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Overnight Thread: Memorial Day – 5/29/2023
had an uncle killed in Vietnam in 1967. More specifically, Buddy’s mother lost her kid brother, Jack, in Vietnam. She was my “emergency backup mother” while I was growing up, and is still a part of my life.
Buddy was too young to remember Jack or his death, but Uncle Jack’s pictures were on the wall, and he was held in reverence in that family.
As the 1970s became the 1980s, Jack seemed to now be a person from another era, rarely discussed except on Memorial Day, and far removed from the life of his surviving sister and her family.
But in the early 1990s, by which time Buddy and I were young adults, our families decided to have a multi-family, multi-generational vacation at a beach house on the Gulf Coast.
Joining us from out of state were Buddy’s grandparents…Jack’s parents.
It was in that beach house that I came to fully understood their pain and loss. 25 years after losing his only son, Grandfather still talked about Jack constantly. He told us about Jack’s character, his heart, and his patriotism. He told us what a great father Jack would have been, and how he wished that Buddy had cousins from Uncle Jack here at the beach with us.
When Buddy, my dad, and I headed out fishing one day, Grandfather told us that Jack would have loved to join us.
At grace before supper each night, Grandfather thanked God for the years Jack was in their lives, and prayed that He would hold Jack in his loving embrace until the family eventually reunited in Heaven.
Grandfather talked about the war and the circumstance of Jack’s death, striving to find the words to assure himself that Jack’s death was not in vain.
Grandmother cried several times during the vacation, still heartbroken about losing her son 25 years prior.
Their pain only ended when they left this earthly realm. I pray that they are now reunited with Jack. Buddy’s mother still grieves the brother she lost 56 years ago.
We are so blessed that there are men like Jack who selflessly gave their lives for our country. May God give comfort to their survivors, and provide us guidance to make such heartbreaking deaths less common.
I saw her from a distance
As she walked up to the wall
In her hand she held some flowers
As her tears began to fall
And she took out pen and paper
As to trace her memories
And she looked up to heaven
And the words she said were these... (Chorus)
She said Lord my boy was special,
And he meant so much to me
And Oh I'd love to see him
Just one more time you see
All I have are the memories
And the moments to recall
So Lord could you tell him,
He's more than a name on a wall. She said he really missed the family
And being home on Christmas day
And he died for God and Country
In a place so far away
I remember just a little boy
Playing war since he was three
But Lord this time I know,
He's not coming home to me (Chorus)
Just a picture on a table
Just some letters Mama saved
And a costume broach from England
On the back it has engraved:
“To Eileen, I love you;
London, nineteen forty-three”
And she never heard from him again
And he never heard of me (Chorus)
And the war still ain't over for Mama
Every night in her dreams she still sees
The young face of someone who left her
Silver medals and sweet memories In Mama's bedroom closet
To this day on her top shelf
There's a flag folded three-corner
Laying all by itself
And the sergeant would surely be honored
To know how pretty she still is
And that after all these lonely years
His Eileen's still his (Chorus)
We shall meet but we shall miss him.
There will be one vacant chair.
We shall linger to caress him
While we breathe our evening prayer.
When a year ago we gathered,
Joy was in his mild blue eye.
Now the golden cord is severed,
And our hopes in ruin lie. (Chorus)
We shall meet, but we shall miss him.
There will be one vacant chair.
We shall linger to caress him
When we breathe our evening prayer. At our fireside, sad and lonely,
Often will the bosom swell
At remembrance of the story
How our noble Willie fell.
How he strove to bear our banner
Through the thickest of the fight
And uphold our country’s honor
In the strength of manhood’s might. (Chorus)
buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com
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Posted by: Ciampino - Nature gives us chillies at May 29, 2023 10:01 PM (qfLjt)
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Thank
You for the ONT, Buck.
You for the ONT, Buck.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2023 10:01 PM (U2p+3)
Posted by: Tonypete at May 29, 2023 10:01 PM (qoGsy)
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Solemn for the Occasion, Happy for its results …
Posted by: Adriane the Critic . . . at May 29, 2023 10:02 PM (jonTH)
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Good evening morons and thank you buck for that moving memoriam and testimony for the blessing of memory.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 29, 2023 10:03 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Iris at May 29, 2023 10:03 PM (foa6+)
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Buck
A most beautiful post, thank you from the bottom of my heart!
A most beautiful post, thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 29, 2023 10:03 PM (hOUT3)
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Awfully dusty in here, Buck. God bless you and Jack's family.
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 10:05 PM (JrN/x)
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Thank you, Buck. One last tear for today.
'Gramps' - '89
Sandy - '87
God rest you and keep you.
I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more...
'Gramps' - '89
Sandy - '87
God rest you and keep you.
I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more...
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (t+Wem)
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One of the ads I always see here is "4 Warning Signs of a Dying Liver." Has a colored pencil kind of sketch of a dude who looks like he's wearing a baseball uniform but with a giant red splotch on his ass. Seems like the profusely bleeding ass thing is a more of an immediate concern than the liver, but what do I know?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (KFhLj)
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Hope everyone had a good Memorial Day.
I went with Mom to a commemoration at the local veterans' cemetery (there's a museum nearby dedicated to the armed forces' Stars and Stripes newspaper, which is pretty cool). The ceremony included most of what you might expect, but one man got up and read a poem titled "The Broken Soldier," dedicated to his son, an Afghanistan vet suffering badly from PTSD.
It was one of those "not a dry eye in the house" moments.
I went with Mom to a commemoration at the local veterans' cemetery (there's a museum nearby dedicated to the armed forces' Stars and Stripes newspaper, which is pretty cool). The ceremony included most of what you might expect, but one man got up and read a poem titled "The Broken Soldier," dedicated to his son, an Afghanistan vet suffering badly from PTSD.
It was one of those "not a dry eye in the house" moments.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (jGGMD)
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Dusty in here tonight.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 29, 2023 10:07 PM (63Dwl)
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If you did not see it, JJS did a beautiful post this morning as well. If you can figure out how to access memory holed AoS posts it is well worth your time and effort to do so
"When You Go Home, Tell Them of Us and Say, For Your Tomorrow We Gave Our Today"
"When You Go Home, Tell Them of Us and Say, For Your Tomorrow We Gave Our Today"
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 29, 2023 10:08 PM (hOUT3)
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Repeat from earlier/The Fallen Soldier. A Prager video for Memorial Day and narrated by a former Navy Seal :
https://tinyurl.com/bdey8xv7
https://tinyurl.com/bdey8xv7
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 10:08 PM (OSC1Z)
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2023 10:08 PM (aBJcM)
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I can't believe how dusty my living room has been today.
Posted by: Ciampino - God giveth and Man takes away at May 29, 2023 10:09 PM (qfLjt)
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Gorecckii:s Songs o Sorrow strike me as appropriate for Memorial Day. But what do I know?
Posted by: That Northern skulker at May 29, 2023 10:09 PM (eGTCV)
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Been dusty all weekend here.
Thank you Buck. A beautiful story and ONT.
God bless them and keep them.
May eternal light shine upon them.
Thank you Buck. A beautiful story and ONT.
God bless them and keep them.
May eternal light shine upon them.
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, McFailure wing of the Uniparty at May 29, 2023 10:09 PM (sZ2f7)
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1944 USS Essex - AMM2 Loyce Edward Deen USN - Burial at Sea within his TBM Avenger:
https://youtu.be/0HQwVg-NeJg
https://youtu.be/0HQwVg-NeJg
Posted by: Tonypete at May 29, 2023 10:10 PM (qoGsy)
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Thanks, Buck. Most excellent thread.
Posted by: olddog in mo at May 29, 2023 10:12 PM (CmOb8)
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*raises his glass*
Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 29, 2023 10:13 PM (k1Qly)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 29, 2023 10:13 PM (/nCD+)
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In memoriam.
Arthur Thompson, killed in France in 1918. Brought home to rest beside his father, a Civil War veteran.
Your family still remembers you, Arthur.
Arthur Thompson, killed in France in 1918. Brought home to rest beside his father, a Civil War veteran.
Your family still remembers you, Arthur.
Posted by: Wethal at May 29, 2023 10:14 PM (NufIr)
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Hey, FIRST!
Posted by: Ciampino - The State PRETENDS to give you stuff but REALLY TAKES your money at May 29, 2023 10:14 PM (qfLjt)
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Thank you, Buck. This holiday is a bad one for me. You've done it well, and respectfully. There are a plethora of Jack in my family. My heart bleeds for his family. May his sacrifice be forever remembered, and honored.
Posted by: BifBewalski at May 29, 2023 10:15 PM (3CCua)
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You can rag on me but Billy Don't Be A Hero makes me get a lump in my throat when the lyric ' I need a volunteer to ride up and bring us back some extra men and Billy's hand was up in a moment' is sung.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:16 PM (BqNkw)
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A wonderful ONT, Buck
Thanks
Thanks
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 10:16 PM (MeG8a)
Posted by: NL at May 29, 2023 10:17 PM (eGTCV)
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Evenin'
I left Babylon DC pretty early this morning. The route I take to West PA pretty much skips well-travelled routes. Lots of small towns to drive through. Lots of small towns with American Flags along the street, in yards, and on lamp posts. The ones that could be put at half-mast were. It was nice to be back in America again, even if it's only for 2 weeks. Got to my folks' house by noon and had a picnic with the family. It was nice.
I left Babylon DC pretty early this morning. The route I take to West PA pretty much skips well-travelled routes. Lots of small towns to drive through. Lots of small towns with American Flags along the street, in yards, and on lamp posts. The ones that could be put at half-mast were. It was nice to be back in America again, even if it's only for 2 weeks. Got to my folks' house by noon and had a picnic with the family. It was nice.
Posted by: Puddleglum in Pennsyltucky at May 29, 2023 10:17 PM (LUyqH)
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:18 PM (KATBx)
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My dad's brother, Teddy, (10+ years his senior) joined the RAF early on, as Britain was on the front line of Hitler's war. After more than 50 missions over Germany in Lancasters as a bombardier, the 23 year old Flight Sergeant died on a nighttime training mission, less than 50 miles from home, less than a month from the official end of the war. His parents never quite recovered from the loss of their eldest son, leaving England with my father, their youngest, in tow, and settling in New York.
The number of families shattered by WWII is incalculable. So too is the level of gratitude for those who gave all so we could pursue a better life. Inexpressible thanks to all who gave the full measure.
The number of families shattered by WWII is incalculable. So too is the level of gratitude for those who gave all so we could pursue a better life. Inexpressible thanks to all who gave the full measure.
Posted by: red speck at May 29, 2023 10:20 PM (Ny/Va)
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As Gpd is my witness this vow I will make, till my death I will stand by me,
I'm sorry but that moves me.
I'm sorry but that moves me.
Posted by: NL at May 29, 2023 10:21 PM (eGTCV)
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Thank you, Buck. The missing man formation gets to me every single time. To those who lost their lives in service to a higher ideal, you will never be forgotten.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 10:21 PM (Xrfse)
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Thank you for the write up.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:22 PM (kNpet)
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All heroes, known and unknown. This nation was truly blessed by their presence.
We love you. Godspeed.
We love you. Godspeed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 10:23 PM (Xrfse)
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A perfect ONT for this day. Thx Buck.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 29, 2023 10:24 PM (AxN/S)
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For what it's worth The Battle Hymn of Love was played at our wedding and my wife's memorial.
Posted by: NL at May 29, 2023 10:25 PM (eGTCV)
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My military retired father was a Korean War Vet but he never talked about it. Wasn't that he was trying to bury it because he was a VFW commander for a number of years and very active in the American Legion . I always regret not asking about his experiences . He passed from a service related disability far too soon at 55 years old. I always strived and thought it would be a success to be just 1/2 the man he was.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:25 PM (BqNkw)
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For anyone living in a blue city hellhole: what was Memorial Day like there?
Posted by: Ciampino -- The State PRETENDS to give you stuff but REALLY TAKES your money at May 29, 2023 10:26 PM (qfLjt)
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Not gonna lie, the Plussites aren't a military family. I mean yeah, sure, I have some great uncles or whatever that bought it in WWII but so did everyone, goes with the territory when you've got a bit of the old full mobilization going on. I respect what our military folks do, but I try not to pry too hard or do that really fake "I wear the yellow ribbon and support our troops!" nonsense.
Back when the Plus family lived in the San Diego metro area I was on a lot of flights with military types going to and from the bases out there, I was polite when the occasion called for it but generally kept my distance and let them have some alone time. That doting fakeness is why. Right? Wrong? Doesn't matter, it's what I did.
Back when the Plus family lived in the San Diego metro area I was on a lot of flights with military types going to and from the bases out there, I was polite when the occasion called for it but generally kept my distance and let them have some alone time. That doting fakeness is why. Right? Wrong? Doesn't matter, it's what I did.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 10:27 PM (PZvjL)
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Saw lots of flags on boats on the lake today. Good to know people still remember what today is and not just a reason to have a mattress sale.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:27 PM (kNpet)
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I was fortunate. I graduated high school in June of '66, and moved to Nebraska two months later, cutting all ties with the kids I went to high school with. So I never heard word one about anyone I might have known being shipped off to 'Nam. Only one guy I knew in college lost his deferment, and spent a year over there as a medic. My older male relatives made it through WW I and II without a scratch. So maybe Memorial Day doesn't have the same horrible connotations for me as it does for those of you who lost relatives, friends, and served. But I still understand how much I owe those who left home and never came back or came back broken in body and/or spirit.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at May 29, 2023 10:27 PM (B7rlW)
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One of the ads I always see here is "4 Warning Signs of a Dying Liver."
What does that have to do with any of this?
What does that have to do with any of this?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 10:29 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 10:29 PM (MoZTd)
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I guess Dallas will go golfing tomorrow, down 0-6 and 5 minutes to go.
Posted by: Ciampino --- The State PRETENDS to give you stuff but REALLY TAKES your money at May 29, 2023 10:29 PM (qfLjt)
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I like Toby Kieth's American Soldier too.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:30 PM (BqNkw)
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Sorry, I'm not very good company tonight.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 10:32 PM (Xrfse)
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10 One of the ads I always see here is "4 Warning Signs of a Dying Liver." Has a colored pencil kind of sketch of a dude who looks like he's wearing a baseball uniform but with a giant red splotch on his ass.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (KFhLj)
Y'all get some seriously weird targeted ads. I get, uh, generic crap with images of Elon Musk making silly faces. And the eyes of some hot chick staring at me. And, a couple of weeks ago, I think there might have been a colored medical illustration of a pancreas.
Apparently there are benefits to using a browser that blocks trackers coupled with safe browsing habits.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (KFhLj)
Y'all get some seriously weird targeted ads. I get, uh, generic crap with images of Elon Musk making silly faces. And the eyes of some hot chick staring at me. And, a couple of weeks ago, I think there might have been a colored medical illustration of a pancreas.
Apparently there are benefits to using a browser that blocks trackers coupled with safe browsing habits.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 10:32 PM (PZvjL)
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My military retired father was a Korean War Vet but he never talked about it. Wasn't that he was trying to bury it because he was a VFW commander for a number of years and very active in the American Legion . I always regret not asking about his experiences . He passed from a service related disability far too soon at 55 years old. I always strived and thought it would be a success to be just 1/2 the man he was.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:25 PM (BqNkw)
He may not have wanted to talk about it anyway. My grandpa served in Korea and for most of my life, he only said that it was pretty boring, he spent the whole war driving a truck around. It was only in his last years that he began to slip and occasionally referred to getting shot at. Sometimes, they just don't want to discuss it, or don't think they'd be able to make us understand, or both.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:25 PM (BqNkw)
He may not have wanted to talk about it anyway. My grandpa served in Korea and for most of my life, he only said that it was pretty boring, he spent the whole war driving a truck around. It was only in his last years that he began to slip and occasionally referred to getting shot at. Sometimes, they just don't want to discuss it, or don't think they'd be able to make us understand, or both.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 29, 2023 10:32 PM (jGGMD)
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41 Saw lots of flags on boats on the lake today. Good to know people still remember what today is and not just a reason to have a mattress sale.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:27 PM (kNpet)
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Have you ever seen a bed or mattress shop NOT HAVING A SALE?
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:27 PM (kNpet)
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Have you ever seen a bed or mattress shop NOT HAVING A SALE?
Posted by: Ciampino - The State PRETENDS to give you stuff but REALLY TAKES your money! at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (qfLjt)
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No offense intended here, anyone who fights for something redeeming for another is always special.
But Uncle Jack didn't die for American freedoms, he died in the service of strangers in Vietnam and the power brokers who sacrificed other people's lives for reasons God only knows.
We memorialize Uncle Jack because he went and sacrificed his life for others. But make no mistake, no soldier in the miliary in the past century has fought for American freedoms, and while their sacrifice is deemed noble, we shouldn't be gaslighting ourselves that they died for the cause of Freedom.
But Uncle Jack didn't die for American freedoms, he died in the service of strangers in Vietnam and the power brokers who sacrificed other people's lives for reasons God only knows.
We memorialize Uncle Jack because he went and sacrificed his life for others. But make no mistake, no soldier in the miliary in the past century has fought for American freedoms, and while their sacrifice is deemed noble, we shouldn't be gaslighting ourselves that they died for the cause of Freedom.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
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Apparently there are benefits to using a browser that blocks trackers coupled with safe browsing habits.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 10:32 PM (PZvjL)
I don't block anything unless it makes the blog unreadable...Ace makes his money from ads!
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 10:32 PM (PZvjL)
I don't block anything unless it makes the blog unreadable...Ace makes his money from ads!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 10:34 PM (ZCCyW)
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Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
Fighting commies is always fighting for Freedom.
Fighting commies is always fighting for Freedom.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:34 PM (BqNkw)
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Thanks for the splendid and moving ONT tribute, Buck!
We live in freedom and they paid the ultimate price. Let us never forget how blessed we are to have such countrymen.
We live in freedom and they paid the ultimate price. Let us never forget how blessed we are to have such countrymen.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 29, 2023 10:35 PM (vfKOf)
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When I was very young, a teenager across the street saved his pennies and bought a brand new Ford Mustang, convertible, cream with red interior. The prettiest car I had ever seen. He let me sit in the passenger seat once and I thought maybe I was a princess after all.
Then he left for boot camp, and he never came back, and that car got moved into a shed, and I never learned what became of it. But, a gold star was posted in the window, and we didn't go over there to visit any more.
Vietnam was awful.
Then he left for boot camp, and he never came back, and that car got moved into a shed, and I never learned what became of it. But, a gold star was posted in the window, and we didn't go over there to visit any more.
Vietnam was awful.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2023 10:35 PM (LOVUx)
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Vietnam was awful.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2023 10:35 PM (LOVUx)
All wars are awful.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2023 10:35 PM (LOVUx)
All wars are awful.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:36 PM (BqNkw)
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It was the 80s whe I first visited "The Wall" in DC. I don't know if people remember now, there was a lot of controversy over the monument. It was not like the others. It was "modern" and many thought ugly. I remember reading that it was appropriate because it was an ugly gash in The Mall, like the way the war in Vietnam tore our culture.
So I did not know what to expect. My father and stepfather had been pilots in Vietnam, and they lived, so it was not a touchpoint for me.
But I got there, and as you walk down the incline to the center of the monument, you slowly lose the sounds of traffic and whatever else is going on in DC. It was like a sanctuary, and to me, it seemed a very fitting monument to the war and the men and women who had died there.
I remember seeing a man who was then probably in his 30s. He was with a young boy, maybe 10 years old. The man pointed to a name, and told the boy about what happened to the man whose name it was, then moved his hand a little farther along, and told the story of the man behind that name.
It's dusty in here.
So I did not know what to expect. My father and stepfather had been pilots in Vietnam, and they lived, so it was not a touchpoint for me.
But I got there, and as you walk down the incline to the center of the monument, you slowly lose the sounds of traffic and whatever else is going on in DC. It was like a sanctuary, and to me, it seemed a very fitting monument to the war and the men and women who had died there.
I remember seeing a man who was then probably in his 30s. He was with a young boy, maybe 10 years old. The man pointed to a name, and told the boy about what happened to the man whose name it was, then moved his hand a little farther along, and told the story of the man behind that name.
It's dusty in here.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 10:36 PM (+NarO)
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51 No offense intended here, anyone who fights for something redeeming for another is always special.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
I really liked that memorial marker that someone posted from England that was something along the lines of "Dedicated to the Cavaliers and Roundheads that died for their cause." But what do I know, I'm one of those dirty heretics that's not down with demolishing Confederate stuff--most of whom were Mexican-American war heroes in their own right--because Current Thing. FFS, let the dead rest.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
I really liked that memorial marker that someone posted from England that was something along the lines of "Dedicated to the Cavaliers and Roundheads that died for their cause." But what do I know, I'm one of those dirty heretics that's not down with demolishing Confederate stuff--most of whom were Mexican-American war heroes in their own right--because Current Thing. FFS, let the dead rest.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (PZvjL)
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Well, that's it. Florida and Vegas in the NHL finals.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (jGGMD)
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That doting fakeness is why. Right? Wrong? Doesn't matter, it's what I did.
We are supposed to worship First Responders and people in uniform, its a way to signal virtue and justify paying them low wages while they work crappy hours around ungrateful people.
"They are special" because they can insert themselves into bad situations and get paid for it. If I voluntarily do the same, I get to go to jail and/or get sued.
We are supposed to worship First Responders and people in uniform, its a way to signal virtue and justify paying them low wages while they work crappy hours around ungrateful people.
"They are special" because they can insert themselves into bad situations and get paid for it. If I voluntarily do the same, I get to go to jail and/or get sued.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (YXHzG)
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We memorialize Uncle Jack because he went and sacrificed his life for others. But make no mistake, no soldier in the miliary in the past century has fought for American freedoms, and while their sacrifice is deemed noble, we shouldn't be gaslighting ourselves that they died for the cause of Freedom.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
Bullshit. We fought the red Chinese in that war. Any fight against communists is a fight for freedom. I find it rather offensive that you think the deaths of people I knew were a waste of time. I equally find it offensive that people I dated and knew who were damaged by that war did it for cynical reasons.
Back up that bus and try again.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
Bullshit. We fought the red Chinese in that war. Any fight against communists is a fight for freedom. I find it rather offensive that you think the deaths of people I knew were a waste of time. I equally find it offensive that people I dated and knew who were damaged by that war did it for cynical reasons.
Back up that bus and try again.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (LOVUx)
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we shouldn't be gaslighting ourselves that they died for the cause of Freedom.
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The fault for that lies with we who remain and continue to tolerate the abomination in DC.
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The fault for that lies with we who remain and continue to tolerate the abomination in DC.
Posted by: Methos at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (kOpft)
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@52: "Ace makes his money from ads!"
Personally, I think the ads here genuinely add to the early aughts web aesthetic. AoSHQ just wouldn't be the same without 'em. And I'm pretty sure Ace makes mint on a high value mailing list of possible time travelers and schizophrenics who actually click on most of these ads.
Personally, I think the ads here genuinely add to the early aughts web aesthetic. AoSHQ just wouldn't be the same without 'em. And I'm pretty sure Ace makes mint on a high value mailing list of possible time travelers and schizophrenics who actually click on most of these ads.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 29, 2023 10:39 PM (k1Qly)
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Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (YXHzG)
How about if you give Buck's excellent post until 100 comments before you continue to be...difficult...
How about if you give Buck's excellent post until 100 comments before you continue to be...difficult...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 10:40 PM (ZCCyW)
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That which made this country the most exceptional on the planet has not disappeared.
It still remains, the difference is those values have been so thoroughly suborned by the progressive left as to be invisible. A cleansing is desperately needed.
As we have in our past, we will meet these issues and prevail over them. This is a huge part of our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors to ensure the Republic stands. Given our record of unbroken success in these matters, I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
That which made this country the most exceptional on the planet has not disappeared.
It still remains, the difference is those values have been so thoroughly suborned by the progressive left as to be invisible. A cleansing is desperately needed.
As we have in our past, we will meet these issues and prevail over them. This is a huge part of our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors to ensure the Republic stands. Given our record of unbroken success in these matters, I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
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The fault for that lies with we who remain and continue to tolerate the abomination in DC.
Posted by: Methos at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (kOpft)
Again that sentiment has been around for over 200 years.
Posted by: Methos at May 29, 2023 10:38 PM (kOpft)
Again that sentiment has been around for over 200 years.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (BqNkw)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (hOUT3)
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Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 10:36 PM (+NarO)
When I first saw the Vietnam Memorial I expected to dislike it, but I was touched and moved by its quiet respect for the fallen.
When I first saw the Vietnam Memorial I expected to dislike it, but I was touched and moved by its quiet respect for the fallen.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (ZCCyW)
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How about if you give Buck's excellent post until 100 comments before you continue to be...difficult...
Amen. I have an additional suggestion. Just STFU.
Amen. I have an additional suggestion. Just STFU.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (Xrfse)
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Blaire White
@MsBlaireWhite
I just woke up from a horrible nightmare that society gave veterans who died for this country one day of celebration and LGBT people an entire month.
..Oh wait, that's really how backwards we are.
@MsBlaireWhite
I just woke up from a horrible nightmare that society gave veterans who died for this country one day of celebration and LGBT people an entire month.
..Oh wait, that's really how backwards we are.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (jGGMD)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (MoZTd)
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Oh, damn me, in describing my ad experience I forgot to mention our principal patron, His Majesty The King. HQ specific images and everything, I respect that. I'm not a coffee drinker, but if I was I'd probably try some.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 10:43 PM (PZvjL)
73
My liver is dying but my teeth are clean and I don't have toenail fungus.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (MoZTd)
Success!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 10:42 PM (MoZTd)
Success!
Posted by: Adcents at May 29, 2023 10:44 PM (Angsy)
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Today sra blaster and I are in the small town nearest our farm in Florida. I think of this as real America. Or maybe forgotten America. The town is small, but they have a large and very well done Veteran's Memorial Park,with markers for each war since WWI, and names of veterans and thefallen.
This weekend the place was surrounded with flags, and they had a ceremony there.
Most times I think this country is over. But when I come here I think maybe not. That's probably whywe bought land here.
This weekend the place was surrounded with flags, and they had a ceremony there.
Most times I think this country is over. But when I come here I think maybe not. That's probably whywe bought land here.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 10:44 PM (+NarO)
75
So Tampa v Vegas in NHL , Miami v Denver in NBA. Ratings bonanza those are
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 29, 2023 10:44 PM (AxN/S)
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But what do I know, I'm one of those dirty heretics that's not down with demolishing Confederate stuff--most of whom were Mexican-American war heroes in their own right--because Current Thing. FFS, let the dead rest.
We are supposed to hate all that fought in the War of Northern Aggression, but in my opinion, they are the true selfless one fighting for their progeny. The apex soldiers are clearly those who participated in the Revolutionary War - it truly can be said that we wouldn't have the freedoms we have without them.
Dittos with all those who fought to separate the Republic of Texas from Santa Anna. Apex men and warriors all. That is how I prefer to see my war heroes.
With a woke Party Military that hides behind a fence in Babylon DC aiming their weapons at We The People as the politicians they protect complete their coup d'etat, its hard to muster a salute or show gratitude to traitors.
We have come a long way
We are supposed to hate all that fought in the War of Northern Aggression, but in my opinion, they are the true selfless one fighting for their progeny. The apex soldiers are clearly those who participated in the Revolutionary War - it truly can be said that we wouldn't have the freedoms we have without them.
Dittos with all those who fought to separate the Republic of Texas from Santa Anna. Apex men and warriors all. That is how I prefer to see my war heroes.
With a woke Party Military that hides behind a fence in Babylon DC aiming their weapons at We The People as the politicians they protect complete their coup d'etat, its hard to muster a salute or show gratitude to traitors.
We have come a long way
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:44 PM (YXHzG)
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Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
On behalf of my Dad, my Grandpa, and my brothers...
Fook off.
On behalf of my Dad, my Grandpa, and my brothers...
Fook off.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:44 PM (T/Lqj)
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Fighting commies is always fighting for Freedom.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:34 PM (BqNkw)
* * * *
Amen!
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 10:34 PM (BqNkw)
* * * *
Amen!
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 29, 2023 10:45 PM (vfKOf)
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Damn it. Awful dusty in here tonight.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2023 10:45 PM (Wnv9h)
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I post this, as I do every Memorial Day, as much as a reminder to myself, as for any other reason. On account of the length it will take several posts.
They were all really just boys, by age. They never had a chance to marry, have families, never had children. They were all classmates, and friends of mine, and in the final analysis, comrades-in-arms. Other people have longer lists, but this is mine.
I never completely forget these guys, but today is special. I can see their faces, almost hear their voices.
ROBERT NELSON MORDEN
PFC - E2 - Marine Corps - Regular
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Dec 19, 1967
Casualty was on Feb 8, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
-----------------------------
They were all really just boys, by age. They never had a chance to marry, have families, never had children. They were all classmates, and friends of mine, and in the final analysis, comrades-in-arms. Other people have longer lists, but this is mine.
I never completely forget these guys, but today is special. I can see their faces, almost hear their voices.
ROBERT NELSON MORDEN
PFC - E2 - Marine Corps - Regular
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Dec 19, 1967
Casualty was on Feb 8, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
-----------------------------
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:46 PM (rLiBp)
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CRAIG PHILIP AVERILL
CPL - E4 - Army - Regular
101st Airborne Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jun 12, 1967
Casualty was on Mar 26, 1968
In THUA THIEN, SOUTH VIETNAM
Hostile, died of wounds, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
----------------------
CPL - E4 - Army - Regular
101st Airborne Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jun 12, 1967
Casualty was on Mar 26, 1968
In THUA THIEN, SOUTH VIETNAM
Hostile, died of wounds, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
----------------------
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:46 PM (rLiBp)
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Miami v Denver in NBA.
__________
Poor Boston fans. First the Bruins, now the Celtics.
I haz sadz.
Miami v Denver in NBA.
__________
Poor Boston fans. First the Bruins, now the Celtics.
I haz sadz.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 10:46 PM (MoZTd)
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Blaire White
@MsBlaireWhite
I just woke up from a horrible nightmare that society gave veterans who died for this country one day of celebration and LGBT people an entire month.
..Oh wait, that's really how backwards we are.
Posted by: Dr. T
It's ClownWorld. This is one of many examples.
@MsBlaireWhite
I just woke up from a horrible nightmare that society gave veterans who died for this country one day of celebration and LGBT people an entire month.
..Oh wait, that's really how backwards we are.
Posted by: Dr. T
It's ClownWorld. This is one of many examples.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 29, 2023 10:47 PM (+Wcyp)
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GLENN BRANSON HAINES JR
PFC - E3 - Army - Selective Service
18th Eng Bde
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Nov 26, 1968
Casualty was on Mar 6, 1969
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury, GROUND CASUALTY
ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION
Body was recovered
--------------------------
PFC - E3 - Army - Selective Service
18th Eng Bde
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Nov 26, 1968
Casualty was on Mar 6, 1969
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury, GROUND CASUALTY
ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION
Body was recovered
--------------------------
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:48 PM (rLiBp)
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And let the Massholes cry in their beer.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 29, 2023 10:48 PM (+Wcyp)
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JOE WOFFORD EUBANKS
CAPT - O3 - Army - Regular
1st AVN BDE
His tour began on Nov 13, 1971
Casualty was on Jun 2, 1972
In PLEIKU, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, HELICOPTER - CREW
AIR LOSS, CRASH ON LAND
Body was recovered
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CAPT - O3 - Army - Regular
1st AVN BDE
His tour began on Nov 13, 1971
Casualty was on Jun 2, 1972
In PLEIKU, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, HELICOPTER - CREW
AIR LOSS, CRASH ON LAND
Body was recovered
-----------
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:48 PM (rLiBp)
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My father-in-law fought in Korea. His wife had my brother-in-law while he was in combat (and he was in the front lines) The first time he saw him was when he came home. Thankfully he came home.
He never spoke about the war. It was pure horror. When someone like that tells you the ones that didn't come home were the heroes, you listen to them.
He never spoke about the war. It was pure horror. When someone like that tells you the ones that didn't come home were the heroes, you listen to them.
Posted by: jeff at May 29, 2023 10:48 PM (pvt9V)
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (+NarO)
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But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate--we can not consecrate--we can not hallow--this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (+NarO)
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RICHARD MICHAEL CAMPBELL
SGT - E5 - Army - Selective Service
9th Infantry Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Apr 2, 1968
Casualty was on May 7, 1968
In GIA DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
DROWNED, SUFFOCATED
Body was recovered
SGT - E5 - Army - Selective Service
9th Infantry Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Apr 2, 1968
Casualty was on May 7, 1968
In GIA DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
DROWNED, SUFFOCATED
Body was recovered
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (rLiBp)
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My wife and I toured the National Museum of Military Vehicles outside of Dubois, Wyoming today. Lots of veterans in the crowd.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (soOQJ)
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I need to back off and hit the sack. G'nite all. Thanks for the great thread, Buck.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (Xrfse)
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My uncle enlisted in the North Dakota National Guard, and was attached to the Americal Division in the second wave at Guadalcanal.
It changed him and haunted him for the rest of his life, which was shorter than it should have been.
It changed him and haunted him for the rest of his life, which was shorter than it should have been.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (ZCCyW)
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WILLIAM WINTON WEBB
2LT - O1 - Army - Reserve
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on May 6, 1966
Casualty was on Jun 5, 1966
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
Panel 08E - Line 13
2LT - O1 - Army - Reserve
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on May 6, 1966
Casualty was on Jun 5, 1966
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
Panel 08E - Line 13
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (hOUT3)
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Reuben Hick at May 29, 2023 10:33 PM (YXHzG)
WWII. It was a fight against Japanese Imperialism and Nazi Facism. If they'd won, we'd have no freedoms today.
WWII. It was a fight against Japanese Imperialism and Nazi Facism. If they'd won, we'd have no freedoms today.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 29, 2023 10:50 PM (ynpvh)
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Thank you Buck for an excellent ONT. Good evening all.
Posted by: scampydog at May 29, 2023 10:50 PM (sBypW)
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Ciampino's Rescue kitties - LIVE STREAMING!!
https://www.twitch.tv/kittenwatch
Biscuits' kittens are running around!
https://www.twitch.tv/kittenwatch
Biscuits' kittens are running around!
Posted by: Ciampino - Cats everuwhere at May 29, 2023 10:50 PM (qfLjt)
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LLOYD WHITFIELD MOORE
HN - E3 - Navy - Regular
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jan 15, 1968
Casualty was on Feb 25, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE
Body was recovered
HN - E3 - Navy - Regular
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jan 15, 1968
Casualty was on Feb 25, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE
Body was recovered
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM (rLiBp)
99
My dad was a Korean war vet with three older brothers who served in WW2. They all made it home in one piece. He talked about his experience on and off but less as time went on. He joined the VFW but later quit, having some kind of disagreement with the local unit. I think that had to do with him being an actual combat vet with a CIB and our little town local VFW chapter being run by REMFs from WW2 that saw his war as a police action. We did always go to the parade and cemetery ceremonies held on Memorial Day, a day which now has more significance for my family since my Dad died on Memorial Day 22 years ago.
Posted by: Cosda at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM (jq/sa)
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An utterly magnificent ONT in honor of The Fallen.
Respect, appreciation and yes, a few tears.
*pours bourbon* ABSENT FRIENDS. SALUTE!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Respect, appreciation and yes, a few tears.
*pours bourbon* ABSENT FRIENDS. SALUTE!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM (e6UQI)
101
Visited Dad's plot yesterday. Beautiful, sunny late afternoon in Montana. Folks had taken the time to plant flags. Also, Dad had a nice floral arrangement most likely planted by my Marine brother and his wife.
Dad never saw combat. Neither did I. All of Dad's sons served. Only one, baby brother, saw combat (and that was not lengthy, praise the Lord). We're all still here. For that, Mom is grateful.
Dad never saw combat. Neither did I. All of Dad's sons served. Only one, baby brother, saw combat (and that was not lengthy, praise the Lord). We're all still here. For that, Mom is grateful.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM (T/Lqj)
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Grandpa Aspirin Factory was the second wave at Normandy. He didn't talk about it. Half his company is in the ground over there.
They don't make them like that any more.
They don't make them like that any more.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 29, 2023 10:53 PM (+Wcyp)
103
Father served in WW2, grandfather in WW1. Grandpa talked a little about what he saw in his later years, before passing. Dad would tell us a few stories. Both were combat vets, grandpa in France, Dad in the Philippines.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 29, 2023 10:53 PM (ynpvh)
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65 irongrampa As we have in our past, we will meet these issues and prevail over them. This is a huge part of our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors to ensure the Republic stands. Given our record of unbroken success in these matters, I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
I appreciate your optimism and faith in the American people and our American ideals, but I don't think our countries inhabitants (so many not citizens) have ever been so thoroughly mentally and spiritually dead. I don't know that we can recover from this, without direct intervention from God.
I appreciate your optimism and faith in the American people and our American ideals, but I don't think our countries inhabitants (so many not citizens) have ever been so thoroughly mentally and spiritually dead. I don't know that we can recover from this, without direct intervention from God.
Posted by: TecumsehTea-not a resident troll at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (ebhEj)
105
My wife and I toured the National Museum of Military Vehicles outside of Dubois, Wyoming today. Lots of veterans in the crowd.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (soOQJ)
That's where Chance Phelps, USMC was laid to rest. Taking Chance was a powerful account of that Marine's story. Being from Wyoming, it hit me hard.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 29, 2023 10:49 PM (soOQJ)
That's where Chance Phelps, USMC was laid to rest. Taking Chance was a powerful account of that Marine's story. Being from Wyoming, it hit me hard.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (KVGVf)
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I was too young to remember when the Vietnam memorial was constructed. First time I saw it I thought it was a terrific way to honor everyone who died there. And then later so found out that it was not universally appreciated initially. Which surprised me.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:55 PM (kNpet)
108
Damn Buck.
Beautiful thread tonight.
As a platoon leader I only ever had to write one letter to a wife waiting at home. To this day I think about that soldier.
This is his day.
Thank you again for the thread.
Beautiful thread tonight.
As a platoon leader I only ever had to write one letter to a wife waiting at home. To this day I think about that soldier.
This is his day.
Thank you again for the thread.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2023 10:56 PM (YGqO/)
109
*pours bourbon* ABSENT FRIENDS. SALUTE!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM
*raises glass*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM
*raises glass*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2023 10:57 PM (Wnv9h)
110
My dad served in WWII, my husband was a Marine, but only went to war as a civilian (four wars.) I'm grateful both came home. My heart goes out to the mothers, wives, girlfriends and children whose loved ones didn't.
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 10:57 PM (JrN/x)
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107 I was too young to remember when the Vietnam memorial was constructed. First time I saw it I thought it was a terrific way to honor everyone who died there. And then later so found out that it was not universally appreciated initially. Which surprised me.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:55 PM (kNpet)
It was, shall we say, quite non-traditional.
But once you see it in person, you realize what a true memorial it is!
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:55 PM (kNpet)
It was, shall we say, quite non-traditional.
But once you see it in person, you realize what a true memorial it is!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 29, 2023 10:58 PM (hOUT3)
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I posted this earlier today at the end of some thread. This is the American Battle Monuments Commission website. They care for over 25 American cemeteries and monuments overseas. They are beautiful, if heartbreaking, sites. It's worth a look.
https://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries-memorials
https://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries-memorials
Posted by: javems at May 29, 2023 10:58 PM (AmoqO)
113
Bless you, @Mike Hammer, for remembering and honoring your friends who gave everything for people they didn’t even know. Incredibly humbling.
Posted by: Piper at May 29, 2023 10:59 PM (ZdaMQ)
114
That's where Chance Phelps, USMC was laid to rest. Taking Chance was a powerful account of that Marine's story. Being from Wyoming, it hit me hard.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (T/Lqj)
I cry like a baby during that movie. Don’t know why, but the portion of the movie where the vehicles on the highway in Wyoming pay respects to the hearse hits particularly hard.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (T/Lqj)
I cry like a baby during that movie. Don’t know why, but the portion of the movie where the vehicles on the highway in Wyoming pay respects to the hearse hits particularly hard.
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at May 29, 2023 10:59 PM (ZTJjv)
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*pours bourbon* ABSENT FRIENDS. SALUTE!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM
*raises glass*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2023 10:57 PM (Wnv9h)
***
They stood the line.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2023 10:51 PM
*raises glass*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2023 10:57 PM (Wnv9h)
***
They stood the line.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2023 10:59 PM (YGqO/)
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Dad never saw combat. Neither did I. All of Dad's sons served. Only one, baby brother, saw combat (and that was not lengthy, praise the Lord). We're all still here. For that, Mom is grateful.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
--------
I saw a lot of ladies dabbing tissue at their eyes today at our Memorial Day service at the W. NC Veterans Cemetery. One of the speakers was Anne Atkins, who is a Gold Star Mother (Iraq). She told a hard story of what the loss of her son, and aftermath meant. Lot of weeping folk, just from listening to her experience.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
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I saw a lot of ladies dabbing tissue at their eyes today at our Memorial Day service at the W. NC Veterans Cemetery. One of the speakers was Anne Atkins, who is a Gold Star Mother (Iraq). She told a hard story of what the loss of her son, and aftermath meant. Lot of weeping folk, just from listening to her experience.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (rLiBp)
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I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
Spread that faith, irongrampa. Evangelize and advocate for American ideals and the faith required to make them work.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
Spread that faith, irongrampa. Evangelize and advocate for American ideals and the faith required to make them work.
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (t+Wem)
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48 10 One of the ads I always see here is "4 Warning Signs of a Dying Liver." Has a colored pencil kind of sketch of a dude who looks like he's wearing a baseball uniform but with a giant red splotch on his ass.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (KFhLj)
I get those, I mean that flames out the ass one - damn. C'mon, I don't need to see that.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 29, 2023 10:06 PM (KFhLj)
I get those, I mean that flames out the ass one - damn. C'mon, I don't need to see that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (S6gqv)
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Dad was a Marine and served in Korea during the war. He never would speak about Korea and he never ate rice (because he saw how it was fertilized in Korea).
After Dad passed, we discovered from his discharge papers that he was one of the 500 Marines at the Frozen Chosun. All we knew about his experience was that he worked diligently to avoid frostbite.
After Dad passed, we discovered from his discharge papers that he was one of the 500 Marines at the Frozen Chosun. All we knew about his experience was that he worked diligently to avoid frostbite.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (vfKOf)
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107 I was too young to remember when the Vietnam memorial was constructed. First time I saw it I thought it was a terrific way to honor everyone who died there. And then later so found out that it was not universally appreciated initially. Which surprised me.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:55 PM (kNpet)
I think (not certain) that a Vietnamese girl's design was the one selected for the memorial, and some were offended that a person from the area of conflict was chosen over a native born American citizen. Then when it was built, the simplicity at first blush seemed insulting to the memories of those lost. But once people actually went to it and began reading names...it was a gut punch of emotions. And they seemed to agree that yes, it was a perfect monument to those men and women.
Posted by: Montec at May 29, 2023 10:55 PM (kNpet)
I think (not certain) that a Vietnamese girl's design was the one selected for the memorial, and some were offended that a person from the area of conflict was chosen over a native born American citizen. Then when it was built, the simplicity at first blush seemed insulting to the memories of those lost. But once people actually went to it and began reading names...it was a gut punch of emotions. And they seemed to agree that yes, it was a perfect monument to those men and women.
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (JrN/x)
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We're essentially a throw away society now.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 29, 2023 11:01 PM (CZBWZ)
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As a young LT in bomb squad school, we had HBO in the BOQ, and I watched Gardens of Stone. Perhaps because of where I was and my age, but I bawled my eyes out.
More recently, I watched Last Flag Flying. Steve Carrell, Bryan Cranston, and Laurence Fishburne. Not exactly a movie about heroes but in a lot of ways very real. Also made me bawl my eyes out.
More recently, I watched Last Flag Flying. Steve Carrell, Bryan Cranston, and Laurence Fishburne. Not exactly a movie about heroes but in a lot of ways very real. Also made me bawl my eyes out.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:01 PM (+NarO)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 10:46 PM (rLiBp)
Thank you. For them and from them.
Thank you. For them and from them.
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2023 11:02 PM (t+Wem)
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Dear Madam,
I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.
I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.
I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom.
Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,
A. Lincoln
Dear Madam,
I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.
I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.
I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom.
Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,
A. Lincoln
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 11:03 PM (MoZTd)
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i posted this earlier today, but it fits in this thread just as well...
years ago, we were headed to visit relatives in Nebraska at this time of year, and we drove across the east half of Kansas on the way. Lots of beautiful green, seemingly endless, farmland. We came up to one small town - didn't even notice the name - and as with all such towns, there was a small shady cemetery on the outskirts. It was still morning, and as we drove by, I noticed a pickup parked on the grounds, and an older gentleman sitting in a lawn chair under a tree next to one of the graves, all by himself.
to me, that image has always been what Memorial Day is all about.
years ago, we were headed to visit relatives in Nebraska at this time of year, and we drove across the east half of Kansas on the way. Lots of beautiful green, seemingly endless, farmland. We came up to one small town - didn't even notice the name - and as with all such towns, there was a small shady cemetery on the outskirts. It was still morning, and as we drove by, I noticed a pickup parked on the grounds, and an older gentleman sitting in a lawn chair under a tree next to one of the graves, all by himself.
to me, that image has always been what Memorial Day is all about.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 11:03 PM (S6gqv)
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I think (not certain) that a Vietnamese girl's design was the one selected for the memorial, and some were offended that a person from the area of conflict was chosen over a native born American citizen. Then when it was built, the simplicity at first blush seemed insulting to the memories of those lost. But once people actually went to it and began reading names...it was a gut punch of emotions. And they seemed to agree that yes, it was a perfect monument to those men and women.
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (JrN/x)
Maya Lin was born in Ohio to Chinese immigrants. But, yes, there was some concern expressed about an Asian designing that monument.
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 11:00 PM (JrN/x)
Maya Lin was born in Ohio to Chinese immigrants. But, yes, there was some concern expressed about an Asian designing that monument.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:03 PM (+NarO)
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Appreciate it, Mike Hammer.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 29, 2023 11:04 PM (+Wcyp)
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My Grandaddy served in WW II, the Korean War and Vietnam. My grandfather on my mother’s side, who had a silly nickname, served in WW II. He met my grandmother when they liberated France, later going back to get her, my mother and my Aunt to bring to the US. I noted earlier my Grandaddy had a silver star and Purple Heart. We never knew until he died. He never spoke of it.
Posted by: Piper at May 29, 2023 11:05 PM (ZdaMQ)
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I cry like a baby during that movie. Don’t know why, but the portion of the movie where the vehicles on the highway in Wyoming pay respects to the hearse hits particularly hard.
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at May 29, 2023 10:59 PM (ZTJjv)
LTC Michael Strobl was the officer assigned to escort Phelp's remains. His original account is extraordinary. Wyoming folk are the best folk.
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at May 29, 2023 10:59 PM (ZTJjv)
LTC Michael Strobl was the officer assigned to escort Phelp's remains. His original account is extraordinary. Wyoming folk are the best folk.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 11:05 PM (T/Lqj)
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A fitting and proper post for this somber occasion. Thanks, Buck.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 29, 2023 11:05 PM (s12c9)
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My eye allergies are working overtime right now.
Lord bless my Dad, Grandpa, brothers and cousins.
Lord bless my Dad, Grandpa, brothers and cousins.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 11:06 PM (T/Lqj)
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Tears flowing and prayers up for all the beloved soldiers/sailors/marines that didn't come home. May they await us in paradise.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 29, 2023 11:08 PM (vg8N1)
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It's a tad dusty in here.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 29, 2023 11:08 PM (+Wcyp)
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Junior was home for the weekend. We got to talking Bout Memorial Day, family, events, etc. He mentioned the first two times he saw me cry were the same day. WWII Memorial and Viet Nam Veterans Memorial.
Thank you to the brave patriots - both fallen and those still with us that have served.
Thank you to the brave patriots - both fallen and those still with us that have served.
Posted by: scampydog at May 29, 2023 11:09 PM (sBypW)
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133 It's a tad dusty in here.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
And somebody keeps chopping onion on top of it!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
And somebody keeps chopping onion on top of it!
Posted by: Piper at May 29, 2023 11:09 PM (ZdaMQ)
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The wikipedia article on Maya Lin has a section on the monument that is, surprisingly accurate and non-tendentious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Lin
Apparently it was Lin herself who described the design as intended to be a gash in the earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Lin
Apparently it was Lin herself who described the design as intended to be a gash in the earth.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:09 PM (+NarO)
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Damn allergies.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2023 11:12 PM (YGqO/)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 11:12 PM (MoZTd)
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Given our record of unbroken success in these matters, I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
If I ever meet you I think I will buy you a good bourbon.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
If I ever meet you I think I will buy you a good bourbon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 11:13 PM (lIySD)
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Vietnam memorial. Travel log. I was a tourist. By the time I was at the bottom, the tears were flowing and I didn't know any of them.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 29, 2023 11:14 PM (vg8N1)
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That's where Chance Phelps, USMC was laid to rest. Taking Chance was a powerful account of that Marine's story. Being from Wyoming, it hit me hard.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (T/Lqj)
The tour guide talked about Chance, and others form Wyoming. My wife got pretty emotional when we saw exhibits about the Seabees. Her dad was a WW2 Seabee from Cheyenne.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 10:54 PM (T/Lqj)
The tour guide talked about Chance, and others form Wyoming. My wife got pretty emotional when we saw exhibits about the Seabees. Her dad was a WW2 Seabee from Cheyenne.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 29, 2023 11:15 PM (soOQJ)
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Some more Lincoln:
"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
From his Second Inaugural. The man had a way with words.
"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
From his Second Inaugural. The man had a way with words.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:16 PM (+NarO)
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Good night good people!
May we never forget that we had such people to defend us, and may God bless them and welcome them home!
~H
May we never forget that we had such people to defend us, and may God bless them and welcome them home!
~H
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 29, 2023 11:17 PM (hOUT3)
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When my father died 8 years ago at age 86, it was on Memorial Day (and his remains are in a wall at Arlington). That date, May 25, 2015, was last Thursday and I did drink a shot of scotch in his honor, but given that we both served (him - navy, me army), I've come to think of him on the actual Memorial Day as well as the day he passed.
To all who lost their lives serving in the cause of freedom from tyranny and injustice, I salute you.
To all who lost their lives serving in the cause of freedom from tyranny and injustice, I salute you.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 29, 2023 11:18 PM (KAi1n)
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Given our record of unbroken success in these matters, I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
***
thank you. It's easy to be a pessimist. Gotta have grit to be an optimist. I choose the latter!
Fook those guys! Who's with me?!!
Yarrrgghhh! *darts out of room*
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
***
thank you. It's easy to be a pessimist. Gotta have grit to be an optimist. I choose the latter!
Fook those guys! Who's with me?!!
Yarrrgghhh! *darts out of room*
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 29, 2023 11:18 PM (T/Lqj)
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Given our record of unbroken success in these matters, I have full, unshakeable faith we will be victorious here also.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
If I ever meet you I think I will buy you a good bourbon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 11:13 PM (lIySD)
***
Caution Gramps. He'll slip in a rye instead.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 29, 2023 10:41 PM (KATBx)
If I ever meet you I think I will buy you a good bourbon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 29, 2023 11:13 PM (lIySD)
***
Caution Gramps. He'll slip in a rye instead.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2023 11:23 PM (YGqO/)
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Sometimes when they come home they don't quite make it. My mom's stepfather adopted her and her sister when he married my grandmother before WWII. From what my mom said they were very happy. He enlisted in the navy, and was crew on an LST, I think, that was part of the battle of Leyte Gulf (I think it was). He was wounded badly enough he was evacuated back to California. When he did come home for good he was an alcoholic, and soon after they divorced, but the damage didn't stop with them.
Posted by: Lirio100 at May 29, 2023 11:23 PM (w/VHS)
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It's a tad dusty in here.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Yeah, all day, actually. And the shit of it is that my neurologist tells me that I shouldn't drink. But...tonight seems like a wee dram is worth the risk. Brb.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Yeah, all day, actually. And the shit of it is that my neurologist tells me that I shouldn't drink. But...tonight seems like a wee dram is worth the risk. Brb.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 11:23 PM (rLiBp)
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Maya Lin was born in Ohio to Chinese immigrants. But, yes, there was some concern expressed about an Asian designing that monument.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:03 PM (+NarO)
Thanks blaster! I was relying on memory, not google. I appreciate the clarification!
Maya Lin was born in Ohio to Chinese immigrants. But, yes, there was some concern expressed about an Asian designing that monument.
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:03 PM (+NarO)
Thanks blaster! I was relying on memory, not google. I appreciate the clarification!
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 11:23 PM (JrN/x)
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>>We're essentially a throw away society now.
My little town has a lot of veterans largely because we are so close to current and former Navy bases and also because of being an original colony that has long ties to wars going back to the Revolution. I went to our Memorial Day Parade today along with a large number of my fellow town folks, from old timers to kids.
We honored service members from the Korean War through Afghanistan who attended the ceremony. The featured speaker was a Vietnam veteran who lost his legs in the war and is fixture here in town. The entire event from start to finish was beautiful and all about honoring those who served and the sacrifices they made.
Service members are anything but throw away here, they are celebrated and honored.
My little town has a lot of veterans largely because we are so close to current and former Navy bases and also because of being an original colony that has long ties to wars going back to the Revolution. I went to our Memorial Day Parade today along with a large number of my fellow town folks, from old timers to kids.
We honored service members from the Korean War through Afghanistan who attended the ceremony. The featured speaker was a Vietnam veteran who lost his legs in the war and is fixture here in town. The entire event from start to finish was beautiful and all about honoring those who served and the sacrifices they made.
Service members are anything but throw away here, they are celebrated and honored.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 29, 2023 11:26 PM (ZLI7S)
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Maya Lin described the trajectory of the war in her monument, which names every casualty.
Respect.
Respect.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 11:26 PM (MeG8a)
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A'ight. I am out.
Gonna lie awake and not sleep, for family reasons.
Long weekends suck sometimes, especially after a 7 hour drive home.
Toast to the family who have served. (and a sip for me)
Gonna lie awake and not sleep, for family reasons.
Long weekends suck sometimes, especially after a 7 hour drive home.
Toast to the family who have served. (and a sip for me)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, 3/12 FA at May 29, 2023 11:28 PM (T/Lqj)
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Thanks blaster! I was relying on memory, not google. I appreciate the clarification!
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 11:23 PM (JrN/x)
Hey! I used DuckDuckGo!
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 11:23 PM (JrN/x)
Hey! I used DuckDuckGo!
Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2023 11:36 PM (+NarO)
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Beautiful ONT, Buck
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 29, 2023 11:37 PM (VdN7z)
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If you have not read this remembrance, please do - http://www.northofseveycorners.com/write/ec-mem.htm
it is neo neocon/gerald van der leun, the creamed onions story - a tribute to his uncle, and a reminder of how foolish all of us are, having no war or depression; regardless of our troubles, we have it good here and now. Fight for America - and remember
it is neo neocon/gerald van der leun, the creamed onions story - a tribute to his uncle, and a reminder of how foolish all of us are, having no war or depression; regardless of our troubles, we have it good here and now. Fight for America - and remember
Posted by: Isolden at May 29, 2023 11:38 PM (dB99g)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2023 11:39 PM (YGqO/)
Posted by: JT at May 29, 2023 11:43 PM (T4tVD)
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NO REGARD FOR ANONYMOUS POSTERS
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2023 11:45 PM (rLiBp)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 29, 2023 11:46 PM (Dzf2t)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 29, 2023 11:51 PM (Dzf2t)
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MOSCOW — Russia’s Interior Ministry on Monday issued an arrest warrant for Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., following his comments related to the fighting in Ukraine.
MOSCOW — Russia’s Interior Ministry on Monday issued an arrest warrant for Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., following his comments related to the fighting in Ukraine.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 29, 2023 11:55 PM (63Dwl)
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And now, a Memorial Day message from Hillary Clinton, along with a 2-word response (no, not THAT 2-word response):
https://tinyurl.com/4de535na
(Nitter)
https://tinyurl.com/4de535na
(Nitter)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 29, 2023 11:55 PM (Dzf2t)
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MOSCOW — Russia’s Interior Ministry on Monday issued an arrest warrant for Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., following his comments related to the fighting in Ukraine.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 29, 2023 11:55 PM (63Dwl)
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https://tinyurl.com/2p848jpa
(Nitter)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 29, 2023 11:55 PM (63Dwl)
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https://tinyurl.com/2p848jpa
(Nitter)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 29, 2023 11:56 PM (Dzf2t)
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All I ask is this: That you live your lives worthy of those who gave their all - from "police actions" to silly little islands in the Caribbean to deserts and jungles and hedgerows against world-devouring ideologies and monsters to the training accidents and other dangers of military life.
Live not just in freedom, but for Freedom. Evangelize it - it doesn't carry on of its own momentum, as these brothers have reminded us. Tell its stories - its successes, its glories, the own sins which were fought to overcome, the essence of what has made America the great nation it has been for over 200 years.
Learn what makes that Freedom work. Learn what threatens it and fight against - with heart and speech, so to hopefully not have to fight with your blood.
LIVE IT! Be free as God intended, living in responsible freedom, enjoying an abundant life under the sheltering hand of Providence.
And never - NEVER - forget those who died for it.
RIP
Live not just in freedom, but for Freedom. Evangelize it - it doesn't carry on of its own momentum, as these brothers have reminded us. Tell its stories - its successes, its glories, the own sins which were fought to overcome, the essence of what has made America the great nation it has been for over 200 years.
Learn what makes that Freedom work. Learn what threatens it and fight against - with heart and speech, so to hopefully not have to fight with your blood.
LIVE IT! Be free as God intended, living in responsible freedom, enjoying an abundant life under the sheltering hand of Providence.
And never - NEVER - forget those who died for it.
RIP
Posted by: GWB at May 30, 2023 12:00 AM (t+Wem)
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And now, a Memorial Day message from Hillary Clinton, along with a 2-word response (no, not THAT 2-word response):
https://tinyurl.com/4de535na
(Nitter)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey
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Heh.
And now, a Memorial Day message from Hillary Clinton, along with a 2-word response (no, not THAT 2-word response):
https://tinyurl.com/4de535na
(Nitter)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey
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Heh.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 30, 2023 12:14 AM (lCaJd)
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My dad was a Seebee in the Pacific in WWII. I guess most of those men are gone now.
Posted by: AnnaS at May 30, 2023 12:16 AM (FnSbk)
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ZOD.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:20 AM (Q/6pY)
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161 MOSCOW — Russia’s Interior Ministry on Monday issued an arrest warrant for Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., following his comments related to the fighting in Ukraine.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 29, 2023 11:55 PM (63Dwl)
I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, my nationalistic tendencies say that Russia sucks and such foreign untermensch perfidy must not be tolerated. But on the other hand, my pragmatic tendencies say that Miss Lindsey is being a monumental pain in the ass, and like the basketball lady, basically walked right into it by being an asshole. And while I'm an America First sort of guy I am--perhaps *because* I am an America First sort of guy--somewhat ambivalent about US citizens that knowingly insert themselves in foreign affairs and then get burned, like the story of the guy who coats himself in honey and goes frolicking in the woods coming to the bad end.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 29, 2023 11:55 PM (63Dwl)
I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, my nationalistic tendencies say that Russia sucks and such foreign untermensch perfidy must not be tolerated. But on the other hand, my pragmatic tendencies say that Miss Lindsey is being a monumental pain in the ass, and like the basketball lady, basically walked right into it by being an asshole. And while I'm an America First sort of guy I am--perhaps *because* I am an America First sort of guy--somewhat ambivalent about US citizens that knowingly insert themselves in foreign affairs and then get burned, like the story of the guy who coats himself in honey and goes frolicking in the woods coming to the bad end.
Posted by: CppThis at May 30, 2023 12:22 AM (PZvjL)
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Tis time.
Y'all remember we are Americans, so that head is held HIGH and PROUD, as befits our heritage.
Goodnite, good people. Be safe and sleep well.
Y'all remember we are Americans, so that head is held HIGH and PROUD, as befits our heritage.
Goodnite, good people. Be safe and sleep well.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2023 12:23 AM (KATBx)
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My dad was a Seebee in the Pacific in WWII. I guess most of those men are gone now.
My grandfather was a seabee then.
*quietly admires AnnaS's onion belt*
My grandfather was a seabee then.
*quietly admires AnnaS's onion belt*
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 30, 2023 12:28 AM (KFhLj)
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Well, results are trickling in for the Alberta Provincial election. As of right now, 52 seats for the United Conservative Party, and 35 seats for the Godless Communists (aka NDP). And unsurprisingly, all but one of the Dipper wins are overwhelmingly "ethnic" 'hoods in the big cities of Calgary and Edmonton. The one exception is the extreme northeastern corner of the province, whose population is nearly 100% native Indian.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:32 AM (x8+Eb)
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All I'm saying is that if Lindsey Graham were ever to be on the receiving end of a Polonium Dart, I wouldn't be too broken up about it.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 30, 2023 12:34 AM (up/3i)
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Well, results are trickling in for the Alberta Provincial election
How about the Chicago and Philly wards?
How about the Chicago and Philly wards?
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 30, 2023 12:34 AM (BcWEu)
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How about the Chicago and Philly wards?
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 30, 2023 12:34 AM (BcWEu)
Need to open some Buick trunks for those.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 30, 2023 12:34 AM (BcWEu)
Need to open some Buick trunks for those.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:36 AM (x8+Eb)
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I worked in Iraq in 2010. This was around the time that everyone knew we were leaving--the soda choices were narrowing, the desserts in the icebox-cases ("Happy Birthday U.S. Navy" cakes) were hardening, AQI was concentrating on killing Coptic Christians (and others) instead of launching mortars at FOB Marez.
The base I worked at (Camp Baldwin, Joel E. Baldwin, USN, RIP 2005, Mosul Iraq) had photos of men who had died mounted on the plywood walls of the shack we worked in. These were not young men; they usually had children and wives--in their thirties due to their line of work. The interior walls of the shack were painted black; we worked within trying to locate and track "MEMS" (middle-eastern males) who were bedding down, to go to their houses and arrest them (if they'd be arrested; not all would).
I remember the plaques of those men on the plywood wall of that shack in Mosul, Iraq. Good men. Rest In Peace.
The base I worked at (Camp Baldwin, Joel E. Baldwin, USN, RIP 2005, Mosul Iraq) had photos of men who had died mounted on the plywood walls of the shack we worked in. These were not young men; they usually had children and wives--in their thirties due to their line of work. The interior walls of the shack were painted black; we worked within trying to locate and track "MEMS" (middle-eastern males) who were bedding down, to go to their houses and arrest them (if they'd be arrested; not all would).
I remember the plaques of those men on the plywood wall of that shack in Mosul, Iraq. Good men. Rest In Peace.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:43 AM (Q/6pY)
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As I have read remembrances throughout the day I have gained a lot of insight into the Morons I have met, or have read. Thank you.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 30, 2023 12:47 AM (BcWEu)
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>>But on the other hand, my pragmatic tendencies say that Miss Lindsey is being a monumental pain in the ass, and like the basketball lady, basically walked right into it by being an asshole.
Posted by: CppThis at May 30, 2023 12:22 AM (PZvjL)
He's our'n. Fuck them.
Posted by: CppThis at May 30, 2023 12:22 AM (PZvjL)
He's our'n. Fuck them.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:47 AM (Q/6pY)
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On my father's side of the family, there were 4 uncles and 2 aunts. Some uncles and an aunt were born in the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, with my Grandmother bringing herself and the little ones here right as The Balkan Wars started heating up, around 1910-11. My Dad and a few of his siblings were born here in the States, a mixed family if you will.
In WWII, all five brothers served in various branches. My Dad enlisted well before our entry into the war, in 1940. I know one uncle was in the Army at Hickam Field on 12/7/41. One, because of his multiple language fluency, was in Army intelligence. They all survived the war. In the little podunk Appalachian town where they were from there was one of those metal road markers that listed all those from the area who served. Some had a faded bronze star next to their names; they didn't come back. My Dad's and his four brothers' names were on that marker.
That little town is now dead as the 'business' area burned down and eventually fell in on itself, with only the elderly unable to move still living there. I hope someone saved that sign.
In WWII, all five brothers served in various branches. My Dad enlisted well before our entry into the war, in 1940. I know one uncle was in the Army at Hickam Field on 12/7/41. One, because of his multiple language fluency, was in Army intelligence. They all survived the war. In the little podunk Appalachian town where they were from there was one of those metal road markers that listed all those from the area who served. Some had a faded bronze star next to their names; they didn't come back. My Dad's and his four brothers' names were on that marker.
That little town is now dead as the 'business' area burned down and eventually fell in on itself, with only the elderly unable to move still living there. I hope someone saved that sign.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 12:48 AM (emlEe)
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If Miss Lindsey takes a polonium dart in the caboose would he even notice? There's a lot going on back there reportedly. Allegedly. And such.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 30, 2023 12:52 AM (KFhLj)
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I used to live across the street from a guy who, if he wasn't the oldest living seabee had to be darn close. He died about 2009, aged 102. I didn't know him well, but towards the end of his life I took him something, and was amazed when he seemed so excited to see me, and was so happy to talk to me. After a minute I realized he thought I was a younger relative of his who hadn't come to see him in about 15 years, and I decided that the nicest thing I could do was to be whoever he wanted me to be. We had a real nice conversation.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 30, 2023 12:55 AM (S6gqv)
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Lindsey Graham is an American senator. Anyone advocating his assassination by agents of a foreign totalitarian regime needs a cool drink of water and a mirror-talk. Sheesh.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:56 AM (Q/6pY)
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Lindsey Graham is an American senator. Anyone advocating his assassination by agents of a foreign totalitarian regime needs a cool drink of water and a mirror-talk. Sheesh.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:56 AM (Q/6pY)
It could be argued that he is also a traitor.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:56 AM (Q/6pY)
It could be argued that he is also a traitor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:59 AM (x8+Eb)
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Lindsey Graham is an American senator. Anyone advocating his assassination by agents of a foreign totalitarian regime needs a cool drink of water and a mirror-talk. Sheesh.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:56 AM (Q/6pY)
Concur.
I don't want to outsource the killing of US senators.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 12:56 AM (Q/6pY)
Concur.
I don't want to outsource the killing of US senators.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 01:01 AM (emlEe)
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>>It could be argued that he is also a traitor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:59 AM (x8+Eb)
That's absurd. We both know it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:59 AM (x8+Eb)
That's absurd. We both know it.
Posted by: ZOD at May 30, 2023 01:01 AM (Q/6pY)
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It could be argued that he is also a traitor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:59 AM (x8+Eb)
So you want a foreign power to enforce our traitor laws?
Nah, that's our job.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 12:59 AM (x8+Eb)
So you want a foreign power to enforce our traitor laws?
Nah, that's our job.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 01:02 AM (emlEe)
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So you want a foreign power to enforce our traitor laws?
Nah, that's our job.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 01:02 AM (emlEe)
The Russians aren't going to touch him, unless he is foolish enough to walk right into their hands. They know that assassinating him would be a casus belli for Pedo Joe, so they won't give him that.
Nah, that's our job.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 01:02 AM (emlEe)
The Russians aren't going to touch him, unless he is foolish enough to walk right into their hands. They know that assassinating him would be a casus belli for Pedo Joe, so they won't give him that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 01:08 AM (x8+Eb)
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Outsourcing jobs is an American tradition.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 30, 2023 01:08 AM (KFhLj)
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Well, I am going to go to bed. Night, Horde.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2023 01:43 AM (x8+Eb)
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So you want a foreign power to enforce our traitor laws?
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 01:02 AM (emlEe)
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A little bit of Russian collusion never harmed anyone.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 01:02 AM (emlEe)
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A little bit of Russian collusion never harmed anyone.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:08 AM (Dzf2t)
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American Military Cemetery Luxembourg
Pvt William D. McGee - Medal of Honor posthumous.
https://tinyurl.com/2p97754f
McGee, a medic of the 304 Inf/76th Inf Div, participated in the crossing of the Moselle River near Mulheim. The Germans had retreated but had sown mines. Two men were clearing them when a one detonated wounding both gravely. McGee went to their aid and managed to bring one man out safely. But while going for the second man, Pvt McGee stepped on a mine himself. Bleeding profusely from his wounds, McGee ordered that no one risk their lives to enter the minefield and render him first aid. So on the banks of the Moselle River on 19 Mar 1945 William D. McGee died from his wounds while displaying uncommon courage and concern for his fellow soldiers.
Pvt William D. McGee - Medal of Honor posthumous.
https://tinyurl.com/2p97754f
McGee, a medic of the 304 Inf/76th Inf Div, participated in the crossing of the Moselle River near Mulheim. The Germans had retreated but had sown mines. Two men were clearing them when a one detonated wounding both gravely. McGee went to their aid and managed to bring one man out safely. But while going for the second man, Pvt McGee stepped on a mine himself. Bleeding profusely from his wounds, McGee ordered that no one risk their lives to enter the minefield and render him first aid. So on the banks of the Moselle River on 19 Mar 1945 William D. McGee died from his wounds while displaying uncommon courage and concern for his fellow soldiers.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:08 AM (hk4qW)
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In just under 8 hours I am scheduled to start a new job. I've been out of work since early April and instead of getting a good night's sleep, I'm playing Sudoku and reading AoSHQ.
What do you think? Should I sort out my priorities or what?
What do you think? Should I sort out my priorities or what?
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 30, 2023 02:09 AM (iZEhM)
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191 In just under 8 hours I am scheduled to start a new job. I've been out of work since early April and instead of getting a good night's sleep, I'm playing Sudoku and reading AoSHQ.
What do you think? Should I sort out my priorities or what?
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 30, 2023 02:09 AM (iZEhM)
Negative Ghostrider, the pattern if full., you will never be able to completely over ride emotions... to try is to fail.
I can show you a US Navy evaluation from Desert Storm, from a CO that says 'He was the most calm person in a crises he'd ever met'.... yet internally? not calm... especially not later.
The key is to mitigate, not try to control... IMO...
What do you think? Should I sort out my priorities or what?
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 30, 2023 02:09 AM (iZEhM)
Negative Ghostrider, the pattern if full., you will never be able to completely over ride emotions... to try is to fail.
I can show you a US Navy evaluation from Desert Storm, from a CO that says 'He was the most calm person in a crises he'd ever met'.... yet internally? not calm... especially not later.
The key is to mitigate, not try to control... IMO...
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:23 AM (oHd/0)
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Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 30, 2023 02:09 AM (iZEhM)
Is your new job in a sleep study lab or a security guard at a museum?
Is your new job in a sleep study lab or a security guard at a museum?
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:26 AM (MNhXM)
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The key is to mitigate, not try to control... IMO...
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:23 AM (oHd/0)
Wow.... days old sock, how'd that happen?
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:23 AM (oHd/0)
Wow.... days old sock, how'd that happen?
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:29 AM (oHd/0)
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194 The key is to mitigate, not try to control... IMO...
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:23 AM (oHd/0)
Wow.... days old sock, how'd that happen?
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:29 AM (oHd/0)
Or... maybe... its the rum...
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:23 AM (oHd/0)
Wow.... days old sock, how'd that happen?
Posted by: John Casey at May 30, 2023 02:29 AM (oHd/0)
Or... maybe... its the rum...
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:30 AM (oHd/0)
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Lindsey Graham thinks it’s 1979.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:31 AM (MNhXM)
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If it was 1979, Jimmy Carter is President and Iran has American hostages.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:31 AM (hk4qW)
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In just under 8 hours I am scheduled to start a new job.
Congratulations! I hope it works out well.
Go to bed in a darkened room & even if you can’t sleep, you can rest…
Congratulations! I hope it works out well.
Go to bed in a darkened room & even if you can’t sleep, you can rest…
Posted by: Adriane the Critic . . . at May 30, 2023 02:32 AM (jonTH)
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197 If it was 1979, Jimmy Carter is President and Iran has American hostages.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:31 AM (hk4qW)
And... I joined the Navy.... /facepalm
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:31 AM (hk4qW)
And... I joined the Navy.... /facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:32 AM (oHd/0)
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If it was 1979, Jimmy Carter is President and Iran has American hostages.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:31 AM (hk4qW)
If it was Dec 79, the USSR invaded Afghanistan.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:31 AM (hk4qW)
If it was Dec 79, the USSR invaded Afghanistan.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:34 AM (MNhXM)
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If it was Dec 79, the USSR invaded Afghanistan.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:34 AM (MNhXM)
and we should have let them have it... that pile of sand is not worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE IMO.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:34 AM (MNhXM)
and we should have let them have it... that pile of sand is not worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:37 AM (oHd/0)
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And I think Iran took the embassy hostages just a month before that.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:37 AM (MNhXM)
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:40 AM (MNhXM)
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Thanks for the ONT.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2023 02:41 AM (/xaUq)
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And I think Iran took the embassy hostages just a month before that.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:37 AM (MNhXM)
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Here's a present-day hostage who needs our help and prayers:
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744575
If only he played basketball while wearing a bra.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:37 AM (MNhXM)
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Here's a present-day hostage who needs our help and prayers:
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744575
If only he played basketball while wearing a bra.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:42 AM (Dzf2t)
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203 Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:37 AM (oHd/0)
They had it for almost 10 years.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:40 AM (MNhXM)
And took constant casualties the entire time... Why we invaded Afghanistan to go after SAUDI ARABIAN terrorists... I've never been able to fathom.
They had it for almost 10 years.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:40 AM (MNhXM)
And took constant casualties the entire time... Why we invaded Afghanistan to go after SAUDI ARABIAN terrorists... I've never been able to fathom.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:43 AM (oHd/0)
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And took constant casualties the entire time... Why we invaded Afghanistan to go after SAUDI ARABIAN terrorists... I've never been able to fathom.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:43 AM (oHd/0)
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Simply put: Taliban's Afghanistan was a refuge, playground, and training base for the most extreme variety of Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:43 AM (oHd/0)
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Simply put: Taliban's Afghanistan was a refuge, playground, and training base for the most extreme variety of Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:49 AM (Dzf2t)
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And took constant casualties the entire time... Why we invaded Afghanistan to go after SAUDI ARABIAN terrorists... I've never been able to fathom.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:43 AM (oHd/0)
Well, when you have a president who holds hands with the king of Sowdi Arabia (bing search https://tinyurl.com/38v52zfx) that might answer your question.
Or, in one acronym, ARAMCO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 02:43 AM (oHd/0)
Well, when you have a president who holds hands with the king of Sowdi Arabia (bing search https://tinyurl.com/38v52zfx) that might answer your question.
Or, in one acronym, ARAMCO.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 02:51 AM (emlEe)
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Notice Afghanistan has gone the same way Libya has when it comes to the media.
Dem failures are ignored.
Dem failures are ignored.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:52 AM (hk4qW)
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Simply put: Taliban's Afghanistan was a refuge, playground, and training base for the most extreme variety of Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:49 AM (Dzf2t)
While I agree with all that, boots on the ground? No. Should have just bombed the shit out of it from afar, leaving any infrastructure a smoldering ruin. A lesson should have been made and, unfortunately, one was: Currently, the U.S. is a feckless ally with no stomach to fight a war to a successful conclusion.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:49 AM (Dzf2t)
While I agree with all that, boots on the ground? No. Should have just bombed the shit out of it from afar, leaving any infrastructure a smoldering ruin. A lesson should have been made and, unfortunately, one was: Currently, the U.S. is a feckless ally with no stomach to fight a war to a successful conclusion.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 02:56 AM (emlEe)
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Dem failures are ignored.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:52 AM (hk4qW)
What failures?
You're spreading disinformation! Quick call out the FBI SWAT team!
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 30, 2023 02:52 AM (hk4qW)
What failures?
You're spreading disinformation! Quick call out the FBI SWAT team!
Posted by: DNC Stenographers, a/k/a The Corporate Media at May 30, 2023 02:58 AM (emlEe)
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Currently, the U.S. is a feckless ally with no stomach to fight a war to a successful conclusion.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 02:56 AM (emlEe)
The problem is that we did not really set a goal for what was a successful conclusion. Democratic elections? We got that in both Iraq and Afghanistan quite a while back.
One could also argue that Ukraine is going along the model of just supporting one side without our boots on the ground. How is that going?
I am not arguing for a more muscular or personal investment in Ukraine, I am saying we are failing once again because we are taking the choice offered and still have no actual plan.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 02:56 AM (emlEe)
The problem is that we did not really set a goal for what was a successful conclusion. Democratic elections? We got that in both Iraq and Afghanistan quite a while back.
One could also argue that Ukraine is going along the model of just supporting one side without our boots on the ground. How is that going?
I am not arguing for a more muscular or personal investment in Ukraine, I am saying we are failing once again because we are taking the choice offered and still have no actual plan.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2023 03:04 AM (/xaUq)
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Is your new job in a sleep study lab or a security guard at a museum?
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:26 AM
I'm going to be an embedded systems programmer for a major manufacturing company. Instead of helping build the world's fastest computers, I'll be helping people drill for oil.
I swear this layoff thing is worse than the divorce. At least with the divorce I could take a couple of years to get used to the new situation. No more working on network devices, so the work has to be on-site. New company, new commute, new problems to solve, new cow-orkers and all that. I haven't had change this big since 2010.
Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2023 02:26 AM
I'm going to be an embedded systems programmer for a major manufacturing company. Instead of helping build the world's fastest computers, I'll be helping people drill for oil.
I swear this layoff thing is worse than the divorce. At least with the divorce I could take a couple of years to get used to the new situation. No more working on network devices, so the work has to be on-site. New company, new commute, new problems to solve, new cow-orkers and all that. I haven't had change this big since 2010.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 30, 2023 03:04 AM (iZEhM)
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I am not arguing for a more muscular or personal investment in Ukraine, I am saying we are failing once again because we are taking the choice offered and still have no actual plan.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2023 03:04 AM (/xaUq)
IMO the problem is more that the American people have no dog in that fight... and know it.
Washington will fail them... as it did Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Korea, and Viet Nam.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2023 03:04 AM (/xaUq)
IMO the problem is more that the American people have no dog in that fight... and know it.
Washington will fail them... as it did Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Korea, and Viet Nam.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:19 AM (oHd/0)
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Well, we made it through another Memorial Day. This time Pooky asked a question that's been bothering him for awhile: "If I had succeeded (at the suicide), would people remember me as an a**hole?" The people he knew that died were from suicide, sometimes by cop, and his career field was filled with... not nice people.
I replied that he'd be mourned as a son, husband and father; and reminded him that his unit tried to support him despite his superintendent's interference, and his commander moved heaven and earth to get him an Honorable Discharge. I hope I got through to him, his brain has been breaking in new and interesting ways lately.
I replied that he'd be mourned as a son, husband and father; and reminded him that his unit tried to support him despite his superintendent's interference, and his commander moved heaven and earth to get him an Honorable Discharge. I hope I got through to him, his brain has been breaking in new and interesting ways lately.
Posted by: pookysgirl, trying to stay out of psych textbooks at May 30, 2023 03:22 AM (dtlDP)
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Simply put: Taliban's Afghanistan was a refuge, playground, and training base for the most extreme variety of Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:49 AM (Dzf2t)
But was NOT where they came from. It's like saying 'hey... they drove through Kentucky, so even though they are a New York Gang... we need to send a bunch of cops to Kentucky to take down the Gambino Family.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 02:49 AM (Dzf2t)
But was NOT where they came from. It's like saying 'hey... they drove through Kentucky, so even though they are a New York Gang... we need to send a bunch of cops to Kentucky to take down the Gambino Family.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:22 AM (oHd/0)
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If the Gambino family was in Kentucky to rig the Derby, than maybe go to Kentucky to catch them red handed …
Posted by: Adriane the Critic . . . at May 30, 2023 03:25 AM (jonTH)
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Pookysgirl … may you be Blessed with Strength and Love.
Posted by: Adriane the Critic . . . at May 30, 2023 03:28 AM (jonTH)
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Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:22 AM (oHd/0)
Sounds like a movie tagline: "They sent a bunch of cops to Kentucky to take down the Gambino Family... Hilarity ensues."
Sounds like a movie tagline: "They sent a bunch of cops to Kentucky to take down the Gambino Family... Hilarity ensues."
Posted by: pookysgirl could throw out movie pitches for hours at May 30, 2023 03:28 AM (dtlDP)
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Posted by: Adriane the Critic . . . at May 30, 2023 03:28 AM (jonTH)
Thanks. Every day I keep him out of the psych ward, jail, or the morgue I count as a victory.
Thanks. Every day I keep him out of the psych ward, jail, or the morgue I count as a victory.
Posted by: pookysgirl, tiredly taking a victory lap at May 30, 2023 03:30 AM (dtlDP)
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IMO the problem is more that the American people have no dog in that fight... and know it.
Washington will fail them... as it did Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Korea, and Viet Nam.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:19 AM (oHd/0)
Well, that and also the people in congress and education have managed to eliminate people's understanding that the money they are tossing around is ostensibly theirs. That is the dog in the fight, but no one seems to look at it that way. So...
Another 25 Billion for Ukraine!
Washington will fail them... as it did Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Korea, and Viet Nam.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:19 AM (oHd/0)
Well, that and also the people in congress and education have managed to eliminate people's understanding that the money they are tossing around is ostensibly theirs. That is the dog in the fight, but no one seems to look at it that way. So...
Another 25 Billion for Ukraine!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2023 03:32 AM (/xaUq)
Posted by: Ciampino -- Cats everywhere at May 30, 2023 03:34 AM (qfLjt)
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Mazel tov Cybersmythe
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:35 AM (RIvkX)
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While I agree with all that, boots on the ground? No. Should have just bombed the shit out of it from afar, leaving any infrastructure a smoldering ruin.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 02:56 AM (emlEe)
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Fully agree.
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But was NOT where they came from. It's like saying 'hey... they drove through Kentucky, so even though they are a New York Gang... we need to send a bunch of cops to Kentucky to take down the Gambino Family.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:22 AM (oHd/0)
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Somewhat agree. RickZ's comment above should have applied to both Afghanistan and to Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 02:56 AM (emlEe)
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Fully agree.
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But was NOT where they came from. It's like saying 'hey... they drove through Kentucky, so even though they are a New York Gang... we need to send a bunch of cops to Kentucky to take down the Gambino Family.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2023 03:22 AM (oHd/0)
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Somewhat agree. RickZ's comment above should have applied to both Afghanistan and to Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 03:35 AM (Dzf2t)
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Laura Ingraham's entire episode last night was on the decline and destruction of San Francisco. Bravo, Laura.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:37 AM (RIvkX)
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Laura Ingraham's entire episode last night was on the decline and destruction of San Francisco. Bravo, Laura.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:37 AM (RIvkX)
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Needs a weekly series of a different city every episode. Should last for at least 1 season.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:37 AM (RIvkX)
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Needs a weekly series of a different city every episode. Should last for at least 1 season.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 03:41 AM (Dzf2t)
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226 Laura Ingraham's entire episode last night was on the decline and destruction of San Francisco. Bravo, Laura.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:37 AM (RIvkX)
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Needs a weekly series of a different city every episode. Should last for at least 1 season.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 03:41 AM (Dzf2t)
A different city ... in California every episode, even.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:37 AM (RIvkX)
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Needs a weekly series of a different city every episode. Should last for at least 1 season.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 30, 2023 03:41 AM (Dzf2t)
A different city ... in California every episode, even.
Posted by: m at May 30, 2023 03:45 AM (AOrJZ)
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SF might be more well known but Oakland is worse and Stockton even worse. Totally lawless.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 03:48 AM (RIvkX)
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I met a friend of a friend recently, third-generation Oakland family (Oaklandian?). The stories he could tell.
Posted by: m at May 30, 2023 03:53 AM (AOrJZ)
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Oakland and California are the predictable end-result of left-liberal governance
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:00 AM (RIvkX)
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Oakland and California are the predictable end-result of left-liberal governance
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:00 AM (RIvkX)
And having gangs as a voter base.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:00 AM (RIvkX)
And having gangs as a voter base.
Posted by: RickZ at May 30, 2023 04:03 AM (emlEe)
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So last week the Board of Stupidvisors met outdoors in UN Plaza "to address the fentanyl crisis."
Local TV news reports the session was shouted down and closed within 15 minutes. The meeting ended in chaos and a tranny was arrested for trying to throw a brick.
"I am putting everything on the line."
-Genius Mayor London Breed
Local TV news reports the session was shouted down and closed within 15 minutes. The meeting ended in chaos and a tranny was arrested for trying to throw a brick.
"I am putting everything on the line."
-Genius Mayor London Breed
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:07 AM (RIvkX)
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Local TV news reports an employee was stabbed in a popular and busy Chinatown bakery Monday morning.
The news reports no details of the actual crime or perpetrator.
The news reports no details of the actual crime or perpetrator.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:10 AM (RIvkX)
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Another report says the attack was unprovoked and a man was taken into custody on scene.d
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:12 AM (RIvkX)
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Posted by: JT at May 30, 2023 04:20 AM (T4tVD)
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232 So last week the Board of Stupidvisors met outdoors in UN Plaza "to address the fentanyl crisis."
Local TV news reports the session was shouted down and closed within 15 minutes. The meeting ended in chaos and a tranny was arrested for trying to throw a brick.
"I am putting everything on the line."
-Genius Mayor London Breed
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:07 AM (RIvkX)
I mean, almost LOL.
Local TV news reports the session was shouted down and closed within 15 minutes. The meeting ended in chaos and a tranny was arrested for trying to throw a brick.
"I am putting everything on the line."
-Genius Mayor London Breed
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2023 04:07 AM (RIvkX)
I mean, almost LOL.
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