The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

"American Gun Culture" is a pejorative according to the media and their masters in the federal, state and local law-enforcement leviathan. It goes hand-in-hand with the relentless reporting of almost every shooting as a "mass shooting," and every gang drive-by-shooting conspicuously stripped of all mention of the entrenched violence of the blue cities. It is an a priori assumption that the catastrophic murder rate in the blue inner cities is caused by America's irrational fixation on guns, even though the vast majority of those guns are owned outside of the inner cities.

Here is a Politico article from four years ago, written by a couple of well-meaning academics who nonetheless fall into the trap of treating guns as emotional objects...the talisman of the flyover states. These two knuckleheads actually try to be evenhanded, and for that I give them credit, but they miss some huge issues when they try to connect gun violence in America with "American Gun Culture."

What Both Sides Don't Get About American Gun Culture

The view of guns as neutral tools, a view shared by conservative defenders of gun rights as well as liberal advocates of gun regulation, misses a crucial fact about guns and gun ownership. It wrongly assumes that the distribution of guns and their presence in their owners' lives are totally independent facts that don't shape the opportunities and choices of the people who use them.
But increasingly, research into the culture and political views of gun owners is painting a very different portrait. Gun owners' politics don't generally fall into lockstep with the NRA--but guns themselves are woven into people's lives in ways that go far beyond a tool. This suggests that the path to gun law reform won't be as simple as liberals might hope or conservatives might fear.

There are two huge errors. The first is that they conflate gun culture with violence, even though the hyper-violence of the inner city, which is where most gun crime occurs, is driven by societal breakdown, lack of respect for the rule of law, and a fundamental lack of respect for life (I wonder whether abortion rate and murder rate are correlated?). There is no gun culture in the inner cities...guns are a tool to make casual violence easy. True American Gun Culture is far less violent...in fact, legal owners of firearms are astoundingly law-abiding. Gun Culture means a tremendous social network of gun clubs and competitive shooting and the millions of Americans who hunt. Gun Culture means sitting around at the local gun club, drinking coffee, socializing, talking politics or baseball or reloading or complaining about how loud the neighbors were last night. It doesn't mean the glorification of violence and the raising to some mythical level the ability to kill ones' interlocutors. It is quite the opposite. And gun safety is the main focus at every gun club, organization, event, sale, and many conversations I have experienced. And most of all, American Gun Culture is the internalized belief that we are a free people, that we possess rights independent of government.

The second error is the now axiomatic assumption that America needs gun law reform. No, we do not. We need the existing laws enforced...rigorously, consistently, and forcefully. We need to treat law-abiding gun owners -- who represent the overwhelming majority -- as regular American citizens, rather than potential mass murderers teetering on the edge of sanity.

Once again...legal gun owners do not commit crimes. They are among the most law-abiding people in America! I have seen statistics that suggest that American gun owners commit fewer gun crimes than American police!

But the incessant drum-beat of GUNS GUNS GUNS in the media is designed to shift the historical American perspective that it is our God-given, natural right to possess the means with which to defend ourselves from crime and, yes, government, to an attitude that accepts government as the sole possessor of force. That is a recipe for totalitarianism, and one that we must fight.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2023 11:00 AM (Wnv9h)

2 first

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2023 11:00 AM (pwExq)

3 Yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 06, 2023 11:00 AM (AviTG)

4 Dammit!

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2023 11:00 AM (pwExq)

5 King Harv got me

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:00 AM (b4YBS)

6 Shorter: people who write about "guns" and "gun culture" have never held or fired a weapon.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 06, 2023 11:02 AM (RIvkX)

7 Chicago had quite a run over the 4th. Freaking war zone. The problem is not the guns, it's the unstable people who manage to get their hands on them.

Posted by: sTevo at July 06, 2023 11:03 AM (8i+57)

8 None of my firearms ever took a shot at anyone

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:03 AM (b4YBS)

9 True American Gun Culture is far less violent...in fact, legal owners of firearms are astoundingly law-abiding.

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You find and meet the nicest, most responsible and helpful people in the world at ... wait for it ... gun ranges.

Shocker!

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (ul9wx)

10 King Harv got me
Posted by: Skip

We'll send the toe fungus people to rescue you.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (AviTG)

11 So...every flyover gun owner is not in a reich wing militia?

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

12 None of my firearms ever took a shot at anyone
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:03 AM (b4YBS)
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Have they been to Chicago or Baltimore?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (RIvkX)

13 But the incessant drum-beat of GUNS GUNS GUNS in the media is designed to shift the historical American perspective that it is our God-given, natural right to possess the means with which to defend ourselves from crime and, yes, government, to an attitude that accepts government as the sole possessor of force. That is a recipe for totalitarianism, and one that we must fight.

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I long ago came to the conclusion that gun control support is almost entirely astroturfed and that it's mostly just used to fundraise off of from the few people who do want it.

It's an emotional thing that the establishment can put into fundraising emails and in speeches in front of rich donors. "Donate $10,000 each or children will get murdered in the streets."

Over the past 30 years, literally hundreds of millions of weapons have been sold in the US and guns rights have expanded greatly to the point that a majority of states have some form constitutional carry (27 of them, to be precise).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (LvTSG)

14 We need the existing laws enforced...rigorously, consistently, and forcefully.

Whoa! Let's not take things too far here.

Posted by: Hunter B. at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (a3Q+t)

15 I'm ok with gun law reform...
There is far too much infringement.

NFA - Gone
ATF&E - Gone
FFA 1983 - Gone

To start...

Posted by: Inogame at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (53oGX)

16 We're very lucky to have a "gun culture".

It's not the "Gun culture" that's responsible for most crimes. It's a different one- we could call it the "rap culture", the one that glorifies violence, crime, envy, and excess.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 06, 2023 11:05 AM (N1DT3)

17 King Harv got me
Posted by: Skip

I hate when that happens !

Posted by: JT at July 06, 2023 11:05 AM (T4tVD)

18 7 Chicago had quite a run over the 4th. Freaking war zone. The problem is not the guns, it's the unstable people who manage to get their hands on them.
Posted by: sTevo at July 06, 2023 11:03 AM (8i+57)

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Well, in Chicago, it's the the city government works hand in hand with the gangs in ways that protect the violent members of the gangs from any government response.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

19 Chicago had quite a run over the 4th. Freaking war zone. The problem is not the guns, it's the unstable people who manage to get their hands on them.

That's their point. At some level, the Left understands that their way of doing things produces feral people. Their solution is to remove the tools of violence at the disposal of the feral people they make.

If they ever were able to seize guns, they'd move on to knives. Then bats. Eventually rocks.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (ZoeSo)

20 It is an a priori assumption that the catastrophic murder rate in the blue inner cities is caused by America's irrational fixation on guns, even though the vast majority of those guns are owned outside of the inner cities.
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And the weapons inside the inner cities are usually hot anyway and purchased informally. No amount of "gun control" will solve that problem.

And they know it. They want *peaceable* citizens disarmed. They don't care in the slightest about the non-peaceable ones, so long as it remains contained to the 'hood or breaks out only with their preferred political street warriors.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

21 King Harv got me
Posted by: Skip

We'll send the toe fungus people to rescue you.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM

Perhaps he would prefer the mature ladies with their ergonomic bras?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (a3Q+t)

22 We need to treat law-abiding gun owners -- who represent the overwhelming majority -- as regular American citizens, rather than potential mass murderers teetering on the edge of sanity.

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And as the heroes they are when saving multiple lives stopping mass-murdering lunatics.

"Where have you gone Kyle Rittenhouse,
A nation turns its lonely sights to you ... woo, hoo, hoo."

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (ul9wx)

23 What's the percentage of "gun crimes " committed by people who got that weapon illegally? What percent are people who own the weapon legally?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (Wy1BU)

24 19 "Chicago had quite a run over the 4th. Freaking war zone. The problem is not the guns, it's the unstable people who manage to get their hands on them."

That's their point. At some level, the Left understands that their way of doing things produces feral people. Their solution is to remove the tools of violence at the disposal of the feral people they make.

If they ever were able to seize guns, they'd move on to knives. Then bats. Eventually rocks.
Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (ZoeSo)

Which is what Britain has done. Aside from the rocks bit.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:07 AM (eYoxG)

25 Well, in Chicago, it's the the city government works hand in hand with the gangs in ways that protect the violent members of the gangs from any government response.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

For...decades...see El Rukn.

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:07 AM (AwYPR)

26 I remember watching a show way back when that was an anthology series of sorts, and in one episode it followed the history of a "magic gun" as it passed from one owner to another, and how the gun was eeeeevil because it caused its owners to kill just from being in possession of it.

Mkay

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at July 06, 2023 11:07 AM (VTu1l)

27 Gun culture? No gun ever composed an opera or danced a ballet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 06, 2023 11:07 AM (FVME7)

28 And most of all, American Gun Culture is the internalized belief that we are a free people, that we possess rights independent of government.

This. Absolutely this, CBD. Sadly, too many AINOs (Americans In Name Only) either do not believe in God-given rights or view the government as an all-powerful force that has the right - hell, the obligation - to 'protect' people from their own folly (the insidious Spockism "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one").

RedMindBlueState and I are going to meet up soon, I hope, and he's going to take me to the range so I can learn to shoot.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 06, 2023 11:07 AM (AW0uW)

29 20 And they know it. They want *peaceable* citizens disarmed. They don't care in the slightest about the non-peaceable ones, so long as it remains contained to the 'hood or breaks out only with their preferred political street warriors.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

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I imagine that it's some desire of our elite, but they make virtually no move to make it happen beyond rhetoric ever.

Our elite are more concerned with graft than control, especially if that control can't be done entirely from a centralized location like a social media site's server room.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (LvTSG)

30 Is this a gun thread then?

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (pwExq)

31 Concealed carry will lead to streets running with blood, deadly road rage will be common

I was told. Repeatedly and falsely

Posted by: Zeera. 'We want fun and we wanna get wasted!' at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (6I2Cp)

32 The vast majority of gun violence happens within the left's crime culture and not the right's gun culture.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (wBpKf)

33 23 What's the percentage of "gun crimes " committed by people who got that weapon illegally? What percent are people who own the weapon legally?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM (Wy1BU)

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Registered Democrats vs. Registered Republicans would be a potentially interesting statistic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (LvTSG)

34 You're in error when you allege that there's a disproportionate amount of gun violence in inner cities.

Midnight basketball solved the problem.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (gf7Ez)

35 One of the best memes I saw on how useless gun control was this gate in an open field that’s supposed to block cars from entering. And on both sides of the gate hundreds of car tracks.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (Cr2ZZ)

36 “…It's an emotional thing that the establishment can put into fundraising emails and in speeches in front of rich donors. "Donate $10,000 each or children will get murdered in the streets."

Nothing strikes fear in the heart of a Democrat than threatening to kill a child with a gun before they get to rape them.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (9CTr8)

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Over the past 30 years, literally hundreds of millions of weapons have been sold in the US and guns rights have expanded greatly to the point that a majority of states have some form constitutional carry (27 of them, to be precise).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (LvTSG)

It is one of the few long-run wins.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (eYoxG)

38 And as the heroes they are when saving multiple lives stopping mass-murdering lunatics.

"Where have you gone Kyle Rittenhouse,
A nation turns its lonely sights to you ... woo, hoo, hoo."
Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:06 AM

Kyle's shots saved more people than Fauchi's did.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (a3Q+t)

39 Wait. If it's a "culture," then isn't other people imposing alternate views on its members "cultural imperialism?"

Posted by: mikeski at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (Pt3M8)

40 39 Wait. If it's a "culture," then isn't other people imposing alternate views on its members "cultural imperialism?"
Posted by: mikeski at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (Pt3M

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"I don't get it."
-Diversity and Equity trainer in Afghanistan

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

41 We hereby deem gun culture illegal.
- United Nations

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:09 AM (Cr2ZZ)

42 As soon as the Morning Rant was posted, my electricity came back on. Thanks, CBD.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:10 AM (K7CfM)

43 Sanctuary States where any and all illegal “gun” laws by the federales is null and void.

A Man Can Dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 06, 2023 11:10 AM (R/m4+)

44 Inner cities will never police the guns because it would mean imprisoning a bunch of black women who do straw purchases for their family men.

The one nefarious thing is that the feds would love to have the guns gone so they could complete their totalitarian impulses without fear of armed reprisal.

Posted by: Black JEM at July 06, 2023 11:10 AM (UVyKP)

45 I imagine that it's some desire of our elite, but they make virtually no move to make it happen beyond rhetoric ever.

Our elite are more concerned with graft than control, especially if that control can't be done entirely from a centralized location like a social media site's server room.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (LvTSG)

I suspect it is a vague aping of historical actions in seizing power. Our would-be tyrants are both lazy and inept, without the energy of a Lenin or Mao thankfully.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:11 AM (eYoxG)

46 There is no gun culture in the inner cities...guns are a tool to make casual violence easy. True American Gun Culture is far less violent...in fact, legal owners of firearms are astoundingly law-abiding. Gun Culture means a tremendous social network of gun clubs and competitive shooting and the millions of Americans who hunt. Gun Culture means sitting around at the local gun club, drinking coffee, socializing, talking politics or baseball or reloading or complaining about how loud the neighbors were last night. It doesn't mean the glorification of violence and the raising to some mythical level the ability to kill ones' interlocutors.
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All impossible for an authoritarian to understand, because to understand it is to acknowledge that he has a foolish world view predicated on state power.

"Guns == aggressive violence" is a simple distillation that allows only one exception ("except when wielded by politically controlled authorities) and is therefore useful.

The stupid among them believe it, and the rest pretend to because it's useful. Nothing more or less.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 06, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)

47 One of the best memes I saw on how useless gun control was this gate in an open field that’s supposed to block cars from entering.

Yeah. But its an idea as old as time. Nobility made damn sure swords were expensive and the serfs couldn't own any. It goes on and on.

And as I constantly point out, to the bleeding hearts that still embrace this dumb shit - don't ever believe our political class will do without armed protection. That shit is not going to happen.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:11 AM (ZoeSo)

48 Is this a gun thread then?
Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM

Depends on whether you favor the Euroweenie 9mm, or the hallowed1911 of our ancestors.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (a3Q+t)

49 Look at murders per capita in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana vs Illinois and DC. All you need to know about how it all works.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (Cr2ZZ)

50 Bts both appellate court justices that clobbered CA AG Bonta on gun advertisement bans were appointed by Trump.

Thank you again DJT

Posted by: PJ at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (G1dq6)

51 Every " gun reform law" has hidden agenda
They can go screw themselves

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (b4YBS)

52 I imagine that it's some desire of our elite, but they make virtually no move to make it happen beyond rhetoric ever.

Our elite are more concerned with graft than control, especially if that control can't be done entirely from a centralized location like a social media site's server room.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:08 AM (LvTSG)
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If the past 20 years haven't demonstrated that the revolution risk approaches zero, nothing will. I think they wouldn't mind disarming peaceable citizens, but I also think that they're no longer committed to do so.

It is in many ways, I think, the contemporary left's version of failure theater.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 06, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)

53 The Chigaco gun article failed to mention any ethnic statistics, so I'm assuming it was all b on b. I'm so racist. We usually get the w on b stats, never b on w stats.

Posted by: sTevo at July 06, 2023 11:13 AM (8i+57)

54 Outlaw gun ownership among the Democrats 'constituency and gun violence will plummet.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 06, 2023 11:13 AM (aD39U)

55 I don't know how many more incidents of Democrats shooting Democrats it will take for Republicans to realize they need to give up their guns.

Posted by: Cocaine Joe Biden at July 06, 2023 11:13 AM (TeAWb)

56 Depends on whether you favor the Euroweenie 9mm, or the hallowed1911 of our ancestors.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (a3Q+t)

1911 in 9? 10? mm.

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:14 AM (AwYPR)

57 There are two huge errors. The first is that they conflate gun culture with violence,... The second error is the now axiomatic assumption that America needs gun law reform.

While missing the elephant in the room.

Its Imago Dei vs Lebensunwertes Leben.

The Left does not have a conscience, no empathy, no moral compass. Everything is a tool, a means to an end, this is why they appear as hypocrites and in an endless game of Projection as their accusations are their confessions.

And that is their obsession about guns. The only inhibition against killing their neighbor is the fear of consequences. If that fear is gone, then Hello Genocide.

Now they have characterized their opponents as evil, murderous, and despicable to the point of most corporate media being a modernized episode of "Der ewige Jude" where conservatives are the subject.

So they project their personal desire to kill their opponents on to people they can't even understand, and there is your Gun Control foundation.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:15 AM (p8A+W)

58 Depends on whether you favor the Euroweenie 9mm, or the hallowed1911 of our ancestors.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (a3Q+t)

1911 in 9? 10? mm.

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:14 AM (AwYPR)

.38 Super?

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:15 AM (AwYPR)

59 Outlaw gun ownership among the Democrats 'constituency and gun violence will plummet.

In all seriousness, let the biggest American cities decide for themselves. Chicago, NYC, LA, Boston, and Philly want to be gun free zones ? Be my guest. Good luck seizing them all. That'll be a show. Have at it.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:15 AM (ZoeSo)

60
Purpose of Owning a Gun
- Self defense
- Collective defense
- Defense of family
- Defense of property
- Sport
- Hunting
- To kill someone

Purpose of an Abortion
- To kill someone

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 11:15 AM (MoZTd)

61 We know why they do this. An unarmed populace is more easily handled than an armed one.

If this country did not have the 2nd Amendment during the Scamdemic, the government would have gone from door to door making sure you were masked and make sure you took the jab.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude - Jeep Owner at July 06, 2023 11:16 AM (4q/mG)

62 52 If the past 20 years haven't demonstrated that the revolution risk approaches zero, nothing will. I think they wouldn't mind disarming peaceable citizens, but I also think that they're no longer committed to do so.

It is in many ways, I think, the contemporary left's version of failure theater.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 06, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)

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Corruption in capital cities doesn't seem to have an effect on the larger populace until it affects the ability of the populace to feed itself.

But yeah, it's failure theater. "This time, we'll ban all the guns! Just donate today! 5x match!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

63 Hey, folks that believe in open borders somehow don't believe in personal protection. Odd, that.

Posted by: Pudinhead at July 06, 2023 11:16 AM (bA3Ln)

64 "Gun violence" is a problem among urban youth. You can end it by putting people who are violating laws we already have in jail and keeping them there.

The people that all the current "gun control" measures are actually aimed at are suburban and urban gun owners who aren't breaking any other laws and if these use their firearms use them overwhelmingly defensively.

So the logical takeaways are:

No gun control activists actually care, in the least, about the urban people killed by "gun violence"

Gun control activists want suburban/rural people to be the victims of more crime

Gun control activists fear suburban/rural people having guns for reasons not related to "gun violence".

The obvious answer is they fear a popular uprising, though the second point is likely the more immediate reason for most - they want to hurt "Trump voters" and see this as an easy way to do it.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:17 AM (lc5cP)

65 51 Every law has a hidden agenda, nowadays.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 06, 2023 11:17 AM (xTRSc)

66 Once again...legal gun owners do not commit crimes. They are among the most law-abiding people in America! I have seen statistics that suggest that American gun owners commit fewer gun crimes than American police!

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[1 of 2] The Deep State and MDM-MSM never -- and I mean never -- report the number of crimes & potential injuries committed, and lives potentially saved, by law-abiding gun owners simply brandishing their firearms in defensive gun use.

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:17 AM (ul9wx)

67 [2 of 2] From GunFacts.info:

. Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired, and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

. Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.

. Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.

. Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.

. If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:17 AM (ul9wx)

68 Come on. Its POLITICO for fuck sakes. The online presence of the Washington Post where they can be even nuttier and more progressive than the mainstream WaPo would allow.

You thought this would be a serious piece about guns ?

Give me a fucking break

Posted by: deadrody at July 06, 2023 11:18 AM (kYmXc)

69 So it seems to me that gun control can't be solved because Democrats are using guns to kill each other -- and want it to stop -- whereas Republicans are using guns to defend against Democrats. Psychologically, those are different risk profiles. And you can't reconcile those interests, except on the margins. For example, both sides might agree that rocket launchers are a step too far. But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as "Put down your gun so I can shoot you." -- Scott Adams

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2023 11:18 AM (pwExq)

70 Politicians can't solve this problem. It's unsolvable and it will just have to run its course. The smart ones will exit the cities and then the city will cave in on itself. SMOD would help to speed things up.

Posted by: sTevo at July 06, 2023 11:18 AM (8i+57)

71 Shorter: people who write about "guns" and "gun culture" have never held or fired a weapon.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 06, 2023 11:02 AM (RIvkX)

Or been shot at.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (e4fEA)

72 If this country did not have the 2nd Amendment during the Scamdemic, the government would have gone from door to door making sure you were masked and make sure you took the jab.

Meal Team Six proved this is Texas. Honestly, the fact that Texans in that bar didn't open up on Meal Team Six was a good thing. It showed me that some folks were way more level headed than I thought.

I've noticed a lot of folks around me conveniently forgetting all the details surrounding Covid. Pretending they never saw it. Going on with life as if all the fascism never happened.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (ZoeSo)

73 55 I don't know how many more incidents of Democrats shooting Democrats it will take for Republicans to realize they need to give up their guns.
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Yeah, I know. How many Targets have to burn before Republicans agree to be castrated?

Posted by: Pudinhead at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (bA3Ln)

74 the past 20 years haven't demonstrated that the revolution risk approaches zero, nothing will. I think they wouldn't mind disarming peaceable citizens, but I also think that they're no longer committed to do so.

It is in many ways, I think, the contemporary left's version of failure theater.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 06, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)

Agreed. The idea that guns keeps the left from exercising their fascistic ways is out of date. It’s a way to get money from AWFLs now. And if they do ban guns it’s a bonus but they’re kinda meh either way about it.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (Cr2ZZ)

75 H7 you got it.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (PiwSw)

76 None of my firearms ever took a shot at anyone
Posted by: Skip

Hell, I HAVE NEVER even taken a shot at anyone.
And I had jobs where I had a better chance to than anyone.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:20 AM (g40eP)

77 Guns are solution. Gun Confiscation is a problem. Please note, guns are a solution.

Posted by: Pudinhead at July 06, 2023 11:20 AM (bA3Ln)

78 Is this a gun thread then?

I no longer have a squirrel problem.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:20 AM (p8A+W)

79 That’s what you get when you have liberals attempt to write a neutral research paper. They can’t stay away from emotional opinion as fact.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:20 AM (MNhXM)

80 Here's an anecdotal codicil to Joe Biden's claim that citizens would need more than small arms as a deterrent to government (i.e. an F-16). In the months following my father-in-law's disappearance in 2008, the local sheriff's department on more than one occasion declined the opportunity to knock on the door of residences where the guy suspected of involvement in Jack's disappearance was thought to be living. The stated reason for their reluctance? They did not want to get shot at. Just the possibility of an armed resident was a powerful deterrent.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 06, 2023 11:22 AM (kXYt5)

81 But the incessant drum-beat of GUNS GUNS GUNS in the media is designed to shift the historical American perspective that it is our God-given, natural right to possess the means with which to defend ourselves from crime and, yes, government, to an attitude that accepts government as the sole possessor of force. That is a recipe for totalitarianism, and one that we must fight.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

When government is the sole possessor of force, it must be completely law-abiding TOWARD ALL CITIZENS in order to avoid unnecessary use of said force. Our government is FAR from completely law-abiding on a consistently equal basis. The premise of a benevolent government must be challenged in every instance where it is assumed to be the default. The founders knew the inherent (or at least eventual) non-benevolence of government. Hence the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Doof at July 06, 2023 11:22 AM (2NDcH)

82 I'm ok with gun law reform...
There is far too much infringement.

NFA - Gone
ATF&E - Gone
FFA 1983 - Gone

To start...
Posted by: Inogame

Why do you want the Future Farmers of America gone?

Infringement:
NFA '34
GCA '68
GCA '86

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:22 AM (g40eP)

83 Great points ... those two critical errors are part of the Mind-Fluck Plan ... to establish via media an Anti-America mindset that puts BigGov first.

The WEF/Globalists call it "Flood" ... flood all media, including social media, with The Narrative, eliminate all other voices.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (Cus5s)

84 .300 AAC is the hipster version of 7.62x39. Discuss

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (OgrpQ)

85 @57 Reuben Hick-The continuous beating of your head against the wall trying to understand the "why" when it comes to motivating people on the left. Last week "evil" was the subject of a rant.
I'll keep saying it, we just pay lip service to calling the left "evil" here. We do not accept it as fact. We still cling to the notion that we can rationalize and reason with these people, we can't.

Posted by: JROD at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (IlL6s)

86 King Harv got me
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:00 AM

That's what happens when King Harv gets air.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (Wnv9h)

87 There is a new episode of Black Mirror where the story revolves around a group of hippies breaking into someone’s home and killing the entire family in the late 60s. The man of the house tried to thwart them by swing a baseball bat around and fails. Miserably.

They didn’t intend to do it, but that episode is the best pro-gun message possible.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (Cr2ZZ)

88 If democrats would quit shooting people, gun violence would drop by 90%.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (g40eP)

89 The Biden administration’s latest nuclear deal with Iran could enable the hardline regime to make "up to eight nuclear weapons in three months," according to an analysis released this week.

The agreement, which Biden administration officials are negotiating in secret, will bring Tehran "closer to the nuclear threshold" than ever before, according to a policy analysis published on Wednesday by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD).

Posted by: SMOD at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (RHGPo)

90 59 In all seriousness, let the biggest American cities decide for themselves. Chicago, NYC, LA, Boston, and Philly want to be gun free zones ? Be my guest. Good luck seizing them all. That'll be a show. Have at it.
Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:15 AM

Sadly as a licensed NYC firearm owner they know where I live. They will never go after the criminals with a firearm. Maybe it is time to break out the canoe and paddle over to Brooklyn.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude - Jeep Owner at July 06, 2023 11:24 AM (WsJuq)

91 They did not want to get shot at. Just the possibility of an armed resident was a powerful deterrent.

Funny how that works.

Everyone responds to incentives.

For a cop going after a meth dealer, a gang banger den, or a MS-13 location might get you shot.

Pulling over a normie for speeding however, just gets your department more budget...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:24 AM (lc5cP)

92 The Left wants criminals to have guns (Cloward-Pliven doncha know), and wants to disarm the law-abiding gun-owning population.

Gosh, I wonder why they want to do that?

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 06, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)

93 Here's an anecdotal codicil to Joe Biden's claim that citizens would need more than small arms as a deterrent to government (i.e. an F-16).

I listen to ZERO gun control arguments from the guy who armed our enemies to the tune of 300,000 fully automatic rifles.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:25 AM (g40eP)

94 Pulling over a normie for speeding however, just gets your department more budget...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:24 AM (lc5cP)

Or 5 foot 2 inch mom at a school board meeting.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 06, 2023 11:25 AM (PiwSw)

95 A baggie of cocaine is found in the West Wing of the White House. A federal judge issues a cease-and-desist ruling ordering the Administrative State to stop colluding with Big Tech to censor conservative speech. The Ukes slip the leash and the PRC's economy is in the toilet. TIME FOR GUN CONTROL SQUIRREL!

Posted by: mrp at July 06, 2023 11:25 AM (rj6Yv)

96 Agreed. The idea that guns keeps the left from exercising their fascistic ways is out of date. It’s a way to get money from AWFLs now. And if they do ban guns it’s a bonus but they’re kinda meh either way about it.
Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (Cr2ZZ)

Disagree. The criminals and government always have the fact that regular citizens are armed in the back of their minds. Admittedly I have no clear insight into what the government might do if they were able to disarm the entire group of law abiding citizens. I do though have an idea of what criminals would do.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

97 Here's an anecdotal codicil to Joe Biden's claim that citizens would need more than small arms as a deterrent to government (i.e. an F-16).

The Taliban had more then just small arms but...they certainly didn't have F-16s.

A motivated American insurgency could likely get everything the Taliban had in Mexico.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:26 AM (lc5cP)

98 Democrats aren't against guns, they just don't you to have them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (AviTG)

99 When government is the sole possessor of force, it must be completely law-abiding TOWARD ALL CITIZENS in order to avoid unnecessary use of said force.

That goes against human nature. No group of man will ever, once it has the monopoly on force, act altruistically. As my man Milton Friedman once asked Phil Donahue, where do you think all these angels are going to come from ?

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (ZoeSo)

100 Here's an anecdotal codicil to Joe Biden's claim that citizens would need more than small arms as a deterrent to government (i.e. an F-16).

I listen to ZERO gun control arguments from the guy who armed our enemies to the tune of 300,000 fully automatic rifles.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:25 AM (g40eP

Don’t forget he traded a dangerous arms dealer for an American hating lesbian .

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (MNhXM)

101 96 Agreed. The idea that guns keeps the left from exercising their fascistic ways is out of date. It’s a way to get money from AWFLs now. And if they do ban guns it’s a bonus but they’re kinda meh either way about it.
Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:19 AM (Cr2ZZ)

Disagree. The criminals and government always have the fact that regular citizens are armed in the back of their minds. Admittedly I have no clear insight into what the government might do if they were able to disarm the entire group of law abiding citizens. I do though have an idea of what criminals would do.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

Well the ruling class has a long-running interest in "population control" and "eugenics". Hard to say for how long that'd remain as experiments on prisoners and unprotected members of society.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (eYoxG)

102 I just thought of a great way to keep track of your cocaine. Put it in a nasal spray bottle.

Tell everyone it’s for “allergies”.

I’m smarter than they smartest guy Joe Biden knows.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (JTwsP)

103 I've often thought specifically making speeding fines go to the DPW for the state/town would get rid of most of the silly police focus on speeding.

Again, without the incentive to focus on Joe Normie trying to get home to dinner in 42 minutes instead of 45 the cops would find more useful things to do.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:28 AM (lc5cP)

104 Wany

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 06, 2023 11:28 AM (AviTG)

105 I long ago came to the conclusion that gun control support is almost entirely astroturfed and that it's mostly just used to fundraise off of from the few people who do want it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:04 AM (LvTSG)

I long ago came to the conclusion that gun control support is almost completely fake and is used to convince sheeple that there is support for the BS measures taken by tyrants.

Just like every other issue.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 06, 2023 11:28 AM (GYIa4)

106 I imagine if you remove the blue cities from the gun deaths statistics, the death rate by gun drops to quite significantly.

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (fllPe)

107 105 I long ago came to the conclusion that gun control support is almost completely fake and is used to convince sheeple that there is support for the BS measures taken by tyrants.

Just like every other issue.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 06, 2023 11:28 AM (GYIa4)

=========

Except rear view cameras in every car.

The people cried out for that in unison.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

108 "In light of the Supreme Court decision on Thursday, we are working with university leadership to better understand any implications for the journal ranking process," the office told students in an email. "Because of this, journal acceptances will be delayed until we receive further clarity."

"We have an obligation," the office added, "to … ensure that our decision processes are consistent with the law."

Law journals have long used affirmative action to select student editors as well as articles for publication. The delay suggests that this widespread practice could be on the chopping block as a result of the High Court's sweeping ruling, which experts say has laid the groundwork for invalidating a host of race-based policies across academia and corporate America.

Posted by: SMOD at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (RHGPo)

109 Phil Donahue

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (ZoeSo)

One of the dumbest humans ever spawned.

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (AwYPR)

110 Admittedly I have no clear insight into what the government might do if they were able to disarm the entire group of law abiding citizens. I do though have an idea of what criminals would do.

Yeah, you do. Just look at the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. That's what Western Government will do with a largely unarmed populace.

Kids, we're it. As Reagan said, and I'm no Reagan devotee but on this Ronny had it right, we've got nowhere else to run. This is the end of the line.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (ZoeSo)

111 belated yo

Posted by: REDACTED at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (us2H3)

112 A motivated American insurgency could likely get everything the Taliban had in Mexico.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:26 AM (lc5cP)

It may not be the number I desire but I have no doubt that a good percentage of the military would join a real insurgency against a fascist government.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (MNhXM)

113 The Taliban had more then just small arms but...they certainly didn't have F-16s.

A motivated American insurgency could likely get everything the Taliban had in Mexico.
Posted by: 18-1

If they couldn't get them in mexico, they could get them delivered thru mexico.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (g40eP)

114 The patriotic ham and eggers at the FBI would never enforce an unconstitutional gun confiscation law.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (gf7Ez)

115 There is no gun culture in the inner cities...guns are a tool to make casual violence easy.

There is definitely a gun culture in the inner cities. It just isn't the same one you and I are part of. You only need to see the flood of social media posts with urban yoots waving around Glocks with extended mags to see that it's a culture.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (nfrXX)

116 The obvious answer is they fear a popular uprising, though the second point is likely the more immediate reason for most - they want to hurt "Trump voters" and see this as an easy way to do it.

But the Left is inherently coward. Look at many of their plot devices in movies and stories - they want others to do the wet work, the Left just wants to point and snap their fingers.

This explains why violent criminals are loosed and the sheepdogs arrested. This explains wide open borders for the criminal/violent class while we still demand that honest visa holders stand in line at the INS office.

This is why BLM was celebrated for entering into suburbia by the AWFLs and other white filth. The Left is sadistic and homicidal and sending out their mercenaries is just one vector of expression of hatred for Heritage America.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (p8A+W)

117 44 Inner cities will never police the guns because it would mean imprisoning a bunch of black women who do straw purchases for their family men."

No, it would mean walling off the core of every major northern city in the US, and treating it like a giant self administered high security penal colony, as in Escape from New York. When *everyone* is a criminal, you can never build a separate prison big enough.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:30 AM (i9ffA)

118 I do though have an idea of what criminals would do.

Criminals in the United States tend to burglarize houses when no one is home. Why? They don't want to get shot.

Even in left-wing Oregon, the government still has not dared to eliminate the "Castle Doctrine", which states that you can shoot intruders in your house.

It's quite different in gun-free England.

Some 64 per cent of burglaries in England and Wales occurred while residents were at home, according to ONS data from April 2019 to March 2020. This proportion has increased over the last decade, from 57 per cent 10 years ago.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 06, 2023 11:31 AM (2tUFv)

119 I imagine if you remove the blue cities from the gun deaths statistics, the death rate by gun drops to quite significantly.
Posted by: Darth Randall

Equal to or better than European levels.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:31 AM (g40eP)

120 I could end 60 to 90% of gun violence tomorrow.

Ban all black men under the age of 35 from owning or possessing guns.
Automatic exile to Africa for any violations.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 06, 2023 11:31 AM (29rl5)

121 Adam Carolla has spoken about cops enforcing laws on people like him, Because there is no risk. So he goes 62 in a 55 gets pulled over. Or his plates are 4 days expired he gets pulled over. There is a 0.0001% chance Adam, white middle age guy in a $100K car will make any trouble for the cop pulling him over. But the guy taking a shit on the sidewalk next to where Adam is pulled over, he’s ignored by he cop because that would be a 99.99% chance of some kind of altercation.

In other words cops are pussies.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:31 AM (Cr2ZZ)

122 Phil Donahue

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:27 AM (ZoeSo)

One of the dumbest humans ever spawned.

Posted by: BignJames at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (AwYPR)

Nah. Intellectually honest. Naive, maybe. But not dumb. The man gave folks like Milton Friedman a forum - and when you watch the show, he'd give Milton leading questions in the good way. Like a volleyball serve. Donahue was an old school Classical Liberal.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (ZoeSo)

123 The TV series Gunsmoke ran for twenty years, from 1956 to 1976. As time went along, the focus on gun culture in the American Frontier of the 19th century shifted to a more touchy feely tone (early to mid 70s). The series at that point should have been renamed, "Matt Dillon, Social Worker".

The earlier seasons stressed the gun as an essential survival tool in remote areas of the country, responsible gun use, and the ways guns were used being the 'measure of a man'. Th early episodes had a strong moral lesson, usually centered on gun usage and/or misuse.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (kXYt5)

124 Except rear view cameras in every car.

The people cried out for that in unison.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

Human cheat code for backing up. Love them!

Posted by: Doof at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (2NDcH)

125 No, it would mean walling off the core of every major northern city in the US, and treating it like a giant self administered high security penal colony,

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (g40eP)

126 The patriotic ham and eggers at the FBI would never enforce an unconstitutional gun confiscation law.

HAH! Trick observation!

There are no patriotic ham and eggers at the FBI!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (p8A+W)

127 Karens love gun control. It is the penis envy thing.

Posted by: I'm not Sigmund Freud, but at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (sh1GZ)

128 Yeah, you do. Just look at the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. That's what Western Government will do with a largely unarmed populace.

Have the cops start arresting people for social media posts.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (2tUFv)

129 On murder/abortion correlation: blacks commit murder at 10x the rate of whites and undergo abortions at 3x the white rate. Hispanics do more of both than whites, less than blacks. So, yes, there is a correlation.

Posted by: Craken at July 06, 2023 11:33 AM (tPdpp)

130 I'll keep saying it, we just pay lip service to calling the left "evil" here. We do not accept it as fact. We still cling to the notion that we can rationalize and reason with these people, we can't.
Posted by: JROD at July 06, 2023 11:23 AM (IlL6s)

Truth

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:33 AM (BdMk6)

131 I'm not surprised at all by this considering child marriage and child sex is normal in India. Tribal loyalists always win out.

https://twitter.com/dc_draino/status/
1676953190225571841

Remember when @RealCandaceO was discussing Ketanji Jackson’s soft sentences for child porn traffickers w/@VivekGRamaswamy?

This is what he said:
“I don’t think this is the hill conservatives should die on”

Actually sir it is
Protect the kids from evil

Posted by: Eagle Lips at July 06, 2023 11:33 AM (exeWe)

132 120 I could end 60 to 90% of gun violence tomorrow.

Ban all black men under the age of 35 from owning or possessing guns.
Automatic exile to Africa for any violations.
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Add Hispanics and you would become the safest country in the world.

Posted by: Pudinhead at July 06, 2023 11:33 AM (bA3Ln)

133 Pulling over a normie for speeding however, just gets your department more budget...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2023 11:24 AM (lc5cP)
==
Second highest rate of death for officers. Domestic disturbances are number one. Just had another one around here this week.

Posted by: Black JEM at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (UVyKP)

134 Hey, folks that believe in open borders somehow don't believe in personal protection. Odd, that.

Posted by: Pudinhead at July 06, 2023 11:16 AM (bA3Ln)

Ask the person surrounded by tooled up bodyguards why they don't believe in personal protection while lunging at them and find out the answer.

Posted by: ... at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (2tTGs)

135 If you look at the action of the old M3 grease gun, you quickly realize that any gun control is doomed to failure. People can make fully auto guns quite easily

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (JTwsP)

136 gun culture is best culture

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (xcxpd)

137 No, it would mean walling off the core of every major northern city in the US, and treating it like a giant self administered high security penal colony,

You say that as if it's a bad thing.
Posted by: rickb223
==
Seriously. That guy oughta be in sales, because that pithy description completely sold me on the idea.

Posted by: And by giant, he means YUUUUGE at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (sh1GZ)

138 20 I could end 60 to 90% of gun violence tomorrow.

Ban all black men under the age of 35 from owning or possessing guns.
Automatic exile to Africa for any violations.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 06, 2023 11:31 AM (29rl5)

Or you could just enforce the existing gun laws. So many crimes involving a gun are pled down to exclude that charge.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (MNhXM)

139 136 gun culture is best culture
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM (xcxpd)

=========

*shakes head sadly*
-boob culture

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

140 137 No, it would mean walling off the core of every major northern city in the US, and treating it like a giant self administered high security penal colony

Hello!

Posted by: John Carpenter at July 06, 2023 11:35 AM (PiwSw)

141 The earlier seasons stressed the gun as an essential survival tool in remote areas of the country, responsible gun use, and the ways guns were used being the 'measure of a man'. Th early episodes had a strong moral lesson, usually centered on gun usage and/or misuse.
Posted by: Muldoon

I'm 12 miles north of town. Regardless of what the AT&T map says, I have zero cell coverage. Also don't have a land line. Pray hard that if I catch you, that the internet isn't down. Because I have no way to call the sheriff.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:35 AM (g40eP)

142
2016 male homicide rate, per 100,000

Asian: 2.5
White, non-Hispanic: 3.9
Hispanic: 8.6
American Indian: 9.9
Black: 40.4

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/029.pdf

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 11:36 AM (MoZTd)

143
Open Forum, Part 1 | July 6, 2023, C-SPAN
https://www.c-span.org › video › open-forum-part-1
4 hours ago — Viewers responded to the question "Does gun ownership increase or decrease gun violence?"
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Democrats eyeing suburban women to launch new gun ...

The Hill, https://thehill.com › home news › 4082599-democrats-...
5 hours ago — Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) says the Senate is going to make another attempt to pass gun control legislation in response ...
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Philadelphia DA Urges Voters To Give GOP The Boot After ...HuffPost, https://www.huffpost.com › entry › larry-krasner-ar-1...
1 day ago — Larry Krasner* called out Republicans for wearing AR-15 pins and said it's time they "face the voters." (*Following a certain mass shooting incident, of course.)

Posted by: L - Family lore = relatives were Druids & Vikings, too! More likely, just hotheaded drunks at July 06, 2023 11:36 AM (GshMh)

144 the plan in 2016 was Cankles would be President and by now, they would have been confiscating weapons, paying for sex changes and abortions,reparations, bombing Russia, etc

even Mich thought she would win. The charade of stopping Garland was just so much BS. Mitch did it only to pad his own credentials.

Trump upset all that and they are looking for payback

Posted by: REDACTED at July 06, 2023 11:36 AM (us2H3)

145 I think we do need gun reform. Starting with revoking the Gun Control Act of 1968 and 1934.

WA state sure needs reform, a bunch of unconstitutional laws are making it hard to buy parts and noisemakers

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:37 AM (xcxpd)

146 gun culture is best culture

A gun makes men equal. And then your interactions can go from there. An armed society is a polite society.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:37 AM (ZoeSo)

147 The idea of an insurrection comes up every so often, but it's useful to remember any effort like that requires 3 things as prerequisites: 1) a strong organization 2) a coherent plan, widely accepted, and 3) respected, effective Leadership.

This is why almost all successful insurrections throughout history have required at least part of whatever Army was in place to spearhead them. Even the American Revolution would have gone nowhere without Washington, who was already a respected military leader who could recruit experienced military men to join him. It goes without saying that our side has none of that now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:37 AM (i9ffA)

148 A question for y'all legal firearm owners? How many background checks have you done? How many security clearances have you had? How many multi-million dollar weapons systems have you been responsible for? Yeah, me too. That's America.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2023 11:38 AM (Uv0D2)

149 In other words cops are pussies.

Cops aren't made of steel. How would you like to get into multiple daily altercations? The body can only take so much. Though are there some people, not everyone who does martial arts with pads and rules does it everyday.

Besides, fights lead to things like getting bit, or being exposed to weapons, or being videoed and being put on trial over a selective edit. Clothes get torn, dirtied up, covered in body waste. Things on the Batman Utility belt get lost or broken. Occasionally one runs against the bath salt or PCP guy, and you need a team to subdue.

Not worth it when the city council hates your guts and trash talks you in public at every opportunity.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:38 AM (p8A+W)

150 2016 male homicide rate, per 100,000

Asian: 2.5
White, non-Hispanic: 3.9
Hispanic: 8.6
American Indian: 9.9
Black: 40.4

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/029.pdf
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 11:36 AM (MoZTd)

not according to COPS on FOX

they say all crimes are committed by "Caucasians On Parole or Suspension"

Posted by: REDACTED at July 06, 2023 11:38 AM (us2H3)

151 Any calibre measured in mm is communist.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (GzDfN)

152
...in fact, legal owners of firearms are astoundingly law-abiding.

This.

one of the fun facts I use when debating the issue is that one is 22 times more likely to be violently assaulted by a college professor or a member of the clergy (BIRM) than being assaulted by a CPL holder

(IIRC, I got this statistic from John Lott's work)

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (ENBF0)

153 40 years ago, at the dawn of the age of computers, one author, discussing the current sci-fi genre of sentient robots enslaving mankind, stated: "It's not that we should fear machines becoming human, we should fear humans becoming more machine."

The cold logic of exterminating the excess population, etc.

But today, that statement still holds. AI is not the problem but Big Tech that is enforcing, with ever greater coercion, conformity-- all of us into tidy silos they can control; those who don't fit, removed, canceled.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (29rl5)

154 Or you could just enforce the existing gun laws. So many crimes involving a gun are pled down to exclude that charge.

You could reduce murders by 90% if being a felon in possession of a firearm or using a firearm in the commission of a violent felony carried an automatic prison term - no plea bargains.

Which is why blue cities won't do it.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (2tUFv)

155 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (b4YBS)

156 If I were king , that COVID money would have been used to build more prisons and pay the prison staff better. That would benefit both the prisoners and the public. That’s my prison reform. Not letting criminals out earlier because of ‘ perceived inequities ‘ .

Also I would have separate prisons based on the crime you have committed or have committed in the past. No more going to prison as a criminal college. Graduating as a more knowledgeable criminal,

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (MNhXM)

157 There is no "gun violence" problem in the USA.

There is a "black male aged 12-55 violence" problem.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (17s+e)

158 *shakes head sadly*
-boob culture
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

I love it when boob culture shakes

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:40 AM (xcxpd)

159 149 In other words cops are pussies.

we prefer the term "bottoms"

Posted by: the Fuzz at July 06, 2023 11:40 AM (us2H3)

160 Nicely said, CBD, and it requires constant repetition.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 06, 2023 11:41 AM (Mzdiz)

161 Cops aren't made of steel. How would you like to get into multiple daily altercations? The body can only take so much.

Then find another line of work.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:41 AM (ZoeSo)

162 the plan in 2016 was Cankles would be President and by now, they would have been confiscating weapons, paying for sex changes and abortions,reparations, bombing Russia, etc

even Mich thought she would win. The charade of stopping Garland was just so much BS. Mitch did it only to pad his own credentials.

Trump upset all that and they are looking for payback
Posted by: REDACTED at July 06, 2023 11:36 AM (us2H3)

I'll go a step further. COVID was the planned means to allow Cankles to accomplish a lot of that. Using COVID to get rid of Trump / instill a "fortified" puppet was Plan B. The destruction of any semblance of election integrity was baked into the plan.

Posted by: Doof at July 06, 2023 11:41 AM (2NDcH)

163 128 Yeah, you do. Just look at the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. That's what Western Government will do with a largely unarmed populace.

Have the cops start arresting people for social media posts.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (2tUFv)

That's already happened here a couple of times. And there have been many more arrests of people - usually Christians or pro-life folk - engaged in Constitutionally protected free speech. So have no illusions about that.

Posted by: First Amendment? What's that? at July 06, 2023 11:42 AM (dE+9W)

164 148 >> I’ve had background checks by the DOD, DOE, and DHS, and that’s just for jobs I’ve had.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 06, 2023 11:42 AM (JTwsP)

165 If you look at the action of the old M3 grease gun, you quickly realize that any gun control is doomed to failure. People can make fully auto guns quite easily

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:42 AM (p8A+W)

166 Boy, at the very least I'd think we'd agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America, amirite?

Therefore, all military vehicles given or sold to police and local LEOs will be forfeited, to be destroyed or bought back by the federal government.

Likewise, ALL weapons of war in the hands of any government agency other than the military shall be returned to military arsenals.

Fair enough?

Do I need the sarc tag?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 06, 2023 11:43 AM (FCbAQ)

167 It goes without saying that our side has none of that now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:37 AM (i9ffA)
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Actually, if that ever did happen the only military leaders worth having would be ours.

Posted by: Black JEM at July 06, 2023 11:43 AM (UVyKP)

168 Cops are agents of the state and mostly rational actors in a system that has largely been co-opted, like everything else, by marxism and critical theory.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 06, 2023 11:43 AM (up/3i)

169 *shakes head sadly*
-boob culture
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

I love it when boob culture shakes
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:40 AM (xcxpd)

It's starting to shake. It's starting to shimmy!

Posted by: Doof at July 06, 2023 11:43 AM (2NDcH)

170 Nah. Intellectually honest. Naive, maybe. But not dumb. The man [Phil Donohue] gave folks like Milton Friedman a forum - and when you watch the show, he'd give Milton leading questions in the good way. Like a volleyball serve. Donahue was an old school Classical Liberal.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:32 AM (ZoeSo)

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Agreed. He had Ayn Rand on a couple of times (think you can still find videos online) and it was almost painful to watch her eviscerate him.

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:43 AM (ul9wx)

171 The mere possibility that someone is armed should be enough to dissuade someone from attempting to do harm. It might have been the case years ago, with certain demographics and localities, but I don't think it's the case anymore.

It's not uncommon for me to observe individuals who are strapped or openly carrying here. I carry. So I tend to look around when I'm in a store or wherever.

It also not uncommon to hear gun fire. Plenty of open space and everyone around me is armed and likes to shoot. And bitch about the government.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 06, 2023 11:43 AM (Q4IgG)

172
There is a "black male aged 12-55 violence" problem.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (17s+e)

Black homicide rate by age, per 100,000 (same study I cited):
1-14 years: 3.3
15-24: 86.8
25-44: 75,3
44-64: 21.9
65+: 8.1

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 11:44 AM (MoZTd)

173 158 *shakes head sadly*
-boob culture
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

I love it when boob culture shakes
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:40 AM (xcxpd)

========

*bounces excitedly at the attention*
-boob culture

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

174 Have the cops start arresting people for social media posts.

Absolutely. Lookup: Douglas Mackey

He is looking at ten years for a Twitter post.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:45 AM (p8A+W)

175
Likewise, ALL weapons of war in the hands of any government agency other than the military shall be returned to military arsenals.

No citizen should be able to own a weapon more powerful than the Presidential detail of the Secret Service.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 11:45 AM (MoZTd)

176 149 In other words cops are pussies.

Cops aren't made of steel. How would you like to get into multiple daily altercations? The body can only take so much. Though are there some people, not everyone who does martial arts with pads and rules does it everyday.

Besides, fights lead to things like getting bit, or being exposed to weapons, or being videoed and being put on trial over a selective edit. Clothes get torn, dirtied up, covered in body waste. Things on the Batman Utility belt get lost or broken. Occasionally one runs against the bath salt or PCP guy, and you need a team to subdue.

Not worth it when the city council hates your guts and trash talks you in public at every opportunity.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:38 AM (p8A+W)

But that's the gig they're signing up for. In fact, cops are the compromise we make for not dealing with problems on our own. It is a way to protect criminals, not....certain citizens. A cop who won't fight is useless or worse. A cop who won't go after criminals is a fraud.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:45 AM (xcxpd)

177 Law journals have long used affirmative action to select student editors as well as articles for publication.
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But Obama-- the one and only president of the law journal to not be published-- was super, totally qualified on merit, not skin color.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (29rl5)

178 Modern Gun Culture in America is embarrassing and form of cuckoldry.
The State has literally told parents and citizens that the State-Corporate Union owns your kids and commits horrible crimes against all of them 24/7/365 from the air, food and water to the brainwashing in schools, music, books, movies, and mass media.

Posted by: Eagle Lips at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (exeWe)

179 you look at the action of the old M3 grease gun, you quickly realize that any gun control is doomed to failure. People can make fully auto guns quite easily …

But you have to realize if the government was able to implement gun control and confiscate weapons ( big if) that they would also subsequently implement harsh penalties and carry them out for possession of a weapon. Ironically something they don’t do now.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (MNhXM)

180 We don't have a problem culture with guns in America. We have a problem race that has a problem with its culture.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (gmo/4)

181 A question for y'all legal firearm owners? How many background checks have you done? How many security clearances have you had? How many multi-million dollar weapons systems have you been responsible for? Yeah, me too. That's America.
Posted by: Eromero

Fun fact: I had the full law enforcement anal probe at 19 when I became a commissioned security guard. Couldn't buy the gun or the bullets, but I could carry it at work.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (g40eP)

182 We need book regulation. Some books are so large and hard-bound as to make them assault books; people have died from being assaulted by them. Folks should be limited to no more than 1 book a month with less than 100 pages, and should be paper-back (as hardbound are the assault versions).

/sarc

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

183 99 . . . As my man Milton Friedman once asked Phil Donahue, where do you think all these angels are going to come from ?
Posted by: Roll Me Away
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"The number of saintly men has not yet risen to the level where the census makes them a separate statistical category." ---George Stigler

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at July 06, 2023 11:47 AM (gf7Ez)

184 I think we all recognize that the push for gun control is to maximize gun violence as well as all other types of violence. We know this because they are always proposing ways to take guns away from nonviolent people and finding ways to maintain criminals' access to guns, even going so far as to provide them.

Posted by: Emmie -- ArkanOklaMoMe RSVP by July 7, please! at July 06, 2023 11:47 AM (Emce2)

185 There is no "gun violence" problem in the USA.

There is a "black male aged 12-55 violence" problem.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 06, 2023 11:39 AM (17s+e)

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Itself largely the result of the absence of black fathers married and in the home.

Is there nothing that Uncle Sugar, the Welfare State, and Free Shit Army (BIRM thrice) can't do?

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (ul9wx)

186 But that's the gig they're signing up for. In fact, cops are the compromise we make for not dealing with problems on our own. It is a way to protect criminals, not....certain citizens. A cop who won't fight is useless or worse. A cop who won't go after criminals is a fraud.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:45 AM (xcxpd)

It's also to avoid a blood feud process. But yes, if a cop isn't prepared to deal with dangerous criminals, what use are they? Glorified meter maids?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)

187 185 Is there nothing that Uncle Sugar, the Welfare State, and Free Shit Army (BIRM thrice) can't do?
Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (ul9wx)

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Get a tranny laid?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)

188 We need book regulation. Some books are so large and hard-bound as to make them assault books; people have died from being assaulted by them. Folks should be limited to no more than 1 book a month with less than 100 pages, and should be paper-back (as hardbound are the assault versions).

/sarc
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)
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You say that sarcastically, yet books contain *ideas* which are infinitely more dangerous to the regime than mere bullets.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (YIVH2)

189 181 A question for y'all legal firearm owners? How many background checks have you done? How many security clearances have you had? How many multi-million dollar weapons systems have you been responsible for? Yeah, me too. That's America.
Posted by: Eromero

Fun fact: I had the full law enforcement anal probe at 19 when I became a commissioned security guard. Couldn't buy the gun or the bullets, but I could carry it at work.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (g40eP)

Kali back in the early 90's...needed a Basic Firearms Test certificate, Kali and Fed background check, then had to wait what ever the waiting period was back then. Today? Not entirely sure, but much worse. Oh, and can't have assault magazines (that carry more than 7 rounds)! Because NOBODY needs more than that many for self defense (even from 3 or 4 attackers)! /sarc

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

190

We should have picked our own cotton...

Posted by: Vulgarian at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (L76ku)

191 The idea of an insurrection comes up every so often, but it's useful to remember any effort like that requires 3 things as prerequisites: 1) a strong organization 2) a coherent plan, widely accepted, and 3) respected, effective Leadership.

This is why almost all successful insurrections throughout history have required at least part of whatever Army was in place to spearhead them. Even the American Revolution would have gone nowhere without Washington, who was already a respected military leader who could recruit experienced military men to join him. It goes without saying that our side has none of that now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:37 AM (i9ffA)

But yet, a single shooter with mediocre skills more or less shut down Washington DC a few years ago.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (BdMk6)

192 If you look at the action of the old M3 grease gun, you quickly realize that any gun control is doomed to failure. People can make fully auto guns quite easily
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 06, 2023 11:34 AM

To quote a certain gun vlogger, "toob".

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (Wnv9h)

193 187 185 Is there nothing that Uncle Sugar, the Welfare State, and Free Shit Army (BIRM thrice) can't do?
Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (ul9wx)

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Get a tranny laid?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)

Not yet. In some European countries, IIRC, there is a "right" to sex...and Gov't pays hookers in some cases.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

194 "Chicago had quite a run over the 4th. Freaking war zone. The problem is not the guns, it's the unstable people who manage to get their hands on them.
Posted by: sTevo"

Hey Jackass website does a great job of tracking the mayhem and breaking down the statistics. I'm a little surprised it hasn't been shut down. Probably on the list.

Posted by: Ripley at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (KrJTL)

195 Authorities are investigating a since-deleted social media page belonging to the accused (Philadelphia) gunman, 40-year-old Kimbrady Carriker, that includes a series of posts about guns, the Second Amendment and the “loss of freedoms,” according to a law enforcement source.

I have the feeling that most mass murderers are Republicans, at least during the last 7 years. I would like to see some stats on this. There must be a study someplace.

Roommates (and surely others) KNEW this guy was dangerous and did NOTHING. Seems to be a trend.

On day of shooting, some tried to paint him as a liberal, Democrat, BLM, etc

Trans. That one was going around pretty hard too. Apparently everybody who commits a mass shooting now is transgender.

I don't know "who" tried to paint him as liberal. Him supporting BLM and his "cross-dressing" were gleaned from his own Facebook page. Authorities have taken the page down now, but not before reporters saw it.

Well, they supported Trump, guns, and hated Biden as well, far more than I have seen 'BLM' stuff!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

196 Black males are the Zulu Light Infantry of the Dem Party. They figured this out in 1968 when it was them that were taking the beating. They've reversed the target list and are now the Zulu LI's biggest cheerleading squad while importing their replacements.

Posted by: Pudinhead at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)

197 Archbishop slams Synod on Synodality for contradicting Church Tradition, pushing ‘globalist Agenda 2030’

Argentinian Archbishop Hector Aguer warned that Pope Francis' Synod is trying to create a 'new progressive Church' that resembles Protestantism.

Aguer mentioned that he has known Pope Francis personally for 45 years. He likened Francis and the authors of the Synod documents to “second causes” through which God permits evil to happen.

“I recognize and venerate Francis as the Successor of Peter, Vicar of Christ,” he wrote. “But Francis is still Jorge Bergoglio. Now, I have known Jorge Bergoglio for 45 years. He is a ‘second cause.’”

Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (fs1hN)

198 But that's the gig they're signing up for. In fact, cops are the compromise we make for not dealing with problems on our own. It is a way to protect criminals, not....certain citizens.

It is to perform two very different use cases:

• Be the violence behind municipal agenda
• protect criminals from the citizens.

The city needs ad hoc tax collectors. (fines, etc.)
They commission men with guns to drive around at night looking for trouble.

Since I don't care to house and feed a burglar for a number of months or years in my personal prison, nor do I want to chase the criminal around until I get reasonable restitution, nor do I want elevate burglary into a capital crime, we do policing collectively. Or at least in theory until the activists got involved.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (p8A+W)

199 It's also to avoid a blood feud process. But yes, if a cop isn't prepared to deal with dangerous criminals, what use are they? Glorified meter maids?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)

You can bring up examples of both sides. Bravery and cowardice. Unfortunately for the law enforcement profession, the bad examples are what you are going to see publicized most.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (MNhXM)

200 We need book regulation. Some books are so large and hard-bound as to make them assault books; people have died from being assaulted by them. Folks should be limited to no more than 1 book a month with less than 100 pages, and should be paper-back (as hardbound are the assault versions).

/sarc

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

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The best retort to the subordinate clause of the 2nd Amendment that the commies rely on to deny individuals the right to keep and bear arms is to phrase it in the following way:

"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict "the right of the people to keep and read Books" only to "a well-educated electorate?" Of course not ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (Mdfxc)

201 191 The idea of an insurrection comes up every so often, but it's useful to remember any effort like that requires 3 things as prerequisites: 1) a strong organization 2) a coherent plan, widely accepted, and 3) respected, effective Leadership.

This is why almost all successful insurrections throughout history have required at least part of whatever Army was in place to spearhead them. Even the American Revolution would have gone nowhere without Washington, who was already a respected military leader who could recruit experienced military men to join him. It goes without saying that our side has none of that now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:37 AM (i9ffA)

But yet, a single shooter with mediocre skills more or less shut down Washington DC a few years ago.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (BdMk6)

Which tends to indicate more of a "central government collapses and country becomes a bunch of warlord-lead states" scenario than a coup with a new stable government.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (eYoxG)

202 Prior to LBJ and the great society, Black families were overwhelming two parent. Black families also were generationally upwardly mobile.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (gmo/4)

203 I have the feeling that most mass murderers are Republicans, at least during the last 7 years. I would like to see some stats on this. There must be a study someplace.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

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Think the gang members responsible for most mass shootings in America have really solid opinions on the proper role of government regulation?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (LvTSG)

204 But yet, a single shooter with mediocre skills more or less shut down Washington DC a few years ago.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (BdMk6)
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True, as an act of terrorism. In an event of real conflict he'd be dealt with quickly.

Posted by: Black JEM at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (UVyKP)

205 It goes without saying that our side has none of that now.

Posted by: Tom Servo

The funny thing is, that may not last. They've been doing a grand job of running off the decent soldiers over the past several years--probably more than a few officers, too. Enough to form the core of a large scale insurgency? Possibly, though I doubt it.

Organization has been pre-empted by gov't infiltrating every possible forum, but the determined find ways...even under an oppressor's nose.

Right now localized groups could probably come together, but coordinating large scale would be an issue. (Antifa and the likes can manage it because they have tacit support from TPTB.) If something changed that calculus...watch out.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (OUMaO)

206 You can bring up examples of both sides. Bravery and cowardice. Unfortunately for the law enforcement profession, the bad examples are what you are going to see publicized most.
Posted by: polynikes

The 99% bad apples ruin it for the 1% good apples.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (g40eP)

207 188 We need book regulation. Some books are so large and hard-bound as to make them assault books; people have died from being assaulted by them. Folks should be limited to no more than 1 book a month with less than 100 pages, and should be paper-back (as hardbound are the assault versions).

/sarc
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)
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You say that sarcastically, yet books contain *ideas* which are infinitely more dangerous to the regime than mere bullets.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (YIVH2)

Ideas are the most dangerous, and can also be spread by mouth, TV, radio, and other means. That's why the leftists want control of it all and want the power to declare some ideas verboten.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

208 Alexander Lukashenko today announced that Prigozhin walks the streets of St. Petersburg a free man

Posted by: SMOD at July 06, 2023 11:53 AM (RHGPo)

209 I don't know "who" tried to paint him as liberal. Him supporting BLM and his "cross-dressing" were gleaned from his own Facebook page. Authorities have taken the page down now, but not before reporters saw it.

Well, they supported Trump, guns, and hated Biden as well, far more than I have seen 'BLM' stuff!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

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One comment: The authorities are scrubbing his social media.
Second comment: I have receive narrative updates from social media.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

210 Posted by: Muldoon at July 06, 2023 11:22 AM (kXYt5)

How did your proposed survey of that land turn out?

Posted by: pookysgirl, wondering at July 06, 2023 11:53 AM (dtlDP)

211 No citizen should be able to own a weapon more powerful than the Presidential detail of the Secret Service.

I've said it a million times. I'm willing to discuss gun control, as far as what police as well as the citizenry can carry outside their homes.

Since my state gives State Police MRAPs, crew served weapons, and explosives ? We're a long way from worrying about my arsenal. Start with removing the weapons of the State Police.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 11:53 AM (ZoeSo)

212 Not yet. In some European countries, IIRC, there is a "right" to sex...and Gov't pays hookers in some cases.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

Um...which countries? I may need to broaden my horizons.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

213 It's also to avoid a blood feud process. But yes, if a cop isn't prepared to deal with dangerous criminals, what use are they? Glorified meter maids?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)

Revenue collectors. Which I would posit is what the vast majority of traffic enforcement is all about.

Posted by: Dadburn revenooers! at July 06, 2023 11:54 AM (dE+9W)

214
Cops aren't made of steel. How would you like to get into multiple daily altercations? The body can only take so much. Though are there some people, not everyone who does martial arts with pads and rules does it everyday.

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I get that. Then do something else for a living.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 11:54 AM (Cr2ZZ)

215 "I have the feeling" is the Gold Standard for a liberal fact-check.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 06, 2023 11:54 AM (PiwSw)

216 "There is definitely a gun culture in the inner cities. It just isn't the same one you and I are part of. "

it is the small version of the Nuclear Club and mutually assured destruction ... Man with gun has the power. But the inner city drug culture and terrible education, makes them more likely to go off half cocked.

Plus inner city, the drug lords run the place, no go zones to some degree. Gentle Giant in Ferguson felt comfortable robbing a store and walking down the middle of the street in front of a cop, then wrestling with the cop to take his gun. (and that was after Trayvon)

But the black druggies are made into heroes ... martyrs when they die fighting cops. Saint George being the most insane example.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 06, 2023 11:55 AM (Cus5s)

217 Yeah, it's all just The Coloureds. They can't be trusted.

Before we had them, we had to rely on The Dagoes, The Spiccs, Duh Slobs, and Those Other People. Sooner or later you work your way down the list to The Irish, and y'r worship, that's when the fight began.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 06, 2023 11:55 AM (4PZHB)

218 You say that sarcastically, yet books contain *ideas* which are infinitely more dangerous to the regime than mere bullets.

Historically speaking, churches, taverns and coffee shops have been the most dangerous entities to tyrannical government.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 11:55 AM (p8A+W)

219
Phil Donahue

Posted by: Roll Me Away

One of the dumbest humans ever spawned.
Posted by: BignJames

He married THAT GIRL

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (63Dwl)

220 212 Not yet. In some European countries, IIRC, there is a "right" to sex...and Gov't pays hookers in some cases.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

Um...which countries? I may need to broaden my horizons.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

It might have been Belgium...it was some guy in a wheelchair.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

221 As a man who has actually made a rifle from scratch I can say it isn't that easy to build them. Even a simple grease gun requires precision machining of the bolt, and reliable magazines are an absolute bitch to get right.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (pohLc)

222 The 99% bad apples ruin it for the 1% good apples.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (g40eP)

That is certainly the perception. Incorrect in my opinion but perception can be stronger than the truth .

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (MNhXM)

223 Not yet. In some European countries, IIRC, there is a "right" to sex...and Gov't pays hookers in some cases.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

Second look at expatriation...

Posted by: I shall sell all that I have and follow subsidized poontang at July 06, 2023 11:57 AM (dE+9W)

224 Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 06, 2023 11:55 AM (4PZHB)

Don't forget me, I'm a Bohunk.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:57 AM (gmo/4)

225 Didn't look yet but seeing a Google news there might be video of the Oceanview implosion

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2023 11:57 AM (b4YBS)

226 Depends on whether you favor the Euroweenie 9mm, or the hallowed1911 of our ancestors.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2023 11:12 AM (a3Q+t)

OR you could go with JMB's ACTUAL pistol masterpiece, the HiPower.

/light fuse, walks away...

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (N1DT3)

227 The funny thing is, that may not last. They've been doing a grand job of running off the decent soldiers over the past several years--probably more than a few officers, too. Enough to form the core of a large scale insurgency? Possibly, though I doubt it.

Organization has been pre-empted by gov't infiltrating every possible forum, but the determined find ways...even under an oppressor's nose.

Right now localized groups could probably come together, but coordinating large scale would be an issue. (Antifa and the likes can manage it because they have tacit support from TPTB.) If something changed that calculus...watch out.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (OUMaO)

The natural turnover in the military into the civilian population is plenty for a core.

Infiltration matters a lot less in practice than is commonly thought. The communist revolution in Russia was infiltrated by Tsarist forces at the highest levels.

Leadership figures is pretty much just what is lacking.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (eYoxG)

228 220 212 Not yet. In some European countries, IIRC, there is a "right" to sex...and Gov't pays hookers in some cases.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

Um...which countries? I may need to broaden my horizons.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

It might have been Belgium...it was some guy in a wheelchair.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

New look at Bruges...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (xcxpd)

229 Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (gmo/4)

230 O/T humor ["Drug-Sniffing Dog after visiting Hunter Biden's House:]

https://is.gd/Yus4QC

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (ul9wx)

231 229 Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (gmo/4)

Might not be a good reason, but a reason...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

232 But yet, a single shooter with mediocre skills more or less shut down Washington DC a few years ago.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (BdMk6)

A single shooter with mediocre skills started WW1 and changed the entire world. But that didn't mean that things turned out very well for the side he supported.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:59 AM (i9ffA)

233 Cops aren't made of steel. How would you like to get into multiple daily altercations? The body can only take so much. Though are there some people, not everyone who does martial arts with pads and rules does it everyday.

------

I get that. Then do something else for a living.

I could see a four-years-and-out sort of program for guys out of high school and trying to figure out life before settling on a career. Maybe have some sort of technical college as part of the program so the short-time LEOs can move on to HVAC repair or plumbing after getting through their ten-feet-tall-and-bullet-proof stage of life.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (p8A+W)

234 Prigozhin plummets out a window a free man

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (PVx3i)

235
Don't forget me, I'm a Bohunk.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:57 AM (gmo/4)

Jak se máš?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (MoZTd)

236 Historically speaking, churches, taverns and coffee shops have been the most dangerous entities to tyrannical government.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

Tun Tavern.
Birthplace of the Devil Dogs.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (g40eP)

237 The 99% bad apples ruin it for the 1% good apples.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (g40eP)

That is certainly the perception. Incorrect in my opinion but perception can be stronger than the truth .
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (MNhXM)

When cops do a widespread refusal of enforcing edicts, because the mayor or governor is simply wrong and acting against the State Constitution, I'll listen to how great these angels in blue are.

I know of one instance - Dallas during the Covid and BLM crap - where the union defied the mayor and refused to obey orders. And that's it. And I have zero evidence of cops self-policing their own ranks and putting other cops in line regarding enthusiastic enforcement of various capricious rules.

I said it earlier - certain folks choose to forget what went on in 2019 and 2020.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (ZoeSo)

238 I blame the rap music for making the cullid folks so violent.

All the lyrics be about ridin dirty, knocking boots wit da hoes, blastin homies with my nina, rape, smoking weed, smacking ho’s upside da head, lettin my Glock go boom, rape and more weed.

On second thought, being a rap star doesn’t sound too bad.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (R/m4+)

239 232 But yet, a single shooter with mediocre skills more or less shut down Washington DC a few years ago.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 11:49 AM (BdMk6)

A single shooter with mediocre skills started WW1 and changed the entire world. But that didn't mean that things turned out very well for the side he supported.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:59 AM (i9ffA)

That's a fair thing to keep in mind, the collapse of the government means we're rolling the dice here.

But at some point rolling the dice looks a lot more favorable than the alternative.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (eYoxG)

240 @225

>>Didn't look yet but seeing a Google news there might be video of the Oceanview implosion

Video of sub implosion.

https://tinyurl.com/2z5u256u

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 06, 2023 12:01 PM (up/3i)

241 203 I have the feeling that most mass murderers are Republicans, at least during the last 7 years. I would like to see some stats on this. There must be a study someplace.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 06, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)
=========
Think the gang members responsible for most mass shootings in America have really solid opinions on the proper role of government regulation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM

If this is true, Dems must LOVE mass shooters! Means one Republican voter can't vote anymore, and by definition, 3 or more permanent Dem voters are created!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at July 06, 2023 12:01 PM (JCZqz)

242 A single shooter with mediocre skills started WW1 and changed the entire world. But that didn't mean that things turned out very well for the side he supported.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 11:59 AM (i9ffA)

Well they did get a unified Balkans for a while which was the goal. Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 12:01 PM (MNhXM)

243 231 229 Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (gmo/4)

Might not be a good reason, but a reason...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

Stereotypes exist because a significant number of members of a group do that stereotype. It may be a good or bad thing to use that stereotype to paint all members of the group with the same brush. But the stereotype itself existing is neutral, neither good or bad. It’s like 1+1 = 2 isn’t good or bad. It just is.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 12:01 PM (Cr2ZZ)

244 As a man who has actually made a rifle from scratch I can say it isn't that easy to build them. Even a simple grease gun requires precision machining of the bolt, and reliable magazines are an absolute bitch to get right.

CNC machines are getting down-right affordable for a tight knit community of men of action.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 12:02 PM (p8A+W)

245
How many times have you had this conversation?

"Anyone who owns an AR15 InfantBlaster is a murderer, or a murderer-in-waiting. All of them should be hanged as criminals."

"I own an AR15."
....

"Oh, I don't mean YOU..."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2023 12:02 PM (n+4am)

246 Ask any of these DU posters who was James Hodgkinson. 10 to 1 they don’t know,

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)

247 Jak se máš?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (MoZTd)

Чувствам се добре!

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 12:03 PM (gmo/4)

248 Which tends to indicate more of a "central government collapses and country becomes a bunch of warlord-lead states" scenario than a coup with a new stable government.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 11:52 AM (eYoxG)

That might be the only solution to the immediate problem. Warlords make alliances and unions. Eventually they agree to form a nation.

It may take a few generations, but if history bears out, it will happen.

We can't go on much longer as a country with this government the way it is now.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2023 12:04 PM (BdMk6)

249 How many times have you had this conversation? "Anyone who owns an AR15 InfantBlaster is a murderer, or a murderer-in-waiting. All of them should be hanged as criminals."

I have this down to a science. Lets start with the police. If it's a weapon of war, lets get it off the streets. Easiest place to start is law enforcement.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 12:04 PM (ZoeSo)

250 The other interesting thing about the Soda Can Implosion Video I linked has a coffee maker that has a time on it that is about the time the the actual Titan Sub imploded.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 06, 2023 12:04 PM (up/3i)

251 And I have zero evidence of cops self-policing their own ranks and putting other cops in line regarding enthusiastic enforcement of various capricious rules.

Very Simple Solution:

Make the Police Unions open to civil lawsuits. One of their members does some shit, the victim or his estate can file a claim.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 12:04 PM (p8A+W)

252 Tun Tavern.
Birthplace of the Devil Dogs.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (g40eP)

We of the Senior Service salute you!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 06, 2023 12:05 PM (e4fEA)

253 Court Rules Satanic Temple Can’t Claim Killing Babies in Abortions is a Protected Religious Ritual

https://tinyurl.com/2s4j232x

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 06, 2023 12:05 PM (rH9Ii)

254 It might have been Belgium...it was some guy in a wheelchair.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

New look at Bruges...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (xcxpd)

--------

Should we set up a GiveSendGo to buy Mark a wheelchair?

* Cue "I've got two wheels to paradise ..." *

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 12:05 PM (ul9wx)

255 > Didn't look yet but seeing a Google news there might be video of the Oceanview implosion

The New Yorker has an excellent article about the engineering disaster that took place years before the implosion. One inspector took photographs of the carbon fiber shell by shining a light through the layers that were de-laminating.

Stockton Rush took every warning as a personal affront and reflexively dismissed them all by telling himself his innovations were upsetting the stodgy defenders of the status quo.

Much more info here:
https://tinyurl.com/3fj38y7p

Posted by: bonhomme at July 06, 2023 12:05 PM (eyxn4)

256 When it breaks down, and it will break down, the 'government' will institute death penalty for firearm posession. Cut and dry. That's when the military will kill American citizens, and that's when the long slow crawl back starts. Some military will join, Colonels and below will work from the inside. Boys will become David, GrandPas will become Cincinattus. Read the Survivor series by James Wesley, Rawles.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2023 12:06 PM (Uv0D2)

257 Before we had them, we had to rely on The Dagoes, The Spiccs, Duh Slobs, and Those Other People. Sooner or later you work your way down the list to The Irish, and y'r worship, that's when the fight began.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 06, 2023 11:55 AM (4PZHB)

DaFuq? We don't even make the cut?

Posted by: Polacks and Krauts at July 06, 2023 12:06 PM (FCbAQ)

258 Very Simple Solution:

Make the Police Unions open to civil lawsuits. One of their members does some shit, the victim or his estate can file a claim.

Yep. It's absolutely insane that you have to get permission, from the government, to sue the government. And that agents acting on behalf of the government have a form of immunity.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 12:06 PM (ZoeSo)

259 The 99% bad apples ruin it for the 1% good apples.
Posted by: rickb223

That is certainly the perception. Incorrect in my opinion but perception can be stronger than the truth .
Posted by: polynikes

The "good apples" that, at minimum "look the other way" when it comes yo bad apples, are, by definition, bad apples.

That's why that number is so high. Perception wise.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 12:06 PM (g40eP)

260 Leadership figures is pretty much just what is lacking.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!

Probably true. But communication would still be an issue. That's why any such outside their ability to directly control, subvert, or monitor is dangerous to them.

Between that and effectively having his own private ICBMs, this makes Elon Musk the most dangerous man alive, where TPTB are concerned. Worse even than Trump, potentially.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at July 06, 2023 12:07 PM (OUMaO)

261 Should we set up a GiveSendGo to buy Mark a wheelchair?

* Cue "I've got two wheels to paradise ..." *
Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 12:05 PM (ul9wx)

Nah, I'm good. But Belgium just made the short list. Plus FN is there....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2023 12:07 PM (xcxpd)

262 When it breaks down, and it will break down, the 'government' will institute death penalty for firearm posession.

You don't need a firearm to topple a city. Just enough know how to cut off vital services.

War is just not bullets flying.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 06, 2023 12:08 PM (p8A+W)

263 there is unconfirmed transcript (that seems real) ... they heard noises, were trying to ascend, more noises ... end of communication.

When "it" finally happened, was probably fast ... could have been some high pressure leaks for a couple seconds first though, idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 06, 2023 12:08 PM (Cus5s)

264 Court Rules Satanic Temple Can’t Claim Killing Babies in Abortions is a Protected Religious Ritual

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Jeebus, as I've been calling the Left for decades: a literal Death Cult.

[Had to click the link to make sure it wasn't The Babylon Bee.]

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 06, 2023 12:08 PM (ul9wx)

265 He married THAT GIRL
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 06, 2023 11:56 AM (63Dwl)

Btta dan hooking up wid phat gurl

Posted by: Stedman at July 06, 2023 12:08 PM (us2H3)

266 But at some point rolling the dice looks a lot more favorable than the alternative.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 06, 2023 12:00 PM (eYoxG)

Someone else who was much more verbose, and who frankly loved showing off put it this way:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2023 12:08 PM (i9ffA)

267 243 231 229 Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Posted by: Archer at July 06, 2023 11:58 AM (gmo/4)

Might not be a good reason, but a reason...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

Stereotypes exist because a significant number of members of a group do that stereotype. It may be a good or bad thing to use that stereotype to paint all members of the group with the same brush. But the stereotype itself existing is neutral, neither good or bad. It’s like 1+1 = 2 isn’t good or bad. It just is.

Posted by: Montec at July 06, 2023 12:01 PM (Cr2ZZ)

Well, not always. Blacks and Mexicans called lazy, for instance. My grandmother was so lazy that she worked fields even ready-to-pop pregnant, and one day, left the field early to pop one of my uncles out when she was showering. You might as well call all whites lazy, lying mother-fuckers because some are, right? Valid stereotype, right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

268
We should have picked our own cotton...
Posted by: Vulgarian

Should have invented nylon sooner.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 06, 2023 12:09 PM (63Dwl)

269 Very Simple Solution:

Make the Police Unions open to civil lawsuits. One of their members does some shit, the victim or his estate can file a claim.

Remove qualified immunity from EVERY civil servant. Let their pensions and homes and bank accounts be on the table. Same as ours are.

Especially the po po when courts have upheld in ALL 50 states that they don't have a duty to protect an individual.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 12:09 PM (g40eP)

270 Nood

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at July 06, 2023 12:10 PM (gf7Ez)

271 @123 Early seasons of Gunsmoke began with Dillon delivering a sermonette on Boot Hill. Several of them from the first two years had him looking forward to the day when no one was allowed to carry a gun. I suspect the fix was more or less in from the beginning.

But on the whole, any story you can't relate in a half hour in black and white, with radio writers, isn't worth telling.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 06, 2023 12:10 PM (4PZHB)

272 If there were a 90% chance of hitting the jackpot on a slot machine I would play that machine every day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 06, 2023 12:11 PM (63Dwl)

273 there is unconfirmed transcript (that seems real) ... they heard noises, were trying to ascend, more noises ... end of communication.

When "it" finally happened, was probably fast ... could have been some high pressure leaks for a couple seconds first though, idk.
Posted by: illiniwek

Either the viewport popped or the seams where the carbon finer tube met the titanium rings gave way. When they did it was over before you could blink.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2023 12:11 PM (g40eP)

274 Carrying weapons, from knives and swords to guns to modern guns, have always throughout history in culture after culture, from Japan to the Punjab to the ancient Saxons to Rome to... anywhere, the rules about who was allowed to be armed ALWAYS defined citizens within a society.

In EVERY society, if we look at who is prohibited from weapons, we see who is not trusted in that society. Foreigners, peasants, women...

Freeing slaves in the United States and *making them citizens* was understood to give them the right to bear arms and people went nuts and started pushing for gun control, so that the people NOT TRUSTED could be kept from legally arming themselves.

The right to bear arms is a declaration of status as a full citizen and person with ownership of the society and a view of that person as someone who supports and strengthens society. In the US it's not the case that the nobility could have guns and subjects could not.

Treating law abiding urban men, treating law abiding Black men, as presumptive criminals and threats is a psychological ROT and antithetical to America and a citizen's status and relationship to the concept of self-rule.

THAT is gun culture.

Posted by: Synova at July 06, 2023 12:12 PM (BD/yx)

275 The soda can implosion is not due to intense outside atmospheric or water pressure but to the immediate cessation of intense molecular movement of the gas in the soda can caused by the transfer of heat energy - to a severe temperature drop in ice water that caused the gas in the can to immediately cease movement (ie rapid expansion to rapid contraction). Same effect though - different means.

Posted by: Boswell at July 06, 2023 12:15 PM (K+UlC)

276 might as well call all whites lazy, lying mother-fuckers because some are, right? Valid stereotype, right?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2023 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

Yes we call them trailer park trash. And yes trailer park trash get mad when you call them that.

Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2023 12:16 PM (MNhXM)

277 Stockton Rush took every warning as a personal affront and reflexively dismissed them all by telling himself his innovations were upsetting the stodgy defenders of the status quo.

Much more info here:
https://tinyurl.com/3fj38y7p
Posted by: bonhomme at July 06, 2023 12:05 PM (eyxn4)
---
I actually chatted with a materials science engineering professor this morning about the OceansGate disaster. He thought using carbon fiber in the design was completely ludicrous. It's not designed for compression strength.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 06, 2023 12:16 PM (YIVH2)

278 You might as well call all whites lazy, lying mother-fuckers because some are, right? Valid stereotype, right?

Those who don't know that most are, don't go outside their own gates very often. White supremacy sounds like a great argument, until you meet a few.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 06, 2023 12:16 PM (4PZHB)

279 "A motivated American insurgency could likely get everything the Taliban had in Mexico."

A lot of it probably purchased by the Mexican merchants from the Taliban

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 06, 2023 12:18 PM (ou9hh)

280 Treating law abiding urban men, treating law abiding Black men, as presumptive criminals and threats is a psychological ROT and antithetical to America and a citizen's status and relationship to the concept of self-rule.

Treat groups as groups. Treat individuals as individuals. As a group ? Urban Black men have earned their stereotype.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at July 06, 2023 12:20 PM (ZoeSo)

281
An armed man cannot be enslaved without his consent.

An armed man always has options when it comes to his own freedom. They may be unpleasant options, such as futile resistance in the face of vastly superior government force, but the option is there to live the rest of your short life as a free man, exercising your own free will.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2023 12:22 PM (n+4am)

282 An armed man cannot be enslaved without his consent.

An armed man always has options when it comes to his own freedom. They may be unpleasant options, such as futile resistance in the face of vastly superior government force, but the option is there to live the rest of your short life as a free man, exercising your own free will.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

And yet we are all slaves in America. And you and everybody else knows it. Stop lying and lying to yourselves.
But maybe a leader will come and save us all and then we will tear his bloodline down after he tries to fight against Marxists to win good boy points until the heritage warrior-leadership stock is depleted. (This has been going on since the late 1800's).

Posted by: Eagle Lips at July 06, 2023 12:34 PM (exeWe)

283 Common sense Gun law reform is repeal of the NFA.

Also incarceration of violent offenders for many years since they are generally repeat offenders and are least likely to rehabilitate. Get rid of no cash bail. Get rid of good time laws for repeat offenders and violent offenders.

Exile Soros and all Soros DA's.

Posted by: JJ at July 06, 2023 01:48 PM (C9ZVc)

284 Awesome post, but we NEED to STOP using the language of the Left. “Gun violence” - why is this bad and all other means of violence OK? Or “gun crime” - why is crime OK except when a gun is involved? Is getting mugged with a knife preferable?

“Gun law reform” is in fact needed - in places like DC, MD, NJ, NY, NYC, IL, CA, and so in. As in massive liberation. Allow people the means to defend themselves and let us all have an adult conversation about the true role of the police, which is the INVESTIGATION of crime. (The police CANNOT “protect and serve” no matter how many times they say it or how much it is painted on their cars, because the police are beholden to physics and human nature. Protection is up to us,)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 06, 2023 01:49 PM (7IPpw)

285 16 - disagree. I point you to my being a headbanger. Check out, for instance, one of my preferred Slayer songs, “Kill Again”, which is all about, as you might expect, killing people.

Number of people I have killed or want to kill - zero.

But then, I was raised by two parents and have morals and scruples that stem from this. I’d argue it’s not the rap (though I am no rap fan beyond Run DMC) but the upbringing - or lack thereof.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 06, 2023 01:57 PM (7IPpw)

286 I was discussing what the left here in California is doing. The schools regularly hold Active Shooter Drills. My wife has witnessed this and the children are absolutely terrified. I can only imagine it is just another form of grooming that the left does to children.

It’s horrible.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at July 06, 2023 02:04 PM (V8yYW)

287 June 14, 2023,I am listening to WWII audiobook today. There is talk about the holocaust and genocide in 1944. That killing Jews, Gypsies, political prisoners, Polish soldiers, mental ill folks and elderly was acceptable in Germany. Post war, the German leadership excuse was that they were following orders, but they knew. That killing 12 million or more was ok. Genocide started small, before the gas chambers and ovens, they would shoot women and even children. What is worse that over a million Germans worked the camps and state machinery allowing these killing. After some time the populace became ok with executions and then it was ok and more efficient with concentration camps.

I tell you this for one simple reason; that a holocaust can happen again for biological evolution is slow, that folks who live next door can and will allow this to occur and even some may help, that the difference between mass shootings and genocide is the 2nd. Best we keep that amendment for they will come for you and your children in a greater way. Least you can take some of them with you or even change the government before it gets that bad. The second is the great equalizer between the state and you.

Posted by: SgtPete at July 06, 2023 04:20 PM (pl8qO)

288 Some Pinheads are already blaming the Gun Store noting how Liberals and the M.S. Media are total idiots

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 06, 2023 06:07 PM (wGqjj)

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