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THE MORNING RANT: Ford Accepts Billions of Dollars from (and Full Capitulation to) Eco-Communist Overlords; Seeks to Emulate Success of Trabant and Solyndra
Even after GM earned the moniker “Government Motors” for its $9 billion government bailout in 2008, Ford Motor Company stood resolutely as an American auto company that could survive and prosper without government assistance, by leveraging all its assets at the time to raise $23 billion in cash and staying independent.
Ford could still thrive and prosper today without government assistance, but that is not the style of modern corporatism. Its executives have fully bent the knee to government and global eco-communists by taking $9 billion from the US government in return for its commitment to fully pursue the electric vehicle fantasy. (One reader calls Ford’s electric vehicle division the “E-dsel.” Heh.) Ford-SK Venture to Get $9.2 Billion US Loan for Battery Plants [Reuters – 6/22/2023]The U.S. Energy Department plans to lend up to $9.2 billion to a joint venture of Ford Motor and South Korea's SK-On to help it build three battery plants in Tennessee and Kentucky, the biggest-ever award from the government program. The conditional commitment for the low-cost government loan for the Blue Oval SK joint venture comes from the government's Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) loan program.“Low cost government loan” is a euphemism for free taxpayer money. If the government is subsidizing either the principal or the interest, it means money is being given to a corporation…with strings attached.
"Major technology transitions have always been accelerated by collaboration between the public and private sectors," said Ford Treasurer Dave Webb.Lada and Trabant were outstanding examples of auto manufacturers working closely with government overseers to provide consumers with vehicles the government would allow its citizens to purchase. In regards to the “energy transition,” Solyndra is an outstanding example of “collaboration between the public and private sectors.” (If you don’t recall, Solyndra sought to revolutionize the solar panel industry, and burned through $570 Million of “government loans” before it suspended operations.) Ford’s executives have chosen to abandon its capitalist roots, and now seek to emulate Trabant and Solyndra by “collaborating” with the government in financing a “technology transition” in the automotive industry.
Congress funded the program in 2009, when it appropriated $7.5 billion to cover the subsidy cost for the $25 billion in loans Appropriations for the program do not cover the entire value of the loans but instead cover the “subsidy cost” (i.e., the risk of default). For the original appropriation, Congress assumed a subsidy rate of 30%, meaning that $7.5 billion would be sufficient to fund $25 billion in total loan value.I knew that Congress had long ago outsourced lawmaking to the permanent bureaucracy. I did not realize it had also permanently outsourced appropriations authority to the bureaucracy too.
The upcoming move by the automaker is part of a continuing effort to streamline operations and reduce costs. The layoffs will be announced as early as next week, people familiar with the situation tell The Journal.Ford has a successful gas-powered car division that its executives are ashamed of, and it clearly feels about its loyal truck and SUV customers the way Anheuser Busch feels about its (former) Bud Light customer base. It actively dislikes those customers, and seeks to replace them with the types of people who would never consider their product in the first place. So Ford just keeps terminating employees who are involved in manufacturing products that customers desire, and which generate actual cash flow. Since Ford is committed to destroying its legacy business in favor of EVs, how are its electric vehicle sales coming along? Very poorly. In fact, Ford’s EV sales are decreasing. The novelty is gone. There is no mass market of potential Ford EV customers to follow the handful of early adopters. Per The Ford Authority, Ford’s electric vehicle sales fell 13% in May 2023 compared to May 2022. Ford sold just 5,444 EVs last month, compared to 154,744 vehicles with gas-powered engines, which were up 11% year over year. For what it’s worth, consumers are assertively rejecting the electric Mustang. Its May 2023 sales of 2,917 units were down 44% from May 2022, while gas-powered Mustang sales easily outsold the electric version, up 11% year over year. Yet Ford’s executives, being obedient apparatchiks of the communist ruling class, are determined to kill off its ICE vehicles and replace them with their unwanted EVs. Ford’s most popular vehicle is the F150 pickup truck, and its flagship electric vehicle is the Ford F150 Lightning. Unfortunately for Ford, the Lightning is extremely unpopular with F150 buyers, constituting just 2% of sales, both year to date, and in the most recent full month. But Ford is ramping up electric pickup production all the same. No Reservations: Ford is Charging Up Electric F-150 Lightning Production
Ford's plan to increase production of the electric F-150 Lightning is moving full steam ahead. Ford delivered just 7,333 of the pickups through May, due largely to downtime at the factory as work to upgrade it was being completed.“…due largely to downtime at the factory as work to upgrade it was being completed.” Heh. The “upgrade” was due to a sales moratorium placed on all Lightnings when one spontaneously burst into flames in the lot of a Ford Production facility. This is a picture of the Ford Lightning that spontaneously combusted.
It has now announced that reservations are no longer necessary and that some vehicles ordered today should be delivered as soon as September.Ford has staked its future on a product that its customers are enthusiastically rejecting. And why are customers rejecting the Ford Lightning? Because it can’t do basic pickup truck functions such as carrying heavy loads in cold weather.
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)
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UGH, Ford so disappoints me......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)
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Ford CEO is a woman, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
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Eh, don’t really care. Let Ford die.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 26, 2023 11:03 AM (BrBIn)
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Stealing elections is good business in Detroit.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 26, 2023 11:03 AM (4eKPg)
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Ford CEO is a woman, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
No...a socialist...they are fungible.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
No...a socialist...they are fungible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (PHmov)
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If nothing else om my last new Ford truck
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (mnkIC)
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Once again, if it's such a good idea, why do you have to go to the government to borrow money rather than the market?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (lf83v)
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saw an article recently about how hybrid cars with plug-in battery charging are totally the best option.
How could they mess up the beauty of a hybrid -- that you don't need to charge it -- with this?
They WANT dependence on the electrical grid. They WANT the grid to be so taxed by EVs that scarcity will make all cars too expensive/unusable.
How could they mess up the beauty of a hybrid -- that you don't need to charge it -- with this?
They WANT dependence on the electrical grid. They WANT the grid to be so taxed by EVs that scarcity will make all cars too expensive/unusable.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:05 AM (avru5)
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Ford's kind of been slowly dying as a business for at least a decade now.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:05 AM (eYoxG)
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The assumption is that EV mandates will force consumers to purchase EVs, whether they want to or not.
California tried that in the '90's - it didn't work.
California tried that in the '90's - it didn't work.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 26, 2023 11:05 AM (2tUFv)
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Good. I want all the Ford layabouts out of work, smoking fentanyl and driving EV's.
Fuck them all.
Fuck them all.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2023 11:06 AM (HiuPw)
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A bunch of us saw the writing on the wall years ago at Ford, specifically at the end of the ex-Boeing engineer Alan Mulally’s time, around 2010.
I took a voluntary earlyish retirement and haven’t looked back. The Black rock influence will do them in.
I took a voluntary earlyish retirement and haven’t looked back. The Black rock influence will do them in.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:06 AM (w/J9x)
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>>No...a socialist...they are fungible.
Ah, OK. Just assumed that this doomed-to-fail strategy of EVs based on emotions had to be led by a woman.
Ah, OK. Just assumed that this doomed-to-fail strategy of EVs based on emotions had to be led by a woman.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:06 AM (avru5)
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Found On Road Dead.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at June 26, 2023 11:07 AM (uHAQV)
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The only thing EVs need to outperform ICE is magic fairy dust and Pete Buttigieg is Secretary of Transportation.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:07 AM (FVME7)
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Ford = Mexican Motor Company.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:07 AM (lf83v)
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The lightbulb over the blue oval just went out. Sorry, Henry.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Uv0D2)
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I was a Chevy guy my entire driving life up until they took money from Obammy. Then, I switched to Ford. I was pleasantly surprised by the quality and reliability of Ford F-150 products then - I don't know what Ford is thinking now.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (gmo/4)
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I own nothing but Fords. Well, on Mercury, but.....
This pisses me off. I've been a Ford fan most of my life. I would piss on the C-Suites if they were NOT on fire.
This pisses me off. I've been a Ford fan most of my life. I would piss on the C-Suites if they were NOT on fire.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)
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How is this government funding even authorized? According to the Congressional Research Service, $7.5 billion was appropriated by Congress back in 2009 for the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) Loan Program, and somehow that long-ago appropriation gives bureaucrats in 2023 the authorization to distribute $9 billion of taxpayer dollars.
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A $9B loan from the govt doesn’t mean the govt is giving Ford $9B. Presumably the $9B will be paid back. The cost of the loan is the difference between market rate interest and the interest rate the govt is giving Ford. So depending on how long the loan is for and what “low interest” means, the giveaway to Ford will be in the low $100Ms.
Plus there was a ton of shit like this in the Inflation Reduction Act (lol at that name each time). The whole bill was virtually all green new deal crap. So there is plenty of money around for schemes like this.
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A $9B loan from the govt doesn’t mean the govt is giving Ford $9B. Presumably the $9B will be paid back. The cost of the loan is the difference between market rate interest and the interest rate the govt is giving Ford. So depending on how long the loan is for and what “low interest” means, the giveaway to Ford will be in the low $100Ms.
Plus there was a ton of shit like this in the Inflation Reduction Act (lol at that name each time). The whole bill was virtually all green new deal crap. So there is plenty of money around for schemes like this.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (ju3/i)
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||Travis @Travis_in_Flint
Happening Now: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
According to IRS Agent Gary Shapely his office was constantly stopped from properly investigating Hunter and even stopped from doing a search of the Biden guest house where Hunter stayed and sent the threatening text to a Chinese Communist businessman.
6 other high ranking DOJ officials have now corroborated his story about top officials blocking them from properly investigating Hunter.||
https://tinyurl.com/mvbesap3
Happening Now: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
According to IRS Agent Gary Shapely his office was constantly stopped from properly investigating Hunter and even stopped from doing a search of the Biden guest house where Hunter stayed and sent the threatening text to a Chinese Communist businessman.
6 other high ranking DOJ officials have now corroborated his story about top officials blocking them from properly investigating Hunter.||
https://tinyurl.com/mvbesap3
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Vwz3I)
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But enough of the gloom and doom! Trump is not tweeting! That's what is important here!
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Wy1BU)
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Ford’s executives have chosen to abandon its capitalist roots, and now seek to emulate Trabant and Solyndra by “collaborating” with the government in financing a “technology transition” in the automotive industry.
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It worked out well for the Trabant. They were one of only two car makers in East Germany, and they made the cheap one that some people could actually afford. Sure it was made out of cotton and had a two-stroke engine and it was dreadfully unreliable, but when you're the only game in town...
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It worked out well for the Trabant. They were one of only two car makers in East Germany, and they made the cheap one that some people could actually afford. Sure it was made out of cotton and had a two-stroke engine and it was dreadfully unreliable, but when you're the only game in town...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (t0OGg)
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I still think the EV bubble will collapse in a few years when batteries of the first edition give up
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (mnkIC)
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17 Ford = Mexican Motor Company.
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Its a Finance company that makes cars in Mexico.
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Its a Finance company that makes cars in Mexico.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (4eKPg)
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but that is not the style of modern corporatism. Its executives have fully bent the knee to government and global eco-communists by taking $9 billion from the US government in return for its commitment to fully pursue the electric vehicle fantasy.
This is a new crowd. I believe this is a bending from the waist, not the knee.
This is a new crowd. I believe this is a bending from the waist, not the knee.
Posted by: t-bird at June 26, 2023 11:09 AM (e2onP)
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Sponge first at first. Today is going to be a good day.
As to Ford's EV branch doing poorly: Inability to tow a heavy load more than 100 miles, extreme fire hazard if the battery pack ignites, inability to properly charge or operate for long in bitter winter cold conditions... I'm sure the fleet customers that use trucks for actual work are just standing in line to spend money on your new EV offerings, because they sound just so appealing.
As to Ford's EV branch doing poorly: Inability to tow a heavy load more than 100 miles, extreme fire hazard if the battery pack ignites, inability to properly charge or operate for long in bitter winter cold conditions... I'm sure the fleet customers that use trucks for actual work are just standing in line to spend money on your new EV offerings, because they sound just so appealing.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (nRMeC)
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Yet Ford’s executives, being obedient apparatchiks of the communist ruling class, are determined to kill off its ICE vehicles and replace them with their unwanted EVs.
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The ruling class here and abroad (including within Red China, which is EV-horny to the point of catastrophic malinvestment).
Toyota might end up having the last laugh in all this.
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The ruling class here and abroad (including within Red China, which is EV-horny to the point of catastrophic malinvestment).
Toyota might end up having the last laugh in all this.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (t0OGg)
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I was pleasantly surprised by the quality and reliability of Ford F-150 products then - I don't know what Ford is thinking now.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (gmo/4)
Yes my 5.0L F150 is a durable beast, but they cannot seem to tolerate success.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (gmo/4)
Yes my 5.0L F150 is a durable beast, but they cannot seem to tolerate success.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (w/J9x)
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22 ||Travis @Travis_in_Flint
Happening Now: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
https://tinyurl.com/mvbesap3
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Vwz3I)
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Alright. We're gonna get our impeachment theater.
Happening Now: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
https://tinyurl.com/mvbesap3
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Vwz3I)
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Alright. We're gonna get our impeachment theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
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7 If nothing else om my last new Ford truck
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM
Me, too, although mine was new to me as a used 2018.
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM
Me, too, although mine was new to me as a used 2018.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (Uv0D2)
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While Ford goes fully electric, Toyota announced it will continue making internal combustion the centerpiece of its product line.
Pretty obvious which company is the better investment.
Pretty obvious which company is the better investment.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (RCQvR)
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Now, remember, these companies are cheerfully committing suicide on their own. Which is a shame. I’d buy a F150 or an Edge, no problem. Gas-powered.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (moK1X)
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I was watching a podcast of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia." Glenn "Dennis Reynolds" Howerton had a hilarious story about his Tesla 3.
He parked it in an underground garage then discovered that he needed an active internet connection to get back into his car or start it. The garage blocked the signals. His key fob was broken and he didn't know how to manually open the car with it (uses a chip reader). It took him a day and a half or so to figure out how to get his car out of the parking garage. Tesla customer support was useless.
He parked it in an underground garage then discovered that he needed an active internet connection to get back into his car or start it. The garage blocked the signals. His key fob was broken and he didn't know how to manually open the car with it (uses a chip reader). It took him a day and a half or so to figure out how to get his car out of the parking garage. Tesla customer support was useless.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (YIVH2)
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I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
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Maybe I should pick up a nice, late model Continental while I still can.
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Maybe I should pick up a nice, late model Continental while I still can.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)
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I'm planning on getting a ICE Lincoln this year before they're no longer available. I hope it's the right choice.
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (G0vdT)
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Ford is also looking to eliminate sales staff. Dealerships would become just service centers. Granted - most of their money comes from service, but....
Vehicles will be ordered online, and dropped off at your Forddealership service center. No more test drives, kicking the tires, etc.
Vehicles will be ordered online, and dropped off at your Ford
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (N39Ws)
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Even the F150 twin turbos really don't hold up against V8s. Raw numbers look good, but there still is no replacement for displacement.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 26, 2023 11:12 AM (N39Ws)
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17 Ford = Mexican Motor Company.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:07 AM (lf83v)
I was shocked to find that Mexico’s labor costs are 1/3 that of Eastern Europe.
And Ford claimed they could not make money on the Fusion, which was a really good car, made in MX. If true, that is management dishonesty or incompetence.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:07 AM (lf83v)
I was shocked to find that Mexico’s labor costs are 1/3 that of Eastern Europe.
And Ford claimed they could not make money on the Fusion, which was a really good car, made in MX. If true, that is management dishonesty or incompetence.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:12 AM (w/J9x)
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"Ford’s electric vehicle sales fell 13% in May 2023"
Who the f*** want's a muscle car that sounds like a golf cart? Roaring engine is part of the attraction. Or do have they artificial, computer generated sound?
Who the f*** want's a muscle car that sounds like a golf cart? Roaring engine is part of the attraction. Or do have they artificial, computer generated sound?
Posted by: Ripley at June 26, 2023 11:12 AM (Af8ZB)
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The Three Laws of Thermodynamics, how do they work?
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (OgrpQ)
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I’m old enough to remember when companies responded to the demands of their customers by giving them what they want.
The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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I have only owned cars made by Japanese companies. Screw Detroit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (BrBIn)
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Sure it was made out of cotton and had a two-stroke engine and it was dreadfully unreliable, but when you're the only game in town...
Titan 2.0 will be built of the environmentally-indestructible DuraPlast. Cotton is a lot cheaper than carbon fiber, and it's the resin that provides the structural strength, anyways.
Titan 2.0 will be built of the environmentally-indestructible DuraPlast. Cotton is a lot cheaper than carbon fiber, and it's the resin that provides the structural strength, anyways.
Posted by: OceansGate Entertainment at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (CaJIi)
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TOYOTA + Feather Shaving Blades= I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (IlL6s)
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43 I’m old enough to remember when companies responded to the demands of their customers by giving them what they want.
The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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Government subsidies aren't all that much about getting customers to buy what they want. Otherwise, subsidies wouldn't be necessary.
The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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Government subsidies aren't all that much about getting customers to buy what they want. Otherwise, subsidies wouldn't be necessary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)
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There are something like 60,000 charging stations in the country, but only about 20% are fast chargers...the rest are essentially overnight chargers.
And those fast chargers still take almost an hour for a full charge.
There are more than 150,000 gas stations in America, and each has at least several refueling points (some have dozens). Refueling an ICE car takes five minutes.
Yes...yes...too much math already, but do the math!
EVs suck, and will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.
And those fast chargers still take almost an hour for a full charge.
There are more than 150,000 gas stations in America, and each has at least several refueling points (some have dozens). Refueling an ICE car takes five minutes.
Yes...yes...too much math already, but do the math!
EVs suck, and will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (PHmov)
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I think the deep state has another plan up their sleeve. Right now fuel tax revenue is drastically dipping over the last decade . Mainly because cars are more fuel efficient. So the Deep State players are trying to push a tax per mile driven plan. Of course that would require a mile monitor in your car.
Posted by: polynikes at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (FuraN)
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (gmo/4)
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I still think the EV bubble will collapse in a few years when batteries of the first edition give up
Posted by: Skip
Yes. When you go to turn it in as a trade-in or dispose of it and are hit with a disposal fee for the battery, things will get interesting.
Posted by: Skip
Yes. When you go to turn it in as a trade-in or dispose of it and are hit with a disposal fee for the battery, things will get interesting.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (JkCto)
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Thts basically the Tesla model which has been very successful for them. You can still test drive. But the sales process is online, no spending 5 hours negotiating with a sales rep then the manager then the finance guy, etc. Every manufacturer need to go this route.
Thts basically the Tesla model which has been very successful for them. You can still test drive. But the sales process is online, no spending 5 hours negotiating with a sales rep then the manager then the finance guy, etc. Every manufacturer need to go this route.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (ju3/i)
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Vehicles will be ordered online, and dropped off at your Ford dealership service center. No more test drives, kicking the tires, etc.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (N39Ws)
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And no more negotiation or pesky franchise owners who might make a deal.
Deals *can* be made, depending on circumstances. I was able to bend over the Hyundai dealer when I bought my car several years ago. Hyundai was having a bad year and I did my homework - including counting the inventory on their lot, cruising by the classification yard, and looking into how many new models were reportedly being stuffed into the channel.
I got an astoundingly good deal on that car (around 35% off of MSRP), but it took dickering with an actual human - a human who didn't like me in the slightest - for a few hours to do it.
*None* of that can happen with online sales.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (N39Ws)
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And no more negotiation or pesky franchise owners who might make a deal.
Deals *can* be made, depending on circumstances. I was able to bend over the Hyundai dealer when I bought my car several years ago. Hyundai was having a bad year and I did my homework - including counting the inventory on their lot, cruising by the classification yard, and looking into how many new models were reportedly being stuffed into the channel.
I got an astoundingly good deal on that car (around 35% off of MSRP), but it took dickering with an actual human - a human who didn't like me in the slightest - for a few hours to do it.
*None* of that can happen with online sales.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (t0OGg)
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By the way (before I hit the road in an evil traditional car)…I wonder how much longer before this nonsense causes used cars to APPRECIATE in value???
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (moK1X)
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Well, now Lord Mr. Ford, I just wish that you could see
What your simple horseless carriage has become
Well, it seems your contribution to man
To say the least, got a little out of hand
Well, Lord Mr. Ford, what have you done...
What your simple horseless carriage has become
Well, it seems your contribution to man
To say the least, got a little out of hand
Well, Lord Mr. Ford, what have you done...
Posted by: Zombie Jerry Reed at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (HiuPw)
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My F-150 is a 2013, it's great for hauling all the tools I need in a day but it goes I will downsize
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (mnkIC)
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I think the deep state has another plan up their sleeve. Right now fuel tax revenue is drastically dipping over the last decade . Mainly because cars are more fuel efficient. So the Deep State players are trying to push a tax per mile driven plan. Of course that would require a mile monitor in your car.
Posted by: polynikes at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (FuraN)
IE your smart phone.
Posted by: polynikes at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (FuraN)
IE your smart phone.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (OgrpQ)
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I'm planning on getting a ICE Lincoln this year before they're no longer available. I hope it's the right choice.
Posted by: WisRich
My pappy said, "Son, you're gonna' drive me to drinkin'
If you don't stop drivin' that IC Lincoln."
Posted by: WisRich
My pappy said, "Son, you're gonna' drive me to drinkin'
If you don't stop drivin' that IC Lincoln."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (FVME7)
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I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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Sponge first at first. Today is going to be a good day.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (nRMeC)
WOOT!
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:10 AM (nRMeC)
WOOT!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)
61
Morning.
Eeee Veeees!
Great idea for the big city. Ride your little fag mobile to the bodega 'round the corner then go to Starbucks and get a venti doublefrappamochachino latte with fat free soy milk while reading the Washington Post before going back home and getting your ass plowed by your transwife named Carl.
Real America needs real cars and trucks.
Eeee Veeees!
Great idea for the big city. Ride your little fag mobile to the bodega 'round the corner then go to Starbucks and get a venti doublefrappamochachino latte with fat free soy milk while reading the Washington Post before going back home and getting your ass plowed by your transwife named Carl.
Real America needs real cars and trucks.
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (1Yy3c)
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>>House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
OK, what really bugs me about how all of this is being framed as: Hunter used his access to VP dad to make business deals.
No. I think we can all agree Hunter is not the mastermind here, right? His emails, etc.. show that he was (is) unhappy with the role Pops put him in: the family bagman that did Joe's dirty work. That's why Hunter paid for all Biden family stuff, it was/is a family business. NOT a wayward son grifting off of a relationship (like, say, Roger Clinton did).
This is the reality: Joe Biden used son to negotiate pay-to-play deals. Therefore, Merrick Garland was suppressing investigation into POTUS' corruption.
OK, what really bugs me about how all of this is being framed as: Hunter used his access to VP dad to make business deals.
No. I think we can all agree Hunter is not the mastermind here, right? His emails, etc.. show that he was (is) unhappy with the role Pops put him in: the family bagman that did Joe's dirty work. That's why Hunter paid for all Biden family stuff, it was/is a family business. NOT a wayward son grifting off of a relationship (like, say, Roger Clinton did).
This is the reality: Joe Biden used son to negotiate pay-to-play deals. Therefore, Merrick Garland was suppressing investigation into POTUS' corruption.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (avru5)
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{35} ... It took him a day and a half or so to figure out how to get his car out of the parking garage. Tesla customer support was useless.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (YIVH2)
Another classic example of why the "Internet of Things" (IoT) is really the Idiocy of Tech. Perfessor, maybe fire the details of that story over to Pixy for the early morning tech thread? This has great snark potential.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:11 AM (YIVH2)
Another classic example of why the "Internet of Things" (IoT) is really the Idiocy of Tech. Perfessor, maybe fire the details of that story over to Pixy for the early morning tech thread? This has great snark potential.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (nRMeC)
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||Travis @Travis_in_Flint
Happening Now: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
https://tinyurl.com/mvbesap3
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM
*a few moments later*
Gosh, we just couldn't put together enough support for an impeachment. Send us more money to elect Republicans so that we can do better in the future!
Happening Now: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the House will be launching an impeachment inquiry into AG Merrick Garland for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden investigation.
https://tinyurl.com/mvbesap3
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM
*a few moments later*
Gosh, we just couldn't put together enough support for an impeachment. Send us more money to elect Republicans so that we can do better in the future!
Posted by: Kevin McCarthy at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (FVJNG)
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My Ford (2002 Escape) increased in blue book value considerably in recent years. Either the car is worth more or the dollar is worth less.
Likely both.
Likely both.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (MeG8a)
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Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (ju3/i)
Ah...we can always count on you, Moo Moo/Joe Xiden!
EVs RULE!
Ah...we can always count on you, Moo Moo/Joe Xiden!
EVs RULE!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (PHmov)
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I can’t imagine buying a car online, I at least have to test drive it to see how it feels.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (moK1X)
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My pappy said, "Son, you're gonna' drive me to drinkin'
If you don't stop drivin' that IC Lincoln."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (FVME7)
*golfclap*
Well done, sir. Well done.
My pappy said, "Son, you're gonna' drive me to drinkin'
If you don't stop drivin' that IC Lincoln."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (FVME7)
*golfclap*
Well done, sir. Well done.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)
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Even the F150 twin turbos really don't hold up against V8s. Raw numbers look good, but there still is no replacement for displacement.
I disagree, the 3.5 twin turbo will out-tow my V8, but I changed the alternator and water pump in my driveway on my 5.0L, when it had 150,000 on it. Gotta remove the front cover on the 3.5 to get to the water pump. Ugh
I disagree, the 3.5 twin turbo will out-tow my V8, but I changed the alternator and water pump in my driveway on my 5.0L, when it had 150,000 on it. Gotta remove the front cover on the 3.5 to get to the water pump. Ugh
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (w/J9x)
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I got an astoundingly good deal on that car (around 35% off of MSRP), but it took dickering with an actual human - a human who didn't like me in the slightest - for a few hours to do it.
Imagine my disappointment if the car salesman won't be my best friend forever.
Imagine my disappointment if the car salesman won't be my best friend forever.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (eOEVl)
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And Ford claimed they could not make money on the Fusion, which was a really good car, made in MX. If true, that is management dishonesty or incompetence.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:12 AM (w/J9x)
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How? It has to be incompetence. When I bought my Sonata, the Fusion was the other major contender. The Fusion had a slightly higher MSRP and is a slightly smaller car but they're competitors. Equivalent (or at least similar) trim and options. The Sonata is built in the US (including the powertrain manufacturing) and South Korea - neither is a low-cost jurisdiction. The Fusion is built in Mexico. Yet the Fusion has a higher price and Ford isn't making money on it?
Something is wrong at FoMoCo if that's the case.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:12 AM (w/J9x)
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How? It has to be incompetence. When I bought my Sonata, the Fusion was the other major contender. The Fusion had a slightly higher MSRP and is a slightly smaller car but they're competitors. Equivalent (or at least similar) trim and options. The Sonata is built in the US (including the powertrain manufacturing) and South Korea - neither is a low-cost jurisdiction. The Fusion is built in Mexico. Yet the Fusion has a higher price and Ford isn't making money on it?
Something is wrong at FoMoCo if that's the case.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
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EV's will always suck. Now give me a vehicle with a Mr. Fusion power plant that also files, and I might be swayed.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (gmo/4)
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I still think the EV bubble will collapse in a few years when batteries of the first edition give up
Posted by: Skip
Too Big To Fail
I still think the EV bubble will collapse in a few years when batteries of the first edition give up
Posted by: Skip
Too Big To Fail
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2023 11:17 AM (63Dwl)
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I would also note that EV charging doesn't have a 'fuel' tax right now and only reason the advocates can say it's 'fuel' is cheaper.
Posted by: polynikes at June 26, 2023 11:17 AM (FuraN)
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Maybe Ford will get the multi trillion dollar Feral Government contract to build the JoeyChooChoo Interoceanic Railroad next.
Out: The Bridges to Nowhere and the 21st Century.
In: The California Train and Biden Interoceanic Railroads to Nowhere.
Out: The Bridges to Nowhere and the 21st Century.
In: The California Train and Biden Interoceanic Railroads to Nowhere.
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:17 AM (mhl6G)
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Another classic example of why the "Internet of Things" (IoT) is really the Idiocy of Tech. Perfessor, maybe fire the details of that story over to Pixy for the early morning tech thread? This has great snark potential.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (nRMeC)
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Not a bad idea...Glenn really does tell a great story here. His point at the end is that the technology failed him, but that experience also restored his faith in humanity because the people he dealt with were all terrific. They just wanted to help him out, even though they were often stumped by the technology problem.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (nRMeC)
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Not a bad idea...Glenn really does tell a great story here. His point at the end is that the technology failed him, but that experience also restored his faith in humanity because the people he dealt with were all terrific. They just wanted to help him out, even though they were often stumped by the technology problem.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:17 AM (YIVH2)
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Washington state increased their gas tax recently surpassing CA as the highest in the nation. Also, WA has banned the sale of new ICE vehicles in 2030 in the state. I wonder where all that gas tax revenue will come from?
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:17 AM (ju3/i)
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It's going on all over...
||GM Prez To Canada: You’re Going To Have To Bribe People With Their Own Money To Sell EV’s
Feds and provinces need to offer more EV incentives to consumers to compete with U.S.: GM
The president of General Motors Canada says she’d like to see the provincial and federal governments offer more consistent incentives to people hoping to purchase electric vehicles to compete with the options in the United States, and to increase the adoption rate for those types of vehicles.
Marissa West told CTV’s Question Period host Vassy Kapelos, in an interview airing Sunday, that while the different levels of government have been very collaborative with electric vehicle manufacturers, there needs to be a consistent mechanism in place so Canada can “keep pace” with the United States.||
||GM Prez To Canada: You’re Going To Have To Bribe People With Their Own Money To Sell EV’s
Feds and provinces need to offer more EV incentives to consumers to compete with U.S.: GM
The president of General Motors Canada says she’d like to see the provincial and federal governments offer more consistent incentives to people hoping to purchase electric vehicles to compete with the options in the United States, and to increase the adoption rate for those types of vehicles.
Marissa West told CTV’s Question Period host Vassy Kapelos, in an interview airing Sunday, that while the different levels of government have been very collaborative with electric vehicle manufacturers, there needs to be a consistent mechanism in place so Canada can “keep pace” with the United States.||
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:18 AM (Vwz3I)
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Conservatives (a/k/a pragmatists) fail to understand the potential value of the court system to make the Left's goals more difficult to obtain.
Ford's battery manufacturing will lead to heavy metal pollution that will leach into water that children will drink. Its cars represent a danger to consumers who would prefer not to be fried alive. Its board has intentionally chosen a business model which harms its investors. Has Ford properly disclosed all risks of the EVs in its SEC filings?
How do we get around leftist judges? Forum shopping in red states and sue and settle agreements with friendly state AGs?
Ford's battery manufacturing will lead to heavy metal pollution that will leach into water that children will drink. Its cars represent a danger to consumers who would prefer not to be fried alive. Its board has intentionally chosen a business model which harms its investors. Has Ford properly disclosed all risks of the EVs in its SEC filings?
How do we get around leftist judges? Forum shopping in red states and sue and settle agreements with friendly state AGs?
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at June 26, 2023 11:18 AM (gf7Ez)
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It's going on all over, Part Deux:
||Ottawa Betting Big With $13B Subsidy To Secure Volkswagen Deal. Here’s Why
There’s nothing small about the $13 billion in subsidies that Canada has promised Volkswagen to secure the automaker’s first battery plant outside of Europe, but it remains to be seen whether the deal is enough to kick start the manufacturing sector’s future.
The rising sticker shock of establishing a manufacturing base for electric vehicles is, depending on who you ask, either a worthy investment to secure the next generation of auto assembly or a sign that Canada should consider giving up the subsidy race and not worry so much about the sector in general.||
||Ottawa Betting Big With $13B Subsidy To Secure Volkswagen Deal. Here’s Why
There’s nothing small about the $13 billion in subsidies that Canada has promised Volkswagen to secure the automaker’s first battery plant outside of Europe, but it remains to be seen whether the deal is enough to kick start the manufacturing sector’s future.
The rising sticker shock of establishing a manufacturing base for electric vehicles is, depending on who you ask, either a worthy investment to secure the next generation of auto assembly or a sign that Canada should consider giving up the subsidy race and not worry so much about the sector in general.||
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:18 AM (Vwz3I)
81
46 TOYOTA + Feather Shaving Blades= I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM
We have 2 Japanese vehicles, a Subaru and a Tacoma, but not a Feather Shaving blade. What is that?
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM
We have 2 Japanese vehicles, a Subaru and a Tacoma, but not a Feather Shaving blade. What is that?
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2023 11:18 AM (Uv0D2)
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Well, now Lord Mr. Ford, I just wish that you could see
What your simple horseless carriage has become
Well, it seems your contribution to man
To say the least, got a little out of hand
Well, Lord Mr. Ford, what have you done...
Posted by: Zombie Jerry Reed at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (HiuPw)
Another one....The Horde is pulling out the stops today.
What your simple horseless carriage has become
Well, it seems your contribution to man
To say the least, got a little out of hand
Well, Lord Mr. Ford, what have you done...
Posted by: Zombie Jerry Reed at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (HiuPw)
Another one....The Horde is pulling out the stops today.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)
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I think the deep state has another plan up their sleeve. Right now fuel tax revenue is drastically dipping over the last decade . Mainly because cars are more fuel efficient. So the Deep State players are trying to push a tax per mile driven plan. Of course that would require a mile monitor in your car.
Posted by: polynikes at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (FuraN)
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It does not require anything of the sort, but it will be used to justify the installation of tracking devices in every vehicle operated by a private citizen.
Your car already has a mile monitor: the odometer. If they want to charge a mileage tax, they can do it right now without any changes in technology: read the damn odometer.
But they will ignore that and impose GPS trackers in every vehicle because that satisfies an entirely different goal - constant, real-time monitoring of everyone's movements in the entire country - that people would object to otherwise.
Posted by: polynikes at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (FuraN)
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It does not require anything of the sort, but it will be used to justify the installation of tracking devices in every vehicle operated by a private citizen.
Your car already has a mile monitor: the odometer. If they want to charge a mileage tax, they can do it right now without any changes in technology: read the damn odometer.
But they will ignore that and impose GPS trackers in every vehicle because that satisfies an entirely different goal - constant, real-time monitoring of everyone's movements in the entire country - that people would object to otherwise.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
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I still think the EV bubble will collapse in a few years when batteries of the first edition give up
Is this really the time to be talking about collapsing bubbles?
Is this really the time to be talking about collapsing bubbles?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)
85
Reagan never should have bailed out Chrysler.
That set the stage for so, so much corporate-goverment cronyism.
Let them die.
The unions he saved then pumped hundreds of millions into Democrats coffers; the corporation same; it helped keep the Rust Belt deep blue; the nominal number of members who voted for him didn't pull the "R" lever until Trump.
Total failure.
His second worst failure after amnesty.
That set the stage for so, so much corporate-goverment cronyism.
Let them die.
The unions he saved then pumped hundreds of millions into Democrats coffers; the corporation same; it helped keep the Rust Belt deep blue; the nominal number of members who voted for him didn't pull the "R" lever until Trump.
Total failure.
His second worst failure after amnesty.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (HSPw/)
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The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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EV's are a little like communism: Supporters don't blame their failures because they insist it wasn't done right.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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EV's are a little like communism: Supporters don't blame their failures because they insist it wasn't done right.
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (G0vdT)
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Something is wrong at FoMoCo if that's the case.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
Weirdly, but at the very top of this comment section is something called "content," which addresses that very point!
I know...I know...that's ridiculous.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
Weirdly, but at the very top of this comment section is something called "content," which addresses that very point!
I know...I know...that's ridiculous.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (PHmov)
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The president of General Motors Canada says she’d like to see the provincial and federal governments offer more consistent incentives to people hoping to purchase electric vehicles to compete with the options in the United States, and to increase the adoption rate for those types of vehicles.
Litium batteries + the frozen tundra. Good choice.
Litium batteries + the frozen tundra. Good choice.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (GIBR7)
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Hey
They can combine impeachment of Garland an the repeal of Obamacare in the same vote!
That is some GOPe right there
Hey
They can combine impeachment of Garland an the repeal of Obamacare in the same vote!
That is some GOPe right there
Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (7jVQM)
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I just had a thought.
How about we do this. It'll settle a lot of the culture wars we have today.
Forcibly relocate the entire population of Bew York City and repopulate it with all the homos. Then they'll be able to, uh..."love without limits," as they say, till they're blew in the face and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
As for the old Noo!Yawkers...Uh...how about just moving them to Canada?
How about we do this. It'll settle a lot of the culture wars we have today.
Forcibly relocate the entire population of Bew York City and repopulate it with all the homos. Then they'll be able to, uh..."love without limits," as they say, till they're blew in the face and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
As for the old Noo!Yawkers...Uh...how about just moving them to Canada?
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (1Yy3c)
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Can't wait for my utility provider telling other EVers they can't charge their vehicles because it's too hot and the winds not blowing.
Posted by: Regional Distribution at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (8i+57)
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I can’t imagine buying a car online, I at least have to test drive it to see how it feels.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (moK1X)
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No kidding. There's a lot of factors that go into buying a car that you can't get just by browsing online. Does it handle well? Do you have adequate visibility in all directions? Are the controls relatively intuitive? Questions that can only be answered through a hands-on experience.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (moK1X)
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No kidding. There's a lot of factors that go into buying a car that you can't get just by browsing online. Does it handle well? Do you have adequate visibility in all directions? Are the controls relatively intuitive? Questions that can only be answered through a hands-on experience.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (YIVH2)
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6 Ford CEO is a woman, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
No...a socialist...they are fungible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (PHmov)
Socialist =/= woman
I mean look at Ayn Rand. Actually, don't- she be crazy.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
No...a socialist...they are fungible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (PHmov)
Socialist =/= woman
I mean look at Ayn Rand. Actually, don't- she be crazy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (zZu0s)
94
Fascism is taking over from the government handouts, that's how it gets a hold of corporations
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (mnkIC)
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I use a 2003 GMC one-ton with dump box, with a 6100 kinda-hemi V8, peak power about 300HP which is an awful lot. Unloaded, you can trick the transmission into early shifts and eke 15 MPG, pretty damn good for a biggish truck. Fully loaded, it's only 10 MPG, what you'd expect. That's a huge percentage, which I'm perfectly willing to accept.
The difference is that I have 50 gallons of fuel. The problem with the EV layout is that they can't achieve any reserve of power and range. They're right on the ragged edge, and it renders them unusable.
The difference is that I have 50 gallons of fuel. The problem with the EV layout is that they can't achieve any reserve of power and range. They're right on the ragged edge, and it renders them unusable.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (4PZHB)
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Weirdly, but at the very top of this comment section is something called "content," which addresses that very point!
I know...I know...that's ridiculous.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (PHmov)
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LOL. Only tangentially, in this case. Having EV-obsessed execs is one thing, but failure of cost control across the entire production chain is entirely another.
I know...I know...that's ridiculous.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (PHmov)
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LOL. Only tangentially, in this case. Having EV-obsessed execs is one thing, but failure of cost control across the entire production chain is entirely another.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
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Ford has a successful gas-powered car division
i thought ford announced a few years back that it was going to stop making cars.
ah, yes. here it is. from wikipedia: On April 25, 2018, Ford announced that it would discontinue passenger cars in the North American market in the next four years, except for the Mustang, due to declining demand and profitability.
i thought ford announced a few years back that it was going to stop making cars.
ah, yes. here it is. from wikipedia: On April 25, 2018, Ford announced that it would discontinue passenger cars in the North American market in the next four years, except for the Mustang, due to declining demand and profitability.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (v3pYe)
98
85 Reagan never should have bailed out Chrysler.
That set the stage for so, so much corporate-goverment cronyism.
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Reagan didn’t do it. It was Carter.
That set the stage for so, so much corporate-goverment cronyism.
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Reagan didn’t do it. It was Carter.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (ju3/i)
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I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
He’d better get the United Against Work folks out of there first, even though they’ve been castrated quite a bit with many non union temps in the plants.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
He’d better get the United Against Work folks out of there first, even though they’ve been castrated quite a bit with many non union temps in the plants.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (w/J9x)
100
When my WRX 2.5 ej 4 cylinder dies, LS 5.3l twin turbo swap will be in order.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (OgrpQ)
101
Budweiser
@budweiserusa
Introducing the Limited-Edition Camo Bottles—made to celebrate 13 years of partnership with @FoldsofHonor. Raise one to our military veterans.
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Well, that'll fool everybody for sure!
@budweiserusa
Introducing the Limited-Edition Camo Bottles—made to celebrate 13 years of partnership with @FoldsofHonor. Raise one to our military veterans.
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Well, that'll fool everybody for sure!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
102
Ford is full of engineers that could explain the physics of the electric pickup problem to the dilettantes in its C-Suites, but the executives don’t want to hear it. Instead, they are laying off those engineers while pursuing the agenda of Klaus Schwab and Greta Thunberg.
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All American car makers will go the same way, their executives have all been trained in the Ivy League colleges where they have had the woke chips implanted. There is no hope.
Ah well, Toyota cars it is then.
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All American car makers will go the same way, their executives have all been trained in the Ivy League colleges where they have had the woke chips implanted. There is no hope.
Ah well, Toyota cars it is then.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (3JfbU)
103
Saw an article about how the heat this week will tax the power grid here in Texas. Imagine if it had 20 million electric vehicles added to it .
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (Qs1Di)
104
How could they mess up the beauty of a hybrid -- that you don't need to charge it -- with this?
You're misunderstanding. Plug-in hybrids work like a regular hybrid where the gas engine and brakes charges the battery, but you can also plug it in overnight and get 10-20 miles without the gas engine needing to run. If you have a way to plug it in at night it's a great way to avoid Biden's gas prices without needing to buy a full-on EV.
You're misunderstanding. Plug-in hybrids work like a regular hybrid where the gas engine and brakes charges the battery, but you can also plug it in overnight and get 10-20 miles without the gas engine needing to run. If you have a way to plug it in at night it's a great way to avoid Biden's gas prices without needing to buy a full-on EV.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (ZGrMX)
105
No kidding. There's a lot of factors that go into buying a car that you can't get just by browsing online. Does it handle well? Do you have adequate visibility in all directions? Are the controls relatively intuitive? Questions that can only be answered through a hands-on experience.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (YIVH2)
Does my ass fit in the seat nicely?
Does it sound gooderer when I stomp on the gas pedal?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (YIVH2)
Does my ass fit in the seat nicely?
Does it sound gooderer when I stomp on the gas pedal?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (zZu0s)
106
Watching the videos of the electric trucks on YouTube should dissuade anyone from buying one. The batteries charge dissipates so badly as you add cargo that the question has to be "what's the point?"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (/WhKw)
107
We're going to look like Cuba, driving 70 year old ICE vehicles.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (gmo/4)
Cuba, like other socialist island countries such as Jamaica, Puerto Rico and Canada, has a high rate of STDs in their population. Something like 90%.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (gmo/4)
Cuba, like other socialist island countries such as Jamaica, Puerto Rico and Canada, has a high rate of STDs in their population. Something like 90%.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (HiuPw)
108
Good post but it assumes that customers have a choice. What will sales of EVs look like when there are no other options but EVs?
They know they are building products customers don't want but they think people won't have a choice.
They know they are building products customers don't want but they think people won't have a choice.
Posted by: Wodun at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (4ybhB)
109
Reagan never should have bailed out Chrysler....
Total failure.
His second worst failure after amnesty.
Agree. All bailouts do is allow failed companies to defer the day of reckoning for awhile, so they can continue doing the stupid things that got them in trouble in the first place.
Total failure.
His second worst failure after amnesty.
Agree. All bailouts do is allow failed companies to defer the day of reckoning for awhile, so they can continue doing the stupid things that got them in trouble in the first place.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (eOEVl)
110
@81 Eromero-Feather Shaving Products is a Japanese non-woke company. Sharpest most precision made blades on the planet.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (IlL6s)
111
Ah well, Toyota cars it is then.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (3JfbU)
Toyota even is getting shaky. They are at least not rushing headlong into the abyss, yet.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (3JfbU)
Toyota even is getting shaky. They are at least not rushing headlong into the abyss, yet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (zZu0s)
112
Budweiser
@budweiserusa
Introducing the Limited-Edition Camo Bottles—made to celebrate 13 years of partnership with @FoldsofHonor. Raise one to our military veterans.
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Well, that'll fool everybody for sure!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
Enjoy the tranny cock, Bud. You've earned it.
@budweiserusa
Introducing the Limited-Edition Camo Bottles—made to celebrate 13 years of partnership with @FoldsofHonor. Raise one to our military veterans.
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Well, that'll fool everybody for sure!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
Enjoy the tranny cock, Bud. You've earned it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)
113
I'm old enough to remember when "Range Anxiety" referred to the likelihood of being outshot at the gun range by my wife.
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (8NJ3c)
114
EVs are just a bridge until they force us into their 15 min grid cities where driving will be illegal.
And it's a short bridge.
And it's a short bridge.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 26, 2023 11:23 AM (nBo0B)
115
Something is wrong at FoMoCo if that's the case.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
We always said that figures don’t lie, but liars (management) can figure.
That was when Ford got rid of nearly all passenger cars. Stupid…
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
We always said that figures don’t lie, but liars (management) can figure.
That was when Ford got rid of nearly all passenger cars. Stupid…
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:23 AM (w/J9x)
116
Well, that'll fool everybody for sure!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
There's not enough camouflage in the world to do that
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
There's not enough camouflage in the world to do that
Posted by: It's me donna at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (bs+z0)
117
Having EV-obsessed execs is one thing, but failure of cost control across the entire production chain is entirely another.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
Ford sees a ready and cheap source of capital that will prop them up for the foreseeable future. They do not have to be cost conscious. They do not have to be efficient. All they have to do is snuggle up to the appropriate federal officials.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
Ford sees a ready and cheap source of capital that will prop them up for the foreseeable future. They do not have to be cost conscious. They do not have to be efficient. All they have to do is snuggle up to the appropriate federal officials.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (PHmov)
118
Does my ass fit in the seat nicely?
Does it sound gooderer when I stomp on the gas pedal?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (zZu0s)
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Yep. Those are both good qualities as well. I love my car because it feels like a second skin when I get in it. It felt like that the moment I sat in it, which is one reason why I bought it.
Does it sound gooderer when I stomp on the gas pedal?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (zZu0s)
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Yep. Those are both good qualities as well. I love my car because it feels like a second skin when I get in it. It felt like that the moment I sat in it, which is one reason why I bought it.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (YIVH2)
119
I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
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It looks slow but it will soon be much quicker. Look on the bright side, when all American automakers are gone the field will be clear for a new venture that will not have to compete with a crowded field.
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It looks slow but it will soon be much quicker. Look on the bright side, when all American automakers are gone the field will be clear for a new venture that will not have to compete with a crowded field.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (3JfbU)
120
Well, that'll fool everybody for sure!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
I am still waiting for the Reagan riding a Bald Eagle in front of a waving flag, while shooting an M60 can.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)
I am still waiting for the Reagan riding a Bald Eagle in front of a waving flag, while shooting an M60 can.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (zZu0s)
121
@82 That song was not written by Jerry Reed. It was written by a transsexual. You can't make this up.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (4PZHB)
122
Ford went all in one fuel economy awhile ago and even it's ICE engines are less reliable. You can't get a v8 anymore, it's all turbo or supercharged 6's and 4s. They make good horse power, but lack torque- and the gains are due to higher compression and rev/redlines, which means lower engine life (every engine has a finite number of turns). Also, understand there's a very expensive top end repair due to oil blowback residue on the turbo 4, basically $3k+ every 80k miles (so after warranty).
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (kbeGA)
123
A lot of this is ESG related. Ford makes EVs for the same reason Bud made a tranny beer. Black rock dictates it.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (ju3/i)
124
The ford electric truck is an unmitigated disaster. There are multiple videos on youtube from people who bought the truck and are not happy with it's capabilities. They have issues from towing and battery charge to overnight charging issues and significantly less than advertised range.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (ncXxy)
125
I wouldn't drive a Ford if you gave me one for free
(we are a Toyota family).
(we are a Toyota family).
Posted by: Jay in PA at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (i7Q7S)
126
Weirdly, but at the very top of this comment section is something called "content,"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (PHmov)
*Blink*
*Blink*
*Scrolls up*
Oh! How quaint.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (PHmov)
*Blink*
*Blink*
*Scrolls up*
Oh! How quaint.
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (1Yy3c)
127
79 Ford's battery manufacturing will lead to heavy metal pollution that will leach into water that children will drink.
good point. they should do that sort of manufacturing in the congo.
good point. they should do that sort of manufacturing in the congo.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (v3pYe)
128
That was when Ford got rid of nearly all passenger cars. Stupid…
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:23 AM (w/J9x)
But hey, we will be introducing the 4 door Mustang next year. Not kidding.
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:23 AM (w/J9x)
But hey, we will be introducing the 4 door Mustang next year. Not kidding.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (OgrpQ)
129
My father nought his first Toyota truck, instead of the new Ranger, because he couldn't get it with a v6.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (kbeGA)
130
Ford Motor Company stood resolutely as an American auto company that could survive and prosper without government assistance, by leveraging all its assets at the time to raise $23 billion in cash and staying independent.
Not to be that guy, but they have received government grants before 2008 and after for eco-bullshit, and they did take TALF loans.
Not to be that guy, but they have received government grants before 2008 and after for eco-bullshit, and they did take TALF loans.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (jzzG8)
131
STD = Standard Transmission Drive!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (Vwz3I)
132
113 I'm old enough to remember when "Range Anxiety" referred to the likelihood of being outshot at the gun range by my wife.
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (8NJ3c)
Anyone who has gone to a driving range and had that one guy who knows what he is doing smacking balls into the trees while you are lucky to hit 250 knows what range anxiety really is.
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (8NJ3c)
Anyone who has gone to a driving range and had that one guy who knows what he is doing smacking balls into the trees while you are lucky to hit 250 knows what range anxiety really is.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (zZu0s)
133
Physics and chemistry problems are typically framed around energy balance. When you consider how much energy is stored in gas or diesel and you compare to how many watt hours the truck battery has, you can see that the EV is the wrong choice to get actual work done.
If one the other hand, you just want to look like your doing work, without actually performing any, get the electric truck. Don't ask me to tow you though.
If one the other hand, you just want to look like your doing work, without actually performing any, get the electric truck. Don't ask me to tow you though.
Posted by: Chemistry Professor at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (8i+57)
134
So car companies move to EVs, company collapses, government takes over. Government only makes EVs, which don't go far. Everyone has to move to where the government puts chargers. Government limits travel. Etc. Etc. Sounds like that's the plan.
Call me crazy.
Call me crazy.
Posted by: CB...yes that CB. at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (eheVn)
135
Ford is full of engineers that could explain the physics of the electric pickup problem to the dilettantes in its C-Suites, but the executives don’t want to hear it. Instead, they are laying off those engineers while pursuing the agenda of Klaus Schwab and Greta Thunberg.
Sounds like OceanGate.
Those engineers aren't "inspirational".
Sounds like OceanGate.
Those engineers aren't "inspirational".
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (GIBR7)
136
All bailouts do is allow failed companies to defer the day of reckoning for awhile, so they can continue doing the stupid things that got them in trouble in the first place.
Romney, for all his infuriating and manifest faults, called for letting the car makers go into bankruptcy, so they could get their houses in order.
Romney, for all his infuriating and manifest faults, called for letting the car makers go into bankruptcy, so they could get their houses in order.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (eOEVl)
137
ITS FUNNY CAUSE THE ONLY ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT WORKS WELL FOR HAULING HEAVY LOADS IN ALL CONDITIONS IS A TRAIN THAT HAULS A GIANT DIESEL GENERATOR WITH IT.
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
138
I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
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"Not to worry, comrade -- China will eventually take it off our hands for one Digital Yuan and a multi-billion dollar feral government bailout to be named later!"
/only half-joking
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"Not to worry, comrade -- China will eventually take it off our hands for one Digital Yuan and a multi-billion dollar feral government bailout to be named later!"
/only half-joking
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (8NJ3c)
139
Large condo/apartment developments right next to shopping centers eliminate any need for cars. It's all a stone's throw away from the front door. CVS, fast food, Walmart ... Life is easy and pretty dull.
Posted by: Ziba at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (4h9M3)
140
America is pining for the F150s. The gas powered ones.
Posted by: Sigh at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (DhOHl)
141
You know the range of my Suburban might drop 25% when heavily loaded, or hauling a trailer. But I can live with a drop from 600 miles to 450 miles. I can't even drive the shorter distance without a pee break and a coffee.
The dirty secret of of EV is that half (or more) of the energy stored in the battery is used to haul the battery around. In my 6000 pound Suburban, with a full tank, about 7% of the energy of the fuel is consumed hauling the fuel around, and that fraction diminishes as the tank is drawn down.
The dirty secret of of EV is that half (or more) of the energy stored in the battery is used to haul the battery around. In my 6000 pound Suburban, with a full tank, about 7% of the energy of the fuel is consumed hauling the fuel around, and that fraction diminishes as the tank is drawn down.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (mYdag)
142
If one the other hand, you just want to look like your doing work, without actually performing any, get the electric truck. Don't ask me to tow you though.
Posted by: Chemistry Professor at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (8i+57)
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So EVs are like me commenting at AoSHQ when I'm on the job?
Posted by: Chemistry Professor at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (8i+57)
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So EVs are like me commenting at AoSHQ when I'm on the job?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (YIVH2)
143
Romney, for all his infuriating and manifest faults, called for letting the car makers go into bankruptcy, so they could get their houses in order.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (eOEVl)
Hitler liked dogs.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (eOEVl)
Hitler liked dogs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (zZu0s)
144
Was at an event at Greenfield Village in Dearborn a couple weeks ago where Ford is building a massive ugly tech center to loom over the quaint recreation of a century ago.
Erasing beauty and history.
Erasing beauty and history.
Posted by: Auspex at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (j4U/Z)
145
@81 Eromero-Feather Shaving Products is a Japanese non-woke company. Sharpest most precision made blades on the planet.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM
Yup...scary sharp blades.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM
Yup...scary sharp blades.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (FVJNG)
146
Once again, if it's such a good idea, why do you have to go to the government to borrow money rather than the market?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (lf83v)
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Exactly. I don't remember reading anywhere that old Henry Ford went to the government for free money to build the Model T or A. He made what people wanted to buy and he made a profit.
If you need government money to make something to sell at a discount then your product is shit.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:04 AM (lf83v)
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Exactly. I don't remember reading anywhere that old Henry Ford went to the government for free money to build the Model T or A. He made what people wanted to buy and he made a profit.
If you need government money to make something to sell at a discount then your product is shit.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:28 AM (3JfbU)
147
So car companies move to EVs, company collapses, government takes over. Government only makes EVs, which don't go far. Everyone has to move to where the government puts chargers. Government limits travel. Etc. Etc. Sounds like that's the plan.
Call me crazy.
Posted by: CB...yes that CB. at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (eheVn)
A couple of years ago Tesla ungoverned owners' cars located in the path of a hurricane. It expanded their range so they could get to safety. Huh.
Call me crazy.
Posted by: CB...yes that CB. at June 26, 2023 11:26 AM (eheVn)
A couple of years ago Tesla ungoverned owners' cars located in the path of a hurricane. It expanded their range so they could get to safety. Huh.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 26, 2023 11:28 AM (OgrpQ)
148
It was Carter that bailed out Chrysler?
No shit. Big win for the Dems then.
And a total failure by the Republicans in Congress, as usual.
I just recall Lee Iacoca bragging how great a deal it was for America in the 80s, so I'd thought it was Reagan.
No shit. Big win for the Dems then.
And a total failure by the Republicans in Congress, as usual.
I just recall Lee Iacoca bragging how great a deal it was for America in the 80s, so I'd thought it was Reagan.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (HSPw/)
149
"Reagan never should have bailed out Chrysler."
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Thankfully, he didn't.
Note how government never solves problems, it just exacerbates them.
A fitting ending:
Nearly thirty years later, in 2008, Chrysler would receive billions in a new bailout from the U.S. government in the aftermath of the financial crisis that decimated automotive sales over the following few years. Chrysler filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in April 2009.
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Thankfully, he didn't.
Note how government never solves problems, it just exacerbates them.
A fitting ending:
Nearly thirty years later, in 2008, Chrysler would receive billions in a new bailout from the U.S. government in the aftermath of the financial crisis that decimated automotive sales over the following few years. Chrysler filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in April 2009.
Posted by: Jay in PA at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (i7Q7S)
150
"The U.S. Energy Department plans to lend up to $9.2 billion to a joint venture of Ford Motor and South Korea's SK-On to help it build three battery plants in Tennessee and Kentucky, the biggest-ever award from the government program."
Setting-up the sure-est sure thing bet of all time: If the Dems win the White House in 2024 (NO!), the cheated-to-win POTUS will forgive the entire loan in 2027 or earlier. He/she will do it even if Ford is miraculously earning a profit on EVs.
Setting-up the sure-est sure thing bet of all time: If the Dems win the White House in 2024 (NO!), the cheated-to-win POTUS will forgive the entire loan in 2027 or earlier. He/she will do it even if Ford is miraculously earning a profit on EVs.
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (AMIL/)
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145 @81 Eromero-Feather Shaving Products is a Japanese non-woke company. Sharpest most precision made blades on the planet.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM
Yup...scary sharp blades.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (FVJNG)
I'll have to look them up. 'Safety' razors are not something to be taken lightly.
*checks cuts*
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM
Yup...scary sharp blades.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (FVJNG)
I'll have to look them up. 'Safety' razors are not something to be taken lightly.
*checks cuts*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (zZu0s)
152
So car companies move to EVs, company collapses, government takes over. Government only makes EVs, which don't go far. Everyone has to move to where the government puts chargers. Government limits travel. Etc. Etc. Sounds like that's the plan.
Call me crazy.
Posted by: CB...yes that CB.
You need non electrics to mine for the battery materials.
You need vehicles capable of getting miners to mines.
You need non electric farm vehicles to grow food. (Even bugs)
You need vehicles to get food to distribution centers.
Call me crazy.
Posted by: CB...yes that CB.
You need non electrics to mine for the battery materials.
You need vehicles capable of getting miners to mines.
You need non electric farm vehicles to grow food. (Even bugs)
You need vehicles to get food to distribution centers.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (GIBR7)
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ITS FUNNY CAUSE THE ONLY ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT WORKS WELL FOR HAULING HEAVY LOADS IN ALL CONDITIONS IS A TRAIN THAT HAULS A GIANT DIESEL GENERATOR WITH IT.
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
EV truck with a generator on the roof.
Problem solved.
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
EV truck with a generator on the roof.
Problem solved.
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (1Yy3c)
154
This is the reality: Joe Biden used son to negotiate pay-to-play deals. Therefore, Merrick Garland was suppressing investigation into POTUS' corruption.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Precisely Jonathan Turley 's argument. Hunter is "The Designated Defendant. "
Posted by: Lizzy
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Precisely Jonathan Turley 's argument. Hunter is "The Designated Defendant. "
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (n7rxJ)
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New Fox News lineup
7pm Laura Ingraham
8pm Jesse Watters
9pm Hannity
10pm Gutfeld
11pm Trace Gallagher
New Fox News lineup
7pm Laura Ingraham
8pm Jesse Watters
9pm Hannity
10pm Gutfeld
11pm Trace Gallagher
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
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I must admit when I rent newer cars I like the new features like the back up camera and heated seats.
I don't like the things that beep at me and I can't figure out why.
I don't like the things that beep at me and I can't figure out why.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (MeG8a)
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104 You're misunderstanding. Plug-in hybrids work like a regular hybrid where the gas engine and brakes charges the battery, but you can also plug it in overnight and get 10-20 miles without the gas engine needing to run.
perhaps. as i understand, the prius plug-in hybrid works like this:
- there's the 12v battery that runs accessories. it gets charged from the hybrid battery.
- there's the hybrid battery that gets charged by the engine and regenerative braking. as is usual for the prius, you can get about a mile and a half from this battery.
- there's the plug-in battery that only gets charged by being plugged in. this battery can't be charged by the engine or regenerative braking.
i just don't get the plug-in hybrid thing.
perhaps. as i understand, the prius plug-in hybrid works like this:
- there's the 12v battery that runs accessories. it gets charged from the hybrid battery.
- there's the hybrid battery that gets charged by the engine and regenerative braking. as is usual for the prius, you can get about a mile and a half from this battery.
- there's the plug-in battery that only gets charged by being plugged in. this battery can't be charged by the engine or regenerative braking.
i just don't get the plug-in hybrid thing.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (v3pYe)
158
Ford sees a ready and cheap source of capital that will prop them up for the foreseeable future. They do not have to be cost conscious. They do not have to be efficient. All they have to do is snuggle up to the appropriate federal officials.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (PHmov)
Ford has the second highest corporate debt in the world, so they threw in with black rock. Guess who plays the tune now?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (PHmov)
Ford has the second highest corporate debt in the world, so they threw in with black rock. Guess who plays the tune now?
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (w/J9x)
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Note how much politics has changed:
Senator WILLIAM PROXMIRE (Democrat, Wisconsin): This is a very, very bad precedent. Having bailed out Chrysler, a big and failing corporation, it's going to be very hard not to bail out others. And then, of course, the effect on the taxpayer could be perfectly enormous.
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Imagine any Democrat saying that today.
Senator WILLIAM PROXMIRE (Democrat, Wisconsin): This is a very, very bad precedent. Having bailed out Chrysler, a big and failing corporation, it's going to be very hard not to bail out others. And then, of course, the effect on the taxpayer could be perfectly enormous.
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Imagine any Democrat saying that today.
Posted by: Jay in PA at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (i7Q7S)
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156 I must admit when I rent newer cars I like the new features like the back up camera and heated seats.
I don't like the things that beep at me and I can't figure out why.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (MeG8a)
Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
I don't like the things that beep at me and I can't figure out why.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (MeG8a)
Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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You know the range of my Suburban might drop 25% when heavily loaded, or hauling a trailer. But I can live with a drop from 600 miles to 450 miles. I can't even drive the shorter distance without a pee break and a coffee.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (mYdag)
My mileage drops from about 28mpg to about 25mpg when I exceed about 60-65mph. That means I can go barely 500 miles on a full tank of gas. But I sure do love driving 75-80mph.
Oh...with the AC blasting it doesn't make any measurable difference. Try that with an EV!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (mYdag)
My mileage drops from about 28mpg to about 25mpg when I exceed about 60-65mph. That means I can go barely 500 miles on a full tank of gas. But I sure do love driving 75-80mph.
Oh...with the AC blasting it doesn't make any measurable difference. Try that with an EV!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (PHmov)
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So EVs are like me commenting at AoSHQ when I'm on the job?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (YIVH2)
Exactly! Excepting the little scooter bike you ride to work!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (YIVH2)
Exactly! Excepting the little scooter bike you ride to work!
Posted by: Chemistry Professor at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (8i+57)
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Ford Motor Company stood resolutely as an American auto company that could survive and prosper without government assistance, by leveraging all its assets at the time to raise $23 billion in cash and staying independent.
Not to be that guy, but they have received government grants before 2008 and after for eco-bullshit, and they did take TALF loans.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM
ford also has a huge contract to supply the GSA with cars and light trucks for federal government use to the tune of $8.6 BILLION.
ford ain't hurting.
Not to be that guy, but they have received government grants before 2008 and after for eco-bullshit, and they did take TALF loans.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM
ford also has a huge contract to supply the GSA with cars and light trucks for federal government use to the tune of $8.6 BILLION.
ford ain't hurting.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (ncXxy)
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My company just bought an electric ford Transit.
110 miles is all you get on a charge.
They are using it local only, but I'd have never bought something that is so constrictive.
Isn't my money I suppose.
110 miles is all you get on a charge.
They are using it local only, but I'd have never bought something that is so constrictive.
Isn't my money I suppose.
Posted by: Inogame at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (53oGX)
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This pisses me off. I've been a Ford fan most of my life. I would piss on the C-Suites if they were NOT on fire.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)
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Same here though I would NOT piss down their throat even if their heart WAS on fire.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 26, 2023 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)
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Same here though I would NOT piss down their throat even if their heart WAS on fire.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (3JfbU)
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7pm Laura Ingraham
8pm Jesse Watters
9pm Hannity
10pm Gutfeld
11pm Trace Gallagher
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I’ll take shows I never watch nor plan to ever for $400 Alex.
7pm Laura Ingraham
8pm Jesse Watters
9pm Hannity
10pm Gutfeld
11pm Trace Gallagher
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I’ll take shows I never watch nor plan to ever for $400 Alex.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (ju3/i)
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I'm convinced tech like solar and electric cars would actually do better if there was zero government involvement.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:32 AM (GyG/g)
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I've heard Dylan Mulvany is available to do some spots for Ford. He has a nice little halter top picked out already
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 26, 2023 11:32 AM (flINI)
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148 It was Carter that bailed out Chrysler?
No shit. Big win for the Dems then.
And a total failure by the Republicans in Congress, as usual.
I just recall Lee Iacoca bragging how great a deal it was for America in the 80s, so I'd thought it was Reagan.
i also remember a song that was making the rounds on the dr. demento show:
i am changing my name to chrysler
i am headed down to washington d.c.
i will tell some power broker
what they did for iacocca
would be perfectly acceptable to me
i am changing my name to chrysler
i am headed for that great receiving line
when they hand a million grand out
i'll be standing with my hand out
yes, sir, i'll get mine!
No shit. Big win for the Dems then.
And a total failure by the Republicans in Congress, as usual.
I just recall Lee Iacoca bragging how great a deal it was for America in the 80s, so I'd thought it was Reagan.
i also remember a song that was making the rounds on the dr. demento show:
i am changing my name to chrysler
i am headed down to washington d.c.
i will tell some power broker
what they did for iacocca
would be perfectly acceptable to me
i am changing my name to chrysler
i am headed for that great receiving line
when they hand a million grand out
i'll be standing with my hand out
yes, sir, i'll get mine!
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:32 AM (v3pYe)
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Oh...with the AC blasting it doesn't make any measurable difference. Try that with an EV!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (PHmov)
Try the difference with ac on when going from a 1.8L four to a 5.0L V8. You could feel the AC compressor kick on in the four. I have no idea when the thing is running now.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (PHmov)
Try the difference with ac on when going from a 1.8L four to a 5.0L V8. You could feel the AC compressor kick on in the four. I have no idea when the thing is running now.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:33 AM (zZu0s)
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I’m old enough to remember when companies responded to the demands of their customers by giving them what they want.
Perhaps not; there has always been a degree of cynicism in this. But, they did used to be a lot more graceful and seamless in telling customers what they wanted. Now you get Dylan Mulvaney and a sermon.
We have a boncho-bustin gal from west of Laramie in the family. Not interested in any trade-ins.
Perhaps not; there has always been a degree of cynicism in this. But, they did used to be a lot more graceful and seamless in telling customers what they wanted. Now you get Dylan Mulvaney and a sermon.
We have a boncho-bustin gal from west of Laramie in the family. Not interested in any trade-ins.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 26, 2023 11:33 AM (4PZHB)
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There was a time, way back in the before times, when Chrysler was the most expensive luxury car in the world. And the best engineered car in the world. I know, this is fantasy stuff.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 26, 2023 11:34 AM (4eKPg)
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New Fox News lineup
7pm Laura Ingraham
8pm Jesse Watters
9pm Hannity
10pm Gutfeld
11pm Trace Gallagher
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
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I'd rather watch Judge Judy re-runs
7pm Laura Ingraham
8pm Jesse Watters
9pm Hannity
10pm Gutfeld
11pm Trace Gallagher
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
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I'd rather watch Judge Judy re-runs
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 26, 2023 11:34 AM (flINI)
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Yup...scary sharp blades.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (FVJNG)
Samurai Shaver! Also, handy for Seppuku.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (FVJNG)
Samurai Shaver! Also, handy for Seppuku.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:34 AM (gmo/4)
175
Just back from grocery store. Prominently displayed cases of Bud Light, Budweiser, Coors Light, and Miller Light in a row. The Coors Light and Miller Lite stacks were a couple feet lower then the Budweiser and Bud Light, which looked completely untouched.
I really don't believe in a drop of *only* ~25%. My guess is 75% at least.
Just back from grocery store. Prominently displayed cases of Bud Light, Budweiser, Coors Light, and Miller Light in a row. The Coors Light and Miller Lite stacks were a couple feet lower then the Budweiser and Bud Light, which looked completely untouched.
I really don't believe in a drop of *only* ~25%. My guess is 75% at least.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 26, 2023 11:34 AM (enJYY)
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" I’m old enough to remember when companies responded to the demands of their customers "
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Ford's customers are the federal government and BlackRock
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Ford's customers are the federal government and BlackRock
Posted by: Jay in PA at June 26, 2023 11:34 AM (i7Q7S)
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Reagan never should have bailed out Chrysler.
That set the stage for so, so much corporate-goverment cronyism.
Let them die.
The unions he saved then pumped hundreds of millions into Democrats coffers; the corporation same; it helped keep the Rust Belt deep blue; the nominal number of members who voted for him didn't pull the "R" lever until Trump.
Total failure.
His second worst failure after amnesty.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Carter actually did it, Reagan just said he wasn't going to reverse it.
Bush then bailed out the auto companies and kicked off the Tea Party.
Trump then bailed out every corporation in America during Covid.
That set the stage for so, so much corporate-goverment cronyism.
Let them die.
The unions he saved then pumped hundreds of millions into Democrats coffers; the corporation same; it helped keep the Rust Belt deep blue; the nominal number of members who voted for him didn't pull the "R" lever until Trump.
Total failure.
His second worst failure after amnesty.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Carter actually did it, Reagan just said he wasn't going to reverse it.
Bush then bailed out the auto companies and kicked off the Tea Party.
Trump then bailed out every corporation in America during Covid.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:34 AM (GyG/g)
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Barely above the level of government employees or non gub'mint employees working for NFP companies funded by the gub'mint like mine.
The "software guru" has been porting some code to python. That is a good thing; at least gives the possibility of new software hires being able to modify the code as needed in the future. But he developed on a single mode system and ignored all that pesky extra coding that is needed for our operational clusters where slave nodes update a database that lives on the head node. His response to my ticket on this was "you are probably right, I'll look at it" Aside from the "dumbkompf you KNEW we are all cluster based" it is good I am WFH, cuz that condescending response when I point out a gaping flaw, not just a bug in his code pushes all my buttons.
The "software guru" has been porting some code to python. That is a good thing; at least gives the possibility of new software hires being able to modify the code as needed in the future. But he developed on a single mode system and ignored all that pesky extra coding that is needed for our operational clusters where slave nodes update a database that lives on the head node. His response to my ticket on this was "you are probably right, I'll look at it" Aside from the "dumbkompf you KNEW we are all cluster based" it is good I am WFH, cuz that condescending response when I point out a gaping flaw, not just a bug in his code pushes all my buttons.
Posted by: PaleRider at June 26, 2023 11:35 AM (3cGpq)
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69 Even the F150 twin turbos really don't hold up against V8s. Raw numbers look good, but there still is no replacement for displacement.
I disagree, the 3.5 twin turbo will out-tow my V8, but I changed the alternator and water pump in my driveway on my 5.0L, when it had 150,000 on it. Gotta remove the front cover on the 3.5 to get to the water pump. Ugh
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM
I've had a lot of Ford trucks, 390s, 7.3s, 360s, 302s, of all them, the twin turbo ecoboost was the weakest. But everybody wants to buy my 92 F150 300 Six/5spd. It ain't for sale.
I disagree, the 3.5 twin turbo will out-tow my V8, but I changed the alternator and water pump in my driveway on my 5.0L, when it had 150,000 on it. Gotta remove the front cover on the 3.5 to get to the water pump. Ugh
Posted by: clutch at June 26, 2023 11:16 AM
I've had a lot of Ford trucks, 390s, 7.3s, 360s, 302s, of all them, the twin turbo ecoboost was the weakest. But everybody wants to buy my 92 F150 300 Six/5spd. It ain't for sale.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2023 11:35 AM (Uv0D2)
180
So car companies move to EVs, company collapses, government takes over.
Government-run, -designed, and -manufactured EVs in a monopoly situation would be a thing of comedic beauty.
Government-run, -designed, and -manufactured EVs in a monopoly situation would be a thing of comedic beauty.
Posted by: t-bird at June 26, 2023 11:35 AM (CaJIi)
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Yes. When you go to turn it in as a trade-in or dispose of it and are hit with a disposal fee for the battery, things will get interesting.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (JkCto)
EV buyers should all be required to post a recycling bond of $5000 to ensure that the battery is properly recycled in an approved facility when it reaches end of life. You buy a lead-acid battery in WalMart, you have to pay a recycle deposit. And there is a very recycling industry for lead already in place and operating.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (JkCto)
EV buyers should all be required to post a recycling bond of $5000 to ensure that the battery is properly recycled in an approved facility when it reaches end of life. You buy a lead-acid battery in WalMart, you have to pay a recycle deposit. And there is a very recycling industry for lead already in place and operating.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:36 AM (mYdag)
182
We're going to look like Cuba, driving 70 year old ICE vehicles.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (gmo/4)
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If we are lucky. Those cars were well made, the modern cars were made to self-destruct so you buy a new one.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (gmo/4)
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If we are lucky. Those cars were well made, the modern cars were made to self-destruct so you buy a new one.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:36 AM (3JfbU)
183
Utilities used to be reliable too.
Posted by: Chemistry Professor at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (8i+57)
184
103 Saw an article about how the heat this week will tax the power grid here in Texas. Imagine if it had 20 million electric vehicles added to it .
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (Qs1Di)
The weather soothsayers tell me it will get up to a hunnert degrees today in Houston. And on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's unusually hot here for June. One thing I am NOT doing is blaming it on human combustion of hydrocarbons. Can I still legally say that?
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (Qs1Di)
The weather soothsayers tell me it will get up to a hunnert degrees today in Houston. And on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's unusually hot here for June. One thing I am NOT doing is blaming it on human combustion of hydrocarbons. Can I still legally say that?
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (AMIL/)
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Consumers are just so stupid about these mandates.
You tell them the government is going to make the automakers make more fuel efficient vehicles, and they squeal with delight.
They never get the explanation you're paying $8000 more dollars for a Rube Goldberg engine that will save them a $1 a week in gas and will be totaled the first major engine repair.
I blame Nixon for CAFE.
You tell them the government is going to make the automakers make more fuel efficient vehicles, and they squeal with delight.
They never get the explanation you're paying $8000 more dollars for a Rube Goldberg engine that will save them a $1 a week in gas and will be totaled the first major engine repair.
I blame Nixon for CAFE.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (GyG/g)
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I don't like the things that beep at me and I can't figure out why.
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beep beep
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Posted by: capt christopher pike at June 26, 2023 11:38 AM (Vwz3I)
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164 My company just bought an electric ford Transit.
110 miles is all you get on a charge.
They are using it local only, but I'd have never bought something that is so constrictive.
Isn't my money I suppose.
Posted by: Inogame at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (53oGX)
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The reality of these tricked-out golf carts doesn't match the fantasy. This is scary. I can't imagine spending so much money, time, and thought over charging up the battery, and then wondering how far you can go.
110 miles is all you get on a charge.
They are using it local only, but I'd have never bought something that is so constrictive.
Isn't my money I suppose.
Posted by: Inogame at June 26, 2023 11:31 AM (53oGX)
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The reality of these tricked-out golf carts doesn't match the fantasy. This is scary. I can't imagine spending so much money, time, and thought over charging up the battery, and then wondering how far you can go.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 26, 2023 11:39 AM (lxNsC)
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They can combine impeachment of Garland an the repeal of Obamacare in the same vote!
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Impeachment is a tax.
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Impeachment is a tax.
Posted by: John Roberts at June 26, 2023 11:39 AM (lf83v)
189
You need non electrics to mine for the battery materials.
You need vehicles capable of getting miners to mines.
You need non electric farm vehicles to grow food. (Even bugs)
You need vehicles to get food to distribution centers.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (GIBR7)
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You need non-electrics for any and all large-scale construction projects.
You need non-electrics to move those construction vehicles to/from the site.
We have a major construction project going on where I work. There's NO WAY it could be done with electrically-powered vehicles. It's diesel or nothing.
You need vehicles capable of getting miners to mines.
You need non electric farm vehicles to grow food. (Even bugs)
You need vehicles to get food to distribution centers.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (GIBR7)
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You need non-electrics for any and all large-scale construction projects.
You need non-electrics to move those construction vehicles to/from the site.
We have a major construction project going on where I work. There's NO WAY it could be done with electrically-powered vehicles. It's diesel or nothing.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (YIVH2)
190
I'll have to look them up. 'Safety' razors are not something to be taken lightly.
*checks cuts*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM
I bought some of their safety razor blades once. They are definitely not to be taken lightly.
*checks cuts*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM
I bought some of their safety razor blades once. They are definitely not to be taken lightly.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (FVJNG)
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I don't like the things that beep at me and I can't figure out why.
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beep beep
beep beep
Posted by: capt christopher pike
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beep
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beep beep
beep beep
Posted by: capt christopher pike
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beep
Posted by: Diane Feinstein at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (lf83v)
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Big hurricane blows into FL in 2038 and the roads will be FILLED with dead EVs. People are going to die. I guess we have to break a few eggs or somesuch
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (flINI)
193
I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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That would be silly. His entire Tesla scheme right now is partially based on selling credits to other automakers for their carbon indulgences. I would think he wouldn't want to lose that.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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That would be silly. His entire Tesla scheme right now is partially based on selling credits to other automakers for their carbon indulgences. I would think he wouldn't want to lose that.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (UVyKP)
194
6 Ford CEO is a woman, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
No...a socialist...they are fungible.
this is about those toe fungus ads, isn't it?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2023 11:01 AM (avru5)
No...a socialist...they are fungible.
this is about those toe fungus ads, isn't it?
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (v3pYe)
195
They never get the explanation you're paying $8000 more dollars for a Rube Goldberg engine that will save them a $1 a week in gas and will be totaled the first major engine repair.
I blame Nixon for CAFE.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (GyG/g)
Dodge's 2.4l "Tigershark" four cylinder has entered the chat. Built by FIAT.
I blame Nixon for CAFE.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (GyG/g)
Dodge's 2.4l "Tigershark" four cylinder has entered the chat. Built by FIAT.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (OgrpQ)
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168 I've heard Dylan Mulvany is available to do some spots for Ford. He has a nice little halter top picked out already
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 26, 2023 11:32 AM
Dear Mr. of Spades,
Surveillance indicates severe transphobic comments (misgendering) on your right-wing extremist site Ace of Spades HQ. Failure to remove these comments, and prevent similar comments in the future, constitutes a hate crime, and may result in fine, imprisonment, loss of internet service, and reduced social credit score.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 26, 2023 11:32 AM
Dear Mr. of Spades,
Surveillance indicates severe transphobic comments (misgendering) on your right-wing extremist site Ace of Spades HQ. Failure to remove these comments, and prevent similar comments in the future, constitutes a hate crime, and may result in fine, imprisonment, loss of internet service, and reduced social credit score.
Posted by: FCC Content and Diversity crime monitor at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (JCZqz)
197
Yes. When you go to turn it in as a trade-in or dispose of it and are hit with a disposal fee for the battery, things will get interesting.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (JkCto)
EV buyers should all be required to post a recycling bond of $5000 to ensure that the battery is properly recycled in an approved facility when it reaches end of life. You buy a lead-acid battery in WalMart, you have to pay a recycle deposit. And there is a very recycling industry for lead already in place and operating.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:36 AM
We had a ford fusion hybrid some years back. When it got to 75,000 miles I started checking on that kind of stuff because ford recommended changing the battery at 100,000 miles. Ford dealer gave us a price of $10,000-$15,000 to replace the battery and that included a recycle/disposal fee for the old batteries. Can't recall exactly how much it was but it was in the multiple thousands of dollars range. We traded in the car and took a loss soon after that. To replace the battery was worth more than the car itself by that point.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 26, 2023 11:14 AM (JkCto)
EV buyers should all be required to post a recycling bond of $5000 to ensure that the battery is properly recycled in an approved facility when it reaches end of life. You buy a lead-acid battery in WalMart, you have to pay a recycle deposit. And there is a very recycling industry for lead already in place and operating.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:36 AM
We had a ford fusion hybrid some years back. When it got to 75,000 miles I started checking on that kind of stuff because ford recommended changing the battery at 100,000 miles. Ford dealer gave us a price of $10,000-$15,000 to replace the battery and that included a recycle/disposal fee for the old batteries. Can't recall exactly how much it was but it was in the multiple thousands of dollars range. We traded in the car and took a loss soon after that. To replace the battery was worth more than the car itself by that point.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (ncXxy)
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The filthy Chrysler deal was foisted by a STEM graduate of Lehigh. You can build a hundred bridges...
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (4PZHB)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (63Dwl)
200
I'll stick with Nissan
Posted by: TC at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (FjlUt)
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My company just bought an electric ford Transit.
110 miles is all you get on a charge.
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Perfect for a 15-minute city!
110 miles is all you get on a charge.
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Perfect for a 15-minute city!
Posted by: Your Federal Overlords at June 26, 2023 11:42 AM (lf83v)
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beep beep
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Posted by: capt christopher pike
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Posted by: Diane Feinstein at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (lf83v)
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Meep
beep beep
Posted by: capt christopher pike
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beep
Posted by: Diane Feinstein at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (lf83v)
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Meep
Posted by: The Roadrunner at June 26, 2023 11:42 AM (flINI)
Posted by: Globalism, Inc. at June 26, 2023 11:42 AM (CaJIi)
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I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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Wouldn't that be sublime? Musk gets monumentally rich making very expensive electric cars and selling them to green snobs. The ICE automakers follow suit and go bankrupt. Musk buys the bankrupt automakers and starts producing ICE cars again.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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Wouldn't that be sublime? Musk gets monumentally rich making very expensive electric cars and selling them to green snobs. The ICE automakers follow suit and go bankrupt. Musk buys the bankrupt automakers and starts producing ICE cars again.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:42 AM (3JfbU)
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Notice how many stories we are hearing of Elon buying this or that company? Elon should buy Disney! Elon should buy Star Wars! Elon should buy Ford!
Messianic syndrome. John Galtish stuff.
Messianic syndrome. John Galtish stuff.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)
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154 This is the reality: Joe Biden used son to negotiate pay-to-play deals. Therefore, Merrick Garland was suppressing investigation into POTUS' corruption.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Precisely Jonathan Turley 's argument. Hunter is "The Designated Defendant. "
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (n7rxJ)
No problem. I will pardon him. Is this a great anti-trans, racist, immigration-hating country, or what?
Posted by: Lizzy
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Precisely Jonathan Turley 's argument. Hunter is "The Designated Defendant. "
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM (n7rxJ)
No problem. I will pardon him. Is this a great anti-trans, racist, immigration-hating country, or what?
Posted by: Joe, clinging to life at June 26, 2023 11:43 AM (AMIL/)
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A while back, I went to my town's stock show and rodeo. Ford had a lightning F-150 on display. The people there are ranchers who think that only a diesel dually is a pickup. The sales person was getting savaged.
Funny stuff.
Funny stuff.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:43 AM (gmo/4)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Yep. Just one more technological crutch that can fail when you need it most. Useful? Maybe. Necessary? Not in a properly designed vehicle.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Yep. Just one more technological crutch that can fail when you need it most. Useful? Maybe. Necessary? Not in a properly designed vehicle.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 26, 2023 11:43 AM (YIVH2)
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The cats are out playing. Use the kittenwatch link at the end.
Ciampino's Rescue kitties
https://is.gd/WQ5JcT
There's another photo update #96 at the link.
Take a look if interested. Make sure to click on
"See Older Updates" as well if it's your first time.
https://is.gd/WQ5JcT
ALSO LIVE STREAMING!! - Biscuits' BABIES ON WEBCAM
Now most nights as well
https://www.twitch.tv/kittenwatch
Ciampino's Rescue kitties
https://is.gd/WQ5JcT
There's another photo update #96 at the link.
Take a look if interested. Make sure to click on
"See Older Updates" as well if it's your first time.
https://is.gd/WQ5JcT
ALSO LIVE STREAMING!! - Biscuits' BABIES ON WEBCAM
Now most nights as well
https://www.twitch.tv/kittenwatch
Posted by: Ciampino - "Criminal Lawyer" is a redundancy at June 26, 2023 11:43 AM (qfLjt)
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202 beep beep
beep beep
Posted by: capt christopher pike
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beep
Posted by: Diane Feinstein at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (lf83v)
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Meep
Posted by: The Roadrunner
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meep meep meep.
beep beep
Posted by: capt christopher pike
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beep
Posted by: Diane Feinstein at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM (lf83v)
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Meep
Posted by: The Roadrunner
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meep meep meep.
Posted by: Beaker, the Muppets Laboratory at June 26, 2023 11:43 AM (lf83v)
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193 I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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That would be silly. His entire Tesla scheme right now is partially based on selling credits to other automakers for their carbon indulgences. I would think he wouldn't want to lose that.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (UVyKP)
GM already makes mass market cars and can be had for less than a 10th of Tesla's market cap. It'd basically double Tesla's earnings and more than double revenue and reduce future competition. Ford already exited the sedan market.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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That would be silly. His entire Tesla scheme right now is partially based on selling credits to other automakers for their carbon indulgences. I would think he wouldn't want to lose that.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (UVyKP)
GM already makes mass market cars and can be had for less than a 10th of Tesla's market cap. It'd basically double Tesla's earnings and more than double revenue and reduce future competition. Ford already exited the sedan market.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (eYoxG)
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I bought some of their safety razor blades once. They are definitely not to be taken lightly.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
You ought to try the danger blades!
I bought some of their safety razor blades once. They are definitely not to be taken lightly.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
You ought to try the danger blades!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (63Dwl)
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Blah Blah and I just love our EV. I don't know how it works, who makes it or how to maintain it but I love it when everybody looks to see us as we drive around town doing nothing worthwhile, bored out of our minds and waiting on the early bird special. Being on a fixed income we also don't tip but social security only goes so far.
Posted by: Harriet And Blah Blah Nyborg, Democrat Boomers at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (HiuPw)
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You're misunderstanding. Plug-in hybrids work like a regular hybrid where the gas engine and brakes charges the battery, but you can also plug it in overnight and get 10-20 miles without the gas engine needing to run. If you have a way to plug it in at night it's a great way to avoid Biden's gas prices without needing to buy a full-on EV.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (ZGrMX)
So you are basically evading your fair share of the gasoline tax, by using electricity which doesn't as yet have a road tax on it. You are being subsidized by other people. A parasite, in other words.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 26, 2023 11:21 AM (ZGrMX)
So you are basically evading your fair share of the gasoline tax, by using electricity which doesn't as yet have a road tax on it. You are being subsidized by other people. A parasite, in other words.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (mYdag)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Love 'em!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Love 'em!
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM (G0vdT)
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Can't wait for my utility provider telling other EVers they can't charge their vehicles because it's too hot and the winds not blowing.
Posted by: Regional Distribution at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (8i+57)
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Happened in California already last year as I remember.
Posted by: Regional Distribution at June 26, 2023 11:20 AM (8i+57)
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Happened in California already last year as I remember.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM (UVyKP)
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Ford's new Theme Song...."Dumb da Dumb Dumb"
Posted by: JT at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM (T4tVD)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM
I have one on my Rav, only because it came with one. It think it's incredibly dangerous to use the thing. It doesn't show you left or right where another car is coming from in a parking lot. I'll check it in my driveway in case neighbors chickens got loose, but that's it.
Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM
I have one on my Rav, only because it came with one. It think it's incredibly dangerous to use the thing. It doesn't show you left or right where another car is coming from in a parking lot. I'll check it in my driveway in case neighbors chickens got loose, but that's it.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (enJYY)
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I was out in the unsettled weather and now my clothes are unsettled.
Posted by: JT at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (T4tVD)
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I wish we still had the old “a-oogah” car horns.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (34mTo)
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Bring back the Edsel!
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (lf83v)
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Anyone who has gone to a driving range and had that one guy who knows what he is doing smacking balls into the trees while you are lucky to hit 250 knows what range anxiety really is.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (zZu0s)
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Heh.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:25 AM (zZu0s)
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Heh.
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:48 AM (+Tr7w)
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221 Bring back the Edsel!
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (lf83v)
Push button transmission!
Styling! (which to be fair is better than most modern styling.)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (lf83v)
Push button transmission!
Styling! (which to be fair is better than most modern styling.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:48 AM (zZu0s)
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86 The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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EV's are a little like communism: Supporters don't blame their failures because they insist it wasn't done right.
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (G0vdT)
And on an individual basis the party apparatchiks always fail upward so they're a little foggy on cause and effect.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM (moK1X)
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EV's are a little like communism: Supporters don't blame their failures because they insist it wasn't done right.
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:19 AM (G0vdT)
And on an individual basis the party apparatchiks always fail upward so they're a little foggy on cause and effect.
Posted by: Meanwhile...in the real world... at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (AJ2DX)
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I saw an article yesterday that said Elon is considering a purchase of GM. I wonder if he's also looking at Ford. Either one of these herds of corrupt idiots would seem to offer a viable manufacturer for him.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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That would be silly. His entire Tesla scheme right now is partially based on selling credits to other automakers for their carbon indulgences. I would think he wouldn't want to lose that.
I've learned not to dismiss out of hand anything Elon does, even if I don't understand his strategy. He's usually several steps ahead of everyone else. See, for example, the post at #204. Also, Twitter.
Posted by: Russians at June 26, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)
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That would be silly. His entire Tesla scheme right now is partially based on selling credits to other automakers for their carbon indulgences. I would think he wouldn't want to lose that.
I've learned not to dismiss out of hand anything Elon does, even if I don't understand his strategy. He's usually several steps ahead of everyone else. See, for example, the post at #204. Also, Twitter.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (eOEVl)
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We had a ford fusion hybrid some years back. When it got to 75,000 miles I started checking on that kind of stuff because ford recommended changing the battery at 100,000 miles. Ford dealer gave us a price of $10,000-$15,000 to replace the battery and that included a recycle/disposal fee for the old batteries. Can't recall exactly how much it was but it was in the multiple thousands of dollars range. We traded in the car and took a loss soon after that. To replace the battery was worth more than the car itself by that point.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (ncXxy)
Meaning 95% of EV users will always be renting/leasing their EVs, never buying and owning them in the traditional sense of the term. Another facet of the plan to make this a Rental Nation.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 26, 2023 11:41 AM (ncXxy)
Meaning 95% of EV users will always be renting/leasing their EVs, never buying and owning them in the traditional sense of the term. Another facet of the plan to make this a Rental Nation.
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (AMIL/)
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I wish we still had the old “a-oogah” car horns.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (34mTo)
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And the hand crank start
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 26, 2023 11:47 AM (34mTo)
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And the hand crank start
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (flINI)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Love 'em!
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM
My back up camera stopped me from running over the short little old lady who decided that stopping right behind my truck was the perfect spot for messing with her phone. The back seat was full of paper towels and stuff and I could not see her in my mirrors.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Love 'em!
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM
My back up camera stopped me from running over the short little old lady who decided that stopping right behind my truck was the perfect spot for messing with her phone. The back seat was full of paper towels and stuff and I could not see her in my mirrors.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (ncXxy)
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215 Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Love 'em!
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM (G0vdT)
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I do, too. My son and DIL have a Passport. The back-up camera allows you to see all the way to the ground and very wide side vision.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)
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Love 'em!
Posted by: WisRich at June 26, 2023 11:46 AM (G0vdT)
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I do, too. My son and DIL have a Passport. The back-up camera allows you to see all the way to the ground and very wide side vision.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (lxNsC)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (aD39U)
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A cow-orker bought a 2018 twin-turbo 3.7L V6 F-150 because the towing numbers were better than the manly, naturally aspirated 5.0L V8. He has had nothing but problems with it: cam phasors.
No way I would have believed a turbo charged V6 could outpull a V8. Those under-sized turbos are running balls out all the time, so they will not last as long as a V8.
No way I would have believed a turbo charged V6 could outpull a V8. Those under-sized turbos are running balls out all the time, so they will not last as long as a V8.
Posted by: Butch at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (0APJ3)
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Stephen Green offers some interesting, and unsettling, speculation on what the hell just happened in Russia.
What the Hell Just Happened in Russia?
https://tinyurl.com/389a9b9y
What the Hell Just Happened in Russia?
https://tinyurl.com/389a9b9y
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (1Yy3c)
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Push button transmission!
Styling! (which to be fair is better than most modern styling.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:48 AM
The RMBS Mom had one back in the day. My Honda Accord has one. So goes the circle of automotive life.
Styling! (which to be fair is better than most modern styling.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:48 AM
The RMBS Mom had one back in the day. My Honda Accord has one. So goes the circle of automotive life.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (FVJNG)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM
Not to me because I still perform a full visual check. The backup camera lets me make sure I'm not going to hit a toddler or something else that doesn't reach the viewing area of the rear window.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM
Not to me because I still perform a full visual check. The backup camera lets me make sure I'm not going to hit a toddler or something else that doesn't reach the viewing area of the rear window.
Posted by: It's only a crutch if you use it as a crutch at June 26, 2023 11:51 AM (AJ2DX)
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Daily Mail: University of Wyoming sorority reveals it CHANGED its definition of 'woman' to allow 6ft2, 260lb trans member to join - and slams sisters who sued because she 'stared at them with an erection visible through leggings'
https://tinyurl.com/572themt
Via Stephen Green at Insty.
https://tinyurl.com/572themt
Via Stephen Green at Insty.
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (1Yy3c)
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230 I am just planning on Toyotas or Hyundais from here on out.
I want American built cars.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (aD39U)
Well those are built here so they are American built. Automakers tend to build cars locally, like GM cars sold in China are made in China.
I want American built cars.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 26, 2023 11:49 AM (aD39U)
Well those are built here so they are American built. Automakers tend to build cars locally, like GM cars sold in China are made in China.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (eYoxG)
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Toyota even is getting shaky. They are at least not rushing headlong into the abyss, yet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (zZu0s)
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The green zealots are coming for Toyota. But so far the CEO/COB is not buying EVs far into the future. Lots of hydrogen fuel cell work going on. For big trucks I think it is Cummins that has a fuel cell package ready to go. EVs are a niche vehicle without wide application.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:22 AM (zZu0s)
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The green zealots are coming for Toyota. But so far the CEO/COB is not buying EVs far into the future. Lots of hydrogen fuel cell work going on. For big trucks I think it is Cummins that has a fuel cell package ready to go. EVs are a niche vehicle without wide application.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (UVyKP)
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Do the EV trucks come with Space Age tail fins?
Posted by: Zek at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (5FPX4)
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They're building the "Blue Oval City" boondoggle outside the town where I grew up. The town, of course, thinks it's going to cash in. Knowing/having grown up with some of the folks involved locally, I have zero doubts that the grift is in high gear.
Also, I wonder how lithium batteries react to earthquakes and liquefaction, since that area is right along the New Madrid fault.
Also, I wonder how lithium batteries react to earthquakes and liquefaction, since that area is right along the New Madrid fault.
Posted by: Bert G at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (VARTN)
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What the Hell Just Happened in Russia?
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Simple. Putin just mobilized his mercenary division to Belarusse.
Brilliant move.
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Simple. Putin just mobilized his mercenary division to Belarusse.
Brilliant move.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:53 AM (lf83v)
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Push button transmission!
Styling! (which to be fair is better than most modern styling.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:48 AM
early 1960 Dodges had them.
Styling! (which to be fair is better than most modern styling.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:48 AM
early 1960 Dodges had them.
Posted by: Archer at June 26, 2023 11:53 AM (gmo/4)
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Toyota no longer puts a V8 in the Tundra. Twin turbo V6.
Posted by: Sigh at June 26, 2023 11:53 AM (DhOHl)
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There's always some subsidy, loan program going on, i.e.,
What is a GSA* vehicle?
GSA Fleet provides safe, reliable, low cost vehicle solutions for federal agencies, eligible entities and tribal nations. GSA Fleet's suite of offerings include vehicle purchasing, vehicle leasing and short-term rentals.
*General Services Administration
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Ford Motor Company (NYSE:F) has won a government contract worth $8.56B, according to a filing with the General Services Administration. The contract is for 2022 light vehicles to include sedans, light trucks and SUVs.
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Normally, we just aren't aware how the money goes back & forth. They keep the government, the government keeps them. The EVs, among other programs, will never survive without it.
What is a GSA* vehicle?
GSA Fleet provides safe, reliable, low cost vehicle solutions for federal agencies, eligible entities and tribal nations. GSA Fleet's suite of offerings include vehicle purchasing, vehicle leasing and short-term rentals.
*General Services Administration
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Ford Motor Company (NYSE:F) has won a government contract worth $8.56B, according to a filing with the General Services Administration. The contract is for 2022 light vehicles to include sedans, light trucks and SUVs.
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Normally, we just aren't aware how the money goes back & forth. They keep the government, the government keeps them. The EVs, among other programs, will never survive without it.
Posted by: L - Practice made perfect & speeds up security clearances at June 26, 2023 11:53 AM (GshMh)
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EVs are just a bridge until they force us into their 15 min grid cities where driving will be illegal.
And it's a short bridge.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 26, 2023 11:23 AM (nBo0B)
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One more reason to move out of the cities. What will happen to the left when they lose their big blue urban hellhole voting hubs?
And it's a short bridge.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 26, 2023 11:23 AM (nBo0B)
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One more reason to move out of the cities. What will happen to the left when they lose their big blue urban hellhole voting hubs?
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:53 AM (UVyKP)
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ITS FUNNY CAUSE THE ONLY ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT WORKS WELL FOR HAULING HEAVY LOADS IN ALL CONDITIONS IS A TRAIN THAT HAULS A GIANT DIESEL GENERATOR WITH IT.
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
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I just got a great idea for a new EV car design!
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
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I just got a great idea for a new EV car design!
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 26, 2023 11:54 AM (0zFDK)
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The huge Ford "Blue Oval" battery manufacturing campus they're building in Glendale, KY can't find engineers willing to work at the facility when it's operational... if it ever does. The established engineers aren't leaving their current positions. They say, it's a risk. They're right.
New (read woke) engineers who are interested don't want to relocate to Kentucky and/or have to show up for work. They want to be able to mail it in from home.
Nobody's told the woksters that EV battery engineering is really just a fancy way to say "battery manufacturing." As in assembly line shit. The "engineering" part is done elsewhere by, presumably, non-woke engineers who have some idea about Lithium Ion battery design.
Ford will be bankrupt in 5 years or less.
New (read woke) engineers who are interested don't want to relocate to Kentucky and/or have to show up for work. They want to be able to mail it in from home.
Nobody's told the woksters that EV battery engineering is really just a fancy way to say "battery manufacturing." As in assembly line shit. The "engineering" part is done elsewhere by, presumably, non-woke engineers who have some idea about Lithium Ion battery design.
Ford will be bankrupt in 5 years or less.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)
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Sloppy Ukrani~!
@BNONews 5m
U.S. to announce another $500 million in military aid for Ukraine - Reuters
@BNONews 5m
U.S. to announce another $500 million in military aid for Ukraine - Reuters
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 26, 2023 11:55 AM (jzzG8)
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What will happen to the left when they lose their big blue urban hellhole voting hubs?
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Do you think they'll allow voting?
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Do you think they'll allow voting?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 26, 2023 11:55 AM (lf83v)
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Do the EV trucks come with Space Age tail fins?
Posted by: Zek at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (5FPX4)
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Pfffffft
Posted by: Zek at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (5FPX4)
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Pfffffft
Posted by: '59 Cadillac El Dorado at June 26, 2023 11:55 AM (flINI)
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Gotta say I love the radar assist cruise control that's become standard these days.
Posted by: It's nice at June 26, 2023 11:55 AM (DhOHl)
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Physics and chemistry problems are typically framed around energy balance. When you consider how much energy is stored in gas or diesel and you compare to how many watt hours the truck battery has, you can see that the EV is the wrong choice to get actual work done.
If one the other hand, you just want to look like your doing work, without actually performing any, get the electric truck. Don't ask me to tow you though.
Posted by: Chemistry Professor
Batteries store electric potential in the form of reversible chemical reactions. As you get higher energy density storage in batteries, the batteries seem to be more unstable; ie, the lithium cobalt batteries in cars get "hot" especially when charging, and can spontaneously combust. Getting "better" batteries with higher potential chemical reactions might make them even more dangerous.
If one the other hand, you just want to look like your doing work, without actually performing any, get the electric truck. Don't ask me to tow you though.
Posted by: Chemistry Professor
Batteries store electric potential in the form of reversible chemical reactions. As you get higher energy density storage in batteries, the batteries seem to be more unstable; ie, the lithium cobalt batteries in cars get "hot" especially when charging, and can spontaneously combust. Getting "better" batteries with higher potential chemical reactions might make them even more dangerous.
Posted by: Barnacle Bill the sailor at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (vcOmj)
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My dad was a little kid in the 1920's, and remembered watching a crew pave the next street over using all electric trucks. In those days, your typical big gas truck was about 1-1/2 tons, and the electrics had a bigger payload. They were comically slow, and had to knock off and head for the barn a couple hours before the rest of the crew quit, to start recharging.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (4PZHB)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
I wish they had front cameras. Damn trucks sit so high off the ground with standard 20" rims, that you lose sight of the parking pole or facing vehicle when parking. I wind up 3 to 4 feet from where I need to be because I stop so short.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
I wish they had front cameras. Damn trucks sit so high off the ground with standard 20" rims, that you lose sight of the parking pole or facing vehicle when parking. I wind up 3 to 4 feet from where I need to be because I stop so short.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (GIBR7)
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Ford went all in one fuel economy awhile ago and even it's ICE engines are less reliable. You can't get a v8 anymore, it's all turbo or supercharged 6's and 4s. They make good horse power, but lack torque- and the gains are due to higher compression and rev/redlines, which means lower engine life (every engine has a finite number of turns). Also, understand there's a very expensive top end repair due to oil blowback residue on the turbo 4, basically $3k+ every 80k miles (so after warranty).
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (kbeGA)
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Funny you should say that. I just had that problem and the car just happened to tick over 80k.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 26, 2023 11:24 AM (kbeGA)
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Funny you should say that. I just had that problem and the car just happened to tick over 80k.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (3JfbU)
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What? It’s hot in Texas? In summer? This is unprecedented and shows global warming is gonna kill us all.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (ju3/i)
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Gotta say I love the radar assist cruise control that's become standard these days.
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You're welcome.
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You're welcome.
Posted by: Corporal Water O'Reilly at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (lf83v)
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242 Toyota no longer puts a V8 in the Tundra. Twin turbo V6.
so, if you add it up, it's basically a v12
so, if you add it up, it's basically a v12
Posted by: guy in a car commercial waving laminated lobster tails at June 26, 2023 11:56 AM (v3pYe)
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In my misspent youth, I bought an old beater Dodge dart, mainly because it had a pushbutton transmission, which I thought was really cool. Boy, was that an expensive lesson.
Posted by: Cheerful Reprobate at June 26, 2023 11:57 AM (DaCyj)
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@145 RedStateBlueMind-Feathers double sided safety razor blades are unforgiving. Their specialty is their one sided blades for their "straight razor" disposable blades. You can get different cutting sharpness. I use their Super Pro(deadly) and ProGuard(not so deadly). They make the foldable straights and the Japanese Kamisori style shavers.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:57 AM (IlL6s)
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Is there a chip in your EV that records when you charged, where and how much?
Because that would be totally surprising and not at all manipulable in an enforced Social Credit system.
Because that would be totally surprising and not at all manipulable in an enforced Social Credit system.
Posted by: Zek at June 26, 2023 11:57 AM (5FPX4)
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM (ju3/i)
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Ford will be bankrupt in 5 years or less.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)
New phrase in 5 to 10 years: Too bailed out to fail!
Ford will be bankrupt in 5 years or less.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)
New phrase in 5 to 10 years: Too bailed out to fail!
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM (nRMeC)
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The RMBS Mom had one back in the day. My Honda Accord has one. So goes the circle of automotive life.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (FVJNG)
BYAAAAAAGWAAAAA BAWEMBAAAAAAAA
BOOGITYBOOBOOGITY BAAAHHHH
The RMBS Mom had one back in the day. My Honda Accord has one. So goes the circle of automotive life.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (FVJNG)
BYAAAAAAGWAAAAA BAWEMBAAAAAAAA
BOOGITYBOOBOOGITY BAAAHHHH
Posted by: The Lyin' King at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM (AJ2DX)
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@145 RedStateBlueMind-Feathers double sided safety razor blades are unforgiving. Their specialty is their one sided blades for their "straight razor" disposable blades. You can get different cutting sharpness. I use their Super Pro(deadly) and ProGuard(not so deadly). They make the foldable straights and the Japanese Kamisori style shavers.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:57 AM
Good to know. I may take a look at those.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 11:57 AM
Good to know. I may take a look at those.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (FVJNG)
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185 Consumers are just so stupid about these mandates.
You tell them the government is going to make the automakers make more fuel efficient vehicles, and they squeal with delight.
They never get the explanation you're paying $8000 more dollars for a Rube Goldberg engine that will save them a $1 a week in gas and will be totaled the first major engine repair.
I blame Nixon for CAFE.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (GyG/g)
You should blame the entire Government/Foreign Policy/Industrial/Banking Complex for making the US dependent on petroleum from overseas who are not natural allies of the US. Lack of energy independence for the past 70 years or so is the cause of many of our woes.
Manufacturing was/is shipped overseas to procure cheaper goods; oil production was shipped overseas to procure cheaper oil.
You tell them the government is going to make the automakers make more fuel efficient vehicles, and they squeal with delight.
They never get the explanation you're paying $8000 more dollars for a Rube Goldberg engine that will save them a $1 a week in gas and will be totaled the first major engine repair.
I blame Nixon for CAFE.
Posted by: Blago at June 26, 2023 11:37 AM (GyG/g)
You should blame the entire Government/Foreign Policy/Industrial/Banking Complex for making the US dependent on petroleum from overseas who are not natural allies of the US. Lack of energy independence for the past 70 years or so is the cause of many of our woes.
Manufacturing was/is shipped overseas to procure cheaper goods; oil production was shipped overseas to procure cheaper oil.
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (AMIL/)
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245 ITS FUNNY CAUSE THE ONLY ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT WORKS WELL FOR HAULING HEAVY LOADS IN ALL CONDITIONS IS A TRAIN THAT HAULS A GIANT DIESEL GENERATOR WITH IT.
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
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I just got a great idea for a new EV car design!
for cars, transmissions are a better bet.
Posted by: Ben Rothleisbergergler at June 26, 2023 11:27 AM (AiIXY)
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I just got a great idea for a new EV car design!
for cars, transmissions are a better bet.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (v3pYe)
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Ford will be bankrupt in 5 years or less.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)
Beshear has put us on the hook for a chunk of the Kentucky plant as well. Yay.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)
Beshear has put us on the hook for a chunk of the Kentucky plant as well. Yay.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)
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EVs are a niche vehicle without wide application.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (UVyKP)
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I agree, except I can't really understand the niche they fill. Southern to mid-Atlantic weather, where the cold doesn't really hurt your usage, in an urban area (with ready access to recharge and fre services), and a people-mover application (instead of cargo mover). Maybe taxi services?
Just don't park it in a garage, you might collapse the sucker. And be careful recharging, to avoid toxic lithium fumes. Electric vehicles seem like round pegs in a square hole.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (UVyKP)
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I agree, except I can't really understand the niche they fill. Southern to mid-Atlantic weather, where the cold doesn't really hurt your usage, in an urban area (with ready access to recharge and fre services), and a people-mover application (instead of cargo mover). Maybe taxi services?
Just don't park it in a garage, you might collapse the sucker. And be careful recharging, to avoid toxic lithium fumes. Electric vehicles seem like round pegs in a square hole.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (G10ET)
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The RMBS Mom had one back in the day. My Honda Accord has one. So goes the circle of automotive life.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (FVJNG)
BYAAAAAAGWAAAAA BAWEMBAAAAAAAA
BOOGITYBOOBOOGITY BAAAHHHH
Posted by: The Lyin' King at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM
Hakuna Mazda!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM (FVJNG)
BYAAAAAAGWAAAAA BAWEMBAAAAAAAA
BOOGITYBOOBOOGITY BAAAHHHH
Posted by: The Lyin' King at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM
Hakuna Mazda!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (FVJNG)
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Of course range is lower under load. What do people think this is? Magic?
Of course range is lower under load. What do people think this is? Magic?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 26, 2023 12:00 PM (oINRc)
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What the Hell Just Happened in Russia?
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Simple. Putin just mobilized his mercenary division to Belarusse.
Brilliant move.
I suggest you watch this video. What you describe makes no military sense. Watch the first 3 minutes, but especially the bit starting at 1:40.
https://tinyurl.com/48ku3w4s
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Simple. Putin just mobilized his mercenary division to Belarusse.
Brilliant move.
I suggest you watch this video. What you describe makes no military sense. Watch the first 3 minutes, but especially the bit starting at 1:40.
https://tinyurl.com/48ku3w4s
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 12:01 PM (eOEVl)
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Interesting. Ford Pro
2023 Police & Special Service Vehicles Guide
Encompassing a well-rounded suite of products and services to help accelerate your productivity, Ford Pro is your one-stop shop for success. Our comprehensive solutions include vehicle software, service, financing and – as fleets of all sizes begin the transition to electrification – charging. All built upon the simple fact that Ford is #1 in commercial vehicles for 37 consecutive years.
2023 Police & Special Service Vehicles Guide
Encompassing a well-rounded suite of products and services to help accelerate your productivity, Ford Pro is your one-stop shop for success. Our comprehensive solutions include vehicle software, service, financing and – as fleets of all sizes begin the transition to electrification – charging. All built upon the simple fact that Ford is #1 in commercial vehicles for 37 consecutive years.
Posted by: L - Practice made perfect & speeds up security clearances at June 26, 2023 12:01 PM (GshMh)
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"Of course range is lower under load. What do people think this is? Magic?"
Of course it's not magic. Electricity comes from the outlet, stupid.
Of course it's not magic. Electricity comes from the outlet, stupid.
Posted by: Alexandra Occasional Cortex at June 26, 2023 12:01 PM (5FPX4)
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Back up cameras are awesome, but does anyone else feel like they are a crutch? A nice crutch, but still feels like one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM
Not to me because I still perform a full visual check. The backup camera lets me make sure I'm not going to hit a toddler or something else that doesn't reach the viewing area of the rear window.
Posted by: It's only a crutch if you use it as a crutch at June 26, 2023
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I've been backing my vehicles into parking spaces for many years. The difference then was that cars had actual rear windows that let you see out, instead of the slanted items of today's cars. So yes, the camera is useful.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM
Not to me because I still perform a full visual check. The backup camera lets me make sure I'm not going to hit a toddler or something else that doesn't reach the viewing area of the rear window.
Posted by: It's only a crutch if you use it as a crutch at June 26, 2023
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I've been backing my vehicles into parking spaces for many years. The difference then was that cars had actual rear windows that let you see out, instead of the slanted items of today's cars. So yes, the camera is useful.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 26, 2023 12:01 PM (J2vNu)
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You should blame the entire Government/Foreign Policy/Industrial/Banking Complex for making the US dependent on petroleum from overseas who are not natural allies of the US. Lack of energy independence for the past 70 years or so is the cause of many of our woes.
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (AMIL/)
And by "banking complex" he means Jooz. Burn him! Burn the anti-Semite!
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (AMIL/)
And by "banking complex" he means Jooz. Burn him! Burn the anti-Semite!
Posted by: It's a dog at June 26, 2023 12:01 PM (AJ2DX)
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261 253
There are 360 camera options that are way cool and help avoid things like this.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM (ju3/i)
I kind of wish that there was an always on rear camera option available in the navigation screen. I was always taught you should not merge after passing until you can see both of the passed vehicle's headlights. Put like a line or something on the screen and that would help as well (of course, the camera could not see in the blind spot- hey, that would be a good spot for some cameras on the display as well!
There are 360 camera options that are way cool and help avoid things like this.
Posted by: Montec at June 26, 2023 11:58 AM (ju3/i)
I kind of wish that there was an always on rear camera option available in the navigation screen. I was always taught you should not merge after passing until you can see both of the passed vehicle's headlights. Put like a line or something on the screen and that would help as well (of course, the camera could not see in the blind spot- hey, that would be a good spot for some cameras on the display as well!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)
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Dog whistle. Jeebus.
Posted by: It's a dog at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (AJ2DX)
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253 I wish they had front cameras.
what i want are side-looking cameras mounted on the front bumper so that when i'm waiting to turn right next to a pesky left-turner in a big truck blocking the view, i can poke my bumper past the big truck and see if anything's coming.
what i want are side-looking cameras mounted on the front bumper so that when i'm waiting to turn right next to a pesky left-turner in a big truck blocking the view, i can poke my bumper past the big truck and see if anything's coming.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (v3pYe)
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GM already makes mass market cars and can be had for less than a 10th of Tesla's market cap. It'd basically double Tesla's earnings and more than double revenue and reduce future competition. Ford already exited the sedan market.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (eYoxG)
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Depending on the ownership arrangememt - and lawyers can fix alot of it - he can't threaten his Tesla business by losing the carbon offset sales.
He certainly would be better than the broad running GM today.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (eYoxG)
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Depending on the ownership arrangememt - and lawyers can fix alot of it - he can't threaten his Tesla business by losing the carbon offset sales.
He certainly would be better than the broad running GM today.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (UVyKP)
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Eromero -- Feather Shaving Products is a Japanese non-woke company. Sharpest most precision made blades on the planet.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 1
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I use them in my vintage and modern safety razors.
Posted by: JROD at June 26, 2023 1
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I use them in my vintage and modern safety razors.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 26, 2023 12:03 PM (J2vNu)
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> Beshear has put us on the hook for a chunk of the Kentucky plant as well. Yay.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)
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I wonder how much of a kickback he's getting... along with McConnell, Paul and the other political nitwits from here.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:59 AM (zZu0s)
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I wonder how much of a kickback he's getting... along with McConnell, Paul and the other political nitwits from here.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2023 12:03 PM (Q4IgG)
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what i want are side-looking cameras mounted on the front bumper so that when i'm waiting to turn right next to a pesky left-turner in a big truck blocking the view, i can poke my bumper past the big truck and see if anything's coming.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (v3pYe)
That's a cool application too that would be useful.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (v3pYe)
That's a cool application too that would be useful.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 12:03 PM (zZu0s)
283
What the Hell Just Happened in Russia?
https://tinyurl.com/389a9b9y
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM
Is riddle, wrapped inside mystery, wrapped inside massive cash transfer to Biden family, comrade.
https://tinyurl.com/389a9b9y
Posted by: Robert at June 26, 2023 11:50 AM
Is riddle, wrapped inside mystery, wrapped inside massive cash transfer to Biden family, comrade.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 12:04 PM (FVJNG)
284
Panomelli Kiki Bobo.
Posted by: Joe Isuzu at June 26, 2023 12:04 PM (DhOHl)
285
"I'm convinced tech like solar and electric cars would actually do better if there was zero government involvement."
This actually would be true if it was a level playing field and there were no "subsidies" for the competition and this includes not only ICEs but electric power plants.
So much taxpayer money is being dumped into the "private sector" now, no one knows how to make a honest dollar anymore.
This actually would be true if it was a level playing field and there were no "subsidies" for the competition and this includes not only ICEs but electric power plants.
So much taxpayer money is being dumped into the "private sector" now, no one knows how to make a honest dollar anymore.
Posted by: pawn at June 26, 2023 12:04 PM (wsHtO)
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268 I agree, except I can't really understand the niche they fill. Southern to mid-Atlantic weather, where the cold doesn't really hurt your usage, in an urban area
so between global warming and overpopulation, they'll take over the world.
so between global warming and overpopulation, they'll take over the world.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 12:04 PM (v3pYe)
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Is riddle, wrapped inside mystery, wrapped inside massive cash transfer to Biden family, comrade.
What is beink me?
What is beink me?
Posted by: Enigma at June 26, 2023 12:05 PM (eOEVl)
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EVs are a niche vehicle without wide application.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (UVyKP)
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I agree, except I can't really understand the niche they fill.
Running around Florida's retirement communities.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 11:52 AM (UVyKP)
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I agree, except I can't really understand the niche they fill.
Running around Florida's retirement communities.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 12:05 PM (GIBR7)
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279 GM already makes mass market cars and can be had for less than a 10th of Tesla's market cap. It'd basically double Tesla's earnings and more than double revenue and reduce future competition. Ford already exited the sedan market.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (eYoxG)
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Depending on the ownership arrangememt - and lawyers can fix alot of it - he can't threaten his Tesla business by losing the carbon offset sales.
He certainly would be better than the broad running GM today.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (UVyKP)
If Tesla owns GM, the cost that GM bore now becomes reduced expenses to Tesla-GM, exactly offsetting what they were getting before.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 11:45 AM (eYoxG)
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Depending on the ownership arrangememt - and lawyers can fix alot of it - he can't threaten his Tesla business by losing the carbon offset sales.
He certainly would be better than the broad running GM today.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (UVyKP)
If Tesla owns GM, the cost that GM bore now becomes reduced expenses to Tesla-GM, exactly offsetting what they were getting before.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 26, 2023 12:06 PM (eYoxG)
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Is riddle, wrapped inside mystery, wrapped inside massive cash transfer to Biden family, comrade.
What is beink me?
Posted by: Enigma at June 26, 2023 12:05 PM
Is beink Biden shell companies and accounting.
What is beink me?
Posted by: Enigma at June 26, 2023 12:05 PM
Is beink Biden shell companies and accounting.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 12:06 PM (FVJNG)
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New one: Covid.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 26, 2023 12:06 PM (eOEVl)
292
WuNOOD
Posted by: Inogame at June 26, 2023 12:06 PM (53oGX)
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Like Skip, I've probably bought my last F150. My 2014 4WD XLT cost me $30k brand new with no trade-in. It gets about 17 mpg at 75 running up and down the flat roads of coastal bend of Texas.
I do development construction so that makes 4WD necessary.
35 gallon tank gives me well over 500 between fill ups.
A brand new truck just like mine is $60k now. Finding one with a 5.0 V8 is getting difficult.
I do development construction so that makes 4WD necessary.
35 gallon tank gives me well over 500 between fill ups.
A brand new truck just like mine is $60k now. Finding one with a 5.0 V8 is getting difficult.
Posted by: DanMan at June 26, 2023 12:07 PM (DB6tu)
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Dozens of vehicles spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported.
Posted by: David St Hubbins at June 26, 2023 12:07 PM (aBJcM)
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Meanwhile if I want to make up for reduced range due to towing, I can just toss on a jerry can or two for ICE in 5 minutes.
The US automotive executives are taking payouts to destroy NA privately owned transportation. And they know it - there are no materials to make these batteries in sufficient quantities, and no charging infrastructure to charge them. The end goal is ending most private vehicle ownership for us peasants.
Thinking real hard about an older diesel truck that can be run on biodiesel to get us past the coming Thunderdome times.
The US automotive executives are taking payouts to destroy NA privately owned transportation. And they know it - there are no materials to make these batteries in sufficient quantities, and no charging infrastructure to charge them. The end goal is ending most private vehicle ownership for us peasants.
Thinking real hard about an older diesel truck that can be run on biodiesel to get us past the coming Thunderdome times.
Posted by: somedood at June 26, 2023 12:08 PM (BF5+T)
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what i want are side-looking cameras mounted on the front bumper so that when i'm waiting to turn right next to a pesky left-turner in a big truck blocking the view, i can poke my bumper past the big truck and see if anything's coming.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (v3pYe)
Big Trucks? I believe you mean the taller vehicles of all types owned by asshoes who never use turn signals and always stop with their front bumper almost even with the cross-street's curb.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 12:02 PM (v3pYe)
Big Trucks? I believe you mean the taller vehicles of all types owned by asshoes who never use turn signals and always stop with their front bumper almost even with the cross-street's curb.
Posted by: Gref at June 26, 2023 12:09 PM (AMIL/)
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I agree, except I can't really understand the niche they fill.
Running around Florida's retirement communities.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 12:05 PM (GIBR7)
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Golf cart with doors and air conditioning
Running around Florida's retirement communities.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2023 12:05 PM (GIBR7)
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Golf cart with doors and air conditioning
Posted by: '59 Cadillac El Dorado at June 26, 2023 12:11 PM (flINI)
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Yet Ford’s executives, being obedient apparatchiks of the communist ruling class, are determined to kill off its ICE vehicles and replace them with their unwanted EVs.
Yes, every American auto company is doing that. Because of the EPA and other government regulations for mpg and greenhouse gas emissions. And the fines and bans of selling vehicles in USA if the mpg and greenhouse gas emission targets are not met. The regulations have been deliberately set to be impossible to meet except with EVs. This was put in motion back in 2009 by the Obama Administration.
2025 is the year that the impossible targets kick in and the fines and sales bans will be implemented. The Trump Administration had halted these regulations and was set to lower them. But then the Deep State rigged and stole the 2020 election and the regulation plan was back to full speed ahead.
This is all directed by the WEF and is worldwide for every Western nation. Agenda 2030.
Yes, every American auto company is doing that. Because of the EPA and other government regulations for mpg and greenhouse gas emissions. And the fines and bans of selling vehicles in USA if the mpg and greenhouse gas emission targets are not met. The regulations have been deliberately set to be impossible to meet except with EVs. This was put in motion back in 2009 by the Obama Administration.
2025 is the year that the impossible targets kick in and the fines and sales bans will be implemented. The Trump Administration had halted these regulations and was set to lower them. But then the Deep State rigged and stole the 2020 election and the regulation plan was back to full speed ahead.
This is all directed by the WEF and is worldwide for every Western nation. Agenda 2030.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 26, 2023 12:13 PM (60h0q)
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190 I'll have to look them up. 'Safety' razors are not something to be taken lightly.
*checks cuts*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM
I bought some of their safety razor blades once. They are definitely not to be taken lightly.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM
Dang, I'm jusy shaving a sparse beard, not chopping bois d'arc.
*checks cuts*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 26, 2023 11:29 AM
I bought some of their safety razor blades once. They are definitely not to be taken lightly.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2023 11:40 AM
Dang, I'm jusy shaving a sparse beard, not chopping bois d'arc.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2023 12:15 PM (Uv0D2)
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Critical to the success of the American experiment was a government that created an environment where its citizens and private industry could pursue "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Ford, in its first century, exemplified what this could look like in practice, both in peace and in war, and by doing so help create one of the most free, wealthy and generous nations ever to exist. Now, in Ford's second century, they now exemplify what a once fiercely independent enterprise looks like as a increasingly dependent colony of the Federal government and by extension how those certain Rights have been eroded by that same Federal government. The vision and practice of those ideals are increasingly on the brink and most disturbingly are ever more resembling the totalitarian world of the Chinese Communist or in its most base form the crudity of the Soviet Union. In God We Trust, once a heralding of our national anchoring is rapidly becoming a perversion of that ideal as a last gasp plea before all becomes unrecognizable.
Posted by: Lost In Space at June 26, 2023 12:17 PM (qxLut)
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Ford is full of engineers that could explain the physics of the electric pickup problem to the dilettantes in its C-Suites, but the executives don’t want to hear it. Instead, they are laying off those engineers while pursuing the agenda of Klaus Schwab and Greta Thunberg.
Technically, they are pursuing the agenda, yes. But the reason they are pursuing the agenda is because of the EPA and government regulations for building and selling automobiles in the USA. The targets for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions are deliberately set so high that they cannot be met by ICE vehicles. This forces every American auto company to have to produce EVs. If they do not meet the targets, they will face fines large enough to destroy the company or they will face a ban on selling vehicles in the USA until they meet the targets with the product lineup.
Ford and every other American auto company is not going to EVs in a vacuum. This is all because of government regulations. And those regulations come from the WEF. Every Western nation is implementing them.
The problem is not Ford or GM or Stellantis or any other company. The issue is the Deep State taking orders from the WEF.
Technically, they are pursuing the agenda, yes. But the reason they are pursuing the agenda is because of the EPA and government regulations for building and selling automobiles in the USA. The targets for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions are deliberately set so high that they cannot be met by ICE vehicles. This forces every American auto company to have to produce EVs. If they do not meet the targets, they will face fines large enough to destroy the company or they will face a ban on selling vehicles in the USA until they meet the targets with the product lineup.
Ford and every other American auto company is not going to EVs in a vacuum. This is all because of government regulations. And those regulations come from the WEF. Every Western nation is implementing them.
The problem is not Ford or GM or Stellantis or any other company. The issue is the Deep State taking orders from the WEF.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 26, 2023 12:19 PM (60h0q)
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Comin to ya, in a sweet EV
bought it with, my subsidy
Can't find a charge, well don't you sweat
Cuz you ain't nothin' yet...
I'm a Coal man...dada duh dada dat duh DAH
I'm a COOOAL man!"
bought it with, my subsidy
Can't find a charge, well don't you sweat
Cuz you ain't nothin' yet...
I'm a Coal man...dada duh dada dat duh DAH
I'm a COOOAL man!"
Posted by: Elwood Blooz, shade tree mechanic at June 26, 2023 12:20 PM (HACXu)
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I said that a while ago when Ford announced their total focus on EV.
They are just a govt agency now.
They are just a govt agency now.
Posted by: PJ at June 26, 2023 12:21 PM (G1dq6)
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I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
Once again, Ford and GM and Stellantis are not committing suicide. Not willingly. The Deep State through government regulations has a gun to their heads and the companies have no choice but to meet the regulations or go out of business.
The problem is the government regulations (which originate from the WEF Agenda 2030). The "Green New Deal" has been enacted through the EPA and government regulations. Far past time for people to wake up to that reality.
Once again, Ford and GM and Stellantis are not committing suicide. Not willingly. The Deep State through government regulations has a gun to their heads and the companies have no choice but to meet the regulations or go out of business.
The problem is the government regulations (which originate from the WEF Agenda 2030). The "Green New Deal" has been enacted through the EPA and government regulations. Far past time for people to wake up to that reality.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 26, 2023 12:24 PM (60h0q)
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Posted by: Ciampino - needs it fixed at June 26, 2023 12:41 PM (qfLjt)
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GM's $9-billion bail-out was only the start of the slide into Government Motors-dom. In addition, there were:
- $15-billion in TARP funds for GM and GMAC which were never paid back and were ultimately forgiven;
- $10-billion in Good Will, normally written off during bankruptcies, but which GM was allowed to retain;
- $22-billion in underfunded pension payments which were dumped into the PBGC, moving the liability from GM to the taxpayers;
- $13-billion Treasury loss in the purchase of 650-million GM shares (@ ~$52/share) to prop up the price, but later sold off (@ ~$32/share) at a loss.
The US Government awarded GM a $60-billion competitive advantage over its rivals, and that was 15 years ago. In today's dollars it's worth north of $81-billion. Government Motors indeed!
- $15-billion in TARP funds for GM and GMAC which were never paid back and were ultimately forgiven;
- $10-billion in Good Will, normally written off during bankruptcies, but which GM was allowed to retain;
- $22-billion in underfunded pension payments which were dumped into the PBGC, moving the liability from GM to the taxpayers;
- $13-billion Treasury loss in the purchase of 650-million GM shares (@ ~$52/share) to prop up the price, but later sold off (@ ~$32/share) at a loss.
The US Government awarded GM a $60-billion competitive advantage over its rivals, and that was 15 years ago. In today's dollars it's worth north of $81-billion. Government Motors indeed!
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 26, 2023 12:50 PM (K58O6)
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Visited a buddy of mine who lives fairly close to the KY battery site, exit 86 on I-65. There was a lot of land work going on there. It's a rural area, mostly family farms. Land rices have gone through the roof there. Supposedly the plant will create almost 6,000 jobs. Many locals are not happy.
Posted by: javems at June 26, 2023 12:53 PM (AmoqO)
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The assumption is that EV mandates will force consumers to purchase EVs, whether they want to or not.
California tried that in the '90's - it didn't work.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 26, 2023 11:05 AM
And the Marxist Left learned from that. They are now mandating, through strict regulations, that auto companies build and sell only EVs. So consumers will no longer have the choice to reject EVs, since EVs will be the only option for consumers to buy.
California tried that in the '90's - it didn't work.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 26, 2023 11:05 AM
And the Marxist Left learned from that. They are now mandating, through strict regulations, that auto companies build and sell only EVs. So consumers will no longer have the choice to reject EVs, since EVs will be the only option for consumers to buy.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 26, 2023 01:00 PM (60h0q)
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Ford's EV sales will go up when ICE vehicles are outlawed by a Dem administration. You know it's coming.
Posted by: Al in St. Louis at June 26, 2023 01:01 PM (SR8HU)
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I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
And your average commie cocksucker will blame those damned reactionary capitalist running dogs in the GOP for all those lost Ford jobs because... reasons.
I’d say that Ford will be missed, but it’s already been lost. The slow suicide it has chosen will be painful to watch, because it will destroy so many jobs and businesses with it.
And your average commie cocksucker will blame those damned reactionary capitalist running dogs in the GOP for all those lost Ford jobs because... reasons.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 26, 2023 01:02 PM (n+4am)
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- there's the plug-in battery that only gets charged by being plugged in. this battery can't be charged by the engine or regenerative braking.
i just don't get the plug-in hybrid thing.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (v3pYe)
This is disheartening since I was actually looking at this model to replace my 2010.
i just don't get the plug-in hybrid thing.
Posted by: anachronda at June 26, 2023 11:30 AM (v3pYe)
This is disheartening since I was actually looking at this model to replace my 2010.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at June 26, 2023 01:24 PM (Hh3y4)
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I’m old enough to remember when companies responded to the demands of their customers by giving them what they want.
The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM
Automakers are not insisting on more EVs. The federal government, the Deep State and the WEF are insisting on more EVs. And they are getting them by forcing the hand of automakers through ridiculous government regulations and fines if the ridiculous regulation targets for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions are not met.
These are the consequences of rigged and stolen elections and the complete takeover of every institution in the country by the Marxist Left's long march through the institutions.
The Chevy Volt failed and failed miserably. What do the automakers do? Insist on MORE EVs.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 26, 2023 11:13 AM
Automakers are not insisting on more EVs. The federal government, the Deep State and the WEF are insisting on more EVs. And they are getting them by forcing the hand of automakers through ridiculous government regulations and fines if the ridiculous regulation targets for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions are not met.
These are the consequences of rigged and stolen elections and the complete takeover of every institution in the country by the Marxist Left's long march through the institutions.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 26, 2023 01:54 PM (60h0q)
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Staggering numbers, LCMS Rulz!
Posted by: PJ at June 26, 2023 01:58 PM (G1dq6)
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Ford's EV sales will go up when ICE vehicles are outlawed by a Dem administration. You know it's coming.
Posted by: Al in St. Louis at June 26, 2023 01:01 PM
They already are effectively outlawed through EPA and federal government regulations for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions. That is why every automaker has gone full-EV, because that is the only way to meet the ridiculously stringent regulations that ICE vehicles cannot possibly meet.
That is the way to ban ICE vehicles without explicitly banning them. You make the regulations strict enough such that no ICE vehicle can meet them and force the automakers to only build and sell EVs to meet the regulations.
That is what is going on. This is the WEF Agenda in full force. Blaming Ford or GM or Stellantis is completely missing the big picture. They are operating with a gun to their heads. WEF and Deep State are holding it. People want this to end? Then destroy the WEF and Deep State.
Posted by: Al in St. Louis at June 26, 2023 01:01 PM
They already are effectively outlawed through EPA and federal government regulations for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions. That is why every automaker has gone full-EV, because that is the only way to meet the ridiculously stringent regulations that ICE vehicles cannot possibly meet.
That is the way to ban ICE vehicles without explicitly banning them. You make the regulations strict enough such that no ICE vehicle can meet them and force the automakers to only build and sell EVs to meet the regulations.
That is what is going on. This is the WEF Agenda in full force. Blaming Ford or GM or Stellantis is completely missing the big picture. They are operating with a gun to their heads. WEF and Deep State are holding it. People want this to end? Then destroy the WEF and Deep State.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 26, 2023 01:58 PM (60h0q)
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Just a rhetoric note: the word "communism" has totally lost its sting. We need to call this new woke left "fascist" for the following reasons:
1. They hate it. Calling them communists is actually flattering to them. They like to think they are sticking up for the little guy, which leftists think is what communism is about.
2. It's actually more accurate. Communists revere the working class, they believe in.a dictatorship of the proletariat and the destruction of capitalism. The wokists are pro-big corporation and hate the working class. Corporations are working hand in glove with the wokists, as they shift the argument from class politics to identity politics in order to undercut the true left stragglers who still want communist revolution.
3. Instead of arguing about whether fascism or communism is preferable, it changes the argument to who are the real fascists. This is a better battleground for the present stage of politics.
1. They hate it. Calling them communists is actually flattering to them. They like to think they are sticking up for the little guy, which leftists think is what communism is about.
2. It's actually more accurate. Communists revere the working class, they believe in.a dictatorship of the proletariat and the destruction of capitalism. The wokists are pro-big corporation and hate the working class. Corporations are working hand in glove with the wokists, as they shift the argument from class politics to identity politics in order to undercut the true left stragglers who still want communist revolution.
3. Instead of arguing about whether fascism or communism is preferable, it changes the argument to who are the real fascists. This is a better battleground for the present stage of politics.
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Big Brother wants to select the cars you drive and restrict your travel miles
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