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Science/Tech/History Smorgastbord
One upon a time we thought the worst things that could happen during a Zoom conference were accidentally leaving the microphone on while cursing out your cat, hearing someone snoring during your stellar summation of your latest project, or standing up to run to the kitchen while forgetting you have no pants on. However, a team of British researchers reported last week that hackers sitting nearby in a coffee shop can pick up and identify keystrokes over a Zoom call. It is the latest variation of lifting data based on physical properties of the target devices. Side channel attacks can listen to keystrokes from keyboards, ATMs or smartphones; detect vibrations emitted by various computer components that have their own acoustic signatures; discern electromagnetic signals from a screen or even the vibrations of a lightbulb in the same room as a digital device, all of which can be captured and analyzed to decrypt sensitive information. Researchers Joshua Harrison, Ehsan Toreini and Marhyam Mehrnezhad said their latest work shows that the latest technologies in audio and video, coupled with machine learning, "present a greater threat to keyboards than ever." Using a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, researchers from Durham University in England recorded keyboard typing sounds and then ran them through an algorithm that achieved an extremely high rate of accuracy identifying the keystrokes. Recordings made with the iPhone displayed a 95% degree of accuracy. Sounds captured through a Zoom conference call had an accuracy rate of 93%. The researchers noted the ease with which they were able to decipher conversations and their concerns about security. "Our results prove the practicality of these side channel attacks via off-the-shelf equipment and algorithms," they said in a paper on the project. "The ubiquity of keyboard acoustic emanations makes them not only a readily available attack vector, but also prompts victims to underestimate [and therefore not try to hide] their output."This is neat: the secret of the incredible durability, and self-healing property, of Roman concrete -- the stuff that made the empire -- may have been discovered. Historians and archeologists have always wondered why Roman concrete had unmixed clasts of quicklime embedded in the stuff. Romans were so good at making the stuff, why did they leave obviously-unmixed blobs of quicklime in their building material? Wouldn't that weaken the material? Maybe not -- maybe it strengthened it. Roman concrete is famously "self-healing" when cracked. And apparently when one of these cracks meets an unmixed clast of lime, the lime is part of the self-healing, crack-sealing process. It mixes with water that inevitable gets into the crack and starts leaching material out of the sides of the crack, forming fresh concrete to fill the crack.
Very neat! An archeologist says he's found the lost city of Sodom, and it's right where we thought it would be: Eight inches up David French's own wretched pit of sin, his blown-out windsock of a busted-out slack-toned assh*le. No but really it's in Jordan or something.
The ancient Romans were master builders and engineers, perhaps most famously represented by the still-functional aqueducts. And those architectural marvels rely on a unique construction material: pozzolanic concrete, a spectacularly durable material that gave Roman structures their incredible strength. Even today, one of their structures -- the Pantheon, still intact and nearly 2,000 years old -- holds the record for the world's largest dome of unreinforced concrete. ... The smoking guns were small, white chunks of lime that can be found in what seems to be otherwise well-mixed concrete. The presence of these chunks had previously been attributed to poor mixing or materials, but that did not make sense to materials scientist Admir Masic of MIT. "The idea that the presence of these lime clasts was simply attributed to low quality control always bothered me," Masic said in a January 2023 statement. .. The lime clasts give the concrete remarkable self-healing abilities. When cracks form in the concrete, they preferentially travel to the lime clasts, which have a higher surface area than other particles in the matrix. When water gets into the crack, it reacts with the lime to form a solution rich in calcium that dries and hardens as calcium carbonate, gluing the crack back together and preventing it from spreading further.
A chimp-like species with brains one third the size of humans, and which pre-date humans by thousands of years, buried their dead and even placed symbols like triangles and hastag-like glyphs above the graves.
An archaeologist who claims to have located the city of Sodom says the location matches the biblical description and that the on-site physical evidence -- includeing "glazed" pottery -- supports his case. Steven Collins, Dean of the College of Archaeology at Trinity Southwest University, told Joel. C Rosenberg in a new episode of the Rosenberg Report that his team uncovered pottery from the mid-Bronze Age at a site in Jordan that appeared it was melted by "flash heat," thus matching the biblical account that says God destroyed Sodom with sulfur and fire. Digging in the soil, Collins said, "as soon as we get a few centimeters into that [Bronze Age] matrix, this piece of pottery, the shoulder of a storage jar, is facing up at us. And it looks like it's glazed." ... The archaeological site, known as Tall el-Hammam, is located in modern-day Jordan. Collins referenced a 2022 paper in the journal Nature in which 21 scholars and researchers said they had uncovered evidence of a "highly unusual catastrophic event" -- potentially a meteor -- that left a "charcoal-rich destruction layer" and melted object roughly 4,000 years ago in Tall el-Hammam. The paper posited that Tall el-Hammam was "wiped out in the blink of an eye," Collins said.
Researchers have uncovered evidence that members of a mysterious archaic human species buried their dead and carved symbols on cave walls long before the earliest evidence of burials by modern humans. The brains belonging to the extinct species, known as Homo naledi, were around one-third the size of a modern human brain. The revelations could change the understanding of human evolution, because until now such behaviors only have been associated with larger-brained Homo sapiens and Neanderthals. The findings are detailed in three studies that have been accepted for publication in the journal eLife, and preprints of the papers are available on BioRxiv.
MM8345_141103_01218.jpg Johannesburg, South Africa, 2014. Fossils belonging to Homo naledi were first discovered in the Rising Star cave system in South Africa during excavations in 2013....
Now, the research team has discovered the remains of Homo naledi adults and children that were laid to rest in the fetal position within cave depressions and covered with soil. The burials are older than any known Homo sapiens burials by at least 100,000 years.
During the work to identify the cave burials, the scientists also found a number of symbols engraved on the cave walls, which are estimated to be between 241,000 and 335,000 years old, but they want to continue their testing for more precise dating. The symbols include deeply carved hashtag-like cross-hatchings and other geometric shapes. Similar symbols found in other caves were carved by early Homo sapiens 80,000 years ago and Neanderthals 60,000 years ago and were thought to have been used as a way to record and share information. "These recent findings suggest intentional burials, the use of symbols, and meaning-making activities by Homo naledi. It seems an inevitable conclusion that in combination they indicate that this small-brained species of ancient human relatives was performing complex practices related to death," said Berger, lead author on two of the studies and coauthor on the third, in a statement. "That would mean not only are humans not unique in the development of symbolic practices, but may not have even invented such behaviors."
Astronomers are searching for Planet X. They think the Trans-Neptunian Objects, all the thousands and thousands of little Plutos and smaller planetoids that buzz around in a big shell past Neptune's orbits, are behaving oddly. Their irregular orbits suggest they're being disturbed by a large gravity source out beyond Pluto that we haven't spotted yet. This is the hypothetical Planet X they're looking for. Note that this method of discovering a planet based on detecting an irregularity in its orbit has been successful before: This interesting youtube documentary notes that, in the 18th century, irregularities in the orbit of Uranus prompted an "arrogant French astronomer" to propose that there was a big planet beyond Uranus, and sure enough, within a few years, Neptune was discovered. The same trick was used by the same arrogant French astronomer to explain the peculiarities of Mercury's orbit by proposing another small plant inside of Mercury's orbit that we had not yet seen -- a planet he called "Vulcan." (Which would go on to leave a mark in the memory of Gene Roddenberry.) That time, his method predicted a planet that didn't exist. It would take Einstein's relativistic corrections to Newtonian planetary mechanics to explain the irregularities in Mercury's orbit. Still, the technique has a 50/50 success rate, and astronomers are looking for a small dark planet way, way out in the Solar System.
There's a good reason astronomers spend many hundreds of hours trying to locate a ninth planet, aka " Planet Nine" or "Planet X". And that's because the Solar System as we know it doesn't really make sense without it. ... When we look at really distant objects, such as dwarf planets beyond Pluto, we find their orbits are a little unexpected. They move on very large elliptical (oval-shaped) orbits, are grouped together, and exist on an incline compared to the rest of the Solar System. When astronomers use a computer to model what gravitational forces are needed for these objects to move like this, they find that a planet at least ten times the mass of Earth would have been required to cause this. ... Based on the computer models, we think Planet Nine is at least 20 times farther away from the Sun than Neptune. We try to detect it by looking for sunlight it can reflect -- just like how the Moon shines from reflected sunlight at night. However, because Planet Nine sits so far away from the Sun, we expect it to be very faint and difficult to spot for even the best telescopes on Earth. Also, we can't just look for it at any time of the year. We only have small windows of nights where the conditions must be just right. Specifically, we have to wait for a night with no Moon, and on which the location we're observing from is facing the right part of the sky.
All the base pairs in Earth DNA and RNA have been found in meteorites.
Space rocks that fell to Earth within the last century contain the five bases that store information in DNA and RNA, scientists report April 26 in Nature Communications. These "nucleobases" -- adenine, guanine, cytosine, thymine and uracil -- combine with sugars and phosphates to make up the genetic code of all life on Earth. Whether these basic ingredients for life first came from space or instead formed in a warm soup of earthly chemistry is still not known (SN: 9/24/20). But the discovery adds to evidence that suggests life's precursors originally came from space, the researchers say. Scientists have detected bits of adenine, guanine and other organic compounds in meteorites since the 1960s (SN: 8/10/11, SN: 12/4/20). Researchers have also seen hints of uracil, but cytosine and thymine remained elusive, until now. "We've completed the set of all the bases found in DNA and RNA and life on Earth, and they're present in meteorites," says astrochemist Daniel Glavin of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 15, 2023 07:46 PM (/fpim)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 15, 2023 07:46 PM (ENBF0)
Good evening Ace
Posted by: Skip at August 15, 2023 07:47 PM (MOY79)
Posted by: tubal at August 15, 2023 07:48 PM (PCK5/)
The other dozen people on the call heard everything.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 15, 2023 07:48 PM (MeG8a)
Meh. Someone discovers the Secret of Roman Concrete every three years or so.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 07:48 PM (guGkK)
PRO TIP: You need a ring light.
Oh, and wait to pee until you're off the call.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 07:50 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 07:50 PM (zbP2D)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 07:50 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: wth at August 15, 2023 07:48 PM
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 07:51 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 07:51 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: Skip at August 15, 2023 07:51 PM (MOY79)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 15, 2023 07:53 PM (glGDV)
FUN FACT: Scientists have found no link between the different combinations of nucleotide base pairs that symbolize each the of the 21 amino acids that are used by life to build proteins, but they're the same in all life forms.
It is as if they were just randomly assigned. Somehow.
*cue the theremin solo*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 07:53 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: AZ
"Roman concrete was probably made by mixing the quicklime directly with the pozzolana and water at extremely high temperatures"
Never mind.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (zbP2D)
Posted by: Auspex at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Guy Who Can't Afford Gas at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (Angsy)
If so, totally worth it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (MeG8a)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (glGDV)
Geologic Chemistry does not equal biological chemistry.
For That You Need Something On The Order of a Creator or Watchmaker.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: AlaBAMA
Are you suggesting Ace left it in the chamber pot?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (zbP2D)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 15, 2023 07:55 PM (Angsy)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 15, 2023 07:55 PM (glGDV)
Posted by: AlaBAMA
Are you suggesting Ace left it in the chamber pot?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 07:54 PM (zbP2D
At least it's not an upper decker.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 07:55 PM (5xURv)
Oh, and I would like to know the % of lime to add when I do my next pour.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 07:50 PM (zbP2D)
It sounds like you need to add pellets of quicklime to the mix? Except wouldn't the quicklime react with the water in the concrete mix? Last I heard, quicklime and water are an almost explosive mixture?
Posted by: rd at August 15, 2023 07:55 PM (ncWZE)
Homo Nadler? Yeah, that fits.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 07:56 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Skip at August 15, 2023 07:56 PM (MOY79)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 15, 2023 07:56 PM (TZ75n)
Back in the 70's the Soviets used to rent entire floors of a Marriott hotel near the National Security Agency's HQ at Fort Meade, MD. They had sophisticated microphones to pick up the "click, clack" of typewriters based on the sounds bouncing off the windows. To a certain degree then could then "decypher" what was being typed.
No shit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 07:56 PM (Q4IgG)
Spouse was on a Zoom call of questioning of prospective jurors and suddenly there was an elderly man who came out of what must have been a shower and he was nude. It seemed like a novel way to get out of jury duty or else he had some cognitive decline,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 15, 2023 07:57 PM (Keyt1)
.......
direct ancestors of homo dirtbaggius found now on the streets in North America
Posted by: wth at August 15, 2023 07:58 PM (v0R5T)
*pops popcorn*
Can't wait to read Moviegeek's review!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
p.s. ... is planet 9 otherwise known as Ewokia?
Posted by: Jim at August 15, 2023 07:58 PM (e6UQI)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 15, 2023 07:58 PM (glGDV)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (TZ75n)
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (aCNZ6)
Historians and archeologists have always wondered why Roman concrete had unmixed clasts of quicklime embedded in the stuff. Romans were so good at making the stuff, why did they leave obviously-unmixed blobs of quicklime in their building material? Wouldn't that weaken the material?
Maybe not -- maybe it strengthened it.
Roman concrete is famously "self-healing" when cracked. And apparently when one of these cracks meets an unmixed clast of lime, the lime is part of the self-healing, crack-sealing process. It mixes with water that inevitable gets into the crack and starts leaching material out of the sides of the crack, forming fresh concrete to fill the crack.
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As one who is peripherally involved with civil engineering, this is fascinating.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (T/Lqj)
IIRC, they bounced lasers off the windows, which were vibrating in resonance with the sounds inside the room. The resulting shifts in the laser frequency (not unlike an AM signal) could be read to reveal what was being said.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (5xURv)
Federal Employees in San Francisco Told to Work From Home Over Violent Crime
https://tinyurl.com/2z6xbexd
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It was either that or clean up the city.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (Ib1uS)
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The same Scienztists that can't figure this out are going to account for every variable from the core to the invisible radiation passing around and through it in order to adjust the Earth's temperature by 2 degrees, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (o1Y90)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (TZ75n)
Posted by: wth at August 15, 2023 08:00 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (eOEVl)
Too bad the Cone of Silence was out of order. Wait, it was always out of order.
Posted by: CONTROL at August 15, 2023 08:01 PM (Angsy)
The medieval order, which had chapters across Europe, including in Britain, were known for their role in the Crusades and as one of the Middle Ages’ most powerful and wealthy religious organisations.
Historian Edward Spencer Dyas made the Da Vinci Code-style discovery of eight Knights Templar graves at St Mary’s Church in Enville, Staffordshire.
William Marshal, the 1st Earl of Pembroke, was a jouster, warrior, diplomat and even twice de facto king who was the inspiration for Lancelot in medieval Arthurian tales and also drafted the Magna Carta.
https://tinyurl.com/2v77f7uw
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:02 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (eOEVl)
That sounds technically challenging. Why wouldn't they just send a spy to be Senator Feinstein's driver?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 08:02 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 15, 2023 08:02 PM (Keyt1)
Looks like a nice evening here, hope yours is as well
Posted by: Skip at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (MOY79)
>>Heh. New Hampshire poll has Krispy Christie leading DeSantis.
Meatball is dropping like a stone.
Could have been a team player but unfortunately he got bit by the, THIS IS MY TIME TO SHINE, bug.
He'll be out of politics in a couple of years or fighting Rubio or Scott for a Senate seat.
Sad.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (5xURv)
IIRC, they bounced lasers off the windows, which were vibrating in resonance with the sounds inside the room. The resulting shifts in the laser frequency (not unlike an AM signal) could be read to reveal what was being said.
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Both... depending on the tech and what they wanted to "hear."
The NSA was royally pissed at Marriott for letting the Soviets have free reign at that place. However it did lead to them developing what we now call "window tinting."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Big Tony at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (83IzV)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (rQpnh)
That sounds technically challenging. Why wouldn't they just send a spy to be Senator Feinstein's driver?
Posted by: Cicero
Russian hi-tech vs. Chinese spycraft.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 08:04 PM (zbP2D)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (rQpnh)
I imagine the same way we do it today. Dig a hole. Pour concrete.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:04 PM (5xURv)
Coffer dams were built first, then the footings?
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 08:05 PM (eOEVl)
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So it's true.
We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:05 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Roman Concrete Worker at August 15, 2023 08:05 PM (SYTee)
>>Rumor has it that Jimmy Hoffa's body is weighted with Roman Concrete to this day. Nothin' is too good for the Mob.
Jimmy Hoffa was probably chopped up into more pieces than a jigsaw puzzle and dumped in the Pine Barrens.
He was whacked but good.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:05 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:05 PM (krqg6)
No but really it's in Jordan or something.
Jordan? or Trans-Jordan?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:06 PM (tYyZ9)
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 15, 2023 08:06 PM (ga8qR)
Meatball is dropping like a stone.
that's weird
I got meatball on a roll
Posted by: Subway at August 15, 2023 08:06 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:07 PM (rQpnh)
The other dozen people on the call heard everything.
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Was it a Zoom call welcoming the Queen to the U.S.??
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:07 PM (krqg6)
No but really it's in Jordan or something.
Take that with a grain of salt.
Posted by: Lot at August 15, 2023 08:07 PM (guGkK)
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I admire the massive level of faith required for this belief system.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 15, 2023 08:07 PM (oZ23Y)
I wonder who got in his head. Maybe he has a radical girlfriend like Kaepernick.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:08 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:07 PM (rQpnh)
You build a dam to hold back the water where you want the hole. Like putting a bucket with no bottom in a shallow river. Water goes around.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:08 PM (5xURv)
Rain falling 3 miles away on the mountains so it might not wait until evening.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 08:09 PM (zbP2D)
Or, you know, God. I notice that wasn't listed as an option.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 08:09 PM (slgIg)
Tolkien romanticed it a bit.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 15, 2023 08:09 PM (ga8qR)
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Something something new under the sun something.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 15, 2023 08:09 PM (oZ23Y)
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WHAT??
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:11 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Roman Concrete Worker
It will be if it is ever found.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 08:11 PM (zbP2D)
Posted by: Dorcus Brimstone at August 15, 2023 08:11 PM (83IzV)
Posted by: davidt at August 15, 2023 08:11 PM (SYTee)
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Any cable cars? Rice-a-Roni boxes?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 15, 2023 08:12 PM (mlxZk)
The Roman concrete story is fascinating.
I visited Pompeii years ago and there was a theory then that coral was used, some organic heat source blended in, and the stuff "cooked" itself solid over a period of time.
Posted by: Auspex at August 15, 2023 08:12 PM (j4U/Z)
Coffer dams were built first, then the footings?
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Very small stones!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:13 PM (krqg6)
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If they came from space that just moves the question back to some other planet, that's all.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 15, 2023 08:13 PM (mlxZk)
Posted by: a dude in MI at August 15, 2023 08:13 PM (/6GbT)
Yeah. And they call me nuts for believing in God.
Sure.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 08:13 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: wth at August 15, 2023 08:00 PM (v0R5T)
Apparently not since those nuke blasts
https://www.scirp.org/pdf/ijaa_2023062115280080.pdf
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:13 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)
It is so awesome you'd think somebody would it and sell it on Amazon.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 15, 2023 08:14 PM (ga8qR)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 15, 2023 08:14 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: Roman Concrete Worker
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Shut up, white devil!
Planet X belongs to us!
Posted by: nation of islam astronomers at August 15, 2023 08:15 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 08:15 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:15 PM (Srp34)
Welcome back Ace. Don't mind the flies.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (RhJxm)
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If this is the case, how did it get there? They can never answer that question. they refuse to address that question.
"A big stupid accident" is their "answer."
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (oWBc3)
Sure, let's go with that...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (ga8qR)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:16 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:17 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 15, 2023 08:17 PM (mlxZk)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 15, 2023 08:18 PM (mlxZk)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:18 PM (rQpnh)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 15, 2023 08:19 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: Roman Concrete Worker
It will be if it is ever found.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 08:11 PM (zbP2D)
Can't be. Elon Musk owns the letter X.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 08:19 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: JT at August 15, 2023 08:20 PM (T4tVD)
Posted by: Dorcus Brimstone
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There was a mud puddle there and lightning struck it. Duh.
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 15, 2023 08:20 PM (MbeZZ)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:21 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 08:21 PM (zbP2D)
They used old and broken amphorae in the mix. This made it stronger, and was cheap. All except the ones used for olive oil. For most stuff it could be reused, used for local water storage, repurposed, etc. But olive oil goes rancid and so they were used once and tossed.
Tossed into a giant mountain in the middle of Rome. Check out Monte Testaccio
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 15, 2023 08:21 PM (RhJxm)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 15, 2023 08:17 PM (mlxZk)
99 crap
Dang, dude, you can't just leave me hanging this way.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 08:21 PM (eOEVl)
For bonus points, Chiles has also used unusual geochemistry found on Pluto as a potential source of panspermia activity.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (RhJxm)
Sure.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 08:13 PM (slgIg)
You have to admire their level of faith and the strength of their evangelism.
Scientism is the antithesis of God.
The foundational belief is built on the principles that you are a cosmic accident, you have no purpose and, therefor, there is no morality that binds you, nor judgement to come.
It's very appealing to the narcissist.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (tYyZ9)
>>If this is the case, how did it get there?
Well, they can't explain the origins of bacteria, the first and simplest forms of life to develop, so expecting them to answer where complex life came from is beyond their kin.
I mean, they are still hung up on the whole, Something From Nothing, question.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (XV/Pl)
It's very appealing to the narcissist.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (tYyZ9)
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Also the nihilist.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:23 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 15, 2023 08:23 PM (354Wv)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:24 PM (a3Q+t)
Which of my cats pooped in my bed?
I have my suspicions, but no conclusive evidence...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:25 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Beavis at August 15, 2023 08:25 PM (SYTee)
Posted by: Minimal gp-Based Barrier at August 15, 2023 08:25 PM (MvF+J)
This planet is rife with power. Even now, it is generating new petroleum. It's not a fossil fuel.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:26 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:24 PM (a3Q+t
Welcomo friendo! Have a seato.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:26 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM
You say that like it's a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Bill Nye at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 15, 2023 08:17 PM (mlxZk)
99 crap
Dang, dude, you can't just leave me hanging this way.
Posted by: Archimedes
"A Russian diplomat, an American diplomat, and a retard walk into a bar . . ."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM
You say that like it's a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Bill Nye
*resumes strangling chicken*
Posted by: Billl Nye at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (xhaym)
I have my suspicions, but no conclusive evidence...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:25 PM
Is one named Amber, perchance?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (oGiDo)
Posted by: SFGoth at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Billl Nye at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM (eOEVl)
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Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 08:28 PM (daume)
Homo Nadler? Yeah, that fits.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 07:56 PM (eOEVl)
So, they were all 3 feet tall and 400 pounds?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 15, 2023 08:29 PM (TGPs7)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:29 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 08:30 PM (F6Xpw)
The simplest life forms on Earth require about 800 functioning proteins. Each protein is represented in the DNA by on average 450 DNA "rungs" of nucleotide combinations that have to be precisely ordered or the proteins won't function. And even if this could spontaneously form somehow (in Darwin's "warm little pond" say), you haven't even addressed how the machinery arises that is needed to copy the DNA and use it to build the proteins themselves.
When you understand this, atheism becomes a leap of faith.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 08:30 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM
Not when you use hyperbolic functions to calculate the curve of the shelf when it's loaded with books, magazines, and DVDs of a particular genre.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:30 PM (a3Q+t)
Of course, H.P. Lovecraft was a notorious racist and xenophobe, so that will probably never happen.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:30 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:27 PM (FVME7)
The bartender says to the retard ' you taking your underlings out for a drink?'
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:31 PM (Srp34)
https://tinyurl.com/zstdrdux
BTW, the underlined links in the essay show a picture of the discussed objects when you hover the cursor over them [as at Wiki].
I didn't see it mentioned but I've read that there are some Roman glass colours we still don't know how they were made.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:31 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat
The NSA had (has?) a huge program called Test to certify designs to be secure from Russian eavesdropping.
Then the wall fell and sequential Democratic presidents just handed all our secrets to China. Hell, we even hire CCP members and give them "security" clearance.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 15, 2023 08:31 PM (RhJxm)
>>I don't have a problem with believing that intelligent life exists on other planets in our universe. But personally I don't believe that can happen without God.
The impossibility of all of this points to a creator.
And even if other intelligent life existed among the stars, the vastness of space precludes contact by any means.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:31 PM (XV/Pl)
Let's hope it's inhabitants don't have plan.
Posted by: javems at August 15, 2023 08:31 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:03 PM (rQpnh)
The Romans had a water-curing cement, a number of quays were built by filling the forms in water.
Otherwise they knew how to build cofferdams and excavate a river bed and the set stone piers.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:32 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: davidt at August 15, 2023 08:32 PM (SYTee)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 15, 2023 08:32 PM (nY6ib)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:32 PM (V13WU)
g-2 = 0.00233184110 +/- 0.00000000043 (stat.) +/- 0.00000000019 (syst.)
Measure twice, cut once. Here's a pic of the electromagnet, which was big enough to be very challenging to move 1000 miles:
https://tinyurl.com/4h9kwzd9
Posted by: Minimal gp-Based Barrier at August 15, 2023 08:32 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (a3Q+t)
No?
So where does morality come from?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: t-bird at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (Sv58p)
When you understand this, atheism becomes a leap of faith.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 15, 2023 08:30 PM (guGkK)
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The probability of this all happening by chance is such a staggering small number that it boggles the mind.
And then happening again, and again, and again over just a couple of billion years so that mankind might one day over the Earth.
It hurts my brain just thinking about it. A Creator makes much more sense by contrast.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:29 PM (xTRSc)
Are you an atheist?
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (GGja9)
Posted by: Cicero
Or it's just a mystery we can't solve yet....
Posted by: SFGoth at August 15, 2023 08:34 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Dorcus Brimstone at August 15, 2023 08:11 PM (83IzV)
You mean the spot the goats keep going back to? Lot's Wife's Lick?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:34 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Not me. I'm certainly not going to tell God how he should do his job.
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 15, 2023 08:34 PM (MbeZZ)
It's very appealing to the narcissist.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:22 PM (tYyZ9)
It coincidentally gives them a chance to be a god.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:34 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:35 PM (V13WU)
No?
So where does morality come from?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:33 PM (5xU
I propose the same question but I use conscience instead of morality.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:35 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Gentlemen
It's easier just to call them.
~M.Milley
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 15, 2023 08:35 PM (zbP2D)
Ace! Pushing the boundaries of Science! and cruelty for the sake of humanity.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 15, 2023 08:35 PM (fY84s)
It coincidentally gives them a chance to be a god.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:34 PM (lX8VI)
Odd that. Sounds very original.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:36 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 08:36 PM (GGja9)
This has been around since the 60's; it's just easier to do nowadays.
Look up TEMPEST (codename).
Cheers
Posted by: Russtovich at August 15, 2023 08:36 PM (VO7R1)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:37 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:37 PM (lX8VI)
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The US abandoned morality years ago and we're doing just fine.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:37 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 07:59 PM (5xURv)
NH poll also shows Biden beating Trump by 7. Which isn’t super surprising given NH went blue 2008 - 2020. But you’d hope with the Biden fuck ups and the economy they’d kinda Smarten up? Guess not.
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:37 PM (Fis5P)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:37 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (v9YuC)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:37 PM (FVME7)
Lulz
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: CppThis at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (PZvjL)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (V13WU)
Whose head do I have to pull off to get some credit around here?
Posted by: The Engineer at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (3vCGB)
>>Ah, I see that the anti-evolution crowd is out in force tonight. I guess I’ll absquatulate and wait for the ONT.
Evolution is not necessarily incompatible with a creator, its just the evolution is an incomplete answer to an extraordinarily complex topic.
Fun Fact:
Charles Darwin was a theist.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (XV/Pl)
>>Rumor has it that Jimmy Hoffa's body is weighted with Roman Concrete to this day. Nothin' is too good for the Mob.
Jimmy Hoffa was probably chopped up into more pieces than a jigsaw puzzle and dumped in the Pine Barrens.
He was whacked but good.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:05 PM (XV/Pl)
Why do people think Jimmy Hoffa was dumped somewhere in New Jersey? He was last seen in the Detroit area. Why would someone haul his dead ass half way across the country for disposal? I expect the goombas in Michigan were competent at body disposal.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (F6Xpw)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:18 PM (rQpnh)
Ben Had, if you like Papercrete, you need to listen to a podcast with a guy talking about developing it for non-desert environments, Roger Williams
https://tinyurl.com/25e8sukv
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:39 PM (xhaym)
But, please, please, never take this as a slight to my son. He is a good man of God.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:39 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 15, 2023 08:40 PM (TGPs7)
>>I expect the goombas in Michigan were competent at body disposal.
Probably used a wood chipper.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:40 PM (XV/Pl)
How many generations does it take for a single-celled organism to mutate into a self-replicating multi-celled organism?
Why is there an absolute explosion of multi-cellular, highly specialized creatures within a relatively short span of years? How many generations would it take to mutate my cat into a humanoid catlike critter with human-like intelligence?
Is evolution an emergent property of the universe? If so, why don't we see signs of it everywhere we look? Why do we only see it here on Earth?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:40 PM (BpYfr)
We used to sing of The Machine you built, with the big wheel, and powered by steam.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 15, 2023 08:40 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:41 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:41 PM (Fis5P)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 15, 2023 08:41 PM (GGja9)
Human society enhances human survival. It’s one of our species’ favorable adaptations. Therefore, a moral code that holds society together and strengthens it is evolutionarily advantageous, and the traits that contribute to moral behavior will be selected for In reproduction.
My terminology is not scientifically exact, but you should get my idea.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:41 PM (xTRSc)
>>Ah, I see that the anti-evolution crowd is out in force tonight. I guess I’ll absquatulate and wait for the ONT.
Also, you do realize that there are number of engineers, doctors and scientist that blog here?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Not me. I'm certainly not going to tell God how he should do his job.
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine
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I believe that there is no contradiction between religion and science. I may not understand it all but if I had to understand everything, we wouldn't have Xbox.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (FVME7)
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I admire the massive level of faith required for this belief system.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 15, 2023 08:07 PM (oZ23Y)
Thinking about the evolutionary theory makes my head hurt. Proto-cells absorbing bacteria which become the nucleus of proto-cells turning them into single-celled life that magically has RNA and DNA and can replicate by cellular division, then clumps of cells, then multicellular critters replicating somehow, then chlorophyll comes onto the scene, then oxygen comes onto the scene, then critters somehow evolve fins or legs or water jets for propulsion, then some plants and critters move onto land, and after a few billion years GIANT dinosaurs evolve from tiny land critters...them mammals evolve, and oh yeah, I forgot to include sexual reproduction evolved a few steps back, then dinosaurs died-off and tiny rodent-type mammals evolved into all animal critters existing today including us. Wow.
Posted by: Gref at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Joey Sausage at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (eheVn)
Got it.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 15, 2023 08:32 PM (nY6ib)
No but if you do not believe in an afterlife, anything but relative morality is working against your self interest and thus wouldn't be logical.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:21 PM (lX8VI)
The squid's eye is notable for being nearly identical to the human eye except that the capillaries supplying it are behind the retina instead of in front of it.
Does this mean that squids are more highly designed than humans?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (xhaym)
The world should be boring and flat and altogether uninteresting even with life crawling around in it. But it just happens to be this amazing, awe-inspiring place.
It "evolved". Ok.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (lX8VI)
So the DOD and Darpa were funding LCD technology. Then the Japs made better LCD than us, and DOD was funding US LCD because they did not want to have to rely on foreign companies to make weapons systems. Then Clinton got elected and he sold out the country to China. Now, Again, the feds are funding semiconductor fabs in US. Idiots. the problem is not lack of funding, it is that we are trading with enemies. Close the ports and we will figure out how to make what we need.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 15, 2023 08:43 PM (RhJxm)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:40 PM (BpYfr)
where have we looked , exactly ? the moon ?? we haven't looked anywhere, so we really can't say can we.
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:43 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:43 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: CppThis at August 15, 2023 08:38 PM (PZvjL)
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There's some pretty compelling evidence the ancients developed highly accurate measuring techniques using celestial observations as their guide. Remember, back in those days they didn't have much else to do at night besides look at the stars. Also, there was a lot less light pollution.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:43 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM
Don't forget us!
Posted by: Kamala! Harris & Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at August 15, 2023 08:44 PM (a3Q+t)
And if a creature can evolve, then why do animal lovers want to keep a species from going extinct since evolution will replace them in due time.
If you protect the bald nutsack mouse from dying out, then aren’t they fucking around with the natural order of things?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 15, 2023 08:44 PM (R/m4+)
Pluto is planet nine. Planet x would be planet 10.
Planet 10 can be easily sound by use of a super-collider firing a stream of antipotons into a mass of foreskins of albino virgin males...
Posted by: Prof. Joebobo, Afrophysicist at August 15, 2023 08:44 PM (ixRr2)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August
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If the WEFers have their way we’ll be back there soon enough.
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:44 PM (Fis5P)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (V13WU)
Does this mean that squids are more highly designed than humans?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:42 PM (xhaym)
Why would a single thing or multiple things make it more or less highly designed? God created everything with love. And He left clues regarding His existence in every nook and cranny of our world.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (lX8VI)
Good job! Now relax & forget about it.
Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies. at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (GshMh)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (geLO8)
otherwise, they're just a bunch of Stewart Swintons
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (us2H3)
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People aren’t rational, that’s why.
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:46 PM (Fis5P)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 08:46 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (geLO
Dennys.
He ordered the Grand Slam.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:46 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:46 PM (xTRSc)
I’d hit it it.
Posted by: RI Red at August 15, 2023 08:46 PM (nnLls)
Posted by: Prof. Joebobo, Afrophysicist at August 15, 2023 08:46 PM (ixRr2)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM
When you find out, let me know. I'm looking, too.
Posted by: V'ger at August 15, 2023 08:47 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:47 PM (T/Lqj)
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First professional job out of college was as a Programmer/Analyst for Computer Sciences Corp. in Las Vegas (they had a federal contract with the EPA to study naturally-occurring radon concentrations and its effects nationwide -- with the highest levels measured ironically in Butte, MT, the birthplaces/home towns of my parents).
Anywho, we moved from a building on the UNLV campus to another new office location nearby -- and both were fully lined with lead, like a Faraday Cage, to prevent Russians from snooping /stealing code by using devices that listened for keyboard electrical impulses in this manner.
Same thing happened later when I worked for Ford Aerospace; turns out that Southern NV (with the nuclear test site, Area 51, Nellis AFB, Red Flag Exercises -- largest combat training exercises in the US Air Force) had the highest concentration of Soviet spies in the country back then (mid to late 80's).
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 08:47 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:44 PM (Fis5P)
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Well, at least I can read my book on how to calculate the Megalithic Yard by candlelight, I suppose...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:47 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
This is science fiction (I hope) but I thought it was a clever way to create and recreate dinosaurs, Novodaurs. (12 minutes)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orJ1NXdBKWU
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (geLO
probably never needed a star-ship
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (Fis5P)
Nailed it.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:47 PM (T/Lqj)
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The first time I witnessed the birth of a baby seemed miraculous to me (on some film, at a very young age).
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 08:49 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 08:49 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (Fis5P
Someone should sue big oil for global warming that caused all this far.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (5xURv)
If everything is an accident there is no absolute truth and *everything* is subjective and based on temporal and spatial convenience.
But even kids can feel truth.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (xTRSc)
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I tend to agree with that. Science is pretty good about explaining "What" and "How."
It's not very good about explaining "Why."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (xTRSc)
this is where I butt heads with my brother. I simply stopped arguing.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: TRex at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Zyprexa Cowboy at August 15, 2023 08:50 PM (ixRr2)
Posted by: Montec at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (Fis5P)
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I had an idea once for a dystopian novel where half the world was lawyers because every other individual part of the other half was required to have their own personal attorney with them at all times.
Also had a revelation upon first getting into politics in my early 20s that there is absolutely no "separation of powers" since all three branches were -- and are -- dominated by a single group: lawyers.
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 08:51 PM (6VKyY)
But, please, please, never take this as a slight to my son. He is a good man of God.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Missing the Point at August 15, 2023 08:39 PM (T/Lqj)
As near as I can tell, and I'm certainly no expert on Scripture (in fact it would be fair to say that I'm the most ignorant of the ignorant), animals have some transcendency, they simply aren't made in God's image.
I think Isaiah mentions that in the New Jerusalem the wolf and lamb will feed together and the lion will eat straw as the ox.
And to your perspective, it appears that Paul has a bit to say about "the whole of creation groaning" and being "subjected to frustration". Perhaps that is reading an interpretation into it, but I believe sin entered the world, not simply the life of man.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:51 PM (tYyZ9)
Posted by: AlaBAMA
>This is just a blimp on the radar. It's the local economy, son! That fucking boy, Christie, can eat, and word from the street is that MA and ME markets are having a hard time keeping up with the demand for lobster and other local seafood dishes.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 15, 2023 08:51 PM (fY84s)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:51 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 08:52 PM (x7plP)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 15, 2023 08:52 PM (rQpnh)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:48 PM (xTRSc)
But there is a difference in how it's debated.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:52 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
In that vein, barbers, bartenders and farriers are though.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 08:52 PM (x7plP)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 08:53 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:53 PM (xTRSc)
“No, but we know exactly where we are,” Heisenberg replies.
The officer looks confused and says, “you were going 120 km/h!”
Heisenberg throws his arms up and cries, “Great! Now we’re lost!”
The officer looks over the car and asks Schrödinger if they have anything in the trunk. “A cat,” Schrödinger replies.
The officer opens the trunk and yells, “This cat is dead!”
Schrödinger angrily replies, “Well it is now.”
Bohr says, “on the bright side, a moment ago we didn’t have a position, speed, or a cat. Now we have all three!”
Fed up, the officer says, “I just want to know how many of you I need to bring back to the station!”
“Roll dice for it?” Einstein asks.
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 08:53 PM (6VKyY)
https://tinyurl.com/zv6pcc9u
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 08:54 PM (eOEVl)
And why are we worried about climate change?
Won't life just evolve to the new environment?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:54 PM (tYyZ9)
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 08:54 PM (krqg6)
Won't life just evolve to the new environment?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:54 PM (tYyZ9)
We reject your logic and insert our own.
Posted by: Global BS at August 15, 2023 08:55 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: CppThis at August 15, 2023 08:55 PM (PZvjL)
Posted by: LadyS at August 15, 2023 08:56 PM (oq25h)
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 08:56 PM (6VKyY)
I'm not a spaceman.
https://youtu.be/joXkFQA9vxw
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 15, 2023 08:56 PM (Bd6X8)
Great Community episode on rolling dice for different realities.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:57 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: bald nutsack mouse at August 15, 2023 08:57 PM (krqg6)
And why are we worried about climate change?
Won't life just evolve to the new environment?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
>Stop it! You must save the river otter from being shot because they're aggressive, mean little bastards with a cute profile.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 15, 2023 08:58 PM (fY84s)
So, let me introduce you to a concept known as “animal husbandry.”
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 08:58 PM (xTRSc)
Won't life just evolve to the new environment?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 08:54 PM (tYyZ9)
Because it's all our fault and humans aren't "supposed" to mess with Nature's Perfect Creation.
Not sure why, except that we should all be dead asap then everything will go back to the ideal "balance".
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:58 PM (lX8VI)
Looks like it should be interesting. Might even land on Planet X.
Posted by: Global BS at August 15, 2023 08:58 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 08:45 PM (lX8VI)
Squid eyes are more efficient. And far, far older. You can either claim that evolution of one species does not effect other species, or you can claim that God designed one species better than another, or you can throw up your hands and declare did it on purpose and we can't figure out why.
The third option bores me, it is an intentional framing of the facts to demand faith instead of inquiry.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (xhaym)
How many thousands of models of keyboards are there out there? What about virtual keyboards on phones and tablets? I don't know but suspect it's more about the delay between keystrokes. Likely ends up not being hard to foil, if you are concerned about this.
Of course, if you're "not doing anything wrong" you won't make the effort.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf A2E6, Easy 6 Titanium Enhanced at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (8C7+r)
Townhall.com
@townhallcom
BIDEN: "I'm the first one to cut the federal debt by $1,700,000,000,000!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (FVME7)
Same for "climate change"
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 15, 2023 09:00 PM (JvZF+)
One irony being evolution requires reproduction.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 15, 2023 09:01 PM (Bd6X8)
Townhall.com
@townhallcom
BIDEN: "I'm the first one to cut the federal debt by $1,700,000,000,000!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (FVME7)
You. Lie.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 09:01 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 15, 2023 09:01 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:02 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: Puddleglum
See also: Fire Island, Provincetown, Key West - there's more.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:02 PM (x7plP)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 08:57 PM (Srp34)
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College friend of my let me borrow a great '71 novel called "The Dice Man" -- with a very clever premise.
Dude is a shrink who is bored with his neurotic clients, so to amuse himself starts assigning varied response/therapy options 1-6 to a die -- and then casts and acts upon the result.
He eventually integrates it into his own life. Way out there, and really enjoyable ... (think it's out of print, and my friend made sure I got it back to her).
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:03 PM (6VKyY)
Was with four Leafs' Stanley Cup winners back in the never-never of the before-time of Leafs' wins. Best known for scoring in overtime of Game 6 of the 1964 Stanley Cup to win it for the Leafs, playing with a fractured ankle.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 09:03 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 15, 2023 09:04 PM (hv9bm)
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Science/Tech/History Bento Box:
It's all gay and an op.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (0FoWg)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:02 PM (xTRSc)
So you agree with the intelligent design theory.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (Srp34)
https://tinyurl.com/zv6pcc9u
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 08:54 PM (eOEVl)
Yes, that is interesting. That's the kind of stuff I want to see on YT, but every time I open it, I get stupid hours of music I've never clicked on, some idiot with his mouth open, sports crap, and the same vids I have no interest in. Every day. I search for what I want and watch it, then the next time I open YT...the same crap. Nothing related to what I just watched. I thought this site had an algorithm that showed me what I watched.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (Angsy)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 15, 2023 09:00 PM (JvZF+)
If they could prove it empirically you wouldn't have to "believe" in it anymore, since belief is a spiritual thing. Like, nobody says that they "believe" in gravity because if there's any questions they can just drop something and measure its behavior.
Posted by: CppThis at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (PZvjL)
@townhallcom
BIDEN: "I'm the first one to cut the federal debt by $1,700,000,000,000!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (FVME7)
the US national debt went up 1.85 trillion in the first 6 months of 2023
for you at home, that's a bunch
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 15, 2023 09:01 PM (sAmhv)
It is to the north, in the dead sea rift valley, near the Jordan river
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (xhaym)
I'm no archaeologist, but I would've figured it would've been buried deep in Obama's mansocket.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 15, 2023 09:06 PM (PXFlo)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:06 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 09:06 PM (krqg6)
I think he was on tour in the 80s a d 90s. What ever happened to him?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:06 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 09:06 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:07 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (Srp34)
Are you claiming that men are gods? That is an odd position to take.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:07 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: andycanuck
Not anymore they don't. See, if you ignore a problem long enough, it will take of itself.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (x7plP)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (Angsy)
The algo really only works if you have a youtube logon.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (us2H3)
The third option bores me, it is an intentional framing of the facts to demand faith instead of inquiry.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (xhaym)
There might be a perfectly natural reason why the human body can't or shouldn't support a squid eye. Our brain presumably does many different things with our eyes than a squid's.
There are many times we as designers assume something would be "better" as a part of something else and for some reason it just doesn't work.
This isn't about faith over inquiry, this is about a declarative judgment that frames a question that I am not required to support.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (lX8VI)
That algorithm seems to be more oriented towards putting stuff in front of you to lead you to what they want you to watch.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 15, 2023 09:09 PM (Bd6X8)
I think he was on tour in the 80s a d 90s. What ever happened to him?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
The Diceman's 'standing in the line at the bank' bit killed me.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:09 PM (x7plP)
How many thousands of models of keyboards are there out there? What about virtual keyboards on phones and tablets? I don't know but suspect it's more about the delay between keystrokes. Likely ends up not being hard to foil, if you are concerned about this.
Of course, if you're "not doing anything wrong" you won't make the effort.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf A2E6, Easy 6 Titanium Enhanced at August 15, 2023 08:59 PM (8C7+r)
I expect there's a "learning" process, where the AI listens to the keyboard sound while monitoring the typed text, and based on that experience is able to recover text in the future from just the sound for the particular learned typist and keyboard.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:09 PM (F6Xpw)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (Srp34)
Are you claiming that men are gods? That is an odd position to take.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:07 PM (xhaym
You're being obtuse. You know very well what I was referring to.
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:09 PM (Srp34)
The low light levels deep in the ocean come to mind.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: Puddleglum
The guy who allegedly found it said it was in "Jordan" but I had the impression that he was deliberately camouflaging the location to prevent claim jumpers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (FVME7)
“I don’t understand it, therefore it must be complex.”
Spare me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (geLO8
For Christians, God has always existed and does so outside of our dimension, so likely outside our concept of time.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (5xURv)
Completely believable and we should ban hot water for those not in government.
Posted by: t-bird at August 15, 2023 09:11 PM (Sv58p)
He used to brag about his liaisons with Mother Goose. Bet she gave him chirpies.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 15, 2023 09:11 PM (Bd6X8)
He's about 4 hours away from wearing out his welcome and then they eject him out of the state into Vermont.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 15, 2023 09:11 PM (fY84s)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 15, 2023 09:12 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:05 PM (Srp34)
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One of the best arguments for intelligent design: if you found a computer with code on Mars, you'd assume there was a designer/programmer.
DNA is basically code, so you assume there is a designer/programmer.
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:12 PM (6VKyY)
"A babies heart:
Consider for a few moments the heart of a human baby. It is a few ounces of muscle, fat and connective tissue that has a rhythmic, self-sustaining electrical system. It consists of two separate but remarkably similar pumps, the right and left sides of the heart. It is fully formed by the 8th week of gestation, and continues to beat rhythmically, steadily and continuously for up to 100 years, without any outside help in the vast majority of instances. The stunning symmetry of the microscopic arrangement of myosin and actin protein fibers creates a highly efficient pumping machine. The delicate and yet durable valves regulate the direction of blood flow through the veins and arteries. Consider the simple mechanical elegance of this one single organ.
And then ask yourself one question...
Is there any conceivable way that this was the result of a slimy puddle of primordial goo randomly organizing with this heart as the accidental (natural selection) result?
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:12 PM (x7plP)
How could a fish fin have the time to evolve into a leg or wing before its owner got chased down and eaten?
Posted by: Ju at August 15, 2023 09:12 PM (aTmM/)
Here's the US Secretary of the Treasury describing her hallucinogenic trip on shrooms in China.
On national TV.
By the way — the US Treasury plans to borrow $1.1 trillion before 2024, pushing total US debt above $33.5 trillion.
Our enemies are laughing.
https://tinyurl.com/yn3f65s7
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 09:12 PM (krqg6)
He's about 4 hours away from wearing out his welcome and then they eject him out of the state into Vermont.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 15, 2023 09:11 PM (fY84s)
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"We're gonna need a BIGGER trebuchet ..."
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (aD39U)
Like elephants ?
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (V13WU)
What has always bothered me is that any precursor organs would fail and, unless the present organ was conceived as a whole, the organ would fail.
There is no dual use or even just a lump of flesh until the final build.
And yet the evolutionists say I believe in fairy tales.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (x7plP)
Spare me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
I understand it. I have a biochemistry degree and I am a physician. I also believe in the Bible cover to cover.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (slgIg)
how does a water tank create that fireball seen in the video
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (us2H3)
*reads thru thread*
I am sooooo fu*ked!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (hv9bm)
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: andycanuck
That house was absolutely disintegrated. I can't see a faulty water heater doing that.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (FVME7)
Then why did you compare man breeding to create different animals as an example to support evolutionary theory?
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:14 PM (Srp34)
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:12 PM (x7plP)
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How many generations of organisms are required to produce this genetic mutation?
**HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE?**
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 09:14 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (lX8VI)
If your argument about an anomaly in the logic supporting intelligent design is "maybe God made it that way, I dunno" then you are emphasizing faith over inquiry.
If your argument is "I don't have to support my claims about my belief" then why are we having this discussion?
We should be trading cookie recipes instead.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:14 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:06 PM (slgIg)
Word on the street is he's a huge asshole offstage too, and alienated himself into a corner.
Posted by: CppThis at August 15, 2023 09:14 PM (PZvjL)
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:15 PM (x7plP)
The team also uncovered multiple preserved remains of what look to be "large mouse ears" that appear to have been worn by patrons of a section of Sodom that has a turnstile gate, rides, and judging by a recovered menu board, vastly over-priced food and drink. The team is puzzled by this find.
Posted by: Sodom Theme Park News at August 15, 2023 09:15 PM (xttsV)
Nice overhead shot of the destruction. Completely erased three houses.
issues with their hot water tank, eh?
https://tinyurl.com/4d3hzyse
Posted by: t-bird at August 15, 2023 09:15 PM (A0/af)
Damn, the ignorance of the anti-evolution crowd can be breathtaking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:16 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 09:16 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: andycanuck
That house was absolutely disintegrated. I can't see a faulty water heater doing that.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (FVME7)
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I can. I was chatting not too long ago with a 30-year veteran firefighter. He's seen some pretty wild shit. I doubt this would even register with him..."Yeah, they can do that sort of thing under certain conditions..."
I was leaning up against an outdoor propane tank and he described all the horrible ways that the propane tank explosion would kill me and wipe out everything within 100 yards if it exploded.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 09:17 PM (BpYfr)
==
then it would be called...Revolution !
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:17 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 15, 2023 09:17 PM (Bd6X8)
Posted by: andycanuck
It was a gas fired tank wasn't it?
They're dangerous- gonna get rid of those things
Posted by: Joey B. at August 15, 2023 09:17 PM (AbYHm)
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:18 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (geLO
Helps when it is surrounded by 15-20 gallons of gas.
I'm guessing.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 15, 2023 09:18 PM (hv9bm)
Posted by: Braenyard at August 15, 2023 09:19 PM (AbYHm)
Inguadalcanal wins the internet for the day.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 15, 2023 09:19 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 09:20 PM (FVME7)
natural gas does
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:20 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 09:16 PM (5xURv)
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Three bullets to the back of the head and body strewn across an Arkansas railroad track ruled a suicide?
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:20 PM (6VKyY)
cooking meth
Posted by: Braenyard at August 15, 2023 09:21 PM (AbYHm)
Damn, the ignorance of the anti-evolution crowd can be breathtaking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:16 PM (xTRSc)
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No one here has yet answered the question:
HOW MANY GENERATIONS DOES IT TAKE TO EVOLVE TO HUMANS FROM PROTOPLASMIC SLIME?
How many favorable genetic mutations are required? How long would it take? And why does evolution seem to only go one way? We don't see "de-evolution" do we? Why have some organisms, like sharks and cockroaches, remained largely unchanged for hundreds of millions of years?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 09:21 PM (BpYfr)
There are no experiments that can replicate “intelligent design” because, by definition, it was done by God, and humans are not God.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:21 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:18 PM (6VKyY)
Innagaradecanal was a great song! Iron Butterfly rocks!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 15, 2023 09:21 PM (hv9bm)
how does a water tank create that fireball seen in the video
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (geLO
MythBusters did an episode where they disabled all the safety mechanisms on a home water heater and cranked the thermostat to 11. When it finally blew they got a pretty spectacular steam powered rocket that ripped through two floors of a simulated house, with the shell of the heater landing a hundred yards or so downrange. You wouldn't want to be in the house, but it didn't demolish the house (and two neighbors) like this latest incident did.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:21 PM (F6Xpw)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2023 09:09 PM (Srp34)
No you are claiming that that an argument that species are mutable in the expression of their genetics is proof that they only are manipulable on purpose, and that is proof of God or some Designer. The way you argue this is to equate the action of conscious selection of desirable traits by breeders with the action of God, instead of equating it with the changes in environment and competing species to favor some genetic expressions over others.
To accept evolution as a process of adaption of species to a changing environment is not a denial of God by the way, it can also accept that God doesn't actually have to get around with a spoon to stir things up on purpose.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:22 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 15, 2023 09:22 PM (5xURv)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Wait, you live in Delaware?
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 15, 2023 09:23 PM (PXFlo)
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3.8 billion years, give or take a billion
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:23 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Braenyard at August 15, 2023 09:24 PM (AbYHm)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:24 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 15, 2023 09:10 PM (FVME7)
Yep, he is hiding a archaeological dig in Jordan and surreptitiously hides it by writing articles about it in Nature
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3
A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:24 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 15, 2023 09:25 PM (sAmhv)
natural gas does
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:20 PM (geLO
That's what I'm thinking, a gas leak would explain the fireball. I recall a natural gas house explosion a few years ago, I think in Indianapolis, that flattened a house and a couple of neighbors.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:25 PM (F6Xpw)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 15, 2023 09:25 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:25 PM (V13WU)
Yeah, that all happened by chance in a chemical soup.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:26 PM (slgIg)
Posted by: Snopes at August 15, 2023 09:26 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (Bd6X8)
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3.8 billion years, give or take a billion
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:23 PM (V13WU)
If the Snowball Earth theory is correct, less that a billion years since life was reduced back to essentially unicellular life.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (aD39U)
cooking meth
Posted by: Braenyard at August 15, 2023 09:21 PM (AbYHm)
Does anyone cook meth these days? I thought cheap imported Mexican meth had put small scale U.S. cookers out of business.
Sad, another example of American jobs destroyed by globalization.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (F6Xpw)
What has always bothered me is that any precursor organs would fail and, unless the present organ was conceived as a whole, the organ would fail.
There is no dual use or even just a lump of flesh until the final build.
And yet the evolutionists say I believe in fairy tales.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:13 PM (x7plP)
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Can't argue with that. God does not play dice with babies' hearts ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:28 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:28 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (aD39U)
I saw a unicellular life today. He was smoking a joint.
Posted by: runner at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Tonypete at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (x7plP)
Sad, another example of American jobs destroyed by globalization.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (F6Xpw)
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* Heisenberg has RE-ENTERED the chat *
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (6VKyY)
Or, God did it and made it look AS IF it were done by chance.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (xTRSc)
He took a cat, not every kind of cat. The species formed after the flood.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (slgIg)
If your argument is "I don't have to support my claims about my belief" then why are we having this discussion?
We should be trading cookie recipes instead.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:14 PM (xhaym)
My beliefs are well supported. I said I don't have to support *your* declarative assumptions. I also explained why I don't have to support the particular one you made.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (lX8VI)
Even that assumes that complexity is favorable.
It's hard to see how a human, which requires a nine month gestational period, greater input of nourishment for survival, requires a 12-13 year span to achieve reproductive age (much of which it is unable to care for itself), and which is able to live in a very narrow range of environmental factors is somehow biologically superior to a single felled organism, (which, coincidentally, can replicate at breakneck pace inside the "superior" organism and kill it).
A human is not biologically advantaged over a bacteria.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (tYyZ9)
The algo really only works if you have a youtube logon.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (aD39U)
It used to work. I've never logged in. I watch two specific channels on the weekend. They never show up anymore, I have to search for them. Maybe they changed so YT only points to drek.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (Angsy)
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: davidt at August 15, 2023 09:30 PM (SYTee)
Posted by: andycanuck
I'm working on it.
Gonna get rid of all gas fired appliances as soon as I can.
Posted by: Joey B. at August 15, 2023 09:30 PM (AbYHm)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (xTRSc)
Aren't those processes guided by an existing intelligence or am I losing it?
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:31 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:31 PM (xTRSc)
**HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE?**
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 15, 2023 09:14 PM (BpYfr)
Surprisingly few people have any idea of deep time.
Did snakes use to have feet? Why does it seem that birds have better vision than mammals? Why do men have nipples? Why can't cats taste sugar and dogs can?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:31 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Braenyard at August 15, 2023 09:32 PM (AbYHm)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:32 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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I heard someone, maybe someone here, make an outstanding observation on this not too long ago. I won't do it justice, but it's roughly:
Humans feel boredom because we know we operate on an eternal time scale and our true sense of "time" - the one we feel that exists outside of us, not the one we made up to go to work and school by - is not suited to this body.
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 15, 2023 09:33 PM (MbeZZ)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:33 PM (xTRSc)
The algo really only works if you have a youtube logon.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 15, 2023 09:08 PM (aD39U)
It used to work. I've never logged in. I watch two specific channels on the weekend. They never show up anymore, I have to search for them. Maybe they changed so YT only points to drek.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (Angsy)
YouToob probably uses browser cookies to track what you watch and to drive their recommendation engine. If you clear cookies between YT sessions, either manually, by browser setting, or by a privacy addon, you start over every time.
Either that, or their recommendation algorithm blows because the people who designed and implemented it are idiots.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:35 PM (F6Xpw)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:35 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:35 PM (xTRSc)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:33 PM (xTRSc)
Your own argument has a blind side, don't blame me for pointing it out.
And don't credit/blame me with everything said in this thread by people who *seem* to agree with me.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:36 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: DB - spanning the globe at August 15, 2023 09:35 PM (geLO
Yes. It's 42. Or is it 43? Aw, crap. We have to start over.
Posted by: a.moron at August 15, 2023 09:36 PM (F6Xpw)
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No. There will always be enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman until the end.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 15, 2023 09:38 PM (tYyZ9)
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I tried reading the link but there was too much Dead Sea scrolling so I gave up!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 09:38 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:35 PM (xTRSc)
Conflation is a grand thing. If we're not arguing over "evolution" as it is generally accepted in modern parlance, then I don't know what anyone is arguing about.
No God-fearing person I know argues heredity.
This is like the Global Warming people yelling at us about the Greenhouse Effect all those years ago. Mythbusters even proved the Greenhouse Effect. By using a greenhouse. They did not prove Global Warming. But they said they did.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:39 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 15, 2023 09:26 PM (slgIg)
One of the arguments I dislike the most is the argument for increasing entropy: the universe is collapsing into greater disarray through thermodynamics and the end point will be the great flattening of energy and distribution of matter.
This contradicts what we see around us with self organizing lipids, crystals and gravitational accretions. My suspicion is that the universe is moving to greater order and not entropy. I have a belief in self ordering complexity.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:41 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: ShainS -- Misinflation, Disinflation, & Malinflation Researcher at August 15, 2023 09:28 PM (6VKyY)
That would be true if there were never any malformation of newborn hearts. And if that were true, Muldoon would have been a different specialty other than Pediatric Cardiologist.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:43 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 15, 2023 09:27 PM (xTRSc)
I think we're starting to conflate macro-evolution and micro-evolution. Nobody here would assert that dog breeds haven't evolved (micro). It's the bacteria-to-baboons (macro), the spontaneous introduction of complexity, that is the area of debate.
Posted by: parsimony at August 15, 2023 09:44 PM (q1I67)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:29 PM (lX8VI)
And that means I don't have to support yours either.
Peanut butter or Oatmeal?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:45 PM (xhaym)
That would fit with the mysterious "appearance" of a consciousness (us) that can and does questions itself and the bigger picture.
But do humans create more order or chaos on the whole? I would think in your theory a grand questioning consciousness like ours would tend to create more order, if the universe itself was naturally self-ordering.
Or maybe I'm not following you. BTW I'm not actually arguing with you here about anything, just continuing your thread of thought.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:46 PM (lX8VI)
Peanut butter or Oatmeal?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:45 PM (xhaym)
Did I make any declarative assumptions and then interrogate you about them with a resulting list of outcomes that could only be A, B or C? I don't remember doing that.
(Now I'm back to arguing with you)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:47 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:49 PM (lX8VI)
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Are you arguing for £5 or are you arguing in your spare time??
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 09:50 PM (krqg6)
Or maybe I'm not following you. BTW I'm not actually arguing with you here about anything, just continuing your thread of thought.
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:46 PM (lX8VI)
Humans create hierarchies, and conceptualize the universe to tell ourselves what if stories, and so create order according to plan, it is what we do specifically, like African termites make mounds.
The universe itself appears to create order as well, but order is stifling and solified. The chaos is what makes change possible, that is errors, accidents, mishaps, malstranscriptions. The universe also heals those as far as it can in creating order anew,
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:51 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 15, 2023 09:53 PM (krqg6)
Somebody doesn't believe in entropy.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 15, 2023 09:54 PM (p8A+W)
Posted by: ... at August 15, 2023 09:49 PM (lX8VI)
We may not disagree, but I don't like gotchas.
Keep the five quid, you will need it for your parking fare
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:54 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 15, 2023 09:54 PM (p8A+W)
No, I don't. Entropy causes more problems that it solves.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 15, 2023 09:55 PM (xhaym)
From: GOO
To: YOU
By way of the: ZOO
h/t Frank Peretti
A bird dragging 2 evolving wings on the ground while trying to escape being eaten won't last long enough to have a lifetime, or to procreate, but thanks for playing.
Posted by: Ju at August 15, 2023 09:57 PM (aTmM/)
Yeah, make a straw man by gratuitously conflating macro with micro evolution. The Scriptures say "after their own kind", so dogs, wolves, coyotes are of the same "kind" but dogs and whales are not.
I submit evolution has a much bigger problem in explaining how information comes from nothing. (think the complexity of DNA, it has its own language its own information to be able to go from the union of a sperm and egg and form an entirely unique human being)
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 15, 2023 09:58 PM (p8A+W)
Oddly, it goes the other direction; from without mutations to with accumulating mutations.
Each person has roughly a hundred or so SNV† mutations over their life. Its a copying error and often explains why we pick up allergies as we age. Your offspring capture all of the accumulated copying errors inherited from your ancestors plus whatever new mutations you and your partner contribute up to the time of conception.
Simply put, each generation is genetically inferior than the previous generation. Just like a book with too many copying errors is unreadable, there will be a generation of people where the mutations are too great to keep that line alive.
† Single Nucleotide Variants
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 15, 2023 10:03 PM (p8A+W)
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