The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

I understand when ethnic Ukrainians cheer for Ukraine's success against Russia. I understand that many people find Putin to be distasteful...a bully, a tyrant, a killer of political opponents. And the Russia he has nurtured is corrupt (although probably not on the scale of Ukraine!), with Putin himself being the ultimate recipient of much of that corruption.

But Russia is a decaying regional power, and the combination of its demographics and the loss of so many of its former colonies in eastern Europe and Asia has limited its ability to project power, and fund and man its military-industrial complex.

Its war with Ukraine is a border and cultural dispute, and regardless of its outcome the safety and security of the United States is maintained not by ensuring Ukraine's success, but in pushing back against the onslaught of China. The Ukraine war is a rounding error, nothing more.

So when supposedly sane people suggest that America's interests would be best served by extending our nuclear umbrella over Ukraine, and in fact facilitating Ukraine's acquisition of nuclear weapons "without any controls on where and how Ukraine might use them," the only response should be, "Are you f*cking insane?"

Can Biden Deter a Russia Nuclear Attack on Ukraine? Yes, if He Gives Ukraine Tactical Nukes

What Biden should instead do is tell Russia clearly that any use of nuclear weapons of any size against Ukraine will lead to U.S. provision of the same types of nuclear weapons to Ukraine without any controls on where and how Ukraine might use them. The non-proliferation mafia might howl with outrage, but the West must gear its nuclear policy toward reality, not wishful thinking or an empty façadeof a treaty regimen by which revisionist states no longer abide.

This is both fascinating and terrifying. The idea that a corrupt and dysfunctional Ukraine should be given nuclear weapons WITHOUT ANY CONTROLS is irrational in the extreme. We have already seen conventional weapons sent to Ukraine appearing in other places, and the temptation for a multi-billion dollar payout for the sale of just one tactical nuclear weapon would in all likelihood be too tempting to skip for the kleptocrats of Ukraine.

And what about if they decide to use one to nuke Moscow? How would Russia respond? Regardless of one's opinion of Russia's justification for their invasion of Ukraine, it is a border dispute that has not expanded anywhere else. So the use of American nuclear weapons on Russian soil rationally could be seen as an American attack on Russia.

What would be next? Russia attacking American interests in the world, or perhaps a Russian nuclear attack on American soil? That is called proportionality, and it makes sense.

The writer of this idiocy is a Yale PhD, so it is understandable that he makes no sense at all, that he is a warmonger and a fool. His attitude is simply an extension of the worst excesses of the neocons from 20+ years ago, whose most fervent desire was a robust American foreign policy that included making war on anyone with the temerity to disagree with Pax Americana.

Otto von Bismarck had many intelligent things to say about the world, including his most famous quotation: "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier." We would be well served to embrace that sentiment with respect to Ukraine, because the entire country isn't worth the life of a single American...soldier or civilian.

[Hat Tip: "dhmosquito"]

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:00 AM (II0jt)

2 Sponge can be 2nd

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:00 AM (II0jt)

3 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Why TF would anyone give Ukraine nukes?!?!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 11:01 AM (mo/0F)

5 Yeah, what he said

F ukraine

Posted by: Zeera. 'We want fun and we wanna get wasted!' at June 13, 2023 11:02 AM (6I2Cp)

6 Clearly, our political/ruling class is insane. Apparently there's a lot of that going around.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)

7 What Biden should instead do is tell Russia clearly that any use of nuclear weapons of any size against Ukraine will lead to U.S. provision of the same types of nuclear weapons to Ukraine without any controls on where and how Ukraine might use them.

This is the worst possible scenario of all the scenario.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

8 Russian stooge !

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 11:03 AM (bs+z0)

9 Pomeranian Grenadiers? The yapping would certainly be annoying.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at June 13, 2023 11:03 AM (WVre4)

10 Bismarck was inspired and promoted in memory of Duncan, King of the Scots, and all his donut shops from coast to coast.

Posted by: Kindltot - proud whining that he can barely see the surf on the beach because of the fog at June 13, 2023 11:03 AM (7cIYz)

11 Not a member of the Ukraine Fanclub… primarily because of the members of that fanclub… I will Never share any common cause with them..

Posted by: tubal at June 13, 2023 11:03 AM (PCK5/)

12 There are no good guys in this

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (bs+z0)

13 No nukes for ukes.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (28IDa)

14 Russia nuking DC?

*weighs the pros and cons*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (aD39U)

15 Good rant CBD
I still hold my opinion that Putin is playing Czar and trying to gain former Russian ground bzck.

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (II0jt)

16 "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier."

Harsh.

Posted by: m at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (SpRPx)

17 The Otto von Bismarck quote shows that old Otto valued his countrymen. Our spit 'ruling class' do NOT value their countrymen, especially the icky flyover and southern state folks that join the military.

Posted by: PaleRider at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (83y/e)

18 WH Claims Biden Is “Restoring The Integrity Of The Department Of Jackassery”

Posted by: SMOD at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (RHGPo)

19 Then: Nuclear disarmament is our most important goal

Now: AND YOU GET SOME NUKES, AND YOU GET SOME NUKES!

Posted by: Leftwing foreign policy experts at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (lc5cP)

20 Can Biden Deter a Russia Nuclear Attack on Ukraine? Yes, if He Gives Ukraine Tactical Nukes
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There seems to be alot of that going around lately...

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper · 5h
BREAKING: Belarus leader Lukashenko warns his country will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons in case of aggression against it - Belta

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (Vwz3I)

21 On another note, when does Trump get dragged in front of the Gestapo ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (bs+z0)

22 As CBD says, this is a border/territorial dispute and we should stay out of it. What national interests are served by getting involved?

We should be much more concerned about the border/territorial dispute much closer to home...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (YIVH2)

23 One country run by thugs and oligarchs invaded another country run by thugs and oligarchs. My field of fucks to give lies fallow.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 13, 2023 11:05 AM (u73oe)

24 It still strikes me as amazing that we have so many DC/NYC leftists pushing for nuclear war with Russia.

I guess they've got some really good sunscreen.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (lc5cP)

25 And the Russia he [Putin] has nurtured is corrupt (although probably not on the scale of Ukraine!), with Putin himself being the ultimate recipient of much of that corruption.

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Nor on the scale of the U.S. now.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (+z+6a)

26 I'm not sure that Ukraine is worth the life of a single Ukrainian. Imagine giving up the ghost for that shithole. But that's ultimately the Ukes' decision, which they can leave me out of.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (Eu9d8)

27 Oh, the inanity!

Posted by: Hindenburg Announcer Guy at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (gf7Ez)

28 I have a Pomeranian Grenadier Battalion in my miniature collection, that quote from Bismarck is new to me

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (II0jt)

29 For some reason, the Deep State wants war with Russia. I guess the appeal is money and the thrill of playing fast and loose with other people's lives.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (Emce2)

30 Sex and the Single Pomeranian Grenadier didn't do to well on Broadway.

Posted by: But I really don't recall at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (DhOHl)

31 If we don't stop Putin in Ukraine, before you know it, Washington DC will be filled with communists.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (aD39U)

32 The whole purpose of de-nuking Ukraine with promises of being brought into the EU was to prevent this scenario and to insure lots of grift forever by our betters. Never play Bio Warfare with a country that numbers 1.3B nor play Nukes with a country that has the largest nuke warheads in the world. Just sayin.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (2graF)

33 a bully, a tyrant, a killer of political opponents

He’d fit right in over here.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (lGYqC)

34 Malcolm X was the best Scottish king!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (Vwz3I)

35 Pomeranian can be mean little buggers.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (WVre4)

36 Pomeranian Grenadiers? The yapping would certainly be annoying.

You asked for it.

https://youtu.be/l59XbJZdP8c

Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (nfrXX)

37 Otto von Bismarck: "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier."

Pomeranian grenadier: "Thanks...I think"

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at June 13, 2023 11:07 AM (t4BDZ)

38 31 If we don't stop Putin in Ukraine, before you know it, Washington DC will be filled with communists.
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Fait accompli.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:08 AM (2graF)

39 What Biden should instead do is tell Russia clearly that any use of nuclear weapons of any size against Ukraine

Where the fighting is occurring are areas where Russian/Russian friendly people live. There is no sense in using nukes there.

They could nuke Kiev or Lviv or some such but at least so far the Russians have been very keen to avoid targeting civilians so it would be a complete change of strategy that doesn't really make much sense.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 13, 2023 11:08 AM (lc5cP)

40 "Single Pomeranian Grenadier" was the original "B" side to "One Tin Soldier".

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 13, 2023 11:08 AM (N3zMI)

41 >>> On another note, when does Trump get dragged in front of the Gestapo ?

Looks like 3pm

Posted by: DJ at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (uosPt)

42 They have Pomeranians in Grenada? That's nice.

Posted by: Emily Litella at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (DhOHl)

43 30 Sex and the Single Girl was peak Natalie Wood.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (lGYqC)

44 Can Biden Deter a Russia Nuclear Attack on Ukraine? Yes, if He Gives Ukraine Tactical Nukes

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A la the Babylon Bee, I jokingly suggested some months ago that Biden would simply give Ukraine nukes.

The Left has killed parody ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (+z+6a)

45 Should have said "The left has nuked parody."

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (+z+6a)

46 Now I have a mental image of a bunch of fluffy little dogs invading Poland.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (WVre4)

47 Well, yes. All of the Ukraine shit is insane.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (zZu0s)

48 For some reason, the Deep State wants war with Russia. I guess the appeal is money and the thrill of playing fast and loose with other people's lives.

Also we can't have nationalist leaders opposing globohomo.

Do you know how expensive a redheaded/blonde orphan is now?!?

Posted by: The Deep State at June 13, 2023 11:09 AM (lc5cP)

49 23 One country run by thugs and oligarchs invaded another country run by thugs and oligarchs. My field of fucks to give lies fallow.
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Wait until they stand up the Trannie Brigades.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:10 AM (2graF)

50 Why TF would anyone give Ukraine nukes?!?!
Posted by: Lizzy at June 13, 2023 11:01 AM (mo/0F)

It is a combination of Bidden being completely compromised, his "team" being full of neo-cons who are also hoping to be likewise compromised, and a whole load of folk that stand to lose a huge amount of influence and money if Putin gets his hands on all the receipts.
Elon Musk recently said in an interview that the flow of history is towards the most amusing outcome. I am trying to figure out what that would be here.

Posted by: Kindltot - proud whining that he can barely see the surf on the beach because of the fog at June 13, 2023 11:10 AM (7cIYz)

51 many people find Putin to be distasteful...a bully, a tyrant, a killer of political opponents
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I wonder how many of those "political opponents" were CIA assets, given DC's known behavior over the last couple of decades.

Posted by: Methos at June 13, 2023 11:10 AM (kOpft)

52 Is this about me?

Posted by: Daddy Warbucks at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM (DhOHl)

53 Otto von Bismarck had many intelligent things to say about the world, including his most famous quotation: "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier."

Didn't he also say that the next war would be because of some 'damned fool thing in the Balkans?'

Or am I thinking of someone else?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM (AW0uW)

54 Why TF would anyone give Ukraine nukes?!?!
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I'm just going to say "tangerine."

Posted by: Alfred at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM (kOpft)

55 Every reason for hating Putin can be pointed right back at the Biden Junta.

From imprisoning political opponents, to robbing the country blind, to suppressing dissent.

Soviet America has *no* moral justification above that of the now non-Soviet Russia.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM (lc5cP)

56 As I have been saying since the start of this idiotic war the genesis of the war and for that matter the Russia collusion hoax, the Ukraine impeachment and the massive corruption that is slowly being exposed about the Bidens and eventually many more is the failed foreign policy plans of the globalist neocons that have wanted to expand NATO eastward for decades.

Everything that has been going on in Eastern Europe since the middle of the Obama administration until now has its roots in this horrible policy that gains the US exactly dick.

Putin doesn't like the idea of us breaking our word on NATO expansion and moving into places he considers his sphere of influence and his buffer against the west. Go figure. He also didn't like that we ran a coup in Ukraine in 2014 or that we set up bio labs there. None of the bullshit the media says is true.

The only break we got in this strategy was under Trump and miraculously Putin didn't do squat in Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM (ZLI7S)

57 We all know none of this is about Ukrainia and its war. This is about a globally dominating position, market dominance and so forth. Ukraine war is just a means to end that was /is available to a certain club.

Posted by: runner at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM (uvOn5)

58 There are no good guys in this
Posted by: It's me donna

I get a kick out of anti-hunters watching a video on Facebook and they say, "if you want to shoot something so much, why don't you go to Ukraine?"

Why? WTF does Ukraine have to do with anything? Not my monkeys, not my circus.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (gFoGk)

59 53 Yes, that was also Bismarck.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (lGYqC)

60 *means to an end

Posted by: runner at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (uvOn5)

61 Otto von Bismarck had many intelligent things to say about the world, including his most famous quotation: "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier." We would be well served to embrace that sentiment with respect to Ukraine, because the entire country isn't worth the life of a single American...soldier or civilian.

A very small segment of the US population has a deep and stately investment in the current Ukranian "financial" system. A "financial" system that is well-documented and carefully distributed. Phone records are included, or so we've been informed by the FBI and Congress. Lots of tails being wagged here.

Posted by: mrp at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (rj6Yv)

62 Ukraine is home to some of the largest money laundering operations our government uses. The *biden clan and their hangers on certainly have a lot to lose if Putin wins. And I'm not talking about just money.

The deflection to war is hiding the corruption not only inherent to Ukraine, but also FedGov.

To those pulling the strings it's worth all the sabre rattling.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (Q4IgG)

63 CBD, the 80's called and they want their foreign policy back.

Har-de-har-har!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (RIvkX)

64 We've always been at war with Ukrainia.

Posted by: 1984 at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (DhOHl)

65 No.

The center of gravity for Russia is OIL.

If we decided to become energy independent again, and drill/frack like there is no tomorrow, the price of oil plummets. Russia’s GDP and budget are dominated by the price of oil. If it falls, Russia is screwed. They leave Ukraine because they can’t afford it. We win without firing a shot or deploying ANYBODY. Oh, and our economy expands, even. (I’m no isolationist, but I do not want to go to military options when better, more effective ones abound.)

But I forget who is in charge…

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (G2Uuw)

66 To think Hillary Clinton may be the woman to launch a thousand nukes. Somehow this should never happen.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (2graF)

67 Our "elites" really are trying to kill us off. They mean it when they say that the Earth's population should be around 500 million.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (xxG/v)

68 Sex and the Single Pomeranian Grenadier didn't do to well on Broadway.

Posted by: But I really don't recall at June 13, 2023 11:06 AM (DhOHl)

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TBF, it was up against Cats at the time.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (+z+6a)

69 Where is Pomerania?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (WVre4)

70 Tjose who are supplying weapons to Ukraine do not give a shoot about Ukraine.

Posted by: runner at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (uvOn5)

71 No nukes for ukes.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (28IDa)

NUKES FOR UKES
END THE WORLD

Posted by: Aum Shinrikyo is not Anime at June 13, 2023 11:14 AM (7cIYz)

72 To think Hillary Clinton may be the woman to launch a thousand nukes. Somehow this should never happen.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (2graF)

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Previously regarded as "The Face that Launched a Thousand Pukes."

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:14 AM (+z+6a)

73 NUKES FOR UKES
END THE WORLD

Posted by: Aum Shinrikyo is not Anime at June 13, 2023 11:14 AM (7cIYz)

Burma Shave

Posted by: 18-1 at June 13, 2023 11:14 AM (lc5cP)

74 Reading Bismark quotes gives me a sinking feeling.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at June 13, 2023 11:15 AM (vN+oL)

75 69 Where is Pomerania?

Just east of Ukrainia.

Posted by: Maps R Us at June 13, 2023 11:15 AM (DhOHl)

76 Why TF would anyone give Ukraine nukes?!?!

So much for Obama's New START treaty (that was supposed to expire in 2026)

Unless the drop in nuke warheads doesn't include giving them away.

I thought it was interesting all of the pissing and moaning about preventing Iran from having the bomb, and now we are talking about giving it away to one of the most corrupt and feckless actors who is actively in war and have expressed an immediate desire to use it.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:15 AM (YXHzG)

77 It sure seems like a lot of Beltway insiders and journalists think that Russia would launch nukes that would only hit the icky places where hicks live and the U.S. has or had nuclear missiles and their coastal areas would be unscathed. It feels like in their twisted minds this would solve CAGW, taking out undesirable people and all those icky feed lots that produce pork and beef. The food shortages would take out the undesirables in their states while they would magically be fine and then they'd enjoy their utopia.

Or perhaps their motives are not evil but they are just idiots pushing notions that would result in unprecedented misery and death but thinking they are saving the world.

Posted by: PaleRider at June 13, 2023 11:16 AM (83y/e)

78 In a way it's probably a good thing that Billy Jeff got the Ukraine to give up their nukes.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 13, 2023 11:16 AM (flINI)

79 Burma Shave
Post

by: 18-1 at June 13, 2023 11:14 AM (lc5cP)

Myanmar shave

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 11:16 AM (bs+z0)

80 Find someone who loves you as much as our government suddenly loves Ukraine.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 13, 2023 11:16 AM (KbCG3)

81 I thought it was interesting all of the pissing and moaning about preventing Iran from having the bomb, and now we are talking about giving it away to one of the most corrupt and feckless actors who is actively in war and have expressed an immediate desire to use it.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:15 AM (YXHzG)
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"The graft must flow!" -- Frank Herbert (probably)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 13, 2023 11:16 AM (YIVH2)

82 Oh yeah, use the increase in oil revenue to finance building border fortifications that force people to go to Ports Of Entry (you better have a passport!) and construct a system where the United States institutes exit visas like what the Schengen Zone, Australia and Japan have. Russia leaves Ukraine whimpering. We do nothing there at all.

Again, I forget who is in charge…

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 13, 2023 11:16 AM (G2Uuw)

83 There would’ve been no WWI had Bismarck been in power when the Archduke was assassinated.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (lGYqC)

84 Ukraine HAD nukes, they gave them up, in part due to an understanding (but not legal treaty) that the US would guarantee their borders.

The point is, they had nukes and didn't use them. They are as trustworthy as, oh, the US is at least. Hell, if the Pakis and Indians haven't nuked each other yet, it's proof that other nations understand the genie in the bottle that is nuclear war.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (xcxpd)

85 I thought it was interesting all of the pissing and moaning about preventing Iran from having the bomb, and now we are talking about giving it away to one of the most corrupt and feckless actors who is actively in war and have expressed an immediate desire to use it.

No see you don't get it. Yes Zelensky would immediately nuke Russian cities. But the Russians couldn't do anything to us because we didn't fire them.

Brilliant right!

Why yes I do have an apartment in America's largest , best city and...why would I see where it is on "NukeMap" whatever that might be?

Posted by: Your betters at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (lc5cP)

86 Where is Pomerania?

Near Lichtenstein.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (gFoGk)

87 Every day I used to wake up, dreading to find out that the other shoe has dropped… I am past that now, nothing surprises me anymore…

Posted by: tubal at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (PCK5/)

88 Seen on Insty: WEF has announced that the peasants will not be allowed to have any cars. So everyone who knew that was the actual thing hiding behind the EV smokescreen, collect your winnings.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (ZGrMX)

89 We would be well served to embrace that sentiment with respect to Ukraine, because the entire country isn't worth the life of a single American...soldier or civilian.

I donno bout that. This country has a surplus of worthless, no good shitstains who aren't worth the life of one starving dog tick.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 11:17 AM (pohLc)

90 Russia/Ukraine is a European problem. If the Euros want it solved, let them solve it. Otherwise, just let the two of them battle it out. It is over seventy-five years since the end of WW II. The Cold War ended a couple decades ago. Why the hell are we still in Europe? The U.S. has spent untold millions of dollars rebuilding and defending Europe.

Enough already. We need to pack up and come home. We have other problems, mainly China. The Euros can pay for their own problems.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at June 13, 2023 11:18 AM (B7rlW)

91 Unless the drop in nuke warheads doesn't include giving them away.
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Technically, if you use a bunch of them, you'll have fewer than when you started.

Posted by: Methos at June 13, 2023 11:18 AM (kOpft)

92 Where is Pomerania?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (WVre4)

Now? Maybe Poland?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:18 AM (ZCCyW)

93 Technically, if you use a bunch of them, you'll have fewer than when you started.

And...fewer of you people!

Posted by: Klaus Schwab at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (lc5cP)

94 Ukraine had nukes when it was part of the USSR.
After the breakup of the USSR, the nukes remained.
Ukraine surrendered its nukes during negotiations brokered by the USA some years ago.
There is a lot of reading on the subject matter should one look it up.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (MeG8a)

95 Pomerania is on the Baltic Coast, now part if Poland

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (II0jt)

96 >>In a way it's probably a good thing that Billy Jeff got the Ukraine to give up their nukes.

Maybe not such a good idea.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (ZLI7S)

97 No.

The center of gravity for Russia is OIL.

If we decided to become energy independent again, and drill/frack like there is no tomorrow, the price of oil plummets. Russia’s GDP and budget are dominated by the price of oil. If it falls, Russia is screwed. They leave Ukraine because they can’t afford it. We win without firing a shot or deploying ANYBODY. Oh, and our economy expands, even. (I’m no isolationist, but I do not want to go to military options when better, more effective ones abound.)

But I forget who is in charge…

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 13, 2023 11:12 AM (G2Uuw)

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+1

The Junta has only made Bad Vlad, thought by some to be the richest kleptocrat in the world, much richer.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (+z+6a)

98 Here's the critical issue: we will not thrive in a world in which Vladimir Putin is still in charge of a regional power that has annexed territory by means of any any attack nuclear or otherwise on a civilian population in the heart of Europe.

History has taught us this lesson.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (RIvkX)

99 DOOM! The wife listens to a podcaster "Canadian Prepper". He has some interesting .... information. I have not listened to or checked into them. But one that got my attention is that our Annual Debt is something like 120 percent of our GDP. Russia's is 10 percent of their GDP. IF that is true, Putin is doing something right. He may not be bankrolling is Dashia, like Biden. He maybe actually looing at taking care of his people?

Yea, I know CRAZY-TALK!

Posted by: Paladin at June 13, 2023 11:20 AM (3IOdT)

100 Pomerania is on the Baltic Coast, now part if Poland
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (II0jt)
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He's on a roll.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:20 AM (RIvkX)

101 Reading Bismark quotes gives me a sinking feeling.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at June 13, 2023 11:15 AM (vN+oL)

heh

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 13, 2023 11:20 AM (AiZBA)

102 95 West of East Prussia

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:20 AM (II0jt)

103 There would’ve been no WWI had Bismarck been in power when the Archduke was assassinated.

Or had Franz Josef told his General Staff to stand down.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 11:21 AM (AW0uW)

104 102 95 West of East Prussia
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:20 AM (II0jt)

As a history buff, I'm sad Prussia doesn't exist anymore.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

105 Seen on Insty: WEF has announced that the peasants will not be allowed to have any cars. So everyone who knew that was the actual thing hiding behind the EV smokescreen, collect your winnings.
Posted by: Ian S.

Dear WEF,
Please to not be caught trespassing in Texas.
Sincerely,
Texas

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:21 AM (gFoGk)

106 If we decided to become energy independent again, and drill/frack like there is no tomorrow, the price of oil plummets. Russia’s GDP and budget are dominated by the price of oil. If it falls, Russia is screwed. They leave Ukraine because they can’t afford it. We win without firing a shot or deploying ANYBODY.

The junta doesn't want the war to end. It's keeping the defense contractors propped up, and they're way more politically important in DC than oil companies.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)

107 There would’ve been no WWI had Bismarck been in power when the Archduke was assassinated.

Or had Franz Josef told his General Staff to stand down.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 11:21 AM (AW0uW)

***

Indeed

Posted by: Gavrilo Princip at June 13, 2023 11:22 AM (flINI)

108 WW1 would have happened regardless. Just waiting for a reason. They wanted war and the archduke was just the excuse they needed.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 11:22 AM (pohLc)

109 I have a neighbor who has the Ukistani and homo flags-on a flag pole. Usually it’s Uke up top, homo below (insert joke here). For June it gets reversed with the homo flag on top. Of course nary a US flag to be seen on the property.

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:22 AM (QvNbJ)

110 Here's the critical issue: we will not thrive in a world in which Vladimir Putin is still in charge of a regional power that has annexed territory by means of any any attack nuclear or otherwise on a civilian population in the heart of Europe.

History has taught us this lesson.
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That is silly.

Our lack of thriving has nothing at all to do with Russia and everything to do with our tolerance of progressives and their false governments.

Posted by: Methos at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (kOpft)

111 Over 100,

New MoMe date and location for you west coasters! Check left sidebar!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (eY0nO)

112 EV tanks !!! EV jets!!!

Posted by: tubal at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (PCK5/)

113 Why TF would anyone give Ukraine nukes?!?!

Maybe on consignment. 10% for the big guy.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (Sv58p)

114 History has taught us this lesson.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (RIvkX)

There are many contested areas of the world. Why is eastern Ukraine so special?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (ZCCyW)

115 I have a neighbor who has the Ukistani and homo flags-on a flag pole. Usually it’s Uke up top, homo below (insert joke here). For June it gets reversed with the homo flag on top. Of course nary a US flag to be seen on the property.

It would be terrible if those flags caught on fire at 3 in the morning.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (ZGrMX)

116 Where is Pomerania?
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Bordering the Baltic Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Swedish_Pomerania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerania

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (Vwz3I)

117 >>Here's the critical issue: we will not thrive in a world in which Vladimir Putin is still in charge of a regional power that has annexed territory by means of any any attack nuclear or otherwise on a civilian population in the heart of Europe.

I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about western leadership than I am about Putin.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (ZLI7S)

118 Can Biden Deter a Russia Nuclear Attack on Ukraine? Yes, if He Gives Ukraine Tactical Nukes

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The Award for Worst Idea In the History of Worst Ideas goes to . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (FVME7)

119 As a history buff, I'm sad Prussia doesn't exist anymore.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

I'm a fan of their blue.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (Emce2)

120 I remember Dad saying "turn on the news, lets see if WW3 has started". Now I just look to the west and see if there's a strange glow where Tinker AFB used to be.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (rLD7a)

121 31
If we don't stop Putin in Ukraine, before you know it, Washington DC will be filled with communists.

Hahahaha!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (ruYJi)

122 >>In a way it's probably a good thing that Billy Jeff got the Ukraine to give up their nukes.

Maybe not such a good idea.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (ZLI7S)

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There was a commenter here (don't recall the nic) who -- when this topic was discussed after F. Joe gave Russia the green light to invade (both implicitly by surrendering in Afghanistan, and explicitly with his "minor incursion" comment) -- kept insisting that those nukes were worthless as Russia still had all the codes & controls.

Personally not well-informed enough on the subject, but maybe one of yous on this here Smart Military Blog can put me to some learnin'.

[And where is rhomboid when you need him? Haven't seen him around in awhile, now that I think about it ...]

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (+z+6a)

123 Putin may be a lot of things, but I’m pretty sure turning 1/2 his country into Pedo groomers isn’t on his to do list. So by that alone he’s better than 95% of Democrats.

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (QvNbJ)

124 Good rant CBD
I still hold my opinion that Putin is playing Czar and trying to gain former Russian ground bzck.
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:04 AM (II0jt)

I am not sure that reflexive hatred is the best stance: Imagine if the United States fractures due to financial and political corruption into a number of regional countries of varying levels of political dysfunction and, say, The republic of Greater Texas has been putting together the whole Federal mess again and, say. United Caliphates is using Venezuela to funnel money and arms into the Piedmont Republic (VA, NC, GA) to resist because "those cowboys ain't threatening us ever again"
and talk about giving them Silkworms tipped with low yeild nukes.

Who is right here?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (7cIYz)

125 So that "Syrian Christian" that was running around stabbing kids in France the other day? Yeah, turns out he's a muslim named Selwan Majd according to the crew over at jihad watch:

https://tinyurl.com/5n7yttck

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (Bd6X8)

126 Pomerania is on the Baltic Coast, now part if Poland
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (II0jt)
===

He's on a roll.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

I didn't know Skip was the Kaiser.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (gFoGk)

127 Vlad Putin is basically a Tzar with a Tzar's attitude towards his people (he's protective and supportive of them) and towards his borders (he wants to expand them to 'defensive' positions).

As for the Ukraine war, he's committed to this expansion and the poor slavs in Ukraine are committed to not being owned by Russia again. So the war will go on and on until something breaks, probably in the Ukraine.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (xcxpd)

128 I have a neighbor who has the Ukistani and homo flags-on a flag pole.

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Tomorrow is Flag Day. Should be a hoot!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:25 AM (FVME7)

129 108 Bismarck didn’t want war once the Prussians took care of France. That was crazy Kaiser Willy and his peeps.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:25 AM (lGYqC)

130 If we decided to become energy independent again, and drill/frack like there is no tomorrow, the price of oil plummets.

Now explain that business model to your banker and your investor prospects.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (YXHzG)

131 Sex and the Single Girl was peak Natalie Wood.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

If only she had floated.....

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (T4tVD)

132 119 As a history buff, I'm sad Prussia doesn't exist anymore.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

I'm a fan of their blue.
Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (Emce2)

The color or the album?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (xcxpd)

133 Here's the critical issue: we will not thrive in a world in which Vladimir Putin is still in charge of a regional power that has annexed territory by means of any any attack nuclear or otherwise on a civilian population in the heart of Europe.

History has taught us this lesson.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:19 AM (RIvkX)

I can't tell if this is serious nor not, limiting as the expression is. I thought we did pretty well when Napoleon was running wild. We prospered even as Hitler was overrunning France.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (aD39U)

134 In WWII the Nazis fired their V-1&2 rockets from Peenemunde Island that was part of Pomerania

Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (II0jt)

135 And what about if they decide to use one to nuke Moscow?

they'll need a bigger drone

Posted by: anachronda at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (oY6Yp)

136 I understand that many people find Putin to be distasteful...a bully, a tyrant, a killer of political opponents. And the Russia he has nurtured is corrupt (although probably not on the scale of Ukraine!), with Putin himself being the ultimate recipient of much of that corruption.

While I do not dispute this, it should be noted that we know these things because we've been told them by a media which has lied to us about absolutely everything else.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (we8o1)

137 125 So that "Syrian Christian" that was running around stabbing kids in France the other day? Yeah, turns out he's a muslim named Selwan Majd according to the crew over at jihad watch:

https://tinyurl.com/5n7yttck
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at June 13, 2023 11:24 AM (Bd6X

A case of taqqiya, I wager. False flag an event to discredit the enemy.

Posted by: Moki at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (JrN/x)

138
If only she had floated.....
Posted by: JT at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (T4tVD)

Wasn't gonna happen.

Posted by: Robert Wagner at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

139 DU barely discuss the war, so let's see what DailyKos' discussions say in response to: The West should "start thinking about the endgame" in Ukraine, says RAND's @scharap.

Once all Russian power is spent and they have no manpower for a generation, make sure every NATO country (including post-war Ukraine, fully restored to its pre-war territory including crimea) near Russia has the power to put down the rabid dog if it leaves its borders.

Endgame: rashists are driven out of Ukraine; all kidnapped children are returned; war criminals are prosecuted; reparations are paid.

Good start. In addition:
1) Give up seat on UN Security Council.
2) Abandon Kaliningrad.
3) % of all oil/gas sales to Ukraine for 20 years.

I love to think of the end game!

Japan gets their islands back.

China gets international recognition for their rule over Outer Manchuria in exchange for backing off Taiwan.

Muscovy returns to 1462 borders.

All the ethnic groups get self determination.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (oOxV9)

140 While I do not dispute this, it should be noted that we know these things because we've been told them by a media which has lied to us about absolutely everything else.
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This is true.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (2graF)

141 In my hood there were a ton of Uke flags last year. This summer, a smattering here and there. I guess a lot of them got bored and decided to move on to the new virtue signal thing.

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:27 AM (QvNbJ)

142 I have a neighbor who has the Ukistani and homo flags-on a flag pole.

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Tomorrow is Flag Day. Should be a hoot!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for Fun With Flags.
Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:28 AM (gFoGk)

143
If the Ukraine foofaraw were being run like an actual, serious war in our national interest...then maybe I could give a fuck.

But, that's clearly not what we have here.

What we have is no more or less than-

A bought and paid for "war" effort to maintain the best graft and bribery conduit in the world for the connected and using our military resources so that the WEF/Davos/Soros/China/et al. crowd can get rogue nation Russia and Putin under control and into their Great Reset imperium.

Yeah, Putin is horrible and a turd, and hopefully will lose this gambit, but I don't care one way or the other. Because along with all of the above, Ukraine interfered in our elections and schemed/helped to get rid of a duly elected president, so fuck them too.

If they could both lose that would be great.

And defending Ukraine borders...eh, talk to me about it after we defend and secure our own borders.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 13, 2023 11:28 AM (fb7jX)

144 I don't think Putin is nearly as bad as we've been told.

Biden, during his lifetime, has been far worse simply because he never put his country first. It's always been about furthering himself and his jackass family.

I like Putin's stance on the trans bullshit.
And I've recently read he's anti-GMO. Even giving citizens land to grow organic crops. Interesting if true.

Zalensky has jailed his political opponents and more. I don't want to hear about Putin.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 11:28 AM (DcKNO)

145 A case of taqqiya, I wager. False flag an event to discredit the enemy.

It's easier to get asylum status in Western Europe if you pretend to be Christian.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:28 AM (2tUFv)

146 131 Sex and the Single Girl was peak Natalie Wood.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

If only she had floated.....

you would think that, being made of wood, she would have been lighter than a duck.

Posted by: anachronda at June 13, 2023 11:28 AM (oY6Yp)

147 Vlad Putin is basically a Tzar with a Tzar's attitude towards his people

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Tzar Wars!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (FVME7)

148 128 One of the locals has two flag poles. US Flag with a Trump 2024 below on one, State flag and a CBF below on the other. No surprise no pride flags there.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (rLD7a)

149 If only she had floated.....
Posted by: JT at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (T4tVD)

Wasn't gonna happen.
Posted by: Robert Wagner

She was not a witch.
Posted by: Maury Povich

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (gFoGk)

150 And I've recently read he's anti-GMO. Even giving citizens land to grow organic crops. Interesting if true.

The WEF and friends are also anti-GMO, because GMO is the only reason we can feed the current population.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (ZGrMX)

151 Here's the critical issue: we will not thrive in a world in which Vladimir Putin is still in charge of a regional power that has annexed territory by means of any any attack nuclear or otherwise on a civilian population in the heart of Europe.

Vlad could conquer all of Europe and it would be a vast improvement over the current ruling psychopaths in Brussels.

Nord Stream could open up again with actual customers and Vlad would have the clout to hurt the FUSA tyrants if they care to try again to blow it up.

The Clear and Present Danger to world peace is WEF and Kalorama.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (YXHzG)

152 The color or the album?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:26 AM (xcxpd)

Isn't this pretty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Prussian_blue

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (Emce2)

153 Tzar Wars!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (FVME7)

I can hear the John Williams score in my head.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (aD39U)

154 Can Biden Deter a Russia Nuclear Attack on Ukraine? Yes, if He Gives Ukraine Tactical Nukes

--

Love.
It.

The left loved Russia right up until the moment that they refused to allow The Gay men to continue adopting Russian children to abuse.

Then that was cause for a nuclear war.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (etIVw)

155 So that "Syrian Christian" that was running around stabbing kids in France the other day? Yeah, turns out he's a muslim named Selwan Majd according to the crew over at jihad watch:
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Yeah, I figured it was taqiyya as why would a Christian kill other Christians [even if he did claim it was over Western interference in Syria]; and while yelling the very un-Christian "Jesus Christ is God!" [I think that was it -- some version of allahu akbar anyway.]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (Vwz3I)

156 Left: stupid Reagan was an actor and Trump was nothing but a game show host. Totally unqualified to be leaders.

Also left: oh my god former actor/comedian Zelensky is the most best president the world has ever seen

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (QvNbJ)

157 Bismarck didn’t want war once the Prussians took care of France. That was crazy Kaiser Willy and his peeps.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:25 AM (lGYqC)

IIRC, Wilhelm was all brag and no sword. He liked 'victories' that cost him nothing, but the General Staffs of both the German and Austrian armies were aching for war. I was just reading Frederic Morton's Thunder at Midnight and it's depressingly sad to see Wilhelm - after Austria sent Serbia its demands - do his best to stop a war that he had a huge hand in preparing.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (AW0uW)

158 147 Vlad Putin is basically a Tzar with a Tzar's attitude towards his people

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Tzar Wars!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (FVME7)

Keep Disney away from that idea.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

159 I would use the movie "Fail Safe" as a guide here.

I would trade washington dc, new yawk, san francisco and ottawa for moscow. 4 leftist shitholes no one would miss.

One nuke each, or maybe two just to make sure.

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (dQWfI)

160 Left: stupid Reagan was an actor and Trump was nothing but a game show host. Totally unqualified to be leaders.

Also left: oh my god former actor/comedian Zelensky is the most best president the world has ever seen
Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (QvNbJ)

Because the left, as a whole, is bedshit crazy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

161 Yeah, I figured it was taqiyya as why would a Christian kill other Christians [even if he did claim it was over Western interference in Syria]; and while yelling the very un-Christian "Jesus Christ is God!" [I think that was it -- some version of allahu akbar anyway.]
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (Vwz3I)

Unless he was an anti-docetist?

Posted by: Moki at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (JrN/x)

162 Now? Maybe Poland?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:18 AM (ZCCyW)

Bay of Danzig (Gulf of Gdansk) Germany/Poland.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (OgrpQ)

163 The WEF and friends are also anti-GMO, because GMO is the only reason we can feed the current population.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (ZGrMX)

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I have not heard that about the WEF. I had read that a number of WEF members had ties to Monsanto.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (DcKNO)

164 And I've recently read he's anti-GMO. Even giving citizens land to grow organic crops. Interesting if true.
-

The WEF and friends are also anti-GMO, because GMO is the only reason we can feed the current population.

--

GMO is bad except for untested genetic chemicals you inject into yourself and your children every three months.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (etIVw)

165 128 I have a neighbor who has the Ukistani and homo flags-on a flag pole.
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My neighborhood had a quick spat of Ukie flags flying but since this is NOVA and everyone works for the Fed the flags came down pretty quickly. Even Wine Moms are aware of how fucked up DC and Dems are. Not enough to change their votes but rather to not be seen as a fool by their fellow Wine Moms.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (2graF)

166 One of the locals has two flag poles. US Flag with a Trump 2024 below on one, State flag and a CBF below on the other. No surprise no pride flags there.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Local has a Trump 24 & a Texas Nationalist Movement flag on corner of their pasture fronting US 82 just west of Bonham.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (gFoGk)

167 Isn't this pretty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Prussian_blue
Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (Emce2)

Very. Would look nice with gold trim

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (xcxpd)

168 153 Tzar Wars!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:29 AM (FVME7)

I can hear the John Williams score in my head.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (aD39U)

I've got Bill Murray's lounge singer in mine.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (N3zMI)

169 Tomorrow is Flag Day. Should be a hoot!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Flag Day *and* Trump's birthday.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (ptElO)

170 Why is eastern Ukraine so special?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:23 AM (ZCCyW)
===
Fair question. Because Europe. And because Russia. And also because Taiwan.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (RIvkX)

171 House Oversight Chairman James Comer has confirmed that there are more FBI documents detailing Biden bribery schemes. GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene revealed Some details from the FBI form 1023 related to Biden’s bribery scheme last week. A trusted and highly credible informant first presented the evidence on the Ukraine-Biden-bribery scheme in 2017.

Posted by: SMOD at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

172 Also left: oh my god former actor/comedian Zelensky is the most best president the world has ever seen

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM

Who is best known for whipping out his dick and banging it on piano keys. I guess the cia earned their paychecks when they installed him.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (ncXxy)

173 Yeah, Otto died on July 30, 1898.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (Vwz3I)

174
Keep Disney away from that idea.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

"Penis and lube and boys, OH MY!!!"

- - - - Disney Executive Board Meeting

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

175 Why is eastern Ukraine so special?
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Because that's where the Biden and Kerry families put the bioweapons labs.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (etIVw)

176 157 The guy who really got things rolling in 1914 was Leopold von Bechtold, the Austrian foreign minister. Power hungry little twerp who had the ear of the emperor.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (rLD7a)

177 "Seen on Insty: WEF has announced that the peasants will not be allowed to have any cars. So everyone who knew that was the actual thing hiding behind the EV smokescreen, collect your winnings.
Posted by: Ian S."

They know we still have Monster Truck shows, right? At best they'll get an urban EV bubble and those of us that like our trees sans homeless encampments will still use the dirty, dirty gasoline. And to even do that they'd have to massively upgrade urban grids.

Best they can do is turn out the lights. The problem for them is, it's not all that easy to turn out the lights on the very people who do the work of keeping the lights on.

Our betters believe their own narrative bulshit to the exclusion of facts on the ground far too often. I'm disappointed in how mediocre our Overlords are.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (z+89e)

178 You knew that in the end, the proposal would be to give Ukraine nukes.

Yeah, Rubin says that we should only do it if the Russians use nukes in Ukraine, but that's just to start moving the Overton Window, and get the discussion of giving nukes to Ukraine going.

Of course, this would completely destroy the nuclear non-proliferation structure that we've had for seventy years, but that is a trifle.

I seriously wonder if some of these people are in a Death Cult.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (2tUFv)

179 This will be my first comment in over a week and there's a little story behind it. Last Monday I had a breathing problem that got bad enough to warrant a trip to the ER. After some tests, they found a small amount of that protein that indicates a heart trauma, but not enough to say it was recent, so they kept me overnight.
Count of luck here is 1 but unknown to me.
Count of luck #2 is the hospital itself is full so they're going to count me as taking up a bed but I'm still physically in the ER.
Count of luck #3 is the next morning when they decide to do a sonogram and ekg on my heart and I have the massive right there so when all the alarms go off people came running in from wherever it is they're hiding .
Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

180 What is likely to happen at the Trump arraignment??

Posted by: tubal at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (PCK5/)

181 157 Yeah, Wilhelm could talk a mean game, but once the war started he became a cypher and a figurehead.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (lGYqC)

182 Zalensky has jailed his political opponents and more. I don't want to hear about Putin.

Posted by: Seems Legit

Hell, we're doing that here, too. F the Ukes and the Russians. Let's focus on the real threats within and from China.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (t9O/o)

183 My neighborhood had a quick spat of Ukie flags flying but since this is NOVA and everyone works for the Fed the flags came down pretty quickly.

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What do you mean? Isn’t the entire federal govt pushing for all out non stop war under the guise of “helping Ukraine”?

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (QvNbJ)

184
Very. Would look nice with gold trim
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (xcxpd)

And spinners!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

185 Who is best known for whipping out his dick and banging it on piano keys. I guess the cia earned their paychecks when they installed him.

For Obama, willingness to whip out your dick is a major plus. Possibly even *the* reason Z-man was chosen.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)

186 Hell, we're doing that here, too. F the Ukes and the Russians. Let's focus on the real threats within and from China.
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (t9O/

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Agree. 100%

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (DcKNO)

187 >>here was a commenter here (don't recall the nic) who -- when this topic was discussed after F. Joe gave Russia the green light to invade (both implicitly by surrendering in Afghanistan, and explicitly with his "minor incursion" comment) -- kept insisting that those nukes were worthless as Russia still had all the codes & controls.

Those might have been tipping points but I don't think they answer the real question of why did Putin invade? And for that I think you need to go back to the mission creep that has been a part of NATO since its founding and reached it's tipping point when George Bush announced at the NATO Summit in Bucharest in 2008 that Georgia and Ukraine would be offered admittance into NATO.

That was no small thing for Putin. In fact it was a red line for him which is why shortly after the 2008 Putin invaded Georgia.

Fast forward to Obama/Biden running a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and replacing a pro-Russian president with a pro-western puppet and Putin took Crimea. Then Biden suggested that he would invite Ukraine to join NATO and here we are.

And it's a huge reason Trump is facing trumped up charges today.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:34 AM (ZLI7S)

188 Count of luck #3 is the next morning when they decide to do a sonogram and ekg on my heart and I have the massive right there so when all the alarms go off people came running in from wherever it is they're hiding .
Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

Uff da. I'm glad you pulled through, that was some sweet divine providence there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:34 AM (xcxpd)

189 I would trade washington dc, new yawk, san francisco and ottawa for moscow. 4 leftist shitholes no one would miss.

One nuke each, or maybe two just to make sure.

A man can dream.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (dQWfI)
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But our weather!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:34 AM (RIvkX)

190
Hell, we're doing that here, too. F the Ukes and the Russians. Let's focus on the real threats within and from China.
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (t9O/o)

Look fat. These are good folks, FOLKS!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

191 We have already found a FGM-148 Javelin in the possession of a Mexican cartel.

Posted by: SMOD at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (RHGPo)

192 My neighborhood has "Fuck Biden" flags, but I'm an Arkie.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (pohLc)

193 I have the massive right there so when all the alarms go off people came running in from wherever it is they're hiding .
Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

Thanlfully, you were lucky indeed. Did they slam the clot busters right in? Any damage?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (aD39U)

194 171 House Oversight Chairman James Comer has confirmed that there are more FBI documents detailing Biden bribery schemes. GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene revealed Some details from the FBI form 1023 related to Biden’s bribery scheme last week. A trusted and highly credible informant first presented the evidence on the Ukraine-Biden-bribery scheme in 2017.
Posted by: SMOD at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

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Wow!!! He’s confirmed things. Next up is a letter he will write. Followed up by commissioning a blue ribbon panel to investigate.

More failure theater.

Meanwhile the Dems are about to send Trunp to prison for 20 years.

Posted by: Montec at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (QvNbJ)

195 I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

Wow.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (Zz0t1)

196 184
Very. Would look nice with gold trim
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (xcxpd)

And spinners!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

*nods*
Carmella Rose

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (xcxpd)

197 Fair question. Because Europe. And because Russia. And also because Taiwan.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (RIvkX)

Then let Europe take care of it.

Russia, as I pointed out, is a decaying country. All we have to do is pump more oil and wait them out.

We have a formal strategic alliance with Taiwan, and it is vital for world trade. We have no formal alliance with Ukraine, and it is vital for graft...nothing more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (ZCCyW)

198 Pomeranian Grenadiers? The yapping would certainly be annoying.

But they'd be just the cutest little grenadiers!

Posted by: Doggy go BOOM! at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (fE1zA)

199 I don't think Putin is nearly as bad as we've been told.

I think the problem with thinking if "Putin is bad" has everything to do with false equivocations and conflation.

Putin would be the antithesis to Constitutional Republic form of Government which requires a self regulating, Christian population.

What exists now is barbarism and paganism. Currently, until the devaluation and destruction of wealth is complete (Socialism works until it runs out of money) we have a Sodom and Gomorrah society which Putin is the perfect ruler to stomp out that evil because Putin wants to have a functional empire to rule. S&G only earns God's Holy Wrath (as we see the FUSA collapsing in Real Time).

Putin has been ruling so long, he has demonstrated that he is in the Sadistic Caligula/Nero type, but more of a Mob Boss that recognizes that his power requires the people to be in a position not desiring to overthrow him.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (YXHzG)

200 WWI all of a sudden. It is entering Boobs and .45 territory.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (zZu0s)

201 I just watched the No-Pride event held at the WH. Trannies taking their tops off so we could watch a dude with implants jiggle them around and a fake man who had hers cut off.

How simply delightful. I thought that I had witnessed evil before in my life but nothing compares to what I am seeing now.

Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (oiNtH)

202 I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)
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b"h

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (RIvkX)

203 You knew that in the end, the proposal would be to give Ukraine nukes.

The other proposal to get World War Three rolling is to send Polish and Baltic troops to fight in Ukraine in a "non-NATO" deployment.

Then, when Russia retaliates, they can scream "Article 5!" and demand that NATO protect them.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former head of NATO and adviser to Zelensky, is pushing this.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (2tUFv)

204 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

Wow... Prayers for a speedy recovery

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (bs+z0)

205 Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

I'm glad a little luck and God kept you with us, OneEyedJack.

Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (AMIL/)

206 I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.

He's got plans for you. Just don't be too surprised if you don't see what those plans are until well after they've come to fruition.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (Bd6X8)

207 Best they can do is turn out the lights. The problem for them is, it's not all that easy to turn out the lights on the very people who do the work of keeping the lights on.

Our betters believe their own narrative bulshit to the exclusion of facts on the ground far too often. I'm disappointed in how mediocre our Overlords are.

This is why the also want to kill 7 1/2 billion people first: they think they can get rid of anyone with the self-determination to oppose them, and those still left will do all those jobs just as well. We're being subjected to the shittiest communist revolution in history.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (ZGrMX)

208 Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Wow. Thank God!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (aBJcM)

209 198 Pomeranian Grenadiers? The yapping would certainly be annoying.

But they'd be just the cutest little grenadiers!

can you strap a nuke to one?

*shifty eyes* asking for a friend

Posted by: zelenskyy at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (oY6Yp)

210 How simply delightful. I thought that I had witnessed evil before in my life but nothing compares to what I am seeing now.
Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (oiNtH)
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The displays are reminiscent of Berlin and Hamburg 1932.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (RIvkX)

211 Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

OEJ, thank the Good Lord for perfect place and time. My guess is He has something for you to do! Sincerely, this is wonderful news. God bless your continued recovery!

Posted by: Moki at June 13, 2023 11:37 AM (JrN/x)

212 the left has had a boner for Putin ever since he put a stop to fags adopting little boys for their sick gay shit

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:38 AM (us2H3)

213 Did anyone else see Beck talk about the cost of Stinger missiles and how they've gone from 14,000/per to 100,000/per for Ukraine?

Someone who is good at linking (I suck), could find that video clip of how many the Ukraine wants and how many they want to use per day I think it comes out to 20 million a day, or someone equally crazy.

His point, endless wars are really great money makers for the right people.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 11:38 AM (DcKNO)

214 Not a fan at all. Joey's official schedule for today: 1 PM The President holds a meeting with Jens Stoltenberg, Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, to discuss the upcoming NATO Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania.

They need at end point for Ukraine soon. But we can't have any part of the world not agreeing with LGTBQ++, liberal use of mind numbing drugs, vaccination passports, losing its religion, Peacekeepers, green 'deals,' universal healthcare and more.

Where the problems really lay is some nations are not yet whores.

Posted by: L - very tired at June 13, 2023 11:38 AM (GshMh)

215 litle russian boys

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:38 AM (us2H3)

216 Trump had Russia and Iran under control by unleashing domestic fossil fuel development keeping oil prices - Russia's only economic tool - low.

Period. And the globalist UniParty kicked him out.

Posted by: Danimal28 at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (klw0w)

217 Unlike MAD, which was a deterrent (both sides have nukes, you send nukes our way, we'll nuke you to hell and beyond), this approach is far more dangerous, as it seems "proportional" until its not and all hell breaks loose.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

218 Wow, indeed, Jack. Glad you made it through.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (lGYqC)

219 Mmm. Trifle.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (Vwz3I)

220 You knew that in the end, the proposal would be to give Ukraine nukes.

I wonder if they'll be modified, like the missiles were, so they can't be used in Russian territory. "Uh, boss? Can we re-think this thing?"

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (Sv58p)

221 Unlike MAD, which was a deterrent (both sides have nukes, you send nukes our way, we'll nuke you to hell and beyond), this approach is far more dangerous, as it seems "proportional" until its not and all hell breaks loose.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

What, Me Worry?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

222 Russia, as I pointed out, is a decaying country. All we have to do is pump more oil and wait them out.

How does that work with high interest rates, DEI, and a business plan that guarantees high up-front costs, a highly cyclical business model and reduced profitability?

Lets say that a miracle happens and you convince hundreds of millions of defective thinking NIMBY/BANANA Americans that Green is bogus and everything they knew about "fossil fuels" was a lie and that hydrocarbons is actually life.

You still need to convince the business market that investing in hydrocarbons is better than any other investment.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (YXHzG)

223 180 What is likely to happen at the Trump arraignment??
Posted by: tubal at June 13, 2023 11:33 AM

Oh please, oh please....pre-trial confinement while awaiting trial. He's a literal Hitler and insurectionamist! I'd have a schadenboner if I hadn't been on hormone-blockers for so long.

Posted by: Lefties vigorously jacking off while watching the news at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (JCZqz)

224 His point, endless wars are really great money makers for the right people.
Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 11:38 AM (DcKNO)

THIS is a major reason WW1 was inevitable.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (pohLc)

225 I'm glad a little luck and God kept you with us, OneEyedJack.
Posted by: Gref

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (T4tVD)

226 They know we still have Monster Truck shows, right? At best they'll get an urban EV bubble and those of us that like our trees sans homeless encampments will still use the dirty, dirty gasoline. And to even do that they'd have to massively upgrade urban grids.

Best they can do is turn out the lights...

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Nah. It won't be hard at all.

Go try to buy leaded gasoline. Same thing. Trivially easy, especially now that the EPA's ability to regulate CO2 has been codified into law by the Democrats.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (etIVw)

227 From imprisoning political opponents, to robbing the country blind, to suppressing dissent.

Soviet America has *no* moral justification above that of the now non-Soviet Russia.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 13, 2023 11:11 AM

THANK YOU!

This. Even more granular: Just Whitmer's Michigan, Cuomo's New York, Newsome's California, or even Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, or Baltimore ALONE are full of corruption that eclipses Putin's Russia. Let alone our whole stinking Western bacchanalia empire.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (iKBwy)

228 I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack

Amen. HE knows why. You'll know in time.
Glad you are here.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (gFoGk)

229 Then let Europe take care of it. ...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:35 AM (ZCCyW)
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I think this is a good argument with all due respect, but the Europeans are like Joe Biden and can't help but f*ck things up if left on their own.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (RIvkX)

230 Meanwhile, the Ukrainian counter-offensive continues to shape the battlefield for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (AMIL/)

231 Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now.
I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack

Woof! Your guardian angel and The Man Upstairs were definitely looking after you that day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (AW0uW)

232 213 His point, endless wars are really great money makers for the right people.

Yep, I can go along with that.
General Smedley Butler, USMC and author.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (rLD7a)

233 I noted last night that Ukraine is doing its part to further limit what is considered acceptable discourse in the West:

Well, Elizabeth Gilbert, the author of "Eat, Pray, Love" and other novels, is abandoning the novel that she is currently writing.

The planned novel was about the Lykov family - a family of Old Believers that fled Communist repression in 1936, went into an uninhabited part of Siberia, and lived completely cut off from civilization until Soviet geologists discovered them in 1978.

The reason why she's cancelling the book?

You can no longer write a historical novel set in Russia - the internet mobs will descend on you if you do.

The Guardian:

She [Gilbert] said over the course of the weekend, after announcing the book, she had “received an enormous, massive outpouring of reactions and responses from my Ukrainian readers expressing anger, sorrow, disappointment and pain about the fact that I would choose to release a book into the world right now, any book, no matter what the subject of it is, that is set in Russia”.

This is insane.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (2tUFv)

234 I have no other place to bitch about this, so I'm hoping the Moron Horde will understand. My priest, a Ukrainian, just got sent back to Ukraine with his family. His visa expired and the Eparchy (diocese) couldn't get him extended. They followed the law and put them on the next plane out. Meanwhile, 1) we pump billions to that criminal Zelenskyy who is shutting down monasteries and holy sites and 2) drug dealers and child traffickers stream unchecked across the southern border.

I haven't felt this blackpilled in a long time. That priest was supposed to do my wedding next year.

Posted by: General Augusto Pinochet at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (tA56B)

235 This entire situation is like watching 4 year olds play with loaded guns.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (UhCah)

236 Unlike MAD, which was a deterrent (both sides have nukes, you send nukes our way, we'll nuke you to hell and beyond), this approach is far more dangerous, as it seems "proportional" until its not and all hell breaks loose.

That is assumed that the insane lunatics in the whole chain of command from issuing the order to pressing the button has the rationality and wisdom to know and abide with "proportional".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (YXHzG)

237 What is likely to happen at the Trump arraignment??

The FBI thinks Antifa is going to shoot him. By which they mean some agents wearing black over their khakis.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (ZGrMX)

238 Ukraine can build their own nukes. They may be doing so right now. They gave the nukes of the USSR in their territory up because Russia said they’d never invade.

Clearly a mistake.

Their intelligence service telling the FBI to shut down Americans expressing their opinion ended my support for Ukraine.

We don’t have to give them nukes of any kind, and we shouldn’t, nor should we extend our nuclear umbrella.

Posted by: Cowboy Wally at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (g611E)

239 216 Trump had Russia and Iran under control by unleashing domestic fossil fuel development keeping oil prices - Russia's only economic tool - low.

Period. And the globalist UniParty kicked him out.

Posted by: Danimal28 at June 13, 2023 11:39 AM (klw0w)

Under a globalist leadership, America cannot be dominant; China, Russian and Iran are fine with this, and if we want to help things along by hurting ourselves, so much the better.
As far as Iran, what was the idea there? Those guys are f'n maniacs who would be joyful to send a nuke to Israel and start WWIII. Was the goal to make a powerful Iran so that the Sunni countries would come to us for help? IF that was it, its a stupid plan.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

240 Go try to buy leaded gasoline. Same thing. Trivially easy, especially now that the EPA's ability to regulate CO2 has been codified into law by the Democrats.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie

Texas secedes. Takes1/3 of the US refining capacity with it. Shuts off all northbound pipelines.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:42 AM (gFoGk)

241 I think this is a good argument with all due respect, but the Europeans are like Joe Biden and can't help but f*ck things up if left on their own.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2023 11:40 AM (RIvkX)

Worst case is that Russia takes a big chunk of Ukraine and annexes it.

So?

What are they going to do next...invade Poland? The Poles are a very different thing than Ukraine.

This is a self-limiting war.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (ZCCyW)

242 179. Had I not been right there at that moment, I'm not here now. I can credit really good medical responses and a little luck, but I'm alive because God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why. Posted by: OneEyedJack

Divine )

Posted by: L - very tired at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (GshMh)

243 Exactly. You can cheer on Ukraine and still not wanthe US involved - and all without swallowing Muscovite b.s.

Honestly, though, Ukraine is "more" corrupt? I'd suggest reading "Darkness at Dawn," "The Less You Know, the Better You Sleep," "Putin's Kleptocracy," and the Panama Papers. It doesn't just exist in Muscovy, it's institutionalized.

I would also recommend that even though I have no doubt Ukraine has its fair share of homegrown corruption, a lot of what I'm sure you're referring to was Muscovite in origin. That includes, it appears, the Burisma/Big Guy bribery.

Posted by: Patrick74 at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (cn9kF)

244 Thanks for the Prussian Blue wiki link. I knew it was the first artificial colour but I thought German chemists did it in the mid-19th century and not very early 18th. [Must have been some other German chemist's invention like ASA, heroin, or meth I was thinking about!]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (Vwz3I)

245 His point, endless wars are really great money makers for the right people.
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THIS is a major reason WW1 was inevitable.

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It was posted here not too long ago, but there's an 80s interview with a congressional investigator from the 50s who was discussing the damage that non-profits and foundations have been doing since the early 1900s.

There's notes from IIRC Dupont's foundation to Wilson telling him that WWI can't end quickly because it's better for business and the economy for it to be drawn out.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (etIVw)

246 216 Trump had Russia and Iran under control by unleashing domestic fossil fuel development keeping oil prices - Russia's only economic tool - low.

Period. And the globalist UniParty kicked him out.
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Grifting a powerful American industry is hard. They have power and money and lots of Senators.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (2graF)

247 Go try to buy leaded gasoline. Same thing. Trivially easy, especially now that the EPA's ability to regulate CO2 has been codified into law by the Democrats.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie

Texas secedes. Takes1/3 of the US refining capacity with it. Shuts off all northbound pipelines.

Oh, and all Texans now drive Chevy SUVs and trucks from the Arlington/Grand Prarie plant.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (gFoGk)

248 Meanwhile, the Ukrainian counter-offensive continues to shape the battlefield for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

Retreating for fifteen months has concentrated their forces such that they are now invincible!

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (ptElO)

249 157
'but the General Staffs of both the German and Austrian armies were aching for war. '

The German general staff thought that Russia was the problem that needed solved before it became too powerful for them to do the job.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (ruYJi)

250 Behind the Epoc Times paywall

Nashville Shooter’s Autopsy Indicates No Testing Ordered for Potential Prescription Medications
Police chief previously said the transgender assailant was being treated for an 'emotional disorder'

The 11-page document sent to The Epoch Times showed no indication of tests being performed to indicate whether Hale was on any type of medication for a psychiatric condition or any kind of hormone therapy to aid in her transition to male.

...

Of those drugs tested for included illegal drugs and alcohol. The report indicates that Hale’s blood and urine were tested for amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, buprenorphine, cannabinoids, cocaine, fentanyl, methadone, methamphetamine, opiates, oxycodone, and phencyclidine.

No additional tests were performed, according to the information provided in this report to The Epoch Times.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (aD39U)

251 236 Unlike MAD, which was a deterrent (both sides have nukes, you send nukes our way, we'll nuke you to hell and beyond), this approach is far more dangerous, as it seems "proportional" until its not and all hell breaks loose.

That is assumed that the insane lunatics in the whole chain of command from issuing the order to pressing the button has the rationality and wisdom to know and abide with "proportional".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (YXHzG)

Commies don't believe in an afterlife; this is all there is. So they have an incentive to not blow up the world. The Iranians? They'd be happy to. Yes, there were quite a few close calls over the years where ONE MAN made a decision that prevented nuclear war. Not perfect, but, as the saying goes, Si Vis Pace, Para Bellum.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (ynpvh)

252 Meanwhile, the Ukrainian counter-offensive continues to shape the battlefield for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

The Ukrainians are proudly boasting that they've recaptured seven villages.

They haven't quite gotten to the blitzkrieg part of the counteroffensive yet.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (2tUFv)

253 Ever watch 'Bikes and Beards' on ewetube? He recites a bible verse every episode. It's a motorcycle themed channel.

It's odd that that seems strange and refreshing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (zZu0s)

254 At work, one of our Vet patients had his truck adorned with a flag "Fuck Biden" on it. During our facility wide morning meeting online, our Chaplain brought this up and wanted the Vet and the truck removed immediately. Our Chief of Police had to school him in front of everyone about the First Amendment. The Chaplain kept arguing that it was disrespectful and profane and should be removed. Our Chief told him that disrespect/profane is in the eye of the beholder and we cannot deny this Vet care and he is perfectly within his rights to have whatever flag/bumper sticker he wants on his vehicle. Quite the spectacle and final score Communist Chaplain = 0.....Police Chief = 100.

Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (oiNtH)

255 234 I have no other place to bitch about this, so I'm hoping the Moron Horde will understand. My priest, a Ukrainian, just got sent back to Ukraine with his family. His visa expired and the Eparchy (diocese) couldn't get him extended. They followed the law and put them on the next plane out. Meanwhile, 1) we pump billions to that criminal Zelenskyy who is shutting down monasteries and holy sites and 2) drug dealers and child traffickers stream unchecked across the southern border.

I haven't felt this blackpilled in a long time. That priest was supposed to do my wedding next year.
Posted by: General Augusto Pinochet at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (tA56B)

Sorry to hear that, hope your priest stays safe. And hope you find another priest you like for the wedding.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

256 General Mike Flynn said today. "The storm is HERE" ...

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (kUjcc)

257 If you email me I will send out a packet with maps, times and other information, but I am on vacation right now and it will be a day or two before you get anything other than a quick response.

I am mostly wanting a rough count for the Momee: it is a potluck

Posted by: Kindltot at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (7cIYz)

258 God willed it, and I'm not sure I know why.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM

It's been said that God works in mysterious ways. And congratulations on surviving the big one.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (ncXxy)

259 I don’t trust the Russians or Ukrainians. Ukraine will never be a trusted ally . They are as or more corrupt than any country. Look at the players who initially went all in on making Ukraine look like the victim of Russian aggression. They are the worst of the worst of the Left. Soros being on top of that list.

The Ukrainians overthrew a legitimately elected government , refusing an offer to have an immediate new election monitored by outside authorities. They also immediately outlawed the Russian language when they took power.

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)

260 Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for Fun With Flags.
Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:28 AM (gFoGk)

And Dr. Amy Farrah Fowler.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (Zvtjl)

261 >To think Hillary Clinton may be the woman to launch a thousand nukes. Somehow this should never happen.

A voice like that, ships were never on the table.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (44ww/)

262 Honestly, though, Ukraine is "more" corrupt? I'd suggest reading "Darkness at Dawn," "The Less You Know, the Better You Sleep," "Putin's Kleptocracy," and the Panama Papers. It doesn't just exist in Muscovy, it's institutionalized.

Moscow's corruption is largely self-serving. Ukraine's was run by the "intelligence community" (which is neither of those things) on behalf of the entire Western elite class.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (ZGrMX)

263 214 Not a fan at all. Joey's official schedule for today: 1 PM The President holds a meeting with Jens Stoltenberg, Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, to discuss the upcoming NATO Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania.

DU referenced a report on Biden from yesterday: President Joe Biden got a root canal Monday and it left something of a cavity in his daily schedule, forcing him to bow out of a public event with college athletes and postpone his meeting with NATO’s general secretary by a day.

He's like Hillary (I think?), powering through medical issues to deliver for YOU, the American people.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 13, 2023 11:46 AM (JCZqz)

264 244 Some other German chemist's invention like ASA. heroin, or meth. Lets not forget Fanta soda pop, official drink of the NSDAP.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 11:46 AM (rLD7a)

265 >>I would also recommend that even though I have no doubt Ukraine has its fair share of homegrown corruption, a lot of what I'm sure you're referring to was Muscovite in origin. That includes, it appears, the Burisma/Big Guy bribery.

For many years Ukraine has been considered the most corrupt country in Eastern Europe and it wasn't particularly close. Money laundering and sex trafficking were too of their more popular industries, ask the Bidens or much of the rest of the western ruling elite.

I'm sure there are many nice people in Ukraine but it is hopelessly corrupt and always will be.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:46 AM (ZLI7S)

266 252 Meanwhile, the Ukrainian counter-offensive continues to shape the battlefield for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

The Ukrainians are proudly boasting that they've recaptured seven villages.

They haven't quite gotten to the blitzkrieg part of the counteroffensive yet.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (2tUFv)

Defense in depth vs defense in depth.

Mind you, the ukes did take back a bunch of territory in the north, so the battle line has shifted a lot. But this is going to come down to logistics I suspect.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)

267 I haven't felt this blackpilled in a long time. That priest was supposed to do my wedding next year.
Posted by: General Augusto Pinochet at June 13, 2023 11:41 AM (tA56B)

------

It's all a terrible mess.

I'm sorry for your situation.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at June 13, 2023 11:46 AM (DcKNO)

268 237 What is likely to happen at the Trump arraignment??

this is the picador part of the program

the real shit will happen when they indict him in DC and try to lock him up

they will have him in court every time he schedules a rally
even if they have to open the courts up on the weekend

they want what they think they can win

a war

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:46 AM (us2H3)

269 "There are no good guys."

Bullshit. There is global *literal* Satanism, led by *actual* Satan-worshipping pedophiles, and there is the vehement, dedicated opponents of that.

If you don't consider one of those to be the Light Side of The Force, then I think you're batshit crazy. Bugnuts insane.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 11:47 AM (iKBwy)

270 176 157 The guy who really got things rolling in 1914 was Leopold von Bechtold, the Austrian foreign minister. Power hungry little twerp who had the ear of the emperor.

did he send it to his girlfriend in a little box? they like that sort of thing, you know.

Posted by: van gogh at June 13, 2023 11:47 AM (oY6Yp)

271 The Ukrainians overthrew a legitimately elected government , refusing an offer to have an immediate new election monitored by outside authorities. They also immediately outlawed the Russian language when they took power.
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I think you meant to say 'the CIA overthrew a legitimately elected government.' The first replacement president was not fully onboard with killing Russian Ukrainians and so they got the Penis Player inserted.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 13, 2023 11:47 AM (2graF)

272 They followed the law and put them on the next plane out. Meanwhile, 1) we pump billions to that criminal Zelenskyy who is shutting down monasteries and holy sites and 2) drug dealers and child traffickers stream unchecked across the southern border.

Tell him to make his way to Mexico and walk across to Eagle Pass. He might even get a free iphone and bus ticket out of it.

Posted by: brak at June 13, 2023 11:47 AM (25k9m)

273 So when supposedly sane people suggest that America's interests would be best served by extending our nuclear umbrella over Ukraine, and in fact facilitating Ukraine's acquisition of nuclear weapons "without any controls on where and how Ukraine might use them," the only response should be, "Are you f*cking insane?"
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Nah, they aren't insane. They're riding a wave.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)

274 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM (FCbAQ)

Good to hear, man. The Boss did not want you Home yet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 11:48 AM (zZu0s)

275 Quite the spectacle and final score Communist Chaplain = 0.....Police Chief = 100.

I would also ask the Padre what do you call a man who denies someone needed medical care purely because he doesn't like the man's politics.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:48 AM (YXHzG)

276 What Biden should instead do is tell Russia clearly that any use of nuclear weapons of any size against Ukraine will lead to U.S. provision of the same types of nuclear weapons to Ukraine without any controls on where and how Ukraine might use them. The non-proliferation mafia might howl with outrage, but the West must gear its nuclear policy toward reality, not wishful thinking or an empty façadeof a treaty regimen by which revisionist states no longer abide.
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This person is an idiot. So this is the place where the progs have landed - maximal nuclear proliferation. Remember when "non-proliferation" was a thing?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)

277 Here we go, suspicious device found outside the Miami courthouse where Trump is going to be arraigned.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)

278 Texas secedes. Takes1/3 of the US refining capacity with it. Shuts off all northbound pipelines.

Posted by: rickb223

--

Yeah, that kind of thing is pretty to think about, but IIRC Texas is #3 in EV ownership nationwide and offers plenty of tax incentives.

https://tinyurl.com/2xk7v3wd

Get more purple and then blue and by 2035 there won't be much pushback.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (etIVw)

279 AT-4s we sent to Ukraine are showing up in the possession of Mexican cartels.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (a3Q+t)

280 5 years from now, the Z boi will be sharing a Cayman villa with Poroshenko

and it will be Putin's fault

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (us2H3)

281 Giving Ukraine nuclear weapons with no controls is not irrational or crazy if your goal is to start WWIII.

One of conservatives and sane people's problems is thinking that the left and insane people want the same things and think like we do. They don't and are not. Saying they are incompetent or stupid gives them wiggle room and puts us at a disadvantage.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (17s+e)

282 If Joe & Co. are itchy to nuke something, I nominate Davos during the next WEF conclave.

Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (AwYPR)

283 261 >To think Hillary Clinton may be the woman to launch a thousand nukes. Somehow this should never happen.

A voice like that, ships were never on the table.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (44ww/)

A cackle that sent a thousand ships...away.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

284 254 At work, one of aour Vet patients had his truck adorned with a flag "Fuck Biden" on it. During our facility wide morning meeting online, our Chaplain brought this up and wanted the Vet and the truck removed immediately

Yeah. Pinch-faced, panty-waisted scolds abound. I am somewhat surprised the Chief of Police backed free speech. In these situations the cops are usually the ones arresting and curb stomping people for exercising their First Amendment rights. So kudos to him.

Posted by: Chief should be the rule not the exception but I'll take what I can get at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (fE1zA)

285 'Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former head of NATO and adviser to Zelensky, is pushing this.'

He can go Fogh himself.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (ruYJi)

286 Some other German chemist's invention like ASA. heroin, or meth. Lets not forget Fanta soda pop, official drink of the NSDAP.

One chemist at Bayer invented aspirin one month, and then invented heroin the next month.

I hope he got a nice bonus.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (2tUFv)

287 Posted by: Patrick74 at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (cn9kF)

Ukraine is a den of corruption. The money that is going to them right now should be that eye opener for you.

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

288 Ever watch 'Bikes and Beards' on ewetube? He recites a bible verse every episode. It's a motorcycle themed channel.

It's odd that that seems strange and refreshing.

I like that too. His latest video is about how he's moving from Pennsylvania to Tennessee because he thinks PA is lost to the junta.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (ZGrMX)

289 This is both fascinating and terrifying. The idea that a corrupt and dysfunctional Ukraine should be given nuclear weapons WITHOUT ANY CONTROLS is irrational in the extreme.
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It is - especially when others decide that these are the new rules and they should, too. That will happen within moments of our doing it because tit-for-tat is rational. If we do that, then so will China and Russia and India. They'll have to, in order to counter the US proliferation threat.

Every penny-ante country with a big ally will have a pipeline to atomic weapons.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

290 A case of taqqiya, I wager. False flag an event to discredit the enemy.

It's easier to get asylum status in Western Europe if you pretend to be Christian.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:28

The term for this is "kithman" not taqiyya.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (iKBwy)

291 > His point, endless wars are really great money makers for the right people.
Posted by: Seems Legit.
___________

Probably the single, overriding reason it keeps going. Our politicians are making money hand over fist with this. It has taken the place of all the COVID grift that's drying up.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

292 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:32 AM

O_O

Wow. Prayers for continued recovery.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (Wnv9h)

293 Yeah, that kind of thing is pretty to think about, but IIRC Texas is #3 in EV ownership nationwide and offers plenty of tax incentives.

https://tinyurl.com/2xk7v3wd

Get more purple and then blue and by 2035 there won't be much pushback.

right, Tesla is based in Austin

and Texas schools are now majority Hispanic and increasing every year with the open border -- the independent Texas spirit that would back secession is being diluted out of the population

Posted by: brak at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (25k9m)

294 I would also ask the Padre what do you call a man who denies someone needed medical care purely because he doesn't like the man's politics.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:48 AM

I will take "things liberals would do" for $1,000 Alex.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (ncXxy)

295 Otto von Bismarck had many intelligent things to say about the world, including his most famous quotation: "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier." We would be well served to embrace that sentiment with respect to Ukraine, because the entire country isn't worth the life of a single American...soldier or civilian.
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Concur. I do not see any direct national interest in this conflict, nor did I see any direct national interest in the preliminary events that led to it. There is, I think, a "you break it, you buy it" position on this. We did break it, and helped to start a war.

But this isn't Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:51 AM (t0OGg)

296 Where is Pomerania?

It's a magical land full of cute little dogs.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (H9sxy)

297 So my son, who works for a major grocery retailer in the Midwest just found out Budweiser is refusing vendor credits now.

A vendor credit, as I understand it, is when you can return unsold merchandise and receive credit toward future purchases.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (9yUzE)

298 Yeah, that kind of thing is pretty to think about, but IIRC Texas is #3 in EV ownership nationwide and offers plenty of tax incentives.

https://tinyurl.com/2xk7v3wd

Get more purple and then blue and by 2035 there won't be much pushback.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie

They're gonna have fun when ERCOT can't keep the lights on this summer.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (gFoGk)

299 This bespectacled blonde in black doesn't think we should be handing out atomic weapons like penny candy:
https://is.gd/Xg9s90

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)

300 278 Texas secedes. Takes1/3 of the US refining capacity with it. Shuts off all northbound pipelines.

Posted by: rickb223

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Yeah, that kind of thing is pretty to think about, but IIRC Texas is #3 in EV ownership nationwide and offers plenty of tax incentives.

https://tinyurl.com/2xk7v3wd

Get more purple and then blue and by 2035 there won't be much pushback.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (etIVw)

Open borders and voter fraud. Both of these will lead to doom.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

301 Our leaders have become so insulated from the realities of life and death that they've become constitutionally incapable of serious decisions on war and peace.

1. Entirely insulated from any manner of war in THEIR circle (while others do the fighting) --and so have become accustomed to an abstract idea of "conflict" seemingly death or consequences.

2. Living their adult lives in a bubble of Narrative: in which only choosing the right words can change reality itself.

3. And inside their digital bubble wrap for so long that they've lost touch with even the reality of death.

Posted by: Zek at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (5FPX4)

302 The guy creates a straw man to argue for giving Ukraine nukes. How do we stop Putin from using nukes in Ukraine? There is no evidence that he is going to do it . Why therefore talk about giving Ukraine nukes? Maybe he's trying to see how far the elite can push the envelope. Anyway you look at it he's a yutz.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (OhpJy)

303 91 > His point, endless wars are really great money makers for the right people.
Posted by: Seems Legit.
___________

Probably the single, overriding reason it keeps going. Our politicians are making money hand over fist with this. It has taken the place of all the COVID grift that's drying up.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

Eisenhower tried to warn us.

Posted by: Did we heed? No we did not pay heed. at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (fE1zA)

304 If Joe & Co. are itchy to nuke something, I nominate Davos during the next WEF conclave.

I'll second that nomination.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (Bd6X8)

305 Get more purple and then blue and by 2035 there won't be much pushback.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:49 AM (etIVw)

everyone in DC just agreed to increasing the national debt by 4 trillion in 2 years

so the national debt in early 2025 will at least 36 trillion

extrapolate that out to 2035 and you are talking about 60 trillion

seatbelts will be optional and their will not be enough para chutes

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (us2H3)

306 What Biden should instead do is tell Russia clearly that any use of nuclear weapons of any size against Ukraine will lead to U.S. provision of the same types of nuclear weapons to Ukraine without any controls on where and how Ukraine might use them.

What the guy is saying is that if Russia decides use a nuke in Ukraine, Russia needs to Go Big - make sure that there is no functioning government left in Ukraine after the strike.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (2tUFv)

307 seemingly without...

Posted by: Zek at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (5FPX4)

308 Yeah, giving Ukraine nukes is crazy. But, one thing Ukraine's fight is doing is giving CCP pause about invading Taiwan, or at least it should be.

Posted by: SkylerKat at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (6JOB5)

309 It gets weirder, but even though at the time I thought the pain I was currently feeling was much less than the night before, so didn't really realize what had happened, and I've several moments of lost time where I don't know what was done or what happened. I do know they put a balloon pump to my heart in through a leg artery to an aorta. I do know they were going to send me to an OK hospital by chopper to do things more complicated than where I was could handle, but ended up being sent to the best heart hospital in the region to be worked on by some of the best of the best.

The magnitude of all that went just so to keep me here weighs on me like a big heavy thing (yeah I know, don't quote Queensryche).
It's almost overwhelming.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (FCbAQ)

310 their = there

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (us2H3)

311 This bespectacled blonde in black doesn't think we should be handing out atomic weapons like penny candy:
https://is.gd/Xg9s90
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)

I will need to see dat azz before I can take her geopolitical musings seriously.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (aD39U)

312 In case you are still doubtful that proposed NATO expansion into Georgia and Ukraine was the reason Putin invaded both countries take 1:20 of your time and listen to this.

It really isn't a mystery and our leaders knew this how Putin would react. Also why Assange is still in prison.

https://tinyurl.com/yckfs84e

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (ZLI7S)

313 252 Meanwhile, the Ukrainian counter-offensive continues to shape the battlefield for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

The Ukrainians are proudly boasting that they've recaptured seven villages.

They haven't quite gotten to the blitzkrieg part of the counteroffensive yet.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:44 AM (2tUFv)

I wonder how effectively the Ukes can clear anti-tank minefields the Russians have emplaced across likely avenues of armored unit attacks. We and NATO countries have no doubt given the Ukes equipment and training to clear Soviet/Russian mines. Will they be adequate? We are going to find out.

Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (AMIL/)

314 They're gonna have fun when ERCOT can't keep the lights on this summer.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (gFoGk)

I prefer Magic Kingdom anyway.

Posted by: Wait, what are we talking about? at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (fE1zA)

315 The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian

True, and even more so, the life of a single Chihuahua!

Posted by: Ginger, the Taco Bell spokescanine at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (a3Q+t)

316 And then there is this - doesn't seem to have gotten much attention elsewhere:

https://tinyurl.com/26yupsea

in short - big Biden donor who is a car dealer in Delaware is a Ukrainian American and lots of other connection stuff.

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (pwExq)

317 So my son, who works for a major grocery retailer in the Midwest just found out Budweiser is refusing vendor credits now.

A vendor credit, as I understand it, is when you can return unsold merchandise and receive credit toward future purchases.

Say goodbye to all of Budwiser's shelf space in supermarkets.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (2tUFv)

318 and Texas schools are now majority Hispanic and increasing every year with the open border -- the independent Texas spirit that would back secession is being diluted out of the population
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM

All is proceeding according to my plans....

Posted by: WEF Palpatine at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (JCZqz)

319 Russia was a military threat to the U.S. in the 20th Century, as was Italy, Germany, and Japan. None of them are threats now. Nostalgia for old enmities is no reason to risk nuclear annihilation over a Slavic border dispute.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (9E3tX)

320 Get more purple and then blue and by 2035 there won't be much pushback.

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Open borders and voter fraud. Both of these will lead to doom.

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Yep, that's the whole point. Florida and Texas. Even if they don't vote directly they still get representation in the House. And they'll also vote directly. And their anchor baby legal kids will be old enough to vote soon enough.

That's the plan.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM (etIVw)

321 Otto von Bismarck had many intelligent things to say about the world, including his most famous quotation: "The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier." We would be well served to embrace that sentiment with respect to Ukraine, because the entire country isn't worth the life of a single American...soldier or civilian.
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Concur. I do not see any direct national interest in this conflict, nor did I see any direct national interest in the preliminary events that led to it. There is, I think, a "you break it, you buy it" position on this. We did break it, and helped to start a war.

But this isn't Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:51 AM

Just like Vietnam we had zero strategic interests in the country, we just didn't want the Rooskies getting control of it. Same thing is going on here but with more grifting opportunities.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 11:55 AM (ncXxy)

322 Very. Would look nice with gold trim
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 11:31 AM (xcxpd)

You have very regal taste.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 11:55 AM (Emce2)

323 They're gonna have fun when ERCOT can't keep the lights

How are they going to make the LSD then?

Posted by: blaster at June 13, 2023 11:55 AM (pwExq)

324 Putin will never wait for the tact nukes to be given to the Ukes

he'll nuke some European capital and let the west think about all out war

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 11:55 AM (us2H3)

325 This is both fascinating and terrifying. The idea that a corrupt and dysfunctional Ukraine should be given nuclear weapons WITHOUT ANY CONTROLS is irrational in the extreme.
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It is, and it also isn't going to happen. I don't think this guy means it. He might - stranger things have happened - but I kind of doubt it.

Look for more of this kind of thing coming soon. They could well be setting up a false choice. First, get a narrative moving along these lines. Then wait for the inevitable blowback because it's stupid and insane. Then stride in with a "compromise."

"Look, we have to save Ukraine, okay? So they need an insurance policy against atomic war. We have to either give them nukes, or we have to be able to use our nukes in their defense."

Set up the untenable, fake option (give them nukes) to get what you really want (an open mandate to nuke whomever for whatever reason).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

326 I would also ask the Padre what do you call a man who denies someone needed medical care purely because he doesn't like the man's politics.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:48 AM

I will take "things liberals would do" for $1,000 Alex.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 11:50 AM (ncXxy)

Followed by a question about the fine print and exclusionary language in Matthew 10:8:

"Heal the sick†, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

† "...unless the patient is flying an #FJB flag in which case, cancel him" - II Opinions 2:14

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:55 AM (YXHzG)

327 THANK YOU!

This. Even more granular: Just Whitmer's Michigan, Cuomo's New York, Newsome's California, or even Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, or Baltimore ALONE are full of corruption that eclipses Putin's Russia. Let alone our whole stinking Western bacchanalia empire.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus

The United States IS a a decaying country. And things will get worse. Donald Trump, for all his faults, imperfections, outsized ego, was the LAST President of the United States. We now have an idiot figurehead put there by the globalist oligarchs.
The meta-reason for this war and our "support" for it is to distract from the imminent collapse of our currency and financial system.
More countries now do NOT want to use the US dollar for international transactions, and are looking for work-arounds. China is only too eager to facilitate this.
The time is coming, soon, when the US dollar will not be the world's reserve currency. What follows will be ruinous inflation at home and a collapse of the Federal Reserve system.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (vcOmj)

328 Here we go, suspicious device found outside the Miami courthouse where Trump is going to be arraigned.

Oh, man, someone else for the FBI to refuse to identify.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (amJF4)

329 Florida: Stay the Hell out of it!

Florida Man Nearly Loses Leg to Flesh-Eating Bacteria After Being Bitten During Family Brawl

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (FVME7)

330 Back to my weeding.....

Posted by: JT at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (T4tVD)

331 In case you are still doubtful that proposed NATO expansion into Georgia and Ukraine was the reason Putin invaded both countries take 1:20 of your time and listen to this.

It really isn't a mystery and our leaders knew this how Putin would react. Also why Assange is still in prison.

https://tinyurl.com/yckfs84e

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THAT ASSANGE GUY IS SUCH A UKE HATING TRAITOR

or something.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (etIVw)

332 We and NATO countries have no doubt given the Ukes equipment and training to clear Soviet/Russian mines. Will they be adequate? We are going to find out.
Posted by: Gref at June 13, 2023 11:54 AM

Given the recent video of several destroyed Bradleys and a Leopard, the Magic 8-Ball says "Unclear. Ask again later."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (a3Q+t)

333 Nottingham van and knife attack update from the EMT:

||Cops Are ‘Keeping An Open Mind’ Over Motive As They Guard House Near To Where Man And Woman Were Stabbed To Death By Knifeman – Before Killer ‘Murdered’ Another Victim And Mowed Down Three With Van

Counter terror police have raided two properties in Nottingham today after three people died and three others were injured in a ‘knife’ and van rampage – with cops saying they are keeping an ‘open mind’ over the motive for the attack.

The raid took place this afternoon around Ilkeston Road in a student area of the city, where a witness saw a young man and a young woman being stabbed by a black-clad attacker with a rucksack at 4am.

After the first attack, a third body was found on Magdala Street. Police were then called to another incident on Milton Street, where a van ran into three people who are now being treated in hospital.||

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (Vwz3I)

334 Oh, man, someone else for the FBI to refuse to identify.
Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (amJF4)
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Publicly, anyway.

Privately, they have to because they need to send a check.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (t0OGg)

335 And when the last lefty alive contemplates the horizon of burning ash, he'll probably say "Well at least they got Trump."

Posted by: Zek at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (5FPX4)

336 Worst case is that Russia takes a big chunk of Ukraine and annexes it.

So?

What are they going to do next...invade Poland? The Poles are a very different thing than Ukraine.

This is a self-limiting war.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:43 AM (ZCCyW)

Russia isn't even trying to take all of Ukraine. Just the areas filled with ethnic Russians that the Ukrainians have been shelling for, what, ten years now?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (we8o1)

337 This bespectacled blonde in black doesn't think we should be handing out atomic weapons like penny candy:

Taiwan is entitled to nukes.
End of statement.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (9yUzE)

338 306 What the guy is saying is that if Russia decides use a nuke in Ukraine, Russia needs to Go Big - make sure that there is no functioning government left in Ukraine after the strike.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM

Could they add the US to the list, too?

Posted by: Anonymous Moron, really!!! at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (JCZqz)

339 Surprised there's no references to the Cuban missile crisis.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)

340 Anyway you look at it he's a yutz.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (OhpJy)

Absolutely. The entire article is a mass of bullshit. I picked out the easiest point to refute, but I could have fisked everything he wrote.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 13, 2023 11:58 AM (ZCCyW)

341 I read that 15% of the Bradley fighting vehicles Biden gifted at our expense to the Z-man have been destroyed in the most successful counter offensive in the history of the world. That's 16 Bradleys at a cost a USA taxpayer cost of manufacture of the vehicle aloe at $4.3 million each is $70 MILLION. MONEY WELL SPENT

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 11:58 AM (17s+e)

342 Has Joe recovered front that root canal yet?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (kSHhA)

343 What i like is every single prediction by the Ukraine supporters hasn't materialized.

But the one that went, "Russia has a history of grinding out wars, losing massive equipment and men, until they win" is bearing out

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (0QVEQ)

344 Russia isn't even trying to take all of Ukraine. Just the areas filled with ethnic Russians that the Ukrainians have been shelling for, what, ten years now?

To be fair, Russia also wants a pro-Russian government in Kiev.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)

345 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 11:58 AM (17s+e)

Thing is, we don't know what's actually going on there... All I know is it's cost over 100 billion of My tax dollars with more coming

Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (bs+z0)

346 299 This bespectacled blonde in black doesn't think we should be handing out atomic weapons like penny candy:
https://is.gd/Xg9s90
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)

That zipper makes me think she'd be fun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

347 Taiwan is entitled to nukes.
End of statement.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (9yUzE)
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They're a developed industrial power with atomic energy infrastructure. If they don't already have them, I'm perplexed as to why. Same goes for Japan and Korea. There were good reasons not to have nukes - they're an exorbitant cost center, they're politically difficult to deal with it, the US nuclear umbrella was there to help act as a proliferation disincentive, etc. - but those reasons are in the past now.

If those three countries didn't start crash programs to get weapons developed and built within a week or two of the 2020 elections, I would be shocked. It was clear that there was coup and just because we aren't allowed to talk about it doesn't mean the grown-ups at the periphery of our empire didn't notice it and take steps.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (t0OGg)

348 The Balkans aren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian.

There, Otto. I fixed it for you. Poms are cute.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (iFTx/)

349
Yep, that's the whole point. Florida and Texas. Even if they don't vote directly they still get representation in the House. And they'll also vote directly. And their anchor baby legal kids will be old enough to vote soon enough.

I think far too much credit is given to people voting. The real problem is the ratio of representatives to citizens is so great that the politician only listens to bundlers and Party stewards.

Voting (R) or (D) pretty much is pointless because they get their orders and their positions by a relatively small cabal.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (YXHzG)

350
That zipper makes me think she'd be fun.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

My penis says similar things......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

351
Yeah.

Nuke up the Ukes.

Fucking brilliant. This regime can't fall fast enough. The US is about *this close* to being a rogue nuclear power, at this point.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (oINRc)

352
Out: Trump might start World War 3!!!

In: Trump might start World War 4!!!!

Posted by: ... at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (py50N)

353 Here we go, suspicious device found outside the Miami courthouse where Trump is going to be arraigned.

Oh, man, someone else for the FBI to refuse to identify.

Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM

Give the case to the fib, they will find the perp just like they did with the DC bomber.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (ncXxy)

354 Gee, just how many movies have been made since the 90's about rogue nations or terrorists getting their hands on Russian nukes? Hollywood seemed to agree that was a Bad Thing back then but now shipping US nukes all over the place is less dangerous than giving your 16-year-old keys to the Hellcat?

Posted by: Octochicken at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (oCS0o)

355 I read that 15% of the Bradley fighting vehicles Biden gifted at our expense to the Z-man have been destroyed in the most successful counter offensive in the history of the world. That's 16 Bradleys at a cost a USA taxpayer cost of manufacture of the vehicle aloe at $4.3 million each is $70 MILLION. MONEY WELL SPENT
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Eh, it's only a near $100 billion, or is it getting to $150?

What a small price to pay to protect Our Democrats.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (0QVEQ)

356 >>THAT ASSANGE GUY IS SUCH A UKE HATING TRAITOR

>>or something.

Honestly, it's been obvious this was going to happen since 2008 if we kept expanding NATO eastward.

People can hate Putin and call him a corrupt thug all they want but he is running Russia and he decides what he will and won't accept in his backyard whether the west likes it or not.

He said this was his red line and unlike Obama he means it when he says this is a red line.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (ZLI7S)

357 I read that 15% of the Bradley fighting vehicles Biden gifted at our expense to the Z-man have been destroyed in the most successful counter offensive in the history of the world. That's 16 Bradleys at a cost a USA taxpayer cost of manufacture of the vehicle aloe at $4.3 million each is $70 MILLION. MONEY WELL SPENT

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Sure, but imagine the continued perpetual standstill if they HADN'T been given those tanks, Uke Hater!

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (etIVw)

358 Russia isn't even trying to take all of Ukraine. Just the areas filled with ethnic Russians that the Ukrainians have been shelling for, what, ten years now?

To be fair, Russia also wants a pro-Russian government in Kiev.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)

Which ones shot down the airliner?....can't remember.

Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (AwYPR)

359 Will my tax dollars continue to flow to Keeeev after it got nuked?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (44ww/)

360 so now it's Nukraine, right ?

Posted by: REDACTED at June 13, 2023 12:01 PM (us2H3)

361 351
Yeah.

Nuke up the Ukes.

Fucking brilliant. This regime can't fall fast enough. The US is about *this close* to being a rogue nuclear power, at this point.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (oINRc)

*pauses to consider*
Second look at nuclear disarmament?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (eYoxG)

362 Surprised there's no references to the Cuban missile crisis.

Iranian President Raisi is currently visiting Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua.

The media isn't noticing, because it makes Burisma Joe look bad.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (2tUFv)

363 Yeah, giving Ukraine nukes is crazy. But, one thing Ukraine's fight is doing is giving CCP pause about invading Taiwan, or at least it should be.

Posted by: SkylerKat at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (6JOB5)
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You're joking right?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (17s+e)

364 Methamphetamine was invented by the Japanese, not the Germans.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (pohLc)

365 Putin has been ruling so long, he has demonstrated that he is in the Sadistic Caligula/Nero type, but more of a Mob Boss that recognizes that his power requires the people to be in a position not desiring to overthrow him.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 11:36 AM (YXHzG)
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He kind of reminds me of the Patrician, Lord Vetinari, from the Discworld novels. Sure, he's a tyrant, but no one wants to get rid of him because he keeps everyone else in line.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (YIVH2)

366 346 299 This bespectacled blonde in black doesn't think we should be handing out atomic weapons like penny candy:
https://is.gd/Xg9s90
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)

That zipper makes me think she'd be fun.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

A good photo. Proof that a photo does not need to be openly racy to be provocative. Just hint. Just a bit. The mind fills in the rest.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

367 Moscow's corruption is largely self-serving. Ukraine's was run by the "intelligence community" (which is neither of those things) on behalf of the entire Western elite class.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 11:45 AM (ZGrMX)

Further, I doubt that there's a single nation on Earth whose government is not corrupt. Ours most certainly is.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (we8o1)

368 Which ones shot down the airliner?....can't remember.

Pro-Russian Ukrainian separatists.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (2tUFv)

369 Surprised there's no references to the Cuban missile crisis.

Honey, I swear this has never happened before...

Posted by: Mark Cuban at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (CaJIi)

370 Yep, that's the whole point. Florida and Texas. Even if they don't vote directly they still get representation in the House. And they'll also vote directly. And their anchor baby legal kids will be old enough to vote soon enough.

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I think far too much credit is given to people voting. The real problem is the ratio of representatives to citizens is so great that the politician only listens to bundlers and Party stewards.

Voting (R) or (D) pretty much is pointless because they get their orders and their positions by a relatively small cabal.

Posted by: Reuben Hick

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I've reached the point that I don't think votes matter so much as having a reasonable number of votes that could potentially have been cast.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (etIVw)

371 Given the recent video of several destroyed Bradleys and a Leopard, the Magic 8-Ball says "Unclear. Ask again later."
Posted by: Duncanthrax

The news reports I have seen are that at least 15 Bradleys have been destroyed, and probably at least 2 Leopard II's.
One Leopard was burned out and a total write-off. The other was damaged, but could be recovered, but it's in "no-man's land", and the Russians could as easily recover it as the Ukes.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (vcOmj)

372 I have always assumed that Japan was just as few wrench turns from having a functioning atom bomb.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (aD39U)

373 363 Yeah, giving Ukraine nukes is crazy. But, one thing Ukraine's fight is doing is giving CCP pause about invading Taiwan, or at least it should be.

Posted by: SkylerKat at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (6JOB5)
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You're joking right?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (17s+e)

Well, we are emptying our coffers of munitions and just giving them to Ukraine while evacuating citizens from Taiwan...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (zZu0s)

374 Yeah, giving Ukraine nukes is crazy. But, one thing Ukraine's fight is doing is giving CCP pause about invading Taiwan, or at least it should be.

Posted by: SkylerKat at June 13, 2023 11:53 AM (6JOB5)

China knows were under gunned and under manned because of Ukraine and all the trans bullshit going on. They're emboldened. Taiwan will fall in the next year.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

375 329 Florida: Stay the Hell out of it!

Florida Man Nearly Loses Leg to Flesh-Eating Bacteria After Being Bitten During Family Brawl

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (FVME7)

More of this for the leadership in the FIB, please.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

376 Surprised there's no references to the Cuban missile crisis.

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We decided we wanted to try the Russian side this time.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:04 PM (etIVw)

377 Maybe the Ukes didn't give up all their nukes. Maybe they kept two or three, just for insurance. Of course, they didn't have a delivery system like an F16. Oh, yeah....

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 12:04 PM (rLD7a)

378 To be fair, Russia also wants a pro-Russian government in Kiev.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)

That’s been our foreign policy since 1787. We began ‘assisting’ countries to get that pro-American government shortly after the American Civil War.

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:04 PM (MNhXM)

379 350
That zipper makes me think she'd be fun.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

My penis says similar things......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

If your penis is talking to you, you either need WAY more drugs or to quit them altogether.

Posted by: Yes, Mr. Johnson, I understand. at June 13, 2023 12:04 PM (fE1zA)

380 Yeah. Pinch-faced, panty-waisted scolds abound. I am somewhat surprised the Chief of Police backed free speech. In these situations the cops are usually the ones arresting and curb stomping people for exercising their First Amendment rights. So kudos to him.
Posted by: Chief

Our VA Police force here are excellent and we are very lucky. All of them are Vets - combat battle tested. The Chief was a Tank Commander for several tours in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 12:04 PM (oiNtH)

381 If those three countries didn't start crash programs to get weapons developed and built within a week or two of the 2020 elections, I would be shocked. It was clear that there was coup and just because we aren't allowed to talk about it doesn't mean the grown-ups at the periphery of our empire didn't notice it and take steps.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (t0OGg)
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I am 99.99% certain that at least Japan has currently working nuclear weapons. 89.99% sure that South Korea does. 79.99% that Taiwan does. Those percentages go to 100% across the board if we count the ability to assemble a working nuclear weapon in 48 hours. These countries would have been insane not to at least have a weapon ready to be assembled as soon as it became clear that Obama was sucking up to China, and certainly since the 2020 elections.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (iFTx/)

382 This Ukraine situation is one of the things that told me our new pastor was the right guy for the job. When he was candidating (early on in the Ukraine stuff) a congregation member, who slavishly believes all the "correct" things, asked him his stance on the situation. He expressed support for the Ukrainian people who were being subjected to the horrors and hassles of war but did no cheerleading for those exploiting the situation. None of this simple-minded "Ukraine good, Russia bad" stuff. I *think* his answer satisfied the congregant but also told me he knew the situation was more complex than the congregant was aware.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (Emce2)

383 372 I have always assumed that Japan was just as few wrench turns from having a functioning atom bomb.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (aD39U)

Engineering and design skill? Check.
Manufacturing capability? Check.
Nuclear plants? Check.

They just have to want one and a Hello Kitty themed missile will be plowing into Three Gorges.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (zZu0s)

384 334 Oh, man, someone else for the FBI to refuse to identify.
Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2023 11:56 AM (amJF4)
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Publicly, anyway.

Privately, they have to because they need to send a check.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 11:57 AM (t0OGg)

I thought that was normally a cash transaction.
"Here's your cash, in $500 bills"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

385 Depends totally on what you think Russia's real ambitions are. I don't believe this has much to do with Ukraine, I think it has more to do with what is beyond Ukraine - and that is exceedingly a bunch in our interest. And you forgot one thing. Russia started this invasion in 2014 or so. Not Ukraine. And don't bring up the Minsk Accords. I've read them both, plus foreign reporting indicating neither side gave much thought to them anyway. And the initial reporting on the Uke's blowing the dam has given way to the very strategic and obvious realization that Russia did it to cut off the southern offensive routes for a Ukrainian offensive. I hope these two just keep slugging it out, wearing each other out.

China is yesterday's news. Foreign capital is fleeing. Regional Asian competitors are picking at them. Demographically they are dying. I hate FJB, but he's has taken money from every actor just mentioned. NO need to single Ukraine out - though if the bribery there is the cause of his fall, I'd love Ukraine for that alone!

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (UVyKP)

386 Do we even know if our nukes still work?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (YIVH2)

387 One Leopard was burned out and a total write-off. The other was damaged, but could be recovered, but it's in "no-man's land", and the Russians could as easily recover it as the Ukes.

The Russian Ministry of Defense says that they have recovered multiple Leopards.

A destroyed Russian tank was shipped from Ukraine to Germany in February, and parked in front of the Russian embassy in Berlin.

I know where one of the Leopards is going.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:06 PM (2tUFv)

388 The Ted Nugent rant in the sidebar is spot on and epic.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

389 They're a developed industrial power with atomic energy infrastructure. If they don't already have them, I'm perplexed as to why. Same goes for Japan and Korea. There were good reasons not to have nukes - they're an exorbitant cost center, they're politically difficult to deal with it, the US nuclear umbrella was there to help act as a proliferation disincentive, etc. - but those reasons are in the past now.

If those three countries didn't start crash programs to get weapons developed and built within a week or two of the 2020 elections, I would be shocked. It was clear that there was coup and just because we aren't allowed to talk about it doesn't mean the grown-ups at the periphery of our empire didn't notice it and take steps.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM

Japan's constitution forbids them to possess nuclear weapons. I suspect that they have a stockpile of components that can be assembled into functional nukes extremely quickly though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:06 PM (ncXxy)

390 386 Do we even know if our nukes still work?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (YIVH2)

They are like the 'Good' china, they are only for special occasions.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:06 PM (zZu0s)

391 China knows were under gunned and under manned because of Ukraine and all the trans bullshit going on. They're emboldened. Taiwan will fall in the next year.

I think that was the selling point to get CHIPS act passed and bribe money thrown at Intel and other multi-billion-dollar international companies to construct plants in the mid-west.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 12:06 PM (YXHzG)

392 Also, the dude in the pink bear costume drumming is STILL an awesome video.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

393 383 372 I have always assumed that Japan was just as few wrench turns from having a functioning atom bomb.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (aD39U)

Engineering and design skill? Check.
Manufacturing capability? Check.
Nuclear plants? Check.

They just have to want one and a Hello Kitty themed missile will be plowing into Three Gorges.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (zZu0s)

They have huge psychological hangups about nukes. If they dropped one, it might be as traumatic to them as getting nuked again would be.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM (xcxpd)

394 350
That zipper makes me think she'd be fun.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

My penis says similar things......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM

What about HER penis?

Posted by: Dylan Mulvaney at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM (JCZqz)

395 Those percentages go to 100% across the board if we count the ability to assemble a working nuclear weapon in 48 hours.

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Agreed. They might not have everything stored together, but they've got... how does the ATF put it? "Constructive intent" or something like that?

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM (etIVw)

396 >That’s been our foreign policy since 1787. We began ‘assisting’ countries to get that pro-American government shortly after the American Civil War.

Wish we had a pro-American government

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM (geLO8)

397 Has Joe recovered front that root canal yet?
----------------
Yes, he's on heroin

https://tinyurl.com/4bthz964

[And while the image search did give me heroin as medicine images, the ALL search for 'heroin for toothache' gave nothing but modern toothache links. Fuck all search engines -- shit by design now to stop people from thinking for themselves. DDG, BTW, and not Google or Bing.]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM (Vwz3I)

398 I am 99.99% certain that at least Japan has currently working nuclear weapons. 89.99% sure that South Korea does. 79.99% that Taiwan does. Those percentages go to 100% across the board if we count the ability to assemble a working nuclear weapon in 48 hours. These countries would have been insane not to at least have a weapon ready to be assembled as soon as it became clear that Obama was sucking up to China, and certainly since the 2020 elections.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (iFTx/)
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Doesn't Japan have Godzilla and a few other kaiju on speed dial?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM (YIVH2)

399
Japan's constitution forbids them to possess nuclear weapons. I suspect that they have a stockpile of components that can be assembled into functional nukes extremely quickly though.

Sort of like people who have the individual components to rapidly assemble a suppressed select-fire SBR if the need suddenly occurs.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (YXHzG)

400 Do we even know if our nukes still work?

Unknown. Same is true of Russia, of course.

Putin ordered the military to prepare for the resumption of nuclear testing - an obvious next step on the escalation ladder is to restart testing, in part to check the reliability of the stockpile.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (2tUFv)

401 Pace Oppenheimer, a uranium bomb doesn't even need testing.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (aD39U)

402 372 I have always assumed that Japan was just as few wrench turns from having a functioning atom bomb.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (aD39U)

From what I recall in my readings, more than that. They were the furthest behind, mostly because of materiel.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)

403 The road to Ivy League tenure has always been paved with absurdity.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (9X60i)

404 381 If those three countries didn't start crash programs to get weapons developed and built within a week or two of the 2020 elections, I would be shocked. It was clear that there was coup and just because we aren't allowed to talk about it doesn't mean the grown-ups at the periphery of our empire didn't notice it and take steps.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 13, 2023 12:00 PM (t0OGg)
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I am 99.99% certain that at least Japan has currently working nuclear weapons. 89.99% sure that South Korea does. 79.99% that Taiwan does. Those percentages go to 100% across the board if we count the ability to assemble a working nuclear weapon in 48 hours. These countries would have been insane not to at least have a weapon ready to be assembled as soon as it became clear that Obama was sucking up to China, and certainly since the 2020 elections.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (iFTx/)

South Korea started cooperating with Saudi Arabia on nuclear tech around that time.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (eYoxG)

405 They have huge psychological hangups about nukes. If they dropped one, it might be as traumatic to them as getting nuked again would be.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:07 PM

Oh no! You mean, there might be MORE tentacles!?!?!

Posted by: Animated Japanes Schoolgirls at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (JCZqz)

406 Sort of like people who have the individual components to rapidly assemble a suppressed select-fire SBR if the need suddenly occurs.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (YXHzG)

Horrible people. Just terrible.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (zZu0s)

407 China knows were under gunned and under manned because of Ukraine and all the trans bullshit going on. They're emboldened. Taiwan will fall in the next year.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)
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Sure they could try it - but how do their boats make it to Taiwan intact. And what happens when India and Japan decide to stop all shipping in and out of China. I appreciate Xi is a bit crazy, but invading Taiwan means the end of modern China.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (UVyKP)

408 I assume there are other nuclear powers in the world beyond the confirmed ones

Japan, mostly
when I say nuclear powers, I mean a state that can drop a nuke on another state

Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (geLO8)

409 It was a horribly guarded secret that we had nukes in Japan. During a couple month stay in Iwakuni, VMA 211 or VMA 311 would have nuke loading drills, and the usual suspects would riot at the main gate. Most organized, polite riots you would ever want to see, head commie blowing a whistle when it was time to call it a day. Maybe a couple of those big boys were shuffled over to the JASDF, just for safe keeping and a little research.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (rLD7a)

410
They just have to want one and a Hello Kitty themed missile will be plowing into Three Gorges.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:05 PM (zZu0s)

Looking at the condition of that thing, I don't think it would take a nuke. A well placed M-80 might just do the trick.

https://is.gd/OiV55r

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

411 Sure they could try it - but how do their boats make it to Taiwan intact. And what happens when India and Japan decide to stop all shipping in and out of China. I appreciate Xi is a bit crazy, but invading Taiwan means the end of modern China.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (UVyKP)

*hums a happy tune*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (zZu0s)

412 407 China knows were under gunned and under manned because of Ukraine and all the trans bullshit going on. They're emboldened. Taiwan will fall in the next year.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)
==
Sure they could try it - but how do their boats make it to Taiwan intact. And what happens when India and Japan decide to stop all shipping in and out of China. I appreciate Xi is a bit crazy, but invading Taiwan means the end of modern China.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (UVyKP)

Xi isn't he crazy. He didn't get where he is by taking big risks. That said, what he perceives as a risk may not line up with how the US actually reacts to stuff.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (eYoxG)

413 "...unless the patient is flying an #FJB flag in which case, cancel him" - II Opinions 2:14
Posted by: Reuben Hick

Excellent.

Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (oiNtH)

414 Looking at the condition of that thing, I don't think it would take a nuke. A well placed M-80 might just do the trick.

https://is.gd/OiV55r
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

You would have to admit, it would be max style points.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (zZu0s)

415 If apartheid-era South Africa could build nukes, it's not that hard.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (2tUFv)

416 It amuses me that the Japs love to play the victim in WW2, after the unspeakable atrocities they committed across the Asian world. There was no horror they wouldn't commit, no brutality they wouldn't do. Had Satan been Prime Minister of Japan 1938-45 nobody would have been able to distinguish.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (pohLc)

417 ==
Sure they could try it - but how do their boats make it to Taiwan intact. And what happens when India and Japan decide to stop all shipping in and out of China. I appreciate Xi is a bit crazy, but invading Taiwan means the end of modern China.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (UVyKP)

Read an article yesterday, I think, there's already ships with lots of soldiers heading that way.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)

418 I imagine Iran has the various pieces for a nuke as well. Whether they have the tech to put them together and have a functional nuclear weapon is probably the only thing in doubt.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)

419 The talk about using nukes is increasingly becoming looser and its seems devoid of any sense of consequences except to the the nation that gets bombed. That is an unthinkable position. Arming the Ukes with tactical nukes is creates an unthinkable threat to the world. If they were to launch that Russia would respond in kind and at a minimum would consider a first strike against the Western nations and very likely would see that as an opening salvo that leads to their national extermination. All bets are off if that gets started as is life as we know it.

Posted by: Lost In Space at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (qxLut)

420 It was a horribly guarded secret that we had nukes in Japan. During a couple month stay in Iwakuni, VMA 211 or VMA 311 would have nuke loading drills, and the usual suspects would riot at the main gate. Most organized, polite riots you would ever want to see, head commie blowing a whistle when it was time to call it a day. Maybe a couple of those big boys were shuffled over to the JASDF, just for safe keeping and a little research.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM

We had Nuke loading drills all of the time on the Midway. I don't recall ever doing them when we were inport at Yokosuka though. We usually did them at sea. We had broken arrow drills all of the time, those were a pain in the ass.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (ncXxy)

421 Pace Oppenheimer, a uranium bomb doesn't even need testing.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I don't think the US has built a uranium - trigger bomb in +70 years. They are all plutonium implosion bombs, which are loaded with Lithium Deuteride and Tritium to make then H-bombs.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (vcOmj)

422 Sort of like people who have the individual components to rapidly assemble a suppressed select-fire SBR if the need suddenly occurs.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

--

That reminds me, something is happening with supressors in Texas this week. I think Thursday at 2pm maybe there's supposed to be some judgement that might make its way to the SCOTUS.

ATF says they're guns and not guns at the same time or something typically bizarre, and Texas company is saying that the ATF doesn't have jurisdiction since the items are manufactured and sold within state lines.

Look it up yourself because I'm working off of memory, but this could be important moving forward. And might accomplish what two years of (R) controlled Congress with the most conservative president in 100 years refused to do.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (etIVw)

423 416 It amuses me that the Japs love to play the victim in WW2, after the unspeakable atrocities they committed across the Asian world. There was no horror they wouldn't commit, no brutality they wouldn't do. Had Satan been Prime Minister of Japan 1938-45 nobody would have been able to distinguish.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (pohLc)

They were major league assholes, no doubt about it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (zZu0s)

424
Jap commies.

Otoya Yamaguchi knew how to handle those fags.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (oINRc)

425 408 I assume there are other nuclear powers in the world beyond the confirmed ones

Japan, mostly
when I say nuclear powers, I mean a state that can drop a nuke on another state
Posted by: DB - now with penumbras at June 13, 2023 12:09 PM (geLO

Israel officially maintains a state of ambiguity.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (eYoxG)

426 399
Japan's constitution forbids them to possess nuclear weapons. I suspect that they have a stockpile of components that can be assembled into functional nukes extremely quickly though.

Sort of like people who have the individual components to rapidly assemble a suppressed select-fire SBR if the need suddenly occurs.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (YXHzG)

*Gets up*
*Closes curtains*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (xcxpd)

427 Uranium Gun Weapon.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (zZu0s)

428 Russia isn't even trying to take all of Ukraine. Just the areas filled with ethnic Russians that the Ukrainians have been shelling for, what, ten years now?

To be fair, Russia also wants a pro-Russian government in Kiev.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)
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I think that is a bit of a miss. I'm sure that strike force at Kiev was just a feint, right?

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:13 PM (UVyKP)

429 Well we damned sure know that post apartheid-era South Africa could not build a nuke. They can't keep the electricity on 24 hours a day.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 12:13 PM (17s+e)

430 but invading Taiwan means the end of modern China.

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I'm just glad we've got such a robust manufacturing industry here and we - or our military - won't have any worries during that time.

Posted by: Join Moron Robbie in Celebrating Groomer Awareness and Uke Hating Month! It's a bash! at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (etIVw)

431 428 Russia isn't even trying to take all of Ukraine. Just the areas filled with ethnic Russians that the Ukrainians have been shelling for, what, ten years now?

To be fair, Russia also wants a pro-Russian government in Kiev.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 11:59 AM (2tUFv)
==
I think that is a bit of a miss. I'm sure that strike force at Kiev was just a feint, right?
Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:13 PM (UVyKP)

Considering how few of their forces were involved and how quickly they backed off compared to how effort and manpower they're expending to hold other territories, yeah.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (eYoxG)

432 416 It amuses me that the Japs love to play the victim in WW2, after the unspeakable atrocities they committed across the Asian world. There was no horror they wouldn't commit, no brutality they wouldn't do. Had Satan been Prime Minister of Japan 1938-45 nobody would have been able to distinguish.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (pohLc)

*nods*

Wendigoon on YouTube did a video about Unit 731.
Imperial Japan was asshoe.
and WE allowed those monsters to escape punishment.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (xcxpd)

433 Giving Ukes nukes is insanity. Complete and utter!

Posted by: sTevo at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (8i+57)

434 apartheid-era South Africa could build nukes, it's not that hard.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (2tUFv)

? . South Africa had top scientists and also had assistance from Israel .

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (MNhXM)

435 That reminds me, something is happening with supressors in Texas this week. I think Thursday at 2pm maybe there's supposed to be some judgement that might make its way to the SCOTUS.

ATF says they're guns and not guns at the same time or something typically bizarre, and Texas company is saying that the ATF doesn't have jurisdiction since the items are manufactured and sold within state lines.

Look it up yourself because I'm working off of memory, but this could be important moving forward. And might accomplish what two years of (R) controlled Congress with the most conservative president in 100 years refused to do.
Posted by: Join Moron Robbie

Your memory is spot on.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM (gFoGk)

436 Read an article yesterday, I think, there's already ships with lots of soldiers heading that way.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
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Too Taiwan? Now? That would be interesting. And prove that Xi is more than a bit crazy.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM (UVyKP)

437 Israel officially maintains a state of ambiguity.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (eYoxG)

and missile launching submarines, but mostly, the ambiguity.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM (aD39U)

438 ? . South Africa had top scientists and also had assistance from Israel .
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (MNhXM)

He's saying South Africa now.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM (zZu0s)

439 You know who needs nukes and independent strike authority? That's right, Guam. It would be mostly responsible as a nuclear power.

Posted by: Signed, Guam's Mother at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (ppBhU)

440 It amuses me that the Japs love to play the victim in WW2, after the unspeakable atrocities they committed across the Asian world. There was no horror they wouldn't commit, no brutality they wouldn't do. Had Satan been Prime Minister of Japan 1938-45 nobody would have been able to distinguish.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

I started the book 'The Rape of Nanking' and could only get through the first two chapters and then gave it away. Absolutely mind-blowing horrific what the Japanese did. The author, Iris Chang, walked out to her car one day with her husband and small children inside the house, and shot herself. Writing this book literally destroyed her.

Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (oiNtH)

441 Well we damned sure know that post apartheid-era South Africa could not build a nuke. They can't keep the electricity on 24 hours a day.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2023 12:13 PM (17s+e)

There are more people, but I know 2 guys through work that are South Africans. They're BOTH trying to get the hell out of there as quick as possible. One has approval to take his family to Australia and take his chances as he doesn't even know if he can keep his current job. The other one is trying to get a work visa to move to Denmark and work with our Data Center team there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

442 I don't know about the rest of you but I find it all kinds of sexy when Sen. Miss Lindsey starts beating off to going to war against Russia and China. Miss Lindsey is our version Professor Kantorek who without personal consequences always leads the charge to war from an arm chair over tea and biscuits.

Posted by: Lost In Space at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (qxLut)

443 I think that is a bit of a miss. I'm sure that strike force at Kiev was just a feint, right?

Failure. Putin was wildly overoptimistic, and in his Covid isolation wasn't listening to any dissent via Zoom calls.

Of course, the US intelligence agencies also thought that Kiev would fall in 72 hours, so Putin wasn't the only one.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (2tUFv)

444 CBD,

We've had our differences, you and I, but I think you'll agree that a call by Michael Rubin to put tactical nukes in the hands of Azov Nazis represents some sort of absolutely cosmic irony.

Posted by: trev006 at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (ZyRtd)

445 426 399
Japan's constitution forbids them to possess nuclear weapons. I suspect that they have a stockpile of components that can be assembled into functional nukes extremely quickly though.

Sort of like people who have the individual components to rapidly assemble a suppressed select-fire SBR if the need suddenly occurs.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 13, 2023 12:08 PM (YXHzG)

*Gets up*
*Closes curtains*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:12 PM (xcxpd)
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True, but our constitution also forbids a whole bunch of shit that happens every day. I think the idea that a piece of paper would stop Japan from (justifiably) preparing to defend itself from a nuclear China or Russia is not very credible. The USA is a useless paper tiger who likes to dress up in tutus and fondle young pups. Japan and the others would be insane to rely on us any more. And Japan, South Korean, and Taiwan are not insane.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

446 Considering how few of their forces were involved and how quickly they backed off compared to how effort and manpower they're expending to hold other territories, yeah.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (eYoxG)
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They sacrificed some of their best soldiers going into the airport. I don't think that holds water. They were trying a strike to try and overthrow the government - to install that which they could no longer get done via the normal levers nations typically use. And they left a bunch of equipment on that road.

Nope - I don't buy this is a Donbass response. The evidence all points beyond that.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (UVyKP)

447 You know who needs nukes and independent strike authority? That's right, Guam. It would be mostly responsible as a nuclear power.
Posted by: Signed, Guam's Mother

With my luck, I'd give Guam nukes, and they'd fire them off just as they flipped over and Earth would loom like Alderaan.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (gFoGk)

448 438 ? . South Africa had top scientists and also had assistance from Israel .
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (MNhXM)

He's saying South Africa now.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM

I look forward to seeing South Africa continue down the path of success Zimbabwe took as it evolved out of Rhodesia.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (JCZqz)

449 Nood DeSantis thread

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (xcxpd)

450 440 It amuses me that the Japs love to play the victim in WW2, after the unspeakable atrocities they committed across the Asian world. There was no horror they wouldn't commit, no brutality they wouldn't do. Had Satan been Prime Minister of Japan 1938-45 nobody would have been able to distinguish.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

I started the book 'The Rape of Nanking' and could only get through the first two chapters and then gave it away. Absolutely mind-blowing horrific what the Japanese did. The author, Iris Chang, walked out to her car one day with her husband and small children inside the house, and shot herself. Writing this book literally destroyed her.

Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (oiNtH)

Wiki said she suffered depression, was on a host of medicines, and at the time of her death, was working on a book on the Bataan Death March.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

451 Nood, y'all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (a3Q+t)

452 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:18 PM (zZu0s)

453 The hard part with nukes is getting the fissile material, not the bomb design.

South Africa had lots of uranium to enrich.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (2tUFv)

454 440 It amuses me that the Japs love to play the victim in WW2, after the unspeakable atrocities they committed across the Asian world. There was no horror they wouldn't commit, no brutality they wouldn't do. Had Satan been Prime Minister of Japan 1938-45 nobody would have been able to distinguish.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

I started the book 'The Rape of Nanking' and could only get through the first two chapters and then gave it away. Absolutely mind-blowing horrific what the Japanese did. The author, Iris Chang, walked out to her car one day with her husband and small children inside the house, and shot herself. Writing this book literally destroyed her.
Posted by: Cheri at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (oiNtH)
_________

Agreed. But no worse than what the left has in store for us in the USA if they ever take total and complete power.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (iFTx/)

455
When your government is using its media cutouts to float notions of handing over nukes to one of the most corrupt and unstable countries in the world, so that it can threaten and intimidate another nuclear power for no compelling reason, you might need to start freaking out a little bit - if you weren't already freaking out when they used an actual sworn enemy of yours as a co-conspirator in the illegal development of next-gen bioweapons.

This is not normal or rational. The DC regime is a danger to humanity, and seems hell-bent on becoming an active enemy of everyone on earth.

Shit like this is how countries become pariah-states.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (oINRc)

456 South Africa had top scientists and also had assistance from Israel .
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:14 PM (MNhXM)

He's saying South Africa now.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM (zZu0s)

No he didn’t . Read the comment again.

If apartheid-era South Africa could build nukes, it's not that hard.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:10 PM (2tUFv)

Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (MNhXM)

457
==
Too Taiwan? Now? That would be interesting. And prove that Xi is more than a bit crazy.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:15 PM (UVyKP)

Here you go.

https://is.gd/x8ucg7

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:19 PM (Zz0t1)

458 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)

459 One has approval to take his family to Australia and take his chances as he doesn't even know if he can keep his current job. The other one is trying to get a work visa to move to Denmark and work with our Data Center team there.
Posted by: Sponge

Just get them out. Then to Mexico City. Then here.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (gFoGk)

460 Failure. Putin was wildly overoptimistic, and in his Covid isolation wasn't listening to any dissent via Zoom calls.

Of course, the US intelligence agencies also thought that Kiev would fall in 72 hours, so Putin wasn't the only one.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 13, 2023 12:16 PM (2tUFv)
==
I think it is universally accepted that the Russians have over-performed. It is also universally accepted that Russia has a bunch more to throw into the fight that Ukraine does, even with Ukraines superior kill ratio to date, they'd need to at least double it long term to have a chance. Russia I feel is just too big.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:20 PM (UVyKP)

461 Xipe Totec, we are planning a MoMe and your name came up. My email is linked in my nic if you'd like to be on our email notification list.

Posted by: Emmie -- are you on the ArkanOklaMoMe email list? at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (Emce2)

462 446
They sacrificed some of their best soldiers going into the airport. I don't think that holds water. They were trying a strike to try and overthrow the government - to install that which they could no longer get done via the normal levers nations typically use. And they left a bunch of equipment on that road.

Nope - I don't buy this is a Donbass response. The evidence all points beyond that.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 13, 2023 12:17 PM (UVyKP)

Their Plan A was focused on getting the forces in the East to withdraw. That's why they didn't invest too much into taking Kiev and didn't bother to stop in retreating from North Korea but instead went pretty much straight to the current battle line(behind which is what they plan to hold).

If you watch a map progression of the war in the early days, it's clear they were hoping that Ukraine would retreat forces to defend Kiev and that they could encircle the core of the Ukrainian army.

Their planning wasn't centered on 10% of their forces carrying the war directly. The reason both of the side assaults were so successful was because Ukraine was stationing inexperienced troops there. Russia wasn't too focused on follow-up though.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eYoxG)

463 *retreating from North Ukraine.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 13, 2023 12:21 PM (eYoxG)

464
Our "elites" really are trying to kill us off. They mean it when they say that the Earth's population should be around 500 million.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (xxG/v)

So the elites and their commie cocksucker minions want to start a nucular war with Russia.

The elites and their commie cocksucker minons largely live in the cities.

Nuke weapons are traditionally targeted largely on cities, with a smattering of counter-force weapons.

Rural deplorables kick back with a beer and enjoy their post-apocalyptic, irradiated but largely commie-free world.

Either the elites and their commie cocksucker minions are suicidal retards, or they really don't expect the missiles to fly.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 13, 2023 12:24 PM (n+4am)

465 Either the elites and their commie cocksucker minions are suicidal retards, or they really don't expect the missiles to fly.

There's substantial evidence for "suicidal retards".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2023 12:25 PM (ZGrMX)

466 Had the armored relief column from Belarus been able to link up with the paratroopers that attacked the Keev airport, things would have turned out a bit different. Indeed, if air resupply and reinforcement been better, things might have been different.

In both cases the Russians were stopped by modern defensive missile fire which they appeared to have ignored in their planning.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 13, 2023 12:26 PM (aD39U)

467 A good photo. Proof that a photo does not need to be openly racy to be provocative. Just hint. Just a bit. The mind fills in the rest.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 13, 2023 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

I prefer the nip outlines and fragile strings.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 13, 2023 12:56 PM (BdMk6)

468 But Russia is a decaying regional power, and the combination of its demographics and the loss of so many of its former colonies in eastern Europe and Asia has limited its ability to project power, and fund and man its military-industrial complex.

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So which part of that statement isn't also true of every Western nation and the United States in particular? We have the very same low replacement birth rate, but we have decided to covers ours up by importing third world barbarians. Is that really going to work out better in the long run?

Our military industrial complex can't even meet recruiting goals now. Our weapons are much more expensive but not dramatically more effective. We've been equipping Ukraine from stock and we no longer have the manufacturing power to replenish that stock. If we're going to start doing math then we should look at our own ledger as well.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2023 01:09 PM (NTi06)

469 Our "elites" really are trying to kill us off. They mean it when they say that the Earth's population should be around 500 million.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 13, 2023 11:13 AM (xxG/v)

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600 million is the number I have seen over and over again, but does it signify anything? That is roughly the population of the planet right now that is, relatively, affluent. You might take that as the number of people that the Earth can support.... in style.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 13, 2023 01:12 PM (NTi06)

470 Defeatist cynicism is the arrogance that we know the outcome - we do not. Our Creator expects us to fight for good until He ends the game, not us. - RWP

Seeing some of the comments here, this needed to be posted.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 13, 2023 01:30 PM (G2Uuw)

471 It is better to live on your feet than to die on your knees.

Posted by: That Old Italian Pimp at June 13, 2023 02:29 PM (aD39U)

472 "Its war with Ukraine is a border and cultural dispute,"...
A cultural dispute?!!!
It's a fucking war. Instituted by Putin and supported (probably because of Russian information control) by the Russian populace.
Without provocation, Russian forces INVADED a sovereign nation, killing civilians and destroying vast swathes of that nation.
A " dispute" that has cost billions in property damage, countless lives, and inflicted physical and psychological trauma on innocents.
Argue realpolitik all you want, but don't disguise it with bullshit descriptions.

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473
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Posted by: Melinda Roman at June 14, 2023 04:27 AM (bT+pQ)

474 Ukraine isn't about Ukraine. Its about standing up to an aggressor. Because, if you don't, they'll just attack another victim once they've devoured the one you failed to help.

And the next war is always bigger.

I thought we learned this lesson once and for all in the lead up to WWII.

Instead of a small regional conflict, where we're fighting by proxy, we ended up in a world war. Better to pay Ukraine to kneecap Russia than to sit it out, see Russia swallow all of Ukraine (which was the actual goal), and then have a much stronger foe to fight in the next round.

Without a proxy to supply the soldiers for us.

This really isn't complicated. At all.

Posted by: Arradin at June 14, 2023 05:35 AM (5kvQv)

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