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CCP Slogans? Or a Roadmap For A Chinese World?
"No person and no force can stop the march of the Chinese people toward better lives!"
(任何人任何势力都不能阻挡中国&#
Tesla on Thursday reportedly agreed to promote "core socialist values" with over a dozen Chinese car manufacturers. The Texas-based electric vehicle (EV) and clean energy company run by Elon Musk did so as part of a pledge to the Chinese auto industry, The Wall Street Journal reported. The four-point pledge reportedly involved agreeing not to engage in "abnormal" pricing, to prioritize quality and not use false publicity. The plege[sic] promises to "take on the heavy responsibility of maintaining steady growth, strengthening confidence and preventing risk," according to the outlet. Musk and his senior managers will also spend three months in a rural reeducation camp.[I may have added that last line] This is plain old coercion on the part of the Chinese communists. If you don't publicly commit to our principles (which violate your own) and make it obvious that you are bending the knee, then you will lose access to our markets. And they have done it to many other corporations...Disney, the NBA, Apple, Nike, and hundreds more. Some merely supply a bowdlerized product to conform to the Chinese censors, but some actively participate in the totalitarianism inherent in China. Apple and Nike use Chinese slaves to make their products! So as much as we would like to cheer on Elon Musk for his iconoclasm in the face of the authoritarian left being furious that he (sort of) took their biggest weapon -- Twitter -- away from them, he is at heart a businessman who is clearly comfortable with those totalitarian tendencies when it makes financial sense. Was his purchase of Twitter a good thing? Sure! It has exposed some significant connections between the media and the government, and he certainly has tempered its worst fascistic impulses. But let us wait a few years before we anoint him as the savior of free speech.
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Workers of the World unite
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:00 PM (xhxe8)
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Howdy, CBD!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 12:02 PM (u73oe)
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Seems from a podcast and a book I am on we have Buttabuddy's dad to thank for the Cultural Marxists taking over.
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:02 PM (xhxe8)
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Everyone see the video of Yellen bowing to the CCP finance minister? Disgusting, but not surprising.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 12:04 PM (u73oe)
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Dyslexics of the world untie.
Posted by: BignJames at July 09, 2023 12:05 PM (AwYPR)
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It’s the Skip and Duke show!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 12:05 PM (u73oe)
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The entire federal government bows down to the CCP.
IMO China overthrew the US government without firing a shot.
IMO China overthrew the US government without firing a shot.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (Q4IgG)
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But let us wait a few years before we anoint him as the savior of free speech.
Unless Musk found religion, this latest ploy to brand himself as the Free Speech Advocate is probably cover for something more sinister down the road; something that will require the skinsuit of Free Speech and Open Discussion to dupe the rubes.
My guess is that AI balloting and voting is on the table.
Unless Musk found religion, this latest ploy to brand himself as the Free Speech Advocate is probably cover for something more sinister down the road; something that will require the skinsuit of Free Speech and Open Discussion to dupe the rubes.
My guess is that AI balloting and voting is on the table.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (p8A+W)
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Yellen is a freaking pig.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (AviTG)
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To quite my late cousin, Communists! Criminals!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2023 12:07 PM (vXT2+)
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Obviously, people would do well not to put Musk on too high a pedestal. I do think it is illustrative, that the more one is immersed in the modern world, the more one either advances or compromises whatever principles they may have.
I think that's true of presidents too, to varying degrees. I don't mean the current joke, he's just a puppet, and the people moving his lips have no principles.
I mean even Trump (sorry to bring him up so early). You can't just DO what you think is right, you have to pick your battles (literally), and you either look the other way, or you don't get anything done.
I think that's true of presidents too, to varying degrees. I don't mean the current joke, he's just a puppet, and the people moving his lips have no principles.
I mean even Trump (sorry to bring him up so early). You can't just DO what you think is right, you have to pick your battles (literally), and you either look the other way, or you don't get anything done.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:07 PM (JNXnC)
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Yellen is a freaking pig.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (AviTG)
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And retarded. Don’t forget retarded.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (AviTG)
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And retarded. Don’t forget retarded.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 12:08 PM (u73oe)
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IMO China overthrew the US government without firing a shot.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (Q4IgG)
Sure looks that way from the cheap seats.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (Q4IgG)
Sure looks that way from the cheap seats.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 12:08 PM (AviTG)
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From what I understand about the Red Chinese, they are basically just a mafia type outfit now. The commie slogans are just nonsense to befuddle and misdirect the average Chinaman, who hates the Party’s guts but cannot do anything to remove them.
Kinda like what we have in washington today with overpaid federal layabouts living off of the people like ticks.
All they care about is money, whores, pensions, sinecures, rape, cocaine, bribes, kickbacks, fraud and rape.
Kinda like what we have in washington today with overpaid federal layabouts living off of the people like ticks.
All they care about is money, whores, pensions, sinecures, rape, cocaine, bribes, kickbacks, fraud and rape.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (R/m4+)
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Yellen is a freaking pig.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Why are people always insulting pigs?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Why are people always insulting pigs?
Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (dr4Q1)
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Sunny with a high of 80 today. Damn that global warming!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 12:10 PM (u73oe)
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>>So as much as we would like to cheer on Elon Musk... he is at heart a businessman
maybe he had his fingers crossed behind his back at the time
maybe he had his fingers crossed behind his back at the time
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (geLO8)
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Unless Musk found religion, this latest ploy to brand himself as the Free Speech Advocate is probably cover for something more sinister down the road; something that will require the skinsuit of Free Speech and Open Discussion to dupe the rubes.
My guess is that AI balloting and voting is on the table.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (p8A+W)
You have to ignore what he's actually been saying for some time to believe that. He didn't just come up with the "Free Speech!" motto when he bought twatter, and he's been saying for some time that he thinks AI is the most dangerous thing our world is facing.
Either he's a complete charlatan, or he really means those things. Now, being a socialist... well, as is well reported, he basically got rich on government largesse.
My guess is that AI balloting and voting is on the table.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (p8A+W)
You have to ignore what he's actually been saying for some time to believe that. He didn't just come up with the "Free Speech!" motto when he bought twatter, and he's been saying for some time that he thinks AI is the most dangerous thing our world is facing.
Either he's a complete charlatan, or he really means those things. Now, being a socialist... well, as is well reported, he basically got rich on government largesse.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (JNXnC)
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All they care about is money, whores, pensions, sinecures, rape, cocaine, bribes, kickbacks, fraud and rape.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (R/m4+)
And salt...don't forget salt. What is life w/o a little salt?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (R/m4+)
And salt...don't forget salt. What is life w/o a little salt?
Posted by: BignJames at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (AwYPR)
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This follows the Belt and Road initiative.
But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (5xURv)
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And they have done it to many other corporations...
But if the directors of these companies didn't pursue these opportunities because they refused, on personal ideological and ethical values, wouldn't they be subject to share holder lawsuit?
IOW, If pursuing policies Woke or Heritage were to demonstrably indicate a loss of real or potential revenue, does this merit legal action by the shareholders against the directors?
Heritage values don't play in China. Not playing China means potential losses of billions.
Most people's pension/retirement funds don't go to church or LGBT parades.
But if the directors of these companies didn't pursue these opportunities because they refused, on personal ideological and ethical values, wouldn't they be subject to share holder lawsuit?
IOW, If pursuing policies Woke or Heritage were to demonstrably indicate a loss of real or potential revenue, does this merit legal action by the shareholders against the directors?
Heritage values don't play in China. Not playing China means potential losses of billions.
Most people's pension/retirement funds don't go to church or LGBT parades.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (p8A+W)
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I've mentioned this before, but it is a good example of "the past is a foreign country"
Not long after 9/11 an NSA whisteblower came forward and told the story of a data analysis program he had implemented. The program had found Atta was in the US and up to something (though they didn't know what specifically).
He tried to push upper management in Nat Sec to do something but instead they cancelled the program. NOT because of the Atta data, but because the program found that a number of high profile Western pols were being paid off by China and...obviously that's just crazy talk right?
Not long after 9/11 an NSA whisteblower came forward and told the story of a data analysis program he had implemented. The program had found Atta was in the US and up to something (though they didn't know what specifically).
He tried to push upper management in Nat Sec to do something but instead they cancelled the program. NOT because of the Atta data, but because the program found that a number of high profile Western pols were being paid off by China and...obviously that's just crazy talk right?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (lc5cP)
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Our own Pixy got tossed off Twitter last week on rant, the same Marxist employees for the most part work there and will do what they can to keep that Cultural Marxism going
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:12 PM (xhxe8)
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and he's been saying for some time that he thinks AI is the most dangerous thing our world is facing.
Then why is Musk an early adopter and investor in AI?
Then why is Musk an early adopter and investor in AI?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:12 PM (p8A+W)
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"What motivates people to violate dearly held principles of freedom and liberty and free expression of ideas?
Money."
C'mon it's not like Musk is selling out a free West built on the principles of liberty and free expression. Because let's be serious here, that just doesn't fucking exist anymore.
I have pointed this out before - the CCP are a bunch of authoritarian monsters but they don't actually hate the Chinese. Our Western prog rulers on the other hand hate us with a burning passion and are dismantling our civilization. And these are of course the same people that cheered the destruction of South Africa and what is now Zimbabwe, which is obviously not going to be lost on Musk.
A lot of people think he's a loon but he's really serious about getting the fuck off the planet - or at least getting his descendants off. He sees the writing on the wall. I can't say I disagree; I think a post-Western dark age is very nearly unavoidable at this point.
Money."
C'mon it's not like Musk is selling out a free West built on the principles of liberty and free expression. Because let's be serious here, that just doesn't fucking exist anymore.
I have pointed this out before - the CCP are a bunch of authoritarian monsters but they don't actually hate the Chinese. Our Western prog rulers on the other hand hate us with a burning passion and are dismantling our civilization. And these are of course the same people that cheered the destruction of South Africa and what is now Zimbabwe, which is obviously not going to be lost on Musk.
A lot of people think he's a loon but he's really serious about getting the fuck off the planet - or at least getting his descendants off. He sees the writing on the wall. I can't say I disagree; I think a post-Western dark age is very nearly unavoidable at this point.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:12 PM (BW9UA)
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We're living in a time when a person's word has a shelf-life.
This offer is only good until the sun rises tomorrow.
This offer is only good until the sun rises tomorrow.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 09, 2023 12:12 PM (KVGVf)
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One company I worked at tried to open up a subsidiary in China.
The local chinese they were forced, by law, to work with stole the company's IP.
Sure enough a couple of years later another VP had a slightly different idea to open business in China. And...I know this is a shock but it ended exactly the same way.
The local chinese they were forced, by law, to work with stole the company's IP.
Sure enough a couple of years later another VP had a slightly different idea to open business in China. And...I know this is a shock but it ended exactly the same way.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2023 12:13 PM (lc5cP)
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But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
The same place every central bank gets their money.
The same place every central bank gets their money.
Posted by: Fiat Currency Generator at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (p8A+W)
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I think a 'pledge' to promote socialist values is more like a wink and nod to be able to do business with the CCP. Yea, there will be placards and some such shit plastered in advertising... in China, probably not here tho'.
Whatever... Musk's a con man of unusual skills.
* shrugs * Don't really give a fuck either way.
Whatever... Musk's a con man of unusual skills.
* shrugs * Don't really give a fuck either way.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (Q4IgG)
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This behavior by the Chicoms has been going on forever. Clinton absolutely took bribes to let China steal rocket technologies.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (5xURv)
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maybe he had his fingers crossed behind his back at the time
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (geLO
In relation to Chi Nah, it brings to mind the U.S. policy on Taiwan.
Yeah, we say out loud "One China," but then tell China "leave them alone." And the recent controversy with what Tony "Always be" Blinkin said is not any change in policy, just that he wasn't supposed to say it the way he did.
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (geLO
In relation to Chi Nah, it brings to mind the U.S. policy on Taiwan.
Yeah, we say out loud "One China," but then tell China "leave them alone." And the recent controversy with what Tony "Always be" Blinkin said is not any change in policy, just that he wasn't supposed to say it the way he did.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (JNXnC)
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Yes, Musk is a business man, just as Trump is. I have little problem with Elon Musk's actions. His words here don't seem to lock him into something objectionable. He's patting Xi on the head.
Posted by: creeper at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (cTCuP)
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (us2H3)
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Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (us2H3)
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It's no more a sellout than is any business that pays the communist government of China to produce widgets.
When you agree to do business with the devil, whether you speak his heresy boldly and loudly or do so quietly for personal gain, you are in allegiance.
Apple approves of Chinese labor camps. And I do to when I purchase their products, though I like to give myself a pass for not thinking of it consciously in an effort to assuage my own guilt.
This is the reality of life. Tesla's agreement to formally promote the ChiComs agenda, Disney's removal of homos from the Chinese releases, Apple's tacit approval of slave labor....these things aren't any different than me paying my cable fees to Disney, purchasing cheap Walmart plastic goodies or upgrading my iPhone.
They just do so formally, I do so tacitly.
When you agree to do business with the devil, whether you speak his heresy boldly and loudly or do so quietly for personal gain, you are in allegiance.
Apple approves of Chinese labor camps. And I do to when I purchase their products, though I like to give myself a pass for not thinking of it consciously in an effort to assuage my own guilt.
This is the reality of life. Tesla's agreement to formally promote the ChiComs agenda, Disney's removal of homos from the Chinese releases, Apple's tacit approval of slave labor....these things aren't any different than me paying my cable fees to Disney, purchasing cheap Walmart plastic goodies or upgrading my iPhone.
They just do so formally, I do so tacitly.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (h2vHe)
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Hypothesis for discussion:
COVID-19 Wuhan was a plan by the Deep State to kneecap China. Using reliable useful idiots, they funded this research and moved the research to China.
Then they relied on poor Chinese lab practices to release the vector in China.
China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
COVID-19 Wuhan was a plan by the Deep State to kneecap China. Using reliable useful idiots, they funded this research and moved the research to China.
Then they relied on poor Chinese lab practices to release the vector in China.
China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (u82oZ)
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For all the bowing, scraping, and kowtowing, Yellen didn't even get a dinner. Just a 25% off coupon for a neighborhood Chop Suey place and they called her an Uber to get there.
Posted by: She's Disgusting! at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (T0tUU)
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I know a bunch of people are jumping on elon musk for signing that CCP pledge but I just want to put it out there that if he doesn't sign that pledge he don't sell Tesla's in China, it's that simple.
You want to do business in China you do exactly what the Chinese government says to do or you don't conduct business in China.
You want to do business in China you do exactly what the Chinese government says to do or you don't conduct business in China.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 09, 2023 12:16 PM (ncXxy)
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But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
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The same place every central bank gets their money.
Posted by: Fiat Currency Generator at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (p8A+W)
U.S. printing presses?
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The same place every central bank gets their money.
Posted by: Fiat Currency Generator at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (p8A+W)
U.S. printing presses?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:16 PM (JNXnC)
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Stand alone those principles are non controversial. We know though that they are just propaganda word salad of the Commies.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 12:16 PM (FO8S3)
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This is threepeat post but it's on point. Two tweets about Chairman Mao's belief that Marx could defeat nature and the results.
Xi Van Fleet@XVanFleet
Man can conquer nature (人定胜天
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— Chairman Mao
This is what godless Communists believe in.
Each time the CCP tries to bend nature to its will, it brought disaster to the Chinese people. The worst man-made disaster so far was the failure of Banqiao Dam in 1975 which killed up to 240,000 people, affected an additional 10 million people, & flooded about 30 cities. The Three-Gorge Dam is another time bomb waiting to go off that would bring about unimaginable catastrophe.
The climate cult is following Mao & will try to block the sun to save the planet!👇
1 of 2
Xi Van Fleet@XVanFleet
Man can conquer nature (人定胜天
.
— Chairman Mao
This is what godless Communists believe in.
Each time the CCP tries to bend nature to its will, it brought disaster to the Chinese people. The worst man-made disaster so far was the failure of Banqiao Dam in 1975 which killed up to 240,000 people, affected an additional 10 million people, & flooded about 30 cities. The Three-Gorge Dam is another time bomb waiting to go off that would bring about unimaginable catastrophe.
The climate cult is following Mao & will try to block the sun to save the planet!👇
1 of 2
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:17 PM (FVME7)
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Modern American culture: Slavery is the worst thing ever...how could anyone countenance it happening? I mean almost everyone was guilty at some level!
Also Modern American culture: Wow isn't this iPhone great! Slave labor? Well that's just Chinese culture. Who are we to judge?
Also Modern American culture: Wow isn't this iPhone great! Slave labor? Well that's just Chinese culture. Who are we to judge?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2023 12:17 PM (lc5cP)
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Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (Q4IgG)
I think it has everything to do with making us bend the knee.
I think it has everything to do with making us bend the knee.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:17 PM (PHmov)
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2 of 2
In the 50’s Mao challenged nature by launching a mass campaign against four pests: flys, mosquitoes, rats & sparrows. Why sparrows? It was believed that they eat crops.
The entire nation was mobilized to make it impossible for sparrows to stop & rest so that they drop from sky out of exhaustion. Quota was given to each household. Ppl who could not fulfill it ended up buying dead pests in the black market.
The campaign turned out to be disastrous as crops suffered from insects without sparrows.
In the 50’s Mao challenged nature by launching a mass campaign against four pests: flys, mosquitoes, rats & sparrows. Why sparrows? It was believed that they eat crops.
The entire nation was mobilized to make it impossible for sparrows to stop & rest so that they drop from sky out of exhaustion. Quota was given to each household. Ppl who could not fulfill it ended up buying dead pests in the black market.
The campaign turned out to be disastrous as crops suffered from insects without sparrows.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:17 PM (FVME7)
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One company I worked at tried to open up a subsidiary in China.
Imagine being able to time-travel five years in the past and take all of the knowledge you have now to that time and make financial/life decisions based on what you learned.
A day trading firm I consulted for closed their local office and senior management moved to China to open up there.
Thy reckoned that the Chinese financial markets were five years behind the US/Europe and they were just going to look at their own history playbooks and run with the emendations.
That didn't work out well.
Imagine being able to time-travel five years in the past and take all of the knowledge you have now to that time and make financial/life decisions based on what you learned.
A day trading firm I consulted for closed their local office and senior management moved to China to open up there.
Thy reckoned that the Chinese financial markets were five years behind the US/Europe and they were just going to look at their own history playbooks and run with the emendations.
That didn't work out well.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:18 PM (p8A+W)
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and he's been saying for some time that he thinks AI is the most dangerous thing our world is facing.
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Then why is Musk an early adopter and investor in AI?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:12 PM (p8A+W)
Maybe he's seen enough from the inside to justify a change in his views. All I know is, if you ask him now, he's not a fan of AI. Or maybe more accurately, he believes it should be much more slowly and carefully explored, rather than as we are, just jumping in with both feet, having no idea where this ends up.
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Then why is Musk an early adopter and investor in AI?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 12:12 PM (p8A+W)
Maybe he's seen enough from the inside to justify a change in his views. All I know is, if you ask him now, he's not a fan of AI. Or maybe more accurately, he believes it should be much more slowly and carefully explored, rather than as we are, just jumping in with both feet, having no idea where this ends up.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:18 PM (JNXnC)
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I don't think Musk believes the green scare shibboleths he repeats either. I think he's all about getting rockets off the ground and he'll swear to the Pope that the Sun revolves around the Earth if that's what it takes to get to Mars.
Also, has anyone else seen Peter Zeihan talking about the Chinese demographic collapse? I don't always agree with Zeihan's conclusions or predictions, but his research is usually right on point. His info is usually right, he just may not have all the info. Link goes to Youtube:
https://tinyurl.com/32aesvfd
Also, has anyone else seen Peter Zeihan talking about the Chinese demographic collapse? I don't always agree with Zeihan's conclusions or predictions, but his research is usually right on point. His info is usually right, he just may not have all the info. Link goes to Youtube:
https://tinyurl.com/32aesvfd
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 09, 2023 12:18 PM (z+89e)
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Look carefully at the items the boot is stomping on... Recognize any?
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
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As an additional note to those who don't understand what is up;
Musk didn't buy Twitter to further free speech. He bought it because he needed a media presence that wasn't hostile to him as insurance vs. the Western progs - who increasingly had a stranglehold on mainstream internet discourse. It's not any different than one of the old robber-barons buying a major newspaper.
This doesn't mean he doesn't approve of free speech, but Musk isn't fucking retarded; he has to understand how authoritarian the West is now, and the direction things are heading.
You all keep acting as if there is some fight for liberty in the West. That ship sailed 20+ years ago.
Musk didn't buy Twitter to further free speech. He bought it because he needed a media presence that wasn't hostile to him as insurance vs. the Western progs - who increasingly had a stranglehold on mainstream internet discourse. It's not any different than one of the old robber-barons buying a major newspaper.
This doesn't mean he doesn't approve of free speech, but Musk isn't fucking retarded; he has to understand how authoritarian the West is now, and the direction things are heading.
You all keep acting as if there is some fight for liberty in the West. That ship sailed 20+ years ago.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (BW9UA)
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Yellen is a freaking pig.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (AviTG)
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And retarded. Don’t forget retarded.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Kicked in her soccer ball head once too often.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 12:06 PM (AviTG)
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And retarded. Don’t forget retarded.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Kicked in her soccer ball head once too often.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (FVME7)
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48 Look carefully at the items the boot is stomping on... Recognize any?
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
Sure. Imagine there's no religion...
48 Look carefully at the items the boot is stomping on... Recognize any?
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
Sure. Imagine there's no religion...
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (5xURv)
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>>I have pointed this out before - the CCP are a bunch of authoritarian monsters but they don't actually hate the Chinese. Our Western prog rulers on the other hand hate us with a burning passion and are dismantling our civilization. And these are of course the same people that cheered the destruction of South Africa and what is now Zimbabwe, which is obviously not going to be lost on Musk.
I'm not so sure I'd give the CCP a pass on loving their people. They murdered the shit out of millions of them and stick many more in concentration camps. In fact, I would suggest that communism by its nature is the most anti-human ideology on the planet. You either obey or you become un-personed or worse.
It seems pretty natural to me that our elites are adopting the same attitude toward us as they become more communist and their attack on free speech is right at the core.
I'm not so sure I'd give the CCP a pass on loving their people. They murdered the shit out of millions of them and stick many more in concentration camps. In fact, I would suggest that communism by its nature is the most anti-human ideology on the planet. You either obey or you become un-personed or worse.
It seems pretty natural to me that our elites are adopting the same attitude toward us as they become more communist and their attack on free speech is right at the core.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ZLI7S)
53
This follows the Belt and Road initiative.
But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (5xURv)
Intellectual Property theft, reverse engineering technology, and out right piracy and corrupt business practices.
But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 09, 2023 12:11 PM (5xURv)
Intellectual Property theft, reverse engineering technology, and out right piracy and corrupt business practices.
Posted by: BifBewalski at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (3CCua)
54
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 09, 2023 12:16 PM (ncXxy)
Agree and as I said, what he allegedly agreed to are non-controversial statements and boiler plate rhetoric. We'll see in the future if they demand more . It's almost a given. Then we will see what Musk does.
Agree and as I said, what he allegedly agreed to are non-controversial statements and boiler plate rhetoric. We'll see in the future if they demand more . It's almost a given. Then we will see what Musk does.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (FO8S3)
55
Modern American culture: Slavery is the worst thing ever...how could anyone countenance it happening? I mean almost everyone was guilty at some level!
Also Modern American culture: Wow isn't this iPhone great! Slave labor? Well that's just Chinese culture. Who are we to judge?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2023 12:17 PM (lc5cP)
Also modern culture: HOW DARE YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT CHILD SEX SLAVES!!
Also Modern American culture: Wow isn't this iPhone great! Slave labor? Well that's just Chinese culture. Who are we to judge?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2023 12:17 PM (lc5cP)
Also modern culture: HOW DARE YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT CHILD SEX SLAVES!!
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (JNXnC)
56
Look carefully at the items the boot is stomping on... Recognize any?
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
Coke and dominoes?
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
Coke and dominoes?
Posted by: BignJames at July 09, 2023 12:21 PM (AwYPR)
57
1 Workers of the World unite
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:00 PM (xhxe
Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover...
Morrissey
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:00 PM (xhxe
Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover...
Morrissey
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 09, 2023 12:22 PM (TGPs7)
58
Why are people always insulting pigs?
Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (dr4Q1)
Yeah!
Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (dr4Q1)
Yeah!
Posted by: Fred Ziffel at July 09, 2023 12:22 PM (PiwSw)
59
You could make the argument that it's a form of secular taqqiyya. "Yeah. Sure. Core socialist values *cranking motion* Whatever you say, Ching Chong." Lie to their faces and take their crappy money.
It probably isn't.
But it could be.
It probably isn't.
But it could be.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 12:23 PM (9UlRk)
60
Jesus, Budda, rock and roll and CokeACola.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 09, 2023 12:23 PM (5xURv)
61
Speaking of science . . .
KimRB she/her/cis
@KimRigden
I hate being the sole masker everywhere I got. Makes me feel like people people don’t care and they they think I am overreacting.
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Her photo at the link prominently displays a pin with her "SHE HER" pronouns.
https://tinyurl.com/bdcme8ma
KimRB she/her/cis
@KimRigden
I hate being the sole masker everywhere I got. Makes me feel like people people don’t care and they they think I am overreacting.
-
Her photo at the link prominently displays a pin with her "SHE HER" pronouns.
https://tinyurl.com/bdcme8ma
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:23 PM (FVME7)
62
Musk didn't buy Twitter to further free speech. He bought it because he needed a media presence that wasn't hostile to him as insurance vs. the Western progs - who increasingly had a stranglehold on mainstream internet discourse. It's not any different than one of the old robber-barons buying a major newspaper.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (BW9UA)
Uh that's free speech . That it may be personal to him doesn't make that much of a difference. He's not trying to suppress my speech in favor of his.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (BW9UA)
Uh that's free speech . That it may be personal to him doesn't make that much of a difference. He's not trying to suppress my speech in favor of his.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (FO8S3)
63
56 Look carefully at the items the boot is stomping on... Recognize any?
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
Crucifix at the far left..
Posted by: patvann at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (YM21I)
Crucifix at the far left..
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (PiwSw)
64
Musk and Twitter make me think of Tucker Carlson who hasn’t done a new episode since June 30 which I believe is the biggest time gap he’s had between episodes. Of course, he’s only had 8 episodes… but what’s he waiting for? Lots to comment on out there…
As for Musk, I don’t think his Tesla groveling to get into or stay in the Chinese market is a huge deal… he’s doing what he has to for the business, distasteful as it is…
As for Musk, I don’t think his Tesla groveling to get into or stay in the Chinese market is a huge deal… he’s doing what he has to for the business, distasteful as it is…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (M23Y7)
65
I'm not so sure I'd give the CCP a pass on loving their people. They murdered the shit out of millions of them and stick many more in concentration camps. In fact, I would suggest that communism by its nature is the most anti-human ideology on the planet. You either obey or you become un-personed or worse.
It seems pretty natural to me that our elites are adopting the same attitude toward us as they become more communist and their attack on free speech is right at the core.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ZLI7S)
I think any accurate reading of current commies and lefties (BIRM) is that they not just rounding us up and shooting/gassing us, is they don't have the means to do it effectively... yet.
Once they do, they will. And they're working feverishly (pun intended?) to prefect the means.
It seems pretty natural to me that our elites are adopting the same attitude toward us as they become more communist and their attack on free speech is right at the core.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ZLI7S)
I think any accurate reading of current commies and lefties (BIRM) is that they not just rounding us up and shooting/gassing us, is they don't have the means to do it effectively... yet.
Once they do, they will. And they're working feverishly (pun intended?) to prefect the means.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (JNXnC)
66
Wasn't Sheher the bad guy lion from the Lion King or something?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (9UlRk)
67
Why are people always insulting pigs?
Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (dr4Q1)
Pigs are noble, and useful. They self-immolate, that they may give us bacon.
Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 09, 2023 12:09 PM (dr4Q1)
Pigs are noble, and useful. They self-immolate, that they may give us bacon.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (zeDg7)
68
>>Maybe he's seen enough from the inside to justify a change in his views. All I know is, if you ask him now, he's not a fan of AI. Or maybe more accurately, he believes it should be much more slowly and carefully explored, rather than as we are, just jumping in with both feet, having no idea where this ends up.
He has done a few interviews on this topic including a pretty good one with Tucker. I think you expressed his views pretty accurately.
He was an early supporter of AI and it like a lot technology it does have useful applications. What Musk is concerned about is AI being used without any guardrails. Probably not a huge coincidence that he had to throttle Twitter the other week because of an AI bot attack by Zuckerberg.
He has done a few interviews on this topic including a pretty good one with Tucker. I think you expressed his views pretty accurately.
He was an early supporter of AI and it like a lot technology it does have useful applications. What Musk is concerned about is AI being used without any guardrails. Probably not a huge coincidence that he had to throttle Twitter the other week because of an AI bot attack by Zuckerberg.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)
69
>>>Modern American culture: Slavery is the worst thing ever...how could anyone countenance it happening? I mean almost everyone was guilty at some level!
Also Modern American culture: Wow isn't this iPhone great! Slave labor? Well that's just Chinese culture. Who are we to judge?
>An adherence to principle is a delicate thing.
I'm mortal and I'm not out crusading to save the world! Nor the species! Nor the environment!
Activism and insanity and hypocrisy are always part of the equation.
Also Modern American culture: Wow isn't this iPhone great! Slave labor? Well that's just Chinese culture. Who are we to judge?
>An adherence to principle is a delicate thing.
I'm mortal and I'm not out crusading to save the world! Nor the species! Nor the environment!
Activism and insanity and hypocrisy are always part of the equation.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (KVGVf)
70
"No person and no force can stop the march of the Chinese people toward better lives!"
That's a bit different than,
Study Hard and Work Hard for a Better Life.
Almost as if something other than their own capability is holding them back. Whether individula or collective, something is holding them back is the message. Not so much a socialist message, but an aggressive message... maybe to take a sledge hammer to those who are relatively better.
That's a bit different than,
Study Hard and Work Hard for a Better Life.
Almost as if something other than their own capability is holding them back. Whether individula or collective, something is holding them back is the message. Not so much a socialist message, but an aggressive message... maybe to take a sledge hammer to those who are relatively better.
Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 09, 2023 12:26 PM (ga8qR)
71
20 This follows the Belt and Road initiative.
But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
****
Walmart, cosco, hom furniture, husqvarna, dollar general, practically all consumer goods, i.e you and me. This is what we voted for. Don't you remember?
But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
****
Walmart, cosco, hom furniture, husqvarna, dollar general, practically all consumer goods, i.e you and me. This is what we voted for. Don't you remember?
Posted by: MikhailN at July 09, 2023 12:27 PM (DHsR8)
72
money to give out to everyone?
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The same place every central bank gets their money.
Posted by: Fiat Currency Generator at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (p8A+W)
U.S. printing presses?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:16 PM (JNXnC)
Yes.
CHN accumulates enormoua USD via their enormous foreign trade. Those USD don't enter the mainland. The mainland uses diff currency of their own.
Those USDs have to go somewhere other than CHN.
If CHN had a ton of shell companies and those companies had bank accounts in US banks and put trillions into the system as deposits and then strategically moved it out of particular accounts I wonder what might happen to banks?
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The same place every central bank gets their money.
Posted by: Fiat Currency Generator at July 09, 2023 12:14 PM (p8A+W)
U.S. printing presses?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:16 PM (JNXnC)
Yes.
CHN accumulates enormoua USD via their enormous foreign trade. Those USD don't enter the mainland. The mainland uses diff currency of their own.
Those USDs have to go somewhere other than CHN.
If CHN had a ton of shell companies and those companies had bank accounts in US banks and put trillions into the system as deposits and then strategically moved it out of particular accounts I wonder what might happen to banks?
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 12:27 PM (9XM3s)
73
Activism and insanity and hypocrisy are always part of the equation.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (KVGVf)
Ben&Jerry given back their land yet?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (KVGVf)
Ben&Jerry given back their land yet?
Posted by: BignJames at July 09, 2023 12:27 PM (AwYPR)
74
Musk and Twitter make me think of Tucker Carlson who hasn’t done a new episode since June 30 which I believe is the biggest time gap he’s had between episodes. Of course, he’s only had 8 episodes… but what’s he waiting for? Lots to comment on out there…
As for Musk, I don’t think his Tesla groveling to get into or stay in the Chinese market is a huge deal… he’s doing what he has to for the business, distasteful as it is…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (M23Y7)
I watched the interview he did with British Actor Guy Brand. If you read between the lines, I think he's saying he's struggling somewhat with motivation, maybe even some depression, but otherwise enjoying peace and quiet in his sanctuary at home, with his wife and dogs and fishing pole.
As for Musk, I don’t think his Tesla groveling to get into or stay in the Chinese market is a huge deal… he’s doing what he has to for the business, distasteful as it is…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (M23Y7)
I watched the interview he did with British Actor Guy Brand. If you read between the lines, I think he's saying he's struggling somewhat with motivation, maybe even some depression, but otherwise enjoying peace and quiet in his sanctuary at home, with his wife and dogs and fishing pole.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:27 PM (JNXnC)
75
Crucifix at the far left..
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (PiwSw)
-
I think I see just in front and right of that a book? And it looks like there's perhaps a picture of a Der Sturmer Jew caricature with a star of David to its right.
Am I seeing things?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (PiwSw)
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I think I see just in front and right of that a book? And it looks like there's perhaps a picture of a Der Sturmer Jew caricature with a star of David to its right.
Am I seeing things?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (odVni)
76
The grand irony is that Ping Pong up there in the poster is fixing to smash his own toes up with that hammer if he keeps going on like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (9UlRk)
77
Pigs are noble, and useful. They self-immolate, that they may give us bacon.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
***********
They don't really self-immolate. We help them a bit.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
***********
They don't really self-immolate. We help them a bit.
Posted by: Hatfield, Smithfield, and Oscar Meyer at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (FzIH8)
78
Sun Tzu over here
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (X+Ku8)
79
The Chinese EV market is huge, and Tesla can't walk away from it. I don't care what he says, it's what he does that counts, and he continues to build the best products.
It looks like it was his buying of Twitter that exposed the government abuse of the 1st Amendment. That cuts him a lot of slack in my book
It looks like it was his buying of Twitter that exposed the government abuse of the 1st Amendment. That cuts him a lot of slack in my book
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (OqSlY)
80
...he is at heart a businessman who is clearly comfortable with those totalitarian tendencies when it makes financial sense.
===
Hermann Goering
Joseph P. Kennedy
Armand Hammer
Oskar Schindler
William Geneen
Jack Welch
Steve Jobs
So many heroes of free market capitalism.
===
Hermann Goering
Joseph P. Kennedy
Armand Hammer
Oskar Schindler
William Geneen
Jack Welch
Steve Jobs
So many heroes of free market capitalism.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (RIvkX)
81
Ben&Jerry given back their land yet?
Posted by: BignJames at July 09, 2023 12:27 PM (AwYPR)
I absolutely love the unintended consequence of those two commies shooting their mouths off!
Posted by: BignJames at July 09, 2023 12:27 PM (AwYPR)
I absolutely love the unintended consequence of those two commies shooting their mouths off!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:29 PM (PHmov)
82
Whenever the question is: Where is the money for X coming from? the answer is always, always, always, the American people.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2023 12:29 PM (lc5cP)
83
It would be nice to see our side demand that the Chinese communists bend a knee to our values but to be honest, I don't know what those values are any more what with the brazenly fascist melding of corporations and government we are seeing here more and more.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (yklXZ)
84
Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover...
Morrissey
Supermarket employee FIRED for simply videoing 3 dudes stealing $500 worth of items and getting their license plate number. He did not intervene.
https://tinyurl.com/4ct8yd3v
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It's impolite to video our customers as they steal.
P.S. This is from our own People's Republic of Colorado.
Morrissey
Supermarket employee FIRED for simply videoing 3 dudes stealing $500 worth of items and getting their license plate number. He did not intervene.
https://tinyurl.com/4ct8yd3v
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It's impolite to video our customers as they steal.
P.S. This is from our own People's Republic of Colorado.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (FVME7)
85
"All they care about is money, whores, pensions, sinecures, rape, cocaine, bribes, kickbacks, fraud and rape."
You said rape twice
You said rape twice
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (a0CyC)
86
"52
I'm not so sure I'd give the CCP a pass on loving their people. They murdered the shit out of millions of them and stick many more in concentration camps.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ZLI7S)"
You discount the changes in CCP ideology at your own intellectual peril, here; just because they're a bunch of dickheads doesn't mean they're not serious about it. They've jettisoned what they see as the counter-productive parts of Leninism and Stalinism, and now are more public about moving on past Mao. There is a reason they call it "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
They're trying to merge Western European socialism-lite with an iron-fist-in-velvet-glove authoritarianism. They're not stupid - they don't want to return to the excesses driven by cults of personality and also want to avoid the pre-CCP dynastic chaos. This of course does not excuse the current concentration camps aimed at non-ethnic Chinese.
The Western progs seek to destroy us to replace us with serfs; they Chinese don't have to, their people are already serfs, albeit with a nicer veneer.
I'm not so sure I'd give the CCP a pass on loving their people. They murdered the shit out of millions of them and stick many more in concentration camps.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:20 PM (ZLI7S)"
You discount the changes in CCP ideology at your own intellectual peril, here; just because they're a bunch of dickheads doesn't mean they're not serious about it. They've jettisoned what they see as the counter-productive parts of Leninism and Stalinism, and now are more public about moving on past Mao. There is a reason they call it "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
They're trying to merge Western European socialism-lite with an iron-fist-in-velvet-glove authoritarianism. They're not stupid - they don't want to return to the excesses driven by cults of personality and also want to avoid the pre-CCP dynastic chaos. This of course does not excuse the current concentration camps aimed at non-ethnic Chinese.
The Western progs seek to destroy us to replace us with serfs; they Chinese don't have to, their people are already serfs, albeit with a nicer veneer.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:31 PM (BW9UA)
87
China's Belt and Road initiative runs through some of the poorest countries on the planet. They get the local governments to supply cheap/slave labor for the infrastructure and promise them a cut of some later profits that may, or may not materialize.
Plus the countries get some sort of assurance China will protect them.
A lot of belt and road has as much to do with military expansion as it does national aspirations of global hegemony.
Plus the countries get some sort of assurance China will protect them.
A lot of belt and road has as much to do with military expansion as it does national aspirations of global hegemony.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:32 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 09, 2023 12:32 PM (ga8qR)
89
>>This follows the Belt and Road initiative.
>>But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
A lot of the Belt and Road is a Ponzi scheme. The once dominant CEFC, the CCP financed supposed energy conglomerate that employed the Bidens, was declared bankrupt 3 years ago.
>>But where is China getting all the money to give out to everyone?
A lot of the Belt and Road is a Ponzi scheme. The once dominant CEFC, the CCP financed supposed energy conglomerate that employed the Bidens, was declared bankrupt 3 years ago.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:33 PM (ZLI7S)
90
Hypothesis for discussion:
COVID-19 Wuhan was a plan by the Deep State to kneecap China. Using reliable useful idiots, they funded this research and moved the research to China.
Then they relied on poor Chinese lab practices to release the vector in China.
China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (u82oZ)
Plausible
COVID-19 Wuhan was a plan by the Deep State to kneecap China. Using reliable useful idiots, they funded this research and moved the research to China.
Then they relied on poor Chinese lab practices to release the vector in China.
China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (u82oZ)
Plausible
Posted by: BifBewalski at July 09, 2023 12:33 PM (3CCua)
91
"62 Musk didn't buy Twitter to further free speech. He bought it because he needed a media presence that wasn't hostile to him as insurance vs. the Western progs - who increasingly had a stranglehold on mainstream internet discourse. It's not any different than one of the old robber-barons buying a major newspaper.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (BW9UA)
Uh that's free speech . That it may be personal to him doesn't make that much of a difference. He's not trying to suppress my speech in favor of his.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (FO8S3)"
What I'm saying is, don't expect him to stick up for yours if he sees it as a lost cause or not worth the cost. This isn't a jab at him, just explaining the lay of the land.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:19 PM (BW9UA)
Uh that's free speech . That it may be personal to him doesn't make that much of a difference. He's not trying to suppress my speech in favor of his.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 12:24 PM (FO8S3)"
What I'm saying is, don't expect him to stick up for yours if he sees it as a lost cause or not worth the cost. This isn't a jab at him, just explaining the lay of the land.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:33 PM (BW9UA)
92
Jesus on a cross is under that boot
Marxism from its beginning was out to destroy western religion
Marxism from its beginning was out to destroy western religion
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:33 PM (xhxe8)
93
He has done a few interviews on this topic including a pretty good one with Tucker. I think you expressed his views pretty accurately.
He was an early supporter of AI and it like a lot technology it does have useful applications. What Musk is concerned about is AI being used without any guardrails. Probably not a huge coincidence that he had to throttle Twitter the other week because of an AI bot attack by Zuckerberg.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)
I speculated the other day, that maybe Zuck was coming around a bit, like Musk, to see the threats of being a big time player in how the state and corporate entities (like theirs) are impeding freedom.
I think Zuck has since done some things that would indicate I was wrong about that. Musk seems to have something of a moral compass, whereas Zuck has whatever Assburger robots have, which would appear to have nothing to do with morality.
He was an early supporter of AI and it like a lot technology it does have useful applications. What Musk is concerned about is AI being used without any guardrails. Probably not a huge coincidence that he had to throttle Twitter the other week because of an AI bot attack by Zuckerberg.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)
I speculated the other day, that maybe Zuck was coming around a bit, like Musk, to see the threats of being a big time player in how the state and corporate entities (like theirs) are impeding freedom.
I think Zuck has since done some things that would indicate I was wrong about that. Musk seems to have something of a moral compass, whereas Zuck has whatever Assburger robots have, which would appear to have nothing to do with morality.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:33 PM (ML5C1)
94
83 It would be nice to see our side demand that the Chinese communists bend a knee to our values but to be honest, I don't know what those values are any more what with the brazenly fascist melding of corporations and government we are seeing here more and more.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (yklXZ)
Heh. "You want us to let your cheap plastic shit through our shipping lanes? Sing the star spangled banner on live TV. All the verses. Do it. Louder, Comrade Chairman. They can't hear you in Nebraska. Now kiss this picture of Thomas Jefferson and say 'I'm a little fat girl'. Come on now. You can do it."
These little peckers can't even conceive of real Wolf Warrior Diplomacy.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (yklXZ)
Heh. "You want us to let your cheap plastic shit through our shipping lanes? Sing the star spangled banner on live TV. All the verses. Do it. Louder, Comrade Chairman. They can't hear you in Nebraska. Now kiss this picture of Thomas Jefferson and say 'I'm a little fat girl'. Come on now. You can do it."
These little peckers can't even conceive of real Wolf Warrior Diplomacy.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 12:34 PM (9UlRk)
95
*But let us wait a few years before we anoint him as the savior of free speech.*
There's a reason it's a good idea to wait until someone has been dead for a long time until a ship gets named in their honor.
*But let us wait a few years before we anoint him as the savior of free speech.*
There's a reason it's a good idea to wait until someone has been dead for a long time until a ship gets named in their honor.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 09, 2023 12:35 PM (DhOHl)
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James Lindsay might say we are reliving the Chinese Cultural Revolution
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:35 PM (xhxe8)
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James Lindsay might say we are reliving the Chinese Cultural Revolution
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:35 PM (xhxe
Too many dunces. Not enough caps.
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:35 PM (xhxe
Too many dunces. Not enough caps.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 12:36 PM (9UlRk)
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Then they relied on poor Chinese lab practices to release the vector in China.
China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (u82oZ)
My position. But I think neo-cons in the Deep State actually released it as battlefield prep for an actual War with CHN.
It was probably supposed to be a "racially" targeted bioweapon.
China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 12:15 PM (u82oZ)
My position. But I think neo-cons in the Deep State actually released it as battlefield prep for an actual War with CHN.
It was probably supposed to be a "racially" targeted bioweapon.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 12:36 PM (9XM3s)
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The CCP doesn't hate the general population? How many tens of millions did Mao kill? And he's still revered.
As a wise HK protestor once said "Don't trust China! China is asshole!"
As a wise HK protestor once said "Don't trust China! China is asshole!"
Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2023 12:37 PM (nnp+f)
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>>>I'm not so sure I'd give the CCP a pass on loving their people.
Different cultures are... different.
Different cultures are... different.
Posted by: Itimerant Alley Butcher at July 09, 2023 12:37 PM (ga8qR)
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Monay monay monay
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 09, 2023 12:38 PM (vHIgi)
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their people are already serfs, albeit with a nicer veneer.
Posted by: somedood
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I had to work for months at a time in China during the last five years before I retired. I didn't see any nice veneer of any kind in how they treated laborers.
Posted by: somedood
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I had to work for months at a time in China during the last five years before I retired. I didn't see any nice veneer of any kind in how they treated laborers.
Posted by: Cosda at July 09, 2023 12:38 PM (FzIH8)
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I absolutely love the unintended consequence of those two commies shooting their mouths off!
The Leftist who lost the mayoralty of Portland the last time briefly put up a tweet about how all of Portland was "stolen land". She quickly took it down, probably because people started asking when she was turning over the deed to her house to a local tribe.
The Leftist who lost the mayoralty of Portland the last time briefly put up a tweet about how all of Portland was "stolen land". She quickly took it down, probably because people started asking when she was turning over the deed to her house to a local tribe.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:38 PM (2tUFv)
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I watched the interview he did with British Actor Guy Brand. If you read between the lines, I think he's saying he's struggling somewhat with motivation, maybe even some depression, but otherwise enjoying peace and quiet in his sanctuary at home, with his wife and dogs and fishing pole
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Ace can we please ban women from this forum?
I watched the interview he did with British Actor Guy Brand. If you read between the lines, I think he's saying he's struggling somewhat with motivation, maybe even some depression, but otherwise enjoying peace and quiet in his sanctuary at home, with his wife and dogs and fishing pole
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Ace can we please ban women from this forum?
Posted by: MikhailN at July 09, 2023 12:38 PM (DHsR8)
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I'm happy
found a junked out towable seed spreader at the town dump
gonna mount my 16 gallon sprayer rig on it
the deer and I have an ongoing war
found a junked out towable seed spreader at the town dump
gonna mount my 16 gallon sprayer rig on it
the deer and I have an ongoing war
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 12:39 PM (us2H3)
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CBD, I was unaware of your affinity for France so I would like to apologize if I have offended you for many years of heaping derision on the French language, people, culture, politics, and history.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2023 12:40 PM (RIvkX)
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>>You discount the changes in CCP ideology at your own intellectual peril, here; just because they're a bunch of dickheads doesn't mean they're not serious about it. They've jettisoned what they see as the counter-productive parts of Leninism and Stalinism, and now are more public about moving on past Mao. There is a reason they call it "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
And you ignore the actions of the CCP at your own intellectual peril.
The CCP has put a happier face on their brand of communism but they are the same totalitarian monsters they have always been. Ask the residents of the former Hong Kong region.
Their shiny new social credit system which no coincidentally our leftist elites want for us here controls every aspect of the average Chinese citizens lives. Wrong think can get you denied access to basic things like food. And as bad as western governments were with the China virus I don't remember anyone in my area being welded into their home.
The Uyghurs are a fully recognized ethnic minority in China, they are Chinese. And yea, forced sterilization, organ harvesting, concentration camps are still a thing they are subjected to by the shiny new CCP.
And you ignore the actions of the CCP at your own intellectual peril.
The CCP has put a happier face on their brand of communism but they are the same totalitarian monsters they have always been. Ask the residents of the former Hong Kong region.
Their shiny new social credit system which no coincidentally our leftist elites want for us here controls every aspect of the average Chinese citizens lives. Wrong think can get you denied access to basic things like food. And as bad as western governments were with the China virus I don't remember anyone in my area being welded into their home.
The Uyghurs are a fully recognized ethnic minority in China, they are Chinese. And yea, forced sterilization, organ harvesting, concentration camps are still a thing they are subjected to by the shiny new CCP.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)
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It's impolite to video our customers as they steal.
P.S. This is from our own People's Republic of Colorado.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (FVME7)
Even in 2023, this shocks me. I cannot even begin to comprehend the mentality that would think this a a fireable offense. The owners don’t care about their own property??
P.S. This is from our own People's Republic of Colorado.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 09, 2023 12:30 PM (FVME7)
Even in 2023, this shocks me. I cannot even begin to comprehend the mentality that would think this a a fireable offense. The owners don’t care about their own property??
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2023 12:41 PM (M23Y7)
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Elon Musk is not your friend and if you own a Tesla you are an all-day sucker.
Posted by: Troof at July 09, 2023 12:42 PM (9etX0)
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He was an early supporter of AI and it like a lot technology it does have useful applications. What Musk is concerned about is AI being used without any guardrails. Probably not a huge coincidence that he had to throttle Twitter the other week because of an AI bot attack by Zuckerberg.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)
Musk did an interview with David Faber of CNBC maybe a month ago. Faber is a sneering Leftist twat but he's out of his depth against Musk. Musk basically said regarding AI, that when they started and Musk helped start one of the big operators (maybe with one of the Google founders, iirc) that the project was not for profit and open source. It has since morphed to closed source and for profit. He's not happy about that in particular.
He was an early supporter of AI and it like a lot technology it does have useful applications. What Musk is concerned about is AI being used without any guardrails. Probably not a huge coincidence that he had to throttle Twitter the other week because of an AI bot attack by Zuckerberg.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)
Musk did an interview with David Faber of CNBC maybe a month ago. Faber is a sneering Leftist twat but he's out of his depth against Musk. Musk basically said regarding AI, that when they started and Musk helped start one of the big operators (maybe with one of the Google founders, iirc) that the project was not for profit and open source. It has since morphed to closed source and for profit. He's not happy about that in particular.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 09, 2023 12:42 PM (z+89e)
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a number of high profile Western pols were being paid off by China
Official Washington is constantly being bought by foreigners - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, China, Ukraine, Russia, the list goes on and on.
If you seriously enforced the Foreign Agents Registration Act, you'd need a huge camp outside of DC to house all the violators.
Official Washington is constantly being bought by foreigners - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, China, Ukraine, Russia, the list goes on and on.
If you seriously enforced the Foreign Agents Registration Act, you'd need a huge camp outside of DC to house all the violators.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:43 PM (2tUFv)
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If you seriously enforced the Foreign Agents Registration Act, you'd need a huge camp outside of DC to house all the violators.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:43 PM (2tUFv)
So.... can we?
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:43 PM (2tUFv)
So.... can we?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 12:44 PM (9UlRk)
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You discount the changes in CCP ideology at your own intellectual peril, here; just because they're a bunch of dickheads doesn't mean they're not serious about it. They've jettisoned what they see as the counter-productive parts of Leninism and Stalinism, and now are more public about moving on past Mao. There is a reason they call it "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
I would argue that with Xi taking on Supreme Authority over all aspects of the Chinese Govm't, they have in fact moved back to the same old Imperial model that they've followed for over 2 millennia now, although it is a reformed and technological one.
I would argue that with Xi taking on Supreme Authority over all aspects of the Chinese Govm't, they have in fact moved back to the same old Imperial model that they've followed for over 2 millennia now, although it is a reformed and technological one.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:44 PM (S6gqv)
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>>>CBD, I was unaware of your affinity for France so I would like to apologize if I have offended you for many years of heaping derision on the French language, people, culture, politics, and history.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
I notice there is no mention of French food. So fries are still a factor, or shall we call them 'chips?'
Posted by: San Franpsycho
I notice there is no mention of French food. So fries are still a factor, or shall we call them 'chips?'
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 09, 2023 12:44 PM (KVGVf)
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Ace can we please ban women from this forum?
Posted by: MikhailN at July 09, 2023 12:38 PM (DHsR
Not funny.
Posted by: MikhailN at July 09, 2023 12:38 PM (DHsR
Not funny.
Posted by: creeper at July 09, 2023 12:44 PM (cTCuP)
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The CCP has put a happier face on their brand of communism but they are the same totalitarian monsters they have always been. Ask the residents of the former Hong Kong region.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)
Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)
Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
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So.... can we?
Nope, FARA is enforced very selectively against opponents of the Deep State, and is ignored otherwise.
Nope, FARA is enforced very selectively against opponents of the Deep State, and is ignored otherwise.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (2tUFv)
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My position. But I think neo-cons in the Deep State actually released it as battlefield prep for an actual War with CHN.
It was probably supposed to be a "racially" targeted bioweapon.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 12:36 PM (9XM3s)
Whatever it was, it wasn't just Chi Nah that was behind the scheme. The U.S. of A. was a full participant, but like we do with so many other things, we had exported the manufacture to Chi Nah.
It was probably supposed to be a "racially" targeted bioweapon.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 12:36 PM (9XM3s)
Whatever it was, it wasn't just Chi Nah that was behind the scheme. The U.S. of A. was a full participant, but like we do with so many other things, we had exported the manufacture to Chi Nah.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (qdGPb)
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If you seriously enforced the Foreign Agents Registration Act, you'd need a huge camp outside of DC to house all the violators.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:43 PM (2tUFv)
How about it we just set aside one large public building that already houses them - let's call it "Congress".
If you seriously enforced the Foreign Agents Registration Act, you'd need a huge camp outside of DC to house all the violators.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:43 PM (2tUFv)
How about it we just set aside one large public building that already houses them - let's call it "Congress".
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:46 PM (S6gqv)
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https://www.americanthinker.com/the great kowtow janet yellen bows to china
She knows who the pay master is
She knows who the pay master is
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:46 PM (xhxe8)
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10 years from now, Musk will probably be making most of his cash from Twitter
in 10 years, the government will be forced to give up the EV tax credits
making EVs unprofitable
the people, enduring an across the board 25% haircut, will demand that they be eliminated
in 10 years, the government will be forced to give up the EV tax credits
making EVs unprofitable
the people, enduring an across the board 25% haircut, will demand that they be eliminated
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 12:47 PM (us2H3)
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The CCP has put a happier face on their brand of communism but they are the same totalitarian monsters they have always been. Ask the residents of the former Hong Kong region.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)
Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
And they're exporting it much more fully and efficiently these days. Taking over the financial hold on third world (and maybe not-so-third world) shithole nations, building infrastructure, and making them financially depending on the CCP for decades to come.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)
Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
And they're exporting it much more fully and efficiently these days. Taking over the financial hold on third world (and maybe not-so-third world) shithole nations, building infrastructure, and making them financially depending on the CCP for decades to come.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:48 PM (qdGPb)
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>Even in 2023, this shocks me. I cannot even begin to comprehend the mentality that would think this a a fireable offense. The owners don’t care about their own property??
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
the grocery chain in question is very sensitive since the mass murder/shooting at their Boulder store a few years ago-
they probably want to avoid any unfortunate incidents that might arise from confronting shoplifters-
that's their view, in my wild-ass guess
their stores have armed security now
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
the grocery chain in question is very sensitive since the mass murder/shooting at their Boulder store a few years ago-
they probably want to avoid any unfortunate incidents that might arise from confronting shoplifters-
that's their view, in my wild-ass guess
their stores have armed security now
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:48 PM (geLO8)
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Not funny.
Posted by: creeper at July 09, 2023 12:44 PM (cTCuP)
I didn't get the joke, so I just ignored it.
Posted by: creeper at July 09, 2023 12:44 PM (cTCuP)
I didn't get the joke, so I just ignored it.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:48 PM (qdGPb)
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>their stores have armed security now
Posted by: DB - niche commenter
correction- the location I shop at has armed security- I can't speak to other locations
Posted by: DB - niche commenter
correction- the location I shop at has armed security- I can't speak to other locations
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:49 PM (geLO8)
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Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
Unbreakable in the near term - but for the last two millennia, China's model has been to have a dynasty with unbreakable control that lasts for a couple of centuries, and then it falls apart and they go into civil war. After about a century of civil war and slaughter, someone pieces together a new dynasty and they have another couple centuries of peace. It's too bad Xi is still relatively young, because there's a fracture point coming when they slug it out to see who will be his successor.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
Unbreakable in the near term - but for the last two millennia, China's model has been to have a dynasty with unbreakable control that lasts for a couple of centuries, and then it falls apart and they go into civil war. After about a century of civil war and slaughter, someone pieces together a new dynasty and they have another couple centuries of peace. It's too bad Xi is still relatively young, because there's a fracture point coming when they slug it out to see who will be his successor.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:49 PM (S6gqv)
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How about it we just set aside one large public building that already houses them - let's call it "Congress".
Congress is just a small part of it. Many "think tanks" in DC have been bought off by one foreign government or another, and employ former senior government officials at large salaries to push the policies of that foreign government.
It is well known, for example, that if you are a "good" American ambassador to Saudi Arabia, that the Saudis will take care of you for the rest of your career.
Congress is just a small part of it. Many "think tanks" in DC have been bought off by one foreign government or another, and employ former senior government officials at large salaries to push the policies of that foreign government.
It is well known, for example, that if you are a "good" American ambassador to Saudi Arabia, that the Saudis will take care of you for the rest of your career.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:50 PM (2tUFv)
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It's nice, Redacted, that you want to spray the deer to prevent fleas and ticks. Do they make Cats Advantage in large volumes like that?
Posted by: Humane Society at July 09, 2023 12:50 PM (T0tUU)
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that's their view, in my wild-ass guess
their stores have armed security now
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:48 PM (geLO
Could be. Boulder is a shithole lefty community, with lovely geography surrounding it.
Maybe they thought the shooting indicated they just weren't lefty enough, and are doubling down on it.
their stores have armed security now
Posted by: DB - niche commenter at July 09, 2023 12:48 PM (geLO
Could be. Boulder is a shithole lefty community, with lovely geography surrounding it.
Maybe they thought the shooting indicated they just weren't lefty enough, and are doubling down on it.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:51 PM (qdGPb)
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"anyone else seen Peter Zeihan talking about the Chinese demographic collapse? I don't always agree with Zeihan's conclusions or predictions, but his research is usually right on point."
yeah, he makes interesting points. But to me he is much too much "here is this one data point, this trend will continue and it means this (point B) will absolutely happen, and that means this (Point C) will cause (Point D) to absolutely happen.
There are always unforeseen interruptions that make such hard fast predictions difficult, at best.
yeah, he makes interesting points. But to me he is much too much "here is this one data point, this trend will continue and it means this (point B) will absolutely happen, and that means this (Point C) will cause (Point D) to absolutely happen.
There are always unforeseen interruptions that make such hard fast predictions difficult, at best.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 09, 2023 12:51 PM (Cus5s)
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Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Until you have a power struggle among the elite.
Until you have a power struggle among the elite.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:51 PM (2tUFv)
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She knows who the pay master is
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:46 PM (xhxe
It is a very weird thing she did. And she announced that the dude was the new vice-premiere before anyone in CCP has said anything.
With a smug look and manner.
I am tempted to say that she acted like this was "their" guy and he would be appointed over Xi's desires. Because our Cabal is dumb and arrogant and oblivious like that.
CHN has a pro-Western Finance faction. They've been getting murked recently but they are still there.
Such a weird trip. She just barged in apparently.
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 12:46 PM (xhxe
It is a very weird thing she did. And she announced that the dude was the new vice-premiere before anyone in CCP has said anything.
With a smug look and manner.
I am tempted to say that she acted like this was "their" guy and he would be appointed over Xi's desires. Because our Cabal is dumb and arrogant and oblivious like that.
CHN has a pro-Western Finance faction. They've been getting murked recently but they are still there.
Such a weird trip. She just barged in apparently.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 12:51 PM (N8FxX)
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Lithium EVs are on the path of the dodo, and Musk knows it.
He's gaslighting the Chinese to maximize his take and to deplete their resources. I'm stocking up on popcorn futures.
He's gaslighting the Chinese to maximize his take and to deplete their resources. I'm stocking up on popcorn futures.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 09, 2023 12:51 PM (KVGVf)
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>> Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
I remember walking around Tiananmen Square with my old customer who was from Hong Kong but went to school in Australia. Took a while to get used to hearing Crocodile Dundees voice coming out of his very Chinese face.
There were surveillance cameras and very unsmiling guards everywhere and I do mean everywhere. If a mouse farted in that large plaza I'm sure they have it on film. They left for Singapore as the walls were closing in, not sure where they ended up. I won't miss never going back to China.
I remember walking around Tiananmen Square with my old customer who was from Hong Kong but went to school in Australia. Took a while to get used to hearing Crocodile Dundees voice coming out of his very Chinese face.
There were surveillance cameras and very unsmiling guards everywhere and I do mean everywhere. If a mouse farted in that large plaza I'm sure they have it on film. They left for Singapore as the walls were closing in, not sure where they ended up. I won't miss never going back to China.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 12:51 PM (ZLI7S)
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"Put not your trust in princes," the psalm says (Psalm 146).
Elon Musk is an admirable man in some aspects, not so much in others. Point is, people are always on the lookout for leaders. This is natural enough given we are, for lack of a better term, tribal animals. A hierarchy is established the instant more than two of us gather in a group. The problem is leaders come with the same assorted baggage and character defects we all carry.
It's said Roman emperor Augustus hired a commoner whose sole job it was to remind him from time to time that he, Great Ceasar, was mortal, too.
Elon Musk is an admirable man in some aspects, not so much in others. Point is, people are always on the lookout for leaders. This is natural enough given we are, for lack of a better term, tribal animals. A hierarchy is established the instant more than two of us gather in a group. The problem is leaders come with the same assorted baggage and character defects we all carry.
It's said Roman emperor Augustus hired a commoner whose sole job it was to remind him from time to time that he, Great Ceasar, was mortal, too.
Posted by: troyriser at July 09, 2023 12:52 PM (7Cx1V)
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China's belt and road initiative is to export Chinese style socialism to otherwise unaware populations. Ideological allies spread across the globe is tight, yo.
Here... the CCP is buying their way in. They're getting pretty close to majority ownership too.
Here... the CCP is buying their way in. They're getting pretty close to majority ownership too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 12:54 PM (Q4IgG)
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It's too bad Xi is still relatively young, because there's a fracture point coming when they slug it out to see who will be his successor.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:49 PM (S6gqv)
As I'm sure you recall, the rather public removal of his main rival last year was an indicator he was solidifying his control. Those who are "in the know," claim that Covid was a very possible tipping point for him, but that he's now survived that.
I don't know if the "in the know" people actually know what they're talking about or not.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:49 PM (S6gqv)
As I'm sure you recall, the rather public removal of his main rival last year was an indicator he was solidifying his control. Those who are "in the know," claim that Covid was a very possible tipping point for him, but that he's now survived that.
I don't know if the "in the know" people actually know what they're talking about or not.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 12:54 PM (qdGPb)
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I think I see just in front and right of that a book? And it looks like there's perhaps a picture of a Der Sturmer Jew caricature with a star of David to its right.
Am I seeing things?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (odVni)
I think that’s Confucius or that blind dude from “KungFu”.
Am I seeing things?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2023 12:28 PM (odVni)
I think that’s Confucius or that blind dude from “KungFu”.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 09, 2023 12:54 PM (R/m4+)
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>>>he (sort of) took their biggest weapon -- Twitter -- away from them
And I used to think of Twitter as a toy. But you're right: it's a weapon.
And I used to think of Twitter as a toy. But you're right: it's a weapon.
Posted by: m at July 09, 2023 12:54 PM (SbC6h)
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It is well known, for example, that if you are a "good" American ambassador to Saudi Arabia, that the Saudis will take care of you for the rest of your career.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:50 PM (2tUFv)
It is ironic that Trump was accused of accepting "emoluments" when not a single journo today even understands what that word means anymore. An Emolument is when a foreign government agrees to pay someone, often a member of the local government, a large recurring some of money, in exchange for their support of that government's interests. Like what is going on here. Under our constitution, it's legal for a private person, illegal for any member of government.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:50 PM (2tUFv)
It is ironic that Trump was accused of accepting "emoluments" when not a single journo today even understands what that word means anymore. An Emolument is when a foreign government agrees to pay someone, often a member of the local government, a large recurring some of money, in exchange for their support of that government's interests. Like what is going on here. Under our constitution, it's legal for a private person, illegal for any member of government.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:57 PM (S6gqv)
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if you can design a country to run on bullshit, why not a car ??
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 12:59 PM (us2H3)
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It is well known, for example, that if you are a "good" American ambassador to Saudi Arabia, that the Saudis will take care of you for the rest of your career.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:50 PM (2tUFv)
Hmmm, it is also known that House of Saud has purchased several former Hollywood starlets, for the purpose of pimping them out to those in their favor. Usually other Saudi "princes" or whatever, but I could easily see this as being something they import, then export right back to American govie and corporate fellas who do them favors.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 09, 2023 12:50 PM (2tUFv)
Hmmm, it is also known that House of Saud has purchased several former Hollywood starlets, for the purpose of pimping them out to those in their favor. Usually other Saudi "princes" or whatever, but I could easily see this as being something they import, then export right back to American govie and corporate fellas who do them favors.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (qdGPb)
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yeah, he makes interesting points. But to me he is much too much "here is this one data point, this trend will continue and it means this (point B) will absolutely happen, and that means this (Point C) will cause (Point D) to absolutely happen.
Peter's Achilles heel is that he doesn't understand or take into his calculations Human Nature.
Peter's Achilles heel is that he doesn't understand or take into his calculations Human Nature.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (p8A+W)
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We had just put a sleeper-hold on CHN by denying them chip tech and Yellen barges in there and acts like a bufoon and berates them about pollution and playing nice economically in a win-win way and pre-announces a western trained Finance guy is going to get the key job?
Typical absurd neo-liberal outrageous behavior.
Typical absurd neo-liberal outrageous behavior.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:02 PM (N8FxX)
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I admire Musk. He is one of the few that is actively involved in the progression of mankind. Name another. I'll wait.
There are a few theories of how/why ancient man had a sudden burst of innovation: space aliens, fallen angels from the Book of Enoch, psychedelics, a black obelisk from 2001...
Elon is stirring the pot.
There are a few theories of how/why ancient man had a sudden burst of innovation: space aliens, fallen angels from the Book of Enoch, psychedelics, a black obelisk from 2001...
Elon is stirring the pot.
Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2023 01:02 PM (nnp+f)
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Hmmm, it is also known that House of Saud has purchased several former Hollywood starlets, for the purpose of pimping them out to those in their favor. Usually other Saudi "princes" or whatever, but I could easily see this as being something they import, then export right back to American govie and corporate fellas who do them favors.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (qdGPb)
Doing the job that now Harvey Weinstein is too discredited to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (qdGPb)
Doing the job that now Harvey Weinstein is too discredited to do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (S6gqv)
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China exported the vector, first to Italy, then world-wide. Chinese retaliation is making tons of fentanyl and having the cartels export it to the US of A.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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FWIW, Fentanyl crisis predates Covid. Basically, a lot of blame on pill mills, etc. and oxycontin. tramadol, and other legal pain killers for what Fentanyl did. Like Meth, it was a rural crisis first before it became mainstream unlike crack which was primarily an urban and suburban problem.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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FWIW, Fentanyl crisis predates Covid. Basically, a lot of blame on pill mills, etc. and oxycontin. tramadol, and other legal pain killers for what Fentanyl did. Like Meth, it was a rural crisis first before it became mainstream unlike crack which was primarily an urban and suburban problem.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (V8NhF)
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Saw an episode of The Five last week where they discussed Elon throttling Twitter to prevent Zuck scraping it for data. Nobody knew what that meant.
I half expected that Greg or the Judge might, but nope!
I half expected that Greg or the Judge might, but nope!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 09, 2023 01:05 PM (OqSlY)
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Thesokorus
Bowing to other sovereigns is so un-American. It is almost like we have surrendered to China, but like a bad teenager, work to anger them.
Bowing to other sovereigns is so un-American. It is almost like we have surrendered to China, but like a bad teenager, work to anger them.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:05 PM (u82oZ)
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One thing in my opinion, Musk isn't a native American, it does seem to matter though also can guess our native Americans who joined the Marxists have no appreciation of our rights.
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 01:05 PM (xhxe8)
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And they're exporting it much more fully and efficiently these days. Taking over the financial hold on third world (and maybe not-so-third world) shithole nations, building infrastructure, and making them financially depending on the CCP for decades to come.
It is no coincidence that the West, by sabotaging cheap, efficient, dependable, dispatchable energy such where the turd world can't have it, they are greatly assisting the CCP's colonization efforts.
Cheap energy means people can flourish since more time can be spent on wealth rather than simple survival. The CCP's sales pitch is that they can create wealth (almost always for the leadership only though)
It is no coincidence that the West, by sabotaging cheap, efficient, dependable, dispatchable energy such where the turd world can't have it, they are greatly assisting the CCP's colonization efforts.
Cheap energy means people can flourish since more time can be spent on wealth rather than simple survival. The CCP's sales pitch is that they can create wealth (almost always for the leadership only though)
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 01:06 PM (p8A+W)
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Peter's Achilles heel is that he doesn't understand or take into his calculations Human Nature.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (p8A+W)
A recurring theme in Calvin and Hobbes is how Calvin's Brilliant Plans were always undone by his bungling assistant. (or so he claimed) Pinky and the Brain also.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (p8A+W)
A recurring theme in Calvin and Hobbes is how Calvin's Brilliant Plans were always undone by his bungling assistant. (or so he claimed) Pinky and the Brain also.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:06 PM (S6gqv)
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144 We had just put a sleeper-hold on CHN by denying them chip tech and Yellen barges in there and acts like a bufoon and berates them about pollution and playing nice economically in a win-win way and pre-announces a western trained Finance guy is going to get the key job?
Typical absurd neo-liberal outrageous behavior.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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It is an error to consider that our rulers are a united group. Mainly, they were united only in getting rid of Trump. You have the Nat Sec faction, the Social Justice type, the grifter oligarch type, big finance faction, and the big tech factions. The Nat Sec types believe China is a threat, big finance and tech do not. Social Justice and grifter focus is primarily on US opportunities and will trade off their support depending on being paid.
Typical absurd neo-liberal outrageous behavior.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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It is an error to consider that our rulers are a united group. Mainly, they were united only in getting rid of Trump. You have the Nat Sec faction, the Social Justice type, the grifter oligarch type, big finance faction, and the big tech factions. The Nat Sec types believe China is a threat, big finance and tech do not. Social Justice and grifter focus is primarily on US opportunities and will trade off their support depending on being paid.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:06 PM (V8NhF)
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https://tinyurl.com/4ct8yd3v
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Kroger's is essentially saying you guys (it's customers) can pay for the shoplifters.
Find yourself another grocer.
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Kroger's is essentially saying you guys (it's customers) can pay for the shoplifters.
Find yourself another grocer.
Posted by: From about that Time at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (4780s)
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whig
Appreciate that.
I aver the amount of fentanyl has greatly increased since Covid. Now the cartels are manufacturing it, with precursor chemicals from China.
The real answer is to have a strong faith and social network, with two parents. The Amish are doing pretty good.
Appreciate that.
I aver the amount of fentanyl has greatly increased since Covid. Now the cartels are manufacturing it, with precursor chemicals from China.
The real answer is to have a strong faith and social network, with two parents. The Amish are doing pretty good.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (u82oZ)
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Musk is chaotic good, I think.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (aD39U)
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Exactly. And with the addition of technology, I think that their hold on the people is probably unbreakable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
That is precisely my fear here, that with this all seeing Sauron's eye of technology we will enter a new Dark Ages that will make the original DA pale in comparison. At least in the original version you could escape into Sherwood Forest to get away from the Sheriff's men. Where is there to escape to today?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 12:45 PM (PHmov)
That is precisely my fear here, that with this all seeing Sauron's eye of technology we will enter a new Dark Ages that will make the original DA pale in comparison. At least in the original version you could escape into Sherwood Forest to get away from the Sheriff's men. Where is there to escape to today?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
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Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:01 PM (qdGPb)
Doing the job that now Harvey Weinstein is too discredited to do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (S6gqv)
I guess ol' Harv was guilty of the mistake a lot of pimps and dealers are: Too much sampling of the product himself.
Doing the job that now Harvey Weinstein is too discredited to do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (S6gqv)
I guess ol' Harv was guilty of the mistake a lot of pimps and dealers are: Too much sampling of the product himself.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (qdGPb)
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Operation Chokepoint in the US, Canada denying bank accounts of troublesome truckers, and now bank accounts closed/denied in the UK of certain politicians. Hard to ignore the direction of travel.
Posted by: TRex at July 09, 2023 01:08 PM (IQ6Gq)
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FWIW, Fentanyl crisis predates Covid. Basically, a lot of blame on pill mills, etc. and oxycontin. tramadol, and other legal pain killers for what Fentanyl did. Like Meth, it was a rural crisis first before it became mainstream unlike crack which was primarily an urban and suburban problem.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (V8NhF)
I believe that a whole lot of very official people here in the US - including some complete Police Dept's - are making a whole lot of money from facilitating the fentanyl trade. That would be why there's so little pushback against it.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (V8NhF)
I believe that a whole lot of very official people here in the US - including some complete Police Dept's - are making a whole lot of money from facilitating the fentanyl trade. That would be why there's so little pushback against it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:08 PM (S6gqv)
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whig
Excellent point about the faction that exist. By their own logic, there can be only one in charge. The infighting has not started in earnest.
Excellent point about the faction that exist. By their own logic, there can be only one in charge. The infighting has not started in earnest.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (u82oZ)
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Bowing to other sovereigns is so un-American. It is almost like we have surrendered to China, but like a bad teenager, work to anger them.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:05 PM (u82oZ)
Absolutely bizarre behavior.
Almost like she was stressing that this guy was the real top dawg in China.
And the pre-announce was saying this guy right here I came to meet is OUR guy.
It's something the weird manipulative gloating cringing neo-libs would do.
China lashed out with counter sanctions the day before she arrived.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:05 PM (u82oZ)
Absolutely bizarre behavior.
Almost like she was stressing that this guy was the real top dawg in China.
And the pre-announce was saying this guy right here I came to meet is OUR guy.
It's something the weird manipulative gloating cringing neo-libs would do.
China lashed out with counter sanctions the day before she arrived.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (N8FxX)
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How do the Chinese feel about rock and roll music?
Posted by: fd at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (iayUP)
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Chinese girls are hawt
Posted by: Bunter Hiden at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (WGUfL)
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Kill a sparrow save some grain a shitload of locusts!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at July 09, 2023 01:11 PM (Vwz3I)
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FWIW, Fentanyl crisis predates Covid. Basically, a lot of blame on pill mills, etc. and oxycontin. tramadol, and other legal pain killers for what Fentanyl did. Like Meth, it was a rural crisis first before it became mainstream unlike crack which was primarily an urban and suburban problem.
Posted by: whig
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Accurate and succinct. From the inside or outside?
Posted by: whig
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Accurate and succinct. From the inside or outside?
Posted by: From about that Time at July 09, 2023 01:12 PM (4780s)
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Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:06 PM
I don't think that. That's why I used neo-liberal. She's Global Finance Capital faction.
I don't think that. That's why I used neo-liberal. She's Global Finance Capital faction.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:12 PM (N8FxX)
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130 "anyone else seen Peter Zeihan talking about the Chinese demographic collapse? I don't always agree with Zeihan's conclusions or predictions, but his research is usually right on point."
yeah, he makes interesting points. But to me he is much too much "here is this one data point, this trend will continue and it means this (point B) will absolutely happen, and that means this (Point C) will cause (Point D) to absolutely happen.
There are always unforeseen interruptions that make such hard fast predictions difficult, at best.
Posted by: illiniwek
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Demographic collapse is accelerating in countries outside of Africa. Social trends are actually easier to predict and have more stickiness than financial or other trends. Simply put, in a society where the average worker's salary is going down plus more educated women exist, the birth rate will continue to decline to below the replacement rate.
The question is whether this projected decline in world population will result in something like the post Black Death depopulation of Europe. Arguably, it broke the stasis of medieval society and widespread serfdom.
yeah, he makes interesting points. But to me he is much too much "here is this one data point, this trend will continue and it means this (point B) will absolutely happen, and that means this (Point C) will cause (Point D) to absolutely happen.
There are always unforeseen interruptions that make such hard fast predictions difficult, at best.
Posted by: illiniwek
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Demographic collapse is accelerating in countries outside of Africa. Social trends are actually easier to predict and have more stickiness than financial or other trends. Simply put, in a society where the average worker's salary is going down plus more educated women exist, the birth rate will continue to decline to below the replacement rate.
The question is whether this projected decline in world population will result in something like the post Black Death depopulation of Europe. Arguably, it broke the stasis of medieval society and widespread serfdom.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:13 PM (V8NhF)
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FWIW, Fentanyl crisis predates Covid. Basically, a lot of blame on pill mills, etc. and oxycontin. tramadol, and other legal pain killers for what Fentanyl did. Like Meth, it was a rural crisis first before it became mainstream unlike crack which was primarily an urban and suburban problem.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (V8NhF)
I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:03 PM (V8NhF)
I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:13 PM (dTkw/)
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2023 01:13 PM (T4tVD)
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2023 01:14 PM (T4tVD)
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@151
>>It is no coincidence that the West, by sabotaging cheap, efficient, dependable, dispatchable energy such where the turd world can't have it, they are greatly assisting the CCP's colonization efforts.
The worlds entire economic and social systems are predicated on unending growth, this unending growth needs unending energy to drive and sustain but apparently the unending growth is supposed to happen now with markedly less energy.
There should be a Venn diagram for this.
>>It is no coincidence that the West, by sabotaging cheap, efficient, dependable, dispatchable energy such where the turd world can't have it, they are greatly assisting the CCP's colonization efforts.
The worlds entire economic and social systems are predicated on unending growth, this unending growth needs unending energy to drive and sustain but apparently the unending growth is supposed to happen now with markedly less energy.
There should be a Venn diagram for this.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 09, 2023 01:15 PM (up/3i)
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I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:13 PM (dTkw/)
The Fentanyl crisis is not mechanically possible without US gov compliance at the highest lvls.
Why I am not big on criticising other regimes.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:13 PM (dTkw/)
The Fentanyl crisis is not mechanically possible without US gov compliance at the highest lvls.
Why I am not big on criticising other regimes.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:15 PM (N8FxX)
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Where is there to escape to today?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
Illinois
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
Illinois
Posted by: MAC V SOG at July 09, 2023 01:15 PM (P4Pk9)
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Accurate and succinct. From the inside or outside?
Posted by: From about that Time
Outside, from a legal and criminal justice perspective. Roughly 90 percent of the OD's even during 2016 before Trump were from illegal imported drugs including fentanyl and meth precursors rather than abuse of prescription medication. FedGov focused on the latter because money could be made suing those pharmaceutical companies and it excused FedGov for not sealing the borders. Cartels in Mexico have a long standing relationship with the chemical companies in China due first to chemicals to make Meth and then later used for Fentanyl imports.
Cartels are always looking like a profit company to lessen shipping costs and maximize profits. Fentanyl does the trick.
Posted by: From about that Time
Outside, from a legal and criminal justice perspective. Roughly 90 percent of the OD's even during 2016 before Trump were from illegal imported drugs including fentanyl and meth precursors rather than abuse of prescription medication. FedGov focused on the latter because money could be made suing those pharmaceutical companies and it excused FedGov for not sealing the borders. Cartels in Mexico have a long standing relationship with the chemical companies in China due first to chemicals to make Meth and then later used for Fentanyl imports.
Cartels are always looking like a profit company to lessen shipping costs and maximize profits. Fentanyl does the trick.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:16 PM (V8NhF)
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How do the Chinese feel about rock and roll music?
Posted by: fd at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (iayUP)
Don't know, but it's pretty apparent they're not all that fond of Woke Hollywood movies.
Posted by: fd at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (iayUP)
Don't know, but it's pretty apparent they're not all that fond of Woke Hollywood movies.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:17 PM (dTkw/)
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It's too bad Xi is still relatively young, because there's a fracture point coming when they slug it out to see who will be his successor.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:49 PM (S6gqv)
Xi has followed the Stalin template, removing every possible contender for power and cowing every subordinate. He has no one to tell him when he is wrong and this makes him dangerous to the world.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 12:49 PM (S6gqv)
Xi has followed the Stalin template, removing every possible contender for power and cowing every subordinate. He has no one to tell him when he is wrong and this makes him dangerous to the world.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:17 PM (aD39U)
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Where is there to escape to today?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
A few nations in South America may avoid the worst but they have little industrial infrastructure or trained engineers.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
A few nations in South America may avoid the worst but they have little industrial infrastructure or trained engineers.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:17 PM (N8FxX)
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>>It is no coincidence that the West, by sabotaging cheap, efficient, dependable, dispatchable energy such where the turd world can't have it, they are greatly assisting the CCP's colonization efforts.
In 2016 while Joe was still the VP Hunter helped the Chinese buy a cobalt mine in Congo that was owned by Freeport-McMoran. Need cobalt to make all those car batteries.
Treason is not too strong a word.
In 2016 while Joe was still the VP Hunter helped the Chinese buy a cobalt mine in Congo that was owned by Freeport-McMoran. Need cobalt to make all those car batteries.
Treason is not too strong a word.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 01:17 PM (ZLI7S)
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I would like to apologize if I have offended you for many years of heaping derision on the French language, people, culture, politics, and history.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2023 12:40 PM (RIvkX)
Not accepted because it isn't necessary.
One of my favorite sports is criticizing France! I have an emotional connection, but it is tempered by rational observations of the incredible sh*t-show that it has become.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2023 12:40 PM (RIvkX)
Not accepted because it isn't necessary.
One of my favorite sports is criticizing France! I have an emotional connection, but it is tempered by rational observations of the incredible sh*t-show that it has become.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2023 01:18 PM (PHmov)
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Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:13 PM (dTkw/)
The Fentanyl crisis is not mechanically possible without US gov compliance at the highest lvls.
Why I am not big on criticising other regimes.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:15 PM (N8FxX)
Most obvious aspect of that is open door policy/practice at the border.
The Fentanyl crisis is not mechanically possible without US gov compliance at the highest lvls.
Why I am not big on criticising other regimes.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:15 PM (N8FxX)
Most obvious aspect of that is open door policy/practice at the border.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:19 PM (dTkw/)
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A few nations in South America may avoid the worst but they have little industrial infrastructure or trained engineers.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:17 PM (N8FxX)
Bolivia! Let's go to Bolivia, I hear it's a great place!
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:17 PM (N8FxX)
Bolivia! Let's go to Bolivia, I hear it's a great place!
Posted by: Butch and Sundance at July 09, 2023 01:19 PM (S6gqv)
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Saw a YouTube short guy says the Oceanview One-Way submersible only took 1 sec to implement virtually killing its passengers
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 01:19 PM (xhxe8)
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I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The murder of DEA agent Camarena over a decade ago was accompanied by CIA agents viewing his torture. My best guess is that the CIA justifies getting into bed with cartels and the like in return for information and perhaps even wetworks type activities that the Agency does not want attributed to them.
Humint activities and criminals go together historically as criminals usually have information and resources denied to official agencies.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The murder of DEA agent Camarena over a decade ago was accompanied by CIA agents viewing his torture. My best guess is that the CIA justifies getting into bed with cartels and the like in return for information and perhaps even wetworks type activities that the Agency does not want attributed to them.
Humint activities and criminals go together historically as criminals usually have information and resources denied to official agencies.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (V8NhF)
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"anyone else seen Peter Zeihan talking about the Chinese demographic collapse? I don't always agree with Zeihan's conclusions or predictions, but his research is usually right on point."
He lost me when he said that Joe Biden is the most populist president in our lifetime and that his judgement can be trusted to protect the working people of America.
He lost me when he said that Joe Biden is the most populist president in our lifetime and that his judgement can be trusted to protect the working people of America.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
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One of my customers has a employee who is Chinese. He did some college there. One day he told me a bunch of stuff he couldn't do in China and that the USA was much better. Just trivial things, that we wouldn't think twice about saying or doing.
Posted by: fd at July 09, 2023 01:21 PM (iayUP)
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He lost me when he said that Joe Biden is the most populist president in our lifetime and that his judgement can be trusted to protect the working people of America.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
He's a fool. He has a ponytail. He's a silly preposterous man.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
He's a fool. He has a ponytail. He's a silly preposterous man.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:21 PM (N8FxX)
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But, he's not wrong about China's imminent collapse.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:22 PM (aD39U)
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Cartels are always looking like a profit company to lessen shipping costs and maximize profits. Fentanyl does the trick.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:16 PM (V8NhF)
Worth noting, a small percentage of fentanyl users these days started out from misusing prescription opiates. A much much much higher percentage were those who were heroin users for a long time, who found it next to impossible to find heroin on the streets.
Nowadays though, of course many fent users started with fentanyl as their opiate of choice, in part because it's so cheap, and in part because they don't have any prior experience with the other options.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:16 PM (V8NhF)
Worth noting, a small percentage of fentanyl users these days started out from misusing prescription opiates. A much much much higher percentage were those who were heroin users for a long time, who found it next to impossible to find heroin on the streets.
Nowadays though, of course many fent users started with fentanyl as their opiate of choice, in part because it's so cheap, and in part because they don't have any prior experience with the other options.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:22 PM (dTkw/)
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He lost me when he said that Joe Biden is the most populist president in our lifetime and that his judgement can be trusted to protect the working people of America.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
That's the kind of statement that is so outrageously, boneheadedly wrong that I will never listen or give even the slightest credence to anything the speaker ever says again, now or in the future.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
That's the kind of statement that is so outrageously, boneheadedly wrong that I will never listen or give even the slightest credence to anything the speaker ever says again, now or in the future.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:23 PM (S6gqv)
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Excellent point about the faction that exist. By their own logic, there can be only one in charge. The infighting has not started in earnest.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Corrupt pseudo aristocracies lack tradition to keep them in place and the appetites of the pseudo aristos simply become voracious as money is the primary lubricant to compromise among factions about regime activities. When the credit of the US runs out is when the infighting will begin in earnest.
Essentially, if you apply knowledge about how the Mafia operated as a federation of crime families, you can apply that to understanding how our federal government works.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Corrupt pseudo aristocracies lack tradition to keep them in place and the appetites of the pseudo aristos simply become voracious as money is the primary lubricant to compromise among factions about regime activities. When the credit of the US runs out is when the infighting will begin in earnest.
Essentially, if you apply knowledge about how the Mafia operated as a federation of crime families, you can apply that to understanding how our federal government works.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:24 PM (V8NhF)
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That's the kind of statement that is so outrageously, boneheadedly wrong that I will never listen or give even the slightest credence to anything the speaker ever says again, now or in the future.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:23 PM (S6gqv)
He claims that he is paid to give lectures to the CIA and other IC agencies so he might just be staying on their good side.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 09, 2023 01:23 PM (S6gqv)
He claims that he is paid to give lectures to the CIA and other IC agencies so he might just be staying on their good side.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (aD39U)
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I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: BurtTC
Maxine Waters was right?
I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: BurtTC
Maxine Waters was right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (63Dwl)
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Essentially, if you apply knowledge about how the Mafia operated as a federation of crime families, you can apply that to understanding how our federal government works.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:24 PM (V8NhF)
100% agree.
Why the book Supermob is outrageously expensive.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:24 PM (V8NhF)
100% agree.
Why the book Supermob is outrageously expensive.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (N8FxX)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (u82oZ)
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You have to wonder if Klaus Schwab, Larry Fink, and Nazi Soros and his son make everyone bow to them behind closed doors. Perhaps Yellen's bowing last week is simply a habit when meeting Her Betters.
Posted by: Gref at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (AMIL/)
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174 Where is there to escape to today?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
that is the problem
my wife wants to stay put in the Berkshires
my sis, who just sold her practice, wants me to move back to Dallas
she even has a house picked out for me
and considering her taste, that is one scary thought
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:07 PM (yklXZ)
that is the problem
my wife wants to stay put in the Berkshires
my sis, who just sold her practice, wants me to move back to Dallas
she even has a house picked out for me
and considering her taste, that is one scary thought
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (us2H3)
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The murder of DEA agent Camarena over a decade ago was accompanied by CIA agents viewing his torture. My best guess is that the CIA justifies getting into bed with cartels and the like in return for information and perhaps even wetworks type activities that the Agency does not want attributed to them.
Humint activities and criminals go together historically as criminals usually have information and resources denied to official agencies.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (V8NhF)
Yeah, the BEST possible interpretation of CIA being in bed with cartels and corrupt foreign revolutionaries and governments, is that the foreigners are able to get things done they can't... with some sort of American interest being served by whatever they're doing.
Worst interpretation is, the CIA is instrumental, it creates and causes international chaos and destruction, for their own nefarious purposes, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the interests of the American people.
I think it's closer to the latter.
Humint activities and criminals go together historically as criminals usually have information and resources denied to official agencies.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (V8NhF)
Yeah, the BEST possible interpretation of CIA being in bed with cartels and corrupt foreign revolutionaries and governments, is that the foreigners are able to get things done they can't... with some sort of American interest being served by whatever they're doing.
Worst interpretation is, the CIA is instrumental, it creates and causes international chaos and destruction, for their own nefarious purposes, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the interests of the American people.
I think it's closer to the latter.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (dTkw/)
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He claims that he is paid to give lectures to the CIA and other IC agencies so he might just be staying on their good side.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (aD39U)
In other words a shill?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (aD39U)
In other words a shill?
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (N8FxX)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (u82oZ)
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While you are writing off Musk, remember that he is strongly against child trafficking. Do not remember his exact stance but not in favor of abortion either.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (ouTlx)
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Worth noting, a small percentage of fentanyl users these days started out from misusing prescription opiates. A much much much higher percentage were those who were heroin users for a long time, who found it next to impossible to find heroin on the streets.
Nowadays though, of course many fent users started with fentanyl as their opiate of choice, in part because it's so cheap, and in part because they don't have any prior experience with the other options.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Synthetic drugs are the future as it is easier in most cases to synthesize drugs instead of engaging agriculture such as marijuana, cocaine, etc. production. Plus, easier to simply alter the drugs for desired effects to avoid legal sanctions until you get a user base.
Outland the movie was a interesting look at the intersection of synthetic drugs and corporate interests using the old High Noon plot line.
Nowadays though, of course many fent users started with fentanyl as their opiate of choice, in part because it's so cheap, and in part because they don't have any prior experience with the other options.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Synthetic drugs are the future as it is easier in most cases to synthesize drugs instead of engaging agriculture such as marijuana, cocaine, etc. production. Plus, easier to simply alter the drugs for desired effects to avoid legal sanctions until you get a user base.
Outland the movie was a interesting look at the intersection of synthetic drugs and corporate interests using the old High Noon plot line.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
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He claims that he is paid to give lectures to the CIA and other IC agencies so he might just be staying on their good side.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (aD39U)
In other words a shill?
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (N8FxX)
It is hard to believe that any intelligent person could believe those things about Joe Biden.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (aD39U)
In other words a shill?
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:26 PM (N8FxX)
It is hard to believe that any intelligent person could believe those things about Joe Biden.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (aD39U)
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I'm not saying I fully buy it, but I'm at least conspiratorially curious and open to the possibility the CIA is an active player in drug manufacturing and distribution to the poors and not-so-poors in this country.
Posted by: BurtTC
Maxine Waters was right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (63Dwl)
Blind squirrels and stopped clocks and all that...
Posted by: BurtTC
Maxine Waters was right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 09, 2023 01:25 PM (63Dwl)
Blind squirrels and stopped clocks and all that...
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (dTkw/)
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eh, they're good at that sort of thing; china has been subduing rebellious populations for literally millennia ... didja love the pix of the chair of the federal reserve bowing ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (dwh5k)
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Outland the movie was a interesting look at the intersection of synthetic drugs and corporate interests using the old High Noon plot line.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
Captagon in UKR.
Makes you walk over minefields apparently.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
Captagon in UKR.
Makes you walk over minefields apparently.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:29 PM (N8FxX)
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eh, they're good at that sort of thing; china has been subduing rebellious populations for literally millennia ... didja love the pix of the chair of the federal reserve bowing ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (dwh5k)
Be happy she wasn't kowtowing.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (dwh5k)
Be happy she wasn't kowtowing.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:29 PM (aD39U)
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Outland the movie was a interesting look at the intersection of synthetic drugs and corporate interests using the old High Noon plot line.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
plus it had Frankenstein's monster in it
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
plus it had Frankenstein's monster in it
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:29 PM (us2H3)
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Yeah, the BEST possible interpretation of CIA being in bed with cartels and corrupt foreign revolutionaries and governments, is that the foreigners are able to get things done they can't... with some sort of American interest being served by whatever they're doing.
Worst interpretation is, the CIA is instrumental, it creates and causes international chaos and destruction, for their own nefarious purposes, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the interests of the American people.
I think it's closer to the latter.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The CIA is the underhanded creature of the State Department. Neither the State Department nor the CIA have considered American interests in a long time unless it meets with big world finance and media approval.
Worst interpretation is, the CIA is instrumental, it creates and causes international chaos and destruction, for their own nefarious purposes, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the interests of the American people.
I think it's closer to the latter.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The CIA is the underhanded creature of the State Department. Neither the State Department nor the CIA have considered American interests in a long time unless it meets with big world finance and media approval.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:30 PM (V8NhF)
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>>Worst interpretation is, the CIA is instrumental, it creates and causes international chaos and destruction, for their own nefarious purposes, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the interests of the American people.
>>I think it's closer to the latter.
A book I have been meaning to pick up is The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA and the Rise of America's Secret Government.
>>I think it's closer to the latter.
A book I have been meaning to pick up is The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA and the Rise of America's Secret Government.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 01:30 PM (ZLI7S)
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...Plus, easier to simply alter the drugs for desired effects to avoid legal sanctions until you get a user base.
...
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
But enough about MLB and steroids.
...
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:27 PM (V8NhF)
But enough about MLB and steroids.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:30 PM (dTkw/)
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I don't know what this means exactly but it sounds like it could be bad for some people.
Apple will permanently delete photos in July — how to keep yours safe
https://bityl.co/JkQK
Apple will permanently delete photos in July — how to keep yours safe
https://bityl.co/JkQK
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:31 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:31 PM (u82oZ)
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eh, they're good at that sort of thing; china has been subduing rebellious populations for literally millennia ... didja love the pix of the chair of the federal reserve bowing ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (dwh5k)
Everybody bows. One of the more conspiratorial... eh, conspiracies, is that the sex nonsense so many of our "betters" are up to is a way to seal their commitments to each other.
If GHW Bush is blowing Paul Wolfowitz at Bohemian Grove, or Bill Clinton and John Roberts are tag teaming underaged girls on Epstein Island, they're all mutually assured the other will keep quiet.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at July 09, 2023 01:28 PM (dwh5k)
Everybody bows. One of the more conspiratorial... eh, conspiracies, is that the sex nonsense so many of our "betters" are up to is a way to seal their commitments to each other.
If GHW Bush is blowing Paul Wolfowitz at Bohemian Grove, or Bill Clinton and John Roberts are tag teaming underaged girls on Epstein Island, they're all mutually assured the other will keep quiet.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (dTkw/)
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But enough about MLB and steroids.
Posted by: BurtTC
Heh.
213 Thanks, everyone.
Lots to think about.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Thanks to you reminding us every time to be cheerful warriors as leftists hate that others might be happy.
Posted by: BurtTC
Heh.
213 Thanks, everyone.
Lots to think about.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Thanks to you reminding us every time to be cheerful warriors as leftists hate that others might be happy.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (V8NhF)
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213 Thanks, everyone.
Lots to think about.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:31 PM (u82oZ)
you're welcome
taking an unearned credit is kinda my thing
Lots to think about.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at July 09, 2023 01:31 PM (u82oZ)
you're welcome
taking an unearned credit is kinda my thing
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (us2H3)
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I don't know what this means exactly but it sounds like it could be bad for some people.
Apple will permanently delete photos in July — how to keep yours safe
https://bityl.co/JkQK
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:31 PM (a
They've been charging me .99 a month for last 5 years to save my photos.
Apple will permanently delete photos in July — how to keep yours safe
https://bityl.co/JkQK
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:31 PM (a
They've been charging me .99 a month for last 5 years to save my photos.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (FO8S3)
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He lost me when he said that Joe Biden is the most populist president in our lifetime and that his judgement can be trusted to protect the working people of America.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
Who said that?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
Who said that?
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (aCNZ6)
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'While you are writing off Musk"
It's hard the find the right amount of skepticism about Musk. He is definitely on our side but only to the extent that he thinks our free speech shouldn't be shut down.
I think the leftist bastard machine will move Musk our direction by pissing him off but he isn't there now.
'While you are writing off Musk"
It's hard the find the right amount of skepticism about Musk. He is definitely on our side but only to the extent that he thinks our free speech shouldn't be shut down.
I think the leftist bastard machine will move Musk our direction by pissing him off but he isn't there now.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:35 PM (roH4R)
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He lost me when he said that Joe Biden is the most populist president in our lifetime and that his judgement can be trusted to protect the working people of America.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
Who said that?
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (aCNZ6)
Peter Zeihan
https://ytube.io/3gYy
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:20 PM (aD39U)
Who said that?
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (aCNZ6)
Peter Zeihan
https://ytube.io/3gYy
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:36 PM (aD39U)
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Apple will permanently delete photos in July — how to keep yours safe
https://bityl.co/JkQK
they will play hell deleting my pics
https://bityl.co/JkQK
they will play hell deleting my pics
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:36 PM (us2H3)
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"Who said that?
Posted by: That Northernlurker"
George Bush? No..Mitt Romney! Naw uhh, Mitch McConnell!
Posted by: That Northernlurker"
George Bush? No..Mitt Romney! Naw uhh, Mitch McConnell!
Posted by: fd at July 09, 2023 01:36 PM (iayUP)
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Can I get another guess?
Posted by: fd at July 09, 2023 01:37 PM (iayUP)
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If GHW Bush is blowing Paul Wolfowitz at Bohemian Grove, or Bill Clinton and John Roberts are tag teaming underaged girls on Epstein Island, they're all mutually assured the other will keep quiet.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (dTkw/)
Yeah. I think few make the obv leap that blackmail works best when it is voluntary. It's a really efficient self-enforcing system run like that.
Weimar was probabaly the center of a massive voluntary blackmail generating system.
Using involuntary blackmail as leverage is a huge pita.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:34 PM (dTkw/)
Yeah. I think few make the obv leap that blackmail works best when it is voluntary. It's a really efficient self-enforcing system run like that.
Weimar was probabaly the center of a massive voluntary blackmail generating system.
Using involuntary blackmail as leverage is a huge pita.
Posted by: Thesokorus at July 09, 2023 01:37 PM (N8FxX)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:37 PM (roH4R)
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2023 01:38 PM (T4tVD)
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THIRD BASE!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:38 PM (aD39U)
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'plus it had Frankenstein's monster in it'
Boris Karloff?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:37 PM (roH4R)
GISYF
'plus it had Frankenstein's monster in it'
Boris Karloff?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:37 PM (roH4R)
GISYF
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:38 PM (us2H3)
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227 THIRD BASE!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:38 PM (aD39U)
an acceptable position on the first date
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 09, 2023 01:38 PM (aD39U)
an acceptable position on the first date
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:39 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:40 PM (us2H3)
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Karloff? KARLOFF? That Limey c**ks**ker doesn't deserve to smell my s**t!!!
Posted by: Bela Lugosi at July 09, 2023 01:41 PM (aUcN1)
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'it is also known that House of Saud has purchased several former Hollywood starlets, for the purpose of pimping them out to those in their favor. '
They did? Any examples?
'it is also known that House of Saud has purchased several former Hollywood starlets, for the purpose of pimping them out to those in their favor. '
They did? Any examples?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (roH4R)
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Outland is a great movie. I had forgotten all about it. One of my favorite lines is when the Marshall/Chief (Sean Connery) is asked about support from his men as the assassins are on their way to murder him. He answers "My men? My men are shit".
Makes me think of the way I feel about our Republican leadership. We're on our own, just like Connery was.
Makes me think of the way I feel about our Republican leadership. We're on our own, just like Connery was.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (yklXZ)
234
Fentanyl crisis... probably precipitated by big Narcan.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (Q4IgG)
235
Is it too late for me to take out a student loan and not hafta pay it back ?
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (T4tVD)
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Using involuntary blackmail as leverage is a huge pita.
Posted by: Thesokorus
Not a huge issue on involuntary blackmail if a sovereign country's bureaucrats do it. Intel agencies do it routinely as does the FBI etc and usually it involves the legal system, gaslighting or censoring in the media, and portrayal of any defector as crazy etc.
In many cases, the criminal process becomes the punishment (see Gen. Flynn for example).
Posted by: Thesokorus
Not a huge issue on involuntary blackmail if a sovereign country's bureaucrats do it. Intel agencies do it routinely as does the FBI etc and usually it involves the legal system, gaslighting or censoring in the media, and portrayal of any defector as crazy etc.
In many cases, the criminal process becomes the punishment (see Gen. Flynn for example).
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (V8NhF)
237
I thought "populist"was Ungood now....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 01:44 PM (9UlRk)
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Makes me think of the way I feel about our Republican leadership. We're on our own, just like Connery was.
Posted by: Chairborne!
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More to say we are unorganized but dominant in numbers to our oppressors. Our problem is like any other country where the majority wants a change--we have a well documented problem with fake leaders and fake movements.
Posted by: Chairborne!
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More to say we are unorganized but dominant in numbers to our oppressors. Our problem is like any other country where the majority wants a change--we have a well documented problem with fake leaders and fake movements.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:45 PM (V8NhF)
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Peter Boyle, the monster, played sheppard in Outland
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:46 PM (us2H3)
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235 Is it too late for me to take out a student loan and not hafta pay it back ?
Posted by: JT
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Yep. Best figure out a way to get some of that sweet New Green Deal money sloshing around.
Posted by: JT
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Yep. Best figure out a way to get some of that sweet New Green Deal money sloshing around.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:46 PM (V8NhF)
241
Zeihan said Obama was our worst president and that Biden was about the same as W.
Posted by: Regular joe at July 09, 2023 01:46 PM (nnp+f)
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235 Is it too late for me to take out a student loan and not hafta pay it back ?
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (T4tVD)
you are the wrong species
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (T4tVD)
you are the wrong species
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:46 PM (us2H3)
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164 Chinese girls are hawt
Posted by: Bunter Hiden at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (WGUfL)
From a personal perspective, that's quite true and they age much better than American women and are generally slender.
Posted by: Bunter Hiden at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (WGUfL)
From a personal perspective, that's quite true and they age much better than American women and are generally slender.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 09, 2023 01:47 PM (TGPs7)
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Depends on what you mean by worst president.... worst for the development of the nation's history as a whole, or worst at discharging the duties of the office of president specifically?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2023 01:47 PM (9UlRk)
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234 Fentanyl crisis... probably precipitated by big Narcan.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
Heh. Narcan though is being sidelined by the newest craze--adding horse tranquilizers aka Tranq to the toxic fentanyl drug cocktails. Narcan does not work on that combo.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
Heh. Narcan though is being sidelined by the newest craze--adding horse tranquilizers aka Tranq to the toxic fentanyl drug cocktails. Narcan does not work on that combo.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:48 PM (V8NhF)
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243 164 Chinese girls are hawt
Posted by: Bunter Hiden at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (WGUfL)
Jewish girls are the best
they love you wrong time
Posted by: Bunter Hiden at July 09, 2023 01:09 PM (WGUfL)
Jewish girls are the best
they love you wrong time
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:49 PM (us2H3)
247
Mars has lithium. Just saying.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 01:50 PM (FO8S3)
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Heh. Narcan though is being sidelined by the newest craze--adding horse tranquilizers aka Tranq to the toxic fentanyl drug cocktails. Narcan does not work on that combo.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:48 PM (V8NhF)
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They should call this cocktail the Darwin.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:48 PM (V8NhF)
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They should call this cocktail the Darwin.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 01:50 PM (u73oe)
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>>Not a huge issue on involuntary blackmail if a sovereign country's bureaucrats do it. Intel agencies do it routinely as does the FBI etc and usually it involves the legal system, gaslighting or censoring in the media, and portrayal of any defector as crazy etc.
I would love to know the deal the Biden crime family has with our intel community. They could not have done half the things they did and are likely still doing without the cooperation of the intel community.
I would love to know the deal the Biden crime family has with our intel community. They could not have done half the things they did and are likely still doing without the cooperation of the intel community.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 01:50 PM (ZLI7S)
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'it is also known that House of Saud has purchased several former Hollywood starlets, for the purpose of pimping them out to those in their favor. '
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They did? Any examples?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (roH4R)
The story came out after Brittany Murphy died. Apparently not just her, but many others were well paid in that role. I've not heard other names, just that it was "common knowledge" in certain circles.
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They did? Any examples?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 09, 2023 01:42 PM (roH4R)
The story came out after Brittany Murphy died. Apparently not just her, but many others were well paid in that role. I've not heard other names, just that it was "common knowledge" in certain circles.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 09, 2023 01:50 PM (hPO9M)
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235 Is it too late for me to take out a student loan and not hafta pay it back ?
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2
Depends. What race and pronoun are you?
Posted by: JT at July 09, 2
Depends. What race and pronoun are you?
Posted by: Montec at July 09, 2023 01:51 PM (qv+56)
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"From what I understand about the Red Chinese, they are basically just a mafia type outfit now. "
They learned from the best!
They learned from the best!
Posted by: The DNC at July 09, 2023 01:51 PM (MeG8a)
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Is this any different than American corporations pledging to support ESG in order to get a lower interest rate on loans from Blackrock?
Posted by: Montec at July 09, 2023 01:53 PM (qv+56)
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I would love to know the deal the Biden crime family has with our intel community. They could not have done half the things they did and are likely still doing without the cooperation of the intel community.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I think it is more political compatibility plus that Biden as a token figurehead president lets the nat sec faction intel agencies run amok such as Ukraine.
With Biden, they also have a ripcord threat if he doesn't do what they want.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I think it is more political compatibility plus that Biden as a token figurehead president lets the nat sec faction intel agencies run amok such as Ukraine.
With Biden, they also have a ripcord threat if he doesn't do what they want.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:53 PM (V8NhF)
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Depends. What race and pronoun are you?
Posted by: Montec at July 09, 2023 01:51 PM (qv+56)
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Ok, I’m changing my nic to Duqueesha Lowell. I’m gonna be rich!
Posted by: Montec at July 09, 2023 01:51 PM (qv+56)
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Ok, I’m changing my nic to Duqueesha Lowell. I’m gonna be rich!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 09, 2023 01:54 PM (u73oe)
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The story came out after Brittany Murphy died. Apparently not just her, but many others were well paid in that role. I've not heard other names, just that it was "common knowledge" in certain circles.
Posted by: BurtTC
I heard something of this years ago, and well, the story seems to have went away. Just another coincidence.
Posted by: BurtTC
I heard something of this years ago, and well, the story seems to have went away. Just another coincidence.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 09, 2023 01:55 PM (TZ75n)
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They should call this cocktail the Darwin.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Close to it, the combo causes the flesh to rot and death by sepsis is not uncommon. Philadelphia was an early epicenter.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Close to it, the combo causes the flesh to rot and death by sepsis is not uncommon. Philadelphia was an early epicenter.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 01:55 PM (V8NhF)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)
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Hidey-ho hordelings!
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 09, 2023 01:55 PM (Wy1BU)
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Except for the Trump years
the Kagans and Tori Nuland have been running our government
warhumping liberal interventionists
ya gotta love em
the Kagans and Tori Nuland have been running our government
warhumping liberal interventionists
ya gotta love em
Posted by: REDACTED at July 09, 2023 01:55 PM (us2H3)
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I watched Traffic yesterday on Netflix. Hadn’t seen it in 10 years or so and it holds up well. But I was thinking how quaint it was back in 2000 when it was made, that marijuana and cocaine coming across the border was the big thing instead of fentanyl and meth of today.
Posted by: Montec at July 09, 2023 01:57 PM (qv+56)
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Elon is the only time I got outta bed for less than 6 inches
Posted by: Amber Heard at July 09, 2023 01:57 PM (us2H3)
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Fentanyl problem started as a prescribed medication. It was created to be used only for end stage cancer pain. Of course it was soon prescribed to people who claimed intractable back pain by immoral doctors. And it just progressed to where it was prescribed for any alleged pain .
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2023 01:57 PM (FO8S3)
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 09, 2023 01:57 PM (Wy1BU)
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I watched Traffic yesterday on Netflix. Hadn’t seen it in 10 years or so and it holds up well. But I was thinking how quaint it was back in 2000 when it was made, that marijuana and cocaine coming across the border was the big thing instead of fentanyl and meth of today.
Posted by: Montec
Fruck you, loundeye!
Posted by: Montec
Fruck you, loundeye!
Posted by: CCP HQ at July 09, 2023 01:59 PM (TZ75n)
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"I remember walking around Tiananmen Square with my old customer who was from Hong Kong but went to school in Australia. Took a while to get used to hearing Crocodile Dundees voice coming out of his very Chinese face."
@Jackstraw, I remember once going to a presentation by some guys from Equatorial Guinea, where Spanish is the language. Cisco's and Pancho's accents on very black Africans. It was incongruous, to say the least.
@Jackstraw, I remember once going to a presentation by some guys from Equatorial Guinea, where Spanish is the language. Cisco's and Pancho's accents on very black Africans. It was incongruous, to say the least.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 09, 2023 02:00 PM (7B5FA)
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SWEEP AWAY ALL MONSTERS AND DEMONS!!!
Posted by: CPC, 1 June 1966 at July 09, 2023 02:00 PM (7IPpw)
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1st at Nood
Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2023 02:01 PM (xhxe8)
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260 Except for the Trump years
the Kagans and Tori Nuland have been running our government
warhumping liberal interventionists
ya gotta love em
Posted by: REDACTED
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Big Finance and Big Nat Sec faction are their bi partisan sponsors along with the criminals including govt officials benefiting from labor and child trafficking.
Both the finance and nat sec factions want turmoil--one to make money off of inside information; the other faction benefits from increased weapons sales and other largesse. The criminal faction benefits by having massive inflows of people and facilitating their arrival in the west. The Soc Justice coalition benefits by taking govt money to pay for care of these inflows of people.
the Kagans and Tori Nuland have been running our government
warhumping liberal interventionists
ya gotta love em
Posted by: REDACTED
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Big Finance and Big Nat Sec faction are their bi partisan sponsors along with the criminals including govt officials benefiting from labor and child trafficking.
Both the finance and nat sec factions want turmoil--one to make money off of inside information; the other faction benefits from increased weapons sales and other largesse. The criminal faction benefits by having massive inflows of people and facilitating their arrival in the west. The Soc Justice coalition benefits by taking govt money to pay for care of these inflows of people.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 02:02 PM (V8NhF)
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>>@Jackstraw, I remember once going to a presentation by some guys from Equatorial Guinea, where Spanish is the language. Cisco's and Pancho's accents on very black Africans. It was incongruous, to say the least.
Ha. I also had a Nigerian customer who was educated in the UK and sounded like he just walked out of Oxford, spoke far better English than I do.
Ha. I also had a Nigerian customer who was educated in the UK and sounded like he just walked out of Oxford, spoke far better English than I do.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2023 02:04 PM (ZLI7S)
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My cousin used marijuana in high school. He graduated to cocaine afterwards. He cleaned up enough to join the Army, went awol repeatedly, finally being other than honorable discharged. He married a Mexican woman who never bothered to get citizenship and had two kids. Went back to weed and coke, lost ever job due to intox on job until he finally got a job at a stone quarry where he injured his back after getting polluted on lunch break. After that he gave up cocaine but continued weed and booze as self med pain relievers. He wound up convincing a doctor to give him a serious pain med. I can't remember the name of the drug but even if it is used exactly as directed it can kill someone.
He was 42 years old when he died. The combination of rx, weed, booze, and shitty lifestyle choices ended a very funny man who had a very fucked up life. He would have been 58 this month.
He was 42 years old when he died. The combination of rx, weed, booze, and shitty lifestyle choices ended a very funny man who had a very fucked up life. He would have been 58 this month.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 09, 2023 02:10 PM (Wy1BU)
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263 Fentanyl problem started as a prescribed medication. It was created to be used only for end stage cancer pain. Of course it was soon prescribed to people who claimed intractable back pain by immoral doctors. And it just progressed to where it was prescribed for any alleged pain .
Posted by: polynikes
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For the most part, while the government popularized this notion, most of those using Fentanyl were already drug addicts using illegal drugs of all sorts--not people being treated with painkillers. Heroin use in the US skyrocketed between 2006 to 2016 and Fentanyl moved right alongside it as a supplement and then basically taking over the market.
See Rand 2006-2016 report here https://tinyurl.com/57ejk8hz
Posted by: polynikes
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For the most part, while the government popularized this notion, most of those using Fentanyl were already drug addicts using illegal drugs of all sorts--not people being treated with painkillers. Heroin use in the US skyrocketed between 2006 to 2016 and Fentanyl moved right alongside it as a supplement and then basically taking over the market.
See Rand 2006-2016 report here https://tinyurl.com/57ejk8hz
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2023 02:11 PM (V8NhF)
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55: the Left thinks that the greatest human right violation the United States inflicts on people (apart from existing) is having CBP agents demanding to see the passports of everyone passing through a port of entry. Human trafficking of all kinds is no big deal to them. They want open borders, and if that means children suffer under human trafficking rings, so be it.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 09, 2023 02:14 PM (7IPpw)
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If you have to fart, fart! You will feel much better for it.
Posted by: Mao at July 09, 2023 02:15 PM (7IPpw)
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Rock 'n' roll is here to stay
It will never die
It was meant to be that way
Though I don't know why
I don't care what people say
Rock 'n' roll is here to stay
It will never die
It was meant to be that way
Though I don't know why
I don't care what people say
Rock 'n' roll is here to stay
Posted by: Danny and the Juniors at July 09, 2023 02:25 PM (4I/2K)
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Nobody is perfect!
Posted by: Saxon at July 09, 2023 03:21 PM (QP35N)
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I already recognize the punishment of that "huge camp outside of D.C." Even if you are affluent living in the NoVa suburbs, and can afford weekending at Lake Anna or the Northern Neck, you get your punishment on Friday evening in bumper to bumper traffic trying to escape.
Posted by: Fenderbender at July 09, 2023 03:46 PM (r72iY)
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Peter Zeihan talking about the Chinese demographic collapse? I don't always agree with Zeihan's conclusions or predictions, but his research is usually right on point."
I have been hear that China is on the verge of financial and or demographic implosion for at least twenty years but it never happens.
I have been hear that China is on the verge of financial and or demographic implosion for at least twenty years but it never happens.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 09, 2023 03:51 PM (9yUzE)
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Elon Musk is a liar and a fraud. He is in bed with Xi/CCP making love just like Joe and Hunter Biden
Posted by: Ridesdressage at July 09, 2023 05:11 PM (2qXFn)
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IOW, if you don't kow-tow to the Emperor, no business contracts for you. I wouldn't even go so far as the Brit did back in the day.
Posted by: GWB at July 09, 2023 05:16 PM (4Ug2W)
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They're trying to merge Western European socialism-lite with an iron-fist-in-velvet-glove authoritarianism. They're not stupid - they don't want to return to the excesses driven by cults of personality and also want to avoid the pre-CCP dynastic chaos. This of course does not excuse the current concentration camps aimed at non-ethnic Chinese.
The Western progs seek to destroy us to replace us with serfs; they Chinese don't have to, their people are already serfs, albeit with a nicer veneer.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:31 PM (BW9UA)
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I really have to laugh. Xi has gotten rid of any possible political voice that could even suggest he think differently. Xi walked into a trade war with his biggest trading partner, for who trade has never been all that important. In the process - with covid as the cherry on top of a demographic timebomb sundae (it's even worse than Zeihan thought) - China faces a world where the US is now openly hostile - where we are systematically eliminating their access to our markets and even to modern technology. And access to our markets and the US' willingness to keep the trading lanes open built China. All of that is gone. China is toast.
The Western progs seek to destroy us to replace us with serfs; they Chinese don't have to, their people are already serfs, albeit with a nicer veneer.
Posted by: somedood at July 09, 2023 12:31 PM (BW9UA)
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I really have to laugh. Xi has gotten rid of any possible political voice that could even suggest he think differently. Xi walked into a trade war with his biggest trading partner, for who trade has never been all that important. In the process - with covid as the cherry on top of a demographic timebomb sundae (it's even worse than Zeihan thought) - China faces a world where the US is now openly hostile - where we are systematically eliminating their access to our markets and even to modern technology. And access to our markets and the US' willingness to keep the trading lanes open built China. All of that is gone. China is toast.
Posted by: Black JEM at July 09, 2023 07:00 PM (UVyKP)
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"No person and no force can stop the march of the Chinese people toward better lives!" … except the Chinese people
Posted by: SMOD at July 09, 2023 08:24 PM (RovqD)
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Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at July 09, 2023 09:09 PM (CrF4u)
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China has never been accused of facing demographic collapse until recently.
I think Zeihan has the same problem Trump has, he respects the system too much. As to populist, he also says that the next president will be even more populist. He is looking at it on a spectrum becoming ever greater nationalistic and populist. He really doesn't care for any of our last five presidents, the last president he liked was GHWB. He has disdain in particular for the last three for differing reasons, while giving them credit for things he felt they got right. Well, not so much for Obama, I can't remember him saying anything good about him at all as a president.
I think Zeihan has the same problem Trump has, he respects the system too much. As to populist, he also says that the next president will be even more populist. He is looking at it on a spectrum becoming ever greater nationalistic and populist. He really doesn't care for any of our last five presidents, the last president he liked was GHWB. He has disdain in particular for the last three for differing reasons, while giving them credit for things he felt they got right. Well, not so much for Obama, I can't remember him saying anything good about him at all as a president.
Posted by: Black JEM at July 09, 2023 09:40 PM (UVyKP)
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