DeSantis Vows War on the Deep State

Famously, when he was elected governor, he had all of his staff research all powers of the governor, even the ones that have been forgotten about, because he intended to use every last one of them.

So he's not blowing smoke when he says he intends to use presidential power to the limit to dismantle the Deep State.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been working for months on plans to tear down and rebuild both the Department of Justice and the FBI, consulting with experts and members of Congress to develop a "Day One" strategy to end what conservatives see as the weaponization of the justice system.
The governor has privately told advisors that he will hire and fire plenty of federal personnel, reorganize entire agencies, and execute a "disciplined" and "relentless" strategy to restore the Justice Department to a mission more in line with what the "Founding Fathers envisioned."
But his ambitions go beyond bureaucratic restructuring. He wants to physically remove large swathes of the DOJ from the District of Columbia, including FBI headquarters, RealClearPolitics is first to report.
"We're not going to let all this power accumulate in Washington, we're going to break up these agencies," DeSantis said during a private strategy session over the weekend, excerpts of which were obtained exclusively by RCP. He vowed in that call to order "some of the problematic components of the DOJ" be uprooted, reorganized, and then promptly "shipped to other parts of the country."
This fits with one of the central themes of the DeSantis campaign, namely that he'd be "an energetic executive," a president with the focus and attention to detail necessary to make the most of his Article II powers. On the stump, the governor regularly wins applause from primary voters for promising not just to wage war on the so-called deep state, but to end it.
The goal, according to senior outside advisors, ought to be returning the DOJ and FBI to a more limited "pre-9/11" mission. Republicans were outraged last Friday when former President Trump was indicted for mishandling classified documents. DeSantis has condemned that move, and his campaign scheduled the Saturday conference call "not knowing," he told advisors, that there would be "news last night." But the governor is also intimately familiar with conservative gripes about political bias inside President Biden's Department of Justice. They have been central to his campaign.
"We've seen throughout this country that the DOJ and the FBI are controlled by one faction of our society," DeSantis said on the call, pointing to how those agencies were "going after pro-life activists," wrongfully investigating parents at school board meetings "who are concerned about things like critical race theory, and forcing kids to wear masks," and "colluding with tech companies to censor information such as what they did with the 2020 election."
DeSantis has assembled a brain trust of academics, members of Congress, and former administration officials to draw up step-by-step blueprints for tearing the DOJ and FBI down to the studs for a rebuild.
He consults frequently with Reps. Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Chip Roy of Texas, conservatives always at war with government bureaucracy and openly hostile to federal power. Steven Bradbury of the Heritage Foundation and Victor Davis Hanson of the Hoover Institution have also joined the working group to offer technical expertise and historical perspective.

This is a cruel move, and I approve.

There have been regular conference calls, detailed memos, and at least one policy retreat in Tallahassee earlier this year. The work is ongoing because their enemy, the so-called "deep state," is vast. Their aim is nothing short of crippling it once and for all.
A key feature of the emerging plan: Move fast. Don't wait on Congress.
Bradbury has placed particular emphasis on that point during discussions with the candidate. An alum of both the Bush and Trump administrations, the former assistant attorney general told DeSantis that not only could he "relocate the FBI headquarters" without legislation from Congress, but he could also eliminate and then consolidate the bureau's general counsel, public affairs, and government relations offices with existing divisions in the DOJ.
Bradbury has suggested that such a move would both limit opportunities for the FBI to meddle in political affairs and also "beef up and emphasize the field offices."
This kind of innovation suits DeSantis, who takes a broader view of executive authority than is typical of constitutional conservatives and who has told advisors he "doesn't buy" the idea that presidents can't fire anyone on the federal payroll. He makes little distinction between political appointees, such as FBI Director Christopher Wray, and the federal government's career employees, a workforce numbering 35,000 at the FBI alone. "If you're performing poorly, you should be fired," he said, referring to special protections for a legion of federal civil servants. "It doesn't matter if you're a bureaucrat, or if you're a political appointee."

DeSantis knocked Trump's promise to "tame the Deep State in six months," asking why it wasn't done during Trump's four year term. He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years.

Posted by: Ace at 01:16 PM

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1 That's the only hope.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (N1DT3)

2 SPONGE!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (xcxpd)

3 he could start by arresting some deep staters while they party in Florida for their Trumpening.

Posted by: henry at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (JMDly)

4 Schedule F 'em All.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (jzzG8)

5 And good, I hope he guts the bureaucrats if he wins

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (xcxpd)

6 However, I doubt ANY candidate (Trump or Desantis included) understands what that "war" will entail and think this is just hyperbole.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (N1DT3)

7 Podium?

Posted by: Heirloominati at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (wF8fH)

8 Anyone can dream.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (Q4IgG)

9 Interesting.
The Deep State has an impressive record of prevailing over those who wish to dismantle it.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (MeG8a)

10 Hi Ace

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (t/2Uw)

11 Well he has already popped Nukes on the deep state in Florida.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (ncXxy)

12 Oh yay.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (zZu0s)

13 Good Morning, Ace.

Posted by: Heirloominati at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (wF8fH)

14 Darth Santis continues to say the right things.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (aD39U)

15 hi sharon!

Posted by: ace at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (KRtlO)

16 i'm sorry its hard to type with this raging blue steelie in my crotchal region.

Posted by: joe fingerblaster at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (3TalN)

17 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (Zz0t1)

18 Peeks in.. is it safe?

I am all about this, just need someone to tell me how we get him, or anyone, elected.

Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (ZdaMQ)

19 That's why they will never let him win.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (OX9vb)

20 Sort of reminds me of hte story of the Turtle and the Hare.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)

21 need Congress to do things... they are bought by the deep state.

Posted by: henry at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (JMDly)

22 A one term president doesn't have to worry about reelection.

But be real no one is getting "elected" but a Democrat or Uniparty member. Forget it.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (s4j7v)

23 A key feature of the emerging plan: Move fast. Don't wait on Congress.

Why, that almost sounds like...a leader.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)

24 "He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. "

I have been saying that from day one. Plus even if trump wins he will only have two years to do stuff assuming the house and senate are red because he will lose the house at least in the mid terms and the democrats will freeze him out by refusing to fund anything.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (ncXxy)

25 Oh wow man. This guy really sucks. What a f*cking RINO he is.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (Zz0t1)

26 DeSantis shut down the beaches here in the Sunshine State during the panic.

He's not immune to doing stupid shit just because everyone else is doing it.

Posted by: pawn at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (wsHtO)

27 This is great, but it's moot. They won't let him win the 2024 election.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (H9sxy)

28 That's why they will never let him win.

But be real no one is getting "elected" but a Democrat or Uniparty member. Forget it.

Get some new material. Please.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)

29 DeSantis: The Department of Education is shut down.

DoE: No.

Your move DeSantis.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (gFoGk)

30 Hatch Act the living fuck out of resistance fedgov employees.

Posted by: x at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (ZBPE2)

31 Here we go....

Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (AwYPR)

32 Based. Excellent. This is something that I can like about DeSantis.

We'll see what DJT does in response.

I hope they ratchet each other up on this.

And other things.

But not "culture war" stuff. That's way downstream and just alienates voters.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (a1d87)

33 "some of the problematic components of the DOJ" be uprooted, reorganized, and then promptly "shipped to other parts of the country."

I can get behind that. Can he really do it though?
Politician's promises are worth squat.

Posted by: fd at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (iayUP)

34 28 That's why they will never let him win.

But be real no one is getting "elected" but a Democrat or Uniparty member. Forget it.

Get some new material. Please.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)

I hear good things about Prussian Blue velvet

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (xcxpd)

35 Yeah, but "Desanctimonious" didn't condemn the new Trump indictment forceful e enough or something. Oh yeah, and are the culture wars really worth fighting? I mean, can't we agree the Disney thing has gone a little too far?

/sarc

Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (63An5)

36 Having a battleplan is for losers. Just make some extemporaneous remarks and hope for the best, Meatball. Cover all shortcomings with, "you just don't understand 11th dimensional chess" and insults.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (ppBhU)

37 Somebody on DeSantis's team will screech that announcing this plan will ensure that thousands of govt. employees will never vote for him. His answer should be: "They wouldn't vote for me anyway. They're Democrats, and Deep State. Oh, by the way? *You* are fired.

"Next matter?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (J2vNu)

38
Blah blah blah.

DeSantis will have no more success than Trump did, or anyone else would or will.

Elections are irrelevant.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (oINRc)

39 But not "culture war" stuff. That's way downstream and just alienates voters.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM

Yep and keep abortion out of any conversation. That $hit is up to the States now as it should have been from day one.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (ncXxy)

40 DeSantis is doing pretty much everything the people here have demanded. It's almost like he reads the site, or at least has his staff read it.

I choose to believe we are important.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (eOEVl)

41 A clever ruse, obviously, to take us in.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (brAQZ)

42 DeSantis likes Nickelback

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (VTu1l)

43 I admire the optimism. But cleaning out the Deep State is like cleaning out the Augean stables with a straw. In fact, the term "Deep State" itself is misleading, as it suggests it's some kind of smaller organization hidden inside the larger government. The reality is that the Deep State IS the government. There can be no "cleaning out." There can be only total destruction and annihilation, and then starting over.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (iFTx/)

44 New Coke is going to be the best thing ever. Just wait until you taste it!

Posted by: Marketing at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (sh1GZ)

45 I’d be more inclined to believe this if he actively worked against deep staters subject to the jurisdiction of Florida. Why Epstein, Clinton, Biden, Obama, Soros, etc. entities and individuals aren’t being prosecuted in Florida for their state level crimes doesn’t make Ron look good. He’s had 4+ years to do it, like Trump, and other than recalling a Soros DA he hasn’t done much in that regard.

Posted by: OhNoNotTheBees! at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (Ie5WC)

46 The great thing about passing conservative laws is that it makes the Leftists move away.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (2tUFv)

47 Sounds good.

The elephant in the room remains.

How to you address the five cities that simultaneously shut down across multiple state lines and time zones in order to cheat against the (R) candidates? And knowing that those five exist, how do you address the other ten that will pop up in NC, VA, etc. to take their place if those five are reined in?

That is the "deep state" (really there's no "deep state," just government), and I don't know how you win in order to defeat it. That's the problem.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (etIVw)

48 de Santis makes some good points. We'll have to see if he puts his money where his mouth is.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

49 >>>But not "culture war" stuff. That's way downstream and just alienates voters.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM

I agree completely.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (7zEAH)

50 But not "culture war" stuff. That's way downstream and just alienates voters.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (a1d87)

Nah, the culture war is what motivates voters. It alienates the big money men.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (xcxpd)

51 What are DeSantis's plans to overcome the investigations, impeachments, charges, inquiries, colonoscopies, special prosecutors, leaks, lies, slander, backstabbing and treason that would fine tooth comb his every breath and welcome him to the WH?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (6yvnf)

52 Iirc, Michael Flynn announced he would be doing this - analyzing IC and making big changes.
So then they set him up before Trump was even sworn in.

I want DeSantis to do this, but he needs to be EXTREMELY careful with those whom he tasks with doing this. They will be targeted for complete destruction as Flynn was.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (waLMR)

53 The Executive Branch and all its agencies are the domain of POTUS. They are his agencies carrying out his agenda. I would take that to court and all the way to SCOTUS any day.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (63An5)

54 It's kind of funny, getting Never Trump to go all in supporting America First/Trump policies.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (08CnU)

55 Yeah yeah yeah
I'll believe it, if and when it happens

til then it's campaign trail noise

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (geLO8)

56 "some of the problematic components of the DOJ" be uprooted, reorganized, and then promptly "shipped to other parts of the country."

I can get behind that. Can he really do it though?
Politician's promises are worth squat.

So...you'd prefer someone who doesn't even try?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)

57 I was wondering, given that Jack Smith and his team attempted to bribe people in Florida to turn in Trump, isn't that a crime under FL law?

Can you imagine the nuclear shitshow if FL state police arrested Smith's team?

And then Ron just says, "you said it yourselves: No one is above the law. That includes corrupt federal prosecutors."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (0QVEQ)

58 38
Blah blah blah.

DeSantis will have no more success than Trump did, or anyone else would or will.

Elections are irrelevant.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM (oINRc)

Yeah but it beats another tranny or pedo thread.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (xcxpd)

59 BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!!! Good luck dumbasses thinking the Democrats/Deep State/left is just gonna roll over and take it without you stupid motherfuckers going to jail attempting to defund and/or re-organize the bureaucracy without them calling it a coup/insurrection. Nevermind whats been happening right in front of your eyes the last five years, we'll just be a votin' our way out of this yessiree!

Idiocy.

Posted by: JROD at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (IlL6s)

60 I hear good things about Prussian Blue velvet
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (xcxpd)

Gentian Violet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (zZu0s)

61 The reality is that the Deep State IS the government. There can be no "cleaning out." There can be only total destruction and annihilation, and then starting over.
Posted by: Elric Blade

And that won't be by pronouncements and laws. That's going to take gunpowder.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (gFoGk)

62
I have been saying that from day one. Plus even if trump wins he will only have two years to do stuff assuming the house and senate are red because he will lose the house at least in the mid terms and the democrats will freeze him out by refusing to fund anything.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (ncXxy)

But, having nothing to lose, it gives him the opportunity to go scorched earth on EVERYTHING since it won't matter to him politically at that point.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (Zz0t1)

63 After reading this it will last for longer than 4 hours.
Sproiiiing.

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (VMFAF)

64 There was a knock on DeSantis that the culture war should taken the back seat to MAGA.

Trump himself noted that in his rallies he gets more response when talking about Al Gayda than about immigration.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (pwExq)

65 I want to hear DeSantis plan to stop the vote rigging. Seems like it's going to be necessary to divert campaign funds to engage in lawfare in several critical states to force voter integrity and cleaning up of the fake ballots

and also lots of ballot harvesting for his side

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (VTu1l)

66 Get some new material. Please.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)

It's FUNNY because Archimedes has sung the same exact song in every single thread for a year plus.

Posted by: Ellipsis Roethlisberger at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (6yvnf)

67 But not "culture war" stuff. That's way downstream and just alienates voters.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (a1d87)

Are you referring to the culture war stuff that we've avoided dealing with all this time, and now the poison is everywhere and dragging Americans down with it?

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (Emce2)

68 I’m hoping to pass on this thread unless it turns into a Haiku thread. Even if it doesn’t I’ll be back in 45 minutes when it turns into a movie thread.

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (MNhXM)

69 Blah blah blah.

DeSantis will have no more success than Trump did, or anyone else would or will.

Elections are irrelevant.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:23 PM

I wouldn't count on that. Whoever wins in 2024 is going to most likely get to name at least one SCOTUS Judge.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (ncXxy)

70 Oh wow man. This guy really sucks. What a f*cking RINO he is.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (Zz0t1)

Watch out for the onslaught of OnlyTrumper rage coming your way!!

Posted by: Doof at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (StUJj)

71 Yeah but it beats another tranny or pedo thread.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (xcxpd)

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Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (zZu0s)

72 Look, let's wind our clocks back. The penalty for removing disgraced FBI director James Comey, a power President Trump could unequivocally exercise, was a multi year long special prosecution that had to be ended by William Barr. This is likely more Severe Conservative nonsense from someone who dropped below 20% in his internal polling.

Now, RDS could certainly get me onside the DeSantis Express, even at this late stage. Start slapping handcuffs on any federal bureaucrats assisting the human trafficking operations into Florida. As Governor, he has the advantage of men with guns, along with relatively high popularity within his state. Or declare the Senate hopelessly corrupted and promise to scourge it with fire, but that will cost him the John Thune endorsement.

Empty promises are inoffensive, but they are also insufficient. You want to be as popular as Trump, start making yourself the #1 enemy of the CIA. Today.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (ZyRtd)

73 Had my doubts about DeSantis in his first run for Governor, but I voted for him.
Been delighted with his administration.
I love his strategic planning here, and expect him to follow through -- if he is not taken out

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (x129E)

74 de Santis makes some good points. We'll have to see if he puts his money where his mouth is.

He already is. We've heard endless white noise from other GOP pols who view the things D is saying as radioactive. He's the one saying them and doing them. I don't know what else you want from the man.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (eOEVl)

75 You had me at "war on the deep state"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (TW+5E)

76 DeSantis is doing pretty much everything the people here have demanded. It's almost like he reads the site, or at least has his staff read it.

I choose to believe we are important.

Posted by: Archimedes

--

The big problem will be how to accomplish that after only getting 60M or so votes vs. Biden's 85M.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (etIVw)

77 Trump and/or DeSantis can posture all they want.

Neither will be allowed anywhere near the White House.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (Q4IgG)

78 60 I hear good things about Prussian Blue velvet
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (xcxpd)

Gentian Violet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (zZu0s)

If your Genitans turn violet, please see your urologist...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (xcxpd)

79 >>>Yeah but it beats another tranny or pedo thread.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

abso frickin lutely

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (geLO8)

80 It will be tough to change the FBI and DOJ I think as they are part of the Executive Branch. Too easy for any president to make them his political hit men.

Don't know what the solution is though. Answering to Congress?

Posted by: PJ at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (G1dq6)

81 VDH is on board eh? Hell yeah

Black pillers gonna black pill. We get it. You've given up.

For the rest of us, this is how you put together an administration. Trump was the dog that caught the car.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (5C4od)

82 DeSantis shut down the beaches here in the Sunshine State during the panic.

Posted by: pawn

And you don't remember the guy dressing as the grim reaper when the beaches were open in FL?
The guy was protesting DeSantis's opening of the beaches.

Initially no one knew how 'deadly' the wuhan was going to be and it was prudent for 2 weeks, after that it was BS Lib control games for 2 years.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (sei1f)

83 Keep and eye out for the latest NPC talking points patch:

DU: Stop saying Classified Documents and start saying Nuclear Secrets

Daily Kos: Stop saying Classified Documents and start saying Nuclear Secrets!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (oOxV9)

84 71 Yeah but it beats another tranny or pedo thread.
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (xcxpd)

85 23 A key feature of the emerging plan: Move fast. Don't wait on Congress.

Why, that almost sounds like...a leader.

in addition to moving fast, also needs to travel light

Posted by: harry tuttle at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (oY6Yp)

86 51
51 What are DeSantis's plans to overcome the investigations, impeachments, charges, inquiries, colonoscopies, special prosecutors, leaks, lies, slander, backstabbing and treason that would fine tooth comb his every breath and welcome him to the WH?

Inquiring minds would like to know.
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023

His campaign staff hasn’t reached out to me yet, but we need to stop playing by the rules. What is Biden doing? Nothing. Carrying on like his son isn’t a crack whore. We should do the same, we have much stronger legs to stand on. And we should get our side to fall in line like the Dems do, period. Mitt, that one is for you.

Ps. Seriously. Anyone with much more political acumen than me (which is a pretty wide open invite), how do we stop the steal? No one is talking about that at all, just firing on each other when the big issue sits there in the corner.

Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (ZdaMQ)

87 Hoping = going

DeSantis first EO as President should be to declare autocrap as a danger to the Republic.

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (MNhXM)

88 Imagine he wins and has both houses of Congress. I know it takes a lot of crazy optimism but just go with me here.
Using the power of the purse with a Republican house, he could actually get this kind of thing done. He just needs simple majorities.
The bottom line is that if he does get elected, it means that there has been a sea change in the country.
I think we are seeing it with the diminshment of Pride month by everyone except the Government.
Anti child mutilation laws.
Successfully fighting new gun prohibitions.
Statements that the electric grid can;t support green energy mandates.
Yes, I am an optimist and I love DeSantis.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (t/2Uw)

89 57 I was wondering, given that Jack Smith and his team attempted to bribe people in Florida to turn in Trump, isn't that a crime under FL law?

Can you imagine the nuclear shitshow if FL state police arrested Smith's team?

And then Ron just says, "you said it yourselves: No one is above the law. That includes corrupt federal prosecutors."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (0QVEQ)
________
+1000

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (brAQZ)

90 Obviously because DeSantis is a RINO!!!!

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (i7Q7S)

91 good day morons,

i see it is time ti discuss that x congressman. i love military, but that man is not trustworthy.

ps. not a bot or other irritant.from

'ette from long ago.

Posted by: halit0 at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (1XWxw)

92 the war with the Propaganda Press will be a forever war.

Recall how crazed the WaPo/NYT cabal was when PDJT replaced US Attorneys...DeSantis is taking that up to eleventy with this declaration.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (TW+5E)

93 Get some new material. Please.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)

Get some self awareness. Seriously bro.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (6yvnf)

94 I’m hoping to pass on this thread unless it turns into a Haiku thread. Even if it doesn’t I’ll be back in 45 minutes when it turns into a movie thread.

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM

I am banking on it being a boob thread in less than 20 minutes.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (ncXxy)

95 The big problem will be how to accomplish that after only getting 60M or so votes vs. Biden's 85M.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (etIVw)

120 million votes for Biden.

Posted by: MAC V SOG at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (P4Pk9)

96 not voting for meathead. actually not voting at all. unless... nevermind.

Posted by: slubdog at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (yMKLy)

97 'For a soldier, speed is life.'
-Napoleon, I think*

*dammit, now I need to look it up

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (zZu0s)

98 I dunno. It appears to me that in some instances Trump used what he believed to be, or was told the limitations of his power were in order to satiate some of his more "liberal" tendencies, or at least what he believed could be untenable politically. But many politicians do that. What Democrats did very successfully was constantly would his fragile ego, and therefore distract or limit him from carrying out the deepest, and most necessary actions against an out of control bureaucracy.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (63An5)

99 77 Trump and/or DeSantis can posture all they want.

Neither will be allowed anywhere near the White House.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 12:27 PM (Q4IgG)

So my day is coming, then!

Posted by: Asa Hutchison at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (pwExq)

100 If the Dems win the trifecta in 24 and introduce a spending Bill to start building camps, how many R votes do they get?

Posted by: I don't know how to say this so I'll just say this at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (YDI37)

101 I choose to believe we are important.

Posted by: Archimedes
===
Its pronounced impotent.

Posted by: see last presidential election at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (sh1GZ)

102 Pfft, Trump will build a time machine, go back to his 1st day in office and totally punk DeSantis by destroying the Deep State 4 years ahead of him.

#Winning

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (TkdUX)

103 For a soldier, speed is life.'
-Napoleon, I think

Adderall FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (gFoGk)

104 I want DeSantis to do this, but he needs to be EXTREMELY careful with those whom he tasks with doing this. They will be targeted for complete destruction as Flynn was.

He needs to hire zombie Sean Connery.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (eOEVl)

105 STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (28IDa)

106 Defund the secret police.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (63Dwl)

107 "So he's not blowing smoke when he says he intends to use presidential power to the limit to dismantle the Deep State."

He's sincere.

Also, it cannot be done.

The National Security State is completely in charge now. The 2024 election has been delegitimized, and the country in the process. Whether it is Trump or DeSantis or whoever, the recipient of the GOP will be seen as unfairly nominated (in the case of Trump, due to sympathy, in the case of DeSantis due to the involvement of the Deep State early in the process).

The system would have to be dismantled root and branch, and until something catastrophic happens, that is not doable.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (KSNKu)

108 I am banking on it being a boob thread in less than 20 minutes.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (ncXxy)

WAY ahead of you man.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (zZu0s)

109 Or declare the Senate hopelessly corrupted and promise to scourge it with fire, but that will cost him the John Thune endorsement.

Stop. I can only get so erect.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (eOEVl)

110 DeSantis opened schools in August *2020*. He alsomade a priority of protecting the elderly in nursing homes, not killing them.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (x129E)

111 Obviously because DeSantis is a RINO!!!!
Posted by: Jay in PA at June 13, 2023 12:29 PM (i7Q7S)

A secret GOPe mole.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (aD39U)

112 I will happily vote for Ron or Don. I think we are past the point of no return, but will give it a try anyway.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (YIXBr)

113 Checks in..... Backs out slowly

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (bs+z0)

114 I was wondering, given that Jack Smith and his team attempted to bribe people in Florida to turn in Trump, isn't that a crime under FL law?

Can you imagine the nuclear shitshow if FL state police arrested Smith's team?

And then Ron just says, "you said it yourselves: No one is above the law. That includes corrupt federal prosecutors."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

It's a slam dunk. If he doesn't do it, you know where he stands.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (gFoGk)

115
DeSantis or Trump
it's the new age-old question
now in haiku form

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO8)

116 DeSantis is like an ICBM. He reached the top of his arc and is now re-entering and heading right down into a huge explosion. His chances of winning a primary at this point is about nil IMHO.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (to8pj)

117 He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years.
Good point.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (pohLc)

118 I was wondering, given that Jack Smith and his team attempted to bribe people in Florida to turn in Trump, isn't that a crime under FL law?

Can you imagine the nuclear shitshow if FL state police arrested Smith's team?

And then Ron just says, "you said it yourselves: No one is above the law. That includes corrupt federal prosecutors."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM

Only this would convince me he's serious. Only this.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (iKBwy)

119 Yay! A Nephilim thread! Beings more powerful than the people we champion are already pulling the strings. I mean, look at the whole transgender pandemic and give me a better explanation other than it being a demonic incursion.

Posted by: That guy who says Yay! A Nephilim thread! at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM (7Ocnn)

120 I love his strategic planning here, and expect him to follow through -- if he is not taken out
Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at June 13, 2023

***
Yes. My imagination casts up this horrible vision that in Nov. of 2025, we'll hear shocking news from a motorcade in Philadelphia. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (J2vNu)

121 Can you imagine the nuclear shitshow if FL state police arrested Smith's team?

And then Ron just says, "you said it yourselves: No one is above the law. That includes corrupt federal prosecutors."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (0QVEQ)

Yup, the Florida state authorities "escorting" the former President and demanding federal officials disarm would make DeSantis the overnight frontrunner. If President Trump protested that we have to obey THE LAW, RDS could correctly call him a pussy and say it's not even about the specifics of the Trump case. The federal tyranny will be stopped, and it will be stopped by men with guns.

Then a cute sniper chick could shoot an Antifa thuglet, at which point RDS could amend his words to include women.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (ZyRtd)

122 He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years.
---
The tidal wave necessary to overcome the cheat, sufficient to win, will sweep in a huge R majority in the House and Senate.

It's the kind of waves that "makes bad people do the right thing."

This isn't about Trump or DeSantis-- it's about the people. "Recalcitrant Senators" will be irrelevant if any R wins the WH.
And that winner will have a lifetime of political capital to burn any who resist, even out of office-- they will not have the luxury of "waiting him out."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (0QVEQ)

123 DeSantis knocked Trump's promise to "tame the Deep State in six months," asking why it wasn't done during Trump's four year term.

You'll find out why, Don.

If you get elected.

Which won't happen.

More bukakke theater for the rubes.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (AW0uW)

124 I want him to constantly push for term limits and end career bureaucrats. Push to de-unionize government employees.

Posted by: An un-sharpened pencil at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (FjlUt)

125 I want someone who will do for the Feds what Elon did for Twitter. Namely, fire 3/4 of the employees and eliminate their jobs.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (XIrkU)

126 DeSantis is like an ICBM. He reached the top of his arc and is now re-entering and heading right down into a huge explosion. His chances of winning a primary at this point is about nil IMHO.

2 months ago: DeSantis hasn't declared and should stay out.
Today: Desantis has already peaked and should stay out.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (eOEVl)

127 More patriotism:

https://tinyurl.com/4vcrynms

Although I believe she is Czech.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:33 PM (zZu0s)

128 I am leery of spreading the DC infection across the states by decentralizing agencies. Better to shrink and elminate them instead. The ATF would be a good test case. What few legitimate functions it has could be rolled into other agencies.

Then, if you pull that off you can go after the Education Department or the EPA. Either you eliminate these agencies entirely, or they will work tirelessly to put you in chains. Starve them of manpower and cash where you cannot eliminate them. But don't spread them across the country.

Posted by: Thatch at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (DGN1Q)

129 Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (63An5)

Excellent points.

Please leave...your kind has no place here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (ZCCyW)

130 For decades I have heard Republicans rail against NPR/CPB.

This should be the lowest of low hanging fruit. Easy to do. They can no longer say Republicans hate Big Bird, as Big Bird got sold to HBO or some other big for profit corporation.

Does anyone here think DeSantis can that done? Or Trump?

After that exercise, get back to me on the FBI.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (pwExq)

131 "Culture War" stuff is a turn off to actual voters. It just is. This is a Republic. The conclusion is just simple logic.

And it is far downstream of economics and Institutional issues.

I am not saying the stuff isn't happening. Or that it isn't Satanic. It is happening and is Satanic.

But the reality is that it loses elections.

That's why the GOP pols fall back on it when they are pressed by voters. It's a way to throw elections.

Look, I'm an open god damned Salazar fanboy so idk what definition of "hard right" I don't fall under.

But I want to win and make effectual changes.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (a1d87)

132 He says the right things.

I believe he actually would do them too.

But the fix is already in, you think the Demscate gonna let all those boxes of ballots they’ve got lined up go to waste?

Posted by: Trump at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (5f0Sh)

133 100 If the Dems win the trifecta in 24 and introduce a spending Bill to start building camps, how many R votes do they get?
Posted by: I don't know how to say this so I'll just say this at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (YDI37)

As many votes as necessary. The other day McCarthy announced he will look into restructuring the FBI. That's the state of the controlled opposition.

The Republican Party has been set up for catastrophic losses in 2024 and that's before the special sauce is added election night in Philly, Milwaukee, and Atlanta.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (KSNKu)

134 Yay! A Nephilim thread! Beings more powerful than the people we champion are already pulling the strings. I mean, look at the whole transgender pandemic and give me a better explanation other than it being a demonic incursion.

Aliens?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (eOEVl)

135 I recall Trump had devised a plan to fire or relocate federal employees just before the election of 2020. It was called something like Section F or Section K regulatory reduction or some such thing. Anybody recall that?

Posted by: DanMan at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (DB6tu)

136 DeSantis is still very much in contention.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (pohLc)

137 This time around, I'm going to vote harder!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (YwvIc)

138 57>> That would take stones of brass, and be completely counter to the GOPe strategy. It'd be a sure fire solid body shot to the Trump campaign.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (4O8r/)

139
https://tinyurl.com/2p89hw9m
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (zZu0s)

Busty, all natural and patriotic
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (xcxpd)

All American butterface.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (Zz0t1)

140 DeSantis opened schools in August *2020*. He alsomade a priority of protecting the elderly in nursing homes, not killing them.

Yeah, but he should have just killed the elderly. It would have been the more humane thing to do, because they were dying inside anyway due to the beach closures.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (ppBhU)

141 Oh yeah? Well, when I'm president I'll fill several gorillion judge vacancies...

Well, that's nothing, I'll promise a chicken in every pot pie

...

Yay! Lazily waves little 3x2 in. flag.

Posted by: micky at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (3byMq)

142 Does anyone here think DeSantis can that done? Or Trump?

After that exercise, get back to me on the FBI.
Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:34 PM (pwExq)

It's a red herring and will freak out the "normies".

It was pushed because of that by the GOP pols.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (a1d87)

143 98 I dunno. It appears to me that in some instances Trump used what he believed to be, or was told the limitations of his power were in order to satiate some of his more "liberal" tendencies, or at least what he believed could be untenable politically. But many politicians do that. What Democrats did very successfully was constantly would his fragile ego, and therefore distract or limit him from carrying out the deepest, and most necessary actions against an out of control bureaucracy.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (63An5)

Trump has always been very respectful of the limits of his presidential powers. Including during Covid.

Which is not exactly what we need, but it's a consistent behavior of his.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (eYoxG)

144 The Wall Street Journal came out with this thirty minutes ago - the Deep State continues to throw Ukraine under the bus:

U.S. Warned Ukraine Not to Attack Nord Stream

CIA pressed Kyiv weeks before explosions sabotaged the natural gas pipelines bringing Russian gas to Europe.

A half-dozen Ukrainians in a yacht blew up the pipelines, without any help from anybody.

Really.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (2tUFv)

145 Pfft, Trump will build a time machine, go back to his 1st day in office and totally punk DeSantis by destroying the Deep State 4 years ahead of him.

#Winning
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 13, 2023

***
If Trump has a time machine, can he go back to, say, 1970 and adopt me? I'd be a credit to him. I learn fast and don't eat much.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (J2vNu)

146 Or declare the Senate hopelessly corrupted and promise to scourge it with fire, but that will cost him the John Thune endorsement.

Stop. I can only get so erect.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:31 PM (eOEVl)

And I have to amend this: turns out Thune endorsed Tim Scott. Which means RDS has even less to lose, particularly if he says that Miss Lindsey, currently a Trump endorser, has been dropping the ball with deliberate effort.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (ZyRtd)

147 Don't trust any politician, forget what any of them SAY...see what they do.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

148 DC_Draino @DC_Draino
President Trump confirmed tonight that “Pandora’s box has been opened”

He said AG Bill Barr was a coward for not going after DC elites, but he somewhat understood preserving that norm

But this indictment changed everything

The gloves are off now

https://tinyurl.com/bdfdhmzm
2:09 video

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (Vwz3I)

149 I love how the idea that the *possibility* of an (R) who seems like a genuine "Fightin" conservative and says and does all the right things to angle himself into a greater position of power but in reality he's a bullshitter like every single one before him (bar possibly *one* who died in 2004) is treated as some kind of crrrrrrazy conspiracy theory. That's fun.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (kA+fp)

150 announcing this is a good way to get assassinated by the Deep State before election day

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (V6W16)

151 Good morning, ace!

We are having a PNW MoMe in August. You are cordially invited to Oregon! If you've never been to this part of the country, I highly suggest getting off your keester and making it happen.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (SVX08)

152 131 "Culture War" stuff is a turn off to actual voters. It just is. This is a Republic. The conclusion is just simple logic.

Governor Youngkin would like a word.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (pwExq)

153 Keep saying DeSantis will get in same boat as Trump, they are on the same side and need to stop sniping at each other

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (II0jt)

154 FBI needs an office for the Director and 3 or 4 assistants in DC. The rest need to be in a field office.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (BRHaw)

155 >. I am leery of spreading the DC infection across the states by decentralizing agencies. Better to shrink and elminate them instead.

Move the Dept of Education to North Dakota and watch how many people quit

No offense, North Dakota

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (geLO8)

156 I will happily vote for Ron or Don. I think we are past the point of no return, but will give it a try anyway.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 13, 2023 12:32 PM

I will vote for whoever wins the primary. I have not yet decided on who I am going to vote for in the primary though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (ncXxy)

157 As the months go on what an actual DeSantis administration would look like begins to flesh out. Given his successful record in Florida, his failure at taking on the IRS, the current level of planning, most likely informed by the IRS experience, to take on the deep state and federal agencies will touch off an all war between the president and the deep state. His talk of going fast and breaking things is exactly what is needed - give the bureaucrats and agencies an inch of territory to resist and obstruct is a road to getting ones head handed to them - this is something Trump demonstrated repeatedly. Regan proved what can happen when he canned all the air traffic controllers for striking. The FBI and DOJ will be a harder nut to crack but a relentless President just might pull it off. I am liking where the man is headed.

Posted by: Lost In Space at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (qxLut)

158 Xipe Totec, we are planning a MoMe and your name came up. My email is linked in my nic if you'd like to be on our email notification list.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (Emce2)

159 I would consider voting for DeSantis if he can list how he is going to accomplish what Trump couldn't.

INCLUDING how he plans to work around any and all roadblocks by deep state. Not wishes. Not maybes. List out the steps to be taken. Especially when they refuse to go along.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (gFoGk)

160
DU: Stop saying Classified Documents and start saying Nuclear Secrets

Daily Kos: Stop saying Classified Documents and start saying Nuclear Secrets!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 13, 2023 12:28 PM (oOxV9)

We don't have any nuclear secrets. Clinton gave those away YEARS ago.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (Zz0t1)

161 All American butterface.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (Zz0t1)

She does wonderous things with makeup.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (zZu0s)

162 100 If the Dems win the trifecta in 24 and introduce a spending Bill to start building camps, how many R votes do they get?
Posted by: I don't know how to say this so I'll just say this

Romney, Cornyn, ...

Posted by: x at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (ZBPE2)

163 U.S. Warned Ukraine Not to Attack Nord Stream
(we told them we'd do it for them)

Posted by: the part left unsaid at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (sh1GZ)

164 "127 More patriotism:

https://tinyurl.com/4vcrynms

Although I believe she is Czech."

I'd like to Czech her out

Posted by: An un-sharpened pencil at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (FjlUt)

165 136 DeSantis is still very much in contention.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (pohLc)

No. No he is not. But he can do good things still.

He's losing FLA and has Cruz tier charisma. Which is poison in a Republic.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (a1d87)

166 Executive Order no. 1 (R)

No employee of this administration shall converse with, for any reason, any employee or appointee of any Federal law enforcement agency, unless accompanied by council for the President.

E.O. no. 2.

There is now a bounty of $100,000 on each and every employee and appointee of every federal law enforcement agency, brought in live and under restraint. Said bounty to be paid, tax free, to any U.S. Citizen, and is not available to non-citizens, up to and including green card holdesrs.

This is how you begin to get a grasp on dealing with the Deep State. Apply to other agencies, as needed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (e6UQI)

167 144 The Wall Street Journal came out with this thirty minutes ago - the Deep State continues to throw Ukraine under the bus:

U.S. Warned Ukraine Not to Attack Nord Stream

CIA pressed Kyiv weeks before explosions sabotaged the natural gas pipelines bringing Russian gas to Europe.

A half-dozen Ukrainians in a yacht blew up the pipelines, without any help from anybody.

Really.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (2tUFv)

Yep. They sailed all the way from the Black Sea to the Swedish coast and then dove down, lucked into finding the pipeline, laid charges, lost a diving boot, and got away clean.

Also, if you clap your hands, fairies come back to life.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (xcxpd)

168 "Culture War" stuff is a turn off to actual voters.

The sensible thing to do is suck the ladypenis.

Besides, it's not like 30 years of complete unwillingness to talk about anything other than capital gains taxation has done the party any harm in the electorate.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (ppBhU)

169 156. I am a no on Christie, Haley and Pence. Open to the others.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (YIXBr)

170 Jesus, a lot of you would be better off moving to Canada and partaking in the euthanasia products that they apparently supply to anyone for all the loser talk I'm reading.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (TkdUX)

171 Wow. The shitlibs have learned to love nuclear weaponry.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (a1d87)

172 As the months go on what an actual DeSantis administration would look like begins to flesh out. Given his successful record in Florida,

WITH a cooperative state legislature. Don't forget that. They are on his side. Unlike DC.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (gFoGk)

173 https://tinyurl.com/2p89hw9m
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023
*
Busty, all natural and patriotic
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023
*
All American butterface.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023

***
Tessa Fowler. More evidence of her gifts, including her pretty face, can be seen all over the Internet.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (J2vNu)

174 The Bushes are behind DeSantis, no? The Bush appointees and helpers are what compromised Trump early on. No? Wat is to keep DeSantis's admin from filling up immediately with Pences and Reice's to compromise any real action and smother it all under pillows like they did with what Trump wanted done?

Posted by: Yip at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (YT5J+)

175 124 I want him to constantly push for term limits and end career bureaucrats.

at some point, you've lived off the taxpayers enough.

Posted by: x at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (ZBPE2)

176 DeSantis asked why Trump didn’t get this done?
Because the guy he hired to do this, who had been inside IC and knew it well enough to know who/where it was most dysfunctional and corrupt, was entrapped into legal battle after the election. Then Trump and Pence didn’t back Flynn up. Then immediately the deep state started investigating Trump Russia hoax, asserting that any action on IC was hindering the investigation, a coverup, and the Left threatened riots should he do so.

It was a trap. How will DeSantis not get likewise trapped by the DC-IC-MSM-NGO tag team?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (waLMR)

177 I will vote for whoever wins the primary. I have not yet decided on who I am going to vote for in the primary though.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (ncXxy)

If Asa H or any other GOPe dupe wins the primary, I won't vote for that spineless wonder.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (Emce2)

178 He's losing FLA...

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (a1d87)

You are getting more nonsensical by the day.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (ZCCyW)

179 "Oh no, I have absolutely perfect skin! What should I do?"

"A tattoo will fix this problem!"

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (iKBwy)

180 147 Don't trust any politician, forget what any of them SAY...see what they do.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

This. More than anything.

For the 'Ron commenters from the frosty North (andycanuck and AOP):

https://tinyurl.com/2ts97xs5

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (zZu0s)

181 It's a red herring and will freak out the "normies".

It was pushed because of that by the GOP pols.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:35 PM (a1d87)

The government is spending money promoting people who hate you.

You can think its a red herring, but it's the way of the world. If we can't get rid of an agency full of soft talking radio poofters, then we aren't going to get rid of tens of thousands of armed agents.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (pwExq)

182 158 Xipe Totec, we are planning a MoMe and your name came up. My email is linked in my nic if you'd like to be on our email notification list.
Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (Emce2)

Thinking bout it Emmie.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (pohLc)

183 I'd like to Czech her out
Posted by: An un-sharpened pencil at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (FjlUt)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (zZu0s)

184 164 "127 More patriotism:

https://tinyurl.com/4vcrynms

Although I believe she is Czech."

I'd like to Czech her out
Posted by: An un-sharpened pencil at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (FjlUt)

Jeez....that rack could knock aircraft out of the sky...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (xcxpd)

185 DeSantis has assembled a brain trust of academics, members of Congress, and former administration officials to draw up step-by-step blueprints for tearing the DOJ and FBI down to the studs for a rebuild.
...
"DeSantis knocked Trump's promise to "tame the Deep State in six months," asking why it wasn't done during Trump's four year term. He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years."

Posted by: Ace at 01:16 PM

Ok, Ace, this gets my attention. DeSantis makes a valid point here, although I'd quibble with part of his knock on Trump's promise. As we all know, there really was no Trump Administration as much as there was a Trump. If there was some master list of anti-Deep State operatives that Trump could have employed from, I never saw it. And I never saw it because it didn't exist then. I'm not quite sure that it even exists now. I'm glad, however, that some effort is being made to do this. We now need to see if the rest of the GOP/RNC is on board as well. If not, this is just vaporware.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (/iWhV)

186 I will never vote for Christie, Haley or Pence.

Trump yes, DeSantis maybe. The Indian American man who I can never remember his name, maybe.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (DcKNO)

187 Besides, it's not like 30 years of complete unwillingness to talk about anything other than capital gains taxation has done the party any harm in the electorate.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (ppBhU)

What gives you the impression I am pro-tranny or am a GOPe type?

Reality is reality. We live in a Republic. We need to act like it. We= right wingers.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (a1d87)

188 Hilariously, an idiot I know just asked me to donate to Chrispie Kreme's campaign.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (upe25)

189 It was a trap. How will DeSantis not get likewise trapped by the DC-IC-MSM-NGO tag team?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (waLMR)

How will Trump not get trapped in it? He's already in it!

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (pwExq)

190 DeSantis has assembled a brain trust of academics, members of Congress, and former administration officials to

Noticeably absent from that list.
An Media Empire.
Actual Assassins.

Posted by: DaveA at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (FhXTo)

191 Didn't Clinton come in and fire all Federal prosecutors nationwide?
If he is not afraid of the left's reaction, the news media caterwauling, he can get things done. All current Biden appointments are out the door. Pardon the J6ers. Fire special counsels. Create new special counsels to investigate Hunter and his cronies.
All it requires is the will to not be the love of hte media. Courage to stand up. I think Trump wanted/s the adoration that he was used to and so gave in when he shoudl have stood strong.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (t/2Uw)

192
Willowed from this am:

As was stated above, everyone needs to watch this YouTube video concerning the false Trump indictment. Trump needs to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxCDVOmGPlo

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at June 13, 2023 09:50 AM

Trump needs to hire that lawyer. Today.
BTW: This is an hour long, but worth every minute.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (enJYY)

193
Look, I'm an open god damned Salazar fanboy so idk what definition of "hard right" I don't fall under.

But I want to win and make effectual changes.
Posted by: Thesokorus

Maria Salazar?

https://salazar.house.gov

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (63Dwl)

194 Trump yes, DeSantis maybe. The Indian American man who I can never remember his name, maybe.
Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (DcKNO)

Ramaswamy. (whose name I can never spell out right the first time.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (zZu0s)

195 "He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years."

This is probably my biggest practical reason for preferring DeSantis over Trump, but I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (oxSjI)

196 National Review (who?) with a relevant hot take, showing their keen grasp of the Republican base:

Ron DeSantis Is Picking Some Strange Battles. He pledged to appoint Supreme Court justices who will “do better” than Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett, saying "I think they [Alito and Thomas] are the gold standard, and so my justices will be along the lines of a Sam Alito and a Clarence Thomas.

I doubt that Republican primary voters will warmly and enthusiastically embrace the argument that Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett represent some sort of disappointment, and that the next Republican president needs to “do better” than those three.

At the risk of an oversimplification, all three justices have libertarian streaks or an overall skepticism of state power that does not always align with the interests of the Republican Party on every single issue.

Posted by: Intercepted NRO Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (oOxV9)

197 You can think its a red herring, but it's the way of the world. If we can't get rid of an agency full of soft talking radio poofters, then we aren't going to get rid of tens of thousands of armed agents.
Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (pwExq)

Well, we actually can't right now. And it will piss off "normies". Idk what to tell you. That's way downriver from now.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (a1d87)

198 Trump was all talk, he governed a lot different than his rallies and tweets.

It’s all moot anyway, Trump is completely unelectable and won’t be President. Even Trump supporters will concede this.

At least DeSantis has a record of getting things done and has a shot with the people Trump lost forever.

Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (Fj0B+)

199 For the 'Ron commenters from the frosty North (andycanuck and AOP):

https://tinyurl.com/2ts97xs5
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (zZu0s)

Does...does she have the word 'respect' tattooed above her pelvic mound?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (xcxpd)

200 No, don’t move the Dept of Ed, nuke it.
It does not need to exist.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (waLMR)

201 Need men with guns around the voting machines. Need more men with guns to physical get him to office with out getting murdered

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (/VhO1)

202 I found the ideal location for the FBI's new HQ:
Utqiagvik, Alaska

It's on US soil, so what's the problem?

Posted by: weew at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (EaEMG)

203 That Hat gal I just linked looks FAR better in the face in that picture than when I looked her up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (zZu0s)

204 177 If Asa H or any other GOPe dupe wins the primary, I won't vote for that spineless wonder.
Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at

I feel like it will be Pence. He paid his dues to the caliphate. Sigh.

Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (ZdaMQ)

205 This is probably my biggest practical reason for preferring DeSantis over Trump, but I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.
Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (oxSjI)

Facile stuff from Ron. He could be DJT's VP and have 8yrs yo make it 12yrs.

This is dumb verging on Never-Trump.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (a1d87)

206 Thinking bout it Emmie.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (pohLc

Cool! Thanks! Hope to meet you!

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (Emce2)

207 I found what I was looking for. This was on his agenda when the dems stole the election.

"Trump spoke Tuesday at an event hosted by the America First Policy Institute, a think tank founded by former staffers in his administration. His speech came on the heels of an Axios report last week that former White House aides are planning to revive the controversial Schedule F, a job classification system that would take current federal workers in “policy-related” positions out of the competitive service, stripping them of civil service protections and making them effectively at-will employees."

Posted by: DanMan at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (DB6tu)

208 171 Wow. The shitlibs have learned to love nuclear weaponry.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (a1d87)

People don't realize how close to nuclear annihilation we are. The West easily could make a false move now and set one off even though they want the grift to continue forever. It is why no one other than a Deep State puppet ever will be in a position to end such a war. The grift will go on until things go "boom."

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (KSNKu)

209 169 156. I am a no on Christie, Haley and Pence. Open to the others.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (YIXBr)

For me, there are only three that are even in the conversation. Trump - number one by a whole lot. DeSantis - he shouldn't be running now, but I'll give him the #2 spot. Vivek Ramaswamy - I really, really like him so far. Tied for #2, and my pick for VP under Trump.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (/iWhV)

210 E.O. no. 2.

There is now a bounty of $100,000 on each and every employee and appointee of every federal law enforcement agency, brought in live and under restraint. Said bounty to be paid, tax free, to any U.S. Citizen, and is not available to non-citizens, up to and including green card holdesrs.

This is how you begin to get a grasp on dealing with the Deep State. Apply to other agencies, as needed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 13, 2023 12:37 PM (e6UQI)

Can we redeem a scalp at the local USPO?

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (BRHaw)

211
announcing this is a good way to get assassinated by the Deep State before election day
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (V6W16)

Why?

Assume DeSantis means every word of what he says. The Party and State would obviously want to keep him out, and would cheat like crazy to do it. The cheat would almost certainly work. But if not? Still - just a bump in the road. DeSantis (or anyone) who outflanked all the safeguards in place to protect and fortify Our Sacred Democracy would simply be sidelined, ignored, investigated, and prosecuted until he was out of the way again.

Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (oINRc)

212 Does...does she have the word 'respect' tattooed above her pelvic mound?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (xcxpd)

LOL. Did not catch that one. I have the perception of a trailer hitch around deep cleavage.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (zZu0s)

213 Governor Meatball seems to have the right idea.

Get elected than go to the mattresses and put a boot in the ass of every federal layabout.

Fire as many of their asses as he can and move the rest around the kountry.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (dQWfI)

214 Trump is completely unelectable and won’t be President. Even Trump supporters will concede this.
----------

There are some really funny DeSantis People.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (kA+fp)

215 No? Wat is to keep DeSantis's admin from filling up immediately with Pences and Reice's to compromise any real action and smother it all under pillows like they did with what Trump wanted done?

A learning curve. DeSantis has the benefit of watching Trump's term, and seeing what he did wrong, what worked, and what didn't work. Also, because he already has a team in FL, he's able to hit the ground running, unlike Trump, who had very few people he could trust.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (eOEVl)

216 176 DeSantis asked why Trump didn’t get this done?
Because the guy he hired to do this, who had been inside IC and knew it well enough to know who/where it was most dysfunctional and corrupt, was entrapped into legal battle after the election. Then Trump and Pence didn’t back Flynn up. Then immediately the deep state started investigating Trump Russia hoax, asserting that any action on IC was hindering the investigation, a coverup, and the Left threatened riots should he do so.

It was a trap. How will DeSantis not get likewise trapped by the DC-IC-MSM-NGO tag team?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (waLMR)
_______

As a governor, he'll already have a team ready, which is something Trump didn't have. Also, he'd know enough to see it coming, and could pardon a Flynn case.

(Failure to pardon the 1/6 protesters while he could is the biggest strike against Trump, IMO. And he had 2 weeks to do it.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (brAQZ)

217 For the 'Ron commenters from the frosty North (andycanuck and AOP):

https://tinyurl.com/2ts97xs5
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (zZu0s)

I laughed at the location of the "respect" tattoo.

Posted by: spindrift at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (ivvNA)

218 If your erection lasts more than 4 hours you might wish to vote for Desantis.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (q8K/U)

219 Good for DeSantis.

Hope has really good security.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (lGYqC)

220 That's one thing that worries me about Trump. He was president for 4 years and left in basically every crappy government official and Obama loyalist, until it was too late, only in the waning weeks of his presidency did he put anyone who wanted to clean house in.

He'll claim it wad because Democrats threatened to impeach him if he did.... and they impeached him anyway.

Id rather DeSantis win, and appoint some of the Trump hardliners to important positions. Shit gimme Harmeet as Attorney General, Flynn back in charge of spy agencies or whatever he's allowed to be (make a full pardon right before) and Kash Patel as Secretary of curb stomping libs, if Republicans in Congress don't line up in luck step behind thr nominations let them know you'll work hard to destroy them every way possible.

It's time Republicans act like Democrats when it comes to making every single government job partisan. I want some flag waving, maga viking as chief national dog catcher if need be.

Posted by: Rbastid at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (9qnK7)

221 I'll just leave this here......

https://is.gd/I54Ybv

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)

222 Y'all are going to be laughing at yourselves that you ever supported this goof lol

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (gdzWP)

223 what if Trump's in jail next year

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (geLO8)

224 Dammit. I missed the MoMe in NOVA..

it was that or a wedding with the wife.

it was a close one but I picked the wife

Posted by: Blanco at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (F0+HC)

225 He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck.

--

That's why Trump/Desantis is just about the only chance we've got.

It offers the energy for a miracle to overcome the cheat, and it puts Desantis in place for dirty work AND 2028 and beyond.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (etIVw)

226 You are getting more nonsensical by the day.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (ZCCyW)

Thanks man.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (a1d87)

227 not voting for meathead. actually not voting at all. unless... nevermind.
Posted by: slubdog at June 13, 2023 12:30 PM (yMKLy)
********
Joe Biden and the Democrats thank you.

Just think how bad it's going to get if they win.

All the appointments of MORE leftist judges, possible SCOTUS appointments.
Reparations, DC and Puerto Rico a state. Say goodbye to guns, gas cars, gas stoves, dryers, washing machines and you and your children will be forced to accept the trans religion or be fired, expelled or jailed.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (NpAcC)

228 No, don’t move the Dept of Ed, nuke it.
It does not need to exist.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM (waLMR)

That's a bingo.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (kA+fp)

229 I feel like it will be Pence. He paid his dues to the caliphate. Sigh.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (ZdaMQ)

Then my conundrum will be, actively vote for the demonic dem, or passively vote for the demonic dem by sitting out?

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (Emce2)

230 221 I'll just leave this here......

https://is.gd/I54Ybv
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)

Hotbrassery

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (xcxpd)

231 Does...does she have the word 'respect' tattooed above her pelvic mound?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Irony. Like the girl I knew who got a Proverbs 31:10 tattoo.

"Who can find a virtuous woman?..."

Well fuck, guess I'll keep looking then.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (iKBwy)

232 His donors are deep state. Like Trump, he could dismantle the deep state in 6 months. Like Trump, he won't.

Posted by: Valiant at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (cy2xC)

233 I was listening to Dan Dakich on Outkick this morning, something I rarely ever do, and he was saying that all this election bullshit is irrelevant for Republicans, because until they learn to cheat as well as the Democrats do, they will never win an election again.
I agree with him 100% but I never hear any Republicans or conservative commentators talking about it. What I want to hear from Republicans (Trump & DeSantis) is how they are going to match the Democrats ballot harvesting, no chain of custody voting (i.e. cheating) operation. If you don't win you can't change anything.
Everything else I hear from the Republican candidates is just useless noise at this point. Stop promising shit, get off your asses, and tell me point by point how you are going to win the, corrupt voting, swing states!

PS - It is sad when I realize that the Democrat majority in the Senate is because they have four (!!!) senators from Georgia and Arizona and 1 each from West Virginia and Montana. (Pardon me, I am just going to nip off and shoot myself. Don't worry, I'll be very humane.)

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (MFZ8i)

234 Trump laying out what he’s going to do “this time” is maddening. Fuck you, you had your chance. I guess Kushner overruled him.

He couldn’t even fire Fauci on his way out.

Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (Fj0B+)

235 What gives you the impression I am pro-tranny or am a GOPe type?

Your John Kasich-like 1990s style "please, no more culture war" bullshit.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (ppBhU)

236 I am a no on Christie, Haley and Pence. Open to the others.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (YIXBr)

So I have a chance.

Posted by: Tim Scott at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (aD39U)

237 Having Victor Davis Hanson advise him is a negative for me.

He writes endlessly how bad things are; all the rules, regulations and norms violated.

Then proposes to follow the rules.
It's "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" give a rousing speech and shames all the villains into reform.

End it, don't mend it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (0QVEQ)

238 Noticeably absent from that list.
An Media Empire.
Actual Assassins.
Posted by: DaveA at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (FhXTo)

RDS doesn't need those names on a list. Theoretically, he has major parts of the Florida police demonstrating fanatic loyalty to him. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and even Barack Obama both have agents who will enthusiastically take and hand out bullets in their name.

Hillary Clinton didn't, and I was in a position to see for myself on two separate occasions.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (ZyRtd)

239 Jesus, a lot of you would be better off moving to Canada and partaking in the euthanasia products that they apparently supply to anyone for all the loser talk I'm reading.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (TkdUX)

**shrugs**

Someone's going to be eating a plate of crow next November. I highly doubt it will be me.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (AW0uW)

240 List how DeSantis plans to get a fire breathing Attorney General confirmed thru the senate.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (gFoGk)

241 Cool! Thanks! Hope to meet you!
Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (Emce2)

Heh! Careful what you wish for

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (pohLc)

242 Ron > > > Don.

DJT's Ego > > > > > ....

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (lZVy/)

243 "President Trump confirmed tonight that “Pandora’s box has been opened”

He said AG Bill Barr was a coward for not going after DC elites, but he somewhat understood preserving that norm

But this indictment changed everything

The gloves are off now"

==========

What does this mean?
Trump can barely get 5 competent lawyers to represent him. How, exactly, is he going to "take the gloves off"?

He has no power and may be in prison this time next year.

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (i7Q7S)

244 Link to article. He did authorize it by executive order but did not get a chance to implement it.

https://tinyurl.com/yc5zm59b

Posted by: DanMan at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (DB6tu)

245 BTW, The flag bikini girl, send that butterface my way. She is most pleasing to me eye!

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (pohLc)

246 I like DeSantis, a lot. He needs to wait.

Posted by: Pamazon at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (fIB4m)

247
Hotbrassery
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:45 PM (xcxpd)

You won't see anything like THAT in a Canadian flag bikini.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (Zz0t1)

248 I'd vote for Idi Amin if his platform was vote integrity.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (zZu0s)

249 I am a no on Christie, Haley and Pence. Open to the others.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 13, 2023 12:38 PM (YIXBr)

So I have a chance.
Posted by: Tim Scott

Me three!

Posted by: Swamy at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (lZVy/)

250 nurse rachet,

wish i could be with you guys in Oregon for a meet up of rons and ettes.

have a good one.

Posted by: halit0 at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (1XWxw)

251 Clinton fired all the Attorneys Generals.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (waLMR)

252 For the 'Ron commenters from the frosty North (andycanuck and AOP):
---------
Not bush-fire smoke reparations to African-Americans?!!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (Vwz3I)

253 Dammit. I missed the MoMe in NOVA..

it was that or a wedding with the wife.

it was a close one but I picked the wife
Posted by: Blanco at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (F0+HC)

Good of you to make an honest woman of her.

Posted by: Obligatory at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (n2ffX)

254 I'll just leave this here......

https://is.gd/I54Ybv
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM

Good trigger discipline.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (Wnv9h)

255 As the months go on what an actual DeSantis administration would look like begins to flesh out. Given his successful record in Florida,

WITH a cooperative state legislature. Don't forget that. They are on his side. Unlike DC.
Posted by: rickb223

Having a hostile house has barely slowed up Obama's 3rd administration from taking us down the road of a police state - see Trump for details about how that is done - as one example. These rogue agencies are subservient to the President, there is a meaningful chance they can be reigned in with a relentless pressure. Tough to do. You bet. Next question, who else is shaping up to go down this path? Trump? He is a street fighter when a strategic battle is called for. We will see how DeSantis holds up over the coming months but this is a good start.

Posted by: Lost In Space at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (qxLut)

256
DJT's Ego > > > > > ....
Posted by: Joe Mama at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (lZVy/)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest Owebama's ego is bigger.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

257 People don't realize how close to nuclear annihilation we are. The West easily could make a false move now and set one off even though they want the grift to continue forever. It is why no one other than a Deep State puppet ever will be in a position to end such a war. The grift will go on until things go "boom."
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (KSNKu)

There is obv a lunatic faction in US Gov. There are other factions in Pentagon. Less insane. But still delusional.

This conflict in UKR is a negotiation for the more sane ones.

They'll make RUS demonstrate their capabilities and will before coming to the table.

But the neo-con/libs will do everything they can to start global nuclear exchange.

It's horrible

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (a1d87)

258 Assume DeSantis means every word of what he says. The Party and State would obviously want to keep him out, and would cheat like crazy to do it. The cheat would almost certainly work. But if not? Still - just a bump in the road. DeSantis (or anyone) who outflanked all the safeguards in place to protect and fortify Our Sacred Democracy would simply be sidelined, ignored, investigated, and prosecuted until he was out of the way again.

Ask me how I know.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (oINRc)

As a preface, DeSantis has been an excellent governor and I wish he would be allowed to be an effective president.

The reality is that the only way we would know if someone could pose an actual threat to the Deep State is if that person were murdered by it. That's the reality. This is a totalitarian state now and just because we can bitch about that on a forum with limited reach does not make it less so.

That aside

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (KSNKu)

259 Clinton fired all the Attorneys Generals.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (waLMR)

And GWB was filleted for doing the EXACT SAME THING.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

260 I love American voters. I just had two for lunch!

Posted by: zombie idi amin, vc with bar at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (Vwz3I)

261 217 For the 'Ron commenters from the frosty North (andycanuck and AOP):

https://tinyurl.com/2ts97xs5
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:39 PM (zZu0s)

I laughed at the location of the "respect" tattoo.
Posted by: spindrift at June 13, 2023 12:44 PM (ivvNA)
_______

Or did it really say "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here"?

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (brAQZ)

262 If DeSantis (or Trump) wanted to abolish the FBI, would he have to go through Congress and get a law passed abolishing it, or could he just do it on his own authority as head of the executive branch?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (lGYqC)

263 238 Noticeably absent from that list.
An Media Empire.
Actual Assassins.
Posted by: DaveA at June 13, 2023 12:41 PM (FhXTo)

RDS doesn't need those names on a list. Theoretically, he has major parts of the Florida police demonstrating fanatic loyalty to him. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and even Barack Obama both have agents who will enthusiastically take and hand out bullets in their name.

Hillary Clinton didn't, and I was in a position to see for myself on two separate occasions.
Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:46 PM (ZyRtd)

Unless DeSantis starts talking up the formation of a new security force, an Inquisition, to safeguard the security of the Republic from domestic threats, I'm going to assume he's not going to be doing the radical things necessary.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (eYoxG)

264 Clinton fired all the Attorneys Generals.
Posted by: Lizzy

That's standard. It's when he fired the travel office that raised eyebrows.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (gFoGk)

265 Here's one for you.

If any DeSantis People are wrong about DeSantis based on their judgment of his record so far and he turns out to be just another Machine Republican (imagine!), will said DeSantis People promise to never again criticize Trump for who he trusted?

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (kA+fp)

266

Think about that. 35,000 people work for the FBI, and many many more.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (UCNv1)

267 Time for some dancing feet.

Cash Box Kings
Ain't No Fun (When the Rabbit Got the Gun)

https://youtu.be/MG5_K64Rkg0

Posted by: Lost In Space at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (qxLut)

268 262 If DeSantis (or Trump) wanted to abolish the FBI, would he have to go through Congress and get a law passed abolishing it, or could he just do it on his own authority as head of the executive branch?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (lGYqC)

Yeah, the President would need the legislature to abolish the FBI.

While people talk about co-equal branches, that's really BS. Power is largely invested in the legislature.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:51 PM (eYoxG)

269 If DeSantis (or Trump) wanted to abolish the FBI, would he have to go through Congress and get a law passed abolishing it, or could he just do it on his own authority as head of the executive branch?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

--

I heard it being discussed on the radio recently, and I think the FBI is some weird concoction of an EO of the Attorney General or something else similarly fragile. The problem is the will to do anything, because there has been nothing but psy-ops against the public to remind everyone how awesome and heroic they are ever since the early 80s.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:51 PM (etIVw)

270 And GWB was filleted for doing the EXACT SAME THING.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

-----

Bush was a globalist worm who never got in front of the cameras and said over and over, this is what Presidents do, just like Clinton.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:51 PM (DcKNO)

271 RonnieD could always try the "can ah get me a huntin' license in heah, y'all?"

Posted by: micky at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (3byMq)

272 I have read some on Idi Amin. I don't think voting integrity was one of his triggers.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (pohLc)

273 because there has been nothing but psy-ops against the public to remind everyone how awesome and heroic they are ever since the early 80s.

--

Wait, the early 80s is when the FBI began openly accepting communists, isn't it?

Probably not related.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (etIVw)

274 -----

Bush was a globalist worm who never got in front of the cameras and said over and over, this is what Presidents do, just like Clinton.
Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:51 PM (DcKNO)

Well, because that's not who we are, silly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (Zz0t1)

275
Unless DeSantis starts talking up the formation of a new security force, an Inquisition, to safeguard the security of the Republic from domestic threats, I'm going to assume he's not going to be doing the radical things necessary.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (eYoxG)

We absolutely need a new raft kf parallel Institutions.

For competition for resources alone.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (a1d87)

276 259 Clinton fired all the Attorneys Generals.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (waLMR)

And GWB was filleted for doing the EXACT SAME THING.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

GWB did it late making it easier to make hay out of it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (eYoxG)

277 .If DeSantis (or Trump) wanted to abolish the FBI, would he have to go through Congress and get a law passed abolishing it, or could he just do it on his own authority as head of the executive branch?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

well, the LE agency that eventually morphed into the FBI was created by an act of Congress- I imagine it would take a similar effort to dismantle it

this of course will never happen

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (geLO8)

278 Politicians running for office sure talk a great game but over the last 40 years the taxes have gone up, debt exploded, freedoms squashed, the GIVERnment got bigger and more oppressive...... The bar is so low that if DeSantis wins the election and actually cuts spending by $1 dollar and fires one person; I would be impressed.

Posted by: bang-a-gong at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (+9+1q)

279 We will see how DeSantis holds up over the coming months but this is a good start.
Posted by: Lost In Space at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM

Coming months? How about hours? Opportunity is knocking on his door *today* like Sheldon on Big Bang Theory.

"Ron?" knock-knock "Ron?" knock-knock "Ron?" knock-knock

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 12:52 PM (iKBwy)

280 "DeSantis knocked Trump's promise to "tame the Deep State in six months," asking why it wasn't done during Trump's four year term. He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years." - Ace from the OP

DeSantis made a mistake, here. First, Trump ran on a the message "Make America Great Again" and "Drain The Swamp". No one in the Uniparty expected him to beat Hillary, least of all Barry and Mitch. The only people with federal administrative experience were 99% GOPe. Add to that Paul Ryan as House Speaker and a unified MSM-IC-DOJ opposition bloc, and yeah, nothing much was going to happen. So DeSantis blows part one, "he didn't do nuthin'" and then Ron blows part two, "single term Don". The easy layup answer to that is "Second Term Don, followed by Two Term Ron". Amateur.

Posted by: mrp at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (rj6Yv)

281 What makes no sense to me is DeSantis is not Jen Bush. I could understand a case to be made if it was say a likely loss to Joe Biden versus the GOP going in some super squish political party. DeSantis is to the Right of everyone, including Trump.

Trump was never all that conservative. He’s given way too much slack on every other issue simply over his stance on the border.

Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (Fj0B+)

282 And GWB was filleted for doing the EXACT SAME THING.
-----------
And forced to fire the Latino one. [Alberto Gonzales -- thanks Wiki.]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (Vwz3I)

283 I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest Owebama's ego is bigger.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

His theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBAl9cchQac

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (lZVy/)

284 For the lulz I hope DJT calls Ron "meatwad" instead of "meatball".

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (a1d87)

285 Promising to unleash that BDE.

Big DeSantis Energy that is.

Posted by: What did you think I meant, perv? at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (fE1zA)

286 It’s all moot anyway, Trump is completely unelectable and won’t be President. Even Trump supporters will concede this.

At least DeSantis has a record of getting things done and has a shot with the people Trump lost forever.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:42 PM

Glad the selective weaponization of the justice system is effective for the Left, with tacit support from the GOPe leadership on board with the uniparty.

Really weird how they don't seem to be pursuing similar courses of action against DeSantis, who they assure me is literal Hitler and promises to destroy the Deep State, just like Trump did.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (JCZqz)

287 Back Patronage! Abolish Civil Service.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (aD39U)

288 White House gift shop is trending on Twitter-

ProudArmyBrat
@leslibless
32m
The White House gift shop is selling a commemorative coin marking todays indictment of Trump.

It doesn’t matter who ‘owns’ or runs it - THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

Posted by: redridinghood at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (NpAcC)

289 Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!

Posted by: Jen Bush at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (Vwz3I)

290
The real problem is the Deep State know this, and are setting up traps, deeper entrenchment, and triggers to ensure that he is hamstrung all the way.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (+oR7L)

291 Clinton fired all the US district attorneys upon taking office

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (geLO8)

292 If Biden were to fire a nuke at Florida, would the button pusher push?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (/VhO1)

293 It was the US Attorneys that Clinton and Bush fired, not attorneys general.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (lGYqC)

294 . The Indian American man who I can never remember his name, maybe.
Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:40 PM (DcKNO)

Ramaswamy. (whose name I can never spell out right the first time.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Be careful of this guy. He's recently said some things that I found very non-conservative.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (sei1f)

295 284 For the lulz I hope DJT calls Ron "meatwad" instead of "meatball".
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (a1d87)

Meatwad make the money, see
Meatwad get the honeys, G

Posted by: Make the homies say "hooo" and the girlies wanna scream at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (fE1zA)

296 I wish DeSantis would have waited. But my wishes and that pile of shit on a street in SF in front of a nice restaurant will only get you shit.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (DcKNO)

297 248 I'd vote for Idi Amin if his platform was vote integrity.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:48 PM (zZu0s)

This is the only issue that we should be running on. Even illegal immigration is #2, but you can roll this into #1 very nicely.

Without a sustained, unified effort by the entire GOP - from top to bottom - shouting from the rooftops at every opportunity that the last election was stolen - and you don't even need to include the ballot counts when you do that - there is no path to 270 in 2024. If we don't fix this now, future elections simply won't matter anymore.

It's worth it to me to lose 2024 - and all that it may entail, up to and including losing Clarence Thomas' seat before 2028 - if we can somehow get bipartisan revulsion over these election shenanigans, and a post-Watergate style overhaul of the system. If the few sane and silent liberals left don't see this and join us to act to change this system, it will never get done.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 12:55 PM (/iWhV)

298 Unless DeSantis starts talking up the formation of a new security force, an Inquisition, to safeguard the security of the Republic from domestic threats, I'm going to assume he's not going to be doing the radical things necessary.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:50 PM (eYoxG)

Anyone can talk. Demonstrating a professional, loyal, and above all legitimate force by having Florida authorities confiscate the guns of DoJ and FBI officers around the former President- only until Donald Trump returns to Mar-a-Lago, and with official receipts granted until then- would certainly indicate a man who's thought these things through.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:55 PM (ZyRtd)

299 For the lulz I hope DJT calls Ron "meatwad" instead of "meatball".
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (a1d87)

Only if he can do it in the Meatwad voice.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:55 PM (Zz0t1)

300 281 What makes no sense to me is DeSantis is not Jen Bush. I could understand a case to be made if it was say a likely loss to Joe Biden versus the GOP going in some super squish political party. DeSantis is to the Right of everyone, including Trump.

Trump was never all that conservative. He’s given way too much slack on every other issue simply over his stance on the border.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:53 PM (Fj0B+)

Well using this issue as an example, DeSantis is essentially promising to try the same thing Trump was doing. But y'know, better or whatever.

DeSantis's main differentiating point would potentially be on spending bills, which is not a high priority(as we're screwed anyways) and potentially splits the new coalition.

Their policy positions are largely identical.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:55 PM (eYoxG)

301 Be careful of this guy. He's recently said some things that I found very non-conservative.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (sei1f)

-----

Please inform us. I'm in a mood to cross more half-assed (or quarter-assed) conservatives off the list.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (DcKNO)

302 Only if he can do it in the Meatwad voice.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:55 PM (Zz0t1)

"Jesus, i don't ask for much, and I am an idiot sinner, but pls give me this. Please."

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (a1d87)

303 290
The real problem is the Deep State know this, and are setting up traps, deeper entrenchment, and triggers to ensure that he is hamstrung all the way.
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (+oR7L)

Those are in place and institutionalized now.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (KSNKu)

304 286
Trump routinely does stupid shit that gets him in legal hot water. Paying off hookers with campaign money, waving around classified docs and bragging he’s not allowed to have them, etc.

Yes, he has been unfairly singled out, but he’s also an idiot.

Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.

Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)

305 Really weird how they don't seem to be pursuing similar courses of action against DeSantis, who they assure me is literal Hitler and promises to destroy the Deep State, just like Trump did.
Posted by: Moron Analyst

Yet. They will.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (iKBwy)

306 268 are these fbi folks not union employees? thanks to Kennedy via EO, they cant be fired or abolished. just my 1/2 cent worth.

Posted by: halit0 at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (1XWxw)

307
I would absolutely support an Idi Amin kind of candidate. What's he gonna do? Fuck the country up harder and faster than the Party? Not gonna happen. He wasn't competent to fuck things up on the scale that the DC regime is.

And, such a candidate *would* physically consume the leaders of the ancien regime. Wouldn't it be nice to see some caveman feast on a roast Brandon with a side of McConnell flambe?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (oINRc)

308 The bureaucracy is easily defeated. They value their creature comforts above all else. Turn off their air conditioning in the DC summer, and their heat in the DC winter, and they'll quit in droves. Transfer those that remain to Auuuuugh New Mexico, and Deep Horse Alaska, send the CIA in disguise to infiltrate Emperor Penguin flocks in Antarctica. (Dress them in James Bond Tuxedos with paper Mache wings and bills. Penguins are stupid birds, easily fooled. Check to get their opinions on glowbull warming.)

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (CecP5)

309 292 If Biden were to fire a nuke at Florida, would the button pusher push?
Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (/VhO1)

Certainly, provided it didn't damage his nail polish.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (pohLc)

310 There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits the President from firing any person working at any administrative agency.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (sX1BW)

311 "Trump has always been very respectful of the limits of his presidential powers. Including during Covid.

Which is not exactly what we need, but it's a consistent behavior of his.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:36 PM (eYoxG)"

Which, by the way is not exactly a bad predilection. It's how the government has run for years, and how we continually transferred power. But you'll notice across the span of history it's been the Democrat Party who has broken those traditions and shattered the social contract. They've gone full YOLO now, and they're counting on Republicans maintaining a posture of tradition, and not crossing the same lines they did. That's why now more than ever is a time for actions solutions that destroy the forces in our bureaucracy who have essentially created a Fourth Branch. They need to be crushed and anyone who doesn't have the shoes or courage to do it should go sell ice in hell.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (H/XYA)

312 By the way I criticized Trump all the time for who he trusted.

Barr being number one when many here called me an asshole for saying so. Pence being another and that was from Day 1.

But I also admit "they" have more than one way of getting to people and maybe some Trump associates didn't begin as traitors but were turned through varying methods of coercion.

All I'm saying is it's incredible to see all these rock ribbed *guarantees* that a career government official like DeSantis is totes mcgotes from people who throw stones at the poor judgment of others. At least take a step back for two seconds.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:57 PM (z12XB)

313 Man, just imagine if Trump had been smart.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:57 PM (etIVw)

314 The White House gift shop is selling a commemorative coin marking todays indictment of Trump.

It doesn’t matter who ‘owns’ or runs it - THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Posted by: redridinghood

Right next to the Pride Day merch!

Posted by: WH Gift Shop at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (lZVy/)

315 Trump routinely does stupid shit that gets him in legal hot water. Paying off hookers with campaign money, waving around classified docs and bragging he’s not allowed to have them, etc.

Yes, he has been unfairly singled out, but he’s also an idiot.

Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)

Yet, has he done any of what you just said?

It's been proven multiple times that he did NOT use any campaign money to pay off Daniels.

And why would he wave documents around that he's "not supposed to have" when he's president and can have any f*cking document he wants?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)

316
The White House gift shop is selling a commemorative coin marking todays indictment of Trump.

-------

Yeah.

This system can *totally* be fixed. Barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (oINRc)

317 I keep telling you all, the ideal for our time is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. He knew how it was done.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (brAQZ)

318 Man, just imagine if Trump had been smart.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:57 PM (etIVw)

I like to imagine the Republicans being pro-America.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (aD39U)

319 311
Which, by the way is not exactly a bad predilection. It's how the government has run for years, and how we continually transferred power. But you'll notice across the span of history it's been the Democrat Party who has broken those traditions and shattered the social contract. They've gone full YOLO now, and they're counting on Republicans maintaining a posture of tradition, and not crossing the same lines they did. That's why now more than ever is a time for actions solutions that destroy the forces in our bureaucracy who have essentially created a Fourth Branch. They need to be crushed and anyone who doesn't have the shoes or courage to do it should go sell ice in hell.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (H/XYA)

Well the problem with DeSantis in this regard is he is presenting himself as a reformist in the same mold as Trump. If he starts indicating he will go all the way then it is worth looking at. But a sales pitch for the same incremental approach? Eh.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (eYoxG)

320 Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)

Lol shill. +74mil voters are calling you a wuss right now.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (8AAoJ)

321 Trump impeachment was started day q, don't think DeSantis will do any better except maybe knowing it's coming

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (II0jt)

322 Really weird how they don't seem to be pursuing similar courses of action against DeSantis, who they assure me is literal Hitler and promises to destroy the Deep State, just like Trump did.
Posted by: Moron Analyst

He's not the nominee yet. IF that happens, you'll see a whole new level of war from the media.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)

323 Trump wasn't dumb, but he WAS naive.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (pohLc)

324 They all tell you what you want to hear.

Posted by: Just what everyone was waiting to hear at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (Uy/WF)

325 This may have already been posted! But its the best total decimation of the completely Unconstitutional and retarded case presented by the DOJ in the Trump "document" case:

https://tinyurl.com/5n8nsf75

Posted by: Boswell at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (K+UlC)

326 Unless DeSantis starts talking up the formation of a new security force, an Inquisition, to safeguard the security of the Republic from domestic threats, I'm going to assume he's not going to be doing the radical things necessary.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!

We absolutely need a new raft kf parallel Institutions.

For competition for resources alone.

Posted by: Thesokorus

WTH. Did you people learn nothing? Yes, let"s set up a loyalty group to police dissidents. Maybe they should wear brown shirts. Or have their own symbol.
Who decides who is a domestic terrorist?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)

327 I love the comments that are like "well if Ron doesn't already have hundreds of guillotines built by now, he's obviously not going to be up to leading the Thermadorian Reaction, and anything less is simply not acceptable"

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (5C4od)

328 317 I keep telling you all, the ideal for our time is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. He knew how it was done.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (brAQZ)

True. So true.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (8AAoJ)

329 304 286
Trump routinely does stupid shit that gets him in legal hot water. Paying off hookers with campaign money, waving around classified docs and bragging he’s not allowed to have them, etc.

Yes, he has been unfairly singled out, but he’s also an idiot.

Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)

The "crime" was not paying off Daniels with campaign money. As in, the non-criminal way to do it is allegedly to use campaign money. Hence Trump is at fault for using personal money.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (eYoxG)

330 This is a cruel move, and I approve.

*pookysgirl does literal spit take*

Posted by: pookysgirl was lucky she wasn't near her keyboard at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (dtlDP)

331 323> Yes, he was. It was hard to watch at times.

Posted by: Just what everyone was waiting to hear at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (Uy/WF)

332 327 I love the comments that are like "well if Ron doesn't already have hundreds of guillotines built by now, he's obviously not going to be up to leading the Thermadorian Reaction, and anything less is simply not acceptable"

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (5C4od)

He could at least say something new instead of copying Trump maybe?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (eYoxG)

333 Who decides who is a domestic terrorist?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)

The ppl who win elections do. It's a Republic.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:01 PM (8AAoJ)

334
Unless DeSantis starts talking up the formation of a new security force, an Inquisition

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I'll see you an Inquisition, and raise you an Oprichnina. Old ways are best ways. Really old ways.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 01:01 PM (oINRc)

335 Posted by: MichaelN at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (flwTd)

He seems nice.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 01:01 PM (aD39U)

336 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (eYoxG)

It is likely that polling shows many people are like me and realize elections no longer matter. I'm sure DeSantis is sincere, to be clear, but this would actually require a point by point plan and promises from McConnell and McCarthy they would implement it. Odds of that? Zero.

We live in a totalitarian state and hopefully it will burn out quicker than the Soviet Union did before it and end as peacefully.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 13, 2023 01:01 PM (KSNKu)

337 Checks in... Checks out again

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 01:01 PM (bs+z0)

338 WTH. Did you people learn nothing? Yes, let"s set up a loyalty group to police dissidents. Maybe they should wear brown shirts. Or have their own symbol.
Who decides who is a domestic terrorist?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)

Yeah, we paid attention to the 20th century. Franco could've sat down and waited for death, or y'know, put down the communists doing this.

You're free to prefer either result.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (eYoxG)

339 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)

Some mobies are too stoopid to be anything less than really obvious about it. "Equate" knows he's lying.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (Jy99s)

340 Sounds like a plan but wouldn't Congress have to approve funding for moving those departments? Are they just going to be folded into existing state offices?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (O9yKG)

341 I bet on irrational optimism in the markets today and it has taken all day for me to make any money.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (aD39U)

342 327 I love the comments that are like "well if Ron doesn't already have hundreds of guillotines built by now, he's obviously not going to be up to leading the Thermadorian Reaction, and anything less is simply not acceptable"

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (5C4od)

I, for one, am not saying that Ron has to have those guillotines ready. What I am saying is that *somebody* has to, and I don't see the effort being made by the people that should be building them now - the RNC and the GOP. I'd be happy for Ron to do this, but he does have his hands full running a state, and I don't expect him to have done a lot of work on this by now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (/iWhV)

343 The White House gift shop is selling a commemorative coin marking todays indictment of Trump.

It doesn’t matter who ‘owns’ or runs it - THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Posted by: redridinghood

++++

Hillary is probably running the cash register.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (r2Mtq)

344 242 Ron > > > Don.

DJT's Ego > > > > > ....
Posted by: Joe Mama at June 13, 2023 12:47 PM (lZVy/)
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> Zaphod (If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now) Beeblebrox

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (MFZ8i)

345 If there is any possibility of winning the war against the DS then who comes after Trump is critical.

This war will not be won in four years. If DeSantis teamed up with Trump we would have a chance but these guys really just care about getting elected and that is just fine because that is how the DS works.

Posted by: pawn at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (wsHtO)

346 I like to imagine the Republicans being pro-America.

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Stop being absurd.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (etIVw)

347 321 Trump impeachment was started day q, don't think DeSantis will do any better except maybe knowing it's coming
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (II0jt)
________

Not seeing things coming was one of Trump's weaknesses. I don't understand how anyone, after 2018, could fail to see the steal coming down the tracks.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (brAQZ)

348 I believe someone here said it earlier today, none of this matters. The dem campaigns will be minimal, they've already prepared thousands of boxes for the ballot harvesting.*

*This is such an insane concept and legal in some states that its craziness cannot be comprehended.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (DcKNO)

349 "Well the problem with DeSantis in this regard is he is presenting himself as a reformist in the same mold as Trump. If he starts indicating he will go all the way then it is worth looking at. But a sales pitch for the same incremental approach? Eh.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (eYoxG)"

I believe he's been much more specific (and he's developing that approach more) as to how it will be done. He's at least serious with his approach and enlisting people who know the bureaucracy to draw up those plans. That is, instead of using it as a throwaway line in posts and speeches. What I really fault Trump for, is not seeing, as the Executive, what was going on and developing the best ways to deal with it. He's easily distracted and not really the executive he pretends to be. There was substantial mismanagement of both people and policy in his term, almost to the point of naïveté. A lot of that won't change and I don't have any confidence that if he's elected, that will change in one term.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (H/XYA)

350 Posted by: MichaelN at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (flwTd)

You know, I have had some contentious exchanges with Ace over the years, but never once did I disrespect him. On that basis, fuck you.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (pohLc)

351 Shrug.

Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (0hOvj)

352 Trump or DeSantis is a hard choice, and it is nice to have a hard choice like this instead of a choice between, say, Romney and Santorum

Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (7cIYz)

353 317 I keep telling you all, the ideal for our time is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. He knew how it was done.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (brAQZ)

The problem is, Sulla may have wanted to restore the republic to Factory Fresh status, but the methods he used ensured it would not happen.

1) Be a good enough general
2) have enough trained soldiers
3) The government can be yours

It IS a similar situation to ours however since Marius started the unprecedented shit, but he responded in kind. Doing nothing is ALSO a trap. What he did did not do what he hoped it would, but... our choices are all shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (zZu0s)

354 323 I don't disagree but who knew what hit him was coming?

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (II0jt)

355 Send the motherfuckers to Puerto Rico, and limit their travel to one work related round trip air flight per year. Everything else is on their personal dime.
Learn to Spanish, pendejos.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (ufFY8)

356 *somebody* has to, and I don't see the effort being made by the people that should be building them now - the RNC and the GOP. I'd be happy for Ron to do this, but he does have his hands full running a state, and I don't expect him to have done a lot of work on this by now.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (/iWhV)

"I'm on it!!!"

- - - - Ronna McDaniel Sipping a Mai Tai on a Beach Somewhere

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (Zz0t1)

357 Trump wasn't dumb, but he WAS naive.

Posted by: Xipe Totec

He had never run for political office. His first mistake was picking Pence. His political advisors constantly steered him wrong. He was reluctant to fire people like Wray because he was unable to handle the media fallout. It all started as soomeone mentioned with not defending Flynn. Then he got traitors like Bolton, McMaster. Milley. His bad choices not limited to Fauci. Did he ever fire any high profile person in his administration?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (t/2Uw)

358 ~~New~~ Senate ~~Minority~~ Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that ~~President-elect Donald Trump~~ Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis is “being really dumb” by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russia’s cyber activities.

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

“So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed ~~businessman~~ governor, he’s being really dumb to do this.”

Posted by: Senator Chuck Schumer, updated for 2023 at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (AzkeT)

359 For me, it all comes back to how the typical deep state criminals and RINO's behave so panicky and desperate over Trump, but not over DeSantis. Not that I don't think DeSantis would try to reel them in, but there's something about Trump --maybe the docs he has on them, or a plan already in motion-- that causes deep staters to behave like he's an existential threat.

I think of Dick Cheney donning a ridiculous cowboy hat and making a ridiculous video about Trump being a "Danger to democracy," and I realize there's no other candidate who can elicit this kind of fear out of Cheney. Trump accomplished the Bush agenda ten times better than Bush, yet Bush compares Trump supporters to terrorists. Very telling.

I kinda like DeSantis, I'm just not seeing that kind of panic elicited by him. Whatever Trump has on these people, I want him to finish the job and I don't care what my moderate/liberal friends think.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (Y0wT4)

360 Some of y'all really need to get some new bullshit to sell. At least change your NIC's.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (H/XYA)

361 Posted by: MichaelN at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (flwTd)

You seem nice.

Goodbye.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (ZCCyW)

362 Who would be tougher against the Deep State? Ron DeSantis or the guy whose wife's underwear drawer was rifled through by the FBI?

Posted by: mrp at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (rj6Yv)

363 there is only one party, and none of us is in it.

Posted by: a broken record at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (sh1GZ)

364 Sounds like a plan but wouldn't Congress have to approve funding for moving those departments? Are they just going to be folded into existing state offices?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (O9yKG)

It's unclear. The neolibs have been doing a lot of things in re the Executive. Restrictions and expansions. Or rather, restrictions for DJT and massive expansions for Barry and Joe.

Theoretically this leaves the Executive very very powerful and largely independent of funding restrictions.

Theoretically.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (8AAoJ)

365 I keep telling you all, the ideal for our time is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. He knew how it was done.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (brAQZ)
*
True. So true.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 1

***
Jus' waitin' for the pro-scriptions to start, boss.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (J2vNu)

366 347 I like to imagine the Republicans being pro-America.

--

Stop being absurd.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 01:03 PM (etIVw)

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lol

If the last few years have taught us anything, it's that no politician, governing board, judge, corporation, media outlet, university, or anyone with billions gives a shit about fixing things so Americans are better off.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (DcKNO)

367 A lame duck president might do better as he's not thinking about his next election.

But I'd still vote for either of them.

And the proper person to take on the Deep State is the President since the Deep State is certainly the Executive Branch and his responsibility.

I understand why a lot of normal people found working with Trump so very hard. He didn't have the institutional knowledge that included how the culture functioned so he was disruptive simply on a normal day. It was their jobs to adjust to HIS style, but no one likes doing that.

It's also easy to start thinking that your expertise means you get to make the rules. Which is where Vindman seems to have come into the picture. The President was supposed to obey, somehow, and do what they told him to do, and he didn't. I never understood why that wasn't completely obvious. Your boss is the boss, not you. If he wants to have a conversation with someone he gets to talk about what he wants to talk about, not follow limits set by your office. It made no sense to me.

Posted by: Synova at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (BD/yx)

368 Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (O9yKG)

Hello there girl. Just saying hey nothing more

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (QeADR)

369
The only way a reformer can achieve anything is if it is 100% clear that the State will comply with his agenda or face an unstoppable popular uprising. And by that time, the regime is already toast, and the reforms are just mop-up.

The political system is not sufficient to meet the needs of the hour.

Dead Republic out front shoulda told ya.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (oINRc)

370 My ultimate dream would be Trump as President and DeSantis as VP. DeSantis could then be a totally focused Deep State Disassembly Czar for 4 years, then take over as POTUS for the next 8 to finish the job!

A guy can dream, can't he?

Posted by: Mags at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (pp1DC)

371 354 317 I keep telling you all, the ideal for our time is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. He knew how it was done.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (brAQZ)

The problem is, Sulla may have wanted to restore the republic to Factory Fresh status, but the methods he used ensured it would not happen.

1) Be a good enough general
2) have enough trained soldiers
3) The government can be yours

It IS a similar situation to ours however since Marius started the unprecedented shit, but he responded in kind. Doing nothing is ALSO a trap. What he did did not do what he hoped it would, but... our choices are all shit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (zZu0s)

Sulla's faction also blocked the economic overhaul needed to support the Roman Republic. So what he was doing was largely pointless, a new paint job on the same junker.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (eYoxG)

372 351 Posted by: MichaelN at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (flwTd)

You know, I have had some contentious exchanges with Ace over the years, but never once did I disrespect him. On that basis, fuck you.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (pohLc)

I strongly disagree with Ace's take on Trump v. DeSantis, but I would never, ever disparage him - especially on his blog.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (/iWhV)

373 Did he ever fire any high profile person in his administration?

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I wouldn't say Comey was in His administration. But his firing was definitely a highlight of his Presidency.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (sX1BW)

374 Shrug.

Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

So, why are you here?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)

375
Some mobies are too stoopid to be anything less than really obvious about it. "Equate" knows he's lying.

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:02 PM (Jy99s)

Fact.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (Zz0t1)

376 Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)

Lol shill. +74mil voters are calling you a wuss right now.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (8AAoJ)

Exactly. As ever, the number of wusses and flaming fags in the RDS campaign gives me pause. The Gov could do worse than fire most of his current advisors and replace them with Archimedes.

Now, if he hired me, I'd have two suggestions:

1) Use the state police to "escort" federal agents, limit the federal armed presence inside Florida, and protect the former President at all costs.

2) Simply have Casey DeSantis be the candidate, while RDS works on establishing a permanent power base in Florida and amends the state constitution for a third term (of ten).

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (ZyRtd)

377 Let he who has never made an ace/garret joke, an ace ewok joke, an ace shelving joke, an ace messenger bag joke, an ace croc joke...

Cast the first stone.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (zZu0s)

378 354 317 I keep telling you all, the ideal for our time is Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. He knew how it was done.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 12:58 PM (brAQZ)

The problem is, Sulla may have wanted to restore the republic to Factory Fresh status, but the methods he used ensured it would not happen.

1) Be a good enough general
2) have enough trained soldiers
3) The government can be yours

It IS a similar situation to ours however since Marius started the unprecedented shit, but he responded in kind. Doing nothing is ALSO a trap. What he did did not do what he hoped it would, but... our choices are all shit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (zZu0s)

Sulla broke centuries of convention by marching with his troops on Rome. He started the 'will to power' politics and Rome never really recovered from him.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (xcxpd)

379 I'll see you an Inquisition, and raise you an Oprichnina. Old ways are best ways. Really old ways.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Agreed - they would be even better if we added in some GEN LEMAY, CURTIS USAAF for good measure.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (05Q08)

380 I have been working on "The List" which is a comprehensive Day 1 action plan with all of the steps laid out as a punch list. Literally call every office in the govt on day 1 and *issue orders/actions* to move the ball.

Nice to hear he's on the right track by building a team. As long as they actually have an actionable punchlist.

"The List" should be for every level of government and publicly available.

Posted by: Not a fed at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (m9Acq)

381 Go Rob!

Posted by: Scoob at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (7rlWo)

382 [ Thunderous Applause ]

Posted by: Senate of the Republic at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (yOHqm)

383 304 286
Trump routinely does stupid shit that gets him in legal hot water. Paying off hookers with campaign money, waving around classified docs and bragging he’s not allowed to have them, etc.
Yes, he has been unfairly singled out, but he’s also an idiot.
Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)
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The problem with Trump is Trump. He continually makes unforced errors allowing his enemies to easily attack & prosecute him.
He is also constantly letting his mouth write checks his ass can't cash (I will build a great, great wall. On day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall. And it's a real wall).

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (MFZ8i)

384 375 Shrug.

Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

So, why are you here?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)

It's rainy outside?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (xcxpd)

385 The problem is, Sulla may have wanted to restore the republic to Factory Fresh status, but the methods he used ensured it would not happen.

1) Be a good enough general
2) have enough trained soldiers
3) The government can be yours

It IS a similar situation to ours however since Marius started the unprecedented shit, but he responded in kind. Doing nothing is ALSO a trap. What he did did not do what he hoped it would, but... our choices are all shit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:04 PM (zZu0s)

Remember, Sulla lost. And winners write history.

He was in the absolute top tier of Generals.

And his purges were probably surgical and justified.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (8AAoJ)

386 Sulla's faction also blocked the economic overhaul needed to support the Roman Republic. So what he was doing was largely pointless, a new paint job on the same junker.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM (eYoxG)

A lot more dead bodies after Marius and he got done though. Which also helped to dissolve the bonds of common cause between the Romans. It kind of hypercharged the factionalism.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (zZu0s)

387 “DeSantis shut down the beaches here in the Sunshine State during the panic.

He's not immune to doing stupid shit just because everyone else is doing it.”

Initially yes. But as more data came in he saw it was a mistake and corrected it. That in itself puts him head and shoulders above most governors.

Posted by: Chipster at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (5eRfH)

388
One bonus to an Oprichnina: some number of treacherous boyars get roasted alive in giant frying pans.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (oINRc)

389 So, why are you here?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)

The Mannix Harem is a powerful draw.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (aD39U)

390 Unless DeSantis has a plan to re-introduce the 1966 Chevy Impala SS convertible, I'm staying home on Election Day

https://tinyurl.com/ydwnev95

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (geLO8)

391
The ppl who win elections do. It's a Republic.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023

This is exactly why you do create institutions that can be used against you after the next election. Looks good at the time until it's their turn.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (t/2Uw)

392 First thing Desantis needs to do.... get a new DCC chairman.

That's a nice news channel you have there CNN, MSNBC, Fox... would be a shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (q8K/U)

393 Ah the "intelligence" "community".

Didn't they tell us about all the WMD's or was that a different community?

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (ocjOY)

394 His bad choices not limited to Fauci. Did he ever fire any high profile person in his administration?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (t/2Uw)
I think all the ambushes committed by people who were expected to be on his side kept him off balance and hesitant. But much of that was because of him coming into office with a naive paradigm.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (pohLc)

395
It's rainy outside?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (xcxpd)

And there are always boobs.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)

396 If we are going to talk Roman Republic all day, then I'm going to put on a toga. Suggest all the ladies do the same.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (sX1BW)

397 "He could at least say something new instead of copying Trump maybe?"

I mean, if you like Trump (which I do), and you like Trump's policies (which I generally do), why would you not want his policies to be aped by more politicians?

I'm not looking for a cult of personality to join, I'm trying to hire a guy to do a job.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (5C4od)

398 Remember, Sulla lost. And winners write history.

He was in the absolute top tier of Generals.

And his purges were probably surgical and justified.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (8AAoJ)

He didn't lose. He RETIRED from being Dictator in Perpetuity. Then ran for Consul. Then retired from public life.

He did many things. Some good and some bad, but 'lose' was not one of them. Unless you consider the subset of actually restoring the functionality of the Republic as his victory condition.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (zZu0s)

399
Didn't they tell us about all the WMD's or was that a different community?
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (ocjOY)

To be fair, ours wasn't the only one to say there were.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)

400 If a President DeSantis scares them they will JFK him.

Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (OUiUM)

401 Sulla broke centuries of convention by marching with his troops on Rome. He started the 'will to power' politics and Rome never really recovered from him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (xcxpd)

Well, he lost. So he gets blamed. The facts show him more of a Cinncinatus than some sexually degenerate alcoholic.

The strongman never retires as he did.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (8AAoJ)

402 B-but, Sundance told me that Santis is a long con to fool the rubes ...

Posted by: SouthCentralPA at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (J3OJd)

403
Please inform us. I'm in a mood to cross more half-assed (or quarter-assed) conservatives off the list.
Posted by: Seems Legit

Something he said about the mis-labeled 'don't say gay' bill didn't sit right with me.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (sei1f)

404 The best governor on covid was Noem.

So... there???

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (ocjOY)

405 Late to today's scheduled DJT-- RDS range war.

Probably everyone wants to believe RDS. Just cannot see how , as fellow travelers and contributors to his POTUS run, RDS overcomes the firmly established cowardly, duplicitous surrender mentality of the GOPe who are his big name supporters.

May be RDS can govern like an America First boss as POTUS but it's difficult to see how that happens given his donor list. ....
Of course the two may not be linked ..... /cosmic sarc

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (U2V+B)

406 It's rainy outside?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (xcxpd)

And there are always boobs.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)

https://tinyurl.com/yfx9m63u

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (zZu0s)

407 Remember, Sulla lost. And winners write history.

He was in the absolute top tier of Generals.

And his purges were probably surgical and justified.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:08 PM (8AAoJ)

Sulla's side won and wrote history.

Hence the account of the somewhat uncharacteristic purges by Marius, a man who had built a reputation for strict justice even towards relatives.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (eYoxG)

408 371 My ultimate dream would be Trump as President and DeSantis as VP. DeSantis could then be a totally focused Deep State Disassembly Czar for 4 years, then take over as POTUS for the next 8 to finish the job!

A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: Mags at June 13, 2023 01:06 PM

Trump delegates and doesn't want to do the hard, detail work...nust speeches, networking, etc. DeSantis could be a very active VP, doing most of what he wants, while Trump runs around being a showman. Wouldn't be a bad pairing.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (AzkeT)

409 202 I found the ideal location for the FBI's new HQ:
Utqiagvik, Alaska

It's on US soil, so what's the problem?
Posted by: weew at June 13, 2023 12:43 PM (EaEMG)

********

A good location but a couple hundred miles to the south and they'll be in prime bug country, which is the Platonic ideal for federal locations.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (xxG/v)

410 He also points out that a re-elected president Trump would be a one-term president and therefore a lame duck. He would have much less power to punish recalcitrant GOP senators, and the Deep State could just wait him out for four years.

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He could also go Full Pinochet.

Meh, they'll murder Trump or threaten to do so to his family before he's allowed back in The White House -- and it's likely the same story with Redrum DeathSanguination.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (+z+6a)

411 Just because my eyes have been opened and I understand how things are run doesn't mean I don't want to come to Ace's to get some laughs at Jonah Goldberg's expense.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (DcKNO)

412 Judge Roy Bean every Democrat in DC; give them a fair trial and a first class hanging. Then do the same for the RINOs - but no fair trials, just get to the first class hanging part.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (CecP5)

413 Posted by: MichaelN at June 13, 2023 01:00 PM (flwTd)

I can feel the spittle on my keyboard.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (vN+oL)

414 He did many things. Some good and some bad, but 'lose' was not one of them. Unless you consider the subset of actually restoring the functionality of the Republic as his victory condition.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (zZu0s)

His faction lost. Marius' won.

I greatly admire Sulla.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (8AAoJ)

415 377 Tired of the clown show, trump is not worth the drama anymore.
Posted by: Equate at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (Fj0B+)

Lol shill. +74mil voters are calling you a wuss right now.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (8AAoJ)

Exactly. As ever, the number of wusses and flaming fags in the RDS campaign gives me pause. The Gov could do worse than fire most of his current advisors and replace them with Archimedes.

Now, if he hired me, I'd have two suggestions:

1) Use the state police to "escort" federal agents, limit the federal armed presence inside Florida, and protect the former President at all costs.

2) Simply have Casey DeSantis be the candidate, while RDS works on establishing a permanent power base in Florida and amends the state constitution for a third term (of ten).
Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (ZyRtd)
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This strategy, at best, would end in a civil war and, at worst, would end up with both Trump & DeSantis doing life in a federal penitentiary.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (MFZ8i)

416 Somewhere else I asked if the Democrats had the files on DeSantis ready and got the reply that it wasn't relevant.

It's relevant that we all understand the situation though, and I think most people do by now. Lying works for Democrats. And the volume of the professional wailers proves the truth. Just like a funeral procession. Was the deceased important? How loud are the total strangers hired for the job screaming and crying?

Do we imagine that DeSantis hasn't done an ordinary normal thing that politicians do every day that will suddenly be found to be sort of not quite within rules and it will be a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND LIFE ITSELF WWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHH and don't you dare point out any similar behavior because clearly it's different, after all, did you ever hear anyone wailing about it?

The different treatment PROVES the actions aren't the same, don't you know.

And you thought the different treatment proved bias? Oh, sweet summer child.

Posted by: Synova at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (BD/yx)

417 To be fair, ours wasn't the only one to say there were.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)

Forget it I'm rolling

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:13 PM (ocjOY)

418 Awesome. I have consistently said from 2016 that a populist can't win against Leviathan. It has to be a principled ideologue who knows the system and who can sniff out the enemy, as well as instantly recognize his own fellow travelers.

Trump couldn't or wouldn't do any of that.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 13, 2023 01:13 PM (b306O)

419 414 He did many things. Some good and some bad, but 'lose' was not one of them. Unless you consider the subset of actually restoring the functionality of the Republic as his victory condition.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (zZu0s)

His faction lost. Marius' won.

I greatly admire Sulla.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (8AAoJ)

Marius died and then Sulla took power. Sulla's side "won" and wrote history.

If Marius had not died maybe things would be different, but he did.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:13 PM (eYoxG)

420 I have never understood why a Presidential candidate is expected to be beholden to his donors after he gets in office. I mean, are they not going to support his next run for higher office.

Me, I'd take everyone's money and then crawfish on the deal if I wanted to.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 01:13 PM (aD39U)

421 The best governor on covid was Noem.

So... there???
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (ocjOY)

She was also the best on me.
What a freak, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Lewandowski(?) at June 13, 2023 01:13 PM (ufFY8)

422 Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

So, why are you here?
Posted by: sharon

The popcorn. And watching people think they can change deep state by voting.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (gFoGk)

423 Did someone say Toga?

https://is.gd/Ld6aQq

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (Zz0t1)

424
B-but, Sundance told me that Santis is a long con to fool the rubes ...
Posted by: SouthCentralPA at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (J3OJd)

Perhaps. I kinda doubt it, though.

The problem with the pro-Trump and pro-DeSantis camps alike isn't "who is the secret gang of cucks?" It's the same baseless conceit on both sides of the argument - "my candidate will succeed." Neither will succeed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (oINRc)

425 Sulla's side won and wrote history.

Hence the account of the somewhat uncharacteristic purges by Marius, a man who had built a reputation for strict justice even towards relatives.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (eYoxG)

Caesar was Marius' man. Sulla is usually thought of as a mad incompetent who let his minions rape Rome and kill innocents to obtain property and settle scores.

A drunken perverse lech.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (8AAoJ)

426 391 Unless DeSantis has a plan to re-introduce the 1966 Chevy Impala SS convertible, I'm staying home on Election Day

https://tinyurl.com/ydwnev95
Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM

Unless Madonna promises to give blowjobs to DeSantis voters (with plenty of eye contact), I'm not voting for him!

Posted by: No one ever at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (AzkeT)

427 WTH. Did you people learn nothing? Yes, let"s set up a loyalty group to police dissidents. Maybe they should wear brown shirts. Or have their own symbol.
Who decides who is a domestic terrorist?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)

Shaaaaaron, it's fine. It's not about needing a secret police, just a regular police. Franco and Pinochet, among others, demonstrated how the process can done with a minimum of social disruption. RDS doesn't need to run like Hitler or Saddam to achieve meaningful results.

I'm not being patronizing, your concerns about legitimacy are well founded. RDS is in particularly good position to begin the process, and admittedly I might be too cautious and urbane to advise him from the nationalist perspective. Nonetheless, a former President is being indicted like Zimbabwe, and wholly insufficient appeals to the status quo will relegate anyone to second place status behind Donald Trump in a real election.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (ZyRtd)

428 Sulla did not lose. His cause was lost before he started, probably, but he himself retired.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (brAQZ)

429 My ultimate dream would be Trump as President and DeSantis as VP. DeSantis could then be a totally focused Deep State Disassembly Czar for 4 years, then take over as POTUS for the next 8 to finish the job!

A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: Mags

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This is the only possible chance we have at overcoming the cheat.

Voters like him, but there is not the same energy for Desantis. There is anger for what people know happened in 2020. Put them together and it *might* be enough to beat the cheat. It's certainly the only way to get the record blacks, hispanics, Democrats, etc.

Desantis alone? 60M votes. Maybe.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (etIVw)

430 375 Shrug.

Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

So, why are you here?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)

To meet chicks !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (T4tVD)

431 Trump routinely does stupid shit that gets him in legal hot water. Paying off hookers with campaign money, waving around classified docs and bragging he’s not allowed to have them, etc.

Yes, he has been unfairly singled out, but he’s also an idiot.
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Trump gets himself in trouble but frankly, what you've written is untrue.

And I'd agree that they all do dumb shit but it really sticks to Trump because all of the fire is trained on him. His party, their party, media, big tech, etc.

Posted by: MJ at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (zwDuR)

432 His faction lost. Marius' won.

I greatly admire Sulla.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (8AAoJ)

Marius died and then Sulla took power. Sulla's side "won" and wrote history.

I see you take sequentiality seriously.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (aD39U)

433
Forget it I'm rolling
Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 01:13 PM (ocjOY)

*steps back*

*sips beer*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (Zz0t1)

434 Unless Madonna promises to give blowjobs to DeSantis voters (with plenty of eye contact), I'm not voting for him!
Posted by: No one ever at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (AzkeT)

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BWHAHAHAHAHAH

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (DcKNO)

435 If DeSantis tries to lay a glove on the Deep State, the Courts will tell him that they're funded to be exactly what they are and Ron can go fuck off.

Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (OUiUM)

436 Unless DeSantis has a plan to re-introduce the 1966 Chevy Impala SS convertible, I'm staying home on Election Day

https://tinyurl.com/ydwnev95
Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023

***
When I was 12 my father bought a new coupe version of the '66 SS, beige over cream-and-gold vinyl. AM radio, but good A/C. Once I got to drive it around an empty parking lot in 1971. It was a smooth car. I always hoped he'd give it to me (or sell it to me) for college, but no dice.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 01:16 PM (J2vNu)

437 Shrug.

Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

So, why are you here?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)

Share your well founded skepticism about DemCommie intention to never allow another non- approved GOP candidate to win however there are ample black letter law and regulations that provide for Deep State reduction/destruction. Reduction in Force( RIF) is real and viable.
THE question is WHO will use the available tools to attack the Deep State bureaucracy???

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at June 13, 2023 01:16 PM (U2V+B)

438 His faction lost. Marius' won.

I greatly admire Sulla.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (8AAoJ)

His faction was the conservatives (later Optimates.) The senate having primacy. He striped the tribunes of all the powers they had accumulated since the ... Secession of the Plebs (the power to veto, propose legislation, etc.) Now a lot of those powers were restored years later (after Sulla was gone) but he left it all out on the court and retired unchallenged. He had pretty much either killed or outlasted (in the case of Marius) everyone who opposed him.

Now there was a Marian general still fighting a guerilla war in Spain... Quintus Sertorius(sp?) Now THAT would have been a good one to watch. Sertorius v Sulla.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:16 PM (zZu0s)

439 Initially yes. But as more data came in he saw it was a mistake and corrected it. That in itself puts him head and shoulders above most governors.
Posted by: Chipster at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (5eRfH)

Oh, sure, sure, Chipster (if that's really your name!), but when the comparator is Trump, mistake-free governance is clearly the standard by which others must be judged.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at June 13, 2023 01:16 PM (ppBhU)

440 If we are going to talk Roman Republic all day, then I'm going to put on a toga. Suggest all the ladies do the same.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at June 13, 2023 01:10 PM (sX1BW)

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* Breaks out guitar *

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 01:16 PM (+z+6a)

441 Trump gets himself in trouble but frankly, what you've written is untrue.

--

Hey, c'mon, leave audio alone.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 01:16 PM (etIVw)

442 425 Sulla's side won and wrote history.

Hence the account of the somewhat uncharacteristic purges by Marius, a man who had built a reputation for strict justice even towards relatives.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (eYoxG)

Caesar was Marius' man. Sulla is usually thought of as a mad incompetent who let his minions rape Rome and kill innocents to obtain property and settle scores.

A drunken perverse lech.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (8AAoJ)

Not sure where you get that account of Sulla from.

But Julius Caesar was a young man during this conflict, and an old man in a sinecure in Gaul when the Senate forced his hand. Caesar did not particularly represent a continuation of Marius's ideology(as there wasn't much one), other than their appetite for conquest.

Sulla had serious political reform goals(even if largely meaningless ones).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (eYoxG)

443 ACE you ignorant duplicitous slut. President Trump was at war with the entire Federal Establishment through his term.

Do you find that this style of argument is convincing or helpful to your cause?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (0hOvj)

444 Does anyone recall the security arrangements made by General Winfield Scott for the 1861 presidential inauguration in Washington, D.C.?

Posted by: mrp at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (rj6Yv)

445 I see you take sequentiality seriously.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 01:15 PM (aD39U)

Caesar was was a populares and marius' man.

Sulla was ultimate Optimates.

The Principate was a populares thing. As was the subsequent Empire.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (8AAoJ)

446 387 “DeSantis shut down the beaches here in the Sunshine State during the panic.

He's not immune to doing stupid shit just because everyone else is doing it.”

Initially yes. But as more data came in he saw it was a mistake and corrected it. That in itself puts him head and shoulders above most governors.
Posted by: Chipster at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (5eRfH)
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Somebody needs to remind me when Donald ("Two weeks to stop the spread") Trump fired Fauci & Birks.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (MFZ8i)

447 Nood McCabe

Posted by: Inogame at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (53oGX)

448 "Initially yes. But as more data came in he saw it was a mistake and corrected it. That in itself puts him head and shoulders above most governors."

Actually he lifted the ban and then reinstated it for a limited number of counties based on political pressure from the Mayors and county officials.

His data driven decisions only came later after his staff got their shit together, although he did drive that to happen.

Posted by: pawn at June 13, 2023 01:18 PM (wsHtO)

449 His bad choices not limited to Fauci. Did he ever fire any high profile person in his administration?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:05 PM (t/2Uw)
I think all the ambushes committed by people who were expected to be on his side kept him off balance and hesitant. But much of that was because of him coming into office with a naive paradigm.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 01:10

Yes, I agree with this. Which is why I think DeSantis would have a better handle on things. He has faced obstructionists and come out on top. His staff choices in Florida have been excellent. His people talk intelligently about issues after doing research. He alwasy seems to have the facts at hand to counter the baseless memes from t he other side.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:18 PM (t/2Uw)

450 424
B-but, Sundance told me that Santis is a long con to fool the rubes ...
Posted by: SouthCentralPA at June 13, 2023 01:11 PM (J3OJd)

Perhaps. I kinda doubt it, though.

The problem with the pro-Trump and pro-DeSantis camps alike isn't "who is the secret gang of cucks?" It's the same baseless conceit on both sides of the argument - "my candidate will succeed." Neither will succeed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (oINRc)

If Trump's loss in 2024 ends up with such revulsion over The Biggest Cheat that it would take to pull it off that everyone decides to overhaul the system and start relatively fresh, then Trump would have done more for the country in losing than in victory. It would be worth it for me, and then I'd be perfectly comfortable with DeSantis running - and winning - in 2028.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 13, 2023 01:18 PM (/iWhV)

451 Seems to me that Desantis is the ONLY one running toward the right during this primary.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 13, 2023 01:18 PM (KbCG3)

452 So, why are you here?

To discuss ideas with my friends. How does recognizing that the last 3 federal elections were run through with so much fraud they stole the presidency and many seats in congress mean I cannot or should not be here??

The fraud has not gotten lesser over the past 3 years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2023 01:18 PM (0hOvj)

453 Noodus McCabius

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 13, 2023 01:19 PM (J2vNu)

454 383 304 286
Trump routinely does stupid shit that gets him in legal hot water. Paying off hookers with campaign money,
...

But it wasn't campaign money until he paid her, right? It BECAME campaign money, supposedly, BECAUSE he paid her. Because protecting Melania and Barron wasn't a good enough non-campaign reason to pay hush money to someone bound to claim to have slept with him.

Posted by: Synova at June 13, 2023 01:19 PM (BD/yx)

455 Not sure where you get that account of Sulla from.

But Julius Caesar was a young man during this conflict, and an old man in a sinecure in Gaul when the Senate forced his hand. Caesar did not particularly represent a continuation of Marius's ideology(as there wasn't much one), other than their appetite for conquest.

Sulla had serious political reform goals(even if largely meaningless ones).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (eYoxG)

Who did Caesar marry? What was his relation to Marius.

What faction was Marius? What Caesar? What Sulla?

Optimates vs Populares.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:19 PM (8AAoJ)

456 Unless Madonna promises to give blowjobs to DeSantis voters (with plenty of eye contact), I'm not voting for him!
Posted by: No one ever at June 13, 2023 01:14 PM (AzkeT)
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Ummm, no thanks! I actually like my penis and don't want it to fall off from the rampant venereal diseases I would contract!

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 13, 2023 01:20 PM (MFZ8i)

457 [ Thunderous Applause ]
Posted by: Senate of the Republic
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Neigh! Neigh!

Posted by: senator incitatus at June 13, 2023 01:20 PM (Vwz3I)

458 Initially yes. But as more data came in he saw it was a mistake and corrected it. That in itself puts him head and shoulders above most governors.
Posted by: Chipster at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (5eRfH)

...

And those of us in other states benefitted from DeSantis' leadership, when our governors saw what he did and followed suit. Abbot imitated all of DeSanti's moves about three days after the fact, the way i remember it.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 13, 2023 01:20 PM (z/ifB)

459 My ultimate dream would be Trump as President and DeSantis as VP. DeSantis could then be a totally focused Deep State Disassembly Czar for 4 years, then take over as POTUS for the next 8 to finish the job!

A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: Mags

Distasteful but it is the bedrock of politics: common purpose makes for strange fellows. A DJT-- RDS summit would, literally imo provoke the Deep State to go full Castro. Seriously.
The Leviathan CANNOT under any circumstances allow those two to make a truce and join forces to kill (politically) the Anti- American Traitors.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (U2V+B)

460 443 ACE you ignorant duplicitous slut. President Trump was at war with the entire Federal Establishment through his term.

Do you find that this style of argument is convincing or helpful to your cause?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2023 01:17 PM (0hOvj)
_______

Are you actually only 29?

Posted by: Dan Ackroyd at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (brAQZ)

461
This may have already been posted! But its the best total decimation of the completely Unconstitutional and retarded case presented by the DOJ in the Trump "document" case:

https://tinyurl.com/5n8nsf75

Posted by: Boswell at June 13, 2023 12:59 PM

Already been posted but needs to be re-posted in every thread today.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (enJYY)

462 Shrug.

Democrats won't let a Republican win, and even if they did, they can't beat the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

So, why are you here?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 13, 2023 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)
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I'm with Christopher and I'm here mostly for the laughs -- but also to share in the collective grieving, maintain the assurance that I must still be sane since others see the same things I do, and want a trip-wire to know when it's finally open season on Commies.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (+z+6a)

463 Sock off.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (brAQZ)

464 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (zZu0s)

465 The reason President Trump didn't gut the deepstate during his first term? He was stabbed in the back by most of his appointees, who were recommended by rinos for 4 years. And after the 2020 election, he was stabbed in the back by rinos again. They continue. Could DeSantis gut deepstate? Maybe. But he should have kept these cards close to the vest.

Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2023 01:22 PM (Uv0D2)

466 455

Who did Caesar marry? What was his relation to Marius.

What faction was Marius? What Caesar? What Sulla?

Optimates vs Populares.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:19 PM (8AAoJ)

That overstates the nature of the ideological conflict and kind of modernizes it. The Gracchus brothers(who were correct) were the meaningful opposing ideology to Sulla.

Marius and Caesar did not give a shit about that stuff.

It's not possible to really summarize a political ideology based on Marius because the man just wanted to go conquer things until he died. Caesar just wanted to live a life of luxury after establishing his fame.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:23 PM (eYoxG)

467 Who did Caesar marry? What was his relation to Marius.

What faction was Marius? What Caesar? What Sulla?

Optimates vs Populares.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:19 PM (8AAoJ)

IIRC, marius was his uncle in law. Father in law was .... Cinna?

But he married a descendant of Sulla later, iirc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:23 PM (zZu0s)

468 Caesar was was a populares and marius' man.

Sulla was ultimate Optimates.

The Principate was a populares thing. As was the subsequent Empire.

I'm confused. Which side was Optimus Prime on?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 13, 2023 01:24 PM (CecP5)

469 He's reading my mind! Or, at least my blog!
I've been saying this for some time:
He needs to make ongoing, relentless, targeted attacks at the worst of the agencies, from day one.
Few of the low performers, the ones that pretend to work while they enjoy the perks, including access to the sycophants that surround the elected and appointed, will make the transition out of DC. In the heartland, their "specialness" will not be lauded. They will be seen as the freaks, layabouts, and dullards they are.

Posted by: Linda S Fox at June 13, 2023 01:25 PM (PS49u)

470 Beyond Noman Parameters

"The Leviathan CANNOT under any circumstances allow those two to make a truce and join forces to kill (politically) the Anti- American Traitors."

I'm glad someone else gets it.

Posted by: pawn at June 13, 2023 01:26 PM (wsHtO)

471 Trump: Drain the Swamp.

DeSantis: I agree and here is my detailed plan. Where's yours Trump?

Trump: Your so disloyal.

Posted by: WisRich at June 13, 2023 01:27 PM (G0vdT)

472 I'm confused. Which side was Optimus Prime on?
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 13, 2023 01:24 PM (CecP5)

Optimates: Senatorial side (kind of.) They were the most close to 'conservative' in that they did not really want anything to change.

Populares: Populists (again sort of) who wanted reforms (again, sort of.)

It was a mess.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:27 PM (zZu0s)

473 The real problem is the Deep State know this, and are setting up traps, deeper entrenchment, and triggers to ensure that he is hamstrung all the way.
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 13, 2023 12:54 PM (+oR7L)

So much this. Plus, they know they have staunch allies in congress such as the turtle, Schumer, Graham, Thune, etc.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 13, 2023 01:28 PM (BdMk6)

474 465 The reason President Trump didn't gut the deepstate during his first term? He was stabbed in the back by most of his appointees, who were recommended by rinos for 4 years. And after the 2020 election, he was stabbed in the back by rinos again. They continue. Could DeSantis gut deepstate? Maybe. But he should have kept these cards close to the vest.
Posted by: Eromero at June 13, 2023 01:22 PM (Uv0D2)

++++++++++

He was naive. He believed the Republicans had accepted him as their President and supported his agenda. It was borderline foolish, and that doesn't even touch on his uppity daughter and her piece of shit husband.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2023 01:29 PM (NTi06)

475 and want a trip-wire to know when it's finally open season on Commies.
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 01:21 PM (+z+6a)

Mine's set. Ideally it's one you can realize without Internet access- the Internet going down may even be one of the lines.

Either way, when it happens you'll know what to do. Good on you.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 01:29 PM (ZyRtd)

476 A half-dozen Ukrainians in a yacht blew up the pipelines, without any help from anybody.

Really.

If you don't grasp that half a dozen people with two standard underwater surveying ROV's packed with plastic explosives could have blown up the pipelines, you probably shouldn't be working in national security.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at June 13, 2023 01:30 PM (wOU9a)

477 Trump: Drain the Swamp.

DeSantis: I agree and here is my detailed plan. Where's yours Trump?

Trump: Your so disloyal.
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Media: So lets talk about Trump

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 01:32 PM (etIVw)

478 But he married a descendant of Sulla later, iirc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 01:23 PM (zZu0s)

Yes. And divorced her under weird curumstances.

And risked death to stay married to Marius' descendant and faction.

The assassins of Caesar were Optimates.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:34 PM (8AAoJ)

479 I don't understand the DeSantis hate coming from Trump voters.

Personally, I voted for Trump twice and I loved his policies.

And if he gets the nomination I will run to the polls in November, 24 to vote for him again.

But I also feel DeSantis has a proven record of being a disruptor who fights for conservative values - and who has a proven record of winning. Hell, I'm still amazed that 48 hours after the Hurricane last fall he had re-built the bridge to Sanibel Island. If Petey B was in charge, he'd still be holding Blue Ribbon committee meetings trying to confirm how to build a new bridge that isn't racist.

So, I would run to the polls to vote for DeSantis too. Why won't other Trump voters?

Posted by: Forheremenaremen at June 13, 2023 01:35 PM (HB5Gm)

480 Marius because the man just wanted to go conquer things until he died. Caesar just wanted to live a life of luxury after establishing his fame.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 01:23 PM (eYoxG)

Maybe so. I disagree strongly. The record as to motives is ambiguous and we each have to make leaps.

Caesar is particularly ambiguous. He did appear to have significant reform plans in motion before his murder though.

Caesar's whole life seems so charmed that I don't really believe the narrative. But also have no idea what was going on.

Other than that he was a staunch supporter of Marius and his supporters eventually won the prize.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 13, 2023 01:39 PM (8AAoJ)

481 "I don't understand the DeSantis hate coming from Trump voters."

Because whatever DeSantis' merits, he's clearly being supported by the GOP/conservative establishment that hates Trump. That is suspicious. If DeSantis would start ripping Mitch McConnell and others like him in every stump speech, it would go a long way to quelling those suspicious.

That he doesn't do such an obvious thing only heightens them.

Mike

Posted by: MBunge at June 13, 2023 01:50 PM (2tWdQ)

482 31 Here we go....
Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2023 12:22 PM (AwYPR)
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Glad someone got in early with the Joker reference.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 13, 2023 01:55 PM (ssESX)

483 476 A half-dozen Ukrainians in a yacht blew up the pipelines, without any help from anybody.

Really.

If you don't grasp that half a dozen people with two standard underwater surveying ROV's packed with plastic explosives could have blown up the pipelines, you probably shouldn't be working in national security.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at June 13, 2023 01:30 PM (wOU9a)
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And one of them lost a diving boot!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 13, 2023 01:56 PM (ssESX)

484 Just moving FBI out of DC would have made the indictments of Sussman and Danchenko possibly be convictions.

And once convictions are possible, then McAbe, Comey, types have to be far more cautious.

Posted by: Harun at June 13, 2023 01:57 PM (Cg63x)

485 I like this...

I know there is the typical "trump vs desantis" stuff, but I want both guys to have a thought out plan.

I want specifics. I want day 1 things.

I don't want platitudes or campaign slogans, I want names of people whose heads will be on a spike.

Posted by: realiytman at June 13, 2023 01:57 PM (MAuUQ)

486 Y'all forget about Caesar being offered a crown by Marc Anthony?

That was obviously testing the waters.

Crowd didn't like it so crown rejected.

Posted by: Harun at June 13, 2023 01:59 PM (Cg63x)

487 I like this...

Posted by: realiytman at June 13, 2023 01:57 PM (MAuUQ)

++++++++

The right wing purity spiral that comes from a Trump vs. DeSantis is very enjoyable and a long time coming. Just enjoy the show and wait to see how the Democrats are going to steal the election this time.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2023 02:00 PM (NTi06)

488 You want heads on spikes? Seriously I'll volunteer to join any Trump or DeSantis administration as head spiker. The very first head to parade around town is Lavrentiy Beria's little brother at the Department of JustUs. Head #2 is Wray over at the FIB.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 13, 2023 02:05 PM (CecP5)

489 The real problem is not how they abuse the authorities they're given or where the office is, it's that they have too much authority in too many areas. Take away the authorities they're abusing.

Posted by: crasey at June 13, 2023 02:08 PM (IKX5a)

490 Might have a problem firing the federal employees under the Civil Service Act, but he could do it the Lefty way: fire them, and let them sue for rehiring. Setting it up that their jobs are eliminated as they are terminated complicates their case to come back to a job when that job no longer exists.

If the termination doesn't stick, and they do come back, then take away their duties. They have no phone, no computer, no communication, no duties, are forbidden to bring private electronic devices into their work space, and all they have is a room with several hundred (thousand?) chairs to sit on for eight hours a day.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 13, 2023 02:18 PM (K58O6)

491 Whether it's DeSantis or Trump, I really hope it works out. He can take 7 months if needed.

Posted by: PG at June 13, 2023 02:21 PM (84jHt)

492 >>Trump: Drain the Swamp.

>>DeSantis: I agree and here is my detailed plan. Where's yours Trump?

>>Trump: Your so disloyal.

Trump has a plan. In fact, he put it in place during his last term. Biden repealed it. It's called Schedule F.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 02:33 PM (ZLI7S)

493 The right wing purity spiral that comes from a Trump vs. DeSantis is very enjoyable and a long time coming. Just enjoy the show and wait to see how the Democrats are going to steal the election this time.
Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2023 02:00 PM (NTi06)

It's increasingly likely they'll cancel it outright. Biden is profoundly unpopular and not even the social media can make him less so. Meanwhile, the Garland/ Bloomberg DoJ is making Trump MORE popular by going after him more than they do Epstein clients. Chinatown was a grim and very educational movie, but we're about to see what happens when you apply it on a national scale.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 02:40 PM (ZyRtd)

494 The issue is that the vast majority of the politicians in DC are severely compromised due to the deep state blackmailing them for all of their nefarious deeds, and so must go to the mattresses to protect the deep state in order to protect themselves.

Whether Trump or DeSantis is the next President, they should leverage their pardon authority to offer a time-sensitive, one-time offer to forgive any illegal activity any politician may be being blackmailed for by the deep state if they come clean about everything they know about how the deep state is illegally and unconstitutionally operating.

Anyone who doesn't come forward voluntarily and is discovered to have illegally and unconstitutionally helped the deep state, will be tried for treason / sedition and summarily executed.

Note that this would only apply after confession and would not prevent their crimes from being made known, which would result in their removal from office, but would avoid prison &/or death.

This is the only way we completely dismantle the deep state once and for all.

Posted by: Mr. Bo Jangles at June 13, 2023 03:14 PM (IBt/r)

495 "Famously, when he was elected governor, he had all of his staff research all powers of the governor, even the ones that have been forgotten about, because he intended to use every last one of them. So he's not blowing smoke when he says he intends to use presidential power to the limit to dismantle the Deep State."

Good luck getting the Feds to actually obey the law!

Posted by: Mhandisi at June 13, 2023 03:21 PM (Z77DI)

496 Yep. Trump fired James Comey and Hell came unglued.

DeSantis is a globalist donor guy, it ain't going to happen.

Posted by: Danimal28 at June 13, 2023 03:38 PM (klw0w)

497 DeSantis is a RINO hack.... He will not do anything, because the powers that are backing him, Bushes Cheneys Paul Ryan, Ed Rollins, the Koch Guys, McConnell will own him.

Posted by: cowgirl at June 13, 2023 03:40 PM (2qXFn)

498 Well his supporters sure are very happy with this latest indictment…

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at June 13, 2023 03:40 PM (dCJjR)

499 Because whatever DeSantis' merits, he's clearly being supported by the GOP/conservative establishment that hates Trump. That is suspicious. If DeSantis would start ripping Mitch McConnell and others like him in every stump speech, it would go a long way to quelling those suspicious.

That he doesn't do such an obvious thing only heightens them.

Mike
Posted by: MBunge at June 13, 2023 01:50 PM (2tWdQ)
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Please - this is pretty silly. Just stop. It's been investigated so many times. Just quit reading Sundance and it will fade away. Whether RDS is able to have better work at the deep state than Trump did is open to discussion. But, just stop on the GOPe wants RDS. They want FJB. Or his democrat replacement.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 04:04 PM (UVyKP)

500 Arrest George Soros

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 13, 2023 04:51 PM (wGqjj)

501 If DeSantis wants to drain the swamp there’s definitely 2 things he should do: Create a department of information services and pull all federal IS into it. That will take away the power of departments to hide information and pretend it’s difficult to produce documents. Create a department of Audit and Investigation and pull all the Inspectors General into it. That will eliminate each department owning its auditors allowing them to ignore their own violations. Give the Auditors the power to prefer charges to State law systems. There’s a lot of bad in allowing the Feds to investigate themselves.

Posted by: JackWayne at June 13, 2023 05:23 PM (4K9S9)

502 Good luck getting the Feds to actually obey the law!
Posted by: Mhandisi at June 13, 2023 03:21 PM (Z77DI)

+++++++++++

Boomers have a hard time grasping that reality. Remember they saw Nixon, once evil incarnate, resign at the hint of corruption.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2023 05:24 PM (NTi06)

503 Ace, your boy Ron got rushed to declare by the Donor Class. It was a yuge self-own. Ultra Mega MAGA deplorables won't forgive or forget. Ron not only won't be elected POTUS in '24, he won't even get the nomination. As for '28? He shoulda thought about that before he bit the hand that got him elected guv in 2018, when he seemed destined to lose to that freak from Jacksonville.

Posted by: Born Free at June 13, 2023 06:05 PM (6kqgf)

504 Constitutionally any administration department is part of the executive branch and therefore under control of the president. The DOJ and FBI are not off limits. Any union laws preventing firing are unconstitutional IMO. If he's serious, he should already be acquiring organizational charts for each troublesome department and identifying people within who can help. Relocation is a partial solution, but firing of many will be necessary and that will take somebody inside to help id the troublesome people. It will require a downward wave of command. I was always frustrated that Trump tried to run the executive branch through twitter, and that he did not fire Jeff Sessions very early.
Call the man into your office and fire him, he did it on TV but never understood the constitution enough to know he had the power.

Posted by: Citizen at June 13, 2023 06:19 PM (UKW5l)

505 I'm all in w/this. As a retired 28-year Fed, I know there IS a Deep State. It needs to be gutted, root and branch. Clinton/Gore talked a good talk about about "Reinvention of Government," which btw was not resisted by rank and file because in reality, it was Affirmative Action in disguise. My agency never recovered since it was implmented in 1995. It has been re-organized so many times since no one can remember how many. The template was based upon quotas, not competence. People put into mgmt. positions who had no idea what they were managing. Few Sr. Mgrs. w/merit. If a Republican wins the WH in 2024 and brings a Republican Senate in on thier coattails as Reagan did in 1980, we can decentralize and clean house w/o resistance.

Posted by: Larry Cherney at June 13, 2023 06:45 PM (5aoii)

506 DeSantis is trying to appeal to MAGA, but he is lying. He's propped up by donor class/uniparty.

Posted by: Shoeless Guy at June 13, 2023 06:47 PM (hcBu1)

507 I hope that DeSantis has backup plans for the backup plans backed up by a large number of lawyers, because the power of the President to fire his employees is drastically limited by Civil Service protections. There are ways, but they require sophisticated moves, not "You're fired," on live TV.

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508
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Posted by: Melinda Roman at June 14, 2023 04:27 AM (bT+pQ)

509 "because the power of the President to fire his employees is drastically limited by Civil Service protections".

Those "protections" are laws, and laws that limit the constitutional power of the president can easily be unconstitutional. I would even go so far as saying that the judicial branch's involvement in deciding this is troublesome and could in fact be ignored. The constitution empowers president. Laws and judicial interpretations are less powerful than the constitution. The constitution provides for presidential impeachment. Ignoring the supreme court or legislative civil service laws on the part of the president might be a tough argument for impeachment if the constitution is clear on who runs the executive branch.

Posted by: Citizen at June 14, 2023 07:06 AM (UKW5l)

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