Christopher Wray: Since You Are Now Threatening Criminal Charges Against Me, I'll Allow Two Congressmen, Including Leftwing Firebrand Jamie Raskin, to View a Heavily-Redacted Version of the Bribery Document. How's That?

FBI director will let top Republican LOOK at Biden 'criminal scheme' document: Chris Wray offers compromise on '$5million bribery' memo to avoid contempt charges
The internal unclassified FD-1023 form apparently details an 'arrangement' for an exchange of money for policy decisions, the Republicans have said
They issued a subpoena for the document last month and have threatened to hold FBI Director Chris Wray in contempt
By Morgan Phillips, U.S. Political Reporter For Dailymail.Com

The FBI will allow leaders of the Oversight Committee to view the FD-1023 form they say proves President Biden was involved in a $5 million criminal bribery scheme with a foreign national.
The internal unclassified FD-1023 form apparently details an 'arrangement' for an exchange of money for policy decisions, the Republicans have said and issued a subpoena for last month.
Oversight Chair James Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, spoke with FBI Director Christopher Wray by phone on Wednesday and Wray offered to let Comer and ranking member Jamie Raskin view the documents at the FBI headquarters in an attempt to stave off Comer's threat to hold Wray in contempt of Congress.
But Comer was left unsatisfied, and has said he will proceed with holding Wray in contempt if he does not hand over the document to the full committee.
Oversight Chair James Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, spoke with FBI Director Christopher Wray by phone on Wednesday
'We have been clear that anything short of producing these documents to the House Oversight Committee is not in compliance with the subpoena,' Comer said in a statement.
On Tuesday Speaker Kevin McCarthy backed up Comer's contempt threat - telling Fox and Friends he was 'prepared' to move forward with the charge.
'We have jurisdiction over the FBI, which they seem to act like we do not. I personally called Director Wray and told him he needs to send that document. Today is the deadline,' McCarthy said.
A whistleblower came forward with stunning claims that a file 'includes a precise description of how the alleged criminal scheme (involving Biden) was employed as well as its purpose', the Republicans said.
...
Comer alleges China indirectly paid off as many as 12 members of the Biden family in exchange for policy decisions.

Below, Comer says three things:

First, that the offer was only for a redacted version of the document. Comer says that he knows, based on his prior experience with the FBI, that they'll just black everything out, and then claim they "complied with Congress."

Second, that Wray's "compromise" of showing him thick black lines which obscure all text is unacceptable, and that they will continue preparing criminal charges against Wray.

Third, he says Republicans have already seen the document. And he says that Wray refused to concede the document even existed until he showed, by specifying the "five million dollars" payment, that he had already seen it and knew what it said.

So Wray is just fighting to keep this allegation -- which, let's face it, is 100% true -- classified so that no one can talk about it.

Comer says that document is unclassified. I have to think there's something the FBI can claim is "confidential" about it or something. They'll claim it exposes "sources and methods" or that bullsh!t. Comer says, by the way, that no sources or methods are exposed, but Wray will lie about it.

All they do is lie.

Via Benny Johnson.

Posted by: Ace at 12:11 PM

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1 Hi Ace

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:12 PM (t/2Uw)

2 I nooded

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2023 12:13 PM (05ST2)

3 Civilian oversight much?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 01, 2023 12:13 PM (MeG8a)

4 And still not talk from Congress about lowering the DOJ's budget by even a dollar.

Instead, they just passed a debt ceiling bill that addressed none of this.

Weird...it's almost like the Biden corruption investigation is failure theater for the rubes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

5 Maybe they can bring in black Matlock to solve the case?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 12:14 PM (lc5cP)

6 Shall I inscribe his name?

Posted by: Lamppost Engraver at June 01, 2023 12:14 PM (ufFY8)

7 can Wray be imprisoned? if there is no method to do so, none of this matters. he cares not.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 12:15 PM (w0NJk)

8 Meh.

My outrage meter has completely shut down. Which, I suppose, is exactly what the junta wants. Too many 'scandals,' too many 'stern letters' from the GOP-e, too many criminals laughing all the way to CNN.

It's overwhelming. I can't do anything, my 'representatives' won't do anything, my 'allies' won't do anything.

I simply can't be bothered to care anymore.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 12:15 PM (AW0uW)

9 Tee hee!

Posted by: Wray and Garland at June 01, 2023 12:15 PM (ov3uv)

10 I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 01, 2023 12:15 PM (ncXxy)

11 Hold each individual FBI agent in contempt when they refuse to turn over the document. Representatives have the ability to identify them, in theory.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:15 PM (FWpta)

12 Choice is simple: take the redacted release. Or, file the contempt charge, and the DoJ will refuse to arrest or prosecute, like they did with Holder. This is playacting.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2023 12:16 PM (oINRc)

13 Everyone that pays attention to politics knows Biden takes bribes.

The Democrats know. The Republicans know. The DOJ/FBI know. Leftists know. We know.

And no one will do a damn thing about it.

"Guilty as sin, free as a bird"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 12:16 PM (lc5cP)

14 Sources and Methods.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:16 PM (7NAVD)

15 This POS needs to be fired and arrested, but Biden will never let that happen because he's as corrupt at the FBI.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 01, 2023 12:16 PM (bkUtD)

16 I just authorized more money for the DOJ and FBI - Kevin Luntz-McCarthy.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:16 PM (to8pj)

17 "Sources and Methods."

I raise you one "ongoing investigation" and an "old news."

Posted by: Zek at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (5FPX4)

18 It seems like the GOP is doing a slightly better job of playing chess here.

Still the only way Biden gets charged is if God intervenes. It would legitimately be a miracle.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (z/ifB)

19 They already gender swapped matlock.

It was called Ally McBeal, and was moderately successful.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (9UlRk)

20 Everything new is old again

I'm gonna have to trademark that or something.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (9UlRk)

21 Wray has his taxpayer-funded jet all fueled up and ready for vacation! Can’t be bothered with trivia like this…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (05ST2)

22 The current state of affairs is how a country ends up with "by other means".

But as they've been saying for decades now, so far, so good 👍

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (FCbAQ)

23 Hey, TJM, I just bought your book. I'll let you know what I think.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (AW0uW)

24 FBI is all lying weasels.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (BRHaw)

25 On Tuesday Speaker Kevin McCarthy backed up Comer's contempt threat - telling Fox and Friends he was 'prepared' to move forward with the charge.

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McCarthy should have made releasing it a condition of passing the Perennial Debt ~~Ceiling~~ Floor #FailureTheater.

This is (one of 300 trillion reasons) why we can't have nice things ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (sJSOG)

26 So they are going to let TWO Congressmen from the committee into a SCIF to view a redacted and unclassified document.

No recording devices will be permitted. No notetaking will be permitted.

Then it just becomes the word of two Congressmen against the integrity of the FBI.

Lock up Wray in the Congressional jail until the unredacted, unclassified documents are released into the world for EVERYONE to see.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (YIVH2)

27 >>> I just authorized more money for the DOJ and FBI - Kevin Luntz-McCarthy.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

In fairness, they demanded 1.4 billion away from the IRs, leaving only 78 billion on their coffers. But sure, vote GOP!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (bkUtD)

28 23 Hey, TJM, I just bought your book. I'll let you know what I think.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (AW0uW)

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Wow!

Thank you!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

29 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Nebraska.

Posted by: Zek at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (5FPX4)

30 hi sharon!

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (KRtlO)

31 Keeping it under his vest, fkin rat bastard

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (SNWH9)

32 Ally McBeal has no tits or ass. WTF?

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (Hudry)

33 18 It seems like the GOP is doing a slightly better job of playing chess here....
Posted by: TexasDan at June 01, 2023 12:17 PM (z/ifB)

"King me!"

"What? But that's...."

"GO FISH!!!!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (9UlRk)

34 Going after Jim Justice in West Virginia is so blatantly political you would think it would raise a few eyebrows. Maybe this is their bow to Manchin for when they strip his pipeline concession out of the the bill they just passed. Fortunately it will not save his poltical bacon.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (t/2Uw)

35 Federal Bureau of Insurrection.

end it.

salt the earth under it.

Posted by: henry at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (JMDly)

36 34 Going after Jim Justice in West Virginia is so blatantly political you would think it would raise a few eyebrows. Maybe this is their bow to Manchin for when they strip his pipeline concession out of the the bill they just passed. Fortunately it will not save his poltical bacon.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (t/2Uw)

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It helped to save Whitmer's governorship in Michigan last year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (LvTSG)

37 "internal unclassified FD-1023 form"

I guess I don't know what 'unclassified' means then.

Posted by: gp Isn't A Core Piece at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (MvF+J)

38 Since we already know that Wray has no fear of being held in contempt of Congress (justifiably, to date), and issuance of such a threat must be accompanied by a very specific "or else".

We all know the Dems won't go along, but at least that will put them firmly in the coverup camp. It's something that even LIVs can't ignore. Well, most of them anyway.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (eOEVl)

39 >>>Or, file the contempt charge, and the DoJ will refuse to arrest or prosecute, like they did with Holder.

I think the statute of limitations is five years. He's not protected forever.

Of course, Biden may pardon him...

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (KRtlO)

40 Who would Wray submit to? Garland?

It's time for a duel.

Posted by: That Northern skulker at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (eGTCV)

41 Wray looks at watch "Well, sonofabitch, gotta go!" proceeds to car in heavy security detail headed to where 'his' plane is. Upon arrival, journalististists note that the FBI logo has Wray's signature just off to the right bottom as if signing a painting by a world renowned artiste!

'member that one time when President Trump vetoed Nancy's big get away?

Posted by: micky at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (3byMq)

42 This document must really be a smoking gun. Nobody fights this hard to keep something under wraps unless it's a real blockbuster.

As I lawyer, I have to make decisions, and sometimes fight over, document production all the time. One rule of thumb is that if you have a bad document, you should be reluctant to withhold it, because it will only make it look worse than it actually is. The other side will smell the blood in the water. So I'll just produce it, like it's not big deal.

The only docs you fight tooth and nail to withhold are the truly nuclear documents, the kind that will completely destroy your case if the other side sees them. Like in a divorce if your client has video of him fucking the family dog. This Biden corruption document must be just that.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (iFTx/)

43 Too big to jail.

Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (SYTee)

44 The Feds should seize Biden's real estate and bank accounts as proceeds from criminal activities.

All of them.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (lf83v)

45 29 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Nebraska.
Posted by: Zek

You mean burnt to the ground.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (oJm/a)

46 I know we like to predict failure city at the outset of these battles but let's let this one play out. I don't think even the squishiest of Republicans can let this one go.

I probably just guaranteed that the Republicans will cave.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (epMQ1)

47 Hunter is a Confidential Human Source for at least the FBI and prob 3 other agencies.

All DC knows this.

FBI not going to reveal their crackhead sexual offender CHS.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (oKXXu)

48 All they do is lie

And suck cock.

Posted by: Since they're all lying cocksuckers at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (fiChp)

49 Trust Wray - Q

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (to8pj)

50 Maybe they can bring in black Matlock to solve the case?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 12:14 PM (lc5cP)

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Jackie Chiles?

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (sJSOG)

51 42 This document must really be a smoking gun. Nobody fights this hard to keep something under wraps unless it's a real blockbuster.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (iFTx/)

=========

1) This isn't legal. It's political.
2) We've definitely reached the point where the establishment is just doing things because they can.

Besides, who's gonna carry the story?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

52 Is this the part where Wray jumps on his airplane and flies to Saranac Lake again?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (lf83v)

53 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Nebraska.

North Dakota.

Posted by: Bosk at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (VMFAF)

54 Republicans could have refused to "negotiate" with Biden until they had answers in the investigation into his corruption.

They could have demanded a Special Prosecutor. They had leverage.
It's not even about getting any of that. It's about the message. It's about announcing to the world that Biden is corrupt. Make Democrats defend it.

But they won't do any of that because they LOVE having Biden as fake president.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (FjnfP)

55 "You mean burnt to the ground."
After they lock the doors first, yes. But I'll settle for Nebraska.

Posted by: Zek at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (5FPX4)

56 Let's all pretend this is the only bribery scheme Biden was involved in and that by "debunking" it, we will prove him innocent of all charges to ever be lodged against him.

Posted by: Con, Inc. at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (CaJIi)

57 29 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Nebraska.
Posted by: Zek
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I think you meant Nome, Alaska.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (YIVH2)

58 What does Wray have to fear from a contempt charge?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (wsSEe)

59 46 I know we like to predict failure city at the outset of these battles but let's let this one play out. I don't think even the squishiest of Republicans can let this one go.

I probably just guaranteed that the Republicans will cave.
Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (epMQ1)

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They let Fast and Furious go. That involved actual dead people, including a Border Patrol agent.

They'll let this go.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

60 Besides, who's gonna carry the story?
_________

Especially during Pride Month.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (lf83v)

61 REMOVE OMELET

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (9UlRk)

62 As I lawyer, I have to make decisions, and sometimes fight over, document production all the time. One rule of thumb is that if you have a bad document, you should be reluctant to withhold it, because it will only make it look worse than it actually is. The other side will smell the blood in the water. So I'll just produce it, like it's not big deal.

Agree. They're scared to death to let this out. It'll destroy Biden, but that's probably not their biggest concern. The mud will spatter the Dems as a group, and threaten their power.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (eOEVl)

63 >>29 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to [is]Nebraska Iowa.
Posted by: Zek

You mean burnt to the ground.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

In Grassley's front yard.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (to8pj)

64 There is no negotiation here.
Only compliance with congress or charges.
If congress bends...they will never get their role back.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (e4fEA)

65 56 Let's all pretend this is the only bribery scheme Biden was involved in and that by "debunking" it, we will prove him innocent of all charges to ever be lodged against him.
Posted by: Con, Inc. at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (CaJIi)

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Incorrect.

Con, Inc. will decide that there really was something about the emoluments argument against Trump, claim both sides, and then decide that we need to move on and elect Chris Christie to be president.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

66 Maybe they can bring in black Matlock to solve the case?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 12:14 PM (lc5cP)

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Jackie Chiles?
Posted by: ShainS --

Lionel Hutz

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (oJm/a)

67 It helped to save Whitmer's governorship in Michigan last year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures

West Virginia is not Michigan. Justice currently beating Manchin by 30 pts in polls.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (t/2Uw)

68 Zek - I would settle for Minot ND

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (SNWH9)

69 They let Fast and Furious go. That involved actual dead people, including a Border Patrol agent.

They'll let this go.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

This is much much bigger imho.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (epMQ1)

70 What does Wray have to fear from a contempt charge?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (wsSEe)

It goes on his "permanent record"?

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (AwYPR)

71
Spoiler: Nothing will happen

Narrator:

12
Weeks
Lat-errrr

Nothing happened.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (FjnfP)

72 Say they file the contempt charge, and the DoJ says LOLGF, like they did with Holder. At that point, the GOP said "ok sorry we'll go get fucked then."

But... Do they have any recourse? Could they demand that the Capitol police or the Sergeant-at-Arms make the arrest, since the DoJ won't arrest one of their own?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (oINRc)

73 What does Wray have to fear from a contempt charge?
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He won't be able to use the VIP Room at Archibald's strip club in DC anymore.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (lf83v)

74 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Nebraska.

Posted by: Zek at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (5FPX4)

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You misspelled Greenland.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (sJSOG)

75 69 They let Fast and Furious go. That involved actual dead people, including a Border Patrol agent.

They'll let this go.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

This is much much bigger imho.
Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (epMQ1)

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Dead people are a sexier story than corruption. Corruption requires large graphs with arrows, and it tends to be hard to understand.

"Besides, everyone's corrupt, so who cares? This is just politics. "

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:24 PM (LvTSG)

76 I hope Chris Christie gets ripped on the debate stage for recommending Christopher Wray to Trump.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 01, 2023 12:24 PM (NpAcC)

77 51 42 This document must really be a smoking gun. Nobody fights this hard to keep something under wraps unless it's a real blockbuster.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 01, 2023 12:20 PM (iFTx/)

=========

1) This isn't legal. It's political.
2) We've definitely reached the point where the establishment is just doing things because they can.

Besides, who's gonna carry the story?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (LvTSG)
_________________

1. Same thing
2. True, but I smell real blood here

Who's gonna carry the story? Nobody. But that would be true if they just produced it. Something else is going on. Most likely, the document implicates not only Biden, but other big names as well.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 01, 2023 12:24 PM (iFTx/)

78 There is no negotiation here.
Only compliance with congress or charges.

But who will enforce the charges?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)

79 What does Wray have to fear from a contempt charge?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:21 PM (wsSEe)
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If anything, it will "enhance" his reputation for his post-career book deal, worth millions.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 01, 2023 12:24 PM (YIVH2)

80 He won't be able to use the VIP Room at Archibald's strip club in DC anymore.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:23 PM (lf83v)

Well shit.

That's probably a decent sized chunk of the guy's income stream, too, isn't it?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:24 PM (9UlRk)

81 Maybe they can bring in black Matlock to solve the case?
____

Bitch, I don't get outta bed unless I gettin' paid.

Posted by: Blacklock at June 01, 2023 12:25 PM (lf83v)

82 Ally McBeal has no tits or ass. WTF?

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (Hudry)

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I would tune-in to watch Dyan Cannon's ... uhm ... waddle.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:25 PM (sJSOG)

83
Does anyone believe Republicans have any intention of doing anything about this other than posturing, grandstanding, raising money and eventually capitulation with perhaps a harsh word or confinement to the Comfy Chair?

Why?

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:25 PM (FjnfP)

84 But... Do they have any recourse? Could they demand that the Capitol police or the Sergeant-at-Arms make the arrest, since the DoJ won't arrest one of their own?

that was exactly my question earlier, YD

there's no way Garland is arresting Mr Nice Hair

so if there is no method to enact any repercussions for Wray/FBI ignoring this, they simply will. and they might do it just to spit in the eyes of those who still believe in the USA

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (w0NJk)

85 That's probably a decent sized chunk of the guy's income stream, too, isn't it?
________

Government travel credit card.

Business expense.

Posted by: Blacklock at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (lf83v)

86 It's good that Comer is not falling for the usual tricks.

The problem, of course, is that Wray is untouchable, and Wray knows it. No chance Garland enforces anything against him. His only motivation is to try and avoid bad PR for himself or the Bureau, if possible. If it's not possible, then fuck it, get the press flacks to start writing stories about how the GOP is ACKSHUALLY the ones against law and order because they are being mean to the FBI. Rinse and repeat until the counter-revolution finally arrives.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (5C4od)

87 Federal Bureau of Insurrection.

end it.

salt the earth under it.

Posted by: henry at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (JMDly)

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Fecklessness. Betrayal. Insurrection.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (sJSOG)

88
Matlock is now a non-man of color.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (FjnfP)

89 I think the slowness in this case is fine.

GOP seems to know more than they let on, but this is designed to slowly build up.

Don't be in a hurry. Then its "old news"

Posted by: Harun at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (Cg63x)

90 Thanks Trump.
That Wray sure is a standup guy.

Posted by: Roland HTG at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (j40lz)

91 47 Sounds very plausible!

Posted by: gp Isn't A Core Piece at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (MvF+J)

92 'How's That?'

Insufficient.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2023 12:27 PM (a1ycR)

93 The document was given to the FBI by Guliani! Fake news! Debunked! Russian Disinfo!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:27 PM (wsSEe)

94 Another choir boy like his seniors, Mueller and Comey.

That's not accidental.

Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra & Jade, too. at June 01, 2023 12:27 PM (GshMh)

95 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Ft. Polk, Louisiana. ~~Nebraska~~
Posted by: Zek

My vote for cruel and unusual duty assignment for them. Make the, live / work on post in steel, unairconditioned quonset huts.

Posted by: BifBewalski at June 01, 2023 12:27 PM (3CCua)

96 Government travel credit card.

Business expense.
Posted by: Blacklock at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (lf83v)

I mean i was trying to obliquely imply that he fellates powerful men in dark private rooms in exchange for cash but yeah that works too.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:27 PM (9UlRk)

97 Comer said they could black out the person's name who the form was initiated % submitted/ provided the information.

Wray is stuck because there's no follow-up to the form being submitted.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (uywL/)

98 His hair is pretty cute though

Posted by: Mealy Mouth at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (0pLZt)

99 29 FBI HQ needs to be relocated to Nebraska.
Posted by: Zek at June 01, 2023 12:18 PM (5FPX4)

Maybe Prudhoe Bay, Alaska
There's enough land there to put their sprawling new gated community. Thermostats set at 65 degrees year round. They can hunt and fish for sustenance and store what they need for the winter when they are iced in. That's my vision of justice.

Posted by: DaveD at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (WrzlM)

100 Who appointed Wray, again?

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (2tUFv)

101 Fecklessness. Betrayal. Insurrection.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:26 PM (sJSOG)

During Tranny Tuck, Steal Your Kids, Kill Kill Kill Mass Grave Unmitigated Hubris Story Hour Month???

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (FjnfP)

102 BREAKING: JP Morgan just downgraded Target's stock, after its longest losing streak in 23 years citing "too many concerns rising’.

Happy Pride Month Target!!

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (to8pj)

103 The source they are trying to protect is Hunter Biden. It will come out that he has been given immunity in exchange for informing the FBI secret police.

Posted by: Valiant at June 01, 2023 12:29 PM (cy2xC)

104 All they do is lie

And suck cock.

I'm not a liar.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 01, 2023 12:29 PM (AW0uW)

105 Who appointed Wray, again?
Posted by: A Provocative Parade

Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:29 PM (wsSEe)

106 Chris Christie is enormous.

Seriously huge.
Like an iceberg 1/3 of him would float above water with no effort on his part.

He has a better chance of being elected the 51st state than president, and is only in the game to be the designated bomb thrower against big orange

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 01, 2023 12:30 PM (FCbAQ)

107 >>100 Who appointed Wray, again?

The circus clown that is about to have a townhall with Hannity?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:30 PM (to8pj)

108 Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.

...according to whom?

anyway whatever. PDJT doesn't make mistakes.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 12:30 PM (w0NJk)

109 Put the FBI HQ on an abandoned oil platform in the Berents Sea.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:30 PM (wsSEe)

110 103 The source they are trying to protect is Hunter Biden. It will come out that he has been given immunity in exchange for informing the FBI secret police.
Posted by: Valiant at June 01, 2023 12:29 PM (cy2xC)

Precisely.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:30 PM (oKXXu)

111 Damn. I saw “Nood. Wray” on the last thread and was expecting Fay.

Posted by: Zombie Georges Melies at June 01, 2023 12:31 PM (+ze3w)

112 Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
___________

Well, that lends credence to this post from above:

I mean i was trying to obliquely imply that he fellates powerful men in dark private rooms in exchange for cash but yeah that works too.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:31 PM (lf83v)

113 We'll get more nude Hunter photos before we get this doc.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2023 12:31 PM (AwYPR)

114 >>>Put the FBI HQ on an abandoned oil platform in the Berents Sea.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Without a Krusty Burger franchise.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 01, 2023 12:31 PM (bkUtD)

115 Who appointed Wray, again?
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 01, 2023 12:28 PM (2tUFv)

Doesn't matter. Today, he's in contempt of Congress for burying an investigation of Brandon's corruption, and his DoJ is preparing to refuse a lawful order to keep it buried. That's the story here: a lawless police state that serves a corrupt Party.

Not who appointed this cut-rate Himmler.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (oINRc)

116 I am still waiting for the ham and eggers, rank and file pension padding layabouts to walk off the job at the FBI.

Resign Scum Bags! Do something useful for once in your miserable lives.

Shame On All Of Them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (7tCXb)

117 I'm sorry...the new rules that the fash left put forward is contempt is mucho big deal. you go jail now, reay

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (MLrvz)

118 DeSantis will only appoint the best. The best. Just ask Christina "Dreamer" Pushaw.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (FjnfP)

119 Baltimore is where the FIBs need to be located. DOWN TOWN B-More.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (Hudry)

120 Biden's poll numbers are crashing. He's at -14+% with all the major news oraganizations at 58-59% disapproval. The surprise is that no enterprising Democrat has come forward to take advantage of this. Well, except for Kennedy but he isn't a current office holder. You would think someone would take this opportunity to put Biden in his grave( I meant figuratively speaking, Bob).

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (t/2Uw)

121 I can't help but feel that Republicans are just being slow bled.

In the end, Comer will be outed as a pedo 12 hours before the release of the document. Or a 30 year old allegation of sexual impropriety will surface.

Or the document will have a dickbutt on it, and nothing else.

Posted by: MJ at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (zwDuR)

122 Oh, and as a follow on to my #95 above. They must live / work in those conditions for a period of no less than 60 months or face a full 60 month prison sentence for corruption in the Angola Louisiana State prison in the general population wearing FBI on their prison uniform. No trial, no bail, no bond, no lawyer, no parole. The only[/] way to bypass that binary option will be to turn prison rat snitch bitch on their leadership.

Posted by: BifBewalski at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (3CCua)

123 My husband and I are moving somewhere safer and with a better support network than where we are now and more likely to make subsistence gardening possible if necessary.

Posted by: Synova at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (BD/yx)

124 93 The document was given to the FBI by Guliani! Fake news! Debunked! Russian Disinfo!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:27 PM (wsSEe)

Idk about Giuliani but the report was dismissed as disinfo by a dude involved in crossfire hurricane.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (oKXXu)

125 The FBI should be reduced to nothing but a national records keeping agency, keeping track of criminals and those who wish ill upon the state. Just a bunch of clerks, shuffling 3X5 cards.

Zombie Reinhard Heydrich

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (lz5hY)

126 >>>I am still waiting for the ham and eggers, rank and file pension padding layabouts to walk off the job at the FBI.

Never going to happen. Ever.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (bkUtD)

127 ...according to whom?

anyway whatever. PDJT doesn't make mistakes.
Posted by: BlackOrchid
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Okay. Who should he have appointed?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (lf83v)

128 Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:29 PM (wsSEe)

Well then it's fucking nobody then, innit? And oh hey look at these interesting photographs i found of Grassley walking into the bathhouse that i totally didn't just hire some goon to shoop up for me.

Seriously, is politics really all that hard?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (9UlRk)

129 116 I am still waiting for the ham and eggers, rank and file pension padding layabouts to walk off the job at the FBI.

Resign Scum Bags! Do something useful for once in your miserable lives.

Shame On All Of Them.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (7tCXb)

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I remember being assured that the ham and eggers would do that once Comey laid down on the Hillary investigation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:33 PM (LvTSG)

130 Comer says that document is unclassified. I have to think there's something the FBI can claim is "confidential" about it or something. They'll claim it exposes "sources and methods" or that bullsh!t. Comer says, by the way, that no sources or methods are exposed, but Wray will lie about it.

All they do is lie.

///////////

as a republican who just witnessed america disintegrate, I'm left with two predictions to every problem:

1. SCOTUS denies cert.
2. witness tells GOP congressman "I have no recollection" and that's that.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:33 PM (MLrvz)

131 Epstein was the source. He overheard it while arranging a pudendal massage for Joe.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:33 PM (wsSEe)

132 123 My husband and I are moving somewhere safer and with a better support network than where we are now and more likely to make subsistence gardening possible if necessary.

that's smart, Synova

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 12:33 PM (w0NJk)

133 Just fucking leak it already. That's what I would do.

Posted by: Adam Schiff, Impeachment Manager at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (qH41z)

134 120 Biden's poll numbers are crashing. He's at -14+% with all the major news oraganizations at 58-59% disapproval. The surprise is that no enterprising Democrat has come forward to take advantage of this. Well, except for Kennedy but he isn't a current office holder. You would think someone would take this opportunity to put Biden in his grave( I meant figuratively speaking, Bob).
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (t/2Uw)

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There's an easy explanation. Joe Biden is the only potential presidential candidate who takes voter fraud seriously.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (LvTSG)

135 Rep. Comer, How come the FBI will not turn over a document? (that most likely doesn't exsit?*)

I feel so sorry for Chris Dunham. It wasn't a job that he sought (hence the 'acting'). Hope he holds his ground and comes out without too much trauma on the other side of having to deal with these shitheads.

Didn't Comer have a whistleblower on the Biden Family scheduled to speak in front of his committee but the guy never showed up and has an arrest warrant out on him?

I think the FBI document that Comer wants is much like his eyewitness whistle blower they are not really real.

Trump wants the names of those investigating him! People’s lives are in danger!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (YlvNQ)

136 The surprise is that no enterprising Democrat has come forward to take advantage of this. Well, except for Kennedy but he isn't a current office holder. You would think someone would take this opportunity to put Biden in his grave( I meant figuratively speaking, Bob).
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The fact that they chose Biden tells you the bench is empty. They have no Bull Pen.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (Hudry)

137 Of course, Biden may pardon him...
Posted by: ace a

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hey, at least they cared enough to pardon the guy bc they at least conceived there was a risk.

but no, if our GOP house leadership was smart, they'd use covid emergencies to have hearings ANYWHERE ELSE than DC.

I mean...didn't they have a hearing in NYC? Why not do Mayorkas in a border town and then contempt/perjury the guy there. Or Wray answer questions in Mar A Lago?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (MLrvz)

138 135 I think the FBI document that Comer wants is much like his eyewitness whistle blower they are not really real.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (YlvNQ)

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It's funny because Wray admitted to the document's existence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

139 BidenLaptopMedia.com

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)

140 "moving somewhere safer and with a better support network than where we are now"

I'm envious.

Posted by: gp Isn't A Core Piece at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (MvF+J)

141 I know Kevin McDonkey will stand by his colleague Chris Wray and do nothing.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (17s+e)

142 136 The fact that they chose Biden tells you the bench is empty. They have no Bull Pen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (Hudry)

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"Yeah...they're busy."
-David French in the closet in his Superman costume

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

143 The fact that they chose Biden tells you the bench is empty. They have no Bull Pen.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (Hudry)

It tells you that everyone in DC is happy with this arrangement.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (FjnfP)

144 There's an easy explanation. Joe Biden is the only potential presidential candidate who takes voter fraud seriously.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (LvTSG)

You know. Like how the Andrettis take racing seriously. Or like how Brian Stelter takes eating three dozen glazed rings seriously.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (9UlRk)

145 if I was a GOP leader (non uniparty)

...(what would that be, GOPNUP?)

...I would scour earth to figure out who pushed wray on trump and excommunicado that guy from GOP

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:36 PM (MLrvz)

146 It's funny because Wray admitted to the document's existence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

I don't get it.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at June 01, 2023 12:36 PM (FjnfP)

147 Kammy: Hey, I'm ready!
Gavin: Hey, I'm ready!

DNC: Well, Joe it is!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:36 PM (wsSEe)

148 146 It's funny because Wray admitted to the document's existence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

I don't get it.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at June 01, 2023 12:36 PM (FjnfP)

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Streams have been crossed.

Watch out for large marshmallow men.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

149 McConnell refused a single minute of recess during Trump's term.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (FjnfP)

150 according to whom?

anyway whatever. PDJT doesn't make mistakes.
Posted by: BlackOrchid
___________

Okay. Who should he have appointed?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (lf83v)

Just another case of Trump's hands being tied. /s if you couldn't guess.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (MNhXM)

151 "BidenLaptopMedia.com"

Error 520 on most attempts, despite Cloudflare DDOS protection.

Posted by: gp Isn't A Core Piece at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (MvF+J)

152 The fact that they chose Biden tells you the bench is empty. They have no Bull Pen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (Hudry)

I thought they picked Biden because he was completely expendable, and the events of the past three years have completely vindicated me.

That's the same reason Michelle Obama will not let herself become the Rat nominee.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (FWpta)

153 152 I thought they picked Biden because he was completely expendable, and the events of the past three years have completely vindicated me.

That's the same reason Michelle Obama will not let herself become the Rat nominee.
Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (FWpta)

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They picked him because he was the only one who could beat Bernie in the primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:38 PM (LvTSG)

154 Hey peasants and proles, vote harder next time. Suck it!

Posted by: Chrissy Wray at June 01, 2023 12:38 PM (2D+TA)

155 Can't comment on an ongoing investigation....

/sings

The investigation never ends..
It just goes on and on my friends..

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 12:38 PM (oHd/0)

156 BidenLaptopMedia.com

Already crashing - I'm sure that the NSA is doing a massive DDoS attack on it.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at June 01, 2023 12:38 PM (2tUFv)

157 they "picked" biden because he wasn't bernie. IDK who else was the other viable "not bernie" donk in 2020 anymore.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (MLrvz)

158 The fact that they chose Biden tells you the bench is empty. They have no Bull Pen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM

No, it shows "Vote Blue no matter Who" is alive and well in the Dem Party. They have better candidates available (if it were an honest election where appealing to voters mattered), but they don't need to.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (YlvNQ)

159 147 Kammy: Hey, I'm ready!
Gavin: Hey, I'm ready!

DNC: Well, Joe it is!
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There is always Governor Pritzker. You know, the brother of Jennifer who paid the freight on delivering the Gay Hawaiian Oreo Cookie to the IL, US Senate and WH.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (Hudry)

160 Wray Raid imminent?

I kill myself.
Not really.

Posted by: Zombie Jeff Epstein at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (lZVy/)

161 It seems this Contempt theater is conveniently heating up now that GOPe has fucked us in the ass once again with the debt ceiling.

Let's all argue about Wray and the fed hiding paperwork.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (to8pj)

162 "Christopher Wray is talented, capable & highly respected. POTUS has made an inspired choice & I look forward to working with Director Wray."

Ron DeSantis 2017

Kind of silly to pretend that everyone knew Wray was going to throw in with the dark side when he was appointed in 2017 when apparently everyone was fooled.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (ZLI7S)

163 Okay. Who should he have appointed?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (lf83v)

Pretty sure moat of Trump's more treacherous nominees needed Senate confirmation. This would ordinarily be a strike against him, except that RDS has so many evil NeverTrump shitheels backing him that "appointments" are no longer an argument in his favor.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (FWpta)

164 The GOP fought trump harder than the donks did.
The GOP facilitated attacks on trump from the left.

Ryan and Corker gave up their political careers rather than work with trump.

Ask yourself "Why?"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (wsSEe)

165 It could jeopardize the ongoing investigation!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (IAwid)

166 Can we please not turn another thread into an argument about Trump?

Posted by: Zombie Georges Melies at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (+ze3w)

167 It's funny because Wray admitted to the document's existence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

That should have been a Ben Roethlisberger in all caps

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (t/2Uw)

168 Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.

I was unaware a Senator had that kind of power. Quit making excuses.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (eOEVl)

169 They picked him because he was the only one who could beat Bernie in the primary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:38 PM (LvTSG)

If they knew Bernie they would have known he never wanted to be President and would have sabotaged his own campaign if he thought he was going to win.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (MNhXM)

170 167 It's funny because Wray admitted to the document's existence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

That should have been a Ben Roethlisberger in all caps
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (t/2Uw)

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I just don't sock.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

171 Another fun fact from the Balkans.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (X+Ku8)

172 All kidding aside, there has to be a few, and I mean a few ham and egger special agents left in the Bureau (I'm talking in the dozens, remote field offices). I would have my head on a swivel if I was one, as the home office is looking for heroes to polish up the tarnished reputation.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (lz5hY)

173 They picked Biden because he is the center of their foreign corruption schemes and they wanted our enemies to know their decades of "contributions" were not going to go unrewarded.

Probably the same reason Obama "picked" him. Just a clear message to our enemies they everyone was simpatico and that all channels would remain open.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (FjnfP)

174 Christopher Wray is talented, capable & highly respected. POTUS has made an inspired choice & I look forward to working with Director Wray."

Ron DeSantis 2017

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (ZLI7S)

Good catch.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (FWpta)

175 Baltimore is where the FIBs need to be located. DOWN TOWN B-More.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:32 PM (Hudry)

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There's a potential reboot of The Wire in there ... with a twist.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (sJSOG)

176 168 Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.

I was unaware a Senator had that kind of power. Quit making excuses.

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fucking GOP uniparty.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (MLrvz)

177 Ask yourself "Why?"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (wsSEe)

UKR

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (oKXXu)

178 149 McConnell refused a single minute of recess during Trump's term.
Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM

Wait...they're on the same team? Oh, I bet Mitch pushed through all Trump's nominees, so it wasn't an issue!

Posted by: LIV FoxNews watching Boomer at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (YlvNQ)

179

FBI eats da poo poo out of monkeypox butt!

Posted by: Rev. Martin Ssempa at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (C6pAi)

180 Oops, off inventor of many special effects sock.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (+ze3w)

181 169 If they knew Bernie they would have known he never wanted to be President and would have sabotaged his own campaign if he thought he was going to win.
Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:40 PM (MNhXM)

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The people want some kind of populist outsider. It's why Trump has so much purchase with the electorate, and why Bernie had to be essentially cheated out of the nomination twice.

It's just that the establishment holds a lot of power over the electoral process. It's not complete, but it's enough to ensure they get what they want on the macro level no matter what, at this point. The covid hysteria gave them cover for that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (LvTSG)

182 Could you imagine Pritzker and Christie in 24?

2 tons of political heavyweights.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (wsSEe)

183 I've gotten to a point where I no longer care for the taste of hope. It's the bitter palate of disappointment. This has more than a whiff of that. This document / whistleblower thing comes sooooo tantalizingly close to being "The Thing" that finally blows it all open. The thing that ends not just Joe Biden, but all the people who propped him up, and the execrable FBI that dragged him over 2020's finish line and continues to do so to this day.

So I know how it'll taste if I take a bite. There's too much at stake. My guess is it'll be an adjacent-but-false allegation. Something with no subtance to it which can be debunked and use to dismiss anything else as "conspiracy theory" while the truth lies so very, very close to the facts of the memo. Just not close enough. If I were a betting man...

Posted by: SMFH at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (vGZLX)

184 Take away their ability to perform arrests.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 01, 2023 12:42 PM (uXUI3)

185 I-uh-uh, l-l-last n-,, last night-I uh, a d-d-dream about-uh,, about-uh,,uhhmmmmm

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at June 01, 2023 12:42 PM (vwCZJ)

186 >>>Christopher Wray is talented, capable & highly respected. POTUS has made an inspired choice & I look forward to working with Director Wray."

Ron DeSantis 2017

Posted by: JackStraw

Amazing. Trump nominates the guy and tells his allies to support the nomination, and then attacks people for trusting him.

Trump 2024

You fucked up -- you trusted me.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:42 PM (KRtlO)

187 It seems this Contempt theater is conveniently heating up now that GOPe has fucked us in the ass once again with the debt ceiling.

Let's all argue about Wray and the fed hiding paperwork.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (to8pj)

Don't forget, they are also going to release some of the J6 footage to a handful of selected reporters, who can spend the next 3 years watching it, if they watch 8 hours per day, every day.

Are you tired of winning yet?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:42 PM (IAwid)

188 I was unaware a Senator had that kind of power. Quit making excuses.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (eOEVl)

Grassley was whip or chair of something or other, right? So he could stymie any confirmation hearings? I don't know. Still. There's generally a pervasive stink of "nothing i can do" wafting out of every crack in the wall of this cabal of perverts and crooks who otherwise seem to wield an absurd amount of power.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (9UlRk)

189 Take away their ability to perform arrests.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 01, 2023 12:42 PM (uXUI3)

Now that's comedy!

Posted by: Chrissy Wray at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (2D+TA)

190 Did somebody mention glazed rings?

Posted by: Hope Solo's Globetrotting Squeakhole at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (AW0uW)

191 I was unaware a Senator had that kind of power. Quit making excuses.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (eOEVl)

Wait, you're saying the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee doesn't have major, if not decisive, influence on who gets through his committee?

The problem with RDS stans isn't that they're retarded, it's that they expect everyone else to buy into it. Nothing doing.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (FWpta)

192 Trump wants the names of those investigating him! People’s lives are in danger!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 01, 2023 12:34 PM (YlvNQ)

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Deep Throat, is that you?

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (sJSOG)

193 Could you imagine Pritzker and Christie in 24?
_________

Four more tons!

Four more tons!

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (lf83v)

194 I was unaware a Senator had that kind of power. Quit making excuses

When you are chair of the judiciary committee and the decision to bring a nominee to a vote is pretty much yours....

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (wsSEe)

195 Kind of silly to pretend that everyone knew Wray was going to throw in with the dark side when he was appointed in 2017 when apparently everyone was fooled.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:39 PM (ZLI7S)
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When a GOP president nominates an important agency head, it is ridiculous to think a backbench congressman is going to vote "no". The responsibility for Wray in office falls on the President, and him alone, and not a member.

Posted by: Adam Schiff, Impeachment Manager at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (kLb13)

196 Fooled Bush as well, apparently. Or maybe Bush's hands were tied.

>>From 2003 to 2005, Wray served as Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Criminal Division in George W. Bush's administration.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (ZLI7S)

197 we forget that the GOP uniparty also (no one has said this outloud but come on) joined with the DNC in using the Mueller witch hunt and Russiagate to push back on Trump.

Trump coulda gone nuclear pre-2018 midterms but he didn't.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (MLrvz)

198 Christopher Wray seems intent to run out the clock on the Hunter Biden matter and thus protect the big guy.o now Comer is threatening Wray with Contempt of Congress.
Oooooo. Big threat. Ask Eric Holder how that affected his life.

What Wray is doing is more than Contempt of Congress, its obstruction of justice.
Yes, I know, they will be serving Ben & Jerry's in hell before Garland charges Wray, but there is another route.
They NY AG showed us the way when they went after Trump. Lets find a state AG who will charge Wray with obstruction.
I know, that's not the way the GOP plays the game. But they need to start. The DNC made the rules. Either the GOP plays by them or gets rolled.
All we need is a Red state AG who can claim some form of jurisdiction.

Posted by: Chemist at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (HJMJw)

199 The people want some kind of populist outsider. It's why Trump has so much purchase with the electorate, and why Bernie had to be essentially cheated out of the nomination twice.

It's just that the establishment holds a lot of power over the electoral process. It's not complete, but it's enough to ensure they get what they want on the macro level no matter what, at this point. The covid hysteria gave them cover for that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:41 PM (LvTSG)

Yup, its the Beltway / Media / Big Business triumvirate against flyover America.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (oHd/0)

200 FBI HQ should be relocated to Mars.

Posted by: Bamanarama at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (uH1aC)

201 Trump's excuse for nominating Wray isn't that Grassley told him it was Wray or nobody -- it's that the Very Strong Conservative Chris Christie recommended him. It's on video. He told Hannity this in March.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (KRtlO)

202 186 Amazing. Trump nominates the guy and tells his allies to support the nomination, and then attacks people for trusting him.

Trump 2024

You fucked up -- you trusted me.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:42 PM (KRtlO)

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So, DeSantis is willing to do as he's told? You're making me like him less, ace!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (LvTSG)

203 You know what doesn't get said enough? Merrick Garland was almost a Supreme Court Justice. If he's willing to openly politicize the DOJ, to the point of using the FBI as the Democrat SS, and covering for bribery of the President, what would he have done as lifetime Supreme Court Justice? Thank God we have a chance to be rid of him in a couple of years.

Never Trump wanted him. Remember that.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (UyECW)

204 Schitty Schiff removal

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (kLb13)

205 Wray will brazen it out. As others have pointed out, a contempt charge means nothing if the Biden DoJ refuses to prosecute, and it will refuse to prosecute.

Obama took a risk choosing Biden as his cutout. Fun fact: Before details of the Teapot Dome scandal went public, then-President Warren G. Harding died from complications after eating bad lobster on his Alaska trip. Things like this can happen, right? Except lobster wasn't on the menu.

I'd give Joe Biden 50-50 odds on surviving the year. Don't eat the fish, Joe.

Posted by: troyriser at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (7Cx1V)

206 "Christopher Wray is talented, capable & highly respected. POTUS has made an inspired choice & I look forward to working with Director Wray."

Ron DeSantis 2017

DeSantis was wrong. See how easy that is.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (eOEVl)

207 Doesn't the House have their own brig? And it is unoccupied at the moment, right? Well McCarthy et al -- time to fill it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (N39Ws)

208 Pritzker/christie 2024?

The Prick/Donut ticket...

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (uXUI3)

209 159 147 Kammy: Hey, I'm ready!
Gavin: Hey, I'm ready!

DNC: Well, Joe it is!

I'm not sure who Kammy is, but I like all the Cammy Cosplayers out there: https://tinyurl.com/3mjm2xdc

Posted by: Gaming Moron at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (YlvNQ)

210 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO)

211 >>When a GOP president nominates an important agency head, it is ridiculous to think a backbench congressman is going to vote "no". The responsibility for Wray in office falls on the President, and him alone, and not a member.

So you're saying that DeSantis was pretty much a nobody in Congress and his words should be ignored?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)

212 Can we please not turn another thread into an argument about Trump

Good idea, but highly unlikely.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (Mv3Fx)

213 I don't fault or give credit to Presidents for most of their selections because it's mostly done by committee and recommendations given to them. But if history tells me ( sheesh another Bush appointee ) most here used to have no problem assigning blame. Cognitive dissonance isn't just a leftists phenomena.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (MNhXM)

214 McConnell refused a single minute of recess during Trump's term.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:37 PM (FjnfP)

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There have been so many betrayals, it's hard to recount them all after all these years.

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (sJSOG)

215 PDJT appointed many terrible nominees, but Wray obviously was the worst of the bunch. DeSantis had literally zero to do with Trump personnel choices.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (kLb13)

216 >>>So, DeSantis is willing to do as he's told? You're making me like him less, ace!

you're officially entering "cult" territory with bullshit like this.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO)

217 "Could you imagine Pritzker and Christie in 24?"

Actually, I can. Which means it can't happen, because 2024 is going to be beyond anything imaginable.

Posted by: gp Isn't A Core Piece at June 01, 2023 12:46 PM (MvF+J)

218 If Trump had nominated someone better, they would have got through *and* wouldn't be protecting the corruption in DC.

Or is it just that "we'll never know"...?

Just to be clear, that's the story DePlantis People are going with?

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:46 PM (+7f6L)

219 42 Like in a divorce if your client has video of him fucking the family dog. This Biden corruption document must be just that.

So that's why Joe's dog tried to bite everyone! I wonder where Joe sniffed it beforehand?!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 01, 2023 12:46 PM (OqSlY)

220 To be fair to Trump, are there actually any good choices to be handed unchecked power?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:46 PM (IAwid)

221 208 Pritzker/christie 2024?

The Prick/Donut ticket...
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM

Any bets on Trump's nickname for Christie? I'm hoping for Kristie Kreme, but he's not usually so blunt and cruel.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 12:46 PM (YlvNQ)

222 So you're saying that DeSantis was pretty much a nobody in Congress and his words should be ignored?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
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my answer is at 215

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (kLb13)

223 >>DeSantis was wrong. See how easy that is.

Exactly. Wray fooled a lot of people including Bush, DeSantis and Trump and pretty much everyone in Congress.

Maybe then DeSantis folks should making this about Trump. That would be even easier. Give it a shot.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (ZLI7S)

224 216 >>>So, DeSantis is willing to do as he's told? You're making me like him less, ace!

you're officially entering "cult" territory with bullshit like this.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO)

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I'm actually a DeSantis voter, ace.

I just think both DeSantis and Trump have major issues and would be minor players in a more serious time. I don't see either as great. I see them both as flawed but with potential for being good presidents, leaning more towards DeSantis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

225 Never mind the DoJ leaks like a sieve about anything Trump related including outright lies.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (cMXNt)

226 The Chris Christie campaign song. Bertha Butt Boogie by the Jimmy Castor Bunch.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (lz5hY)

227
I'd give Joe Biden 50-50 odds on surviving the year. Don't eat the fish, Joe.
Posted by: troyriser

Biden will live forever.
Immortal Joe

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (63Dwl)

228 210 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO)

His actions sure inspire loyalty, don't they.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (N39Ws)

229 DeSantis was wrong. See how easy that is.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM (eOEVl)

Sure. But at the end of the day, there are some institutions (FBI, DoJ, CIA) that are not only completely irredeemable, they also end up corrupting anyone who works there.

While I would have preferred the Supreme Court end Biden's overt fraud, their work on Roe and any number of other issues vindicates President Trump. Indeed, even Reagan had O'Connor, which means Trump wins even on that very demanding comparison.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (FWpta)

230 So you're saying that DeSantis was pretty much a nobody in Congress and his words should be ignored?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S

So you're saying when DeSantis supported Trump decisions that he has to take as much responsibility for the decisions as Trump does?

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (MNhXM)

231 reminiscent of John Kerry's military records. so non-incriminating that only select allies can see them.

in other words, it proves that what the harshest critics say is true.

Posted by: x at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (ZBPE2)

232 The problem with RDS stans isn't that they're retarded, it's that they expect everyone else to buy into it. Nothing doing.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (FWpta)

I really wish you would stop insulting the commenters here just because you hate Ron DeSantis. It is getting old.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (t/2Uw)

233 227
I'd give Joe Biden 50-50 odds on surviving the year. Don't eat the fish, Joe.
Posted by: troyriser

Biden will live forever.
Immortal Joe
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (63Dwl)

Just like McCain's funeral.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (N39Ws)

234 >>Trump nominates the guy and tells his allies to support the nomination, and then attacks people for trusting him.

Keyword being 'Nominate'.

Congressional approval is required. And Trump's Congress was out to kill his Presidency.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (7NAVD)

235 196 Fooled Bush as well, apparently. Or maybe Bush's hands were tied.

>>From 2003 to 2005, Wray served as Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Criminal Division in George W. Bush's administration.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Yeah. NT is Bush family op. GOP oppo to DJT is Bush sourced. The idea of a primary against DJT is a Bush Op.

Challenging DJT is so facially preposterous that anyone doing it is taking Bush Faction money.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (oKXXu)

236 DURING PRIDE MONTH?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (+eWyk)

237 TJM, okay.

The defense of Trump for Wray is stupid. Trump didn't just have one bad hire. He had mostly bad hires. He just doesn't know enough about conservatives to even know who the GOPers are, and who the actual conservatives are. He relies on GOPers like CHRIS CHRISTIE for their advice on who the Good People are.

I've mentioned and mentioned actual good conservatives being blocked from appointment by all the Establishment operators trump filled his transition with.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (KRtlO)

238 Hey, what about those Dodgers? Pretty crazy huh?

Posted by: Bosk at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (VMFAF)

239 >>>So, DeSantis is willing to do as he's told?

Trumper logic at its best.

Trump was incompetent.
DeSantis trusted his choice.

At least *one* of the two seems to have learned from the error.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (UyECW)

240 210 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023

Trump’s attack on Kayleigh was not a good look. I say this as a fence sitter who leaned Trump.

Posted by: Piper at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (ZdaMQ)

241 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO

Wait to we get around to Pompeo not supporting Trump for President.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (MNhXM)

242 182 Could you imagine Pritzker and Christie in 24?

A wafer thin mint, gentlemen?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (t4BDZ)

243 If you believe elections are rigged, DJT v RDS doesn't matter.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (IAwid)

244 Maybe then DeSantis folks should making this about Trump. That would be even easier. Give it a shot.

I never said anything about Trump and his decision to hire Wray. I only noted that it's absurd to blame Grassley for this. It's Trump's mistake, and he was they guy in power. That's how it works.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (eOEVl)

245 Bill Barr.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (to8pj)

246 210 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM

Kellyanne Conway?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 12:50 PM (YlvNQ)

247 108
'Grassley told Trump that it was Wray or nobody.

...according to whom?'

if there is ever a time a conservative gets in power again, they better be able to play 'chicken' over and over again with these assholes and win.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2023 12:50 PM (a1ycR)

248 Trump also trusted Barr. Too bad most people on our side did, too, for long after he should have been. What's worse is the amount of personal insulting shit people who *didn't* like or trust Barr had to take over it. But I guess we'll let that slide.

Only Trump gets fooled by people who drink their water smugly and pwn the libs. Not DePlantis supporters. They would never be fooled by anyone.

And anyway unlike Trump, DePlantis supporters are not the ones nominating anyone for anything important so who cares about their judgment.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:50 PM (Q9yn5)

249 >>>Congressional approval is required. And Trump's Congress was out to kill his Presidency.

well the senate's approval is required, and DeSantis wasn't in the Senate.

Despite the suggestion that DeSantis "voted" for him -- he did not.

Trump's War Room, his official attack account, is claiming DeSantis voted to confirm Wray because all they do is lie, and we're supposed to say "What a great leader, he just doesn't give a shit what he lies about."

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:50 PM (KRtlO)

250 Kennedy went all in on Pro-Ukraine.

The only border that matters apparently.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 01, 2023 12:50 PM (44ww/)

251 Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (oKXX

Thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (MNhXM)

252 237 TJM, okay.

The defense of Trump for Wray is stupid. Trump didn't just have one bad hire. He had mostly bad hires. He just doesn't know enough about conservatives to even know who the GOPers are, and who the actual conservatives are. He relies on GOPers like CHRIS CHRISTIE for their advice on who the Good People are.

I've mentioned and mentioned actual good conservatives being blocked from appointment by all the Establishment operators trump filled his transition with.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (KRtlO)

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Yeah, that's the thing. Trump tried to play the game. He tried to play on the GOPe's turf with the GOPe's rules, and they stabbed him in the back for 4 straight years. It was a bad call, and perhaps a more...Oliver Cromwell approach would have been more prudent.

Except...I don't see DeSantis as another Cromwell either. I see him as another guy who's going to play the game with the set rules. So, maybe DeSantis can get better appointments through...but I doubt it. Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

253 220 To be fair to Trump, are there actually any good choices to be handed unchecked power?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:46 PM (IAwid)

Well many of the people in the less important seats were fine. Carson, Mnuchin, Perry. I think State, DOJ, and Defense are all ones that'll be hard to get anyone good in.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (eYoxG)

254 241 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO

Rhetoric

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (oKXXu)

255 >>>. Trump tried to play the game. He tried to play on the GOPe's turf with the GOPe's rules, and they stabbed him in the back for 4 straight years.

How about "Trump just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing"? Is that a possibility or nah?

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (KRtlO)

256 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM

Ben Carson?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (IAwid)

257 If you believe elections are rigged, DJT v RDS doesn't matter.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (IAwid)

What if you believe elections are rigged but adore arguments and watching people argue?

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (Q9yn5)

258 223 >>DeSantis was wrong. See how easy that is.

Exactly. Wray fooled a lot of people including Bush, DeSantis and Trump and pretty much everyone in Congress.

Maybe then DeSantis folks should making this about Trump. That would be even easier. Give it a shot.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (ZLI7S)
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I'm not so sure about "fooled," but I don't remember any real opposition to Wray's appointment. I don't remember anyone here screaming "no no no, it's a mistake!"

But the better question is who else was in the running that would have been a better pick? Wray turned out to be a disaster, no doubt. But who else would have been better? If you can't answer that, then this whole debate is a big circle jerk at the gay fetish club.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (iFTx/)

259 What Wray is doing is more than Contempt of Congress, its obstruction of justice.

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This. It's obstruction of justice all the way down ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (sJSOG)

260 Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at

Who will come behind Mitch in actuality? Mitch is just a year younger than Methuselah.

Posted by: Piper at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (ZdaMQ)

261 I'm actually a DeSantis voter, ace.

I just think both DeSantis and Trump have major issues and would be minor players in a more serious time. I don't see either as great. I see them both as flawed but with potential for being good presidents, leaning more towards DeSantis.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:47 PM (LvTSG)
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Interesting point. I give PDJT a lot more credit for policy ideas than "a minor player" would get, but he sure as hell is a terrible candidate, since he lost to a demented potato who never left his basement. DeSantis may not have Trump's brilliance and political acumen, but he may be a better candidate. Right now, I have no idea who to vote for, but I agree they are flawed.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (kLb13)

262 It's a hard job obstructing justice and committing treason. I need a vacay. Luckily the G550 is gassed up and ready to go at Andrews. Suckers!

Posted by: Chrissy Wray at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (2D+TA)

263 Challenging DJT is so facially preposterous that anyone doing it is taking Bush Faction money.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM

Not if you assume he'll be arrested and the GOPe will let him him flounder/bar him from running in a Banana Republic move to protect the Uniparty.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (YlvNQ)

264 255 >>>. Trump tried to play the game. He tried to play on the GOPe's turf with the GOPe's rules, and they stabbed him in the back for 4 straight years.

How about "Trump just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing"? Is that a possibility or nah?
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (KRtlO)

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I see parallels between Trump and Grant. Grant expected to lead his party like he led his army, and the party didn't play along. Trump did the same with the mindset of a business man.

I hate to argue that an insider is required to be in government, but if the other insiders are going to be like this, then an insider is necessary. How many insiders can one trust to actually fight the inside in ways that advantage those outside?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (LvTSG)

265 Is the director of the FBI an impeachable position? Because that seems like the proper approach at this point

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (0hOvj)

266 reminiscent of John Kerry's military records. so non-incriminating that only select allies can see them.
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You should see my college records...and my birth certificate.

Posted by: Obama at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (XsjQp)

267 Trump, who committed to himself to an anti-John-Bolton foreign policy, then hires John Bolton as his National Security Advisor, and is SURPRISED to find out his army is playing games with him and refusing to evacuate troops from countries like Syria and Yemen.

And why hire Bolton? Because Trump knew him from watching Fox and thought the hire would ingratiate Trump to the establishment.

It's just one surprise after another.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (KRtlO)

268 Except...I don't see DeSantis as another Cromwell either. I see him as another guy who's going to play the game with the set rules. So, maybe DeSantis can get better appointments through...but I doubt it. Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

———-

I’ve searched and searched and there really isn’t anyone on the horizon. The Deep State has done a great job of controlling opposition.

I think maybe Duncan Hunter Jr. could’ve been man of the hour but as you can see, the Deep State took him out.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (cMXNt)

269 Kayleigh McEnany = no star power and very milky. Very very milky.

So milky.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (Q9yn5)

270 The Chris Christie campaign song. Bertha Butt Boogie by the Jimmy Castor Bunch.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2023

***
"What we're gonna do here is GO BACK . . . WAY BACK . . . BACK INTO TIME . . .

"You take the average caveman, at home . . . listening to his stereo . . .

" 'GOTTA FIND A WOMAN!' "

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (J2vNu)

271 259 What Wray is doing is more than Contempt of Congress, its obstruction of justice.

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This. It's obstruction of justice all the way down ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (sJSOG)

No no no, only normal citizens who refuse to waive their fourth or fifth amendment rights when accosted by street cops can commit obstruction.

Posted by: Two Americas at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (fiChp)

272 Boy howdy! The bass are biting here on Lake Guntersville today. Say hello to Donald for me. - Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (to8pj)

273 260 Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at

Who will come behind Mitch in actuality? Mitch is just a year younger than Methuselah.
Posted by: Piper at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (ZdaMQ)

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Rumor is John Thune.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (LvTSG)

274 I really wish you would stop insulting the commenters here just because you hate Ron DeSantis. It is getting old.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (t/2Uw)

Firstly, I was talking about stans, not fans. The difference is that the former magically forget how the American government and bureaucracy works, on the theoretical and practical level, whenever it's convenient. That's not a knock on other people who have fallen away for Trump for whatever reason, even if I think he's obviously the best choice for the country.

But all of that is academic. I didn't ask for your opinion, and I'm not very likely to take your "well-meaning" advice.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (FWpta)

275 What if you believe elections are rigged but adore arguments and watching people argue?

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (Q9yn5)

Fair point.

You do have your WWE and Jerry Springer fans, I suppose.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (IAwid)

276 It's stupid f'n campaign season, so of course we argue about Trump and DeSantis, who appointed whom, what the other said, blah blah blah.

Instead of the fact that none of that matters, because every high-ranked cop in this government is a lawless, duplicitous spook and anyone you pick will be a stooge for the Party.

So, yeah... our fake-ass political system is once again working on us like a charm.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (oINRc)

277 >>So you're saying when DeSantis supported Trump decisions that he has to take as much responsibility for the decisions as Trump does?

No of course not. I'm saying the childish and idiotic tendency of the DeSantis cult, two can play at this game, pretending that only Trump has made mistakes about personnel when clearly DeSantis made the exact same mistake is tedious.

DC is a swamp full of back stabbing, self-serving creeps. People you thought you could rely on, like say a guy you gave crucial support he needed to win a governors race, sometimes turn right around and stab you in the back. When Wray was appointed he was universally seen as a good guy. He worked for your guy GWB in the DOJ at a senior level and seemed reliable. Obviously, if people knew he was going to go rogue then Trump wouldn't have nominated him and Bush and DeSantis wouldn't have supported the choice.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (ZLI7S)

278 What Wray is doing is more than Contempt of Congress, its obstruction of justice.

Interesting. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know; is this actually covered by OoJ?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (eOEVl)

279 256 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM

Ben Carson?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (IAwid)

Only the guys with issues make the news so no one remembers the rest.

I don't even remember the name of the guy who managed to the get the Consumer Finance Bureau shelved, he was great.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (eYoxG)

280 >>well the senate's approval is required, and DeSantis wasn't in the Senate.

DeSantis has nothing to do with it.

TJM is correct. Trump made the terrible assumption that having Won the Party Nomination and the Presidency (and handing the congress to them) that he would be the Head of the Party.

He wasn't. And he paid for thinking such.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:54 PM (7NAVD)

281 220 To be fair to Trump, are there actually any good choices to be handed unchecked power?

actually an excellent point, Bitter Clinger

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (w0NJk)

282 251 Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:48 PM (oKXX

Thanks for proving my point.
Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (MNhXM)

No thank you for your service.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (oKXXu)

283 Well many of the people in the less important seats were fine. Carson, Mnuchin, Perry. I think State, DOJ, and Defense are all ones that'll be hard to get anyone good in.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 12:51 PM (eYoxG)

How many of those are supporting Trump's run? Carson ? As I posted, Pompeo is not.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (MNhXM)

284 268 I’ve searched and searched and there really isn’t anyone on the horizon. The Deep State has done a great job of controlling opposition.

I think maybe Duncan Hunter Jr. could’ve been man of the hour but as you can see, the Deep State took him out.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (cMXNt)

=========

Robespierre was a small town government worker, and then he was the ruler of France.

Things happen in unpredictable ways.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

285 JackStraw - No offense, but if anyone should be understanding of someone else being slow to recognize the depth of the corruption of the FBI, I think it would be you.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (5C4od)

286
Except...I don't see DeSantis as another Cromwell either. I see him as another guy who's going to play the game with the set rules. So, maybe DeSantis can get better appointments through...but I doubt it. Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I think a lot will depend on what happens with the Senate in 2024. Can you imagine what a DeSantis Presidency would be like if there was a majority in both houses of Congress? Kind of like what he has in Florida right now?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (t/2Uw)

287 How about "Trump just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing"? Is that a possibility or nah?

I suspect he knows better now but maybe? Yet would DeSantis have done any better in that situation? Or is the entire system so damaged and corrupt nobody could work in it for reform?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (0hOvj)

288 email from jim jordan: take out survey...

"As a proud Republican, you have no greater duty to your Party than to help us TAKE BACK the White House in 2024."

Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 01, 2023 12:56 PM (B1FKF)

289 FOOD FIGHT!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- Oppression Scientist and Your AI Interpreter at June 01, 2023 12:56 PM (sJSOG)

290 ...but he sure as hell is a terrible candidate, since he lost to a demented potato who never left his basement. DeSantis may not have Trump's brilliance and political acumen, but he may be a better candidate.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM

Unfortunately, there a non-zero chance we'll get to see your reaction when Joe beats DeSantis under the same circumstances.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 12:56 PM (YlvNQ)

291 286 I think a lot will depend on what happens with the Senate in 2024. Can you imagine what a DeSantis Presidency would be like if there was a majority in both houses of Congress? Kind of like what he has in Florida right now?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (t/2Uw)

=========

The RSCC is going to ensure that if there's a majority, it's a bare majority that can only get serious things done by giving in to the whims of the Senators like Mitt Romney.

The past 20 years have taught me a lot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:56 PM (LvTSG)

292 "Ben Carson?"

Why was a talented brain surgeon selected to a do-nothing sinecure? Seemed like a loss for medicine, a gain for feckless bureaucracy.

Posted by: gp Isn't A Core Piece at June 01, 2023 12:56 PM (MvF+J)

293 Can you imagine what a DeSantis Presidency would be like if there was a majority in both houses of Congress? Kind of like what he has in Florida right now?

Yeah I can. It would be 2017 all over again with congress working to get rid of him and stonewalling him as much as possible.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 12:57 PM (0hOvj)

294 267 Trump, who committed to himself to an anti-John-Bolton foreign policy, then hires John Bolton as his National Security Advisor, and is SURPRISED to find out his army is playing games with him and refusing to evacuate troops from countries like Syria and Yemen.

And why hire Bolton? Because Trump knew him from watching Fox and thought the hire would ingratiate Trump to the establishment.

It's just one surprise after another.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (KRtlO)

I don't think the NSA actually directs the Pentagon's shenanigans.

Also Bolton looked like he was there to make Trump look belligerent for a time. Whether he was actually useful as an advisor is a different matter, but he was helpful for selling the idea that Trump was dangerous.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 12:57 PM (eYoxG)

295 I don't remember anyone here screaming "no no no, it's a mistake!"

-----

I did.

But then, I'd have said that in any case. The system isn't corrupt. Corruption is the system.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 01, 2023 12:57 PM (oINRc)

296 So, about that Lincoln fellow…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 01, 2023 12:57 PM (+ze3w)

297 Robespierre was a small town government worker, and then he was the ruler of France.

Things happen in unpredictable ways.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (LvTSG)
_________

Then he got his head chopped off by the very revolution he helped create. And all in the space of a few years. Unpredictable, yes.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM (iFTx/)

298 Let me just point out that when DeSantis appoints someone, he doesn't have to later fire them for insubordination or denounce them for disloyalty.

Florida's surgeon general took huge attacks from the media for advising most people to NOT get the Trump Jab, for example.

Why is it that DeSantis knows what he's getting when he appoints someone but Trump is always surprised?

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM (KRtlO)

299 >>The RSCC is going to ensure that if there's a majority, it's a bare majority

Failure Theatre is the Longest Running Show in DC.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM (7NAVD)

300 And why hire Bolton? Because Trump knew him from watching Fox and thought the hire would ingratiate Trump to the establishment.

It's just one surprise after another.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (KRtlO)

Ace, do you have information about DJT that is not available to others?

That's a serious question.

It is the only way I can make sense of opposing DJT in a primary.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM (oKXXu)

301 >>>No of course not. I'm saying the childish and idiotic tendency of the DeSantis cult, two can play at this game, pretending that only Trump has made mistakes about personnel when clearly DeSantis made the exact same mistake is tedious.
================

PDJT appointed many terrible nominees, but Wray obviously was the worst of the bunch. DeSantis had literally zero to do with Trump personnel choices.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM (kLb13)

302 285 JackStraw - No offense, but if anyone should be understanding of someone else being slow to recognize the depth of the corruption of the FBI, I think it would be you.
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM

DU still thinks the FBI is a den of Trumper moles undermining democracy....but they're retarded, so maybe that's not a good example.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (YlvNQ)

303 Why is it that DeSantis knows what he's getting when he appoints someone but Trump is always surprised?
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FL GOP is a known commodity?

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (Hudry)

304 Betsy DeVos was a good pick...if you're mentally challenged and drunk.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (to8pj)

305 >> It would be 2017 all over again with congress working to get rid of him and stonewalling him as much as possible.

Nailed it.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (7NAVD)

306 Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 12:52 PM (kLb13)

Sorry, Trump could have gotten 100 million votes... and still would have somehow lost... or maybe he did... This country is being controlled by a few Hedge Fund Managers, some of whom fund Dominion.

It has been proven that in some voting districts, more people voted than live there.

Hell, even Wray was contradicted by his own staff before Congress... when he said they had investigated voting fraud... they said ... uh.. no... we never took any of the allegations as credible enough to even investigate.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (oHd/0)

307 >>>Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.

Make them do it then. Recess appointment who you want. Then make them publicly take the Democrats side. If they can confirm democratrash political noms like Biden's, under the guise of comity that transcends politicization of the nomination process, then make them say NO to actual conservative noms.

Put them in the hot seat where they have to play by their own stated rules.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (UyECW)

308 my main concern about trump in 2016 was that he might turn out to be a typical ny lib leaning republican

my main concerns about desantis are that -1- he might try to run an uplifting positive campaign instead of the take no prisoners campaign that i'd expect trump to run and -2- if he becomes president he might end having nominees recommended by the likes of rove and mcconnell (and mccarthy, if he doesn't lose the house)

Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (B1FKF)

309 Ace wrote: "Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait...."

++++++++++++++++++++

Trump's economic/trade team - Wilbur Ross, Mnuchin, Navarro, Lighthizer, et al - was fantastic.

Posted by: Bamanarama at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (uH1aC)

310 100 Who appointed Wray, again?

It was Trump, following Chris Christie's advice, and with Mitch McConnell's consent!

That's the problem with a real outsider - he had no idea who he can trust. No he knows... nobody!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (OqSlY)

311 307 >>>Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.

Make them do it then. Recess appointment who you want. Then make them publicly take the Democrats side. If they can confirm democratrash political noms like Biden's, under the guise of comity that transcends politicization of the nomination process, then make them say NO to actual conservative noms.

Put them in the hot seat where they have to play by their own stated rules.
Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (UyECW)

========

That doesn't work when Mitch never lets a recess happen, like he did for 4 straight years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (LvTSG)

312 This is gonna be a Loooooong year and a half.....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (bs+z0)

313 >>PDJT appointed many terrible nominees, but Wray obviously was the worst of the bunch. DeSantis had literally zero to do with Trump personnel choices.

Yet somehow he was still able to accomplish more in 3 years than any Republican president in memory, Reagan included.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

314 307 >>>Mitch/Schumer still have very large says in the matter.

Make them do it then. Recess appointment who you want. Then make them publicly take the Democrats side. If they can confirm democratrash political noms like Biden's, under the guise of comity that transcends politicization of the nomination process, then make them say NO to actual conservative noms.

Put them in the hot seat where they have to play by their own stated rules.
Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 12:59 PM (UyECW)

You can't make recess appointments if they don't take a recess.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (eYoxG)

315 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.
Oh wait....

I'm emailing a membership form to the Never Trump team. Welcome aboard!

Posted by: David french at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (a1ycR)

316 227
Biden will live forever.
Immortal Joe

it's all the youthful blood transfusions he and Soros do. I think you can get the medical benefits through osmosis and sniffing hair too.

Posted by: Mealy Mouth at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (0pLZt)

317 Yeah I can. It would be 2017 all over again with congress working to get rid of him and stonewalling him as much as possible.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 12:57 PM (0hOvj)

———

Some people never learn.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (cMXNt)

318 Yeah but yeah but yeah but.... Huh. I got nothing.

I suck at this game.

I'll hop back in when we're back to terrible puns and acidic sarcasm about communist imbeciles.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (9UlRk)

319 it's clear you guys didn't watch The Apprentice when it was on

look. I really like PDJT. I call him that with great respect. I liked him on the show! but a LOT of his decisions there mirror his missteps while in office.

it's his nature - it can be both good (great! even!) and bad

watch the Penn Jillette episode. all will become clear.

ANYWAY - none of this has to do with the Wray/FBI thing. I don't see anything happening out of it. I'm sad to think that. I guess we should yell and stuff and try to push for something to happen tho.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (w0NJk)

320 299 >>The RSCC is going to ensure that if there's a majority, it's a bare majority

Failure Theatre is the Longest Running Show in DC.
Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM (7NAVD)

True that. One only need to look at how McConnell managed the 2022 election.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (N39Ws)

321 And why hire Bolton? Because Trump knew him from watching Fox and thought the hire would ingratiate Trump to the establishment.

It's just one surprise after another.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (KRtlO)

The major problem with screaming about Trump appointments like John Bolton is that it makes Trump's discipline against new wars all the more remarkable. Matti left the SecDef post over it. Could anyone stand up to the neocon pressure? Maybe RDS can, but there's zero evidence of that at the federal level.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (FWpta)

322 It helped to save Whitmer's governorship in Michigan last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:19 PM (LvTSG)

Yeah the one where they set up all the GOP primary entrants with a fake company collecting signatures then right after the deadline declare them invalid so most of the field were tossed off the ballot?
Yeah, that's the one... Amazing the State GOP just couldn't do a thing about it... I mean nothing at all it seems.

Posted by: Inogame at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (53oGX)

323 312 This is gonna be a Loooooong year and a half.....
Posted by: It's me donna at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (bs+z0)

Yep. Line up the booze, hookers and cocaine. We're gonna need 'em.

Posted by: Party like it's 1989 at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (fiChp)

324 Gina Haspel was another great pick...if you're in the latter stages of syphilis and your mind has rotted.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 01:01 PM (to8pj)

325 Wray will claim (if he hasn't already) he would withhold from Congress any similar document containing serious allegations about a Republican POTUS.

I am certain he would do so. Then he would leak the document to the MFM. The FBI and the rest of the DeepState never leak bad info about a Democrat President. Weird, huh?

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (AMIL/)

326 Ace wrote: "Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

I'm really proud of parts of her... I could be prouder if I saw more...

Posted by: Ken Shabby in a Raincoat at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (OEaxJ)

327 If someone can help me understand how Trump or DeSantis can make this election different than 2020, I am all ears. Until then, I am going to keep the love in my heart for all of you no matter who you back. Well, except that guy back in the corner over there. He is a weirdo.

And yep, I am right back on my squishy fence.

Posted by: Piper at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (ZdaMQ)

328 Trump's economic/trade team - Wilbur Ross, Mnuchin, Navarro, Lighthizer, et al - was fantastic.
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Yep. Also, Trump knows all the little shits in Manhattan. Can anyone say WestExec?

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (Hudry)

329 208 Pritzker/christie 2024?

The Prick/Donut ticket...
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 01, 2023 12:44 PM

Is there a super heavyweight division?

Posted by: Inogame at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (53oGX)

330 No matter how bad Trump's picks turned out to be they certainly were better than the woke motley crew Biden's handlers picked

Posted by: It's me donna at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (bs+z0)

331 Mitch McConnell not allowing a single moment of recess prevented Trump from appointing an independent head of the FBI, which could have led to the exposure of DC's big steaming pile of corruption. Or more likely, given the twisted thinking in that town, fear of being blackmailed by Trump.

I wondered why McConnell would be so shady to an R president, but this theory seems to make sense out of it. Not sure about the timing though.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (Lc9Ms)

332 I think part of the problem is that only someone outside of the system isn't corrupted by the system.

But if you get someone from outside the system, the system will use anything and everything to subvert their orders and sabotage them.

I mean that's what happened with Trump.

So let's say you hired that based Sheriff from Wisconsin (Clarke?) and said you seem trustworthy. Well the rest of the FBI is just gonna do what they want and try to set him up if he's honest.

There isn't a whole lotta hope for reforming this mess at this point.

Though I gotta admit, I'd love to see Ron or Rand Paul as Fed Reserve Chairman.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (IAwid)

333 Can you imagine what a DeSantis Presidency would be like if there was a majority in both houses of Congress? Kind of like what he has in Florida right now?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

Yes. It will be exactly what Trump had and they will do the same to him as they did Trump. Even if desantis was a fire breathing cut it to the bone constitutional dragon, the uniparty will not allow anything to change.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (Wy1BU)

334 What is the FBI afraid of if they have done nothing wrong??

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (RIvkX)

335
To sum up. Trump supporters like and trust Trump despite his flaws and questionable decisions. DeSantis supporters like and trust DeSantis because he is promising and seems to be great on some very big issues.

The marks against Trump are his shitty decisions, his mouthy ways, and having been eaten up pretty good by the swamp.

The marks against DeSantis are that he was a card carrying Club Member until he wasn't and it's fair to question the timing.

Seeing as the last time Republicans had a young male firebrand who understood the stakes and was prepared to fight to the end for *us* and then didn't mysteriously turn on us, just happens to be never. But *maybe* this time the career politician Yale Lawyer is for real.

There genuinely is always a chance. And that's where we're at and it's probably not gonna change much.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (uO7tn)

336 It would be 2017 all over again with congress working to get rid of him and stonewalling him as much as possible.

There are two ways to look at the situation: 1) nobody has changed, and the results will be the same, or 2) it's not the same situation, and there are new people, and therefore there's a good chance people have learned, and things will change. I opt for 2).

-2- if he becomes president he might end having nominees recommended by the likes of rove and mcconnell (and mccarthy, if he doesn't lose the house)

Case in point. I think there's zero chance that D will listen to the Macs. He knows who and what they are, and he knows that governing like they want him to would be a political death sentence.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (eOEVl)

337 Ace, do you have information about DJT that is not available to others?
That's a serious question.
It is the only way I can make sense of opposing DJT in a primary.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 12:58 PM

That's not needed...you can easily make the case that Trump already lost once, his star is fading, and DeSantis has proven himself to be the better, and more effective, conservative warrior.

I'm not convinced, for a number of reasons, and Trump getting the GOP nomination will make the GOPe leaders sad, so that's where I'm leaning, but DeSantis is still on the acceptable list for now.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (YlvNQ)

338 Yet somehow he was still able to accomplish more in 3 years than any Republican president in memory, Reagan included.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)
======================
No doubt he is a brilliant policy guy and accomplished a shocking amount, especially given the war being waged on him 7x24. But, the point remains: PDJT picked Wray and DeSantis had zero to do with it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (kLb13)

339 But Comer was left unsatisfied, and has said he will proceed with holding Wray in contempt if he does not hand over the document to the full committee.
***

Oh, that's scaaaaaary stuff, kids! Scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaary! Ahhhhhhhhh-oooooooooooooh!

Posted by: Count Floyd at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (FQWHA)

340 Questions: The Capitol police work for McCarthy, right? They have law enforcement powers? How broad is their authority? Just on Capitol grounds or beyond? Can they be ordered to go arrest Wray at the FBI building, as he gets into his personal taxi (aircraft), home?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (N39Ws)

341 332 I think part of the problem is that only someone outside of the system isn't corrupted by the system.

But if you get someone from outside the system, the system will use anything and everything to subvert their orders and sabotage them.

I mean that's what happened with Trump.

So let's say you hired that based Sheriff from Wisconsin (Clarke?) and said you seem trustworthy. Well the rest of the FBI is just gonna do what they want and try to set him up if he's honest.

There isn't a whole lotta hope for reforming this mess at this point.

Though I gotta admit, I'd love to see Ron or Rand Paul as Fed Reserve Chairman.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (IAwid)

Which is why legislatively abolishing most of the institutions is necessary.

But replacing the legislature would take decades optimistically.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (eYoxG)

342 How about "Trump just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing"? Is that a possibility or nah?
Posted by: ace at Jun

/////////

with his recent attack on Kaleigh M, sure?

Someone above said it was Chris Christie that pushed Wray.

well, look, if even your nominally most loyal goombah from the tristate area are this dumb, then what can you do?

Trump knew from day one that his phones were tapped in trump tower and then, mysteriously, his ride or die guy Flynn gets busted on a bullshit "we lost the 302" lying to the FBI charge.

he shoulda been wise. (cue scene from Hudsucker Proxy)

Posted by: sockamster, gator at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (MLrvz)

343 So, we're all over the place, as usual.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (AwYPR)

344 "DU still thinks the FBI is a den of Trumper moles undermining democracy....but they're retarded, so maybe that's not a good example."

If only!!!!

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (5C4od)

345 327 If someone can help me understand how Trump or DeSantis can make this election different than 2020, I am all ears. Until then, I am going to keep the love in my heart for all of you no matter who you back. Well, except that guy back in the corner over there. He is a weirdo.

And yep, I am right back on my squishy fence.
Posted by: Piper at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (ZdaMQ)

DJT will likely get more than his last 71mil votes.

Ron will get some sig smaller portion of that. Significantly. Prob massively.

I can not come up with a reason to go with the guy who will get fewer votes.

This is where we are sadly.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (oKXXu)

346 Trump only had one hire he can be really proud of -- Kayleigh McEnany.

Oh wait....
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 12:45 PM (KRtlO)
******
I'm still angry about this.

All Kayleigh does is say nice things about Trump and DeSantis only a daily basis.
She is a wonderful person and I admire her.

Trump expects complete loyalty, but is quick to trash anyone for the stupidest reasons.

He trashed her when she quoted some poll numbers because Trump wasn't 100 points ahead.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (NpAcC)

347 343 So, we're all over the place, as usual.
Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (AwYPR)

=========

I'm pretty sure we're all on the same side regarding the benefits Pinochet brought to Chile.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (LvTSG)

348 Case in point. I think there's zero chance that D will listen to the Macs. He knows who and what they are, and he knows that governing like they want him to would be a political death sentence.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (eOEVl)

So DeSantis is just going to let the bureaucracy run itself with non-appointed officials?

Because that is literally the President's alternative to having the Senate filter his candidates.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (eYoxG)

349 The one 'employee' that I can't give an excuse to Trump for is Fauci.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (MNhXM)

350 Somehow people keep missing that a LOT of people were fooled by the string of phony conservative Republicans and fighters. Not just Trump.

And now we're being asked to trust another conservative Republican fighter. It's kind of funny in an ironic and depressing way.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (uO7tn)

351 But replacing the legislature would take decades optimistically.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:04 PM (eYoxG)

The people there now spent an entire century getting to where they are.

A couple hot draft prospects ain't changing shit.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (9UlRk)

352 Restoration means Restoration. The way to scare your enemies is to rub their nose in their own shit. Only Trump can do this.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (Hudry)

353
Trump's economic/trade team - Wilbur Ross, Mnuchin, Navarro, Lighthizer, et al - was fantastic.
Posted by: Bamanarama at June 01, 2023 01:00 PM (uH1aC)

———-

I figure there are maybe 100 people in the country with the knowledge and drive to do what is right.

Look at Sessions, ACE had a photoshop of him as a gladiator at one point and at the first opportunity he pusses out. Nobody on the Right would’ve ever thought Sessions was a bad pick.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (cMXNt)

354 I am going to keep the love in my heart for all of you no matter who you back. Well, except that guy back in the corner over there.

What? It's a nice corner!
*pats walls*

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:06 PM (eOEVl)

355 Trump should place some ads in Indeed or ZipRecruiter.
WFBJr and random entries from a phonebook, something, something.

Trump was/is always looking for someone, anyone to make the legitimate effort to play America First. Not one of the recurring names of DC exhibits that. Also, the wins have to come from primaries.

And back to unequal, DACA was an EO from SCOAMF remember. But, when Trump EO'd the EO the Hawaiian judge was all over it like banging on the bongos like a chim-panzee!

Posted by: micky at June 01, 2023 01:06 PM (3byMq)

356 So let's say you hired that based Sheriff from Wisconsin (Clarke?) and said you seem trustworthy. Well the rest of the FBI is just gonna do what they want and try to set him up if he's honest.

There isn't a whole lotta hope for reforming this mess at this point.

Though I gotta admit, I'd love to see Ron or Rand Paul as Fed Reserve Chairman.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 01:02 PM (IAwid)

Which is why they had to destroy Gen Flynn BEFORE he took over as Nat Security Advisor. He was an insider who knew where the bodies were buried, but also a reformer.

So... the Deep State set him up, got Pence onboard, and nailed him.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 01:06 PM (oHd/0)

357 How about "Trump just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing"? Is that a possibility or nah?
Posted by: ace at Jun

That's not a possibility. No. It is a non-sensical statement.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:06 PM (oKXXu)

358 I'm pretty sure we're all on the same side regarding the benefits Pinochet brought to Chile.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (LvTSG)

Yeah, he got stuff done.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2023 01:06 PM (AwYPR)

359 Trump's nomination of Chuck Canterbury as ATFE head was all I needed to know about Due Process Donny.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 01:07 PM (to8pj)

360 If you believe elections are rigged, DJT v RDS doesn't matter.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 01, 2023 12:49 PM (IAwid)

**fistbump**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 01:08 PM (AW0uW)

361 Let me just point out that when DeSantis appoints someone, he doesn't have to later fire them for insubordination or denounce them for disloyalty.

This is a fair point, Trump's second biggest flaw is his terrible choices for subordinates, taking terrible advice. He just picked a 90% pack of losers and aholes. He did have some good picks, but not nearly enough. DeSantis seems to have better judgement, or luck, and I'd take either.

Again, this is theoretical discussion, a fantasy land where we talk about possibilities, not reality. In reality, it doesn't matter who wins the GOP primary.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:08 PM (0hOvj)

362 Say, where's that 'worse than Watergate' guy when you need him? If this situation was happening in the Trump administration, the media would be all over this like stink on a turd, 24/7.

Posted by: profligatewaste at June 01, 2023 01:08 PM (Be3jb)

363 I’m 100% in the Trump Train but if I ever had a question to ask him is what is he going to do to not make shitty appointments again.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 01:08 PM (cMXNt)

364 That's not needed...you can easily make the case that Trump already lost once, his star is fading, and DeSantis has proven himself to be the better, and more effective, conservative warrior.

I'm not convinced, for a number of reasons, and Trump getting the GOP nomination will make the GOPe leaders sad, so that's where I'm leaning, but DeSantis is still on the acceptable list for now.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (YlvNQ)

DJT got +71mil votes. How many will DeSantis get?

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (oKXXu)

365 ??No doubt he is a brilliant policy guy and accomplished a shocking amount, especially given the war being waged on him 7x24. But, the point remains: PDJT picked Wray and DeSantis had zero to do with it.

Never said he did. I simply pointed out that at the time Trump nominated Wray DeSantis also thought he was a great choice. Lots of people did. That is indisputable. But Trump owns the actual appointment because he is the guy who won the presidency. Twice actually.

One small thing that often gets overlooked when discussing Trump's appointments is that at the time almost nobody would even consider working for him. He was an accused Russian spy under investigation by a special counsel and he was vilified 7 x 24 by the left, the media and a good number of people in his own party. Hopefully, he has learned the game a little better and will have better appointments if he wins again.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (ZLI7S)

366 We need two SMOD events. One in DC, one in Davos. CMM at a table in the park.

Posted by: micky at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (3byMq)

367 So DeSantis is just going to let the bureaucracy run itself with non-appointed officials?

Because that is literally the President's alternative to having the Senate filter his candidates.

Nope. As I said in 2), I think things have fundamentally changed, and will change even more by election day '24, especially if RDS wins. People want to be on the winning team.

Well, unless they're McConnell or McDaniel.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (eOEVl)

368 I remember Wray the Weasel at his infamous Congressional hearing where he was asked to stay another 21 minutes and he said "I have to high tail it out of here to catch a plane". When Grassley reminded him that the plane in question was the FBI's private jet and that it could wait for him? Wray gave his usual smug smile. As others have noted, he was on his way to his favorite vacation spot not FBI business. Of course he was.

On the FBI's Jet:

The Gulfstream jet, though initially intended for counterterrorism use, has been controversially used by both Wray and his predecessor James Comey for personal travel, according to the report. The director must reimburse the cost of just a coach class airline fare when the plane is used for personal trips, despite it costing several thousand dollars per hour to operate the Gulfstream, the paper reported.

Posted by: Cheri at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (oiNtH)

369 364 DJT got +71mil votes. How many will DeSantis get?
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (oKXXu)

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Probably enough to win in a clean election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (LvTSG)

370 In any case, it is obvious that the FBI is just going to stonewall congress until this goes away, and congress doesn't have the votes or spine to do what has to be done to rein in the FBI.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (0hOvj)

371 Case in point. I think there's zero chance that D will listen to the Macs. He knows who and what they are, and he knows that governing like they want him to would be a political death sentence.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:03 PM (eOEVl)

That's quite the claim. In an evenly divided Senate, it's also not very likely. McConnell can effortlessly inform RDS that his nominees are going to lose their votes, and embarrassingly so. What's he going to do, get Democrat votes?

Now, if the Senators are going to be set on fire, no exceptions, that's the kind of policy that could get me on the RDS team. But, spoiler warning, it's not going to happen. RDS can't get 1000 people to a "megachurch," much less run a revolution.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (FWpta)

372 I've personally had enough Jared and Ivanka.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (AwYPR)

373 349 The one 'employee' that I can't give an excuse to Trump for is Fauci.
Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:05 PM (MNhXM)

PDT didn't appoint the cocksucker but he definitely should have gotten rid of him.

Posted by: Fauci's been a tick on the bureaucracy's ass for at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (fiChp)

374 If Comer/McCarthy truly have a bombshell there is value in going Laconic in demands and actions at this point. Blindside is no longer a play as they went public. If they actually have something, have intentions of doing something (besides failing), may as well get organized and leak it. But again, I doubt their end game is to put Wray or anyone else in the blender. Perhaps I'm miscalculating, but historically the GOP has been crap at playing the long game. Or as the saying goes, "You're either incapable, unwilling, or both."

Posted by: scampydog at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (2bFN5)

375 Probably enough to win in a clean election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (LvTSG)

Fair point. How many though? A rough guess?

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (oKXXu)

376 >>Probably enough to win in a clean election.

Sweet.

Where do they hold those?

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (7NAVD)

377 I’m 100% in the Trump Train but if I ever had a question to ask him is what is he going to do to not make shitty appointments again.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 01:08 PM (cMXNt)
*******
Maybe there are still tickets available for Trump's town hall with Hannity tonight.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (NpAcC)

378 Maybe we need our own Biden. Someone who's been in DC for 50 years and will do whatever he's told because he's 15 mins from death's sweet embrace.

(It's an analogy, Bob)

Posted by: MJ at June 01, 2023 01:11 PM (zwDuR)

379 Aw crap, Kevin Luntz McCarthy couldn't have at least taken Wray's private jet privileges away?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 01, 2023 01:11 PM (Lc9Ms)

380 I only give a shit in so far as i hope it's DeSantis because overtly stealing the election from the same guy twice in a row will just elicit yawns from the lumpenproletariat. Maybe, possibly, some how, the slackjawed mouthbreathing masses will notice if they do it to two different guys in a row.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (9UlRk)

381 Not sure it matters who we choose... I don't see Us winning....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (bs+z0)

382 375 Probably enough to win in a clean election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (LvTSG)

Fair point. How many though? A rough guess?
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (oKXXu)

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I dunno. 66 million? Lose about 5 million on net from working class non-Republican voters who only voted for Trump against the gain from some small number of upper class GOP voters who had been turned off by Trump's style.

But then the question becomes how many does Joe Biden win in a clean election?

Which then leads to the question of why are we talking about fairy land?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (LvTSG)

383 Wray just needs to arrest Comer, Grassley, the whistleblowers and all other opponents of the junta.

GITMO has room for hundreds. Stop monkeying around. Wray looks weak, feckless.

Posted by: torabora at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (OUiUM)

384 noticed at zero hedge:

"As if Target didn't have enough headaches on its plate with a nationwide boycotting campaign targeting the grooming-friendly retailer sending its sales tumbling after it too was Budlighted, one can also add a JPM downgrade (from Overweight to Neutral) and price target cut (from $182 to $144) into the mix."

also for some reason dollar general stock was down like 20 percent this morning

Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (B1FKF)

385 >>>I'm emailing a membership form

You know what surprises me about Trump supporters. The fact that they think he's ***owed*** the nomination after his relatively poor handling of COVID bowing to autocrats, losing his reelection bid due to his own incompetence of managing Democrat cheating, and the follow on of walking headlong into a democrat political trap on Jan 6.

He certainly merits challengers based on his records and he needs to demonstrate.

1. He can make quality nominations to positions other than SCOTUS. (I'll give him all the credit in the world for his SC noms and if he's nominated will gleefully vote for him again just for that)
2. He can manage Democrat cheating such that he can plausibly win.
3. He is ready to challenge the administrative autocracy of the US which is an existential crisis pushing us toward civil war.

If he wants my support in the primary. As of yet I don't see any of the three being met.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (UyECW)

386 DJT will likely get more than his last 71mil votes. Ron will get some sig smaller portion of that. Significantly. Prob massively.

Very much so. Especially depending on how DeSantis "beats" Trump. If Trump is indicted, incarcerated, or barred from the primaries...many of his supporters will sit out. I think they'd support DeSantis in 2028 if he didn't run this year, but would be skeptical otherwise.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 01:13 PM (YlvNQ)

387 375 Probably enough to win in a clean election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (LvTSG)

Fair point. How many though? A rough guess?
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:10 PM (oKXXu)

If you assume he doesn't get strong Democrat crossover and he doesn't get the people Trump made politically active, he'd probably be at 65m votes. Getting everybody Trump got + a little population growth puts you at 75m.

So somewhere in between those numbers unless he's somehow pulling in another group, my guess would be 65 to 70m.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:13 PM (eYoxG)

388 I see parallels between Trump and Grant. Grant expected to lead his party like he led his army, and the party didn't play along. Trump did the same with the mindset of a business man.

I hate to argue that an insider is required to be in government, but if the other insiders are going to be like this, then an insider is necessary. How many insiders can one trust to actually fight the inside in ways that advantage those outside?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 12:53 PM (LvTSG)

End of the day this means the GOP needs to follow the whigs. Because if what you say is true there will be no possibility of reform, at least not until all is lost.
There must be a new party with new players.

Posted by: Inogame at June 01, 2023 01:13 PM (53oGX)

389 Wikipedia, in part: A program of warrantless wiretapping under the Terrorist Surveillance Program, ruled unconstitutional by the DOJ, was renewed by the White House. Mueller and Comey then threatened to resign. March 2004, after private, individual meetings with Mueller and Comey at the White House, the president supported changing the program to satisfy the concerns of Mueller, AG Ashcroft, and Comey.

In 2013, it was revealed that Wray was one of the senior Justice Dept officials who nearly resigned in 2004, alongside then FBI Director Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General James Comey, due to illegal surveillance techniques the Bush administration had put in place under the Terrorist Surveillance Program.

Yeah, right.
—
And, CNN, Jul 2014, CIA Director John Brennan apologized to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday and admitted the agency spied on computers used by its staffers who prepared an investigation of the controversial post 9/11 CIA interrogation and detention program.

Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra & Jade, too. at June 01, 2023 01:13 PM (GshMh)

390 Rock-ribbed conservative with his sleeves rolled up Jim Jordan voted for the debt enfuckening. Trump should consider him as the the next AG.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 01:13 PM (to8pj)

391
There are two ways to look at the situation: 1) nobody has changed, and the results will be the same, or 2) it's not the same situation, and there are new people, and therefore there's a good chance people have learned, and things will change. I opt for 2).

Yes, Archimedes. You and I and I think Ace are on the same page on this. This is hte optimists point of view.
The pessimist point of view is that no matter what happens nothing will change. Okay, why not try something different then? You know the last time didn't work. You are just guessing that the new way won;t work. Why not try it out and see? If nothing changes, well you win. But if the optimist's point of view wins and their is success! we all win.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (t/2Uw)

392 >>>Ace, do you have information about DJT that is not available to others?

No, not really, except for the kind of general rumors that you probably hear. As I know a lot of actual conservative politicos, I have heard the stories of conservatives being blocked from appointment because Ivanka promised a job to a liberal NYC socialite friend.

I've mentioned before that Bret Decker, who literally wrote The Conservative Case for Trump (cowritten with Phyllis Schaffly and someone else), was told that his open support for Trump would *count against him* in his application. He had served in State in previous administrations, but now wasn't qualified, because he supported Trump.

Though that period people were screaming that Trump's minions were screening out all actual Trump supporters to fill the bureaucracy with NeverTrumpers, GOPers, and neocons, but I guess word never reached Trump. I guess Hannity never told him.

Or who knows, maybe he intended this, maybe this was him making peace with the GOPe.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (KRtlO)

393 Hopefully, he has learned the game a little better and will have better appointments if he wins again.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (ZLI7S)

I'm not so sure that's true. Assuming that the economy doesn't collapse and that DJT doesn't kick things off with a Pinochet purge, the Senators have no reason or desire to put truly incorruptible people in positions overseeing the security state. These are not reformable institutions: they must be burned, root and branch.

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (FWpta)

394 In an evenly divided Senate, it's also not very likely. McConnell can effortlessly inform RDS that his nominees are going to lose their votes, and embarrassingly so. What's he going to do, get Democrat votes?

I'd send him whomever I preferred, and if McConnell doesn't pass him, find another person I prefer. Keep doing it until either McConnell passes the nom, or the rest of the Senators get rid of McConnell out of sheer embarrassment. Either is acceptable.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (eOEVl)

395 On the FBI's Jet:
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I'm pretty sure most senior govt officials travel by motorcade, private jet, etc.

The under secretary to the director of the liaison to the interim head of agriculture, gets perks worth millions of dollars a year.

Posted by: MJ at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (zwDuR)

396 Nope. As I said in 2), I think things have fundamentally changed, and will change even more by election day '24, especially if RDS wins. People want to be on the winning team.

Well, unless they're McConnell or McDaniel.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:09 PM (eOEVl)

With McDaniel at the helm we have zero chance of winning anything. She hasn't done a single thing to address any election issues.

Nothing, zip, nada.

Posted by: Just Lily at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (vivhj)

397
Democrats used to tell us the coverup was worse than the crime and that people like Mark Felt were national heroes.

Posted by: Auspex at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (j4U/Z)

398 but Wray will lie about it.

All they do is lie.

But they are Top Men. Top. Men.

Is that allowed?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (a3Q+t)

399 >>>So DeSantis is just going to let the bureaucracy run itself with non-appointed officials?

Because that is literally the President's alternative to having the Senate filter his candidates.

Two word. Recess appointments.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (UyECW)

400 Say, where's that 'worse than Watergate' guy when you need him?

Yeah, its a depressing game but you can easily imagine what the news coverage would be like were the parties reversed in this tragedy.

also for some reason dollar general stock was down like 20 percent this morning

That's... odd. What do they know that we don't? All those dollar stores are still thriving around here.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (0hOvj)

401 Jennifer or Bailey?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (+ze3w)

402 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyxnlyl_yR0 That's me with the "Chris Christie - Too Big to Fail" sign!

Posted by: Freddy from Lake Frederick at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (WlIXW)

403 2. He can manage Democrat cheating such that he can plausibly win.

Every candidate should be made to explicitly answer how they will pre-empt Democrat cheating. That's a litmus test for me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (a1ycR)

404 399 Two word. Recess appointments.
Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (UyECW)

========

The Senate never went in recess under Trump.

For a reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (LvTSG)

405 If he wants my support in the primary. As of yet I don't see any of the three being met.
Posted by: mikethemoose
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Great point Mr. Moose.

I liked to be wooed by the potential suitors for my vote. I will coyly make motions with my fan to show interest.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (Lc9Ms)

406 ZH has a "fun story" - the Mexican cartels have men armed with what appear to be AT-4s near the US border.

And yes, those are among the weapons we sent to Ukraine.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (lc5cP)

407 Which then leads to the question of why are we talking about fairy land?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (LvTSG)

Because it isn't fairyland and there will be a rigged election to overcome.

We don't know, but I think 66mil is a massive understatement. He will lose the majority if MAGA voters. I think rightly, but others think wrongly. Still it is the truth.

Choosing a candidate who will get fewer votes is absurd to me.

It makes no sense.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (oKXXu)

408 "As if Target didn't have enough headaches on its plate with a nationwide boycotting campaign targeting the grooming-friendly retailer sending its sales tumbling after it too was Budlighted, one can also add a JPM downgrade (from Overweight to Neutral) and price target cut (from $182 to $144) into the mix."

also for some reason dollar general stock was down like 20 percent this morning
Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (B1FKF)

Number ONE song on Apple play Rap? Song about boycotting Target.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (oHd/0)

409 399 >>>So DeSantis is just going to let the bureaucracy run itself with non-appointed officials?

Because that is literally the President's alternative to having the Senate filter his candidates.

Two word. Recess appointments.
Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:15 PM (UyECW)

*McConnell laughs in never taking a recess during the Presidential administration.*

Because that literally happened.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (eYoxG)

410 RonnieD has the Bush stank all over him. And KR with his whiteboard and full set of unused Expo markers with eraser is the parsley atop the turd.

Ride or die with Trump, I am.

Posted by: micky at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (3byMq)

411 385 You know what surprises me about Trump supporters. The fact that they think he's ***owed*** the nomination...If he wants my support in the primary. As of yet I don't see any of the three being met.
Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM

He's not owed the nomination, but he'll quickly mop the floor with everyone assuming no shenanigans. And if he does, many GOP voters will bitch and moan and sit out, which is their right...but they'll be butthurt when Trump supporters, if he loses, do the same to them.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (YlvNQ)

412 Two word. Recess appointments.

"What recess?"
--Congress during the Trump administration

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (0hOvj)

413 sharon I'm on your guys' side too!

I can't help but be optimistic - change is always inevitable - u can't go home again - that sort of thing lol

best not to repeat mistakes

try new mistakes instead!

I'm kidding trying to keep it light. things ARE changing out there btw. I don't have many political connections but I do have some. and to me it's heartening to hear them saying VERY NEW THINGS because they are Dems

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (w0NJk)

414 >>I see parallels between Trump and Grant. Grant expected to lead his party like he led his army, and the party didn't play along. Trump did the same with the mindset of a business man.

How about the guy Grant worked for? How many generals did he fire before he got to Grant?

What Lincoln is remembered for is winning not his personnel choices.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (ZLI7S)

415 I think a lot will depend on what happens with the Senate in 2024. Can you imagine what a DeSantis Presidency would be like if there was a majority in both houses of Congress? Kind of like what he has in Florida right now?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 12:55 PM (t/2U

I can.. it'll be failure theater. Just like it always is.

Posted by: Inogame at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (53oGX)

416 407 Choosing a candidate who will get fewer votes is absurd to me.

It makes no sense.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (oKXXu)

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Because neither candidate will overcome the cheat that can manufacture however many votes are necessary for Democrats to win the night of and weeks after counting.

So, I'm left with, "I think DeSantis would be a better president overall, despite Nickelback."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (LvTSG)

417 The Senate never went in recess under Trump.

For a reason.

_____

See #331 for my guess.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (Lc9Ms)

418 >>Or who knows, maybe he intended this, maybe this was him making peace with the GOPe.

My assumption is that it was put to him as a give/take scenario and McConnel and Ryan Crawfished on the deal.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (7NAVD)

419 Jennifer or Bailey?

I say we compromise and have both in my hot tub

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (0hOvj)

420 Target will lose 5 percent of sales jut because of my personal boycott lol

it hasn't been as hard as I thought it would be!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (w0NJk)

421 Because neither candidate will overcome the cheat that can manufacture however many votes are necessary for Democrats to win the night of and weeks after counting.

So, I'm left with, "I think DeSantis would be a better president overall, despite Nickelback."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (LvTSG)

The angle I like for Trump on this is that we know he'll loudly decry the fraud. Delegitimizing the institutions is the best you can do in this kind of situation.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:18 PM (eYoxG)

422 So, I'm left with, "I think DeSantis would be a better president overall, despite Nickelback."

Same. He's got better political executive experience and seems to better know how to handle the office than Trump.

I just don't like dumb and fake attacks on Trump or blind support of any candidate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:19 PM (0hOvj)

423 I can.. it'll be failure theater. Just like it always is.

Posted by: Inogame

It's hard to argue with that kind of logic.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:19 PM (eOEVl)

424 'Trump should consider him as the the next AG.'

Are the Never Trump people just simps for the left?

Posted by: Yes, they are. at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (a1ycR)

425 421 The angle I like for Trump on this is that we know he'll loudly decry the fraud. Delegitimizing the institutions is the best you can do in this kind of situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:18 PM (eYoxG)

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Meh. After 2020, anyone who thinks the elections are legit aren't going to be convinced by messaging.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

426 Bailey.

I couldn't afford to keep Jennifer in Hairspray and Makeup.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (7NAVD)

427 Let's assume some thuggish, black-robed political hack orders the FBI and it refuses to comply. What then? We are about to get confirmation that the national security state runs the show and the FBI works for it. It will be clarifying.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (dybcd)

428 VOTE FOR RAMASWAMMY!!!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (Wy1BU)

429 422 Same. He's got better political executive experience and seems to better know how to handle the office than Trump.

I just don't like dumb and fake attacks on Trump or blind support of any candidate.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:19 PM (0hOvj)

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We've never been closer...

Now...buy my book, alternate me!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

430 Or who knows, maybe he intended this, maybe this was him making peace with the GOPe.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (KRtlO)

Thanks. Appreciate the reply. I'm being honest when I say I can't understand oppo to DJT. I just can not make sense of it. There is sense there, I just can't figure it out.

I stipulate all the criticisms of DJT as well. Well... almost all.

And the math just doesn't work for me.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (oKXXu)

431 14
Sources and Methods.
Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 12:16 PM (7NAVD)
........

Ham and eggs.

Posted by: wth at June 01, 2023 01:21 PM (v0R5T)

432 Can't wait for Joey doing the signing with bigK right there squeeing about his savior status at preserving muh democracy.

A trillion here a trillion there pretty soon calculators will be calling for no mas, er math.

Posted by: micky at June 01, 2023 01:21 PM (3byMq)

433 Ramasalami?

Posted by: wth at June 01, 2023 01:21 PM (v0R5T)

434 You know who would be a great nomination for SOS in the next Trump admin? Elise Stefanik who not only is fully supported by Trump, is a member of the WEF and also voted for the debt enfuckening.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 01, 2023 01:21 PM (to8pj)

435 What Lincoln is remembered for is winning not his personnel choices.
Posted by: JackStraw at

Actually he's more remembered for that hole in his head than for anything else.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (Wy1BU)

436 425 421 The angle I like for Trump on this is that we know he'll loudly decry the fraud. Delegitimizing the institutions is the best you can do in this kind of situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:18 PM (eYoxG)

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Meh. After 2020, anyone who thinks the elections are legit aren't going to be convinced by messaging.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

That's possible. Knowing the elections are fraudulent sure hasn't saved Venezuela.

But I still think messaging as loud and hard on it as possible is better than nothing.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (eYoxG)

437 How about the guy Grant worked for? How many generals did he fire before he got to Grant?

What Lincoln is remembered for is winning not his personnel choices.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (ZLI7S)

There is some historic evidence that says it was Lincoln's 'Cabinet of Rivals' that actually kicked off the shooting phase of the Civil War.

There was peace in place for months after the succession... then, against agreements that had been made, an order was sent to reinforce Ft. Sumpter.

Both sides were caught by surprise when the war actually kicked off.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (oHd/0)

438 it hasn't been as hard as I thought it would be!

They have nice enough stuff all in one shop but they're hardly the only place like that.

I think we're all better off shopping at local options instead of the big box stores, where possible. More expensive, but better for your soul.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (0hOvj)

439 So, I'm left with, "I think DeSantis would be a better president overall, despite Nickelback."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM

You're compromising your principles so soon?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (a3Q+t)

440 I need to redact my comments for artistic reasons.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (L2zfd)

441 439 So, I'm left with, "I think DeSantis would be a better president overall, despite Nickelback."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM

You're compromising your principles so soon?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (a3Q+t)

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I am a disappointment to you all, for sure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:23 PM (LvTSG)

442 428 VOTE FOR RAMASWAMMY!!!
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 01, 2023 01:20 PM

Oh shit, I didn't know he was running! Senate seat or something? I used to get Big Gulps and Slushies from his 7-11 as a kid...word as a Biden.

Posted by: Demented, racist President Joe Biden at June 01, 2023 01:23 PM (YlvNQ)

443 There is some historic evidence that says it was Lincoln's 'Cabinet of Rivals' that actually kicked off the shooting phase of the Civil War.
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Yep. Can you say Seward?

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 01, 2023 01:23 PM (Hudry)

444 Fat, useless police officer Erika Urrea waddles to help a wheelchair bound man stuck on train tracks with a train bearing down on him. Officer Urrea pulls the man out of the chair, but is too weak to drag him away from the tracks. It appears the man's legs are run over by the train.

https://youtu.be/rOV4j5n_TRU

Posted by: bonhomme at June 01, 2023 01:23 PM (KRe1G)

445 I couldn't afford to keep Jennifer in Hairspray and Makeup.

Not to mention the silicone bill.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 01:23 PM (AW0uW)

446 Sources and methods

Ham and eggs

French toast and maple syrup

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 01, 2023 01:23 PM (+ze3w)

447 I think we're all better off shopping at local options instead of the big box stores, where possible. More expensive, but better for your soul.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (0hOvj)

If only that worked for politicians....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (9UlRk)

448 Who put Christopher Wray in charge of the FBI again? Oh that's right, Trump.

Posted by: Kukui at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (uMFis)

449 Now...buy my book, alternate me!

Let's make a deal, I buy your book and you buy one of MPPP's Theda Bara mysteries!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (0hOvj)

450 I think we're all better off shopping at local options instead of the big box stores, where possible. More expensive, but better for your soul.

agree and honestly June is a great month to really cut back on non-essential spending.

I have this weird thing I call "non-shopping" where I go to like, Pottery Barn, and I pick out all this stuff and then I stop before the register and go through it all, thinking it over. then I put most (or all) of it back.

there's nothing to me like that feeling of lightness when I walk out of the store after that! I didn't need to buy any of that, and I didn't, and it feels terrific.

probably that's just a me thing tho.

so I'm not even boycotting I'm just non-shopping all month lol

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (w0NJk)

451
Or who knows, maybe he intended this, maybe this was him making peace with the GOPe.
Posted by: ace at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (KRtlO)

Certainly efforts were made towards peace with the GOP, Chao didn't get her position for her strong historical support of Trump.

In practical terms I think the main thing that Trump might be able to drop in exchange for GOP support is his earmarks and lobbying bans, he's even been calling for term limits lately. If some grift gets the GOPe on board, well the savings by cutting it isn't worth the opportunity cost.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (eYoxG)

452 30% of Republican voters will stay home if DeMeatball wins the nom if Trump is a viable candidate. Numbers will be Mondale or McGovernish. Nevertrumpers are just being silly, ace included.

Posted by: Reality Is Not Pretty at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (ERPgF)

453 What Lincoln is remembered for is winning not his personnel choices.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:17 PM (ZLI7S)

Wish he would have fired Fauci. That's what I will remember.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:25 PM (MNhXM)

454 I couldn't afford to keep Jennifer in Hairspray and Makeup.

Yeah but Bailey would bankrupt you in Macrame, patchoulli, and books

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:25 PM (0hOvj)

455 1. He can make quality nominations to positions other than SCOTUS. (I'll give him all the credit in the world for his SC noms and if he's nominated will gleefully vote for him again just for that)
2. He can manage Democrat cheating such that he can plausibly win.
3. He is ready to challenge the administrative autocracy of the US which is an existential crisis pushing us toward civil war.

If he wants my support in the primary. As of yet I don't see any of the three being met.
Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:12 PM (UyECW)

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1) he did make quality nominations, but also bad nominations. How much McConnell played in this, I don’t know.

2) I’m not sure any Repub can do anything without being arrested. It’s that bad. Trump is making noises about ballot harvesting. Does DeSantis have some plan?

3) Trump had the EO lined up at the end of his first term to reform the civil service such that anyone civil servant in a policy making position can be fired by the President.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 01, 2023 01:25 PM (cMXNt)

456 445 Actually, I think Loni had breast reduction before she played that role.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 01, 2023 01:25 PM (+ze3w)

457 449 Now...buy my book, alternate me!

Let's make a deal, I buy your book and you buy one of MPPP's Theda Bara mysteries!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (0hOvj)

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I've bought 'em all and reviewed them, too!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:25 PM (LvTSG)

458 >>>He's not owed the nomination, but he'll quickly mop the floor with everyone assuming no shenanigans.

Well if he can't handle shenanigans at this point he shouldn't get the nom.

>>>And if he does, many GOP voters will bitch and moan and sit out, which is their right...but they'll be butthurt when Trump supporters, if he loses, do the same to them.

If they sit out I think they are doing something very wrong. As bad as Trump is, he is better than every nom since Ronald Reagan. It shows they haven't learned anything since the Evan McMullin debacle.

But saying Trump should answer for his abject failures and preferring another nom because he really hasn't is not being never Trump.

If Trump is the Nom I'd walk into a poll site in Berkeley wearing a Red MAGA hat, over glass, to vote for him if I had to. But right now I do prefer DeSantis by about 70-30 (it started at 55-45, Trump has not done himself any favors)

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:26 PM (UyECW)

459 Trump's latest attack on DeSantis is that NY (Cuomo) handled COVID better than Florida.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:26 PM (MNhXM)

460 I think Trump is making a mistake betting his campaign on his MAGA thme with this 250th anniversary shtick. I think people are really tired of the rhetoric and want solutions. They want illegal immigration stopped, they want inflation curbed. They wamt the green new deal put i the dustbin of history. They want biology to trump gender. In other words, we want sanity restored.
Like Black Orchid's comment, there does seem to be some movement. It starts with politicians starting to take a stand. Like DeSantis with Disney, DEI, mandates. There are also popular figures starting to say the right things.
Sigh. I am an optimist.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 01, 2023 01:26 PM (t/2Uw)

461 The angle I like for Trump on this is that we know he'll loudly decry the fraud. Delegitimizing the institutions is the best you can do in this kind of situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:18 PM (eYoxG)

Except, if 2020 is the template, that's all he'll do. He'll tweet and whine about the 'steal,' but won't do anything concrete to fight it (and if he has any plan to overcome the built-in 2024 fraud, I haven't heard it).

The people on 'our' side will agree the election was stolen but - with J6 being stomped into their minds by tje MFM - will do nothing.

And the rest of the country will just dismiss Trump as a crybaby loser.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 01:27 PM (AW0uW)

462 Well hell, while everybody is consulting their tea leaves to predict the future, here's my prediction:

It doesn't matter who the nominee is, as long as its not a GOPe special like Christie... everyone will come together to hold our noses if necessary and support the Republican candidate. Then they will lose by whatever numbers are necessary in the even more "fortified" election in 2024, and whoever the Democrats select will be appointed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:27 PM (0hOvj)

463 Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:26 PM (UyECW)

I'm in agreement with the Moose out front.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:27 PM (MNhXM)

464 459 Trump's latest attack on DeSantis is that NY (Cuomo) handled COVID better than Florida.
Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:26 PM (MNhXM)

Wait... whut? Linky?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 01:27 PM (oHd/0)

465 The Meatball is modern Judas.

Posted by: Ingrates, Inc. at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (ERPgF)

466 I'd send him whomever I preferred, and if McConnell doesn't pass him, find another person I prefer. Keep doing it until either McConnell passes the nom, or the rest of the Senators get rid of McConnell out of sheer embarrassment. Either is acceptable.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2023 01:14 PM (eOEVl)

That's a lot of confidence. The deep state went after nominees as inoffensive as Mike Flynn: they won't treat Ritter or MacGregor any better. Maybe RDS can weather the storm of "DeSorder," but given the tepid reaction to his Twitter Space crashing I'm betting not.

Don't believe me? Fine. What are the top 3 media groups to follow Ron DeSantis on?

Posted by: trev006 at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (FWpta)

467 So, I'm left with, "I think DeSantis would be a better president overall, despite Nickelback."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures
........

What's his favorite movie? *grins*

Posted by: wth at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (v0R5T)

468 I'm pretty sure that Truth that was being passed around on Twitter earlier (where PDJT supposedly praises Cuomo and rips DeSantis) is fake

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (w0NJk)

469 I prefer how Bailey looks and acts in WKRP, but she's a school teacher type that would vote Biden twice. Jennifer is kind of plastic and manipulative, but she's probably based as hell.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (0hOvj)

470 >>>1) he did make quality nominations, but also bad nominations. How much McConnell played in this, I don’t know.

2) I’m not sure any Repub can do anything without being arrested.....

3) Trump had the EO lined up at the end of his first term...

I don't find your response adequate. I need indications from Trump that he understands his errors and has a solid new plan. And yes if he did that instead of spending time attacking DeSantis he'd win my support in the primary. Because I think his will to fight is greater than DeSantis.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:29 PM (UyECW)

471 There is some historic evidence that says it was Lincoln's 'Cabinet of Rivals' that actually kicked off the shooting phase of the Civil War.

There was peace in place for months after the succession... then, against agreements that had been made, an order was sent to reinforce Ft. Sumpter.

Both sides were caught by surprise when the war actually kicked off.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2023 01:22 PM (oHd/0)

Arguing they were caught by surprise doesn't make sense when the federal arsenals had been moved to the South pre-conflict. Furthermore everyone had raised their militias before Lincoln took office, that's pre-war mobilization.

They have been surprised how it started(like ww1), but not so much by it starting.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 01, 2023 01:30 PM (eYoxG)

472 new thread if no one mentioned it

ocasio-crackpot

Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 01, 2023 01:30 PM (B1FKF)

473 I prefer how Bailey looks and acts in WKRP, but she's a school teacher type that would vote Biden twice. Jennifer is kind of plastic and manipulative, but she's probably based as hell.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (0hOvj)

OK, then.

Chrissy or Janet?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2023 01:30 PM (AW0uW)

474 I've bought 'em all and reviewed them, too!

They are both great. And the spooky short story was, too.

I wish more 'rons and 'ettes would buy horde books, there's some amazing talent out there. When I mentioned my first book on here many moons ago, I never guessed that so many people on here were writers, let alone so good at it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:30 PM (0hOvj)

475 DeSantis better be careful. Chris Christie loves meatballs.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 01, 2023 01:30 PM (+ze3w)

476 >> I prefer how Bailey looks and acts in WKRP, but she's a school teacher type that would vote Biden

Only if you let her out of the crawlspace.

Posted by: garrett at June 01, 2023 01:30 PM (7NAVD)

477 406 ZH has a "fun story" - the Mexican cartels have men armed with what appear to be AT-4s near the US border.

And yes, those are among the weapons we sent to Ukraine.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (lc5cP)

We must send them $300B more to replace the ones they sold on the black market!!!
-- Dems and GOPe alike

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 01, 2023 01:31 PM (N39Ws)

478 I'm pretty sure that Truth that was being passed around on Twitter earlier (where PDJT supposedly praises Cuomo and rips DeSantis) is fake
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:28 PM (w0NJk)

No he didn't praise Cuomo. He implied that since NY had less deaths they handled it better than FL.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2023 01:31 PM (MNhXM)

479 Chrissy or Janet?

Three's company, right? I never watched the show. It epitomized everything I hated about situation comedies.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:34 PM (0hOvj)

480 >>Wish he would have fired Fauci. That's what I will remember.

Do you honestly think Trump would have been able to fire St Fauci, the head epidemiologist who had served under numerous presidents from both parties including GWB, in the middle of a worldwide pandemic? Forget the fact that he was a civil servant and it likely wouldn't have even been possible, Trump would have been crucified by virtually everyone.

Trump made mistakes. Every president makes mistakes. But I don't think there's a chance in hell Trump could have gotten away with shit canning Fauci.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)

481 Now...buy my book

Done.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at June 01, 2023 01:36 PM (Vu7A1)

482 'Just the tip.'

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2023 01:36 PM (eo57b)

483 Do you honestly think Trump would have been able to fire St Fauci

As the CDC is theoretically not under federal government power, I don't think he COULD fire Fauchi?

But yeah, that's his biggest flaw, the Wuhan Flu reaction and "vaccine" endorsement.

DeSantis' biggest flaws are his near-total lack of charisma and being so right wing that he terrifies a lot of people who might otherwise support him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:36 PM (0hOvj)

484 >>'m not so sure that's true. Assuming that the economy doesn't collapse and that DJT doesn't kick things off with a Pinochet purge, the Senators have no reason or desire to put truly incorruptible people in positions overseeing the security state. These are not reformable institutions: they must be burned, root and branch.

You might be right in which case it ultimately doesn't matter who wins because if they won't let Trump reform they won't let DeSantis and they don't seem all that eager to get rid of the institutions right now.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:36 PM (ZLI7S)

485 so I'm not even boycotting I'm just non-shopping all month lol
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 01, 2023 01:24 PM (w0NJk)

^^I like this. I did not plan ahead but I want to avoid buying anything with a rainbow logo for this month. You can't make me celebrate. I will ignore your Pride.

Posted by: Iris at June 01, 2023 01:38 PM (NaH5I)

486 I'd also like to point out that Trump hasn't really addressed the DIE culture of US corporations which is also an existential threat. Coming down on Disney's side because doing so might sap DeSantis support lost him a bit of "Do you know what time it is?" points in my personal preference book.

I think he wildly misjudged that move; and I think he needs to stand solidly against corporate fascism. I'm not saying he has to pay his opponents compliments. But don't attack them for doing the right things. And be in favor of the principals of acting politically toward political actors.

The whole idea that you shouldn't be political toward businesses but impartial and fair handed is predicated on businesses being principally apolitical. Once the latter is untrue, the former also becomes untrue. You shouldn't be politically impartial to someone with a political agenda.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:38 PM (UyECW)

487 And yes, I got your book

I have all of them as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:38 PM (0hOvj)

488 481 Now...buy my book

Done.
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at June 01, 2023 01:36 PM (Vu7A1)

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Yay! Thank you!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:39 PM (LvTSG)

489 And still not talk from Congress about lowering the DOJ's budget by even a dollar.

Instead, they just passed a debt ceiling bill that addressed none of this.

Weird...it's almost like the Biden corruption investigation is failure theater for the rubes. - TJM

The time to do this is during the work-up for the DOJFBI appropriations bill. That's where the Republicans will or will not increase funding for the GARLANDWRAY shenanigans.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2023 01:39 PM (rj6Yv)

490 487 And yes, I got your book I have all of them as far as I can tell.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:38 PM (0hOvj)

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Yay! Thank you!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 01, 2023 01:39 PM (LvTSG)

491 Would someone explain to me why Comer should not leak it? It appears it's time for dome extrajudicial methods.

Otherwise this is just a repeat of Repub failure theater.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2023 01:39 PM (wsHtO)

492 'Pride goeth before a fall.'

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2023 01:41 PM (eo57b)

493 Would someone explain to me why Comer should not leak it? It appears it's time for dome extrajudicial methods.

I think after a while, he'll have to, or just let it all fade away and pretend you did something for the fundraising letters. Which do you think is more likely?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:42 PM (0hOvj)

494 >>>Do you honestly think Trump would have been able to fire St Fauci

No but he could have told him to sit down, shut up, and, and make no comments to the press concerning anything involving his job. And when it was found his department was involved in the research at Wuhan. Then fire him for cause.

Letting Fauci run his press conferences openly was a huge mistake.

Posted by: mikethemoose at June 01, 2023 01:42 PM (UyECW)

495 406 ZH has a "fun story" - the Mexican cartels have men armed with what appear to be AT-4s near the US border.

And yes, those are among the weapons we sent to Ukraine.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 01, 2023 01:16 PM (lc5cP)

Mexican Army uses 'em too... that's where most military stock for the cartels comes from. (not all, certainly but most)

Posted by: Inogame at June 01, 2023 01:43 PM (53oGX)

496 Kind of an interesting resource, these guys examine movies, give them a rating, and note if they are woke or not:

https://worthitorwoke.com/woke/

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:44 PM (0hOvj)

497 Trump made mistakes. Every president makes mistakes. But I don't think there's a chance in hell Trump could have gotten away with shit canning Fauci.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2023 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)

Concur. Fauci, Inc. covered their tracks successfully enough, and they were scaring the US population through their MSM outlets enough to make them as close to untouchable as any Administrative tool could be.

The eyeopener for me was Trump sending the USNS Hospital Ship Comfort to NYC for the city's health emergency crisis, and all he got was the middle finger for his efforts. After that, I took it all in as a political psyop.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2023 01:47 PM (rj6Yv)

498 Letting Fauci run his press conferences openly was a huge mistake.

I get why he did: he ran the CDC up front and center to be the face of his response to what was considered by too many to be the black plague of the 20th century. The overreaction is super easy to see from this side of events but at the time people were genuinely scared and Trump was doing his presidential thing.

Honestly I'm not sure how it could have been handled much better in a lot of ways. Certainly the shot was a mistake, and that wasn't hard to see coming, but people demanded a major reaction by the government.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:48 PM (0hOvj)

499 The eyeopener for me was Trump sending the USNS Hospital Ship Comfort to NYC for the city's health emergency crisis, and all he got was the middle finger for his efforts. After that, I took it all in as a political psyop.

Yeah, at that point I had suspected it was all theater, but I knew for certain when NYC rejected what they had previously demanded.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2023 01:49 PM (0hOvj)

500 29 -- Zek -- What did we do to you?

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at June 01, 2023 01:55 PM (B7rlW)

501 The chinaflu was biological warfare, by the chinese, on the world, but more especially on America. Aided and abetted by our own government.

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2023 01:56 PM (eo57b)

502 "Internal unclassified FD-1023 form."

Sorry, but what's the problem here? Give them the damn form. Today.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at June 01, 2023 02:00 PM (nJ1bF)

503 If they (GOP) have _seen_ the document, there's a fighting chance someone _has_ a copy.

Just release it. Publish, and invite the FBI to be damned.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at June 01, 2023 02:35 PM (VkPYQ)

504 Wray's laughably obvious goal is to let Raskin 'view' it and be able to just lie about what it says.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at June 01, 2023 02:45 PM (setIA)

505 By "sources and methods" the FBI is referring to criminals and crimes against American citizens. This is the FBI, not the CIA and the ops are against Americans, not Russians or East Germans.
Clearly, the FBI is fighting the wrong enemy.

Posted by: william ferrin at June 01, 2023 04:19 PM (PlK5Q)

506 AOC has reached that point where the lines on her face show the hag she’s going to become. It’s surprisingly clear.

Posted by: Advo at June 01, 2023 04:25 PM (VHN21)

507 Moving Biden, Obama and Clinton(Bill)from the Whitehouse to the Big House House dose Pelican Bay sound?

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 01, 2023 06:33 PM (wGqjj)

508 How about rescinding his salary till the documents arrive?

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