DeSantis Signs Law That Strips Illegal Aliens of Their Drivers Licenses; Leftwing #Resistance Media Shrieks That Minorities Are Terrified of DeSantis

So let's get this out of the way.

DeSantis just signed a law that has illegals worried and the leftwing #ResistanceMedia shrieking.

Axios:

An undocumented 22-year-old woman sat on her bed in Tampa last week and called her mother, listening to the ringing tone, hoping for another option. When her mother answered, the sound of her soft voice reminded the woman there weren't any.
"We have to leave Florida," the woman said.
What's happening: A new law that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed this month to tighten restrictions on Florida's undocumented community is driving immigrants out of the state.
The legislation voids out-of-state driver's licenses for those without proof of citizenship, bars municipalities from using state money to issue identification cards for undocumented immigrants and requires most companies in Florida to verify the immigration status of new hires, among other restrictions.
It also repeals a state law that allowed some undocumented immigrants to obtain a license to practice law in Florida.
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State of play: Some undocumented workers in South Florida are not coming to work or they are leaving job sites because of the law -- which will come into effect July 1, CBS Miami reports.

CNN cries that blacks, Hispanics, and LGBTQ+ers aren't "safe" in Florida and should flee the state in terror!

Minorities, immigrants and now members of the LGBTQ community are being warned of the risks of visiting Florida after the nation's largest LGBTQ advocacy group issued a travel advisory following newly passed laws and policies that may be harmful to people in those communities.
On Tuesday, the Human Rights Campaign in partnership with Equality Florida, a state LGBTQ advocacy group, issued an updated travel notice outlining potential impacts of six bills that were recently passed, many of which have already been signed by the state's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.
"While not a blanket recommendation against travel nor a call for boycott, the travel advisory outlines the devastating impacts of laws that are hostile to the LGBTQ community," the advocacy group said in a statement.
Over the weekend, the NAACP issued a travel advisory for Florida "in direct response to ... DeSantis' aggressive attempts to erase Black history and to restrict diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in Florida schools." And days earlier, LULAC -- the League of United Latin American Citizens -- issued its travel advisory after DeSantis signed a new immigration law that will go into effect in July.
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LULAC and the NAACP have said actions under the DeSantis administration are "hostile" to their communities.
Tuesday's Human Rights Campaign and Equality Florida notice outlines updates made to a previously issued travel warning "to detail the impacts of laws that are hostile to the LGBTQ community, restrict access to reproductive health care, repeal gun safety laws and allow untrained, unpermitted carry, and foment racial prejudice."
The advisory highlights policies DeSantis has signed into law like new restrictions on gender-affirming treatments for transgender minors, drag shows, bathroom usage and which pronouns can be used in school.
LGBTQ advocates in the state criticized the legislation as a larger effort to erase them from Florida schools and society.
One measure prohibits transgender children from receiving gender-affirming treatments, including prescriptions that block puberty hormones or sex-reassignment surgeries. Under the law, a court could intervene to temporarily remove a child from their home if they receive gender-affirming treatments or procedures, and it treats such health care options, which are supported by the American Medical Association, the same as it would a case of child abuse.

DeSantis also signed a provision restricting teachers, faculty and students from using the pronouns of their choice in public schools. That bill declares that it must be the policy of all schools that "a person's sex is an immutable biological trait" and "it is false" to use a pronoun other than the sex on a person's birth certificate. It also affirmed that sexual orientation and gender identity cannot be taught in schools through eighth grade, codifying a state Board of Education decision to block such topics in all grades, from Kindergarten through 12th grade.

OnlyTrumpers keep insisting that this is all a Long Con and that the moment DeSantis gets the nomination, he'll "betray" us. This makes no sense. If you've spent five years building up your Italian restaurant into a huge success and finally secure financing to turn it into a national chain, you don't suddenly take that money and open a string of hot-dog restaurants. No, you do what made you successful, and what you've built your brand on.

Why would a successful politician throw away that which has made him a success, just to "betray" Republican voters?

This is what the kids call "a cope." It's fairy tale people tell themselves to cope with the truth that DeSantis is the real deal, and even if you prefer Trump -- fine, but please stop with the conspiratorial nonsense about a "Long Con." DeSantis' record is exemplary, and one tires of lie after lie about it. He at least has earned enough respect to be treated as a Worthy Adversary, and not constantly smeared as a very strange kind of long-form conman who just wants the nomination so that he can "betray" conservatives.

Oh, and by the way: If you say "other politicians betrayed us." No, wrong. Not like this. Other politicians offered you lip service with no action backing it up, mere words, mere promises that were immediately detectable as insincere when uttered.

Rudy Giuliani, for example, almost immediately revealed himself as a pawn of the open borders corporate conspiracy when he said he would not build a wall, but instead would create a "virtual wall" of drones and electronic monitoring.

Even the lip service offered by the open borders corporate conspirators has to be extracted from them under duress, because they so hated to even have to offer the Racist Promise of cracking down on illegal immigration.

Name one politician who offered this much actual legislative and executive power action -- acts, not words -- and then "betrayed" people by then suddenly reversing himself and doing the exact opposite when elevated to a new office.

You can't. No such examples exist. In all of human history, there are zero examples of this crazy scenario unfolding.

And for good reason -- because this is literally an insane thing to do, and people who keep insisting that this is a likely outcome are talking up insane nonsense as a cope.

Screwing over your voting base only makes any sense if there is some larger base with which you can replace the one you're abandoning. Given all of what DeSantis has done on pronouns, on banning CRT and gender theory in public schools, on ending DEI majors at Florida universities, at busing illegals to blue cities, on cancelling illegal's drivers licenses -- what liberal/moderate base could DeSantis possibly appeal to after he executes his Long Con and "betrays" the right?

What does "betraying" conservatives actually get DeSantis?

DeSantis has burned every bridge with the media and the NeverTrump/neocon contingent. They're now praising Trump in order to attack DeSantis.

David Frum
@davidfrum
"Failure to Launch"
The Ron DeSantis story

Can we please stop with the lies? It's extremely disrespectful to not only lie to someone, but to keep telling the exact same lies to someone.

DeSantis just said he'd review J6 convicts for a pardon starting Day One:

Clay Travis
@ClayTravis
Florida governor @GovRonDeSantis says on @clayandbuck if he's elected president that on his first day in office he will consider pardoning any January 6th defendant he believes was politically prosecuted from a member of the public all the way up to President Trump himself.

Before anyone calls that "weak" because he didn't promise pardons without preconditions -- neither did Trump.

"I am inclined to pardon many of them," Trump said at a town hall hosted by CNN at Saint Anselm College in New Hampshire. "I can't say for every single one, because a couple of them, probably they got out of control."
He added that "most likely" he would pardon "a large portion of them."
"And it'll be very early on," Trump said.

"Inclined to pardon many of them," a "large portion of them."

Just stop with the inevitable "But DeSantis didn't pass the J6 Test!" or whatever's coming next.

It's like when Trump and DeSantis answered Tucker Carlson's questionnaire about Urkaine. DeSantis called Ukraine a "territorial dispute" he wasn't sure the US had an interest in.

European allies "should be paying far more than we are, or equal." DeSantis told Carlson, "While the U.S. has many vital national interests… becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them."

He also said this:

"We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland," wrote DeSantis, who hasn't yet announced a 2024 campaign.

Then a couple of days later he changed the wording of his "territorial dispute" answer, and Trump's supporters claimed he was "weak" for "backtracking" and was secretly a Ukraine War supporter.

Except none of Trump's supporters bothered to check what Trump said. They were only interested in nitpicking DeSantis' answer -- and just assumed Trump was "strong' on the question.

He wasn't.

Trump also was "weak" on the question, and also refused to rule out support for Ukraine:

"Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference," Trump said. "Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal."

In case you're about to say "He didn't mean what he said," he decided to clarify that yes he means exactly what he said. He will continue funding Ukraine -- he just wants Europe to pay "more or equal" to what we pay.

When asked if opposing Russia in Ukraine is a critical U.S. national strategic interest, Trump said, "No, but it is for Europe. But not for the United States. That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal."

This is not a Shermanesque declaration that we will stop funding Ukraine. This is Trump quibbling about Europe paying more to fund Ukraine.

So he's going to give money to Ukraine, except in the case -- which will not happen -- that Russia stops prosecuting the war. If Russia stopped prosecuting the war, of course, Ukraine would not need our aid.

So he just committed to supporting Ukraine until and unless Russia abandons the war.

I don't really fault Trump or DeSantis for their positions. But what is driving me crazy is the claim from OnlyTrumpers that if DeSantis says anything less than "No money for Ukraine, not a dime more" he's a sell-out, but when Trump straight-up says he will continue funding Ukraine until Russia stops supporting the war, OnlyTrumpers claim that this is a really "strong" statement that the limp-wristed pansy who probably had affairs with men is too cowardly to make.

OnlyTrumpers apparently didn't bother reading Trump's actual response to the questionnaire, because the next day I was reliably informed that DeSantis was "weak" on the question, and Trump was "strong."

Well he certainly was "strong" in committing us to funding Ukraine until Russia gives up the war, I guess.

There's just a weird thing going on where DeSantis' actual accomplishments are dismissed as part of "the Long Con," whereas Trump's failures -- or his deviations from what his supporters thing a Strong Trump Policy should be -- are also dismissed. Trump gets credited for being "strong" whether he's weak or strong. His words are just rejected out of hand -- "We know what he really meant," OnlyTrumpers say.

Well, if you're giving yourself the latitude to edit Trump's words to make them align perfectly with your own policy preferences -- then why not provide the same service to DeSantis' words? Edit DeSantis' words like you edit Trump's words to make them say what you want them to say.

Of course, what someone says actually isn't even important. What they do is important. What they say is just hot air.

So I really don't care how "strong" Trump's f***ing Tweets or statements at rallies are. I'm going to insist on grading him by what he actually did, and failed to do, not what he said he would do.

Posted by: Ace at 01:07 PM

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:07 PM (LvTSG)

2 Why would a legal immigrant, naturalized citizen, or outright citizen of Latin descent be afraid of this ruling?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:07 PM (LvTSG)

3 Minorities are all illegales?

Posted by: henry at May 25, 2023 01:08 PM (JMDly)

4 Rudy Giuliani, for example, almost immediately revealed himself as a pawn of the open borders corporate conspiracy when he said he would not build a wall, but instead would create a "virtual wall" of drones and electronic monitoring.

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Scott Walker is another good example.

He had great action in one, very localized way. The second he was on the national stage, he finally had to deal with immigration, and he became just one more in the din of "we have to be compassionate on immigration including amnesty."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:08 PM (LvTSG)

5 Negates the Clinton era Motor Voter rules.
Long overdue.
CA actually issues their own counterfeit DL.
Says right on it "not verified".
I was thinking of getting a few.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 25, 2023 01:08 PM (MeG8a)

6 BOOM goes the dynamite.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:10 PM (v0R5T)

7 Funny, I thought proof of citizenship was a Federal requirement for employment.

Posted by: henry at May 25, 2023 01:10 PM (JMDly)

8 What did Rob Densantis sign?

Posted by: Scoob at May 25, 2023 01:11 PM (7rlWo)

9 How do illegals get driver's licenses when black people can't figure out how to?

Posted by: 29Victor at May 25, 2023 01:11 PM (BJKQV)

10 Lots of tribalism in the Trump and DeSantis supporters.

Posted by: davidt at May 25, 2023 01:11 PM (SYTee)

11 Grading a politician on their *actions* and not their *words?*

That's crazy talk! /sarc

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 25, 2023 01:12 PM (YIVH2)

12 I mean Rod DeSantis.

Posted by: Scoob at May 25, 2023 01:12 PM (7rlWo)

13 Wait — they’re self-deporting?!

We were told we couldn’t deport them and had to suck it up.
Huh, who knew?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 25, 2023 01:12 PM (jBJMB)

14 Hasta la vista Felicia.

Posted by: Y no regrese! at May 25, 2023 01:12 PM (SIX3A)

15 Until DeSantis reveals his position on carrots in chili, I'm on the fence.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:12 PM (a3Q+t)

16 How do illegals get driver's licenses when black people can't figure out how to?
Posted by: 29Victor at May 25, 2023 01:11 PM (BJKQV)
.......

It's a conundrum.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (v0R5T)

17 The legislation voids out-of-state driver's licenses for those without proof of citizenship, bars municipalities from using state money to issue identification cards for undocumented immigrants and requires most companies in Florida to verify the immigration status of new hires, among other restrictions.
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This isn't radical, it's overdue. The only downside I can see is on the first point, which might hit actual citizens who have moved or are visiting but have a records problem and so don't have proof of citizenship. I know people where this has happened, mostly old people who have seen their birth certificates lost or destroyed and can't get new ones because the original jurisdiction can't find them. That is a corner case, but a real one and also one that can probably be worked around.

Otherwise, this is largely righting wrongs. Illegal aliens should never have been granted state-issued IDs in the first place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (DU+/6)

18 Trumpservatives seem like Borg Collective Pedocrats, because before Trump - most of them were life-long Pedocrat voters.

I just block them on Breitbart, because it's the same intellectual dishonesty all the time.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (b306O)

19 "Funny, I thought proof of citizenship was a Federal requirement for employment."

I'll take "laws that are seldom enforced" for $1000.
Yesterday someone mentioned Federal penalties for failing to register for Selective Service, which are stiff.
I can't find a single example of someone being prosecuted for violations. They may be there, but I can't find one.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (MeG8a)

20 I love this movie! Though I wish DeSantis would just stay in Florida and keep doing what he's doing. Maybe it'll give some other govs a little spinal boost.

Posted by: NC Ref at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (fnmJK)

21 It shouldn't be easier to vote, or get a driver's license, than it is to buy a gun.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (a3Q+t)

22 Wait what? BadManDeSantis is going to enforce federal laws? He's 1000X worse than you know who man.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (OalnH)

23 At this point I believe no one.
Foreskins, nothing counts except foreskins.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (tA1/w)

24 Did the bill include language that functions as a reprimand against Nickelback for Dark Horse?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (LvTSG)

25 *waves*

"Bye bye!!!"

-- Sharkman
St. Augustine FL

Posted by: Sharkman at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (SSbWm)

26 Trump's followers believe that Trump believes whatever they believe that he believes. Reminds me of when Obama ran for his first term.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (BJKQV)

27 State of play: Some undocumented workers in South Florida are not coming to work or they are leaving job sites because of the law -- which will come into effect July 1, CBS Miami reports.
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Oh no.

Anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (DU+/6)

28 I never agreed with Ace more than this post.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (5DTn7)

29 If you're undocumented, ride a fucking bus.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (rJ48h)

30 27 State of play: Some undocumented workers in South Florida are not coming to work or they are leaving job sites because of the law -- which will come into effect July 1, CBS Miami reports.
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Oh no.

Anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (DU+/6)

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So, these employers will have to hire American citizens instead?

How awful for them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (LvTSG)

31 Wow. Good for DeSantis.

Still wish he wouldn’t run for President, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (TaJFV)

32 Did the bill include language that functions as a reprimand against Nickelback for Dark Horse?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM

I thought you were a Nickelback fan?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (a3Q+t)

33 Hitler vs Mussolini.

Posted by: Sid at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (cb+GA)

34 Ace, thanks for making counter arguments to Treehouse claims. I like to hear both sides and see who makes the most sense.

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (Emce2)

35 Thank you!
I listened to the launch last night and was thrilled. Then started reading Twitter and got very depressed. And the comments here....
I was accused of being swayed by your fanboy opinion of DeSantis. Hmmm. Maybe you were swayed by my fangirl opinion of DeSantis. Either way, I like that we are on the same page. (-:

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (t/2Uw)

36 Rudy Giuliani, for example, almost immediately revealed himself as a pawn of the open borders corporate conspiracy when he said he would not build a wall, but instead would create a "virtual wall" of drones and electronic monitoring.

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I often wonder about this. Area 51, I don't believe has many walls, and instead relies on electronic monitoring. If anyone trespasses, black ATVs and helicopters are quickly dispatched and intruders are chased away. Obviously, the sq. miles of Area 51 are much less than the southern border, but it also shows, if there is a will, there is a way.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (ZOqVG)

37 "It's a literal Undocumented Future Democrat Voter GENOCIDE!"

Posted by: ShainS at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (sJSOG)

38 8 What did Rob Densantis sign?
Posted by: Scoob at May 25, 2023 01:11 PM (7rlWo)

Rob

LMAO

another Mr. Gets

Posted by: Noah Cross at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (us2H3)

39 I've got no dog in the RdS vs DJT fight; I'll vote for either. But I do whole-heartedly endorse and second these laments:

"one tires of lie after lie"
"Can we please stop with the lies?"

Posted by: Check Out gp's Rehoboth Beach Tan! at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (MvF+J)

40 Why are the Leftists always against 'Democracy' when their opponents exercise it for real?

Posted by: Gref at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (AMIL/)

41 32 Did the bill include language that functions as a reprimand against Nickelback for Dark Horse?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM

I thought you were a Nickelback fan?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (a3Q+t)

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I cannot support DeSantis until he fully walks back his Nickelback fandom.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (LvTSG)

42 It moved.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (nsnF6)

43 Lol. If illegals leave all the red states for blue ones, the DNC will quickly change it's stance on illegal immigration.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (BJKQV)

44 On Tuesday, the Human Rights Campaign in partnership with Equality Florida, a state LGBTQ advocacy group, issued an updated travel notice outlining potential impacts of six bills that were recently passed, many of which have already been signed by the state's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.

"While not a blanket recommendation against travel nor a call for boycott, the travel advisory outlines the devastating impacts of laws that are hostile to the LGBTQ community," the advocacy group said in a statement.

Over the weekend, the NAACP issued a travel advisory for Florida "in direct response to ... DeSantis' aggressive attempts to erase Black history and to restrict diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in Florida schools." And days earlier, LULAC -- the League of United Latin American Citizens -- issued its travel advisory after DeSantis signed a new immigration law that will go into effect in July.
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If organizations and various states are going to start treating states like Florida as foreign countries, then they run the risk of encouraging those states to increasingly behave like they are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (DU+/6)

45 It's all a big "Meh" at this point.

If the primaries are the bellwether, then either Teh Donald or Heavy D will be the nominee. Then whomever gets the nod will have the election stolen right out from under them by the Deep State and the Democrat / Media complex.

Only an anodyne, pervert-friendly cipher like Pence, Sununu or Hutchinson will be allowed to 'win' the 'election.' The sooner everyone realizes this and stops pretending that "Trump hates DeSantis / DeSantis is betraying Trump" is anything other than kayfabe, the better.

Posted by: Hope Solo's Globetrotting Squeakhole at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (AW0uW)

46
Can we talk about DeSantis's great conservative initiatives without mentioning Trump?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (lCaJd)

47 Illegal aliens should not be able to work in this country. I worked for a company that paid a huge fine because they did not do their due diligence when hiring. Things tightened up after that or maybe the forgeries just got better.

Posted by: huerfano at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (7zEAH)

48 none of what you describe is a mystery, Ace.

it's a charisma thing. strength (cult? I hesitate to say that) of personality from a top-dog alpha vs a quieter beta.

personally, I've had enough excitement. we have serious problems to solve. I'm sick of the "burns" etc from President Trump. it is beneath him, the way he's been acting. he was out of control last night and the fact that no one is in a position to stop him from embarrassing himself anymore (so it seems) is scary.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (w0NJk)

49 I wish Desantis would finish his term in FL and continue to show the way for the other Governors.

He is a fool to run this round, imo.

Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (Tuo+M)

50 44 If organizations and various states are going to start treating states like Florida as foreign countries, then they run the risk of encouraging those states to increasingly behave like they are.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (DU+/6)

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Hey...someone had a theory about America bifurcating...

Who could that have been?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (LvTSG)

51 Why anyone would pay attention to Meatball Ron while Trump is still politically viable is beyond me. No one paid attention to Meatball Ron on his recent failed World Tour, even in Great Britain. Americans should also join in.

Deathsantis 2028! And NO sooner.

Posted by: Ultra Mega MAGA at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (Nn3xT)

52 Wait, TJM is a fan of both Prometheus AND Nickelback???

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (TaJFV)

53 I liked RDS's answers last nite and today. I could vote for him, but you nevertrumpers are full of it. So Trump should have came thru on all his promises? How?

Posted by: Eskimo at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (ZYNmu)

54 I prefer Trump. I would be perfectly fine with DeSantis.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (u73oe)

55 49 I wish Desantis would finish his term in FL and continue to show the way for the other Governors.

He is a fool to run this round, imo.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (Tuo+M)

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Meh. He is running.

I wish him the best.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (LvTSG)

56 Screwing over your voting base only makes any sense *if* there is some larger base with which you can replace the one you're abandoning.

...or if say, the "voting" result is pre-determined.

Perhaps I'm too young to be so cynical, but (large parts of) our culture is severely fcked up after years of propaganda and more from the very healthy Derp State at various levels of government. Let me know when feralgov employment has been reduced by about 95%, and ALL of the un-Constitutional BS departments and such are gone.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (llON8)

57 Never before has a dude got me so (figuratively) hard right now.

I hope it lasts longer than four hours.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (pzEjF)

58 "So he's going to give money to Ukraine, except in the case -- which will not happen -- that Russia stops prosecuting the war. If Russia stopped prosecuting the war, of course, Ukraine would not need our aid.

So he just committed to supporting Ukraine until and unless Russia abandons the war."

He also talked about making a deal to settle the war. What the US needs presently is a face-saving exit. Russia mostly has the territory it wants, and the key term of Ukraine not joining NATO isn't a big deal to us.

Realistically we could settle the war today as mostly status quo and returning Russia's access to markets.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (eYoxG)

59 Oh, and by the way: If you say "other politicians betrayed us." No, wrong. Not like this. Other politicians offered you lip service with no action backing it up, mere words, mere promises that were immediately detectable as insincere when uttered.

If we actually got "lip service", it would be an improvement. All I've seen are knives in our backs.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (N39Ws)

60 Rudy Giuliani, for example, almost immediately revealed himself as a pawn of the open borders corporate conspiracy when he said he would not build a wall, but instead would create a "virtual wall" of drones and electronic monitoring.

I would build a virtual wall with minefields and laser drones.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:17 PM (nsnF6)

61 I thought you were a Nickelback fan?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (a3Q+t)

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I cannot support DeSantis until he fully walks back his Nickelback fandom.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM

So you're a Nickelback fan, but DeSantis can't be?

I feel like I've wandered into Democratic Underground.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:17 PM (a3Q+t)

62 43 Lol. If illegals leave all the red states for blue ones, the DNC will quickly change it's stance on illegal immigration.

why would they? they'd get more Congressional representation this way, and continue to use Federal power to enrich themselves. they could care less what happens to the poor people who live in their states.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:17 PM (w0NJk)

63 Good news! BaseballCuck has endorsed DeSantis. Victory is on the way!

https://nypost.com/2023/05/24/finally-a-viable-
alternative-to-donald-trump-in-2024/

But, we're getting ahead of ourselves. How did the DeSantis rollout go last night? Amazing, right? Kind of odd that you didn't put more focus on it in the first thread of the day, when it went so well.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:17 PM (wFLK/)

64 Whoo- hoo! Ace kicked the hornets nest. Excellent post. Now I'm gonna read me some donnybrook.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at May 25, 2023 01:17 PM (kbeGA)

65 The fact is that exactly zero of the Trump supporters now bashing DeSantis were doing so this time last year. They had no problem with any of his policies then.

The only reason they're attacking him now is because he didn't "wait his turn" and decided instead to run.

I can understand people arguing that doing so will cause more harm than good for everyone concerned. But stop claiming that this amounts to "disloyalty" and proof of RINOism.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (MWuFG)

66 if trump is attakcing desantis from the left, then he's basically a utah rino to me (you know, the type that bemoans the base doesn't like science). or that guy from ohio whose dad was a mailman.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (MLrvz)

67 I have to stop lurking just to tell you a little family story:

One of my uncles lost his driver's license for drunken driving and repeated reckless driving. He was later caught with KY and FL licenses, busted, and went to jail.

One was from Kentucky, where my cousins lived. That sort-of made sense.

But Florida? He went there for a vacation, got a short-term construction job, and managed to get himself a driver's license despite living in a Motel 8 for just weeks.

Now it makes sense.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (yKPAy)

68 DeSantis has done pretty much everything you could hope a Republican governor would do.

On most issues he's been the best Republican governor since elected, and on the issues he hasn't led he's generally following the leader closely.

He has the exact resume as a governor that you would want for a presidential candidate.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (lc5cP)

69 100% u r correct, Ace! \nosarc.

Next up: trump is gonna build a wall and have mehico pay for it and then stop daca. after that: he hires only the best like Scaramanga, MAttis, Tillotson, etc,. and of course, China is gonna buy more of our stuff just like he promised they would after the last last deal. ETC.

Posted by: jb at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (MFMP+)

70 iirc, Obama made a trip to AZ when the Gov tried to enforce fed immigration law, claimed the feds get to decide what laws will or will not be enforced, and the courts agreed.

Posted by: davidt at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (SYTee)

71 David Sacks, the guy who co hosted Rob's twitter flame out

heavily backed Mtt in 2012

and backed Cankles even more in 2016

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (us2H3)

72 This is going to be one hell of a fun primary. I don't mean in the real world. I mean right here in the AOSHQ comments.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (YQ4mh)

73 It'd be concerning if Trump was pushing the notion of Ukraine's pre-war borders, or retaking Crimea.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (eYoxG)

74 I'm disappointed in the article about the (fictional) wetback calling her mother.

A more dedicated leftist scribe would have made up a quotation from the woman's four-year old daughter..."But mom, how can we go back to Shitcanistan...we were persecuted!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (ZCCyW)

75 >>> 10 Lots of tribalism in the Trump and DeSantis supporters.
Posted by: davidt at May 25, 2023 01:11 PM (SYTee)

Why can't we all just get along???

I think if we get either one as the next president, he will not get the results we want or need. So there.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (llON8)

76 >>Meh. He is running.

Yep.

And he's going to lose miserably.

Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (Tuo+M)

77 I am so over the Trump vs DeSantis wars.
This is the Left, GOP neocons and their consultants fanning the flames in order to destroy BOTH of them.

I will not join in. Each man has strengths and weaknesses; both are far better than Biden or any other Democrat. Period.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (jBJMB)

78 61 So you're a Nickelback fan, but DeSantis can't be?

I feel like I've wandered into Democratic Underground.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:17 PM (a3Q+t)

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I have no opinion on Nickelback or their music. I am neither a fan nor a detractor.

However, being a fan of Nickelback is pretty much the definition of unpresidential. DeSantis MUST walk it back!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (LvTSG)

79 And that's how you do it. Good on Ron.

Posted by: Bosk at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (VMFAF)

80 I love the article yesterday that was trying to tear down DeSantis but instead shored up his conservative bona fides. "He won't let schools give graphic ghey cp to middle schoolers!" Exactly, that's why I and anyone with even the tiniest shred of decency support the guy.

Posted by: They should all be assumed pesos and groomers until proven otherwise at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (SIX3A)

81 I don't mind the competition, in fact I think it's healthy. But what I find disconcerting is the lack of substance, the ad hominems, obfuscation of positions and the personal nature of it all.

The future of this party runs well beyond Trump, and a lot of this smells like an attempt to salt the earth if he doesn't win.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (ij5RJ)

82 "This is what the kids call "a cope.""

Also, constantly bringing up DeSantis's lack of "loyalty" to Trump. This is just so illogical on so many different levels, it's silly.

Posted by: hamitchell at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (kE/nb)

83 This is going to be one hell of a fun primary. I don't mean in the real world. I mean right here in the AOSHQ comments.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (YQ4mh)

Shut your commie whore mouth, you Trump/DeSantis supporter!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (ZCCyW)

84 The fact is that exactly zero of the Trump supporters now bashing DeSantis were doing so this time last year. They had no problem with any of his policies then.

The only reason they're attacking him now is because he didn't "wait his turn" and decided instead to run.

I can understand people arguing that doing so will cause more harm than good for everyone concerned. But stop claiming that this amounts to "disloyalty" and proof of RINOism.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (MWuFG)

Yep. If everything about DeSantis were exactly the same, but he wasn't running and just endorsed Trump, Trump and his friends would be talking about what a wonderful governor he is.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (x4T32)

85 @35

>>I listened to the launch last night and was thrilled. Then started reading Twitter and got very depressed. And the comments here....

I finally listened to the twitter audio and watched the Trey "F**King" Gowdy interview.

I agreed 100 pct with everything DeSantis said, but...

A. He comes off as a policy wonk.
B. Scripted to hit every beat just right.
C. Authentic but generic.

This moment does not call for a policy wonk, this moment calls out for a f**king maniac.

Donald Trump is that maniac.

Accept no substitute.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (up/3i)

86 Never before has a dude got me so (figuratively) hard right now.

Pffft. I could show you things

Posted by: Pete Bootyjizz at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (lc5cP)

87 Dude, FUCK OFF with this "oNLy tRuMpEr" bullshit.

Tell me how this in Florida plays in the 1) national spotlight, and 2) in a future DeSantis federal government

Oh, right - IT DOESN'T. I get it. This is the policy we want. It can be done at the state level, ESPECIALLY with a super majority in the Florida legislature. Does that translate to the federal government ? You and I both know the answer to that - NO IT DOESN'T.

So stop pissing on my leg and telling me its raining. This is great for florida, but MEANINGLESS outside of Florida.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (kYmXc)

88 What? You mean DeSantis is ~actually enforcing US and Florida Law~?

O Tempora! O Mores!

Posted by: FeatherBlade at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (ou9hh)

89
The last time I was at the DMV in a fairly affluent Pennsylvania community it looked like a Third World crossroads airport. I have no idea what kind of ID the state issues these folks but they're there for a reason.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (enJYY)

90 Florida governor @GovRonDeSantis says on @clayandbuck if he's elected president that on his first day in office he will consider pardoning any January 6th defendant he believes was politically prosecuted from a member of the public all the way up to President Trump himself.

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it's not enough. the doj gestapo prosecutors (and judges) need to get the treatment.

and the j6 peaceful paraders need 9 figure doj settlements

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (MLrvz)

91 Hope those pardons happen regardless. Stewart Rhodes was just sentenced to 18 years for existing on January 6.

Posted by: neverBiden at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (eIGHH)

92 76 >>Meh. He is running.

Yep.

And he's going to lose miserably.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (Tuo+M)

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That's my read, as well, though I'll vote for him in the SC primary.

I see no point in getting emotionally invested in this fight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

93 Ace, you Magnificent Bastard! I read your post and bravo.

I loved what Trump did and tried to do. However, he cannot win the general election. LIVs and Wine Moms will not vote for him. All of this talk from AlwaysTrumpers about sitting out the election if Trump is not the Repub Nominee is just ridiculous.

At least DeSantis has gotten a lot done and has shown to be a power to reckon with. He is more eloquent and not as abrasive. A happy warrior.

Trump beat Hildabeast, thank goodness. But if the Republicans nominate Trump, this country will be lost forever. He will not help Senate races and will not keep the House in the R column.

If Trump is the nominee I will vote for him. I am not holding a grudge because saving America is more important.

Posted by: Czech Chick at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (6Tc2R)

94 And what the heck was Trump's "red button" post last night. Even his son was like, WTF?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (ij5RJ)

95 . Each man has strengths and weaknesses; both are far better than Biden or any other Democrat. Period.

True.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (lc5cP)

96 83 Shut your commie whore mouth, you Trump/DeSantis supporter!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (ZCCyW)

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John Kasich is the only one who can overcome the mail in ballot fraud!

His dad was a mailman!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

97 it's a bit silly to bemoan desantis since they putting trump in jail

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (MLrvz)

98 >>> 50 44 If organizations and various states are going to start treating states like Florida as foreign countries, then they run the risk of encouraging those states to increasingly behave like they are.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (DU+/6)

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Hey...someone had a theory about America bifurcating...

Who could that have been?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (LvTSG)

IT WASN'T ME.

Posted by: BEN ROTHLESSBERGERER at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (llON8)

99 Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (kYmXc)

Now we reach the end-phase: OnlyTrumpers declaring that illegal immigration doesn't matter, and we don't need a chief executive who wants to enforce the laws. Basically three notches to the left of Jeb Bush.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (x4T32)

100 Both DJT and RDS are fantastic. I really wish DeSantis would’ve waited until 2028… the two best we have on our side slugging it out in a nasty primary is not good for us; no one needs to get “sharpened” by a primary…. Plus we need a DeSantis in every statehouse because I’m beginning to believe that’s where the real action is…. Let DJT tilt at the federal leviathan windmill.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (xT8gx)

101 Good for Governor Desantis with regards to taking away state issued I.D.'s for illegal immigrants because EVERY damn state governor should be doing it and instituting E-Verify.

So yeah, props on those but as to the other screeching from you Ace, it's kind of like hearing a kid acting up and then, when he realizes nobody is listening, acting up even louder until someone takes notice.

If you want to do the Desantis Bootlicking gig, go join his certified bootlicker boys of Mike Miller and Joe Cunningham over on RedState.com. Or as an alternative cope, maybe have some coffee to take the edge off. Geez dude!

I'm an ONLYTRUMPER and proud of it.

Posted by: Tracy at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (3ep4x)

102 And he's going to lose miserably.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (Tuo+M)

but he will be mean to Trump

that's what really counts

Posted by: Rove at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (us2H3)

103 You don't become famous building up a brand only to sell out and start producing low quality crap.

Posted by: Famous Amos at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (b80MX)

104 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)

105 Oh and this nonsensical little "Trump won't say he won't fund Ukraine" bullshit is just as precious.

DeSantis DID say that (past tense) and then his NeoCon funding told him that was off limits, so he revised that.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (kYmXc)

106 There's just a weird thing going on where DeSantis' actual accomplishments are dismissed as part of "the Long Con," whereas Trump's failures -- or his deviations from what his supporters thing a Strong Trump Policy should be -- are also dismissed. ...
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I don't think it's a long con. I do think that DeSantis needs to shore up a couple of areas. DeSantis is the strongest fighter on the culture front, and is top dog in that position. I think he's trying to please both sides on Ukraine, and he is going to have to make a firm decision on that. Where DeSantis has unknowns he needs to actively clarify and advance is on foreign policy and the economy. What are his proposals on border remedies? What is his opinion on trade as a policy tool? On the regulatory environment? What his is stance on bilateral international deal-making as opposed to big multi-lateral efforts? What's his position on Red China?

These are things I don't know, because the focus has been entirely on culture war stuff. I love that, and he's bad-ass there but there are other things he needs to put into his platform and loudly talk about.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (DU+/6)

107 John Kasich is the only one who can overcome the mail in ballot fraud!

His dad was a mailman!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

But his mom was married to a lineman.

Posted by: Whoops at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (SIX3A)

108 love this movie! Though I wish DeSantis would just stay in Florida and keep doing what he's doing. Maybe it'll give some other govs a little spinal boost.
Posted by: NC Ref at May 25, 2023 01:13 PM (fnmJK)

A number of GOP governors have been taking names and kicking the commies butt. It isn't widely reported because Florida, Texas, New York, and California are the only states in the Union.

Posted by: Beartooth at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (8vzCZ)

109 Stewart Rhodes was just sentenced to 18 years for existing on January 6.

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the insurrection that amounts to grannies taking a tour of the floor while shaman walked around by police.

wink and nod,my ass.

anyway, these gestapo agents in the doj need to see a florida jury or something

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (MLrvz)

110 Long time lurker, first time commentator. We have a lot of “rigging” and corruption to overcome. The only thing I want to hear from people is, “my candidate might be better and here’s why but we have two great candidates and I’ll support whoever comes out of the primary.”

Posted by: Seattlegrump at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (c5NAu)

111 Shut your commie whore mouth, you Trump/DeSantis supporter!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (ZCCyW)

I recommend an amendment to the AoSHQ Style Guide to "godless commie whore mouth"

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (pzEjF)

112 Over the weekend, the NAACP issued a travel advisory for Florida "in direct response to ... DeSantis' aggressive attempts to erase Black history and to restrict diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in Florida schools." [/]
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Hypocrisy knows no bounds. As the JJS link told us this morning, the Chairman of the NAACP fucking lives in Florida. So until the "virtue" signaling ends and he moves to San Francisco or Chicago or some other leftist utopia the NAACP can pound sand.

Posted by: Huck Folllywood at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (24b2w)

113 Llanteras hardest hit.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM (v0R5T)

114
I often wonder about this. Area 51, I don't believe has many walls, and instead relies on electronic monitoring. If anyone trespasses, black ATVs and helicopters are quickly dispatched and intruders are chased away. Obviously, the sq. miles of Area 51 are much less than the southern border, but it also shows, if there is a will, there is a way.
Posted by: washrivergal

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Yes. We're talking right here in this thread about illegal aliens avoiding or leaving Florida because of nothing but administrative and legal pressures.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (lCaJd)

115 'So I really don't care how "strong" Trump's f***ing Tweets or statements at rallies are. '

It sounds like Ace is starting to be Trump-fatigued.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (ruYJi)

116 "Of course, what someone says actually isn't even important. What they do is important. What they say is just hot air"

Indeed. And we have 4 years of Trump as President to show what he DOES, irrespective of what he said or says.

DeSantis ? We actually have ZERO evidence of what he will do as President. None. Zip, zilch, nada.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (kYmXc)

117 What's happening: A new law that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed this month to tighten restrictions on Florida's undocumented community is driving immigrants out of the state.

Good.

Being as you shouldn't be there in the first place.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)

118 I'm already sick of this shit. It's gotten to the point that every time I read someone backing Trump over DeSantis, or DeSantis over Trump, I'm tempted to just give up voting.

Column isn't so bad, but the stuff at other sites plumping for DeSantis makes me see why the Trump supporters distrust him. But it's not him, it's Redstate and PJM.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (TgBWG)

119 I don't trust ANY of then wholly any more. But so far the difference between T and D seems to be that T values traditionally American values but operates under the old idea that the establishment is basically pro America while D knows how to use the system to push back against the establishment goals and doesn't trust them. I really don't know if T has learned from his experience or not.

Posted by: azjaeger at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (RYZvD)

120 I love Trump but he better up his game.

My vote is officially in play as of this moment.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (LaNzR)

121 Just don’t see DeSantis getting even close to the 74 million, most likely more, votes Trump got.

I think DeSantis is a very good Governor. Wish he’d stay there and hone his political instincts. I have a feeling his advisors are trying to destroy him and Trump.

Neat.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (pD/XV)

122 Old Portland "progressive" belief: Millions of people will be moving to Portland next Thursday, due to climate change.

New Portland "progressive" belief: Millions of people will be moving to Portland next Thursday, due to people fleeing "Christofascist" red states.

Actual reality - Portland's county has lost 2.5% of its population over the last two years.

Posted by: Seven Days To Pride Month! at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (2tUFv)

123 @100

>>Both DJT and RDS are fantastic. I really wish DeSantis would’ve waited until 2028… the two best we have on our side slugging it out in a nasty primary is not good for us

Oh it even gets better, they want to pull SHS out of Arkansas to be VP, that great, just f**king great, the GOPe will get an Asa Hutchison NPC to take her place.

Does anyone know how to fight a f**king war anymore?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (up/3i)

124 Smokey schism in the air.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (rJ48h)

125 DeSantis has done pretty much everything you could hope a Republican governor would do.

Except finish the job he asked the voters to give him.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (uvymP)

126 Why would a successful politician throw away that which has made him a success, just to "betray" Republican voters?

"I have no idea."

- - - - Mitch McConnell n' Crew

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (Zz0t1)

127 The fact is that exactly zero of the Trump supporters now bashing DeSantis were doing so this time last year. They had no problem with any of his policies then.

The only reason they're attacking him now is because he didn't "wait his turn" and decided instead to run.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (MWuFG)

I don't have a problem with most of the DeSantis policies now. He's doing a fine job. Not as fine as the guy who reversed the Obama-era decline, brought forth the Abraham Accords, renegotiated a fairer NAFTA within a matter of months, ended Roe, and ripped the mask clean off the Epsteinites, but he's okay.

The problem I have is that he's on the leash of the GOP consultant class running his expensive campaign, and that his six week abortion policy is a career ender. The core arguments for RDS are electability and independent voters. He's enthusiastically blown that up to get to 20% in a primary. He's already done, even before last night's terrible rollout.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (wFLK/)

128 I fully support Ron DeSantis

Posted by: Karl "The Architect" Rove at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (flINI)

129 anyway I think Mr DeSantis sounds better when you can see him tallking, if that makes sense. His disembodied voice is not great for some reason. So while I enjoyed the questions and answers last night, it really wasn't the best format for him, he did answer very well however.

the only way out of the mess we're in is breaking down the massive govt we are getting crushed by. at the heart we need some way to break free - Elon is leading the way here as are Bitcoin companies, frankly. the Leviathan is NOT reformable.

Trump does not get this; DeSantis seems to. That to me is the most critical thing. and no, we can't wait until 2028. the hour is late.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (w0NJk)

130 Oh, and for the record, I don't believe for a single, solitary second that the Democrat fraud machine will allow either one of these guys to win in November 2024. So great that we have red on red infighting in the meantime, just like the establishment GOP and Democrats (but I repeat myself) want.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (kYmXc)

131 Floridian will miss the rich diversity of vans flying down the road with 8 ladders on top held on with 2 old bungee cords.

And mostly peaceful spring break riots and gang shootings.

Posted by: Ripley at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (cUYo/)

132 BRAAAP
Oh no, donde esta mi silenciador?
BRAAAP

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (v0R5T)

133 A troll in the last thread was saying that if you don't like your kids being converted to the gay lifestyle you're "cocooned in the past."

WTF?

Lots of people have been gross fags for centuries. How is that futuristic? How far have our standards fallen?

"You were promised flying cars and replicators.

You'd settle for iPhones and Lume deodorant.

You'll get wasted on Bud Light and pumped full of monkeypox by Clayton Kershaw of the LA Dodgers."

NO SALE, PAL.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (oINRc)

134
Column isn't so bad, but the stuff at other sites plumping for DeSantis makes me see why the Trump supporters distrust him. But it's not him, it's Redstate and PJM.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (TgBWG)

Well I've said from the beginning his greatest weakness is his supporters. Some are more obviously toxic than others, but many of the angles that get pushed make me more wary than I'd be otherwise.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (eYoxG)

135 Strange new HQ respect for Ben...
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro · 2h
Tonight was a perfect encapsulation of the campaign. If you're obsessed with the optics of the Twitter Spaces glitch, then you're probably not going to vote DeSantis. If you're interested in political substance, DeSantis is likely your candidate.

Is Nate Silver a new friend of the blog now too??
Nate Silver @NateSilver538 · 12h
Remains pretty amazing to me how disdainfully the NeverTrump crew treats Republican candidates other than Trump.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (Vwz3I)

136 as the rest of teh DEI drenched political establishment goes open tranny borders, only desantis seems to even care about normalacy.

trump is great and all but he wasted 4 years too scared to fire rosenstein or mueller, lest he get impeached by his own party, and he still got impeached twice anyway

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (MLrvz)

137
Long time lurker, first time commentator.

(blah blah blah)
Posted by: Seattlegrump

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All riiiiiight!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (lCaJd)

138 46
Can we talk about DeSantis's great conservative initiatives without mentioning Trump?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:15 PM (lCaJd)

Nope, just like one cannot defend obvious bias without saying they don't even like Trump, or they didn't even vote for him.

Posted by: Inogame at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (53oGX)

139 If 74 million votes doesn’t get the job done. I don’t know what will.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (pD/XV)

140 the only way out of the mess we're in is breaking down the massive govt we are getting crushed by. at the heart we need some way to break free - Elon is leading the way here as are Bitcoin companies, frankly. the Leviathan is NOT reformable.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well sure. But the establishment / deep state knows that. Which is why they hated Trump so, SO much. Trump will at least TRY. The establishment backed DeSantis ? Not so much.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (kYmXc)

141 Meatball/Shawarma-2024

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (nsnF6)

142 The problem I have is that he's on the leash of the GOP consultant class running his expensive campaign, and that his six week abortion policy is a career ender. The core arguments for RDS are electability and independent voters. He's enthusiastically blown that up to get to 20% in a primary. He's already done, even before last night's terrible rollout.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (wFLK/)

It will always astound me what people make these types of arguments, then demand Trump be the nominee.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (x4T32)

143 Column isn't so bad, but the stuff at other sites plumping for DeSantis makes me see why the Trump supporters distrust him. But it's not him, it's Redstate and PJM.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 25, 2023 01:23 PM (TgBWG)

Bear in mind that they're not doing it for free. PJM in particular would collapse without "investor" (oligarch) money.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (wFLK/)

144 demcrat fraud machine gonna have to work pretty hard to get biden reeelected

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (MLrvz)

145 That's it.

I'm voting Sanders. Bernie Sanders

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

146 Ace - did you coin the term "OnlyTrumper"??

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (8R5Il)

147 My concern is with two very strong contenders, Trump and DeSantis, this will split the patriot vote and we will end up with a third choice, conveniently supplied by GOPe. Hello Pence, Haley, or Jeb!

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (Emce2)

148 Shut your commie whore mouth, you Trump/DeSantis supporter!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (ZCCyW)

I recommend an amendment to the AoSHQ Style Guide to "godless commie whore mouth"
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM

I second the recommendation.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (yKPAy)

149 I see the future... and it is Ron DeSantis

Posted by: Earache Earacheson at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (flINI)

150 I love Trump but he better up his game.

My vote is officially in play as of this moment.

I love Trump too, but he made terrible personnel decisions in office (in part due to his relatives demanding that squishes be hired), and I don't appreciate his personal attacks on DeSantis. At all.

I'll happily vote for Trump if he gets the nomination, but I'm on Team Meatball Ron.

Posted by: Seven Days To Pride Month! at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (2tUFv)

151 Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022? Until those states fix their "irregularities", this is all kabuki theatre. No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (2D+TA)

152 134 Well I've said from the beginning his greatest weakness is his supporters. Some are more obviously toxic than others, but many of the angles that get pushed make me more wary than I'd be otherwise.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (eYoxG)

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Well, you could probably extend that to every politician. Their weakest points are almost always their supporters.

A whole lot of people who follow politics and get really invested (no one here) are...not that smart. They don't understand what they're talking about and it becomes a battle of talking points they don't understand and personalities.

Hence, there's this heavy emphasis on the morality of the candidate themselves from just so many people. It's easy to understand. "I can vote for Mr. X because he's a good guy."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (LvTSG)

153 49 I wish Desantis would finish his term in FL and continue to show the way for the other Governors.

He is a fool to run this round, imo.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:16 PM (Tuo+M)

he is running cuz it has been explained to him by his handlers that this is his shot

his handlers already got their horse for 2028 and it aint Rob

he's soon to be a politician with a home, unless he wants to challenge Marco or Rick Scott

Posted by: Rove at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (us2H3)

154 The only thing I want to hear from people is, “my candidate might be better and here’s why but we have two great candidates and I’ll support whoever comes out of the primary.”

Um, how hard have you been lurking?

Posted by: Kratwurst at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (oVN7e)

155 I posted something similar about a week ago. I think DeSantis is doing an excellent job in FL. If he's the nom, he has my vote.

His not answering whether he would run for president while campaigning for governor bugged me.

Changing the resign to run law for Ron looked awfully fishy

And changing the law to hide his travel records retroactively. Why?

Posted by: fish...thelowercase one at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (YypyN)

156 BRAAAP
Oh no, donde esta mi silenciador?
BRAAAP
Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:25 PM (v0R5T)

Did someone step on a duck?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (Zz0t1)

157 I like Ron DeSantis.

I just wish he would have waited until 2028, and supported Trump 2024.

Posted by: rd at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (8AKxt)

158 Well sure. But the establishment / deep state knows that. Which is why they hated Trump so, SO much. Trump will at least TRY. The establishment backed DeSantis ? Not so much.

fair enough

I think you're dead wrong tho

I think Trump was in fact "touchable" - he's not what he was. maybe Ron is captured too but at least it's up for debate. what happened to PDJT? he's a hot mess. it's not aging.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (w0NJk)

159 driving ~~immigrants~~ illegal aliens out of the state.
.......

Don't get pulled over until you hit the state line.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (v0R5T)

160 @141

>>Meatball/Shawarma-2024

You know, Meatball Ramaswamy does sound like it would be a delightfully tasteful Italian-Indian Fusion dish.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (up/3i)

161 Ace - did you coin the term "OnlyTrumper"??
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Goldberg.

Or Schumer.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (Vwz3I)

162 ok, i'm liking what's happening in FL more and more.

and i'll back either PDJT or Darth Santis, but the quibbling back and forth is already old.

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (Mkvkw)

163 If we've got Only Trump now then we've got Only Desantis too. The bottom line should be how do we win. Ever. I'm not seeing an Only Win on our side. Can't beat the dem cheat.

Posted by: NCKate at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (d5Qya)

164
And what the heck was Trump's "red button" post last night. Even his son was like, WTF?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM

It was a re-tweet of something that someone put a lot of work into. At first glance pretty offensive but it did hit the funny bone at the end.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (enJYY)

165 I prefer Heavy D, but am fine with Donald. Think it's good strategy for him to run, even if, as Garrett says, he's doomed this cycle. So what? It gets his name out, builds his org, and, if he finishes a strong second, puts him at the top of the list for 28- just like Ronny in 76, then 80.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (kbeGA)

166 If 74 million votes doesn’t get the job done. I don’t know what will.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (pD/XV)

Better quality candidates. Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (DRSnL)

167 26 Trump's followers believe that Trump believes whatever they believe that he believes. Reminds me of when Obama ran for his first term.
Posted by: 29Victor at May 25, 2023 01:14 PM (BJKQV)

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There are many parallels between the two groups. Very true.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (OalnH)

168 maybe, like before, Rob can get Trump to pull his ass out of the fire

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (us2H3)

169 As we have seen already, when red states govern responsibly/conservatively them become a bigger draw for Lefties fleeing blue states they’ve turned to sh$tholes.

If all red states follow DeSantis, the blue states will continue to fill with illegals, the lefties will flee and then dilute the locals’ votes to keep their red states stable and sane. See: Colorado.

This is why the NAAPC and others issuing travel bans is good

Posted by: Lizzy at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (jBJMB)

170 That's it.

I'm voting Sanders. Bernie Sanders
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

Howard Dean. YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHRRRR!!!

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (8R5Il)

171 Imagine Trump and DeSantis working together against the Democrat Machine. They're unstoppable.

We are once again our own worst enemy.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (ij5RJ)

172 Ace - did you coin the term "OnlyTrumper"??
Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (8R5Il)

Too poor. Couldn't spare the coin.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)

173
his handlers already got their horse for 2028 and it aint Rob

Posted by: Rove

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???
Who's the RINO we're being set up for?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (lCaJd)

174 Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (pVWRI)

175 and i'll back either PDJT or Darth Santis, but the quibbling back and forth is already old.
Posted by: SturmToddler at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (Mkvkw)

Cheer up, it's only 9 months until the primaries!

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (DRSnL)

176 65...I can understand people arguing that doing so will cause more harm than good for everyone concerned. But stop claiming that this amounts to "disloyalty" and proof of RINOism.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 25, 2023 01:18 PM (MWuFG)

My problem with DeSantis has been made very clear in the past, and it has absolutely nothing to do with RINOism.

If Trump lost the 2020 election the way that Bush I, Dole, McCain and Romney did in theirs, I would have absolutely no problem with DeSantis running in 2024, and would wholeheartedly back him. The problem is that Trump didn't lose the election. It was stolen from him. Stolen, with the help of the Dems, the Obama White House, and the Deep State, and the media. We don't even have to get into the weeds of what particular states did for me to say that. And, to top it all off, Trump - no matter what you think of his personality - was an *innocent man*. Innocent.

If the GOP doesn't unify around that message and make an effort to fix - really fix - the problem, we may only win 2024. Any effort to ignore the cheat and not run anyone else but Trump dilutes that message and will hurt us more in the long run.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (0QsXr)

177 The whole state is like Nuremberg with palm trees and beaches.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (lz5hY)

178 he's soon to be a politician with a home, unless he wants to challenge Marco or Rick Scott
Posted by: Rove at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (us2H3

It would have been easy for him to spend 2027-2028 as a "private citizen" focusing on the GOP. Much like Donald Trump did in 2015. It didn't happen: is that because the DeSantis legacy is expected to be torn down as fast as the Scott Walker legacy? Let's find out.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (wFLK/)

179 118
'It's gotten to the point that every time I read someone backing Trump over DeSantis, or DeSantis over Trump, I'm tempted to just give up voting.'

Not me. Either are acceptable. Trump slightly more so because re-electing him would shove the stolen 2020 election up the left's ass.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (ruYJi)

180 Oh it even gets better, they want to pull SHS out of Arkansas to be VP, that great, just f**king great, the GOPe will get an Asa Hutchison NPC to take her place.

Does anyone know how to fight a f**king war anymore?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (up/3i)
++++
Yup. My overall problem with this whole thing - and also why I don't much care who wins the nomination - is that I see the presidency as a false prize.

Suppose that the best man wins the nomination *and* the election and walks into the Oval Office. He will have little influence over any meaningful government operation or domestic policy. He will have influence over foreign policy and the regulatory environment, but he will be thwarted, disobeyed, conspired against, maliciously prosecuted, impeached and more on any meaningful domestic or intra-government issue. Washington, DC is fundamentally broken and likely irreparable. The Uniparty is opposed to any reform, as is the deep state. Having the best man in the world sitting behind the Resolute Desk just means that you're wasting the best man in the world.

Strong state leadership is where the opportunity is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (DU+/6)

181 During the 1940 presidential campaign, FDR promised, repeatedly, that the US would be involved in a foreign war. On October 30, 1940: "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

All the while he was engaged in secret correspondence with Winston Churchill.

So, it doesn't really matter what presidential candidates say now on matters of national security. Events have a way of changing things, and changing presidential conduct.

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (rj6Yv)

182 165 I prefer Heavy D, but am fine with Donald. Think it's good strategy for him to run, even if, as Garrett says, he's doomed this cycle. So what? It gets his name out, builds his org, and, if he finishes a strong second, puts him at the top of the list for 28- just like Ronny in 76, then 80.

agree Farmer Bob - good parallel

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (w0NJk)

183 You know, Meatball Ramaswamy does sound like it would be a delightfully tasteful Italian-Indian Fusion dish.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (up/3i)

I will please for to be making you an offer you cannot refuse!

Posted by: Cherry slushy on sale today! at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (SIX3A)

184 So, about that Civil War…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (TaJFV)

185 Trump and DeSantis can't split my vote because I would vote for Sean freaking Hannity for President before I'd vote for Biden or whatever Woke Commie the Left will run.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (PtcIc)

186 Clearly, Marco Rubio is the Unity choice!

He's even taking on Big Trans!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (Vwz3I)

187 Too poor. Couldn't spare the coin.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)

Not even a ha-penny??

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (8R5Il)

188 "Would NOT be involved in a foreign war."

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (rj6Yv)

189 130 Oh, and for the record, I don't believe for a single, solitary second that the Democrat fraud machine will allow either one of these guys to win in November 2024. So great that we have red on red infighting in the meantime, just like the establishment GOP and Democrats (but I repeat myself) want.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (kYmXc)

+++++
Absolutely true. I will vote however, as always.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (ZOqVG)

190 "Ron won't win because DJT voters will stay home in disgust"

Any DJT voter who stays home and sulks, allowing Biden to win again is retarded.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

191
Cheer up, it's only 9 months until the primaries!
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (DRSnL)

Trump will have been convicted by several nonexistent crimes by then.

DeSantis has this in the bag. As long as he doesn't step on his dick, he'll be the nominee and the dems will crush him like a grape.

Biden will get 92 million ballets counted, just to remind you who's REALLY in charge here.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (Zz0t1)

192 Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (DRSnL)

Aaaah right.

It’s been a long time since I’ve been around but do these people, whom I respect, who claim Trump can’t get the votes honestly believe that 2020 was legit?

Because I think that needs to be answered before we have any discussion about Trump or DeSantis.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (pD/XV)

193 I will NOT argue pro or con for either Trump or DeSantis. The both have basically the same platform. I would vote for each. Not going to participate in this horseshit. I'm out.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (BdMk6)

194 I'm good with Trump or DeSantis. Hope they would make Vivek the VP.

Posted by: Dingbat at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (dDC3n)

195 Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022? Until those states fix their "irregularities", this is all kabuki theatre. No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (2D+TA)
====================
Stop talking reality! Can't you see we are rolling?

Posted by: Huck Folllywood at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (AizHY)

196 Oh it even gets better, they want to pull SHS out of Arkansas to be VP, that great, just f**king great, the GOPe will get an Asa Hutchison NPC to take her place.

Does anyone know how to fight a f**king war anymore?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (up/3i)

Did you say that about Palin?

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (PtcIc)

197
Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022? Until those states fix their "irregularities", this is all kabuki theatre. No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM

I can't speak to the other states but Judicial Watch did get something like one million illegitimate voters off the rolls in three counties in PA state. That's pretty damn big.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (enJYY)

198 he is running cuz it has been explained to him by his handlers that this is his shot

And we are very close to a one-party Democratic dictatorship. I'm not sure 2028 is relevant if we don't win 2024.

Posted by: Seven Days To Pride Month! at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (2tUFv)

199
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (1ais2)

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I agree with all of that. I really wish he'd waited until 2028. I just feel like we're falling into a trap by making everything either of them does/says into a red-on-red battle of attrition.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (lCaJd)

200 Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

It's also not happening. I remember Richard Baris (LMAO) predicting that Brian Kemp was doomed because muh voters staying home.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (x4T32)

201 Maybe we can get the Japanese to clone Lincoln, next to one of those Mastodons. There's still time.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (ij5RJ)

202 Thank you, my friend. And my karate and MMA experience will help me clean house... and House.

Posted by: shawn hannity at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (Vwz3I)

203 Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022

///

or we learn to play the game there.

also, yes, the anti-D crowd (and the anti-trump crowd) is getting ridiculous. they sound like children, try to argue policies and shit, not personalities.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (MLrvz)

204 You know, Meatball Ramaswamy does sound like it would be a delightfully tasteful Italian-Indian Fusion dish.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (up/3i)

Oof. You're right! I know what of I speak.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (wFLK/)

205 178 It didn't happen: is that because the DeSantis legacy is expected to be torn down as fast as the Scott Walker legacy? Let's find out.
Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (wFLK/)

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Walker tore down his own legacy.

He was a conservative base hero because of his fight with the unions in Wisconsin. Instead of figuring out what the base wants on national issues, he listened to the GOPe donors and immediately embraces weak-kneed immigration "reform", knocking the wind out of his sails pretty much instantly.

It was like Kristi Noem being the cream of the crop because she was literally the only good governor on covid, and then she face-planted on trannyism.

Conservative icons get famous for one sliver of the conservative platform, and then they get corrupted on everything else once the money shows up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (LvTSG)

206 I like Trump.
I like DeSantis.
I would support both a Trump/DeSantis ticket or a DeSantis/Trump ticket.
And I think our great nation is in such mortal danger that it will take one of those two tickets to even have a chance of surviving.

Posted by: Traitor democrats, Raping, Trafficking and Mutilating the Children They Cannot Kill at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (0q+t6)

207 181 During the 1940 presidential campaign, FDR promised, repeatedly, that the US would be involved in a foreign war. On October 30, 1940: "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

All the while he was engaged in secret correspondence with Winston Churchill.

So, it doesn't really matter what presidential candidates say now on matters of national security. Events have a way of changing things, and changing presidential conduct.
Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (rj6Yv)

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I think an obscure event on Dec 7, 1941 changed the calculus.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (OalnH)

208 SO_

Trump or DeSantis
that's a head-scratcher, huh?
Thoughts?

Posted by: DB - author, So You Want To Be President at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (geLO8)

209 The oath-keeper guy got 18 years this morning. Eighteen fucking years for doing what Ray Epps did.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (KiBMU)

210
Not even a ha-penny??
Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (8R5Il)

You asked for it........

https://youtu.be/2ILSYWbV8_g?t=6

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (Zz0t1)

211 My concern is with two very strong contenders, Trump and DeSantis, this will split the patriot vote and we will end up with a third choice, conveniently supplied by GOPe. Hello Pence, Haley, or Jeb!
Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (Emce2)

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It will be hard to win if they are polling

Unless DeSantis or Trump are eliminated, one of those WILL BE the nominee.

Posted by: rd at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (8AKxt)

212 Analpundit italics, so strong, so feisty.

So Yawn Deblandis is just copying Trump . Ok, great. Still voting for the original.

Posted by: TransitionTranny at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (8rrX6)

213 190 "Ron won't win because DJT voters will stay home in disgust"

Any DJT voter who stays home and sulks, allowing Biden to win again is retarded.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

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Maybe, but any party that lets it happen deserves to lose as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (LvTSG)

214 128- excellent rebuttal that did not, at all, completely miss the theme of the post. You've truly exemplified our nickname.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (kbeGA)

215 That's it.

I'm voting Sanders. Bernie Sanders
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

Howard Dean. YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHRRRR!!!
Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (8R5Il)

I'm available.

Posted by: Al Gore at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (v0R5T)

216 92 76 >>Meh. He is running.

Yep.

And he's going to lose miserably.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2023 01:19 PM (Tuo+M)

Maybe. Trump and his surrogates don't believe this though. That's what they believe about Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, and why they are completely ignoring them. They are obsessed with attacking DeSantis, usually from the left.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (YQ4mh)

217 In before the "there's no sense in voting anymore" trolls.

Damn it.

*kicks dirt*

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (ij5RJ)

218 Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022?

Wisconsin banned drop boxes.

Posted by: Seven Days To Pride Month! at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (2tUFv)

219 197 I can't speak to the other states but Judicial Watch did get something like one million illegitimate voters off the rolls in three counties in PA state. That's pretty damn big.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (enJYY)

=========

"Oops..."
-PA Secretary of State, sending out a million "accidental" mail in ballots...again

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (LvTSG)

220 I was all for the primary deciding who would best represent the party until Trump started his typical name calling and dramatic posing. I voted for him twice and love what he has started but he has lost track of what is important. It just seems like this is all ego for him.
I'm ready for the boring policy wonk who knows how to get things done. Who does the research, has a plan and picks people who can carry out his visioin. DeSantis has done this. Trump did not. He thought his personal charisma would get him where he wanted to go but hired the wrong people to helo him get there.
Right now, it is the culture war that is overshadowing everything else. The left is winning. If you can put your political dissidents in jail for 7-18 years, we are no different than Russia or China or Iran. If yu reward your left wing militias in the street with money and fame you are no different than any 3rd word dictator.
I am really sick of this and do not want to wait til 2028 for this to stop. By 2028 it will be too late.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (t/2Uw)

221 Illegals SHOULD be scared. They came illegally.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (DcKNO)

222 Any DJT voter who stays home and sulks, allowing Biden to win again is retarded.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

See Georgia.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (PtcIc)

223 I'm going to insist on grading him by what he actually did, and failed to do, not what he said he would do.

With me the failed to do part that carries more weight. He failed to realize that lifetime government employees would flat out ignore what he told him to do and actively work in their departments to undermine him. Even after it became clear to most of us that is exactly what they were doing. Also he failed to adequately prepare and counteroffensive the upcoming 2020 vote fraud that was clearly out in the open and being even discussed here repeatedly in the spring and summer before the election. Does he have a plan for either this time, maybe, who knows? Don't really want to risk finding out.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (uNET+)

224 A few days ago, some idiot tried to crash a U-Hual truck into the Whitehouse. Today, another idiot tried to crash a car into the Brit Prime Minister's residence.

Obviously we need common sense motor vehicle control.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (Bd6X8)

225 In before the "there's no sense in voting anymore" trolls.

There's no sense in voting anymore, conservatives.

Posted by: The Democratic National Committee! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (2tUFv)

226 He's enthusiastically blown that up to get to 20% in a primary. He's already done, even before last night's terrible rollout.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (wFLK/)

It will always astound me what people make these types of arguments, then demand Trump be the nominee.
Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:26 PM (x4T32)

How so? Donald Trump has no problem campaigning in public, quite the contrary. RDS not only avoided Miami, where he is theoretically extremely popular, but did a glorified podcast without video. Only the true junkies could even sit through it all, unless they were really focused on something else.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (wFLK/)

227 DeSantis was on Glenn Beck today and was excellent.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (DcKNO)

228 Trump talked a big game, but never really did shit imo.

Like he "threatened" to start dropping illegals in Pelosi's backyard, but then folded.

DeSantis actually gets things done.

I wish we could have gotten the Trump that spoke at those rallies, but he left the governing to his Obama supporting son-in-law, Kushner.

I'm more interest in public policy wins than Tweets that make people mad.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (cOFom)

229 "His disembodied voice is not great for some reason."

I prefer reading transcripts to listening to speeches, so all these charisma and optics considerations are way above my paygrade. People typically prefer moving pictures and sound, but Fetterman and Biden both got elected, so if video of them talking had anything to do with that, that's even more inexplicable to me.

Posted by: Check Out gp's Rehoboth Beach Tan! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (MvF+J)

230 213 190 "Ron won't win because DJT voters will stay home in disgust"

Any DJT voter who stays home and sulks, allowing Biden to win again is retarded.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

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Maybe, but any party that lets it happen deserves to lose as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (LvTSG)

How do we motivate Trump's working class voters to turnout?

Don't know, but let's just slosh around consulting money like we do every cycle.
-GOP

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (eYoxG)

231 Does anyone know how to fight a f**king war anymore?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:24 PM (up/3i)

This. You said I better than I did

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (xT8gx)

232 It's gotten to the point that every time I read someone backing Trump over DeSantis, or DeSantis over Trump, I'm tempted to just give up voting.

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In 21st century America, this is like someone waking from a stupor in a gutter, looking down, noticing that both his forearms have rotted away, and saying "I think it's high time I quit shooting tranq-dope."

The time for that was long ago, my dude.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (oINRc)

233 No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (2D+TA)

There is a path to the presidency for a Republican that doesn't include PA, MI, NV or AZ.

But it includes GA, VA, and WI. And I do not believe that Trump can take those three. DeSantis? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on all three.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (ZCCyW)

234 Illegals SHOULD be scared. They came illegally.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (DcKNO)

One would think.

But no. Our media hates us and wants us to be replaced by lawn mowers and hotel room cleaners.

Because that's what Whatshername Schwantz says they all do.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (Zz0t1)

235 Asa needs to step up and put an end to this nit-picking.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (v0R5T)

236 Wow! Something happened to my comment? It should be

It will be hard to win if they are polling less than 10%, and Ron and Don are polling 20% and 50% each.

Unless DeSantis or Trump are eliminated, one of those WILL BE the nominee.

Posted by: rd at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (8AKxt)

237 I can't speak to the other states but Judicial Watch did get something like one million illegitimate voters off the rolls in three counties in PA state. That's pretty damn big.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (enJYY)

Were any of the counties Philly or Allegheny? When did that happen? Because 2022 results show big commie wins in PA.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (2D+TA)

238 Why would a successful politician throw away that which has made him a success, just to "betray" Republican voters
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Yes, why would Trump do this?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (Vhzin)

239 Hope they would make Vivek the VP.
Posted by: Dingbat at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (dDC3n)

He sure is saying all the right things.

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (Emce2)

240 229 "His disembodied voice is not great for some reason."

I prefer reading transcripts to listening to speeches, so all these charisma and optics considerations are way above my paygrade. People typically prefer moving pictures and sound, but Fetterman and Biden both got elected, so if video of them talking had anything to do with that, that's even more inexplicable to me.
Posted by: Check Out gp's Rehoboth Beach Tan! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (MvF+J)

Well there's an easy explanation for that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (eYoxG)

241 This busty blonde knows it's going to be a very long campaign season:
https://is.gd/HGoM2T

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (DU+/6)

242 I don't think it's a long con. I do think that DeSantis needs to shore up a couple of areas. DeSantis is the strongest fighter on the culture front, and is top dog in that position. I think he's trying to please both sides on Ukraine, and he is going to have to make a firm decision on that. Where DeSantis has unknowns he needs to actively clarify and advance is on foreign policy and the economy. What are his proposals on border remedies? What is his opinion on trade as a policy tool? On the regulatory environment? What his is stance on bilateral international deal-making as opposed to big multi-lateral efforts? What's his position on Red China?

These are things I don't know, because the focus has been entirely on culture war stuff. I love that, and he's bad-ass there but there are other things he needs to put into his platform and loudly talk about.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Very few people including here are policy wonks. Both DeSantis and Trump are acceptable enough and frankly I don't much care whatever crap du jour comes from the horse race and partisans of either side. But, we can get nuggets of information over likely policy stances over time with primaries.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (wUSgb)

243 Why am I having all my new employees provide proof that they are citizens and I fill out the I-9 form if it doesn't mean anything? Problem is some of our customers require background checks and confirmation that our employees are citizens. Mostly state work. How ironic.

Posted by: Jaimo at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (DBrN4)

244 Maybe, but any party that lets it happen deserves to lose as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (LvTSG)

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Wait, the GOP should no longer hold primaries?

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (DcKNO)

245 ya know, this is Trump's last rodeo

you would like to think that the NTers would just be satisfied knowing that Trump will soon be gone from the political landscape

but no, they demand to piss in the hole in which he will be buried

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (us2H3)

246 216 Maybe. Trump and his surrogates don't believe this though. That's what they believe about Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, and why they are completely ignoring them. They are obsessed with attacking DeSantis, usually from the left.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (YQ4mh)

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DeSantis is his only legit competition, and it's been obvious for months. Hence, all the attacks before DeSantis announced.

I assume the attacks from the left are designed to make DeSantis unappealing to more moderate GOP voters. It's a primary election. It's always, "say anything" and to act surprised when it happens...again...is silly.

I do think that the race is going to be Trump vs. Not-Trump. DeSantis will be the biggest "Not-Trump" but he'll still just be "Not-Trump" for most voters. He'll be interchangeable with Tim Scott or Haley for a lot of voters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

247 "Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (t/2Uw)"

That's a very good summary. It also echoes a lot of what the people I know who voted twice for Trump are thinking. People are tired of the old guys, their hobby horses, shibboleths and idiosyncrasies. They're tired of the personal attacks. They crave substance and a plan to get things done.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (ij5RJ)

248 What y'all fail to understand....

Trump will NEVER AGAIN be President. It will NOT BE ALLOWED. If you haven't yet figured that out, then there's no helping you. We need to move forward.

He will not be allowed to win. Fairness, elections, rallies.... nothing will change the fact Trump will not be allowed to win.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (/fpim)

249 How so? Donald Trump has no problem campaigning in public, quite the contrary. RDS not only avoided Miami, where he is theoretically extremely popular, but did a glorified podcast without video. Only the true junkies could even sit through it all, unless they were really focused on something else.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (wFLK/)

I wasn't talking about that. I'm talking about electability arguments coming from the supporters of Trump, who is wildly, incredibly unpopular with the general public.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (x4T32)

250 Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (uNET+)

This! 100% correct.

And from a Vermonter no less!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (ZCCyW)

251 How do we motivate Trump's working class voters to turnout?

Don't know, but let's just slosh around consulting money like we do every cycle.
-GOP
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (eYoxG)

If Trump isn't the nominee,, he needs to be the key campaigner in getting his working class voters to turnout. You think he will do it?

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (PtcIc)

252 I think NV did some reforms. GA did we heard how evil they were remember? and WI did as well

PA ... eh maybe but we are fully corrupt here. I dunno. MI and PA would need basically an uprising otherwise they are just "rotten boroughs"

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (w0NJk)

253 I realize Texas does not have a strong Governor form of government but he can sure promote policy and appoint conservative state offices.

Dan Patrick (Lt. Governor) and Dade Phelan (House Speaker) control the legislature. With what Desantis is doing in Florida is going make the next Texas election a barn burner. We're tired of the rinos in Texas.

Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (8uzBS)

254 DeSantis said yesterday that he will fire Wray on day one. In a recent interview Trump couldn't even bring himself to say that it was a mistake to appoint him in the first place (because we all know the man never makes a mistake), much less commit to firing him.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (xPl2J)

255 That's what they believe about Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, and why they are completely ignoring them. They are obsessed with attacking DeSantis, usually from the left.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (YQ4mh)

Do people really not get this? Donald Trump is fine with playing nice when he feels someone will eventually come around. Dr. Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, and I'm pretty sure he's buttering up Ramaswamy for this reason. But when people like Cruz/ DeSantis will never back him? Gloves off, baby.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (wFLK/)

256 230 How do we motivate Trump's working class voters to turnout?

Don't know, but let's just slosh around consulting money like we do every cycle.
-GOP
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (eYoxG)

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Anything else is less payolla for the consulting class! Why won't anyone think of the consulting class!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

257 In the corners of the republican boxing ring, we have a criminal of international proportions, who spews a volcano of lies at every opportunity, enriches himself in every way possible, and undermines the mechanisms of democracy in ways that were inconceivable just 10 years ago. Along his ignorance and stupidity, but allowing for his broadcast charisma, he is a horribly disruptive danger to the very fabric of America.

And we have an outright fascist, who is attempting to repress and destroy everything we who are moral and righteous have worked, fought, and died for since the Civil War. He has what might be termed, “a superior education”, which in his case is a load of books on the back of an ass, and although he lacks a certain political appeal to many, his message, which is clear and carefully researched, seems to resonate with a great many of the people who will be voting in the primary.

I just hope and pray that our candidate is not overshadowed by this Gladiator fight to the death and we become also-rans...and far outweigh the mentions of President Biden, who has stabilized the country and returned us to a variant of normalcy.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (JCZqz)

258 Only the true junkies could even sit through it all, unless they were really focused on something else.

Yes, that certainly explains why the servers were overloaded.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (eOEVl)

259 Will Abbott have the balls to do this?

The next step needs to be voiding any and all DL reciprocity agreements with states like NY, IL, and CA. Have an Illinois driver's license? Great. We will not honor that as identification to issue a new driver's license in TX. This needs to happen.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (z0DEK)

260 @209

>>The oath-keeper guy got 18 years this morning. Eighteen fucking years for doing what Ray Epps did.

Actually, he wasn't anywhere near the capital and never exhorted anyone to enter the capital.

He is now a political prisoner and will most likely be Epsteined.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (up/3i)

261 Mr. Trump you already "lost miserably ", several times. Mr. Trump, what would make TIIS TIME, different from all the other times??.

Posted by: runner at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (16bie)

262 That's a very good summary. It also echoes a lot of what the people I know who voted twice for Trump are thinking. People are tired of the old guys, their hobby horses, shibboleths and idiosyncrasies. They're tired of the personal attacks. They crave substance and a plan to get things done.

yes yes that exactly

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (w0NJk)

263 Posted by: Thesokorus at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (1ais2)

How about...

"Unlike Donald Trump, I'm not going to either blow a winnable election, or throw away my entire presidency on the off chance I do win."

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (x4T32)

264 If you want to do the Desantis Bootlicking gig, go join his certified bootlicker boys of Mike Miller and Joe Cunningham over on RedState.com.

Just to be clear here, you're telling Ace to get off of his own blog? Bold plan.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (nfrXX)

265 But it includes GA, VA, and WI. And I do not believe that Trump can take those three. DeSantis? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on all three.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (ZCCyW)

I live in the peoples socialist democratics republics of northern virginia wine mommies. Good luck winning in VA with all the fraud that happens in Fairfax County.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (2D+TA)

266 I think DeSants saw what happened to people like Chris Christie that tried to wait until their turn, and they were quickly forgotten.

I actually think Chris Christie could have made 2012 WAY closer than Romney made it.

Also, if Desantis "waits" I would guarantee you Trump runs again in 2028. Trump will run for President until he dies.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (cOFom)

267 Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022? Until those states fix their "irregularities", this is all kabuki theatre. No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM

Has Ron stated his stance on the 2020 election and the "irregularities" of those states? Same question about the 2022 Arizona governor election. I am a big fan of both DJT and Ron. I lean more toward Ron, but only if he is serious about acknowledging the crucial nature of election integrity and where there were obvious lacks thereof.

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (8R5Il)

268 Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (8uzBS)

I think we've done a pretty good job and can still do better.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (PtcIc)

269 DeSantis is the anti-McCain. I hope.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (LaNzR)

270
"Oops..."
-PA Secretary of State, sending out a million "accidental" mail in ballots...again

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM

Yeah, when I looked at the results from Arizona they sure did create a new set of "oops" - especially in red counties. No ballots, ballots sized incorrectly, machines died, etc.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (enJYY)

271 Leaning Trump because he is a known quantity. I like DeSantis for what he's done as governor. It's way too early to pick a favorite between them. I only hope that the resolution results in both men contributing to the cause of individual freedom, and the destruction of the institutions that threaten it.

Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (I8RRu)

272 Very few people including here are policy wonks. Both DeSantis and Trump are acceptable enough and frankly I don't much care whatever crap du jour comes from the horse race and partisans of either side. But, we can get nuggets of information over likely policy stances over time with primaries.
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (wUSgb)
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Yup, absolutely. That's me, too. *I* would like to know more about the other stuff, but ultimately - despite any calls for the opposite - a politician comes down to a brand. Trump is the bruiser and DeSantis is the culture warrior. I find either acceptable and am not sure I actually have a firm preference at this point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (DU+/6)

273 Moar rallies? Moar truth social??

Posted by: runner at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (16bie)

274 222 Any DJT voter who stays home and sulks, allowing Biden to win again is retarded.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

See Georgia.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (PtcIc)

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Yeah lots of people did that. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying they are retards.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (OalnH)

275 Obviously we need common sense motor vehicle control.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (Bd6X

You know they're already working on that, right?

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (Emce2)

276 If you want a guy who has been getting government paychecks his entire adult life, fine by me I guess.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (VpRzs)

277 No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (2D+TA)

There is a path to the presidency for a Republican that doesn't include PA, MI, NV or AZ.

But it includes GA, VA, and WI. And I do not believe that Trump can take those three. DeSantis? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on all three.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (ZCCyW)

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We need to learn how to ballot harvest and "cheat" as well as the Democrats. The only way to clean up the elections is to be better at cheating than the Democrats. Only then will the Democrats and their media lapdogs agree to laws to stop cheating.

Posted by: rd at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (8AKxt)

278 The whole state is like Nuremberg with palm trees and beaches.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 25, 2023 01:29 PM (lz5hY)
........

and Burmese pythons.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (v0R5T)

279 This busty blonde knows it's going to be a very long campaign season:
https://is.gd/HGoM2T
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (DU+/6)

She should start an Ann Landers type blog and call it "Busty Blonde Knows."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (Zz0t1)

280 Ok. Let's game it out.

A miracle happens and Desantis gets the big chair. (Not gonna happen)
He has to deal with the House and Senate. All this great stuff he's done in Florida will never happen in DC.
His ultra friendly FL legislature will pass anything he wants and stuff that he doesn't ask for. Not gonna happen in DC.

He can't win.
If he miraculously did, he would be, at best, useless and at worst he would go along with the uniparty so maybe the media won't say mean things.

"but Trump didn't do much!" Horseshit
"But Trump is divisive!" So? He pokes the uniparty in the eye and makes them twitchy.
"But Trump has baggage!" Again, so? He had it when he won the first two times.

Why settle for using a dishrag as a sling shot when you can have a nuclear flamethrower.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (Wy1BU)

281 I wasn't talking about that. I'm talking about electability arguments coming from the supporters of Trump, who is wildly, incredibly unpopular with the general public.
Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (x4T32)

That's just silly. Donald Trump isn't even unpopular with the GOP as a whole. He's the most successful Republican candidate ever, with wild vote gains outside the fanatically loyal party base, and it took overt fraud to deny him re-election. DeSantis's problem is that he can't say any of that.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (wFLK/)

282 "Why would a successful politician throw away that which has made him a success, just to "betray" Republican voters?"

Good grief. We've seen betrayal time and again.

The betrayal money is behind DeSantis.

DeSantis may not be a betrayer by instinct. but the pressure to betrayal from his Deep State-sympathetic big-money people will be intense.

Why take a chance when you have a guy, imperfect and infuriating as he sometimes is, who won't feel that kind of pressure?

Posted by: Stealth LOL at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (2lLpr)

283 244 Wait, the GOP should no longer hold primaries?
Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (DcKNO)

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I didn't say that, nor did I imply it.

If DeSantis wins the primary (which I doubt), then it's up to the RNC to appeal to Only Trump voters in ways that appeal to them.

If they don't, if they just tell them to get over it and who cares? Well, these people are generally not Republicans at all, and they won't vote. It'll be up to DeSantis and the RNC to try and get them to vote. That requires active effort.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

284 251 How do we motivate Trump's working class voters to turnout?

Don't know, but let's just slosh around consulting money like we do every cycle.
-GOP
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (eYoxG)

If Trump isn't the nominee,, he needs to be the key campaigner in getting his working class voters to turnout. You think he will do it?
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (PtcIc)

We've seen in off-cycle elections, Trump campaigns very actively and energetically for other candidates.

That still doesn't turn them out. Trump's popularity with these voters isn't easily transferrable, just like Obama's popularity. He can swing primaries but he can't get high turnout when he's not on the ballot.

GOP probably needs to build a turnout machines similar to what the Ds have.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (eYoxG)

285 Just to be clear here, you're telling Ace to get off of his own blog? Bold plan.

I believe the correct nomenclature is "Bold strategy, Cotton".

Posted by: Archimedes at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (eOEVl)

286 232 It's gotten to the point that every time I read someone backing Trump over DeSantis, or DeSantis over Trump, I'm tempted to just give up voting.

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In 21st century America, this is like someone waking from a stupor in a gutter, looking down, noticing that both his forearms have rotted away, and saying "I think it's high time I quit shooting tranq-dope."

The time for that was long ago, my dude.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Meh, if either Trump or DeSantis wins against odds, hurrah and we get a stay of execution for a couple of years like from 2016-2020. Simply put, national politics is so bogged down with trench warfare courtesy of the Deep State that reform is only possible at the state or local level.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (wUSgb)

287 We still thinking DeSantis is going to get 74 million votes? That 2020 was legit?

Asking seriously here.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (pD/XV)

288 Let's face it.. Unless Trump is in jail he will get the nod.. There is a good possibility he will be in jail.. Then what ? Hopefully DeSantis or someone else can get the Trump voters... Just not sure... It's moot anyway since I think Joe in his basement will be crowned again

Posted by: It's me donna at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (bs+z0)

289 It’s been a long time since I’ve been around but do these people, whom I respect, who claim Trump can’t get the votes honestly believe that 2020 was legit?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (pD/XV)

I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think there are a lot of people who think Trump won 2020, but don't like what he has said and done since.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (DRSnL)

290 DeSantis is a straight shooter, and isn't betraying anyone.

Well, except for the FL voters to whom he promised he wouldn't run for president, when he ran for re-election as gov. Its like having a cheating wife - hey she only cheated the one time, I'm sure she won't do it again.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (CecP5)

291 I honestly don't know how people can still think DeSantis isn't legit. I mean how much more does the guy have to do to prove himself? You like Trump better? Fine. But stop with this shit about how you need more time or you're still not sure about DeSantis. You sound like the guy who's dating a girl for 5 years but still isn't sure if she's the one. Yeah bro, she isn't the one, break up with her.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (OalnH)

292 233 No R will win those states. Hence no R Prezzy.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (2D+TA)

There is a path to the presidency for a Republican that doesn't include PA, MI, NV or AZ.

But it includes GA, VA, and WI. And I do not believe that Trump can take those three. DeSantis? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on all three.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (ZCCyW)

This is the problem, in a nutshell. Right now, there is no viable path to 270 for the GOP. In that environment, why would DeSantis waste his ammo fighting a rigged game. Better to work with Trump and the GOP (-e. Yeahright) to change it. By the way, the work to make the battlespace more friendly for the Rs was made infinitely harder when Ronna let the Dems steal the WI judge away from them in that last state election.

To win 2024, there has to be a legal ground game launched to win *right now*. Mitch and Ronna have shown no interest in doing so. Unless Heavy D is moonlighting interviewing ground forces to take over the Deep State while he runs FL, I don't see him cleaning the Augean Stables in '24, even with his stellar team in FL now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 25, 2023 01:40 PM (0QsXr)

293 You sound like the guy who's dating a girl for 5 years but still isn't sure if she's the one. Yeah bro, she isn't the one, break up with her.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (OalnH)

I dated my current wife for 7 years before we got married.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:40 PM (Zz0t1)

294 "How do we motivate Trump's working class voters to turnout? "

Honestly, if you don't show up for who ever wins the Republican primary, you should rethink your life.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:40 PM (ij5RJ)

295 289 Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (pD/XV)

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*waves!*

I was wondering where you had gone.

I'm glad you're not dead!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

296 That's just silly. Donald Trump isn't even unpopular with the GOP as a whole. He's the most successful Republican candidate ever, with wild vote gains outside the fanatically loyal party base, and it took overt fraud to deny him re-election. DeSantis's problem is that he can't say any of that.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (wFLK/)

By definition, any Republican president who won re-election is more popular than Trump. Trump lost he popular vote to Hillary Clinton. In neither of his two elections, did he match Mitt Romney's vote percentage in 2012. He's the first president since Hoover to lose the House, Senate, and Presidency in one term.

If he really were popular, you wouldn't have to resort to whining about fraud, as we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (x4T32)

297 Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (x4T32)

So 2020 was on the up and up is what you’re selling me here.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (pD/XV)

298 294 "How do we motivate Trump's working class voters to turnout? "

Honestly, if you don't show up for who ever wins the Republican primary, you should rethink your life.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:40 PM (ij5RJ)

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Well, that's certainly going to win elections.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

299
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think there are a lot of people who think Trump won 2020, but don't like what he has said and done since.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (DRSnL)

HOW DARE YOU!!!!!

You must be ALL IN AND SCREAMING or you're for BIDEN!!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (Zz0t1)

300 I'm an ONLYTRUMPER and proud of it.

Posted by: Tracy at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (3ep4x)

Declaring in public that you are a thoughtless drone.

Pretty bold!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (ZCCyW)

301 Meanwhile, the State Department explains that a key part of Democracy is allowing foreign governments to interfere in your elections:

US President Joe Biden’s Administration expressed concerns on Wednesday over a new Israeli bill that would significantly limit the ability of human rights organizations to operate in Israel and the occupied West Bank, Israeli media reported.

According to the Israeli newspaper The Times of Israel, “the legislation, drafted by Likud MK Ariel Kallner, was slated to be brought before the Knesset’s high-level Ministerial Committee for Legislation on Sunday.”

The bill states that nonprofit organizations receiving donations from a foreign government would no longer be eligible for tax exemptions. Therefore, the new legislation would impose a 65% income tax on these groups. If adopted, the new tax will have a serious impact on their ability to operate.

Some of Israel’s most prominent and best-known rights organizations, including Breaking the Silence, B’Tselem, Peace Now, and Yesh Din, rely on foreign funding from the European Union and the United States.

Posted by: Seven Days Until Pride Month! at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (2tUFv)

302 I think an obscure event on Dec 7, 1941 changed the calculus.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:32 PM (OalnH)

Not really. We were already in a hot-war conflict with Germany in the North Atlantic. During the search for the Bismarck, one of the crewmen in the American-built PBY Catalina that spotted the German BB was a USN officer. The point is, FDR ran his 1940 campaign on a no involvement peace pledge while at the same time he was pushing the country towards war with the Axis. He made the right decision, of course, but he couldn't and wouldn't move ahead of the electorate's consensus.

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (rj6Yv)

303 It’s been a long time since I’ve been around but do these people, whom I respect, who claim Trump can’t get the votes honestly believe that 2020 was legit?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:31 PM (pD/XV)

I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think there are a lot of people who think Trump won 2020, but don't like what he has said and done since.
Posted by: Jordan61

Exactly that.

Posted by: runner at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (16bie)

304 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (CecP5)

DeSantis never promised he wouldn't run for president. The people at his rallies shouting "Two More Years" knew what was up.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (x4T32)

305 what moon over vermont is not strictly true. Trump was warning state legislatures vehemently to get their voting policies corrected from all the covid rule changes that helped throw the election.

Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (8uzBS)

306 This busty blonde knows it's going to be a very long campaign season:
https://is.gd/HGoM2T
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:35 PM (DU+/6)
.......

She's got my vote.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (v0R5T)

307 300 Declaring in public that you are a thoughtless drone.

Pretty bold!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (ZCCyW)

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I've changed my mind. I'm not Only Kasich, I'm Only Kemp!

Raise Jack Kemp from the dead and run him for president! I will accept no less!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (LvTSG)

308 300 I'm an ONLYTRUMPER and proud of it.

Posted by: Tracy at May 25, 2023 01:21 PM (3ep4x)

Declaring in public that you are a thoughtless drone.

Pretty bold!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (ZCCyW)

Oh…

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (PCK5/)

309 DeSantis is his only legit competition, and it's been obvious for months. Hence, all the attacks before DeSantis announced.

I assume the attacks from the left are designed to make DeSantis unappealing to more moderate GOP voters. It's a primary election. It's always, "say anything" and to act surprised when it happens...again...is silly.

I do think that the race is going to be Trump vs. Not-Trump. DeSantis will be the biggest "Not-Trump" but he'll still just be "Not-Trump" for most voters. He'll be interchangeable with Tim Scott or Haley for a lot of voters.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

This doesn't make sense to me. RFK Jr is Biden's biggest competitor too, but Biden and his surrogates aren't attacking him. They're ignoring him because he is actually as insignificant a threat as OnlyTrumpers pretend DeSantis is. He's a threat, so it makes sense to go after him. What doesn't make sense is to obsess over DeSantis, and at the same time claim he has no chance and is going to lose BIGLY. He's a threat. He could win. Trump ought to go after him and he is.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (YQ4mh)

310 President Biden, who has stabilized the country and returned us to a variant of normalcy.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 25, 2023 01:37 PM (JCZqz)

There's that alternate universe again. This is very puzzling to me how a person can remain so insulated from reality.

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (Emce2)

311 He has to deal with the House and Senate. All this great stuff he's done in Florida will never happen in DC.
His ultra friendly FL legislature will pass anything he wants and stuff that he doesn't ask for. Not gonna happen in DC.

You have no basis for such a sweeping statement. In fact the opposite is more likely considering he was a congressman before. He knows how it works in DC.

Posted by: weft cut looop at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (jzzG8)

312 Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (DRSnL)

That’s fine but doesn’t answer my questions. Was 2020 fair? Does DeSantis break Trumps record turnout and improvement?

If your answers to those are yes, then, I’m not really sure we see things the same.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (pD/XV)

313 DeSantis may not be a betrayer by instinct. but the pressure to betrayal from his Deep State-sympathetic big-money people will be intense.
Posted by: Stealth LOL at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (2lLpr)

Wouldn't he already be President at that point? What is the incentive?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (nsnF6)

314 DeSantis is a straight shooter, and isn't betraying anyone.

Well, except for the FL voters to whom he promised he wouldn't run for president, when he ran for re-election as gov.

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So you mean like every other person who ever was an elected official and ran for president?

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (OalnH)

315 "But it includes GA, VA, and WI. And I do not believe that Trump can take those three. DeSantis? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on all three.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:34 PM (ZCCyW) "

This is extraordinarily close to the mark. The path is narrow and the problem with successfully making that journey is the candidate.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (ij5RJ)

316 309 This doesn't make sense to me. RFK Jr is Biden's biggest competitor too, but Biden and his surrogates aren't attacking him. They're ignoring him because he is actually as insignificant a threat as OnlyTrumpers pretend DeSantis is. He's a threat, so it makes sense to go after him. What doesn't make sense is to obsess over DeSantis, and at the same time claim he has no chance and is going to lose BIGLY. He's a threat. He could win. Trump ought to go after him and he is.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (YQ4mh)

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I'm reading the situation differently from the Trump campaign.

Is that allowed?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (LvTSG)

317 GOP probably needs to build a turnout machines similar to what the Ds have.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

Simply put, they can't. GOP campaign consultants are basically stuck in the Bush era and use a) stale robocalls and mailers, b) negative media ads, c) emphasizing wedge issues like gay marriage/etc. d) are financed by whale GOP donors that are not in the least conservative.
None of that involves voter outreach, involvement, etc. The GOP basically encourages passivity and stupid gotcha outrage tactics to feed their donor lists for calling, mailers, etc.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (wUSgb)

318 and then she face-planted on trannyism.

That happened to me just the other day! I told the missus I slipped and suddenly there was ladypeen in my mouth. And what that happens what is a fiercely heterosexual Christian man to do?!?

Posted by: David French at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (lc5cP)

319 291 I honestly don't know how people can still think DeSantis isn't legit. I mean how much more does the guy have to do to prove himself? You like Trump better? Fine. But stop with this shit about how you need more time or you're still not sure about DeSantis. You sound like the guy who's dating a girl for 5 years but still isn't sure if she's the one. Yeah bro, she isn't the one, break up with her.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (OalnH)
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Sure, mischaracterize what people think and say more. DeSantis has done great in Florida. And exactly NONE of that translates to the *divided* federal government. So stop pretending "wE kNoW wHaT rOn wOuLD dO". No, you don't. Because nothing in his past actually informs the future of divided federal government headed by DeSantis. Better than Biden ? Almost surely. Better than Trump ? Doubtful, IMO. As good, even ? No idea.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (kYmXc)

320
You know they're already working on that, right?
Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (Emce2)

Musk can access your Tesla any time he wants and do whatever he wants with it.

I'm guessing it's the same with all battery cars.

"OOOH!!!!!! It has it's own INTERNET ACCESS!!!!!"

Ugh......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (Zz0t1)

321 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

Shit I’m glad I’m not dead too!

How’ve you been bro?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (pD/XV)

322 285 Just to be clear here, you're telling Ace to get off of his own blog? Bold plan.

well, I for one do not agree with this

ace's views are needed here

however, he could bring back gabe to do the bannings

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (us2H3)

323 Many Marxists states give illegals drivers license and voting registration

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (4Lu0w)

324 It’s a Loooong and Winding Road

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (PCK5/)

325 312 He has to deal with the House and Senate. All this great stuff he's done in Florida will never happen in DC.
His ultra friendly FL legislature will pass anything he wants and stuff that he doesn't ask for. Not gonna happen in DC.

You have no basis for such a sweeping statement. In fact the opposite is more likely considering he was a congressman before. He knows how it works in DC.
Posted by: weft cut looop at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (jzzG

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Wait...you think Mitch McConnell will allow true conservative heads of departments just because DeSantis was a congressman a decade ago?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

326 This next 10 months is going to be as fun as swimming in monkeypox infested shit.

Then we get to look forward to another fake election.

Fuck.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (sDqgu)

327 I've changed my mind. I'm not Only Kasich, I'm Only Kemp!

Raise Jack Kemp from the dead and run him for president! I will accept no less!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM

I hope that Evan McMuffin guy runs again. He was dreamy...

Posted by: Bill Kristol at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (JCZqz)

328 That's it. I'm voting for the cat in the weekend Pet Thread.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (ij5RJ)

329 But his mom was married to a lineman.
Posted by: Whoops at May 25, 2023 01:22 PM

For the county?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (a3Q+t)

330 HOW DARE YOU!!!!!

You must be ALL IN AND SCREAMING or you're for BIDEN!!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (Zz0t1)

Screeching - not screaming. I denounce yourself for yourself.

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (8R5Il)

331 322 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

Shit I’m glad I’m not dead too!

How’ve you been bro?
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (pD/XV)

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Not bad! Got a new book coming out, but I'm not going to pimp that around here.

That would be uncouth.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (LvTSG)

332 All exactly correct.

Unfortunately, you have Desantis "Long Con" parrots not only among your commentators, but among your cobs.

Posted by: RichieC at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (DxBF0)

333 Simply put, they can't. GOP campaign consultants are basically stuck in the Bush era and use a) stale robocalls and mailers, b) negative media ads, c) emphasizing wedge issues like gay marriage/etc

I got on a Dem list apparently at some point and

Got offers to drive me to the polls
Got offers to help me register to vote
Got offers to help me vote by mail
Got offers to talk with people about "the candidate"

And in all the years I've been part of the GOPe the only think I've ever gotten are...fundraising letters, fundraising calls and fundraising texts

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (lc5cP)

334 I've changed my mind. I'm not Only Kasich, I'm Only Kemp!

Raise Jack Kemp from the dead and run him for president! I will accept no less!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Nixon's the One but I Like Ike! for 2024.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (wUSgb)

335
Today, another idiot tried to crash a car into the Brit Prime Minister's residence.

A lorry with a story.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (63Dwl)

336 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:41 PM (ZCCyW)

Oh…
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (PCK5/)

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There are many good reasons to be an OnlyTrumper. I, personally don't think we can win even with Jesus as our candidate.

But calling someone a thoughtless drone after everything that's been manipulated to happen is not cool.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (DcKNO)

337 That’s fine but doesn’t answer my questions. Was 2020 fair? Does DeSantis break Trumps record turnout and improvement?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (pD/XV)

Me, personally? No and no.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (DRSnL)

338 This next 10 months is going to be as fun as swimming in monkeypox infested shit.
Then we get to look forward to another fake election.
Fuck.
Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM

You are too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (a3Q+t)

339 335 Raise Jack Kemp from the dead and run him for president! I will accept no less!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Nixon's the One but I Like Ike! for 2024.
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (wUSgb)

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Ike over Taft?!

I always knew you were a commie in Victor Davis Hanson clothing...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (LvTSG)

340 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

How about Trump? Is he going to go away and pout? He is the one that has to get these people to vote in the General.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (PtcIc)

341 312 "He has to deal with the House and Senate. All this great stuff he's done in Florida will never happen in DC.
His ultra friendly FL legislature will pass anything he wants and stuff that he doesn't ask for. Not gonna happen in DC."

You have no basis for such a sweeping statement. In fact the opposite is more likely considering he was a congressman before. He knows how it works in DC.
Posted by: weft cut looop at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (jzzG

We have plenty of basis for believing the legislature will be uncooperative. Fixing the legislature would be needed to make most needed major fixes, and that is simply not going to happen by the end of this election cycle.

Unless a candidate was willing to go well beyond the limits of their executive powers (which I haven't seen evidence of yet).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (eYoxG)

342 Yoram Hazony @yhazony · 10h
At this moment when threats fill the air, Jews and other non-Christians need to stand by our Christian friends.

Sure, we disagree on many things. But Christians are the strongest force acting for the safety of our families and the moral decency of nations today.

Stand by them.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (Vwz3I)

343 Hey did GA, PA, MI, WI, NV, and AZ fix any of their "voting irregularities" since 2020 or 2022

+++++
This is why the left goes ape-shit manic opposing voter I.D. They always claim it is because it will crush the minorities, who they believe, without saying so, are feeble and inept. This is the big fat lie. If we had voter I.D. in every state, the democrats would be pulverized.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (ZOqVG)

344 "If he really were popular, you wouldn't have to resort to whining about fraud, as we wouldn't be having this conversation."

Bullshit. He picked up more votes on 2020 than he had in 2016. To accept the results of 2020 shows you're a democrat.

Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (8uzBS)

345 In 21st century America, this is like someone waking from a stupor in a gutter, looking down, noticing that both his forearms have rotted away, and saying "I think it's high time I quit shooting tranq-dope."

The time for that was long ago, my dude.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Eh. Elections, assuming they happen, can be cover for your true goals. And the process (not the corrupt results) provides legitimacy and connections.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (wFLK/)

346 315 DeSantis is a straight shooter, and isn't betraying anyone.

Well, except for the FL voters to whom he promised he wouldn't run for president, when he ran for re-election as gov.
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So you mean like every other person who ever was an elected official and ran for president?
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM

So...he's as honest as every other politician? Comforting.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (JCZqz)

347
Screeching - not screaming. I denounce yourself for yourself.
Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (8R5Il)

CRAP.

My bad......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (Zz0t1)

348 This is extraordinarily close to the mark. The path is narrow and the problem with successfully making that journey is the candidate.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (ij5RJ)

Oh, Fuck!!! Have you been asleep for the last 4 years ? Holy shit. The *path* can be described two ways - non-existent, and FRAUD. Someone actually believes that VA and WI, of all places, are NOT going to find the ballots for the Democrat ?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

At some point you people have got to face reality. If not for fraud this is all a moot point because Trump would be ineligible to run. But magically, Ron DeSantis can beat the fraud better. Sure he can.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (kYmXc)

349 Any DJT voter who stays home and sulks, allowing Biden to win again is retarded.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:30 PM (OalnH)

See Georgia.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:33 PM (PtcIc)

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Yeah lots of people did that. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying they are retards.
Posted by: Montec
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Ultimately, we've seen in both 2020 and 2022, these people aren't enough.

Are there people that will vote Trump and only Trump? Yes, and they are retards. Its basically a celebrity silliness at this point. But the retards aren't enough anyway, so you have to roll the dice on a different strategy.

I think these few voters are more than nullified by anti-Trump voters and other Republican leaning independents that are done with Trump. It's likely a rural voter and we already have that voter anyway or can convince them.

But if Trump takes his people with him and actively tries to throw the election to Biden, do you want to give your support to such an asshole?

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (cOFom)

350 Better than Trump ? Doubtful, IMO. As good, even ? No idea.
Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (kYmXc)

Will DeSantis do better than Trump with personnel? I am positive of it. We do know what Trump would do.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (pwExq)

351 Not bad! Got a new book coming out, but I'm not going to pimp that around here.

That would be uncouth.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM

Have you considered mentioning it?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (a3Q+t)

352 On the other hand, there are sure a lot of people who have dug in emotionally on one candidate or the other. Is anyone wait and see anymore?

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (DcKNO)

353 Unless a candidate was willing to go well beyond the limits of their executive powers (which I haven't seen evidence of yet).

DeSantis threatened to call out the FL NG to stop Biden from blocking the state border to enforce vaxports.

He's willing to throw down

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (lc5cP)

354 It's Trumpstanbul not DeSantonople.

Posted by: They Might Be Giants at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (diJt3)

355 Wouldn't he already be President at that point? What is the incentive?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:43 PM (nsnF6)

Keeping his family from dying or going to jail? Who knows? They have eight ways from Sunday after all.

It's a possibility. No one is saying they know the future. We are dealing in possibility and probability.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (sDqgu)

356 341 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

How about Trump? Is he going to go away and pout? He is the one that has to get these people to vote in the General.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (PtcIc)

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It would be partly his responsibility as well.

But a victorious DeSantis simply not trying to reach out to non-Republican voters who only come out for Trump would be a failing of his general election campaign. These voters do exist, and to just presume they'll show up or insult them until they vote is wrong.

DeSantis' base is different from Trump's. That's important to recognize.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (LvTSG)

357 341 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

How about Trump? Is he going to go away and pout? He is the one that has to get these people to vote in the General.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (PtcIc)

This idea that we can rely on a single guy or candidate to consistently pull in massive amounts of votes while not having proper turnout infrastructure is crazy.

Endorsements just aren't worth that much.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (eYoxG)

358 Declaring in public that you are a thoughtless drone.

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It's publicly declaring that you have a candidate, and that's your line.

DeSantis has his own such supporters.

And there are many who say "I'll vote for the Republican nominee, whoever it is."

And some few like me who say "fuck 'em all."

These aren't thoughtless positions. Just positions.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (oINRc)

359 I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think there are a lot of people who think Trump won 2020, but don't like what he has said and done since.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (DRSnL)

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That's me! I'm fairly certain Trump was cheated. I voted for him in 2016 and 2020 and was generally happy with what he did. Covid response.....not so happy. But hey, nobody's perfect.

However, over the last year or so, I've soured on him.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (OalnH)

360 Bullshit. He picked up more votes on 2020 than he had in 2016. To accept the results of 2020 shows you're a democrat.

Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (8uzBS)

He picked up more votes? Proving that he didn't lose? Somehow?

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (x4T32)

361 “ I need to do a mental gymnastic to make the next 16 months of these threads FUN”.. Hmmm..

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (PCK5/)

362 Meatball/Shawarma

Dang, now I'm hungry.

Posted by: Bosk at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (VMFAF)

363 the math here boils down to this

NTers aint gonna vote for Trump

OTers aint gonna vote for Ron

my guess is there is a helluva more OTs than NTs

so where's the rational ?

why the panting need for Ron to challenge Trump NOW ??

there is something that does not meet the eye

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (us2H3)

364 VA does not have to cheat to have Trump lose.

He is very unpopular in Virginia.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (pwExq)

365 352 Have you considered mentioning it?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (a3Q+t)

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What? Like Prometheus?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (LvTSG)

366 >>> The legislation voids out-of-state driver's licenses for those without proof of citizenship,

This alll implied in the Real ID that the Federal Gov pushed after 9-11.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (ga8qR)

367 266 I think DeSants saw what happened to people like Chris Christie that tried to wait until their turn, and they were quickly forgotten.
Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (cOFom)

This is definitely true, and I have been saying this to OnlyTrumpers ever since DeSantis won his election. He was always going to run. There was a 0.0% chance of him *not* running, and that is because it is so utterly and completely obvious that it is in his best interest to run. It was beyond delusional to suggest DeSantis sit out and wait "his turn." I can see why OnlyTrumpers would want that (oh wait, no I can't, as they insist DeSantis can't possibly under any circumstances come anywhere close to threatening Trump), but that's not who makes the decision. It was always obviously in DeSantis's interest to run in 2024, and that's why it was obvious to anyone not fooling themselves that he would run.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (YQ4mh)

368 Wait...you think Mitch McConnell will allow true conservative heads of departments just because DeSantis was a congressman a decade ago?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

Mitch is done. I thought you kept up with this stuff.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (PtcIc)

369 In the corners of the republican boxing ring, we have a criminal of international proportions, who spews a volcano of lies at every opportunity, enriches himself in every way possible, and undermines the mechanisms of democracy in ways that were inconceivable just 10 years ago. Along his ignorance and stupidity, but allowing for his broadcast charisma, he is a horribly disruptive danger to the very fabric of America.
[DeSantis???]

And we have an outright fascist, who is attempting to repress and destroy everything we who are moral and righteous have worked, fought, and died for since the Civil War. He has what might be termed, “a superior education”, which in his case is a load of books on the back of an ass, and although he lacks a certain political appeal to many, his message, which is clear and carefully researched, seems to resonate with a great many of the people who will be voting in the primary.
[Trump??? I thought they're BOTH Hitler!!]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (Vwz3I)

370 Wait...you think Mitch McConnell will allow true conservative heads of departments just because DeSantis was a congressman a decade ago?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison/i]

Again there's no basis for such a sweeping statement that he'll get nothing done. Zero. It's a stupid claim. Don't bother with dumb assertions. Further, was the GOPe Trump's hottub partners? No, they shat on him all the time. What did he tell them after the election? "I want to see a line of bills like airplanes on an aircraft carrier?" Yeah, that worked.

Posted by: weft cut loop at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (jzzG8)

371 On the other hand, there are sure a lot of people who have dug in emotionally on one candidate or the other. Is anyone wait and see anymore?

I've argued that we need to see which of the two has a plan to do deal with the Dem fraud in the 6 stolen states because that is what they need to have to actually win.

I'm more on the DeSantis side, but if Trump shows me that and Heavy D does not then clearly Trump is the one to support, and vice versa of course.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (lc5cP)

372 341 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

How about Trump? Is he going to go away and pout? He is the one that has to get these people to vote in the General.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM

If Trump loses the primary, at BEST he doesn't support the GOP candidate and disappears from the conversation. Considering the number of Republican politicians and leaders that vocally disavowed and campaigned against him...he's plenty justified to burn the GOP down on the way out.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (JCZqz)

373 I just hope and pray that our candidate is not overshadowed by this Gladiator fight to the death and we become also-rans...and far outweigh the mentions of President Biden, who has stabilized the country and returned us to a variant of normalcy.
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Are you not amused?!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (Vwz3I)

374 VA does not have to cheat to have Trump lose.

He is very unpopular in Virginia.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (pwExq)

No, he won all 50 states, and the only reason he didn't was FRAUD.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (x4T32)

375 I like both Trump and DeSantis. I want to see more of this kind of stuff from DeSantis.
As for the Ukraine policy, I am pro-Ukraine, so Trump's words reassure me. I would like to see the EU do more to support Ukraine. I would also like to see the hypocrisy of some European politicians, who in public pretend that the US are just as bad as Russia and they need to strike a balance and in private have been bought by Putin, unmasked.
Trump is not the populist buffoon that his opponents claim he is. Much of what he says is reasonable.

Posted by: PG at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (84jHt)

376 Screeching - not screaming. I denounce yourself for yourself.
Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (8R5Il)

CRAP.

My bad......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (Zz0t1)

I beg your pardon. I do not screech.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (DRSnL)

377 The idea that DeSantis is fleecing us is insane. The guy has taken a volley of arrows for everything he's done and has encouraged a lot of other Repub governors to find their balls again. (and I will give all due credit to my governor, Brian Kemp for reopening Georgia before any other state despite the screeching from all the suburban AWFLs). If Trump could keep his ego and temper in check like DeSantis, he would have been transformational with his policies

Posted by: UGAdawg at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (tRd71)

378 369 Wait...you think Mitch McConnell will allow true conservative heads of departments just because DeSantis was a congressman a decade ago?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

Mitch is done. I thought you kept up with this stuff.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (PtcIc)

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1) Mitch is still alive and in office and in power.
2) Assuming Mitch suddenly leaves office for whatever reason...you think Thune would allow solid conservatives to run executive departments?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (LvTSG)

379 And in all the years I've been part of the GOPe the only think I've ever gotten are...fundraising letters, fundraising calls and fundraising texts
Posted by: 18-1
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Commission ratios explain that. DM and media ad placement get double digit commissions and the entire GOP state and national apparatus is designed to make consultants rich, give the GOP officials money for staff as sex toys, wine and dine on contributor money, etc. The whale donors get populist candidates either compromised in return for office or excluded altogether.

Where do you think LaPierre and the rest of the NRA leadership got its ideas from. The GOP.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (wUSgb)

380 I see no point in getting emotionally invested in this fight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (LvTSG)

This. My life improved bigly when I stopped watching politics on TV. JJ gives me all the news I can handle now...and Happy Birthday JJ....and I no longer yell at the TV!

Posted by: NC Ref at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (fnmJK)

381 365 VA does not have to cheat to have Trump lose.

He is very unpopular in Virginia.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (pwExq)

Not true. He's quite popular in about 95% of the state. Unfortunately, that's not enough to carry VA past Loudoun, Fairfax, Arlington, Richmond.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (YQ4mh)

382 353 On the other hand, there are sure a lot of people who have dug in emotionally on one candidate or the other. Is anyone wait and see anymore?
Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (DcKNO)

Where I am at… I will vote for the Republican nominee, regardless.

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (PCK5/)

383 Are you not amused?!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (Vwz3I)
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Not particularly, no.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (DU+/6)

384 You know , if you ask Trump the question I asked above, his response would be to deny that he lost. Several times. Latest in 2022. Ok, fine. But what's your plan Trump? He is stuck and can't move forward.

Posted by: runner at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (16bie)

385 This entire wall o hate and racism is going to get printed, bronzed, and mounted on my wall I like it so effing much.

Posted by: BifBewalski at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (3CCua)

386 371 Again there's no basis for such a sweeping statement that he'll get nothing done. Zero. It's a stupid claim. Don't bother with dumb assertions. Further, was the GOPe Trump's hottub partners? No, they shat on him all the time. What did he tell them after the election? "I want to see a line of bills like airplanes on an aircraft carrier?" Yeah, that worked.
Posted by: weft cut loop at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (jzzG

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I don't see how they would treat another conservative president any differently, unless your assumption is that their issues with him were character-based.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (LvTSG)

387
I beg your pardon. I do not screech.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (DRSnL)

I beg to differ......

Posted by: Jordan's O-Face at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (Zz0t1)

388 As a Floridian, I fear who we may get after DeSantis.

In every state, there are many batshit crazy people who want to push the farthest left idiot they can find.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (DcKNO)

389 It's Trumpstanbul not DeSantonople.
Posted by: They Might Be Giants at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (diJt3)

***

It is Trumpetersburg not DeSantisgrad

Posted by: Earache Earacheson at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (flINI)

390 I'm more interested in which of the Republican candidates has a plan to harvest and/or manufacture enough ballots, in real time, to overcome the fraud.

You'd think that would be of some importance given how the last 2 "elections" panned out.

Barring that, what difference does it make who the candidate is? They're going to lose.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (Q4IgG)

391 CRAP.

My bad......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:46 PM (Zz0t1)

It's OK. Somebody had to save you. Along those lines. Just for you...
https://youtu.be/LUkqBRC1zUA

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (8R5Il)

392 Voter ID isn't even an issue anymore. With Dominion, ballot harvesting, on demand no questions asked mail in ballots. the old ballot stuffing methods aren't used anymore. It's a lot more time consuming to hire people to go from polling station to polling station and vote as someone else, vs send out 1000 mail in ballots to the same address and have those same people sit and fill them out.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (OalnH)

393 VA does not have to cheat to have Trump lose.

He is very unpopular in Virginia.

I think it was close in 2020. He was slightly up before The Steal went into play.

NOVA hates him, REAL VA loves him so...it is a split state.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (lc5cP)

394 384 Are you not amused?!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (Vwz3I)
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Not particularly, no.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (DU+/6)

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Granted, it's not the "fight" over the Speakership we got early this year. That was slightly amusing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (LvTSG)

395 This idea that we can rely on a single guy or candidate to consistently pull in massive amounts of votes while not having proper turnout infrastructure is crazy.

Endorsements just aren't worth that much.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (eYoxG)

The issue was how to have Trump voters come out to vote for DeSantis. Trump is key to that.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (PtcIc)

396 I want them to apply J6 rules to BLM May 31 attack on white house. Demand cell records,bank records and jail them without trial in solitary. Make an example.

Posted by: SmileyGG at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (77cT/)

397 [DeSantis???]
[Trump??? I thought they're BOTH Hitler!!]
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM

I thought it was a funny guessing game, too, but I guessed the opposite of how you did. Had hoped it would generate a little more discussion (and distract from the Trump/DeSantis wars), but alas...maybe it was too long and dumb, or there's blood in the water.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (JCZqz)

398 I see no one has addressed the DeSantis betrayal I pointed out. That is because you can't.

You may not like Trump, but the man did what he promised he would do. He got more votes in the 2020 election than any Republican in History.

When the left assassinates him, and everyone can see that coming, since it is the only way they have of stopping him, what exactly are you lot going to say then; "He shouldn't have worn that short skirt, what did he expect dressing like that?"

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (CecP5)

399 DeSantis is a neocon. DeSantis is backed enthusiastically by Paul Ryan. DeSantis is backed enthusiastically by RINO billionaire donors.

Yeah, it's a great con. Get the public to see how conservative you are in your state, elect you on that record. The piviot.

This isn't the first time this has happened.

Time to understand 1)Trump is not your savior, 2)DeSantis is not your savior and 3)It doesn't matter who runs in 2024 , the election is rigged already and Biden/whoever replaces him will win.

Posted by: Mooby Diick at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (r3rjn)

400 He is very unpopular in Virginia.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:48 PM (pwExq)

Yep. Arlington, Alexandria, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William, Richmond, Norfolk, to name a few places, where, well they hate Trump. You can throw in the college towns of Blacksburg and Charlottesville too. He nor DeSantis are not winning VA.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (2D+TA)

401 Good. Now Abbott can follow, since the terrifying act of blazing the trail has been done by a better man.

Posted by: Tar Bae at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (CU1/u)

402 The strong pimp hands are found on the ONT.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (a3Q+t)

403 391 I'm more interested in which of the Republican candidates has a plan to harvest and/or manufacture enough ballots, in real time, to overcome the fraud.

You'd think that would be of some importance given how the last 2 "elections" panned out.

Barring that, what difference does it make who the candidate is? They're going to lose.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (Q4IgG)

Neither of them.

Well we might hope the candidate delegitimizes the system instead of accepting defeat quietly.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (eYoxG)

404 It's like when Trump and DeSantis answered Tucker Carlson's questionnaire about Urkaine.

that's where urkel is from, isn't it?

Posted by: anachronda at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (sGtp+)

405 Where I am at… I will vote for the Republican nominee, regardless.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (PCK5/)

I will vote against the communists.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (nsnF6)

406 If your argument amounts to, "We have to nominate Trump, or else he will burn the party down on his way out the door!'

Think for a moment about what that says about the man. His cause does not matter, his country does not matter, his supporters do not matter. All that matters is that he, personally, is in power.

Sounds like an excellent reason to vote against him.

Posted by: RichieC at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (DxBF0)

407 As a Floridian, I fear who we may get after DeSantis.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (DcKNO)

I'm not a Floridian, but I have family there and it's one of the locations husband and I have considered moving to. And I fear the same thing. But whether or not he becomes President he'll still be gone in 2026, so...

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (DRSnL)

408 406 Where I am at… I will vote for the Republican nominee, regardless.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (PCK5/)

I will vote against the communists.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (nsnF6)

=========

"So, I can count your vote?!"
-Mitt Romney

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (LvTSG)

409 Posted by: Czech Chick at May 25, 2023 01:20 PM (6Tc2R)

Agree!

Posted by: 7man at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (qwO6y)

410 I worked in Fairfax county for a few months. What a bunch of stiffs.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (v0R5T)

411 These aren't thoughtless positions. Just positions.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (oINRc)

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Agree.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (DcKNO)

412
It's OK. Somebody had to save you. Along those lines. Just for you...
https://youtu.be/LUkqBRC1zUA
Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (8R5Il)

Nice......

I miss that era of music.

Funny how the guitar player is wearing a Poison shirt.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

413 I'm simply #NeverDem. I'll vote for either of the 2 with no problem.

My qualm with Trump is that, even if they let him win again, he'll be a lame-duck on day one. Full blown impeachment and removal is on the table if the Dems take back the House (I think there will be enough squishy GOPers to do it by then).

Hell, if the Dems keep the Senate, Trump won't be able to get *anyone* confirmed.

Posted by: Mehmet at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (/81oX)

414 "laws that . . . foment racial prejudice."

LMAO yes it is definitely the people pursuing equal protection under the law who are the fomenters. The no-longer-cottage industry of grift nonprofits that extort lots of money on pain of bigotry accusations, pay their execs handsomely, throw lavish parties, then put out press releases fomenting prejudice are definitely NOT the fomenters as between the two.

Posted by: turnout man at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (2Ds5E)

415 The issue was how to have Trump voters come out to vote for DeSantis. Trump is key to that.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (PtcIc)

well, when Rob goes down in flames, you'll have someone to blame

not a total loss, huh ?

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (us2H3)

416 You can't imagine a guy pretending to be more "true conservative" than he is in an effort to split a party that is/was strongly behind one candidate the Uniparty DESPERATELY wants to be rid of? In a party the Uniparty DESPERATELY wants to weaken and split?

Can't conjure that in your imagination, even, just for a minute of pondering? That in itself pretty hard to believe.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (sDqgu)

417 399, The Left isn't going to "assassinate" Trump. Trump has been part of the deep state from the beginning. Let's see: didn't fight for the border wall in the 2018 CR Bill, Hired Chris Wray, hired Bill Barr, didn't fire Fauci, and authorized the Covid 19 bioweapon I mean vaccine that the WEF/Bill Gates/George Soros have all been on board with.

Look up the word "kayfabe".

Posted by: Mooby Diick at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (r3rjn)

418 Isn't it time for conservative Republicans to reverse the narrative and drive home the point that allowing illegal immigrants into the nation exposes these people to exploitation by unscrupulous businessmen...the very people that most liberals despise.

Either enforce the laws or change the laws. Ignoring the law only serves to provide cheap, exploited labor for big business.

That is the message Republicans need to campaign on.

Posted by: JT Smith at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (FxdZx)

419 Good. Now Abbott can follow, since the terrifying act of blazing the trail has been done by a better man.
Posted by: Tar Bae at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (CU1/u)
.......

He should roll with it.

Posted by: wth at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (v0R5T)

420 Nice - we needed another 600-700 response thread. This primary fight will be epic.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (UVyKP)

421 DeSantis' base is different from Trump's. That's important to recognize.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:47 PM (LvTSG)

I don't think they have different bases. I think they have overlapping bases.

I will vote for the winner in the primary in the general. as of now, I prefer DeSantis to Trump and no one can call me a NeverTrumper. Well they can but they are wrong. It bothers the crap out of me that Trump put terrible people in important positions. Wray. Barr. Mattis. To just start. Personnel is policy. And if you are going to say "well he had no choice" I would ask you then what was the point of Trump then?

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (pwExq)

422 Speaking of:

@dangainor 1m
Forget which candidate you support. This (NYT article ) is a hilarious collection of RINOs and leftists saying stupid stuff. | ‘Ron DeSantis Has a Jekyll and Hyde Persona’: Our Columnists and Writers Weigh In on His Candidacy

Posted by: weft cut loop at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (jzzG8)

423 409 406 Where I am at… I will vote for the Republican nominee, regardless.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:50 PM (PCK5/)

I will vote against the communists.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 01:52 PM (nsnF6)

=========

"So, I can count your vote?!"
-Mitt Romney
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (LvTSG)

I knew that was coming.

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (PCK5/)

424 You have no basis for such a sweeping statement. In fact the opposite is more likely considering he was a congressman before. He knows how it works in DC.
Posted by: weft cut looop at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM (jzzG

Seriously? No one fucking cares that he was a back bench congressman. Not one person in the uniparty is going to stand for some jumped up toad getting in the way of their graft. Those snouts are in the trough permanently and anyone who tries to get in the way Will. Be. Cancelled.
Grow up.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (Wy1BU)

425 360 I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think there are a lot of people who think Trump won 2020, but don't like what he has said and done since.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 01:39 PM (DRSnL)

__

That's me! I'm fairly certain Trump was cheated. I voted for him in 2016 and 2020 and was generally happy with what he did. Covid response.....not so happy. But hey, nobody's perfect.

However, over the last year or so, I've soured on him.
Posted by: Montec
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All politicians end up disappointing some of their voters. Ask around here about regrets for voting for Bush (either), Romney, or McCain sometime.

There is always some voters that believe This Time it will be Different!!!. Long story short, it won't be as it is the nature of things. Even George Washington was viciously abused during his second term of office with a lot of his 'supporters' bashing him either publicly or privately including his own VP.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (wUSgb)

426 424 "So, I can count your vote?!"
-Mitt Romney
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (LvTSG)

I knew that was coming.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (PCK5/)

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Let no one call me unpredictable or funny.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (LvTSG)

427
The issue was how to have Trump voters come out to vote for DeSantis. Trump is key to that.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (PtcIc)

I think the evidence from 2022 and 2018 suggests he isn't capable of getting them to turn out(at least not most of the ones he added) for other candidates.

This is a group that didn't vote that often to begin with.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (eYoxG)

428
Arlington, Alexandria, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William, Richmond, Norfolk, to name a few places, where, well they hate Trump.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD.

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Loudoun. That's brilliant. I thought those parents had had enough of the groomers, but apparently they can still tolerate a little bit more.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (lCaJd)

429 I worked in Fairfax county for a few months. What a bunch of stiffs.

When you paycheck demands you parrot whatever the party line is...you'll suddenly find the party line much more persuasive.

And since the Dems are the party of government and have been for a while now, the government workers are going to support them.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (lc5cP)

430 Do you have any idea of the number of legal cases currently pending against Trump? Besides the crazy Bergdorf rape case which was already found in favor of his crazy accuser even though there was no proof and fined him 5 MILLION dollars, there is the Mar A Lago case which leaks are claiming he is going to be indicted in August. There is the NY Stormy Daniels case which is scheduled to go to trial in the middle of the primaries. In every case, he will be tried in jurisdictions that will find him guilty no matter the evidence just like the rape trial. He will not be allowed to defend himself with gag orders keeping him from countering the negative propaganda.
No matter how much anyone feels he would be the best candidate, I just don;t see him surviving this.
Eliminating the second best candidate does not make sense at this point. if DeSantis didn't run, we wuld be looking at Haley or Asa or Christy etc because they would be the only choices left.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (t/2Uw)

431 Obama got 4M fewer votes in 2012 vs 2008. Sometimes you get fewer votes and win re-election, sometimes you get more votes and lose re-election. It's not guaranteed one way or the other. So just because Trump got more in 2020 vs 2016 is not prima facia evidence that he was cheated.

The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

432 ok, i'm liking what's happening in FL more and more.

and i'll back either PDJT or Darth Santis, but the quibbling back and forth is already old.
Posted by: SturmToddler at May 25, 2023 01:28 PM (Mkvkw)

I live in MA, as you all know, so my vote - even if it were for either of them - is worthless. I'm going to spend election season watching everyone else huff and puff and go balls-to-the-wall for their man and then shrug my shoulders when The Steal happens again.

Posted by: Hope Solo's Globetrotting Squeakhole at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (AW0uW)

433
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Let no one call me unpredictable or funny.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (LvTSG)

That's funny.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

434 If Russia stopped prosecuting the war, of course, Ukraine would not need our aid.

*belgorod invaders have entered the chat*

Posted by: anachronda at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (sGtp+)

435 I think my position on voting and politicians allows me not to stress regard to who is the nominee. Though I will normally have a preference who I like, my voting has been always been who I'm voting against.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (PtcIc)

436 If Trump loses the primary, at BEST he doesn't support the GOP candidate and disappears from the conversation. Considering the number of Republican politicians and leaders that vocally disavowed and campaigned against him...he's plenty justified to burn the GOP down on the way out.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 01:49 PM (JCZqz)

Let's say you gave up a great life to spend the rest of it devoted to Making America Great Again. You're the cleanest politician in a generation, with a lifetime's worth of accomplishments to boot. You get to the WH, and not only are the Dems against you, but a great number of GOP leaders and conservative bien pensants as well. Said leaders stab you in the back while the Dems stab you in the front. You run for POTUS again, win, but don't win. Later you find out that not only were all the charges against you made up, but you're still being persecuted and not one major GOP figure defends you - even with the Durham Report pretty much saying just that.

If people run against him, ignoring what happened, and think he's going to just play ball after what went down? Well, I'm not so sure he's going to just play ball.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (0QsXr)

437 If your argument amounts to, "We have to nominate Trump, or else he will burn the party down on his way out the door!'

Think for a moment about what that says about the man. His cause does not matter, his country does not matter, his supporters do not matter. All that matters is that he, personally, is in power.

Sounds like an excellent reason to vote against him.

Posted by: RichieC at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (DxBF0)

Yep.

Posted by: Revan at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (qieOM)

438 425 Seriously? No one fucking cares that he was a back bench congressman. Not one person in the uniparty is going to stand for some jumped up toad getting in the way of their graft. Those snouts are in the trough permanently and anyone who tries to get in the way Will. Be. Cancelled.
Grow up.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (Wy1BU)

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The NYT will have a cover story about how DeSantis' chief of staff shared a poll with the Italian prime minister as proof that DeSantis is working for Italy.

The GOP in Congress will sit on evidence that it's untrue for 3 years while the Democrats run investigations into it, hyping every fake thing they can dream up as they go.

I mean...it works, doesn't it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (LvTSG)

439
The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

You honestly believe that Biden got 81 million votes........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

440 Loudoun. That's brilliant. I thought those parents had had enough of the groomers, but apparently they can still tolerate a little bit more.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (lCaJd)

Terry McAuliffe won Loudoun by 10 points. The problem isn't so much that the parents want more grooming but that the groomers outnumber them

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (pwExq)

441 It's Trumpstanbul not DeSantonople.
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Putin on RRRIIITZZZ!

Posted by: john fetterman at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (Vwz3I)

442 Nice......

I miss that era of music.

Funny how the guitar player is wearing a Poison shirt.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

Good catch!

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (8R5Il)

443 434 Let no one call me unpredictable or funny.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (LvTSG)

That's funny.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

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That, but not me. We are safe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

444 440 Biden got about 59 million votes. Period.

Posted by: Mooby Diick at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (r3rjn)

445
My qualm with Trump is that, even if they let him win again, he'll be a lame-duck on day one.
Posted by: Mehmet

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Either that or he'll be a lethal weapon.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (lCaJd)

446 433 I live in MA, as you all know, so my vote - even if it were for either of them - is worthless.

indeed. and here in california, the person i wanted in the primary has usually dropped out before primary votes happen.

Posted by: anachronda at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (sGtp+)

447 I'm more interested in what the Dems are going to do about the Joe Biden problem. When a WP-sponsored poll has Biden down to record-low numbers, and the DNC is swearing up and down that there will be no presidential debates, all this hoo-ha about the Republican primary season sounds a bit off.

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (rj6Yv)

448 VA does not have to cheat to have Trump lose.

He is very unpopular in Virginia.

Posted by: blaster
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Its the same in Arizona. Without question, he loses and takes everyone on the ballot with him.

Can we just admit certain candidates play better in certain regions that others. I will concede Trump probably plays better in the already ruby red states than he does the purple ones.

Would Trump play better in OH than DeSantis? Probably?

But Arizona or VA? No way.

Trump even had problems in places like Texas and Utah.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (cOFom)

449 Terry McAuliffe won Loudoun by 10 points. The problem isn't so much that the parents want more grooming but that the groomers outnumber them

Oh there are some parents that want more grooming. Go find videos of wine moms taking their children to twerk with drag queens...its a thing now like eating tide pods!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (lc5cP)

450 ========

That, but not me. We are safe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

Phew......I was worried there for a sec.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (Zz0t1)

451 436 I think my position on voting and politicians allows me not to stress regard to who is the nominee. Though I will normally have a preference who I like, my voting has been always been who I'm voting against.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (PtcIc)

Good point.It explains my Bush, McCain and Rmney votes

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (PCK5/)

452 448 I'm more interested in what the Dems are going to do about the Joe Biden problem. When a WP-sponsored poll has Biden down to record-low numbers, and the DNC is swearing up and down that there will be no presidential debates, all this hoo-ha about the Republican primary season sounds a bit off.
Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 01:57 PM (rj6Yv)

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They'll cheat in six states so he wins re-election and shit on America some more.

That's what they'll do.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (LvTSG)

453 Mattis. To just start. Personnel is policy. And if you are going to say "well he had no choice" I would ask you then what was the point of Trump then?
Posted by: blaster
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People here supported Mattis at the time as a wonderful appointment. I remember commenters here dreamily quoting the "tears in my eyes". Barr was a compromise forced by Senate confirmation to end the Mueller pseudo investigation travesty. Wray was suggested early on by Chris Christie--he was Christy's defense lawyer in Bridgegate.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (wUSgb)

454 You can't imagine a guy pretending to be more "true conservative" than he is in an effort to split a party that is/was strongly behind one candidate the Uniparty DESPERATELY wants to be rid of? In a party the Uniparty DESPERATELY wants to weaken and split?

Can't conjure that in your imagination, even, just for a minute of pondering? That in itself pretty hard to believe.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 01:54 PM (sDqgu)

The "Uniparty" spent millions of dollars to bolster Trump's endorsees in Republican primaries in 2022 because they correctly viewed them as easy to defeat. The "Uniparty" is DESPERATE to keep Trump around.

Posted by: Revan at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (qieOM)

455 Loudoun. That's brilliant. I thought those parents had had enough of the groomers, but apparently they can still tolerate a little bit more.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (lCaJd)
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Until someone close to home gets it.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (UVyKP)

456 Despite the nic, I don't give a flying fuck about the election because, well, the outcome is pre-ordained and even if it weren't fortified a "win" has become meaningless because the presidency has become meaningless. Still, this reads like an old man yelling at the clouds. And, yes, OT pundits yell at the clouds.

Again, out of total disinterest, if I were a DeSantis strategist, I would strongly advise him to do a Sister Souljah on the Bushes and NeoCons.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (KSNKu)

457 "He picked up more votes? Proving that he didn't lose? Somehow?"

yo inverted cupcake, explain the shutdowns that occurred simultaneously that also found just enough votes to beat Trump in the six hours when they started counting again

Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (8uzBS)

458 The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

Most of mail-in balloting was to cover for Biden's abysmal results, and you can bet Trump would still be doing time if even 2% of his votes were fraudulent.

Posted by: trev006 at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (Zg8aJ)

459 But calling someone a thoughtless drone after everything that's been manipulated to happen is not cool.

Posted by: Seems Legit. at May 25, 2023 01:45 PM (DcKNO)

I think that sitting out an election in a snit because your preferred candidate didn't get the nomination is fvcking childish. And declaring 18 months before the election, when campaigning has barely begun, that you aren't going to entertain even the notion of another candidate qualifies as being a thoughtless drone.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (ZCCyW)

460 if it wasn't for Trump

the left, with their empowered SCOTUS, would be busily your guns

among other horrors

My own personal belief, that is a debt that can't be paid

he pulled off the greatest political upset in US history

he deserves another shot

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (us2H3)

461 My concern is with two very strong contenders, Trump and DeSantis, this will split the patriot vote and we will end up with a third choice, conveniently supplied by GOPe. Hello Pence, Haley, or Jeb!
Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (Emce2)

Nah. Whoever is in 3rd place won't get close to the finish line.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (uvymP)

462 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (t/2Uw)

I agree with this.

But you can likely expect much legal wrangling to come around DeSantis too. Just a hunch.

This isn't an argument. Not everything is an argument. Just an observation.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 01:59 PM (sDqgu)

463 The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

Interesting take. Care to show your work?

Posted by: Doof at May 25, 2023 01:59 PM (8R5Il)

464 sorry, collecting your guns

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 01:59 PM (us2H3)

465 I live in MA, as you all know, so my vote - even if it were for either of them - is worthless.

MA is one of those states that would be blue every year even without fraud.

The elected a pedo to congress in the 80s...way before it was cool, and let Whitey Bulger run the state for a couple of decades...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 01:59 PM (lc5cP)

466 I like T and voted for him twice and think he was robbed. But I think one of his worst qualities is his inability to acknowledge when he is/was wrong and course correct. I think if he did this it would go a long way but he never does. I also like RDS. If I could stand the heat and humidity I would move to FL.

Posted by: DJ at May 25, 2023 01:59 PM (H5y4s)

467 Trumpskins... not DeSanmanders

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 25, 2023 01:59 PM (flINI)

468 466 I live in MA, as you all know, so my vote - even if it were for either of them - is worthless.

I'm in Ca. so my vote is worthless too... yet I do it anyway

Posted by: It's me donna at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (bs+z0)

469 The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

Here's one, thathalfrican.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (DRSnL)

470 462 My concern is with two very strong contenders, Trump and DeSantis, this will split the patriot vote and we will end up with a third choice, conveniently supplied by GOPe. Hello Pence, Haley, or Jeb!
Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 01:27 PM (Emce2)

Nah. Whoever is in 3rd place won't get close to the finish line.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (uvymP)

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Yeah, the only time that happens is when the 2 leaders are splitting about 2/3 of the party evenly while the final third all coalesces around one candidate.

The closest we have to something that might have led to this is the 2020 Democrat primary. 1/3 to Sanders. 1/3 to Biden. 1/3 to everyone else. The everyone else wasn't going to win. The 1/3 to Bernie was going to win, so the party pushed the everyone else out so that as much could coalesce around Biden.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (LvTSG)

471 Terry McAuliffe won Loudoun by 10 points. The problem isn't so much that the parents want more grooming but that the groomers outnumber them
Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (pwExq)

Wasn't McAuliffe supposed to win Loudoun by a lot more than 10 points?

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (rj6Yv)

472 Until someone close to home gets it.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (UVyKP)

That's usually not enough. Remember the girls murdered by illegal immigrants in CA and IA- their parents BOTH said how much they love immigrants and this ought not to reflect badly on illegal immigration!

These people think even their family are only valuable so long as they support the cause.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (N1DT3)

473 The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

This take is frankly delusional. Pure copium.

In Wisconsin alone there were tens of thousands more absentee ballots received than had been sent out, which is only one layer of fraud.

More ballots were counted in 2020 than there were people registered to vote in 2018. Trump's vote totals relied on massive crossover.

Even in an ordinary year, where the margin of fraud has traditionally been around 1%, that'd be 1.5 million votes. The problem is the old margin of fraud rules no longer apply.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (eYoxG)

474 People here supported Mattis at the time as a wonderful appointment. I remember commenters here dreamily quoting the "tears in my eyes". Barr was a compromise forced by Senate confirmation to end the Mueller pseudo investigation
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: John Bolton at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (a3Q+t)

475 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (eYoxG)

Because he never really tries unless he wants to. Again see Georgia . His half hearted attempts do more harm. I will point out that Trump thinks it makes a difference when he is committed based on his comments about the DeSantis election.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (PtcIc)

476 428
The issue was how to have Trump voters come out to vote for DeSantis. Trump is key to that.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:51 PM (PtcIc)

I think the evidence from 2022 and 2018 suggests he isn't capable of getting them to turn out(at least not most of the ones he added) for other candidates.

This is a group that didn't vote that often to begin with.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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I rate that as true but also true that the local and state GOP officials do not WANT these voters turned out because they are not straight ballot Republicans. That is the old mindset of GOP campaign consultants--sneak out a win via low interest, negative campaign ads, and base voting. It depends on the old paradigm that GOP voters turned out more than Dems. Under the ballot regime, Dem ballots turn out more than base GOP voters.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (wUSgb)

477 A few years ago I was rear ended on I-75 in downtown Atlanta. The guy who hit me didn't have insurance, didn't have vehicle registration, had an expired Florida license, and was an "immigrant". When the police finally showed up, they didn't bother to issue him a single ticket.

Posted by: Eric at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (a2F+C)

478
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: John Bolton at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (a3Q+t)

With a little cock on the side.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (Zz0t1)

479 Democrats/ Marxists are just going to ignore Kennedy, no debates just going to wish him away

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (4Lu0w)

480 There's an interesting article over at American Thinker regarding the challenges any Republican candidate will face, and it goes way beyond ballot harvesting.

https://tinyurl.com/4844zh3s

Posted by: SMH at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (MIuQp)

481
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: John Bolton at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (a3Q+t)

Yeah, I'm guilty on that one

Posted by: It's me donna at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (bs+z0)

482 People noticed Schumer won NY by 11 points last go-around right?

He normally wins by 30 or 40. And yes his opponent was some no name R.

I think that was a real result since they saw no need to cheat for Schumer. Now...if that is what the real results were like in blue states in 2022...what should the real results in purple and red states have looked like?

Oh...they should have looked like the results in FL...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (lc5cP)

483 477 I rate that as true but also true that the local and state GOP officials do not WANT these voters turned out because they are not straight ballot Republicans. That is the old mindset of GOP campaign consultants--sneak out a win via low interest, negative campaign ads, and base voting. It depends on the old paradigm that GOP voters turned out more than Dems. Under the ballot regime, Dem ballots turn out more than base GOP voters.
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (wUSgb)

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Let me just say that I have long felt that the burning down of the GOP was far from our worst case scenario.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (LvTSG)

484 Wray was suggested early on by Chris Christie--he was Christy's defense lawyer in Bridgegate.
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (wUSgb)

Christie should never have been advising Trump on staffing. Christie had at that point already shown himself to be disloyal and acting against Trump.

"Trump was duped into hiring Wray" is not as strong a defense of Trump as people seem to think.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (pwExq)

485 Major Announcement: I'm not entertaining anyone who speaks of the legitimacy of our recent elections.

This actually isn't anything different than I was doing before, I just felt like saying it.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (sDqgu)

486 Brandon appoints another black guy to run the military

General Brown, IKYN

Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (us2H3)

487 486 Christie should never have been advising Trump on staffing. Christie had at that point already shown himself to be disloyal and acting against Trump.

"Trump was duped into hiring Wray" is not as strong a defense of Trump as people seem to think.
Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (pwExq)

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I remember stories of Trump feeling he had no chance in 2016, and he saw his entry into the race as a way to help set the stage for Christie. I think they were pretty tight in 2015.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (LvTSG)

488 Let no one call me unpredictable or funny.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman

That's funny.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
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And unpredictable.

And funny.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (Vwz3I)

489 The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

Where it mattered - because there was a bunch of issues in California of illegals voting - but its a solid blue state so who cares.

The cheat in those few states actually probably was over a million in total. The more we learn about it, the more ballots we learn are at issue. They had to because Trump overperformed in 2020. So no, it wasn't just a few thousand. If you believe it was stolen, and there is statistical evidence to support that view, and the audit trail that was wiped clean, the number was well over a million spread across the key states. Several hundred thousands of votes here, and a few hundred thousand votes there and we are talking real money.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (UVyKP)

490 Even in an ordinary year, where the margin of fraud has traditionally been around 1%, that'd be 1.5 million votes. The problem is the old margin of fraud rules no longer apply.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (eYoxG)

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I don't agree with this. Because most of the country is deep red or deep blue. There's no need for Dems to cheat in LA just like there's no need for them to cheat in Wyoming. If Wyoming goes 65-35% Trump or goes 62-38 Trump who cares? Same with LA. It's going to be 80-20 Biden, so why cheat to make it 82 Biden? You can't say 1% across the board. It's 1% in targeted areas where it will make a difference.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (OalnH)

491 481 Trump will have to support RDS if he wins the nomination.

Bc he's going to need a pardon.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (d2pZE)

Hmm. Good point.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 25, 2023 02:04 PM (0QsXr)

492 488 Brandon appoints another black guy to run the military

General Brown, IKYN
Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (us2H3)

If he's not Trans Biden missed the boat

Posted by: It's me donna at May 25, 2023 02:04 PM (bs+z0)

493 492 I don't agree with this. Because most of the country is deep red or deep blue. There's no need for Dems to cheat in LA just like there's no need for them to cheat in Wyoming. If Wyoming goes 65-35% Trump or goes 62-38 Trump who cares? Same with LA. It's going to be 80-20 Biden, so why cheat to make it 82 Biden? You can't say 1% across the board. It's 1% in targeted areas where it will make a difference.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:03 PM (OalnH)

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CA didn't implement mail in voting (after the 2020 election) because Democrats were satisfied with their margins of victory.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:04 PM (LvTSG)

494 "Honestly, if you don't show up for who ever wins the Republican primary, you should rethink your life.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 25, 2023 01:40 PM (ij5RJ)

People also said the exact same thing about shrub, mclame, and rombley.

If I dont want to vote for somebody, I'm not voting for them.

If you don't like that, gfy.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at May 25, 2023 02:04 PM (89Sog)

495 I wouldn't consider myself "OnlyTrump." In fact, I think it's dangerous to make a singular personality the locus of one's political hopes.

Regardless, I don't trust DeSantis because of who he takes money from. Far as I'm concerned, anybody Rupert Murdock is fluffing is SERIOUSLY suspect. I also have a hard time with his silence on the Mar-A-Lago raid.

I want a good primary season with lots of good candidates who can all make their case. That way we're putting our best candidate forward when we lose to a DNC Vote Cheating Machine that the RNC seems unconcerned about countering.

Posted by: SMFH at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (vGZLX)

496 I rate that as true but also true that the local and state GOP officials do not WANT these voters turned out because they are not straight ballot Republicans. That is the old mindset of GOP campaign consultants--sneak out a win via low interest, negative campaign ads, and base voting. It depends on the old paradigm that GOP voters turned out more than Dems. Under the ballot regime, Dem ballots turn out more than base GOP voters.
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:01 PM (wUSgb)

The same extended to primaries. McConnell, particularly but not exclusively, was fine with minority status as long as he could be leader. The key was to retard turnout in primaries unless the Regime wanted an incumbent sacked.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (KSNKu)

497 I remember stories of Trump feeling he had no chance in 2016, and he saw his entry into the race as a way to help set the stage for Christie. I think they were pretty tight in 2015.

well that's kind of telling

Chris a total douchebag - how did PDJT not notice!?!?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (w0NJk)

498 DeSantis Signs Law That Strips Illegal Aliens of Their Drivers Licenses

Did you hear that? That is the sound of cheering from my house. Illegal aliens have zero right to be here and giving them drivers licenses not only lets them get around easily but these drivers licenses act as ID for many other services. The sum total of cites, counties, and states acting as sanctuaries and issuing government ID erodes the value of legal residency and citizenship itself.

Posted by: Lost In Space at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (a175k)

499 All of this is assuming we make it to 2024.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (u73oe)

500 People can't, believe Trump trusted people - anyone he hired really - to stay on our side. And they're lining up like lemons behind a guy they *guarantee* will stay on our side. I guess go with that?

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (sDqgu)

501 I never have understood why how you stand on the voter fraud in the 2020 election should have anything to do with Trump vs DeSantis. It's going to be a problem for either.

My issue with the voter fraud angle is if it's Trumps version of events, he shouldn't be running at all if he really believes it. He clearly doesn't. And now every GOP primary that doesnt go his way, he's now saying its fraud.

If Trump loses the GOP primary, he will claim massive fraud. Guaranteed

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (cOFom)

502 DeSantis? Trump?

I like them both.

I do not like the recent things Trump has said blaming the Pro-Lifers for the disappointing 2022 mid-terms results.

He gave a great speech at the 2020 March For Life in DC. I remember him saying that Life begins at conception. His recent thing about 6 weeks was disappointing.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (vg8N1)

503 459 The cheat was a few thousand votes in 3 states. It wasn't in the millions nation wide.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 01:55 PM (OalnH)

Uh. A few thousand votes was the amount that Biden was boosted after they knew how many more votes needed to be manufactured. Before they knew how many more votes they needed to manufacture there were all the fake votes and other shenanigans to get Biden anywhere near Trump's level. There was a huge foundational layer of cheat already laid down before those last few thousand votes. Was it Time is Life magazine that published a story on some of the ways they "fortified" the election? They weren't hiding it.

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (Emce2)

504 Wasn't McAuliffe supposed to win Loudoun by a lot more than 10 points?
Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 02:00 PM (rj6Yv)

That he didn't is why he lost. But the point is that we heard about the parents in Loudoun and all that, and even so, that county voted double digits more for McAuliffe.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (pwExq)

505 I'm not interested in voting for DeSantis. It takes him out of a position of power and puts him into one where he won't accomplish anything. And I was told I'd better vote for Romney and McCain or bad things would happen.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (ouTlx)

506 So if a US citizen flies into Mexico City can they just go into the appropriate government building and get a Mexican driver's license?

Posted by: How does that work, exactly? at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (s+mEu)

507 What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: John Bolton

Nuff said. In any administration, there are a number of appointments that frankly suck. John Roberts for SC Chief Justice? Colin Powell as SoS?, the crazed NSA chief under Bush? Bush's last Sec. of Treasury Paulsen? Gen Casey? Bush's various non-entities appointed in and out of office that actually turned out to be Hillary and Biden supporters now?

Simply put, careerists that live off the DC beltway are those with the contacts via clientelism to be suggested as the various sub Cabinet offices. None outside of their orbit will be appointed, or if appointed last in office (see the poor OK EPA administrator appointed as Trump's first EPA director).

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (wUSgb)

508 484 People noticed Schumer won NY by 11 points last go-around right?

He normally wins by 30 or 40. And yes his opponent was some no name R.

I think that was a real result since they saw no need to cheat for Schumer. Now...if that is what the real results were like in blue states in 2022...what should the real results in purple and red states have looked like?

Oh...they should have looked like the results in FL...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2023 02:02 PM (lc5cP)

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NY had a strong GOP run in 2022. It wasn't just Shumer, the GOP flipped 5 (I think) house seats in the state.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (OalnH)

509 CA posts 3M+ fraudulent votes every Presidential election cycle.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (nsnF6)

510 At least he's moving the ball down the field.

Posted by: Iblis at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (9221z)

511 Dammit. Off, anal sock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (AW0uW)

512 DeSantis?

I cannot spare the man. He fights.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (vg8N1)

513 509 NY had a strong GOP run in 2022. It wasn't just Shumer, the GOP flipped 5 (I think) house seats in the state.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (OalnH)

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Because Republican women were so pissed at Dobbs?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

514 An undocumented 22-year-old woman sat on her bed in Tampa last week and called her mother, listening to the ringing tone, hoping for another option. When her mother answered, the sound of her soft voice reminded the woman there weren't any.
"We have to leave Florida," the woman said.

Oh, bullshit.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 25, 2023 02:07 PM (Xrfse)

515 My great hope for 2024 is the flipping of state houses.

I also hoped it in 2020, and it didn't happen all that much.

So, I dunno.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:07 PM (LvTSG)

516 "He has to deal with the House and Senate. All this great stuff he's done in Florida will never happen in DC."

You have no basis for such a sweeping statement. In fact the opposite is more likely considering he was a congressman before. He knows how it works in DC.
Posted by: weft cut looop at May 25, 2023 01:42 PM
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Good fucking christ. Can we please live in the actual real world on Earth and not some imaginary fantasy world ? The idea that Ron DeSantis can magically overpower the divided Congress because "he was one of them" is laughably naive, if not stupid. Maybe both. Not to mention that "he was one of them" is not the talking point you think it is.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 02:07 PM (kYmXc)

517 > There's an interesting article over at American Thinker regarding the challenges any Republican candidate will face, and it goes way beyond ballot harvesting.

It frustrates me to no end that so many Republicans, right up to Ronna McRomney, are so offended by ballot harvesting that they refuse to take part.

If the local judges say it's legal, or at least wink and nod at any ballot harvesting going on in their fiefdom, then dammit, we need to ballot harvest.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 25, 2023 02:08 PM (R38qh)

518 503 I never have understood why how you stand on the voter fraud in the 2020 election should have anything to do with Trump vs DeSantis. It's going to be a problem for either.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:05 PM (cOFom)

Because if we don't assume some mysterious massive increase in the pool of available voters, it's highly unlikely we'll improve on Trump's totals with someone else.

From the data we have, Trump only got as many as he did by getting very large amounts of crossover voting, like Obama in 2008.

If you believe in a large new pool of voters to tap, how to appeal to them (who are they exactly?) is how to win.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 02:08 PM (eYoxG)

519 I personally have trust issues with a candidate who told his constituents decisively that he would absolutely finish his term if elected then 16 months later, forms an exploratory committee to begin the process of leaving. I know many here laugh and say it is to be expected of politicians but my goal is to not be suckered by such.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 25, 2023 02:08 PM (j80wd)

520 514 An undocumented 22-year-old woman sat on her bed in Tampa last week and called her mother, listening to the ringing tone, hoping for another option. When her mother answered, the sound of her soft voice reminded the woman there weren't any.
"We have to leave Florida," the woman said.

Oh, bullshit.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 25, 2023 02:07 PM (Xrfse)

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I hope she goes. She should move to California. It's a paradise there.

They have no racism and no crime.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:08 PM (LvTSG)

521 513 509 NY had a strong GOP run in 2022. It wasn't just Shumer, the GOP flipped 5 (I think) house seats in the state.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (OalnH)

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Because Republican women were so pissed at Dobbs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

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If it hadn't been for Dobbs we would have flipped 15!!

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:08 PM (OalnH)

522 The same extended to primaries. McConnell, particularly but not exclusively, was fine with minority status as long as he could be leader. The key was to retard turnout in primaries unless the Regime wanted an incumbent sacked.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat

Yep. McConnell and his flying monkeys trashed Chris McDaniel in MS by getting Dem voters into the open primary to vote against him. Ditto for collaborating to destroy Roy Moore, a bunch of Tea Party senate candidates, etc. McCarthy, Ryan, and Boehner did much the same thing with their leadership pacs.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:08 PM (wUSgb)

523
I'm just looking at that heart-warming line at the top of this post.

22-year-old woman sitting on the edge of her bed, shaking with fear.

Calls her mother, hoping against hope. Is it cancer? Is it bankruptcy?

No. It's DeSantis's driver's license law. It now excludes illegal gate-crashers who have full citizenship in another country, where they could go now if they wanted.

The five awful words are uttered: "We have to leave Florida."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (lCaJd)

524 I do not like the recent things Trump has said blaming the Pro-Lifers for the disappointing 2022 mid-terms results.
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100%. And if Trump doesn't shut the fuck up about abortion right quick he's going to lose me.

Not that I'm voting for anyone, anyway.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (ynQm9)

525 "We have to leave Florida," the woman said.

Good riddance, puta.
Go get your shine box for your zapatos.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (ufFY8)

526 CA is jot the problem. Apparently GA is.

Posted by: runner at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (16bie)

527 I do not like the recent things Trump has said blaming the Pro-Lifers for the disappointing 2022 mid-terms results.

He gave a great speech at the 2020 March For Life in DC. I remember him saying that Life begins at conception. His recent thing about 6 weeks was disappointing.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse
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I have to be intellectually honest here, I do agree with Trump on this.

if Republicans run a strident position on abortion, they will lose. Before Roe vs Wade being overturned, very easy to virtue signal and no one cared to just say you were pro-life.

Now that real laws are being passed, its awakened a new voter base against Republicans. Suburban women are going to be the issue and Trump already does terrible with them.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (cOFom)

528 if it wasn't for Trump

the left, with their empowered SCOTUS, would be busily your guns

among other horrors

I am and will always be very grateful that Trump was President when those vacancies occurred instead of Cankles. But I don’t agree that that gratitude creates an obligation for me. My vote and my conscience are my own.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 25, 2023 02:10 PM (nfrXX)

529 I hope she goes. She should move to California. It's a paradise there.

She can get housing, drivers licenses, a free pass on traffic accidents, schooling, health care, and a voter registration card when she gets her license...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 25, 2023 02:10 PM (bs+z0)

530 Go to the Consulate and get a Mexican driver's license? Don't you go to a vending machine to get a Mexican driver's license?

Posted by: Wally at May 25, 2023 02:10 PM (BkmP+)

531 NY had a strong GOP run in 2022. It wasn't just Shumer, the GOP flipped 5 (I think) house seats in the state.
Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:06 PM (OalnH)

Nationwide the popular vote totals should've put the GOP in a fairly commanding position based on what voter distributions are like and historical experience.

It did not.

Democrats are now less concerned about pumping up broad numbers to make things look less sketchy, and will simply get ballots where they are needed, which is less resource intensive.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 02:10 PM (eYoxG)

532
She should move to California. It's a paradise there.

They have no racism and no crime.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman

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And an awesome high-speed rail.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 02:10 PM (lCaJd)

533 Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) introduced a resolution proposing a $16 million fine for Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) for “egregious abuse of the trust of the American people” regarding his assertions of collusion between former President Donald Trump and Russia during the 2016 election.

“It is the obligation of House Leadership to back up this motion for the American people and hold this feckless man accountable,” Rep. Luna said in a statement. “This is a privileged resolution and it is the right thing for House Leadership to support and bring accountability and respect back to the House of Representatives. ALL Members of Congress must be held to this standard.”

Posted by: SMOD at May 25, 2023 02:10 PM (RHGPo)

534 Let no one call me unpredictable or funny.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman

We have a covenant.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2023 02:11 PM (a3Q+t)

535
Don't you go to a vending machine to get a Mexican driver's license?
Posted by: Wally

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As long as the vending machine takes bribes.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 02:11 PM (lCaJd)

536 Had someone try to tell me on Facebook that drag queens aren't trying to target children.

LIBRARY PROMOTES DRAG QUEEN STORY TIME THAT ADULTS CAN ONLY ATTEND IF THEY BRING THEIR KIDS

A fan used the LWC tip-line to bring our attention to a Drag Queen Storytime that is being held at a library in New Hampshire. And organization called White Mountain's Pride is hosting it at the Weeks Memorial Library in Lancaster, NH next month.
The event intends to capture "the imagination and play of the gender fluidity of childhood" and gives kids, quote, "glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models.” One of the hosts who "defies gender restrictions" is a performer named Katniss Everqueer. This is Katniss Everqueer.

tinyurl.com/3hwknuv9

Posted by: rickb223 at May 25, 2023 02:11 PM (6hSPF)

537 If you believe in a large new pool of voters to tap, how to appeal to them (who are they exactly?) is how to win.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Ending the free trade idiocy, doing something about the fentanyl scourge and China/cartel/Mexico enabling it, bringing back manufacturing, mining, rebuilding fading infrastructure, ending far away wars of no importance to us, cleaning up elections, and ending illegal immigration to boost wages for labor.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:11 PM (wUSgb)

538 My biggest concern with DeSantis....he can't actually believe he'll beat Trump in a Republican primary. I know there are many Republicans that would prefer someone other that Trump, but even massed together under one candidate, they still wouldn't be enough...and realistically, many of them wouldn't vote DeSantis.

It means (most likely) DeSantis thinks Trump won't be running, which means some kind of prison/legal trouble. That is banana republic shit, and if he's planning to run to capitalize on that, instead of fighting against it...I don't like it.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (JCZqz)

539 If the local judges say it's legal, or at least wink and nod at any ballot harvesting going on in their fiefdom, then dammit, we need to ballot harvest.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Did you read the article?

This goes way beyond ballot harvesting.

Posted by: SMH at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (MIuQp)

540 Though I will normally have a preference who I like, my voting has been always been who I'm voting against.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2023 01:56 PM (PtcIc)

The way I see it, this (Candidate X is the lesser of two evils) is one of only two positions voters have that make any sense.

The other reasonable one is "Candidate X will do things to enrich me, personally."

All other reasons to vote are wishful thinking.

For me, I look at this way... Both parties are so evil that figuring out the lesser of the two is an academic exercise, I don't care one way or another who's promising me filthy lucre, or whose pocket it's pilfered from, and I'd rather not debase myself by supporting any of these gangsters.

Also - if enough people took my attitude, it would become quickly apparent that our system, whoever governs it, lacks the consent of the governed and is not governable. But that won't happen, and it's my wishful thinking.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (oINRc)

541 Just considering Biden's supposed 81 million votes shows that the cheat was more than a few thousand. Looks to me to be closer the 10 million or so fake votes. Did Basement Biden really inspire that much support?

Posted by: Emmie -- MoMe-curious AR morons and Farmer, please email me at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (Emce2)

542 If DeSantis were appointed president for life of the Republic of Florida I would move there. The future is in independent states be they defacto or dejure.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (KSNKu)

543 There are certain things you must say about abortion to get elected. Like Obama saying marriage is between a man and woman. You mutter these things and hope everyone "gets it".

But blaming pro lifers gets into a territory I don't like and that made me sick of the Republican Party in the first place.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (ynQm9)

544 if Republicans run a strident position on abortion, they will lose. Before Roe vs Wade being overturned, very easy to virtue signal and no one cared to just say you were pro-life.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (cOFom)

I think this is an excellent point, and one that I have made on Sefton's and my podcast.

We are winning the pro-life battle in the states, so any national candidate should simply punt: "I believe it is up to the states to decide these contentious issues. The federal government has lots of other things to worry about."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (ZCCyW)

545 The NC General Assembly passed a school choice bill by a veto-proof margin. That's after a 12-week abortion ban bill was enacted by overriding King Cooper's veto. NC, we are told, is a "purple" state. We, the people, are being told a lot of things that are no longer true. This isn't 2020. The Dems are truly scared. More, shocked, really.

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (rj6Yv)

546 All of this is assuming we make it to 2024.
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (Vwz3I)

547 Now, as far as the actual policy here, great. Imagine it is 100% effective. All illegals leave Florida... For one of the OTHER 49 states. Maybe other majority Republicans follow suit. Leaving only a handful of states that will not ever do anything similar. CA, WA, OR, IL, NY, MA, CT, VT... where all the illegals can go and be treated like virtually equals to actual citizens.

And... ? Also nevermind the blue shithole sanctuaries within those states like Houston, Dallas, and Austin. Do you really think illegals feel like they can't stay there ? Because they can and they will.

The simple fact is, this is a problem that cannot be solved - OVERALL - except at the federal level. And again, for the millionth time, Ron DeSantis is not doing any more as POTUS than Trump on this issue and if you say he can or he will, you're either willfully lying, or stupid.

Posted by: deadrody at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (kYmXc)

548 Okay, what I think is DeSantis knows he will not get the nomination, he stays governor, and Trump will need to make nice with him so he endorses him. It does not hurt DeSantis in any way, and he gets even more national exposure… he is not old like Trump, after all. Lots of time.

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (PCK5/)

549 Jesus Christ, we're going to have to deal with this for over a year.

Posted by: toddg at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (B3RQo)

550 537 If you believe in a large new pool of voters to tap, how to appeal to them (who are they exactly?) is how to win.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Ending the free trade idiocy, doing something about the fentanyl scourge and China/cartel/Mexico enabling it, bringing back manufacturing, mining, rebuilding fading infrastructure, ending far away wars of no importance to us, cleaning up elections, and ending illegal immigration to boost wages for labor.
Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:11 PM (wUSgb)

I was referring to the "people" who turned up to vote in 2020's general but apparently don't at any other time including 2022 or the 2020 primaries.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (eYoxG)

551 It means (most likely) DeSantis thinks Trump won't be running, which means some kind of prison/legal trouble.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (JCZqz)

Or he is setting himself up for a 2028 run.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (ZCCyW)

552
Posted by: rickb223 at May 25, 2023 02:11 PM (6hSPF)

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How tf many drag queens are there? Enough to form a whole special-interest group in New Hampshire?!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (lCaJd)

553 Why would DeSantis think he could win a race with Trump? Because not a single vote has been cast yet. No one thought Hillary could lose the Democrat primary in 2008. And Trump couldn't win the primary nor the general.

It's like in sports - you have to play the games to know how it comes out.

Posted by: blaster at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (pwExq)

554 Edit DeSantis' words like you edit Trump's words to make them say what you want them to say.

Well, that's pretty much what folks are doing, just not how you probably meant it.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (Yr4Df)

555 Because if we don't assume some mysterious massive increase in the pool of available voters, it's highly unlikely we'll improve on Trump's totals with someone else.

From the data we have, Trump only got as many as he did by getting very large amounts of crossover voting, like Obama in 2008.

If you believe in a large new pool of voters to tap, how to appeal to them (who are they exactly?) is how to win.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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So only Trump can understand voter fraud (even though both elections he wasnt able to stop it)? Another Republican can't?

If Trump went on a crusade to change state laws regarding voter laws, I would take his claims way more seriously.

I believe Dem voter fraud exists (its just not even a question) but I don't buy into the "only Trump can stop the massive vote hacking" Mainly because "his" people like Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, Dr Oz, etc keep getting beat.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (cOFom)

556 "Did Basement Biden really inspire that much support?"

People weren't voting for Biden, they were voting against Trump. The election was Trump or Not Trump. Biden just happened to be the Not Trump choice. It could have been anyone and the results would be the same.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (OalnH)

557 551 Or he is setting himself up for a 2028 run.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (ZCCyW)

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That's never happened before!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

558 544 if Republicans run a strident position on abortion, they will lose. Before Roe vs Wade being overturned, very easy to virtue signal and no one cared to just say you were pro-life.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:09 PM (cOFom)

I think this is an excellent point, and one that I have made on Sefton's and my podcast.

We are winning the pro-life battle in the states, so any national candidate should simply punt: "I believe it is up to the states to decide these contentious issues. The federal government has lots of other things to worry about."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (ZCCyW)

A thousand times YES on this. In 2022, unfortunately, a lawyer who happens to be a Senator - Lindsey Graham - went out of his way NOT to say that, but to instead push for some sort of national law on abortion. On purpose. To tank the GOP's chances that election year.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (0QsXr)

559 Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (PCK5/)

Please stop saying what I am saying before I say it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (ZCCyW)

560 555 If Trump went on a crusade to change state laws regarding voter laws, I would take his claims way more seriously.

I believe Dem voter fraud exists (its just not even a question) but I don't buy into the "only Trump can stop the massive vote hacking" Mainly because "his" people like Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, Dr Oz, etc keep getting beat.
Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (cOFom)

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I think the only candidate taking voter fraud seriously is Joe Biden.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, on just the weirdest trip with John Boorman at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (LvTSG)

561 Americans are people who look to the future. The contender that best addresses the current state of economic affairs and then offers credible solutions for the economic crises we face will win the nomination.

Posted by: mrp at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (rj6Yv)

562 549 Jesus Christ, we're going to have to deal with this for over a year.
Posted by: toddg at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (B3RQo)

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Hopefully it's settled by March. So more like 10 months, lol.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (OalnH)

563 Good fucking christ. Can we please live in the actual real world on Earth and not some imaginary fantasy world ? The idea that Ron DeSantis can magically overpower the divided Congress because "he was one of them" is laughably naive, if not stupid. Maybe both. Not to mention that "he was one of them" is not the talking point you think it is.
Posted by: deadrody
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FWIW, that was the argument for George Bush against Reagan back in the day. GHWB served in the House.

Heck, even LBJ was pissed that he got rolled in Congress during the 1966-68 period. Congress critters vote for their own interests including staying in office. It is actually more important to have a great congressional liaison office.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (wUSgb)

564 The 'only Trumpers' are cut from the same piece of used ass-wipe that the 'never Trumpers' are. Non thinking troglodites pretending to be erudite.

Trump bashing DeSantis makes Trump look like a liar and a con-man. Their positions are almost the same on many issues, for Trump to bash Desantis Trump's comittment to the issue seems questionable.

Posted by: Ligma Balzak from Fuggencrass, Vulgaria at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (JNTt1)

565 Suburban women are going to be the issue and Trump already does terrible with them.

Are you one of them?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 25, 2023 02:16 PM (Xrfse)

566 Strawman ftw. RSD supporters keep reusing leftist/commie insults against Trump supporters…and also believe “2020 was totes legit you guys!” very persuasive.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at May 25, 2023 02:16 PM (8Xtys)

567 559 Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM (PCK5/)

Please stop saying what I am saying before I say it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:15 PM (ZCCyW)

I am overflowing with chagrin…

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 02:16 PM (PCK5/)

568 God's will be done.

Amen.

Laters, y'all.

Posted by: SMH at May 25, 2023 02:16 PM (MIuQp)

569 This thread has been fun, but there's a nood above...

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 25, 2023 02:17 PM (0QsXr)

570 I am overflowing with chagrin…

Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2023 02:16 PM (PCK5/)

I don't get no respect!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:17 PM (ZCCyW)

571 I think a lot of posters here live in a bubble where everyone hates Biden. Just like how people in NYC assume everyone hates Trump.

I know plenty of people who would walk over broken glass to vote for Biden again if he's running against. Not because they give a shit about Biden, but because they're convinced Trump winning would mean the end of the world.

Posted by: Montec at May 25, 2023 02:18 PM (OalnH)

572 Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 02:13 PM

I laughed...nervously.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 25, 2023 02:18 PM (Xrfse)

573 551 It means (most likely) DeSantis thinks Trump won't be running, which means some kind of prison/legal trouble.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 02:12 PM (JCZqz)

Or he is setting himself up for a 2028 run.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM

Maybe...Reagan did something similar. But typically, losing a primary isn't a resume enhancer, and people that have lost to TRUMP are typically much worse off than before. If 2028 is the goal, why not make nice with Trump and endorse upfront? Trump is gracious to supporters, would let DeSantis campaign with him and get national exposure if that's what he wants, and much less risk. No, it's more than that.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 02:18 PM (JCZqz)

574 Bob Dole could unify everyone if Bob Dole were running... but Bob Dole is not running. Bob Dole can only vote.

Posted by: Bob Dole at May 25, 2023 02:18 PM (flINI)

575 DeSantis needs to be set up legally to be on the ballot in every state for when Trump is made unalive by the CIA.

Posted by: Not a fed at May 25, 2023 02:19 PM (m9Acq)

576 So only Trump can understand voter fraud (even though both elections he wasnt able to stop it)? Another Republican can't?

If Trump went on a crusade to change state laws regarding voter laws, I would take his claims way more seriously.

I believe Dem voter fraud exists (its just not even a question) but I don't buy into the "only Trump can stop the massive vote hacking" Mainly because "his" people like Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, Dr Oz, etc keep getting beat.
Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (cOFom)

I'm not saying Trump is going to fix voter fraud. I'm outlining why the voter fraud (or millions of voters who just don't show up in the data) affects the analysis.

If 2020 was Trump 60M losing to Biden 65M, the data would suggest we might be able to win fielding another candidate. But accounting for fraud and the claimed totals, it actually looks like we're highly unlikely to beat Trump's 2020 totals. The data suggests we only got that high in the first place with very high crossover voting in our favor. So any candidate is a longshot, Trump is just a slightly more likely longshot.

Unless Biden dies or something, throwing the Ds into a power struggle.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 25, 2023 02:19 PM (eYoxG)

577 We are winning the pro-life battle in the states, so any national candidate should simply punt: "I believe it is up to the states to decide these contentious issues. The federal government has lots of other things to worry about."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Ultimately, I think whether or not someone gets an abortion is less about the laws and more about convincing people on the morality of the issue.

I'd prefer it not be a political issue anymore, personally.

But I have zero doubt it hurts Republicans more than any other issue.

I even know strident Evangelical, pro-life people that wish it was no longer part of the political discussion.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:20 PM (cOFom)

578 If you've spent five years building up your Italian restaurant into a huge success and finally secure financing to turn it into a national chain, you don't suddenly take that money and open a string of hot-dog restaurants. No, you do what made you successful, and what you've built your brand on.
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Notice the example comes from the business world where the objective is transparent - make money - not politics where all to often so called republicans failed to act consistently with their so called stated positions. Maybe he's legit. Maybe not. Don't call me an only Trumper, just because I'm skeptical of a GOP establishment funded guy with establishment credentials. I'm curious but skeptical and waiting to see how things develop. There is no ideal candidate, and pretending one of them is ideal, is credibility destroying in my book.

Posted by: But I'm a close minded bigot named reality at May 25, 2023 02:20 PM (sh1GZ)

579 Imagine the chaos if our side had 4+ viable and desirable candidates that we could trust. Heads would explode.

Posted by: Not a fed at May 25, 2023 02:21 PM (m9Acq)

580 How tf many drag queens are there? Enough to form a whole special-interest group in New Hampshire?!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM (lCaJd)

People don't believe me when I tell them NH is just Northern MA.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 25, 2023 02:21 PM (AW0uW)

581 DeSantis needs to be set up legally to be on the ballot in every state for when Trump is made unalive by the CIA.
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This should be a joke, but isn't. That's where we are.

Posted by: But I'm a close minded bigot named reality at May 25, 2023 02:21 PM (sh1GZ)

582 If 2020 was Trump 60M losing to Biden 65M, the data would suggest we might be able to win fielding another candidate. But accounting for fraud and the claimed totals, it actually looks like we're highly unlikely to beat Trump's 2020 totals. The data suggests we only got that high in the first place with very high crossover voting in our favor. So any candidate is a longshot, Trump is just a slightly more likely longshot.

Unless Biden dies or something, throwing the Ds into a power struggle.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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I'm honestly asking here, but where are you getting that Trump had massive crossover appeal where Democrats voted for him in big numbers? The same exit polling that also showed Biden winning? Id love to see hard data.

Trump is polarizing, he pulls out both sides in big numbers. That's why the vote totals for both were so large.

Posted by: Blago at May 25, 2023 02:22 PM (cOFom)

583 Notice the example comes from the business world where the objective is transparent - make money - not politics...

Wait...what?

Posted by: Bud Light at May 25, 2023 02:23 PM (JCZqz)

584 I think this is an excellent point, and one that I have made on Sefton's and my podcast.

We are winning the pro-life battle in the states, so any national candidate should simply punt: "I believe it is up to the states to decide these contentious issues. The federal government has lots of other things to worry about."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Social issues are wedge issues because anything other than pro life or pro abortion gets hammered by both sides. Same as immigration, trans issues, gay marriage, and so on. Those losing at the state level will take it to the federal level and those losing at the federal will go to the states.

Not sure you can stay a non combatant that way. Just look at the trashing people are getting on the blog for not committing to DeSantis or Trump right now and waiting until primaries for it. You cannot split those candidates and their attributes so fan bickering tends to go off the rails in a purity spiral.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:23 PM (wUSgb)

585 How tf many drag queens are there? Enough to form a whole special-interest group in New Hampshire?!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 25, 2023 02:14 PM

Are there enough to form a brigade for us to send in support of Ukraine? Maybe the left and right can reach a compromise?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 25, 2023 02:24 PM (JCZqz)

586 Calls her mother, hoping against hope. Is it cancer? Is it bankruptcy?

No. It's DeSantis's driver's license law. It now excludes illegal gate-crashers who have full citizenship in another country, where they could go now if they wanted.

The five awful words are uttered: "We have to leave Florida."
==
Call uber, you babies.

Posted by: But I'm a close minded bigot named reality at May 25, 2023 02:25 PM (sh1GZ)

587 Meh, it doesn't matter to me, I don't get a vote now that my state has declared openly illegal elections to be the only way things are run, as long as it benefits the establishment and not the citizens.

Also, we never have a say in who is the presidential nominee and I'm not allowed to vote in the primaries, anyway.

It's all theatre, bread and circuses, etc etc...

Posted by: soulpile at May 25, 2023 02:26 PM (hiX0r)

588 Trump is polarizing, he pulls out both sides in big numbers. That's why the vote totals for both were so large.
Posted by: Blago

R - 60 million
D - 65 million

How many d votes were manufactured?

That's what you have to beat.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 25, 2023 02:26 PM (6hSPF)

589 Do the same for renting / purchasing property, no citizen, no go. We have to make it as uncomfortable as possible for illegals. They shouldn't even be able to open a savings account at a US Owned bank or travel on any conveyance that requires an ID.

Posted by: F' em all at May 25, 2023 02:28 PM (FjlUt)

590 I was referring to the "people" who turned up to vote in 2020's general but apparently don't at any other time including 2022 or the 2020 primaries.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

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That would require that GOP actively repudiate a number of their stances on funding Ukraine and crap in Syria, voting to remove MFN status from China, withdrawal from the WTO, real infrastructure spending funded by welfare cuts, apprenticeship and technical training funded by cuts to aid to colleges, enforcing current immigration laws, and so on.

Every one of those would be blocked by GOP House/Senate members from even making the floor to be debated. So, the coverup is pointless blathering boilerplate GOP consultant approved public statements and appearances on talking head programs.

Posted by: whig at May 25, 2023 02:29 PM (wUSgb)

591 I know the person Ben Shapiro supports is not the person I will support.

Listening to the Gay & Cuck show suck off Rob makes me wish there was a Rush Limbaugh Curse the way there is a Trump Curse. What absolutely pathetic radio hosts.

Posted by: UwU_Power at May 25, 2023 02:30 PM (3kWw+)

592 One vote left in me, it won't be Ronnie

Posted by: slubdog at May 25, 2023 02:31 PM (Re9MM)

593 I really can't seem to get my head around the 'disloyalty to Trump' thing. Yes, Trump did endorse DeSantis in the first Gov race and good on him for doing so. DeSantis got re-elected in a landslide because of what he did as Gov, not because of Trump's endorsement. Let's not forget, Trump started blasting DeSantis long before he declared his intention to run, so is the Trump Loyalty Requirement only a one-way street?

Posted by: Bonecrusher at May 25, 2023 02:35 PM (JNTt1)

594 The point about the overturning of Roe v. Wade is Federalism.

It was always supposed to be a state issue. If New Jersey wants abortion, it's their prerogative.

If other states want to abolish it, it's their prerogative too.

If wine moms get upset, joke them if they can't take a fuck.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 25, 2023 02:35 PM (vg8N1)

595 Hey do I need to rent an U-Haul truck and slowly run into a barrier to prove to you people I am the chosen one???

Posted by: Archer at May 25, 2023 02:36 PM (gmo/4)

596 The whole issue is moot. The Praetorian Guard will not let either win. The Legions choose the next Emperor.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 25, 2023 02:38 PM (vg8N1)

597 You'd think DeSantis supporters like Ace would be a tiny bit concerned at his disastrous political decision-making recently. He was tied or ahead of Trump in the polls after the 2022 midterms. He then decided to sit on his ass for SEVEN MONTHS. Now Trump is doubling DeSantis or worse in most polls.

It doesn't matter how much you love the guy if he can't win.

Posted by: MBunge at May 25, 2023 02:41 PM (2tWdQ)

598 People said the same thing about Trump in 2016. Trump needs to answer for his missteps. If DeSantis is smart he hits him on Fauci and two weeks to slow the spread.

Posted by: jcelephant at May 25, 2023 02:42 PM (i+Yu5)

599 sock off

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 25, 2023 02:42 PM (Vwz3I)

600 I see the "Lyin Teds father was Fidel Castros gay lover" nonsense has once again begun. Yay us...

Posted by: Fisht at May 25, 2023 02:44 PM (ZRarh)

601 Who is more apt to uproot the triple letter agencies at this point in time? To ask the question is to answer it.

Posted by: R at May 25, 2023 02:45 PM (unqP1)

602 I won't vote for DeSantis simply because he seems to be the favorite of those who were so adamantly opposed to Trump in 2016 that the term 'nevertrump' was coined. 'Principles!' they shouted. Now, though, we have to support THEIR candidate or the nation is doomed. Chutzpah defined.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at May 25, 2023 02:48 PM (hHtIc)

603 I trust neither Trump nor Desantis will make Govt smaller.

Posted by: Fisht at May 25, 2023 02:57 PM (ZRarh)

604 571 I think a lot of posters here live in a bubble where everyone hates Biden. Just like how people in NYC assume everyone hates Trump.

I know plenty of people who would walk over broken glass to vote for Biden again if he's running against. Not because they give a shit about Biden, but because they're convinced Trump winning would mean the end of the world.
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True. But the "DeSantis-is-a-book-burning-racist-homophobe" is starting to take root amongst the blue state LIV drones.

Posted by: Mehmet at May 25, 2023 02:57 PM (/81oX)

605 Jessie Kelly was right yesterday when he said that in the non-internet world the Trump and DeSantis people are 99% the same. I'd happily vote for either. One guy gave us the best economy in 30+ years and real wage growth and the other is the best Governor in the country. I couldn't give a shit about the political food fight between the two and their surrogates, because that's all it is. There will be sites (not this one) that I just stop reading any more on the Right because it's all going to get very tiresome. At least for the next 12-13 months.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at May 25, 2023 02:58 PM (zdYK9)

606 602 I won't vote for DeSantis simply because he seems to be the favorite of those who were so adamantly opposed to Trump in 2016 that the term 'nevertrump' was coined. 'Principles!' they shouted. Now, though, we have to support THEIR candidate or the nation is doomed. Chutzpah defined.
Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at May 25, 2023 02:48 PM (hHtIc)
RDS can decide who rides in his wagon and who does not. If he can't see and understand what he is doing with Jeb! , Paul Fuckstick Ryan, and Karl The Traitor Rove in his circle then he deserves every blast he receives from the Orange Bazooka.
It'd be easy to support RDS in the future.
but it's hard to understand how or why he thinks he has THE answers to our National ills that Trump does not at this point in time.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at May 25, 2023 03:02 PM (297ig)

607 The travel advisory stuff is so stupid.

I've been informed by the left that the vast majority of illegals are Europeans who overstay their visas. So if illegals are actually a bunch of Russians, why is cracking down on illegals an attack on Latins? Especially when if the right says illegal = hispanic, we get called racists (never mind that hispanic isn't even a race)?

The gays should be more worried about their fellow travelers' belief that gay boys are actually girls (and vice versa). That's how gays are actually being erased.

Posted by: the other coyote at May 25, 2023 03:08 PM (eJ8C0)

608 Interesting that Trump doesn't discuss policy but only takes cheap shots at the real conservative. Starting to think that Trump is the op.

Posted by: Trump steaks used to be delicious but now there is no meat at May 25, 2023 03:12 PM (VsUo2)

609 Posted by: DanMan at May 25, 2023 01:58 PM (8uzBS)

Easy: Those never happened. You made them up to cope, cupcake.

Posted by: The Inverted One at May 25, 2023 03:12 PM (2UiSl)

610 I laugh out loud reading some of these comments about Trump burning down the Republican Party if he doesn't get the nomination. Comedy gold!

If ANY party ever deserved to get burned to the ground, it's the Republicans. They tried to run Trump out of the primary in 2016. They did absolutely NOTHING to defend him as president, to speak out against the ludicrous charges against him, even when they knew those charges were complete bullshit. They let their "good friends across the aisle" brand MAGA as a white supremacists movement, denigrating the average, patriotic citizens who make the country work and again, they said NOTHING. Then they sat by quietly, suspiciously so, while the Democrats and the Soros-Zuckerberg backed Left stole a national election of hugh consequence to America's future and did NOTHING, even in the states where their party had control of the legislatures and governorships.
So please, rabid Desantis supporters, NeverTrump puppets and GOPe, I give two jacks and zero shits if Trump exploded your lying, corporatist, traitorous party of lobby whores, should he be cheated out of the nomination. So go with Trump or go and fuck yourselves!!!

Posted by: Tracy at May 25, 2023 03:18 PM (3ep4x)

611 Trump/DeSantis/whoever matters not considering the republican party isn't even a serious entity focused on a common purpose.

This guy is right - DeSantis is just a shadow campaign to further distract them/us that 2020 and 2022 were illegitimate elections and because of that we are destined to lose again unless we unite in purpose behind the legitimate winner of 2020.

https://tinyurl.com/279wwukc

Posted by: Danimal28 at May 25, 2023 03:21 PM (klw0w)

612 The key question for me is, does DeSantis understand why Trump imposed tariffs on goods made in China, and will he resume Trump's successful but incomplete (due to Covid, which is why China was complicit in that whole operation) trade war aimed to reduce the trade imbalance between the two countries?

Posted by: IveGotASpecialPurpose at May 25, 2023 03:25 PM (M1tLo)

613
Let's see here.

Make America Great Again. - Trump.
The Great American Comeback. - DeSantis.

Does DeSantis have an original bone in his body?
Doesn't he seem like some sort of watered-down conservative who would have been relegated to a "never was" had it not been for Trump's endorsement?

Answers: No & Yes.
Ace, he doesn't have to be con-artist to be GOPe stooge.
He's just weak tea.

Posted by: Bach in Black at May 25, 2023 04:05 PM (7ubmG)

614 A far right wing racist run to the right from Trump and DeSantis. I love it. Who would have ever thought I would live long enough to see an anti-immigration purity spiral! lol

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 25, 2023 04:19 PM (NTi06)

615 You can't beat a celebrity with a politician. President Trump celebrity has a status all its own, which cam never be matched by DeSantis no matter all his good deeds. But after Trump, he's unstoppable with all the Hispanics behind him.

Posted by: Oldfogey at May 25, 2023 04:32 PM (C9y+B)

616 Liberal Journalists are a real bunch of lowlife gutter dwellers

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 25, 2023 04:49 PM (wGqjj)

617 In what country did he sign this law?

Sometimes he likes to go overseas to sign legislation.

Posted by: creep at May 25, 2023 05:58 PM (Cp+UT)

618 Trump brought peace and prosperity to the country for four years and reduced illegal immigration to a trickle. That's what he accomplished and there's no reason a 2nd term wouldn't be more of the same.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 25, 2023 06:32 PM (gzz0o)

619 Trumpservatives seem like Borg Collective Pedocrats, because before Trump - most of them were life-long Pedocrat voters.
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Well there's a fucking new one. God what a load of shit this is.

I wish some of you assholes were here last time we went through this on 2016 when it was like 8 of us vs the entire board.

Posted by: ... at May 25, 2023 07:37 PM (Q2yze)

620 Please clap.

Posted by: Jeb! at May 25, 2023 07:50 PM (WiAW9)

621 By preventing illegals from getting drivers licenses, Desantis essentially also cracked down on voter fraud.

Great article. Bottom line for me: I will vote for either guy before giving my vote to the Dems by abstaining (looking at you, OnlyTrumpers!) However, many solid, thoughtful conservatives I know are feeling the same exhaustion I feel about Trump.

Posted by: ItsAllEschaton at May 25, 2023 08:22 PM (iRt1/)

622 One other politician- Scott Walker. Not quite the achievements of DeSantis, but caved on immigration after getting a talking to from one on his donors, Stanley Hubbard.

I'm confused by NeverTrump supporting him. They don't support DeSantis, so I think they have other intentions but I can't figure out their plan. Perhaps Nikki Haley as VP is good enough, or maybe they want to have her take the top spot in some way after DeSantis wins the nomination.

Posted by: MikeN at May 25, 2023 08:26 PM (XygMV)

623 You need to lose the Only Trumper bullshit. It implies equivalence with Never Trumpers. But we didn't break any pact to support the winner of the primaries, in fact we kept our word and supported RINOs. We're not treacherous, we're simply loyal to the only candidate that's proven himself as President.

And there have been some shitty DeSantis supporters over at
Instapundit for the last 18 months. I don't take you to task for what they say

Posted by: Fenrisulven at May 25, 2023 08:39 PM (fC566)

624 I have my doubts about DeSantis, but Trump's unremitting attacks on DeSantis rather than Biden's Politburo forced me to support DeSantis. That combined with TRrump's failure to take action against the obvious traitors in his regime.

Posted by: Jane at May 25, 2023 08:44 PM (EcD5Y)

625 Why is building a wall considered a solution?

Has anyone noticed that we have a 90-mile saltware MOAT between Florida and Cuba, filled with man-eating sharks, and that has done nothing to stop Cubans from illegally immigrating.

Why would a 30-foot wall stop anyone?
SERIOUSLY.
Explain that.

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Posted by: banisters at May 25, 2023 09:05 PM (Q8ny4)

627 4 Rudy Giuliani, for example, almost immediately revealed himself as a pawn of the open borders corporate conspiracy when he said he would not build a wall, but instead would create a "virtual wall" of drones and electronic monitoring.
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Scott Walker is another good example.

And don't forget Rick "you have no heart" Perry

Posted by: Hugh Dudgeon at May 25, 2023 09:45 PM (pX6nB)

628 Yawn... Acester - really - a repeat of AoS 2015/6 (except in VPN 2024 your big bad "ban hammer" is a limp as your dick)?? Shut the fuck up already and jump back on the Trump train. Enough of the theatrics. You're drinking your own koolaid.

Posted by: MikeN at May 25, 2023 10:01 PM (pTSZj)

629 I remember Giuliani quite clearly state "If you hit a cop you're going to jail." I think his record in NYC gets him a little leeway.

I'm still unsure if Ace is for DeSantis. We only have six months to go before he finally makes his choice on the eve of the first primaries.

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