Consolidate Our Win, Let Abortion Be A State Matter, And Take It Off The National Stage

The pro-life movement won a great battle with the Dobbs decision that pushed abortion back to the states. The Democrat party used the decision as a tremendous hook to increase contributions for the 2022 midterm elections, and used it as a cudgel with which to beat vulnerable candidates in swing districts. That, combined with feckless Republican efforts and outright sabotage (Screw you Lindsey Graham!) and even more outright cheating led to a pathetic showing in those elections.

But the hysteria whipped up by the fearmongering abortion cheerleaders has calmed down, and it is no longer front-and-center in the consciousness of chardonnay-swilling soccer moms and their soi-boys who vote the way their wives tell them.

'Rage giving' prompted by the end of Roe has dropped off, abortion access groups say

And this is a very big deal. Despite the clear and unambiguous support for restrictions on abortions, the Democrat party uses its formidable organizational skill to target voters in swing districts, and abortion is a tremendous tool to motivate them. But if it isn't a hot topic, then there is less for the Democrat apparatus to use to get these voters to the polls.

Is the war over? No...of course not. The ghouls who relish the power of abortion to destroy traditional society will never give it up as a tool. But we have won a great battle, and it is the American people who are now deciding the fate of abortion in the states. It is time to stop the national rhetoric and take away this powerful tool from the Democrats. Is that distasteful? Yes, it is, but politics can never be pure, and as important as the abortion issue is for the soul of our country, we must look to the long term.

Sefton and Joe Mannix and I discussed this on the last CJN podcast, and Sefton gave a powerful dissent. I agree with him about abortion in general, but there are other battles to be fought in the interim so that we can win the abortion war!

Posted by: CBD at 03:15 PM

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1 THANK YOU! yes!

any R who brings this up as in "I would have a 15 week national ban" or WHATEVER time is a mole - a Commie pinko MOLE.

there is no reason for that. it's up to states as it should be (and a lot of other things too, but it's a start!)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 25, 2023 03:18 PM (w0NJk)

2 I hope DeSantis or one of his people saw what I just posted and this post and FIRST

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 25, 2023 03:18 PM (w0NJk)

3 Rats ,I have missed work today, someone should have mentioned it was Monday

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (xhxe8)

4 Keep democrat party candidates safe, legal and rare.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (DhOHl)

5 Abortion is a moral issue and a personal issue. I look at it that way as a Christian. For me it is abhorrent and a great sin. Every other aspect of the practice falls under that.

Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (KU+uc)

6 So you are saying national ban or bust, right?

Posted by: The Stupid Party at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (KFhLj)

7 I was going to mention CJN Speaks, it's gokd

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (xhxe8)

8 Despite the clear and unambiguous support for restrictions on abortions, the Democrat party uses its formidable organizational skill to target voters in swing districts, and abortion is a tremendous tool to motivate them.

It's a sad and horrifying fact that to a certain segment of the electorate, the fear of losing the "right" to kill their own baby is the threat that will drive them to the polls above all else.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (guGkK)

9 5 Abortion is a moral issue and a personal issue. I look at it that way as a Christian. For me it is abhorrent and a great sin. Every other aspect of the practice falls under that.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (KU+uc)

Murder is murder. Nothing personal about that.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (LOVUx)

10 It's a sad and horrifying fact that [insert any of 50 Democrat policies]...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (guGkK)

Yes. It is unambiguously evil. And we rolled it back...a lot!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 25, 2023 03:23 PM (PHmov)

11 Do any of you really believe that a trafficked 14 year old has time for personal reflection and moral calculus before her pimp presents her for an abortion?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 03:23 PM (LOVUx)

12 It's a sad and horrifying fact that to a certain segment of the electorate, the fear of losing the "right" to kill their own baby is the threat that will drive them to the polls above all else.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (guGkK)

Oh that crazy 19th Amendment.

Posted by: 63 million slaughtered babies say "Thanks a bunch, fucksticks." at June 25, 2023 03:23 PM (AJ2DX)

13 If Lindsay Graham got a tune-up from the same folks who tuned up Harry Reid, I'd laugh my ass off.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2023 03:23 PM (eWp1d)

14 Not as long as I can use Congressional bills to ban abortion nationally to tank Republican electoral chances in swing states.

You don't think I want a Republican majority, do you - they might remove me from the leadership.

Posted by: Miss Lindsey! at June 25, 2023 03:25 PM (2tUFv)

15 I keep hearing from the dims..."womens health care"...full term abortions ain't health care.

Posted by: BignJames at June 25, 2023 03:25 PM (AwYPR)

16 Thunder here, and the sun's out !

Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 03:26 PM (T4tVD)

17 It's a sad and horrifying fact that to a certain segment of the electorate, the fear of losing the "right" to kill their own baby is the threat that will drive them to the polls above all else.

I will tell you right now it's the MOMS

the girls don't sweat it that much but their moms are like "oh hell nah I won't be a grandma yet I'm still in my prime and I just paid for an eye lift!"

or "no way I want to take care of a grandchild! how embarrassing! my daughter is going to Columbia!"

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 25, 2023 03:27 PM (w0NJk)

18 >>If Lindsay Graham got a tune-up from the same folks who tuned up Harry Reid, I'd laugh my ass off.

He's currently in mourning over the fake insurrection in Russia and Ukraine's failing offensive.

His love for idiotic wars is as bad as McCains.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 25, 2023 03:28 PM (ZLI7S)

19 I agree. All republicans running for president need to shut their traps about abortion.

If they are asked a question about it respond....."abortion has been returned to the individual States".

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (ncXxy)

20 There will always be those on the right that feign moral outrage over this issue who'll continue to throw sand in the gears. It's an overwrought issue that needs to quit being front and center at every debate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (Q4IgG)

21 This battle is far from over. The left is relentless.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (Xrfse)

22 Pelosi says abortion is Democrats' ticket to victory in 2024, accuses Republicans of 'disrespect for women'
Nancy Pelosi vowed to reverse the end of Roe v. Wade 'one way or another'

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., urged her fellow Democrats to put the abortion issue front and center in their 2024 campaigns, arguing Republicans will lose big on the issue across the country.

Posted by: DB - at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (geLO8)

23 9 5 Abortion is a moral issue and a personal issue. I look at it that way as a Christian. For me it is abhorrent and a great sin. Every other aspect of the practice falls under that.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (KU+uc)

Murder is murder. Nothing personal about that.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (LOVUx)

Oh it is personal all right. Everyone has to answer to God for their actions... personally.

Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (KU+uc)

24 the girls don't sweat it that much but their moms are like "oh hell nah I won't be a grandma yet I'm still in my prime and I just paid for an eye lift!"

and still trying to ride the cock carousel

Posted by: It's an evil world we live in at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (AJ2DX)

25 if you think the baby inside his or her mother is not a person then I suppose killing it might be ok. I would like to know though, at what point the baby does become a person?

Posted by: fd at June 25, 2023 03:30 PM (iayUP)

26 beware of seizing the shepherd's crook

and the dim's are nothing but herders

Posted by: REDACTED at June 25, 2023 03:32 PM (us2H3)

27 It's the campaign issue that never stops giving

Posted by: DB - at June 25, 2023 03:33 PM (geLO8)

28 if you think the baby inside his or her mother is not a person then I suppose killing it might be ok. I would like to know though, at what point the baby does become a person?

Posted by: fd at June 25, 2023 03:30 PM

Depends on the State. Here in Texas a pregnant woman who was driving alone in the HOV lane got pulled over and ticketed. She is fighting it and it is looking like she is going to win. In Texas you can be charged with murder if you harm a pregnant woman which causes her to miscarry. That is also federal law but it is never charged. It also exempts abortion.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2023 03:34 PM (ncXxy)

29 >>> (Screw you Lindsey Graham!)

Ewwww.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:35 PM (LdYi7)

30 Permitting Trannies to invade women's spaces is tearing down women

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:35 PM (xhxe8)

31
I'd like to think in 25 years we will see abortion in the same light as we now see slavery. Except that the Democrats are a death cult and will defend it to the death of the last baby.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2023 03:35 PM (MoZTd)

32 Rats ,I have missed work today, someone should have mentioned it was Monday
Posted by: Skip

You must have one of them metric calendars.

Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 03:36 PM (T4tVD)

33 Negotiating the number of weeks at which abortion is officially okay is so typical of politicians... tells me all I need to know about them.

Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:36 PM (KU+uc)

34 >>>The Democrat party used the decision as a tremendous hook to increase contributions for the 2022 midterm elections, and used it as a cudgel with which to beat vulnerable candidates in swing districts.

It's an election-time topic for a lot of them. And I'd think it will continue being that.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:37 PM (LdYi7)

35 3 Rats ,I have missed work today, someone should have mentioned it was Monday
Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (xhxe

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:38 PM (LdYi7)

36 Rest assured the GOP will repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot and it will be the extremists calling for arrests that will make the news.

Posted by: JP at June 25, 2023 03:38 PM (tF/Gf)

37 I am only slightly more concerned that infanticide is legal in New York than that it is legal in France.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 25, 2023 03:39 PM (PY/t0)

38 4 Keep democrat party candidates safe, legal and rare.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (DhOHl)

Ha!

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:39 PM (LdYi7)

39 It's not an urgent issue, I suppose, unless you are one those dead babies. Then it probably would have matter a bit more.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 03:40 PM (LOVUx)

40 It's an election-time topic for a lot of them. And I'd think it will continue being that.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:37 PM (LdYi7)

Yes, but we can minimize that on the national stage.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 25, 2023 03:41 PM (PHmov)

41 The Democrat party used the decision as a tremendous hook to increase contributions for the 2022 midterm elections, and used it as a cudgel with which to beat vulnerable candidates in swing districts.

It's an election-time topic for a lot of them. And I'd think it will continue being that.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:37 PM

It is and that is why the democrats never codified abortion at the federal level when they had the house, a super majority in the senate and the white house during obama's first two years 2009-2010.

They would lose that huge fund raising issue and they were not going to screw that up.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2023 03:42 PM (ncXxy)

42 the most common fallacy in politics is there is a middle ground

Posted by: REDACTED at June 25, 2023 03:42 PM (us2H3)

43 He's currently in mourning over the fake insurrection in Russia and Ukraine's failing offensive.

Not to worry - with the collapse of the Ukrainian counteroffensive and the Russian coup, the Ukrainians are ratcheting up their "warnings" that the Russians are about to blow up the nuclear power plant.

Miss Lindsey and Vietnam Hero Blumenthal have already introduced a Congressional resolution that if radiation from the damaged nuclear plant goes over a NATO country, that is an Article Five violation, and therefore World War Three.

Miss Lindsey is not going to give up her efforts to get the United States into the war easily.

Posted by: Irrelevant and Obsessive! at June 25, 2023 03:43 PM (2tUFv)

44 Dobbs v. Jackson is settled law.

RESPECT THE PRECEDENT!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 25, 2023 03:43 PM (PY/t0)

45 tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief

Feeling any better ?

Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 03:43 PM (T4tVD)

46 The only rational solution is crowdsourced retroactive abortion to age 80. Maybe 90, just to be safe.

Posted by: City Gent at June 25, 2023 03:44 PM (f7ZuQ)

47 I know this is off topic but where are all the pics of the imploded submersible?

Too soon?

Posted by: Disabled elderly pregnant child at June 25, 2023 03:44 PM (nakGR)

48 There are now dozens of lines in the sand that need to be crossed. They are from one degree to another critical. Pick one. I dare you.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 25, 2023 03:44 PM (Xrfse)

49 If the Constitution did not give the federal government the power to legalize abortion (Article 10 issue, state's responsibility), it certainly doesn't give it the power to make it illegal. I am pro-life, but I would oppose any federal laws to criminalize abortion.

Posted by: butch at June 25, 2023 03:45 PM (wJXGS)

50 If voting as Jefferson prescribed

no women, land owners only

this would flip overnight

Posted by: REDACTED at June 25, 2023 03:46 PM (us2H3)

51 19 I agree. All republicans running for president need to shut their traps about abortion.

If they are asked a question about it respond....."abortion has been returned to the individual States".
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (ncXxy)

I think DeSantis could be that disciplined.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:46 PM (LdYi7)

52 "Depends on the State. Here in Texas a pregnant woman who was driving alone in the HOV lane got pulled over and ticketed."

Regardless of the law, my question would be directed at a person. When does a baby become a person? In other words, when did YOU become a person?

Posted by: fd at June 25, 2023 03:47 PM (iayUP)

53 Does a fetus have a soul is the question I would ask.

Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:49 PM (KU+uc)

54 Abortion was never a civil rights issue. It's always been about deciding when infanticide begins, and that's a state matter like whether or not to have a felony murder rule.

Around the world, most states decide to pick a date somewhere in the middle of the middle trimester. Very Solomonic, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 25, 2023 03:49 PM (RqMSv)

55 DeSantis on Twitter:

@GovRonDeSantis
22h
Today we celebrate the anniversary of the Dobbs decision.

Florida is proof that with bold leadership we can expand pro-life protections & provide more resources for mothers and families.

I will always champion a culture of life.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:50 PM (LdYi7)

56 53 Does a fetus have a soul is the question I would ask.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:49 PM (KU+uc)

if that question has to asked

do adults have a soul ??

Posted by: REDACTED at June 25, 2023 03:50 PM (us2H3)

57 >>> 25 if you think the baby inside his or her mother is not a person then I suppose killing it might be ok. I would like to know though, at what point the baby does become a person?
Posted by: fd at June 25, 2023 03:30 PM (iayUP)

As soon as the birthing person elects to have the clump of cells become a child so then it can decide its gender, duh!!!

Posted by: leftists at June 25, 2023 03:50 PM (llON8)

58 I don't think abortion is going to be as big an issue in 24 as the left wants it to be.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 25, 2023 03:50 PM (ZLI7S)

59 fd, at the very nanosecond of conception.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 25, 2023 03:52 PM (dC0Sz)

60 "Depends on the State. Here in Texas a pregnant woman who was driving alone in the HOV lane got pulled over and ticketed."

Regardless of the law, my question would be directed at a person. When does a baby become a person? In other words, when did YOU become a person?

Posted by: fd at June 25, 2023 03:47 PM

Federal law defines that very specifically, from the unborn victims of violence act:

child, who is in utero
(d) As used in this section, the term "unborn child" means a child in utero, and the term "child in utero" or "child, who is in utero" means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.

Literally from the second after a woman becomes pregnant there is a unique member of the species of homo sapiens residing in utero.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2023 03:53 PM (ncXxy)

61 56 53 Does a fetus have a soul is the question I would ask.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:49 PM (KU+uc)

if that question has to asked

do adults have a soul ??
Posted by: REDACTED at June 25, 2023 03:50 PM (us2H3)

Well being pedantic, yes and yes as far as I am concerned. I suppose for those who do not believe in God, the afterlife, and immortal souls abortion simply becomes an issue of utility and personal
preference...

Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:54 PM (KU+uc)

62 https://tinyurl.com/36kr22xc
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Abortion if it isn't a big issue in 2024 it won't be for their trying
Below the #1 Tweet

But you should see #16 video, would be a good Cafe

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:57 PM (xhxe8)

63 Many states HOV can be used by EV's

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:58 PM (xhxe8)

64 46 The only rational solution is crowdsourced retroactive abortion to age 80. Maybe 90, just to be safe.
Posted by: City Gent at June 25, 2023 03:44 PM (f7ZuQ)

Canada has that covered. Also late term abortion if you are poor, sick or mentally ill. Modeled after their "betters" on the continent - the Netherlands and Switzerland.

Ghouls the lot of them.

Posted by: Moki at June 25, 2023 03:58 PM (JrN/x)

65 Yeah, I remember the drumbeat of the attack ads on the teevee in October 2022. We were in IL then and it seemed like all that we heard, was "womens right to choose."

It dawned on me that from fed races for the senate, to dogcatchers, they were going to use abortion to drive GOTV and win.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 25, 2023 03:59 PM (4ZE6o)

66 >>>The pro-life movement won a great battle with the Dobbs decision that pushed abortion back to the states.

That is the nub of it. There is hope.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:59 PM (LdYi7)

67 Birth control is next.

Guaranteed.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 25, 2023 04:01 PM (4PZHB)

68 I will always champion a culture of life.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 03:50 PM (LdYi7)

That is the crux of the issue.

It isn't just abortion...it is lack of respect for human life.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 25, 2023 04:03 PM (PHmov)

69 45 tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief

Feeling any better ?
Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 03:43 PM (T4tVD)

Yep. Down to 99.9. So far so good.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:03 PM (LOVUx)

70 >>> 65 Yeah, I remember the drumbeat of the attack ads on the teevee in October 2022. We were in IL then and it seemed like all that we heard, was "womens right to choose."

It dawned on me that from fed races for the senate, to dogcatchers, they were going to use abortion to drive GOTV and win.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 25, 2023 03:59 PM (4ZE6o)

That, and "explain" any sort of questionable results.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 25, 2023 04:03 PM (llON8)

71 Is the guvment still pumping hundreds of million$ a year into Planned Parenthood?

Are they claiming that it is for "women's health services"?

That is like saying a brothel is a "battered women's shelter".

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 25, 2023 04:04 PM (ga8qR)

72 53 Does a fetus have a soul is the question I would ask.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:49 PM (KU+uc)

Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.

The fetus had a soul before it was formed, so, yes.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:04 PM (LOVUx)

73 tcn good to hear

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 04:05 PM (xhxe8)

74 At what point can a pregnant woman claim her fetus on her income tax as a deduction?

On the one hand there are laws about murder and then there are laws about taxation that treat the same thing very differently. Maybe that mess needs to be rectified?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2023 04:05 PM (Q4IgG)

75 Since Dobbs has NYFC become a 'tourist' attraction again?
Something for the progs to consider.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 25, 2023 04:05 PM (ga8qR)

76 )

72 53 Does a fetus have a soul is the question I would ask.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:49 PM (KU+uc)

Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.

The fetus had a soul before it was formed, so, yes.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:04 PM (LOVUx)

I hope you know that I agree and that my "
question" was being provocative..

Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 04:06 PM (KU+uc)

77 On the one hand there are laws about murder and then there are laws about taxation that treat the same thing very differently. Maybe that mess needs to be rectified?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2023 04:05 PM (Q4IgG)

As soon as you involve the IRS, yer fooked.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:06 PM (LOVUx)

78 I hope you know that I agree and that my "
question" was being provocative..
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 04:06 PM (KU+uc)

Naturally. But some things need to said out loud. Baby killing is one of those issues that some people are blind to. It's so horrid that a lot of people prefer not to look.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:07 PM (LOVUx)

79 9 5 Abortion is a moral issue and a personal issue. I look at it that way as a Christian. For me it is abhorrent and a great sin. Every other aspect of the practice falls under that.
Posted by: tubal at June 25, 2023 03:20 PM (KU+uc)

Murder is murder. Nothing personal about that.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 03:21 PM (LOVUx)

Abortion and gun control are very similar, in that both sides have people who don't want to publicly announce what is the natural conclusion of their arguments. If you believe in gun control, the optimal number of gubs in public hands is zero. If you are anti-abortion, the optimal number of abortions is zero.

Where we should take the pro-life argument at this point is not in the legislatures, but in the living rooms. Politicians can only do so much. For those who are pro-life, we have to do the long, hard work of convincing the public, not them. In a way, I take heart in the global warming movement. In 30 years, it went from fringe to mainstream. We need to do the same thing, in the same way they did.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 25, 2023 04:08 PM (UNgCA)

80 There are none so blind as the willfully so.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:09 PM (LOVUx)

81 Birth control is next.
---------------------

I am fairly sure the progs long advocated free birth control for the poor and minorities. As is redefining sterilization as BC.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 25, 2023 04:11 PM (ga8qR)

82 #72
In Jewish teachings and later christians teaching, no , the fetus did not have a soul while within the womb. The doul entered with the first breath taken outside. This was called the quickening. I am surprised you did not know that.
In the last Gallup poll 69% polled said that abortion should be legal in all or almost all cases on the first 3 months.
This will be kept as a national issue in 2024. Anti abortionists will be forced to determine when it becomes murder and who should be prosecuted if it is murder

Posted by: Paul at June 25, 2023 04:12 PM (SGZy2)

83 62 https://tinyurl.com/36kr22xc
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Abortion if it isn't a big issue in 2024 it won't be for their trying
Below the #1 Tweet

But you should see #16 video, would be a good Cafe
Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2023 03:57 PM (xhxe

Thanks, Skip!

Posted by: m at June 25, 2023 04:13 PM (LdYi7)

84 45 tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief

Feeling any better ?
Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 03:43 PM (T4tVD)

Yep. Down to 99.9. So far so good.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief

Good !

Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 04:14 PM (T4tVD)

85 Thanks Skip !

Posted by: JT at June 25, 2023 04:14 PM (T4tVD)

86 Anti abortionists will be forced to determine when it becomes murder and who should be prosecuted if it is murder
Posted by: Paul at June 25, 2023 04:12 PM (SGZy2)

Procuring an abortion is a mortal sin, which until recently could only be forgiven by the Bishop. I don't know aobut "later Christians," but if you mean Protestants, more power to you. They are anti-Catholic for the most part, so I wouldn't doubt they would allow that abortion was not some kind of sin, but I doubt it. I do not believe any Christians would say abortion is a-okay.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at June 25, 2023 04:15 PM (LOVUx)

87 I argued with a “law” prefesser once about this. She be saying the U S constitutional guaranteed the right to “privacy” and which was why abortion was a federal issue. I done did admonished her illiterate ass that there was no ‘“right to privacy” in da federales constitutional but that there are in some State constitutions, granting more freedom as it be. Abortion should have never been a federal question.

She gave me a “D” in her class for being a loud mouth honky.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 25, 2023 04:15 PM (R/m4+)

88 I'm not wiling to live in a socialist country to tilt at windmills on this issue. Especially since I'm not convinced it makes a difference anyway. Even in deep red states, you can't get a statewide abortion ban to pass.

I'm obviously no Trump fan, but I do think he's making the right noises on largely dropping it from national politics and moving on.

We have to close the gender gap if we ever want to actually win office.

Posted by: Blago at June 25, 2023 04:15 PM (GyG/g)

89 This was called the quickening.

No you idiot. The quickening is when the unborn baby has movement felt by the mother. Improve your reading comprehension as well as your choice of material. Orthodox refer to Psalms 139:13 and Jeremiah 1:5. God very clearly says He knows us before we are born.

Posted by: Moki at June 25, 2023 04:16 PM (JrN/x)

90 NOOD FOOD

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 25, 2023 04:17 PM (llON8)

91 I don't think abortion is going to be as big an issue in 24 as the left wants it to be.
Posted by: JackStraw
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We all said that to ourselves in 2022, and I think it was the biggest single factor why Republicans did poorly.

We also had some shit Senate candidates.

But when you hear someone say "its not gong to be that much of an issue" it usually means your opponent has hit pay dirt.

Posted by: Blago at June 25, 2023 04:20 PM (GyG/g)

92 She gave me a “D” in her class for being a loud mouth honky.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Hilarious if it actually said that on the report card.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 25, 2023 04:23 PM (ga8qR)

93 Every national candidate will be forced to say yea or nay to baby murder
And
No room in the GOP for RINOs like Charlie who want baby murder allowed in any state 51% blue.

Posted by: Paul at June 25, 2023 04:29 PM (SGZy2)

94 >>We all said that to ourselves in 2022, and I think it was the biggest single factor why Republicans did poorly.

We did poorly because the left cheated. You seem to be the only person who doesn't know this.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 25, 2023 04:37 PM (ZLI7S)

95 Like climate change the issue and position on abortion is very much age related.
In the under 30 only 11% think it should always or almost always be illegal.
It is only when you get to 65* yo that the for and against become near equal percentages
Very few females that old feel that an abortion might be needed in their future
Most men that age are having ED issues (66%) so are pretty much over worrying about having a fetus from their sperm

Posted by: Paul at June 25, 2023 04:49 PM (MdLwq)

96 Best leave to a state-by-state determination. States will get themselves labeled as moral or immoral, and people can live in the ones they choose. Anything that pushes the indecent people into Blue states and gets them out of Red ones. The more we can segregate the nation the better, because it pushes us closer to confrontation before the Left has a chance to marshal their forces and weakens ours with a thousand cuts and insults.

This is just like us keeping our noses out of the business of other nations. Does Zimbabwe have abortion? I don't know and I don't care. Does California have abortion? I think I know and I don't care. Because I would never consider living there again. People have a right to go to hell under their own power.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at June 25, 2023 04:54 PM (96wFa)

97 Loserthink.

"Let us capitalize on our victory at Normandy by laying off the throttle."

Hell with that. On to Berlin.

Posted by: The Fool at June 25, 2023 05:11 PM (qFifD)

98 Nothing like being instructed on my religion by an ignorant atheist.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 25, 2023 06:03 PM (PY/t0)

99 Even in deep red states, you can't get a statewide abortion ban to pass.

Elective abortions are illegal in Alabama.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 25, 2023 06:05 PM (PY/t0)

100 A brief search reveals that 12 states ban elective abortions entirely.

https://bityl.co/JTOa

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 25, 2023 06:22 PM (PY/t0)

101 25 states appear to be entirely pagan.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 25, 2023 06:25 PM (PY/t0)

102 There will always be those on the right that feign moral outrage over this issue who'll continue to throw sand in the gears. It's an overwrought issue that needs to quit being front and center at every debate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2023 03:29 PM (Q4IgG)

The issue of abortion is deeper than "feigned moral outrage." Is a pre-born baby a human person or not?

Killing an innocent person is wrong.
Abortion entails the killing of an innocent person.
Therefore, abortion is wrong.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 25, 2023 07:54 PM (pJWtt)

103 Why were the midterms were such a debacle? The abortion ruling?? No. A huge number of Trump supporters sat it out. Just like we said we would after the GOP stabbed America in the back after the election steal. Trump is the only candidate who has and will take on the most powerful organization in human history - the federal government. Trump 2024.

Posted by: MikhailN at June 25, 2023 08:15 PM (/fMef)

104 Democrats:
Told public hated Obamacare, passed it anyway.
Suffered massive losses in one election.
Regained them and Obamacare is still here.

Republicans:
Supreme Court finally grants a victory the base has been begging for for decades.
Let Dems lie about it with no pushback.
Election gets stolen.
Decide to surrender on everything and hide in a corner.

Posted by: Karen at June 25, 2023 10:31 PM (45rcK)

105 How about actually putting abortion on the national stage inthe first place? Because all I hear is democrats confidently squealing about fertilized eggs while supporting hacking apart newborns with one toe in the womb.

Posted by: Karen at June 25, 2023 10:35 PM (45rcK)

106 There is a perfect historical precedent to what is going on now. After the Civil War was over, Democrats in the south abused freedmen; disarming them, whipping them, and murdering them.

The 14th Amendment was passed by the Republican Party to address this issue... it specifically said that states could not "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"... and moreover, it specifically allowed the Federal government to intervene in these cases: "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." This is how President Grant was able to suppress the KKK.

It is legal to kill children in the womb in most of the USA; until birth in several states. This is a violation of the 14th Amendment, as well as being unbearably evil. It is appropriate to use the 14th Amendment to protect children from being killed when the states refuse to stop it.

Those of you who wish to allow these legal killings to continue should consider that you are a similar position to persons who opposed anti-lynching legislation, because they were afraid of losing votes from those who wanted to kill black people.

Posted by: 4324443 at June 26, 2023 08:30 PM (ZxCfu)

107 If you are in doubt about the humanity of a fetus, I recommend that you watch this video of a living, healthy nine week old fetus. It is eye opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q30ao8phNY

I don't think people like this should be killed.

Do you?

Posted by: 4324443 at June 26, 2023 08:33 PM (ZxCfu)

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