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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 06/03/2023 [TheJamesMadison]

A Quick Note
Before we begin, I have published a new novel, Colonial Nightmare, and if you decided to buy copies for all of your friends and family, I wouldn't be mad about it. Now, on with the show!

John Boorman


There was a time when John Boorman was the toast of the film school student. That time was the late sixties and early seventies, mostly on the strength of his second film, the Lee Marvin starring adaptation of a Richard Stark novel Point Blank. Borderline experimental while also existing firmly in the realm of the crime movie, it did some really interesting things in terms of editing, tone, and performance that were unlike anything else at the time. His importance was along the lines of Jean-Pierre Melville, another non-American filmmaker who specialized in crime films that excited film students. Current filmmakers like Steven Soderbergh were so caught up in how Boorman broke certain cinematic grammatical rules that he become obsessed with the film. He even interviews Boorman on the commentary track for the film's home video release, talking about how much he stole from Boorman's techniques in the film.

That passion for Boorman expanded in fits and starts (no one remembers Leo the Last), peaking with Deliverance for which he received his first Oscar nomination for Best Director (losing to Bob Fosse for Cabaret), hitting his nadir with his bonkers sequel to The Exorcist, Exorcist II: The Heretic, and clawing himself back up with Excalibur and Hope and Glory (for which he earned his second Best Director nomination). It's Hope and Glory where any serious knowledge of his work ends, though. Maybe you can put up a flag for The Tailor of Panama 14 years later, but that has less to do with Boorman than the film being the first major post-Bond work by Pierce Brosnan.

What is it about his earlier work that so largely caught the attention of film fans and even the larger culture that his later work doesn't? What changed? Are the earlier works better than the later works?

The Heart of Darkness and the Modern World


First of all, yes, the earlier works are better than the later works. I'll get to those later works in a bit, but the earlier works are defined by some fairly specific ideas that become less prominent in the final stages of his career. There's also an ambition around how Boorman tries to tell stories, giving most of them a certain mythic feel that the other films don't share. That combination of experimentalism, mythic feel, and large ideas was appealing in a very particular way to the point where even something like the narrative disaster Exorcist II: The Heretic has some intellectual appeal hidden away. And that's where the two complimentary ideas that Boorman plays with most consistently are: the heart of darkness in men, and the dehumanizing effect of the modern world.

Deliverance is the best example of the heart of darkness idea as four buddies take a canoe trip down a northern Georgia river as a weekend getaway from their busy lives in Atlanta. In it, they encounter a couple of mountain men who may or may not be running a moonshine still who decide to rape Ned Beatty (the famous "squeal piggy" scene), leading to the need to kill the mountain men just to survive. The reality of murdering someone is lingered on for a surprisingly long time as the four men argue about what to do and what it all means. On the one hand you have Burt Reynolds talking about how its necessary and natural, and on the other you have Ronny Cox calling it murder and the need for police to investigate. Removing themselves from the safety of the modern world, a place that Reynold's describes as numbing, leading to the need for regular vacations away from it in order to keep in touch with your humanity, they discover the darkness at the heart of their humanity, how dangerous humanity can really be.

Perhaps the most potent flip of that, the focus on the dehumanizing effect of technology, would be Zardoz. Now, Zardoz has this reputation of being an insane, drug-fueled trip into sort of science fiction complete with Sean Connery running around the whole thing in a red diaper, save the brief moment he's in a wedding dress, and it's all true. However, Boorman is an intelligent man, and even when he's being less than successful narratively and absolutely insane (just read his script for The Lord of the Rings), he brings something to the table to chew on, and the ideas at play in Zardoz revolve around how technology outpaces humanity. In the film, a group of immortal people called The Eternals live in bubbles called the Vortex. Their lives are nothing but pleasures and only the most basic of work to feed themselves, everything else being taken care of for them, to the point that some of them have simply stopped moving. Unable to die, they just stand in the same place and stare off. They don't even have sex, and when Sean Connery's Brutal named Zed breaks into the Vortex, they desire to study him, to see what's going on outside the Vortex (murder and death), and have a particular emphasis on studying the sexual life of him. Technology, in Boorman's vision of the future, robbed humanity of the desire for procreation, advancement, or even human connection (there are heavy, shall we say, parallels to H.G. Wells Eloi and Morlocks in The Time Machine). Sure, it may not be the most original thought in the world, but there is a thought there, and that packaging is just...fascinatingly weird.

These two ideas get bandied around a lot in Boorman's career from 1965's Catch Us If You Can until 1990's Where the Heart Is. In Hell in the Pacific, Lee Marvin and Toshiro Mifune, opposing participants in a WWII naval battle, find themselves alone on a deserted island in the Pacific, far from civilization and any technology other than what they can craft out of bamboo and leaves, who need to get past the barriers of survival to connect as people. It's when they find civilization again, leaving the island to find the remnants of a battle, that they begin to dissolve their friendship (watch the original ending version, it's much better). In Excalibur, the pure hearted Arthur is the only one able to wield the sword of legend when he remains pure. When human nature takes over, like when he cheats in a duel against Lancelot, Excalibur rejects him and England suffers, leading the entire country into a period of war and destruction, forcing it all to face the heart of darkness. In Exorcist II: The Heretic, a modern piece of technology connects Richard Burton with the demon inside Linda Blair (taking humanity too far), leading to a chase into the wilds of Africa to find the truth where the demon came from before finding Linda Blair.

These two ideas, the heart of darkness in man that comes out in the wilds of the world and the dehumanizing nature of technology that leaves humanity behind, seemed to consume him for about twenty-five years. 1990 is the year of the last movie he made of this vein, the much maligned Where the Heart Is (I like it). There's a five year gap, and then starts with his more political movies with Beyond Rangoon that shares some of the motifs that Boorman had been playing with, but is definitely in some new direction.

Family Politics

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I don't normally dig into personal lives of directors, but I did decide to watch My Dad and Me, a forty-five-minute documentary that his daughter, Katrine, made in 2012 (it's on YouTube in four parts). In it, she gives an interesting piece of information that I hadn't really noticed before that Boorman and his first wife of thirty-four years, Christel, divorced in 1990. The documentary ends with a big dinner for the family where, it seems, John and Christel see each other for the first time since the divorce, and it's obvious that neither of them can stand each other anymore. Katrine and her sister Daisy hypothesize that by the time of the divorce, John wanted to sow his oats elsewhere, but 1990 was well beyond the height of his power and influence in the movie making world. He was definitely on the tail end of things in terms of that stuff. I'm not here to hypothesize about the "real" reason John Boorman decided to divorce his wife, but the timing at 1990, followed by a material change in what his movies were about starting with his next film in 1995, seems to imply to me that he was experiencing a change in worldview somehow.

That being said, starting with Beyond Rangoon in 1995 and all the way through Queen and Country in 2014 (I bet you didn't know he made a movie in 2014), his movies dealt much more fully with contemporary political situations either in Ireland (his adopted home) or in far flung places like Burma or South Africa, except for Queen and Country which is something of its own individual beast in his filmography but does touch on the changing politics of England in 1950 in explicit ways that his earlier films never did. There's also a change in thematic focus. You can still pick out the heart of darkness stuff here and there, but it becomes more work to do and less obvious, while the technology aspect pretty much falls away completely. Instead, what replaces it all is this balance of truth versus lies in creating or destroying connections between people.

This is most manifest in The Tailor of Panama, the adaptation of the novel by John le Carre, inspired by the book and film of Graham Greene's Our Man in Havana, about the titular tailor who invents a network of underground resistance against the post-Noriega regime in Panama that leads to a disgraced MI6 agent to pay him off for the bad intelligence that he knows is bad intelligence because it's so absurd, including the idea that China and Taiwan are coming together to purchase the Panama Canal. It's a series of lies that are just too juicy to ignore from the home office, especially since a trusted source, their MI6 agent, is telling it to them. On top of that, there are lies in the tailor's past that he has hidden from his wife whose preservation help drive him to participate in the agent's plot. The lies obfuscate, and the truth ends up making things better.

This extends into the other films, of course. Beyond Rangoon is something of a transitional film about coming over trauma through...surviving anti-democratic purges in a real place (the movie isn't very good), but it starts earnestly with The General, a story about the Irish robber and criminal Martin Cahill (in Brendan Gleeson's breakout performance) that turns him into a metaphor for the degradation of the Irish character through the 60s. In My Country is all about an Afrikaner reporter covering the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa where the truth of the crimes of the past of apartheid, along with the reporter having an affair with an African-American reporter from the Washington Post...which she has to reveal to her husband at the end to provide healing (it's a serious drag on the film). The Tiger's Tail is about lying to yourself about what you want where a wealthy real estate developer discovers that he has a doppelganger, his long lost twin, and they end up switching places because they have different wants and needs (it's interesting, though not really successful).

This late stage of Boorman's career is obviously much more grounded than his earlier films, and it's just not as good. There is really interesting stuff going on, though, that I admire. I can't hate it, but I have little desire to revisit any of them ever again. Boorman really strikes me as an intelligent man with interesting things to say, but he simply doesn't have the screenwriting chops to package them properly in a film on his own. He really needed cowriters, which he had on all of his best films except Hope and Glory, his autobiographical film. Most of the films that he did write were overstuffed with ideas that never quite connected right. Interesting ideas, filled with promise, well-filmed and well-performed, but never really fitting together in dramatically satisfactory ways.

Hope and Queen and Glory and Country

As I've noted, Boorman made two explicitly autobiographical films, Hope and Glory, for which he was nominated for Best Director, and Queen and Country almost thirty years later for the BBC. The characters aren't named after himself or his family, but ask him about them and he'll say that they're his family (just like Spielberg and The Fabelmans). What I found interesting about them is that even though they feel like they should disassociate from the rest of his filmography, they don't. Hope and Glory is as much about looking into the heart of darkness and the dehumanizing power of technology as Zardoz or Deliverance. The focus, though, is Queen and Country.

Queen and Country is his final film, and it feels like a final film. It's sedate, like a lot of older filmmakers, introspective, and it reflects pretty much the entirety of his thematic obsessions in one package one last time. I watched a Q&A of Boorman a few years after the film came out (this video after a screening of Hell in the Pacific) where he's asked if he'll make another film (he is still alive), and he says, "Not if I can help it." He also says in that My Dad and Me documentary that making films is a horrible job (I've heard that more than once from directors). Queen and Country feels like a final statement from Boorman not because it's his final film, but because he obviously made it to be his final film. It's a goodbye to everything he loved about the movies he made, and it helps that it ends up being his most successful movie in almost thirty years.

Goodbye, you crazy, insane, and talented man

John Boorman stopped fulfilling his early promise by the 1990s. His wildly ambitious, almost always messy, mythic in feel, scope, and implication, but also interesting films gave way to smaller, more political fare with a tighter focus on more grounded interpersonal relationships. He also worked less frequently with co-writers who could mold his ideas into dramatic wholes, leaving a second half of his career that is simply not up to par with the first. He's never less than interesting, though, and there are things to pick from those later films.

However, the real meat is in the first half. Stuff like Excalibur, Deliverance, Point Blank, Hell in the Pacific (his best film, in my opinion), and even the crazier stuff like Zardoz or even Exorcist II: The Heretic (which, don't get me wrong, is a terrible, terrible film) are just fascinating to watch for their occasionally blind and sometimes misdirected ambition. He was a singular voice who managed to keep that voice in the commercial world of film for an impressively long time. He made a surprising mark for making a good number of his films right around his house in Ireland, and I'm glad I went through his work.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse

The Boogeyman

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Hell in the Pacific (Rating 4/4) Full Review "The sparseness of the narrative allows great focus on the characters while providing a large space for implication and even subtlety in this tale of the loss of civilization, the rise of cooperation and friendship, and it all coming crashing down again." [Personal Collection]

Deliverance (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "If you've ever wanted to make a movie where a handful of guys wander around the woods for most of the runtime, I'm not sure you could find a better model than John Boorman's Deliverance, based on the book and script by James Dickey." [Library]

Zardoz (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "However, I'm kind of surprised it works as well as it does, but it can't quite come together completely. Maybe if Boorman had set aside the cocaine for a few days during scripting, he could have ironed this stuff out." [Personal Collection]

The Emerald Forest (Rating 2/4) Full Review "Boorman brings his normal filmmaking skills to the affair, but his inability to settle on ideas bites him once again." [Library]

Hope and Glory (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "It's also a testament to how a distinct storyteller can make any story his own, bending it to his thematic obsessions. That it's entertaining is all the better." [Library]

The General (Rating 3/4) Full Review "This isn't one of Boorman's great films. I think it needed to make the rise of Cahill more infectiously entertaining to help make the downfall more impactful, but it's a well-managed, well-acted, and well-put together production that makes its point well." [Library]

The Tailor of Panama (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "Is the film good? Not really. I think a tighter second act could have pushed it up there, but that second act just flags and drains so much tension and excitement out of the film. Is it bad? I wouldn't go that far. Boorman has definitely made worse, and he's too in command here for the film to descend into badness." [Library]

Ben-Hur (Rating 4/4) Full Review "In the hands of Wyler, he brings genuine earnestness to the affair while balancing ideas without getting preachy and integrating everything in a beautiful film filled with grand sets and marvelous performances." [Library]

Contact

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Comments

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1 This thing on?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 03, 2023 07:49 PM (oHd/0)

2 /taps the side....

/shakes it...

Nope..

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 03, 2023 07:50 PM (oHd/0)

3 1 This thing on?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 03, 2023 07:49 PM (oHd/0)

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Freebird!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 07:50 PM (LvTSG)

4 What are the chances TJM wrote this while wearing a red mankini and thigh boots?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 07:51 PM (eOuNC)

5 4 What are the chances TJM wrote this while wearing a red mankini and thigh boots?
Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 07:51 PM (eOuNC)

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Higher than you might think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 07:52 PM (LvTSG)

6 I miss the batshittery of 70's films.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 07:56 PM (eOuNC)

7
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 03, 2023 07:56 PM (ENBF0)

8 I hear the next big TJM project is going to be The Films of Jim Wynorski.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 03, 2023 07:56 PM (CHHv1)

9 Apocalypse Now is the most quotable movie ever.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 07:57 PM (Eeb9P)

10 Watched on of my favorite Westerns this afternoon
The Cowboys

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2023 07:57 PM (xhxe8)

11 Mankini? I just started eating supper.

Posted by: Eromero at June 03, 2023 07:58 PM (Uv0D2)

12 When human nature takes over, like when he cheats in a duel against Lancelot, Excalibur rejects him and England suffers, leading the entire country into a period of war and destruction, forcing it all to face the heart of darkness.

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He broke Excalibur on Lancelot then threw it into a pond. The lady of the lake gave it back. Things went to shit when he banged Morganna and caught Lancelot and Guinevere bumping uglies.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 07:58 PM (u73oe)

13 12 He broke Excalibur on Lancelot then threw it into a pond. The lady of the lake gave it back. Things went to shit when he banged Morganna and caught Lancelot and Guinevere bumping uglies.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 07:58 PM (u73oe)

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My phrasing was a bit imprecise, but I was trying to essentially combine the two events into one sentence. I guess it didn't work.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:00 PM (LvTSG)

14 Zardoz?

Well there is World End Harem where a strange virus rapidly wipes out all the human men. Story opens when they thaw out one of the few men left and this society starts throwing women at him to have sex with and thus father children.

This anime has a pretty deep conspiracy buried under all the redacted nudity and sexuality.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 08:01 PM (hSG9W)

15 Duke, I asked Mrs. E if she wanted to read Once And Future King. She said 'too thick.'.

Posted by: Eromero at June 03, 2023 08:01 PM (Uv0D2)

16 Point Blank was on the tv last week.
I liked it.
Lee played a hard man well.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 03, 2023 08:02 PM (hASXU)

17 Rant: I went to see "Spiderverse" today. Got my assigned seat, only to find the entire center of the row taken up by parents and their porcine bratlings. Dad, in my seat, just shrugged like Whaddya gonna do? So I got a new assigned seat in the Facemelt row and it turned out to be a better deal. The acid trip on screen just washed right over and through me.

People sitting in my seat seems to happen about a third of the time. I hate assigned seating.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 08:03 PM (eOuNC)

18 I have seen Zardoz maybe 3 times ( it's actually a inside joke at The Miniature Page) making me see it the first time. Been 10 years since last.

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2023 08:04 PM (xhxe8)

19 Man, Excalibur is a great flick. Why you go to movies good.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at June 03, 2023 08:04 PM (oWBc3)

20 9 Apocalypse Now is the most quotable movie ever.
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 07:57 PM (Eeb9P)
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*Blazing Saddles has entered the chat*

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 08:05 PM (eOuNC)

21 Most quotable movie? Princess Bride followed by Office Space.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at June 03, 2023 08:07 PM (oWBc3)

22 *ponders Eris at the toll booth asking cowboys about their chaps*

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 08:07 PM (hSG9W)

23 Caddy shack, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and Life of Brian are all more quotable than Apocalypse Now.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 08:09 PM (u73oe)

24 This river don't go to Aintry.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 03, 2023 08:09 PM (ZLI7S)

25 Evening.

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:09 PM (DxkVu)

26 I enjoyed this chapter of the Miles Morales spideyverse a lot, what with the amazeballz animation, but the story was not as cohesive as the first movie; it was a string of fun bits but didn't quite hang together as a story for me. Still a thumbs up.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 08:10 PM (eOuNC)

27 Apocalypse Now and Blazing Saddles -- both absolutely quotable. But tribute must be paid to Animal House and Ghostbusters (the first one) as well.

Aliens should get honorable mention for its probably-most-quoted line: 'Nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.' A line appropriate for so many occasions...

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 03, 2023 08:10 PM (a/4+U)

28 Thx for the post TJM. Hope and Glory is a great film. His version of his childhood during WWII is an interesting flipside to JG Ballard's "experience" in Empire of the Sun. The reason for "thank you, Adolf" is a hoot

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 08:11 PM (mmVCq)

29 I think the only Boorman film I've ever seen is Excalibur.

I...might have to buy a copy of Zardoz now. Sean Connery in a wedding dress? Just...dude...

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:11 PM (DxkVu)

30 28 Thx for the post TJM. Hope and Glory is a great film. His version of his childhood during WWII is an interesting flipside to JG Ballard's "experience" in Empire of the Sun. The reason for "thank you, Adolf" is a hoot
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 08:11 PM (mmVCq)

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I was definitely thinking of Empire of the Sun as I watched Hope and Glory.

That would be an interesting double feature.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:12 PM (LvTSG)

31 I have "The Tailor of Panama" and will try to watch it one more time but it had a porn flick quality about it.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 03, 2023 08:12 PM (xc8mL)

32 Well there is World End Harem where a strange virus rapidly wipes out all the human men. Story opens when they thaw out one of the few men left and this society starts throwing women at him to have sex with and thus father children.

This anime has a pretty deep conspiracy buried under all the redacted nudity and sexuality.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 08:01 PM (hSG9W)

Sounds very similar to Y: The Last Man.

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:12 PM (DxkVu)

33 Still Saigon
Extreme prejudice
Charlie don't surf
Ride Valkyries
Gasoline smell
Too tight for New Orleans
Don't get off the boat
Wise man bullshit man!
Grocery clerk

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:13 PM (Eeb9P)

34 33 Still Saigon
Extreme prejudice
Charlie don't surf
Ride Valkyries
Gasoline smell
Too tight for New Orleans
Don't get off the boat
Wise man bullshit man!
Grocery clerk
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:13 PM (Eeb9P)

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*nods sagaciously*

Ballistics: Ecks vs. Sever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:14 PM (LvTSG)

35
Opening in Theaters:
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse


Jai guru deva, om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 03, 2023 08:15 PM (pNxlR)

36 @33 "the horror,the horror"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 08:15 PM (mmVCq)

37 I finally watched The Red Shoes.

Ho. Ly. Shit!

That was *wonderful*. Looked great on bluray, for starters, and I think they snuck in a real ballet halfway through. Mind you I'm not a ballet guy but this movie made it seem really interesting.

HIGHLY recommended.

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:15 PM (DxkVu)

38 I'm a random movie going guy who doesn't know Jack, but Deliverance and Excalibur were both masterworks.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 03, 2023 08:15 PM (KVGVf)

39 The Movie Roulette selection today was:

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

Of the three IJ movies that count (I don't count Crystal Skull or Dial of Destiny), I think it's perhaps the most "pulpy," as in, it has the most pulp fiction tropes out of them all. Could just as easily have been a Conan or Solomon Kane story in a different era.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 03, 2023 08:16 PM (BpYfr)

40 Too tight doesn't belong,

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:16 PM (Eeb9P)

41 37 I finally watched The Red Shoes.

Ho. Ly. Shit!

That was *wonderful*. Looked great on bluray, for starters, and I think they snuck in a real ballet halfway through. Mind you I'm not a ballet guy but this movie made it seem really interesting.

HIGHLY recommended.
Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:15 PM (DxkVu)

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In my post about the first quarter century of the Oscars, I listed The Red Shoes as a film I would have voted over the actual winner of that year (Laurence Olivier's Hamlet).

It's really good. Check out other works by Emeric and Pressburger, probably starting with Black Narcissus or The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:16 PM (LvTSG)

42 The horror the horror was the one I could see but not recall

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:17 PM (Eeb9P)

43 What does Ecks vs Sever mean?

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:18 PM (Eeb9P)

44 Mel Gibson’s Payback is a soft remake of Point Blank, both are based on the same book.

Posted by: Eric at June 03, 2023 08:18 PM (tez6A)

45 For an anime to make you doubt your sanity and ties to reality... no not Paprika but Garden of Sinners.

Some of the ten episodes are 30 minutes while the longest one is over two hours and the two hour one seems to be jumping through time a lot via what I think are flashbacks.

So what is this anime? It is an R-rated horror series that has some of the most amazingly brutal fight scenes with heavy doses of slice of life moments interposed. How brutal, body parts and blood flying everywhere brutal. And it all revolves around the question of who or what is Ryogi Shiiki. Is she just a normal teenager? And what is the nature of her soul?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 08:19 PM (hSG9W)

46
"Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 03, 2023 08:20 PM (pNxlR)

47 I disagree with Jamaica NYC Johnson!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 08:20 PM (u73oe)

48 Watery tarts beats Joey Bidet hands down.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 08:21 PM (hSG9W)

49 The Carmina Burana scene in Excalibur puts him in the Hall of Fame all by itself.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 03, 2023 08:22 PM (RdPFu)

50 Really enjoyed this write-up. Thanks.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 03, 2023 08:23 PM (RdPFu)

51 Excalibur also has a young Helen Mirren.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 08:23 PM (u73oe)

52 Hell in the Pacific is great. The no subtitles is interesting. I've often wondered if a Japanese person who only spoke Japanese, and no English, would enjoy it.

Posted by: davidt at June 03, 2023 08:23 PM (SYTee)

53 Why do you guys sit on your helmets?

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:23 PM (Eeb9P)

54 Very interesting as usual, TJM. Thank you. I need to search out several of the films mentioned. Like other Morons above, I loved Excalibur. Would like to see several others from Boorman.

Posted by: LadyS at June 03, 2023 08:25 PM (oq25h)

55 Put this skid right up that trollops's ass

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:25 PM (Eeb9P)

56 Flight of the Valkyries?

https://youtu.be/1SSt4qeb0BQ

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 08:25 PM (hSG9W)

57
Why do you guys sit on your helmets?
Posted by: Jamaica NYC


Chef listens, thinks "That's a really good idea!", and acts accordingly.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 03, 2023 08:25 PM (pNxlR)

58 52 Hell in the Pacific is great. The no subtitles is interesting. I've often wondered if a Japanese person who only spoke Japanese, and no English, would enjoy it.
Posted by: davidt at June 03, 2023 08:23 PM (SYTee)

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The script was written by two men, an American and a Japanese man. The dialogue is about evenly spaced between the two characters, so even though I don't speak a word of Japanese, I imagine that it would work very well with a Japanese audience.

Most of the actual dialogue isn't that necessary to understand the actual actions or emotions of what is going on in any given scene. The story is so pared down to the bone, I think it would be understandable if you didn't speak either language.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:26 PM (LvTSG)

59 A friend's wife watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail and really was confused by it all, it made no real sense to her since she didn't know anything about the grail legent. Then she said she watched Excalibur and laughed the whole way through and the jokes suddenly made sense.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 03, 2023 08:26 PM (xhaym)

60 And for my sins they gave me a mission.

And the scene with the shrimp on the plate.

Posted by: Thesokorus at June 03, 2023 08:26 PM (RdPFu)

61 In other viewing since I'm greatly looking forward to the new Mission Impossible I decided to get me a fancy six movie set on blu and started rewatching them. But out of order. So far I've gone 5, 1, 6, 3.

Hadn't seen the first one since it came out in '96. Very cool movie. Still love that bit where he dangles from the ceiling.

I saw number six in the theater but never saw number five until now. Couldn't remember a damned bloody thing about six save for me having some vague feelings of indifference (it didn't help that '18 was a shit year for me). In rewatching it I realize it's almost a single story continuing from part five. You really need to watch them together. Part six was, dare I say, really freakin' good.

As for part three...it's a very thin story with very good directing and probably the grittiest looking of the bunch. Philip Hoffman, who isn't in the film all that much, really does elevate it. I didn't realize Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci *Spits twice* worked on it. That would explain the stupider parts.

I'll watch number four when I get home. Number two...uh...maybe.

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:27 PM (T7tYN)

62 This one
https://youtu.be/30QzJKCUekQ

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:27 PM (Eeb9P)

63 And the scene with the shrimp on the plate.
Posted by: Thesokorus at June 03, 2023 08:26 PM (RdPFu)


I thought that was Tampopo

Posted by: Kindltot at June 03, 2023 08:28 PM (xhaym)

64 54 Very interesting as usual, TJM. Thank you. I need to search out several of the films mentioned. Like other Morons above, I loved Excalibur. Would like to see several others from Boorman.
Posted by: LadyS at June 03, 2023 08:25 PM (oq25h)

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Thank you!

And might I suggest that you don't start with Exorcist II.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:28 PM (LvTSG)

65 I'm currently watching "Influencer "

So far it's justified all the good review's it's gotten.

We'll see how it ends.

Streaming for free on Shuddet.

And elsewhere

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 08:28 PM (RJQ8g)

66 It's really good. Check out other works by Emeric and Pressburger, probably starting with Black Narcissus or The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:16 PM (LvTSG)

Aye aye, Cap'n!

*Salutes*

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:30 PM (T7tYN)

67 I... . Sean Connery in a wedding dress? Just...dude...
Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:11 PM (DxkVu)

...so, what's the big deal?!?!

Posted by: Ricky Williams at June 03, 2023 08:30 PM (CCSxw)

68 I saw Exorcist II when it first came out. Don’t remember much, but I do remember being disappointed.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 08:31 PM (u73oe)

69 At least I have seen many of these movies

Posted by: Skip at June 03, 2023 08:31 PM (xhxe8)

70 You can quote one line from each scene of AN and movie people will know what movie it's from.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:31 PM (Eeb9P)

71 But I shoot with this one

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:34 PM (Eeb9P)

72 I just wanted to say that you do magnificent work with these posts, you really do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 08:35 PM (2j28k)

73 Always drink gin with a mark, kid

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:35 PM (Eeb9P)

74 64. No worries there!

Posted by: LadyS at June 03, 2023 08:35 PM (oq25h)

75 That Spiderman thing looks like a wokefest.

Posted by: McLurkerson at June 03, 2023 08:37 PM (wNDOJ)

76 I have always seen Zardoz as the story of what happens when a completely feminized society meets a pure elemental Male force. Of course they submit to him, and of course he destroys them. It is in both their nature's to do that, and neither one can stop it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 08:38 PM (2j28k)

77 Uh, what else have I watched recently?

I mentioned Tron last time. That movie was just weird and strangely awesome. The only thing is accurately foreshadowed was the strange sexual arrangements of rich tech bros.

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 08:40 PM (LwWgx)

78 Technology, in Boorman's vision of the future, robbed humanity of the desire for procreation, advancement, or even human connection

Now that's what I call prophetic creative vision!

Posted by: CppThis at June 03, 2023 08:40 PM (PZvjL)

79 72 I just wanted to say that you do magnificent work with these posts, you really do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 08:35 PM (2j28k)

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That's really very kind. Thank you!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:40 PM (LvTSG)

80 78 Technology, in Boorman's vision of the future, robbed humanity of the desire for procreation, advancement, or even human connection

Now that's what I call prophetic creative vision!
Posted by: CppThis at June 03, 2023 08:40 PM (PZvjL)

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"We don't get it."
-Japan

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:41 PM (LvTSG)

81 Not possible to take enough acid to enjoy Zardoz

Hope and Glory was an incredible film and I felt like I had lived his childhood after seeing it

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 03, 2023 08:41 PM (RIvkX)

82 "It is in both their nature's to do that, and neither one can stop it.
Posted by: Tom Servo"

You can disturb the natural order, but it will eventually turn to center.

Posted by: fd at June 03, 2023 08:42 PM (iayUP)

83 81 Not possible to take enough acid to enjoy Zardoz

Hope and Glory was an incredible film and I felt like I had lived his childhood after seeing it
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 03, 2023 08:41 PM (RIvkX)

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If you haven't seen it, he did make a sequel called Queen and Country that isn't up to par with Hope and Glory, but it is in that same vein.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:42 PM (LvTSG)

84 I love the movies you all have named, but Princess Bride is the most quotable movie of all time. Any other candidate is INCONCEIVABLE!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 08:43 PM (2j28k)

85 @Tom Servo

I see your Princess Bride (a fine choice, no doubt) and raise you Tombstone.

Posted by: McLurkerson at June 03, 2023 08:44 PM (wNDOJ)

86 The man in black is still coming, and hell's coming with him.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 03, 2023 08:46 PM (a/4+U)

87 For an anime to make you doubt your sanity and ties to reality... no not Paprika, but Garden of Sinners.
Posted by: Anna Puma


Seconded! Paprika makes you doubt the sanity of the protagonist, but Garden is just a mind screw.

Blind people should watch the Garden of Sinners/Kara no Kyoukai movies, just for the music. Anything that gets a soundtrack-writing powerhouse like Yuki Kajiura to put together a whole new band--Kalafina--just to perform the music for a series of movies has to be good.

I'll watch all the way through the credits just for songs like these:

https://youtu.be/i190q5WzRHo
https://youtu.be/UI8Iy7kmRxo
https://youtu.be/edSaT8e65oQ

Posted by: mikeski at June 03, 2023 08:47 PM (DgGvY)

88 I gave you ten lines.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:47 PM (Eeb9P)

89 I...might have to buy a copy of Zardoz now. Sean Connery in a wedding dress? Just...dude...
Posted by: Robert


During Pride Month?!

Oh, wait, that's the perfect time for that.

Posted by: mikeski at June 03, 2023 08:49 PM (DgGvY)

90 Exorcist II was so bad it made me angry

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 03, 2023 08:49 PM (RIvkX)

91 20 9 Apocalypse Now is the most quotable movie ever.
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 07:57 PM (Eeb9P)
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*Blazing Saddles has entered the chat*

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 03, 2023 08:05 PM (eOuNC)
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Young Frankenstein barged in.

Posted by: Ciampino -- bellum bellum bellum at June 03, 2023 08:50 PM (qfLjt)

92 Zardoz is arguably the first theatrical presentation of Cancel Culture, when Friend refuses to go to.2nd Level Meditation with the group, and is labeled Renegade because of it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 08:50 PM (2j28k)

93 Rewatched true grit, greyhound, seven samurai and saw cocaine bear for the first time this week. It was a busy week.

Posted by: Blutarski at June 03, 2023 08:51 PM (+kOUi)

94 Pikers

Posted by: The Simpsons at June 03, 2023 08:51 PM (Eeb9P)

95 72 I just wanted to say that you do magnificent work with these posts, you really do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 08:35 PM (2j28k)
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Seconded. Always learn something new and interesting. thank you.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 03, 2023 08:52 PM (RIvkX)

96 Also the movie I remember was the emerald forest. I remember thinking they forget to write a script. Didn’t get it. Loved Excalibur though

Posted by: Blutarski at June 03, 2023 08:53 PM (+kOUi)

97
Zardoz is arguably the first theatrical presentation of Cancel Culture, when Friend refuses to go to.2nd Level Meditation with the group, and is labeled Renegade because of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Sorry, no. That would be Patrick McGoohan's "The Prisoner"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 03, 2023 08:53 PM (pNxlR)

98 He got it right with Zardoz. Eaten up by your own monster.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 03, 2023 08:53 PM (glGDV)

99 I've seen this movie with Kenley Jansen before

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 08:53 PM (Eeb9P)

100 Excalibur will always be one of my top 3 movies. I love every aspect of it. So over-the-top, the visuals are fantastic, everyone is always shouting their lines in each others' faces, and the cheerleader I took to it in the theater covered her eyes during all the sex scenes. Shoulda married that girl. And there are so many actors who make appearances in it who end up becoming big stars later on.

I've never been able to find a copy of Boorman's script for LotR. Anyone have link? I'd love to read it.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 03, 2023 08:54 PM (4ChKX)

101 I piss on Exorcist II
/SWIDT?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 03, 2023 08:55 PM (RIvkX)

102 I liked Excalibur but you can tell something is basically wrong with Boorman. I have seen other films by him but I don't remember them (like Beyond Rangoon).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 03, 2023 08:55 PM (0hOvj)

103 An interesting topic for a movie post would be movies made from Phillip K. Dick stories. Blade Runner, Total Recall, The Adjustment Bureau, Minority Report, Screamers, A Glass Darkly , Paycheck and others. Uneven but thought provoking

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 08:55 PM (mmVCq)

104 I’m pretty sure that Excalibur was the first time I ever saw or at least noticed Liam Neesum. Did I spell that right?

Posted by: Blutarski at June 03, 2023 08:56 PM (+kOUi)

105 100 I've never been able to find a copy of Boorman's script for LotR. Anyone have link? I'd love to read it.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 03, 2023 08:54 PM (4ChKX)

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The below link is a direct link to a pdf, and copying it into your browser will start the download.

https://is.gd/73wjKt

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 08:56 PM (LvTSG)

106 I think I saw Emerald Forest as well but all I remember is boobs from that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 03, 2023 08:57 PM (0hOvj)

107 Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever.

Something about the presence of a colon in a movie title that makes it an automatic 'no' for me. It's as if the movie is presuming it's the start of a franchise. It's an intuition/policy that I believe has served me well.
Lucky for me, Buckaroo Banzai didn't have that punctuation. Unfortunately for Buckaroo Banzai, omitting the colon did not make it eligible for having a sequel.

Posted by: Rork at June 03, 2023 08:57 PM (EgYu9)

108 Most quotable and quoted movie: The Godfather. With the exception of Apocalypse Now the other movies mentioned are comedies, the lines being laughter provoking

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 08:59 PM (mmVCq)

109 Zardoz is some whacked out shit.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 03, 2023 09:00 PM (sJHOI)

110 Good commentary, TJM.

What I ran across in your Boorman retrospective is...how many movies of his I'd seen without knowing I'd seen a "John Boorman" film.

Though TJM sees a throughline of themes, I'm not sure I do. There is a rebellious spirit in his younger films that burns out. Otherwise, he just makes movies. Competently mostly, but with nothing I'd consider an auteur voice. He's no Quentin Tarantino or John Ford, both of whom have a 'voice'...you can feel the director in all their films. But not in Boorman, not to me at least.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 03, 2023 09:00 PM (xcxpd)

111 So many knowledgable folks about this place.

Posted by: NL at June 03, 2023 09:00 PM (eGTCV)

112 110 Though TJM sees a throughline of themes, I'm not sure I do. There is a rebellious spirit in his younger films that burns out. Otherwise, he just makes movies. Competently mostly, but with nothing I'd consider an auteur voice. He's no Quentin Tarantino or John Ford, both of whom have a 'voice'...you can feel the director in all their films. But not in Boorman, not to me at least.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 03, 2023 09:00 PM (xcxpd)

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I find the thematic ideas pretty tight in the early years, but there is just this big break in between Where the Heart Is and Beyond Rangoon, and then everything after that feels less cohesive both internally and across films.

It makes the "grand unifying theory of Boorman" very hard to pin down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 09:02 PM (LvTSG)

113 All I recall from Excalibur, which I think I saw only one time when it came out in my high school years, was lens flares from the armor and tits (Hellen Mirren's?)

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 03, 2023 09:02 PM (sJHOI)

114 I thought it was a gun thread thing like .40 S&W vs .45 ACP.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 09:02 PM (Eeb9P)

115 44 Mel Gibson’s Payback is a soft remake of Point Blank, both are based on the same book.
Posted by: Eric
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James Coburn was in that one too. I believe it was his last film. He died not too long after that.

Posted by: Puddleglum in Pennsytucky at June 03, 2023 09:04 PM (LUyqH)

116 Godfather and AN are the two I think of leading the chart.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 03, 2023 09:05 PM (Eeb9P)

117 Pulp Fiction
Silence of the Lambs
Casablanca

Posted by: JackStraw at June 03, 2023 09:05 PM (ZLI7S)

118 Cherie Lunghi was a major babe in Excalibur. Helen Mirren"s breasts were, as usual, outstanding

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 09:05 PM (mmVCq)

119 Okay, "Influencer" finished well.

Good movie.

Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:07 PM (RJQ8g)

120 Mikeski

The little openings where they are at a theater are totemo kawaii ne?

https://youtu.be/h-I5mAMNNrc

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:09 PM (hSG9W)

121 Star Wars is not a comedy and its very quotable. Its just such a part of our culture now that people forget its from a movie.

Terminator, Die Hard, Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jurassic Park, and yeah the other films listed above

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 03, 2023 09:10 PM (0hOvj)

122 Across the Spiderverse is supposedly good, but I was not very impressed with the first one (overrated in a big way, messy and difficult to follow) and the second is supposedly not as good.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 03, 2023 09:12 PM (0hOvj)

123 You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 03, 2023 09:16 PM (KVGVf)

124 123 You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 03, 2023 09:16 PM (KVGVf)

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*nods sagaciously*

The Great Mouse Detective.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 09:16 PM (LvTSG)

125 I saw Exorcist II recently.

Terrible, awful movie just like I remembered.

However, i now understand why.

Boorman was trying to pull the central concept into a scientific or logical realm. And, that just cannot be. And still make sense.

Demons VS Science can't be or at least can't be without religion and God. Esp. you can't dump the basic Cathoiclism of these movie.

That's basically the problem with all the "Exorcist" sequels.

Recently, saw "Exorcist II" which was a much better movie based around the idea of when Father Damien told the demon to "take me" what exactly that involved.

Too bad Blatty directed it. With a better director it might be a classic.

Also, much respect to Brad Dourif. He's the main reason the movie works as well as it does.

More and more I'm respecting Brad Dourif as an actor.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:19 PM (RJQ8g)

126 'All I want is my seventy thousand.'
-Porter

Posted by: Eromero at June 03, 2023 09:19 PM (Uv0D2)

127 Apocalypse Now is a dark comedy if you watch it right.

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:20 PM (X0I7i)

128 Recently, saw "Exorcist II" = Recently saw Exorcist III

Thx, Ac.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:20 PM (RJQ8g)

129 125 I saw Exorcist II recently.

Terrible, awful movie just like I remembered.

However, i now understand why.

Boorman was trying to pull the central concept into a scientific or logical realm. And, that just cannot be. And still make sense.

Demons VS Science can't be or at least can't be without religion and God. Esp. you can't dump the basic Cathoiclism of these movie.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:19 PM (RJQ8g)

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There's the added issue that Boorman actively disliked the original Exorcist. He saw it as no more than exploitation of a young girl for schlock exploitation. He refused to engage with it even at the most basic of levels to the point where the first half of Exorcist II just explores the same question that the first movie spent so much time answering: is the possession real?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 09:21 PM (LvTSG)

130 Apocalypse Now is a dark comedy if you watch it right.

What about Full Metal Jacket?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:21 PM (hSG9W)

131 Apocalypse Now is a dark comedy if you watch it right.
Posted by: sven


Most of what makes up reality is a dark comedy, to someone (not us).
So, what's your point?

Posted by: Barnacle Bill the sailor at June 03, 2023 09:22 PM (tjZg/)

132 We actually read Deliverance in high school Am. Lit. class.

No, I don't remember the rape scene, but I do remember the scene of the guy climbing the cliff went on for an entire chapter, inch by grueling inch.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 03, 2023 09:23 PM (X+Ku8)

133 It's the heads, isn't it. Sometimes he goes too far.

Posted by: davidt at June 03, 2023 09:23 PM (SYTee)

134 Boorman’s LotR script:

Elrond: This is the fellowship of the ring!

Frodo: Cool Cool. Say Gandalf, hows about you call those eagles and we fly to MT Doom?

Gandalf: That’s a really good fucking idea, half pint!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 03, 2023 09:23 PM (u73oe)

135 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOU COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED "THE EMERALD FOREST" AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR SPIRIT ANIMAL.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLEIBURGLER at June 03, 2023 09:24 PM (FBltX)

136 130 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:21 PM (hSG9W)

Full Metal Jacket *is* a comedy if you read the book.

131 Posted by: Barnacle Bill the sailor at June 03, 2023 09:22 PM (tjZg/)

It is a dark comedy to us if your mind is screwed on correctly.

I tend to laugh at adversity.

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:25 PM (X0I7i)

137 135 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOU COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED "THE EMERALD FOREST" AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR SPIRIT ANIMAL.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLEIBURGLER at June 03, 2023 09:24 PM (FBltX)

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My spirit animal is Greg Davies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at June 03, 2023 09:25 PM (LvTSG)

138 131 Apocalypse Now is a dark comedy if you watch it right.
Posted by: sven


Most of what makes up reality is a dark comedy, to someone (not us).
So, what's your point?
Posted by: Barnacle Bill the sailor at June 03, 2023 09:22 PM
Dark humor keeps people alive in dark situations is what I think sven meant. I think sven knows well what he speaks.

Posted by: Eromero at June 03, 2023 09:25 PM (Uv0D2)

139 Animal Mother is the Comedienne

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:25 PM (hSG9W)

140 The Exorcist III was great. It does have a sort of made for TV quality about it in terms of its production but I think it's fantastic. But for a movie directed by a guy who had only done o e other film ten years prior it's a solid effort.

You can tell it's a writer's movie. Blatty was a writer. It's all about the dialogue. After that, the cast. When you've got George C. Scott as your star I think it would have been hard to screw up. And Dourif was just nuts.

Posted by: Robert at June 03, 2023 09:26 PM (eYZMM)

141 Me and this guy I once worked with had an idea, a screenplay that was all lifted quotes from other movies.
It did not get beyond the idea stage.

Posted by: DB - at June 03, 2023 09:26 PM (geLO8)

142 No Ned, *I* am your Spirit Animal.

Posted by: River Otter at June 03, 2023 09:26 PM (SYTee)

143 I think I caused a leftist to have a mental breakdown on MSN chat.

I pointed out if Cambridge was running their mouths about any other ethnicity like they are Anglo-Saxons they would be decrying themselves as genociders.

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:26 PM (X0I7i)

144 Oh yeah I know how Rafter Man got his name. And his fate, uh well talk about being stuck between two hard places.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:27 PM (hSG9W)

145 James Dickey wrote another brutal novel along the lines of "Deliverance" titled, "To the White Sea" about an American pilot parachuting into Japan when his plane is shot down and trying to escape the country.

I'm surprised that was never made into a movie.

Very brutal though and the American is more an anti-hero style protagonist than a straight up hero.

That could be why.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:27 PM (RJQ8g)

146 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Short-Timers

Spoiler


*Joker has to kill Cowboy

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:28 PM (X0I7i)

147 Shortly before Deliverance was published, Dickey gave a reading at U of I in Champaign -- if memory serves, the climb up the cliff was one of the excerpts he read from the book. He read some of his poetry as well, which was dynamite stuff as well.

He did a great reading, and in his cameo in Deliverance (the sheriff) he looked the part.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 03, 2023 09:28 PM (a/4+U)

148 Very brutal though and the American is more an anti-hero style protagonist than a straight up hero.

And King Rat wasn't? Or Holden's character in The Bridge on the River Kwai.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:28 PM (hSG9W)

149 TMJ do open bloggers get a discount for advertising on AoS?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 03, 2023 09:29 PM (aA3+G)

150 144 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:27 PM (hSG9W)

Normal people do normal things, high stress situations by their nature are not normal.

It takes abnormal people to thrive in unnormalcy.

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:29 PM (X0I7i)

151 It takes abnormal people to thrive in unnormalcy.

So you gonna pay for that water buffalo?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:30 PM (hSG9W)

152 145 Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:27 PM (RJQ8g)

You could have made a biopic about Bruce Carr.

He borrowed an FW-190 and went home.

He belly-landed in Fwance, and was almost an American POW.

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:31 PM (X0I7i)

153 Watching the Yankees v Dodgers. Aaron Judge just made an awesome catch and managed to break the outfield fence. Crashed through the chain link fence door in right field. Great play

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 09:33 PM (mmVCq)

154 The Horror! The Horror!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 03, 2023 09:33 PM (2j28k)

155 I know this is "cinema", but I'd like to suggest if rons and ettes have not watched "Manhunt:Unabomber" to do so.

It is well done, and reminds me I did not hold DOJ in total disdain a few decades back.

Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:33 PM (X0I7i)

156 The Exorcist 3 is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 03, 2023 09:34 PM (xcxpd)

157 And King Rat wasn't?...

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:28 PM (hSG9W)



King Rat is one of my top ten movies.

Man, I just love that movie. George Segal was definitely underrated as an actor. It's like he was born for that role.

He was also great in "No way to Treat a Lady' and even the very disrespected "Terminal Man'.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 03, 2023 09:34 PM (RJQ8g)

158 155 I know this is "cinema", but I'd like to suggest if rons and ettes have not watched "Manhunt:Unabomber" to do so.

It is well done, and reminds me I did not hold DOJ in total disdain a few decades back.
Posted by: sven at June 03, 2023 09:33 PM (X0I7i)

I strongly suspect my opinion of Ted Kaczynski has improved since then. And the DOJ only caught him because Ted's brother narced on him, yes?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 03, 2023 09:35 PM (xcxpd)

159 In one of my books, they had doped out the basic controls for the FW 190 just in case they ever got the chance to escape in one.

But yeah Bruce Carr did it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:35 PM (hSG9W)

160 Crashed through the chain link fence door in right field. Great play
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 03, 2023 09:33 PM (mmVCq)

Passé…

Posted by: Jim Schoenfeld and Wayne Cashman at June 03, 2023 09:36 PM (CCSxw)

161 149 TMJ do open bloggers get a discount for advertising on AoS?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 03, 2023 09:29 PM (aA3+G)

Here, have some tequila to go with that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy Ammo, food, water at June 03, 2023 09:36 PM (xcxpd)

162 >I strongly suspect my opinion of Ted Kaczynski has improved since then. And the DOJ only caught him because Ted's brother narced on him, yes?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


yes, supposedly the brother recognized Ted's writing and speaking style in one of the manifestos

Posted by: DB - at June 03, 2023 09:36 PM (geLO8)

163
Deliverance:

I've paddled, and camped along the Chattooga. It's not *too* challenging, not sure that there is anymore than class 4 rapids. It's been a very long time. I still have the boat, a Blue Hole, a real beat-up veteran of many SE rivers.

Notable sites: 'Drew's Rock, where, in the movie, they weighted and sank Drew's body.

I did experience a tragic accident along the way. But, before you pervs ask, there was no squealing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 03, 2023 09:37 PM (uanMf)

164 Nood.

Posted by: Lavrenti Beria at June 03, 2023 09:37 PM (jFwVK)

165 'any more'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 03, 2023 09:38 PM (uanMf)

166 Wait

The NKVD is calling Neu?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 03, 2023 09:38 PM (hSG9W)

167 81 Not possible to take enough acid to enjoy Zardoz.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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Au contraire. Varsity Theater, Palo Alto, 1975.

Damn! Of the 6 of us that went, Bob and I are the only ones left. Feelin' old.

Posted by: buddhaha at June 03, 2023 09:59 PM (SnG2Q)

168 I remember seeing 'The Emerald Forest' in the theatre, at Fort Worth's Big Movie Theatre (behind the Hoffbrau Steakhouse). The imbecile previews pretty much robbed the story of the Big Reveal, but one line of the film has remained in the lexicon of friends: "Tonight, we will make the Frogs Sing like they never have before!"

Posted by: Brewingfrog at June 03, 2023 10:16 PM (Y90Az)

169 159 In one of my books, they had doped out the basic controls for the FW 190 just in case they ever got the chance to escape in one.
But yeah Bruce Carr did it.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Not really.
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Posted by: buddhaha at June 03, 2023 10:53 PM (SnG2Q)

170 I'm never going to be able to post in this thread because we only get about two hours before the next one and I'm not always in my writing starting blocks on Saturday evenings. And I always make the mistake of reading the content first....

Anyway, I'd like to pick a bone over the approach to these movie threads. They lean way too heavily on the old Cahiers du Cinema auteur theory. I realize it's a handy analytical lens for some film writers, but just because it simplifies your job doesn't make it true. Anyone who's worked in Hollywood knows it's absurd to think that directors somehow pick a theme or two and navigate their career by it like a divining rod unerringly guiding all or most of their project choices. Hollywood careers involve so many moving parts yielding countless accidents that can turn into gold or shit. Critics try to fit an entire career into a Procrustean bed of what they think the filmmaker is trying to achieve. Many of the best directors had no thematic through-line which is somehow held against them, I suppose because they frustrate the auteur theorist. But most of us just don't care, and it puzzles us why it matters so much to the critic.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at June 03, 2023 11:03 PM (1gif2)

171 I went to a test screening of In My Country, then called The Country of my Skull. John Boorman was there to get feedback. The audience advised to take out the affair with Samuel L Jackson. He ignored that advice, but did take the advice of this guy with a funny voice who suggested taking out the scene of the reporter watching his kids play soccer and to replace it with him looking at a picture in his wallet.

Posted by: MikeN at June 04, 2023 02:03 AM (XygMV)

172 I'm sorry, but "Zardoz" does NOT deserve a higher rating than "Emerald Forest", and I loved Zardoz. But I loved it for the irony inherent in the title, and because I was a stupid little teenager when I saw it. Emerald Forest, on the the other hand, was a deeply spiritual journey by comparison. Get a grip, bro.

On the other hand, you got "Ben Hur" exactly right.

Posted by: Born Free at June 04, 2023 04:17 AM (kAwuo)

173 This "auteur" stuff is frequently carried too far, especially if one forgets that movie-making is a business, that producers have their say, etc. I once read a book which discussed Sam Fuller's MERRILL'S MARAUDERS and the Deep Significance of the fact that Fuller shows the ordeal of Merrill's troops as they battle their way through Burma to reach their objective, but "refuses" to show their victory in actually capturing that objective at the film's end. This seemed plausible enough.

Then I found an interview with Fuller in which he was asked if MERRILL'S MARAUDERS had the ending he wanted for it. His answer went something like: "No, we had a big finish planned, with plenty of action. But we ran out of money."

There were also one or two things the studio didn't permit Fuller to do, such as include a scene in which American troops accidentally kill other American troops.

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