Jonathan Turley: The Very Special Counsel Jack Smith is Prosecuting Trump for, He Claims, Lying During a Political Campaign.<br>When Will He Be Prosecuting Biden for Lying About Hunter's Laptop?

Jonathan Turley: The Very Special Counsel Jack Smith is Prosecuting Trump for, He Claims, Lying During a Political Campaign.
When Will He Be Prosecuting Biden for Lying About Hunter's Laptop?

Jack Smith says that Trump's "lies" can be prosecuted because they were part of a scheme to "defraud the United States" -- of "confidence" in voting.

I'd point out that Joe Biden schemed to deny free speech rights to millions of Americans. His scheme wasn't just to lie about the laptop -- it was to lie about the laptop so that his his fellow conspirators could then bully social media companies into censoring Americans from spreading true news about the laptop.

His lies had a purpose -- to deprive half of the United States of their civil rights.

After last week's indictment of former President Donald Trump relating to the 2020 election, CNN declared that the charges were "personal" for President Joe Biden, who previously said Trump's words sounded like "sedition."
Of course, Trump was not charged with sedition or even seditious conspiracy. Nor was he charged with conspiracy to incitement or insurrection, the grounds for his second impeachment.
However, if Biden does view this case as personal, as CNN suggests, he might be right for the wrong reason. That's because the case being constructed against Trump by Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith could prove a serious problem for Biden, too -- particularly as the basis for a House impeachment inquiry.
The latest Trump indictment, based on little new evidence and even less established law, faces a major threshold challenge under the First Amendment. Smith is seeking to criminalize what constitutes disinformation, which not only runs against the grain of the First Amendment but also prior cases. That includes United States v. Alvarez, which overturned the conviction of a politician for knowingly lying about his military background.
The Justice Department acknowledges that the Constitution protects false statements made in political campaigns. Yet it maintains that Trump can be convicted for lying because he really did not believe what he said.

And Joe Biden knew the laptop was real, but he lied about it during a national debate, and he coordinated with his partisans like former Acting CIA Director Mike Morrell to draft a lie and have 50 other "intelligence community professionals" sign that lie so that they could take it to Facebook, Twitter, and the worthless broadcast "news" companies and bully them into suppressing a perfectly true and newsworthy story.

The problem is that the effect of these lies largely fueled the actions of third parties. If Trump were accused of using fraud for pecuniary gain or of lying to federal investigators, there would be no free-speech problem. The complaint, however, focuses on the lies rather than any larceny or standalone crime. It is diffuse in saying that raising doubts over the election undermined the value or results of voting. Previous challenges have been made to certification of presidential elections with little basis (including by Democrats) and even alternative sets of electors have been submitted without criminal charges.
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There is a wicked twist in all of this for Biden. The very controversial linchpin used against Trump could conceivably be used against Biden, particularly in the launching of an impeachment inquiry by House Republicans.
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[B]iden has long been accused of knowing disregard for constitutional limitations as his administration has pushed unconstitutional measures. For example, Biden conceded that his own White House counsel and trusted legal advisers uniformly told him that renewing a national eviction moratorium would be unconstitutional -- but he listened instead to a Harvard law professor who reportedly assured him he had the authority. His eviction-ban order was quickly found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

He notes this is like the "crime" Trump committed of ignoring one set of lawyers (telling him he had no case) and indulging another set (telling him he could set aside the election).

If Biden can lawyer-shop and not face Life in Prison for it, why can't Trump?

Far more serious are the accusations facing Biden over his response to a growing corruption scandal allegedly involving his son and others. It now seems clear that Biden has lied to the public for years on critical details of the scandal. Indeed, his denial of any knowledge or involvement in his son's overseas business deals go back to the 2020 presidential debate.
Biden also denied that Hunter Biden received any money from China, which the Washington Post now declares to be manifestly untrue. For years, Biden has allowed his staff, including White House officials, to repeat his denials while opposing any further investigation.
That is why guilt by implication or association, as employed by special counsel Smith against Trump, could be a dangerous legal standard for Joe Biden.
Hunter Biden's former friend and associate, Devon Archer, told House Oversight Committee investigators last week that they were indeed selling "the brand" and that Joe Biden was part of that brand.
Ironically, Rep. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) -- who demolished Biden's defense in an earlier House hearing with two IRS agents -- repeated the same blunder during Archer's closed-door committee appearance. In the previous hearing, Goldman bizarrely raised the instance of Joe Biden going to a lunch at the Four Seasons with Hunter and his Chinese business associates.
In his own committee appearance, Archer was careful not to overstate his knowledge of demands made on then-Vice President Biden and denied personal knowledge of any. Yet Goldman refused to leave a good answer alone and plowed forward into the unknown. He noted that Archer had said they discussed "niceties" -- "Where are you, how's the weather, how's the fishing?" -- in more than 20 phone calls with the senior Biden in the presence of Hunter's foreign business partners. Goldman pressed Archer to expand, and Archer did, stating: "They were calls to talk about the weather, and that was signal enough to be powerful."
In other words, the point was the call itself -- the access -- not the content of the calls.
Later, in a media interview, Archer reaffirmed that it is "categorically false" that Joe Biden had no role in or knowledge of his son's business dealings, stating: "He was aware of Hunter's business. He met with Hunter's business partners."

An amicus brief should be submitted to the Florida judge asking just these questions, and demanding that the Very Special Counsel Jack Smith answer them.

There is never a good time for a prosecutor to get cute and invent Strange New Laws and try out exotic legal theories just to "get" someone he hates.

It is especially not the time to do that in the context of attempting to jail the current front runner to challenge the man who put Jack Smith on this prosecution.

By the way, Biden, of course, lied about not having told anyone that he wanted to see Trump prosecuted, too.

Look what was buried deep in the pages of the New York Times this April.

Joe Biden’s view of a prospective Trump indictment… pic.twitter.com/mFalcNRSYU
— Kayleigh McEnany (@kayleighmcenany) August 5, 2023

Will he be prosecuted for that?

Or will that be determined to be one of the many Legal Lies that Democrats are permitted -- nay, justified -- in telling the public?

Posted by: Ace at 05:03 PM

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1 It's a low level war at this point. I pray we find out way through it.

Posted by: jc at August 09, 2023 05:05 PM (N1WXz)

2 Just have to figure out one more charge..
~Jack S.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 09, 2023 05:05 PM (ysaNs)

3 His lies had a purpose -- to deprive half of the United States of their civil rights.

Douglas Mackey "Ricky Vaughn" has entered the chat†

† the meme maker looking at ten years of prison time for telling people voting for Hillary to do so through texting or social media.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 09, 2023 05:06 PM (p8A+W)

4 No.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at August 09, 2023 05:07 PM (ytSiK)

5 >>Jonathan Turley: The Very Special Counsel Jack Smith is Prosecuting Trump for, He Claims, Lying During a Political Campaign.

all politicians lie during campaigns
this is not new

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:07 PM (geLO8)

6 Assuming it hasn't been mentioned, Robbie Robertson died today.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 09, 2023 05:08 PM (VBjA0)

7 So, when will Trump be indicted for using the term "bigly" or "yuuge" since they aren't real words? I mean those are lies, too, since they mislead the public on account they aren't real and the public might get confused.

F*** this corrupt persecutor in both ears. He's as political an activist as there is but for some blue hair and nose rings.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at August 09, 2023 05:08 PM (aXxgO)

8 Smith is viciously evil.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 09, 2023 05:08 PM (XFBHF)

9 At this point if people are saying it is about enforcing the *law* they are lying. This is nothing more than lawfare with the aim to bankrupt trump and prevent him from actively campaigning.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 09, 2023 05:09 PM (QNSds)

10 There are a legion that need to be tried and put in jail for doing what Jack Smith claims Trump did. Of course, Trump is on the wrong side of the Deep State, so that's all the matters.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 09, 2023 05:09 PM (ynpvh)

11 The very controversial linchpin used against Trump could conceivably be used against Biden, particularly in the launching of an impeachment inquiry by House Republicans.
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Yeah I'm sure he's shaking in his demented boots

Posted by: ... at August 09, 2023 05:10 PM (krYYY)

12 >Jack Smith says that Trump's "lies" can be prosecuted because they were part of a scheme to "defraud the United States" -- of "confidence" in voting.

I'm no lawyer, but this sounds like one helluva stretch of pseudo-logic

The Bible tells us about 'the doubting Thomas'. This is against the law now?

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:10 PM (geLO8)

13 11 The very controversial linchpin used against Trump could conceivably be used against Biden, particularly in the launching of an impeachment inquiry by House Republicans.
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Yeah I'm sure he's shaking in his demented boots

Posted by: ... at August 09, 2023 05:10 PM (krYYY)

those laws don't apply to them.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 09, 2023 05:10 PM (ynpvh)

14 Boom!
Hulu funding question.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 09, 2023 05:11 PM (ufFY8)

15 Yeah, none of that shit matters. They are in charge and the shit is rigged. They don’t care about logic or sound legal reasoning.

I don’t know why they even bother writing articles like that.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 09, 2023 05:11 PM (JTwsP)

16 12 >Jack Smith says that Trump's "lies" can be prosecuted because they were part of a scheme to "defraud the United States" -- of "confidence" in voting.

I'm no lawyer, but this sounds like one helluva stretch of pseudo-logic

The Bible tells us about 'the doubting Thomas'. This is against the law now?

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:10 PM (geLO

Should we feel confident in voting? I mean, if Jakie-boy wants us to feel confident in our voting system, he should look at going after all the folks involved in voter fraud.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 09, 2023 05:11 PM (ynpvh)

17 I think Jack-Jack The Errand Boy gets off on stretching the law to unheard of dimensions, like his wife's *FartClam gets stretched by The Cabana Boy.

* Is FartClam one or two words?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 09, 2023 05:12 PM (XV/Pl)

18 >>Jack Smith says that Trump's "lies" can be prosecuted because they were part of a scheme to "defraud the United States" -- of "confidence" in voting.

that ship sailed long ago, asshole

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:12 PM (geLO8)

19 >>>There is a wicked twist in all of this for Biden. The very controversial linchpin used against Trump could conceivably be used against Biden, particularly in the launching of an impeachment inquiry by House Republicans.

LOL no.

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:13 PM (SpRPx)

20 Ace -
https://legalinsurrection.com/twitter served with.warrant-for-trumps account fined 350k and held in contempt

Trump hasn't used it in years

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 05:13 PM (MOY79)

21 those 51 "intelligence" officers signed onto a known lie.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 09, 2023 05:13 PM (ynpvh)

22 It's "his truth"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 09, 2023 05:13 PM (63Dwl)

23 He's gonna get slapped down by the Supreme Court harder than his wife's pimp slaps dat ass.

He looks like the kinda guy that watches the action from the closet, IYNWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 09, 2023 05:13 PM (XV/Pl)

24 Turley's commentary for the past year is based on the premise that "Law" is being practiced and that it is in charge. Get it through your thick heads that this is not about law. It's lawfare and, more significantly, brute Power. There is no Law.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at August 09, 2023 05:14 PM (aXxgO)

25 This case is so weak that a DC jury may have a hard time convicting Trump.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at August 09, 2023 05:14 PM (wpJDK)

26 These are Nazi/Soviet show indictments/ trials.

Still, no local 'Republican' DA has pursued the election cheating that unleashed ALL OF THIS. . That apparently would not be a hill to die on

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at August 09, 2023 05:14 PM (lVEzZ)

27 5 all politicians lie during campaigns
this is not new
Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:07 PM (geLO

They prognosticate positive outcomes!

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:15 PM (SpRPx)

28 Jesus, Iger sounds like an idiot.

Babbling about cost reductions.
Repeating himself.
'Improving margins'

"We know how much work we have to do."

Funding:
Have some cash, and a good rating for the debt market.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 09, 2023 05:15 PM (ufFY8)

29 We are so screwed

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 09, 2023 05:16 PM (0oA+c)

30
Impeachment inquiry? Hell yes. Every day a drip, drip, drip of STD infused t'aint.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 09, 2023 05:16 PM (enJYY)

31 Assuming it hasn't been mentioned, Robbie Robertson died today.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 09, 2023 05:08 PM (VBjA0)

He was a good newspaperman.

Posted by: J. Jonah Jameson at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (FRu7m)

32 Here're some LIARS for you:

“Chicken in every pot” was Republican campaign slogan of the late 1920s.

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (SpRPx)

33 Teamsters are going to kill the golden egg

UPS

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (0oA+c)

34 Remember the extra step in Joe's lie about the laptop.

He got 51 people with ties to intelligence agencies to lie so that HE could avoid saying that the laptop wasn't real, but called on their authority to say that the laptop wasn't real.

Listen to his wording during that debate. HE says that THEY said... he doesn't make the claim himself.

Posted by: Synova at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (BD/yx)

35 Twitter argues that the nondisclosure order violated the First Amendment and the Stored Communications Act; that the district court should have stayed its enforcement of the search warrant until after Twitter’s objections to the nondisclosure order were resolved; and that the district court abused its discretion by holding Twitter in contempt and imposing the sanction. We affirm the district court in all respects.

The Court found the government’s argument compelling because its “interest is heightened where an investigation has national security implications,for no governmental interest is more compelling than the security of the Nation.'”

Which court? The DC Court of Appeals. Not a scintilla of corruption. Trump's tweets were totes a threat to the nation!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (ynpvh)

36 Is Iger rolling marbles in his hand?

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (/UtnQ)

37 12 The Bible tells us about 'the doubting Thomas'. This is against the law now?
Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:10 PM (geLO

Was he a Republican?

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:18 PM (SpRPx)

38 Jack Smith has dead male prostitutes in his crawl space.

If I'm lying, he can come prosecute me.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 09, 2023 05:18 PM (dGCAG)

39 Over top the door to any Democrat's door:

Leave your shame outside. Abandon justice, all ye who enter here.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 09, 2023 05:18 PM (G0bXQ)

40 Last Q about Dis getting sold.

Lmao

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 09, 2023 05:19 PM (ufFY8)

41 25 This case is so weak that a DC jury may have a hard time convicting Trump.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at August 09, 2023 05:14 PM (wpJDK)

LOL, the humor here.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 09, 2023 05:19 PM (ynpvh)

42 I beat up Corn POP, he was a bad dude !

Posted by: Joe Bitem master of the English langauge Master baiter and orater at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (NtVYv)

43 chicken in every pot & a car in every garage

Posted by: Braenyard , thinks there are more people than the Bidens with their clock on the line. at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (O2rhH)

44 If you have to say "I'm honest", well....

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (MeG8a)

45 "What about Biden?" aint gonna fly. It's not about enforcing laws.

Posted by: fd at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (vFG9F)

46 He notes this is like the "crime" Trump committed of ignoring one set of lawyers (telling him he had no case) and indulging another set (telling him he could set aside the election).

I attended a CLE about the disciplnary machinery being mobilized against the latter faction (Eastman in particular). It was surreal. At one point, one of the election law experts on the panel agreed that there was a basis in law or good faith basis for extending the law supporting that position. But he and the others on the panel still insisted that it was sanctionable conduct because it was an attempt to undermine the constitution and all lawyers take an oath to uphold the constitution. It was Humpty Dumpty-like nonsense. Everything that's happening is extralegal. Law just has nothing to do with it, even though its all being framed in legalese.

Posted by: guy wut has the electrical helmet and such at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (ppBhU)

47 Is Iger rolling marbles in his hand?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (/UtnQ)

No, in his butt

Posted by: Joe Bitem master of the English langauge Master baiter and orater at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (NtVYv)

48 Get off me, helmet.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 09, 2023 05:21 PM (ppBhU)

49 My word as a Biden.

Jail

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 09, 2023 05:21 PM (NtVYv)

50 45 "What about Biden?" aint gonna fly. It's not about enforcing laws.
Posted by: fd at August 09, 2023 05:20 PM (vFG9F)

Yeah, we know. Ace doesn't post this dual justice BS because he thinks it's gonna wake them up. It's just anger porn at this point.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 09, 2023 05:22 PM (G0bXQ)

51 31 He was a good newspaperman.
Posted by: J. Jonah Jameson at August 09, 2023 05:17 PM (FRu7m)

Growing up, I always wondered why nobody ever mentioned that he had the same name as the #2 guy at the Daily Bugle.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at August 09, 2023 05:22 PM (aVRv1)

52 The guy the FBI killed in Provo is an 80 year old 300 lb guy who toddled around on a cane. Apparently this is not the FBI's first visit to his home.

twitter.com/JWhitebread1/status/1689288979307229184

Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:22 PM (0N1h0)

53 Seems more like the very special prosecutor is using popular twitter blue anon accusations of "crimes" as the basis for indictments.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:23 PM (ssESX)

54 Most people in this country have no idea what is going on and really don't care who is president as long as it's not that guy the media demonizes because he exposes who they are.

Posted by: fd at August 09, 2023 05:23 PM (vFG9F)

55 how much would I laugh if some red county in a red state were to indict and arrest prosecutor smith for whatever theory they can cook up.

it would be even better if he had to spend about 3 days in the trunk of some bounty hunter's car on the way to his arraignment.

turnabout is always fair play.

Posted by: jc at August 09, 2023 05:23 PM (N1WXz)

56 So more info about the FBI murdering the guy in Provo today... he was 80 years old, walked with a cane, used Oxygen.

That said, apparently he had quite the arsenal. And several years ago he posted with a ghilley suit, I think it's called.

The FBI had staked out and followed this guy to church back in March... yet chose today to go in, full court press. The man ended up firing at the FBI and they killed him. The day Joe Biden is flying to Utah.

Posted by: GanGanowicz at August 09, 2023 05:24 PM (AxRGS)

57 I used to be un-Constitutional.

Posted by: Writ of Attainder at August 09, 2023 05:24 PM (AMIL/)

58 wait... what??? It's now illegal to lie during a political campaign??? Do ALL the political candidates know about this? Including Rommly and Prence?

Posted by: lin-duh at August 09, 2023 05:24 PM (UUBmN)

59 This case is so weak that a DC jury may have a hard time convicting Trump.

Posted by: Eddie Baby

Said no DC jury ever.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 09, 2023 05:24 PM (ysaNs)

60 As say often Law makes my eyes glaze over.
Is Jack the Ripper Smith claiming this bull shit since no court has fought of voter fraud?
Hence no court found vote fraud. It must never have happened?

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 05:25 PM (MOY79)

61 of course, a house impeachment of biden could give the dems an excuse to run someone who isn't senile or kamala.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:25 PM (B1FKF)

62 "This case is so weak that a DC jury may have a hard time convicting Trump.
Posted by: Eddie Baby"

They can do it with their eyes and ears closed.

Posted by: fd at August 09, 2023 05:26 PM (vFG9F)

63 56 The man ended up firing at the FBI
Posted by: GanGanowicz at August 09, 2023 05:24 PM (AxRGS)

That probably wasn't a good idea.

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:27 PM (SpRPx)

64 56. Hmm, perhaps the 80 year old was a bit of suicide by FBI. Did he post that he'd like to kill the senile pervert POTUS on FB or something? Sorry if this is a dumb Q. I had not heard the story before this thread.

Posted by: PaleRider at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (3cGpq)

65 Biden stepped down in disgrace from the 1988 Presidential run for plagiarizing that Brit Labour Party fella’s speech.

Posted by: Rex B at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (RM1wO)

66 Color me cynical, bet the Eff Bee Eye set the poor old guy up

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (MOY79)

67 The left wouldn't be able to get away with this lawfare unless they knew they had the goons necessary for enforcement.

People connected with the Junta routinely ignore laws they don't like because the enforcement arm only works one direction: againsr perceived enemies of the state.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (2YtOq)

68 Did he have a manifesto? He must have.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (pQt72)

69 >Hmm, perhaps the 80 year old was a bit of suicide by FBI. Did he post that he'd like to kill the senile pervert POTUS on FB or something?

so the FBI claims

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (geLO8)

70 I'm sure the media will treat the Utah idiot as a one off and not attempt to paint every conservative...

Oh never mind.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (G0bXQ)

71 24/48-hour rule

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (SpRPx)

72 @62 They haven't seen a guilty verdict they didn't like.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (ssESX)

73 I know it’s old, but I like it: Top. Men.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (glGDV)

74 I don't think Biden would lie about the laptop to deceive people.

He either wasn't aware of it or at worst he was protecting his family a vicious attacks like any good person would do.

Trump lied to try to cause a civil war. It's not the same. When Trump lied 6 police officers got murdered by Trump's goons and probably another 100 had to go to the hospital.

Posted by: Paul at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (/11g9)

75 BTW, an autopsy finds Robert De Niro's grandson died from a combination of drugs including fentanyl and cocaine.

So even famous, rich guys' family can't afford coke as pure as the itsy-bitsy White House "not a dime bag even" bag.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (krqg6)

76 how much would I laugh if some red county in a red state were to indict and arrest prosecutor smith for whatever theory they can cook up.

it would be even better if he had to spend about 3 days in the trunk of some bounty hunter's car on the way to his arraignment.

turnabout is always fair play.
Posted by: jc at August 09, 2023 05:23 PM (N1WXz)

Just make up some legal hocus pocus. Something like this could be done. Even citizen's arrest.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (BdMk6)

77 I remember the "very special" episodes of Family Matters, Step By Step, Punky Brewster, Silver Spoons, Full House, Different Strokes, and Boy Meets World.

Posted by: Very Special Edd at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (83IzV)

78 and remember, the 51 intelligence experts said it "sounded like classic russian disinformation" so they could say they weren't lying, they just said "sounded like"

some people know how to throw bullcrap better than others

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (B1FKF)

79 5 >>Jonathan Turley: The Very Special Counsel Jack Smith is Prosecuting Trump for, He Claims, Lying During a Political Campaign.

all politicians lie during campaigns
this is not new
Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:07 PM (geLO

Yes, but Trump was on DeepState double-secret probation for lying about DeepState and its Blue State and City subsidiaries.

Posted by: Gref at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (AMIL/)

80 Posted by: Paul at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (/11g9)

These usually get zapped before I see them.
Golly, real dumb.

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (SpRPx)

81 63: Yeah, but it sounds like a bunch of FIBBers came breaking down his door. I think many people's first instinct would be to react as though it was a home invasion if the law came breaking in with a 'no knock' warrant.

Posted by: PaleRider at August 09, 2023 05:30 PM (3cGpq)

82 Watch me fit this dick in my mouth sideways.

Posted by: Pawl at August 09, 2023 05:31 PM (vFG9F)

83 65 Biden stepped down in disgrace from the 1988 Presidential run for plagiarizing that Brit Labour Party fella’s speech.
Posted by: Rex B at August 09, 2023 05:28 PM (RM1wO)

===

even that shows leftist privilege. he didn't exactly plagiarize a speech -- he attempted to steal the guy's life story as his own -- that's the part of the speech he stole.

a complete and total fraud -- not a 'I neglected to cite' thing.

even when the media tells the truth, they still lie.

Posted by: jc at August 09, 2023 05:31 PM (N1WXz)

84 Posted by: Paul at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (/11g9)
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You're a DICK!!

Posted by: jeff spicoli's brother at August 09, 2023 05:31 PM (krqg6)

85 Politicians Lie.

Trump is not a real politician therefore it is illegal for him to lie.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 05:31 PM (ga8qR)

86 This indictment is the legal equivalent of waving a rubber chicken while marking fart noises.

Posted by: Zek at August 09, 2023 05:31 PM (5FPX4)

87 Trump lied to try to cause a civil war. It's not the same. When Trump lied 6 police officers got murdered by Trump's goons and probably another 100 had to go to the hospital.
Posted by: Paul at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (/11g9)

You are a g-damn liar. Go to hell, you stupid fuck.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Kaboom survivor at August 09, 2023 05:31 PM (T/Lqj)

88 re 74: give paul an award for the best trolling of the day.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM (B1FKF)

89 Sure Paul. Sure.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM (G0bXQ)

90 Lol.

That wasn't Paul.

It was me socking Paul. Don't ban me!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM (/11g9)

91 I've never seen a more bullshitier case than this one.

Posted by: runner at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM (T4poM)

92 The thread is prolapsing again

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM (NtVYv)

93
I stay the hell out of towns like Philadelphia that voted 80% Biden and his pronouncedly more intellectual associate John Fetterman. What the hell chance would a conservative have against those odds?

Suck it Philly. Not one dime. Sorry, Lovely Rita, meter maid.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 09, 2023 05:33 PM (enJYY)

94 re 86: that's five to fifteen in the slammer

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:33 PM (B1FKF)

95 Dear Paul,
"When" I had breakfast once an earthquake devastated Turkey.
"When" is not "because of" much less "intended to cause" much less "was not a protected activity, regardless of effect."

Posted by: Zek at August 09, 2023 05:33 PM (5FPX4)

96 Is Iger talking about the strawberries yet?

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 09, 2023 05:33 PM (/UtnQ)

97 I really don't expect any of this to ever go to a trial.. it's all bogus bullshit.

But just like the impeachment bullshit, they don't really care.. they just want to drag this on long enough to make Trump lose.

I fully expect Trump to be the nominee (although at this point I can't stand to look at him even though I voted for him twice).. and the Dems will go "He's under indictment! Look at the number of charges! He has to be guilty of something!"

And soccer moms and suburban women will trend toward believing the BS. Add to that the crazy-ass abortion bans the GOP is enacting in purple states and we will be guaranteed another Biden term (or Harris once he resigns). SMFH..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 09, 2023 05:33 PM (w/RvR)

98 Between Paul and Mary Cloggenstein a guy has to keep on his toes around here.

Posted by: Zek at August 09, 2023 05:34 PM (5FPX4)

99 100

Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:34 PM (SpRPx)

100 Posted by: Paul at August 09, 2023 05:29 PM (/11g9)

You’re a funny guy….and weird, very weird.

Posted by: 7man at August 09, 2023 05:34 PM (qwO6y)

101 I see Paul has checked in from the alternate reality zone again.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 09, 2023 05:34 PM (2YtOq)

102 The man ended up firing at the FBI
Posted by: GanGanowicz at August 09, 2023 05:24 PM (AxRGS)

That probably wasn't a good idea.
Posted by: m at August 09, 2023 05:27 PM (SpRPx)

I don't know. But some day I'm afraid some us are going to have to decide to pull the trigger or not.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (BdMk6)

103 I am of the opinion that there was massive systemic fraud in the last election. How massive? Enough to swing the election. Defrauding tens of millions of their votes.

Jack Smith is certainly an accessory after the fact. That should be good for a hundred million years when served consecutively.

A fair trial is a constituional right.
Jack should turn himself in.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (ga8qR)

104 89 Sure Paul. Sure.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM
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And I could say Biden sent over 100K Ukrainians to their deaths by some accounts.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (ssESX)

105 Only one way outta this boys and girls. Won't happen so maybe we should coordinate the next meet and greet on a train car to the gulag.

Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (v8dOx)

106 Jack Smith has dead male prostitutes in his crawl space.

If I'm lying, he can come prosecute me.
Posted by: BurtTC

I don't care if he does or not, I just want to hear him deny it.

Posted by: Zombie LBJ at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (H9e90)

107 I am not a lawyer, like most here, but even I can see that some capricious grievances are in no way a case.

Posted by: runner at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (T4poM)

108 Just got done listening to the Disney quarterly earnings call. Bob Iger did not sound excited or confident. The positive talk about earnings always seemed to be along the lines of "If we ignore this one big loss, then we look to be on track to..."

ESPN is partnering with Penn Entertainment for doing sports betting, and Disney looking to convert ESPN to a DTC business model (Direct to Consumer?) Wait, Disney now equals online sports betting? I guess at Disney, "The Mouse always wins."

The no-ads tier for their streaming product is going up another 20% on top of what it already did in 2022, and that happens in the fall. They said they're doing this because they didn't lose a significant number of subscribers for the previous increase. (So expect more increases I guess.)

Q&A had maybe 7 questions total, the last one was asking about what the likelihood was of the entire company being sold to another large company in the tech sector *cough* Apple *cough*. Bob said he didn't see that happening, but there were Fetterman levels of "uh" and "ah" with that answer.

Disney has a Single-A credit rating currently.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (qPw5n)

109 BC - I thought that might be a sock because of the six. But it’s hard to underestimate Paul.

Posted by: Kratwurst at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (nIRE6)

110 re 82: i've seen porn pics of womn giving a guy oral and the way she has it in her mouth she looks like she's trying to brush her teeth

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (B1FKF)

111 In any dispute between the FBI and a person-at-large, I give benefit of doubt to that person, unless and until that person is proven to be an actual criminal

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (geLO8)

112 Disney no-ad tier: That's a PRICE increase to customers.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (qPw5n)

113 It was me socking Paul. Don't ban me!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 09, 2023 05:32 PM (/11g9)

*Kyle Broflovksi voice* You Bastard!!!

well played. *reluctant golf-clap*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Kaboom survivor at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (T/Lqj)

114 @102 before you do, make sure you have the high ground.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (ssESX)

115 Dozens and dozens of people knowingly lied about a fake dossier, primarily Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: polynikes at August 09, 2023 05:36 PM (RUOzb)

116 Were you supposed to watch the 'very special episodes' with parents as they usually delved into not nice subjects for the kiddos? I know I didnt

Posted by: a dude in MI at August 09, 2023 05:37 PM (/6GbT)

117 re 82: i've seen porn pics of womn giving a guy oral and the way she has it in her mouth she looks like she's trying to brush her teeth

4 out of 5 dentists agree that dicks don't prevent cavities. Byt ladies, there's still a 20% chance it might.

Posted by: internet dentist at August 09, 2023 05:37 PM (ppBhU)

118 According to Jack Smith, getting up on the left side of the bed isn't a crime, but "conspiracy to get up on the left side of the bed" apparently is.

Posted by: Zek at August 09, 2023 05:37 PM (5FPX4)

119 52 The guy the FBI killed in Provo is an 80 year old 300 lb guy who toddled around on a cane. Apparently this is not the FBI's first visit to his home.

twitter.com/JWhitebread1/status/1689288979307229184
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:22 PM (0N1h0)

Would someone here please go to archive.today and make sure that's been archived before it goes down the memory hole? I'm trapped in captcha prison so I can't do it myself.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 09, 2023 05:37 PM (DTX3h)

120
"If you like your doctor..."

Posted by: Not a Liar at All at August 09, 2023 05:37 PM (lCaJd)

121 I did notice our country quickly morphing in to 1930s Germany and nobody believed me.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 09, 2023 05:38 PM (17s+e)

122 P Doocy climbs over a barrier to ask Biden about the testimony that Biden was on speakerphone with Hunter's "business partners" talking business.

twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1689390008086450178

Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:39 PM (0N1h0)

123 If you're concerned about criminal liability for your political statements, just run all your statements through our user friendly portal and we'll tell you if it's okay.

Posted by: Mini Justice at August 09, 2023 05:39 PM (5FPX4)

124 It was me socking Paul. Don't ban me!
---------
You're a DICK!

Posted by: jeff spicoli's brother at August 09, 2023 05:39 PM (krqg6)

125 WTF would Apple do with Disney?

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 09, 2023 05:39 PM (/UtnQ)

126 Let's get real here: the FBI was going to make sure they had a real right wing terrorist scalp to hang on the wall, no matter what.

It's completely irrelevant if the guy fired first, because, at this point, the FBI is not to be trusted about anything and they're probably the ones making the claim.

The guy is dead, FBI medals will abound and the press will be gleeful a "real" right wing terrorist was taken out.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 09, 2023 05:40 PM (2YtOq)

127 re 117: and on japanese porn you can find out what is good for your complexion. paul probably believes it.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:40 PM (B1FKF)

128 Don't sock trolls
I wouldn't want to call in fire on a regular poster

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:41 PM (geLO8)

129 I don't like this new X thingk. I keep clicking on the X to exit the page.

Posted by: fd at August 09, 2023 05:41 PM (vFG9F)

130 125 WTF would Apple do with Disney?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 09, 2023 05:39 PM (/UtnQ)

Release the same movie every year with a different letter in the title and call it at new release?

Posted by: a dude in MI at August 09, 2023 05:41 PM (/6GbT)

131 WTF would Apple do with Disney?
Posted by: Puddinhead

iMouse

Posted by: Stu Podaso at August 09, 2023 05:41 PM (H9e90)

132 PaleRider: "I think many people's first instinct would be to react as though it was a home invasion if the law came breaking in with a 'no knock' warrant."

Agreed. If I'm on a jury and The Law engages in a no-knock raid, I'm siding with the target. There's no way our policing forces cannot mobilize the resources required to cordon off a threat. Why should a citizen be burdened with some unknown deadly force barging in and not be righteous in firing back no questions asked? Even as they announce, how can they know for certain that the law is actually the law considering the stress and speed of the situation?

"No Knocks" are an excuse to assassinate, and I'm in the camp that wants nasty, awful things done to, for example, kidnappers and drug distributors.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at August 09, 2023 05:42 PM (aXxgO)

133 123 If you're concerned about criminal liability for your political statements, just run all your statements through our user friendly portal and we'll tell you if it's okay.
Posted by: Mini Justice at August 09, 2023 05:39 PM (5FPX4)
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Also be sure your web browser settings enable sending Google (or M$) your search history so they can offer helpful suggestions.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:42 PM (ssESX)

134 igoofy: the movie.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:43 PM (B1FKF)

135 Only one way outta this boys and girls. Won't happen so maybe we should coordinate the next meet and greet on a train car to the gulag.
Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (v8dOx)

I won't be there. I'm not getting on any train headed for Happy Camp.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 05:44 PM (BdMk6)

136 The guy the FBI killed in Provo is an 80 year old 300 lb guy who toddled around on a cane. Apparently this is not the FBI's first visit to his home.

twitter.com/JWhitebread1/status/1689288979307229184
Posted by: bonhomme

He must have bum rushed them, falling forward at the speed of gravity.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 05:44 PM (ga8qR)

137 Jack Smith reminds me of Anton Levay

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 09, 2023 05:45 PM (XFBHF)

138 If not banning, how about en-barreling?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 09, 2023 05:45 PM (ysaNs)

139 How the MFM is reporting the Utah guy's story:

Utah man accused threatening U.S. President Biden shot and killed by FBI before president's visit to the state.

#56 Ghillie Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
1 : a male attendant on a Scottish Highland chief broadly : attendant 2 chiefly Scotland and Ireland : a fishing and hunting guide

I've seen it used mainly as a servant used for hunting such as being a loader.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 09, 2023 05:45 PM (krqg6)

140 > WTF would Apple do with Disney?

Make small, incremental changes in whatever direction the innovators in that field are taking. And remove older features that everyone likes.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:45 PM (0N1h0)

141 How does a 300 lb-er make it to 80? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 09, 2023 05:46 PM (YzWGa)

142 128 Don't sock trolls
I wouldn't want to call in fire on a regular poster
Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 05:41 PM (geLO

Yeah, if you're gonna do something like that then you gotta tweak the name a bit like "Pawl" or "Poo-al".

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 09, 2023 05:46 PM (DTX3h)

143 Bitter Clinger, the JoeF of the Paul sock.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 09, 2023 05:46 PM (2YtOq)

144
And soccer moms and suburban women will trend toward believing the BS.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

==========

They're not going to vote for RDS or Pence or Nikki Haley either, so don't worrit none about candidate Trump being the worst thing Republican primary voters ever did.

Posted by: Not a Liar at All at August 09, 2023 05:47 PM (lCaJd)

145 Troll socks are crusty.

Posted by: rainmando at August 09, 2023 05:47 PM (ppBhU)

146 how much would I laugh if some red county in a red state were to indict and arrest prosecutor smith for whatever theory they can cook up.

it would be even better if he had to spend about 3 days in the trunk of some bounty hunter's car on the way to his arraignment.

turnabout is always fair play.
Posted by: jc at August 09, 2023 05:23 PM (N1WXz)

The fact that none of this -- or anything near it-- has happened is a strong indicator that the fundamental transformation' of America is near complete.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at August 09, 2023 05:48 PM (tiaFQ)

147 'Biden has done everything except solve or address the PTSD and Trauma of the previous administration and he must start addressing this.'
'Michelle (Obama), in her wise and demonstrative examples encouraged us to make healthier choices... And then Trump...(I am in shock at such a choice for leader of the USA!!!...I changed political parties)'
'President Joe Biden’s wisdom, in part, comes from his varied experiences in his decades-long service to our Democracy.'
'I love how Biden has handled this country but I do think that the swarms of disinformation needs to be addressed and condemned.'

Posted by: Democrats On Substack at August 09, 2023 05:48 PM (/BBNv)

148 Aftermath video from the fire in Lahaina in HI.

twitter.com/nohea_d/status/1689377796215472128

Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:49 PM (0N1h0)

149 in case anyone cares, yahoo has a link to some pics of kate upton in a blue bathrobe

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:49 PM (B1FKF)

150 148 Aftermath video from the fire in Lahaina in HI.

twitter.com/nohea_d/status/1689377796215472128
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:49 PM (0N1h0)
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Dayum! Place looks like it was hit with a tactical nuke.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:50 PM (ssESX)

151 It's (D)ifferent when we do it!

Posted by: pookysgirl, channeling the Left at August 09, 2023 05:50 PM (dtlDP)

152 It's a crime because Trump isn't a Party man. It's not a crime because Brandon is a Party man.

Any real lawyer could explain this to Turley.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 09, 2023 05:50 PM (0FoWg)

153 "No Knocks" are an excuse to assassinate, and I'm in the camp that wants nasty, awful things done to, for example, kidnappers and drug distributors.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at August 09, 2023 05:42 PM (aXxgO)

Judging about how it goes in my locale, if the subject of a no knock raid is still in bed when they get there , he's not a criminal.

All the drug runners and dealers I've heard of managed to avoid apprehension because they somehow hear that the po po is on the way.

Coincidence I'm sure.

Posted by: Just Lily at August 09, 2023 05:51 PM (RLLZj)

154 > How does a 300 lb-er make it to 80? Asking for a friend.

I strongly believe that some people just have good genetics for longevity, even if they beat their body to crap. You can find plenty of fluff interviews local news stations do with very elderly people on their birthday. Inevitably the reporter will ask what their secret is. Half will say clean living and half will say they smoked or drank and they got along just fine.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:53 PM (0N1h0)

155 "I don't think Biden would lie about the laptop to deceive people.

He either wasn't aware of it or at worst he was protecting his family a vicious attacks like any good person would do."

Does this guy not understand people here are fairly aware of the Joe and hunter Biden case?

For example, Hunter kept on his laptop a phone message from Dad saying the heat was off his cases.

So, no, Joe does know all about this stuff

Stop lying.

Posted by: Harun at August 09, 2023 05:53 PM (Cg63x)

156 Prosecute the FBI, Jack Smith. Prosecute the 51 IC "leaders" who signed the Biden "Russia, Russia, Russia!" letter right before the debate.

They all knowingly lied. They did it to defraud the voters. They fucking say this out loud, you gravy-sucking dweezel!!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 09, 2023 05:54 PM (+h4Za)

157 How does a 300 lb-er make it to 80? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 09, 2023 05:46 PM (YzWGa)

Perhaps everything people believe from the government and medical professions is just made up bullshit.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 05:54 PM (BdMk6)

158
99 100
Posted by: m

==============

Good thing for you the boss of this forum isn't Jack Smith!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 09, 2023 05:54 PM (lCaJd)

159 Obviously Johnathan Turley has not heard of the Orangemanbad clause of the constitution.

Posted by: Duke Lowell, Golden Jackal at August 09, 2023 05:54 PM (u73oe)

160 to what do you attribute your long life?

to not dying.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 05:54 PM (B1FKF)

161 Smith wears tight whitiee with pentagram.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 09, 2023 05:55 PM (XFBHF)

162 2 "This case is so weak that a DC jury may have a hard time convicting Trump.
Posted by: Eddie Baby"

They can do it with their eyes and ears closed.
Posted by: fd at August 09, 2023 05:26 PM (vFG9F)

Hey they could do it by text message while watching The View. It's the DC Way Jake.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at August 09, 2023 05:55 PM (tiaFQ)

163 Solid...I had suspicions about 6 people killed...

damn.

Posted by: Harun at August 09, 2023 05:55 PM (Cg63x)

164 So even famous, rich guys' family can't afford coke as pure as the itsy-bitsy White House "not a dime bag even" bag.
Posted by: andycanuck

I think the problem is that coke is being stepped on and then the dealers are adding in fenty to re-power it, of course, killing their customers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 09, 2023 05:56 PM (IG4Id)

165 Uncle is 83 and is around 350 lbs. Things aren't going too good for him, but he's still here.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (TZ75n)

166 135 Only one way outta this boys and girls. Won't happen so maybe we should coordinate the next meet and greet on a train car to the gulag.
Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at August 09, 2023 05:35 PM (v8dOx)

I won't be there. I'm not getting on any train headed for Happy Camp.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 05:44 PM (BdMk6)

The Leftists will not use trains to transport us to the Happy Camps. They will use the Bataan Death March transportation method.

Posted by: Gref at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (AMIL/)

167
'I love how Biden has handled this country but I do think that the swarms of disinformation needs to be addressed and condemned.'
Posted by: Democrats On Substack

===============

The only place this can happen is in live presidential debate. Wanna bet Biden declines to participate?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (lCaJd)

168 If a jury member waivers on convicting Trump, they'll soon be brought into line.

Not even kidding.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (2YtOq)

169 150 148 Aftermath video from the fire in Lahaina in HI.

twitter.com/nohea_d/status/1689377796215472128
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:49 PM (0N1h0)
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Dayum! Place looks like it was hit with a tactical nuke.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO

The dry side.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (ga8qR)

170 So reports from neighbors are coming out about the FBI raid.

FBI claims they went to serve a search warrant and the guy fired on them, forcing them to return fire and kill him.

Neighbors report the FBI was using flashbang grenades and screaming at the guy to come out. So no-knock raid at 6:15 in the morning... to "serve a search warrant." On a 80 year old guy with a cane they had been stalking since March, staking out his church and everything.

Does that sounds like serving a search warrant? Maybe it does, for this FBI.

Posted by: GanGanowicz at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (AxRGS)

171 The Very Special Counsel Jack Smith is Prosecuting Trump for, He Claims, Lying During a Political Campaign.

LOL. When is he making 537 arrests? For every member of congress, potus & veep.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 09, 2023 05:58 PM (SUJ+x)

172 154 > How does a 300 lb-er make it to 80? Asking for a friend.

I strongly believe that some people just have good genetics for longevity, even if they beat their body to crap. You can find plenty of fluff interviews local news stations do with very elderly people on their birthday. Inevitably the reporter will ask what their secret is. Half will say clean living and half will say they smoked or drank and they got along just fine.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:53 PM (0N1h0)
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I've read elsewhere that the man was 75, not 80. So less impressive and not as helpless.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 05:59 PM (ssESX)

173 Does that sounds like serving a search warrant? Maybe it does, for this FBI.
Posted by: GanGanowicz

The SF guys in Iraq would call that a "Hit".

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 06:00 PM (ga8qR)

174 Another problem. Trump wasn't lying. Whether you think there was corruption in the 2020 election or you are drooling moron like Paul and don't think there was Trump did and does think there was cheating in the election and Smith is never going to be able to prove he was lying.

Biden knowingly lied about the laptop, his knowledge of Hunter's corrupt overseas businesses and his involvement in those businesses and he's still lying about all of it despite the evidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 09, 2023 06:00 PM (ZLI7S)

175
Neighbors report the FBI was using flashbang grenades and screaming at the guy to come out. So no-knock raid at 6:15 in the morning... to "serve a search warrant." On a 80 year old guy with a cane they had been stalking since March, staking out his church and everything.

Does that sounds like serving a search warrant? Maybe it does, for this FBI.
Posted by: GanGanowicz at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (AxRGS)

*David Koresh has entered the chat.

Posted by: Just Lily at August 09, 2023 06:00 PM (RLLZj)

176 Sounds like the FBI had this Provo op in their back pocket, ready to go at some politically advantageous moment...

Nah, that's just crazy talk

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM (geLO8)

177 maybe trump's lawyers can drag in comey: did you say that hillary did this thing which was illegal? and this thing? and what about this? and then you said no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM (B1FKF)

178 I got married in Lahaina, little church right on waterfront in town

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM (MOY79)

179 France is going to fuck this up, yes?

@jacksonhinklle 6h
BREAKING: The French Armed Forces have reportedly attacked the National Guard of Niger and violated the airspace of Niger in order to suppress the rebellion 🇫🇷🇳🇪

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM (IG4Id)

180 Sure Turley. Could be used against Biden. But won't be.

That's why Smith is bringing his bullshit indictments because they don't have to make sense or even be about things being illegal.

Posted by: blaster at August 09, 2023 06:03 PM (Jk9SN)

181 it's hard to prove that someone knowingly lied when he can claim he was already senile

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 06:03 PM (B1FKF)

182 All this as the Trump supporters gaze longingly at their navels.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 09, 2023 06:03 PM (Q4IgG)

183 @175 no-knock with flashbangs, party in the USA!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 06:03 PM (ssESX)

184 “I Never Talked Business with Anybody!” – Joe Biden Snaps at Peter Doocy Over Hunter Biden-Devon Archer Question

-headline at gateway pundit

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 06:03 PM (ga8qR)

185 and Smith is never going to be able to prove he was lying.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 09, 2023 06:00 PM

Prove?

Posted by: Any Given DC Jury at August 09, 2023 06:04 PM (Wnv9h)

186 Aftermath video from the fire in Lahaina in HI.

twitter.com/nohea_d/status/1689377796215472128
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 05:49 PM (0N1h0)

Damn. Hope it didn't get the huge banyan tree that's there.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 06:04 PM (BdMk6)

187 Neighbors report the FBI was using flashbang grenades and screaming at the guy to come out. So no-knock raid at 6:15 in the morning... to "serve a search warrant." On a 80 year old guy with a cane they had been stalking since March, staking out his church and everything.

Does that sounds like serving a search warrant? Maybe it does, for this FBI.

How does that prove this was a no knock? There's a infinitessimally small difference between a no knock and a regular search.

Regular search:
*knockknock*"FBISEARCHWARRANT!!" *BATTERINGRAM*

No knock:
*BATTERINGRAM*

Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (0N1h0)

188 The Leftists will not use trains to transport us to the Happy Camps. They will use the Bataan Death March transportation method.
Posted by: Gref at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (AMIL/)

Really? Been to a Walmart lately. Most people can barely make it to the checkout line without huffing and puffing.

Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (v8dOx)

189 @184 Dude lies reflexively.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (ssESX)

190 jacksonhinklle 6h
BREAKING: The French Armed Forces have reportedly attacked the National Guard of Niger and violated the airspace of Niger in order to suppress the rebellion 🇫🇷🇳🇪
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM

The French will have real ROEs unlike our military. Niger national guard is f*cked

Posted by: Beartooth at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (JqMqI)

191 177 maybe trump's lawyers can drag in comey: did you say that hillary did this thing which was illegal? and this thing? and what about this? and then you said no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM (B1FKF)

Maybe, if the Leftist judge and the Leftist DC Court of Appeals allow it.

Magic 8-Ball sez: No Way

Posted by: Gref at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (AMIL/)

192 No boxcars on light rail so electric buses will take us to the camps.

Posted by: blaster at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (Jk9SN)

193 "Aftermath video from the fire in Lahaina in HI."

The missus and I are planning to visit in a couple of weeks, but we just got an email that our condo we've rented is a total loss.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 09, 2023 06:06 PM (MeG8a)

194 Posted at Legalinsurrection.com seems judge is going right along , maybe pushing Jack Smith that Trump was setting up a insurrection

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 06:06 PM (MOY79)

195 Of course, Trump was not charged with sedition or even seditious conspiracy. Nor was he charged with conspiracy to incitement or insurrection, the grounds for his second impeachment.

———

The reason why Trump isn’t bring charged with any insurrection related stuff is because Trump could then call as witnesses Pelosi, Schumer, Wray, the National Guard, the Capital police, any number of people imprisoned for “parading”. Not to mention the discovery process.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 09, 2023 06:06 PM (/A6QO)

196 188 The Leftists will not use trains to transport us to the Happy Camps. They will use the Bataan Death March transportation method.
Posted by: Gref at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (AMIL/)

Really? Been to a Walmart lately. Most people can barely make it to the checkout line without huffing and puffing.
Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at August 09, 2023 06:05 PM (v8dOx)

That's a feature, not a bug, in the plan.

Posted by: Gref at August 09, 2023 06:06 PM (AMIL/)

197 @187 I thought the reason for no-knock raids is that suspect is a flight risk. An invalid doesn't really qualify.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 09, 2023 06:07 PM (ssESX)

198 182 All this as the Trump supporters gaze longingly at their navels.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 09, 2023 06:03 PM (Q4IgG)

Looking for some triggering event to get things sporty? Not sure if/when that'll happen much less what it would take.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 09, 2023 06:07 PM (N39Ws)

199 Just using the term "business" he gives away that there is a "business".

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 09, 2023 06:07 PM (ga8qR)

200 >>Prove?
Posted by: Any Given DC Jury at August 09, 2023 06:04 PM (Wnv9h)

Pretty much a foregone conclusion that Trump will get convicted in a DC court but it will get overturned at the SC. He didn't even break a law, what he did said is protected speech.

But Smith did open an avenue for attack on Joe just like Turley said. This is all politics now.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 09, 2023 06:09 PM (ZLI7S)

201 jacksonhinklle 6h
BREAKING: The French Armed Forces have reportedly attacked the National Guard of Niger and violated the airspace of Niger in order to suppress the rebellion
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(lays $5 on table)

It's us. Whatever is going on over there to topple their country has us at the helm.

Posted by: Have you figured out that the gay flag is a p3d0 flag? at August 09, 2023 06:09 PM (IQOtg)

202 Nemesis is coming for the US:

@mtracey 5m
After a year of denials, evidence finally emerges showing US officials *did* in fact pressure Pakistan to oust Imran Khan because he met with Putin the day of the Ukraine invasion. This was done at the express direction of the White House, the cable claims

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 09, 2023 06:10 PM (IG4Id)

203 No boxcars on light rail so electric buses will take us to the camps.
Posted by: blaster

Electric buses? We are safe then.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 09, 2023 06:10 PM (SUJ+x)

204 We need to send billions in military aid to Niger NOW because of reasons!

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 06:10 PM (geLO8)

205 Trump hasn't been charged with sedition and conspiracy.

Yet.

Posted by: blaster at August 09, 2023 06:10 PM (Jk9SN)

206 No boxcars on light rail so electric buses will take us to the camps.
Posted by: blaster

They've hit a speed bump with that:

@JesseBWatters 21h
Kamala and Biden’s golden boy just filed for bankruptcy. Taxpayers were funding Proterra, America’s biggest electric bus company, and now the money’s missing. The whole thing was a political pump and dump scheme and top Democrats were all involved.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 09, 2023 06:11 PM (IG4Id)

207
I got married in Lahaina, little church right on waterfront in town

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 06:02 PM

♪ In Lahaina, the sugarcane grow
In Lahaina, the living is slow
In Lahaina, the mangoes are sweet
But the centipede he crawls all over your feet ♪

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 09, 2023 06:11 PM (enJYY)

208 "Jack Smith says that Trump's "lies" can be prosecuted because they were part of a scheme to "defraud the United States" -- of "confidence" in voting."

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Posted by: Javems at August 09, 2023 06:11 PM (9AACZ)

209 Indictments of Trump will become a monthly, perhaps even weekly occurrence

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 06:11 PM (geLO8)

210 I thought the reason for no-knock raids is that suspect is a flight risk. An invalid doesn't really qualify.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO

Or they will flush illegal drugs. I don't think his hypertension medication counts.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 09, 2023 06:12 PM (SUJ+x)

211 "@187 I thought the reason for no-knock raids is that suspect is a flight risk. An invalid doesn't really qualify."

You don't understand. A no-knock was necessary to keep him from flushing his computer down the toilet.

Posted by: Zek at August 09, 2023 06:12 PM (5FPX4)

212 doon backwards spells...

Posted by: DB - low trust person at August 09, 2023 06:13 PM (geLO8)

213 201 jacksonhinklle 6h
BREAKING: The French Armed Forces have reportedly attacked the National Guard of Niger and violated the airspace of Niger in order to suppress the rebellion"

For what it's worth, the French government has issued a public statement saying that this claim is nonsense and nothing like that happened. I don't like the French and don't support what they've been doing in Africa, but in a contest of credibility between them and the Nigerian Princes who want to Give You $11 Million Dollars, I think I'll choose to believe the French.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 09, 2023 06:14 PM (i9ffA)

214 ...were part of a scheme to "defraud the United States" -- of "confidence" in voting.

Tell me Smith. Just bow do you measure my confidence? What device do you use? How is it calibrated? The reality is you don't have a clue. Run all polls you want. They are meaningless. You are a fool.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 09, 2023 06:14 PM (hv9bm)

215 It's hard not to conclude that Biden is trying to provoke some kind of violent response from somebody that can be associated with Trump.

Ps. Note I say "Biden", not Smith or Garland or Wray! We are falling for a media trap of avoiding blaming Biden for anything, unlike under Trump when if a janitor spilled the mop bucket, "Trump made a mess!" No matter how stupid he is, Biden owns this conspiracy!!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 09, 2023 06:15 PM (OqSlY)

216 Neighbors report the FBI was using flashbang grenades and screaming at the guy to come out. So no-knock raid at 6:15 in the morning... to "serve a search warrant." On a 80 year old guy with a cane they had been stalking since March, staking out his church and everything.

Does that sounds like serving a search warrant? Maybe it does, for this FBI.
Posted by: GanGanowicz at August 09, 2023 05:57 PM (AxRGS)

So they murdered him, then. Maybe Romney can give them a little something for taking out an untrustworthy voter, and the entire Republican Senate caucus can join in awarding the murderers medals. It's been done.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 09, 2023 06:15 PM (KSNKu)

217 quick hits nood

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 09, 2023 06:16 PM (krqg6)

218 DJT just has to say
Sundowner won the election with no cheating
I will never run for a public office ever again
The Deep State Rules, all hail the Deep State

Posted by: Skip at August 09, 2023 06:16 PM (MOY79)

219 >>Ps. Note I say "Biden", not Smith or Garland or Wray! We are falling for a media trap of avoiding blaming Biden for anything, unlike under Trump when if a janitor spilled the mop bucket, "Trump made a mess!" No matter how stupid he is, Biden owns this conspiracy!!

I'll one up you. Obama. And you forgot Lisa Monaco, the real Attorney General.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 09, 2023 06:18 PM (ZLI7S)

220 For what it's worth, the French government has issued a public statement saying that this claim is nonsense and nothing like that happened. I don't like the French and don't support what they've been doing in Africa, but in a contest of credibility between them and the Nigerian Princes who want to Give You $11 Million Dollars, I think I'll choose to believe the French.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 09, 2023 06:14 PM (i9ffA)

Looking at my barren field of fucks......

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 09, 2023 06:19 PM (BdMk6)

221 i wasn't going to vote for Trump but now I am.
I'm sick and tired of this shit.

It's become a farce. A sad, depressing, enraging farce.

Posted by: mpfs at August 09, 2023 06:26 PM (35dvA)

222 2023: The Year of bears waiving to humans. What does it all mean?

Meanwhile...

Trump History
@Trump_History45
Aug 8

Donald Trump spent many years as a master sushi chef in Japan. He is recognized as one of the greatest sushi chefs to have ever lived. Most sushi restaurants in Japan have a shrine honoring Chef Trump and his legendary career as an Itamae.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 09, 2023 06:30 PM (TGPs7)

223 Biden knowingly lied about the laptop, his knowledge of Hunter's corrupt overseas businesses and his involvement in those businesses and he's still lying about all of it despite the evidence.
Posted by: JackStraw

You know Hack. It's not a lie if you believe it.

George Castanza

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 09, 2023 06:33 PM (FxH7T)

224 Jack

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 09, 2023 06:35 PM (FxH7T)

225 I think that Trump will be using the Costanza Defense quite extensively, and appropriately.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 09, 2023 06:42 PM (OqSlY)

226 It's hard to believe this purely partisan persecution of Trump has gone this far. They really mean to put him away for life or even execute him if they can and by 'they' I mean the highest levels of our federal government. This is all so insane yet I watch talking heads on television talking calmly and matter-of-factly about all this as if it's somehow normal, just the way justice is served and business is done.

I honestly don't know how this plays out, but I'm thinking badly, in every direction.

Posted by: troyriser at August 09, 2023 06:52 PM (7Cx1V)

227 I'm making $90 an hour working from home. I never imagined that it was honest to goodness yet my closest companion is earning sixteen thousand US dollars a month by working on the connection, that was truly astounding for me, she prescribed for me to attempt it simply. Everybody must try this job now by just using this website... www.Payathome7.com

Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at August 09, 2023 10:00 PM (rWBqr)

228 Soooo…the indictment relies to a large degree from reporting from the NYT??? The same New York Times that mislead the nation for 4years regarding Russiagate, Peegate etc??? Since when does an indictment rely on journalism and not investigatory work by government agencies?

Posted by: ChicagoExPat at August 10, 2023 04:30 AM (jR4nO)

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Jonathan Turley: The Very Special Counsel Jack Smith is Prosecuting Trump for, He Claims, Lying During a Political Campaign.
When Will He Be Prosecuting Biden for Lying About Hunter's Laptop?