Posted by: BignJames at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (AwYPR)

56 That would imply that the higher echelons of modern institutions have been captured by a nihilistic worldview that sees humanity itself as an evil upon the natural world.

I shan't believe it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Some of the lower ranks believe that bullshit but the upper echelons certainly ignore it and the hair shirt that the lower ranks so gladly put on. The strivers in the system are always the parvenus that are trying harder than anyone else to make themselves bigger than they are while the trust fund babies and the oligarchs laugh their way to the bank by raping the public and treasury of wealth.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (6BfIu)

57

I've got lots of degrading art! Come up and see!

Posted by: Dirty Frank at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (ixRr2)

58 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:13 PM (LvTSG)

The NPG has been closed for a few years for renovations, so I am both excited and a little fearful of what I might find.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:14 PM (A3700)

59 Only white people perpetrated colonialism and slavery you know.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (IjPMX)

60 Finally some optimism on this board.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (sX1BW)

I'm not quite so sanguine as whig. But the difference is a matter of timing, proximal causes and effects. I think we see the same distal endpoint, just on different timelines.

I'm optimistic. He's just a little more optimistic.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (0FoWg)

61 53 With the majority of children born in the UK being named Mohammed, soon enough art depicting humans will be outlawed altogether.

Though I think they aren't going to want big rubber ducks and urinals either.
Posted by: blaster
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They are in better shape demographically than we are.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (6BfIu)

62 Puppies are piteously crying out for glazed donuts.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Operator error. They chose to be born as dogs.
Posted by: Thesokorus

Paperwork error. They applied to be police. They were assigned as dogs.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (iH7eX)

63 My old Brit friend, now gone, a retired merchant sailor, made trips back to Bilghty every couple years. Last time he went was about 2005. Said he "hired" a car and drove through his old East End neighborhood. Said it reminded him of ports where they would just stay aboard the ship. Also pitched a bitch that the only car he could "hire" was a "bloody Peugeot". Guy had a picture of Her Majesty and Sir Winston in his Telly and beer drinking room.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (0EOe9)

64 60 I'm not quite so sanguine as whig. But the difference is a matter of timing, proximal causes and effects. I think we see the same distal endpoint, just on different timelines.

I'm optimistic. He's just a little more optimistic.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (0FoWg)

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Culture doesn't have to be always cheery, but it can't always be miserable.

So much of our what is pushed into our culture is just largely miserable now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

65
Dat headscarf....he's trying too hard
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Is that a portrait of Justin Trudeau?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 15, 2023 12:16 PM (63Dwl)

66 They are in better shape demographically than we are.
Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (6BfIu)

Depends on who you mean by "they."

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:16 PM (Jk9SN)

67 The second thought is that the Brits are taught to be ashamed of their Empire. This cancer grew with the anti-war movements after WW1, and metastasized after WW2 as the British Empire was deliberately destroyed. This anti-Imperialist feeling was fed by Marxism which dominated academia all through the Cold War. By now its accepted as the default opinion of the upper class.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:16 PM (xcxpd)

68 Also, regarding all that Tate and Portrait Gallery stuff, it's no Rothko.

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (Jk9SN)

69 25 17 This is part of that effort. They may only reflect 19% today, but if they keep going then they'll have 100% tomorrow. The culture will shift to match the institutions. It has to, because they run the institutions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:06 PM (WkNQM)

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That's obviously their mentality, but the anti-empire sentiment is not something new from the top tiers of British culture. They've been actively embarrassed by their history probably for as long as I've been alive. Maybe it was the Falklands that acted as some kind of fulcrum.

If this has been going on for about 40 years, and if only 19% of the country is buying it, is it working? What can we say of the "culture" of Britain regarding its views of empire?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

The hardcore Leftists have wanted to tear-down Western culture for over 100 years. They chipped-away as and when they could. Now they have to power to demolish Western Culture, and here we are.

Posted by: Gref at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (AMIL/)

70 Guy had a picture of Her Majesty and Sir Winston in his Telly and beer drinking room.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM (0EOe9)
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The "telly and beer drinking room" is usually referred to as the "lounge" in the Queen's English.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (WkNQM)

71 Culture doesn't have to be always cheery, but it can't always be miserable.

So much of our what is pushed into our culture is just largely miserable now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

I'm all for a little nihilism, but when the main POV of most things being produced is nihilistic it gets tiresome.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (CIS44)

72 70 The "telly and beer drinking room" is usually referred to as the "lounge" in the Queen's English.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (WkNQM)

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They're chalk and cheese, bruv.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

73 The problem is that the curators and boards of museums -- as well as their big donors -- are among the most loathsome of all leftwing, virtue-signaling, guilt-ridden, pasty-white cocksucking effete snobs you will ever see. Back in the day, I went to some of these big museum gala things. I wanted to punch them all in the face. The ladies serving hors d'oeuvres and even the guys cleaning the toilets were more interesting and better company.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

74 Go back to the Smithsonian trying to 'revise' the story about a certain B-29 named 'Enola Gay' and its mission.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 15, 2023 12:13 PM (CyPqT)

The greatest single peacekeeping mission in world history?

It saved about 500,000 American lives and about 5,000,000 Japanese lives!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:18 PM (A3700)

75 Mister, we could use a man like Henry VIII again . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 15, 2023 12:18 PM (J2vNu)

76 The Bee reports the Junta finally sent a relief flight in the general direction of Maui.

https://t.ly/qYvFF

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 15, 2023 12:18 PM (MOC99)

77 Of course, the Conservative Party is a joke, so it kind of makes sense, but it's another wrinkle to the question of culture.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Not quite, the Conservative party is the same as the Democrat party here. The natural governing party and thus conservatism in Great Britain means statism. The Labor party is more like the GOP, full of principles that contradict each other but incapable of governing due to its fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. Either party only succeeds when they get a leader that stomps on the rank and file with an iron boot with practical reforms. E.g. a Thatcher or a Blair, most of the rest are public school cronies that despise the common people of their country.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:18 PM (6BfIu)

78 75 Mister, we could use a man like Henry VIII again . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 15, 2023 12:18 PM (J2vNu)

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Nah.

Henry V.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:19 PM (LvTSG)

79 In other news, big bewbed Kristen Aguirre's cohort told me than Spain is in the wimnenz kickball final, after beating the Swedes. They will play the winner of England/Australia. My guess is the Aussies are cuter, so I hope they win.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 15, 2023 12:19 PM (ufFY8)

80 67 The second thought is that the Brits are taught to be ashamed of their Empire. This cancer grew with the anti-war movements after WW1, and metastasized after WW2 as the British Empire was deliberately destroyed. This anti-Imperialist feeling was fed by Marxism which dominated academia all through the Cold War. By now its accepted as the default opinion of the upper class.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:16 PM (xcxpd)

Kids in the UK are taught that Rhodes - like the scholar - is shameful. The woke in the US are only partially hip to Rhodes scholars being Klan adjacent, because so many of their heroes are Rhodes scholars. But that's coming. Just go to any prestigious school andlisten to their land apology or whatever.

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:19 PM (Jk9SN)

81 59 Only white people perpetrated colonialism and slavery you know.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:15 PM
Some other ethnicities want to take a more active part today.

Posted by: Eromero at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (NxC5+)

82 I wanted to punch them all in the face.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

You could have called it performance art, and then stuck them with a bill too!

Posted by: spindrift at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (pyXMr)

83 Is that Lawrence of Arabia?

Posted by: BignJames at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (AwYPR)

84 If this has been going on for about 40 years, and if only 19% of the country is buying it, is it working? What can we say of the "culture" of Britain regarding its views of empire?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

What is the age this 19%? Is it the younger? As the old die will this view point become the main? take that with the further indoctrination and voila you have complete subversion over time.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (CIS44)

85 82 I wanted to punch them all in the face.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

You could have called it performance art, and then stuck them with a bill too!
Posted by: spindrift at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (pyXMr)
___________________

Hmmmmmm . . . [slaps self in forehead]

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

86 "Across the courtyard was an exhibition called "Black Venus." Yeah...a glimpse of the last 200 years of art from the perspective of Black women and nonbinaries."

I dunno, seems like imposing the name of a Roman goddess for a black women's art exhibit is a bit Eurocentric and colonialist. Whoever named the exhibit should probably be cancelled and unpersoned for their retrograde and unprogressive attitude.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 15, 2023 12:21 PM (ou9hh)

87 Here's the section that details who is in the portrait:

"The centrepiece of the relaunch, the newly acquired Joshua Reynolds portrait of Mai, a Polynesian visitor to Britain, is billed as the 'first British painting to depict a person of colour with dignity and grandeur'. Yet the NPG already owns an earlier portrait of Mai by Reynolds's student, William Parry, also painted with dignity and grandeur. There is, too, a curious image of Pocahontas visiting England in 1616, portrayed magisterially in Jacobean court dress."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

88 43 But I will be at both The Tate Britain and the National Portrait Gallery this week, so we shall see!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:12 PM (A3700)

I was going to make a crack about seeing Ottoman Guy up close and personal, but I believe that it's at The Met.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 15, 2023 12:21 PM (yOFKS)

89 What is the age this 19%? Is it the younger? As the old die will this view point become the main? take that with the further indoctrination and voila you have complete subversion over time.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (CIS44)

Use foxhunting as a proxy for this culture argument. Even the King is against foxhunting now.

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:22 PM (Jk9SN)

90 For me, all you needed to see was the outpouring of respect for the monarchy upon the death of Queen Elizabeth II and the coronation of King Charles III. But yeah, feeling embarrassed and ashamed of the British Empire is just stupid.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 15, 2023 12:22 PM (QTrdP)

91 Maybe one day these cultural institutions will denounce our contemporaries for their shameful support of abortion and LGBT including the child mutilation.

That could mean that the future institution will be Muslim, but maybe not.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 15, 2023 12:23 PM (rBcAx)

92 You can't spell "culture" without "cult."

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 12:23 PM (6VKyY)

93 87 Here's the section that details who is in the portrait:

"The centrepiece of the relaunch, the newly acquired Joshua Reynolds portrait of Mai, a Polynesian visitor to Britain, is billed as the 'first British painting to depict a person of colour with dignity and grandeur'. Yet the NPG already owns an earlier portrait of Mai by Reynolds's student, William Parry, also painted with dignity and grandeur. There is, too, a curious image of Pocahontas visiting England in 1616, portrayed magisterially in Jacobean court dress."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:21 PM (LvTSG)
___________

Actually the painting makes Mai look like a pompous gasbag twat . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:23 PM (iFTx/)

94 83 Is that Lawrence of Arabia?
Posted by: BignJames at August 15, 2023 12:20 PM (AwYPR)

nah, a Polynesian visitor to London named Omai, he was a local celebrity for his exoticness.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:23 PM (xcxpd)

95 "If this has been going on for about 40 years, and if only 19% of the country is buying it, is it working? What can we say of the "culture" of Britain regarding its views of empire?"

That's why the Communists are now "focused like a laser" on the kids. Indoctrination in college is too late and not everyone goes to college; now they start in Kindergarten.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at August 15, 2023 12:23 PM (ik/65)

96 White marble be racist, yo!

Posted by: Black Narcissus at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (ufFY8)

97 Use foxhunting as a proxy for this culture argument. Even the King is against foxhunting now.
Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:22 PM (Jk9SN)

The King is a fink!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (xcxpd)

98 Po was the shortest Teletubby, but at least he didn't carry a purse like that sissy Tinky-Winky.

Posted by: Arts and Farces at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (83IzV)

99 Carried over...

Thank you, Stephen Price Blair, for the link to the tax document.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (1Z8zZ)

100 We are being shamed so we won't believe in our country or ourselves strongly enough to resist tyranny.

Posted by: Emmie at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (Sf2cq)

101 Depends on who you mean by "they."
Posted by: blaster

You can look it up. The number one ethnicity of foreign born mothers and fathers is actually Polish. Number three was Romania from the last set of figures. Pakistan is number two and India number 4.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:25 PM (6BfIu)

102 Mister, we could use a man like Henry VIII again . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 15, 2023
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Nah.

Henry V.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023

***
Elizabeth I, then. She had more balls than do most of the male politicos on both sides of the Atlantic today.

George II, then?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 15, 2023 12:25 PM (J2vNu)

103 Digging through the news to find some bit of culture to talk about, I stumbled across this article titled Our great art institutions have reduced British history to a scrapheap of shame by Hong Kong native Calvin Po.

If Calvin Po, why don't he get a job ?

Posted by: JT at August 15, 2023 12:25 PM (T4tVD)

104 White marble be racist, yo!

Posted by: Black Narcissus at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (ufFY

Used to be limestone...so tranny.

Posted by: BignJames at August 15, 2023 12:25 PM (AwYPR)

105 Omai!

Posted by: George Takei at August 15, 2023 12:27 PM (63Dwl)

106 "Mister we could use a man like Jan Sobieski again"

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:27 PM (0EOe9)

107 What would British culture be now if the US hadn't pulled their asses out of the sling twice in the 20th century?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:28 PM (IjPMX)

108 "Mister we could use a man like Jan Sobieski again"
Posted by: bill in arkansas, n

*extremely out of tune*
Those were the days!

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 12:28 PM (CIS44)

109 What would British culture be now if the US hadn't pulled their asses out of the sling twice in the 20th century?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

Schnitzel.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 15, 2023 12:28 PM (iH7eX)

110 I wanna become part of King Harve’s empire.

Especially the parts ruled by the bikini babe satraps.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 12:29 PM (xTRSc)

111 110 I wanna become part of King Harve’s empire.

Especially the parts ruled by the bikini babe satraps.

it's a satrap!

Posted by: sadmiral sakbar at August 15, 2023 12:30 PM (oY6Yp)

112 Elizabeth I, then. She had more balls than do most of the male politicos on both sides of the Atlantic today.

George II, then?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Elizabeth also had a self governing side that made her great which Henry VIII never did. George II deferred to Walpole which was probably the most corrupt Prime Minister that Great Britain ever had. But Walpole's pursuit of wealth led to a beneficial period of inactive government. Second, I would put Queen Victoria who did some governance behind the scenes but allowed the daily hurly burly of politics to play out.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:31 PM (6BfIu)

113 Omai was from Tahiti. Brought to England by Captain Cook.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 12:31 PM (xTRSc)

114 What would British culture be now if the US hadn't pulled their asses out of the sling twice in the 20th century?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:28 PM (IjPMX)

What would US culture be like if we didn't allow London to gin up the Civil War and drag us into WWI?

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:32 PM (/jyQy)

115 Had an extremely odd experience yesterday with Amazon.

Received a package in the mail from a company I had never heard of before. It had my name and address so I opened it up. Had a case of 42 packages of Famous Amos chocolate chips cookies in it. I have never ordered Famous Amos cookies from anywhere. No invoice in the box and the return label address was from a place called "roo" out of California. I checked the address online and it was a condo not currently for sale but valued at $1.2 million. I was getting ready to call a cop buddy of mine to see if this was some sort of scam.

After an hour or so I got an email that said my amazon order of dehydrated hash browns had been delivered. So I tried to do a return of the cookies but amazon said I could not. I dialed up the amazon call center in India and the lady said I couldn't replace it because they don't have what I ordered in stock. Apparently to fulfill my amazon order on time they just picked a random item, tossed it in a box and mailed it. She gave me a refund and said keep the cookies.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 15, 2023 12:32 PM (QNSds)

116 12 years ago today I visited London for the first time. I loved walking around the place. Visiting Westminster Abbey and walking by Parliament and seeing Big Ben in person was amazing.

I feel bad for the Brits and what their policies have wrought upon them. They need to find their pride in being a citizen of a country that shaped history. Good or bad.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 15, 2023 12:32 PM (Oq/TM)

117 Po was the shortest Teletubby, but at least he didn't carry a purse like that sissy Tinky-Winky.
Posted by: Arts and Farces at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (83IzV)

LOL.

I remember that controversy. Falwell called it out as fag shit, and everyone did the usual "point and laugh at the Christofascist" bit so popular at the time, before it became "beat and jail the Christofascist" bit so popular now.

Then, years later, the original actor said "you bet I'm a fag, and I fagged it up for the kiddos as hard as I could until the BBC finally fired and replaced my ass!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:33 PM (0FoWg)

118 Elizabeth I (spit) gifted us the panopticon occult cryptocracy.

Dee and Walsingham et al.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:34 PM (/jyQy)

119 Douglas Murray fiercely decries this shaming agenda and in fact presents counterpoints to the hate colonialist whitey narrative.

Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:34 PM (iyJI9)

120 Then, years later, the original actor said "you bet I'm a fag, and I fagged it up for the kiddos as hard as I could until the BBC finally fired and replaced my ass!"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:33 PM (0FoWg)

Ah, The BBC. Good times, good times...

Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Savile, Pederast at August 15, 2023 12:35 PM (hqgX1)

121 109 What would British culture be now if the US hadn't pulled their asses out of the sling twice in the 20th century?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

And where would we be? Counterfactuals are almost never beneficial because the Past is a different country and culture was different then.

Britain went into WWI when they did not in the Franco Prussian war because A) Germany was trying to threaten the Empire via building up the German navy and stirring up trouble in the British commercial empire in places like S. America, Asia, and Africa, and B) Territorial guarantees that Germany and France also made that Belgium would be forever a neutral country. The Germans trashed that.

C), the British have always been sensitive about the Channel ports on the French and Belgium side because the English Channel is their shipping lifeline.
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Germany was fully to blame for what it brought on itself just like France was during the Napoleonic wars.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:36 PM (6BfIu)

122 > Not quite, the Conservative party is the same as the Democrat party here.
__________

They may be the "same" but they retain their different nomenclature purely for fundraising purposes. The uniparty would suffer if the politicos were remotely honest about their party affiliation.

And, really, once the uniparty is acknowledged is there any affiliation necessary?

Why give to "the party" if there's no "other party" to "fight?"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 12:36 PM (Q4IgG)

123 TeleTubbies were disturbing and fucked up. Oldest daughter wasn't allowed to watch.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (BIG3/)

124 Western Civ is a beautiful thing. I'm unshame-able over it.

Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (iyJI9)

125 What would US culture be like if we didn't allow London to gin up the Civil War and drag us into WWI?
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:32 PM (/jyQy)

Wut?

I'm with you on the WW1 conspiracy but this is the first I've heard that Perfidious Albion ginned up Civil War 1

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (xcxpd)

126 117 Po was the shortest Teletubby, but at least he didn't carry a purse like that sissy Tinky-Winky.
Posted by: Arts and Farces at August 15, 2023 12:24 PM (83IzV)

LOL.

I remember that controversy. Falwell called it out as fag shit, and everyone did the usual "point and laugh at the Christofascist" bit so popular at the time, before it became "beat and jail the Christofascist" bit so popular now.

Then, years later, the original actor said "you bet I'm a fag, and I fagged it up for the kiddos as hard as I could until the BBC finally fired and replaced my ass!"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:33 PM (0FoWg)
______________

It was obviously homo shit aimed at young kids (sound familiar?). How did I know that at the time? Because of all the media and associated cocksuckers shrieking at me that it wasn't possibly homo shit and I was a hater merely for thinking it was homo shit. Spoiler alert: IT WAS HOMO SHIT AIMED AT YOUNG KIDS.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (iFTx/)

127 Huh, "clarified"...

August 13th: Man armed with assault rifle opens fire on police in Koreatown
https://tinyurl.com/2pmcuut9
"Upon arriving on scene, officers attempted to make contact with the suspect, and that’s when the first exchange of gunfire occurred, police said"

August 15th: Man shot by police in Koreatown was carrying airsoft gun, lighter, LAPD says
https://tinyurl.com/n3pjn3bb
"Police initially said the man had opened fire with an assault rifle, but later clarified that he just pointed the gun at officers"

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (MFZ8i)

128 This isn't a new trend and it's not just Britain. The 50th anniversary exhibit of the Hiroshima bombing at the Smithsonian was going to be a 'shame on the USA' with hints of war crimes. Word got out and public reaction was so negative the shitheads who planned it were forced to scrap their approach and go with an historical overview. (You could see them gritting their teeth when they announced the change.) But the anti-US and anti-West attitude has become prevalent.

Decades ago I enjoyed visiting the various parts of the Smithsonian. Now you couldn't pay me to go. (Not to mention that I would never go into DC unless heavily armed.)

Posted by: JTB at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (7EjX1)

129 86 I dunno, seems like imposing the name of a Roman goddess for a black women's art exhibit is a bit Eurocentric and colonialist.

could be worse

Posted by: rising like olympus above the serengeti at August 15, 2023 12:38 PM (oY6Yp)

130 TeleTubbies were disturbing and fucked up. Oldest daughter wasn't allowed to watch.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

The sun-baby was creepy af

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 12:38 PM (CIS44)

131 scrapheap of shame

The mention of "scrapheaps" makes me think of Scrapheap Challenge, or what became Junkyard Wars over here. Fun show.

Lisa Rogers was a knockout.

https://tinyurl.com/bdefbdb7

Posted by: spindrift at August 15, 2023 12:38 PM (pyXMr)

132 Spoiler alert: IT WAS HOMO SHIT AIMED AT YOUNG KIDS.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (iFTx/)

Oddly enough I think its biggest audience was among college kid who were baked.

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:38 PM (Jk9SN)

133 Tats, would not hang.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (zbP2D)

134 What would US culture be like if we didn't allow London to gin up the Civil War and drag us into WWI?
Posted by: Thesokorus
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Not really a factor. It was the Southern salve holding elites themselves that did that. Read the secession convention debates. They just thought that Britain and France depended on their cotton to run their mills. What they did not figure upon was the average Brit was opposed to helping the slavers (read Rule Britannia lyrics sometime).

Britain also switched suppliers to Egypt for cotton. France decided to go into Mexico.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (6BfIu)

135 Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:34 PM (/jyQy)

yeah I spit on that lead-faced five-headed biatch too

i just wish she'd have come out of the closet, she may have been a happier lass

it's bad when a closeted dyke can't get her daily muffie ration, makes them bitter

Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (iyJI9)

136 Tats, would not hang.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

Oh, yeah, not the art thread, my apologies!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (zbP2D)

137 Look at the nations that were born of the British Empire. USA, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore,India,others to a lesser extent in the Caribbean and Africa and Asia. Until recently they made the modern world. Now they are being undermined and torn down. To all those who hated the empire what comes next?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (R62ZP)

138 it's bad when a closeted dyke can't get her daily muffie ration, makes them bitter
Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (iyJI9)

Pretty sure "she" was an uber twink.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (/jyQy)

139 137 Look at the nations that were born of the British Empire. USA, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore,India,others to a lesser extent in the Caribbean and Africa and Asia. Until recently they made the modern world. Now they are being undermined and torn down. To all those who hated the empire what comes next?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (R62ZP)

=======

Gay technocrats and a much smaller population?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (LvTSG)

140 It was obviously homo shit aimed at young kids (sound familiar?). How did I know that at the time? Because of all the media and associated cocksuckers shrieking at me that it wasn't possibly homo shit and I was a hater merely for thinking it was homo shit. Spoiler alert: IT WAS HOMO SHIT AIMED AT YOUNG KIDS.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 15, 2023 12:37 PM (iFTx/)

———

The homosexual movement lied every step of the way.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (2HWEq)

141 Omai !!!

Posted by: George Takei at August 15, 2023 12:42 PM (w9Wax)

142 To all those who hated the empire what comes next?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (R62ZP)

Pain. Lotsa pain.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 15, 2023 12:42 PM (BIG3/)

143 Oddly enough I think its biggest audience was among college kid who were baked.
Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 12:38 PM (Jk9SN

Yup. I was too old for children's entertainment at the time, and too young to care about it. But leftish stoners my age loved it after that Falwell call out.

"Hahaha he's an idiot and I'm so nonconformist; let's watch Teletubbies while we smoke some weed... Hurr durrrrr I also smoke pole and now I have monkeypox."

That last part may have been said some decades after the first part.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:42 PM (0FoWg)

144 The Biden administration urged hundreds of government employees in San Francisco to stop coming to work at the Speaker Nancy Pelosi Federal Building due to safety concerns.
• The 18-story building, which houses various federal agencies and former House speaker Pelosi's office, sits adjacent to the city's Tenderloin district, a notorious haven for drug-addled vagrants and other violent criminals.
• Pelosi reportedly raised concerns about the safety of the building's tenants, including members of her staff, in a recent meeting with the U.S. attorney's office.

Posted by: SMOD at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (RHGPo)

145 Pain. Lotsa pain.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Yes, most likely result if history predicts anything.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (6BfIu)

146 Western Civ is a beautiful thing. I'm unshame-able over it.

Same here.

Where are the African symphonies to compare to Mozart or Beethoven?

Where are the Polynesian temples to compare to Notre Dame or Westminster Abbey?

Where is the Aztec medicine to compare to pennicillin or the polio shot?

Where is the Mesoamerican literature to compare to Shakespeare or Johnson?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (AW0uW)

147 Pretty sure "she" was an uber twink.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (/jyQy)

lol, a trans-queen? Xe was ahead of xer time!

well there was Queen Christina of Sweden, she had a bit of the butch about her

Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (iyJI9)

148 "Hahaha he's an idiot and I'm so nonconformist; let's watch Teletubbies while we smoke some weed... Hurr durrrrr I also smoke pole and now I have monkeypox."

That last part may have been said some decades after the first part.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:42 PM (0FoWg)
++++
Seems likely.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (WkNQM)

149 been to the smithsonian lately?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at August 15, 2023 12:44 PM (vbuLV)

150 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (AW0uW)

here's the flip side though:

if it weren't for Western Civ, we wouldn't now have TikTok

Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM (iyJI9)

151 134 A book I read a long time ago, Campaigning With Grant was authored by one of his aides. One part gives a fly on the wall about Lincoln, not very pleased at Brit aid to the South (this is at the close of the war) and Lincoln saying something about the largest , most battle experienced , modern equipped Army on Earth. Maybe he was thinking about adding a few provinces to the States.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM (0EOe9)

152 The real beauty of western culture is that it's open for everyone to enjoy. Who would see an Amazonian tribesman listening to Mahler for the first time with rapt attention, and say "NO! That's ours! You can't have it!"?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM (+2CF+)

153 Not really a factor. It was the Southern salve holding elites themselves that did that. Read the secession convention debates. They just thought that Britain and France depended on their cotton to run their mills. What they did not figure upon was the average Brit was opposed to helping the slavers (read Rule Britannia lyrics sometime).

Britain also switched suppliers to Egypt for cotton. France decided to go into Mexico.
Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (6BfIu)

Naive. Parliament and London worked to split the US into a new Europe. And they worked to get us into WWI. And they worked to keep Germany down.

I'm not absolving the Planters of anything either. But it was London forcing the issue and skipping away laughing.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM (/jyQy)

154 The Biden administration urged hundreds of government employees in San Francisco to stop coming to work at the Speaker Nancy Pelosi Federal Building due to safety concerns.
• The 18-story building, which houses various federal agencies and former House speaker Pelosi's office, sits adjacent to the city's Tenderloin district, a notorious haven for drug-addled vagrants and other violent criminals.
• Pelosi reportedly raised concerns about the safety of the building's tenants, including members of her staff, in a recent meeting with the U.S. attorney's office.
Posted by: SMOD at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (RHGPo)
++++
Hilarious side note: one of the offices in that building is HHS.

America's public health agency encouraged its workers not to come into the office because the environment in which office is located is too deleterious to their health and safety.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:46 PM (WkNQM)

155 115 Apparently to fulfill my amazon order on time they just picked a random item, tossed it in a box and mailed it.

out: just in time inventory
in: agile inventory

Posted by: anachronda is not bitter at August 15, 2023 12:46 PM (oY6Yp)

156 Maybe he was thinking about adding a few provinces to the States.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM (0EOe9)

We absolutely should have liberated Britain from London.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:47 PM (/jyQy)

157 The cultural institutions have been tearing down Western legacy art for at least 100 years.

I cannot speak on an intellectual level about the plastic arts (compare and contrast Kandinsky and Singer Sargent...?), but I can, as a musician, talk about music. The following is just a few of the mishmash of thoughts I've had for a long time about the subject.

From the standards of what makes good singing, to composition, to the institutions that are supposed to promote and preserve the finest of the fine arts, ugliness and nihilism has been rampant. Puccini died in1924, Strauss in '22. Aside from the great Broadway musicals of the 40's and 50's, music and singing has had a straightaway downward tragectory since their deaths. And there are some singers of the mid-century that would say THEIR music was unsingably difficult.

Anyway, now we have operas mic'd, autotuned pop 'singers,' regional orchestras that cannot play in tune, audiences that cannot understand anything more difficult than William's Star Wars rip off of Mahler.

...And get off my lawn.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 15, 2023 12:47 PM (Rbu5d)

158 The 18-story building, which houses various federal agencies and former House speaker Pelosi's office ...
Posted by: SMOD at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (RHGPo)
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They didn't get the memo. According to Democrat Party mailers I receive, she goes by "Speaker Emerita" now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:47 PM (WkNQM)

159 I just rewatched Koichi Toyama's legendary campaign speech.

If he had been an American candidate, he'd be locked in a gulag.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:48 PM (WkNQM)

160
lol, a trans-queen? Xe was ahead of xer time!

well there was Queen Christina of Sweden, she had a bit of the butch about her
Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (iyJI9)

Hysterical pregnancy tier trans-queen.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:48 PM (/jyQy)

161 America's public health agency encouraged its workers not to come into the office because the environment in which office is located is too deleterious to their health and safety.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:46 PM (WkNQM)
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Well, they *are* the experts! /sarc

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 12:48 PM (YIVH2)

162 Where is the Mesoamerican literature to compare to Shakespeare or Johnson?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (AW0uW)

Concur. Anyone with a brain knows that Western Civilization is and was far superior to the savages elsewhere on the planet, who would eat each other if they could. But WW2 made The West feel guilty about what when on where. So now everybody is gooder and equaller and kumbaya even if they eat each other.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 15, 2023 12:48 PM (hqgX1)

163 Hunter Biden's Lead Criminal Defense Attorney Asks To Withdraw From Case

"Based on recent developments, it appears that the negotiation and drafting of the plea agreement and diversion agreement will be contested, and Mr. Clark is a percipient witness to those issues," reads the Tuesday filing.

Posted by: SMOD at August 15, 2023 12:48 PM (RHGPo)

164 Naive. Parliament and London worked to split the US into a new Europe. And they worked to get us into WWI. And they worked to keep Germany down.

I'm not absolving the Planters of anything either. But it was London forcing the issue and skipping away laughing.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM (/jyQy)

All right, I'll assume you're not trolling and play along...

Though the Brits would have been glad to have their competitor (US) break up, just how did they 'work' to do so? Be specific, cite sources if possible.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (xcxpd)

165 Posted by: kallisto at August 15, 2023 12:40 PM (iyJI9)

I think it is fairly well known that Elizabeth I was banging some of her lords.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (A3700)

166 I'm not absolving the Planters of anything either. But it was London forcing the issue and skipping away laughing.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:45 PM

For quite some time before the American Civil War broke out envoys from southern states were assured by government officials in the United Kingdom if they rebelled from the United States the new nation would be recognized by the crown.

It was never gonna happen but the UK government kept that fiction slowly simmering until 1862.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (QNSds)

167 I have a link to an excellent essay on what has been wrought on literature over the past 100 years or so that ties into what TJM is talking about today.

I'll be sharing that on the Sunday Morning Book Thread...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (YIVH2)

168 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (xcxpd)

Don't assume that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:50 PM (A3700)

169 For quite some time before the American Civil War broke out envoys from southern states were assured by government officials in the United Kingdom if they rebelled from the United States the new nation would be recognized by the crown.

It was never gonna happen but the UK government kept that fiction slowly simmering until 1862.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (QNSds)

An absolutely perfidious ruling oligarchy.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:51 PM (/jyQy)

170 168 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (xcxpd)

Don't assume that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:50 PM (A3700)

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I always assume. It's why I'm such an ass.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

171 Western Civilization is inextricably linked to a number of icky things… in the eyes of the godless state worshipers..

Posted by: tubal at August 15, 2023 12:51 PM (PCK5/)

172 There is a Remodern movement in the arts that explicitly rejects Postmodernism (particularly things like a preserved shark in a tank), but I'm not sure it does so on cultural grounds. I like some of their pieces but they don't really compare to earlier centuries' works.

Posted by: Lirio100 at August 15, 2023 12:52 PM (w/VHS)

173 Naive. Parliament and London worked to split the US into a new Europe. And they worked to get us into WWI. And they worked to keep Germany down.

I'm not absolving the Planters of anything either. But it was London forcing the issue and skipping away laughing.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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On the first, not really, a few British leaders might have liked to do so but if you read Bagehot, it was Cabinet government at the time evenly divided between commercial interests and agrarian and Queen Victoria did not want the Brits associated with the slaver South. Remember, Britain freed its slaves in the 1830's in its colonies due in part to a fearless parliamentary crusade by the guy who wrote Amazing Grace. Britain in 1777, in a great opinion by Lord Mansfield forbade any slave from being kept in slavery if they came ashore in Great Britain. Once free, always free, even if the slave came from a British colony.

In WWI, the picture is a lot more complicated, first is that the US kept shipping goods to warring parties and sold war materials to them. Unfortunately for Germany, they could not get these through the British blockade so they resorted to submarine warfare to stop Britai

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:52 PM (6BfIu)

174 I think it is fairly well known that Elizabeth I was banging some of her lords.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM (A3700)

Notoriously hetero English ruling class!

Not one actual pregnancy!

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:52 PM (/jyQy)

175 157 What work of Mahler’s did Williams rip off for Star Wars?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 12:52 PM (xTRSc)

176 9 ... "The Rape of the Masters: How Political Correctness Sabotages Art by Roger Kimball. Originally published in 2004."

This book won't come as a surprise to The Horde but it is worth the read. However, be prepared to be very depressed, disgusted and/or enraged.

Posted by: JTB at August 15, 2023 12:53 PM (7EjX1)

177 I wonder if ace misses us.....oh , hello , TJM.

Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 12:54 PM (EHNgd)

178 Posted by: whig

Where did Judah Benjamin flee to?

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:54 PM (/jyQy)

179 I just rewatched Koichi Toyama's legendary campaign speech.

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It's a great one. Hits a lot of salient points.

But I prefer Inejiro Asanuma's. It's much more brief, but altogether more satisfying.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (ydiro)

180 175 157 What work of Mahler’s did Williams rip off for Star Wars?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 12:52 PM (xTRSc)

Mahler's 3rd, thought I'd suggest 'inspired by' is probably more accurate than 'ripped off'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (xcxpd)

181 165 I think it is fairly well known that Elizabeth I was banging some of her lords.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:49 PM

Blasphemy!!! She was the "Virgin Queen" was she not?

Oh, it was something created by her publicist? Okies.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (Oq/TM)

182 This may seem a little silly.

But I was rewatching The Jerk the other day.
It was rather lowbrow for its day.

But a lot of the gags and jokes were more sophisticated than today's comedies, I thought.

Anyway, "I was born a poor black child" is a fantastic opening to Steve Martin's autobiography.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 15, 2023 12:09 PM (wbBkh)

I watched my DVD of The Three Amigos a few nights ago, after nearly a decade. A silly movie, but had a few moments when I actually laughed out loud, scaring the cat. A "park your brain at the door and just enjoy" kind of flick. Some popcorn and I was happy.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (Zvtjl)

183 Diversity is going to swallow and wipe out European culture

Posted by: Skip at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (fgqnS)

184 To all those who hated the empire what comes next?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 12:41 PM (R62ZP)

Après moi, le déluge

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (1Z8zZ)

185 I always assume. It's why I'm such an ass.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:51 PM (LvTSG)
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U and me both!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (WkNQM)

186 173 Trade during WW1 was a curious thing. The Brits and Germans maintained an agreement, nearly to 1916, of trading rubber from the Brits for German optical lenses used in about all war time optical gear.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (0EOe9)

187 There's some sort of poetic justice in having the scum of the earth outside the "Pelosi Fed Bldg." The imagery just speaks for itself. Someone oughta' ask Nan-Nan how she feels about her constituents she's supposed to represent hanging out in front of her lair.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (Q4IgG)

188 This bikini blonde in red isn't ashamed of the empire:
https://is.gd/v6hcNn

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (WkNQM)

189 In WWI, the picture is a lot more complicated, first is that the US kept shipping goods to warring parties and sold war materials to them. Unfortunately for Germany, they could not get these through the British blockade so they resorted to submarine warfare to stop Britai
Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 12:52 PM (6BfIu)

It is not complicated. Mandel House and the 300 ran Wilson perfidiously as an anti-war candidate and then about faced and sent the US into the War.

The CFR, Trilateral, Rhodes Scholars all came out of that.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (/jyQy)

190 188 This bikini blonde in red isn't ashamed of the empire:
https://is.gd/v6hcNn
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (WkNQM)

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Hair over face is obviously hiding tear drop tattoos and her long history of gangland murders.

4/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:57 PM (LvTSG)

191 Even back when I was in England, Indian and Pakistanis seem to be everywhere

Posted by: Skip at August 15, 2023 12:58 PM (fgqnS)

192 Where did Judah Benjamin flee to?

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:54 PM (/jyQy)

And that proves what? That Great Britain was not a close ally of America?

Wow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:58 PM (A3700)

193 I like the Brits, their sense of humor, ability to look at self with irony. However, they did make a mess of things internally. Partition of India, duplicity in the ME. Nowadays , they think they are still an Empire. But all these faults should be attributed to the upper classes, shouldn't they.

Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 12:58 PM (EHNgd)

194 Mr. S subscribes to all the TX travel magazines.
One had begun publishing memoir-ish articles by inclusive voices.
Like " Texas sucks so much, Mom and Dad. Why did we leave China?"
Okay, I may be exaggerating a little, but not much.
Stay in your lane, Parks and Wildlife.
GWGB.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at August 15, 2023 12:59 PM (hAfUZ)

195 I had a thought.... what if Britain gave the Travelers/ Gypsies a shot at running the place?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 15, 2023 12:59 PM (IjPMX)

196 Where is the Aztec medicine to compare to pennicillin or the polio shot?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 15, 2023 12:43 PM (AW0uW)

Owing to the eras involved, that's probably unfair. Your other points, OTOH, are spot on. I was going to include the Shakespeare point but you could replace him with Chaucer and have a valid argument.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 15, 2023 12:59 PM (1Z8zZ)

197 China Abandons Clean Energy Goals Making US Efforts Painful And Pointless

Bidenomics and the EPA have America on a path of inflationary and environmental madness that’s all pain and no gain.

Posted by: SMOD at August 15, 2023 12:59 PM (RHGPo)

198 This bikini blonde in red isn't ashamed of the empire:
https://is.gd/v6hcNn
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (WkNQM)

Classic Page 3 material up top

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 15, 2023 12:59 PM (xcxpd)

199 Frankly, there will come a time when people revisit art from this current period and I'll hope it does nothing but crap all over it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 15, 2023 12:59 PM (KbCG3)

200 My wife and I like to joke that the reason the Brits conquered India was to get decent food.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 01:00 PM (xTRSc)

201 And that proves what? That Great Britain was not a close ally of America?

Wow!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 12:58 PM (A3700)

It is strong evidence that the CSA was in a tight close knit relationship with London dude.

The CSA was dumb to rely on London.

But they did. It is what it is. London was always and forever fucking with us.

Our grandparents all knew this.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:00 PM (/jyQy)

202 Frankly, there will come a time when people revisit art from this current period and I'll hope it does nothing but crap all over it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

that would only be an improvement.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 01:00 PM (CIS44)

203 As Secretary of State, Benjamin attempted to gain official recognition for the Confederacy by France and the United Kingdom, but his efforts were ultimately unsuccessful. To preserve the Confederacy as military defeats made its situation increasingly desperate, he advocated freeing and arming the slaves, but his proposals were only partially accepted in the closing month of the war. When Davis fled the Confederate capital of Richmond in early 1865, Benjamin went with him. He left the presidential party and was successful in escaping from the mainland United States, but Davis was captured by Union troops. Benjamin sailed to Great Britain, where he settled and became a barrister, again rising to the top of his profession before retiring in 1883. He died in Paris the following year. You may now continue.

Posted by: @SOEarpiece at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (aD39U)

204 So it's resolved, Kemp says the Georgia elevations are flawlessly fair. No fraud. No large dumps of unverified harvested ballots. All signatures match, and no changes to the voting process that usurped legislative power. Cleanest election of any state, says Kemp, with a straight face.

Posted by: Mendacity Slayer at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (OTvdu)

205 Hair over face is obviously hiding tear drop tattoos and her long history of gangland murders.

4/10

Would not bang.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 15, 2023 12:57 PM (LvTSG)
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That escalated quickly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (WkNQM)

206 Sharing Tweet from the awesome James Woods on Biden and the devastating fire in Maui:

James Woods
@RealJameswOODS

$700 per household for Americans whose homes were razed during a preventable disaster. People stood in the ocean watching their community disintegrate and their neighbors burn to death.

Seven. Hundred. Lousy. Dollars.

But $113 BILLION to Ukraine.

Good Job, Big Guy.

Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (oiNtH)

207 I watched my DVD of The Three Amigos a few nights ago, after nearly a decade. A silly movie, but had a few moments when I actually laughed out loud, scaring the cat.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at August 15, 2023 12:55 PM (Zvtjl)

Our costumer family has used 'Sew, old one! Sew like the wind!" more than we like to remember.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at August 15, 2023 01:02 PM (hAfUZ)

208 Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (/jyQy)

Don't forget the Jews!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 01:02 PM (A3700)

209 All "institutions" are political including cultural institutions and are therefore subject to capture by Marxists.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 15, 2023 01:02 PM (JvZF+)

210 Seven. Hundred. Lousy. Dollars.

But $113 BILLION to Ukraine.

Good Job, Big Guy.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (oiNtH)
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NYC is asking for $12 billion from the feds for the "migrant crisis." I'd bet that it will get the money.

That's more than Trump wanted for the wall, but let's not talk about that. It was, oddly, the only time I can think of that everyone in Washington said "no" to new spending...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 01:03 PM (WkNQM)

211 Judah P. Benjamin is one of the most interesting figures in American history. Occupied just about every Confederate cabinet position at one time or another.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 01:03 PM (xTRSc)

212 Where did Judah Benjamin flee to?
Posted by: Thesokorus
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And this is pertinent how? The Brits during the 1800's took in all sorts of characters from failed revolutions just as Geneva did in the 1600's and 1700's or Holland did.

What you are assuming that Palmerston, Lyon, and a wishy washy Gladstone had enough political support to persuade the South to revolt. Instead, the revolt happened due to internal means and the Brits practiced their diplomacy which is divide and conquer. The common population in the UK and the Queen though along with both Palmerston's and Gladstone's prior statements against slavery as Liberals kept the sympathy on the down low.

Regarding WWI, the East Coast was for it due to shipping, the Middle America was agin it, and the West was more worried about Mexico and Japan.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:04 PM (6BfIu)

213 Presentism is one of the ten mental defects common in all Leftists. It drives a lot of their idiotic feelings of victimization where none exist.

Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 01:04 PM (Srp34)

214 It is strong evidence that the CSA was in a tight close knit relationship with London dude.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:00 PM (/jyQy)

That is a ridiculous interpretation. It means nothing of the sort.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 01:04 PM (A3700)

215 Is that Lawrence of Arabia up there?

Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 01:05 PM (geLO8)

216 There are two distinct audiences: the public at large, and the press. Institutions are aiming for the press audience, because that's where the reviews and awards come from. The public has been shunned for decades.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 15, 2023 01:05 PM (H9sxy)

217 Heh. Last night TCM had "Mrs. Miniver" . For decades, the cable menu always describes it as a story of a "hard working British family". My old buddy liked that movie, but the hard working on the menu would set him off. Also the scene where Operation Dynamo is starting. "Look at this, the largest bloody Navy in the bloody World and we have to get the yachtsmen to save the lads". Said while he was tuned up on room temperature beer.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 01:05 PM (0EOe9)

218 This bikini blonde in red isn't ashamed of the empire:
https://is.gd/v6hcNn
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM

Healthy looking young lass. Would drink a pink gin with her and discuss the Raj.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 15, 2023 01:06 PM (Wnv9h)

219 To all those who hated the empire what comes next?
Posted by: Smell the Glove

For the low-info initiates, they think peace, luv, and happiness. Reality: punctuated chaos, lust, and dissolution.

For the mid-wit acolytes, they think a place at the table, an iron rice bowl, and philosopher kings. Reality: minor managers, curbed lives, and a dreadful sense of emptiness.

For the few of the Inner Circle, they know a world-striding gilded age, delight in murdering millions at a clip, and perpetual 'revolution.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 15, 2023 01:06 PM (IG4Id)

220 Our costumer family has used 'Sew, old one! Sew like the wind!" more than we like to remember.
Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at August 15, 2023 01:02 PM (hAfUZ)

The Three Amigos Salute! Link to Youtube:

https://tinyurl.com/ykxsv5bu

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at August 15, 2023 01:06 PM (Zvtjl)

221 >This bikini blonde in red isn't ashamed of the empire:

she's playing peekaboo with the eyebrows
very fetching

Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 01:07 PM (geLO8)

222 Picture the end of Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston coming across the ruined Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach. A large portion of western university faculty and staff would stand up and cheer at that scene. Hey hey, ho ho, Western Civ has got to go. Mission Accomplished. I don't understand the hate.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 15, 2023 01:07 PM (rBcAx)

223 Is that Lawrence of Arabia up there?

No. Not gay enough.

Its Omai, a Society-Islander who came to England with Captain Cook.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 01:08 PM (xTRSc)

224 All of our institutions are corrupt.

Posted by: Dark Force Thirsting For Power at August 15, 2023 01:09 PM (QY+6a)

225 >>> 204 So it's resolved, Kemp says the Georgia elevations are flawlessly fair. No fraud. No large dumps of unverified harvested ballots. All signatures match, and no changes to the voting process that usurped legislative power. Cleanest election of any state, says Kemp, with a straight face.
Posted by: Mendacity Slayer at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (OTvdu)

Kemp.... isn't he the one whose daughter's boyfriend's car mysterious exploded in December 2020 or so, with the boyfriend in it, and with such force that the engine landed several blocks away?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 15, 2023 01:09 PM (llON8)

226 It is not complicated. Mandel House and the 300 ran Wilson perfidiously as an anti-war candidate and then about faced and sent the US into the War.

The CFR, Trilateral, Rhodes Scholars all came out of that.
Posted by: Thesokorus

Wilson had to be kicked in screaming into WWI and that was due to the stupendously stupid Zimmerman telegraph and btw, it was authentic and even sent over US reserved telegraph lines for the Germans to conduct peace negotations with the US. When questioned by the foreign press in a conference and the NYT reporter who was a German agent btw, was frantically trying to help Zimmerman claim that it was a fraud, Zimmerman admitted it was true which rules out a British plant. Then Zimmerman added in his infamous even now subsequent telegraph to his Mexican ambassador to get them in the war.

The GOP was pro-war due to its Northeast orientation and leadership at the time, the Dems were actually split with the prairie and Southern wings against it but the Western wing thinking of gains in the Pacific. The Zimmerman Telegraph paralyzed the anti-war movement in the US because it was a direct threat to teh US. The resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:09 PM (6BfIu)

227 That is a ridiculous interpretation. It means nothing of the sort.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 15, 2023 01:04 PM (A3700)

No it isn't. It's perfectly obvious. That is the history. That is what happened. CSA was relying on agreements with Parliament and London.

Everyone knew that at the time.

The South was England's commodities source for key products.

That's why the North brought in powers anti-thetical to Britain as allies.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:10 PM (/jyQy)

228 Britain committed suicide when they ejected Churchill as Prime Minister after he nearly single-handedly saved Western Civilization ... apparently for only 75 more years or so.

Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 01:10 PM (6VKyY)

229 ABC7: Mom confirms 37-year-old daughter found in duffel bag at San Francisco's Golden Gate Park

The 37-year-old's mother tells us her daughter was living on the streets of San Francisco and suffered from a mental illness.
Police will only say this is a suspicious death.

KTLA: Mom finds woman’s body in son’s room in South Los Angeles, police say

A possible homicide was reported in the Historic South-Central area of South Los Angeles Sunday afternoon.
A woman told officers that she entered her son’s room due to a gas smell, and when she went inside she found what appeared to be a body.
Police said they found the victim, a female believed to be in her 20s, wrapped in plastic. She was pronounced dead at the scene.

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 15, 2023 01:11 PM (MFZ8i)

230 225 >>> 204 So it's resolved, Kemp says the Georgia elevations are flawlessly fair. No fraud. No large dumps of unverified harvested ballots. All signatures match, and no changes to the voting process that usurped legislative power. Cleanest election of any state, says Kemp, with a straight face.
Posted by: Mendacity Slayer at August 15, 2023 01:01 PM (OTvdu)

Kemp.... isn't he the one whose daughter's boyfriend's car mysterious exploded in December 2020 or so, with the boyfriend in it, and with such force that the engine landed several blocks away?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 15, 2023 01:09 PM (llON

Kemp, the only republican who can win a statewide election in GA. Because the dems love Kemp but also Warnock.

Or maybe it was just that republicans also love him but hate Herschel Walker.

Whatever it is, I can feel the Kempmentum! The Kempdamonium!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 15, 2023 01:11 PM (KbCG3)

231 Interestingly about the same time the left fully took over all the cultural institutions - pop/highbrow/etc the culture fragmented.

The cultural artifacts I watch/read/listen to are either from artists outside of their control or ones from the past. I suspect this is increasingly true for the 70%+ that aren't leftists - remember even lefty LIVs aren't really culturally leftist.

Now, these institutions are valuable - it is harder for a non-leftist to succeed at reaching an audience and the lefties pay each other with what are ultimately taxpayer funds with them, but they aren't as hegemonic as they used to be...

If we had an opposition party though they would be aggressively replacing the staffing of these orgs wherever they can....and maybe an "extremist" like DeSantis is doing while the rest of the GOPe does nothing as usual...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 15, 2023 01:12 PM (lc5cP)

232 The GOP was pro-war due to its Northeast orientation and leadership at the time, the Dems were actually split with the prairie and Southern wings against it but the Western wing thinking of gains in the Pacific. The Zimmerman Telegraph paralyzed the anti-war movement in the US because it was a direct threat to teh US. The resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare
Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:09 PM (6BfIu)

Dude. Colonel House ran the Wilson WH and he wanted the US in the War.

Now, Wilson himself may have not wanted it. He did have a stroke.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:12 PM (/jyQy)

233 Kemp, the only republican who can win a statewide election in GA. Because the dems love Kemp but also Warnock.

The (R) won every statewide election except for Sen in 2022.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 01:12 PM (CIS44)

234 There's some sort of poetic justice in having the scum of the earth outside the "Pelosi Fed Bldg." The imagery just speaks for itself. Someone oughta' ask Nan-Nan how she feels about her constituents she's supposed to represent hanging out in front of her lair.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 12:56 PM (Q4IgG)
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Its like Mad Max Thunderdome down there in that plaza at 7th and Mission. The local Social Security office is on the ground floor so use your imagination from there...

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 15, 2023 01:13 PM (JvZF+)

235 >>> 233 Kemp, the only republican who can win a statewide election in GA. Because the dems love Kemp but also Warnock.
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The (R) won every statewide election except for Sen in 2022.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 01:12 PM (CIS44)

But 2022 was all because muhbortions and OrangeManBad, and *certainly* not due to additional shenanigans, since there weren't any in 2020.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 15, 2023 01:13 PM (llON8)

236
Or maybe it was just that republicans also love him but hate Herschel Walker.

I remember playing clips of Senator Warlock saying mind numbingly stupid things to lefty LIVs* and kept getting "BUT WALKER!!!" and then I'd ask SPECIFICALLY what did Walker say and getting radio silence.

*My favorite Warlock moment was when he blamed Bidenflation on the evil shipping container cartels. Seriously.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 15, 2023 01:14 PM (lc5cP)

237 The Three Amigos Salute! Link to Youtube:

https://tinyurl.com/ykxsv5bu
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at August 15, 2023 01:06 PM (Zvtjl)

"For some of us, El Guapo might be shyness..."

Thanks for the reminder- will watch this soon.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at August 15, 2023 01:14 PM (hAfUZ)

238 The South was England's commodities source for key products.

That's why the North brought in powers anti-thetical to Britain as allies.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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Actually, due to the repeal of Corn laws, Britain imported more corn and wheat from the Northern States that it did value wise from the South re Cotton.

The idiot slaver class relying on cotton had to be able to expand westward to cotton growning lands in the West because the monoculture they practiced ruined the land in about a generation. The Eastern slave states became in effect breeding stations to provide slaves to sell to planters moving west. Dred Scott sealed the deal as the North was no longer able to restrict the spread of slavery nor their passage throughout the US.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:14 PM (6BfIu)

239 My Life Among the Deathworks, by Philip Rieff. Read and understand.

Posted by: Biff Loman at August 15, 2023 01:14 PM (AUnpJ)

240 229 A possible homicide. Even though he was a little left of center, I liked Mike Royko. No mercy for the Chicago machine. One of his columns, he described a coroner holding up a head retrieved from a garbage can and saying "we may have a homicide".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 15, 2023 01:14 PM (0EOe9)

241 233 Kemp, the only republican who can win a statewide election in GA. Because the dems love Kemp but also Warnock.

The (R) won every statewide election except for Sen in 2022.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 15, 2023 01:12 PM (CIS44)

Sorry, was just making the larger point that Kemp somehow succeeded while the dems said no to Stacy Abrams and Herschel Walker but yes to Warnock.

And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they did sweep statewide elections. And I would assume that none of them is standing up for Trump at this moment.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 15, 2023 01:15 PM (KbCG3)

242 I'll just leave this here for anyone who is keeping up at home:

1963 Communist Goals to conquer the U.S., per the Congressional record:

"22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression.

An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.

" Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.

https://tinyurl.com/2bo2k9vp

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 15, 2023 01:15 PM (OeAlt)

243 Just more hastening of The Collapse of western civ.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at August 15, 2023 01:16 PM (PWI4f)

244 I remember playing clips of Senator Warlock saying mind numbingly stupid things to lefty LIVs* and kept getting "BUT WALKER!!!" and then I'd ask SPECIFICALLY what did Walker say and getting radio silence.

*My favorite Warlock moment was when he blamed Bidenflation on the evil shipping container cartels. Seriously.
Posted by: 18-1
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Warnock spent millions in providing gift cards to vote harvesters with bonuses for bringing in ballots. Easy way to pay off voters. GOPe sat on their ass and whined that Walker was a bad candidate and Mitch did him no favors either.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:16 PM (6BfIu)

245 NOOD Indictment

Posted by: Doof at August 15, 2023 01:16 PM (iY8R7)

246 Leftists hate Western liberal civilization for enabling people they regard as unexceptional to live bountifully and successfully in spite of both their self-vaunted theories and ample contrary evidence that their utopias cannot exist with anything close to the same level of comfort.

They live in a better utopia with capitalism and despise capitalism for giving them what communism never could.

Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at August 15, 2023 01:16 PM (eT12Z)

247 Warnock spent millions in providing gift cards to vote harvesters with bonuses for bringing in ballots. Easy way to pay off voters. GOPe sat on their ass and whined that Walker was a bad candidate and Mitch did him no favors either.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:16 PM (6BfIu)

And yet, these same folks couldn't be bothered to fill out a ballot for Abrams?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 15, 2023 01:17 PM (KbCG3)

248 So it's resolved, Kemp says the Georgia elevations are flawlessly fair.

Its a funny argument the left/GOPe rolls out.

First: There is NO fraud.

Then: Ok so DeSantis busted a bunch of people and in those local stories you sent me they've been arresting people all over the country...but it wasn't enough to affect the election.

Continuing: An independent investigation to make sure all those isolated incidents of fraud aren't really a sign of a coordinated effort? That sounds like racism to me!

Finally (almost): See you don't have PROOF of a coordinated effort.

Finally (for real): So see its proven there was NO fraud

Posted by: 18-1 at August 15, 2023 01:17 PM (lc5cP)

249 red Scott sealed the deal as the North was no longer able to restrict the spread of slavery nor their passage throughout the US.
Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:14 PM (6BfIu)

The CSA was all kinds of fucked up. And the North had enough. But the North was psychopathic in its own ways. I'm glad the North won though.

How does this have anything to do with CSA and London relations?

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:18 PM (APnMS)

250 Degradation of art? Don't look at me.

Posted by: Hunter Biden, Artiste at August 15, 2023 01:18 PM (v0R5T)

251 Presentism is one of the ten mental defects common in all Leftists. It drives a lot of their idiotic feelings of victimization where none exist.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 01:04 PM (Srp34)
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Why are you shaming me?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 15, 2023 01:18 PM (JvZF+)

252 Cultural shifts tend to begin in the academy and the fine arts, and then spread out from there. The first art forms to become hopelessly politicized were painting and poetry, and consequently they were the first art forms to fall out of favor with the general public. How many can name a favorite poet or painter active in the last 30 years? This political contagion spread to the rest of the fine arts including sculpture, classical music, and literature, rendering them unpopular among anyone but the most avant garde consumers. The last set forms to fall were movies, TV and pop music, probably because they were the most commercially lucrative.

Institutions drove this change over and against the tastes of most people. It’s a bizarre phenomenon we see repeated in many areas - a tyranny of the minority seizing control one type of human endeavor after another. How to restore the popular will is one of the most important issues of our time.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at August 15, 2023 01:18 PM (1gif2)

253 Don't forget the Free Soil Party

Posted by: Braenyard at August 15, 2023 01:18 PM (AbYHm)

254 1963 Communist Goals to conquer the U.S., per the Congressional record:

"22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression.

An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.

" Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.

https://tinyurl.com/2bo2k9vp
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 15, 2023 01:15 PM (OeAlt)

And yet -

Was modern art a weapon of the CIA?

https://tinyurl.com/867htxp9

Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 01:19 PM (Jk9SN)

255 Was modern art a weapon of the CIA?

https://tinyurl.com/867htxp9
Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 01:19 PM (Jk9SN)

Yes. Obviously. And a great way to launder money.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:19 PM (APnMS)

256 Dude. Colonel House ran the Wilson WH and he wanted the US in the War.

Now, Wilson himself may have not wanted it. He did have a stroke.
Posted by: Thesokorus

House was ambassador and minister plenipotentary. Wilson tolerated him but broke with him after being forced into WWI. Robert Lansing was also pro war. But, German actions, not the US kicked the US into war because Germany promised alliance with Mexico to attack and regain lost lands in the US. That was monumentally stupid and it destroyed the large peace movement in the interior of the country. Zimmerman admitting the Telegraph was real sealed the deal and shut up the anti war Germans and Swedes in the Northern plain states as well.

Germany has no one to blame but itself for that own goal.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:20 PM (6BfIu)

257 NOOD but NOT NUDE GEORGIA WITCH...its the other grand jury

Posted by: 18-1 at August 15, 2023 01:22 PM (lc5cP)

258 Can you all calm down over the $700 to Hawaii folks?

That's not all they will get.
You look stupid to those who know. Jeez.

$700 is the standard initial FEMA grant that pretty much everyone gets after a disaster.
Then they review for who qualifies for additional FEMA grants, rental, moving, repairs, etc.
Those that don't have insurance get sent to the SBA for low-interest loans.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 15, 2023 01:22 PM (wbBkh)

259 The CSA was all kinds of fucked up. And the North had enough. But the North was psychopathic in its own ways. I'm glad the North won though.

How does this have anything to do with CSA and London relations?
Posted by: Thesokorus
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The US Civil War came from domestic sources--primarily the elite slave holding Southern ruling class, not from perfidious Albion as you suggested earlier. Some British leaders acted opportunistically but due to popular resistance and that of the Queen, there was never any real move to openly confront the Union even after the Trent affair.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:23 PM (6BfIu)

260 GA Republican voters don't participate in run-offs.

Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 01:25 PM (Srp34)

261 NYC is asking for $12 billion from the feds for the "migrant crisis." I'd bet that it will get the money.

That's more than Trump wanted for the wall, but let's not talk about that. It was, oddly, the only time I can think of that everyone in Washington said "no" to new spending...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Agree - the DC political gaming on crisis $$$ and who gets the dough. "It's not who you know, it's who you blow".

Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2023 01:30 PM (oiNtH)

262 The US Civil War came from domestic sources--primarily the elite slave holding Southern ruling class, not from perfidious Albion as you suggested earlier. Some British leaders acted opportunistically but due to popular resistance and that of the Queen, there was never any real move to openly confront the Union even after the Trent affair.
Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:23 PM (6BfIu)

Yes dude yes. I think the but-for cause of the Civil War was London's illusory promises to the CSA.

There was no other way the CSA could have prevailed than London support.

In order to counter the threat of British involvement the North allied with anti-British forces.

London withdrew as soon as the CSA was deep in the war.

The CSA perservered in their nutty way of life because they relied on the British. And that hardheaded and dumb reliance led to the war.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:38 PM (U2yZh)

263 And yet -

Was modern art a weapon of the CIA?

https://tinyurl.com/867htxp9
Posted by: blaster at August 15, 2023 01:19 PM (Jk9SN)

Modern art was a weapon of the Frankfurt School. The CIA may have just adopted it.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 15, 2023 01:39 PM (BdMk6)

264 Zimmerman admitting the Telegraph was real sealed the deal and shut up the anti war Germans and Swedes in the Northern plain states as well.

Germany has no one to blame but itself for that own goal.

Posted by: whig at August 15, 2023 01:20 PM (6BfIu)

As bad as the Zimmerman affair was and as dumb as the krauts were in re US german support, it did not in any way necessitate US entry into the War. It just did not. Entry was made over the sentiment of the nation.

House lived in the damn WH. He ran the admin. He ran the For Pol. The League of Nations was him. The CFR was him. He had alliances with The Round Table. He was a pure Atlanticist.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:43 PM (P0plo)

265 Look whig you are a smart and well rrad guy but you aren't having a discussion with me but some strawman of your own creation.

I'm well aware of the manifold forces driving history. I truly am. I have done the math of the German blockade of England. I have read Makinder. I have read Svechin. I have read Mahan. I have read the South's side and the North's. I am aware even of the troop mvmnts by Southern sympathizers in the Army prior to the war. I know List. And Hamilton.

Despite all that I still think the British representations to the CSA and Planters was the but for cause of the US Civ War. Absent the belief in that support the South would have relented before conflict.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 15, 2023 01:49 PM (P0plo)

266 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Yes, $700 from FEMA is standard BUT this does not stop additional monies to be granted immediately under an emergency declaration as people are going through the process. The rest that you cite can take quite a while to process because - FedGov. I work for the Feds as an Emergency Manager which by no means do I declare myself an "Authority", however, I do know that although FEMA and other agencies will give the standard response per their regulations, there are always other funding avenues that can be accessed quickly. It takes a will to do so from the top and the 'Come to Jesus Meeting' to agency heads to get it done.

I am wondering if the $Billions to the Ukes are still in process or the boatloads of cash to the Iranians?

'You look stupid to those who know' Jeez. Hmmm...

Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2023 01:55 PM (oiNtH)

267 "GA Republican voters don't participate in run-offs."

Especially when their Mango Mongoloid demi-god tells them "the fix is in."

Posted by: MarleysGhost at August 15, 2023 02:46 PM (uxXx0)

268 The Sultan of Swing

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 15, 2023 04:36 PM (wGqjj)

269 Wish I saw this earlier. I am jovial every time certain people offer themselves up as finally admitting their racism. I've been watching it all play since I was 8. I have not one ounce of empathy, sympathy or one giant give-a-flying fuck for them. It has been swirling all around this country since the horrific, dehumanizing import of Africans.

Posted by: sidney at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (hGlnS)

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