Fresh Off Its Triumph of Creating Covid-19, the NIH Tries to Top Itself by Re-Starting Bat Virus Research

And Peter Daszak of EcoHealth, who ran a disinformation campaign against America claiming the lab leak theory was a racist conspiracy theory -- because he, of course, funded the lab where covid-19 was created and escaped from -- will be receiving taxpayer money again.

Three years after then-President Donald Trump pressured the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to suspend a research grant to a U.S. group studying bat coronaviruses with partners in China, the agency has restarted the award.
The new 4-year grant is a stripped-down version of the original grant to the EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit research organization in New York City, providing $576,000 per year. That 2014 award included funding for controversial experiments that mixed parts of different bat viruses related to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), the coronavirus that sparked a global outbreak in 2002--04, and included a subaward to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The new award omits those studies, and also imposes extensive new accounting rules on EcoHealth, which drew criticism from government auditors for its bookkeeping practices.
But EcoHealth's embattled director, Peter Daszak, says his group is pleased: "Now we have the ability to finally get back to work," he [threatens].

The idea of NIH and EcoHealth "getting back to work" feels to me like Dennis Miller's thoughts about East and West Germany re-uniting: I wasn't a fan of their previous work, and I'm not sure I'll like the new stuff much better.

After NIH halted the grant in April 2020, many scientists protested the move as political interference with scientific peer review. Now, they are welcoming the grant's resumption. "It is long overdue. Unfortunately, the original cancellation reflects the ongoing partisan politics where first Trump and now many Republicans are attacking science unfairly," says Nobel Prize winner Richard Roberts of New England Biolabs. In May 2020, he helped organize a letter from 77 Nobel laureates protesting the grant's suspension.

The absolute entitlement and arrogance. They believe they have a right to extract money from us.

I guess that's why they're Democrats.

Posted by: Ace at 01:19 PM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:19 PM (9gDA7)

2 What could go wrong?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:19 PM (zZu0s)

3 I'm sure that will work out for everyone just swimmingly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:19 PM (9gDA7)

4 Tactically nuke the facility. Send it to Hell from whence it came.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:19 PM (9gDA7)

5 The reunification will be benevolent. Or not.

Posted by: scampydog at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (2bFN5)

6 "Attacking science unfairly." How about you shove that Nobel prize right up your ass.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (DRSnL)

7 At least they could have tried working with other animals. Perhaps pangolins.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (ThvdJ)

8 Still hunting for one that is 100% effective.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (FpuhH)

9 Nothing could possibly go wrong...again...right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (ynpvh)

10 >>Fresh Off Its Triumph of Creating Covid-19, the NIH Tries to Top Itself by Re-Starting Bat Virus Research

Its more of a mop up operation to reverse engineer and immanitize an animal to human missing link for COVID.

And again, paid for by our tax dollars.

As in all things...

Everything is an Op.
Everything is Bullshit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (up/3i)

11 raccoon dogs!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (Vwz3I)

12 What Jordan said.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (DcKNO)

13 Of course that asshole leaves out the fact that O-ring's administration banned GoF research, ignored by Fauzi and Co. Trump belatedly re-installed the O-ring ban.

Dishonest to the core.

Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (jzzG8)

14 "It is long overdue. Unfortunately, the original cancellation reflects the ongoing partisan politics where first Trump and now many Republicans are attacking science unfairly,"

I am always bemused in how they refer to 'Science.' It kind of remind me of:

'Where the Scientist or the Doctor is not burdened by... petty morality!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (zZu0s)

15 Then again we were told AIDS jumped from monkeys to humans.

Sounded plausible enough to me at the time. Now I wonder...

In fact, I *don't* wonder.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (Q/E9I)

16 7 At least they could have tried working with other animals. Perhaps pangolins.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (ThvdJ)

I vote for using sea kraits. Deadly poisonous. Would at least be sporting.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (ynpvh)

17 "he helped organize a letter from 77 Nobel laureates protesting the grant's suspension."

That's way more than 51. I'm sure it's legit this time.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (cupoy)

18 Defund the CDC and NIH/AID. And FBI, DOJ, Department of Education, HHS, Homeland Security, IRS, DoD....

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (uJuBh)

19 We're also in the belfry.

Posted by: Bats at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (V6T/+)

20 Trump and now many Republicans are attacking science unfairly,"

What you're doing isn't science, asshole. It's PLAYING GOD. You're creating things that do not happen naturally for no reason other than to murder people.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (9gDA7)

21 Well, the idea of a Nuremburg trial for all the bastards involved in this monstrosity was a nice dream while it lasted.

Good thing I'm an incurable pessimist.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (AW0uW)

22 This cannot stand.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (lf83v)

23 15 Then again we were told AIDS jumped from monkeys to humans.

Sounded plausible enough to me at the time. Now I wonder...

In fact, I *don't* wonder.
Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (Q/E9I)

MONKEYPOX!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (zZu0s)

24 Just in time for 2024!

Posted by: huerfano at May 09, 2023 01:23 PM (uE10U)

25 They want you dead, but they want to be able to shift the blame to a corporate entity.

Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:23 PM (UnA8+)

26 "COVID-23/24 is going to be amazeballs. Just wait!"

--Said no one ever

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:23 PM (YIVH2)

27 That's way more than 51. I'm sure it's legit this time.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (cupoy)

Does majoritarianism mean anything in discussions of right or wrong?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:23 PM (zZu0s)

28 Perhaps pangolins.
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They're good painters -- especially seascapes.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (Vwz3I)

29 Is it even possible to create fictional sci-fi works any more?

Posted by: Tonypete at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (qoGsy)

30 Prosecute
Convict
Lock away
Sue into bankruptcy

Posted by: Lizzy at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (R+djI)

31 Not getting enough mileage out of the variants anymore, I guess.

Posted by: huerfano at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (uE10U)

32 Until these criminals are stopped, they will never be stopped.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (lf83v)

33 Same 🦇 time
Same 🦇 research

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (Vwz3I)

34 26 "COVID-23/24 is going to be amazeballs. Just wait!"

--Said no one ever

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:23 PM (YIVH2)

Depends on what month it's released. Could be COVIJ, COVIF, COVIM,...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:25 PM (ynpvh)

35 29 Is it even possible to create fictional sci-fi works any more?
Posted by: Tonypete at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (qoGsy)

Only when it involves actual science.

Posted by: tubal at May 09, 2023 01:25 PM (PCK5/)

36 Oof!

Posted by: Chiron generator at May 09, 2023 01:25 PM (V6T/+)

37 So I guess Monkeypox failed?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 09, 2023 01:25 PM (R+djI)

38 Tactically nuke the facility. Send it to Hell from whence it came.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:19 PM (9gDA7)
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Would not be surprised if another nation state decided enough is enough and did it just to send a message to China, the United States, and other state actors. No more bioweapons research. Period.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:25 PM (YIVH2)

39 It's in NYC?

At least there's a chance of someone trying to get their life back together murdering the 'scientists.'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:25 PM (9gDA7)

40 33 Same 🦇 time
Same 🦇 research

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (Vwz3I)

But will it be same 🦇 country?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (ynpvh)

41 Hey, the Congressional Republicans could just zero out that funding in the budget...

Why are you laughing?

It could happen...

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (up/3i)

42 "Attacking science"

Suck my fuckin dick with this bullshit, fuck.

Posted by: ballistic at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (oXNqT)

43 Then again we were told AIDS jumped from monkeys to humans.

Sexy, sexy monkeys.

Posted by: monkeyfucker at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (ppBhU)

44 I find nothing more infuriating than their bullshit use of language.

They distill all truth down to totally false sound bytes through basic sloganeering and outright lying.

- Being against unleashing a virus on humanity is "hatred of science".

- Not wanting to breathe through cloth is "killing grandma".

I hope while they're being roasted for eternity on Satan's Spit of Rotationary Justice, they have to listen to the devil and his friends talk the entire time about how their screams and desire not to be burned forever is "anti cooking" and they're just "prejudiced against hungry moonwalking chefs".

Monsters.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (Q/E9I)

45 42 "Attacking science"

Suck my fuckin dick with this bullshit, fuck.

Posted by: ballistic at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (oXNqT)

You want a $10M grant for your research?

Posted by: NIH at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

46 Then again we were told AIDS jumped from monkeys to humans.

Sexy, sexy monkeys.
Posted by: monkeyfucker at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (ppBhU)

In Africa......Bill Gates' personal human viral experiment lab.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (9gDA7)

47 Speaking of bats, Jill St. John was in the Batman episode they played on MeTV Saturday night.

Hubba hubba.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (BNTmV)

48 Your "science" is bullshit. Deadly bullshit.
I'll attack it all I want.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (jTmQV)

49 Link to jury form in that Trump trial with the crazy writer bint:
tinyurl.com/2y6e5z9w

Look at the last question
" In making the statement, Mr. Trump acted maliciously, out of hatred, ill will, spite or wanton, reckless, or willful disregard of the rights of another?"
They will find him guilt of at least this hysterical claim.

Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (jzzG8)

50 Fast track that Bat$hit research; there is a Presidential Election next year.

Posted by: bang-a-gong at May 09, 2023 01:27 PM (SdEmG)

51 Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (Vwz3I)

I don't know whether to punch you or hug you.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:28 PM (Q/E9I)

52 Prosecute
Convict
Lock away
Sue into bankruptcy
Posted by: Lizzy

Prosecute
Execute
It's the only way.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 01:28 PM (+lnIr)

53 This is a head fake. there won't be another bat virus release. It's already developed and will be released early '24. Probably Bird Flu but could be swine flu. Maybe both just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 09, 2023 01:28 PM (qhbCT)

54 27 That's way more than 51. I'm sure it's legit this time.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 09, 2023 01:22 PM (cupoy)

Does majoritarianism mean anything in discussions of right or wrong?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:23 PM (zZu0s)

I don't even think it's majoritarianism as much as credentialism. Who are we to disagree with Nobel winning scientists?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (cupoy)

55 43 Then again we were told AIDS jumped from monkeys to humans.

Sexy, sexy monkeys.

Posted by: monkeyfucker at May 09, 2023 01:26 PM (ppBhU)

Camels and Sheep can be sexy. Just like little boys.

Posted by: Ahmed and Mohhamed at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (ynpvh)

56 END GAIN OF FUNCTION GLOBALLY.

Put to death ANYONE caught experimenting with it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (9gDA7)

57 But what about pangolins?

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (pwExq)

58 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (DRSnL)

59 If someone told me that an evil organization was trying to control the world and reduce the population I'd say ok Mr. Bond or sure Austin Powers. The WEF and the Ecohealth Alliance are actually doing it. The arrogant bastards think they can control these kind of experiments. As Goldblum said in Jurassic Park "life finds a way"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (eFaiq)

60 7 At least they could have tried working with other animals. Perhaps pangolins.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 09, 2023 01:21 PM (ThvdJ)

Or themselves.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 09, 2023 01:30 PM (bhRsz)

61 58 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?
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SCIENCE! And other peoples money.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 09, 2023 01:30 PM (DmtxH)

62 Next virus will be out of Ukraine. We can call it Uke Cranium.

Posted by: wth at May 09, 2023 01:30 PM (v0R5T)

63 There will be a national crisis next year the DemMedia will choreograph it… the masses will buy it..

Posted by: tubal at May 09, 2023 01:30 PM (PCK5/)

64 53 This is a head fake. there won't be another bat virus release. It's already developed and will be released early '24. Probably Bird Flu but could be swine flu. Maybe both just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 09, 2023 01:28 PM (qhbCT)

Flying Pig flu? Cross of bird and swine flus?

Posted by: Ahmed and Mohhamed at May 09, 2023 01:30 PM (ynpvh)

65 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?
Posted by: Jordan61
___

To kill off the most people as expediently and cheaply as possible.

Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2023 01:30 PM (00enZ)

66 The Chinese promised a virus that would kill 20 million in the US over the age of 65.
Thus curing current budget ills and so panicking the population of the US that they could effectively repeal the Constitution.

They didn't get near the deaths and the power they lusted for.
So of course they need to engineer another round.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (mygsx)

67 Off nasty sock

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (ynpvh)

68 No penguins!!

Posted by: That sign from last night's thread at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (V6T/+)

69 So where'd the monkeys get AIDS from then?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (ppBhU)

70 But what about pangolins?
Posted by: blaster

I saw Banging Pangolins open for Gain of Function at the Cow Palace in Houston in '83.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (+lnIr)

71 You're creating things that do not happen naturally for no reason other than to murder people.
--
NO NO NO this is simply UNTRUE. We are doing it to murder people AND make VAST SUMS OF MONEY.

Posted by: Fauci and Company at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (sh1GZ)

72 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?
Posted by: Jordan61

After they cook up a new virus they can then sell you the new vaccine for it. All the better if it's an mRNA "vaccine."

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (L2sng)

73 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (DRSnL)

They'll get right to that after explaining the wide open border, the Ukraine piggy bank, the spending us into oblivion, the voting "irregularities", the illegal censorship, the eternal political prisoners with no rights, and the media's 24/8/366 lying and slander.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (Q/E9I)

74 @57

>>But what about pangolins?

Pangolins were surmised as an intermediates species that allowed the virus to jump from bats to humans, the problem is that though they have searched high and low, they have not found a bat or pangolin wit hanything resembling COIVD19.

But much like OJ's search for the "Real Killer," they are going to find that asshole Pangoline.

Even if they have to conjure one out of thin air.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 09, 2023 01:32 PM (up/3i)

75 72 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?
Posted by: Jordan61

After they cook up a new virus they can then sell you the new vaccine for it. All the better if it's an mRNA "vaccine."

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at May 09, 2023 01:31 PM (L2sng)

mmmm. RNA.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:32 PM (ynpvh)

76 We have to destroy humanity in order to save it.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:32 PM (Q/E9I)

77 So where'd the monkeys get AIDS from then?
==
Some lisping monkey fcuker.

So where did the lisping monkey fcuker get it from?

Ummmmmmm

Posted by: Fauci and Company at May 09, 2023 01:33 PM (sh1GZ)

78 Bat viruses, untold and unaccounted for billions to the kleptocracy that is Ukraine, and a looming surge of illegal immigrants on an unprecedented scale. A government that hates it's own people to this degree deserves no respect, and no obedience.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 09, 2023 01:33 PM (z0DEK)

79 That's a flat tummy up there.

Posted by: wth at May 09, 2023 01:33 PM (v0R5T)

80 This is a head fake. there won't be another bat virus release. It's already developed and will be released early '24. Probably Bird Flu but could be swine flu. Maybe both just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 09, 2023 01:28 PM (qhbCT)

Flying Pig flu? Cross of bird and swine flus?
Posted by: Ahmed and Mohhamed

Bird takes off. Shits like a hog. Disease lives in pig shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 01:33 PM (+lnIr)

81 As Goldblum said in Jurassic Park "life finds a way"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (eFaiq)

You know who ELSE found a way?

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:33 PM (Q/E9I)

82 Never any consequences. Never any guilt. Never any shame.

I'm glad that justice will eventually be served, but to those who have no eternal hope, this world is a pretty bleak place.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:33 PM (N1DT3)

83 CDC deserves Louisville Slugger Upside the Head Virus, as an open source visur from the public.

Posted by: henry at May 09, 2023 01:34 PM (JMDly)

84
Speaking of bats, Jill St. John was in the Batman episode they played on MeTV Saturday night.

Hubba hubba.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

That was season one episode one.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:34 PM (63Dwl)

85 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (DRSnL)

I can remember a time when they said this research would help them should an outbreak occur. Sure - help them. We've all had a front row seat to how much B.S. that is.

These people are enthralled with the idea of playing God. In creating more lethal versions of viruses, they see themselves as creating life itself. If there ever was a concept of blasphemy today - this is it, and they should be punished brutally for it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 09, 2023 01:34 PM (N39Ws)

86 They used an NGO cutout to illegally convey US taxpayer to poorly secured laboratories for bioweapons research in hostile, third-world countries, so they could circumvent the bans on their apocalyptic fever-dreams on our home soil, and the experiment ran wild and created a global plague.

And now, instead of being jailed, they're receiving more money and being feted as heros of public health.

The corruption in this country is total.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 01:35 PM (oINRc)

87 It was the racoon dog served up at the WH correspondent's dinner last year that got this latest round of gain-of-function research.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 09, 2023 01:35 PM (z0DEK)

88 82 Never any consequences. Never any guilt. Never any shame.

So true. If by "Never any consequences" you mean bad consequences for them. The grift is just a bonus.

Posted by: Iris at May 09, 2023 01:35 PM (NaH5I)

89 So this is why the WHO officially (finally) declared COVID over?

Posted by: TexasDan at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (dbbzT)

90
In May 2020, he helped organize a letter from 77 Nobel laureates protesting the grant's suspension.

Go fuck yourselves, you bloodsucking parasites. Paddle your own canoes, if you dare.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (pNxlR)

91
No penguins!!
Posted by: That sign from last night's thread

Pengulins

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (63Dwl)

92 58 I would like just one of these nickelfuckers to explain to me what the purpose of this research is. What possible reason could there be for needing to experiment with mixing bat viruses?
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (DRSnL)

Mass Global Depopulation.

You see, you're too comfortable. You have a roof over your head, you have air conditioning, you have electricity, you have a car, you eat meat.

You'll never come begging to be their servant for some of their table scraps.

They need a small population that consists ONLY of them and of their servant/slave class.

Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (UnA8+)

93 I have so many questions now . . .

How many drinks you gotta give a monkey before it's in the mood?

Who, in all seriousness, would have sex with a monkey and forego the condom? "Eh, monkey seems clean enough to me."

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (ppBhU)

94 OK, I mean *we* know why they're doing these experiments, but I'd be really interested to know what their actual stated reasoning is.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (DRSnL)

95 I can remember a time when they said this research would help them should an outbreak occur. Sure - help them. We've all had a front row seat to how much B.S. that is.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 09, 2023 01:34 PM (N39Ws)

Come to think of it, it did help them. They had the vaccine patents ready to go.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:37 PM (Q/E9I)

96 OK, I mean *we* know why they're doing these experiments, but I'd be really interested to know what their actual stated reasoning is.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (DRSnL)

They claim creating it is the only way to cure it.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:37 PM (Q/E9I)

97 After NIH halted the grant in April 2020, many scientists protested the move as political interference with scientific peer review.
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It sure as hell was, as is this. There is no such thing as taxpayer money *without* political strings and interference. Free, unencumbered money from a government does not exist. Not here, not anywhere. This is one of many, many reasons that the government should not be involved in scientific research at all in the first place.

Barring that, you have to come to terms with the fact that the conditions of your grant can - and will - change at a moment's notice and that it will always be related to political expedience.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:37 PM (O4oKn)

98 @77 I saw Lisping Monkey Fuckers open for the Butthole Surfers at the Roseland in 89

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:37 PM (eFaiq)

99 Batman...da da da da da da da da...da da da da da da

Posted by: Fuqing Peter Daszak at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (CCSxw)

100 Oliver Cromwell and Charlotte Corday. We need the likes of them both.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (z0DEK)

101 The arrogant bastards think they can control these kind of experiments. As Goldblum said in Jurassic Park "life finds a way"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM (eFaiq)

In this case, it's more "death" rather than life, though.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (N1DT3)

102 A monkeypox on all their houses.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (zHuJr)

103 CDC or a cooking show: 🦇 💩 Science.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (Vwz3I)

104 Richard Roberts is a Brit, so he can just fuck right off.

If he wants to get government to fund bio-weapons research, he should ask his own...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (ZCCyW)

105 "It is long overdue. Unfortunately, the original cancellation reflects the ongoing partisan politics where first Trump and now many Republicans are attacking science unfairly," says Nobel Prize winner Richard Roberts of New England Biolabs.
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I AM SCIENCE!
-- Yet another dickhead

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:39 PM (O4oKn)

106
They used an NGO cutout to illegally convey US taxpayer to poorly secured laboratories for bioweapons research in hostile, third-world countries, so they could circumvent the bans on their apocalyptic fever-dreams on our home soil...

This is called "sneakily ceding the moral high ground on bioweapons research". It's yet another form of NIMBY, but it enables the Big Brain moral preeners to strut and crow that, "We do not cotton to that sort of thing, here!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 09, 2023 01:39 PM (pNxlR)

107 They used an NGO cutout to illegally convey US taxpayer to poorly secured laboratories for bioweapons research in hostile, third-world countries, so they could circumvent the bans on their apocalyptic fever-dreams on our home soil, and the experiment ran wild and created a global plague.
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And totes coincidence that it just happened while Trump was enjoying record employment results, kicking the shit out of China on trade issues, and gearing up for a re election run.

There are no coincidences. The "government" is a puppet show. The elites run the world and divide the spoils. And the American Middle class, put its foot down and told them NO with Trump. The elites now want us eliminated and covid and "immigration" are the means to that end.

Posted by: Fauci and Company at May 09, 2023 01:39 PM (sh1GZ)

108
Pengulins
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (63Dwl)

We don't know... sounds like tofurkey.

Posted by: The Leopard Seals at May 09, 2023 01:39 PM (cupoy)

109 Nat Sec State has realized we have zero or insufficient superiority in submarine warfare.

The next frontier for Full Spectrum Dominance (translation: unanswerable decap strike) is biologic.

Appears they will re-build USD reserve currency and UST reserve asset status on the biolabs.

Well, they intend to try and prob have been doing so for decades.

Puts Covid in perspective. Perhaps proof of concept attempt which did not work witness peer powers response.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:40 PM (yPbCA)

110 The idea of NIH and EcoHealth "getting back to work" feels to me like Dennis Miller's thoughts about East and West Germany re-uniting: I wasn't a fan of their previous work, and I'm not sure I'll like the new stuff much better.
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You won't. Reckless idiots playing in G-d's domain have a long, rich history of extremely negative consequences.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:40 PM (O4oKn)

111 94 OK, I mean *we* know why they're doing these experiments, but I'd be really interested to know what their actual stated reasoning is.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (DRSnL)

The official reasoning is that it'd help defend against bioweapons in the future. Thing is, bioweapons aren't the same as nukes, nukes can't fire themselves and are directable. Trying to set up MAD as a deterrent here doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:40 PM (eYoxG)

112 Link to jury form in that Trump trial with the crazy writer bint:
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Oh, I didn't realize it was a civil trial. They just keep calling it a rape trial; that's criminal.
But it's a defamation and libel trial.
That he damaged her by saying her claims he raped her were false.
Do you see how fucked up this is? She claimed he raped her, he says she is a liar, she then sues him for calling her a liar-- and only needs 50%+1 to "prove" he not only raped her but that he libeled and slandered her! Even though she made herself a public figure-- the same grounds repeatedly used to dismiss conservatives libel and slander suits!

So yeah: 100% they find 7 jurors to vote liable.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 09, 2023 01:40 PM (mygsx)

113 They used an NGO cutout to illegally convey US taxpayer to poorly secured laboratories for bioweapons research in hostile, third-world countries, so they could circumvent the bans on their apocalyptic fever-dreams on our home soil, and the experiment ran wild and created a global plague.

And now, instead of being jailed, they're receiving more money and being feted as heros of public health.

The corruption in this country is total.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 01:35 PM (oINRc)
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How long after Fauci's state funeral do you think it will take for them to erect a statue of him in Washington? I have it at five years or less.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:40 PM (O4oKn)

114 Mass Global Depopulation.

You see, you're too comfortable. You have a roof over your head, you have air conditioning, you have electricity, you have a car, you eat meat.

You'll never come begging to be their servant for some of their table scraps.

They need a small population that consists ONLY of them and of their servant/slave class.

All of this. Bill Gates reportedly has been overheard saying he was disappointed because COVID didn't do what was intended.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 09, 2023 01:41 PM (ZGrMX)

115 SCIENCE!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 09, 2023 01:42 PM (PCRkU)

116 104 Richard Roberts is a Brit, so he can just fuck right off.

If he wants to get government to fund bio-weapons research, he should ask his own...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (ZCCyW)

The City of London our eternal enemy.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:42 PM (yPbCA)

117 Someone told Klaus Schwab "Real Men Kill", and he said "Fine, then. I'll kill Billions of people."

Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:42 PM (UnA8+)

118 The argument for developing these nightmarish chimeras, by the lights of Western useful idiots, anyway, is simple:

"IF WE DON'T RELEASE THE NEXT PLAGUE, SOMEONE ELSE WILL! Don't forget to vote for or against our radical, extinction-event agenda. And donate to it.

Our innocuously monikered health organization pledges a 5X MATCH for every quatloo you give to destroy this cursed earth of ours."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 01:43 PM (oINRc)

119 They used an NGO cutout to illegally convey US taxpayer to poorly secured laboratories for bioweapons research in hostile, third-world countries, so they could circumvent the bans on their apocalyptic fever-dreams on our home soil, and the experiment ran wild and created a global plague. ...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 01:35 PM (oINRc)
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What's particularly amusing - darkly amusing - about that is that it was the second attempt. The same people - EcoHealth and its buddies - tried to get funding before getting it from the NIH. They went to DARPA. Same proposal, same project. DARPA smacked it down, hard. Reading the rejection letter was like reading a professor's commentary on a paper handed in by an ambitious but quite stupid freshman who was thoroughly convinced of his own brilliance.

They took it in stride, though. They went and got the money from NIH. But DARPA is known to often take pretty serious risks - and this was *way* too reckless for DARPA to consider. Not so for the NIH.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:43 PM (O4oKn)

120 Little Known Muldoon Factoid #988. Did you know that virologist, virtuous and virility all come from the same root word, the Latin virae, which means "worldly" or "worthy"?

Case in point one Dr. Anthony Fauci, a virile virtuous virologist.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2023 01:43 PM (ykeLU)

121 Raise your hand if you ever had faith that they really were gonna try and fast track a genuine vaccine instead of what they did do. That we still had a system where on the most basic of things, we had people that were on the page of actually saving people from bad shit, even if only for the sake of the cursed "profit motive".

Cynical as I was, I didn't cotton on until they announced that even after you took the new "vaccine", you were to continue to distance, mask and hide yourself away without any timeframe of reprieve (like it will be four weeks until the vaccine takes, effect then you can resume your life) .

That was when I knew we were fucked beyond even what I had previously imagined. Which is something.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:44 PM (Q/E9I)

122 if I didn't know better

I'd say the Federal government was outta control

Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (us2H3)

123
They took it in stride, though. They went and got the money from NIH. But DARPA is known to often take pretty serious risks - and this was *way* too reckless for DARPA to consider. Not so for the NIH.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:43 PM (O4oKn)

From a military perspective bioweapons make little sense. You can't control when it's fired, you can't control who it's fired at, you can't control how much damage it does.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eYoxG)

124 Does MULDOON use the "w" or "v" pronunciation for latin words?

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (yPbCA)

125 Nobel laureate Richard Roberts says capitalism and health care do not mix

Asia should steer clear of the US funding model for health care, Nobel Prize winning scientist Richard Roberts tells Richard Lord

Posted by: SMOD at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (RHGPo)

126
The official reasoning is that it'd help defend against bioweapons in the future.

The arrogance in that mindset beggars belief. As mutations are, by and large, random, how is it that any a priori non-random mutation that you ass clowns make will be relevant in any way should Nature decide to play nasty?

Or is it that you intend to run directed experiments to maximize nasty?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (pNxlR)

127 Saw a movie in early nineties called Doomsday. It was about a deadly virus that broke out first in Scotland, which was quarantined then in London. Dopey and gruesome, kind of fun, but the best thing about it was Rhona Mitra. That movie reminds me of today's goings on

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eFaiq)

128 If someone owns a warehouse that stores explosive material, and even through carelessness, that material caused deaths, the owner would be jailed, fined, and if exceed released probably barred from ever having an explosives storage company again.

But "scientist" can create a deadly disease, through carelessness or negligence, let it escape, had it kill tens of millions of people, and the government goes "good job, here's some money. "

They didn't even do the bullshit, all for show, mea culpa of letting the person in charge retire out of shame. It's all the same assholes.

Hopefully President DeSantis doesn't just strip their funding, but actually investigates and fines each person individually for all their worth, tosses them in prison, and injects them with various diseases to see if they can cure themselves of it.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (P7/+k)

129 91
No penguins!!
Posted by: That sign from last night's thread

Pengulins

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (63Dwl)

https://is.gd/1DQdHr

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (ynpvh)

130 The arrogance in that mindset beggars belief.

They can't even make a flu shot that reliably works.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (ppBhU)

131 They need a small population that consists ONLY of them and of their servant/slave class.
Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (UnA8+)
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No, there is another class in their vision. There is the well-paid, largely free class of engineers and technicians to keep all of their automation and AI running. A small crust of plutocrats who own most of the wealth, a layer of technicians who are well-kept and who in turn keep the wheels turning, and an impoverished underclass renting their lives from the plutocrats.

If they achieve their vision, it will not end well for the plutocrats. That second layer of technicians and engineers are going to present one hell of a March Count problem and like the March Counts before them, some will eventually decide that it's time for the King to kiss *their* rings rather than the other way around.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (O4oKn)

132 It's the Rapey trial that's not a Rape trial but will be a Rape verdict

Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (zXSzS)

133 And in the nick of time for the 2024 elections. Whew, that was close.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe registration now open! at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (pTb/Z)

134 Apparently they did not get the results they hoped they would the first time around.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 09, 2023 01:47 PM (ncXxy)

135 They want a Dystopia which they can observe from on high from their Olympus… for their greater good. Don’t doubt it.

Posted by: tubal at May 09, 2023 01:47 PM (PCK5/)

136 96 OK, I mean *we* know why they're doing these experiments, but I'd be really interested to know what their actual stated reasoning is.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (DRSnL)

They claim creating it is the only way to cure it.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:37 PM (Q/E9I)

Like Nancy Pelosi said, except they have to create it to find out what's in it...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:47 PM (ynpvh)

137 They went to DARPA. Same proposal, same project. DARPA smacked it down, hard. Reading the rejection letter was like reading a professor's commentary on a paper handed in by an ambitious but quite stupid freshman who was thoroughly convinced of his own brilliance.
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DARPA did a risk management review on it and rated it as low and unlikely. They noted that there were already drugs available to mitigate the risk; Ivermectin. The last part tells you all you need to know about NIH/AID. They are the step n' fetches for Pfizer.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 09, 2023 01:47 PM (MbgKo)

138 My wife was just diagnosed with pernicious anemia. She's been dealing with fibromyalgia for years. Now this autoimmune disease. She is bummed.

Posted by: Archer at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (gmo/4)

139 Case in point one Dr. Anthony Fauci, a virile virtuous virologist.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2023 01:43 PM (ykeLU)
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You forgot to type the prefix "un" in front of all those words. Or maybe your autocorrect feature is a Fauci fan.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe registration now open! at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (pTb/Z)

140 I'd say the Federal government was outta control
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Worse, its a sham. A ruse. A hustle. It doesn't do what you think it does. It is a mechanism to pump money out of the future and into the present, and then distribute it according to the whims of the elites. When that well runs dry, this country ceases to exist.

Posted by: We're from the government and we're to help. at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (sh1GZ)

141 137 They went to DARPA. Same proposal, same project. DARPA smacked it down, hard. Reading the rejection letter was like reading a professor's commentary on a paper handed in by an ambitious but quite stupid freshman who was thoroughly convinced of his own brilliance.
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DARPA did a risk management review on it and rated it as low and unlikely. They noted that there were already drugs available to mitigate the risk; Ivermectin. The last part tells you all you need to know about NIH/AID. They are the step n' fetches for Pfizer.
Posted by: Puddinhead at May 09, 2023 01:47 PM (MbgKo)

"Regulatory capture"(the industry being regulated running the regulators) is pretty much the most common way for things to end up.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (eYoxG)

142

With Tucker Carlson no longer in the time slot, “blue-chip” advertisers are reportedly returning, even if the viewers are not — the replacement program “Fox News Tonight” is reportedly getting a third of the audience Carlson drew.

“Since Carlson’s stunning exit last month, a timeslot that has been shunned by many Madison Avenue stalwarts seems as if it is being embraced. Procter & Gamble, one of the nation’s largest and most influential advertisers, has been running ads in ‘Fox News Tonight,’ the network’s new 8 p.m. program, for female-skewing products like Venus razor blades by Gillette and Secret underarm deodorant,” Variety reported. “Also showing up in commercial breaks: Novo Nordisk’s trendy medication Ozempic, and Scotts Miracle-Gro.”

The development is the latest example of how cowardly corporate America can be in the face of pressure from the radical left.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (63Dwl)

143 131 No, there is another class in their vision. There is the well-paid, largely free class of engineers and technicians to keep all of their automation and AI running. A small crust of plutocrats who own most of the wealth, a layer of technicians who are well-kept and who in turn keep the wheels turning, and an impoverished underclass renting their lives from the plutocrats.

If they achieve their vision, it will not end well for the plutocrats. That second layer of technicians and engineers are going to present one hell of a March Count problem and like the March Counts before them, some will eventually decide that it's time for the King to kiss *their* rings rather than the other way around.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (O4oKn)

Possibly, but in that case, I think the plutocrats may keep around a Barbarian/Enforcer class (the Cartels/MS-13, or Islamic Jihadists) just to keep the Engineers in line.

Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (UnA8+)

144 Let's create some new, deadlier weaponized virus so that when A.I. decides that humanity is an infestation, it can exterminate the pesky parasite like it was flicking a flea off of its balls.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (KVGVf)

145 From a military perspective bioweapons make little sense. You can't control when it's fired, you can't control who it's fired at, you can't control how much damage it does.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eYoxG)
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The stated goal wasn't bioweapons. I also don't think the real goal was bioweapons. I think the stated goal - that they wanted to harvest large quantities of novel coronaviruses from bat caves in China and then perform GoF to build a large basis for vaccine development against SARS and other SARS-like illnesses such as MERS - was the actual goal.

It was just reckless and was way too likely to blow up in their - and our - faces. The arrogance of EcoHealth and its partners blinded them to the risks. "It isn't *too* risky, 'cause we're really smart and careful and masters of the universe and so are our brilliant Chinese counterparts." I very much think that it was hubris, not a plan to make bioweapons. Coronaviruses would make lousy bioweapons anyway. Too contagious and impossible to control - as we have seen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (O4oKn)

146 I suppose, on some future date, someone on their death bed will reveal that none of the "elites" ever got the Covid vaccination, including Chelsea's brood.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (6nNbw)

147
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Posted by: Kristin Martinez at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (tzFw+)

148 The development is the latest example of how cowardly corporate America can be in the face of pressure from the radical left.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (63Dwl)

Advertising is payola and moneylaundering.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (yPbCA)

149 "Regulatory capture"(the industry being regulated running the regulators) is pretty much the most common way for things to end up.
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Just another work for cucking your own people.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (MbgKo)

150 108
Pengulins
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (63Dwl)

We don't know... sounds like tofurkey.

Posted by: The Leopard Seals at May 09, 2023 01:39 PM (cupoy)

https://tinyurl.com/4b9r7we5

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:50 PM (ynpvh)

151 Saw a movie in early nineties called Doomsday. It was about a deadly virus that broke out first in Scotland, which was quarantined then in London. Dopey and gruesome, kind of fun, but the best thing about it was Rhona Mitra. That movie reminds me of today's goings on
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eFaiq)
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The same Rhona Mitra who starred in TNT's "The Last Ship?" Where a virus escaped a lab and killed around 80% of the world's population? (She was a virologist trying to create a vaccine, not the perpetrator.) Apparently, she's now typecast...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:50 PM (YIVH2)

152 Possibly, but in that case, I think the plutocrats may keep around a Barbarian/Enforcer class (the Cartels/MS-13, or Islamic Jihadists) just to keep the Engineers in line.
Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (UnA8+)
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They can try. This has never, not even once, worked to contain an aristocratic sub-class with tremendous ambition and on which the crown depends.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (O4oKn)

153 The same Rhona Mitra who starred in TNT's "The Last Ship?" Where a virus escaped a lab and killed around 80% of the world's population? (She was a virologist trying to create a vaccine, not the perpetrator.) Apparently, she's now typecast...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:50 PM (YIVH2)
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She can play Fauci in "COVID-19: The Movie." Unless she's too tall.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe registration now open! at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (pTb/Z)

154 Well I'd say the commiecrats are killing off more of their supporters then general population but they are fine with that since they have systems in place to turn in ballots for dead people. In fact they go from maybe 60% voted for them to 100% of those who die, except in the handful of states that actually purge voter rolls based death certificates.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (3cGpq)

155 The stated goal wasn't bioweapons. I also don't think the real goal was bioweapons. I think the stated goal - that they wanted to harvest large quantities of novel coronaviruses from bat caves in China and then perform GoF to build a large basis for vaccine development against SARS and other SARS-like illnesses such as MERS - was the actual goal.

It was just reckless and was way too likely to blow up in their - and our - faces. The arrogance of EcoHealth and its partners blinded them to the risks. "It isn't *too* risky, 'cause we're really smart and careful and masters of the universe and so are our brilliant Chinese counterparts." I very much think that it was hubris, not a plan to make bioweapons. Coronaviruses would make lousy bioweapons anyway. Too contagious and impossible to control - as we have seen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (O4oKn)

They're creating new variants on diseases to understand the process. The supposed benefit of this understanding really only applies to artificially created diseases, not natural mutation. So creating a bioweapon to be prepared to handle bioweapons is the core logic.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (eYoxG)

156 It's a good thing that Mitch McConnell was able to pass a bipartisan government funding bill before the icky people of the extremist wing of the GOP could exercise majority control of the House.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (gf7Ez)

157 I suppose, on some future date, someone on their death bed will reveal that none of the "elites" ever got the Covid vaccination, including Chelsea's brood.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (6nNbw)

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Did the Pfizer CEO ever get jabbed? Several months in he admitted he had not yet. Half of the CDC had not been vaccinated at one point that I recall.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (HZSuY)

158 oo contagious and impossible to control - as we have seen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (O4oKn)

Nah. It is the Yasen and Borei etc etc subs carrying Khinzals and onyxes etc etc.

The math is pretty straightforward and apparent 20yrs ago.

They needed a new tech.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (yPbCA)

159 From a military perspective bioweapons make little sense. You can't control when it's fired, you can't control who it's fired at, you can't control how much damage it does.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eYoxG)

Unless you run a giant worldwide experiment on a virus that does relatively innocuous damage but still creates a crisis, then collect as much data on DNA of the infected as possible, monitor behaviors, roll out some "cures" in control-based trials that allows one to see who can be "cured" (if anyone) and who can be made more susceptible, then engineer your next viruses with the targeted knowledge now well in hand.

Or maybe nah bro.

Posted by: ... at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (ErQaS)

160 Coronaviruses would make lousy bioweapons anyway. Too contagious and impossible to control - as we have seen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (O4oKn)
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Depends on your goals...Extremely contagious? check, though there's a large contingent of the population naturally immune. Unless it's been modified to get around said immunity and boost lethality. Then the world (if that's your target) has a real problem.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (YIVH2)

161 The way we handle mutation prediction for vaccines ordinarily is by computer modeling off of natural observations. Splicing together things ends up with something pretty unnatural.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (eYoxG)

162 Advertising is payola and moneylaundering.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (yPbCA)

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Also the reason for the pretense of elections. Lots and lots of money to be had and moved around.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (6nNbw)

163 124 Does MULDOON use the "w" or "v" pronunciation for latin words?

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (yPbCA)

Weenie, Weedie, weecie?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (ynpvh)

164 The arrogance in that mindset beggars belief. As mutations are, by and large, random, how is it that any a priori non-random mutation that you ass clowns make will be relevant in any way should Nature decide to play nasty?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (pNxlR)

The incredible conceit is that they think that everything they do, no matter how obviously dangerous, can be justified by the magic words, "scientific research."

Mengele was curious. And The Japanese Unit 731 people were curious too!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2023 01:53 PM (ZCCyW)

165 Not getting the vaxxes.
Not taking the poop pill.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 01:53 PM (1Btyh)

166 Saw a movie in early nineties called Doomsday. It was about a deadly virus that broke out first in Scotland, which was quarantined then in London. Dopey and gruesome, kind of fun, but the best thing about it was Rhona Mitra. That movie reminds me of today's goings on
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eFaiq)

Loved that movie, and it came out in 2008. Last part of it became a gratuitous Bentley Continental GT advertisement.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 09, 2023 01:53 PM (OgrpQ)

167 Awesome, now they can get back to work on the SARS19-HIV-H5N1 planet killer.

Good thing too, because they were running out of time on the Deagel timeline.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 09, 2023 01:53 PM (MkuC5)

168 Weenie, Weedie, weecie?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 01:52 PM (ynpvh)

It's a most contentious topic.

I opt for "vee" because I avoid doing silly things.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (yPbCA)

169 Bio-weapons are a doomsday weapon. Uncontrollable because the best ones mutate rapidly and unpredictably.

Posted by: Archer at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (gmo/4)

170 146 I suppose, on some future date, someone on their death bed will reveal that none of the "elites" ever got the Covid vaccination, including Chelsea's brood.
Posted by: washrivergal
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Chelsea can't win as many Lifetime Achievement Awards if she's dead.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (gf7Ez)

171
Willowed but not far off topic:

African countries didn't need COVID help because they really weren't effected by the pandemic as the other continents were. Coincidence or accurate cause and effect that a large percentage of the population were on ivermectin and HCQ?

Posted by: polynikes at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM

Early in the pandemic I was researching zinc as a preventative to viral infection and came across a site pushing for replacement of zinc in soil. It had a world map of where zinc is naturally found in soil measurements. Africa was high, really high.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (enJYY)

172 one hell of a March Count problem and like the March Counts before them, some will eventually decide that it's time for the King to kiss *their* rings rather than the other way around.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (O4oKn)

Possibly, but in that case, I think the plutocrats may keep around a Barbarian/Enforcer class (the Cartels/MS-13, or Islamic Jihadists) just to keep the Engineers in line.
===
Demolition Man explained this in a much more entertaining way.

Posted by: I'm just sayin at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (sh1GZ)

173 Did the Pfizer CEO ever get jabbed? Several months in he admitted he had not yet. Half of the CDC had not been vaccinated at one point that I recall.
Posted by: TexasDan

Are you crazy? They weren't ingesting that shit. They don't know what it does.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (+lnIr)

174 They can try. This has never, not even once, worked to contain an aristocratic sub-class with tremendous ambition and on which the crown depends.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (O4oKn)
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Look, just because it's never worked before, doesn't mean it can't work now....

Posted by: The Left describing ANY of their ideas at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (YIVH2)

175 Blow it out your ass, Kristin.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (DRSnL)

176 Governments don't give a single fuck about the health of a citizen. They care about power. Whether it's tax policy, social policy, or health policy, or any policy - it's never developed without an eye toward weaponization against the government's real or perceived enemies. It's the only mindset they have.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (oINRc)

177 maybe now Tom Hanks will drop his broadly ordered boycott of FOX

why you never see the big stars on Fox News

Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (us2H3)

178 The White Plague
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Plague

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (Vwz3I)

179 Demolition Man explained this in a much more entertaining way.
Posted by: I'm just sayin at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (sh1GZ)

As did Buckaroo Banzai

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (yPbCA)

180
Loved that movie, and it came out in 2008. Last part of it became a gratuitous Bentley Continental GT advertisement.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 09, 2023 01:53 PM (OgrpQ)

It was a weird mashup of 28 Days Later and Road Warrior.

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (pwExq)

181 152 Possibly, but in that case, I think the plutocrats may keep around a Barbarian/Enforcer class (the Cartels/MS-13, or Islamic Jihadists) just to keep the Engineers in line.
Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:49 PM (UnA8+)
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They can try. This has never, not even once, worked to contain an aristocratic sub-class with tremendous ambition and on which the crown depends.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (O4oKn)

The Janissaries and Mamelukes didn't work out great in practice after a while.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (eYoxG)

182 77 Nobel Laureates > 51 Intelligence Community analysts

Posted by: Grammar Nazis Local 250 at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (EZebt)

183 175 Blow it out your ass, Kristin.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (DRSnL)

someone is on a tear today

LOL

Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (us2H3)

184 They're creating new variants on diseases to understand the process. The supposed benefit of this understanding really only applies to artificially created diseases, not natural mutation. So creating a bioweapon to be prepared to handle bioweapons is the core logic.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (eYoxG)
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I don't really think so. Not that such activity doesn't occur, I just don't think it's this. Their goal was to create a generic vaccine that would work against lots of SARS-like viruses at once by figuring out the main mechanisms and then figuring out how to block them. This makes some amount of logical sense - except that it is completely reckless and insane.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (O4oKn)

185 173 Did the Pfizer CEO ever get jabbed? Several months in he admitted he had not yet. Half of the CDC had not been vaccinated at one point that I recall.
Posted by: TexasDan

Are you crazy? They weren't ingesting that shit. They don't know what it does.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (+lnIr)

I am betting congressional compliance was down in the single digits.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (zZu0s)

186 /achtung!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (EZebt)

187 So true. If by "Never any consequences" you mean bad consequences for them. The grift is just a bonus.
Posted by: Iris at May 09, 2023 01:35 PM (NaH5I)

Thank you for the laugh. As cynical as I am, there's always someone able to one-up me.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (N1DT3)

188 My wife was just diagnosed with pernicious anemia. She's been dealing with fibromyalgia for years. Now this autoimmune disease. She is bummed.

Posted by: Archer at May 09, 2023 01:48 PM (gmo/4)

Prayers for her.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (DRSnL)

189 Blow it out your ass, Kristin.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:55 PM (DRSnL)

JORDAN61 JOHNSON IS RIGHT!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (AW0uW)

190 Early in the pandemic I was researching zinc as a preventative to viral infection and came across a site pushing for replacement of zinc in soil. It had a world map of where zinc is naturally found in soil measurements. Africa was high, really high.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 01:54 PM (enJYY)
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Replacing the zinc with what?

Why take an important human nutrient, which boosts the immune system, out of the natural ecology?

Unless they had something sinister in mind...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (YIVH2)

191 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51 Intelligence Community analysts

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (Vwz3I)

192 Strange feeling… just hanging around, waiting for the other shoe to drop… happens more and more lately.. there’s always another shoe.

Posted by: tubal at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (PCK5/)

193 Yes, EcoHealth has been conducting research on bat coronaviruses. This research was and is done to find ways to better protect humans from coronaviruses. The highly infectious and deadly coronavirus outbreak in FookYu city near the EcoHealth main research lab absolutely, totally, completely, and unquestionably originated in bats from Wunhunglo Province sold in a wet market in FookYu city. My word as an expert.

Posted by: Peter Daszak, in about 9 months at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (AMIL/)

194 And in the nick of time for the 2024 elections. Whew, that was close.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe registration now open! at May 09, 2023 01:46 PM (pTb/Z)

*nods head and sits down next to bluebell*
Let's wear matching tin foil hats to the NoVaMoMe!

Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (0dJLW)

195 They need a small population that consists ONLY of them and of their servant/slave class.
Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 01:36 PM (UnA8+)

There are several distopian novels about sudden world-wide depopulation and the consequences of that.

These fools see nothing but upsides.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (N1DT3)

196 10% for the "Big Guy"?

Posted by: BignJames at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (AwYPR)

197 "Strange feeling… just hanging around, waiting for the other shoe to drop… happens more and more lately.. there’s always another shoe."

This is my feeling as well, can't really get on with things because I'm waiting for the next big hit.

Posted by: DaveX64 - AWFLs smell like dryer sheets at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (3FcG9)

198 They can try. This has never, not even once, worked to contain an aristocratic sub-class with tremendous ambition and on which the crown depends.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:51 PM (O4oKn)

The Janissaries and Mamelukes didn't work out great in practice after a while.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (eYoxG)

One could argue that the very late Roman and Byzantine era were like that. The very late roman period saw a lot of mercs employed. At least in the early Byzantine era, this continued. My knowledge of the entirety of the Byzantine era is sketchy, so I am not sure if it got worse or better.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (zZu0s)

199 African countries didn't need COVID help because they really weren't effected by the pandemic as the other continents were. Coincidence or accurate cause and effect that a large percentage of the population were on ivermectin and HCQ?
Posted by: polynikes at May 09, 2023 01:29 PM
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It's a multi-variable problem. There's something else Africa has going for it: high temperature and a young population. Demographics could also be an explanation, and are probably a factor. Young people don't really get COVID, at least not severely.

But the Ivermectin, as we have learned from the studies in South America, only helped.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (O4oKn)

200 someone is on a tear today

LOL
Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (us2H3)

Heh. Yeah, I'm in a mood. Quit smoking, AGAIN.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (DRSnL)

201 Afternoon.

Business Insider: RIP Metaverse

https://tinyurl.com/68paazxb

It's a fun read. Zuck basically re-invented freakin' Second Life and that's been around for 20 years.

Posted by: Robert at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (dBGfR)

202 The goal of these people doing viral research is to find something highly contagious and extremely lethal but also burns itself out in relatively short order.

Our betters have stated they think 500 million people is the perfect population for the earth and what better way to make it happen than some sort of biological agent?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (2YtOq)

203 Let's wear matching tin foil hats to the NoVaMoMe!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (0dJLW)

Tin foil is SO hard to find, but the aluminum foil doesn't really work as well.

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (pwExq)

204 Batman...da da da da da da da da...da da da da da da
Posted by: Fuqing Peter Daszak at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (CCSxw)

It's "Na", not "Da"

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (N1DT3)

205 Does MULDOON use the "w" or "v" pronunciation for latin words?

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (yPbCA)

Wulwa!!

Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (0dJLW)

206 186 /achtung!
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (EZebt)

Wha?!

Posted by: Heinz Guderian at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (zZu0s)

207 I don't really think so. Not that such activity doesn't occur, I just don't think it's this. Their goal was to create a generic vaccine that would work against lots of SARS-like viruses at once by figuring out the main mechanisms and then figuring out how to block them. This makes some amount of logical sense - except that it is completely reckless and insane.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 01:56 PM (O4oKn)

Their approach would be completely asinine in that case. Infecting a bunch of short-lived mammals(like mice) would be a good way to observe natural mutation. It doesn't make sense to edit in parts of other viruses.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (eYoxG)

208 There are several dystopian novels about sudden world-wide depopulation and the consequences of that.

These fools see nothing but upsides.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (N1DT3)
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I just finished a series about that over the weekend - "Daybreak" by John Barnes.

No, it does NOT end well for humanity in the long run. Once society has collapsed back to 18th-century levels, the world cannot sustain itself and humanity is on the brink of extinction.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (YIVH2)

209 Heh. Yeah, I'm in a mood. Quit smoking, AGAIN.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (DRSnL)

On! Nicotine pouches. Or Vaping. Or both.

Posted by: Heinz Guderian at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (zZu0s)

210 191 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51 Intelligence Community analysts

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (Vwz3I)

99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (ynpvh)

211 If they achieve their vision, it will not end well for the plutocrats. That second layer of technicians and engineers are going to present one hell of a March Count problem and like the March Counts before them, some will eventually decide that it's time for the King to kiss *their* rings rather than the other way around.

Victor Davis Hanson's column JJ linked yesterday about how we're just about to the guillotine part of reenacting the French Revolution seems prescient as well.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (ZGrMX)

212 /off sock

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (zZu0s)

213 Heh. Yeah, I'm in a mood. Quit smoking, AGAIN.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (DRSnL)

yeah, I quit drinking

about 30 minutes ago

Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 02:01 PM (us2H3)

214 "Heh. Yeah, I'm in a mood. Quit smoking, AGAIN."

I quit smoking 11 years ago but the last couple of months I've been chewing nicotine gum...it definitely does something good.

Posted by: DaveX64 - AWFLs smell like dryer sheets at May 09, 2023 02:01 PM (3FcG9)

215 10,000 Maniacs > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:01 PM (pwExq)

216 210 191 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51 Intelligence Community analysts

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM (Vwz3I)

99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (ynpvh)

1001 Erotic Nights... educational film I saw long ago > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (zZu0s)

217 Their approach would be completely asinine in that case. Infecting a bunch of short-lived mammals(like mice) would be a good way to observe natural mutation. It doesn't make sense to edit in parts of other viruses.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (eYoxG)
++++
But that is much less fancy and shiny and is way less likely to win you new grants and scientific prizes and the associated junkets. Besides, they're so smart that they'll make it work brilliantly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (O4oKn)

218 127 Rhona Mitra.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 09, 2023 01:45 PM (eFaiq)
--------------
There goes my ability to focus for an hour or so.

Posted by: scampydog at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (2bFN5)

219 Jordan, you being in "a mood" is part of your charm.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (2YtOq)

220
1001 Erotic Nights... educational film I saw long ago > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (zZu0s)

99 bottles of beer on the wall...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (bs+z0)

221
Replacing the zinc with what?

Why take an important human nutrient, which boosts the immune system, out of the natural ecology?

Unless they had something sinister in mind...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 01:57 PM

Perhaps I didn't explain well enough. Every crop cycle nutrients are taken out of the soil, including zinc. The company with the world map was advocating for adding it back into the soil again. They believe it makes for healthier crops, which are more disease resistant.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (enJYY)

222 Does MULDOON use the "w" or "v" pronunciation for Latin words?
--------------
Yes.

You're velcome.

Posted by: The Muldoon 5000 at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (Vwz3I)

223 215 10,000 Maniacs > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51
Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:01 PM (pwExq)

There is something about Natalie Merchant's voice that grates on me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (zZu0s)

224 1001 Erotic Nights... educational film I saw long ago > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:02 PM (zZu0s)

"Educational"

Posted by: Robert at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (dBGfR)

225 215 10,000 Maniacs > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51 Intelligence Community analysts

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:01 PM (pwExq)

You win.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (ynpvh)

226 One could argue that the very late Roman and Byzantine era were like that. The very late roman period saw a lot of mercs employed. At least in the early Byzantine era, this continued. My knowledge of the entirety of the Byzantine era is sketchy, so I am not sure if it got worse or better.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 01:58 PM (zZu0s)

Foreign mercenaries and administrators(Jews for Europeans, Armenians for the Ottomans, Chinese in Asia) solves for the problem of getting competent help that has their status dependent on the monarch. As opposed to being the scion of some duke who might one day want to overthrow you.

Leads to other consequences, but the local aristocracy will always hate them and keep them in check in some measure.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (eYoxG)

227 On! Nicotine pouches. Or Vaping. Or both.
Posted by: Heinz Guderian at May 09, 2023 02:00 PM (zZu0s)

I should have been more clear. I'm actually quitting vaping. I'm wearing a patch, but that just smooths things out.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (DRSnL)

228 Rhona Mitre was a looker.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (2YtOq)

229 This brunette in her underwear is, to say the least, quite distressed and offended that EcoHealth is still a going concern whose principals are not in prison, let alone getting yet more taxpayer money:
https://is.gd/oNKyWn

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:04 PM (O4oKn)

230 198 Aetius, I think the Byzantines used allied/subject peoples as auxiliaries, as the Romans had done, but I don’t think that the bulk of their main forces were mercenaries until close to the end.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:04 PM (1Btyh)

231 Does MULDOON use the "w" or "v" pronunciation for latin words?

********

wiruses make you womit

Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2023 02:04 PM (ykeLU)

232 There is something about Natalie Merchant's voice that grates on me.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (zZu0s)

Could it possibly be the pretentious leftism which emanates from it?

Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2023 02:04 PM (0dJLW)

233 204 Batman...da da da da da da da da...da da da da da da
Posted by: Fuqing Peter Daszak at May 09, 2023 01:38 PM (CCSxw)

It's "Na", not "Da"

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (N1DT3)

Russian version, comrade, da?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (ynpvh)

234 Bing! Has shown me Ms Mitra's impressive diplomas just now.

Has man-jaw though.

Pretty eyes.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (yPbCA)

235 I just received this in an email from my daughter's school:

We have been made aware by students of a potential verbal threat against the school. Fairfax County Police and our Office of Safety and Security are actively investigating. We have been able to identify the student who may be responsible, and we are speaking with them as we continue our investigation. There is no security threat to the school at this time. I will share any updates as soon as I am able.

So, they are letting me know about a threat and there is no threat. Well, thanks for that. Y'all are on the ball.

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (pwExq)

236 Zuck is a dork. Meta is a geek safe-space for losers. And masturbators.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (KVGVf)

237 I should have been more clear. I'm actually quitting vaping. I'm wearing a patch, but that just smooths things out.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (DRSnL)

I HATED using patches. I tried them once... Dear God, 25 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (zZu0s)

238 Heh. Yeah, I'm in a mood. Quit smoking, AGAIN.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (DRSnL)

yeah, I quit drinking

about 30 minutes ago

Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 02:01 PM (us2H3)

Picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (OgrpQ)

239

11 Secret Herbs And Spices > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51 Intelligence Community analysts

Posted by: Col. Sanders at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (63Dwl)

240 Rhona Mitre was a looker.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (2YtOq)
++++
I'm only familiar with her saws. Never cut an angle without one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM (O4oKn)

241 I should have been more clear. I'm actually quitting vaping. I'm wearing a patch, but that just smooths things out.
Posted by: Jordan61

I "rolled my own" vape juice. Was able to step it down gradually until I transitioned to the lozenge. Then used the lozenge and Werther's hard candies until I could drop the nicotine lozenge.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:06 PM (+lnIr)

242 230 198 Aetius, I think the Byzantines used allied/subject peoples as auxiliaries, as the Romans had done, but I don’t think that the bulk of their main forces were mercenaries until close to the end.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:04 PM (1Btyh)

The Varangians were foreign mercenaries. Foreigners are useful when you're worried about loyalty to some other local powerholder getting in the way.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 02:06 PM (eYoxG)

243 228 Rhona Mitre was a looker.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (2YtOq)

The only thing I remember her in is Hollow Man.

Of course, she was pretty hot there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:06 PM (zZu0s)

244 >>Yeah, I'm in a mood. Quit smoking, AGAIN.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 01:59 PM (DRSnL)

Week 4 here. Only 1 day or so of cheating in there.

ON Pouches take the murderous edge of the craving off.

Mostly.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:06 PM (7oh2Z)

245 All the bishops had Mitre.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:07 PM (1Btyh)

246 So, they are letting me know about a threat and there is no threat. Well, thanks for that. Y'all are on the ball.
==
Hey, could be worse, you could be in the Plainview independent school district . . .

Posted by: I'm just sayin at May 09, 2023 02:07 PM (sh1GZ)

247 Perhaps I didn't explain well enough. Every crop cycle nutrients are taken out of the soil, including zinc. The company with the world map was advocating for adding it back into the soil again. They believe it makes for healthier crops, which are more disease resistant.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (enJYY)
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That makes way more sense! Yes, repeated crop planting will deplete the soils of essential nutrients (which is why crop rotation works--to give the soil a chance to replenish). Not quite as sinister.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 09, 2023 02:07 PM (YIVH2)

248 228 Rhona Mitre was a looker.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (2YtOq)

A passable resemblance to Kate Beckinsale, which is why she got cast in an Underworld movie that Beckinsale wasn't in.

Somewhere in there was some unfortunate plastic surgery.

Kate aged better or had better plastic surgeons. But then Pete Davison! Shudder.

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (pwExq)

249 Week 4 here. Only 1 day or so of cheating in there.

ON Pouches take the murderous edge of the craving off.

Mostly.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:06 PM (7oh2Z)

Try 'Punching the Ewok' a couple times a day.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (zZu0s)

250 All the bishops had Mitre.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:07 PM (1Btyh)

pope hat?

Posted by: BignJames at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (AwYPR)

251 This is fine...

@Breaking911 1m
KJP: "It's not rational, rationable. It's not reasonicable and it's not practible for Congress to be doing what they're doing."

Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (jzzG8)

252 >>This brunette in her underwear is, to say the least, quite distressed and offended that EcoHealth is still a going concern whose principals are not in prison, let alone getting yet more taxpayer money:
https://is.gd/oNKyWn

That Gap!

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (7oh2Z)

253
People always have an urge to view things through their own lens. This means they think about public policy through the lens of a normal, mentally-sound individual.

"What would *I* do better, to help the most people have the greatest opportunity to do better, too," they say.

People go about executing that value through their whole lives.

So they can't understand why public policy never seems to reflect that value.

It's because politicians and bureaucrats aren't thinking about it at all. It's only "What would *I* do better, to help my faction have the greatest opportunity to help me do better some more?"

Once you think about America from the viewpoint of a total psycho scumbag, everything makes a lot more sense.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (oINRc)

254 See this is another example of there being no opposition party.

The correct response to this crap isn't to stop funding them. The correct response is to arrest them for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (lc5cP)

255 @Breaking911
KJP: "It's not rational, rationable. It's not reasonicable and it's not practible for Congress to be doing what they're doing."
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (jzzG

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What is Congress pretending to do this time?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (O4oKn)

256 I HATED using patches. I tried them once... Dear God, 25 years ago.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

I remember when medical insurance covered them with a cheap co-pay.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:09 PM (+lnIr)

257 Zuck is a dork. Meta is a geek safe-space for losers. And masturbators.
==
Wait Wut? I thought this was the safe space for masturbators?

Posted by: King of the Castle at May 09, 2023 02:09 PM (sh1GZ)

258 I should have been more clear. I'm actually quitting vaping. I'm wearing a patch, but that just smooths things out.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (DRSnL)
---
Early preparation for Talk Like a Pirate Day?

Posted by: Axeman at May 09, 2023 02:09 PM (krQz2)

259 251 This is fine...

@Breaking911 1m
KJP: "It's not rational, rationable. It's not reasonicable and it's not practible for Congress to be doing what they're doing."

Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (jzzG

Oh, go suck on Biden's depends, KJP. You're kissing his ass already.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:09 PM (ynpvh)

260 "The new award omits those studies, and also imposes extensive new accounting rules on EcoHealth, which drew criticism from government auditors for its bookkeeping practices."

So EcoHealth basically stole some or all of the money and covered it up by cooking the books. You'd think that would absolutely disqualify them from further grants. You would be wrong.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (iFTx/)

261 242 Yes, but the Varangians were a specially-recruited foreign unit, kind of the Byzantine version of the Gurkhas.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (1Btyh)

262 1,000 Homo DJs > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51

https://youtu.be/Gez3E-yvuQw

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (Vu7A1)

263
I HATED using patches. I tried them once... Dear God, 25 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM

One of the side effects is 'vivid dreams'. Imagine the dream of being in a room filled with naked lesbians. Vividly imagined.

I gave up on the patch after that. That was just a little too real in my mind.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (enJYY)

264 Early preparation for Talk Like a Pirate Day?
Posted by: Axeman at May 09, 2023 02:09 PM (krQz2)
++++
Pro tip: Do NOT under *any* circumstances use a nicotine patch as an eye patch.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (O4oKn)

265 I think KJP is not really dumb. She's actually a genius, and a master troll. I think she is working her way to see if she can pull off authentic frontier gibberish and get the media drones to praise her for it.

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (pwExq)

266 I'm quitting because I'm going to be on a cruise ship for a week and don't want to have to deal with finding one of the two smoking sections. Plus, the Vuse pods went from $20 to $30 for a four pack.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (DRSnL)

267 Fairly sure pernicious anemia is B12 deficiency, pretty easily remedied via supplementation, not an autoimmune disorder. But I are not a doctor.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (OTzUX)

268 One of the side effects is 'vivid dreams'. Imagine the dream of being in a room filled with naked lesbians. Vividly imagined.

I gave up on the patch after that. That was just a little too real in my mind.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (enJYY)

Hmmm. *takes second look at patch*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (zZu0s)

269 So EcoHealth basically stole some or all of the money and covered it up by cooking the books. You'd think that would absolutely disqualify them from further grants. You would be wrong.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (iFTx/)
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Being part of the ruling complex is *awesome,* bro.

Posted by: Peter Daszak at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (O4oKn)

270 228 Rhona Mitre was a looker.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (2YtOq)

I love using a mitre box

Posted by: REDACTED at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (us2H3)

271 Pro tip: Do NOT under *any* circumstances use a nicotine patch as an eye patch.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (O4oKn)

I saw a SoKo dude put copenhagen in his eye to stay awake.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (yPbCA)

272 266 I'm quitting because I'm going to be on a cruise ship for a week and don't want to have to deal with finding one of the two smoking sections. Plus, the Vuse pods went from $20 to $30 for a four pack.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (DRSnL)

When you vape, every bathroom is an opportunity.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (zZu0s)

273 263
I HATED using patches. I tried them once... Dear God, 25 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:05 PM

One of the side effects is 'vivid dreams'. Imagine the dream of being in a room filled with naked lesbians. Vividly imagined.

I gave up on the patch after that. That was just a little too real in my mind.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (enJYY)

Hot lesbians or fat, ugly lesbians?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (ynpvh)

274 Benedict Cunberbatch can's say penguin.

https://tinyurl.com/2j66vwtd

Posted by: Javems at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (AmoqO)

275 >>https://youtu.be/Gez3E-yvuQw
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (Vu7A1)

Fuck Yeeeah-

I love that EP.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (7oh2Z)

276 Some people are just full of science!

Posted by: A Fauci at May 09, 2023 02:13 PM (L0Wv+)

277 It's because politicians and bureaucrats aren't thinking about it at all. It's only "What would *I* do better, to help my faction have the greatest opportunity to help me do better some more?"

Once you think about America from the viewpoint of a total psycho scumbag, everything makes a lot more sense.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 02:08 PM (oINRc)

It's the natural result of aristocratic/bureaucratic governance.

The upside to monarchy is that the monarch wants his realm to be prestigious, meaning wealthy and powerful. Using Saudi Arabia as an example, the aristocracy there(mostly relatives of the monarchy and so on) would not seek to reform their economy in any meaningful sense. The king and Crown Prince would, since they have an incentive to care about the big picture.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 09, 2023 02:13 PM (eYoxG)

278 It's because politicians and bureaucrats aren't thinking about it at all. It's only "What would *I* do better, to help my faction have the greatest opportunity to help me do better some more?"

Once you think about America from the viewpoint of a total psycho scumbag (Politician), everything makes a lot more sense.
==
Yes. Now zoom in from about 1992 forward. And change the question to "What would I do to better, to help MYSELF and get as much as I can before musical chairs comes to an end?" When the psychopaths realize that the jig is almost up, they start stealing with both hands.

Posted by: King of the Castle at May 09, 2023 02:13 PM (sh1GZ)

279 Try 'Punching the Ewok' a couple times a day.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:13 PM (+lnIr)

280 Hot lesbians or fat, ugly lesbians?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (ynpvh)

This is a good question.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:13 PM (zZu0s)

281 267 Fairly sure pernicious anemia is B12 deficiency, pretty easily remedied via supplementation, not an autoimmune disorder. But I are not a doctor.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (OTzUX)

Intertubes say so. Reminds me of the Japanese sailors and aristocrats that were dying from vitamin B deficiency. Reason? They were all eating white rice (polished the nutrients away).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:14 PM (ynpvh)

282 Fairly sure pernicious anemia is B12 deficiency, pretty easily remedied via supplementation, not an autoimmune disorder. But I are not a doctor.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (OTzUX)

All I know about it is someone on Downton Abbey thought they had it and it was a death sentence. But that was 100 years ago.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:14 PM (DRSnL)

283 276 Some people are just full of science!

Posted by: A Fauci at May 09, 2023 02:13 PM (L0Wv+)

Yes, the excretory bovine type.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (ynpvh)

284 I wonder if Ace dreams about busty lesbians.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (1Btyh)

285 I miss rice. And pastry.

I could kill an apple streusel pie right now, but the sugar rush probably would kill me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (zZu0s)

286 I saw a SoKo dude put copenhagen in his eye to stay awake.
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM (yPbCA)
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Damn. Sounds like a tough bastard.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (O4oKn)

287
Hot lesbians or fat, ugly lesbians?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM

Hot. Incredibly so. All barbies 'down there'. Incredibly vivid detail.

I can hardly handle life in boring detail. Vivid detail is just too much for me.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (enJYY)

288 You guts remember the Rockford Files where a crazy MD running a B12 IV clinic shot up Jim with the "head on a post" shot to shut him up?

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (yPbCA)

289 Daszak is a bad man. But his "non-profit" pays hims millions of taxpayer money. Mengele would approve.

Posted by: Brindle at May 09, 2023 02:16 PM (n8qLV)

290 I use these Sonder U things. Battery + pod is 15$. The pods are 4$ each, they last at least a week, and they're refillable. YMMV, but it works out cheap for me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 02:16 PM (oINRc)

291 Imagine the dream of being in a room filled with naked lesbians. Vividly imagined.

I gave up on the patch after that. That was just a little too real in my mind.
==
No Sir Galahad, you really were in the Castle Anthrax and we saved you from mortal peril.

Posted by: Fellow Knights of the Round Table at May 09, 2023 02:16 PM (sh1GZ)

292 Damn. Sounds like a tough bastard.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (O4oKn)

His superiors were kinda hardcore about stuff.

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:16 PM (yPbCA)

293 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea > 10,000 Maniacs > 99 luftbalons > 76 trombones > 77 Nobel Laureates > 51

Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (ykeLU)

294 I use these Sonder U things. Battery + pod is 15$. The pods are 4$ each, they last at least a week, and they're refillable. YMMV, but it works out cheap for me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 09, 2023 02:16 PM (oINRc)

Huh, maybe I'll look into that when I get back. If I'm still jonesing by then.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (DRSnL)

295 285 Aetius, are you diabetic?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (1Btyh)

296 His superiors were kinda hardcore about stuff.
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:16 PM (yPbCA)
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Must've been.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (O4oKn)

297 287
Hot lesbians or fat, ugly lesbians?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:12 PM

Hot. Incredibly so. All barbies 'down there'. Incredibly vivid detail.

I can hardly handle life in boring detail. Vivid detail is just too much for me.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (enJYY)

Well, better than the converse. A bunch of lesbo whales moving about like drunk walruses...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (ynpvh)

298 What is Congress pretending to do this time?
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Legislate.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (+lnIr)

299 I Voted for Trump As confessionals go this essay by Kevin Young is a doozy:

I was raised Republican, indoctrinated into the Grand Ol’ Party from a young age, and baptized into the waters of latent McCarthyism. I sipped at the fountain of Pro-Life Rallies and Reaganomics. . . .

But COVID shook him: As COVID took hold in 2020, I didn’t recognize my Christian and Conservative brother and sisters. Their callous response to the health of others shocked me. All told, I lost 19 people to COVID. All of them would be alive had Conservatives and Christians practiced “Love Thy Neighbor"

What finally caused the scales to fall from his eyes was the murder of George Floyd: George Floyd’s story wrecked me, and it wrecked my belief system. I have never watched something so egregious, so inhumane, so sinful in real time. I recognize now that this is because my blinders were on. I had built my wall so high as to be unable to see the world on the other side of it. My wall wasn’t protecting me, it was hiding me… insulating me… preventing me from seeing the reality of the oppressed and the marginalized.

Posted by: Intercepted Bulwark Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (tSQiy)

300 Peak Rhona was "Boston Legal."

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (2YtOq)

301 I wonder if Ace dreams about busty lesbians.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:15 PM (1Btyh)

Electric busty lesbians.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (7R+co)

302 295 285 Aetius, are you diabetic?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (1Btyh)

No, very low level pre-diabetic. I am trying keto again to see if it clears up a few things. So far, so good.

But as always when I go on keto- I dream of baked goods.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (zZu0s)

303 Attacking science.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (qllUN)

304 Well, better than the converse. A bunch of lesbo whales moving about like drunk walruses...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

*takes notes for future Disney animation movie*

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (+lnIr)

305 The Federal government is acting virtually unrestrained from citizen involvement.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (4HsoB)

306 Legislate.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (+lnIr)
++++
*snort*

Well done.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (O4oKn)

307 "George Floyd’s story wrecked me, and it wrecked my belief system. I have never watched something so egregious, so inhumane, so sinful in real time. "

=======

He needs to get out more. In Chicago and West Baltimore, young black males gun down toddlers.

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (i7Q7S)

308 this essay by Kevin Young is a doozy:
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you mis spelled "op".

Posted by: PUHLEEEEZE at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (sh1GZ)

309 302 295 285 Aetius, are you diabetic?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (1Btyh)

No, very low level pre-diabetic. I am trying keto again to see if it clears up a few things. So far, so good.

But as always when I go on keto- I dream of baked goods.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (zZu0s)

Ketoacidosis. Something that diabetics have to worry about.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (ynpvh)

310 305 The Federal government is acting virtually unrestrained from citizen involvement.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (4HsoB)

As someone (maybe JJ) said earlier, it is like it is a 'Feral Government.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:19 PM (zZu0s)

311 But COVID shook him: As COVID took hold in 2020, I didn’t recognize my Christian and Conservative brother and sisters. Their callous response to the health of others shocked me. All told, I lost 19 people to COVID. All of them would be alive had Conservatives and Christians practiced “Love Thy Neighbor"

What finally caused the scales to fall from his eyes was the murder of George Floyd: George Floyd’s story wrecked me, and it wrecked my belief system. I have never watched something so egregious, so inhumane, so sinful in real time. I recognize now that this is because my blinders were on. I had built my wall so high as to be unable to see the world on the other side of it. My wall wasn’t protecting me, it was hiding me… insulating me… preventing me from seeing the reality of the oppressed and the marginalized.
Posted by: Intercepted Bulwark Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (tSQiy)
++++
He sounds like he has Monkeypox.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (O4oKn)

312 >>I was raised Republican, indoctrinated into the Grand Ol’ Party from a young age, and baptized into the waters of latent McCarthyism. I sipped at the fountain of Pro-Life Rallies and Reaganomics. . . .

Sure thing, buddy.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (7oh2Z)

313 Richie Roberts is gonna blind you with Science!!

Posted by: dananjcon at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (8C1eU)

314 All told, I lost 19 people to COVID.

Posted by: Intercepted Bulwark Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM (tSQiy)

I call bullshit on this.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (DRSnL)

315
Well, better than the converse. A bunch of lesbo whales moving about like drunk walruses...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM

I read Freud's 'On Dreams' a couple decades ago and one of the many categories of dreams was 'wish fulfillment'. I'm pretty sure I'd like to be the hot naked guy in a room full of hot naked lesbians.

No whales for me.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (enJYY)

316 302 Yes, keep it at bay for as long as possible. I’m full-on Type II diabetes, and it stinks.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (1Btyh)

317 Some humour ...

The toll Russia’s war in Ukraine is taking on its own armed forces was apparently laid bare as a major military parade attended by President Putin was graced by just one tank, and an 80-year-old one at that.

Posted by: SMOD at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (RHGPo)

318 I call bullshit on this.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (DRSnL)
++++
Well, maybe he was a traveling minister for nursing homes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (O4oKn)

319 I'm quitting . . . .

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (DRSnL)

Quitter.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (7R+co)

320 Hey, Profits are drying up. We need a new GIG and Fast!!!!!

Posted by: TREASONOUS PFIZER EXECUTIVES at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (jM1wU)

321 >>this essay by Kevin Young is a doozy:

Just some thoughts he jotted down while watching his Wife get railed by one of her many Bulls.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (7oh2Z)

322 "Sipped at the fountain"?

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

323 We need a comparable research project on the right...perhaps a study of whether or not the plumbum virus is lethal to communists when administered at 1200 fps with a dosage of 115 grains.

Hell...I'd participate.

Posted by: Don Draper at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (SXH3O)

324 Dr. Mengele applauds their medical research from his home in Hell.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (CecP5)

325
I was raised Republican, indoctrinated into the Grand Ol’ Party from a young age, and baptized into the waters of latent McCarthyism. I sipped at the fountain of Pro-Life Rallies and Reaganomics. . . .
--------

But is he 'severely conservative'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (HsC66)

326 312 >>I was raised Republican, indoctrinated into the Grand Ol’ Party from a young age, and baptized into the waters of latent McCarthyism. I sipped at the fountain of ~~Pro-Life Rallies and Reaganomics. . . .~~Bud Light last week.

Sure thing, buddy.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM

Damn...you caught me. I edited in the truth.

Posted by: Kevin Young at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (tSQiy)

327 All I know about it is someone on Downton Abbey thought they had it and it was a death sentence. But that was 100 years ago.
Posted by: Jordan61

An infected cut 100 years ago was a death sentence.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (+lnIr)

328 Quitter.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (7R+co)

Right, like you're not a quitter, too!

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (DRSnL)

329 I call bullshit on this.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (DRSnL)

Yeah, this is something I have noticed with Covid. It's black legend seems to grow as the years roll on. I have had several employees tell me that they lost a LOT of family members to it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (zZu0s)

330 Wildfire Protocol.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (2hlEI)

331 Just some thoughts he jotted down while watching his Wife get railed by one of her many Bulls.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (7oh2Z)
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Oh man.

Dredging this up from yesterday because it's just way too funny:
https://instapundit.com/583461/

Driscoll just sent it right over the plate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (O4oKn)

332 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus

Of peni.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (+lnIr)

333 Right, like you're not a quitter, too!

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:22 PM (DRSnL)

All the cool kids are doing it. You won't be cool if you don't.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (7R+co)

334 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

Yeah, that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)

335 "Sipped at the fountain"?
==
Yes after a particularly avid bull finished, I just happened to be kneeling there and one thing led to another as it so often does.

Posted by: Kevin I may not be flaming but I'm willing to learn Young at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (sh1GZ)

336 I want covid reparations.

Posted by: BignJames at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (AwYPR)

337 334 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

Yeah, that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)

*golfclap*

'Punching the Ewok.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:24 PM (zZu0s)

338 315
Well, better than the converse. A bunch of lesbo whales moving about like drunk walruses...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:17 PM

I read Freud's 'On Dreams' a couple decades ago and one of the many categories of dreams was 'wish fulfillment'. I'm pretty sure I'd like to be the hot naked guy in a room full of hot naked lesbians.

No whales for me.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (enJYY)

Most of my dreams are about ways to psychologically torture me. Losing a kid in crowd. Being served a child's head and being force to eat it. Shit like that. Funny one was where I was hit by microwave radiation and had just a few minutes to fix a tire on a care so my family could get away; didn't make it. The vultures perched nearby said, "Yum, Yum, thank you Lord for the meal"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:24 PM (ynpvh)

339 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

Yeah, that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)

Damn. You already started to ween yourself, haven't you?

It took about 90 days before I didn't routinely want to rip someone's head off. Now it's just special occasions.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (7R+co)

340 317 Some humour ...

The toll Russia’s war in Ukraine is taking on its own armed forces was apparently laid bare as a major military parade attended by President Putin was graced by just one tank, and an 80-year-old one at that.

Posted by: SMOD at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (RHGPo)

did it make it back from the Uke front?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (ynpvh)

341 I want covid reparations.
Posted by: BignJames at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (AwYPR)
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I don't. Retribution, yes. Reparations? Nah. No point. Too much damage was done. It can't be paid back.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (O4oKn)

342 It's always amazing how these so-called "former staunch Republicans" always open their eyes toward leftism and never toward the minor fact both sides of the aisle are equally guilty of trying to kill us.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (2YtOq)

343 >>Driscoll just sent it right over the plate.

I bet she is REALLY enthusiastic about her workouts.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (7oh2Z)

344 I want money so I can study why some wimmen have hair on their areloas and some do not.

This may have National Security Implications.

Whom do I call?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (MZjWj)

345 But as always when I go on keto- I dream of baked goods.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:18 PM (zZu0s)

Pizza and pasta (Carbonara) for me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (ZCCyW)

346 Yeah, this is something I have noticed with Covid. It's black legend seems to grow as the years roll on. I have had several employees tell me

that they lost a LOT of family members to it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

BECAUSE of it. Not to it.

Very few died because of covid. Many died because of bullshit responses to it.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (+lnIr)

347 How do you sip at a fountain? You either have to diunk your head or use a cup. Or stick your mouth under the stream of water coming from the cherub's dick.

Posted by: ace, in Milan with Messenger bag at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (zZu0s)

348 That Kevin Young fucknugget is totally full of shit. There are things that didn't happen. There are things that never happened. There are memes of taking "Things That Never Happened for $600, Alex." Then there's this guy's total bullshit story.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (iFTx/)

349 nood

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (Vwz3I)

350 316 I’m full-on Type II diabetes, and it stinks.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 09, 2023 02:20 PM (1Btyh)

I'm pretty sure that's a Mortal Sin on a Smart Military Blog full of Elite Operators.

Posted by: XTC at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (UnA8+)

351 Late to the party, but Krysten Sinema looked pretty.decent with her nice rack and pr0n librarian look.

And, Do Ewoks Dream Of Electric Lezz's?

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (ufFY8)

352 323 We need a comparable research project on the right...perhaps a study of whether or not the plumbum virus is lethal to communists when administered at 1200 fps with a dosage of 115 grains.

Hell...I'd participate.

Posted by: Don Draper at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (SXH3O)

It's called lead projectile therapy, and is quite effective, almost as effective as parachuteless high-altitude skydiving from helicopters.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (ynpvh)

353 >> that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.

Never. He'd get upset if you brought along any Carbs.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (7oh2Z)

354 Whom do I call?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (MZjWj)

Lots of hairy women, apparently.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (7R+co)

355 60 Minutes: "California's Lithium Valley could power electric vehicle industry"

If you're invested in CA battery firms, I think you can safely call a market top now...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (O4oKn)

356 And Kevin Young is gonna blind you with concern!!

Posted by: dananjcon at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (8C1eU)

357 Pizza and pasta (Carbonara) for me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2023 02:25 PM (ZCCyW)

Oh, yeah. I had just found a new spicy pasta sauce I really liked too before I started back up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 09, 2023 02:26 PM (zZu0s)

358 Until these criminals are stopped, they will never be stopped.
Posted by: Bruce Wayne at May 09, 2023 01:24 PM (lf83v)

By any means necessary.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2023 02:27 PM (tkR6S)

359 Is it wrong that I want to rub down KJP in cocoa butter and wheelbarrow her across the South Lawn of the White House?

I suspect I'm being remotely influenced by sinister MAGA forces.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2023 02:27 PM (KVGVf)

360 334 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

Yeah, that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)

++++
LOL!

Posted by: washrivergal at May 09, 2023 02:28 PM (6nNbw)

361 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

Yeah, that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)

Are we talking Brokeback Mountain gay? Or Frog and Toad on a tandem bike gay??

Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2023 02:28 PM (0dJLW)

362 Are we talking Brokeback Mountain gay? Or Frog and Toad on a tandem bike gay??
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2023 02:28 PM (0dJLW)

Brideshead Revisited gay

Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:29 PM (yPbCA)

363 Why is it that every single Rhino article sounds like a cry for help from a castrato?

Posted by: Kevin I may not be flaming but I'm willing to learn Young at May 09, 2023 02:29 PM (sh1GZ)

364 359 Is it wrong that I want to rub down KJP in cocoa butter and wheelbarrow her across the South Lawn of the White House?

I suspect I'm being remotely influenced by sinister MAGA forces.
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She needs a bone in her nose.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 09, 2023 02:29 PM (OTXUv)

365 265 I think KJP is not really dumb. She's actually a genius, and a master troll. I think she is working her way to see if she can pull off authentic frontier gibberish and get the media drones to praise her for it.

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2023 02:11 PM (pwExq)

She is in her wheelhouse today on the Debt Limit issue. Repeating over and over the day's Democrat talking points, calling her master's political opponents heartless, grandstanding, evil, uncaring MAGA extremists, who want to condemn millions, MILLIONS, of hard working American families to famine, disease, and death, by failing to pass a clean debt limit increase as Joe demands.

She was never more than a Democrat talking points hatchet woman. Who only appeared and spewed-out he vile messages on MSNBC, CNN, and other lapdog media broadcast and web outlets. She, like all other Junta employees, and Joe, is an execrable person.

Posted by: Gref at May 09, 2023 02:34 PM (AMIL/)

366 One of the side effects is 'vivid dreams'. Imagine the dream of being in a room filled with naked lesbians. Vividly imagined.

I gave up on the patch after that. That was just a little too real in my mind.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 09, 2023 02:10 PM (enJYY)

I had the same reaction, very vivid dreams. No lesbians as I recall.

Posted by: Javems at May 09, 2023 02:35 PM (AmoqO)

367 222 Does MULDOON use the "w" or "v" pronunciation for Latin words?
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Yes.

You're velcome.
Posted by: The Muldoon 5000 at May 09, 2023 02:03 PM (Vwz3I)

Also the hard c.

Kikero, not Sisero.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 09, 2023 02:36 PM (N1DT3)

368 we talking Brokeback Mountain gay? Or Frog and Toad on a tandem bike gay??
Posted by: Doof

My boys loved Frog and Toad! How dare you sully them with such remarks!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 09, 2023 02:38 PM (+krNS)

369 Yeah, this is something I have noticed with Covid. It's black legend seems to grow as the years roll on. I have had several employees tell me that they lost a LOT of family members to it.
Posted by: Aetius
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83 year-old widow across the street wouldn't even go outside to get her mail from the mailbox without a mask.

At the time, she said to me, 'I wonder what people will tell their children about life during the time of Covid?'

Because, pretty much the same as the bubonic plague, right? Cholera? She was convinced that it was true.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2023 02:38 PM (vrkNi)

370 I sipped at the fountain of Pro-Life Rallies and Reaganomics. . . .

I think he sipped a lot of dicks.

Posted by: Archer at May 09, 2023 02:39 PM (gmo/4)

371 "Sipped at the fountain"?
Posted by: Thesokorus at May 09, 2023 02:21 PM (yPbCA)

Yeah, that sounds gayer than Ace and Garrett on a picnic.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)

First big laugh of the day. Well done.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trailer Trash Adjacent at May 09, 2023 02:40 PM (T/Lqj)

372 NY Jury - Trump Not Guilty of Rape, Guilty of Sexual Battery, Guilty of Defamation. $2 million in Damages.

Trump is guilty of being Trump.

Posted by: Lost In Space at May 09, 2023 03:15 PM (iGfKR)

373 Time to shut them down and cut off their money

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 09, 2023 04:28 PM (wGqjj)

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