The Catastrophically Misplaced National Security Focus Of The Biden Junta

Actually, the idea that a border dispute between two regional kleptocracies is of any importance to the security of the United States is too stupid a thought to entertain for more than a few seconds, unless you are a highly placed official in ersatz president Biden's inner circle. In which case the interests of America are unimportant...the most important thing is keeping the graft flowing freely.

Once the Russian armed forces were exposed as being mediocre at best, the war became a garden variety war of attrition, without sufficient superiority on either side for a decisive campaign. Whether that remains in effect is a question for experts on the Russian military, but it makes no sense to assume that had Putin been capable of a fast and decisive military campaign he would not have done so.

Ukraine Conflict Could Now Last DECADES, According to Biden Govt Insiders.

Joe Biden’s government is now planning for the Ukraine conflict to last years – “perhaps decades” – with no clear victor, according to insider claims.
POLITICO – a German-owned outlet the “intelligence community” often uses to plant information – spoke to a number of current and former officials “granted anonymity to describe sensitive issues” who believe Ukraine could become a frozen conflict.
“We are planning for the long term, whether it looks frozen or thawed,” said a source the report described as a “U.S. official familiar with the Biden administration’s discussions on Ukraine.”
The new claims echo a warning made by National Pulse editor Raheem Kassam on Steve Bannon’s War Room in December 2021. Kassam said at the time: “If Americans thought Afghanistan was a debacle and took decades, and trillions of dollars, then let me tell you this as a matter of fact: if you get into a hot war with Russia over Ukraine, you will be there for 50 years, and tens of trillions of dollars. This is no small altercation you’re talking about, and not a short altercation you’re talking about.”

We have the current version of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea, Iraq...a huge and deep hole into which America pours its treasure, but hopefully not its blood....yet. Until we get a populist president in the White House this never-ending war will continue to be financed by the people of America, for no other reason than to maintain the graft, maintain the fiction that Putin is the world's arch villain, and to deflect our attention away from the monumental domestic problems that are probably the first 50 on most American's lists of issues before you hit Ukraine.

But the senile drooler-in-chief has powerful allies in the media who are content to lie about Ukraine's importance in the geopolitical dance. Never mind that China is by far the more aggressive adversary, and by far the greatest national security threat we face.

What is it going to look like? Just like a dozen other low-intensity conflicts, only with modern missile defenses and anti-aircraft systems that make air superiority a pipe dream. And that costs...a lot! Ukraine isn't running out of rifle ammunition...it is running out of complex and expensive weapons that have no robust supply chain and manufacturing capacity that can be ramped up at a moment's notice. So we are depleting our own stocks to prop up the Ukrainian klepotcrats so that they can lounge and shop on Rue du Faubourg Saint Honoré and Bond Street while their own people suffer...a little bit.

Just wait until next year's military budget when the Joint Chiefs tell Congress that we are down 50% from our planned stocks and we must jump start the already bloated and wealthy military-industrial complex with a few hundred billion dollars to get their assembly lines rolling faster. Too bad Eisenhower isn't around to point it out (having done nothing about it!).

All for a war that means nothing to our security, and even very little to Europe's security. Russia isn't going to invade Poland or Romania or Slovakia...they have demonstrated that they can't conduct a successful war on their own border, much less project force.

And coincidentally, China is the biggest buyer of Russian oil. I wonder if there is any connection?

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 Good afternoon everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 12:01 PM (xhxe8)

2 Sunday

Posted by: Ciampino - another Frenchie word at May 21, 2023 12:01 PM (qfLjt)

3 Wait! Still have pants on!

Posted by: Walter Krankheit at May 21, 2023 12:01 PM (Nn3xT)

4 I think we pull the money and wish them good luck.

Posted by: Piper at May 21, 2023 12:04 PM (ZdaMQ)

5 Biden focus is Muh pronouns.

Complete BS.

Our enemies laugh as our country dies, and they must do nothing.

Posted by: zooomzooom at May 21, 2023 12:04 PM (Y0Ei4)

6 Anyone who invested in one (or more) of the MIC contractors back 4+ years ago will be sitting pretty for the foreseeable future.

"War is good for business."

- Military Industrial Complex contractors everywhere -

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 21, 2023 12:04 PM (Q4IgG)

7 The military-industrial complex is the reason DJT had to go. "Any means to an end" and all that.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 12:05 PM (MeG8a)

8 Read this: https://tinyurl.com/2u5p8hcj

It's about how we nearly blundered into nuclear war in September of 1983 without realizing it, and the ominous parallels with the situation today.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:08 PM (2tUFv)

9 In the title, I would replace the word "Catastrophically" with "Intentionally."

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 21, 2023 12:08 PM (Frnu2)

10 Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy Says Upcoming Star Wars Film Will Question: “Does the Galaxy Need [The Jedi] Anymore?”

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That's a question I've been asking myself for years now.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)

11 War Is Peace.

Military actions with no DoW, politicians with no skin or kin in the game and profiting from overseas adventures and rape.

Just more reasons to abolish the federal government.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2023 12:09 PM (R/m4+)

12 Howdy, all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 21, 2023 12:09 PM (Xrfse)

13 Christopher Reeve on amateurs making national policy

https://tinyurl.com/yfz8f8px

Posted by: DB - everybody Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:09 PM (geLO8)

14 A man whose life sentence was commuted by then-President Obama in 2015 has now been charged with the shooting of a woman in a road rage incident. The woman is brain-dead and not expected to survive. The shooting occured early on Sunday morning near Chicago. Mills admitted to police that he was the shooter, and has now been charged.

https://bit.ly/3MLRO51

Well, women drivers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)

15 I have said all along, we have no business in the Ukraine at all

Posted by: vic at May 21, 2023 12:10 PM (mMi2k)

16 Bilderbergers just met ... too bad we only have leftists there to "represent" us. But they don't represent us, they represent the grifters.

It may be that the corporations run the country, but they are (imo) controlled by the globalists, whom we have made uber-rich by government (DeepState) policies.

China controls our supply lines for many things, yet I keep hearing they are approaching a demographic collapse, and/or the end of the line for their economy. idk, but the next war may be won or lost on those "unlimited warfare" terms, not the battlefield. (and that was has already begun)

Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2023 12:10 PM (Cus5s)

17 Once the Russian armed forces were exposed as being mediocre at best, the war became a garden variety war of attrition, without sufficient superiority on either side for a decisive campaign ...

YES ! ... thank heavens we have the F-35, the F-22 with its' non-op O2 system for the pilots, and the joke otherwise known as the Patriot system. And our oh-so conveniently off-shored industrial capability. And of course the PC/woke/assholery of Miley et al in establishing a diverse force that includes naval vessels crewed with xe xer xims that cannot avoid collisions with behemoth tankers

Posted by: Thomas Anderson at May 21, 2023 12:10 PM (aY8cs)

18 The "war" in Ukraine is a decades long operation, that crosses administrations of both parties... because it's an American war, orchestrated to serve the masters of the American political system. Namely, corporatists and their deep state toadies.

Leaving aside the need to explain that Biden doesn't make ANY decisions in his White House, this is not about anything anyone is saying out loud. It never was. Destroying Russia is the goal, and frankly, I'm not sure why, specifically, Russia, except that everyone in our Deep State apparatus was raised to hate Russia.

As I've said many times on this here webzine: We're the baddies. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:11 PM (cR8od)

19 The worst element of the present crisis, at least from our side, isn’t the virulent Russophobia emitting from the same people who scoffed at standing up to the Kremlin when it was controlled by zealots hell-bent on worldwide Communist revolution—by conquest if necessary. It’s not even the newfound war fever of former pacifists who once denounced military preparedness as reckless provocation. It’s the casual insouciance with which elites now speak of nuclear exchanges as an acceptable price to pay for stopping Russia and, really, not all that bad. Exhibit A is Anne Applebaum’s recent Atlantic column entitled “Fear of Nuclear War Has Warped the West’s Ukraine Strategy.”

The West is not doing enough to escalate the conflict, she argues, because “[w]e feel relieved, somehow, that people will die because they have frozen in unheated apartments or drowned in an artificial flood, and not from nuclear fallout.” And, hey, what’s the difference?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:11 PM (2tUFv)

20 Next year is the key. Have said before, Putin will stall for a year, taking what he can while he re-equips and re-trains his military. Next year he sweeps the board, doing whatever it takes.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:12 PM (YGqO/)

21 Say what you will about Vlad Putin, he's got something on the ball.

Russia Bans 500 U.S. Citizens, Including Obama, Talk Show Hosts

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 12:13 PM (FVME7)

22 The powers that be will convince Retardo and family to step down (greasing palms all the way). Kameltoe will take office, and ask that Hilz be VP, and with the help of GOPe get it. Kameltoe will go back to dicksucking in sunny CA (also with palms greased) and Hilz will take office, resulting in never ending wars with American blood spilled to benefit the poor oppressed people of the Earth. But mostly the Clinton's.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:13 PM (lz5hY)

23 >Russia Bans 500 U.S. Citizens, Including Obama, Talk Show Hosts

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Putin leads the way
can we do this? Please?

Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:14 PM (geLO8)

24 Seriously, the survival of the free world wasn’t grave enough to risk nuclear confrontation, but who controls the Donbass is? When MSNBC and CNN talking heads start making Curtis LeMay sound circumspect, the world has turned upside down.
...
At any rate, it is surely disconcerting to hear the same people who denounce Russia as poor, backward, besotted, demographically crippled, undeveloped, a “gas station with nukes,” as at the same time a grave threat to the cool-country club. Are the cool countries and their order really that weak? If so, don’t they face more pressing threats than Russia?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:14 PM (2tUFv)

25 Ukraine is going to turn into Afghanistan Part Duex and we will be stick there for 10+ years.

All in accordance with the prophecy of the military/industrial complex. It's not like we weren't warned.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 21, 2023 12:15 PM (ncXxy)

26 *stuck.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 21, 2023 12:15 PM (ncXxy)

27 Well, pro-Russian and Ukrainian nationalists have been at each other's throats for decades in a slow burning civil war. If one was to use that as a yardstick this shit show may very well end being "the longest war" in history.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 21, 2023 12:16 PM (Q4IgG)

28 Putin leads the way
can we do this? Please?

Russia banned the murderous cop that shot Ashli Babbitt.

This proves that Trump is still conspiring with Russia, or something.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:16 PM (2tUFv)

29 Hole in one!

Jordan Spieth Hits One Into Porta-Potty at PGA Championship

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 12:17 PM (FVME7)

30 Well, we have this reference: Mike Klonsky, 1980. These Maoist SDS are now fully embedded in the US Government.
"The U.S., of course, is one of the two superpowers in the world. It is one of the people’s main enemies and certainly the direct enemy of the American people."
And, re: USSR/Russia:
"As for China, that is a socialist country which has the right and the necessity to enter into certain agreements and to utilize every tactic they can to oppose the Soviet drive."
The people running this thing turned on 'Russia' as far back as 1980; while 'Conservatives' were on about Communist Russia, the real Communists emphatically stripped the USSR of its title of Socialist, and did it 50 years ago.
Anti-Russia activity, short- or long-term, is not surprising.

Posted by: LenNeal at May 21, 2023 12:18 PM (43xH1)

31 Funny, but it never gets mentioned that Russia is, in all likelihood, slow-walking this conflict on purpose. The intended purpose behind this strategy is to drain "the West" of military capabilities and hardware, expose the weakness in their adversary's military personnel, show the world the hypocrisy of so-called leaders like Biden and Zelensky, and deplete Ukraine of resources so that what is left in the future will present no threat to mother Russia. So far, this approach seems to be working.

Posted by: Lurker #4975 at May 21, 2023 12:18 PM (1g1YE)

32 The Deep State is part of the Military Industrial Complex and they do love a long drawn out war.

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 12:18 PM (xhxe8)

33 I think Russia is pulling her punches in Ukraine, same as America pulled her punches in Afstan. Trying to avoid needless civilian casualties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2023 12:19 PM (MuQ0v)

34 >I think Russia is pulling her punches in Ukraine, same as America pulled her punches in Afstan. Trying to avoid needless civilian casualties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I don't think Russia has ever been too concerned with needless civilian casualties.

imo, ymmv

Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:20 PM (geLO8)

35 https://bit.ly/3MLRO51

Well, women drivers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)

I wonder if that woman's family can bring a suit against Barky and Fauxcahontas? Reckless endangerment?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2023 12:20 PM (MuQ0v)

36 In 1969, the USMC recruiter was sitting on Mom and Dad's couch, 'splainin how the war in Vietnam was winding down and it was doubtful Billy would ever go. So there I was in 1970. And there I was in 1972. Don't tell me they can't keep things churning if need be. Consolation prize. 1972 adventure included my recruiter on the same plane. He got dropped of in DaNang, I went to Bien Hoa.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:21 PM (lz5hY)

37 ...resulting in never ending wars with American blood spilled to benefit the poor oppressed people of the Earth. But mostly the Clinton's.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:13 PM (lz5hY)

Look on the bright side, all it takes is Pootin to get an itch, push the button, and the nooks fly, thus relieving ALL of us from having to talk about any of this stuff ever again.

When the next sentient beings inhabit this planet, a billion or so years from now, they'll have absolutely no memory or evidence that any of this happened.

And that's a happy thought, init?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:21 PM (U0PO9)

38 "Russia banned the murderous cop that shot Ashli Babbitt. This proves that Trump is still conspiring with Russia, or something."

yeah, that was kinda odd. It does highlight that there is a murderous junta running our federal government.

China banned Bannon and MAGA types, iirc. We need detente with Russia, and to decouple (supply chains and more) from China.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2023 12:23 PM (Cus5s)

39 Russia bans 500 US citizens

A Bad Blue last week had one
The only ones it turns out not part of the Trump/ Russian Collusion are Trump and Russia.
Take note most I saw in that list were pushers of this Propaganda

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 12:23 PM (xhxe8)

40 Putin leads the way
can we do this? Please?
Posted by: DB
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Who'da thunk it?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2023 12:23 PM (vNC/Y)

41 Nice Siberia you have there. It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.

The China-Global South Project @ChinaGSProject · 12h
The leaders of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan arrived in the ancient Silk Road city of Xi’an for one-on-one meetings with Chinese President Xi Jinping ahead of the first in-person China-Central Asia summit on Friday.

https://tinyurl.com/5x2w5vkf

Meanwhile...
The China-Global South Project @ChinaGSProject · 16h
A new set of charts compiled by the China-Mideast researcher @AGhiselliChina provides an intriguing glimpse of how Chinese investment in Sub-Saharan Africa is evolving. The charts are based on data from statistical yearbooks and investment bulletins.
https://tinyurl.com/26z6j6rf

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 21, 2023 12:23 PM (Vwz3I)

42 There has got to be a better name than war for a decades-long dispute between historically antagonistic geopoolitical rivals with no substantive territorial gains/losses.

Border dispute?
Grudge?
Feud?
Standoff?

I know "The Troubles"

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (kXYt5)

43 I've always thought that all China has to do to bring the US to it's knees is stop shipping key drugs. Within a couple weeks the supply chain will be empty and then all hell will break out. You can bet the DC folk will have a supply available and that will be the issue that finally burns the elites.

And this is why China probably won't do it because any vital health supply chain interruptions ultimately threatens the corrupt elite who are essentially foreign agents at this point.

Posted by: pawn at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (wsHtO)

44 There is no American interest in Ukraine.

If there was an opposition party they'd have already pulled all funding.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (lc5cP)

45 We need to forget Ukraine and invade Corto Maltese.

Posted by: If we're going to make shit up might as well go all the way at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (09rn/)

46 "Crossfire Hurricane was a perfect storm of failure". No, a perfect storm comes from ~20 conditions such that you might only expect it to happen once in a lifetime. We didn't have 20, we had one, that a republican was running competitively.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (ybIRR)

47 Next year he sweeps the board, doing whatever it takes.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:12 PM (YGqO/)

Do you think that the constant resupply of cutting edge (at least against Russian stuff) weaponry won't blunt a second push?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (lIySD)

48 37 I often think about it, living a couple miles from 2 ground zero targets. That scotch under the kitchen sink is gonna taste mighty good when the last sirens go off.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:25 PM (lz5hY)

49 I think Russia is pulling her punches in Ukraine, same as America pulled her punches in Afstan. Trying to avoid needless civilian casualties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I don't think Russia has ever been too concerned with needless civilian casualties.

imo, ymmv
Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:20 PM (geLO

It's possible both these statements are true. What if Chi Nah is "advising" Russia to stay its hand. Keep from escalating to the point of overt American troop insertion. Or some other reason.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:25 PM (U0PO9)

50 Sectarian strife?

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:25 PM (kXYt5)

51 I don't think Russia has ever been too concerned with needless civilian casualties.

imo, ymmv
Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:20 PM (geLO

Well, the Soviets never were, but Russia isn't Soviet anymore. They regard Ukraine as "family" in a way, and want to "correct" them, not exterminate them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2023 12:25 PM (MuQ0v)

52 President DB would tell Ukraine to pound sand, and instead send armor and infantry to the US-Mexican border

Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:26 PM (geLO8)

53 Preach it brother CBD!

Northrop Grumman is making money hand over fist.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 21, 2023 12:26 PM (5u1+1)

54 I have said all along, we have no business in the Ukraine at all
Posted by: vic
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Oh, I don't know about that.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at May 21, 2023 12:26 PM (gJagN)

55 >Well, the Soviets never were, but Russia isn't Soviet anymore. They regard Ukraine as "family" in a way, and want to "correct" them, not exterminate them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

perhaps- I may be wrong, I haven't been involved in geopolitics for some time
best case scenario is both sides get tired of the whole affair, and go home

Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:27 PM (geLO8)

56 "There is no American interest in Ukraine. "

Except secrecy. I'm convinced this is why Russia invaded, because so much dangerous nonsense was happening so close to its border. 40+ bio-warfare labs. Money laundering. Outright slavery.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 12:27 PM (MeG8a)

57 Our church and local community is being asked to house Ukrainian refugees because a missionary to Ukraine is orginally from here. Those volunteering need to provide proof to the State Dept of housing, jobs, and education that will be offered to the refugees once they get here; so this is not a minor commitment.

Sounds like a great cause, right? Well... In this group of refugees, there's a pair of twin "boys" our friends are looking at taking in. They sound like ideal immigrants-know English, very bright, very talented.... and they're turning 18 in September. That's right, my friends are essentially helping these young men dodge the Ukrainian draft because "they're too smart to be cannon fodder" according to the husband.

I have.... qualms about this but if the Ukrainian government lets imminent draftees resettle in the US, then who am I to judge?

Posted by: pookysgirl, wondering about morality at May 21, 2023 12:27 PM (dtlDP)

58 Thirty Years War

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2023 12:28 PM (63Dwl)

59 You nailed it, CBD. We shouldn’t be spending a cent there while our own border is open. I do not understand, for the life of me, the love affair between leftists and our media (redundant?) with Zelensky. He seems like a garden-variety corrupt junta leader of a 3rd world country. If I had to guess, I’d suspect this all goes back (as so much does these days) to Trump hate. The Russia hoax meant we must hate Putin…. And Zelensky good because Putin bad (the reality, I think, is that both Putin and Zelensky are thugs). I have absolutely no doubt this war would not have started if Trump’s 2020 victory had not been stolen and he were in office.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 21, 2023 12:29 PM (xT8gx)

60 Tori Nuland, her hubs Robert Kagan and Jake Sullivan have been running the state dept for at least 20 years, all Clintonites

Tori was Dick Cheney's natsec and started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

she also started the color revolution in Ukraine which led to the overthrow of a Putin friendly president and soon after Putin take over Crimea

her people are in Israel and Hungary atm trying to stir up shit there cuz she hates Bibi and Orban

funny how all three, Tori, her hubs and Jake all left the state dept in 2017

in fact, Robert Kagan left the GOP and endored Cankles in 2016

now they are back and had us at war with Russia in less than a year

these people are evil fucks

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 12:29 PM (us2H3)

61 There has got to be a better name than war for a decades-long dispute between historically antagonistic geopoolitical rivals with no substantive territorial gains/losses.

Border dispute?
Grudge?
Feud?
Standoff?

I know "The Troubles"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (kXYt5)

In 1991, the Booshies promised Russia we wouldn't move NATO one inch to the east, if the commies gave up.

We've since moved approximately 1000 miles to the east.

Territory HAS been gained/lost.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:30 PM (kz1AU)

62 " Next year he sweeps the board, doing whatever it takes."

And if Our Lady of Fatima is correct, (or is it La Solette?) Russia will march all the way to Rome.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 21, 2023 12:31 PM (5u1+1)

63 President DB would also open the Ellipse to flat-track racing

Posted by: DB - yes we can't at May 21, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO8)

64 Haven't seen or heard much from our "experts" since Bakhmut fell. The reaction from a few media types has been "well it's completely destroyed so the Russians are gaining zip". Except territory idiots. Still waiting for that big Ukrainian spring offensive. Still think from a military standpoint this war looks like US Civil War. Russia is like the Union, more industrial, larger military and population , largely surrounding the smaller nation so they can attack on different fronts. Ukraine is Confederacy, more agriculture , smaller population, the souths martial nature replaced by US supplying ukes with weapons, plus fighting on their own land. Russians simply grinding ukes down , like Union grinding down Confederacy.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 21, 2023 12:33 PM (aVRvI)

65

Why is my bunghole so sore?

Posted by: Ima Citizen at May 21, 2023 12:34 PM (6YNFT)

66 57 If some Uke kid was dodging the draft, more power to him. Just this morning the neighbor lady was saying she was trying to encourage her daughter to go into the military. Daughter is interested in a medical education. Years ago, I would have said great, go into the Navy for an HM rate. No more. The way things are going, she could stitch up a Marine and be tried as an accomplice to war crimes.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:34 PM (lz5hY)

67 Territory HAS been gained/lost.

*******

I would say more like sphere of influence has shifted, but that was probably in the cards onceTthe Wall came down. Maybe a distinction without a difference.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:34 PM (kXYt5)

68 these people are evil fucks
Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 12:29 PM (us2H3)

And they are toadies, serving masters with more money and power than most of us can imagine.

Yes, these people remain where they are because they are psychopaths, and the NWO/Great Resetters need psychopaths to think up new and cunning ways to kill humans.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:34 PM (kz1AU)

69 Most of the fighting in Ukraine is where the Russian/Russian friendly people live...it would be odd if the Russians weren't being careful about civilian casualties.

And note...that makes sense. We should have been filling jihadis at a much greater rate, because they were our enemies in Iraq and A'Stan...but the Donbassians are like the Kurds in Iraq (well closer actually since they are Russians).

Posted by: 18-1 at May 21, 2023 12:35 PM (lc5cP)

70 Peter Zeihan is usually pretty measured in his analyses. He was less so here, but I generally agree with his points.

https://tinyurl.com/ycku25hm

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:36 PM (eOEVl)

71 Nuland is particular stain on the State Dept. Dumb as a bag of rocks. Everything she's touched has turned to shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 21, 2023 12:36 PM (Q4IgG)

72 Maybe a distinction without a difference.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:34 PM (kXYt5)

Yes.

There are cards to be played that none of us who are not in the know, know. I'm not sure what this all amounts to, except I keep going back to The Great Reset. Kill off as much of the human population as is "sustainable."

From their bunkers, their religion dictates the ideal human population is under a billion, and so many of the things that have been happening in this world, I'm not saying they PROVE that's the end goal, just that it keeps not being disproven.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:37 PM (kz1AU)

73 Tori and her pals knew that the Durham report would diminish their "Russia is our arch enemy" line that they been developing for quite a while

so, while the Russia hate was still hot, they started this shit in Ukraine

I often wonder if the genisis of the Putin hate is his stance towards gays

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 12:37 PM (us2H3)

74 Meanwhile, our southern border is overrun while DC is playing in Ukraine.

I guess there is no money to be made protecting our national borders.

One more reason the federates have to go.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 21, 2023 12:38 PM (R/m4+)

75 If there was an opposition party they'd have already pulled all funding.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM

Can't, the last democrat congress did the *omnibus* bill thing and appropriated money for everything through 30 September of this year. Sucks but there is nothing republicans could do about it even if they weren't spineless.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 21, 2023 12:38 PM (ncXxy)

76 I would say more like sphere of influence has shifted, but that was probably in the cards onceTthe Wall came down. Maybe a distinction without a difference.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:34 PM (kXYt5)

Agreed. And as much as the Ukrainians dislike the Russians, it doesn't rise to the level of the vicious, vitriolic, murderous hatred among the factions when Yugoslavia disintegrated.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2023 12:38 PM (ZCCyW)

77 "Russia banned the murderous cop that shot Ashli Babbitt. This proves that Trump is still conspiring with Russia, or something."

That had to be a deliberate move by Putin and you can bet he went to bed laughing.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:38 PM (YGqO/)

78 70 -Archimedes… your Zeihan link didn’t work (for me anyway)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 21, 2023 12:38 PM (xT8gx)

79 Sadly, the greatest threat to the security of the US is in Washington, DC, and the time to address it was 60 years ago. We don't have a border anymore, and so we don't have a nation anymore. Whatever China's plans are for us, are they really any worse than the ethnic cleansing of our people that's happening as we speak?

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at May 21, 2023 12:40 PM (0Uf+z)

80 Haven't seen or heard much from our "experts" since Bakhmut fell. The reaction from a few media types has been "well it's completely destroyed so the Russians are gaining zip". Except territory idiots.

For which they traded enormous amounts of men and material they don't have to squander. Anyone with an ounce of military sense can see that the city wasn't worth what they paid for it. It was about Putin's ego, and his desire to put Prigozhin in his place, not strategic significance.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:40 PM (eOEVl)

81 Russia seems to be only really effective when defending their homeland and that was because of over whelming numbers and guns to their back. Winter also helps. Even their proxy wars show signs of their ineffectiveness. It's not the soldiers fighting ability but the leadership and motivation to fight for that leadership imo.

It seems to be the opposite here. Our military is motivated to kick ass and our leadership frequently tries to stomp on that motivation or put roadblocks in front of it. And today that leadership is still trying to change that internal military motivation by infiltrating it with socialist incompetents.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:40 PM (MNhXM)

82 within a years, we will have troops in Ukraine

all eyes will turn to China

who needs archdukes ??

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 12:42 PM (us2H3)

83 Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:40 PM (eOEVl)

What did Ukraine lose in men and equipment?

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:42 PM (MNhXM)

84 Our pastor had a moving and powerful altar call this morning in church and people responded.

Evil will always be with us and we need to oppose it as we can but we need the shield and sword of faith in the one true God. Because he is the one who has all power and the only one who can fight the prince of the powers of the darkness of this world.

We are, as we always are, up against the sinful nature of mankind, which is why opposing it is always like playing whack-a-mole. It has to be done ... but we need to know that the final judgment lies with the Lord and at that point, all debts will be paid one way or the other.

And in this world, those of us who oppose evil really need to have one hand in the hand of the Almighty to give us the strength and the courage to carry on.

Bless all of you, and may you all find that faith if you don't have it. And know that in the end, God's will will be done.

Posted by: Beverly at May 21, 2023 12:42 PM (Epeb0)

85 I am seeing a slightly different take on Ukraine. Anybody else remember BHO standing down when Russia took over the Crimea? Appears to me that each and every modern (D) president is committed to giving away land/territory. See also, Panama, Iran, Iraq, Crimea, US southern border, etc. Ukraine should have been another easy cede with appropriate payoffs. (R)s usually like ongoing black hole conflicts on the simmer, but (D)s like the surrender kink.

Just my unformed impression. Rubio (R) Intel Cmte now has his beautiful head of hair.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 21, 2023 12:43 PM (MIKMs)

86 May God bless our many military veterans of the horde, and everywhere.
Having said that, you'd need your head examined to enlist in the military these days.
To do so means you will serve anything BUT national interests.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 12:43 PM (MeG8a)

87 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2023 12:38 PM (ZCCyW)

No one matches the Ukrainian hate of Russia.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:44 PM (MNhXM)

88 86 Yep. Shoulda had my head examined in '69.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (lz5hY)

89 In most analyses of Risk™ it has been well-established that focusing your efforts on Ukraine is not a winning strategy. Same for Kamchatka and Greenland. Slow expansion out of Southeast Asia can sometimes work.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (kXYt5)

90 What did Ukraine lose in men and equipment?

It's difficult to say, but all of the West's military establishments who have been monitoring the war agree that the Ukes have lost a lot less than the Russians. That makes sense in view of the terrain and the fact that the Ukes were on defense.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (eOEVl)

91 war humpers are like binge drinkers

they NEVER think about tomorrow

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (us2H3)

92 "Except secrecy. I'm convinced this is why Russia invaded, because so much dangerous nonsense was happening so close to its border. 40+ bio-warfare labs. Money laundering. Outright slavery."

and yet Fauci and company gave the tech to China, to use against the world. I'm not sure what war the WEF/DeepState are wargaming, but American citizens seem to be a target (along with 'The West"?).

Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (Cus5s)

93
Everyone associated with this war - the Russians, the Ukrainians, the various intelligence agencies, the various NATO governments, the journalists, the legislators - are lying about it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:46 PM (MoZTd)

94 Do you think that the constant resupply of cutting edge (at least against Russian stuff) weaponry won't blunt a second push?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (lIySD)
***

No.
Will it impact a second push? Sure. But what is being sent as extended R&D. You can bet with every system we provide (think Patriot ADA system) there are technicians standing right next to the American soldiers taking notes on how well the system is working. The Russians are testing and collecting data too. But the deployment of material is, if not haphazard, then certainly piecemeal and incompatible. The Ukes are uncoordinated in the C2 and even with American help, I doubt they have time to achieve a level of combined arms capability necessary to win.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:46 PM (YGqO/)

95 war humpers are like binge drinkers

they NEVER think about tomorrow

Right. You are uniquely gifted in that regard.

*rolls eyes*

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:46 PM (eOEVl)

96 Everyone associated with this war - the Russians, the Ukrainians, the various intelligence agencies, the various NATO governments, the journalists, the legislators - are lying about it.

Well, I suppose that makes it easier to ignore any contrary data.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:47 PM (eOEVl)

97 For which they traded enormous amounts of men and material they don't have to squander. Anyone with an ounce of military sense can see that the city wasn't worth what they paid for it. It was about Putin's ego, and his desire to put Prigozhin in his place, not strategic significance.

Weird, because it was Zelensky that talked about Bakhmut having symbolic significance, not Putin.

Zelensky in March:

Zelensky has vowed to keep his troops fighting for the city. He explained why Ukraine will not withdraw from Bakhmut in a new interview with CNN on Tuesday, explaining that giving up control of the city could have significant impact, allowing Russia to have easier access to other areas in Eastern Ukraine.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:47 PM (2tUFv)

98 Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (eOEVl)

They have a lot less they can afford to lose and why they continue to beg the West to get involved more. War of attrition favors Russia.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:48 PM (MNhXM)

99 Sadly, the greatest threat to the security of the US is in Washington, DC, and the time to address it was 60 years ago. We don't have a border anymore, and so we don't have a nation anymore. Whatever China's plans are for us, are they really any worse than the ethnic cleansing of our people that's happening as we speak?
Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at May 21, 2023 12:40 PM (0Uf+z)

Not to mention the Deep State tried to overthrow a sitting American President, and then sabotaged his reelection.

I'd say that's a significant "threat" to American security.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:48 PM (BXDM3)

100 Dems convinced half of America that but for Russia's active intervention Trump would not have been President. So they must be the greatest enemy of the US and really no burden too great in defeating them.

Posted by: blaster at May 21, 2023 12:48 PM (pwExq)

101
The Ukes are uncoordinated in the C2 and even with American help, I doubt they have time to achieve a level of combined arms capability necessary to win.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:46 PM (YGqO/)

___________

Non-snarky question. What does "win" mean? We may have one idea and the Ukrainians another completely different.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:48 PM (MoZTd)

102 May God bless our many military veterans of the horde, and everywhere.
Having said that, you'd need your head examined to enlist in the military these days.
To do so means you will serve anything BUT national interests.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

I am less than thrilled grandson in currently boot camp in Pendleton.

Posted by: Infidel at May 21, 2023 12:49 PM (kHtnd)

103 Weird, because it was Zelensky that talked about Bakhmut having symbolic significance, not Putin.

Zelensky in March:

Zelensky has vowed to keep his troops fighting for the city. He explained why Ukraine will not withdraw from Bakhmut in a new interview with CNN on Tuesday, explaining that giving up control of the city could have significant impact, allowing Russia to have easier access to other areas in Eastern Ukraine.

Let's think about that. If he'd said "yeah, we're going to stay in Bakhmut so the stupid Russians keep bleeding men and materiel", do you think the Russians might have reconsidered?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:49 PM (eOEVl)

104 Just sitting here waiting for the proverbial shoe to drop.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 21, 2023 12:49 PM (Xrfse)

105 the hand of the Almighty to give us the strength and the courage to carry on.

*******

The wisdom to know what to do,
The courage to do it.
The strength to see it through.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:49 PM (kXYt5)

106 What did Ukraine lose in men and equipment?

It's difficult to say, but all of the West's military establishments who have been monitoring the war agree that the Ukes have lost a lot less than the Russians. That makes sense in view of the terrain and the fact that the Ukes were on defense.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:45 PM (eOEVl)

You actually believe what western military establishments say? The same people who lie constantly about everything (including Iraq and Afghanistan) and are infiltrated with leftists like Milley at the highest levels)? You believe them?? If those people said the sky was blue I’d go get my eyes checked

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 21, 2023 12:49 PM (xT8gx)

107 One thing I said from very beginning was neither side can be believed

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (xhxe8)

108
Send in Sergeant Rockette of Easy Company!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (MoZTd)

109 It's difficult to say, but all of the West's military establishments who have been monitoring the war agree that the Ukes have lost a lot less than the Russians.

LOL. Now there's a reliable source!

They're going to admit that their high-tech bang toys are failing?

So, do you think that the Ukes have a 7:1 casualty ratio over the Russkies, or do you think it was really10:1?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (2tUFv)

110 Zelensky will fight to the last Ukranian soldier and the last American dollar.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (RqMSv)

111 There has got to be a better name than war for a decades-long dispute between historically antagonistic geopoolitical rivals with no substantive territorial gains/losses.

Border dispute?
Grudge?
Feud?
Standoff?

I know "The Troubles"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (kXYt5)
***

I vote for the Danube Dust-up.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (YGqO/)

112 98 War of attrition always favors Russia. When the troops from Siberia get off the train, we'll really enforce that not one step backwards order. Second wave picks up the dropped rifles from the first. Get the machine guns ready if anybody balks.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 21, 2023 12:52 PM (lz5hY)

113
I know "The Troubles"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (kXYt5)

_________

The Recent Unpleasantness

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:52 PM (MoZTd)

114 They have a lot less they can afford to lose and why they continue to beg the West to get involved more. War of attrition favors Russia.

Clearly they started the war with much less. However, they've been smart in how they used their men, and with us supplying materiel, it's the Russians who are using ancient equipment such as the T-55/54.

If you look at some of the videos of the Ukes in their current pushback around the S and N or Bakhmut, you see poorly-equipped Russian conscripts and Wagners effectively left to their fates in isolated foxholes. It reminds me of Saddam's cannon fodder in Kuwait.

I can find a fair number of YT clips of surrendering Russians, but not a one of surrendering Ukes. If the Russians had them, don't you think they'd post them?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:52 PM (eOEVl)

115 Everyone associated with this war - the Russians, the Ukrainians, the various intelligence agencies, the various NATO governments, the journalists, the legislators - are lying about it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:46 PM (MoZTd)

I listened to a podcast the other day, a couple fellers talking about the aliens (not the mexican type), and what they're up to. Now, I'm not saying I believe any of it, but I am saying, when they talk about how all the powers that be talk about it, it's truth wrapped in lies, wrapped in conspiracies, and misinformation campaigns perfected by the Deep State.

So yeah. At this point, I'm not ruling out aliens directing essentially everything the human race is doing now, perhaps for their own amusement, or some other more nefarious purpose. Regardless, nothing we get told is true. Not entirely, and anything we are told is only told to serve some purpose we don't yet know. Could be aliens, is what I'm saying.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (BXDM3)

116 "We have the current version of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea, Iraq"

The West is actually on the long-end-of-the-stick of the proxy war equation here, for once, which should give anyone who seriously thinks about this pause: what changed to invert that? It's that "We" aren't puppeting Ukraine here. "We" don't run shit. The faction of marxist-derived authoritarians running the West are. This is just the Globalist faction and the Chinese one both goading the remnants of the Soviet one into self-immolating for their own purposes. We are simply along for the ride.

In passing - corrupt as its government is (which is primarily a post-Soviet artifact), to lump the Ukrainians with with the Russians culturally is to fundamentally misunderstand the precise moral bankruptcy and dysfunction that brought us the Soviet Union, and the nature of its crimes against its neighbors. A similar but more extreme example would be conflating Japan/Korea and the Chinese, who are a 4,000 year dumpster fire.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (p61dW)

117 You actually believe what western military establishments say? The same people who lie constantly about everything (including Iraq and Afghanistan) and are infiltrated with leftists like Milley at the highest levels)? You believe them?? If those people said the sky was blue I’d go get my eyes checked

There it is. You don't like what they say so they're all just lying. How convenient.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (eOEVl)

118 I know "The Troubles"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (kXYt5)
***

I vote for the Danube Dust-up.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (YGqO/)

3D version of the board game, Risk?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (BXDM3)

119 Let's think about that. If he'd said "yeah, we're going to stay in Bakhmut so the stupid Russians keep bleeding men and materiel", do you think the Russians might have reconsidered?

Considering that all sources, including the Ukrainians, admitted that Russia had artillery superiority in Bakhmut, I don't think it was just the stupid Russians bleeding men and material.

I don't believe that Putin ever mentioned Bakhmut until the city was taken.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:54 PM (2tUFv)

120 American Military training and discipline combined with what seems like a contradictory philosophy of independent thinking was always worth joining even when the political leadership was lacking.

Now the political leadership has almost succeeded in taking that away and making joining a fool's errand.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:54 PM (MNhXM)

121 There it is. You don't like what they say so they're all just lying. How convenient.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (eOEVl)

No, I believe they're lying because... they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:54 PM (BXDM3)

122 Kiev Kerfluffle?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:55 PM (YGqO/)

123 War of attrition always favors Russia. When the troops from Siberia get off the train, we'll really enforce that not one step backwards order. Second wave picks up the dropped rifles from the first. Get the machine guns ready if anybody balks.

There is certainly some truth in that, but there's a reason Putin hasn't called for another mobilization. The average Russian conscript has no interest in this war.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:56 PM (eOEVl)

124 The current propaganda war over Ukraine/Russia is in full bloom.

I've seen:
- Wagner to pull best troops and send them to Sudan where Wagner will rename to "the artist former known as Wagner"

- Former Russian President Medvedev will dump Putin

- UK has SAS commandos in Ukraine

etc, etc, etc

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 12:56 PM (RovqD)

125 > There has got to be a better name than war for a decades-long dispute between historically antagonistic geopoolitical rivals with no substantive territorial gains/losses.

Border dispute?
Grudge?
Feud?
Standoff?

I know "The Troubles"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:24 PM (kXYt5)
***

I vote for the Danube Dust-up.
_____________

"Crime-a-River"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 21, 2023 12:56 PM (Q4IgG)

126 Keep also in mind, Obama/Hillary/Biden created the entire basis for the Ukraine war, long before it actually started, when they declared "War on Trump" by falsely claiming he was a pawn of Putin, it was a declaration of War on Putin as well. THEY were the ones that encouraged/promoted/created the Ukraine refusal to renew the Russian lease on its ONLY warm water naval base, in Crimea. Something even a geopolitical pre-schooler KNEW would not fly,(Imagine Hawaii deciding it would simply secede and join Japan, or China, or southern Calif/San Diego join Mexico) THEY are the ones that declared the Elections held in Crimea, and later Dunbas were "Flawed/Stolen/Corrupted"...just as they claimed Hillary's was, and later excoriated Trump/Putin for claiming the 2020 was. Tuirns out the people telling the TRUTH from the git-go, were Trump and Putin, Obama/Hillary/Biden ALL LIED, while calling the truthful people dishonest and globally corrupt.

Posted by: birddog at May 21, 2023 12:56 PM (uAI4S)

127 "Not to mention the Deep State tried to overthrow a sitting American President, and then sabotaged his reelection. I'd say that's a significant "threat" to American security." Posted by: BurtTC

Durham was nice enough to document the high crimes and misdemeanors, and then indict no one. "Yes your country is run by seditious criminals that hate you. Have a nice day." Thanks Mr. Bulldog. (or whatever his nickname was)

Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2023 12:56 PM (Cus5s)

128 There it is. You don't like what they say so they're all just lying. How convenient.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (eOEVl)

You find them credible. Okay. I don’t. Lloyd Austin, to name just one example, doesn’t have a great record of truth-telling. Remember the Ghost of Kiev? Were those report credible? I’m not in the habit of believing known liars….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 21, 2023 12:58 PM (xT8gx)

129 There it is. You don't like what they say so they're all just lying. How convenient.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (eOEVl)

No, I believe they're lying because... they are.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:54 PM (BXDM3)

Oh and hey, remember that info dump that got released, saying the Ukes had lost somewhere on the order of 10 times more than the "western military experts" have been claiming? And then they came out and said the data was totally fake, and then hunted down the kid who allegedly released it, in a manhunt that rivals almost nothing our government EVER does to hunt down criminal activity?

Weird, huh?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 12:58 PM (BXDM3)

130
When the troops from Siberia get off the train, we'll really enforce that not one step backwards order.

____________

How many draft-age Russians are just disappearing?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (MoZTd)

131 3D version of the board game, Risk?
Posted by: BurtTC

********

see @89

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (kXYt5)

132 By the way, Julian Roepke, who is a German journalist who is very pro-Ukraine, but also tries to be a good journalist, estimates that the Russians took twice the casualties of the Ukrainians in Bakhmut.

Given the relative sizes of the two countries, that's not a favorable ratio for Ukraine.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (2tUFv)

133 Non-snarky question. What does "win" mean? We may have one idea and the Ukrainians another completely different.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:48 PM (MoZTd)

***

Good question.
Every war takes on a life of its own and this one is no different. I suspect for Putin it is a domesticated Ukraine with Zalensky gone. For Zalensky it is probably the removal of all Russian forces from Ukraine.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (YGqO/)

134 There has got to be a better name than war for a decades-long dispute between historically antagonistic geopoolitical rivals with no substantive territorial gains/losses.

Border dispute?
Grudge?
Feud?
Standoff?

I know "The Troubles"
Posted by: Muldoon

"Same old same old as the last few centuries."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (FVME7)

135 The Babylon Bee @TheBabylonBee · 57m
Biden Says $10 Million Payment From Romania To His Cat Is Totally Legitimate

https://buff.ly/42SIAJk

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (Vwz3I)

136 The reaction from a few media types has been "well it's completely destroyed so the Russians are gaining zip". Except territory idiots.
=====

First Down! from the zebras.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (MIKMs)

137 Pepsi unveils ‘Cracker Jill’ version of ‘Cracker Jack’ to promote women’s sports

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:00 PM (RovqD)

138 Durham was nice enough to document the high crimes and misdemeanors, and then indict no one. "Yes your country is run by seditious criminals that hate you. Have a nice day." Thanks Mr. Bulldog. (or whatever his nickname was)
Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2023 12:56 PM (Cus5s)

Yup. I don't blame Durham, really. What was he supposed to do, issue subpoenas? Then what? Was anyone going to serve them.

It's the ol' cliche... sure, Durham has the goods on all of us. But how many divisions does he command?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:00 PM (BXDM3)

139 How many draft-age Russians are just disappearing?

Russia still lets military-aged males leave the country, unlike Ukraine.

There's a message there.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:00 PM (2tUFv)

140 No one matches the Ukrainian hate of Russia.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:44 PM (MNhXM)

Except for about 50 other ethnicities and cultures around the world.

Rwanda.
Yugoslavia.
Sudan.
India/Pakistan.
.
.
.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2023 01:01 PM (ZCCyW)

141 There it is. You don't like what they say so they're all just lying. How convenient.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 12:53 PM (eOEVl)

however, you love what they are saying

whatever you are on, double up

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:01 PM (us2H3)

142 In the 1990s the USA promised to defend the sovereignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons.
All of our allies in Europe are watching to see if we will just say "none of our business" Iike we did in the 30s when the right-wing of both parties have Hitler the green light.
Do you really think Putin will stop with Ukraine?
What will China do if we do not confront Putin now?

Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:01 PM (DlQ7c)

143 Biden confuses Justin with S.K. President, I think...

RNC Research @RNCResearch · 6h
BIDEN: "I've spoken at length with President Loon of South Korea."

South Korea's president is Yoon Suk Yeol.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 21, 2023 01:02 PM (Vwz3I)

144 @26

>>*stuck.

It's the new and improved NeoCon/NeoLib forever war by proxy.

Where you outsource the muck and mire but where the MIC and well connected get their Vig.

It's quite brilliant actually.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 21, 2023 01:02 PM (+NMt7)

145 3D version of the board game, Risk?
Posted by: BurtTC

********

see @89
Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (kXYt5)

Oh heck! And here I thought I was being clever.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:02 PM (BXDM3)

146 The Post found Biden received three vacations at the homes of “wealthy and politically connected owners” during the past year.

The first trip occurred in August of last year, when Biden and his family spent seven days at the luxury home of Maria Allwin, in Kiawah Island, South Carolina, a source confirmed to the Post.

Three months later, in November, the extended Biden family reportedly stayed six days at the Nantucket Island home of billionaire David Rubenstein.

In late 2022 and extending into the new year, Biden and his family stayed seven days at the St. Croix VRBO rental beach house of Bill and Connie Neville.

Of the three trips, two were free of charge to the president, according to the Post. One was suspected to be free, but the Post was unable to confirm this.

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (RovqD)

147 "Well, the Soviets never were, but Russia isn't Soviet anymore. They regard Ukraine as "family" in a way, and want to "correct" them, not exterminate them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2023 12:25 PM (MuQ0v)"

The conflict may not be our business and the geographic history is complicated and stupid, but - not to be too much a dick - this is one of the dumbest things I've read here in a long while. Russia wants to "correct" Ukrainians in much the same way an abusive husband wants to "correct" their ex-wife by beating them into a pulp. The prevailing Russian public attitude now that the war is going to to shit is "well if they won't welcome us we'll just have to kill them all"

The Russian inferiority complex cannot abide the Ukrainians as a discrete culture and they've been trying to stamp them out on and off for generations. It drives them nuts that so much came from the Ukraine, from the MTLBs and T-80's and Movska class cruisers, to a huge chunk of the Soviet space program. And even up until the war, support for a bunch of their ICBM programs.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (p61dW)

148 Trying som alchemy, turning string into silver.
Wish me luck

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (xhxe8)

149 I think Russia is pulling her punches in Ukraine, same as America pulled her punches in Afstan. Trying to avoid needless civilian casualties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I don't think Russia has ever been too concerned with needless civilian casualties.

imo, ymmv
Posted by: DB - do not Wang Chung tonight at May 21, 2023 12:20 PM (geLO

in this case, they have to be, because population is intermixed. they are looking at the day after, they are not interested in killing more Russians than the Ukes.

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (V13WU)

150 At this point, I'm not ruling out aliens directing essentially everything the human race is doing now, perhaps for their own amusement, or some other more nefarious purpose. Regardless, nothing we get told is true. Not entirely, and anything we are told is only told to serve some purpose we don't yet know. Could be aliens, is what I'm saying.
Posted by: BurtTC

I never did trust those bastards.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (FVME7)

151 How many draft-age Russians are just disappearing?

********

There's at least a few hundred playing goalie in the NHL.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 21, 2023 01:04 PM (kXYt5)

152 Actually, the idea that a border dispute between two regional kleptocracies is of any importance to the security of the United States is too stupid a thought to entertain for more than a few seconds

If we don't stop the Reds in Ukraine, Communists will be in Washington DC before we know it.

Wait...

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:05 PM (b9Gb2)

153 Well, the Soviets never were, but Russia isn't Soviet anymore. They regard Ukraine as "family" in a way, and want to "correct" them, not exterminate them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

So the war is tough love?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:05 PM (FVME7)

154 Non-snarky question. What does "win" mean? We may have one idea and the Ukrainians another completely different.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 12:48 PM (MoZTd)

***

Good question.
Every war takes on a life of its own and this one is no different. I suspect for Putin it is a domesticated Ukraine with Zalensky gone. For Zalensky it is ~~probably the removal of all Russian forces from Ukraine~~ carte blanche. on Champs-Élysées.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 12:59 PM (YGqO/)

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:05 PM (V13WU)

155 Russia still lets military-aged males leave the country, unlike Ukraine.

There's a message there.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:00 PM (2tUFv)

For the Ukrainian young men I cited above, it sounds like the holdup for their departure is on the US side (paperwork submission), not on the Ukrainian.

Posted by: pookysgirl, clarifying at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (dtlDP)

156 I don't take anything reported at face value, but reading various eastern European milbloggers (including Russians) it seems clear that both sides are at the point of exhaustion. That's why the fighting has devolved into a static battle where they mostly throw shells and missiles at each other. I think the claims of some Ukrainian "offensive" are mostly attempts to stake out a good bargaining position.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (S6gqv)

157 in the small fry's leaked documents was an item of the truth

Ukes are losing personnel at a 7 to 1 rate

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (us2H3)

158 I think Russia is pulling her punches in Ukraine, same as America pulled her punches in Afstan. Trying to avoid needless civilian casualties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Both sides were mostly avoiding critical infrastructure, until Ukraine blew up the $5B bridge to Crimea.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (b9Gb2)

159 "120 American Military training and discipline combined with what seems like a contradictory philosophy of independent thinking was always worth joining even when the political leadership was lacking.

Now the political leadership has almost succeeded in taking that away and making joining a fool's errand.
Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 12:54 PM (MNhXM)"

I served, with one side of my family being one of those "everyone served going back past the revolutionary war" sorts of families. I'm glad I did for the experiences but I'm the last, at least for this incarnation of the US.

The military is rapidly devolving into a circus of leftist freaks, trannies, and furries largely held together by inertia and a bunch of nerdy old conservative guys who build/design weapon systems.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (p61dW)

160 I have seen causality figures all over the map, not buying any of it

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (xhxe8)

161 The Russian inferiority complex cannot abide the Ukrainians as a discrete culture and they've been trying to stamp them out on and off for generations.

==

yes, their discrete culture sits in Warsaw.

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (V13WU)

162 It goes back to the fecklessness, recklessness, dishonesty and juvenile seat of the pants, amateur hour, ludicrous Hillary Photo op..."Reset". Her staff came up with the idea, drunk, at 2am, in the hotel pool area, they STOLE the emergency shutoff button from the hot tub, typed up a misspelled label (it translated to Overcharged, not Reset) Which they then hamhanded to their High Level Russian Counterparts...who already KNEW, from the hotel staff that the emergancy shut off button had been stolen, for reasons unknown. They knew, "These were NOT serious People", hence they are dangerous.

Posted by: birddog at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (uAI4S)

163 Russia still lets military-aged males leave the country, unlike Ukraine.

April 12, 2023
The new bill – passed by [Russian] lawmakers on Wednesday, and awaiting only Putin’s signature before it becomes law – is, according to the Kremlin, an unremarkable streamlining of Russia’s biannual conscription process.

It would allow for the electronic delivery of military call-up papers, in addition to traditional letters, and bans those liable for military service from traveling abroad.

https://tinyurl.com/4c963prk

And with the new law, draftees are immediately banned from leaving the country.

https://tinyurl.com/3jy2yx9x

How about taking the time to check your facts instead of wasting everyone else's time.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (eOEVl)

164 Zelensky will fight to the last Ukranian soldier and the last American dollar.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (RqMSv)

The guy's a puppet, like all puppets whose strings are being pulled. In this case, there's evidence Zelensky actually had an original thought early on, of negotiating a peace with Russia.

We stopped him. So from that day forth, he realized he was a puppet, so whatever you see him doing now, he's no more in charge than Biden is.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (BXDM3)

165 Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (p61dW)

The Ukrainians have a current irrational hate of Russia and the reason for the 2014 coup. They could have just had another election internationally monitored but they refused the offer and overthrew a legitimately elected government and then proceeded to outlaw the Russian language. It's not one sided.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (MNhXM)

166 If Ukraine does let these two imminent draftees go, I have two questions:

How serious are they about winning this war?

And when will their "spots" be filled with American military members?

Posted by: pookysgirl, questions questions questions at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (dtlDP)

167 "Well, the Soviets never were, but Russia isn't Soviet anymore. They regard Ukraine as "family" in a way, and want to "correct" them, not exterminate them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 21, 2023 12:25 PM (MuQ0v)"

The Holodomor, also known as the Terror-Famine or the Great Famine, was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.

Joseph Stalin really did the Ukrainians a 'solid'

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:08 PM (RovqD)

168 Russia still lets military-aged males leave the country, unlike Ukraine.

There's a message there.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:00 PM (2tUFv)

For the Ukrainian young men I cited above, it sounds like the holdup for their departure is on the US side

-
Well, they're white so . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:08 PM (FVME7)

169 Given the nut jobs that are positions of some authority in the *biden junta I can sort of see why Putin might be a bit concerned about just how belligerent he can be before he has to contend with increased US intervention.

I also don't discount Russian internal political factions having similar fights as are going on inside our own junta. Putin apparently has his own set of issues to deal with, politically and domestically.

And Russian MIC entities make money (rubles) too.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 21, 2023 01:10 PM (Q4IgG)

170 Aliens directing our future? More like some autistic 12 year old with a warped sense of humor. This planet is just Grand Theft Auto, world builder edition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:10 PM (S6gqv)

171 April 12, 2023
The new bill – passed by [Russian] lawmakers on
Wednesday

How about taking the time to check your facts instead of wasting everyone else's time.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (eOEVl)

So, about a month ago. Maybe the OP is not as current as you. I mean, I'm not that current as I have already made my mind up and expect everything to be a propaganda OP.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:10 PM (b9Gb2)

172 I followed a pro Russia video blogger, located in Kiev, Ukraine, a sarcastic guy name of Gonzalo Lira. He has a YouTube channel (or had one).
I hear he got arrested in the middle of the night.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 01:10 PM (MeG8a)

173 164 Zelensky will fight to the last Ukranian soldier and the last American dollar.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 21, 2023 12:51 PM (RqMSv)

Poroshenko will be back in the Carribean soon

partying with his new bud, the Z Man

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:11 PM (us2H3)

174 I don't take anything reported at face value, but reading various eastern European milbloggers (including Russians) it seems clear that both sides are at the point of exhaustion. That's why the fighting has devolved into a static battle where they mostly throw shells and missiles at each other. I think the claims of some Ukrainian "offensive" are mostly attempts to stake out a good bargaining position.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (S6gqv)

Why, it's almost as if some worldwide hegemon is MAKING them continue fighting a war neither side is particularly compelled to keep fighting.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:11 PM (BXDM3)

175 Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:09 PM (LeOoG)

You have more projection than a bulimic tranny at an all you can eat buffet.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 01:11 PM (MNhXM)

176 So, about a month ago. Maybe the OP is not as current as you. I mean, I'm not that current as I have already made my mind up and expect everything to be a propaganda OP.

I knew literally nothing about a travel ban until the usual suspects started in with their bs. It took all of a minute on Google to check.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 01:11 PM (eOEVl)

177 167
'The Holodomor, also known as the Terror-Famine or the Great Famine, was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.'

Yes, the Russians forfeited any claim to govern Ukraine after that. The Ukrainians are right to fight off any attempt by Russia to dominate them.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:12 PM (roH4R)

178 I knew literally nothing about a travel ban until the usual suspects started in with their bs. It took all of a minute on Google to check.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 01:11 PM (eOEVl)

You could have simply link the new info, and not been an ass.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (b9Gb2)

179 169 I like to eat my own poop. With ketchup!
Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:09 PM (LeOoG)

blood mixed with sperm looks like ketchup

Posted by: unneeded facts at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (us2H3)

180 From what I've heard, Trump wants to end the Russo-Ukraine war soon as he can if elected. I think DeSantis does, too. That suits War-on-Russia-by-Proxy Joe just fine. If the War remains deadlocked throughout the 2024 campaign, Joe will revive the Russia, Russia, Putin, Putin BS. He'll yell, "Trump (or DeSantis) are in Putin's pocket. He will abandon Ukraine!"

Posted by: Gref at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (AMIL/)

181 You could have simply link the new info, and not been an ass.

I provided 2 links.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (eOEVl)

182 " I think Russia is pulling her punches in Ukraine, same as America pulled her punches in Afstan. Trying to avoid needless civilian casualties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon"

You're fundamentally misreading what is going on here in the big picture. Russia is a retarded has-been with a decaying military who is in over their head, and has been goaded into doing something monumentally stupid by the (leftist authoritarian) West and the (leftist authoritarian) Chinese.

They're not holding back anything. They've wantonly lobbed cluster barrages and area incendiaries at civilian populations from day one. They've burned through hundreds of millions' worth of S300's and naval cruise missiles blindly lobbing them at apartment blocks, like some sort of giant retarded Qassam rockets. They're drunken fuckups. The Russian army we are seeing contained only a faint stiffener within it of the sort of adequate competence and supply that was once a threat to Western formations pre-1989 due to sheer numbers, and most of those are dead/destroyed.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (p61dW)

183 I think, and again, who really knows... that Russia is using a hybrid fighting force for the Ukes. a mix of Wagner type groups, Chechens, and occasionally professional AF. They still have a huge border and commitments in places like ME - Syria, Africa too. Ukrainia conflict for them is involved and complex because of full NATO involvement, but by no means it is their only engagement shall we say. For ukes, it is all in.

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (V13WU)

184 The best question to ask when anything baffling is done by our and other Western governments is 'How does this benefit the Chinese.'

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:17 PM (b9Gb2)

185 You could have simply link the new info, and not been an ass.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (b9Gb2)

lmfao

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:17 PM (us2H3)

186 Let's not bicker and argue 'bout 'oo killed 'oo.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:18 PM (b9Gb2)

187 From what I've heard, Trump wants to end the Russo-Ukraine war soon as he can if elected. I think DeSantis does, too. That suits War-on-Russia-by-Proxy Joe just fine. If the War remains deadlocked throughout the 2024 campaign, Joe will revive the Russia, Russia, Putin, Putin BS. He'll yell, "Trump (or DeSantis) are in Putin's pocket. He will abandon Ukraine!"

Posted by: Gref at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (AMIL/)

He said that during the CNN thing, that he'd end the war immediately. Little Miss Muffet then tried to get him to say he wanted Ukraine to lose. He was so far beyond her idiotic, shrill nonsense, her "question" was almost unheard due to the thunderous applause he was getting from the assembled audience. But he answered anyway, saying it's not about winning or losing, it's about wanting to stop people dying.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:18 PM (BXDM3)

188 Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (V13WU)

Less than 10% of our military serving during that period of the war served in Vietnam.

Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 01:18 PM (MNhXM)

189 Former President Donald Trump's social media company has sued The Washington Post for defamation over an article it published earlier this month and is seeking $3.78 billion in damages. The lawsuit by Trump Media and Technology Group, which owns the Truth Social platform, was filed Saturday night in Florida state court in Sarasota County and accuses one of America's most storied newspapers of publishing a story of libel and slander that the suit claims poses an "existential threat" to the social media company.

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:19 PM (RovqD)

190 You're fundamentally misreading what is going on here in the big picture. Russia is a retarded has-been with a decaying military who is in over their head, and has been goaded into doing something monumentally stupid by the (leftist authoritarian) West and the (leftist authoritarian) Chinese.

They're not holding back anything. They've wantonly lobbed cluster barrages and area incendiaries at civilian populations from day one. They've burned through hundreds of millions' worth of S300's and naval cruise missiles blindly lobbing them at apartment blocks, like some sort of giant retarded Qassam rockets. They're drunken fuckups. The Russian army we are seeing contained only a faint stiffener within it of the sort of adequate competence and supply that was once a threat to Western formations pre-1989 due to sheer numbers, and most of those are dead/destroyed.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (p61dW)

Tori Nuland has enter the chat

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:19 PM (us2H3)

191 It would allow for the electronic delivery of military call-up papers, in addition to traditional letters, and bans those liable for military service from traveling abroad.

How about taking the time to check your facts instead of wasting everyone else's time.

Because you don't know what you are talking about.

The new Russian law applies to people who have received induction notices - not young males generally. People who haven't received an induction notice are still free to leave the country.

The law is viewed as a way of tightening up the mobilization law in advance of a possible future mobilization, not as a general prohibition on young men traveling abroad.

Pretty defensive, aren't you?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:20 PM (2tUFv)

192 187 From what I've heard, Trump wants to end the Russo-Ukraine war soon as he can if elected. I think DeSantis does, too. That suits War-on-Russia-by-Proxy Joe just fine. If the War remains deadlocked throughout the 2024 campaign, Joe will revive the Russia, Russia, Putin, Putin BS. He'll yell, "Trump (or DeSantis) are in Putin's pocket. He will abandon Ukraine!"

Posted by: Gref at May 21, 2023 01:13 PM (AMIL/)

Meatball will do what the bushies tell him to do and that aint ending any wars

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:21 PM (us2H3)

193 Chris'll straighten it all out.

New York Post
@nypost
Chris Christie to announce 2024 presidential run ‘in the coming days’

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:21 PM (FVME7)

194 If Putin wanted to fuck up Ukraine, it would have been 2 weeks. Vladdie has a hard-on for the real estate and the port. Call this the Crimea War II, or is it III?

Zombie Joe is just some slapdick who decided he was important on the world stage because, 'fragile, sacred democracy!'.

Keep your eyes on this Turk prick, Erdogan. He's going to be donkey-punched in both kidneys.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 21, 2023 01:21 PM (KVGVf)

195 "165 Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:03 PM (p61dW)

The Ukrainians have a current irrational hate of Russia and the reason for the 2014 coup. They could have just had another election internationally monitored but they refused the offer and overthrew a legitimately elected government and then proceeded to outlaw the Russian language. It's not one sided.
Posted by: polynikes at May 21, 2023 01:07 PM (MNhXM)"

And? I'd give zero fucks if my government decreed English was required for schools and road signs. Russia has a long history of "oh no, look at our aggrieved ethnic Russian population - we must go save them". Eastern Europe is aware of this which is precisely why so many of the other ex-Warsaw states expelled them (Ukraine fucked up massively trying to maintain friendly relations, and now even the majority of the ~20% primarily Russian-speaking population *loathes* the Russians and are switching languages). The Russians tried to genocide the Ukrainians multiple times; I have zero sympathy here.

Yes, the 2014 coup was Western (globalist) backed. Western leadership being a bunch of disgusting twats doesn't absolve Russia in this one bit.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:22 PM (p61dW)

196 Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (p61dW)

Tori Nuland has enter the chat

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:19 PM (us2H3)

People like to puff up their chests, talk about how incompetent the Russian military is. That's probably true.

But hey, howdy hey, has anyone seen the U.S. military in action recently? We've got an unbroken string of failure to our name, going back at LEAST until Saddam was toppled.

Nowadays, does anyone think we could fight a sustained war, what with our high heel wearing "men," and lesbos running things?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:23 PM (BXDM3)

197 G'rump928(c)

Depleting war reserve ammo weakens the West. It makes a ground defense of Taiwan much harder.

I see South Korea is building an Arsenal ship, something we foolishly abandoned in 1990.

With a merchant ship stuffed with AA missiles in vertical launch tubes, we have a chance west of Wake. Otherwise, we may be overwhelmed, with heavy losses.

The good news is our remaining nuke warheads can then target the conveniently close together Chinese urban areas. That would bring world population counts down fast. The WEF wins!

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 21, 2023 01:24 PM (u82oZ)

198 Let's say we "win" in Ukraine. Seems unlikely at the moment but let's go with it.

What then? We are left with the most corrupt country in Eastern Europe, a place where billions of western tax dollars have gone already and much of it has simply disappeared into the pockets of the rich and powerful, and the country will be in shambles. It will require decades of multi-billion dollar infusions of western tax dollars to rebuild the place with again much of the money never reaching the intended targets.

And if when it is rebuilt who gives a fuck? Nobody cared an iota about Ukraine 5 years ago and nobody really cares about it now. Russia will lick its wounds and continue selling oil and gas to China, Iran, India and anyone else not part of the every diminishing western alliance.

So what will we have won?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2023 01:24 PM (ZLI7S)

199 AOP it's part of why I say don't believe anything but seen plenty of accusation Russia killing civilians

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:24 PM (xhxe8)

200
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (p61dW)

Tori Nuland has enter the chat

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:19 PM (us2H3)

LOLz ! so true. Anyway, to adopt, as @183 is pushing, that Russia is done , etc., is wishful thinking. Smokescreen to misdirect from what really is going on. If that whole narrative was accurate, Russia would not be posting somewhat normal (for them ) economic indicators. Ukes on the other hand.... total collapse. There is no economy. BlackRock is there licking its chops over the prospects or massive reconstruction money they intend to get...guess from whom ??

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:24 PM (V13WU)

201 Yes, the 2014 coup was Western (globalist) backed. Western leadership being a bunch of disgusting twats doesn't absolve Russia in this one bit.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:22 PM (p61dW)

you might asked yourself

why it was so important to stage a coup ?

you know, vacuums n all

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:24 PM (us2H3)

202 I don't take anything reported at face value, but reading various eastern European milbloggers (including Russians) it seems clear that both sides are at the point of exhaustion. That's why the fighting has devolved into a static battle where they mostly throw shells and missiles at each other. I think the claims of some Ukrainian "offensive" are mostly attempts to stake out a good bargaining position.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:06 PM (S6gqv)

It's also come down to who can find some artillery shells. The Russians are getting shells from North Korea while the Ukrainians are getting shells from South Korea.

I do believe there could be a Ukrainian counter-offensive, but I keep having this nagging feeling that the Russians want the Ukrainians to drive too far .. then the Russians encircle them. This is based on the Wagner Group complaining for ammunition

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:25 PM (RovqD)

203 There's a drone video flyover of Bakhmut online, a couple milbloggers have posted it. When they say there's not a lot left - nope, there isn't. It had a population of around 70,000 pre-war, now just a few hundred at most. About 90% of all existing structures in the town have been heavily shelled and burned to the ground. Anything useful is long gone - it's just a big graveyard now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:25 PM (S6gqv)

204 Anonosaurus Wrecks

Give Christie a donut on a string to distract him. Poser/loser.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 21, 2023 01:25 PM (u82oZ)

205 In other news . . .

Killer whales are sinking boats off the coast of Europe in orchestrated attacks

https://bit.ly/3og1v2q

May be related to the space alien master plan.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:25 PM (FVME7)

206 And those economic indicators come in the face of a complete Western boycott. But then again, Brazil, India, China, Malaysia, Indonesia...who needs the West ?

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:26 PM (V13WU)

207 Who wants to give Putin Ukraine for "peace in our time" ?
We have spent 100 billion on Ukraine
We will have spent 3 trillion on Afghanistan and Iraq. The right-wing. was110% behind that. Iraq? They are best friends with Iran. Afghanistan? A complete waste
Should we abandon out European allies who knows the danger that is Putin?

Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:26 PM (EjGSp)

208 New York Post
@nypost
Chris Christie to announce 2024 presidential run ‘in the coming days’
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:21 PM (FVME7)

Just goes to show, "running" for "president" pays well.

In Christie's case, it presumably pays in donuts.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:26 PM (BXDM3)

209 FJB is a foreign policy retard.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 21, 2023 01:26 PM (CQY7u)

210 "183 I think, and again, who really knows... that Russia is using a hybrid fighting force for the Ukes. a mix of Wagner type groups, Chechens, and occasionally professional AF. They still have a huge border and commitments in places like ME - Syria, Africa too. Ukrainia conflict for them is involved and complex because of full NATO involvement, but by no means it is their only engagement shall we say. For ukes, it is all in.
Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:15 PM (V13WU)"

Their border forces have been stripped pretty heavily. Even their EU-facing formations have been thinned out; the only thing mostly-intact are the palace-guard types around Moscow and St. Petersburg.

They're so hard up for arms that they're scraping the barrel even on small arms and crew served stuff. There is domestic production but it's not keeping up, and whatever shit training they had for normal infantry/mech infantry formations before is almost non-existent now.

For anyone consistently paying attention to what is going on and not just consuming 'tard media (whether pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia), what they've done to their military and how much they've fucked up is just mind-boggling.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (p61dW)

211 Should we abandon out European allies who knows the danger that is Putin?
Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:26 PM (EjGSp)

absolutely

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (us2H3)

212 Killer whales are sinking boats off the coast of Europe in orchestrated attacks

https://bit.ly/3og1v2q

May be related to the space alien master plan.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:25 PM (FVME7)

Egad, let's hope so.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (BXDM3)

213 Same uke narrative is being delivered by the same people who are telling us that Biden is cogent. Seriously....

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (V13WU)

214 A man whose life sentence was commuted by then-President Obama in 2015 has now been charged with the shooting of a woman in a road rage incident. The woman is brain-dead and not expected to survive. The shooting occured early on Sunday morning near Chicago. Mills admitted to police that he was the shooter, and has now been charged.

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Knew he would be a 13%er.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (17s+e)

215 114 I can find a fair number of YT clips of surrendering Russians, but not a one of surrendering Ukes. If the Russians had them, don't you think they'd post them?

The EU has told Facebook (and probably the rest) not to show anything Pro-Russia .. and they have agreed

Just more of the propaganda game

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:28 PM (RovqD)

216 Who wants to give Putin Ukraine for "peace in our time" ?

I remain indifferent as to whether Ukraine is run by Russian oligarchs or Ukrainian oligarchs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:28 PM (b9Gb2)

217 I be thinks thats the Us should send Electric Milatery vehickles to Ukrane to limit the effects of Globill Warning from this Trump caused comflict.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 21, 2023 01:28 PM (p3lya)

218 I do believe there could be a Ukrainian counter-offensive, but I keep having this nagging feeling that the Russians want the Ukrainians to drive too far .. then the Russians encircle them.

Russia is preparing to refight the Battle of Kursk - spend months fortifying your positions, let the enemy attack and make some initial gains, and then use your reserves to counterattack and destroy the enemy.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:28 PM (2tUFv)

219 Lol
CBD is like The Anti Churchill

Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:29 PM (COcDH)

220 NAACP has issued a warning for blacks to not travel to Florida.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 01:29 PM (MeG8a)

221 Shut up, Dunce.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:29 PM (b9Gb2)

222 The Biden Crime Family is it only for themselves

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:29 PM (xhxe8)

223 "Misplaced" ??????

WTF have you been smoking.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (W8S/J)

224 Enough American blood and treasure has been spent in Europe to last for all time

Posted by: DB - yes we can't at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (geLO8)

225 I find it interesting, not surprising that Russia's Air Force sortie rate (the number of aircraft they can commit to a mission at a given time) is really, really low. They've flown a couple multi-ship formations to lob some long range cruise missiles that arguably have been shot down or impacted low value or civilian targets. You don't hear about a dozen or more jet aircraft being involved in attacks.

Lots of helicopters, and lot of those have been shot down too.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (Q4IgG)

226 why it was so important to stage a coup ?

you know, vacuums n all
Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:24 PM (us2H3)

I think it's been suggested the Ukraine "coup" followed shortly after Pootin went in and stopped us from causing a "color revolution" in Syria. That much/all of this is payback for his meddling in our meddling.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (BXDM3)

227 UKR feels like COVID all over again to me. I am once again on the side saying the US gov is lying and incompetent and seemingly deranged.

I see RUS waging a Military Operation that will be studied for generations as a textbook example of efficiency and success.

The UKRs have done incredible things with mobile artillery and were stunning early on wrt drone warfare.

Nevertheless, UKR is on its 3rd army and prob has +350k KIA with RUS having closer to 60k KIA. RUS is still using its first army.

The recent RUS loss of the 4 elite aircraft in the combined air formation was likely friendly fire. In effect, it shows that NATO has no ability to wage any kind of air war against RUS as RUS airforce sig more sophisticated than NATO.

The recent elimunation if the PAC-3 shows NATO air defense is insufficient to deter RUS missile tech.

RUS seems as powerful as the ability if their economy to support construction w/o going into a catabolic death spiral (as the USSR did thank god).

The real story we hear nothing about js under the seas in sub hide and seek. Who knows how that is playing out.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (0g0+T)

228 Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (p61dW)

where you getting all your info now that Gershkovich has been caught ??

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (us2H3)

229 "Tori Nuland has enter the chat

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:19 PM (us2H3)"

The problem people are having with understanding what is happening here is that they're emotionally invested in seeing "us" as a participant. There is no "us". We're living under a clownworld leftist authoritarian shitshow government and don't really have a vote in this either way, and our leaders aren't "good guys" any more than any of the other global factions.

The western left teed up this war on purpose while China encouraged Russia to chug a bottle of vodka and then said "YEAH GO GET EM COMRADE!" The whole thing is disgusting.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (p61dW)

230 Killer whales are sinking boats off the coast of Europe in orchestrated attacks
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Damn headaches from offshore windfarms. Whales have a point.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (MIKMs)

231 uh oh

blog slapfight

Posted by: DB - yes we can't at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (geLO8)

232 The troll is also a foreign policy retard. Well just a retard.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (ns3Bd)

233 I don't think these areas where the fighting is worst are going to be rebuilt for 100 years or more, no matter who "wins". Most places, once destroyed, don't come back. Most today don't know that there was a time when Syria had a large number of cities that were considered the wealthiest and most beautiful on the planet, at the time. All gone, all gone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (S6gqv)

234 New York Post
@nypost
Chris Christie to announce 2024 presidential run ‘in the coming days’
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:21 PM (FVME7)

Just remember that it was Chris Christie who recommended Christopher Wray to head the FBI

Posted by: Neo at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (RovqD)

235 >Killer whales are sinking boats off the coast of Europe in orchestrated attacks
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Their battle cry is "Remember The Dick!"

Posted by: DB - yes we can't at May 21, 2023 01:31 PM (geLO8)

236
Chris Christie to announce 2024 presidential run ‘in the coming days’

He's making a run to Dunkin' Donuts first.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 01:31 PM (MoZTd)

237 troll is being paid; it's money

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:31 PM (V13WU)

238 NAACP has issued a warning for blacks to not travel to Florida.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 01:29 PM (MeG8a)

Hmmm... guess there will be fewer family fistfights in Dinsey World then.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (BXDM3)

239 troll is being paid; it's money
Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:31 PM (V13WU)

They're not sending their best.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (b9Gb2)

240 I forgot who Gershkovich was...had to google

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (V13WU)

241 Yeah, come on all of you, big strong trans men
Uncle Joe needs your help again
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in the Ukraine
So put down your Fentenyl and Reefer, pick up a gun
Gonna have a whole lot of fun

And it's 1, 2, 3
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
Next stop is the Ukraine
And it's 5, 6, 7
Open up the pearly gates
Ah, ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee!
We're all going to die

Posted by: Frank N. Stien at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (0vFtj)

242 Sundowner is following Barky who followed his " father" hating the British, Sundowner is trying to come off like he is the IRA

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (xhxe8)

243 I can find a fair number of YT clips of surrendering Russians, but not a one of surrendering Ukes. If the Russians had them, don't you think they'd post them?

Ukraine and Russia have done several prisoner exchanges, so some Ukrainians are surrendering.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (2tUFv)

244 The Orca thing is prob real. The pushing if it into mass consciousness right now is some kind of psy-op or covert communications.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (0g0+T)

245 Ukraine is winning by letting Russia take Bakhmut with the Ukes having 75K in causalities. More victories like that and the Ukraine is going to really win this next year!

Funny how we don't hear about this in our propaganda outlets. Only about the ghost and how the Ukes are shooting down hyper-sonic missiles.... which are totally factoids.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (17s+e)

246 meh... another proxy war. Really odd that there are no "reporters" embedded to get the "real" story... odd 🧐🥱

Posted by: lin-duh at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (UUBmN)

247 They're not sending their best.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:32 PM (b9Gb2)

twitter rejects

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (V13WU)

248 They want to refight Kursk, instead they're refighting Verdun.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (S6gqv)

249
FJB is a ~~foreign policy~~ retard.

Edited for accuracy

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (MoZTd)

250 This war has not increased the supply of cheap, hot Ukrainian hookers to America, so I declare this war effort a failure.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (3AR13)

251 Chris Christie to announce 2024 presidential run ‘in the coming days’

It's going to be more of a presidential waddle.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (2tUFv)

252 WH: Biden Definitely Trusts VP Harris On Budget Negotiations

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Well, I'd trust her on that as much as on anything else.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:34 PM (FVME7)

253 Not looking like this alchemy project is working

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:34 PM (xhxe8)

254 Blackrock stands to extract a lot of usury from the reconstruction of the flattened cities.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:34 PM (0g0+T)

255 220 NAACP has issued a warning for blacks to not travel to Florida.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 21, 2023 01:29 PM (MeG8a)

Good idea. Andrew Gillum is still at large after all.

Posted by: Watch out for your cornhole at May 21, 2023 01:34 PM (09rn/)

256 I can find a fair number of YT clips of surrendering Russians, but not a one of surrendering Ukes. If the Russians had them, don't you think they'd post them?
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Sure because YT would never censor the free flow of info. NEVER

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 21, 2023 01:34 PM (17s+e)

257 I don't know about that orca thing, sounds more like Oprah going for a swim.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (S6gqv)

258 MSNBC Compares Pro-Life Republicans To Jihadists: “Religious Extremists Who Want To Control Women”

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Fair and balanced.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (FVME7)

259 They want to refight Kursk, instead they're refighting Verdun.

Verdun broke the French army (which had a mass revolt the following year). It didn't break the German army.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (2tUFv)

260 uh oh

blog slapfight
Posted by: DB - yes we can't at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (geLO

Funniest part is, nobody's actually disagreeing with anybody else, just trying to yell louder than the other.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (BXDM3)

261 "I be thinks thats the Us should send Electric Milatery vehickles to Ukrane to limit the effects of Globill Warning from this Trump caused comflict.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT"

Mommm! It's my turn to use the computer!

Posted by: Pawl at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (iayUP)

262 250 This war has not increased the supply of cheap, hot Ukrainian hookers to America, so I declare this war effort a failure.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (3AR13)

Lol no it absolutely has.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (0g0+T)

263 Does anyone see impeded reporters in this war?

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (xhxe8)

264 227 UKR feels like COVID all over again to me. I am once again on the side saying the US gov is lying and incompetent and seemingly deranged.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (0g0+T)

The only question in my mind is deliberate or incompetent.

There appears to be an accidental stroke of genius in all the Trump/Russia crap though. Everyone accepted the premise "Putin bad". This bit of propaganda seems to have a 98% success rate.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (W8S/J)

265 I remain indifferent as to whether Ukraine is run by Russian oligarchs or Ukrainian oligarchs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:28 PM (b9Gb2)

this ^^^

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (us2H3)

266 "228 Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:27 PM (p61dW)

where you getting all your info now that Gershkovich has been caught ??
Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:30 PM (us2H3)"

There has been a surprisingly robust third-party military science discussion going on, globally, leavened by Western and Russian observers who are more interested in nerding out than pushing specific political positions.

The only sources these days that aren't 100% astroturfed by one side or other are unmoderated, which necessarily means they're only partly or mostly astroturfed instead. You have to put in the work but it's not all that hard to filter out the various flavors of propaganda BS.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (p61dW)

267 235 >Killer whales are sinking boats off the coast of Europe in orchestrated attacks
=====

Their battle cry is "Remember The Dick!"
Posted by: DB - yes we can't at May 21, 2023 01:31 PM (geLO

Bah. Mobys.

Posted by: Whale of a tale at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (09rn/)

268
@nypost
Chris Christie to announce 2024 presidential run ‘in the coming days’
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at May 21, 2023 01:21 PM (FVME7)

I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier but if you say you're going to announce your candidacy in the coming days haven't you just announced your candidacy?

Posted by: NL at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (eGTCV)

269 weird that they decided to hold G7 meet at Hiroshima

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (V13WU)

270 This war has not increased the supply of cheap, hot Ukrainian hookers to America, so I declare this war effort a failure.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 21, 2023 01:33 PM (3AR13)

Lol no it absolutely has.
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM (0g0+T)

It's causing an oversupply at the top of the market, based on the number of Hot MILFs in your area ads I am getting.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:37 PM (b9Gb2)

271 Sure because YT would never censor the free flow of info. NEVER
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 21, 2023 01:34 PM (17s+e)

Good grief, I skipped right over his comment on that.

Funniest thing posted here today. Yeah, Yootoob vids. That's where you find the truth.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (BXDM3)

272 There appears to be an accidental stroke of genius in all the Trump/Russia crap though. Everyone accepted the premise "Putin bad". This bit of propaganda seems to have a 98% success rate.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (W8S/J)

I don't think Cruise's blockbuster about a scrappy US fighter pilot flying an obsolete jet against RUS high tech systems was a coincidence.

I am not a coincidence theorist.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (0g0+T)

273 looks like a certain someone has become bored with xhamster

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (us2H3)

274 Lol no it absolutely has.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:35 PM

Well, shit, I'm gonna need links.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (3AR13)

275 runner

Unlike the Democrats, the Japanese can rebuild a city better.

Democrat urban policy is more destructive than a 20 KT nuke.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (u82oZ)

276 UKR feels like COVID all over again to me.

It's interesting that the biggest pushers of the Russia Hoax are also the biggest pushers of the Ukraine War.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (2tUFv)

277 214
commuted by then-President Obama in 2015 ...

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Knew he would be a 13%er.

Obama never intended to be president for anyone who wasn't a 13%er.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:39 PM (roH4R)

278 Zelenskygrad!

Posted by: SFGoth at May 21, 2023 01:39 PM (KAi1n)

279 Democrat urban policy is more destructive than a 20 KT nuke.

People have posted side-by-side pictures of modern-day Hiroshima and modern-day Detroit.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:39 PM (2tUFv)

280 276 UKR feels like COVID all over again to me.

I'll take that as a compliment

Posted by: Tori Nuland at May 21, 2023 01:39 PM (us2H3)

281 Orcas aren't whales, they are dolphins. And they've been known to ram ice floats to get seals that are taking refuge on the ice.

Pretty smart.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2023 01:39 PM (ZLI7S)

282 I don't think Cruise's blockbuster about a scrappy US fighter pilot flying an obsolete jet against RUS high tech systems was a coincidence.

I am not a coincidence theorist.
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (0g0+T)

I assume the country not named was Iran, because F14 and "developing" nuclear weapons.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:40 PM (b9Gb2)

283 looks like a certain someone has become bored with xhamster
Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (us2H3)

hot granny porn !

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:40 PM (V13WU)

284 pr0n ?

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:40 PM (V13WU)

285 Give the Japanese bricks and they will build a shining city.

Give democrats a shining city and they will make bricks.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 21, 2023 01:40 PM (17s+e)

286 Sad state of the media today: AlJazeera (seriously) has better, more unbiased reporting on Ukraine than any American outlet does. The Arab world doesn't really care who wins, so they don't have to take a side.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:41 PM (S6gqv)

287 It's causing an oversupply at the top of the market, based on the number of Hot MILFs in your area ads I am getting.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:37 PM (b9Gb2)

This is what galls me. I'm not in the market for hot Ukrainian hookers, but I AM in the market for hot MILFS in my area.

So while the ads are abundant, the actual, you know, hot MILFS in my area? Not so much.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:41 PM (BXDM3)

288 I assume the country not named was Iran, because F14 and "developing" nuclear weapons.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:40 PM (b9Gb2)

it was nice of them not to point fingers and stuff

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:41 PM (V13WU)

289 As for me, I there's very little of ultimate consequence to fate/reality that I know. The nature of existence, is there a divine deity? Or deities? Who's telling the truth about what? All in know is that it is vitally important for me to keep my health up, exercise, take care of my cat, call my mother periodically, get my taxes done (CA extension), and focus, focus, focus on this one legal case I have that is the most important to me of all the ones I've ever had. Beyond that, events beyond my control will reveal themselves in their time and manner.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 21, 2023 01:42 PM (KAi1n)

290 Give the GOP-e a shining city and they will shit bricks.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:42 PM (S6gqv)

291 they also had 5th generation fighters !

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:42 PM (V13WU)

292 JackStraw

Orcas are dangerous. We need them to thin the survivors of a Leftist cruise liner sinking.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 21, 2023 01:42 PM (u82oZ)

293 Iran has snowy mountains, though I don't think they are near the ocean.

Tallest Mountains In Iran - https://bityl.co/InDq

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:43 PM (b9Gb2)

294 Time to go watch the sailboat race.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2023 01:43 PM (ZLI7S)

295 Sad state of the media today: AlJazeera (seriously) has better, more unbiased reporting on Ukraine than any American outlet does. The Arab world doesn't really care who wins, so they don't have to take a side.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 21, 2023 01:41 PM (S6gqv)

Two things that might create bias for them: The Russians helped keep us from overthrowing the government in Syria, and.... the Sauds are playing pussyfoot with Chi Nah and others to dump the petrodollar.

But I don't really know exactly who butters AlJazzy's bread, so I'm not sure where it all fits together.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:44 PM (BXDM3)

296
Do you really think Putin will stop with Ukraine?
What will China do if we do not confront Putin now?

Over there, over there,
Send the word, send the word over there,
That the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming,
The drums rum-tumming everywhere.
So prepare, say a prayer,
Send the word, send the word to beware,
We'll be over, we're coming over,
And we won't come back till it's over over there.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2023 01:44 PM (63Dwl)

297 I assume the country not named was Iran, because F14 and "developing" nuclear weapons.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 01:40 PM (b9Gb2)

Iran flies su-35s etc etc etc

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:45 PM (0g0+T)

298 Time to go watch the sailboat race.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2023 01:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Heh.
When Mrs.D and I were dating, we'd park along the Columbia River and "watch the submarine races."

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (YGqO/)

299 287
'So while the ads are abundant, the actual, you know, hot MILFS in my area? Not so much.'

Baffling. You should file a lawsuit.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (roH4R)

300 I will note that the Western narrative of Ukrainian military proficiency is to varying degrees fabricated and is a VERY successful propaganda effort. They're relying a lot more on bleeding than training - out of necessity - than the Western media is portraying, although they are improving and regularly surprise their complacent/woke Western counterparts.

However as someone who has worked with people/companies from all of these places - Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, etc. - the average American really doesn't understand just how fucking retarded and dysfunctional the Russians actually are. They really are a different culture. We still have Russian friends, some still stuck in Russia, and even they'll admit this when they're shitfaced.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (p61dW)

301 It's interesting that the biggest pushers of the Russia Hoax are also the biggest pushers of the Ukraine War.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 21, 2023 01:38 PM (2tUFv)

Yes it is all so infuriating.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (0g0+T)

302 I'll take that as a compliment
Posted by: Tori Nuland at May 21, 2023 01:39 PM (us2H3)

You will have to take a back balcony seat, Tori, when "Covid 2.0: This Time It's Personal" hits the theater in about... Feb 2024.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:47 PM (BXDM3)

303 A capable Western leader whose wrath was actually feared would force Kievan Rus' and Muscovite Rus' to the negotiating table to prevent this business from getting out of hand. Too bad nobody meets those qualifications.

Posted by: CppThis at May 21, 2023 01:48 PM (PZvjL)

304 Baffling. You should file a lawsuit.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (roH4R)

I WANT MY REPARATIONS!!

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:48 PM (BXDM3)

305 What will China do if we do not confront Putin now?

Putin...schmootin. China will arm the thousands of fit, military aged men that have been coming across the border over the last few years. Dems will cheer.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (YGqO/)

306 Too bad nobody meets those qualifications.
Posted by: CppThis at May 21, 2023 01:48 PM (PZvjL)

There is another...

Or really, the same guy as last time.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (BXDM3)

307 300
'some still stuck in Russia, and even they'll admit this when they're shitfaced.'

Yeah but how often is that going to happen?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (roH4R)

308 I hope the space aliens are Vorlons, not Shadows

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (aVRvI)

309 They really are a different culture. We still have Russian friends, some still stuck in Russia, and even they'll admit this when they're shitfaced.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (p61dW)

All true. Yet they have built an indigenous aircraft industry and the Yasen class subs. And the s-500 abd s-550.

They are an enigma and I am being serious.

They actually drove our finest minds to breakdown and heart attacks during Cold War.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (0g0+T)

310 Too bad nobody meets those qualifications.
Posted by: CppThis at May 21, 2023 01:48 PM (PZvjL)

I'm guessing those qualifications are having a huge differential in sub power.

Looks like we prib don't have that anymore.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:51 PM (0g0+T)

311 My alchemy experiment didn't work, guess I am still poor

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 01:52 PM (xhxe8)

312 309
'All true. Yet they have built an indigenous aircraft industry and the Yasen class subs. And the s-500 abd s-550.'

I don't think the Russians can match us across the board because of their economic and logistical deficiencies.

That being said, I think we will find them quite capable as far as research. There will be limited areas like submarines and aircraft where they come very close to the same quality we have.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:53 PM (roH4R)

313 if someone wants to experience retarded and dysfunctional...they need not look to Russia. they can look at our beautiful blue cities , counties and states. I doubt Russia is putting on tranny conferences for children and castrating teens in the name of diversity and inclusion.

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:54 PM (V13WU)

314 There will be limited areas like submarines and aircraft where they come very close to the same quality we have.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:53 PM (roH4R)

Well... I think the entire post WWII US hegemony was built on our sub fleet. So....

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:54 PM (0g0+T)

315 They really are a different culture. We still have Russian friends, some still stuck in Russia, and even they'll admit this when they're shitfaced.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (p61dW)

All true. Yet they have built an indigenous aircraft industry and the Yasen class subs. And the s-500 abd s-550.

They are an enigma and I am being serious.

They actually drove our finest minds to breakdown and heart attacks during Cold War.
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (0g0+T)
***
One comment that has stuck with me over the years that I first heard as a young lieutenant is that the Russian's University system cranks out mathematicians and scientists the way we crank out lawyers. They are indeed a different culture...but a smart one as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 01:54 PM (YGqO/)

316 "142 In the 1990s the USA promised to defend the sovereignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons.
All of our allies in Europe are watching to see if we will just say "none of our business" Iike we did in the 30s when the right-wing of both parties have Hitler the green light.
Do you really think Putin will stop with Ukraine?
What will China do if we do not confront Putin now?
Posted by: Paul at May 21, 2023 01:01 PM (DlQ7c)"

I think this is another flavor of missing what is going on here. Several EU nations don't want the expense of involvement and some (cough, Germany) are run-through with pro-Russian factions dragging their feet. None of them really think Russia is a direct threat because they hide behind Poland and the Baltics. They are not "watching" the US - they are getting dragged in BY the US, because one or more of the US globalist factions set this whole mess up in the first place deliberately.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:55 PM (p61dW)

317 Time to go watch the sailboat race.
=====

Really want to know: is a regatta a sailboat or oared race?

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 21, 2023 01:56 PM (MIKMs)

318 One comment that has stuck with me over the years that I first heard as a young lieutenant is that the Russian's University system cranks out mathematicians and scientists the way we crank out lawyers. They are indeed a different culture...but a smart one as well.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 01:54 PM (YGqO/)

An under reported development is how RUS has ditched the Bologna System of the West.

They'll make more material scientists and chem engineers etc etc now.

There is a reason US For Pol was all about stopping a GER and RUS alliance.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:57 PM (0g0+T)

319 "315 They really are a different culture. We still have Russian friends, some still stuck in Russia, and even they'll admit this when they're shitfaced.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (p61dW)

All true. Yet they have built an indigenous aircraft industry and the Yasen class subs. And the s-500 abd s-550.

They are an enigma and I am being serious.

They actually drove our finest minds to breakdown and heart attacks during Cold War.
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:49 PM (0g0+T)
***
One comment that has stuck with me over the years that I first heard as a young lieutenant is that the Russian's University system cranks out mathematicians and scientists the way we crank out lawyers. They are indeed a different culture...but a smart one as well.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 01:54 PM (YGqO/)"

Those I know involved in spaceflight have nothing but good things to say about their accomplishments and technology there, klunky as it may be. "It just works" is a common observation. They can do that, and the subs and missiles and yet can barely manage semiconductors.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:58 PM (p61dW)

320 314
'Well... I think the entire post WWII US hegemony was built on our sub fleet. So....'

I'd agree we could probably deny ocean travel to everyone everywhere with our submarine fleet alone but surely US airpower has been the mainstay of our hegemony.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 01:58 PM (roH4R)

321 309 They really are a different culture. We still have Russian friends, some still stuck in Russia, and even they'll admit this when they're shitfaced.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:46 PM (p61dW)

the last refuge of Chatgpt

Posted by: REDACTED at May 21, 2023 01:59 PM (us2H3)

322 Really want to know: is a regatta a sailboat or oared race?
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 21, 2023 01:56 PM (MIKMs)

One is fun.
The other is oarsome!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2023 01:59 PM (YGqO/)

323
Really want to know: is a regatta a sailboat or oared race?
Posted by: mustbequantum

Row well and live.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 21, 2023 01:59 PM (63Dwl)

324 They can do that, and the subs and missiles and yet can barely manage semiconductors.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:58 PM (p61dW)

The chip industry is a rabbit hole. Incomprehensible structure. Very weird.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 01:59 PM (0g0+T)

325 The whole "white extremism is the greatest threat" bullshit is to justify cracking down on dissent.

Posted by: butch at May 21, 2023 02:00 PM (cHvOo)

326 315
'Russian's University system cranks out mathematicians and scientists the way we crank out lawyers.'

Maybe I was born in the wrong country, Russia is a tyrannical shithole though. So there is that.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 02:00 PM (roH4R)

327 316 Several EU nations don't want the expense of involvement and some (cough, Germany) are run-through with pro-Russian factions dragging their feet. None of them really think Russia is a direct threat because they hide behind Poland and the Baltics.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:55 PM (p61dW)

Germany pisses me off because they're constantly stirring shit up in their quest for the Fourth Reich, and then hide behind America's skirt as well as the aforementioned Poland/Baltic buffers (who actually do take NATO seriously and like America). Evil C++ wishes we had the technology to teleport our Baltic and Pole friends elsewhere and then laugh maniacally when Putin invades Germany and does Merkel doggy style on the steps of the Reichstag.

Posted by: CppThis at May 21, 2023 02:00 PM (PZvjL)

328
Really want to know: is a regatta a sailboat or oared race?
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 21, 2023 01:56 PM (MIKMs)

I think it can be used for both. I grew up in a city that hosted an annual rowing competition. It was called the Henley Regatta.

Posted by: NL at May 21, 2023 02:00 PM (eGTCV)

329 "313 if someone wants to experience retarded and dysfunctional...they need not look to Russia. they can look at our beautiful blue cities , counties and states. I doubt Russia is putting on tranny conferences for children and castrating teens in the name of diversity and inclusion.
Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:54 PM (V13WU)"

If those cities and those ruling them wanted to crack down and generate order they could do it in weeks. What they are doing now is intentional.

Don't attribute things to Russia simply because the west is increasingly run by evil degenerates.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 02:01 PM (p61dW)

330 They are not "watching" the US - they are getting dragged in BY the US, because one or more of the US globalist factions set this whole mess up in the first place deliberately.
Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 01:55 PM (p61dW)

Yeah, early on we sent some goons to Germany and said "looky there at that oil pipeline connecting you to Russia. Be a shame if sumfing was to 'appen to it."

Then.... BOOOOOOOM!!

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 02:01 PM (pjtAK)

331 Really want to know: is a regatta a sailboat or oared race?
Posted by: mustbequantum

no regattes tat on my brain front

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 02:01 PM (us2H3)

332 weird that they decided to hold G7 meet at Hiroshima
Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 01:36 PM (V13WU)
===
Otherwise known as a "gentle reminder"

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 21, 2023 02:01 PM (GNJ+7)

333 1st WORLD PROBLEM NOOD

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2023 02:02 PM (xhxe8)

334 "stuck in Russia"...that is a giveaway. somebody needs better prep material; updated from 1990.

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 02:02 PM (V13WU)

335 Passing by quickly was an opinion piece on MSNBC early last week, before we knew even more was going to the Ukraine. It struck me as particularly odd as Mika's two brothers are ass deep in Ukrainian/Russian/U.S. politics.

May 15, 2023, By Zeeshan Aleem, MSNBC Opinion Writer /Editor: Zelenskyy has a bigger and more alarming appetite for risk than we thought. Zelenskyy has proposed risky plans that could trigger a U.S.-Russia war.

Posted by: Lola - ALL the videotapes from Alexandra and Jade, too. at May 21, 2023 02:02 PM (GshMh)

336 Maybe I was born in the wrong country, Russia is a tyrannical shithole though. So there is that.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 02:00 PM (roH4R)

While I certainly wouldn't want to live there, it's also true to say their government doesn't interfere in the day to day lives of the people anywhere near as much as ours does.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 02:03 PM (pjtAK)

337 Yeah, early on we sent some goons to Germany and said "looky there at that oil pipeline connecting you to Russia. Be a shame if sumfing was to 'appen to it."

Then.... BOOOOOOOM!!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 21, 2023 02:01 PM (pjtAK)

Trump did same kinda. But his was more like "you fools do you not see the obvious train barrelling at you?".

They of course laughed at him.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 21, 2023 02:03 PM (0g0+T)

338 Don't attribute things to Russia simply because the west is increasingly run by evil degenerates.

===

this is the funnies thing I read on this thread

Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 02:05 PM (V13WU)

339 "334 "stuck in Russia"...that is a giveaway. somebody needs better prep material; updated from 1990.
Posted by: runner at May 21, 2023 02:02 PM (V13WU)"

They're literally in a wheelchair, or caring for relatives that are or otherwise can't leave, you ass.

Damn near everyone I've worked with who is Russian and who remained a friend after professional matters were concluded - i.e., by nature this means they're not a POS - left Russia proper. Most are in the Baltics or Cyprus.

We used to send/receive physical Christmas cards from Russia until this recent BS made foreign mail a poor idea.

Posted by: somedood at May 21, 2023 02:06 PM (p61dW)

340 337
'Trump did same kinda. But his was more like "you fools do you not see the obvious train barrelling at you?".

They of course laughed at him.'

Intelligence != Wisdom.
I can't think of any people that embodies that more than the Germans.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 21, 2023 02:07 PM (roH4R)

341 A capable Western leader whose wrath was actually feared would force Kievan Rus' and Muscovite Rus' to the negotiating table to prevent this business from getting out of hand. Too bad nobody meets those qualifications.

Bingo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 21, 2023 02:26 PM (Xrfse)

342 I agree that Russia and Ukraine are corrupt regimes. But Putin has a desire, if not the ability, to rebuild the USSR and will then join with China and Iran and North Korea and others to impose their twisted, tyranny on the rest of the world.

The threat here is a reunited USSR allied with a more potent China, rolling over a demoralized west, one state at a time.

Had the west stopped Hitler at the Rhineland, Austria or Czechoslovakia it is likely that there would have been no WW2. If we don't stop Putin in Ukraine, there is a much greater chance of WW3.

I don't see how people don't see that but a lot of conservatives seem to engage in wishful thinking on this matter. If we can't oppose Putin in Ukraine, we won't oppose Xi in Taiwan. It's really that simple.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 21, 2023 02:52 PM (RIfux)

343 Once the Russian armed forces were exposed as being mediocre at best

Respectfully disagree. They’re holding all the territory they want to hold. Meanwhile, the Uke forces continue their steady westward advance.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at May 21, 2023 02:55 PM (Uafbi)

344 I don't see how people don't see that but a lot of conservatives seem to engage in wishful thinking on this matter. If we can't oppose Putin in Ukraine, we won't oppose Xi in Taiwan. It's really that simple.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 21, 2023 02:52 PM (RIfux)

How about we draw the line at NATO countries?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 03:06 PM (b9Gb2)

345 Also, we won't oppose Xi on Taiwan.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 03:06 PM (b9Gb2)

346 >>>Do you really think Putin will stop with Ukraine?
What will China do if we do not confront Putin now?

>This is silly. Who cares? One has nothing to do with the other. Diplomacy is out of the barn. If we become the target of hostilities, kill them all.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 21, 2023 03:11 PM (KVGVf)

347 How about we draw the line at NATO countries?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 21, 2023 03:06 PM (b9Gb2)

If you don't realize that a reunified USSR is a greater threat to western Europe then, like I said, you aren't thinking it through. You don't deter aggression by giving in to it. Maybe Xi will learn Taiwan won't be a pushover once Putin gets bitch-slapped.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 21, 2023 07:01 PM (RIfux)

348
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