Saturday Evening Movie Post [moviegique]: Machine Gun Preacher

I'm still at my mother's while she's recuperating, but The Boy and I did manage to sneak out to see a couple of movies. Not ones I would recommend, generally, however.

The Boogeyman: Here's a movie which is quite good in many of its particulars. The cinematography is really good, the lead actress (Sophie Thatcher) threads the needle between "emo goth teen" and "brave heroine" very deftly, and the creature is serviceable. But it's not even slightly scary and the story (from the MIND of STEPHEN KING) is too inconsistent in its treatment of the monster to allow the audience to get invested.

The Night of the Twelfth: This critically-praised French crime-drama/thriller/suspense noir has only one major problem: It isn't a crime-drama/thriller/suspense noir, it's a slice-of-life movie about cops that happens to be centered around a grisly crime. As a slice-of-life movie, following the variously dysfunctional cops and the very dysfunctional system they're in, it's fine. If you go in expecting a hard-driving, stylish, adrenaline-fueled thrill ride and a satisfying mysteyr, you're gonna be bored and disappointed. (We spotted its true nature early on so we were okay with it.)

That out of the way, I thought we'd revisit one of my favorite movies of the milleinium: Machine Gun Preacher. This is from 2011, and the genesis of the "Jesus Split" as I came to call it.

I don’t have much use for the movie sites’ ratings any more. IMDB is still the best, I guess, but it’s not good. Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic are both unreliable. But the latter two have an interesting feature where they split the critics’ opinions from the masses’. So while the newest Marc Forster (Kite Runner, Finding Neverland, Stranger Than Fiction) film looked sort of dubious from the (spoiler-ridden) trailers, and had an awful rating on IMDB (5.7 out of 10), I noticed that on Tomatoes the critics rated it a savage 25% while audiences gave it a 75%.

This warranted a look.

Sure enough, the movie has elements you could predict would turn off the hordes of movie critics, and a share of the audience with similar mindsets.

I think it’s the best film of 2011 to date.

This movie is an epic spiritual journey (told entirely without sitars or psychedelic imagery) . It is the true, astounding story of a very bad man named Sam Childers who finds Jesus and becomes—well, a crusader, really. Almost literally. In Uganda and the Sudan. So let me recount the five strikes that would virtually guarantee this movie bad reviews:

A completely sincere representation of evangelical Christianity that converts a very bad man into a very good one. (Not a perfect one, to be sure.) This is only barely tempered by a few scenes of Christian hypocrisy, and the Christians shown in worship are prone to doing things that embarrass sophisticates, like hold their hands up skyward.

Muslims brutally killing defenseless Christians. (This happens a lot in real life but we’re not supposed to talk about it.)

The reformed Childers loves him some guns. A lack of guns is a serious problem for the Christian resistance. (This is generally true of people being slaughtered but again, we’re not supposed to talk about it.)

Africa is completely and totally screwed up, and there are no white people around to blame.

The priggish English chick who sniffs at Childers efforts probably echoes the feelings of your average sensitive movie critic—and the movie entertains but doesn’t exactly endorse her point-of-view.

Lots of other stuff I can’t talk about without spoilers.

It’s a little hard to talk about the movie in depth without spoilers, and this is a movie, though not rife with twists-and-turns, that pushes the envelope and earns its two-hour-plus length, so I’m going to keep it fairly abstract.

Although the Sudanese civil war is the backdrop for the movie—and I’m sure what Childers himself would most want the spotlight on—the heart-and-soul of the movie is that of a man obsessed. He’s found forgiveness in God, but he hungers for greater meaning, which he finds by constantly expanding his sense of responsibility.

As it must in this vale of tears, this brings him to confront an evil that is greater than he is, and in which confrontation brings out many of his old devils. He’s found God but can he keep Him in the face of horror after horror? It’s really this struggle that powers the movie on a Shakespearean level.

By the way: The horrors? They are truly horrible. Much like Childers’ own evils, they’re watered down for the movie—thank the Lord (or at least director Forster’s sense of restraint). You get a strong enough sense of them without wallowing in them. (True horrors like these remind me why I like the fantasy of the horror genre.)

From what I’ve heard, everything in the movie’s been dialed back a bit because audiences wouldn’t believe the truth. And I can see that. Indeed, the common critical response I’ve heard is that it’s too much for one movie.

I disagree. (Actually, less charitably, I think critics hated the movie for the abovementioned points and then made up rationalizations for that.) The movie actually has a laser-like focus on Childers, and that keeps it squarely in “epic” and out of “sprawlng”. If you’ve read this blog at all, you know how I am about movies that express self-indulgence through length, and I never felt that here. There were times when I couldn’t believe there was more, but it never felt gratuitous.

Spoiler: Michelle Monaghan is not unattractive.

Honestly, I can’t remember caring so much about a movie character—and it’s not because it’s a real person, because (if you’ve read this blog much) you know how I feel about “based on a true story” stuff, and I tend to assume that the movie is only barely based on the facts. (It’s gratifying to find out otherwise here. There’s a major narrative point that’s almost too neat to have actually happened but it wouldn’t be the most incredible thing of the film.)

It’s also an edge-of-your-seat movie, as Childers keeps taking greater and greater risks, and you can’t help this feeling that he’s going to end up dead—or worse, with his dreams crushed.

Amazing performance by Gerard Butler that should win him a nom, if not an Oscar, but will probably be ignored. Michelle Monaghan is both appealing and complex in her portrayal of the woman who saves Childers’ soul only to risk losing him over and over again. Michael Shannon, Kathy Baker, young Madeline Carroll, Soulemayne Sy Savane—you know, it’s weird to compare this to Cowboys vs. Aliens but there’s a similarity in that just about every character who got screen time established a distinct personality, a real depth of character.

The real Sam Childers

Combine that with heart-wrenching tragedy, stomach-churning brutality, soul-lifting inspiration, and a few (perhaps too few) moments of lightness, and you have yourself a picture worth watching.

This movie might challenge you, though, too. Not in the sort of intellectual, abstract ways that most people prefer to be challenged, mind you. Not in the typical avant-garde fashion of “challenging” norms by laughing at people who believe in them. Rather, it challenges in the real “What are you doing about it?” way that I can’t imagine a lot of people are comfortable thinking about.

And it does this without being preachy, either, which is an interesting feat.

The Boy and I were both very favorably impressed.

Still, I can’t recommend for everyone. There are lots of people who find expressions of faith offensive or in poor taste, and they won’t like this (or parts of it, anyway) one bit. Also, I couldn’t really bring The Flower to see it, both for Childers’ evil ways in the beginning, and the greater Evil of the Sudanese slaughter.

But if you can dare it, if you have that much of Childers’ spirit in you, you should see it.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:55 PM

Comments

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1 every day

Posted by: Ciampino - Cat's favorite color is PURRple at June 17, 2023 07:57 PM (qfLjt)

2 Well crap.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 07:57 PM (lpWi1)

3 Foist

Posted by: Ciampino -- Cat's favorite color is PURRple at June 17, 2023 07:58 PM (qfLjt)

4 That's better.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 07:59 PM (lpWi1)

5 Probably would be of my interest, but doubt I will see it in a theater

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2023 08:03 PM (xhxe8)

6 I think it’s the best film of 2011 to date.

Are we expecting more films of 2011?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2023 08:04 PM (nfrXX)

7 My brother left me "Machine Gun Preacher." I didn't know if it was any good. So I haven't watched it yet.

I will watch it soon.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2023 08:05 PM (vg8N1)

8 || Are we expecting more films of 2011?

I don't know about you, personally, in 2023, but in October 2011 when I wrote that I did, in fact, expect a few more movies to come out.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:07 PM (lpWi1)

9 I watched the 4K disk of "Wizard of Oz." It looks absolutely amazing.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 17, 2023 08:08 PM (CHHv1)

10 I'm going to give machine gun preacher a watch. Never heard of it before this.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2023 08:10 PM (q3gwH)

11 Where is that 'Sudan' movie shot? I grew up in that region so I have a geographical and scenery interest. Unfortunately 'Out Of Africa' didn't do it for me.

Posted by: Ciampino - Clint Eastwood's preschool is called " "Go Ahead and Make My Day Care Center" at June 17, 2023 08:11 PM (qfLjt)

12 >>>I think it’s the best film of 2011 to date.

I'm not quite sure of the best way to tell you this, so I'm just going to come out and say it. 2011 is over. There will be no more films from 2011.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 17, 2023 08:11 PM (klJTj)

13 The Turhan Bey "Sudan" from 1945?

That was filmed in New Mexico. And on the Universal lot.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:12 PM (lpWi1)

14 I don't see many movies as they are released so your reviews are timely!

I doubt I'll ever see this one; but, I agree with your assessment of critics vs. audience results.
I believe the audience and ignore the biased critics.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2023 08:13 PM (sei1f)

15 || There will be no more films from 2011.

It's always nice to know you're all reading at least SOME of the content.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:13 PM (lpWi1)

16 The funny thing about the critic/audience split for me is that very often I'll side with the critics. When you see a dozen movies in a month, you give outsized credit to things that surprise or are different in any way.

But on politics, religion, basic human decency...I'm going with the audience score.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:15 PM (lpWi1)

17 Machine Gun Preacher was a good movie but apparently Childers' exploits are heavily embellished to say the least.

Posted by: "Based on true events" the way Taco Bell meat is made with beef at June 17, 2023 08:15 PM (AJ2DX)

18 12 >>>I think it’s the best film of 2011 to date.

I'm not quite sure of the best way to tell you this, so I'm just going to come out and say it. 2011 is over. There will be no more films from 2011.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 17, 2023 08:11 PM (klJTj)
----
Are you sure? No shit, I can now 'unbate' my breath.

Posted by: Ciampino -- Clint Eastwood's preschool is called at June 17, 2023 08:15 PM (qfLjt)

19 Eh, the Deer Hunter wasn't filmed in Pennsylvania

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2023 08:16 PM (xhxe8)

20 Machine Gun Preacher vs Hobo With a Shotgun, who wins?

Posted by: davidt at June 17, 2023 08:16 PM (SYTee)

21 I was kind of hoping to see a review of Disney's The Elementals but I guess no one was interested enough to peer that deeply into the bomb crater.

Disney

*snort*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 08:18 PM (s12c9)

22 Hollywood has had a difficult time finding a vehicle to launch Gerard Butler.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:18 PM (B/7uq)

23 Evening.

Posted by: Robert at June 17, 2023 08:20 PM (1Yy3c)

24 22 Hollywood has had a difficult time finding a vehicle to launch Gerard Butler.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:18 PM (B/7uq)

https://youtu.be/jUmQQrg3xSM

Posted by: Robert at June 17, 2023 08:22 PM (1Yy3c)

25 I did my annual rewatch of HBO's Chernobyl. Now I'm watching a series on Netflix about Fukushima. They're weirdly similar.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:22 PM (B/7uq)

26 Hollywood has had a difficult time finding a vehicle to launch Gerard Butler.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:18 PM (B/7uq)

——————-

He was en fuego in Reign of Fire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 08:24 PM (u73oe)

27 yes childers is a flawed man, but who could survive such a hellish landscape,

they first launched him in that dracula film that wes craven disowned, then he went to action,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:25 PM (PXvVL)

28 He was en fuego in Reign of Fire.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

I know, right? Then he was Leonidas . Then a string of misfires. But seriously I like Machine Gun Preacher. It seemed a bit outside the Hollywood system.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:25 PM (B/7uq)

29 Yeah, Butler really sucked in Dracula 2000.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 08:26 PM (u73oe)

30 yes i'm sure its imbellished, but what story isn't now,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:26 PM (PXvVL)

31 Fukushima. They're weirdly similar.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:22 PM (B/7uq)

Do they have footage of Shep Smith in hysterics over the nuclear cloud of doom headed towards Hawaii and the mainland?

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 17, 2023 08:26 PM (/6GbT)

32 When you see a dozen movies in a month

Yikes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 17, 2023 08:27 PM (Xrfse)

33 As I always say, the accuracy of the movie doesn't matter. Richard III is ridiculous propaganda that genuinely influences historians to this day, but that just means historians are gullible, not that Shakespeare wasn't great.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:27 PM (lpWi1)

34 its wasn't faithful to the oevre, but it was campy fun, there was also this meme that dracula was actually judas iscariot, hence his reaction to silver

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:28 PM (PXvVL)

35 I'm a patsy!

Posted by: Richard III at June 17, 2023 08:28 PM (s12c9)

36 Ok, see, Butler was really set on fire by the dragon and he played Dracula who was a blood sucker so... I’ll see myself out.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 08:29 PM (u73oe)

37 they ripped off the lestat template for the new orleans setting,

yes I thought 300 was over the top until I read herodotus,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:29 PM (PXvVL)

38 yes i'm sure its imbellished, but what story isn't now,
Posted by: no 6

The Brits made a movie about the breaking of the sound barrier at the end of WWII. The pilot inexplicably pulled the stick in the opposite direction to survive and break the barrier. Yeager saw the flick and was like "WTF?" It's mentioned in the Right Stuff.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:29 PM (B/7uq)

39 Interesting. The last film mentioned is one I have a little bit of indirect experience with.

We had a guy at our church in my former home town doing some fund raising so he could train men to defend their villages against the brutes who liked nothing better than to wipe out entire villages.

He also funded spies who went into enemy camps and send back information. (I believe he operated in Sub Sahara Africa. I can't find the organization, unfortunately.)

Anyway, his credo to the men he was teaching to fight was: These are your women and children, You need to defend them even at the cost of your own life. And, from what I understand, more than a few of these men did give up their lives in the process.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at June 17, 2023 08:29 PM (2YtOq)

40 19 Eh, the Deer Hunter wasn't filmed in Pennsylvania
Posted by: Skip

True. They used a town in WV to mimic a town in West PA. The indoor steel mill shots were done in a Cleveland mill. One of the secondary characters in the movie was an actual steel mill worker from that mill in Cleveland. The hunting scenes were in Washington State (Olympia NP I think). That was the odd one for me. You're not going to find mountains like that anywhere on the east coast.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at June 17, 2023 08:30 PM (fWTJL)

41 there are few big old fashioned action stars, yes he was a parody of himself in earthstorm, but so was everyone involved, andy garcia, can I ask you a question,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:31 PM (PXvVL)

42 Im probably the only person that thought he was good in "The Phantom of the Opera". I know he took voice and singing lessons for the movie. Emmy Rossum was wonderful but I thought he held his own in the movie.

Posted by: Megthered at June 17, 2023 08:31 PM (L5mG5)

43 Hollywood has had a difficult time finding a vehicle to launch Gerard Butler.
Posted by: Blutarski
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Wait...you mean you weren't moved by his singing in 'Phantom of the Opera'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc was essentially compelled to watch it at June 17, 2023 08:31 PM (Pnbfv)

44 The wedding at the beginning of The Deer Hunter I think was shot in a Russian Orthodox church in Western PA somewhere but I'm not sure.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at June 17, 2023 08:34 PM (fWTJL)

45 Hmm. 42 & 43

Meg - You're a generous person.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc was essentially compelled to watch it at June 17, 2023 08:34 PM (Pnbfv)

46
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 17, 2023 08:34 PM (ENBF0)

47 I watched the Deer Hunter again recently. Thought it was awful.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 08:35 PM (u73oe)

48 I think Gerard does a decent Yank accent. Some Brits don't and I can't accept them in their roles. The recent movie Midway comes to mind.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:36 PM (B/7uq)

49 Check out Gerard Butler in a little Scottish movie, "Dear Frankie". 2004 release.

Posted by: Tuna at June 17, 2023 08:37 PM (gLRfa)

50 I watched the Deer Hunter again recently. Thought it was awful.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

I thought it was awful back in what? 1978?. However I think it introduced me to Christopher Walken.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:37 PM (B/7uq)

51 Gerard Depardieu > Gerard Butler

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 08:37 PM (s12c9)

52 I loved the play and had my doubts about the movie. I was willing to go into it with an open mind but he did better than I thought he would. I was in the minority when we saw it.

Posted by: Megthered at June 17, 2023 08:38 PM (L5mG5)

53 he actually debuted in the anderson tapes with connery some seven years earlier

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:38 PM (PXvVL)

54 At the end of Deer Hunter:

Say, whatever happened to old whasisname?

Oh, he’s a professional Russian roulette player now.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 08:39 PM (u73oe)

55 Gerard Depardieu

Gesundheit!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 17, 2023 08:39 PM (Xrfse)

56 Ranking my Humphrey Bogart movies

1. Casablanca
2. Key Largo
3. Sahara
4. Caine Mutiny
5. African Queen
6. Maltese Falcon
7. Treasure of Sierra Madre
8. To Have and Have Not
9. The Harder They Fall
10. Thd Big Sleep

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:39 PM (WxkE9)

57 That would be OlymPIC National Park

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 17, 2023 08:40 PM (OqSlY)

58 Posted by: polynikes

That's a great list. I like The Harder They Fall a bit more, but, wow. Great list.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:41 PM (B/7uq)

59 I remember seeing the Deer Hunter in a theater while in the Air Force with another Pa guy from Johnstown. We thought it was bad.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2023 08:41 PM (xhxe8)

60 I watched the Deer Hunter again recently. Thought it was awful.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

I thought it was awful back in what? 1978?. However I think it introduced me to Christopher Walken.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:37 PM (B/7uq)

I don't disagree but it does have one of my top ten movie scenes of all time.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:41 PM (WxkE9)

61 Big Sleep at ten?!

BOLD!

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:41 PM (lpWi1)

62 I don't disagree but it does have one of my top ten movie scenes of all time.

Posted by: polynikes

Dish, polynikes. Which scene?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:42 PM (B/7uq)

63 That's a great list. I like The Harder They Fall a bit more, but, wow. Great list.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:41 PM (B/7uq)

You probably know that was his last movie. Great way to wrap up a career except for the dying part.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:42 PM (WxkE9)

64 The movie Timeline has a young Gerard Butler. The movie is based upon a Michael Crichton book.

Posted by: Beartooth at June 17, 2023 08:43 PM (8vzCZ)

65 Dish, polynikes. Which scene?
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:42 PM (B/7uq)

The Russian Roulette scene when they escaped.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:43 PM (WxkE9)

66 I have introduced so many young people to Casablanca, since my children have seen it since they were babies. They are so resistant at first when I tell them its black and white. They don't seem to be able to understand black and white movies. As soon as they watch Casablanca, they want to watch more early movies.

Posted by: Megthered at June 17, 2023 08:44 PM (L5mG5)

67 the bureau and the irs went after childers, (in 2013-4)that tells you he was doing a good job

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:45 PM (PXvVL)

68 As soon as they watch Casablanca, they want to watch more early movies.
Posted by: Megthered

I recorded Casablanca on my Hulu account and a Li'l Blutarski was home visiting and I suggested we watch it. She said at the end "That's a really good movie!"

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:46 PM (B/7uq)

69 Why, Gerard Butler and Sam Childers are practically twins!

Butler makes everything a little better than it ought to be.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 08:47 PM (80HNz)

70 well it is a masterpiece, that lives up to the legend,

michael walsh attempted a sequel and origin story, of sorts that wasn't terrible, (even though it was widely panned then)

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:47 PM (PXvVL)

71 looks more like peter scarsgaard with less weasel to him,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:47 PM (PXvVL)

72 My other top scenes are from :

Training Day
The Patriot
Scarface
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood ( recent entry into top five)

It's weird that all those movies were just okay to me but they all had one scene i thought were great.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:48 PM (WxkE9)

73 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood ( recent entry into top five)
Posted by: polynikes

The killin' hippies scene?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:50 PM (B/7uq)

74 which scenes from those,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:50 PM (PXvVL)

75 Can you imagine Casablanca as written by the Lucasfilm Story Group?

I can.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 08:50 PM (s12c9)

76 The killin' hippies scene?
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:50 PM (B/7uq

Nope. The scene when Pitt visited the ranch. Tarantino knocked it out of the park with establishing tension.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:52 PM (WxkE9)

77 yes, of course the audience knows whats going, but the feeling of dread is still very well done,

Posted by: no 6 at June 17, 2023 08:53 PM (PXvVL)

78 Training Day- when Ethan Hawke left by Denzel to be killed by the gang bangers. Again the tension is why I liked it

The Patriot- when Gibson took his two young sons with him to rescue their older brother.

Scarface - The Shower torture scene

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:55 PM (WxkE9)

79 || Can you imagine Casablanca as written by the Lucasfilm Story Group?

I can.||

I don't like Nazis. They're coarse and rough and irritating and they're everywhere.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:55 PM (lpWi1)

80 The abduction of children in Africa by militias is only one o f the thousands of problems there. A Muslim militia attacked a village in Uganda the other day and massacred at least 40.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 08:56 PM (WSdL3)

81 Little surprised Casablanca hasn't been redone, brought up on this thread a few weeks ago saw a article like 6 old movies are currently being remade, a few were only from 90s

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2023 08:56 PM (xhxe8)

82 Can you imagine Casablanca as written by the Lucasfilm Story Group?

So, Bogart in a corner crying while Phoebe Waller-Bridges does everything?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2023 08:58 PM (X4R3E)

83 There was an attempt to make a TV series out of Casablanca in the '80s.

An attempt to make a sequel has been in pre-production for the past decade.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (lpWi1)

84 The very end of Battleground is a very short scene but it was absolutely perfect .

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (WxkE9)

85 Should have been in bed a hour ago
Hope everyone has a great evening

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (xhxe8)

86 Walken not only had the memorable scene in The Deer Hunter, he also had the watch scene in Pulp Fiction , and of course the scene with Hopper in True Romance.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (WSdL3)

87 Night, Skip!

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (lpWi1)

88 As I always say, the accuracy of the movie doesn't matter. Richard III is ridiculous propaganda that genuinely influences historians to this day, but that just means historians are gullible, not that Shakespeare wasn't great.
Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 08:27 PM (lpWi1)

I think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest heavily influenced thinking about mental hospitals for one. That one was pure fiction.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (xhaym)

89 So, Bogart in a corner crying while Phoebe Waller-Bridges does everything?

-----------

Kills Nazis, wins big at roulette, flies the plane out Casablanca in a hale of gunfire. Makes Victor Laszlo into a mewling quim.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (s12c9)

90 || Walken not only had the memorable scene in The Deer Hunter, he also had the watch scene in Pulp Fiction , and of course the scene with Hopper in True Romance. ||

And rumor has it he played a big role on the boat with Natalie Wood...

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:00 PM (lpWi1)

91 The abduction of children in Africa by militias is only one o f the thousands of problems there. A Muslim militia attacked a village in Uganda the other day and massacred at least 40.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 08:56 PM (WSdL3)

That's what they do. No one cares.

Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:00 PM (WRAWm)

92 Scarface - The Shower torture scene

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:55 PM (WxkE9)

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Here’s what bothers me about that scene. They’ve got their hands tied up to the shower rod. He cuts off the guy’s arm. Then says “now the leg.” How’s the guy still upright?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:01 PM (u73oe)

93 ||I think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest heavily influenced thinking about mental hospitals for one. That one was pure fiction.||

Well, not PURE fiction.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:01 PM (lpWi1)

94 That's what they do. No one cares.
Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:00 PM (WRAWm)

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See, e.g., Chicago.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 09:01 PM (s12c9)

95 @90moviegique, some film of that scene would answer a lot of questions

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 09:02 PM (WSdL3)

96 Walken did some brilliant stuff on SNL

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:02 PM (geLO8)

97 I think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest heavily influenced thinking about mental hospitals for one. That one was pure fiction.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 08:59 PM (xhaym

Speaking of that I watched A Child is Waiting a few days ago. Judy Garland and Burt Lancaster.

It was a hard watch.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:02 PM (WxkE9)

98 I listened to The Drinker and Chris Gore discuss the new Indiana Jones movie. Chris said the first half, with a de-aged Harrison Ford, felt like a legit Indie movie. The second half, with the focus on charisma-free Waller-Bridge, was lifeless.

Hollywood tries to force "stars" on us, but the audience will almost always prevail.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:04 PM (80HNz)

99 Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:01 PM (u73oe)

Heh. I'll have to watch again .

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:04 PM (WxkE9)

100 Well, dang. Another movie I need to go find and watch.

Posted by: GWB at June 17, 2023 09:04 PM (vQrdQ)

101 @92 handcuffing anyone to a shower curtain rod is stupid. A good hard yank will take it out of the tile.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 09:05 PM (WSdL3)

102 Walken did some brilliant stuff on SNL
Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:02 PM (geLO

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I won't deny that this movie thread could use...MORE COWBELL!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2023 09:05 PM (BpYfr)

103 92 handcuffing anyone to a shower curtain rod is stupid. A good hard yank will take it out of the tile.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 09:05 PM (WSdL3)

Hotel building codes😀

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:06 PM (WxkE9)

104 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
Drama or comedy? An eternal debate.

Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:06 PM (WRAWm)

105 shower rod. He cuts off the guy’s arm. Then says “now the leg.” How’s the guy still upright?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:01 PM (u73oe)

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It CAN be done.

*sniff*

Posted by: Michelle Fields at June 17, 2023 09:06 PM (s12c9)

106 101 @92 handcuffing anyone to a shower curtain rod is stupid. A good hard yank will take it out of the tile.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 09:05 PM (WSdL3)
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So did you end up cuffing him to the radiator?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:06 PM (80HNz)

107 Hollywood tries to force "stars" on us, but the audience will almost always prevail.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

TCM ran How the West was Won today. It really seemed like Hollywood was trying to foist George Peppard on us. I think America said "No!"

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:07 PM (B/7uq)

108 It really seemed like Hollywood was trying to foist George Peppard on us. I think America said "No!"
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:07 PM (B/7uq)

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So the plan didn’t come together?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:08 PM (u73oe)

109 86:and of course the scene with Hopper in True Romance.
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Which is as close to perfection for a movie scene, ever.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at June 17, 2023 09:09 PM (LQjWA)

110 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
Drama or comedy? An eternal debate.
Posted by: JmT

I was like 15 when it came out and me and my smutty friends thought it was HILARIOUS! I watched it recently and it's still pretty funny.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:09 PM (B/7uq)

111
It really seemed like Hollywood was trying to foist George Peppard on us. I think America said "No!"
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly

Well, there was The Carpetbaggers and The A Team.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2023 09:10 PM (63Dwl)

112 Stars are gone. Cruise maybe the last. Last female I guess Johansson, uh, maybe?

Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (WRAWm)

113 Well, there was The Carpetbaggers and The A Team.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

And Banacek. Did I spell that right?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (B/7uq)

114 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
Drama or comedy? An eternal debate.
Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:06 PM (WRAWm)

Propaganda. Kesey worked as an attendant in a mental hospital back when they tried to do something, and he thought there were abuses, and wanted to be Upton Sinclair, and like Sinclair he wrote about the bad things as they were being fixed.
Well, and now they are fixed gooder and mental hospitals are profoundly dangerous places for the staff and patients, and so many people who would benefit from care are left to self medicate and live in poverty and squalor on the streets where they victimize people who just want to live their lives.

I don't like Kesey and I am sorry his kid died in a bus crash and he died of cancer.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (xhaym)

115 And breakfast at Tiffany's. And The Blue Max (was that Peppard?)

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (80HNz)

116 What is your most watched movie?

I think Uncle Buck is mine followed by Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural. Outlaw Josie Wales is in there somewhere along with Overboard .

I can't turn them off when I come across them on TV. And they show them a lot.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (WxkE9)

117 The Queens Gambit as told by the Lucasfilm Story Group

1. Little orphan girl stumbles across orphanage janitor playing chess solo in the basement. Asks to join game. Kicks his ass.

2. Little orphan girl enters high school chess tournament. Plays 10 games at once. Kicks 10 asses.

3. Orphan girl falls in with a group of highly skilled tournament chess players. Kicks all their asses.

4. Orphan girl finally gets match against the world champion Soviet chess grandmaster. Kicks his ass.

5. Merchandise sales tank.

THE END

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 09:12 PM (s12c9)

118
Speaking of that I watched A Child is Waiting a few days ago. Judy Garland and Burt Lancaster.

It was a hard watch.
Posted by: polynikes

I saw that. Once.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2023 09:12 PM (63Dwl)

119

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:12 PM (80HNz)

120 Italicans have invaded...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (BpYfr)

121 de-italic?

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (lpWi1)

122 Did I do that? How??

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (80HNz)

123 Kindltot to the barrel.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (u73oe)

124 Nope. The scene when Pitt visited the ranch. Tarantino knocked it out of the park with establishing tension.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 08:52 PM (WxkE9)

Cliff is cautiously making his way to George's bedroom while Squeaky is watching ('60s)TV. The music from the TV show she's watching is the tension building music you heard on TV a gazillion times back then, and it's building tension in this movie scene.

One of the slickest little things I've ever seen in a movie.

Posted by: davidt at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (SYTee)

125 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
Drama or comedy? An eternal debate.
Posted by: JmT

I was like 15 when it came out and me and my smutty friends thought it was HILARIOUS! I watched it recently and it's still pretty funny.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:09 PM (B/7uq)

The much funnier insane asylum movie was The Dream Team with Michael Keaton.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (WxkE9)

126 Did I do that? How??
Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (80HNz)
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Since your message was empty, I assumed it was deliberae.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:14 PM (lpWi1)

127 Polynikes --

That's a NICE Bogart list. Depending on one's taste/mood, maybe the order could be quibbled with, but not the choices. Me, I'd extend it to 12 to include In a Lonely Place and The Desperate Hours.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 17, 2023 09:14 PM (a/4+U)

128 One of the slickest little things I've ever seen in a movie.
Posted by: davidt at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (SYTee

Yes good catch.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:15 PM (WxkE9)

129 One of the slickest little things I've ever seen in a movie.
Posted by: davidt

I watched it two weeks ago and I caught that. It worked. I also liked the scene where Cliff threw Bruce Lee into the automobile.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:15 PM (B/7uq)

130 Christopher Walken
"The Trivial Psychic" SNL
https://youtu.be/h-xz0z1gU1M

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:15 PM (geLO8)

131 Am I still banned?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 17, 2023 09:17 PM (EnT0Y)

132 It was me . . . Sorry,

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:17 PM (xhaym)

133 Squeaky's in prison and I'm in misery
Squeaky's in prison and I'm in misery
That little red riding hood she really does it to me

Charlie can't help her, he's in prison too
Charlie can't help, he's in prison
Starin' down the wall, practicing his voodoo

Patty's in prison - you know that I think she might get out
Yeah, Patty's in prison - she just might get out
Patty's got a daddy, and daddy's got a lot of clout

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:17 PM (lpWi1)

134 Hmmmmm - my normal access path (no VPN) is banned.

What a revolting development!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 17, 2023 09:18 PM (EnT0Y)

135 Am I still banned?
Posted by: Tonypete at June 17, 2023 09:17 PM (EnT0Y)

Not from the looks of it.

Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:21 PM (WRAWm)

136 >It was me . . . Sorry,

Posted by: Kindltot

You know what you have to do.

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:22 PM (geLO8)

137 > Am I still banned?

Posted by: Tonypete

yeah- can't see your comment

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:22 PM (geLO8)

138 On all the Daniel Penny threads I've done the aos thing and went OT and recommended the 1967 movie The Incident. I took my own advice and watched it again recently. The more things change....

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:23 PM (WxkE9)

139 Did I do that? How??
Posted by: All Hail Eris

No, it was Kindltot's post just before yours. His "posted by" line has two start-italics and one end-italics html command, somehow. So maybe it was Pixy messing with him?

Hopefully this works and doesn't embarrel me, too. The HTML looks like this:

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (xhaym)

Posted by: mikeski at June 17, 2023 09:23 PM (DgGvY)

140 Christopher Walken as the emperor in Dune 2 is going to be interesting.

The Spice Must Flow.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 17, 2023 09:24 PM (odBp6)

141 I watched it two weeks ago and I caught that. It worked. I also liked the scene where Cliff threw Bruce Lee into the automobile.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 09:15 PM (B/7uq)

Tarantino took a lot of flak for that sequence, how it depicted Lee. What some didn't seem to realize was that it wasn't intended to be an accurate depiction of Lee. It was Cliff's version of the event, his recollection.

Posted by: davidt at June 17, 2023 09:24 PM (SYTee)

142 The best film of 2011 was The Artist.

It's been downhill ever since.

Although last year was arguably the best year for movies since 2011.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:24 PM (up/3i)

143 Machine Gun Preacher wouldn't work in North America. Biker dude would be pimping latinas to Beltway politicians for arms and trading white girls to the cartels for contraband.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 17, 2023 09:26 PM (KVGVf)

144 Didn't work, but didn't embarrel me. Maybe this?

Posted by: <i><i>Kindltot</i> at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (xhaym)

Posted by: mikeski at June 17, 2023 09:26 PM (DgGvY)

145 Yeah, that.

Posted by: mikeski at June 17, 2023 09:26 PM (DgGvY)

146 No, it was Kindltot's post just before yours. His "posted by" line has two start-italics and one end-italics html command, somehow. So maybe it was Pixy messing with him?

Hopefully this works and doesn't embarrel me, too. The HTML looks like this:

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:11 PM (xhaym)

Posted by: mikeski at June 17, 2023 09:23 PM (DgGvY)

I accidentally posted a comment into the name field with italics and did it again when I didn't see it in the comment field, and then realized what I did wrong and screwed up undoing it.
I am eating while typing so I was distracted.

Mea culpa

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:27 PM (xhaym)

147 Excuses, excuses, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah...

Posted by: The Barrel at June 17, 2023 09:28 PM (SYTee)

148 The 119 in Eris' comment is still italics, so the fix happened after that.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 17, 2023 09:29 PM (klJTj)

149 "And now I'm standing next to the president again next to a collapsed bridge here," he added. "He is here to commit to work with the governor and the [delegation] to make sure that we get this fixed quick, fast, as well, too. This is a president that is committed to infructure [sic], yeah, and then on top of that the jewel kind of a law of the infraction [sic]."

who said it?

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:29 PM (geLO8)

150 Peter Boyle

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2023 09:30 PM (63Dwl)

151 98: Mr. Gore said the so-called Indiana Jones 5 was made for an audience of one: Kathleen Kennedy. Which I can see as making total sense.

But there are ONLY 3 Indiana Jones movies. And a fourth there shall never be.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 17, 2023 09:30 PM (odBp6)

152 Movie-related, and just seen on the Twats:

"Starting with the March 2024 awards, movies will not be considered for a Best Picture nomination unless they feature a lead or significant supporting character from an "underrepresented racial or ethnic group," have a main storyline that focuses on an underrepresented group, or at least 30% of the cast comes from two or more underrepresented groups (women, ethnic minorities, LGBTQ, or the disabled".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2023 09:31 PM (X4R3E)

153 Quato.

Posted by: davidt at June 17, 2023 09:31 PM (SYTee)

154 Cliff is cautiously making his way to George's bedroom while Squeaky is watching ('60s)TV. The music from the TV show she's watching is the tension building music you heard on TV a gazillion times back then, and it's building tension in this movie scene.

One of the slickest little things I've ever seen in a movie.
Posted by: davidt at June 17, 2023 09:13 PM (SYTee)
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Tarantino has long had great ear for background music in his movies.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at June 17, 2023 09:32 PM (2YtOq)

155 152: tried, and failed miserably, at the BAFTAs.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 17, 2023 09:33 PM (odBp6)

156 I made a pot pie out of the remains of some ribs I cooked. Cheap beef spare ribs, the brine from a jar of cowboy candy pickled eggs, dry mustard, molasses, rosemary and sage, basil and pepper. Cooked with potatoes, onions and carrots in a dutch oven over the firepit in my back yard.

So I was distracted.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:33 PM (xhaym)

157 Bruce Lee was 5'5" or 5'6" and probably 140lbs soaking wet.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:34 PM (WxkE9)

158 98: Mr. Gore said the so-called Indiana Jones 5 was made for an audience of one: Kathleen Kennedy. Which I can see as making total sense.

But there are ONLY 3 Indiana Jones movies. And a fourth there shall never be.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 17, 2023 09:30 PM (odBp6)
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I believe it was also implied, if not outright stated, that most of Lucasfilm product lately was just vanity projects for Kathleen Kennedy. In other words, she's the SOLE audience for Disney Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Every other viewer is irrelevant.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2023 09:34 PM (BpYfr)

159 Heh. Dutch oven.

Heh.

Posted by: Beavis at June 17, 2023 09:34 PM (s12c9)

160 By the way, according to an interview I saw with Tarantino, Lee didn't respect stunt men and wasn't above "tagging" them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at June 17, 2023 09:34 PM (2YtOq)

161 Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2023 09:31 PM (X4R3E)

Did that come from the Academy?

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:35 PM (WxkE9)

162 Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2023 09:31 PM (X4R3E)
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Which is why we're seeing such a rich tapestry of diverse "representation", even in historical dramas set in Europe in the Middle Ages.

I bet the movie makers won't even get funding without ticking off all the boxes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:35 PM (80HNz)

163 I made a pot pie out of the remains of some ribs I cooked. Cheap beef spare ribs, the brine from a jar of cowboy candy pickled eggs, dry mustard, molasses, rosemary and sage, basil and pepper. Cooked with potatoes, onions and carrots in a dutch oven over the firepit in my back yard.

So I was distracted.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:33 PM (xhaym)

Did you use free-range pot? The greenhouse bred stuff tends to be stringy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2023 09:36 PM (IhF0e)

164 I bet the movie makers won't even get funding without ticking off all the boxes.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:35 PM (80HNz)

Return of the five million dollar picture.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:36 PM (xhaym)

165 Which is why we're seeing such a rich tapestry of diverse "representation", even in historical dramas set in Europe in the Middle Ages.

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Black Anne Boleyn did it for me.

Who knew that an African America family of nobles had a castle in Tudor England?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (s12c9)

166 80 The abduction of children in 80 The abduction of children in Africa by militias is only one of the thousands of problems there.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 08:56 PM (WSdL3)

A fiction film about this is Beasts of No Nation. I liked it overall. Warning - It is brutal.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1365050/

Posted by: Gref at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

167 Last night, Barbarella was on TCM. I watched the opening credits, where Jane Fonda as the title character strips in zero gravity, but no further. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (BHrzb)

168 Just watched 65 then Extraction 2
Both are great father's day flicks

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 17, 2023 09:39 PM (vHIgi)

169 The abduction of children in 80 The abduction of children in Africa by militias is only one of the thousands of problems there.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2023 08:56 PM (WSdL3)

A fiction film about this is Beasts of No Nation. I liked it overall. Warning - It is brutal.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1365050/
Posted by: Gref at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

Blood Diamond also showed the atrocities.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:39 PM (WxkE9)

170 >>>I bet the movie makers won't even get funding without ticking off all the boxes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris

>I'm holding my breath for the release of "Robin Hood: Transmen in Tights"

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 17, 2023 09:39 PM (KVGVf)

171 Pete--

I think it just means you value your time.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:40 PM (lpWi1)

172 Last night, Barbarella was on TCM. I watched the opening credits, where Jane Fonda as the title character strips in zero gravity, but no further. Does that make me a bad person?
Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (BHrzb)

It's the best film of her career, and she had not yet become a traitor when it was made. So watch her talents (of the time) with no compunctions.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2023 09:40 PM (IhF0e)

173 Machine Gun Preacher is free on Amazon Prime ... I'll watch it later (and sadly support the Amazon Corporate terrorist regime)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2023 09:40 PM (Cus5s)

174 96 Walken did some brilliant stuff on SNL

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:02 PM (geLO

"The Continental" skits are really funny.

Posted by: javems at June 17, 2023 09:40 PM (AmoqO)

175 >I'm holding my breath for the release of "Robin Hood: Transmen in Tights"
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 17, 2023 09:39 PM (KVGVf)

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We carry "special" tights. Call us!

Posted by: Target at June 17, 2023 09:40 PM (s12c9)

176 165: yeah, but let’s try casting Whitey to play roles like Shaka Zulu, Jomo Kenyatta, Nelson Mandela or Mansa Musa. (Cue the riots.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 17, 2023 09:42 PM (odBp6)

177
Last night, Barbarella was on TCM. I watched the opening credits, where Jane Fonda as the title character strips in zero gravity, but no further. Does that make me a bad person?
Posted by: Pete in Texas

I've never been able to watch it all the way through. I've tried three times I think.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2023 09:42 PM (63Dwl)

178 Did you use free-range pot? The greenhouse bred stuff tends to be stringy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2023 09:36 PM (IhF0e)

My half brother was such a connisewer that he could tell the difference between hydroponic and free range pot by taste.

If you get the urge, try digging a pit just big enough to drop a useless tire rim off a car into it for a fire pit. If you really like the idea, dig the pit under the rim deeper and bring in a side tunnel or chunk of terra cotta drainage tile in to supply air and you will have a fire pit that will cook for an hour with about a couple gallons size bucket of wood. The tire rim will hold the dutch oven in place, and the side tunnel will keep the coals from smothering out.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:43 PM (xhaym)

179 @160

>>By the way, according to an interview I saw with Tarantino, Lee didn't respect stunt men and wasn't above "tagging" them.

I had occasion to work with Kareem Abdul Jabar on a project for a documentary a number of years ago.

I asked him a couple of question about Bruce Lee, he said he was one of the most beautiful, kind hearted people he knew.

The scene with Lee was apocryphal and unnecessary.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:43 PM (up/3i)

180 I've been watching James Bond: For Your Eyes Only (movie roulette selection).

It's probably the least cartoonish of the Roger Moore era Bond films.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2023 09:44 PM (BpYfr)

181 They’re gonna remake Braveheart with William Wallace played by a black lesbian.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:46 PM (u73oe)

182 If you get the urge, try digging a pit just big enough to drop a useless tire rim off a car into it for a fire pit. If you really like the idea, dig the pit under the rim deeper and bring in a side tunnel or chunk of terra cotta drainage tile in to supply air and you will have a fire pit that will cook for an hour with about a couple gallons size bucket of wood. The tire rim will hold the dutch oven in place, and the side tunnel will keep the coals from smothering out.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:43 PM (xhaym)

You know what makes a nifty fire pit? The stainless steel drum from a busted "energy saving" washing machine. They don't rust out, and can be moved around easily. And you can slap a sheet of expanded metal mesh over the top opening to make a dandy grill.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2023 09:47 PM (IhF0e)

183 Black Anne Boleyn did it for me.

Who knew that an African America family of nobles had a castle in Tudor England?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (s12c9)

Fast forward thru commercials and you will see a blur of black faces.13% of the population. Obviously Systematic racism, White supremacy.

Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:48 PM (WRAWm)

184 They’re gonna remake Braveheart with William Wallace played by a black lesbian.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:46 PM (u73oe)

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I'm guessing the black lesbian James Bond thing didn't focus group all that well.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at June 17, 2023 09:48 PM (2YtOq)

185 Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:43 PM (up/3i)

Kareem thinks you're a racist.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:48 PM (WxkE9)

186 180: my top Bond films, by the actor who played Bond (except Lazenby, who sucked):

From Russia With Love
The Spy Who Loved Me
The Living Daylights
Goldeneye
Casino Royale

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 17, 2023 09:49 PM (odBp6)

187 I'm sorry. I'm just assuming you are white.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:49 PM (WxkE9)

188 @185

>>Kareem thinks you're a racist.

Perhaps, but we had a pleasant time working together.

Talked about Airplane, which was sort of surreal.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:50 PM (up/3i)

189 ACKshually, at the end of No Time To Die a female person of color is designated the new 007

whether or not this holds for the next Bond movie remains to be seen

Posted by: DB - at June 17, 2023 09:50 PM (geLO8)

190 >Kareem thinks you're a racist.

Perhaps, but we had a pleasant time working together.

Talked about Airplane, which was sort of surreal.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:50 PM (up/3i

I bet it was. I've briefly talked with a lot of liberal actors that would think I'm a fascist if they knew me better.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 09:52 PM (WxkE9)

191 Return of the five million dollar picture.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:36 PM (xhaym)
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Yep.

Robert Rodriguez says he gets to make the pictures he wants because he does it economically and on time, and does effects and music in house.

Too many bloated CGI crapfests in the googleplexes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:53 PM (80HNz)

192 I'm still waiting for a remake of Roots with a diverse cast. Slaves that are black, white, Asian, Indian, Native American. Totally random casting - even among families. That would be worth a watch.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 17, 2023 09:55 PM (jzNRl)

193 AOP. I was looking into a mild steel drum from a dryer for the oven in an outdoors kitchen I was planning. It is one of those projects I am putting off until I can get enough brick or the willingness to dig up a lot of clay to make it out of adobe.

The fire pit thing is a makeshift for me, but it works really well.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2023 09:55 PM (xhaym)

194 @187

>>I'm sorry. I'm just assuming you are white.

I'm Polish/Italian.

I've got Guinea Hair and fair skin.

Well, when I had hair it was Guinea hair, now I shave it, because the Friar Tuck just does not work on me.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:56 PM (up/3i)

195 181 They’re gonna remake Braveheart with William Wallace played by a black lesbian.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 09:46 PM (u73oe)

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Good,
That means they can keep Sophie Marceau,

Posted by: Target at June 17, 2023 09:56 PM (s12c9)

196 A friend cut the convex end of a old milk tanker off - flipped it upright and had perfect fire pit liner. He lived in the mountains with endless supply of wood to burn.

Posted by: 13times at June 17, 2023 09:57 PM (3amy1)

197 Speaking of crapfests, I may see the new Flash movie. Yes, I know the lead is problematic, but I kinda wanna see all the Batmans (Batmen?) and Supermans.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2023 09:57 PM (80HNz)

198 183 Black Anne Boleyn did it for me.

Who knew that an African America family of nobles had a castle in Tudor England?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2023 09:37 PM (s12c9)

Fast forward thru commercials and you will see a blur of black faces.13% of the population. Obviously Systematic racism, White supremacy.

Posted by: JmT at June 17, 2023 09:48 PM (WRAWm)

Why aren't black actors ever cast as Indians in Westerns? Why aren't black actors ever cast in leading roles in Korean and Bollywood movies? I guess diversity and inclusion only go so far.

Posted by: Gref at June 17, 2023 09:58 PM (AMIL/)

199 @197

>>Speaking of crapfests, I may see the new Flash movie. Yes, I know the lead is problematic, but I kinda wanna see all the Batmans (Batmen?) and Supermans.

Apparently there are a lot of cameos via the multiverse.

I also heard Keaton is the only reason to go see the movie even though he's only in it for a cup of coffee.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 09:59 PM (up/3i)

200 Rodriguez' Alita: Battle Angel was way better than it had any right to be.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:59 PM (lpWi1)

201 I'm not a comic book movie guy but I watched Logan for the first time yesterday. I have to put that on my very short list of comic book movies I like.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 10:00 PM (WxkE9)

202 Rodriguez' Alita: Battle Angel was way better than it had any right to be.
Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 09:59 PM (lpWi1)

I've watched that movie multiple times.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2023 10:01 PM (WxkE9)

203 @200

>>Rodriguez' Alita: Battle Angel was way better than it had any right to be.

It was based on a Yukito Kishiro's manga and produced by James Cameron.

You have a lot going for you as a director with those conditions as a starting point.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 10:02 PM (up/3i)

204 || You have a lot going for you as a director with those conditions as a starting point.

And yet, I would've bet good money that any American movie based on manga would suck. Still would bet that.

Posted by: moviegique at June 17, 2023 10:02 PM (lpWi1)

205 @201

>>I'm not a comic book movie guy but I watched Logan for the first time yesterday. I have to put that on my very short list of comic book movies I like.

It's essentially a Western, so, it has that sort of built in general interest.

In fact, most westerns do well, which makes the fact that they stopped making westerns, inexplicable.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 10:03 PM (up/3i)

206 Netflix had a series a few years ago about the battle of Troy. Achilles was not only black, but gay.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2023 10:04 PM (u73oe)

207 @204

>>And yet, I would've bet good money that any American movie based on manga would suck. Still would bet that.

There are some tv shows based on manga, The Mandalorian is essentially, Lone Wolf and Cub.

There are probably others but as a rule, I don't watch much if any television or go to the cinema as frequently as I used to.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2023 10:06 PM (up/3i)

208 Hollywood has had a difficult time finding a vehicle to launch Gerard Butler.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 17, 2023 08:18 PM

My nic is based on Butler's character in "Law Abiding Citizen". One of my guilty pleasure righteous vengeance movies. I still remember seeing it in the theater and people cheering and laughing first with how he told off the female judge and then later with how he took her out.

So many good scenes, but this one is my absolute favorite:

https://bit.ly/42LdW4g

This is von Clausewitz shit. Total fucking war. I'm gonna pull the whole thing down. I'm gonna bring the whole fuckin' diseased, corrupt temple down on your head. It's gonna be Biblical.

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