THE MORNING RANT: Awful Executives – United Airlines Edition; Airline Mergers Thwarted; NASA’s Electric Airplane Permanently Grounded

United Airlines’ CEO, Scott Kirby, runs a company that has over 900 airplanes flying thousands of flights per day, but he sometimes has to fly private because of his inability to operate a functioning airline.

He may not be capable of ensuring that he has staffing and crews to operate his airline, and he no longer really bothers with trying to get paying passengers to where they’ve paid to go, but at least he’s using his company to promote radical left-wing political activism, which I’ll get to in just a moment.

This past week, due to (another) total breakdown in the United Airlines system, Mr. Kirby felt the need to charter a private jet to get himself to his destination. What’s important to understand is that Scott Kirby is a very important person who absolutely had to get to his destination. By contrast, the stranded United passengers were just ordinary people trying to go on a dream vacation, or get to a job interview, or rush home to a dying loved one, or any of the other things that less important people do in their lives.

United CEO Apologizes for Flying Private Jet While the Airline Delayed, Canceled Thousands of Flights [NY Post – 7/01/2023]

United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby apologized Friday for flying a private jet this week while passengers were left stranded by thousands of delays and cancelations this week.
Kirby called his decision to reportedly fly from an airport near Newark, New Jersey — where many of the delays and cancelations were occurring — to Denver on Wednesday “wrong” and “insensitive.”
“Taking a private jet was the wrong decision because it was insensitive to our customers who were waiting to get home,” he said in a statement, according to multiple outlets.

Like a true leader, Kirby tried to deflect blame for his airline’s meltdown by pointing the finger at the Federal Aviation Administration and at bad weather. But puzzlingly, the FAA and the weather picked on United more than other airlines.

The airline delayed and canceled more flights in the U.S. this week than any other carrier, which it blamed on bad weather and air traffic control shortages.

There were lots of headlines like these over the past few days, as the entire United system broke down:

“I just want to be home”: United Airlines Cancellations, Delays Continue to Multiply at Denver International Airport:
The airline canceled more than 700 flights and delayed nearly 1,400 in under a week [Denver Post – 6/30/2023]

Travelers Endure Another Day of Airport Agony. One Airline Has by Far the Most Cancellations [Denver Post – 6/29/2023]

It’s apparently the fault of the FAA and bad weather that Mr. Kirby’s airline is so broken that it doesn’t even know how to staff its operation. In fact, it can’t even figure out where its crews are.

United is offering triple pay to flight attendants who are scheduled off this weekend but agree to pick up extra flights, according to their union. The Association of Flight Attendants also said crews calling in for assignments have been put on hold for three hours or longer.
“The airline actually ‘lost’ crews in the system for days on end because there was such a significant breakdown in running the operation,” said Ken Diaz, president of the flight attendants’ group at United. He said the company scheduled summer flights “to the max” even knowing about air traffic control limits in the Northeast.

Does Mr. Kirby have the respect of his employees? Take a look at this picture from just a couple months ago of United pilots and ground crews greeting their CEO with their backs and posteriors. How inspiring!

Of course, Mr. Kirby is the product of a graduate program at an elite university. He has a Master of Science degree in Operations Research from George Washington University.

Scott Kirby earned $9.8 million dollars in 2022. The gate agents dealing with all the customers that United has left stranded in airports earn about $40,000 per year.

Since Mr. Kirby is an awful manager who is despised by United’s employees and its customers, just what does he have to offer? Naturally, he’s a globalist, left-wing activist pushing all of the usual globalist, left-wing nonsense.

He is promising that United will completely stop producing “greenhouse gas emissions.” In other words, he is promising to put United Airlines out of business in service to the globalist, eco-communists.

To be fair, he seems to be doing a pretty good job destroying United, so his WEF puppet-masters should be pretty pleased with his performance to date.

And of course, he’s also all-in on the sexual part of ESG. He may not be properly focused on getting his customers to their destinations, but he is very focused on what they’re doing in their bedrooms.

Back in 2021, Tucker Carlson blasted United and its woke executives for prioritizing identity politics over safety.

'United Airlines Goes Woke': Tucker Carlson Blasts Airline's Push to Have Half of its 5,000 Flight Academy Students be Women or People of Color, as Former Air Traffic Controller Says It's Pandering to PC Culture [Daily Mail – 4/08/2021]

United announced on Tuesday that they will train 5,000 pilots this decade, including taking on applicants with no flying experience. Half of them will be women or people of color.
But Carlson said that United's executives were 'ideologues, suffering from an incurable brain disease called wokeness.' He added: 'Safety is no longer that airline's concern - identity politics is.'

The video of Tucker blasting United’s woke management can be seen at the link above.

The airline industry is now a cartel of quasi-governmental agencies that have been repeatedly bailed out by US taxpayers, and which have all the concern for their customers that you’d expect of such an entity. Quasi-governmental employees should not be making $10 million per year. In fact, no one who is failing at his job should be making $10 million per year.

The fact that left-wing CEOs such as Scott Kirby have such a privileged sense of self, and no respect for customers and working class employees, is typical of the entire globalist elite.

It’s a miracle that airplanes still fly reliably considering that the airlines are led by well-credentialed imbeciles who don’t have the leadership skills to even make sure that their facilities are staffed or that its software functions, and who clearly think of their mechanics, flight attendants, and other staff as nothing more than annoying expenses.

*****

Airline Mergers and Alliances Are Meeting Headwinds

Brace yourself, because I am about to offer some praise for the Biden administration, without snark or sarcasm.

The Biden administration is seeking to block the Jet Blue / Spirit Airlines merger, and it had a recent victory in blocking American Airlines’ partnership with Jet Blue for being anti-competitive.

American and JetBlue Airlines Must End Alliance, US Judge Rules

American Airlines Group must end its alliance with JetBlue Airways Corp a federal judge ruled on Friday, agreeing with the U.S. Justice Department that the arrangement means higher prices for consumers and ordering the companies to part ways within 30 days.

I know that all the principled “free market” purists throughout Conservative, Inc. will be heartsick that Jet Blue and American cannot operate as a cartel to fix prices, but if I am a bad free-market conservative because I prefer competition over cartels, so be it.

The decision represented a victory for President Joe Biden's administration, which has taken a hard line on consolidation and tie-ups in the aviation industry. The Justice Department, six states including Massachusetts as well as the District of Columbia sued in 2021 to unwind the deal announced in 2020, calling the "Northeast Alliance" a "de facto merger" of the American and JetBlue Boston and New York operations that removes incentives for them to compete.
"These two powerful carriers act as one entity in the northeast, allocating markets between them and replacing full-throated competition with broad cooperation," the judge wrote.

Be it Monster Tech, or the airlines, or so many other industries, once they have merged into a non-competitive oligopoly, they become tools of the globalist left and an impediment to personal freedom.

I would advise Republicans to make anti-trust a priority going forward if they don’t want to see working class Americans start voting Democrat again.

*****

NASA Abandons Electric Airplane Project

h/t to friend-of-the-blog George MF Washington who alerted me to this story:

NASA Kills Its Electric Plane’s Flight Plan, Citing Safety Concerns

NASA said today in a conference call with reporters that it would not ever be flying its experimental electric aircraft, the X-57, citing safety concerns that are insurmountable…

“Safety concerns.” Yes, a lithium-ion fire is pretty terrifying when it happens in an electric vehicle on a roadway. At an altitude of 10,000 feet, a lithium-ion fire means you’re in a race between burning to death or dying when your electric plane crashes into the ground.

The X-57 program will wind down without the aircraft ever going up into the sky.

United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby has promised to make United a zero-emission airline. Was he counting on this technology?

So how much taxpayer money was wasted on NASA’s electric ~~Flying Unicorn~~ X-57 project? According to this article at Aviation International News (NASA Wraps Up X-57 Program Without a Flight) more than $87 million of taxpayer money was spent. But was it wasted?

Although the X-57 program failed to achieve a flight test, NASA said the project succeeded at its primary goal, which was to share what it learned with regulators and the aviation industry to help develop certification standards for electric aircraft.

Let me translate. For $87 million NASA has learned that the certification standard for electric airplanes is that they should not be certified for flight. Shocker.

*****

Songs of the Season

Tomorrow is Independence Day! Let’s celebrate American independence with a little Revolutionary-era music: “Soldier’s Joy”

My grandpa played Jimmie Driftwood music for me when I was a little child, including this old tune. As I learned American history, the lyrics of this song fell into place.

Some Continental soldiers on the bivouac
Were playing stud poker in a mountain shack
But every vigilante threw down his hand
When the Captain of the Guard gave a sharp command.
{chorus}
Jimmy get your fiddle out and rosin up the bow
Johnny tune the banjo up we’re gonna have a show
Billy pass the jug around to Corporal McCoy
We’re gonna have a tune called Soldier’s Joy.
The girls in Boston are dancin' tonight
The gall-derned Redcoats are holding them tight
When we get there we will show them howBbut that ain't a doin' us no good now.
There goes General Washington
He's got his horse in a sweeping run
The barefooted boys are a beggin' to fight, and
We're gonna cross the Delaware River tonight.
Old Burgoyne in the wilderness
Got his army in an awful mess
The farmers got mad at the British and Huns, and
Captured ten thousand son of a guns.
John Paul Jones in an old tin can
Scoured the ocean like a fightin' man
The British said Paul are you ready to strike, and
Paul said I'm just beginnin' to fight.
General Washington and Rochambeau
Drinkin' their wine in the campfire's glow
Big Dan Morgan came a gallopin' in,
Said we got Cornwallis in the old Cowpens.
Wake up buddy have you heard the news
Grandma Britain got an awful bruise
The Redcoats cried and cursed Yorktown,
While the band played The World's Turned Upside Down.

“Soldier’s Joy” (Jimmie Driftwood)

The spirit of ’76 still burns within us. Have a blessed and celebratory Independence Day.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 early sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 03, 2023 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

2 Sponge!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:00 AM (ZVVGW)

3 Just reading the Secretary of Gheyness is not working on the airline problems

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2023 11:01 AM (xhxe8)

4 Tomorrow is Independence Day!

Hell, we spotted Great Britain 13 colonies.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:01 AM (ZVVGW)

5 Where's Pete Puffer in all this?

Posted by: BignJames at July 03, 2023 11:02 AM (AwYPR)

6 United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby has promised to make United a zero-emission airline. Was he counting on this technology?

*cough*carbon offsets*cough*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:04 AM (PY/t0)

7 >The X-57 program will wind down without the aircraft ever going up into the sky.

But all the right people got paid

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:04 AM (geLO8)

8 Hiya

Posted by: JT at July 03, 2023 11:04 AM (T4tVD)

9 fuck united. those cocksuckers lose my luggage EVERY TIME i go through ORD.

EVERY DAAMN TIME!!!!

they can die in a fiery crash

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 03, 2023 11:04 AM (Mkvkw)

10 Thank you, Buck! Didn’t United fire pilots who wouldn’t take the jab? Yeah, it’s one thing if Ben and Jerry’s is woke; ice cream won’t get anyone killed. But this nonsense at an airline? Kirby is gonna get people killed….

BTW… kinda off topic, but you can now sign up and pay for Jim Cramer’s fantastic investing advice by joining his club!! I’m sure Cramer is touting United stock…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 03, 2023 11:05 AM (xT8gx)

11 Of course, Mr. Kirby is the product of a graduate program at an elite university. He has a Master of Science degree in Operations Research from George Washington University.

Gotta disagree on one point. GWU is by no means an "elite" university.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:05 AM (eOEVl)

12 Although the X-57 program failed to achieve a flight test, NASA said the project succeeded at its primary goal, which was to share what it learned with regulators and the aviation industry to help develop certification standards for electric aircraft.
Let me translate. For $87 million NASA has learned that the certification standard for electric airplanes is that they should not be certified for flight. Shocker.

Ooh ooh ooh! Do carbon fiber submersibles next!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:05 AM (ZVVGW)

13 Mussolini captured a UFO in 1933.

I blame the metallic orbs.

Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:06 AM (gmo/4)

14
I'd get it if he were saying "I needed to fly there immediately to clear up these delays and get you people moving again."

But, c'mon - he's an American business leader. He hates the customer. That would never happen. And he was flying to Denver. He was probably just going to eat mushrooms at a toney gay orgy or something.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:06 AM (oINRc)

15 Let me translate. For $87 million NASA has learned that the certification standard for electric airplanes is that they should not be certified for flight. Shocker.

You have to look at the bigger picture beyond results, multiple "scientists" and politicians were able to line their pockets. That's Science, buddy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:06 AM (PY/t0)

16 United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby has promised to make United a zero-emission airline. Was he counting on this technology?

*cough*carbon offsets*cough*

Hello. I am Nigerian Prince, and I invented a new plane that has zero emisshuns. Please send $87M to get a pees of this.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:07 AM (eOEVl)

17 87 million here, 87 million there, and pretty soon you have a government plane that cannot fly.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 03, 2023 11:07 AM (RIvkX)

18 I flew Alaska Air last week to Indianapolis.
It was pretty painless. I won't fly United anymore.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:07 AM (xcxpd)

19 As I have written previously, until batteries are as light as jet fuel, there's a problem.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2023 11:08 AM (MeG8a)

20 Website publishers switching to AI, human 'journalists' pissed
https://futurism.com/gizmodo-kotaku-staff-furious-ai-content

Posted by: itbegins at July 03, 2023 11:08 AM (RqMDa)

21 You know, if the CEO of United Airlines used a private jet to fly to Denver so he could hands-on clear up the snarl causing all of United's canceled flights, I could forgive him the optics of it. But he didn't do that, did he?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:08 AM (P5s+8)

22 I have a stupid number of miles with the United mileage program. I think I might reconsider my plan to use them in retirement!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2023 11:09 AM (PHmov)

23 Trump lawsuit victory - New York Attorney General Letitia James case dismissed
https://tinyurl.com/5n8nhbws

Posted by: itbegins at July 03, 2023 11:09 AM (RqMDa)

24 Although the X-57 program failed to achieve a flight test, NASA said the project succeeded at its primary goal, which was to share what it learned with regulators and the aviation industry to help develop certification standards for electric aircraft.

Holy crap. They could have paid me $50 million to share my electric airplane research findings.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 11:09 AM (Ss3pk)

25
You know, if the CEO of United Airlines used a private jet to fly to Denver so he could hands-on clear up the snarl causing all of United's canceled flights, I could forgive him the optics of it. But he didn't do that, did he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:08 AM (P5s+

LOL, see me @ 14.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:09 AM (oINRc)

26 If there was only some relatively safe substance with high energy density...

Posted by: Scratches head at July 03, 2023 11:10 AM (DhOHl)

27 And always remember: "United Breaks Guitars"

https://youtu.be/5YGc4zOqozo

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

28 As I have written previously, until batteries are as light as jet fuel, there's a problem.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2023 11:08 AM (MeG8a)

Maybe they could swoop low over power lines, and drag pickup shoes on the wires.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (P5s+8)

29 26 If there was only some relatively safe substance with high energy density...
Posted by: Scratches head at July 03, 2023 11:10 AM (DhOHl)

*nods*
Dolomite!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)

30 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"

Posted by: Just for the record at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (DhOHl)

31 I used to fly American West a lot. But then they started having problems and jeez, did their service ever suck. I was chatting with a crew once dead-heading to Seattle. They were physically exhausted. I suspect United is at about the same place.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:12 AM (e4fEA)

32 As nuts as Howard Hughes was he knew aviation and ran TWA at a profit.

Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:12 AM (gmo/4)

33 But Leibchen, Paris is Burning at last!
So vie gut that ?

Posted by: Adolph Meinhew at July 03, 2023 11:12 AM (LcRVs)

34 Only Ivanka was dismissed from the lawsuit.

The lawsuit, which was initiated in September 2022, named the Trump Organization, former President Donald Trump, and three of his children, Ivanka, Donald Jr, and Eric, as defendants. The suit claimed that they duped banks, insurance companies, and other institutions about the worth of Trump’s assets, including golf courses and Mar-a-Lago. The Attorney General demanded $250 million in damages and a ban on the Trump family doing business in New York.

The lawsuit does not claim that those banks were harmed at all by these inflated values, but NY is trying to shake down trump for $250 million.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 11:12 AM (Ss3pk)

35 30 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"
Posted by: Just for the record at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (DhOHl)

When you fart in a conservatory.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:12 AM (xcxpd)

36 I have a stupid number of miles with the United mileage program. I think I might reconsider my plan to use them in retirement!

I have a United CC that builds up miles with purchases, but every year, the payoff gets less and less, the available flights get sparser and sparser, and UAL gets more and more intolerable to fly with.

I'm switching my CC to Costco. At least that way, I know what I'm going to get with my bonus miles.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:13 AM (eOEVl)

37 And always remember: "United Breaks Guitars"

https://youtu.be/5YGc4zOqozo
Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (nfrXX)
***

I remember when this happened.
Hilarious!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:13 AM (e4fEA)

38 But it could have worked. Just think how great that would have been.

See also Ukraine beating Russia.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 03, 2023 11:13 AM (17s+e)

39 Is there any airline which is NOT subject to this Three Stooges version of management?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 03, 2023 11:14 AM (J2vNu)

40 NASA Kills Its Electric Plane’s Flight Plan, Citing Safety Concerns

-
So Gaia won't be saved?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 03, 2023 11:14 AM (FVME7)

41 I'd get it if he were saying "I needed to fly there immediately to clear up these delays and get you people moving again."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:06 AM (oINRc)

While it's certain that no one in the MSM would point this out, someone would say that in an age of instantaneous global communications, very few workers and almost certainly no executives ever NEED to travel to deal with emergency work conditions.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 03, 2023 11:14 AM (1Z8zZ)

42 if Jet Blue merges with Spirit Airlines I'll never fly them again. I actually like Jet Blue, how on earth are they thinking this will be good for business?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 03, 2023 11:15 AM (ssESX)

43 Mr. Kirby sounds like a spineless, lying, four flushing sack of shit that needs to hop into my wood chipper feet first.

Sack up Mr. Kirby.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2023 11:15 AM (XqIlw)

44 I don't want an affirmative action performing any service for me, from surgery to making change. I want the most qualified individual, and not some mentally ill screamer.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2023 11:15 AM (Uv0D2)

45 And I had such a hope to see a electric airplane

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (xhxe8)

46 NASA Kills Its Electric Plane’s Flight Plan, Citing Safety Concerns

Well now we can forge ahead with that nuclear airplane we shelved? What could possibly got wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (pmmLi)

47 Independence Day is coming! Independence Day is coming!

Do I watch Jaws or The Music Man? Hmmm. Maybe I can squeeze in both.

Decisions, decisions.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (Wy1BU)

48 Kirby's just giving lip service to the woke. United will be bankrupt by 2030 and his "promises" won't mean shit. He knows this. I know this. Anyone who's been paying attention to the automobile, energy and transportation sectors knows the "promises" of 100% or whatever of "clean/renewable" energy use is bullshit, fake, ghey, and an op.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (Q4IgG)

49 30 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"
Posted by: Just for the record at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (DhOHl)

Anything exhaled or otherwise emitted by a human being or by anything a human being enjoys.

Posted by: Emmie -- ArkanOklaMoMe RSVP by July 7, please! at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (Emce2)

50 Average starting pay for a first officer (co-pilot) at a regional airline is only $75,000. That's the average. 50% are making a lot less. Feel safe?

Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (gmo/4)

51 Where's Hunter?

Cocaine found at the WH.

https://tinyurl.com/434hr3mn

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (eOEVl)

52 Spirit of Seventy Sex was a Bicentennial Costume Drama that brought to life the Founders and Foundettes passion in those bygone days before penicillin. Four Stars ****

Posted by: Raunch Reviews at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (T0tUU)

53 Airlines have been a mess since Airlines were created. The ability to make a profit and still reman customer focused is a juggling challenge.

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (cxHZm)

54
very few workers and almost certainly no executives ever NEED to travel to deal with emergency work conditions.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 03, 2023 11:14 AM (1Z8zZ)

Perhaps not need.

But when the Big Boss shows up, glowering, people get some pep in their step. A lot of an executive's role in any business is performative. Show face and get shit done.

At least that *used to be* the case. Now an executive's role is "bribe Party men, and then take drugs with them at orgies."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (oINRc)

55 It sounds like Kirby should take full responsibility but accept no consequences. That seems to be rule of the day now.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (PY/t0)

56 if Jet Blue merges with Spirit Airlines I'll never fly them again.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 03, 2023 11:15 AM (ssESX)

I actually flew Spirit Airlines once. I then threw away the return and bought a ticket on another airline.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (PHmov)

57 Bring back Republic Airlines - The flying banana

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (OgrpQ)

58 Independence Day is coming! Independence Day is coming!

Do I watch Jaws or The Music Man? Hmmm. Maybe I can squeeze in both.

Decisions, decisions.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023

***
If you do both, you may dream about Robert Preston as shark hunter Quint!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (J2vNu)

59 I read *all* the fecking content.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (GzDfN)

60 47 The Music Man and 1776 are my go-to movies for the 4th.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (xTRSc)

61 Maybe using a sail plane design with electric motors

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2023 11:18 AM (xhxe8)

62 The last time I flew United, around 2000, I gave them my frequent flyer number and the the agent said she had never seen one with only 7 alpha-numerics. I suspect she never has again.

Former 3 X platinum and 5 X gold card member.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 03, 2023 11:18 AM (17s+e)

63 47 Independence Day is coming! Independence Day is coming!

Do I watch Jaws or The Music Man? Hmmm. Maybe I can squeeze in both.

Decisions, decisions.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (Wy1BU)

Joe Dirt... There's some fire works in it....

Posted by: It's me donna at July 03, 2023 11:18 AM (bs+z0)

64 I don't understand why you can't just put solar panels on the airplane? I mean that's easier than dragging that extension cord behind the plane?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 03, 2023 11:18 AM (pmmLi)

65 Take heart! Even if an engine goes out, you'll always have enough kinetic energy to make it to the crash site.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 03, 2023 11:19 AM (FVME7)

66 I actually flew Spirit Airlines once. I then threw away the return and bought a ticket on another airline.

Ditto, although I flew home with them. Never again.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)

67 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"
Posted by: Just for the record at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (DhOHl)

Anything exhaled or otherwise emitted by a human being or by anything a human being enjoys.
Posted by: Emmie -- ArkanOklaMoMe RSVP by July 7, please! at July 03, 2023 11:16 AM (Emce2)

What if I self-identify as a member of a race of beings whose activities produce no CO2, even if we are doing that same things humans would do, in the same manner as humans, and using the same implements as humans? Would disagreeing with me make them transphobes?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 03, 2023 11:19 AM (1Z8zZ)

68 I learned a long time ago to never fly United. There's a reason they're the cheapest. They don't give a flying eff about their cattle, I mean customers, and in fact seem to take great pleasure in abusing them.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at July 03, 2023 11:20 AM (ik/65)

69 At some point in the future, I will have to fly to Hawaii to visit my brother. That is the only time I can imagine myself even boarding an airliner these days. Right now, if I can't drive there, I'm not going.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:20 AM (PY/t0)

70 There's more oil than lithium.

Posted by: It is known at July 03, 2023 11:20 AM (DhOHl)

71 How far can one engine take us?

All the way to the site of the crash. I bet we beat the paramedics by a half an hour.

- Ron White

Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:20 AM (gmo/4)

72 While it's certain that no one in the MSM would point this out, someone would say that in an age of instantaneous global communications, very few workers and almost certainly no executives ever NEED to travel to deal with emergency work conditions.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 03, 2023 11:14 AM (1Z8zZ)

Essentially true up to a point. But CEOs are like generals in war. There are only two things they can do to affect the battle once it has begun. One is to put the right materials and resources at the right place and at the right time. The second is by their physical presence on the battlefield...or in this case, at the right airport where his employees are having the biggest peoblem.

Frankly, if I were an airline CEO, I'd be travelling 300 days a year.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:21 AM (e4fEA)

73 I actually flew Spirit Airlines once. I then threw away the return and bought a ticket on another airline.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (PHmov)

Allegiant Airlines nickle and dimes you to death.
Have a checked bag? $25
Have a carry on bag? $25
Want to pick your seat? $25
Want a seat belt? $25
Want a pilot? $25

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at July 03, 2023 11:21 AM (OgrpQ)

74 Electric vehicles are not a transportation goal, they are a political goal.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 03, 2023 11:21 AM (p+1gI)

75 Right now, if I can't drive there, I'm not going.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:20 AM (PY/t0)

Me too. Basically any place in CONUS is a road trip.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Offering Lame Jokes Aplenty at July 03, 2023 11:21 AM (xPJvm)

76 Remember when flying was fun?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (ATSTk)

77 I don't understand why you can't just put solar panels on the airplane? I mean that's easier than dragging that extension cord behind the plane?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 03, 2023 11:18 AM (pmmLi)

Hey! That gives us an idea!

Posted by: Fly-by-Night Aircraft, Inc. at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (P5s+8)

78 I love airplanes and flying but I despise airlines. My current personal policy is to drive anywhere I can get to in 40 hours or less.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (RG6z4)

79 The Left all watch Born on the 4th of July .

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (cxHZm)

80 Hey! That gives us an idea!
Posted by: Fly-by-Night Aircraft, Inc. at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (P5s+

Better be Fly-By-Day....

Posted by: It's me donna at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (bs+z0)

81 He is promising that United will completely stop producing “greenhouse gas emissions.” In other words, he is promising to put United Airlines out of business in service to the globalist, eco-communists.

I think he's serious. When airplanes sit on the ground with no flight plan, crew, or passengers....that's 0% emissions right?

Posted by: Cheri at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (oiNtH)

82 Remember when flying was fun?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (ATSTk)

Back when we had ashtrays built into the arms of the seat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (PY/t0)

83 But when the Big Boss shows up, glowering, people get some pep in their step. A lot of an executive's role in any business is performative. Show face and get shit done.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (oINRc)

I must admit that when my big boss shows up I put a lot more effort into not mentioning that they're borderline retarded and are running the company into the ground.

I suspect the same would be the case here.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 03, 2023 11:23 AM (1Z8zZ)

84 NASA Kills Its Electric Plane’s Flight Plan, Citing Safety Concerns

Surprising no one but the credentialed experts and administrators who have eagerly hoovered up funding since 2016.

The first prototype, by the way, had 18 propellors.

Posted by: t-bird at July 03, 2023 11:23 AM (e2onP)

85 It sounds like Kirby should take full responsibility but accept no consequences. That seems to be rule of the day now.

I'm sure he has multiple framed posters about Leadership! in his office.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

86 I don't understand why you can't just put solar panels on the airplane? I mean that's easier than dragging that extension cord behind the plane?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 03, 2023 11:18 AM (pmmLi)
===

Just put a windmill on the plane and recharge as you are flying. There's an engineering solution to every problem.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 03, 2023 11:23 AM (17s+e)

87 Independence Day is coming! Independence Day is coming!

Do I watch Jaws or The Music Man? Hmmm. Maybe I can squeeze in both.

Decisions, decisions.
Posted by: Madamemayhem

Independence Day with Will Smith and Bill Putnam.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:24 AM (ZVVGW)

88 Right now, if I can't drive there, I'm not going.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Me too. Basically any place in CONUS is a road trip.
Posted by: Pug Mahon

Word. How else would one visit the Biggest Ball of String, Mufflerman, Buc-ee's, Pedro's or a covered bridge?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 03, 2023 11:24 AM (ATSTk)

89 At some point in the future, I will have to fly to Hawaii to visit my brother. That is the only time I can imagine myself even boarding an airliner these days. Right now, if I can't drive there, I'm not going.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:20 AM (PY/t0)

If only there were vehicles of some sort that could ply the surface of the ocean between North America and mid-ocean islands.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:24 AM (P5s+8)

90 If you people wouldn't fly so much we could keep our delays to a minimum.

Posted by: Scott Kirby CIA CEO at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (17s+e)

91 "sounds like Kirby should take full responsibility but accept no consequences. That seems to be rule of the day now."

I bet he sent his sincere apology after the private plane landed in Denver.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (ssESX)

92 The Outlaw Josey Wales, or maybe The Shootist

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (Uv0D2)

93 I have a million miles on American

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (pmmLi)

94 47 The Music Man and 1776 are my go-to movies for the 4th.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (xTRSc)

"Americathon". Surprised they haven't actually done this yet.

John Ritter is the President if I remember right.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (XqIlw)

95 So, Biden just announced that he is still refusing to declassify some materials relating to the Kennedy assassination, despite a law requiring that all materials relating to the assassination be declassified years ago.

I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)

96 I'm sure he has multiple framed posters about Leadership! in his office.
Posted by: Oddbob

When you have a bad day:
Demotivational Indian Man
https://youtu.be/HjPgdhRsGIQ

Posted by: Tonypete at July 03, 2023 11:26 AM (ATSTk)

97 If only there were vehicles of some sort that could ply the surface of the ocean between North America and mid-ocean islands.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:24 AM (P5s+

monorail ... Monorail ... MONORAIL

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:26 AM (PY/t0)

98 Bad CEOs?
How 'bout that guy who runs Twitter?

Right about when The Party precious aliens light up Fwance access to Twitter for casual users is cut off.

Nott that I give a shit about Twit but it seems like it is the bulletin board of preferernce to those that cannot reallt blog but can take a vid of savages gang raping a corpse... not that anyone in the US would have a problem with aliens raping natives.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 11:27 AM (ga8qR)

99 95
I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)

========

It's all a ruse to protect Ted Cruz's father. Ted Cruz runs the Deep State.

It's obvious.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 03, 2023 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

100 97 If only there were vehicles of some sort that could ply the surface of the ocean between North America and mid-ocean islands.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:24 AM (P5s+

I think Joes gonna build a choo choo over some ocean

Posted by: It's me donna at July 03, 2023 11:27 AM (bs+z0)

101 If only there were vehicles of some sort that could ply the surface of the ocean between North America and mid-ocean islands.

There are, but the facilities are somewhat lacking.

Posted by: Thor Heyerdahl at July 03, 2023 11:27 AM (eOEVl)

102 “Taking a private jet was the wrong decision because it was insensitive to our customers who were waiting to get home,” he said in a statement, according to multiple outlets.
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Probably not.

I think back to the auto bailout when the auto executives flew into Washington on private planes instead of driving. When there's crucial business to be done (business I disagreed with at the time and still do - though that is beside the point), time is of the essence and you have a ton of shit going on otherwise, waiting in line at TSA, waiting for the plane, waiting to get off the plane, etc. all is avoidable time loss if you happen to be rich enough to avoid it and the task at hand is important enough to justify that expense.

I don't resent rich people flying private when they have someplace to be and no time to waste. That isn't a real problem, and it certainly isn't the root problem of a major airline that loses system control.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)

103 The Longest Day, Midway, They Were Expendable, or The Fighting Seabees, of course.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (Uv0D2)

104 Remember when sanctions was going to cause the Russian airline industry to quickly collapse?

Tee, hee!

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (2tUFv)

105 Ladies, gentlemen, and all others.
Welcome aboard Fat Chance Airlines, flight 666, going to where ever we finally land. Here at Fat Chance we do not provide an ETA but rather go with a probability of arrival. So sit back, shut up, and remember, when you need to travel, it's Fat Chance that we can get you there!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (e4fEA)

106 Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 11:27 AM (ga8qR)

?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (eOEVl)

107 No one watching The Patriot today?

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (cxHZm)

108 107 No one watching The Patriot today?
Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (cxHZm)

Good movie.. Hard for me to watch with the church burning scene

Posted by: It's me donna at July 03, 2023 11:29 AM (bs+z0)

109 On hold for three hours to get scheduled for a flight? But Kirby saved money by laying off schedulers, I'll bet.

Posted by: PJ at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (G1dq6)

110 If only there were vehicles of some sort that could ply the surface of the ocean between North America and mid-ocean islands.

I'm fairly sure that once Joe's Pacific Coast to Indian Ocean rail line is finished, there will be a spur to Hawaii.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (nfrXX)

111 “The airline actually ‘lost’ crews in the system for days on end because there was such a significant breakdown in running the operation,” said Ken Diaz, president of the flight attendants’ group at United. He said the company scheduled summer flights “to the max” even knowing about air traffic control limits in the Northeast.
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*That* strikes me as a serious problem. I'd love to know what it means. Does it mean that UAL didn't know who was where, or does it mean that UAL knew who was supposed to be where, but they were off-duty and so couldn't be contacted promptly?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

112 Remember when sanctions was going to cause the Russian airline industry to quickly collapse?

Tee, hee!

https://tinyurl.com/avaxkczk

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (eOEVl)

113 At the conclusion of the miniseries White House Plumbers, they ran a brief epilogue:

on his deathbed, E Howard Hunt may or may not have admitted to the Kennedy assassination

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (geLO8)

114 Completely OT… but I’m watching Wimbledon tennis. I never thought I’d see a better tennis player than vintage Roger Federer circa 2003-2018, but Novak Djokovic has surpassed the great Fed. I’d take Djoker against the entire field in a bet. It’s not even close and he’s coming off Aussie Open and French Open wins…. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins the calendar slam this year. The bonus is he refused the jab…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (xT8gx)

115 He is promising that United will completely stop producing “greenhouse gas emissions.” In other words, he is promising to put United Airlines out of business in service to the globalist, eco-communists.
++++
Nah, he's going to pay the vig by buying carbon credits.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (t0OGg)

116 76 Remember when flying was fun?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (ATSTk)

Flying private jet is fun but I've only gotten to do it twice.

Posted by: Emmie -- ArkanOklaMoMe RSVP by July 7, please! at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (Emce2)

117 A willowed gem from the doctor

350 My niece Rosemary was frustrated about her lack of progress in high school. She felt that she was absorbing the course content okay, but was struggling to put things into a broader contextual framework. The other day at the kitchen table she slammed her textbooks down angrily, saying, "I don't want to be like Solomon, but just a little bit of wisdom would be nice. I told her to just take a deep breath and absorb a little bit each day.

"You'll be partially sage, Rosemary. In time."
Posted by: Muldoon at July 03, 2023 11:05 AM (kXYt5)

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (PY/t0)

118 Act of Valor is one that watch also.
"Whiplash, this is Blackbeard, this will be a hot extract."

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (OgrpQ)

119 Grumpy928(c)-
You say monorail?
- IGY by Steely Dan

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (Uv0D2)

120 Meh, the domestic airlines haven't been any good since Aykroyd and Belushi were flying for Continental.

John, not Jim

Posted by: The guy who relates everything to Aykroyd and Belushi (John, not Jim) at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (kXYt5)

121 55 It sounds like Kirby should take full responsibility but accept no consequences. That seems to be rule of the day now.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:17 AM (PY/t0)

Just about everyone in a position of authority does this. Hell, most of the time they won't even give lip service to responsibility. The buck stops as far away from them as possible.

Posted by: Worthless shits making millions of dollars. Just ain't fair. at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (dE+9W)

122 I would rather fly with Bing and Billy airlines. See movie "The Inlaws", the original with Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 11:32 AM (rLD7a)

123 'United Airlines Goes Woke': Tucker Carlson Blasts Airline's Push to Have Half of its 5,000 Flight Academy Students be Women or People of Color, as Former Air Traffic Controller Says It's Pandering to PC Culture [Daily Mail – 4/08/2021]

--

hahahaha, I was joking when I said

"I don't understand how there could be a shortage of air traffic controllers. There's something like 40% unemployment among black women.

Seems like an easy fix."

on last night's ONT, but that was literally what they were insisting on. And you honkies thought Affirmative Action judges had consequences.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:32 AM (33ek6)

124 Independence Day with Will Smith and Bill Putnam.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:24 AM (ZVVGW)

Hell yeah.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 03, 2023 11:32 AM (VwHCD)

125 115 He is promising that United will completely stop producing “greenhouse gas emissions.” In other words, he is promising to put United Airlines out of business in service to the globalist, eco-communists.
++++
Nah, he's going to pay the vig by buying carbon credits.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (t0OGg)
=========

I need to set up a simple website with a payment option (and perfect SEO), inviting progressives to make investments in carbon credits to offset their carbon uses.

"For $10 a month, you will be doing great things to save the Earth!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 03, 2023 11:32 AM (LvTSG)

126 The NASA specs for the X-57 were a range of 100 miles and endurance of 1 hour.

Way to shoot for the stars, NASA. I wouldn't even want to be trapped in a car with those specs.

Posted by: t-bird at July 03, 2023 11:32 AM (ptElO)

127 The bonus is he refused the jab…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (xT8gx)

How long before other players on the circuit claim he has an unfair advantage because of it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:33 AM (P5s+8)

128 >> He has a Master of Science degree in Operations Research from George Washington University.

Ooohhh, Masters of Science in Operations Research, how fancy sounding for the equivalent of Gender Studies Degree for Logistics.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 03, 2023 11:33 AM (up/3i)

129 He is promising that United will completely stop producing “greenhouse gas emissions.” In other words, he is promising to put United Airlines out of business in service to the globalist, eco-communists.

---------

Windmill-powered airplanes? Brilliant!

Make Perpetual-Motion Machines Great Again!

Posted by: ShainS - Algorithmic Discrimination, Data Inequity/Disparity Mitigator AI Bot at July 03, 2023 11:33 AM (UApqm)

130 "These two powerful carriers act as one entity in the northeast, allocating markets between them and replacing full-throated competition with broad cooperation," the judge wrote.
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If that's true - and I will accept that it is at face value - then it's a cartel and it should be broken up.

The double standard continues to amuse and enrage me, though. It's apparently unacceptable for airlines to do this, but it's not only acceptable for medical and technology outfits to do it, it's seen by the government as an unalloyed good that they do so.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:33 AM (t0OGg)

131 on his deathbed, E Howard Hunt may or may not have admitted to the Kennedy assassination

I always suspected that he may or may not have been involved.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (nfrXX)

132 'United Airlines Goes Woke': Tucker Carlson Blasts Airline's Push to Have Half of its 5,000 Flight Academy Students be Women or People of Color, as Former Air Traffic Controller Says It's Pandering to PC Culture [Daily Mail – 4/08/2021]

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That really does sum up the problem, though.

From what I read about air traffic controllers, it's a very specific and select group of folks that have a memory that works in a particular way. Education doesn't matter much at all, just that your brain connects things in a specific manner. And it can't be taught. You either gots it or you don't.

So yeah, lets put a bunch of black women in there just to meet a quota.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (33ek6)

133 113 At the conclusion of the miniseries White House Plumbers, they ran a brief epilogue:

on his deathbed, E Howard Hunt may or may not have admitted to the Kennedy assassination
Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:30 AM (geLO

Even dying, he was an asshole

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (xcxpd)

134 Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello had JFK killed because, after they helped get him elected president, JFK and Bobby reneged on their father's promise to remove Castro and instead went after their organized crime families.

Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (gmo/4)

135 Oh, and speaking of making friends, the United States is apparently blocking Ben Wallace, the British defense secretary, from becoming the next head of NATO.

DOCTOR Jill Biden apparently wants a woman in the position, and Drooling' Joe thinks that Wallace is unacceptable, because Wallace served in the British Army in Northern Ireland during the Troubles.

We are not a serious country.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (2tUFv)

136 “Safety concerns.” Yes, a lithium-ion fire is pretty terrifying when it happens in an electric vehicle on a roadway. At an altitude of 10,000 feet, a lithium-ion fire means you’re in a race between burning to death or dying when your electric plane crashes into the ground.
++++
Is fire the specific safety concern, or is the problem related to stresses and load because of the brutally heavy and dense energy source?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

137 No one watching The Patriot today?
Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:28 AM (cxHZm)

Good movie.. Hard for me to watch with the church burning scene
Posted by: It's me donna at July 03, 2023 11:29 AM (bs+z0)

Of course all the American haters love to point out that ' this is historically inaccurate . The British were never this cruel' . Yes Gibson took some liberty regard to historic events but I don't think they know the first thing about British cruelty.

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (cxHZm)

138 The answer to all of this is obvious....flying cars! Think you are irritated now with people who can't drive down a road without being distracted, not using turn signals, cutting people off, speeding, under the influence? Put them in vehicles and let them loose in the air. I am sure that will solve everything.

Posted by: Cheri at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (oiNtH)

139 Good thing we have a Chest Feeding Transportation Secretary to deal with this pressing issue.

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:35 AM (Mb7LX)

140 >The NASA specs for the X-57 were a range of 100 miles and endurance of 1 hour.

well the whistleblowers say that NASA has a UFO junkyard somewhere, so let's get some parts and wires and magic paint and throw something together

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:35 AM (geLO8)

141 Nic tags for the save!

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:35 AM (nfrXX)

142 Flying private is an indulgence. MD to FL in 2 hours and onto the boat 15 minutes later. Can't be beat

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 03, 2023 11:35 AM (flINI)

143 on his deathbed, E Howard Hunt may or may not have admitted to the Kennedy assassination

I always suspected that he may or may not have been involved.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (nfrXX)

I may or may not believe this.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:36 AM (e4fEA)

144 >>Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello had JFK killed because, after they helped get him elected president, JFK and Bobby reneged on their father's promise to remove Castro and instead went after their organized crime families.

LBJ did it.

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:36 AM (Mb7LX)

145 As for movies tomorrow, yeah probably 1776. Nice historical musical about the beginning of the country. A Republic, if we can keep it....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:36 AM (xcxpd)

146
Costco rotisserie chicken
Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

Kroger rotisserie chicken
Expensive,. May actually be a pigeon. That was starved to death

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:36 AM (MoZTd)

147 I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (cxHZm)

148 on his deathbed, E Howard Hunt may or may not have admitted to the Kennedy assassination

--

Someone posted a link recently of the FBI/CIA internal documents regarding how they would run psy-ops against America.

IIRC seven months after the date of the document was when JFK was assassinated.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (33ek6)

149
It's apparently unacceptable for airlines to do this, but it's not only acceptable for medical and technology outfits to do it, it's seen by the government as an unalloyed good that they do so.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:33 AM (t0OGg)

Tech and medical get a pass on restraint of trade because, unlike most other industries, these ones can be directly used to silence the voices of the subject classes, and deny them life if desired.

Those things are special, and it's important for control of these sectors to be limited to a smaller number of people who have a good relationship with the Party, and can be relied upon to do the right thing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (oINRc)

150 >Of course all the American haters love to point out that ' this is historically inaccurate . The British were never this cruel'

yes, those proto-Americans just got carried away

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (geLO8)

151 What is that Revolutionary War movie that inexplicably stars Al Pacino?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (PY/t0)

152 NASA had an electric airplane?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (ncXxy)

153 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"
Posted by: Just for the record

Anything emitted by a dem or rep.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (Ult4h)

154 well the whistleblowers say that NASA has a UFO junkyard somewhere, so let's get some parts and wires and magic paint and throw something together

-

I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE!

Posted by: Oceangate CEO at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (33ek6)

155 >>Flying private is an indulgence.

I had one client send a plane for me to deliver his new guitars.

Only time I have ever flown private. Holy shit, I could get used to it though.

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (Mb7LX)

156 Tech and medical get a pass on restraint of trade because, unlike most other industries, these ones can be directly used to silence the voices of the subject classes, and deny them life if desired.

Those things are special, and it's important for control of these sectors to be limited to a smaller number of people who have a good relationship with the Party, and can be relied upon to do the right thing.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (oINRc)
++++
Yes, of course. I should used a sarc tag.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)

157 Like a true leader, Kirby tried to deflect blame for his airline’s meltdown by pointing the finger at the Federal Aviation Administration and at bad weather.

Isn't it amazing that with decades of improvement in technology we generally have more issues with "the weather" then we did in the past?

Why...its almost like its an excuse to blame not putting in any kind of buffer into the system.

And you see this across the board. Business school teaches cutting costs by getting rid of basically all of your resiliency. In the short term this makes sense, we generally reward corporate drones based on "the short term".

Bad incentives = bad outcomes.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (lc5cP)

158 So, Biden just announced that he is still refusing to declassify some materials relating to the Kennedy assassination, despite a law requiring that all materials relating to the assassination be declassified years ago.

I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!

We are hereby officially changing the term from Conspiracy Theories to Spoiler Alerts.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (ZVVGW)

159 Right about when The Party precious aliens light up Fwance access to Twitter for casual users is cut off.

Well, Macron shouldn't have expressed interest in attending the August BRICS summit, should he?

Posted by: WEF at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (bt2PN)

160
What is that Revolutionary War movie that inexplicably stars Al Pacino?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (PY/t0)

____________

Keep your patriots close but your loyalists closer.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (MoZTd)

161 Maybe electric airplanes could plot a course from thunderstorm to thunderstorm and harvest all the electricity they need that way.
Pass the bong... LOL

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (MeG8a)

162 My business partner who lives in Australia was trying to get back to Sydney from Adelaide on Friday. All flights to Sydney were cancelled because or "wind".

Shake weight motion

It ain't the weather and it isn't global incompetence.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (ZLI7S)

163 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"

--

Water vapor, but they couldn't figure out how to tax clouds.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (33ek6)

164 >> I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.

Hard to shoot a guy straight in the throat from above and behind him.

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (Mb7LX)

165 Costco rotisserie chicken
Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

They are large, but like enormous strawberries, they are almost flavorless.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)

166 93 I have a million miles on American.

Which gets you what? A coffee cup?

Posted by: Yfly? at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (DhOHl)

167 Hard to shoot a guy straight in the throat from above and behind him.
Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (Mb7LX)

Barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:40 AM (PY/t0)

168 Costco rotisserie chicken
Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

Kroger rotisserie chicken
Expensive,. May actually be a pigeon. That was starved to death
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Next time don't hold back, tell us how you *really* feel.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 03, 2023 11:40 AM (Ult4h)

169
I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!

______________

I think any embarrassment would come from incompetence, not conspiracy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:40 AM (MoZTd)

170 What is that Revolutionary War movie that inexplicably stars Al Pacino?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (PY/t0)

Revolution. Absolutely the worst movie.

Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:40 AM (gmo/4)

171 >>What is that Revolutionary War movie that inexplicably stars Al Pacino?

Yankee Doodle Day Afternoon

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:40 AM (geLO8)

172 I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.

--

I don't think the feds flew the planes on 9/11.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (33ek6)

173 What the difference between an Airbus and a chainsaw?

A chainsaw only takes out one tree at a time.

Posted by: pawn at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (wsHtO)

174 As for movies tomorrow, yeah probably 1776. Nice historical musical about the beginning of the country. A Republic, if we can keep it....

*sigh* We just can't have nice things...

https://tinyurl.com/3d7enpm3

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (nfrXX)

175 Lets just say that my patriotism has waned greatly since 2012.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (0hOvj)

176 Thanks, Buck.

It's a game, imho. They can't possibly take the ability to travel from tens of millions at once so they make it more and more cumbersome. That will stop a lot of the flying undesirables - seniors, small kids, special needs - and others will fall out from time & expense if they're relatively conscientious people with employment and families.

Gates and Bezos buy carbon offsets as justification for jetting around. Bill Gates has also said flying on a private jet doesn't make him "part of the problem" because he invests billions into fighting climate change. We'll be staying put. They their ilk are backed by government: The U.S. Department of Energy Bioenergy Technologies Office (BETO) empowers energy companies and aviation stakeholders by supporting advances in research, development, and demonstration to overcome barriers for widespread deployment of low-carbon sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). (Making $, baby, & creating new fed jobs to boot!)

China’s New $156,000 Flying Car FINALLY Hitting The Market! You're not getting that either.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect & speeds the security clearance process at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (GshMh)

177 What is that Revolutionary War movie that inexplicably stars Al Pacino?

Yankee Doodle Day Afternoon

The Founding Godfather

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (eOEVl)

178 164 >> I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.

Hard to shoot a guy straight in the throat from above and behind him.
Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (Mb7LX)

All it takes is magic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (xcxpd)

179 I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023

***
Or at least to some cabal within it that can get the ear of Bai-Den's handlers.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (J2vNu)

180 "You'll be partially sage, Rosemary. In time."
Posted by: Muldoon at July 03, 2023 11:05 AM (kXYt5)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:31 AM (PY/t0)

Had lunch one day down on the waterfront. Got the food from a really good food truck. I saw the cook was using a large fork in his cooking and mentioned it. He said "Yes," as he held the fork up. "These are the tines that fry men's soles!"

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (e4fEA)

181 Windmill-powered airplanes? Brilliant!

Make Perpetual-Motion Machines Great Again!
Posted by: ShainS - Algorithmic

My nephew has a daughter who is about ten years old. She actually said something like this. Put a windmill on top of the car and while you're driving it will turn and put energy in the car. Then you don't have to plug it in.

I recall a time when Rose-Hulman College (engineering) had a race for cars that didn't use petroleum products. Each team had to design and build a car that could run on sun or wind for a specific distance. There was more than one team that tried the windmills on the roof in conjunction with the solar panels.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (Wy1BU)

182 Costco rotisserie chicken
Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

They are large, but like enormous strawberries, they are almost flavorless.
Posted by: Archimedes

Sam's rotisserie chicken FTW! Still $4.95 all day, every day.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:42 AM (ZVVGW)

183 174 As for movies tomorrow, yeah probably 1776. Nice historical musical about the beginning of the country. A Republic, if we can keep it....

*sigh* We just can't have nice things...

https://tinyurl.com/3d7enpm3
Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (nfrXX)

Well that just looks retarded

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:42 AM (xcxpd)

184 I can't wait to try out the new battery powered flying car that was just approved by our all powerful wise government. Probably work as well as the carbon fiber sub

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 03, 2023 11:42 AM (PVx3i)

185 The answer to all of this is obvious....flying cars! Think you are irritated now with people who can't drive down a road without being distracted, not using turn signals, cutting people off, speeding, under the influence? Put them in vehicles and let them loose in the air. I am sure that will solve everything.

Posted by: Cheri at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (oiNtH)

The nightly meteor showers will be lit.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 03, 2023 11:42 AM (VwHCD)

186 I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (cxHZm)

" Whoever took that shot's probably dead now. That's how conspiracy works. Them boys on the grassy knoll, they were dead within three hours. Buried in the damn desert. Unmarked graves out past Terlingua."

"And you know this for a fact?"

"Still got the shovel!"

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (OgrpQ)

187 I recall a time when Rose-Hulman College (engineering) had a race for cars that didn't use petroleum products. Each team had to design and build a car that could run on sun or wind for a specific distance. There was more than one team that tried the windmills on the roof in conjunction with the solar panels.
Posted by: Madamemayhem

Steam. It worked for railroads.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (ZVVGW)

188 Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello had JFK killed because, after they helped get him elected president, JFK and Bobby reneged on their father's promise to remove Castro and instead went after their organized crime families.
Posted by: Archer at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (gmo/4)

Concur. The mob took JFK out with a little help from their friends in the DC crime family.

Jack Ruby took out Oswald so as to avoid the pliers and blow torch treatment.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (XqIlw)

189 Remember when flying was fun?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 03, 2023 11:22 AM (ATSTk)

Once flying was fun, now it is minimum security prison.

Posted by: Kindltot - Let's not make this wierd at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (xhaym)

190 Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"

Irish cows.

Posted by: Cheri at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (oiNtH)

191 Costco hot dog and drink.$1.50. Righteous.

Posted by: Yum at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (DhOHl)

192
And you see this across the board. Business school teaches cutting costs by getting rid of basically all of your resiliency. In the short term this makes sense, we generally reward corporate drones based on "the short term".

____________

That's what happens when you let the MBAs run things. They don't understand how organic growth works, so their only solution is to make cuts.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (MoZTd)

193 >>I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.

Isn't the only thing left the Mexico Files / Papers?

Thought the problem was the overt Coverup involved out of Mexico City and the subsequent torture of the woman who worked the embassy there?

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:43 AM (Mb7LX)

194 Isn't it amazing that with decades of improvement in technology we generally have more issues with "the weather" then we did in the past?

Ayn Rand wrote about that in Atlas Shrugged - as society collapsed, it was just amazing how "the weather" became more and more of a problem.

Can't do anything about the weather, of course.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (2tUFv)

195 While it's true that Rafael Cruz murdered Kennedy, he also funded Charles Whitman at UT Austin. He graduated from there. Coincidence-not bloody likely!

Posted by: Conspiracy By the Bushel at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (T0tUU)

196 Once flying was fun, now it is minimum security prison.

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If you don't create make work for an entirely new department of unionized federal employees then the terrorists win.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (33ek6)

197 155 I got a lift home from the detachment XO in our remaining T33 (just about everybody in the detachment had a seat card). Nothing better than taxiing up to the VAL with the canopy open and Mom, Dad, and Girlfriend are waiting. I said remaining T33. XO had a "mishap" at Seymour Johnson in the other and it was a strike bird. He gave me about ten minutes stick time between DC and Ohio.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (rLD7a)

198 177 What is that Revolutionary War movie that inexplicably stars Al Pacino?

Yankee Doodle Day Afternoon

The Founding Godfather
Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (eOEVl)

========

Revolution. It's not very good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

199 I can remember smoking sections in flights.
But I never smoked.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (MeG8a)

200 I would never get on a United flight that hires pilots from a DEI policy. Beyond what the FAA mandates for CPL and ATP ratings there is a very robust self-regulatory aspect to commercial aviation that most people are unaware of. CFI's building time at the local GA airport to make it the airlines eat shit for years. This has the positive outcome of weeding out the non-hackers, leaving only the most passionate to move forward - and those are the people you want operating your airliners. Kirby would circumvent all of that for his leftist worldview and seriously compromise aviation safety.

Posted by: Halfhand at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (j9tCC)

201 What the difference between an Airbus and a chainsaw?

A chainsaw only takes out one tree at a time.
Posted by: pawn

😳😂😂 Brutal.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (ZVVGW)

202 This busty bikini brunette doesn't remember a time when air travel was fun:
https://is.gd/7Y7mDN

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (t0OGg)

203 No surprise that the guy who washed out of the USAF Academy because of his poor aptitude for flight also can't run an airline.

Posted by: bed head at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)

204 165 Costco rotisserie chicken
Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

They are large, but like enormous strawberries, they are almost flavorless.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)

With chicken, seasoning is important. I don't mind the Costco chickens when they're fresh, but when reheating or using in other dishes, adding more spice helps.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (xcxpd)

205 >>I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.

MKUltra

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (ZLI7S)

206 I really enjoy watching Abby Steiner run. She's got a very distinctive arm motion that identifies her from a long way away.

https://tinyurl.com/bdzb666b

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (eOEVl)

207 Nothing in Soldiers Joy bout suckin dick, takin one up the ass, or wearing women's makup and clothes. Sorta dates it.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (pohLc)

208 Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello had JFK killed because, after they helped get him elected president, JFK and Bobby reneged on their father's promise to remove Castro and instead went after their organized crime families

According to mobsters, it was Chicago acting boss Sam Giancana who ordered the hit. But the whole "it took 15 guys to do the job from different angles" thing is just silly. Oswald did it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (0hOvj)

209 202 This busty bikini brunette doesn't remember a time when air travel was fun:
https://is.gd/7Y7mDN
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (t0OGg)

That's because she's 19. And yes, very busty. Very nice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (xcxpd)

210
I have little doubt that Oswald pulled the trigger on Kennedy. Was he the only one? Who knows? Was he an IC asset? Again, who knows? His past was shady AF to say the least, so it's certainly possible. All of that is possible. It's also possible he acted alone.

Nobody will likely ever know these things. It's America, BAY-BEE. A land where all things are shrouded in an impenetrable veil of secrets & lies.

The only way the truth of anything in the past three quarters of a century can be known is if the system completely fails, and sun can shine on things. More likely though, when the system can no longer conceal the truth, they'll burn it all on the way out the door.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:46 AM (oINRc)

211 I really enjoy watching Abby Steiner run. She's got a very distinctive arm motion that identifies her from a long way away.

https://tinyurl.com/bdzb666b
Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (eOEVl)

She is seriously tearing it up this season.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:46 AM (PY/t0)

212 >I can remember smoking sections in flights.
But I never smoked.

Posted by: gourmand du jour

sorry, that was me

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:46 AM (geLO8)

213 Oswald was CIA all the way. LBJ + CIA killed JFK + RFK. There was a second shooter.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (PWI4f)

214 I recall a time when Rose-Hulman College (engineering) had a race for cars that didn't use petroleum products. Each team had to design and build a car that could run on sun or wind for a specific distance. There was more than one team that tried the windmills on the roof in conjunction with the solar panels.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (Wy1BU)

It would surprise you, no matter how well educated - how many working engineers and technicians simply do not, or will not, understand that no system is 100% efficient. And yes, many of them are self-proclaimed environmentalists.

Posted by: Still The Same at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (JNPFB)

215 207 Nothing in Soldiers Joy bout suckin dick, takin one up the ass, or wearing women's makup and clothes. Sorta dates it.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (pohLc)

Well it's 'Soldiers Joy' not 'Sailors Joy'...

*ducks*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (xcxpd)

216 What the government needs to do is mandate 50% efficiency increases fleetwide in jet engines in order to spur electric airplane development.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (Ss3pk)

217
NASA’s Electric Airplane Permanently Grounded

ISWYDT

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (pNxlR)

218 Stated here often
Never had a bad plane ride, and had dozens
More than likely will never fly again

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (xhxe8)

219 211 I really enjoy watching Abby Steiner run. She's got a very distinctive arm motion that identifies her from a long way away.

https://tinyurl.com/bdzb666b
Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (eOEVl)

She is seriously tearing it up this season.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:46 AM (PY/t0)

I can get behind her

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:47 AM (xcxpd)

220 Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

Used to date her!
Badumdum!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (CULda)

221 Is fire the specific safety concern, or is the problem related to stresses and load because of the brutally heavy and dense energy source?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

It would be easy eough to carry the fuel cells on 'drop-tanks'.
Rig them up with parachutes and drop them into fly-over country.
Coastel denizens would go for that.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (ga8qR)

222 I got a lift home from the detachment XO in our remaining T33 (just about everybody in the detachment had a seat card). Nothing better than taxiing up to the VAL with the canopy open and Mom, Dad, and Girlfriend are waiting. I said remaining T33. XO had a "mishap" at Seymour Johnson in the other and it was a strike bird. He gave me about ten minutes stick time between DC and Ohio.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 11:44 AM (rLD7a)
***

Ppppfffttt
Now if you had rolled up in a M-1 Abrams tank, you'd of had three girlfeiends there.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (e4fEA)

223 The smoking section never worked in planes. One person smoked, the whole plane smelled it.

Remember when cars had built in ashtrays in the doors? Its hard to imagine now but back in the 70s and earlier, EVEROBODY smoked.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (0hOvj)

224 I can remember smoking sections in flights.
But I never smoked.

Posted by: gourmand du jour

I can remember when flight attendants couldn't speak jive, but Mrs. Cleaver could.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (OgrpQ)

225 I would never get on a United flight that hires pilots from a DEI policy.

It's amazing how much of the smooth functioning of society depended on 50-year-old white guys, and what happens when you decide that you are no longer going to hire people like that.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (2tUFv)

226 How come nobody ever talks about Jack Ruby?

Posted by: I've always wondered at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (DhOHl)

227 even the backseat armrests had tiny ashtrays

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 11:49 AM (geLO8)

228
NASA’s Electric Airplane Permanently Grounded

"Fear not, our program to develop and fly an all electric-propelled mission to the Moon and back continues unabated!" shouted the NASA spokesdolt.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 11:49 AM (pNxlR)

229 208 Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello had JFK killed because, after they helped get him elected president, JFK and Bobby reneged on their father's promise to remove Castro and instead went after their organized crime families

According to mobsters, it was Chicago acting boss Sam Giancana who ordered the hit. But the whole "it took 15 guys to do the job from different angles" thing is just silly. Oswald did it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (0hOvj)

Mobsters could barely organize a circle jerk, let alone assassinate a president and cover up the evidence. If the mob was involved it was purely as errand boys.

Saying Oswald did it is the silly part.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:49 AM (xcxpd)

230 It's amazing how much of the smooth functioning of society depended on 50-year-old white guys, and what happens when you decide that you are no longer going to hire people like that.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (2tUFv)
++++
What happens? I'll tell you what happens! You get an inspirational environment!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

231 I recall a time when Rose-Hulman College (engineering) had a race for cars that didn't use petroleum products. Each team had to design and build a car that could run on sun or wind for a specific distance. There was more than one team that tried the windmills on the roof in conjunction with the solar panels.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (Wy1BU)

Well, a windmill is like a sail. The wind spins it, and creates thrust, too. With the wind from the right direction, such a wind-powered car could zip along pretty smartly. Until you wanted to change direction, or climb a steep hill...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (P5s+8)

232 My nephew is an air traffic controller and he says they have such a shortage of people that he's working 6 days a week and gets no vacation time. There's a real problem out there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (0hOvj)

233 5 The answer to all of this is obvious....flying cars!
Posted by: Cheri

*******

Perfect!!

The best part of this plan is that it will free up so much room on the interstate highways and major municipal roads that the commercial airlines can simply drive their electric planes to their destinations!!

Posted by: Muldoon at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (kXYt5)

234 @213

>>Oswald was CIA all the way. LBJ + CIA killed JFK + RFK. There was a second shooter.

Jim Garrison: Back and to the left. Back... and to the left.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (up/3i)

235 >>Remember when cars had built in ashtrays in the doors? Its hard to imagine now but back in the 70s and earlier, EVEROBODY smoked.

My Pediatrician Smoked. During checkups.

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (Mb7LX)

236
Sorry, the effort to construct a JFK conspiracy are just so much mental fapping. It tries to make Kennedy into the victim of something much grander, while he was actually shot by a pathetic Marxist loser. Any number of factors and Kennedy gets away.

If the CIA was actually involved, a hundred bystanders would have been shot while the motorcade drove on unscathed.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (MoZTd)

237 226 How come nobody ever talks about Jack Ruby?
Posted by: I've always wondered at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (DhOHl)

He's dead?

Seriously, Mark Grobert talks about Ruby a lot on the 'Americas Untold Stories' YouTube channel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (xcxpd)

238 Nothing in Soldiers Joy

--

There's a fantastic Guy Clark song by that name if you like Americana / storytelling / nods to Civil War music and horrors

Soldier's Joy, 1864

https://youtu.be/LXurU2jWfTM

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (33ek6)

239 WE WERE PROMISED JETPACKS G-D DAMN IT!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (up/3i)

240 183 174 As for movies tomorrow, yeah probably 1776. Nice historical musical about the beginning of the country. A Republic, if we can keep it....

*sigh* We just can't have nice things...

https://tinyurl.com/3d7enpm3
Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 11:41 AM (nfrXX)

Well that just looks retarded
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:42 AM (xcxpd)

Even The Spirit of '76 would be better.

Posted by: Actually has some comedic value at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (dE+9W)

241 Last time I flew? Patty Hearst was a fugitive. $10.00 red eye flights LA to Frisco.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at July 03, 2023 11:51 AM (CULda)

242 >> It's amazing how much of the smooth functioning of society depended on 50-year-old white guys, and what happens when you decide that you are no longer going to hire people like that.

'We'll Make It Up With Diversity!'

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:51 AM (Mb7LX)

243 208 There's a story about Sam Giancana having a sit down in DC with RFK. Sam walks into the AG's office, and RFK says "Sammy, get rid of the sunglasses. Makes you look like a gangster". Giancana relies "Bobby, here's five bucks. Get a haircut. You look like a queer".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (rLD7a)

244 Mobsters could barely organize a circle jerk

,.. they were a billion dollar a year industry that ran cities and controlled politics for like 50 years, they had no problems organizing and running things. They built and ran Vegas, hell they ran Hollywood for years. They were not hapless idiots.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (0hOvj)

245 If the CIA was actually involved, a hundred bystanders would have been shot while the motorcade drove on unscathed.

Where do you think the Empire gets its stormtrooper candidates?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (eOEVl)

246 >>How come nobody ever talks about Jack Ruby?

Same reason nobody ever talks about Oswald's time at the US naval air base in Japan, Atsugi.

Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (ZLI7S)

247 >>Seriously, Mark Grobert talks about Ruby a lot on the 'Americas Untold Stories' YouTube channel.

An insane number of gay guys involved in the entire scenario.

Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (Mb7LX)

248 236
Sorry, the effort to construct a JFK conspiracy are just so much mental fapping. It tries to make Kennedy into the victim of something much grander, while he was actually shot by a pathetic Marxist loser. Any number of factors and Kennedy gets away.

If the CIA was actually involved, a hundred bystanders would have been shot while the motorcade drove on unscathed.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (MoZTd)

The Kennedy assassination wasn't grand, it was just power politics. The Deep State was asserting control to prevent Kennedy from replacing the established crooks with his own people (who were probably also mostly crooks)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (xcxpd)

249 My nephew is an air traffic controller and he says they have such a shortage of people that he's working 6 days a week and gets no vacation time. There's a real problem out there.

Hey, it takes time to go through all the diversity statements of the ATC applicants, and decide who is the most diversity-qualified!

We can't do it in a day, you know!

Posted by: The FAA! at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (2tUFv)

250 How come nobody ever talks about Jack Ruby?
Posted by: I've always wondered at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (DhOHl)

You don't have much choice talking about Ruby. You know what kind of people they are. They're gonna strip you naked and go to work on you with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch if you talk about Ruby.

No one talks about Ruby.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (XqIlw)

251 So, Biden just announced that he is still refusing to declassify some materials relating to the Kennedy assassination, despite a law requiring that all materials relating to the assassination be declassified years ago.

I haven't been willing to dip into Kennedy conspiracy theories, but it seems evident that there is something in those materials that is very, very embarrassing to the United States government.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!

We are hereby officially changing the term from Conspiracy Theories to Spoiler Alerts.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (ZVVGW)

Must be some skeevy shiite in there as Trump chose not to declass too.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (ga8qR)

252 What happens? I'll tell you what happens! You get an inspirational environment!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

I feel inspired, and a little flat....

Posted by: Stockton Rush at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (pohLc)

253 Well, a windmill is like a sail. The wind spins it, and creates thrust, too. With the wind from the right direction, such a wind-powered car could zip along pretty smartly. Until you wanted to change direction, or climb a steep hill...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (P5s+

If you really think you're going to be lucky enough to drive in a vector corresponding to the wind ? You don't install a windmill. You install a sail, and don't waste the force to rotate a mechanism simply to generate electricity.

But nobody ever said Rose-Hulman grads were all geniuses. Except Rose-Hulman grads. I've fired my share.

Posted by: Still The Same at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (JNPFB)

254 247 >>Seriously, Mark Grobert talks about Ruby a lot on the 'Americas Untold Stories' YouTube channel.

An insane number of gay guys involved in the entire scenario.
Posted by: garrett at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (Mb7LX)

Literally true. I suspect it made them easier to control, having their sex life as a 'handle' on them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (xcxpd)

255 @246

>>Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing.

The Cigarette Smoking Man?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (up/3i)

256 Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing.

Hitler?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (eOEVl)

257 It tries to make Kennedy into the victim of something much grander, while he was actually shot by a pathetic Marxist loser.

Yeah its all part of the mystique trying to build Kennedy into something greater than what he really was: a largely incompetent, drug-addicted failure of a president. Boomers really love that guy and I've never understood why.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (0hOvj)

258 ... the brutally heavy and dense energy source?
Posted by: Joe Mannix

*******

Chris Christie enters the conversation...

Posted by: Muldoon at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (kXYt5)

259 Boomers really love that guy and I've never understood why.

Not all of them.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 11:54 AM (eOEVl)

260 246 >>How come nobody ever talks about Jack Ruby?

Same reason nobody ever talks about Oswald's time at the US naval air base in Japan, Atsugi.

Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (ZLI7S)

L...literally Hitler?
Sorry, I lost my place in the script.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

261

Electric airplanes will have to recharge in flight in an operation similar to in-flight refueling as done by the military. The charging plane will have generators and tow a charging cord instead of a fuel hose.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 03, 2023 11:54 AM (63Dwl)

262 258 ... the brutally heavy and dense energy source?
Posted by: Joe Mannix

*******

Chris Christie enters the conversation...
Posted by: Muldoon at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (kXYt5)

lol

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

263 Well, Macron shouldn't have expressed interest in attending the August BRICS summit, should he?
Posted by: WEF at July 03, 2023 11:38 AM (bt2PN)

Macron has to get a wedge into BRICS since France supplies the Central Africa Franc (CAF) and stands to lose huge influence and profits if those countries that use it go to a BRICS currency

The thing to remember, except for Russia, the BRICS founders use currency manipulation and printing to keep themselves afloat, and have terrible track records in stable currency. They tend to default and get sideways with the IMF and world bank, and they blame those institutions for the compelled "austerity reforms" that strips them of autonomy and a lot of their ready cash.
The CAF allows France to treat African countries like their own colonies, the rejection of the CAF stands to loose France their remaining empire.

Posted by: Kindltot - Let's not make this weird at July 03, 2023 11:54 AM (xhaym)

264 Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:52

Couldn't have been the Austrian corporal, so who?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (GzDfN)

265 Did they really call the Germans "Huns" that early? I though it was a WWI thing, or a bit before.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (brAQZ)

266 Remember when cars had built in ashtrays in the doors? Its hard to imagine now but back in the 70s and earlier, EVEROBODY smoked.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (0hOvj)

And the more expensive cars had door ash trays with it's own lighter, and night light. Sometimes in the door, sometimes in the arm rest. Ashtrays for all!

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (VwHCD)

267 L...literally Hitler?
Sorry, I lost my place in the script.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

Line!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (PY/t0)

268 Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing.

--

The odds of that happening must be similar to Ray Epps and John Sullivan hanging out together prior to the January 6th festivities, and both being in crucial spots for the narrative to move forward.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (33ek6)

269
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:45 AM (0hOvj)

I understand the Mafia had a strong motive to kill JFK, but I figure it for the least likely possibility. His past would point more towards Soviet intelligence. But then, their reactions internally (confusion and panic) would suggest that nobody at the upper reaches of the KGB or GRU ordered it.

*IF* there was some conspiracy to kill the President, I am pretty sure it was our own government who cooked it up. But I can't see much motive. Sure, they may have hated him, and disagreed with his policies. But that doesn't matter. You don't *need* to kill him. Our government doesn't answer to elected officials.

I think there is a very strong possibility that a whacked out Commie misfit did in fact cap off a President on his own.

But absolutely nothing would surprise me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (oINRc)

270
What happens? I'll tell you what happens! You get an inspirational environment!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Glub! Glub! Mofo!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (pNxlR)

271 And yeah the CIA is the group that couldn't organize a birthday party without casualties. They have proven so incompetent its shocking over the years. Hell they couldn't even assassinate Castro.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM (0hOvj)

272 If the CIA was actually involved, a hundred bystanders would have been shot while the motorcade drove on unscathed.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 11:50 AM (MoZTd)

Nah, that's the NYPD. The CIA would've ineffectually attempted to kill him by planting a bomb in his back brace. It would have been a squib that scorched his jacket but that's it.

Posted by: Just their style like planning to blow up Castro's cigar at July 03, 2023 11:56 AM (dE+9W)

273 >Yes Gibson took some liberty regard to historic events but I don't think they know the first thing about British cruelty.

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:34 AM (cxHZm)

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie bub.

Posted by: Bloody Tarleton at July 03, 2023 11:56 AM (gMRRb)

274 In the future, electric airliners will be equipped with pedals and generators in front of each seat. People will get inspired to pedal like a mofo. Believe me.

Posted by: Stockton Rush at July 03, 2023 11:56 AM (pohLc)

275 Although the X-57 program failed to achieve a flight test, NASA said the project succeeded at its primary goal, which was to share what it learned with regulators and the aviation industry to help develop certification standards for electric aircraft.

It was successful in terms of putting $87M into the pockets of the right people.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 03, 2023 11:56 AM (p8A+W)

276 Boomers really love that guy and I've never understood why.

From what I can tell - Kennedy was one of the first really successful television mass media creations. Before him, of course, print media created their share of myths such as FDR. But Kennedy really hit home in the video era.

I think something changed, in the minds of that generation, because they could "see" the bullshit rather than simply read about it. They grew up less skeptical because of it.

Posted by: Still The Same at July 03, 2023 11:56 AM (JNPFB)

277 Trump: All of the JFK docs are now declassified. Release them.

Intel: No. You don't have the authority.

Trump: ok. Sorry, I tried.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (Ss3pk)

278 Hell they couldn't even assassinate Castro.

--

In 2023 it's worth pondering if that's a "w" instead of a "c" at the beginning of _ouldn't.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (33ek6)

279 >>If the CIA was actually involved, a hundred bystanders would have been shot while the motorcade drove on unscathed.

Then why after 60 years is the evidence of Kennedy's shooting still classified?

We've just lived through a decade of every conspiracy theory being proved true. The CIA was put in business to take down governments. They helped do it in 2020 right here in the US of A.

We need a new term for conspiracy theories because more often than not many of them are fact. Maybe we should call them facts.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (ZLI7S)

280
Guess who else was at Atsugi when Oswald was there and what they were doing?

Hitler?

Discussing the best way to get out of a bunker? (Ostwald thought Adolf was talking about golf.)

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (pNxlR)

281 Must be some skeevy shiite in there as Trump chose not to declass too.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM

There's is some REALLY shady shit we did (and still do today)...that's why we hid it from Trunp and lied to him about it. Like the other agencies are going to punish us for it lolgf

Posted by: Your Friends at the FBI who totally work for the people and not a specific administration at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (NCgXW)

282 @266 Berserker/CRT-a car door from the seventies weighs more than an entire car does today.

Posted by: JROD at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (IlL6s)

283 I believe Oswald shot Kennedy so have a hard time connecting him to all the conspiracy players.
Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 11:37 AM (cxHZm)

just for fun, ballistic testing of Joe Rogan's JFK single bullet theory

https://youtu.be/KrNRCxow-Ek

Posted by: Kindltot - Let's not make this weird at July 03, 2023 11:58 AM (xhaym)

284 I can remember smoking sections in flights.

I remember pretty young women. Now it's all gays and Karens. Oh, did they love their federally-mandated covid powers!

Posted by: t-bird at July 03, 2023 11:58 AM (08CnU)

285 Kennedy stole the election, and the media had to create the myth of a really popular guy who everyone loves why would you even question whether he won the election?

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 11:58 AM (Ss3pk)

286 CULT OF PERSONALITY
https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

Posted by: LIVING COLOUR at July 03, 2023 11:59 AM (Mb7LX)

287 244 Mobsters could barely organize a circle jerk

,.. they were a billion dollar a year industry that ran cities and controlled politics for like 50 years, they had no problems organizing and running things. They built and ran Vegas, hell they ran Hollywood for years. They were not hapless idiots.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:52 AM (0hOvj)

Greasing local politicians and owning a local judge is one thing, getting military units deployment orders changed, concealing evidence, preventing evidence from being recorded is a whole 'nother level that they can't play at. The mob wasn't a unified organization, they were a loose conglomeration of sociopaths that agreed to divide up areas of interest, that's all.

They were tools, at best.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 03, 2023 11:59 AM (xcxpd)

288 Last time I flew? Patty Hearst was a fugitive. $10.00 red eye flights LA to Frisco.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty

We left for Frisco in your Rambler
The radiator running dry
I've never been much of a gambler
And had a preference to fly

You said,Forget about the airline
Let's take the car and save the fare
We blew a gasket on the Grapevine
And eighty dollars on repairs

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 03, 2023 11:59 AM (Wy1BU)

289 XO had a "mishap" at Seymour Johnson in the other and it was a strike bird. He gave me about ten minutes stick time between DC and Ohio.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Worked at Seymour Johnson for a bit. Mentioned it to a lady I worked once. She thought I was making a vulgar joke.

It showed where her mind was.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 11:59 AM (ga8qR)

290 @266 Berserker/CRT-a car door from the seventies weighs more than an entire car does today.
Posted by: JROD at July 03, 2023 11:57 AM (IlL6s)

We used to lay on the hood and windshield of cars like a lounge chair at the drive-in theater back in the day.

Imaging trying that today.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 11:59 AM (PY/t0)

291 >>Couldn't have been the Austrian corporal, so who?

Well the CIA of course along with project MKUltra.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 11:59 AM (ZLI7S)

292
People will get inspired to pedal like a mofo. Believe me.

Posted by: Stockton Rush

Pedal or we'll crash!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (pNxlR)

293 > (JFK's) past would point more towards Soviet intelligence.

Ah, the good old days -- when even corrupt grifter nepotist Democrats hated communists.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (Y6AXb)

294 And the more expensive cars had door ash trays with it's own lighter, and night light. Sometimes in the door, sometimes in the arm rest. Ashtrays for all!

It was great for us kids riding in the back seats.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (p8A+W)

295 266 One of the guys in my outfit bought an XKE with a reenlistment bonus. Late 60s, early 70s, BOQs and even enlisted barracks parking lots had bunches of Vettes, Jags, and other stuff what with saved up Vietnam money and bonuses. Anyway, his XKE had a cigarette lighter that chimed when it popped out, and then it didn't, and Lucas, Prince of Darkness stepped into the picture. Car was never right after that.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (rLD7a)

296 In fact, the CIA itself invented the phrase "conspiracy theory" in order to dismiss any truthful assertion used to discredit the agency.
This is known.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (MeG8a)

297 Well, my parents are Boomers, and they don't like JFK, and their parents really didn't either. *shrug*

Posted by: pookysgirl knows she grew up in a bubble at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (dtlDP)

298 I understand the Mafia had a strong motive to kill JFK, but I figure it for the least likely possibility. His past would point more towards Soviet intelligence. But then, their reactions internally (confusion and panic) would suggest that nobody at the upper reaches of the KGB or GRU ordered it.

*IF* there was some conspiracy to kill the President, I am pretty sure it was our own government who cooked it up. But I can't see much motive. Sure, they may have hated him, and disagreed with his policies. But that doesn't matter. You don't *need* to kill him. Our government doesn't answer to elected officials.

I think there is a very strong possibility that a whacked out Commie misfit did in fact cap off a President on his own.

But absolutely nothing would surprise me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 03, 2023 11:55 AM

don't forget that kennedy $hit on the cia during the bay of pigs disaster. kennedy promised them heavy air support and he pulled the plug on that at the last minute and didn't inform the cia of the change in plans. They never forgave him for that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (ncXxy)

299 And don't forget that when Nixon won in 68, the GOPe set out to destroy him. Hmm. History repeats.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (Ss3pk)

300 fuck united. those cocksuckers lose my luggage EVERY TIME i go through ORD.

EVERY DAAMN TIME!!!!

they can die in a fiery crash
Posted by: SturmToddler

Tell us how ya really feel !

Posted by: JT at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (T4tVD)

301
The bubble top is put on the limo: Kennedy lives

The Secret Service is riding the back bumper: Kennedy lives

The driver doesn't slow down after the second shot: Kennedy lives

The president doesn't wear his back brace: Kennedy lives

Oswald doesn't change his shirt at Dallas PD: Oswald lives

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2023 12:01 PM (MoZTd)

302 *IF* there was some conspiracy to kill the President, I am pretty sure it was our own government who cooked it up. But I can't see much motive.

He made some noise about getting out of Vietnam before it got out of hand. That would have been a real bummer for the CIA and the military / industrial complex. And his family's betrayal of the organized crime / labor nexus made sure he had plenty of civilian as well as governmental enemies.

Instead, he ate a magic bullet, and LBJ set in the first division-sized combat element into 'Nam - the 1st Air Cav. The rest, as they say, is history.

Posted by: Still The Same at July 03, 2023 12:01 PM (JNPFB)

303 I remember pretty young women. Now it's all gays and Karens. Oh, did they love their federally-mandated covid powers!
Posted by: t-bird at July 03, 2023 11:58 AM (08CnU)

Good point. Like the priesthood, when did the sodomites decide that they all wanted to be stewardesses?

Like the most flaming of flaming sodomites just has to be on every recent flight I have taken.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2023 12:01 PM (XqIlw)

304 >>In fact, the CIA itself invented the phrase "conspiracy theory" in order to dismiss any truthful assertion used to discredit the agency.
This is known.

Finger touches nose, points at you.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 12:01 PM (ZLI7S)

305 299 And don't forget that when Nixon won in 68, the GOPe set out to destroy him. Hmm. History repeats.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 03, 2023 12:00 PM (Ss3pk)

=======

And Nixon wasn't exactly Robert Taft. Dude made the EPA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 03, 2023 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

306 My take is the Eff Bee Eye took down Nixkn and Trump

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2023 12:02 PM (xhxe8)

307 I just saw a clip with Phil Lipof of ABC News. I thought it was an AI-generated talking head, and not a very good one. That is a man who lives inside the uncanny valley. I can't believe they put him on television. Makes my flesh creep just looking at him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 03, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)

308 Kennedy was one of the first really successful television mass media creations.

It's when the electronic media realized how much they could control public opinion.

They took a very mediocre man, and turned him into a war hero (for losing his PT boat through incompetence), a great intellectual (who had everything he wrote ghostwritten), and the dutiful husband to one of the most glamorous women on Earth (no comment).

When they got away with that, they realized that the sky was the limit.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 12:02 PM (2tUFv)

309 So you're saying Jack Ruby was also at the Bay of Pigs?

Posted by: Now it's starting to make sense at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (DhOHl)

310 The president doesn't wear his back brace: Kennedy lives

Wut?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (eOEVl)

311 > 300 fuck united. those cocksuckers lose my luggage EVERY TIME i go through ORD.

Those bastards once managed to lose a bag that I checked at the actual doorway of the jet. Too many carryons, apparently. They gave me some kind of pittance voucher for agreeing to check my bag, stupid me agreed.

And yeah, it was ORD. I was going to Denver. My bag went to Los Angeles.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (Y6AXb)

312
Inexpensive, big, plump, juicy

Lena Dunham has re-entered the chat

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (pNxlR)

313 What was the very first mission the newly minted CIA participated in?

Where are many of the world's problems still coming from?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

314 308 They took a very mediocre man, and turned him into a war hero (for losing his PT boat through incompetence), a great intellectual (who had everything he wrote ghostwritten), and the dutiful husband to one of the most glamorous women on Earth (no comment).

When they got away with that, they realized that the sky was the limit.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 12:02 PM (2tUFv)

========

Kennedy Sr. delivering Illinois through cheating helped, too.

It's funny, but the film The Irishman touches upon it, and it was the first time I saw a liberal (Ebert, specifically, who lived in Illinois) acknowledge that...probably JFK didn't actually win Illinois and it was all a sham.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

315
Well, my parents are Boomers, and they don't like JFK, and their parents really didn't either. *shrug*
Posted by: pookysgirl knows she grew up in a bubble]/i]

I'm a boomer. Was 12 years old when he was killed. Had no interest in politics.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 03, 2023 12:04 PM (63Dwl)

316 I understand the Mafia had a strong motive to kill JFK

I think the agency that he was going to splinter into a thousand pieces may also have had a motive.

Posted by: t-bird at July 03, 2023 12:04 PM (bt2PN)

317 > So you're saying Jack Ruby was also at the Bay of Pigs?

AND he whacked Adolph in the bunkerr

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 12:05 PM (geLO8)

318 They took a very mediocre man, and turned him into a war hero (for losing his PT boat through incompetence), a great intellectual (who had everything he wrote ghostwritten), and the dutiful husband to one of the most glamorous women on Earth (no comment).
_________

Don't forget he was portrayed as a devout Irish Catholic (who was banging Marilyn Monroe and taking fists full of drugs from Dr. Feelgood.)

Posted by: Wearing a MAGA hat in Harlem at July 03, 2023 12:05 PM (lf83v)

319 How come nobody ever talks about Jack Ruby?
Posted by: I've always wondered at July 03, 2023 11:48 AM (DhOHl)

It is one of the more compelling Camper Van Beethoven songs

https://youtu.be/-brixuki1kM

Posted by: Kindltot - Let's not make this weird at July 03, 2023 12:05 PM (xhaym)

320 Yeah its all part of the mystique trying to build Kennedy into something greater than what he really was: a largely incompetent, drug-addicted failure of a president. Boomers really love that guy and I've never understood why.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 11:53 AM (0hOvj)

Don't forget serial adulterer and sexual abuser.

Posted by: The Kennedys were degenerate shitbags at July 03, 2023 12:05 PM (dE+9W)

321 >>> 313 What was the very first mission the newly minted CIA participated in?

Where are many of the world's problems still coming from?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

I didn't know the CIA had a mission in Washington D.C. - weren't they supposed to work *outside* the US??

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 03, 2023 12:05 PM (llON8)

322 Ace Also Rises.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 03, 2023 12:05 PM (PY/t0)

323 > Lena Dunham has re-entered the chat
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Vote Fen Early and Often(er)! at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (pNxlR)

I (unfortunately) saw a current picture of her the other day.

You thought she was bad during her 15 minutes of fame?

She was young Phoebe Cates then compared to what she is now.

Avoid at all costs.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 03, 2023 12:06 PM (Y6AXb)

324 Kennedy Sr. delivering Illinois through cheating helped, too.

Chicago's zip codes are out of the usual geographic order - Chicago's zips are 606xx, in honor of the "606 Club" in Chicago, where JFK and Mayor Daley met to finalize the theft of Illinois in the election.

A little postal code joke there...

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 03, 2023 12:06 PM (2tUFv)

325 Jack Ruby was the last guy to service Buddy Holly's plane

Posted by: Mack Conner at July 03, 2023 12:06 PM (geLO8)

326 IF* there was some conspiracy to kill the President, I am pretty sure it was our own government who cooked it up. But I can't see much motive.

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o_O

Gold and the gold standard. Executive order that was drawn up a week or so before his death iirc.

Same reason we toppled Iraq and Libya.

You know that's why we attacked Iraq and Libya, right? And why it's so dangerous that we're about to lose our position as the world currency.

Posted by: Have you figured out that the gay flag is a p3d0 flag? at July 03, 2023 12:06 PM (7bQJB)

327 Kennedy Sr. delivering Illinois through cheating helped, too.

No love for poor Daly carrying the mail in Chicago ? And lets all give Nixon a round of applause, for deciding that the country simply couldn't survive an inquiry into a rigged election.

With Republicans like him, who needs Democrats ?

Posted by: Still The Same at July 03, 2023 12:07 PM (JNPFB)

328 The president doesn't wear his back brace: Kennedy lives

Wut?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 03, 2023 12:03 PM (eOEVl)

I've read that. neck shot would have made him slump over. Back brace ended up holding the target in place for the head shot.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 03, 2023 12:07 PM (GzDfN)

329 How many flight personnel did United let go because they refused to take Covid shots? Have they brought any of them back, and if so, how many?

I suspect a lot of airlines' staffing issues are self-created, and created with ignorant or evil intent.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at July 03, 2023 12:07 PM (96wFa)

330 I had a PhD electrical engineer tell me you had to be careful with these little op amps used on printed circuit boards.

"If they had a gain of 100, you could get hundreds of volts out of them!"

He also removed the warranty specifications from a spec I wrote for an electrical inverter. He said it was solid-state so nothing could wear out so no warranty was needed.

He worked for the State of Florida. Recently retired after working there for 30 years.

Posted by: pawn at July 03, 2023 12:07 PM (wsHtO)

331 314 A lot of grief in our country comes out of Illinois. If Mike Ditka would have run for Senate, which was being floated, SCOAMF would have been stuck in Springfield, doing what he does best, nothing. Ditka, being an honorable man, wanted nothing to do with politics.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 12:07 PM (rLD7a)

332 We need a new term for conspiracy theories because more often than not many of them are fact. Maybe we should call them facts.

Theory: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

Hypothesis: a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences

I'll continue to describe what ends up being Spoilers as "theories" and the highly speculative explanations as "hypotheses"

They all involve what is clearly a conspiracy.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 03, 2023 12:07 PM (p8A+W)

333 Don't forget he was portrayed as a devout Irish Catholic (who was banging Marilyn Monroe and taking fists full of drugs from Dr. Feelgood.)

Ya know, I'm kind of inclined to give him -- or anybody -- a pass on that one.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (nfrXX)

334 >>I didn't know the CIA had a mission in Washington D.C. - weren't they supposed to work *outside* the US??

The Church Committee put that fantasy to rest a long time ago. We should have learned then. We didn't.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (ZLI7S)

335 International oilfield construction, working a job in Peru. I went back and forth between Lima and Houston on my field leaves pretty regularly, and it was on Continental Airlines. It was a good flight. Then they merged with United in 2010, and both the aircraft and the service immediately degraded to "dirty, and hit-or-miss on things working." I don't know what United did with the people from Continental who'd been staffing the operations, but they were gone and the newbies from United were significantly untrained; e.g. they really had no clue about the Peruvian end of the regulations they were supposed to be following.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (K58O6)

336 The late 50s into the 60s was a very tumultuous time in America, a lot of people got whacked.

Basically it was the Deep State trying to keep the lid on things and the only tool they could conceive was assassination.

They've learned since then and simply have collected enough incriminating dirt or ran Ops to dirty people up to make them toe the line.

Everyone except that one guy they couldn't co-opt or dirty up.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (up/3i)

337 https://is.gd/7Y7mDN

She's just asking to be motorboarded

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (RqMSv)

338 I understand the Mafia had a strong motive to kill JFK
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The mafia may have killed Kennedy, but it contrary to what we know about the mafia.

First, they don't assassinate civilians or people outside of organized crime. There are exceptions, like Curtis Sliwa. But they don't just because a government official is doing their job.

Second, when the mafia does a hit, it lets everyone now they did the hit. In a quiet way, but it eventually gets out. That's the value of the hit. To send a message to the next guy. That never happened here.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (lf83v)

339 I work for a big multi-national corporation. Fortunately, the biene-pensant blatherings of the C-Suite usually doesn't impact the worker-bees out in the hinterland. Our clients want competence and accurate answers; curiously, mathematics and engineering yields answers that are unaffected by pronouns.

We did get a company-wide survey: "Tell us about your Pride!!! Rah!!! Rah!!" I answered that Pride entails undue self-regard and a disregard for others. Furthermore, pride is a sin, and prideful people cause misery and suffering. I wonder what they thought about that reply to their survey.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 03, 2023 12:09 PM (pJWtt)

340 >>>Umm. I gotta ask. What is a "greenhouse gas?"
Posted by: Just for the record at July 03, 2023 11:11 AM (DhOHl)

When you fart in a conservatory.

>Flatularity is a nascent gold standard of the Green New Deal.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 03, 2023 12:09 PM (KVGVf)

341 > Ya know, I'm kind of inclined to give him -- or anybody -- a pass on that one.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2023 12:08 PM (nfrXX)

Indeed. I'd go so far as to nominate any normal heterosexual man who declined sex with Marilyn Monroe for sainthood.

Jayne Mansfield was still hotter, though.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 03, 2023 12:09 PM (Y6AXb)

342 Electric airplanes will have to recharge in flight in an operation similar to in-flight refueling as done by the military. The charging plane will have generators and tow a charging cord instead of a fuel hose.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

They would have the greatest efficiency by staying tethered for most of the flight.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 12:09 PM (ga8qR)

343 I didn't know the CIA had a mission in Washington D.C. - weren't they supposed to work *outside* the US??
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Washington DC is outside of the United States.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 03, 2023 12:10 PM (lf83v)

344 And the more expensive cars had door ash trays with it's own lighter, and night light. Sometimes in the door, sometimes in the arm rest. Ashtrays for all!
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Even in the back for the kids.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 12:11 PM (ga8qR)

345 I suspect a lot of airlines' staffing issues are self-created, and created with ignorant or evil intent.

That may be true, but do not discount this latest generation who put the emphasis on work/Life "balance".

It is holiday staffing and the low seniority staff want to enjoy the same benefits as high seniority staff and be able to take high passenger traffic days off.

A lot of Mills and Zs have understandable contempt for management. Given the shit Ivies demonstrating that merit is no factor in authority and compensation, those low on the totem pole certainly have reason to not respect hierarchy and position.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 03, 2023 12:12 PM (p8A+W)

346 The risk of an official government operation to assassinate a President by shooting him in a public area far far far outweighs the reward. And if assassination was a plan, there are other covert means that could have been accomplished very easily. Especially with what we know about Kennedy's drug use.

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2023 12:12 PM (cxHZm)

347 Nixon would have had to overturn both TX and IL, and between LBJ and Daley he knew the odds weren't good.

He was a complicated guy. Too introverted to be a politican, and, ironically, too ethical.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 03, 2023 12:12 PM (RqMSv)

348 Washington DC is outside of the United States

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I'll be damned. I'm this old and have never made that connection.

Posted by: Have you figured out that the gay flag is a p3d0 flag? at July 03, 2023 12:13 PM (Scokf)

349 One thing JFK did was spread the accent of the rich amongst the poor. My Dad was born in Finland, came over at five years old and the family landed in MA. They spoke Finnish around the house, and I suppose Dad always had a bit of an accent. And then the red headed Mick steps on stage and suddenly Dad was all Pahk the cah in Hahvahd yahd, but with a little Finnish twist. Mom and I thought it funny when he said Peabody (Pibbidy).

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 12:14 PM (rLD7a)

350 Everyone used to smoke now no one does ( hyperbole warning, in case someone gets triggered)… It seems like the healthier we become, the shittier people we become…

Posted by: tubal at July 03, 2023 12:16 PM (PCK5/)

351 Is fire the specific safety concern, or is the problem related to stresses and load because of the brutally heavy and dense energy source?

I assume the latter. LiFePO4 is stable, unlike lithium-ion, but the weight is likely a killer, especially all in one place.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 03, 2023 12:17 PM (FD5dr)

352 Make airplanes fly with rubber bands again.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 03, 2023 12:19 PM (p+1gI)

353 Nood if anyone is interested…

Posted by: tubal at July 03, 2023 12:20 PM (PCK5/)

354 350 Surgeon General Koop once said that smoking is one of the finer things a person can do for attitude and feeling of well being. And then he listed the physical health issues. I still smoke, but I wouldn't encourage others.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2023 12:23 PM (rLD7a)

355 A lot of Mills and Zs have understandable contempt for management. Given the shit Ivies demonstrating that merit is no factor in authority and compensation, those low on the totem pole certainly have reason to not respect hierarchy and position.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at July 03, 2023 12:12 PM (p8A+W)

find a clip of Robert Barnes discussing the supreme court's decision on quotas: it is long rant that boils down to "quotas are created to support the enrollment of legacy and the children of high value donors who have no ability or scholarship to get contacts to secure employment far outside of their competence"

Posted by: Kindltot - Let's not make this weird at July 03, 2023 12:27 PM (xhaym)

356 > They would have the greatest efficiency by staying tethered for most of the flight.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 03, 2023 12:09 PM (ga8qR)

Have an infantry guy on the ground with a long charging cable, like one of the old-school Cox gas powered model planes.

Having the plane limited to flying in a circle would be a problem, but computerized targeting could probably compensate to some degree.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 03, 2023 12:27 PM (Y6AXb)

357 I would never get on a United flight that hires pilots from a DEI policy.

It's amazing how much of the smooth functioning of society depended on 50-year-old white guys, and what happens when you decide that you are no longer going to hire people like that.
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So much easier to nationalize transportation that way, and keep all of us in our place. Literally.

Posted by: Grateful at July 03, 2023 12:37 PM (IQ6Gq)

358 The electric plane would be just fine if they installed a couple of Merlins

Posted by: Azjaeger at July 03, 2023 12:43 PM (UeW2m)

359 I think something changed, in the minds of that generation, because they could "see" the bullshit rather than simply read about it. They grew up less skeptical because of it.

Probably true really. Look at the people who became super popular because of TV personality: James Dean, The Beatles etc. They were fine, but not mega star territory.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 12:58 PM (0hOvj)

360 First, they don't assassinate civilians or people outside of organized crime.

From what I understand, Giancana did it on his own, he did not get the okay from Acardo (the actual Chicago Outfit boss) or the NY families. Probably he worked with other people to get it done as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 03, 2023 01:00 PM (0hOvj)

361 Kirby's an Air Force veteran with seven children. You'd think he'd be more resistant to wokery than most.

Posted by: Art Deco at July 03, 2023 01:45 PM (SHrUD)

362 >>Kirby's an Air Force veteran

Adam Kinzinger has joined the chat ...

Posted by: Lurk at July 03, 2023 04:30 PM (tdyjx)

363 Hollywood Fool Robert Redford has done TV ads for United ITS TIME TO FLY while opposing Fossil Fuels and selling land to developers

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 03, 2023 04:39 PM (wGqjj)

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