THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Update on the Electric Vehicle Follies; plus “The Trans-Texas IH-10 EV Challenge”

It’s been a little while since we last checked in on the “electric vehicle transition,” so let’s see what’s going on.

Let’s start off With Georgia Governor Brian Kemp’s great taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle - Rivian! It is more likely that Ace will someday become a writer at The Bulwark than it is that a Rivian EV will ever roll off the assembly line in Georgia.

Companies anticipating tremendous growth in industries that are expected to grow rapidly are usually hiring people, not laying them off, right?

EV-Maker Rivian Lays Off 239 Orange County Workers: Additional layoffs at the EV automaker's Palo Alto facilities have boosted the California total to 479 [OC Register – 4/24/2023]

The staffing reductions will impact a variety of positions, including “trail” engineers, geometric design engineers and mechanical engineers, as well as others involved in support services, digital surfacing, security, purchasing, program management, customer service, supply chain service and software engineering.

How’s Rivian’s stock doing? Very poorly. It’s down over 70% (as I write this) from its 52-week high, and down more than 20% in just the last month.

So, is it a good time to go bottom fishing for Rivian stock? Not if the ultimate price is going to be zero.

This stock tip sheet cracked me up with its analysis of Rivian this week:

With Rivian on track to spend about $6 billion in 2023—roughly half of the $12 billion in cash on hand it had in 2022—the picture doesn’t look good. It’s already cut its workforce by around 6%. Normally that would be good news, but Rivian already missed its production goals for 2022, and the job doesn’t get done without a workforce.

General Motors is also struggling to gain traction in the EV market. Just this week it announced that it will be suspending production of its slow-selling Bolt EV. Despite being a slow-seller, the Bolt was still GM’s best selling EV.

General Motors’ CEO Mary Barra cleverly worded the decision to stop selling its unpopular mass-market EV. "We have progressed so far that it's now time to plan to end the Chevrolet Bolt EV and EU production, which will happen at the very end of the year."

GM to End Production of Electric Chevy Bolt, Its First Mass-Market EV, Later This Year [CNBC – 4/25/2023]

But Bolt sales never caught on as well as many executives hoped, as EV sales overall remained minuscule outside of Tesla. The Bolt also suffered a major setback more recently, as GM recalled all of the Bolts ever produced due to a supplier-related battery issue that caused several fires.

The photo below is of Vermont State Representative Tim Briglin’s Chevrolet Bolt. To be fair, it looked a lot better before it spontaneously combusted while parked in Rep. Briglin’s driveway.

Well how about Ford and its electric E-dsel vehicles?

It’s not good. Sales of its flagship Ford F150 Lightning electric pickup truck are plummeting. Ford ‘s well publicized goal is to sell 150,000 F150 Lightnings per year. That production is a dream that is slipping away.

Ford's Poor F-150 Lightning Sales [24/7 Wall Street – 3/5/2023]

The Ford F-150 Lightning is supposed to be its EV flagship. It is the electric version of its F-150 pickup, the best-selling vehicle in America for over four decades. That should give the Lightning a built-in advantage. However, Ford has only sold 3,600 in the first two months of 2023. It is a sign of how far Ford has to go as it tries to get Lightning sales into the tens of thousands per month.

Yikes, that’s only 1,800 Lightnings per month in January and February. How about in March? Well, it got even worse.

Ford sold only 691 F150 Lightnings in March 2023 [Ford Authority]

I’ll do the math for you. Total F150 Lightning sales in Q1 2023 were only 4,291 which annualizes to just 17,164 sales. That is just 11% of the 150,000 that Ford intends to sell. Even worse, sales are trending downward as Ford is running out of ~~suckers~~ early adopters to buy the truck.

Car Dealership Guy - Ford F150 Lightning sales plummet.JPG

What about Ford’s Mach-E Mustang? Its sales are in freefall too. From that same Ford Authority link, Ford sold only 998 Mach-E Mustangs in March 2023, compared to 2,363 electric Mustangs one year earlier in March 2022., a 58% decline.

For full year 2022, Ford sold over 39,000 electric Mustangs, but it is currently on track to sell less than 22,000 in 2023…if sales don’t collapse further.

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OK, enough about the EV sales debacle. What else is going on with EVs?

This is from Business Insider, a left-wing publication that is usually putting out EV fanboy puff pieces.

A 9-hour Drive in Toyota's New Electric SUV Showed Me How Brutal EV Road Trips Can Be With the Wrong Car [Business Insider – 4/15/2023]

I drove the new Toyota bZ4X electric SUV from New York to Washington DC, and back.
The nine-hour drive involved three hours of charging.
I learned the hard way that sometimes you need to choose between staying warm and maximizing range.

This poor guy learned that there really is no such thing as fast charging, nor obtaining a 100% charge at a charging station.

The Toyota refused to pull more than 35 kW, so just getting to 74% took a full 45 minutes of waiting around — not exactly something you want to do at night when you still have hours of driving ahead of you.

So after waiting 45 minutes to get from 37% charged to 74% charged, how much more range did he get? About 75 miles.

That stint added 95 miles of range, according to the SUV's estimates. But highway speeds sap energy quickly, so in real-world terms, it was probably more like 75.
On the return trip, I stopped at an EVgo station with 6% remaining. This time, the Toyota wouldn't budge past 50 kW, so charging to 80% took an agonizing hour and 15 minutes.

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So why does a Toyota EV that says it has 95 miles of range have only 75? The reason is that the range is not calculated using real-world conditions.

Electric Car Ranges 20% Lower Than Advertised; Official Tests Do Not Mimic Real Driving Conditions, Study Finds [The Times – 4/01/2023]

Independent testing of more than 70 electric vehicles shows that their range is nearly 20 percent less on average than the figures put in manufacturers websites. That means an electric car claiming that it can go 240 miles is likely to achieve less than 200 miles before running out of power.

If you are foolish enough to drive an EV for much more than a daily commute, your “range anxiety” might as well start the moment you pull away from home.

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Electric vehicles are heavier than regular cars, about 1,000 to 1,500 lbs heavier on average. If the EV transition were to take place, that would place an awful burden on roads...

…and parking garages.

SHOT

CHASER

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The Trans-Texas IH-10 EV Challenge

Let’s finish today with a challenge to the EV fanboys who keep writing and telling me how amazing EVs are; and how they will replace gas-powered cars; and – my favorite - “Buck, you just need to educate yourself about EVs.”

OK, educate me.

I’d like to challenge EV enthusiasts to start their morning in Orange, Texas (on the Louisiana border), hop on the interstate, and drive IH-10 all the way to El Paso. Educate me on how that goes.

I can make that trans-Texas drive in about 13 hours in my car, including regular gas and restroom stops, maybe even 12 hours if I pushed myself. Nighttime would find me in Rosa’s Cantina. Where would the EV be by nightfall?

“But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?” I do. I have driven 600 to 800 miles in one day many times, often across empty expanses of this great land, as have many millions of other Americans.

Seriously, how long would it take to drive an electric vehicle from Orange to El Paso? Is it even possible?

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 11:01 AM (bx3Pl)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

3 Morning.

That ain't no monkey I've ever seen.

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 11:02 AM (/09mb)

4 Seriously, how long would it take to drive an electric vehicle from Orange to El Paso? Is it even possible?

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Wait...you expect freedom of movement in the EV future?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

5 I saw a Rivian once.

On the back of a tow truck.

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 11:02 AM (/09mb)

6 General Motors’ CEO Mary Barra cleverly worded the decision to stop selling its unpopular mass-market EV. "We have progressed so far that it's now time to plan to end the Chevrolet Bolt EV and EU production, which will happen at the very end of the year."

At the same time, Disney's head of programming said "we will cease production of Star Wars films because they're just too darn successful".

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:03 AM (eOEVl)

7 Someone started a manufacturing facility in California?

Yeah. They get what they deserve for that oversight.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:04 AM (UBUkf)

8 Ford ‘s well publicized goal is to sell 150,000 F150 Lightnings per year. That production is a dream that is slipping away.

The Ford F-150 Lightning is supposed to be its EV flagship. It is the electric version of its F-150 pickup, the best-selling vehicle in America for over four decades. That should give the Lightning a built-in advantage. However, Ford has only sold 3,600 in the first two months of 2023. It is a sign of how far Ford has to go as it tries to get Lightning sales into the tens of thousands per month.

Yikes, that’s only 1,800 Lightnings per month in January and February. How about in March? Well, it got even worse.

Ahhh hahahahaha!

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (eOEVl)

9 I’ll do the math for you. Total F150 Lightning sales in Q1 2023 were only 4,291 which annualizes to just 17,164 sales. That is just 11% of the 150,000 that Ford intends to sell. Even worse, sales are trending downward as Ford is running out of suckers early adopters to buy the truck.

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"I found a guy on Youtube who loved his. That means that these sales numbers are bunk. Also, Scandinavia loves their EVs, so you're wrong."
-Joe Xiden

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

10 That one burnt out car looks nasty, but I'm impressed with the tires!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (anj39)

11 And there is likely a Buc-ees or two on the way to El Paso (I've never driven this route before, so I'm assuming that this is the case), so clean bathrooms and the wonderful assorted food items to choose from for the trip!

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (xxG/v)

12 It’s already cut its workforce by around 6%. Normally that would be good news...

I have neither a business degree nor a "tip sheet" but, unless the people you're cutting are, at best, marginal toward your business success... cutting them seems counter-productive.

Maybe someday business analysts will focus on something other than short term stock price bumps.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (GYIa4)

13 This might be gaining some steam in conservative circles... I've seen a couple more tweets pushing it:

An Axios guy...

Jim VandeHei @JimVandeHei · 5h
🚨🚨Some White House officials say it's difficult to schedule public or private events with the president in the morning, in the evening, or on weekends: The vast majority of Biden’s public events happen on weekdays, between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (Vwz3I)

14 Did a tour at a Firehouse with my Cub Scouts and I asked about Electric Cars and they said they just extract the person and let it burn, they don't have anything that will snuff out the fire. Remember the Grand Tour when they crashed the electric supercar and it burned for 3 days.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (Mg0O7)

15 We need to pivot to slot cars. Win Win.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (C7jzY)

16 Where's Joe Xiden when you need him..........LOL.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

17 The monkey is in the car, doing an auto-da-fe.

And, we typically drove from W. MI to somewhere in Nebraska in one day when we would travel to Vegas.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (ufFY8)

18 Yikes, that’s only 1,800 Lightnings per month in January and February. How about in March? Well, it got even worse.

Ahhh hahahahaha!

Actually, I don't know why I'm laughing. There will be government bailouts for these idiots, guaran-damn-teed.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (eOEVl)

19 ...and the tires didn't melt... yeah sure.

Posted by: Nispee ruckzel at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (TYZ3S)

20 Companies anticipating tremendous growth in industries that are expected to grow rapidly are usually hiring people, not laying them off, right?

Hey! Hey!! Hey!!! This is 2023 economics, pal. There is NO room for that outdated logic or sensibility in economic philosophy!

Posted by: Biergood at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (FQWHA)

21 I drive 1300 miles in a day sometimes.

What fucking business is it for any goddamned activist how far I drive how often?

The American people need to learn to butt the fuck out, I want every bit the liberty Karen Wine Mom grants Juan Javier Sanchez-Lopez.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (Lzpvj)

22 Doesn't DoD have a deadline for converting our armored divisions to all electric? How about the Navy?

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

23 I saw a Rivian once.

On the back of a tow truck.
Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 11:02 AM (/09mb)

They are hideous vehicles.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

24 >>So after waiting 45 minutes to get from 37% charged to 74% charged, how much more range did he get? About 75 miles.

I see an opportunity to Franchise The Chicken Ranch.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (UBUkf)

25 How’s Rivian’s stock doing? Very poorly. It’s down over 70% (as I write this) from its 52-week high, and down more than 20% in just the last month.
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It's amazing to me that these huge companies with no products can go public and trade. There is no revenue. The PE is undefined. These kinds of gambles do not belong on public stock exchanges, they belong in private capital markets (VC, individual investors, whatever).

That companies like these are publicly-traded at all is an indicator of how bonkers the capital markets are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)

26 I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??

Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (88xKn)

27 18 Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (eOEVl)

The American people will not accept riding lawn carts cross country.

Go long on 57 Chevys like Cuba.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (Lzpvj)

28 Has anybody seen statistical data on how EVs perform on black ice? That drive train must really be working overtime synchronizing 4 independent roller skates.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (KVGVf)

29 A lot of supposedly intelligent people are going to destroy several major companies because of this stupid electric car crap.

With the full support of the federal government, of course.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (JMAcK)

30 I miss the old days when the customer was always right.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (FVME7)

31 I've said before I don't understand why the push was for EVs instead of the next logical step of Hybrids. They went all in on a pair of deuces.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (ZB6WQ)

32 Did a tour at a Firehouse with my Cub Scouts and I asked about Electric Cars and they said they just extract the person and let it burn, they don't have anything that will snuff out the fire. Remember the Grand Tour when they crashed the electric supercar and it burned for 3 days.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (Mg0O7)

Denmark uses a big box and puts it over the burning car to snuff it instead of wasting chemicals and water trying to put it out.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

33 22 Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

General Jenny Granholm says 2030.

I am amused, and happy about it given the likely target for DOD she has in mind.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (Lzpvj)

34 If we just mandate EV sales harder, people will flock to this exciting new technology in which I am, coincidentally, heavily invested. -- government "leaders" everywhere

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (GYIa4)

35 I've driven from Beaumont to El Paso. Took me 12 hours. I couldn't imagine doing it in an EV.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (wmDcS)

36 EVs are just a stepping stone to faster than light travel with the spice melange.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (LvTSG)

37 Speaking of, Ricochet occasionally has good podcasts. This one runs down the folly of trying to convert the auto fleet into EVs.
The Last Optimist.
https://tinyurl.com/5s2yvwha

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (jzzG8)

38 >>I drive 1300 miles in a day sometimes.

I did a trip to Minnesota this year to pickup some Pinball Machines.
42 hours of driving, straight, through Winter Storm Warnings.
Temps never got above 0 and dropped to -15 for most of the hours I was moving.

I would have died 3x in an EV.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (UBUkf)

39 I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??
Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (88xKn)

Buc-ees

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

40 Total F150 Lightning sales in Q1 2023 were only 4,291 which annualizes to just 17,164 sales. That is just 11% of the 150,000 that Ford intends to sell.

I guess making it up on volume isn't in the cards, then.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (lTGtQ)

41 31 I've said before I don't understand why the push was for EVs instead of the next logical step of Hybrids. They went all in on a pair of deuces.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (ZB6WQ)

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The car we got in Arizona was a Chrysler minivan hybrid.

Crazy stupid good gas mileage, and we never even plugged the thing up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

42 The Georgia sister humpers can't get enough of that sleazeball Kemp. It boggles my mind how this scumbag keeps getting re-elected.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (N5C4b)

43 Clap more and believe harder, and EVs will perform just as well, if not better than, gas-powered cars!

Posted by: Fairy dust and government subsidies at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (N2NOk)

44 This is 2023 economics, pal. There is NO room for that outdated logic or sensibility in economic philosophy!

It's amazing to me that these huge companies with no products can go public and trade. There is no revenue. The PE is undefined. These kinds of gambles do not belong on public stock exchanges, they belong in private capital markets (VC, individual investors, whatever).

That companies like these are publicly-traded at all is an indicator of how bonkers the capital markets are.

Profits? PROFITS??? We don't need no stinkin' profits!

Posted by: Dotcoms at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (eOEVl)

45 The dream:

all the car companies get together, like OPEC, and tell the government to piss up a rope. Internal combustion engines now, tomorrow, and forever.

Posted by: DB - jockeying for position at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (geLO8)

46 There isn't going to be an explosion of EV's or some sort of breakthrough tech to make them drivable. Everyone knows this. The idea is to reduce the number of conventional trucks and cars as low as possible and keep the population from moving around at will.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (Q4IgG)

47 Going back to using horses would make more sense than electric vehicles.

Get a horse!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (VLodB)

48 EVs shouldn't be forced on the public and lithium batteries should be avoided at all costs.

If someone wants an EV for their urban driving, driving that doesn't involve too many miles per recharge trip, then fine. Buy it and enjoy it. Just don't subsidize it and don't force these on everyone. And upgrade the grid - more nuclear power plants, more transmission lines, and the necessary end-user distribution,first.

But what we're looking at today isn't going to work. And let the ICE people (like myself) keep our ICE vehicles.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (xxG/v)

49 Trying to make electric vehicles replace ICE vehicles makes as much sense as banning meat because veggieburgers exist. I got nothing against veggieburgers. Some suck, some are delicious. I eat them when i want them. But it isn't meat, and the best ones are the ones that don't try to mimic meat.

EVs are a product. They do some things. They don't do other things. The jacked up assclowns calling the shots are fucking imbeciles if they think they can just snap their fingers and outlaw the internal combustion engine, and say it's fine because i can buy a completely different product for twice the price as the thing i already worked hard to pay off, and doesn't do what i need it to do.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (9UlRk)

50 I miss the old days when the customer was always right.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (FVME7)

The customer can suck my dick!

Posted by: Modern Corporate America at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (/09mb)

51 Does Rivian have anything that Musk would want? Seems like a good time for a takeout they did.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (ZB6WQ)

52 Go long on 57 Chevys like Cuba.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (Lzpvj)

Dude! -- Cuban driver.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (AiZBA)

53
"We have progressed so far that it's now time to plan to end the Chevrolet Bolt EV and EU production, which will happen at the very end of the year."

EU?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (63Dwl)

54 I have a vague impression Toyota has said they will not be pushing into the EV market, but will work on hybrids.

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (eGTCV)

55 Fellow band parent drove their brand new Mustang Mach E (FUCK you Ford for doing that to the iconic Mustang name) from DFW area to San Antonio (280 miles).

They had to stop 3 times, 45 minutes each time, to charge it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

56 The Ford F-150 Lightning is supposed to be its EV flagship. It is the electric version of its F-150 pickup, the best-selling vehicle in America for over four decades. That should give the Lightning a built-in advantage.[/b However, Ford has only sold 3,600 in the first two months of 2023. It is a sign of how far Ford has to go as it tries to get Lightning sales into the tens of thousands per month.
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Ah, but that is not a sensible way to think about it.

The F-150 is a good truck. One can argue as about "best" or "best for X," but the F-150 is a good truck. People like it.

The F-150 EV is not a good truck. It cannot do good truck things - like tow or drive under load for any meaningful distance. It can do some good non-truck things - like be a backup power source for your house or look cool on the supermarket run - but that doesn't matter for a truck.

Anyone looking for a truck probably isn't interested in the F-150 EV. Anyone looking for a family car that happens to be a truck might be interested, but the premium required for the EV is a brutally hard sell.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (t0OGg)

57 For full year 2022, Ford sold over 39,000 electric Mustangs, but it is currently on track to sell less than 22,000 in 2023…if sales don’t collapse further.

Bad news... I just checked with my Magic 8-Ball and it says that sales are expected to collapse further.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (GYIa4)

58 >>I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??

There were like 20 brand new ones in Glendive MT when I did that MN trip. None were being used, though.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (UBUkf)

59 The periodic update on electric cars is Lithium, Nickel and Arsenic.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (v0j+K)

60 Doesn't DoD have a deadline for converting our armored divisions to all electric? How about the Navy?
Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

There's been talk about converting the DoD's civilian vehicles to electric, which is slightly less insane, but still very dumb, and unrealistic.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (wmDcS)

61 I get paid over $85 per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I'd be able to do it but my best friend earns over 12,000 bucks a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless.
Here's what I've been doing.. www.Payathome7.com
Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (3LAzn)

Imma cut a bitch......

Posted by: Sarah at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

62 Governments all around the world, including ours, are banning gas cars. Whether people want them or not, EVs are going to be the only option if you want a car.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (OalnH)

63 The car we got in Arizona was a Chrysler minivan hybrid.

Crazy stupid good gas mileage, and we never even plugged the thing up.

Ooooh, you savage beast!

Posted by: Hawt young ladies everywhere at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (eOEVl)

64 60 There's been talk about converting the DoD's civilian vehicles to electric, which is slightly less insane, but still very dumb, and unrealistic.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (wmDcS)

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Not buying EVs for the military is like telling your wife that you want her to starve because you don't want to buy groceries.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (LvTSG)

65 I'm not a EV fan. I could ever afford one but why come across as a Fulton's Folly idiot? They're perfectly fine for city slime.

Posted by: Nispee ruckzel at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (TYZ3S)

66 And let the ICE people (like myself) keep our ICE vehicles

That means you're gay!

Posted by: ICE-T at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (ufFY8)

67 The Earth has spent untold millions of years making all this wonderful petroleum for us to use. It's in the ground, just waiting for us. It would be wrong to not avail ourselves of this magical Gaia-given gift.

Posted by: DB - jockeying for position at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (geLO8)

68 "It is the electric version of its F-150 pickup, the best-selling vehicle in America for over four decades. That should give the Lightning a built-in advantage."

Why would this give it an advantage? It's a totally different truck. And if you have an F-150 you like, you sure as shit aren't going to take a chance on something totally new.

Is reality a thing to these people or just nah?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (KbCG3)

69 35 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (wmDcS)

I do it for fun from time to time.

No Goreon and Joe XiDen-Mau Mau whatever never wants to acknowledge the already suck ass time in motion versus charging numbers being impacted by heat and cold.

Imagine the drive in the dead of late july between San An and El Paso with the literal deadlands of the Midland-> ELP corridor.....

Clowns, we live in clown world.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (Lzpvj)

70 @29

>>With the full support of the federal government, of course

These decisions are being made at levels beyond our federal government.

Our "representatives" are simply errand boys, collecting their bit of the vig while preforming bits of Kabuki theater for the masses.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (kR67p)

71 What about Ford’s Mach-E Mustang? Its sales are in freefall too. From that same Ford Authority link, Ford sold only 998 Mach-E Mustangs in March 2023, compared to 2,363 electric Mustangs one year earlier in March 2022., a 58% decline.
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Sports cars are a great fit for EV. I strongly suspect that the reason for the Mach-E's poor sales are more to do with it being too expensive and too ugly - and the declining economic conditions of Mustang's traditional middle-class/upper-middle-class buyer than with it being an EV as such.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)

72 Politicians might be the perfect EV buyers--driving, in traffic, from apartment to offices and virtue signal. But they need to pay full price.
Do EVs have a virtue signal?

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (eGTCV)

73 When a lib says they can get 100% out of a battery or you can 100% recycle the batteries, I ask them if they know the 3 laws of thermodynamics or if they believe in perpetual motion. Trust the science motherfuckers

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (OgrpQ)

74 The Georgia sister humpers can't get enough of that sleazeball Kemp. It boggles my mind how this scumbag keeps getting re-elected.
Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (N5C4b)

Local politics and control of the state party apparatus. Plus, IIRC, he worked hard to cut deals with the teacher's unions in order to get their support.

It's going to be hilarious in 2026 when a dem wins the governorship.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (wmDcS)

75 39 I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??
Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (88xKn)

Our local progressive Target store has six of them in the parking lot. Half of them are always out of order. I have never seen an EV charging there and they've had them for years.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (N5C4b)

76 62 Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (OalnH)

Fuck them.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (Lzpvj)

77 >I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??

___

Apartment buildings, grocery stores, office buildings, hotels. They're around.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (OalnH)

78 74 Local politics and control of the state party apparatus. Plus, IIRC, he worked hard to cut deals with the teacher's unions in order to get their support.

It's going to be hilarious in 2026 when a dem wins the governorship.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (wmDcS)

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"I could have cleaned up Fulton County's election machinery, but then I got high."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

79 Electric vehicles are heavier than regular cars, about 1,000 to 1,500 lbs heavier on average. If the EV transition were to take place, that would place an awful burden on roads...

…and parking garages.

On the plus side, more collapsing parking garages should mean more ruptured battery packs and, therefore, more EV fires.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (GYIa4)

80 Biden energy secretary doubles down on electrifying US military's vehicle fleet by 2030: 'We can get there'

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The enemy has broken through our left flank!

We'll send in the tanks just as soon as they are charged! Three or four hours if we're, I mean, if you are lucky!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (FVME7)

81 I have neither a business degree nor a "tip sheet" but, unless the people you're cutting are, at best, marginal toward your business success... cutting them seems counter-productive.

Maybe someday business analysts will focus on something other than short term stock price bumps.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:05 AM (GYIa4)

Depending on the corporate culture, the cuts are to deadweight sectors that are not contributing to the bottom line currently and aren't seen to be profitable near term, are customer enhancement positions for internal and external customers that won't cause sales losses for the main products, or "Not the bosses kids or their besties"

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (xhaym)

82 General Motors’ CEO Mary Barra cleverly worded the decision to stop selling its unpopular mass-market EV. "We have progressed so far that it's now time to plan to end the Chevrolet Bolt EV and EU production, which will happen at the very end of the year."

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Not one to give investment advice, but I bought Tesla stock when it went down to a tad over $100/share. Should have bought some years ago - but hey, the second best time to plant a tree and all.

Anyway, TSLA got hammered recently because of Musk's strategy to forsake short-term profit to increase market share and shake out his rivals. Doesn't seem like a terrible strategy, so I'm still holding onto the stock. I'd much rather buy the stock than buy a Tesla, however. I like my 2004 Honda CR-V.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (/iWhV)

83 Your reminder that pushing EVs and killing internal combustion engine vehicles isn't about "the climate", or even just rent seekers running a scam. It's about destroying the ability of Americans to travel at will.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (OUMaO)

84 Range with EVs is even more misleading than listed MPG with plain old ICE vehicles.
Factor in 'time is money' anything beyond a couple hundreds miles and the EVs will always lose on economics.

But, this is where EV pickups gain over EV cars. You can put a generator in the pickup bed and a hundred gallon fuel tank behind the cab.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (dCe1c)

85 79 On the plus side, more collapsing parking garages should mean more ruptured battery packs and, therefore, more EV fires.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (GYIa4)

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Praise Gaia for the beneficial fires! Better than carbon fires!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

86 >>Sports cars are a great fit for EV. I strongly suspect that the reason for the Mach-E's poor sales are more to do with it being too expensive and too ugly - and the declining economic conditions of Mustang's traditional middle-class/upper-middle-class buyer than with it being an EV as such.

They destroyed the Mustang with that move. They NEVER have problems selling Mustangs. They abandoned the recipe and they will pay for that.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (UBUkf)

87 I do it for fun from time to time.

No Goreon and Joe XiDen-Mau Mau whatever never wants to acknowledge the already suck ass time in motion versus charging numbers being impacted by heat and cold.

Imagine the drive in the dead of late july between San An and El Paso with the literal deadlands of the Midland-> ELP corridor.....

Clowns, we live in clown world.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:12 AM (Lzpvj)

Back in 2015 I drove from Colorado Springs to San Antonio for a friend's wedding. Made it in two days, through a massive blizzard. Then got up the next day and drove home again in one. No way I could make that trip in an EV.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (wmDcS)

88 77 >I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??

The library in a nearby city has one parking spot with EV charging.

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (eGTCV)

89 This poor guy learned that there really is no such thing as fast charging, nor obtaining a 100% charge at a charging station.
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Part of that is the "wrong car" thing (unable to pull enough power from that charger/those chargers), but I am surprised he didn't hit the other EV road trip problem: broken or malfunctioning chargers. Tesla's "Supercharger" network is more reliable than the "Electrify America" network, but both has serious reliability problems. Having the "right car" isn't a great help if the EV charging station only has 25% or 50% of its chargers online and you're not first in line.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (t0OGg)

90 dang, left Orange TX in 64. why would anyone be there now?

Posted by: henry at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (JMDly)

91 Rivian trucks are FUGLY! Even if they were gas powered, sales would be in the shitter.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (OalnH)

92 There were like 20 brand new ones in Glendive MT when I did that MN trip. None were being used, though.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:10 AM (UBUkf)

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I haven't been through Glendive since the recharging stations were built. How far from the big green triceratop (which is on the way to Sidney, so you may not have seen this) are they?

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (xxG/v)

93 >>Range with EVs is even more misleading than listed MPG with plain old ICE vehicles.

How many EV manufacturers have gotten the VW Treatment, though?

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (UBUkf)

94 38 Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (UBUkf)

The Crown Vic police interceptor saved my life literally in an ice induces wreck in Montana....

I have drove the i-80/i-90 corridor a lot in my truck....

No way an AlGore special will work up there.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (Lzpvj)

95 It is astounding to watch the left, working through the bureacracy, convince the entire auto manufacturing industry to commit suicide. They think they're too big to fail - but they're not. Neither is this economic system.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (i9ffA)

96 ...
But, this is where EV pickups gain over EV cars. You can put a generator in the pickup bed and a hundred gallon fuel tank behind the cab.

That'll make your Texas run.
Maybe.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (dCe1c)

97 Twitter financial genius: Disney was at 199.2 in 2021, yesterday it hit 99.4! A new 5 year high! In your face DeSantis!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (izUXO)

98 I did a trip to Minnesota this year to pickup some Pinball Machines.
42 hours of driving, straight, through Winter Storm Warnings.
Temps never got above 0 and dropped to -15 for most of the hours I was moving.

I would have died 3x in an EV.
Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (UBUkf)
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Death? Meh. What pinball machines did you get?

Posted by: WWW at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (2bFN5)

99 When I was a kid we had it tough. We used to drive our EV to school and back home. In the summer. No snow. It was downhill both ways.

/A grandpa in 2062.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (ykeLU)

100 The automotive press are bought and paid for whores promoting EVs.

Posted by: mr tmz at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (rJ48h)

101 sigh...sock fail

Posted by: scampydog at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (2bFN5)

102 I'll drive my diesel F250 towing my fifth wheel camper and race any electric vehicle to Lubbock and back (325 miles each way).

Guess who wins?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

103 I've driven from Beaumont to El Paso. Took me 12 hours. I couldn't imagine doing it in an EV.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM (wmDcS)

Dot should start posting distances in time instead of miles.

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (AwYPR)

104 Maybe they could fool more people if they called them "trans-internal combustion machines"

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (amJF4)

105 The enemy has broken through our left flank!

We'll send in the tanks just as soon as they are charged! Three or four hours if we're, I mean, if you are lucky!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

LOL

Another take:

"We need those mobile chargers NOW to charge our tanks!"

"4-hour ETA. Hold the line as best you can. The mobile chargers are charging."

Posted by: Biergood at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (FQWHA)

106 97 Twitter financial genius: Disney was at 199.2 in 2021, yesterday it hit 99.4! A new 5 year high! In your face DeSantis!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (izUXO)

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And Guardians of the Galaxy 3 screened yesterday to some mixed reception.

Go, Disney!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

107 If you are foolish enough to drive an EV for much more than a daily commute, your “range anxiety” might as well start the moment you pull away from home.
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EVs have their place, and that place is not really for road trips. They're in-town cars and fun sports cars. Those are perfectly legitimate markets. The Nissan Leaf fills the former reasonably well, and the Tesla Model S fills the latter reasonably well.

But there is no EV that can be most things to most men. There are plenty of ICE vehicles that can be most things to most men.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)

108 So, for my knowledge, how much does it cost when you roll into the 'electricity station' in your EV and charge up?

Posted by: DB - jockeying for position at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (geLO8)

109 They destroyed the Mustang with that move. They NEVER have problems selling Mustangs. They abandoned the recipe and they will pay for that.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (UBUkf)

Not to add gas to the fire, Ford will be unveiling the 4 door mustang next year.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (OgrpQ)

110 >>I haven't been through Glendive since the recharging stations were built. How far from the big green triceratop (which is on the way to Sidney, so you may not have seen this) are they?

Hah! Last time I was there Glendive had one building adjacent to the Exit. Gas / General Store / Post Office.

Now there are 3-4 Brand New Hotels, a Couple Travel Stations and 2 Seasonal Restaurants right at the exit.

Crazy.

The Chargers are behind the Hotels about 150 yards off the HWY.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (UBUkf)

111 Here in Moonbat Central, Kalifornia I see one Rivian pickup driving around. The vehicle is butt ugly. It will make a nice anchor in the very near future as spare parts become nonexistent.

I can't imagine the smugness of smug owner of this smug vehicle.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (17s+e)

112 Pretend you're a developer... a woke developer who's going to build a new subdivision. All "green" tech. Only EV's allowed.

Now, call the local electric company and have them estimate how much juice your utopian dream will need for the hundreds of EV's that'll line the streets.

How much do you suppose that'll increase the cost on each solar/wind powered house that can't possibly charge a golf cart?

Now ask the local insurance company how much an EV rider is going to jack up the homeowner's insurance.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (Q4IgG)

113 "I could have cleaned up Fulton County's election machinery, but then I got high."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

My theory is that GA and AZ GOP are so hostile to cleaning up elections because it would reveal that their own folks have been criminally negligent and incompetent in managing county election offices as well.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (wmDcS)

114 I admit I'd like a Miata sized EV for inner city travel. Like having a super quick golf cart.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (ZB6WQ)

115 They should've started their Tranzi fantasy future selling the edible bugs. Would've taken a lot less VC bukz to find out nobody is buying it. Probably fewer fires too.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (FhXTo)

116 I remember a school went to all electric Busses and they had to Sell them off because in the Winter the busses could not finish their routes, because the cold saps the battery something like 30-40% they were told that to get the best charge is all the busses would have to be in a heated Garage to protected them from the cold.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (7hDf4)

117 “But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?” I do. I have driven 600 to 800 miles in one day many times, often across empty expanses of this great land, as have many millions of other Americans.
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Yup. I used to do it with relative frequency. No, most people are not road warriors and aren't doing runs like that regularly. Yes, I suppose that many people could rent a non-EV to make their occasional long trip and be fairly happy with that arrangement.

But it does add to the total cost of ownership for the EV. Rentals aren't that cheap.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (t0OGg)

118 Japan and Korea will usher in a new golden age on the sales of cars alone if this keeps up.

Where there's a buck to be made, there's a way.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (9UlRk)

119 /A grandpa in 2062.

********

What's school, grandpa?

/A kid in 2062.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (ykeLU)

120 My other online hangout has a poll question do you have a EV, just started but seeing a couple comments can't wait to get one.
It is a world wide website but mostly English speaking

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (bx3Pl)

121 I remember a school went to all electric Busses and they had to Sell them off because in the Winter the busses could not finish their routes, because the cold saps the battery something like 30-40% they were told that to get the best charge is all the busses would have to be in a heated Garage to protected them from the cold.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (7hDf4)
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Sounds like a major energy and total system pollution saving to me...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (t0OGg)

122 It is astounding to watch the left, working through the bureacracy, convince the entire auto manufacturing industry to commit suicide. They think they're too big to fail - but they're not. Neither is this economic system.

See my #18.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (eOEVl)

123 113 "I could have cleaned up Fulton County's election machinery, but then I got high."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

My theory is that GA and AZ GOP are so hostile to cleaning up elections because it would reveal that their own folks have been criminally ~~negligent and incompetent~~ complicit in managing county election offices as well.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (wmDcS)

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FIFY.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

124 For local driving, an EV can work. Eve the worst range ones will give you enough to get to work and back, and then be ready to go the next day with overnight charging. So it's not a totally awful idea. It could work for some people. And it does work for some people. Key word SOME.

But there's no way in hell it will be viable for the masses. At least not for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (OalnH)

125 That trip I grabbed a Total Nuclear Annihilation and a Harlem Globetrotters that I did a Playfield Swap on this winter.

It is about to go into the woodshop to get a cabinet restoration, along with my Elvira and the Party Monsters.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (UBUkf)

126 A free case of Bud Light would help move those E-150's off the lot.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (Sv58p)

127 97 Twitter financial genius: Disney was at 199.2 in 2021, yesterday it hit 99.4! A new 5 year high! In your face DeSantis!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (izUXO)
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A snort then a golf clap then a LOL. Well played Mt. Trophy. Well played indeed.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (17s+e)

128 Parking garage full of EVs collapsed and burning would be right up there with that ship full of EVs burning, Except in the heart of downtown.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (dCe1c)

129
If the EV transition were to take place, that would place an awful burden on roads...

…and parking garages.

I wonder about bridges filled with bumper to bumper slow moving traffic.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (enJYY)

130 Of course it is possible to get an EV vehicle from Orange to El Paso. The most practical way of doing that is putting it on a vehicle trailer and hauling it there with a Diesel powered truck.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (CecP5)

131 Not to add gas to the fire, Ford will be unveiling the 4 door mustang next year.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death

Porsche went sedan and SUV in the 2000's. None of this is surprising.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (jzzG8)

132 "I learned the hard way that sometimes you need to choose between staying warm and maximizing range."

They need to issue a Mr. Buddy heater with each EV they sell. AC would be a little harder. (they used to say you get same gas mileage with windows up and AC on, as with windows down ... due to air flow and all that)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (Cus5s)

133 I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??
Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (88xKn)

I usually see them in hotel parking lots... for some reason.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (GYIa4)

134 The good news is, the charging stations vending machines will be well stocked with grasshopper chips for you to munch on while you wait!

Posted by: Asa Hutchinson (R-WMT) at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (fs1hN)

135 83 Your reminder that pushing EVs and killing internal combustion engine vehicles isn't about "the climate", or even just rent seekers running a scam. It's about destroying the ability of Americans to travel at will.
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Yep, like always, the only free people in America are the illegals.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (C7jzY)

136 FIFY.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

I think there's some of that, but a lot more of it is simply that people were too lazy or stupid to properly train workers, clean voter rolls, etc., and that the money earmarked for those activities went into someone's pocket instead.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (wmDcS)

137 >>>Do EVs have a virtue signal?

Posted by: NL

>Only when the navigation system is jammed by the microwave tower designed into a cop car and it crashes into the cop car.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (KVGVf)

138 Very nice thread. But, they are not deterred:

Military dot com, 9 Nov 2021: Electric Military Vehicles Are Part of Biden Climate Agenda, Pentagon Says

Fox News, 2 days ago: Department of Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said Wednesday that she supports efforts from the Biden administration to require the U.S. military to implement an all-electric vehicle fleet by 2030, telling lawmakers that she believes "we can get there."

They're gonna take & p*ss through our $ making a show of EVs & many other alleged environmental/infrastructure projects though they're well aware of hazards even from the micromobilty vehicles. "Mayor Adams Announces Plan to Combat Lithium-Ion Battery Fires, Promote Safe Electric Micromobility Usage" March 20, 2023

It's excuses; making work; grifting; support their family, friends & frenemies... all imo. Can we survive 'til BBB.

Posted by: Lola - ALL of the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra and Jade, too. at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (GshMh)

139 121 I remember a school went to all electric Busses and they had to Sell them off because in the Winter the busses could not finish their routes, because the cold saps the battery something like 30-40% they were told that to get the best charge is all the busses would have to be in a heated Garage to protected them from the cold.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:17 AM (7hDf4)
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Can an EV be run on idle to warm up on a cold day?

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (eGTCV)

140 “But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?” I do. I have driven 600 to 800 miles in one day many times, often across empty expanses of this great land, as have many millions of other Americans."

me and two roommates in my college days did 1100 miles in 17 hours once -- best time we ever made, and yeah most of it was on I-20 turning into I--10. We made 2 10 minute pit stops for gas and bathroom breaks, and since there were 3 of us we could change out drivers every 6 hours.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (i9ffA)

141 Protip: use a diesel heater to warm up your EV to conserve range.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (izUXO)

142 133 I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??
Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 11:07 AM (88xKn)

I usually see them in hotel parking lots... for some reason.
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I've seen a couple in shopping center parking lots. I have never seen them being used, though.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (C7jzY)

143 Praise Gaia for the beneficial fires! Better than carbon fires!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

Each EV that goes up in flames is a holocaust in honor of the Goddess Gaia and her designated representatives in flesh, here on Earth, Sta Greta and St Algore.
Praise be to the Mother, may she wipe the stain of her children from the Universe!

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (xhaym)

144 I suspect it would take days to drive from Orange to El Paso. You know, the way people did in covered wagons.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (J2vNu)

145 136 FIFY.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

I think there's some of that, but a lot more of it is simply that people were too lazy or stupid to properly train workers, clean voter rolls, etc., and that the money earmarked for those activities went into someone's pocket instead.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (wmDcS)

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Corruption? In government? At the local level where no one really pays attention?

Next think you'll tell me is that professional wrestling is rigged.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (LvTSG)

146 Between Ford firing a bunch of folks to "rightsize" itself to produce EV's and my unpleasant experience with a rental ICE Explorer, I don't see Ford surviving as a viable entity much longer.

The Explorer proudly displayed what I would call design features that looked smart to designers but don't play well out in the real world. Automatic hi-beams that surprise and blind you when they unexpectedly pop on and you get blinded by signs that suddenly illuminate too much, auto-hold brakes that affix the vehicle to one spot anytime you stop, a dial gear shift that makes it stupidly easy to put the vehicle in park while you're still moving, etc.

Flaming hot garbage.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (ZSK0i)

147 “But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?” I do. I have driven 600 to 800 miles in one day many times, often across empty expanses of this great land, as have many millions of other Americans.

Dallas to Chicago & Dallas to Toronto. Yeah. BTDT.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (piAIU)

148 I usually see them in hotel parking lots... for some reason.

Not a bad plan.

"5 hours to charge?! Fuck it, I'll get a room for the night."

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (wmDcS)

149 132 "I learned the hard way that sometimes you need to choose between staying warm and maximizing range."

They need to issue a Mr. Buddy heater with each EV they sell. AC would be a little harder. (they used to say you get same gas mileage with windows up and AC on, as with windows down ... due to air flow and all that)
Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2023 11:19 AM (Cus5s)

Progress!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (KbCG3)

150 143 Each EV that goes up in flames is a holocaust in honor of the Goddess Gaia and her designated representatives in flesh, here on Earth, Sta Greta and St Algore.
Praise be to the Mother, may she wipe the stain of her children from the Universe!
Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (xhaym)

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I love it when people talk real, hard science talk.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (LvTSG)

151 Twitter financial genius: Disney was at 199.2 in 2021, yesterday it hit 99.4! A new 5 year high! In your face DeSantis!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Meanwhile, in the same time period, Chevron went from 95 to 170.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (lTGtQ)

152 I call bullshit!

Report: Biden Is Only Functional Six Hours A Day, Five Days A Week

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (FVME7)

153 100 The automotive press are bought and paid for whores promoting EVs.
Posted by: mr tmz

This. I used to subscribe to Fast Lane Truck. They now get all giddy about testing new EV trucks and how progressive they are. They probably took up drinking Bud Lite too. Effing homos.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (N5C4b)

154 The dream:

all the car companies get together, like OPEC, and tell the government to piss up a rope. Internal combustion engines now, tomorrow, and forever.
Posted by: DB - jockeying for position at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (geLO

The reality: they get their marching orders from the WEF, same as the politicians.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (GYIa4)

155 EVs have their place, and that place is not really for road trips.

Who told you you should be able to leave the city?

Posted by: The Elites at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (ptElO)

156 People who push mass adoption of EV cars have never driven more than 500 miles in a single direction.

I've driven in my personal vehicle 4,000 in a week. You just don't realize how big this country is-- and how small even the biggest cites are-- until you've seen seen both oceans in a single trip by car.
But the big cities so dominate our culture now, every other view is crowded out to the expense that they think everyone lives in cities.
They're not just bad a science and math--neither support EVs-- they're bad at reality.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (5EnGD)

157
Dallas to Chicago & Dallas to Toronto. Yeah. BTDT.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (piAIU)

Calgary to Winnipeg

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (eGTCV)

158 Report: Biden Is Only Functional Six Hours A Day, Five Days A Week
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (FVME7)
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Biden is an EV commuter car?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (t0OGg)

159 This morning my wife told me she saw an article by a woman who had her own EV charger set up in her garage. The ones who did it put her location on line as somewhere you could get charged. People were showing up and demanding they be allowed to use it.

Just one more reason.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (TgBWG)

160 151 Twitter financial genius: Disney was at 199.2 in 2021, yesterday it hit 99.4! A new 5 year high! In your face DeSantis!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Meanwhile, in the same time period, Chevron went from 95 to 170.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 28, 2023 11:21 AM (lTGtQ)

I've ridden Exxon from 80 to its now 119 in that same time period.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:23 AM (KbCG3)

161 I've often driven 800+ miles in a day. Once was from El Paso to Little Rock. West Texas, or most anywhere between the Sierras and the Great Plains, is where EVs would go to die. Too much distance between charging stations, and not cost effective to put in isolated areas between towns. Also many steep grades that put the lie to "expected range".

Posted by: ex-Commiefornian at April 28, 2023 11:23 AM (gcfs2)

162 >>me and two roommates in my college days did 1100 miles in 17 hours once -- best time we ever made

In college I used to drive Audis across the Highline from NJ to Seattle.

Best time I ever made from Bernardsville NJ to Seattle was just under 42 hours. Solo driving. W/ a forced stop in Wyoming to wait for the gates to open on 90.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:23 AM (UBUkf)

163 Their is some guy on Youtube that finds people using extension cords from their apartments to charge their cars, The extension cord they use is not made for it and is extremely hot to the touch, You are gonna see apartments burn down over this.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:23 AM (7hDf4)

164 As a Mustang owner and enthusiast, with all due respect, the Mach-E is not -- in any way -- a Mustang. It's an abomination, in the same vein as the Mustang II line of Pinto XLs or the 4-cylinder Probe of the 80s.

The Mock-E is aptly named and deserves all the respect its sales figures would imply it is owed.

Posted by: red speck at April 28, 2023 11:23 AM (Ny/Va)

165 This morning my wife told me she saw an article by a woman who had her own EV charger set up in her garage. The ones who did it put her location on line as somewhere you could get charged. People were showing up and demanding they be allowed to use it.

Just one more reason.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (TgBWG)

They wouldn't like my response to them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

166 149 132 Some early cars, after the brass era, had a metal box under the seat for a heated brick. Keeps the feet warm.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (lz5hY)

167 There isn't going to be an explosion of EV's or some sort of breakthrough tech to make them drivable. Everyone knows this. The idea is to reduce the number of conventional trucks and cars as low as possible and keep the population from moving around at will.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 28, 2023 11:09 AM (Q4IgG)

Youtube keeps putting videos about the latest "revolutionary" battery tech, or fusion, or whatever that will change everything. People with no scientific or technical knowledge buy into it.

100 mile carburetor that runs on water... SSDD.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (GYIa4)

168 dang, left Orange TX in 64. why would anyone be there now?
Posted by: henry at April 28, 2023

***
The Waffle House?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (J2vNu)

169 “But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?” I do. I have driven 600 to 800 miles in one day many times, often across empty expanses of this great land, as have many millions of other Americans.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Add me to the list of high mileage days.
800m is a short day of driving (or riding a MC) for both of us.
EVs just don't cut it.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (gUvIq)

170 I just had a rental Chevy Tahoe that would not let me put it in gear until my seatbelt was fastened.

Screw these guys. I always wear my seatbelt but screw them all the same. The government did not mandate that, Chevy just decided to handcuff their idiot customers for their own good.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (lEF02)

171 Wal Mart parking lots also seem to have chargers these days.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (UBUkf)

172 159 This morning my wife told me she saw an article by a woman who had her own EV charger set up in her garage. The ones who did it put her location on line as somewhere you could get charged. People were showing up and demanding they be allowed to use it.

Just one more reason.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (TgBWG)

Lefties went nuts over white women posting pics of their pantries. Just wait until these AWFLs start showing off their charging stations.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (KbCG3)

173
***
The Waffle House?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 28, 2023 11:24 AM (J2vNu)

Or, as I like to call them, Tiger's Deli and Meat Market.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

174 The other thing with EV's is that they have an 800v power rail.

I can't wait to see unsuspecting people getting electrocuted when all of the rust and corrosion of, say, a 10 year old F150 Lightning, causes a zombie current or fault from deteriorating wiring, grounding out on the frame.

To paraphrase The Golden Scalp Weasel, we are being led by some very stupid people.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (kR67p)

175 When Biden announced his ban on gas cars a few weeks ago, the CEO of Rivian was all rah rah rah. So fuck him and his company in particular

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (OalnH)

176 Report: Biden Is Only Functional Six Hours A Day, Five Days A Week
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (FVME7)

Even 6/5 is BS. He's functional enough to go out and read some notes in a strictly controlled environment.

Posted by: Biergood at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (FQWHA)

177 This morning my wife told me she saw an article by a woman who had her own EV charger set up in her garage. The ones who did it put her location on line as somewhere you could get charged. People were showing up and demanding they be allowed to use it.

Just one more reason.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (TgBWG)
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That woman should rake her installer over hot coals for that. That system exists for a reason - so commercial establishments can make some money on the installation.

Her installer put in a commercial system for her home (maybe that's normal, but I kind of doubt it), then hooked it up to the public system and left it broadcasting.

That isn't an EV problem, that's a shitty sales and installation problem, and she should sue them over it. Or it was in an incredibly predatory contract she failed to read and understand adequately. I could see that, too. The salesman told her, "it will be half price if you do X," but didn't really explain what "X" would mean.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (t0OGg)

178 Each EV that goes up in flames is a holocaust in honor of the Goddess Gaia

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Lightning has struck the Columbia gulf gas pipeline causing a massive fiery explosion

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Yet some people still don't believe in Zeus!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (FVME7)

179 118 Japan and Korea will usher in a new golden age on the sales of cars alone if this keeps up.

Where there's a buck to be made, there's a way.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2023 11:18 AM (9UlRk)

Ford isn't making any ICE sedans anymore, just EVs, SUVs and trucks. I'm seeing more Genesis cars on the road in CT. Kia has pretty much replaced many other USA models on the roads here. The Korean companies seem to do a great job catering to the market here. It's a shame that the Big Three just left the market open for them to sell to.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (/iWhV)

180 Good luck when you hit I-10 west of SA. There's a reason the speed limit goes to 85 -- nothing out there. Not even a Buccee's. And it's hot most of the year, so you'll need that AC.

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (25k9m)

181 172 159 This morning my wife told me she saw an article by a woman who had her own EV charger set up in her garage. The ones who did it put her location on line as somewhere you could get charged. People were showing up and demanding they be allowed to use it.

Just one more reason.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (TgBWG)

Lefties went nuts over white women posting pics of their pantries. Just wait until these AWFLs start showing off their charging stations.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (KbCG3)

Phrasing!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (KbCG3)

182 It's going to be pretty funny when the blue states that have mandated only EV s then have to ban EVs because EVs are so dangerous.

I'm sure somehow, in someway this too will be Trump and MAGA replublicans' fault.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (17s+e)

183 EVs are being developed for the Moon and Mars colonies.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (KVGVf)

184 Hah! Last time I was there Glendive had one building adjacent to the Exit. Gas / General Store / Post Office.

Now there are 3-4 Brand New Hotels, a Couple Travel Stations and 2 Seasonal Restaurants right at the exit.

Crazy.

The Chargers are behind the Hotels about 150 yards off the HWY.
Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (UBUkf)

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Looks to be 3.5 miles between the two, so if anyone is planning on visiting both sites and is traveling east on I-94, they'd better reconsider since they might not make it to Dickenson or Miles City for their next recharge.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (xxG/v)

185 164 As a Mustang owner and enthusiast, with all due respect, the Mach-E is not -- in any way -- a Mustang. It's an abomination, in the same vein as the Mustang II line of Pinto XLs or the 4-cylinder Probe of the 80s.

The Mock-E is aptly named and deserves all the respect its sales figures would imply it is owed.
Posted by: red speck at April 28, 2023 11:23 AM (Ny/Va)

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No True ~~Scotsman~~ Mustang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

186 * or west, if they're traveling to Miles City

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at April 28, 2023 11:26 AM (xxG/v)

187 I drove from Corvallis Oregon to Anaheim California in less than 16 hours back in 1992 in a 1980 mazda 626. That trip involved multiple fuel ups and driver swaps. We pulled shifts, you had to drive until a quarter tank or less before you got to rest. The fuel stops took less than 10 minutes. An EV would have taken more than twice as long.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 28, 2023 11:26 AM (h1jJh)

188
Even 6/5 is BS. He's functional enough to go out and read some notes in a strictly controlled environment.
Posted by: Biergood at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (FQWHA)

Where is his plug in?

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:26 AM (eGTCV)

189 Eff Biden, when is someone going to demand proof of life for McTurtle?

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 11:27 AM (N5C4b)

190 159 Posted by: Eeyore at April 28, 2023 11:22 AM (TgBWG)

and again....it is MORE expensive per mile most days....

people have been sold this notion like with solar that EV's are "free motion."

Well "no."

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 11:27 AM (Lzpvj)

191 They're in-town cars and fun sports cars.

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You want that, get a plug-in hybrid. Anyone who pays $65,000 for an EV that you can never realistically drive more than 50 miles when you can get a perfectly good plugin hybrid is the stupidest fucking moonbat simpy soyfaggot karenbot on the fucking planet. Go die already

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 28, 2023 11:27 AM (VTu1l)

192 182 It's going to be pretty funny when the blue states that have mandated only EV s then have to ban EVs because EVs are so dangerous.

___

This is literally what happened with plastic shopping bags. The left hated paper bags cuz paper = cutting down trees. So they went all in on plastic bags to save the trees. Until 5 minutes later, plastic became evil and they banned those to go back to paper bags, which will save the trees I think?

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:28 AM (OalnH)

193 I'm not an EV fan by any means, and particularly not of this top-down jackbooted force-feeding of a ridiculous "solution" to a non-existent problem. Still, it would be remiss in this litany of laughing at EV sales figures not to point out that the Tesla Model Y is now the 4th best-selling vehicle in the States, behind only the unassailable Big3 pickups.

Posted by: spindrift at April 28, 2023 11:28 AM (ivvNA)

194 ... I can't wait to see unsuspecting people getting electrocuted when all of the rust and corrosion of, say, a 10 year old F150 Lightning, causes a zombie current or fault from deteriorating wiring, grounding out on the frame. ...
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (kR67p)
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I am less worried about that than with the various other problems. The EV manufacturers - Tesla foremost among them - have designed extremely clever, fast and (apparently - though time will tell) reliable fuses to deal with this. There has been a lot of innovation in fuses because of this problem.

The newest type of high-current, high-speed EV fuses I have seen are incendiary. They use a small explosive charge adapted from airbag technology to literally blow the current rail apart if it detects a current leak or similar fault. They are pretty bad-ass and seem to work extremely well.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)

195 On said website someone answered they have I think a 2017 Nissan, I am going to ask his daily milage estimate.
For most part I do just less than 20 miles one way, bit it does vary a lot, can be just over 30 often

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 11:28 AM (bx3Pl)

196 EV from Orange to El Paso, guarantee the EV gets stuck in Fort Stockton.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (OgrpQ)

197 192 182 It's going to be pretty funny when the blue states that have mandated only EV s then have to ban EVs because EVs are so dangerous.

___

This is literally what happened with plastic shopping bags. The left hated paper bags cuz paper = cutting down trees. So they went all in on plastic bags to save the trees. Until 5 minutes later, plastic became evil and they banned those to go back to paper bags, which will save the trees I think?

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:28 AM (OalnH)

Think food deserts are bad? Just wait until we get those lovable energy deserts.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (KbCG3)

198 My cousin routinely drove N., indiana to hazard, ky in SIX HOURS.

Posted by: CiceroKaboom! Kid at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (3Or4S)

199 >>* or west, if they're traveling to Miles City

Was gonna say...

but, yeah. I remember thinking - "Chargers. Cool. Where can you possibly get to on a single charge, though?"

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (UBUkf)

200 191 They're in-town cars and fun sports cars.

**********************

You want that, get a plug-in hybrid. Anyone who pays $65,000 for an EV that you can never realistically drive more than 50 miles when you can get a perfectly good plugin hybrid is the stupidest fucking moonbat simpy soyfaggot karenbot on the fucking planet. Go die already
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 28, 2023 11:27 AM (VTu1l)

If you really care about the environment, buy a used car instead of an EV.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (/iWhV)

201 When will EVs get called racist?

Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (eGTCV)

202 That instant acceleration is nice in an EV. But while it's fast, there's something about feeling and hearing the engine that is part of the sports car experience. Then again I also still drive a manual transmission sports car, so I'm just a weirdo I guess.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (OalnH)

203 EVs are not actual track cars though right? Don't they fare poorly when being asked to rapidly cycle to peak demand over and over rapidly?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (lEF02)

204 We drove straight from Lake Charles, LA to Denver in 17 hours. Well it would have been 17 hours but we got stuck in the Raton pass for 4 hours when the car shut down . Being mechanical geniuses we didn't think about the elevation change and having the car flood.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (ZB6WQ)

205 Rivian = Solyndra

Posted by: 7man at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (qwO6y)

206 Still, it would be remiss in this litany of laughing at EV sales figures not to point out that the Tesla Model Y is now the 4th best-selling vehicle in the States, behind only the unassailable Big3 pickups.

If they're that popular, they don't need a subsidy.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (eOEVl)

207 Good luck when you hit I-10 west of SA. There's a reason the speed limit goes to 85 -- nothing out there. Not even a Buccee's. And it's hot most of the year, so you'll need that AC.

Posted by: brak
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One trip to Texas, a buddy and I rented a Lincoln Towncar to drive down to Corpus to look at property, get, and have a good time. Something was wrong with the speedo in it. I'm driving and my buddy says "Hey let's get there today." as the speedo was showing I was only going 43MPH. So I stomp on the accelerator and got the thing up to 55 and the white line was now solid. We had to be going 110. We made great time on long stretches down to South Padre.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (17s+e)

208 EV's are toys, not cars. If you are going to rely on one you will be sorely disappointed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (flINI)

209 Yes, this is all designed to force the peasants to stay in place, where the public transportation; trains to send them to the camps, are their only means of transportation. In case you haven't figured it out Goldfinger's line applies to what the elites intend for us.

"No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die."

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (CecP5)

210 Don't worry, the Dealership will show you how to de-rate your extension cords so they don't catch the insulation on fire.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (KVGVf)

211 201 When will EVs get called racist?
Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (eGTCV)

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Fund a disparate impact study to see the racial makeup of EV car owners.

Of course, the end result will be calls for free EVs to black people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

212 Can an EV be run on idle to warm up on a cold day?
Posted by: NL at April 28, 2023 11:20 AM (eGTCV)

Yes but is loses charge, they have have a sweet spot, they can't be too hot or too cold

People have taken the Rivian off road and they get stranded because the battery can't calculate how much battery is left because off road use is different from road use and people are getting stranded until they get a generator to charge it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (Mg0O7)

213 As my own little protest against EVs, I bought a Aston Martin V8 Vantage two weeks ago. Premium gas and lots of it.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (VP9ao)

214 EVs are not actual track cars though right? Don't they fare poorly when being asked to rapidly cycle to peak demand over and over rapidly?
Posted by: TexasDan at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (lEF02)

Their is an EV Grand Prix race circuit.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (ZB6WQ)

215 Just wait until everyone figures out where electricity actually comes from.

"YOU DRIVE A GAS/COAL-FIRED 'ELECTRIC' VEHICLE, YOU PREENING COMMIE FUCKSTICK!

Posted by: Sharkman at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (SSbWm)

216 If you really care about the environment, buy a used car instead of an EV.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (/iWhV)

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If you REALLY care, then walk or bike. That's the funny part about all this. EVs create the same amount of pollution as a gas car. It's just the pollution is created "over there" instead of "over here". As long as 6 year old children working the African mines get hurt instead of their air, all good!!

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (OalnH)

217 e. Then again I also still drive a manual transmission sports car, so I'm just a weirdo I guess.
Posted

I don't think so. Not long ago there were hardly any manual transmission's available.

Now the new Bronco has them, the new Nissan Z has them ,... I think it's a differentiator in a crowded market.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (lEF02)

218 180 Good luck when you hit I-10 west of SA. There's a reason the speed limit goes to 85 -- nothing out there. Not even a Buccee's. And it's hot most of the year, so you'll need that AC.
Posted by: brak at April 28, 2023 11:25 AM (25k9m)

I remember the stretch between El Paso and Van Horn especially - better have at least half a tank of gas before starting off on it, because it's about 2 hours without even a single buildin g on the side of the road, anywhere. Look up the word "desolate", there'll be a picture of that place.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (i9ffA)

219 It took me about 3 nanoseconds to figure out that I'd be better off sinking my cash in a current vehicle renovation rather than buying a new vehicle of any type. My 2001 GMC Sierra only has 168,000 miles on it. A v8 5.3L Vortec, 4WD, and the 2001 styling is a lot classier than the current GMC grills.

Posted by: mrp at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (rj6Yv)

220
Their is an EV Grand Prix race circuit.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (ZB6WQ)

Formula-E is the dumbest shit ever.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

221 The idea isn't to get everyone to drive an ev. The idea is to get everyone to stop driving. Outlaw ICE vehicles, and make evs so shitty you sell your property and move into an apartment in a 15 minute zone.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (izUXO)

222 The resale/trade in value for EVs will be lit. A fire sale.

Posted by: 7man at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (qwO6y)

223 209 Yes, this is all designed to force the peasants to stay in place, where the public transportation; trains to send them to the camps, are their only means of transportation.

But of course, Our Moral Betters will go anywhere at any time, free from having to look at the rabble.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (4olE8)

224 Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (VP9ao)

Classic jwest !!! LOL

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (ZB6WQ)

225 When I was in grad school in the Midwest, I drove to the West several times doing shift driving - one person drives, the other person sleeps, and you trade off driving.

Imagine trying to do that in an EV.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (2tUFv)

226 So I stomp on the accelerator and got the thing up to 55 and the white line was now solid. We had to be going 110. We made great time on long stretches down to South Padre.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:30 AM (17s+e)
++++
Wound it up to a hundred-and-ten
My speedometer said that I hit top end
My foot was glued like lead to the floor
That's all there is and there ain't no more

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (t0OGg)

227 What do I think of EVs?

I ordered a Camaro SS1LE with a smooth as silk 6 speed manual. Great car. Great fun until they make gasoline illegal.

They’ll never make gas cost prohibitive because I only need to drive it 500 miles annually to enjoy it.,,, enough. In other cases, I just enjoy looking it it.

My black Barchetta.

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (tnaa6)

228 You haven't lived until you have crossed Texas in August in a Split Window VW Bus putting out a ribald 32 HP!

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (UBUkf)

229 Doesn't DoD have a deadline for converting our armored divisions to all electric? How about the Navy?
Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (AwYPR

Lexington and Saratoga, and the oilers that received the power plants from the cancelled Lexington class battle cruisers, had turbo-electric drive. Does that count?

Posted by: Fox2! at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (wUe0m)

230 One of these manufacturers should snap up the on-leave AB marketing genius to design a new ad campaign!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (RG6z4)

231 >>>Their is an EV Grand Prix race circuit.

Posted by: polynikes

>Do they swap out the batteries on pitstops? Are the pit crews protected against arc flash?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (KVGVf)

232 If you REALLY care, then walk or bike. That's the funny part about all this. EVs create the same amount of pollution as a gas car. It's just the pollution is created "over there" instead of "over here". As long as 6 year old children working the African mines get hurt instead of their air, all good!!

I think you're forgetting the Strategic Unicorn Fart Reserve. Biden just topped that off.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (eOEVl)

233 Our local electric CO-OP had an article in their monthly rag about EV's. Basically it laid out the gear that would be required, depending on your type of EV, how much juice it would need, and how fast you want to charge it. They went on to warn customers that not everyone could; 1 afford the charging gear and costs, 2 not every location was suitable for a charging station and, 3 insurance on the home would likely increase.

Seriously... call your homeowner's insurance and tell your agent you want to put an EV charger inside your garage for your spiffy new EV's. Ask what sort of change to your premium that's gonna' run.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (Q4IgG)

234 An anagram of DeSantis is

St Disnea

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (OtKW+)

235 Depending on the corporate culture, the cuts are to deadweight sectors that are not contributing to the bottom line currently and aren't seen to be profitable near term, are customer enhancement positions for internal and external customers that won't cause sales losses for the main products, or "Not the bosses kids or their besties"
Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (xhaym)

They listed a lot of engineering positions... I'm guessing that their corporate culture is different.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (GYIa4)

236 221 The idea isn't to get everyone to drive an ev. The idea is to get everyone to stop driving. Outlaw ICE vehicles, and make evs so shitty you sell your property and move into an apartment in a 15 minute zone.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (izUXO)

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Sell? Comrade, we will simply take.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (OalnH)

237 And do that cross-Texas drive on a hot, rainy, humid day when comfort and safety require headlights, wipers and air conditioning.

Posted by: Hank Archer at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (PTUvb)

238 Lefties went nuts over white women posting pics of their pantries. Just wait until these AWFLs start showing off their charging stations.
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We need to get Don LeMon on this, ASAP!

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (C7jzY)

239
>Do they swap out the batteries on pitstops? Are the pit crews protected against arc flash?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (KVGVf)

Formula-E. They have a mandatory pitstop 1/2 way through the race to swap CARS. The stop can be no SHORTER than 2 minutes as they want to make sure you get your seat belt securely fastened before departing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

240 @194

>>They are pretty bad-ass and seem to work extremely well.

True, but there still is a possibility of a human hand contacting and conducting 800v through their body to ground.

You're car potentially electrocuting you was a concern most people never had to worry about.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (kR67p)

241 This busty bikini blonde knows the downsides, but really enjoys the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of her boyfriend's EV sports car:
https://is.gd/2C5bsY

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

242 Their is an EV Grand Prix race circuit.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (ZB6WQ)

and its as popular as the WNBA. Driver won a race and tried to spin a donut and the car could not do it.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (OgrpQ)

243 Just wait until everyone figures out where electricity actually comes from.

Why out of the wall you silly. Just like meat comes from the store.

Posted by: Typical Democrat at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (17s+e)

244 As people have noted, the Elites don't really think that EVs will work, but they want to ban cars, so they tell the Peasants that only gas-powered cars will be banned, but they can still use EVs.

The Peasants can find out later that EVs don't actually work, and that it impossible to expand the electrical system enough to accommodate EVs, given environmental constraints.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (2tUFv)

245 40 years ago, someone ran the numbers and determined you could put the whole world's population in Texas in families of 4 on 1 acre lots.
If we were serious about climate change-- and seriously believe man is the cause--Pol Pot is the solution.
And they're serious about it and seriously believe man in the cause.

Watch Dr. Lizden on Jordan Peterson's podcast. There were things I didn't know.
Like: The UN report doesn't say at all what the activists and politicians say; the most doomsday models assume 2-3 kw per square meter while a minor regular variation in earth's orbit results in 100+ kw per square meter changes.
The biggest was every single model handwaves away that they all utterly depend on precice, long-term and accurate fluid dynamics calculations-- that none of them are even close to having, as it's impossible with our current tech-- so instead of any calculations whatsoever, they just say, "this will happen cause we're experts."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (5EnGD)

246 They listed a lot of engineering positions... I'm guessing that their corporate culture is different.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (GYIa4)

Marks boxes for all three classes, then! "Stupid neck-beards, who needs 'em?"

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (xhaym)

247 Lexington and Saratoga, and the oilers that received the power plants from the cancelled Lexington class battle cruisers, had turbo-electric drive. Does that count?

Posted by: Fox2! at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (wUe0m)

No....batteries only.

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (AwYPR)

248 214 EVs are not actual track cars though right? Don't they fare poorly when being asked to rapidly cycle to peak demand over and over rapidly?
Posted by: TexasDan at April 28, 2023 11:29 AM (lEF02)

Their is an EV Grand Prix race circuit.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (ZB6WQ)
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Yea, where I believe they use two cars and swap them out when the batteries die. Regardless, many if not most tracks across the country are banning EVs from participating in any race or track day -- some even from the paddock area -- because when they catch fire, they cannot be put out by the equipment at the track.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (iFTx/)

249 It's God's of the Copybook Headings everywhere you look these days.

Sustainable" schemes who's major flaw are that they aren't sustainable.

Posted by: pawn at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (kYVzH)

250 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.

I say nay nay.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

251 221 The idea isn't to get everyone to drive an ev. The idea is to get everyone to stop driving. Outlaw ICE vehicles, and make evs so shitty you sell your property and move into an apartment in a 15 minute zone.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (izUXO)

Can you imagine if we're all stuck driving EVs, and we happen to engage in a bit of wrongthink? With a push of a button somewhere in DC, they can shut off your cashless money card and turn your EV into a four-wheeled brick. You'd be unable to do anything.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (/iWhV)

252 They destroyed the Mustang with that move. They NEVER have problems selling Mustangs. They abandoned the recipe and they will pay for that.
Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (UBUkf)

I wonder if they've considered shooting a commercial with Dylan Mulvaney humping one of their new cars. I'm sure it would do wonders for sales.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (GYIa4)

253 True, but there still is a possibility of a human hand contacting and conducting 800v through their body to ground.

You're car potentially electrocuting you was a concern most people never had to worry about.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (kR67p)
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True, but it's pretty unlikely. Nothing can be made completely safe, and some amount of common sense is necessary when operating any kind of machinery. The electrocution risk is real, but I don't see it as a real impediment.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)

254 Just wait until everyone figures out where electricity actually comes from.

Doesn't matter - you won't be able to afford electricity once we're done.

Posted by: The Elites! at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (2tUFv)

255 UK is trying to do 15 minute cities where you can only travel 15 minutes from your house and you have to have some type of pass, That's gonna come here.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (Mg0O7)

256 https://is.gd/2C5bsY
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

My word......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)

257 42
' It boggles my mind how this scumbag keeps getting re-elected.'

He's probably the only alternative to the D on the ballot and people either vote for him or accept some even worse democreep.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (q3iUt)

258 I remember the stretch between El Paso and Van Horn especially - better have at least half a tank of gas before starting off on it, because it's about 2 hours without even a single buildin g on the side of the road, anywhere. Look up the word "desolate", there'll be a picture of that place.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023

***
In May of '93 I drove back from Carlsbad, NM, to San Antonio. That opening stretch of highway until it joined I-10, I think Dwight Yoakam's song "A Thousand Miles From Nowhere" was inspired by that. (And I had it on cassette, and played it as I drove.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (J2vNu)

259 I drove 16 hours straight from Houston to Iowa City, IA multiple times when in school. In a 5 speed pickup with no cruise and no AC. I would do it overnight to stay cool since no AC. That would have taken days in an EV.

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2023 11:36 AM (25k9m)

260 This busty bikini blonde knows the downsides, but really enjoys the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of her boyfriend's EV sports car:
https://is.gd/2C5bsY

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

She can paddle my board anytime.

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (AwYPR)

261 I see an opportunity for moonshiners and engines designed for ethanol.

Bo and Luke and Jessie will publish a manifesto about revenuers and make a killing.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (KVGVf)

262 260 This busty bikini blonde knows the downsides, but really enjoys the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of her boyfriend's EV sports car:
https://is.gd/2C5bsY

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

She can paddle my board anytime.
Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (AwYPR)

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Sounds painful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (LvTSG)

263 Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (OgrpQ)

I only became aware watching some educational channel show. In the show I recall they talked about the difficulty in transporting the vehicles to the next race.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (ZB6WQ)

264 Idk. I really like the Teslas I have driven. I also like the idea of electric cars. Beautiful machines. They go like hell too.

I don't own one though as I understand the extent of infrastructure development needed before it works.

I want an electric sports car though. I really do.

I also want a big ass diesel truck.

And a nuclear powered car and Zepplin.

And a T14 Armata.

And a Kamaz Dakar Rally truck.

And the Heather Nauert of 10yrs ago to fall in love with me.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (RasQQ)

265 Can you imagine if we're all stuck driving EVs, and we happen to engage in a bit of wrongthink? With a push of a button somewhere in DC, they can shut off your cashless money card and turn your EV into a four-wheeled brick. You'd be unable to do anything.

stop, stop

I can only get so erect

Posted by: Globalist Uniparty at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (25k9m)

266 Of course, the end result will be calls for free EVs to black people.

'Bamafords!

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (e2onP)

267 In South Africa criminals have figured out how to strip EV charging Stations of their copper wires and even electrical stations

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (Mg0O7)

268 >> I drove 16 hours straight from Houston to Iowa City, IA multiple times when in school.

Yep. Never done a Raod Trip where the first leg wasn't me driving 16+ hours before I would consider any delay.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (UBUkf)

269
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Sounds painful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (LvTSG)

A risk worth taking.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)

270 You're car potentially electrocuting you was a concern most people never had to worry about.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 28, 2023 11:34 AM (kR67p)

Imagine what hitting a chunk of bent angle-iron in the road whipping up like a can opener to your belly battery.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (xhaym)

271 They destroyed the Mustang with that move. They NEVER have problems selling Mustangs. They abandoned the recipe and they will pay for that.
Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:14 AM (UBUkf)
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This one will not do well.

The great thing about the Mustang, though, is that it has been more or less everything in its history. Muscle car, sports car, shitty subcompact with a big engine, stupid-looking EV, etc. The Mustang isn't a "pure" car like, say, the Corvette is. Fucking up a Corvette is a catastrophe for the brand. Fucking up a Mustang is just a setback because they can always try again next time. It has a different history and different meaning.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)

272 Rivian is a dead goner because the costs to build each of their bag-of-shit EVs is much much higher than they sell it for. They'll never be able to get the costs down to make any kind of profit. It was always a suckers ploy. And it worked.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (iFTx/)

273
RIP Chevy Dolt

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (pNxlR)

274 255 UK is trying to do 15 minute cities where you can only travel 15 minutes from your house and you have to have some type of pass, That's gonna come here.
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Do they have to sew the pass on their clothing?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (C7jzY)

275 The idea behind 15 minute cities is you have everything you need within that 15 min walk. But think of what that really says. You lose all choice. The only supermarket you can use is the one in your 15 min zone.

It is essentially the destruction of a free market economy. You live in Zone A, you shop in Zone A super market. Don't like Zone A market? Tough shit.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (OalnH)

276 221 The idea isn't to get everyone to drive an ev. The idea is to get everyone to stop driving. Outlaw ICE vehicles, and make evs so shitty you sell your property and move into an apartment in a 15 minute zone.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:31 AM (izUXO)

The pathway to this is simple:

Mandate EV usage/outlaw internal combustion engines.

Demand for gas/oil plummets to the point where drilling is no longer economically feasible.

At that point, whatever happens to the power grid doesn't matter. You can't flip a switch and start producing more oil. The cake is baked and whatever our infrastructure can handle it will.

Until the lefties realize where electricity comes from and make a play to then ban EVs.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (KbCG3)

277 271 The great thing about the Mustang, though, is that it has been more or less everything in its history. Muscle car, sports car, shitty subcompact with a big engine, stupid-looking EV, etc. The Mustang isn't a "pure" car like, say, the Corvette is. Fucking up a Corvette is a catastrophe for the brand. Fucking up a Mustang is just a setback because they can always try again next time. It has a different history and different meaning.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)

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True to its name, the Mustang is a mutt.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

278 And a T14 Armata.

You really DON'T want one of those. They apparently blow chunks bigtime, and eve so, the Russkis can't build them. Notice how you haven't seen them in Ukraine?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)

279 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.

I say nay nay.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

Sell the timber, lease the land...yearly.

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

280 the costs to build each of their bag-of-shit EVs is much much higher than they sell it for

We'll make it up on volume.

Posted by: Rivian! at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (2tUFv)

281 Here is what the Socialists never tell anyone: the only way to have true equity of outcomes is for everyone to be equally miserable.

Now does eating bugs and living in concrete hives make sense to you?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (CecP5)

282 The idea behind 15 minute cities is you have everything you need within that 15 min walk. But think of what that really says. You lose all choice. The only supermarket you can use is the one in your 15 min zone.

It is essentially the destruction of a free market economy. You live in Zone A, you shop in Zone A super market. Don't like Zone A market? Tough shit.

Sounds like the Hunger Games.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (eOEVl)

283 I really like to get a Jaguar XK150 and drop a newer engine in it. That car had flair.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (C7jzY)

284 278 And a T14 Armata.

You really DON'T want one of those. They apparently blow chunks bigtime, and eve so, the Russkis can't build them. Notice how you haven't seen them in Ukraine?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)

Lol ok dude. Ok. Thanks for the input.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (RasQQ)

285 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.

I say nay nay.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

"Wait. You want to cut down TREES?!?! How environmentally friendly of you."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

286 She can paddle my board anytime.
Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:37 AM (AwYPR)

***

That's , Metaphor... right?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (flINI)

287 !!% of expected sales for FORD?

How the hell are they going to make back the loss of $3 billion last year on EVs? Or the sunk costs of EV factories?

I don't have an MBA but back of the napkin figerin' says that might not happen anytime this century.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:41 AM (17s+e)

288 Notice how you haven't seen them in Ukraine?

The Russians have, in fact, started using T-14s in Ukraine.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 28, 2023 11:41 AM (2tUFv)

289 Sell the timber, lease the land...yearly.

I think you have to sign up for something like a minimum of 10 years. Also, I have real concerns about what the PVs would do to the land.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (eOEVl)

290 282 Sounds like the Hunger Games.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (eOEVl)

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Trailer for the prequel:

https://tinyurl.com/4rer67j4

The book was kind of terrible, so I'm not expecting much from the movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

291 Imagine what hitting a chunk of bent angle-iron in the road whipping up like a can opener to your belly battery.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:38 AM (xhaym)

If it is not mine, I want to watch. I would buy a ticket.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (RasQQ)

292 If you've ever been around Tesla owners, they're as bad as millennials with a cell phone at 10%--where's an outlet?! Anyone have a plug-in?!

They're always having to search for a plug everywhere they go.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (5EnGD)

293 Eye-aitch-ten? What happened to I-10?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (tkR6S)

294 I really like to get a Jaguar XK150 and drop a newer engine in it. That car had flair.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (C7jzY)

https://is.gd/iQzjEk

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (Zz0t1)

295 "Wait. You want to cut down TREES?!?! How environmentally friendly of you."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
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I was on a trip with my folks several years go (5 or 7, maybe) and we were in the neighborhood - roughly - of where they used to live a long time ago. We drove past their house and through the little town and its outskirts.

As we made our way around a curve, a vast hillside in what was dense, mountainous forest had been totally covered with solar panels - at least several acres of them. The house at the top of the hill was still there, and it was probably their solar installation.

My mom literally gasped and shouted, "They've ruined it, the vandals!" it was like something out of a movie.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)

296 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.

How much lumber do you get when you cut down a mature solar panel? And where do you buy the seedlings?

The land is ALREADY solar-powered.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 11:43 AM (ptElO)

297
Sounds like the Hunger Games.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (eOEVl)

Judge Dredd - Mega City 1

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 28, 2023 11:43 AM (OgrpQ)

298 Why out of the wall you silly. Just like meat comes from the store.
Posted by: Typical Democrat at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (17s+e)

Corn comes in cans.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (+Wcyp)

299 The Russians have, in fact, started using T-14s in Ukraine.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 28, 2023 11:41 AM (2tUFv)

you mean both of the ones they've actually built?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (i9ffA)

300 Here is what the Socialists never tell anyone: the only way to have true equity of outcomes is for everyone to be equally miserable.

Now does eating bugs and living in concrete hives make sense to you?
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (CecP5)

The greatest Vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The greatest virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of misery. --WC

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (ZB6WQ)

301 When my son was getting care at the Shriner's Hospital in Minneapolis I would drive from our location about 12 miles from the eastern WY border to Minneapolis starting very early in the morning, go to appointments all the next morning then drive back right after, getting home in the wee hours of the morning then go to work so I would only have to take 2 days off. If I had one of those things I would have had to take a week off.

Yep. They don't care about people.

Like at all.

Posted by: Just Lily at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (nB5FL)

302 282 The idea behind 15 minute cities is you have everything you need within that 15 min walk. But think of what that really says. You lose all choice. The only supermarket you can use is the one in your 15 min zone.

It is essentially the destruction of a free market economy. You live in Zone A, you shop in Zone A super market. Don't like Zone A market? Tough shit.

Sounds like the Hunger Games.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (eOEVl)
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Cities are already pretty much like that now. 99% of people shop at the stores near them. That has always been the way it worked. Yes, there is some choice and competition, but that is slowly being driven away by consolidation in the brick-and-mortar stores, bankruptcy in the BM stores, and increasing competition from on-line. I think 90% of shopping will be done online in 10-15 years.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

303 The idea behind 15 minute cities is you have everything you need within that 15 min walk. But think of what that really says. You lose all choice. The only supermarket you can use is the one in your 15 min zone.

It is essentially the destruction of a free market economy. You live in Zone A, you shop in Zone A super market. Don't like Zone A market? Tough shit.

Sounds like the Hunger Games.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:40 AM (eOEVl)

"St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store."

Posted by: mrp at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (rj6Yv)

304 289" Sell the timber, lease the land...yearly."

I think you have to sign up for something like a minimum of 10 years. Also, I have real concerns about what the PVs would do to the land.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:42 AM (eOEVl)

Having the land's timber regularly harvested and planted would be a reasonable approach.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)

305 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.

I say nay nay.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

"Wait. You want to cut down TREES?!?! How environmentally friendly of you."
Posted by: Sponge

Yeah. Tell them to GFThemselves.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (piAIU)

306 George W was a prophet. Ethanol from switchgrass. A still in every garage.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (KVGVf)

307 The land is ALREADY solar-powered.
Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 11:43 AM (ptElO)

*blinking stunned stoner face*

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (RasQQ)

308 Rivian is a dead goner because the costs to build each of their bag-of-shit EVs is much much higher than they sell it for.
==

Stupid men. The solution is simple make one Rivian and sell it for $1 Trillion and you have solved the problem. Sell 2 Rivians and you have $1 trillion in profit.

Posted by: Janet Yellin at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (17s+e)

309 >> Imagine what hitting a chunk of bent angle-iron in the road whipping up like a can opener to your belly battery.

Christmas. 1985. My only gift was an RC replica of a Porsche Road Racer.
Spent the entire day and the next building and painting it. Took it out for it's first drive and in under 5 minutes I kicked a rock that sliced and shorted the battery pack. At full speed it burst into flames, went out of control and was run over by a neighbor.

Merry Christmas.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (UBUkf)

310 “But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?”

Yup. I come pretty close every time I drive to San Diego. From my house in Texas to the hotel in Deming is 700 miles. Because of the time change it’s a relatively easy drive. Stop off in Mason for breakfast, Fort Stockton for lunch, and Las Cruces for books.

When I drive to Michigan, the first day is to a relative’s in St. Louis. That’s almost exactly 800 miles. Because I enjoy stopping at little towns in Oklahoma and Missouri, I often break that drive up but even then it’s a 700-mile drive to St. Robert.

These are not rushed drives. They include stopping along the way to enjoy small-town diners (that don’t have EV charging stations…), bookstores, and antique shops.

I’ve seen the video logs of a few EV early adopters in the 8-bit community, and I can’t imagine stopping only for food when there’s an EV station nearby. They seem to focus on fast food and national chains.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 28, 2023 11:45 AM (EXyHK)

311 "But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?"

I imagine a lot folks can do 800 miles in a day. I do Jacksonville-Austin in one day. Always. Many times.

That's just over 1000 miles, door to door. No not at 70 mph. Sorry. Not sorry.

Got a ticket once in Louisianna somewhere. And got pulled over outside Tallahassee once. Got tagged by Air Bear, doing about 85. Patrol officer asks, "Are you in a hurry today sir?"

"Yes sir. I have a long way to drive today."

"Where are you going?"

"To Austin, to see momma."

"Just slow it down a little, and be careful."

"Thank you, sir. I will."

heh

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at April 28, 2023 11:45 AM (MkuC5)

312 Do they have to sew the pass on their clothing?

Yes I believe the preferred design is a yellow 6 pointed star with the word JUDEN underneath it. Each person also gets a tattooed serial number to identify which zone they belong in.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at April 28, 2023 11:45 AM (CecP5)

313 The idea behind 15 minute cities is you have everything you need within that 15 min walk. But think of what that really says. You lose all choice. The only supermarket you can use is the one in your 15 min zone.

Just imagine our pricing!

Posted by: The One Supermarket In Your Zone! at April 28, 2023 11:45 AM (2tUFv)

314 The Russians have, in fact, started using T-14s in Ukraine.

You're right. In the last 2 days. But they're not being used in assaults, only as mobile artillery. Manufacturing has been hindered by sanctions, among other things.

https://tinyurl.com/bd7dpcmc

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:46 AM (eOEVl)

315 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.

I say nay nay.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

1) you probably can get carbon credits for the land
2) have you looked at turpentine as a special forest product on the side?
3) get a forester (if you haven't alread) to get started on regular commercial thinnings so you have income coming in. You can at least pay for the road maintenance and spraying that way, and that lets you do small batch logging in the winter when the big forests are too muddy to work.

You can go "one big splash with a big payoff" but if you want to do yearly thinnings you got the tax assessment, roads and buy or sponsor your own private woodmill.
You would have an excuse to wear a hickory shirt and assless chaps all the time too, you sexy beast.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:46 AM (xhaym)

316 George W was a prophet. Ethanol from switchgrass. A still in every garage.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (KVGVf)

A solar powered still.

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:46 AM (AwYPR)

317 "Cities are already pretty much like that now. 99% of people shop at the stores near them. "

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I live in a city and I shop all over town. For quick bread and milk stuff, I go the closest store. But the closest store is expensive af. For big cart full of groceries I drive about 3 miles to the more reasonably priced supermarket. And Cotsco is not a 15 min walk either, I go there all the time.

15 minute cities take away that choice from me.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (OalnH)

318 What's up with the "H" letter in the designator for Interstate 10? Hybrid?

Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (DhOHl)

319 Why out of the wall you silly. Just like meat comes from the store.
Posted by: Typical Democrat at April 28, 2023 11:35 AM (17s+e)

Corn comes in cans.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2023 11:44 AM (+Wcyp)

***

I cum in a box... just not Barbies

Posted by: Ken at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (flINI)

320 What's up with the "H" letter in the designator for Interstate 10? Hybrid?
Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (DhOHl)

InterHate 10. Apropo in today's environment.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (ZSK0i)

321 I have to laugh. Last year, just about this time, I drove across Texas in a day. Left Las Cruces, NM and went across to Minden, LA (could not get a room in ??) I-10 to I-20.

Drove about 80 mph the whole way.

My son has a Telsa Model 3. It has a 300 mile range.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (5u1+1)

322 Having the land's timber regularly harvested and planted would be a reasonable approach.

That's what my Dad did for 40 years. Hooray, I'm a farmer!

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (eOEVl)

323 So, if you have an EV and there are usb charging ports for your phone, tablet etc, how much range do you lose charging your phone?

As for the challenge, I recommend they tow a generator, cause you're NOT going to find anywhere to charge in most of West Texas. And the rig guys are going to make fun of you too.

Posted by: Silentbrick at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (C2BWC)

324 For whatever reason I see A LOT of rivians near me. A weird amount. And my N=1 is that a dude I kinda see around who is an honest yo god nuke engineer (weirdo but lol) raves about his Dad's.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (RasQQ)

325 67 The Earth has spent untold millions of years making all this wonderful petroleum for us to use. It's in the ground, just waiting for us. It would be wrong to not avail ourselves of this magical Gaia-given gift.

Posted by: DB - jockeying for position at April 28, 2023 11:11 AM (geLO8
****
You mean God and 3000 years.

Posted by: Nispee ruckzel at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (TYZ3S)

326 “But Buck, who drives 800 miles in one day?” I do.

I have driven from south of Houston to north of Denver in one, very long, day multiple times. So have other family members. If the trip were even possible in an EV it would take so long that flying really would be a good trade off. Of course, TPTB don't want us hoi polloi on their airplanes getting our prole stink on everything either.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (nC+QA)

327 >97 Twitter financial genius: Disney was at 199.2 in 2021, yesterday it hit 99.4! A new 5 year high! In your face DeSantis!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 28, 2023 11:15 AM (izUXO)

Uh - clearly financial genius has no idea how to read a chart. Another public school success story!

Posted by: Heavy Meta at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (Egb5W)

328 My last trip across I10 was from El Paso to central Texas during the big storm in Feb 2021. There was a Tesla charger at the hotel in Ozona. But your EV would've ran out long before you got there. Average speed on I10 was 2~3mph from Fort Stockton to Ozona. There's another Tesla charger in Junction. Luckily there's a BBQ joint so you can get something to eat while you charge. I'm thinking between San Antonio and El Paso, there's no a lot of charging options other than the ones I mentioned. Fort Stockton, maybe. Same with Van Horn. After that? Good luck

Posted by: Stacy0311 at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (3FiQa)

329 I used to semi-routinely do Denver, CO to Memphis, TN in a single day. It's a *very* long day, but I would do it regularly. I just checked and that's 1,100 miles. Easy to do alone, much harder with a family.

But even with a family, hitting 600+ miles is easy. In a moving van as a part of two-vehicle convoy, we broke the driving days into 550-mile chunks because it was an easy and low-stress pace.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)

330 Per Tesla's online trip planner (tesla.com/trips), an Orange-to-El Paso trip in a Model Y Long-Range will take 16 hours, 3 minutes. There will be six stops at superchargers totaling just over 3 hours.

Totally agree, EVs should not be forced on the public, and for all I've seen, they're just as bad or worse on the environment once you factor in manufacturing and power generation. I still want a Tesla, just because it's a cool car and apparently a blast to drive. Now I just need the $$.

Posted by: BRWombat at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (OjZqP)

331 I've been out running errands, so I apologize if this little dig is a repeat of others...

Hybrid Haiku / Jeremy Clarkson meme:

EVs suck...oh no
Joe Xiden disappointed
Too bad...anyway

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 28, 2023 11:48 AM (CCSxw)

332 296 I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land.
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Are we talking southside VA?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (C7jzY)

333 *You would have an excuse to wear a hickory shirt and assless chaps all the time too, you sexy beast.*

Ooohhh... feel my nipples!

Posted by: Mayor Pete at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (DhOHl)

334 A still in every garage? Oh. that reminds me. New Years resolution; a hobby. Buy a still.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (5u1+1)

335 3) get a forester (if you haven't alread) to get started on regular commercial thinnings so you have income coming in. You can at least pay for the road maintenance and spraying that way, and that lets you do small batch logging in the winter when the big forests are too muddy to work.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Life in southern VA moves at a...slower pace than in the DC suburbs.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (eOEVl)

336 15 minute cities take away that choice from me.
Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:47 AM (OalnH)
++++
Freedom of choice is what you want.
Freedom from choice is what you need.

Posted by: Your Betters at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (t0OGg)

337
They're always having to search for a plug everywhere they go.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Butt plugs are TIGHT!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 28, 2023 11:50 AM (pNxlR)

338 334 A still in every garage? Oh. that reminds me. New Years resolution; a hobby. Buy a still.
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Just build one.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:50 AM (C7jzY)

339 Country is just getting more retarded by the day.

Posted by: And it's accelerating at April 28, 2023 11:50 AM (N2NOk)

340 You're right. In the last 2 days. But they're not being used in assaults, only as mobile artillery. Manufacturing has been hindered by sanctions, among other things.

Most tanks in Ukraine seem to be used as mobile artillery.

There's a Russian tradition of withholding their best tech in the initial battles. In 1941, the Germans only started encountering T-34s once they got deep into Russia - the Russian border armies didn't have them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 28, 2023 11:50 AM (2tUFv)

341 315"I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land."

Dump that land, get the cash and spend it on hookers, blow and fast cars.

You're not getting any younger.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2023 11:50 AM (VP9ao)

342 Did a tour at a Firehouse with my Cub Scouts and I asked about Electric Cars and they said they just extract the person and let it burn, they don't have anything that will snuff out the fire. Remember the Grand Tour when they crashed the electric supercar and it burned for 3 days.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (Mg0O7)

They need to think outside the box. Or inside the box, as the case may be. Big open-top dumpster, as used for building demos. Make it watertight, and place it, empty, on a flatdeck truck. Have another flatdeck staged beside it, with a zoom-boom style picker crane on it. When called out to an EV fire, the picker grabs the burning car, drops it in the box, and then the fire department pumps in enough water to immerse the battery. Haul it to the impound lot, place it on a gravel pad, and let it burn itself out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (tkR6S)

343 ++++
Freedom of choice is what you want.
Freedom from choice is what you need.
Posted by: Your Betters at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (t0OGg)

There was a dog.
He had 2 bones.
He runs around.
He drops dead.
Freedom of choice.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)

344 Are we talking southside VA?

Yup. It's near the booming metropolis of South Hill.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (eOEVl)

345 Yep. Electric vehicles are toys and fine as toys, they aren't serious any more than golf carts are serious vehicles.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (xcxpd)

346 Who drives 800 miles in a day?

Me. San Diego to SC in 3 days.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (5u1+1)

347 Choice is racist so it's best we don't have it.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (OalnH)

348 Most tanks in Ukraine seem to be used as mobile artillery.
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Are they digging them in like Iraq - Iran did?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (C7jzY)

349 341 315"I inherited about 300 acres of southern VA land planted in pine. I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately asking if I want to put solar panels on the land."

Dump that land, get the cash and spend it on hookers, blow and fast cars.

You're not getting any younger.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2023 11:50 AM (VP9ao)
_____________________

I spent most of my money on booze, babes, and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 28, 2023 11:52 AM (iFTx/)

350 Remember the Grand Tour when they crashed the electric supercar and it burned for 3 days.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 28, 2023 11:06 AM (Mg0O7)

Talk like this makes me want one even more. I am not kidding.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:52 AM (RasQQ)

351 On the general front of electrical stuff being forced on people, I'm glad I don't have to dig out from under all that snow in the California mountains using only electric equipment. I *love* my corded mower, and have an electric chain saw, but there's times that those aren't going to do job.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2023 11:52 AM (nC+QA)

352 They need to think outside the box. Or inside the box, as the case may be. Big open-top dumpster, as used for building demos. Make it watertight, and place it, empty, on a flatdeck truck. Have another flatdeck staged beside it, with a zoom-boom style picker crane on it. When called out to an EV fire, the picker grabs the burning car, drops it in the box, and then the fire department pumps in enough water to immerse the battery. Haul it to the impound lot, place it on a gravel pad, and let it burn itself out.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (tkR6S)
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Major on-site engineering requiring specialized and very expensive heavy equipment and extensive training in every locality across the land.

Seems reasonable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)

353 Dump that land, get the cash and spend it on hookers, blow and fast cars.

You're not getting any younger.

I'm really more of a reading and gardening kind of guy. Chicks really dig that.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (eOEVl)

354 15 minute cities are trying to recreate the Middle Ages where the serfs were bound to the Lord's lands, unable to travel away from it without the Lord's permission. All of these supposedly "new" ideas are in fact very, very old.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (i9ffA)

355 I was forced to fly out to Commiefornia ...worse... Groomerland ... for my wife's award ceremony. I got picked up in a tesla Uber.

It's been a while since I was in a tesla but this brand new model 3 left much to be desired. The tech, while cool was very gimmicky. I noticed the system didn't pickup the lane divider flexible posts. The materials were cheap feeling. Door cards were flexing when I pulled the door closed. The seats felt like cheap fabric.
Worst thing though... for a car that has no engine... it's awfully loud inside. Didn't remember that from the model S I rode in a while back. To carry on a conversation with the driver I had to raise my voice. My wife's 2005 Honda accord interior felt much more luxurious and better assembled.

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (JYLCN)

356 344 Are we talking southside VA?

Yup. It's near the booming metropolis of South Hill.
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I remember stopping there in the early 60s. They had a Stuckey's on a hill. It was our first break on our trip back the NC. This was before there were Interstate Highways.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (C7jzY)

357
m-m-m-my,, uh, my-uh t-toes are-uh,, are-uh, numb

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (vwCZJ)

358 One doesn't need to pay for beautoful women if one has blow. The opposite problem exists.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:54 AM (RasQQ)

359 As said above EVs are toys, would like to have a drive in one until it ran out of juice, I know I have no patience to charge it back up.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 11:54 AM (bx3Pl)

360 When the parking garages collapse under the weight of EVz, do the batteries catch on fire?

Posted by: Marooned at April 28, 2023 11:54 AM (kt8QE)

361 One doesn't need to pay for beautoful women if one has blow. The opposite problem exists.
Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:54 AM (RasQQ)

There's a waitress at a local watering hole that, as rumor has it, will do ANYTHING if you provide her some blow.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (Zz0t1)

362 Talk like this makes me want one even more. I am not kidding.

Yes, every time I hear about how dangerously these cars burn and for how long, I wonder what a terrorist could do with one.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (EXyHK)

363 354 15 minute cities are trying to recreate the Middle Ages where the serfs were bound to the Lord's lands, unable to travel away from it without the Lord's permission. All of these supposedly "new" ideas are in fact very, very old.
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Oddly, Feudalism and Socialism resemble one another. How is this possible?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (C7jzY)

364 Ford dealer offers, with each purchase of a Ford F150 EV, two cases of Bud Light.

Posted by: mindful webworker - eclectic vehicle at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (7PZBL)

365 > Seriously, how long would it take to drive an electric vehicle from Orange to El Paso? Is it even possible?

Easy, Peasy.
You just tow a gas powered generator.

Posted by: comradearthur at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (RiJkj)

366 I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??

--

I haven't seen any either. But what I have seen are "privileged parking spaces" up front at establishments for those driving EVs. Sierra Brewing Company in Asheville (of course) is one.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (sVtYq)

367 I remember stopping there in the early 60s. They had a Stuckey's on a hill. It was our first break on our trip back the NC. This was before there were Interstate Highways.

That area has become a hub of data centers, so they're having to dramatically upgrade the electrical infrastructure. I just missed having new high-V transmission lines run across my property. There does seem to be quite a bit of interest in land there now. I get frequent inquiries asking if I want to sell.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (eOEVl)

368 Doubt this is part of a grand plan to keep us from moving around. It seems to me like a climate change circle jerk where our betters are dreaming and scheming and decide that we can't simple let EVs find their place in the market as decided by the market.

No, we can mandate the people to buy them by subsidizing the whole schmear. We spend money and grease the palms of huge companies and they grease our palms back. And we get reelected because we tell the LIVs and our Democrat useful idiots that vote for us that what we're doing is good for the climate AND the economy.

And, damn, while we're doing this , we reduce the distance that the rubes in flyover country can travel, Hell, the distance anyone can travel. Keeping people stuck in place is a great added benefit.

Light cigars, pour another martini. Book a steam bath at the Gotham AC.

Posted by: RM at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (crXU+)

369 On the general front of electrical stuff being forced on people, I'm glad I don't have to dig out from under all that snow in the California mountains using only electric equipment. I *love* my corded mower, and have an electric chain saw, but there's times that those aren't going to do job.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 28, 2023 11:52 AM (nC+QA)
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My electric string trimmer (battery, not corded) is the least hateful version of that tool that I have ever owned or used. That is a tool that's actually better in every way than a gas-powered version. Weight balance is better. Reliability is better. It's cleaner. It's easier to use. It's less fatiguing (ties into the weight balance).

My electric leaf blower is spectacular for small jobs during the summer. I prefer it to any handheld gas-powered blower and use it a lot. It is not up to the task for autumn, though. The big gas-powered backpack blower comes out for the real work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

370 CBS News: Sperm donor father of at least 550 kids banned from donating any more sperm

https://tinyurl.com/yebhkwfn

Posted by: Modern Corporate America at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (TJi8p)

371
When the parking garages collapse under the weight of EVz, do the batteries catch on fire?
Posted by: Marooned

EV s'mores!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (pNxlR)

372 There's a waitress at a local watering hole that, as rumor has it, will do ANYTHING if you provide her some blow.
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This seems like an opportunity.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (C7jzY)

373 Yes, every time I hear about how dangerously these cars burn and for how long, I wonder what a terrorist could do with one.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (EXyHK)

Wow. Even cooler. God damn I love this tech. *erection*

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:56 AM (RasQQ)

374 Off Modern Corporate sock!

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 11:56 AM (TJi8p)

375 363 Oddly, Feudalism and Socialism resemble one another. How is this possible?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (C7jzY)

=========

"Nu-huh! Textbook socialism isn't like that at all! That's textbook capitalism!"
-Lefty true believer

"Damn...Our foot soldiers are just the dumbest people on the planet."
-Lefty leader, measuring the drapes in the presidential palace

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

376 Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Life in southern VA moves at a...slower pace than in the DC suburbs.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:49 AM (eOEVl)

Oh, my friend, you need to buy a timber mill and some light equipment.
Find your local Small Woodlands Association or American Tree Farmer Program, they do classes on everything from saw use to cruising.
"knowledge is good"

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 11:56 AM (xhaym)

377 77 >I don't see any of these EV charging stations anywhere. Where are they??

___

Apartment buildings, grocery stores, office buildings, hotels. They're around.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:13 AM (OalnH)

Not many are directly on the side of a road in cities. Most are tucked-away behind businesses and restaurants, or are built on the edges of existing parking lots. I don't think individual stations make enough money so far to be located on higher-priced street-side or street corner property.

Posted by: Gref at April 28, 2023 11:56 AM (AMIL/)

378 Yup. It's near the booming metropolis of South Hill.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (eOEVl)

As long as it's not Emporia.

Because f that place. Everyone knows why.

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (JYLCN)

379 When I'm doing the I-10 thing, I either stop in NM or LA border at night, and cross all of TX in the day, one fell swoop barring one, maybe two fuel and stretch stops.

Posted by: Croak at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (F8XsQ)

380 From the It's OK When We Do It file . . .

The Associated Press
@AP
Republican lawmakers in Montana described a nonviolent protest against the silencing of a transgender lawmaker as an insurrection. It’s a pattern playing out across the U.S.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (FVME7)

381 Ford dealer offers, with each purchase of a Ford F150 EV, two cases of Bud Light.

Posted by: mindful webworker - eclectic vehicle
==
And a Gillette razor!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (17s+e)

382 There's a waitress at a local watering hole that, as rumor has it, will do ANYTHING if you provide her some blow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (Zz0t1)

Sadly, this is 99% of young women.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (RasQQ)

383 Are they digging them in like Iraq - Iran did?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:51 AM (C7jzY)

although I have no direct info, that conflict has turned into a static, defensive war with little movement on either side for months now, so I'd imagine so. Note how partisans have talked about "Breakthrough any day now in Bakhmut!!!" constantly, when in reality the lines are only about 200 yards different from where they were 2 months ago.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (i9ffA)

384 Is the extra EV weight a thing? By that I mean will it make a difference. I'm not architect or nuthin' but it seems like paring garages would be built to withstand a hell of a lot of weight. So a few extra pounds per car hopefully wouldn't matter.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (OalnH)

385 @AP
Republican lawmakers in Montana described a nonviolent protest against the silencing of a transgender lawmaker as an insurrection. It’s a pattern playing out across the U.S.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (FVME7)
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Gee, I wonder why.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)

386 384 Is the extra EV weight a thing? By that I mean will it make a difference. I'm not architect or nuthin' but it seems like paring garages would be built to withstand a hell of a lot of weight. So a few extra pounds per car hopefully wouldn't matter.
Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (OalnH)

=======

An extra 1500 pounds per car for several dozen cars across several levels adds up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 28, 2023 11:58 AM (LvTSG)

387 Seriously... call your homeowner's insurance and tell your agent you want to put an EV charger inside your garage for your spiffy new EV's. Ask what sort of change to your premium that's gonna' run.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 28, 2023 11:33 AM (Q4IgG)

I wonder if insurance companies would refuse to pay out for a house fire because you failed to disclose that you'd put in a charger.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2023 11:58 AM (GYIa4)

388 Pray for the USA better batteries but bigger vehicles Hummers replacing Bolts High priced Cadillacs stay, lower priced vehicles are unbolted.

We were Volt owners until our energy control module failed. Now we're part of a class action lawsuit

Bolt to be replaced with the Pickup and SUV models. Sized to never get back any carbon savings from going electric while making the roads more deadly for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. Not to mention the increase in pollution from brake and tire dust from heavier veihcles.

A Toyota Corolla's range is 430 miles You're going to stop for gas anyway (sf to La). Newer stations charge pretty fast too. Range anxiety is a thing of the past imo.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at April 28, 2023 11:58 AM (j6kSc)

389 339 Country is just getting more retarded by the day.
Posted by: And it's accelerating
____

GASP! You just said the "R" word. Reeeeeeee!

Posted by: Millennial at April 28, 2023 11:58 AM (fs1hN)

390 Matt Gaetz thinks Tucker Carlsen is going to team up with OMG and Musk. Someone speculated this yesterday. Oh yeah, that was me.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 11:58 AM (N5C4b)

391 Possibly NSFW.

Definitely in very poor taste.

Japanese guys try singing karaoke while getting a handy.

https://tinyurl.com/2j83a9xx

Don't worry, you don't see anything.

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 11:59 AM (TJi8p)

392 I remember stopping there in the early 60s. They had a Stuckey's on a hill. It was our first break on our trip back the NC. This was before there were Interstate Highways.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (C7jzY)

Back then South Hill was between Jeff Davis Hwy and Petersburg Turnpike.

Posted by: BignJames at April 28, 2023 11:59 AM (AwYPR)

393 "There's a waitress at a local watering hole that, as rumor has it, will do ANYTHING if you provide her some blow."

I guess some males are okay with patronizing a prostitute. Does it really matter what form of payment is used?

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 11:59 AM (89Sog)

394 Note how partisans have talked about "Breakthrough any day now in Bakhmut!!!" constantly, when in reality the lines are only about 200 yards different from where they were 2 months ago.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (i9ffA)

Yes. This is how tech revolutions in equip manifest themselves paradoxically. Esp C4ISR.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 11:59 AM (RasQQ)

395 team up with OMG and Musk

__

OMG?

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 12:00 PM (OalnH)

396 Easy, Peasy.
You just tow a gas powered generator.
Posted by: comradearthur at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (RiJkj

I like the idea of putting a big fan on top of the roof and as the fan spins it charges the battery so you can drive forever. What, do you think there's something wrong with that plan?

Posted by: Pete Bootigieg at April 28, 2023 12:00 PM (i9ffA)

397 384 Is the extra EV weight a thing? By that I mean will it make a difference. I'm not architect or nuthin' but it seems like paring garages would be built to withstand a hell of a lot of weight. So a few extra pounds per car hopefully wouldn't matter.
Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (OalnH)

EVs are a lot heavier.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 28, 2023 12:00 PM (eYoxG)

398 Our resident EV guy hasn't been around lately. He's on break, since the election is over.

But we draw to the close of our beautiful, blessed biannual 6-month break from all the damnable election pageantry and bluster and other useless bullshit. So he'll come back for his usual poll-trolling, and so we'll get his full-throated (SWIDT) apologetics for these dumb cars as a bonus.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 28, 2023 12:01 PM (oINRc)

399 The Boss is up with a NOOD

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 12:01 PM (bx3Pl)

400 >>OMG?

O'Keefe Media Group

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 12:01 PM (N5C4b)

401 392 I remember stopping there in the early 60s. They had a Stuckey's on a hill. It was our first break on our trip back the NC. This was before there were Interstate Highways.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 11:53 AM (C7jzY)

Back then South Hill was between Jeff Davis Hwy and Petersburg Turnpike.
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Yep. As a teenager on a survey crew we did some surveying around South Hill and ate lunch at the old Stuckey's on the hill. It brought back many memories.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2023 12:01 PM (C7jzY)

402 Is the extra EV weight a thing? By that I mean will it make a difference. I'm not architect or nuthin' but it seems like paring garages would be built to withstand a hell of a lot of weight. So a few extra pounds per car hopefully wouldn't matter.
Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 11:57 AM (OalnH)
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Yes, it's meaningful.

Take the Kia Soul. It's EV version is 203kg - that's about 450 pounds heavier than the diesel version. That is about 15% heavier.

On average - per the Eurofag chart I'm looking at - the weight difference is 362kg, or almost 800 pounds. On average, the EVs weigh about 19% more than the diesel version of the same car.

20% is a huge delta, and will matter for structural engineering if they become more common.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)

403
The local National Guard Armory is around the corner from my shop, and it has four plugin stations, serviced by two enormous motorized solar arrays that track the sun. Rarely used. If ever there was a couple of parking spaces that said "Commanding Officer's Parking ONLY", that's it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 28, 2023 12:02 PM (n+4am)

404 Actually was shocked when found out how much more a EV weighs

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 12:02 PM (bx3Pl)

405 "There's a waitress at a local watering hole that, as rumor has it, will do ANYTHING if you provide her some blow."

-
We want a blow by blow description.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 12:02 PM (FVME7)

406 396 Easy, Peasy.
You just tow a gas powered generator.
Posted by: comradearthur at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (RiJkj

Just outta college I was running a press and the mechanic across the street who specialized in Italian mechanical fuel injection rebuilds/repairs had a poster that was a truck full of money titled "Alfa Romero repair kit".

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 12:03 PM (RasQQ)

407 I have and like a 2022 Ford hybrid "Maverick" getting between 40 and 50 mpg in regular rural driving. Not much stop-and-go traffic urban problem. Not much high speed interstate wind resistance. But 40 mpg is not impossible even on a Texas interstate. It's about a 12.5 gallons tank. So the border to border test run involves only one refueling stop.

Buc-ee's! For the win. (And the BBQ sandwiches, the clean restrooms, and a funny t-shirt)

Posted by: Pouncer at April 28, 2023 12:03 PM (ejfFE)

408 A friend of mine, a former Ford Dealer , ordered a Mach-E. He had it two months and sold it (to a dealer, back when the cars where rare. He told me his utility bill went up $100/ month with the car. It was fun though. Still worthless
for highway travel.

Posted by: free tibet at April 28, 2023 12:03 PM (iNp3L)

409 An extra 1500 pounds per car for several dozen cars across several levels adds up.

Now imagine 1500 of those pounds burning for hours.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 12:03 PM (amJF4)

410 My electric string trimmer (battery, not corded) is the least hateful version of that tool that I have ever owned or used. That is a tool that's actually better in every way than a gas-powered version. Weight balance is better. Reliability is better. It's cleaner. It's easier to use. It's less fatiguing (ties into the weight balance).

My electric leaf blower is spectacular for small jobs during the summer. I prefer it to any handheld gas-powered blower and use it a lot. It is not up to the task for autumn, though. The big gas-powered backpack blower comes out for the real work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

Cost and convenience comparison of current gas and electric non-riding lawn mowers. The guy gets some things wrong - such as free fuel because you get the batteries included! - but it's a good video.

https://tinyurl.com/mcst8m7j

Posted by: Gref at April 28, 2023 12:04 PM (AMIL/)

411 Now imagine 1500 of those pounds burning for hours.
Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 12:03 PM (amJF4)

*swoons*

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 28, 2023 12:04 PM (RasQQ)

412 In 2022, the US auto industry sold 2.66 million new vehicles. A few thousand electric cars here and there is not a trend.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at April 28, 2023 12:05 PM (9X60i)

413 My electric leaf blower is spectacular for small jobs during the summer. I prefer it to any handheld gas-powered blower and use it a lot. It is not up to the task for autumn, though. The big gas-powered backpack blower comes out for the real work.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

Same experience here. The electric blower is also very handy on the roof, lighter and better balanced - safer.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at April 28, 2023 12:06 PM (MkuC5)

414 Cost and convenience comparison of current gas and electric non-riding lawn mowers. The guy gets some things wrong - such as free fuel because you get the batteries included! - but it's a good video.

https://tinyurl.com/mcst8m7j
Posted by: Gref at April 28, 2023 12:04 PM (AMIL/)
+++++
I'll check it out, thanks. I am not in the market for a battery mower, for three reasons:
1. Last time I checked, my yard is too big to use one in a single shot with regularity.
2. I have a fairly new and pretty good gas mower
3. My lawnmower lives at another house, and various members of the family share it. We share most of our outdoor equipment. Much cheaper that way. The downside is that I have to load it into a vehicle, and a battery-powered mower is so much heavier than a gas-powered mower that it becomes a serious problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 12:07 PM (t0OGg)

415 You haven't lived until you have crossed Texas in August in a Split Window VW Bus putting out a ribald 32 HP!
Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2023 11:32 AM (UBUkf)

But you have the three bra-less hippie chicks to relieve the boredom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2023 12:14 PM (tkR6S)

416 Curb weight Tesla 2022 Model Y: 4555 lbs.

Curb weight Toyota 2022 Camry: 3340 lbs.

So, yeah. 36% heavier.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 28, 2023 12:19 PM (DhOHl)

417 I guarantee the Hoovie's Garage videos of his F150 Lightning experience almost single-handedly sank the vehicle. He's a goofball most of the time, but he's also *completely* sincere and he had very little good to say about the vehicle's range. He got *75* miles of full battery range towing a light trailer and not much more unloaded. He simply said it's not up to the task of being a pickup.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 28, 2023 12:20 PM (4enNW)

418 I saw a truck at a charging station in Livingston, MT downtown. Sign said green vehicles only. The truck was an old chevy , green color.

Posted by: free tibet at April 28, 2023 12:28 PM (iNp3L)

419 Slow selling Chevy Bolt is selling them as fast as they can make them. Probably about 70000 this year.
Buck how many days LAST YEAR did you drive 800 miles? Yesi am sure that "many" times in your past you drive that far. But now? Really on the infrequent times you might even plan a trip that long, what difference would a few hours more make? Is your life that time constrained that you would not even be stopping to sit down and eat during your 12 hour trip ?
This year the#1 passenger car dales model might be Tesla Mod 3. It is leading right now.

Posted by: Paul at April 28, 2023 12:30 PM (SPWkI)

420 Major on-site engineering requiring specialized and very expensive heavy equipment and extensive training in every locality across the land.

Seems reasonable.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)

Naw. None of that stuff is exotic or even very expensive. You could probably get the trucks, dumpster, and crane at an industrial auction for about 150 grand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2023 12:30 PM (tkR6S)

421 The curb weight of a Tesla Model 3 starts at 3648.

People do not like to fact check the "facts" they like

Posted by: Paul at April 28, 2023 12:32 PM (SPWkI)

422 EV Sales Are "En Fuego!"

How'm I doing?

Posted by: Heavily Sponsored, Donut-Breathed EV Salesman at April 28, 2023 12:33 PM (5FPX4)

423 I rarely drive very far at all, but 800 miles in a day isn't too bad in a good conditions (in a gas powered car)

Posted by: Oofin and Goofin at April 28, 2023 12:34 PM (UPp47)

424 > And there is likely a Buc-ees or two on the way to El Paso

I've driven this route (the other way, part of a trip from Las Vegas to Fort Walton Beach), and I recall seeing two of 'em along the way: one in Katy (west of Houston) and one somewhere in Alabama (Google tells me it was along I-10 in Robertsdale, east of Mobile). I didn't know they were a thing outside Texas. Google also says there's another along I-10 on the east side of Houston, but nothing west of San Antonio (and the one nearest there is a long way from I-10).

Posted by: Scott at April 28, 2023 12:37 PM (kmvkg)

425 The Race of the Centuries

https://tinyurl.com/ModelSvsModelT

Posted by: scottst at April 28, 2023 12:41 PM (PLYLk)

426 All true, except for Tesla. GM chose poorly with batteries. Ford chose poorly with batteries and built a truck with terrible range and looses $20k per vehicle on an already overpriced truck. Range and charging times suck on all these EV's except for Tesla. Notice how no one runs these range and charging tests with Tesla's...

Prototypes are easy, scaling production is hard.

Posted by: Sixiron at April 28, 2023 12:48 PM (c4Wfm)

427 Driven from Tulsa to Phoenix in one 15 hour day, also Phoenix to Greenville, SC in 36 hours (8 hr stop in Abilene). Get 360 mile range in 10 minutes of "recharging" (filling gas tank for F250 Transit). Electric folks have no intention of matching that capability, especially if you have any sort of cargo. People who like electric never travel 100 miles from home. Tech is nowhere near ready.

Posted by: Robschr at April 28, 2023 12:51 PM (UpTUG)

428 Baghdad Paul.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 12:53 PM (ZB6WQ)

429 >>>I saw a truck at a charging station in Livingston, MT downtown. Sign said green vehicles only. The truck was an old chevy , green color.

Posted by: free tibet

>Neptunes Brewery? Trendy.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 12:56 PM (KVGVf)

430 The dales figures for Tesla come from Edmunds.com

Posted by: Paul at April 28, 2023 12:58 PM (SPWkI)

431 I think there's some irony in that the video of tbe parking garage collapse in NYC was captured by a Tesla.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 01:09 PM (ssESX)

432 A reboot of "Cannonball Run", but with EVs, would need to be expanded into a miniseries.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 01:11 PM (ssESX)

433 Late to the party. Gotta post anyway to tell you how much I loved this article. It's outstanding, Buck. Thanks.

DIE, EVs.

Posted by: creeper at April 28, 2023 01:22 PM (cTCuP)

434 Several real world trials of EV pickup trailering capacity show them to be abysmal. As bad as 1kWh per mile.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at April 28, 2023 01:39 PM (Gs5yU)

435 But there is no EV that can be most things to most men. There are plenty of ICE vehicles that can be most things to most men.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 28, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
==
Hydrogen shows more promise - the technology just has a bit more to prove out.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 28, 2023 01:51 PM (UVyKP)

436 Just got back from a Los Angeles to Tucson, and back, in our 2017 Ford F-150. Filled up in LA, miles to empty 700. Drove into Quartzite, AZ having only gone through a quarter tank. Filled up again, because it's what I do on trips to Tucson (that a Dairy Queen stop), miles to empty; 731. Rolled into Tucson, used up only a quarter tank. Next four days I drove out to Tombstone and all around Tucson. Still had over a quarter tank left. Filled up again for return trip, miles to empty: 721.... well you get it. I'm still working on the full tank from Monday of this week... screw EV's.

Posted by: Frank at April 28, 2023 01:51 PM (5+cN3)

437 ...ALSO... went to visit my daughter in Boise, ID. 13 hours, 832 miles. Filled up in LA (694 miles to empty), then in Bishop, CA (279 miles from LA) and made into Idaho with over a quarter tank available, (made it in 12 hours, both ways). So yeah, screw EV's.

Posted by: Frank at April 28, 2023 01:57 PM (5+cN3)

438 These EV debates always seem to devolve into people telling you what you REALLY NEED, as in "do you REALLY NEED to drive 800 miles in one day?"

"who REALLY NEEDS that?"

It's just a point furthering my constant refrain that these "elite" big city folk who think that they are the most worldly and most intelligent people on the planet are so goddamn provincial.

THEY don't need to drive 800 miles a day, so therefore, by that logic, NOBODY needs to.

Furthermore, you aren't the one who gets to say what I NEED and what I don't. Get bent.

And lastly, it isn't even a case of NEED. I have this ability now. If you want to sell me on a new technology that's so much better, I really don't feel like I'm asking too much to expect it to be, you know, ACTUALLY BETTER.

Posted by: Goober at April 28, 2023 02:37 PM (Hgvgt)

439 In short, a person that has lived their entire life on a 13 by 2 mile concrete island probably doesn't have the best feel for what people "really need" outside of that tiny, insulated existence that they feel has made them so worldly.

Posted by: Goober at April 28, 2023 02:58 PM (Hgvgt)

440 I live in a rural town of about 7000. Plenty of pickups, plenty of F-150s, all shapes sizes and years. There's 1 Ford dealership and one F150 Lightning. It's driven by the son of the man that owns the dealership. Note i said driven not owned.

Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at April 28, 2023 03:03 PM (vtgW0)

441 Rivian, GM and Ford, yet nothing about Stellantis (Fiat, Chrysler, Ram, Jeep), Buck?

You must have written this up before the announcement this week from Stellantis that the company will be offering "voluntary separation packages" to 33,000+ employees (of its 55,000 American employees + thousands more in Canada). The claim is the packages will be offered to employees with 15+ years experience with the company.

It used to be in the work force that it was "last in, first out" come layoff time. With the logic being that you want to keep your most experienced and capable people around to do the work to keep the company afloat. Makes very reasonable sense. Especially when these experienced employees will need to take on more work to account for the work previously handled by the laid off employees.

Now though, Ford, GM and Stellantis are getting rid of the most experienced people, presumably because they have the highest salaries. But this also means leaving the company in the hands of the least experienced, least knowledgeable and least invested employees.

Ridiculously stupid plan.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 28, 2023 03:18 PM (Do5/p)

442 OK, enough about the EV sales debacle.

Is there a way to confirm the breakdown of public sales of vehicles versus fleet sales? i.e. sales of vehicles to the average customer vs sales of vehicles to say the police force (Dodge Challenger) or the government (EVs) or the post office (EVs), etc?

Or when you state sales, are all these numbers to be assumed to all be public sales to the average customer?

I assume that the vast majority of EV sales are fleet sales, rich people and average customers taking advantage of government taxpayer-funded incentives. Take away taxpayer-funded incentives and that leaves EV sales to fleet and rich people and that's it. Which means there is zero market. Which means the auto industry, with its WEF-driven "electrification" agenda is committing suicide. Which is likely the WEF/Deep State Marxist Left plan.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 28, 2023 03:25 PM (Do5/p)

443 Good article

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at April 28, 2023 03:48 PM (X8Vz2)

444 how long would it take to drive an electric vehicle from Orange to El Paso?
Which month? Any time from June through September, I hope you and the car can tolerate 100F weather. Actually, more like 110F or more in the car, since you probably can't run the a/c on super-cold-super-high and drive for very long....

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2023 04:31 PM (jjYpq)

445 Oh, and who in heck calls it "IH"-10? It's "I-10" and has been forever. Unless maybe you're an Austin weirdo.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2023 04:31 PM (jjYpq)

446 I've said before I don't understand why the push was for EVs instead of the next logical step of Hybrids. They went all in on a pair of deuces.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 11:08 AM

Because of the EPA and CAFE standards and regulations. They are ridiculously stringent and the only thing that has a slight chance of meeting them is a product line of only EVs. This is all because of the Marxist Left "climate change" policies and regulations. Has nothing to do with what customers want or what will make the automakers money.

It has everything to do with the fact that if the mpg and emissions standards are not met, then the automakers either are banned from selling vehicles or pay fines that will bankrupt the company.

These regulations go into effect in 2025. And vehicle programs are 3-5 years for development. The product lines to meet the 2025 regulations had to start development in 2020-2021. As soon as the Deep State rigged and stole the election, the die was cast.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 28, 2023 05:20 PM (Do5/p)

447 "Nighttime would find me in Rosa's Cantina."

Marty Robbins reference for the win.

Posted by: DavidD at April 28, 2023 08:21 PM (nNVOy)

448 I have driven the 600 miles from Kansas City to Denver (& back) several times. Just one stop for gas is all it takes, and under 9 hours. (Additional stops for bathroom breaks and coffee/food, but that's to fuel me - not the ICE car).

EVs are NOT useful outside of commutes & short trips.
I'll keep my Chrysler, thanks.

Posted by: Rick Yarnell at April 28, 2023 09:08 PM (WlkuX)

449 I want Greta to drive across Montana in January in an e vehicle. She's Scandinavian, used to freezing.

Posted by: jimmymcnulty at April 28, 2023 10:44 PM (BJgzI)

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