Margot Cleveland: The State Department Funded a Private Group to Draw Up Lists of Conservative Outlets Who Should Be Censored, Then Used This List to Pressure Advertisers Not to Do Business With Them

Here's some background. Do you remember this story? In 2018, a leftwing group was faking "Russian bot" support of the Republican candidate Roy Moore. They then took the fake Russian bot story, that they had created out of whole cloth, to the media, to help the Democrat win the election.

It was all fake. The only "Russians" in the story were the ones created by this leftwing group.

Here's the New York Times, spinning insanely for their Democrat "disinformation" buddies.

As Russia's online election machinations came to light last year, a group of Democratic tech experts decided to try out similarly deceptive tactics in the fiercely contested Alabama Senate race, according to people familiar with the effort and a report on its results.

The secret project, carried out on Facebook and Twitter, was likely too small to have a significant effect on the race...

Sure. We know for sure that $150,000 in Russian ad buys on FaceBook to support both Trump and Hillary Clinton definitely swung that election to Trump, but no one can say if this Democrat op had any "significant" effect on a statewide race, during a period of Peak Russiagate Paranoia in the media.

... in which the Democratic candidate it was designed to help, Doug Jones, edged out the Republican, Roy S. Moore.

Oh he edged him out? Definitely, there's no way this op could have contributed to that edging.

But it was a sign that American political operatives of both parties have paid close attention to the Russian methods, which some fear may come to taint elections in the United States.

Of "both parties"! It was the Democrats that did this, but don't you worry -- this is about both parties!

One participant in the Alabama project, Jonathon Morgan, is the chief executive of New Knowledge, a small cyber security firm that wrote a scathing account of Russia's social media operations in the 2016 election that was released this week by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

An internal report on the Alabama effort, obtained by The New York Times, says explicitly that it "experimented with many of the tactics now understood to have influenced the 2016 elections."

The project's operators created a Facebook page on which they posed as conservative Alabamians, using it to try to divide Republicans and even to endorse a write-in candidate to draw votes from Mr. Moore. It involved a scheme to link the Moore campaign to thousands of Russian accounts that suddenly began following the Republican candidate on Twitter, a development that drew national media attention.
"We orchestrated an elaborate 'false flag' operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet," the report says.
Mr. Morgan said in an interview that the Russian botnet ruse "does not ring a bell," adding that others had worked on the effort and had written the report. He said he saw the project as "a small experiment" designed to explore how certain online tactics worked, not to affect the election.

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Despite its small size, the Alabama project brought together some prominent names in the world of political technology. The funding came from Reid Hoffman, the billionaire co-founder of LinkedIn, who has sought to help Democrats catch up with Republicans in their use of online technology.

The money passed through American Engagement Technologies, run by Mikey Dickerson, the founding director of the United States Digital Service, which was created during the Obama administration to try to upgrade the federal government's use of technology. Sara K. Hudson, a former Justice Department fellow now with Investing in Us, a tech finance company partly funded by Mr. Hoffman, worked on the project, along with Mr. Morgan.

The Alabama project got started as Democrats were coming to grips with the Russians' weaponizing of social media to undermine the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton and promote Donald J. Trump.

Oh I see -- we know that scheme swung an election.

But not this one!

Now, note the name Renée DiResta:

Mr. Morgan reached out at the time to Renée DiResta, who would later join New Knowledge and was lead author of the report on Russian social media operations released this week.

"I know there were people who believed the Democrats needed to fight fire with fire," Ms. DiResta said, adding that she disagreed. "It was absolutely chatter going around the party."

But she said Mr. Morgan simply asked her for suggestions of online tactics worth testing. "My understanding was that they were going to investigate to what extent they could grow audiences for Facebook pages using sensational news," she said.
Mr. Morgan confirmed that the project created a generic page to draw conservative Alabamians -- he said he couldn't remember its name -- and that Mac Watson, one of multiple write-in candidates, contacted the page. "But we didn't do anything on his behalf," he said.

Oh she just was a Helpy Helperton in all this. She was Advancing Science.

So who is Renée DiResta?

Well, she's a former CIA employee -- she claims she was just an "intern," um, whatever, she's not exactly a reliable witness -- who just so happens to have lead the "Global Engagement Center" and then the "Stanford Internet Observatory," two government-funded groups that carry out "disinformation" operations against the right.

In other words, she's the government's Queen of Disinformation -- and labeling Republicans as almost exclusively guilty of spreading it.

And yet the Queen of Disinformation-Labeling was guilty of having helped a Democrat group create a Fake Russian Conspiracy in order to swing an election.

The woman who claims to be an expert in disinformation was a critical part of spreading actual disinformation (involving Russia) in a closely-fought election in which the Democrat "edged out" the Republican.

So obviously -- Let's promote her to running the government's biggest anti-disinformation cut-out groups!

She claims that she thought she was just participating in "an experiment" -- an experiment to see if disinformation could successfully get a Democrat to edge out a Republican in a real live election. She claims -- and those behind this disinformation scheme claim -- they were just running an "experiment" during a real election using real ads intended to manipulate real voters, but they "designed the experiment" to be so "limited" as that it could not have any significant impact on the race.

This is their cover story. The New York Times obviously was convinced of this -- or rather, they walked into the story already convinced of the notion that if Democrats ever engaged in disinformation themselves, it must only be for Scientific Purposes, to better understand how Russians and Republicans (but they repeat themselves) use disinformation.

No one else believes this. Just the hard-left propagandists of the media.

And the Disinformation-Industrial Complex itself.

So keep Reneé DiResta in mind as you read Margot Cleveland's article about the "Global Engagement Center," which DiResta used to run.

Meet The Shadowy Group That Ran The Federal Government’s Censorship Scheme

The biggest concern is what GEC paid Park Advisors to do: fund and coordinate the censorship of Americans' speech and our supposedly free press.

Margot Cleveland

@ProfMJCleveland

The State Department's Global Engagement Center used a cutout corporation headed by a former intelligence officer to fund and promote the blacklisting of conservative media outlets and other censorship endeavors, research by The Federalist reveals.

When Elon Musk gave a group of independent journalists access to internal Twitter communications, the resulting "Twitter Files" quickly revealed the existence of a Censorship-Industrial Complex that included an array of federal agencies colluding with social media companies to censor disfavored speech. One of the many federal players was the State Department's Global Engagement Center (GEC) -- but GEC did much more than cajole tech giants to censor viewpoints the government didn't like.

As The Federalist previously reported, GEC funded the development of censorship tools and used "government employees to act as sales reps pitching the censorship products to Big Tech." Further investigation into its operations now reveals the government's GEC used one or more for-profit businesses to lead four separate censorship initiatives with contractors at times engaging in "inherently governmental functions."
[A]s part of its "Silicon Valley Engagement" initiative, GEC pushed social media companies to join Disinfo Cloud, which helped users identify technologies for censoring speech. This has huge First Amendment implications because although many details of Disinfo Cloud's operations and funding remain obscure, it's clear U.S. tax dollars funded both the platform's development and maintenance.

A State Department spokesman previously explained that an outside group, Park Advisors, managed Disinfo Cloud, awarding the group approximately $300,000 to manage the platform. Christina Nemr, a former State Department employee who had been a founding member of the Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) program, served as the director of Park Advisors and the administrator of Disinfo Cloud.

While Disinfo Cloud was a GEC initiative, it appears Park Advisors and Nemr controlled the platform at DisinfoCloud.com, which has since been shuttered....

Disinfo Cloud also helped users -- including private social media companies -- identify the best available censorship tools "to counter propaganda and disinformation."

This included running GEC's "Testbed" program, which tested government efforts to censor speech it didn't like in the real world.

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While Disinfo Cloud's role in the Tech Demo Series is unclear, GEC's "Testbed" operated from Disinfo Cloud, and Park Advisors also managed that government initiative.

According to GEC's webpage, "Testbed" "tests specific tools or technologies against a submitted proposal," over the course of six to eight weeks to see how successful the tools are in countering supposed propaganda in "real operational" situations....

Park Advisors also handed out government money -- awards -- to companies for technology that made it easier for the government to censor conservatives.

Nemr stressed that eight awards were granted. At least two of the monetary awards went to organizations targeting conservatives -- including news outlets -- for censorship, namely the Global Disinformation Index and the Institute of Strategic Dialogue. Despite purporting to fund foreign-based tech experts "to implement a tool, locally, to address misinformation and disinformation challenges in the region," these U.S.-Paris Challenge awardees reached squarely into the American marketplace of speech.

The Global Disinformation Index (GDI) purports to assess the "disinformation risk" of media outlets and declares conservative media, including The Federalist, as the "Ten Riskiest Online News Outlets." In contrast, the supposedly "Ten Lowest-Risk Online News Outlets" consist of a who's who of left-wing legacy outlets, including those that regularly botched big political stories, such as the Russia-collusion hoax and the Hunter Biden laptop story.

At the 2021 U.S.-Paris Tech Challenge, GDI's founders explained the goal of the risk-rating technology: to disrupt the funding of so-called disinformation by steering away "ad dollars."

Danny Rogers, the American partner in the initiative, stressed in the team's presentation that "over a dozen ad-tech companies," covering "20 different media markets," used GDI's technology. That technology succeeded in "cutting the number of ad options" by over half, "redirecting millions of dollars away from disinformation peddlers toward quality journalism," Rogers boasted.

Significantly, after learning GEC had selected the Global Disinformation Index as one of the winners of the U.S.-Paris Challenge, Rogers' U.K. partner, Clare Melford, explained that the award, in addition to allowing GDI to increase its "language coverage capability," would also allow GDI to expand its risk assessments into video news and bolster the infrastructure "underpinning all of the GDI's activities ... so that the ad tech base can offer advertisers the chance to choose which their ads support."

In other words, our government paid for the infrastructure of GDI's ratings system that resulted in conservative news outlets being blacklisted -- $100,000 worth of U.S. tax dollars in total, funneled by the GEC to the Global Disinformation Index through Park Advisors.

Here's another winner: Leftwing group Newsgard, which consistently rates conservative sites as "unreliable" and most leftwing conspiracy-mongering sites as "reliable."

One of the winners of this challenge was the irresponsible, reliability-ratings company NewsGuard. Like GDI, NewsGuard also champions leftist outlets that peddled the Russia-collusion hoax and wrongly framed the Hunter Biden laptop as Russian disinformation, while branding conservative outlets such as The Federalist as unreliable.

That GEC used Disinfo Cloud as a pass-through to award $100,000 to the Global Disinformation Index, an unspecified amount to the Institute of Strategic Dialogue, and $25,000 to NewsGuard and other winners of the Covid challenge makes no obvious sense -- unless the State Department sought to avoid a public connection to the funding.

All paid for by the State Department, in program of widespread, massive government censorship with an avowed goal of starving right-leaning sites of ad dollars.

David French just emailed me to say, "Snooze, what a nothingburger, this is just 'jawboning' by the government. The government has the right to free speech too, and the most important part of free speech is using taxpayer dollars to censor speech."

One more story: "disinformation" groups refuse disclose their donors.

They even refuse to disclose, on their legally-required Form 990 charitable organization disclosure forms, who their directors and principals even are.

They claim their refusal to engage in the most minimal levels of disclosure is justified -- to stop "harassment" by the right.

'Disinformation' network blacklisting conservative news hides tax forms over 'harassment'
by Gabe Kaminsky, Investigative Reporter |

EXCLUSIVE -- Two U.S. nonprofit groups tied to the Global Disinformation Index, a British entity blacklisting conservative media outlets, are refusing to disclose key details about their operations, citing an obscure federal exemption law on "harassment," according to a Washington Examiner investigation.

The private AN Foundation, also known as the Disinformation Index Foundation, and its affiliated public charity, Disinformation Index Inc., provided the Washington Examiner with heavily redacted copies of their 2021 IRS tax returns. A lawyer for the two entities is alleging that these redactions were made because the groups are the target of a coordinated "harassment campaign," a claim that multiple tax experts warn does not allow them to hide information on officers, board members, and, in the case of one group, omit the source of a donation.

"I don't think I've ever seen a 990 that excludes the names of officers and directors," said Alan Dye, a partner at Webster, Chamberlain, & Bean who has specialized in nonprofit law since 1975. "And I've looked at hundreds."

Redaction-riddled disclosures

The lack of transparency on tax forms filed by the GDI groups could result in lawmakers and watchdog groups propelling their investigations into the purported "disinformation" tracking network, which has come under fire ever since a Washington Examiner report on Feb. 9 detailed its efforts to feed blacklists of conservative websites to advertisers. Several Republican members of Congress, including House Oversight and Accountability Committee Chairman James Comer (R-KY), have demanded answers from the State Department for steering grant money to GDI between 2020 and 2021.

On March 31, the Washington Examiner obtained physical copies of 2021 tax forms filed by the AN Foundation and Disinformation Index after a written request to GDI was made. But the documents, which combined total 56 pages, redact or omit various information that is raising major legal and ethical red flags among a handful of lawyers specializing in nonprofit groups.

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But the federal 2021 forms provided to the Washington Examiner by the charity, which posted over $1.1 million in revenue after its $345,000 haul in 2020, as well the private foundation, which disclosed $367,000 in revenue, notably conceal who prepared the documents, who its books are in the care of, and the names of officers and directors.

The private foundation even omitted the source of a $115,000 donation it received that year, even though such entities are ordinarily required under federal law to publish such information, according to the IRS.

This "disinformation group" is violating US law.

"This is outrageous," said Paul Kamenar, counsel to the National Legal and Policy Center, a conservative watchdog that plans to file an IRS complaint against both nonprofit groups.

Upon inquiring about omissions on the sets of tax forms, a lawyer representing the GDI groups sent the Washington Examiner a letter on April 6, which appears to have also been sent to the IRS and tax administration inspector general for the Treasury Department. The attorney, Marcus Owens of the firm Loeb & Loeb, said that the groups are "withholding" details from their disclosures due to federal codes and regulations concerning "harassment campaigns" against groups.

"The Index's personnel and their families have received multiple threats and hacking attacks, including threats of violence against their children," Owens, who directed the Exempt Organizations division at the IRS between 1990 and 2000, wrote in the letter. "As such, the organization is working [with] appropriate law enforcement authorities, telecommunications and Internet organizations; has appropriately withheld information that could lead to furtherance of this behavior."

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The British group has not announced which conservative media outlets are on its "dynamic exclusion" blacklist, which comprises who it deems as the foremost "disinformation" peddlers and is fed to advertising companies. GDI has said that the 10 "riskiest" news outlets for "disinformation" are the American Spectator, Newsmax, the Federalist, the American Conservative, One America News, the Blaze, the Daily Wire, RealClearPolitics, Reason, and the New York Post.

The Washington Examiner only learned through sources in the ad industry that it was on this blacklist and was never directly informed by GDI.

Moreover, GDI quietly scrubbed its website, after reporting on its blacklist, of advisory panel members. The panel, which is said partially to oversee its exclusion list, has included the likes of Finn Heinrich, a division director at the George Soros-funded Open Society Foundations grant-making network, according to his LinkedIn account.

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"It's kind of ironic that a group whose mission is transparency is withholding the names of its officers," said the lawyer for the National Legal and Policy Center.

So: "business defamation" is a real tort. You can sue for this.

But these companies operate in secret -- they spread their defamations on the down-low to advertisers and social media monopolies. The victims of their defamations don't even know why their ad revenue has suddenly dropped to zero.

Congress needs to pass a bill specifically empowering business defamation victims to sue their defamers, and further, because leftwing judges will claim that these defamations are made as part of "spirited public debate," the new law should make it clear that a defamation, passed privately to an advertiser or social media company, is obviously not part of a "spirited public debate" and therefore cannot be said to have special protection under the First Amendment.

The law should mandate that any group engaged in efforts to censor speech must keep strict records of exactly what is said to the companies they talk to, so we have a record of what defamations were made. And if their records appear incomplete or "edited," then juries may infer that what they said was legally defamatory.

Further, the law must specify that the any "malice" standard, if applicable at all, can be satisfied by proving the defamation-throwing company is politically biased and has a substantial history of animus against particular political groups and ideas.

Allowable evidence to prove this should include demonstrating that the "disinformation" defamer employs almost exclusively people from one side of the political aisle. I believe it was Reneé DiResta herself who admitted there are barely any Republicans at the Sanford Observatory (for tracking "disinformation" online), explaining that Republicans just aren't interested in fighting disinformation.

They're the primary purveyors of it, as she explained in that Atlantic article.

Lastly, there must be allowance for huge, and I do mean huge, punitive damage awards if the company engaged in suppression-of-speech-by-defamation is funded by any government money at all.

Comments

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1 Foist?

Posted by: McLurkerson at April 19, 2023 03:45 PM (wNDOJ)

2 What movie is this?

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 19, 2023 03:46 PM (DRSnL)

3 Suck it. In bold

Posted by: McLurkerson at April 19, 2023 03:46 PM (wNDOJ)

4 Damn. I got here late.

Posted by: Antoinne Bold'n at April 19, 2023 03:46 PM (P7IZS)

5 Foist?
Posted by: McLurkerson at April 19, 2023 03:45 PM (wNDOJ)

You called nood and THEN called first. I'm impressed.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 19, 2023 03:47 PM (DRSnL)

6 Gosh it looks like Chimpy McHaliburton fired up the unintended consequences band again....

used to be a lot harder for the civil service to grift fund their preferred NGOs to get their way with business.

He thought we would be getting Church morals and efficiency, what we got was Mafia morals and union efficiency.

Posted by: sven at April 19, 2023 03:47 PM (Lzpvj)

7 Labe and Labe is the better Law Firm.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:47 PM (P7IZS)

8 En fuego!

Posted by: That friend of Chuy's who shouts "En fuego!" at April 19, 2023 03:48 PM (a3Q+t)

9 They always accuse us of what they are doing themselves.

Posted by: fd at April 19, 2023 03:48 PM (iayUP)

10 op Ten?

And I read all that stuff!

Posted by: Roland HTG at April 19, 2023 03:48 PM (j40lz)

11 I don't no nothing about no russians but that there Roy Moore was going around signing young girls yearbooks and wanting to have sex with them.

Sex! Outside his own family! Listen that there don't fly in Alabammy...

Posted by: Alabama Hayseed InBred Voter at April 19, 2023 03:49 PM (uv/1i)

12 The problem is, Trump was at the helm when all of this was going on, and has shown he's just of his depth when it comes to doing anything about the Deep State.

Like asking Comey to stay on or putting Christopher Wray to be in charge of the FBI. Or having Fauci run the Covid response.

Every conservative from the sidelines saw what was going on, but Trump just kept making dumb personnel moves and pretended he could control the opposition. He was used to running a company where everyone just kissed his ass to get paid.

They were laughing behind his back because they knew he was clueless on how DC worked.

Posted by: Blago at April 19, 2023 03:49 PM (bTx6q)

13 This "disinformation group" is violating US law.
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Excuse me! I determine what the law is and who is violating it! Regardless, you are a mere citizen and therefore have no standing anyway.

Posted by: Merrick Garland at April 19, 2023 03:49 PM (fs1hN)

14 >>Disinfo Cloud


Deep WrongThought

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:49 PM (P7IZS)

15 Foist?
Posted by: McLurkerson at April 19, 2023 03:45 PM (wNDOJ)

You called nood and THEN called first. I'm impressed.
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 19, 2023 03:47 PM (DRSnL)

__________

Real talk? Ace closed his tags before the tenth comment.


There's a disturbance in the force.

Posted by: McLurkerson at April 19, 2023 03:49 PM (wNDOJ)

16 Does Ace get paid by the word?

Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 03:50 PM (v0R5T)

17 But make a meme about Dems texting to vote and/or voting on the first Wednesday in November and it's ten years in PMITA prison.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 03:50 PM (Bd6X8)

18 >>They always accuse us of what they are doing themselves.


I'd work guilty into the later half of that...but, spot on.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (P7IZS)

19 You called nood and THEN called first. I'm impressed.
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 19, 2023 03:47 PM

This doesn't, you know, like, preferentially move him up to the front of the deep-fried bacon line, does it?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (a3Q+t)

20 This doesn't seem to jibe with the Dept. of State's mission to serve the interests of the United States of American and her citizens while upholding the constitution. That's the oath I swore, so are people crossing their fingers behind their backs when they swear this, or has the oath changed?

Posted by: Moki at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (JrN/x)

21 You know, there was a time not that long ago where a blog piece like this could have a huge impact. Newspapers would write about it. The author would get TV interviews. Books would be written. Pundits would analyze. I remember it, I saw it happen in real time in the naughties. I was even a part of a couple of those, in a minor way.

Now? Its spit in the wind, nobody listens, nobody cares, the people who should report on it deliberately ignore it and suppress it, and if anyone actually does bring it up, they get canceled viciously.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (0hOvj)

22 I kept waiting for the movie review.

Posted by: Wally at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (FJYfm)

23 Lastly, there must be allowance for huge, and I do mean huge, punitive damage awards if the company engaged in suppression-of-speech-by-defamation is funded by any government money at all.
Posted by: Ace

Yep. 100% Although these groups could easily form and reform before after and during political campaigns, so it might be a case of trying to pick up wet tissue. Mebbe they could yoke Sar-Box to the new legis and make the principals culpable for any violations personally even if the group disbands or reforms.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (jzzG8)

24 >>They always accuse us of what they are doing themselves.


That should really be Rule 42.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (P7IZS)

25 "Does Ace get paid by the word?
Posted by: wth"

Yes. Guess which one it is!

Posted by: fd at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (iayUP)

26 >>You know, there was a time not that long ago where a blog piece like this could have a huge impact.


Nobody reads Blogs.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:52 PM (P7IZS)

27 Its all an op. Has been for years.

When 47% of total GDP is made up of Government spending (Local, State, and Fed)... of COURSE they are funding this kind of shit.

Get it through your head folks... if you want any freedom at all, its us against them.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 03:52 PM (oHd/0)

28
am-uh I, am I b-b-breathing?

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at April 19, 2023 03:52 PM (vwCZJ)

29 Now? Its spit in the wind, nobody listens, nobody cares, the people who should report on it deliberately ignore it and suppress it, and if anyone actually does bring it up, they get canceled viciously.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (0hOvj)


And that's why I cheer the collapse of any newspaper, magazine, or cable "news" show. May all of them perish.

Posted by: Wally at April 19, 2023 03:52 PM (FJYfm)

30 This doesn't, you know, like, preferentially move him up to the front of the deep-fried bacon line, does it?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (a3Q+t)

It takes more than that.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 19, 2023 03:53 PM (DRSnL)

31 >>You know, there was a time not that long ago where a blog piece like this could have


...the word 'Snizz' in there.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:53 PM (P7IZS)

32 I saw Margot and read it as Robbie and I thought, "I bet her merkin matches the drapes."

And then I saw Margot Cleveland and became ill.

Posted by: Dr. Bone, juicing up the cruel at April 19, 2023 03:53 PM (V4X9X)

33 It's not like it's government censorship of people's 1st amendment rights or anything.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 19, 2023 03:53 PM (ncXxy)

34 "Lastly, there must be allowance for huge, and I do mean huge, punitive damage awards if the company engaged in suppression-of-speech-by-defamation is funded by any government money at all."

- Ace

I would add any government employee or affiliate in the defamation is fired, stripped of pension vehicles, barred from further government work and open to be sued.

Posted by: Beartooth at April 19, 2023 03:54 PM (SJLjq)

35 There are so many people in DC looking out for you.

Not.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 19, 2023 03:55 PM (V4X9X)

36 "Does Ace get paid by the word?
Posted by: wth"

Yes. Guess which one it is!

Bird.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 03:55 PM (Bd6X8)

37 Now? Its spit in the wind, nobody listens, nobody cares, the people who should report on it deliberately ignore it and suppress it, and if anyone actually does bring it up, they get canceled viciously.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM (0hOvj)

20 or so years ago, I still had some Faith in the idea the Court system was not part of the problem. That we still had some chance to reign in government via our Right to petition for redress.

Boy, was I wrong. From Civil Asset Forfeiture, to rulings on Eminent Domain, to Gay Marriage (which lost every time it came up for an actual vote, even in Calif)... to the capstone, not even bothering to review whether Covid was enough of an emergency to dispense with our Rights... Courts are just part of the power grab.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 03:56 PM (oHd/0)

38 I hear Chuy makes more than Ace.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at April 19, 2023 03:56 PM (atmen)

39 I continue to believe that Elon Musk is going to be remembered as one of the most important defenders of free speech in US history for his purchase of Twitter and subsequent actions to prove that it was used as a censorship and disinformation machine against conservatives by the US government and the left.

And yes, the 2020 election and others were completely rigged.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 19, 2023 03:56 PM (ZLI7S)

40 Have read content on my tablet. Read a Substack article this morning a guy is going to sue government and a company for shutting down his 1st Amendment rights with proof they requested he be shut down.

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 03:56 PM (xhxe8)

41 I would add any government employee or affiliate in the defamation is fired, stripped of pension vehicles, barred from further government work and open to be sued.
Posted by: Beartooth at April 19, 2023 03:54 PM (SJLjq)

Sovereign Immunity is a clear contradiction of the idea of Equal Protection under the Law.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 03:57 PM (oHd/0)

42 And that's why I cheer the collapse of any newspaper, magazine, or cable "news" show. May all of them perish.
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Everything in Manhattan is organized crime. Dittos San Fran.

Posted by: Great White Hunter at April 19, 2023 03:57 PM (4eKPg)

43 >>I hear Chuy makes more than Ace.


Ace's big mistake was not Tradmarking 'FartClam'

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (P7IZS)

44 Have read content on my tablet. Read a Substack article this morning a guy is going to sue government and a company for shutting down his 1st Amendment rights with proof they requested he be shut down.

Alex Berenson?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (Bd6X8)

45 I hear Chuy makes more than Ace.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at April 19, 2023 03:56 PM (atmen)
.......

It's all the side jobs.

Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (v0R5T)

46 Twitchy has videos of Fetterman chairing a committee hearing and asking questions. It's sad but this guy shouldn't be allowed to answer a phone

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (Uk8NJ)

47 36 "Does Ace get paid by the word?
Posted by: wth"

Yes. Guess which one it is!

Bird.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 03:55 PM (Bd6X

Come on.. GREASE is the word...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (oHd/0)

48 Those dreaded folks in the Cincinnati office...

Posted by: Inogame at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (53oGX)

49 >>>40 Have read content on my tablet. Read a Substack article this morning a guy is going to sue government and a company for shutting down his 1st Amendment rights with proof they requested he be shut down.

that sounds familiar.

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (iHBZj)

50 All the 3 letters are subverting our precious democracy. It should have been stopped after Lois Lerner but it wasn't. It has gotten out of control now.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (o3pN8)

51 it must only be for Scientific Purposes, to better understand how Russians and Republicans (but they repeat themselves) use disinformation.

No one else believes this. Just the hard-left propagandists of the media.
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Guess who else doesn't believe it.

The hard left propagandists of the media.

Posted by: ... at April 19, 2023 03:59 PM (r3JTF)

52 DiResta???yeah, totally legit

Posted by: runner at April 19, 2023 04:00 PM (xNg0H)

53 >>that sounds familiar.


Add some Corn Beef and MuhRussian! Dressing and you have most of Reuben, there.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 04:00 PM (P7IZS)

54 Great, if long, piece but I was struck how it is now a scientific FACT that Russian Influence DECIDED the 2016 Election, as the ex-Soviets undermined Hillary's campaign to elect Trump.

But didn't Hillary have to pay a fine for involving the Russians IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 19, 2023 04:00 PM (mR6Gs)

55 Come on.. GREASE is the word...

Nice try. Everybody's heard about the bird.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:00 PM (Bd6X8)

56 Leftist doing what Leftist tyrants do.Kinda like expecting ms-13 to not be ms-13.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at April 19, 2023 04:01 PM (ytSiK)

57 >>EXCLUSIVE — The multinational software company Oracle is cutting ties with the Global Disinformation Index, a State Department-funded group that the Washington Examiner revealed has been secretly blacklisting conservative media outlets.

https://tinyurl.com/3ycx2zzy

Posted by: JackStraw at April 19, 2023 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)

58 She claims that she thought she was just participating in "an experiment" -- an experiment to see if disinformation could successfully get a Democrat to edge out a Republican in a real live election. She claims -- and those behind this disinformation scheme claim -- they were just running an "experiment" during a real election using real ads intended to manipulate real voters, but they "designed the experiment" to be so "limited" as that it could not have any significant impact on the race.

Oh, they "designed" an "experiment" to only rig a live US election a little bit? What safeguards did they put on this highly illegal operation? Its design? Did you have a plan to pull the plug if you started moving the needle too much? How did you monitor the public voting sentiment? Did you have oversight to ensure the safeguards were followed? Did you purposefully choose an election race that was expected to be unwinnable and only help the loser a teeny bit, or did you choose a close race? If so, why?

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:02 PM (R38qh)

59 There is a guy in jail for posting a meme.

If a Twitter meme is material voter suppression to the tune of 4 years hard time these people should be in a penal colony for life.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 19, 2023 04:02 PM (PaaaF)

60 > EXCLUSIVE — The multinational software company Oracle is cutting ties with the Global Disinformation Index, a State Department-funded group that the Washington Examiner revealed has been secretly blacklisting conservative media outlets.

Good for Oracle.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (R38qh)

61 Death to Zeon!

Posted by: Archer at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (gmo/4)

62 If a Twitter meme is material voter suppression to the tune of 4 years hard time these people should be in a penal colony for life.

Hey, precedent is a real judicial principal, right?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (0hOvj)

63 "using it to try to divide Republicans and even to endorse a write-in candidate to draw votes"

Sounds familiar. Oh yeah, just like the trolls in the comment section at AOSHQ.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (8Voqu)

64 Good luck with that. If it ever made it to FJB's desk, which it wouldn't, he'd veto it.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (KiBMU)

65 "Lastly, there must be allowance for huge, and I do mean huge, punitive damage awards if the company engaged in suppression-of-speech-by-defamation is funded by any government money at all."

***

When the coming Great Unpleasantness finally gets here, a lot of these people are going to be looking back on the above as a best case scenario for their future.

It's amazing to see a large group of people do things like this and then somehow imagine good things will turn out for them in the coming years.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (wb1YC)

66 59 There is a guy in jail for posting a meme.

If a Twitter meme is material voter suppression to the tune of 4 years hard time these people should be in a penal colony for life.
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Further, if this guy is found guilty then so is Twitter and all posting boards.

Posted by: Great White Hunter at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (4eKPg)

67 Ace, you're in the "Congress needs to pass a bill stage," but I'm in the "We're in the Post-Law Era of American History stage."

Even if a law was passed, and a President exists who would sign it, it won't be enforced.

The actual solution will likely never occur.

Posted by: Oldstoke at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (z7sfH)

68 >>EXCLUSIVE — The multinational software company Oracle is cutting ties with the Global Disinformation Index, a State Department-funded group that the Washington Examiner revealed has been secretly blacklisting conservative media outlets.

https://tinyurl.com/3ycx2zzy

Wow. When you're a big enough bunch of scumbags that Oracle bails, maybe you've gone too far.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:04 PM (Bd6X8)

69 55 Come on.. GREASE is the word...

Nice try. Everybody's heard about the bird.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:00 PM (Bd6X

But... it's got Groove! It's got Meaning!

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 04:04 PM (oHd/0)

70 Sorry ace, but this shit is not going to get fixed through the "law" or any other system of power currently in place. Those tools are only going to be allowed to be wielded by one side, those on the side of power.

It's going to take something a bit more robust to fix this problem. More akin to flipping over the table.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 19, 2023 04:05 PM (TIcXN)

71 Also, given CIA's loooooooooooong history of rigging elections all over the world, why was such an "experiment" necessary? Don't you already have all the data you'll ever need?

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:05 PM (R38qh)

72 I can't stand these kind of stories, they're just to enraging and depressing at the same time.

Posted by: Tom at April 19, 2023 04:05 PM (UjkZy)

73 What did Musk say about cutting 80% of twitter "workers" , that if you're not running a propaganda and censorship outfit, you find that you really don't need that many people? I am paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

Posted by: runner at April 19, 2023 04:05 PM (xNg0H)

74 Electoral fraud, subversion, and interference is largely a myth. It's almost not worth talking about.

Even though there is demonstrable, material proof we are either too lazy and cowardly to examine and it will cost us elections for years to come.

But never mind that. That Biden, sure is demented- ain't he?

Posted by: Republicans at April 19, 2023 04:05 PM (8Voqu)

75 Of course I know her story is BS. I'm just pontificating.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:06 PM (R38qh)

76 "But... it's got Groove! It's got Meaning!"

I thought it was "In the groove, hear the squealing"

Posted by: fd at April 19, 2023 04:06 PM (iayUP)

77 My opening proposal of a 1% tax on social media advertising was too low.

It should be a 25% tax on ALL online advertising.

There is no reason we shouldn't support taxes that put the MSM and social media out of business.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 19, 2023 04:06 PM (1nfCC)

78 If congress gets involved, whatever solution they come up with will most certainly curtail your freedoms.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 19, 2023 04:06 PM (u73oe)

79 The GDI risk assessment of this site must be through the roof high. I mean, us based AF Morons don't use much else to get our clear eyed unbiased Russia Russia Russia bad, Ukraine good information.

Posted by: BifBewalski at April 19, 2023 04:07 PM (3CCua)

80 Further, if this guy is found guilty then so is Twitter and all posting boards.
Posted by: Great White Hunter at April 19, 2023 04:03 PM (4eKPg)

He was found guilty. Sentenced to TEN YEARS.

So, when do we indict Hillary for the Russian Collusion, which CLEARLY interfered in the election?

or the Hunter Biden story suppression?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 04:07 PM (oHd/0)

81 We're the Zeons now.

Posted by: Archer at April 19, 2023 04:07 PM (gmo/4)

82 But... it's got Groove! It's got Meaning!

*puts hands over ears, starts yelling*

A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word!

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:07 PM (Bd6X8)

83 We're the Zeons now.
Posted by: Archer "

I'm ok with that.

Posted by: man who lives as a pig at April 19, 2023 04:08 PM (iayUP)

84 tl:dr

Posted by: jeet at April 19, 2023 04:08 PM (YdEcD)

85 Roy Moore lost because stupid Republican voters believed the semi pedo propaganda about Moore. including more than 1/2 the commenters at aos.

Posted by: yeah whatever at April 19, 2023 04:08 PM (76TDd)

86 82 But... it's got Groove! It's got Meaning!

*puts hands over ears, starts yelling*

A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word!
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:07 PM (Bd6X

/waggles eyebrows...

but... Oh... SANDY!

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 04:08 PM (oHd/0)

87 I thought it was "In the groove, hear the squealing"

That's the second stanza

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (0hOvj)

88 59 There is a guy in jail for posting a meme.

If a Twitter meme is material voter suppression to the tune of 4 years hard time these people should be in a penal colony for life.
Posted by: TexasDan at April 19, 2023 04:02 PM (PaaaF)

——
Agree

We are beyond needing new laws, they’ll end up just being used against the Right anyway.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (cMXNt)

89 85 Roy Moore lost because stupid Republican voters believed the semi pedo propaganda about Moore. including more than 1/2 the commenters at aos.
Posted by: yeah whatever at April 19, 2023 04:08 PM (76TDd)

Yup.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (oHd/0)

90 What's the most Republican county in AL? I'm sure they've got fiberoptic cables running through there so they can claim jurisdiction to try the New Knowledge people for election interference. Just like the Feds got Ricky Vaughn in front of a Brooklyn jury.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (3vCGB)

91 What's really amusing, though, is that the left, despite spending millions on digital whisper campaigns, still finds it necessary to cheat in order to win elections.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (2YtOq)

92 surely that guilty verdict for a MEME is being appealed. Right?

Posted by: free tibet at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (iNp3L)

93 Roy Moore lost because stupid Republican voters believed the semi pedo propaganda about Moore. including more than 1/2 the commenters at aos.

High five. He was an oddball but is he any weirder or worse than what's already in congress?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:09 PM (0hOvj)

94 @12
Posted by: Blago

I remain unconvinced that Trump has arrived at understanding this. Ruthless Trump we won't get unless...

Posted by: micky at April 19, 2023 04:10 PM (3byMq)

95 >But make a meme about Dems texting to vote and/or voting on the first Wednesday in November and it's ten years in PMITA prison.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 03:50 PM (Bd6X

Obvious joke meme from a lone rando citizen is the most serious election interference, but a government-funded shadow group running astroturf ops specifically designed to influence an election isn't a problem in the slightest.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 19, 2023 04:10 PM (TIcXN)

96 >>Roy Moore lost because stupid Republican voters believed the semi pedo propaganda about Moore. including more than 1/2 the commenters at aos.


He lost my Vote.

Of course, I'm not from Alabama.

So I doubt it hurt him.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 04:10 PM (P7IZS)

97 76 "But... it's got Groove! It's got Meaning!"

I thought it was "In the groove, hear the squealing"
Posted by: fd

Your version fits AOS more better.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:10 PM (t9aCs)

98 We should be ramping up our mail in balloting efforts in states where it is legal. We should also be working to make electoral changes where the law permits it- which was the yeomans work Harmeet Dhillon wanted to do. Instead we got this ass jiggler, Rona, who, says, "seriously you guys the overpaid demonstrably ignorant consultants really work. No, they do, stop laughing".

Even Trump was pitching some of this to donors yesterday.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:10 PM (8Voqu)

99 Just like the Feds got Ricky Vaughn in front of a Brooklyn jury.

He should have stuck to pitching for the Indians.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:10 PM (0hOvj)

100 >>That's the second stanza


The Ramones figured out a way around all of that confusion.

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 04:11 PM (P7IZS)

101 The balls on that Reneé DiResta chick!

Posted by: Ricky Vaughn at April 19, 2023 04:11 PM (Utk5s)

102 >Read a Substack article this morning a guy is going to sue government and a company for shutting down his 1st Amendment rights with proof they requested he be shut down.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 03:56 PM (xhxe

Insert "No Standing --Hawaiian Judge" quip here

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 19, 2023 04:11 PM (TIcXN)

103 Forget about the curve ball, Ricky, give him the heater.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 19, 2023 04:12 PM (u73oe)

104 The effort that went into defeating Trump wasn't just a few hundred million spent by Biden.
When you add in the millions in direct support by the media.
The millions in censorship by all media.
The millions by big tech in censorship, donations and promotions.

We'd be on the low side if the guess was $4 billion in actual and in-kind.

And this is what we know. We're barely scratching the surface of collusion, manipulation and brazen law-breaking that was done to defeat him.

We do not have free and fair elections in this country anymore.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 19, 2023 04:13 PM (1nfCC)

105
Funny how there's a shitload of fucking Limey poofters, organizations, intelligence agent wankers, private companies, and government agencies involved in fucking around in our elections.

Among the many policies in the coming Cur Administration will be a thorough rethinking of the US/UK relationship.

"Nice F-35s you have there in the RAF and Royal Navy. It'd be a shame if Boeing were to suddenly end up with a serious production backlog of aircraft and parts, motherfucker. Have fun with Harry Windsor returning when his US green card is revoked, assholes."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 19, 2023 04:13 PM (n+4am)

106 I am absolutely convinced our system has been taken over and we are going down

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:13 PM (xhxe8)

107 "Lastly, there must be allowance for huge, and I do mean huge, punitive damage awards if the company engaged in suppression-of-speech-by-defamation is funded by any government money at all."

And an all expenses paid trip to Disneyland!!

Oh wait.

*skulks away*

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:14 PM (8Voqu)

108 77 My opening proposal of a 1% tax on social media advertising was too low.

It should be a 25% tax on ALL online advertising.

There is no reason we shouldn't support taxes that put the MSM and social media out of business.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 19, 2023 04:06 PM (1nfCC)

—-__

I’ll go one better, outlaw all sale of data collected on social media sites. On sites with an X number of users, outlaw all ads.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 19, 2023 04:14 PM (cMXNt)

109 It's going to take something a bit more robust to fix this problem. More akin to flipping over the table.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 19, 2023 04:05 PM (TIcXN)

I am sure that many of the buildings that house these corrupt agencies, foundations, and think tanks are jerry-built firetraps.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2023 04:14 PM (tkR6S)

110 I remain unconvinced that Trump has arrived at understanding this. Ruthless Trump we won't get unless...
Posted by: micky

And just how is a Prezzie going to stop it when all of the appointees and Congress including GOP say no including GOP appointed federal judges. I would include DeSantis as not knowing or caring what time it is.

Unless people understand that the Uniparty is rigging elections by various means including voter fraud, disinformation, media control (including who Fox network shows and does not show) and so on, electing DeSantis or Trump does not really matter.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:14 PM (t9aCs)

111 Forget about the curve ball, Ricky, give him the heater.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 19, 2023 04:12 PM (u73oe)

One of the best lines in that movie was edited out and only used in the promos.
"Name a park he wouldn't have hit that our of?"
"Yellowstone."

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 19, 2023 04:14 PM (OgrpQ)

112 Funny how there's a shitload of fucking Limey poofters, organizations, intelligence agent wankers, private companies, and government agencies involved in fucking around in our elections.

I think a lot of it is how the CIA gets around the technical word of the law banning them from domestic operations. They use MI6 for special relationship proxy ops in the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:15 PM (0hOvj)

113 >> I am absolutely convinced our system has been taken over and we are going down


Careful Skip. That's awful close to Endorsing Kamala in 24

Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 04:15 PM (P7IZS)

114 Congress needs to pass a bill...

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They sure do. A bill of attainder. On themselves. One that calls for their own immediate executions. As soon as they finish voting on it, they can all kill one another, and the last decrepit old crook standing can beat himself to death with the gavel.

That's the only bill I care about those fags passing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 19, 2023 04:16 PM (oINRc)

115 19 This doesn't, you know, like, preferentially move him up to the front of the deep-fried bacon line, does it?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 19, 2023 03:51 PM

No bacon for me in Oct. :-( Unable to attend this year.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 19, 2023 04:16 PM (4q/mG)

116 One of the best lines in that movie was edited out and only used in the promos.

That drove me nuts for a long time, I remembered the line but I couldn't ever hear it any time I watched Major League. I hate it when they do that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:16 PM (0hOvj)

117 Five Eyes is the CIA end-around and has been for ages.

Posted by: Oldstoke at April 19, 2023 04:16 PM (z7sfH)

118 Roy Moore lost because stupid Republican voters believed the semi pedo propaganda about Moore. including more than 1/2 the commenters at aos.
Posted by: yeah whatever at April 19, 2023 04:08 PM (76TDd)

True. I don't know precisely how many here believed it, but there were some, for sure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2023 04:16 PM (tkR6S)

119 112 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:15 PM (0hOvj)

Sovereignty washing, CIA and MI6 do it for each other all the time to allow operations against disfavored citizens on home soil...

in even the 90s this would have been scandalous, 9/11 was the camel's nose in the tent.

Posted by: sven at April 19, 2023 04:17 PM (Lzpvj)

120 I ended up with several fundraising emails from Doug Jones after he was elected. I have no idea how this sack of fail ended up with my email address.

I replied back and told him it'd be a cold day in hell before he ever saw a dime from me and also not to get too comfortable in office because his ass was out of there come the next election.

For those who didn't keep up with that election between him and Moore, his margin of victory in votes was less than the number of write in votes in that election. They cheated their ass off and still only barely won.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 19, 2023 04:17 PM (wb1YC)

121 Former First Lady and twice failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was roasted on Twitter after trying to troll Republicans over their brawl with Disney by posting an old photo of herself, Bill Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton posing with Donald Duck, proclaiming, “As Republicans declare war on Disney, I know whose side I’m on…”

“Bill used to have to go to Disney before Epstein Island opened,” one Twitter user commented.

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:17 PM (RHGPo)

122 I think a lot of it is how the CIA gets around the technical word of the law banning them from domestic operations. They use MI6 for special relationship proxy ops in the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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It is not only MI6 but other countries, even KCIA and Paki intel were set up by the CIA. I would not be surprised at the least that the CIA cooperates on occasion with Russian and Chinese intel such as the trial of Guo in NYC.

The intel community in the US views everyone outside of it as potential enemies essentially and that includes Americans.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:17 PM (t9aCs)

123 Careful Skip. That's awful close to Endorsing Kamala in 24
Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2023 04:15 PM (P7IZS)
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Met a soon to be former cop from LA who's convinced Gavin is going to be the next President. Yeah, he's not pleased at the idea, to say the least.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at April 19, 2023 04:17 PM (2YtOq)

124 Going down the toilet, not what the Ho is doing

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (xhxe8)

125 Democrats will vote for anyone Biden Fetterman. We Republicans with our principles turn our noses up at Roy Moore.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (o3pN8)

126 If you did a sack check in Washington you'd come up deuces.

That's the biggest problem we have.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (8Voqu)

127 118 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2023 04:16 PM (tkR6S)

The right is doomed because they will never close ranks, the lost however many from 2016 here is an indicator I miss some of them personally but on a political level they were fops and dandies.

There is no sin so bad the left cannot look past it to keep the whiphand....

there is no reason to close ranks some republicans can ever find.

Posted by: sven at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (Lzpvj)

128 >>Unless people understand that the Uniparty is rigging elections by various means including voter fraud, disinformation, media control (including who Fox network shows and does not show) and so on, electing DeSantis or Trump does not really matter.

The first and most important way to accomplish this is to make sure that people actually knows this happening. I think we often take it for granted that the whole country knows what we do when the real number is a tiny fraction. Most people do not care and do not pay attention to this stuff and neither Trump nor DeSantis nor any of us are going to fix it without way more people getting involved.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 19, 2023 04:19 PM (ZLI7S)

129 Here is ABC News actually adopting the Dem left's political talking point as their factual headline, which is a lie in all reality that they well know:

"So-called 'Don't Say Gay' rules expanded through 12th grade in Florida" - ABC Headline 4/19/23
https://tinyurl.com/2p8cwy8m

This is pretty much an "in your face" political endorsement of one party over another. ABC even lies to you in the second paragraph of the article where their news reporters say falsely that Florida's Parent's Rights in Education bill bans all discussion of gender up to the 3rd grade - that is an out and out fabrication only promoted by the DNC and the left and they damn well know that.

This news organization isn't even Soviet Union Pravda level savvy in its BS - it's become a pathetic collection of childish Marxist revolutionary babies that just write down whatever they like or want - they don't even care anymore if everyone knows already it's just silly unsubstantiated crap.

Posted by: Boswell at April 19, 2023 04:19 PM (+Cgut)

130 120 I ended up with several fundraising emails from Doug Jones after he was elected. I have no idea how this sack of fail ended up with my email address.

I replied back and told him it'd be a cold day in hell before he ever saw a dime from me and also not to get too comfortable in office because his ass was out of there come the next election.

For those who didn't keep up with that election between him and Moore, his margin of victory in votes was less than the number of write in votes in that election. They cheated their ass off and still only barely won.

Posted by: Azathoth
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Mitch was cooperating with the Dems over electing Doug Jones so very probably he had the Republican Senate Committee turn over voter donor and contact information to the Dems.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:19 PM (t9aCs)

131 20 I ended up with several fundraising emails from Doug Jones after he was elected. I have no idea how this sack of fail ended up with my email address.

.. hint .. if you get one of those business return envelopes, be sure to return it. They have to pay top dollar to get the Post Office to return those, so spend their money, and return it.

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:19 PM (RHGPo)

132 Going down the toilet, not what the Ho is doing
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (xhxe8

Unless you tell her a horny, powerful old man is living in the sewer. Then she'll find a way to fit through the pee trap.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 19, 2023 04:19 PM (oINRc)

133 125 Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (o3pN

Correct, go on Twitchy and watch Grok! Fetterman in all his glory running a hearing.

"This is fine!"

We face an opponent who has transferred evangelical religious fervor into the place where political dispassion is supposed to live and our side refuses to close ranks.

Posted by: sven at April 19, 2023 04:20 PM (Lzpvj)

134 I've got to go with Grease because of Sandy's tight black pants.

Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 04:20 PM (v0R5T)

135 Berenson and his Lolyers chose US sec 1985 to sue under. They're smart so prob makes sense. But for the life of me idk how this stuff isn't US sec 1983. I keep expecting a tsunami of 1983 suits but not yet.

1983 allows atty's fees too so the Plaintiff's atty's should be all over it.

*shrug*

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 19, 2023 04:20 PM (xTEr5)

136 wow, I can't even.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 19, 2023 04:21 PM (MLrvz)

137 The chief problem with all this is that the scheme of coordination, cutouts, pressuring advertisers etc is so diffuse and complex that it can never be sold to the average low info voter like "Nixon broke into the Watergate Hotel."

I think the best ways to put this into the public/political debate in a serious way would be to make a documentary about it. Has Dinesh shown interest?

That and for all the "hearings" in DC don't they think this would warrant an actual subcommittee on Weaponization, specific to: Government Directed Suppression of Speech?

And legally, all this is massive violations of 18 USC 241 (conspiracy to deprive a citizen of civil rights under color of law). Why can't the MyPillow guy or ChickFilet or other rich conservatives fund an actual law firm to start bringing these?

Posted by: Zek at April 19, 2023 04:21 PM (5FPX4)

138 The first and most important way to accomplish this is to make sure that people actually knows this happening. I think we often take it for granted that the whole country knows what we do when the real number is a tiny fraction. Most people do not care and do not pay attention to this stuff and neither Trump nor DeSantis nor any of us are going to fix it without way more people getting involved.
Posted by: JackStraw
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People know something is wrong (wrong track right track figures) but they just don't know what to do about it or are resigned about the result aka both sides are corrupt and just don't care anymore.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (t9aCs)

139 This story illustrates, yet again, how the Republican Party refuses to engage in the PR campaign at their own detriment, even though the are sitting on huge campaign warchest.

And it also (I believe at least) illustrates how the real leaders of the Republican Party will let leftwing groups funded by Democrat donors, go and tear down a conservative primary candidate who's a treat to McConnell and the good-ole-boys.

What the Republicans allowed to happen to Roy Moore in Alabama - and likely in coordination with Dems - was one of the most outrageous jobs of character assassination, just so McConnel could keep out someone who wouldn't tote his line.
Say what you want about Roy Moore but the Republican Party let that man get destroyed and threw a seat to the Democrats in order to send a message to conservative voters. That message? You're not welcome and we will destroy you.

FUCK THE REPUBLICANS! THEY LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN!

Posted by: Tracy at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (2aUa7)

140 Gruesome is my odds on bet to be next Democrat/ Marxists nomination, meaning he wins the Presidency

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (xhxe8)

141 There is no sin so bad the left cannot look past it to keep the whiphand....

there is no reason to close ranks some republicans can ever find.
Posted by: sven at April 19, 2023 04:18 PM (Lzpvj)

Well tbf the DEMs don't have anyone cheating against them.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (xTEr5)

142 Clearly the answer here is to send billions more to Ukraine and to pass an assault weapons ban.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (u73oe)

143 .. hint .. if you get one of those business return envelopes, be sure to return it. They have to pay top dollar to get the Post Office to return those, so spend their money, and return it.

My dad got so tired of those postage-paid cards that fluttered out of magazines like snow that he gathered them all up, got some pig iron, glued the iron to the cards, and sent them back. Postage paid by the company.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:23 PM (0hOvj)

144 I think a lot of it is how the CIA gets around the technical word of the law banning them from domestic operations. They use MI6 for special relationship proxy ops in the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

They don't need to get around anything. They do what they want when they want and nobody is going to do anything about it.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 04:23 PM (o3pN8)

145 sec 1983 is the civil counterpart of sec 241, but the point remains...

Posted by: Zek at April 19, 2023 04:23 PM (5FPX4)

146 "911 calls within the building report hearing an explosion within a basement unit. We are evacuating the building as a safety precaution. HazMat crews are also responding."

.@SeattlePD just told us they’re trying to diffuse a device. Backing everyone up 2-blocks and telling people to stay inside. 1st Ave N and Denny Way. #komonews

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (RHGPo)

147 So you have this government/private partnerships doing “experiments” and then other government/private partnerships doing “war gaming”.

For the life of me both of those terms seem to be euphemisms for “criminal conspiracy”.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (cMXNt)

148 Twitchy has videos of Fetterman chairing a committee hearing and asking questions. It's sad but this guy shouldn't be allowed to answer a phone
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (Uk8NJ)

This is perverse. The Dems have their walking corpse in the Senate to get the vote. There's no need to prop him up and go through these farces. Senate hearings are enough of a joke with normal Senators.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (eoQWY)

149 Great post. Very informative.

And jackshit will happen to these people.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (TU8Tj)

150 Why can't the MyPillow guy or ChickFilet or other rich conservatives fund an actual law firm to start bringing these?

Ego?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (Bd6X8)

151 135 Berenson and his Lolyers chose US sec 1985 to sue under. They're smart so prob makes sense. But for the life of me idk how this stuff isn't US sec 1983. I keep expecting a tsunami of 1983 suits but not yet.

1983 allows atty's fees too so the Plaintiff's atty's should be all over it.

*shrug*
Posted by: Thesokorus
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Go and read Scotus cases interpreting 1983 and it makes it very difficult for successful lawsuits other than racial discrimination. People don't know this but Scotus, once they have interpreted a statute's language, will not revisit interpretation (constitutional challenges are a bit different). They view it as Congress's job to fix it, not theirs.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (t9aCs)

152 Gruesome is my odds on bet to be next Democrat/ Marxists nomination, meaning he wins the Presidency
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (xhxe


b-bb-but w-wut a-a-about mmme?

Posted by: Robert Kennedy Jr. at April 19, 2023 04:25 PM (v0R5T)

153 My dad got so tired of those postage-paid cards that fluttered out of magazines like snow that he gathered them all up, got some pig iron, glued the iron to the cards, and sent them back. Postage paid by the company.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:23 PM (0hOvj)

heard that the PO just tosses those sort of things and the people pay nothing.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 04:25 PM (eoQWY)

154 If you don't understand how absolutely insane liberals are about beating, and I do mean beating Republicans, you should make some new friends. Almost all of the liberals truly want an authoritarian solution to deal with anyone who doesn't share their opinions. They don't care about constitution, the law, comity, humanity, free speech, free exercise of religion, fair elections or anything remotely civil. They want you dead, beaten, coerced, forced, belittled, jobless, destitute and shunned. They will do anything it takes to gain and hold power. There really are no limits. They don't want debate that leads to the truth. They believe they are correct about every one of their opinions or beliefs and they don't want any further discussion. You see, it's all "settled". Which means they don't care if they're wrong, they know they're right in their hearts, peasants. At some point people will wake up to this and start playing by their rules, because the next person who states "that's not who we are", gets throat punched, beaten with a shovel, lit on fire and thrown down a flight of stairs into a basement pit.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:25 PM (8Voqu)

155 148 Twitchy has videos of Fetterman chairing a committee hearing and asking questions. It's sad but this guy shouldn't be allowed to answer a phone
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (Uk8NJ)

This is perverse. The Dems have their walking corpse in the Senate to get the vote. There's no need to prop him up and go through these farces. Senate hearings are enough of a joke with normal Senators.
Posted by: Oldcat
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This is Dems own twist on Caligula appointing his horse to the Senate for the lulz over the plebes.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:26 PM (t9aCs)

156 149 Great post. Very informative.

And jackshit will happen to these people.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (TU8Tj)

That's what makes this all so infuriating. Years after the criminal bullshit, someone shines a light on the malfeasance and every goes 'oh welp'!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 19, 2023 04:26 PM (WEqNk)

157 I doubt the CIA really needs outside help for internal surveillance. All they have to is call their good buddies at the FBI. Heck, the upper echelons of the FBI are probably "former" CIA people.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at April 19, 2023 04:26 PM (2YtOq)

158 Heh, California launched a new program to help people get new homes. It was a grant to help pay for part of the cost of downpayment on a house.

It was tapped out in 12 days, all $300,000,000. Mostly white folks, too, despite the clear intent and push of the fund.

https://tinyurl.com/ytehf3p8

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:27 PM (0hOvj)

159 Clearly the answer here is to send billions more to Ukraine and to pass an assault weapons ban.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 19, 2023 04:22 PM (u73oe)
........

MITCH!! Great to have you back. How's the noggin?

Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 04:27 PM (v0R5T)

160 Go and read Scotus cases interpreting 1983 and it makes it very difficult for successful lawsuits other than racial discrimination. People don't know this but Scotus, once they have interpreted a statute's language, will not revisit interpretation (constitutional challenges are a bit different). They view it as Congress's job to fix it, not theirs.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (t9aCs)

True. But they have the Justices now. And deference is just convenience. Roberts may screw them buy make him do it.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 19, 2023 04:28 PM (xTEr5)

161 Why can't the MyPillow guy or ChickFilet or other rich conservatives fund an actual law firm to start bringing these?
Posted by: Zek at April 19, 2023 04:21 PM (5FPX4)

——-

Because the Feds will raid said law firm, arrest everyone, seize all records and finances.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 19, 2023 04:28 PM (cMXNt)

162 For the individual people, censorship is fairly easy - just tell Facebook and Twitter and Google and Facebook and Verizon and Microsoft and Amazon to take care of it for you. Poof. Done. Like magic.

Enterprises are harder, because they're more visible. That's where good old-fashioned fascism comes in. There's a slightly different color to it, but it's all the same old crap.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 19, 2023 04:28 PM (t0OGg)

163 148 Twitchy has videos of Fetterman chairing a committee hearing and asking questions. It's sad but this guy shouldn't be allowed to answer a phone
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 19, 2023 03:58 PM (Uk8NJ)

This is perverse. The Dems have their walking corpse in the Senate to get the vote. There's no need to prop him up and go through these farces. Senate hearings are enough of a joke with normal Senators.
Posted by: Oldcat
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This is Dems own twist on Caligula appointing his horse to the Senate for the lulz over the plebes.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:26 PM (t9aCs)

This isnt' messing with the plebs, its messing with themselves. It makes no sense. Regular folks never gave a shit about Senate deliberations.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 04:28 PM (eoQWY)

164 This country is so fucked....

Posted by: Helpy Helperton at April 19, 2023 04:28 PM (RG7Wy)

165 129 Here is ABC News actually adopting the Dem left's political talking point as their factual headline, which is a lie in all reality that they well know:

"So-called 'Don't Say Gay' rules expanded through 12th grade in Florida" - ABC Headline 4/19/23
https://tinyurl.com/2p8cwy8m

This is pretty much an "in your face" political endorsement of one party over another. ABC even lies to you in the second paragraph of the article where their news reporters say falsely that Florida's Parent's Rights in Education bill bans all discussion of gender up to the 3rd grade - that is an out and out fabrication only promoted by the DNC and the left and they damn well know that.

This news organization isn't even Soviet Union Pravda level savvy in its BS - it's become a pathetic collection of childish Marxist revolutionary babies that just write down whatever they like or want - they don't even care anymore if everyone knows already it's just silly unsubstantiated crap.
Posted by: Boswell
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ABC is owned by Disney and has been a Democrat bastion for decades even before the Clinton years.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (t9aCs)

166 It was tapped out in 12 days, all $300,000,000. Mostly white folks, too, despite the clear intent and push of the fund.

https://tinyurl.com/ytehf3p8
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:27 PM (0hOvj)

In clown world? What did it help buy? 150 houses

Posted by: A dude in MI at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (/6GbT)

167 why did the transgender man eat only salad?

Because he was a her before! (herbivore...)

sorry just thought it was funny

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (0hOvj)

168 I have to go look up Twichy to see my Senator in action

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (xhxe8)

169 I don't know why everyone in that room today was cringing when Fetterman was opening that meeting.

This is what they all wanted. This is the state of their career now. Sitting around in clown makeup with the other clowns waiting for a guy whose brain keeps coming up with a boot disc error every 30 seconds.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (wb1YC)

170 This isnt' messing with the plebs, its messing with themselves. It makes no sense. Regular folks never gave a shit about Senate deliberations.
Posted by: Oldcat

If you honestly believe that Dem senators have agency, you need to take another look. If anything, the leftist mobs and donors to the DNC own the Dems hook line and sinker at the national level and the Dems dance to their tune however ridiculous and pointless.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (t9aCs)

171 It was tapped out in 12 days, all $300,000,000. Mostly white folks, too, despite the clear intent and push of the fund.

https://tinyurl.com/ytehf3p8
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:27 PM (0hOvj)

In clown world? What did it help buy? 150 houses
Posted by: A dude in MI at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (/6GbT)

Why buy the house? Do we think they are going to check?

Probably 90 percent went to fixers and cousins of politicians who already have houses.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (eoQWY)

172 ABC is owned by Disney and has been a Democrat bastion for decades even before the Clinton years.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (t9aCs)
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All of the big nets were, and remain that way. That ABC is owned by Disney is probably secondary, but certainly doesn't help much. It doesn't really matter *who* owns an American news company because all "American" newsmen are on the same page, and have been for decades.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (t0OGg)

173 Newsome's best feature is that he just looks like the perfect candidate

His worse feature is that he just looks like the perfect candidate.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 19, 2023 04:31 PM (mR6Gs)

174 Marcus T, epic rant. We know that about the left. Sadly few on the right get it or are willing to do anything about it.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 04:33 PM (o3pN8)

175 ... It was tapped out in 12 days, all $300,000,000. Mostly white folks, too, despite the clear intent and push of the fund. ...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:27 PM (0hOvj)
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And the average down payment grant was $125k. Using traditional, old-school math of 20% down, that implies an average purchase price of $625k. Not much in California (coastal CA, anyway) for $625k.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 19, 2023 04:33 PM (t0OGg)

176 Does anyone have a shortcut for finding a freaking primary care doctor.

Mine retired.

I swear they make this crap hard on purpose.

I went to my insurance company's provider list and searched for primary care. They gave me a nice list of 1,200 doctors. So far so good. I started calling the ones that said they were accepting new patients. So far, the only humans I've been able to reach have told me the doctor is NOT accepting new patients. Crap.

Also, 80% of these doctors are part of some clinic that has a whole bunch of doctors, but nobody answers the damn phone. You have to leave a message and hope they call back. They don't call back. In the last couple of weeks I've left at least three dozen messages at as many local clinics. I have received ZERO calls.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (R38qh)

177 Why can't the MyPillow guy or ChickFilet or other rich conservatives fund an actual law firm to start bringing these?

Ego?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 04:24 PM (Bd6X

Mike Lindell is out of his mind. The Chick-Fil-Et guy is a pussy.

Posted by: Robert at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (yUoen)

178 If you honestly believe that Dem senators have agency, you need to take another look. If anything, the leftist mobs and donors to the DNC own the Dems hook line and sinker at the national level and the Dems dance to their tune however ridiculous and pointless.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (t9aCs)

Well somebody has agency and they didn't put Fetterman at a waffle house where he might affect regular folks. And the donors don't hand out chairmanships and let dudes chair meetings, thats in the Senate themselves.

I don't think Soros was calling down from his volcano lair to have Fetterman bumble his meeting.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (eoQWY)

179 And McCarthy is complaining about Biden not working with him re: debt ceiling.

We are so screwed.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (DMyTF)

180 Newsome is slicker then dog shit on wet grass. What a sleazy, oily jackass.

But then, people voted for Biden. You know, because Trump would have destroyed the country or something.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (8Voqu)

181 So when they totally "clean up" the inter webs, it will be a leftist wasteland - and dangerous. May have to brush up on my Morse code.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (oWBc3)

182 Also, 80% of these doctors are part of some clinic that has a whole bunch of doctors, but nobody answers the damn phone. You have to leave a message and hope they call back. They don't call back. In the last couple of weeks I've left at least three dozen messages at as many local clinics. I have received ZERO calls.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:34 PM (R38qh

I've gone through the same damn thing. It's ridiculous now

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 19, 2023 04:35 PM (WEqNk)

183 True. But they have the Justices now. And deference is just convenience. Roberts may screw them buy make him do it.
Posted by: Thesokorus

For decades, the GOP has made a point of appointing judicial restraint candidates for positions. That is the reason that having a GOP appointed judge makes little difference because they were appointed to that position specifically because they will not rock the boat.

You want a fix, go to the state level and make them pass laws that criminalize such actions and then get local prosecutors to go after the national figures like the Dems are doing to Trump.

The national scene is largely devoid of hope so you best go to the state level where you might get some traction.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:35 PM (t9aCs)

184 I'm all in favor, so long as the United States government may also be made liable (if any public money funds any portion, no matter how small, including funds given to organizations supporting or hired by the guilty party). In addition, any individuals associated with the defamation should also be joint and severably liable in their individual capacity.

If I could figure out how to include donors, I'd be all in on that too. Imagine Zuckerburg made liable for Media Matters farcical claims!

Until a law like Ace describes is in place our American fascism experiment will continue unabated.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 19, 2023 04:35 PM (G8EB5)

185 why did the transgender man eat only salad?

Because he was a her before! (herbivore...)

sorry just thought it was funny
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (0hOvj)

It is funny.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 04:35 PM (o3pN8)

186 Fetterman still can't understand spoken language
It looks

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:36 PM (xhxe8)

187 The problem with Newsome is that the previous two wrecker presidents have been one super lazy stoner party animal who got little done, and one brain dead guy everyone hates and mocks. But Newsome actually has it on the ball, is motivated, driven, and capable. The damage he could do is frightening to consider.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:36 PM (0hOvj)

188 No bacon for me in Oct. :-( Unable to attend this year.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Well, crap. Sorry to hear that, Scoob.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 19, 2023 04:36 PM (nfrXX)

189 Fetterman, totally OK
Roy Moore, REE! REE!

Posted by: gourmand du jour, mere pawn in game of life... at April 19, 2023 04:37 PM (jTmQV)

190 Fetterman isn't even qualified to be a dog walker. But alas, good job, Pennsylvania. Maybe now you can find an arsonist to be your fire chief.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:37 PM (8Voqu)

191 178 If you honestly believe that Dem senators have agency, you need to take another look. If anything, the leftist mobs and donors to the DNC own the Dems hook line and sinker at the national level and the Dems dance to their tune however ridiculous and pointless.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:30 PM (t9aCs)

Well somebody has agency and they didn't put Fetterman at a waffle house where he might affect regular folks. And the donors don't hand out chairmanships and let dudes chair meetings, thats in the Senate themselves.

I don't think Soros was calling down from his volcano lair to have Fetterman bumble his meeting.
Posted by: Oldcat

Donors have major input to Schumer who serves as the bagman for the Dems just like McConnell does for teh Gopes. And that includes cmte chairs. In truth, it is almost trivial to become a chair or ranking member in the Senate because by and large Senate committees are a joke. Laws are largely passed via majority/minority leader negotiations with their interest/donor groups behind the scene.

Increasingly the same is happening in the House--that is why you get the dog and pony shows for the rubes via cmte hearings.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:38 PM (t9aCs)

192 Democrats couldn't use that attack on Moore nowadays. They'd have to hold him up as a pioneer and "hero".

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:39 PM (8Voqu)

193 They hate us. They really, really hate us.

Posted by: Just Lily at April 19, 2023 04:39 PM (OTXZs)

194 ABC is owned by Disney and has been a Democrat bastion for decades even before the Clinton years.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:29 PM (t9aCs)

Yes, Whig, but major news organizations up to 2012 or so, while reliably Democrat, left and liberal, tried to behave in rational patterns, reign in their childish young idiots and/or outright liars "for the cause, otherwise they risked blowing their megaphone by being labeled as demented.

That restraint has sunk to nothing now - wild, patently reckless behavior promoting provably false information by young but still nominally adult reporters at major nbews organization is not even getting any editing or adult checking at all - its going out as is - these news organizations are being run by the majority level equivalent to the island boys from Goldings "Lord of the Flies." It's shocking but it says something about where the Western World has now sunk to...

Posted by: Boswell at April 19, 2023 04:40 PM (+Cgut)

195 "I don't think Soros was calling down from his volcano lair to have Fetterman bumble his meeting.
Posted by: Oldcat "

I just spit a perfectly good espresso.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:40 PM (8Voqu)

196 McTurtle wants to give the DOJ more money.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 19, 2023 04:40 PM (DMyTF)

197 Can you think of a better way to launder money to Dominion, 'fortify' our next elections, and 'admit' that election denying is wrong?

Posted by: Fox at April 19, 2023 04:40 PM (Sv58p)

198 Newsome is slicker then dog shit on wet grass.
.......

Slicker than deer guts on a door knob.

Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 04:40 PM (v0R5T)

199 @197 - winner

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 19, 2023 04:41 PM (oWBc3)

200 I am grateful that Musk bought Twitter and exposed the Gestapo tactics Democrats have been using against the right, but we have so much work to do and it is exhausting and overwhelming.

The Left controls everything including most minds in this country.

There is blatant propaganda and then there is subliminal propaganda. Most people don't realize the subliminal propaganda that their brains are absorbing.

Just look at the movies or television shows and you will see the camera focus on an American flag hanging on the house of the evil person inside.

People start equating the American flag with conservatives who do bad things because their brains are being taught this without them realizing it.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 19, 2023 04:41 PM (NpAcC)

201 Didn't some feller just get 10 years for posting a vote-by-text meme that "fraudulently influenced an election"?

Posted by: Zek at April 19, 2023 04:42 PM (5FPX4)

202 OT: Ordered some aftershave and razor blades from a good Canadian company. I didn't know they were going to use UPS, so I had the thing shipped to my home. Well, they can't deliver there -- I'm at work. So they are going to drop it off at the auto parts store about 1.5 miles from me. Fine . . . except this is the store (Advance Auto Parts) where I had the loud argument with the stupid manager two years ago about my refusal to wear a face diaper in the store. I got my package then, and got him in trouble with his district manager.

I wonder if he'll remember me, or if he's even still there?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 19, 2023 04:42 PM (J2vNu)

203 Slicker than deer guts on a door knob.
Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 04:40 PM (v0R5T)
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When does that ever happen??

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 19, 2023 04:42 PM (2hlEI)

204 And yes, the 2020 election and others were completely rigged.
Posted by: JackStraw

Well, that's not what I read on Linked In today, regarding the "defamation" law suit settlement between Fox News and Dominion.

"Commenters" on Linked In are actually pretty funny. In a really not-so-funny way. I read them to get a feel for what "professionals" think, and boy, are they kind of stupid. Naive'.

This article by Ace illustrates just how deep the Deep State really is. It permeates everything. Elections, information, opinion formation, etc. are all being formed by government and pseudo-government agencies. With the Left agenda driving it.

There is actually a very precise word that describes this kind of "corporatism", and it's that word that the Left uses to describe anyone they don't like; anyone to the Right of "the usual left wing suspects".

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 19, 2023 04:43 PM (vcOmj)

205 Can you think of a better way to launder money to Dominion, 'fortify' our next elections, and 'admit' that election denying is wrong?

Well exactly, Fox didn't WANT to win that case. It was just like the Obama DOJ getting sued over and over by activist groups deliberately losing so they set court precedent and funded the groups.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:43 PM (0hOvj)

206 176 Does anyone have a shortcut for finding a freaking primary care doctor.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Depending on where you are at, you would do better to get one of your existing specialists to recommend one via referral. Due to Obamacare and free Medicaid bennies plus declining compensation, most primary care docs are slammed with patients. I am in an area fortunately where I actually see several primary care doctors or even CVS minuteclinic/urgent care docs if I need one, longterm continuity of care is by my specialists not primary care docs.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:43 PM (t9aCs)

207 I be proud to announce that newst producterines of FART Tubes with the pitcrure of george Floyd on them. All proseeds will be used to helps Childrin of Coler suffering in Ukrane by Trump's war.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 19, 2023 04:43 PM (EnsGU)

208 > Didn't some feller just get 10 years for posting a vote-by-text meme that "fraudulently influenced an election"?

Yep, and there are at least a dozen examples of dems posting the exact same meme at Trump voters. Guess how many of them got prosecuted.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2023 04:44 PM (R38qh)

209 For the life of me both of those terms seem to be euphemisms for “criminal conspiracy”.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken

It's only "criminal" if there is a law that is broken, and evidence, and an indictment, etc.
"None dare call it treason
for if it be profitable
What is the reason?"

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 19, 2023 04:44 PM (vcOmj)

210 There is actually a very precise word that describes this kind of "corporatism", and it's that word that the Left uses to describe anyone they don't like; anyone to the Right of "the usual left wing suspects".
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 19, 2023 04:43 PM (vcOmj)

Racist? Hitler? Fascist?

Posted by: Just Lily at April 19, 2023 04:44 PM (OTXZs)

211 As pointed out, no one will question Dominion's voting totals for fear they will be the next lawsuit. No matter how obvious the fraud is, they are now golden.
Exactly how we're they hurt? They are in a better shape tnow than in 2020.

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:45 PM (xhxe8)

212 I would be a shame if McConnell fell again in the cloakroom, into a pair of Fetterman's smelly cargo shorts, or maybe Feinstein's droopy cleavage, and suffocated. Because it looks like he's prepared to burn the whole thing down on his way out.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:45 PM (8Voqu)

213 200 I am grateful that Musk bought Twitter and exposed the Gestapo tactics Democrats have been using against the right, but we have so much work to do and it is exhausting and overwhelming.

The Left controls everything including most minds in this country.

There is blatant propaganda and then there is subliminal propaganda. Most people don't realize the subliminal propaganda that their brains are absorbing.

Just look at the movies or television shows and you will see the camera focus on an American flag hanging on the house of the evil person inside.

People start equating the American flag with conservatives who do bad things because their brains are being taught this without them realizing it.
Posted by: redridinghood
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It is an illusion just like in the late Soviet Union period before it collapsed. No one says anything much because of treatment of dissidents but deep down, even the illegals, know the score. Time is running out until the burning occurs.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:45 PM (t9aCs)

214 @203 blood is like motor oil, dressing a deer and then trying to get into a shelter of some kind afterward is always interesting.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 19, 2023 04:45 PM (oWBc3)

215 Just got here so sorry if someone has reported this already.
Just saw video of Fetterman opening speech at the subcommittee hearing he is chairing. He sounds like a 6 yr old who just learned to read. They are not even in a hearing room but sitting around a table. Looks like they tried to find the least difficult committee for him. So,etching about food security and agriculture.
He looks ridiculous. He must really be mentally damaged to allow himself to look so pitiful.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 19, 2023 04:46 PM (Y+l9t)

216 Today the "fringe" and "humor" sites are the only ones doing more journalism than establishment jizz gargling.

Posted by: Zek at April 19, 2023 04:47 PM (5FPX4)

217 Laws are largely passed via majority/minority leader negotiations with their interest/donor groups behind the scene.

Increasingly the same is happening in the House--that is why you get the dog and pony shows for the rubes via cmte hearings.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:38 PM (t9aCs)

No elected member of the House or Senate has any clue about what's in legislation. It's all done, as you said, by interest groups working with the congressional aides.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 04:47 PM (o3pN8)

218 I can't be the only one that remembers, during Obama, the DOJ and Homeland Security getting caught, red handed, probing various State Elections websites - not too far before the mid-terms. Supposedly to "help" with election security.

And we're suddenly surprised that State is running a domestic op ? While Garland is starting prosecutions against "disinformation" ?

Posted by: Lupine from London at April 19, 2023 04:47 PM (MyyMo)

219 Yes, Whig, but major news organizations up to 2012 or so, while reliably Democrat, left and liberal, tried to behave in rational patterns, reign in their childish young idiots and/or outright liars "for the cause, otherwise they risked blowing their megaphone by being labeled as demented.

That restraint has sunk to nothing now - wild, patently reckless behavior promoting provably false information by young but still nominally adult reporters at major nbews organization is not even getting any editing or adult checking at all - its going out as is - these news organizations are being run by the majority level equivalent to the island boys from Goldings "Lord of the Flies." It's shocking but it says something about where the Western World has now sunk to...
Posted by: Boswell
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Hate to get into the generation issue but this generation coming into power ain't that of laid back X but those raised in the apocalyptic globull warming scam to believe Gaia only has months live which is extended every few years or so while raised with a silver spoon comparatively.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:48 PM (t9aCs)

220 Lists eh?
So if one plays NukeMap and targets only leftist cities, will that get someone on a list?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 19, 2023 04:49 PM (anj39)

221 Racist? Hitler? Fascist?
Posted by: Just Lily at April 19, 2023 04:44 PM (OTXZs)
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Spy? Saboteur? Fascist? All of the above?

Posted by: Neville Sinclair at April 19, 2023 04:49 PM (2hlEI)

222 No elected member of the House or Senate has any clue about what's in legislation. It's all done, as you said, by interest groups working with the congressional aides.
Posted by: JmT
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A very few do, but most elected officials are essentially PR types to market the legislation to the rubes just like the RESTRICT act. They no longer disguise the Dildoes they plan on ramming up the public's collective asses.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:50 PM (t9aCs)

223
They want you dead, beaten, coerced, forced, belittled, jobless, destitute and shunned.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:25 PM (8Voqu)


But mostly they want us dead. The rest is just some fun to have along the way to the lime pit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 19, 2023 04:50 PM (n+4am)

224 @220
Nah you're good bro.

Posted by: Bob at April 19, 2023 04:50 PM (5FPX4)

225 Sharon watched the 3 videos of Fetterman, last he has a teleprompter so he can read text and probably still can't comprehend verbal speech

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (xhxe8)

226 Don't go easy.

Posted by: Eromero at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (MF3yS)

227 @220
We knew you would ask that.

Posted by: Bob 2.0, AI enhanced Chatbot at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (5FPX4)

228 215 Just got here so sorry if someone has reported this already.
Just saw video of Fetterman opening speech at the subcommittee hearing he is chairing. He sounds like a 6 yr old who just learned to read.
___

One of the ladies at the table with him, I'm assuming a guest witness, was smiling and nodding as Fetterman was droning. She was practically bouncing in her chair in feigned joy to be in his presence. WTF lady?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (fs1hN)

229 A man and his wife allegedly committed suicide by decapitating themselves using a guillotine-like device, which they created at home, so that they could offer their heads for a sacrificial ritual in Gujarat’s Rajkot district, police said on Sunday.

Hemubhai Makwana (3 and his wife Hansaben (35) killed themselves by getting their heads severed by the blade of the device in a hut at their farm in Vinchhiya village, sub-inspector Indrajeetsinh Jadeja of Vinchhiya police station said.

The husband-wife duo executed the plan in such a manner that their heads rolled into the fire altar after getting severed, he said, adding that a suicide note was found at the spot.

.. sound mighty "woke" of them

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (RHGPo)

230 220 Lists eh?
So if one plays NukeMap and targets only leftist cities, will that get someone on a list?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Go old school and pull out a physical map and colored highlighters combined with a compass. Easy enough to draw in effective blast and fallout zones. The old ways are the best ways.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (t9aCs)

231 Yes, Whig, but major news organizations up to 2012 or so, while reliably Democrat, left and liberal, tried to behave in rational patterns, reign in their childish young idiots and/or outright liars "for the cause, otherwise they risked blowing their megaphone by being labeled as demented.

Come on. They literally changed the Red and Blue color scheme, when the DNC got too close to being considered Communist. This bias has been going on a long, long time. About as long, in all honesty, as broadcast media all came from NYC. So, immediately.

Posted by: Lupine from London at April 19, 2023 04:52 PM (MyyMo)

232
This country is so fucked....
Posted by: Helpy Helperton

North Korea with a smiley face.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 19, 2023 04:52 PM (63Dwl)

233 Things not heard around the Capitol lately:

NO! We are not increasing the debt ceiling regardless the chants of having to 'pay for what is already spent'.

References to 'my esteemed colleague'.

Posted by: micky at April 19, 2023 04:52 PM (3byMq)

234 What's the point of anything anymore?

Posted by: Baby Ruth at April 19, 2023 04:52 PM (vPqS3)

235 All these leftist misinformation people faking Russian election programs should be rounded up and sent to Russia via a stop over in Ukraine.

Posted by: Bang-a-gong at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (SRiFu)

236 "But mostly they want us dead. The rest is just some fun to have along the way to the lime pit.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 19, 2023 04:50 PM (n+4am)"

Which is why they don't want you armed or trained to defend yourself in any way. They want to use the instrumentalities of power to do the dirty work. They believe that way it will never get to them. They couldn't be more wrong. History has countless examples for them to take caution from, but alas, they don't read them.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (8Voqu)

237 The husband-wife duo executed the plan in such a manner that their heads rolled into the fire altar after getting severed, he said, adding that a suicide note was found at the spot.
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Doesn't sound Episcopalian.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (2hlEI)

238 @220
I regret to inform you that your EV charges have reached their monthly limit.

cc: Bob

Posted by: EPA, Social Responsibility Div at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (5FPX4)

239 So who is Renée DiResta?

Well, she's a former CIA operator who just so happens to have lead the "Global Engagement Center" and then the "Stanford Observatory," two government-funded groups that carry out "disinformation" operations against the right.

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Old & Busted Minister of Disinformation Truth: Nina Jankowitz.
New Hotness Minister of Disinformation Truth: Renée DiResta.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (wzO3f)

240 Clearly the answer here is to send billions more to Ukraine and to pass an assault weapons ban.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Why, you understand our plan!

Posted by: Senator Dick Turdbin, Illinois wasteland at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (vcOmj)

241 One of the ladies at the table with him, I'm assuming a guest witness, was smiling and nodding as Fetterman was droning. She was practically bouncing in her chair in feigned joy to be in his presence. WTF lady?
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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DC is Hollywood for ugly people and some people are born 'star hoes' in the presence of someone with higher social status (the polite term for groupies of any sort). If you work in DC for any political figure, you see it in action.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:54 PM (t9aCs)

242 Lists eh?
So if one plays NukeMap and targets only leftist cities, will that get someone on a list?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Go old school and pull out a physical map and colored highlighters combined with a compass. Easy enough to draw in effective blast and fallout zones. The old ways are the best ways.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 04:51 PM (t9aCs)
***

I agree. I still have a lot....I mean my friend still has a lot of his old training aides from attending NBC schools.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 19, 2023 04:54 PM (anj39)

243 North Korea with a smiley face.

"You will jog for the master race
and always wear the happy face"
--California Uber Alles

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 19, 2023 04:54 PM (0hOvj)

244 A 23-year-old woman has been busted in the brutal knife attack of an Upper East Side juice bar worker last week that left the man fighting for his life, police said Wednesday.

.. wasn't the juice fresh ?

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:54 PM (RHGPo)

245 No elected member of the House or Senate has any clue about what's in legislation. It's all done, as you said, by interest groups working with the congressional aides.
___

Did I let that cat outta the bag on the RESTRICT Act? Sorry, I thought Watters was as dumb as Hannity, I didn't expect to get called on it. No worries, no one else at FOX has said boo about it, so I'm good.
-Sen. L. Graham

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 19, 2023 04:55 PM (fs1hN)

246 blood is like motor oil

Love is like oxygen.

Posted by: Sweet at April 19, 2023 04:55 PM (A0/af)

247 "DC is Hollywood for ugly people and some people are born 'star hoes' in the presence of someone with higher social status (the polite term for groupies of any sort). If you work in DC for any political figure, you see it in action."

And a great man was deemed Level One Sex Offender for making the same observation.

Posted by: Zek at April 19, 2023 04:56 PM (5FPX4)

248 Come on. They literally changed the Red and Blue color scheme, when the DNC got too close to being considered Communist. This bias has been going on a long, long time. About as long, in all honesty, as broadcast media all came from NYC. So, immediately.
______

And that's....the way it is.
- Walt Cronkite

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 19, 2023 04:57 PM (fs1hN)

249 Progressive Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., said Wednesday that immigrants are needed in America because they, among other things, "pick the food we eat," "clean our homes," and "rebuild our communities after climate disasters."

.. this story has that deja vu feeling to it

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:57 PM (RHGPo)

250 I regret to inform you that your EV charges have reached their monthly limit.

cc: Bob
Posted by: EPA, Social Responsibility Div at April 19, 2023 04:53 PM (5FPX4)


Well...damn. That means I won't be able to write about

Posted by: Diogenes at April 19, 2023 04:57 PM (anj39)

251 Listening to the great Sen. Fetterman speak it's as if the script he's reading from is in an unknown language AND he's really not all that interested anyways.

And the glasses don't add to ah... yeah

Posted by: micky at April 19, 2023 05:00 PM (3byMq)

252 but they just don't know what to do about it or are resigned about the result

We've written ourselves trillions of dollars of IOUs.
Nobody wants to blow that up.

How big is it?
"trillions of dollars" auto-completes.

Posted by: DaveA at April 19, 2023 05:01 PM (FhXTo)

253 I agree. I still have a lot....I mean my friend still has a lot of his old training aides from attending NBC schools.
Posted by: Diogenes

As a kid, I played with old training maps of my father. He was an Army officer. Got well acquainted with the terrain around the Fulda gap.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:01 PM (t9aCs)

254 I am beginning to think that the editors and lefty adults at all the major news organizations have become terrified and cowed by their young lefty news room reporters/writers - jobs, careers, and promotions are part of it, sure, but it seems to be resembling the old communist Chinese who feared of the "out of control" vengeful youth red book brigades in Communist China during the 60's. No one wants to be forced to wear the publicly displayed dunce caps at CBS, ABC or NBC.

I think this might actually signal of the very nascent beginning of those typical end times for youthful woke lefties. Once man-bun Brooklyn-man writing for MSNBC starts adopting crazy stuff and demanding it get broadcasted or there will be hell to pay - old guard lefties begin to worry if they are going to be next. ABC's unfiltered insanity is starting to show - someone old enough to know better was way too frightened to edit Mr. Youthful Lefty Idiot Reporter's crap that wrote for all those provable laughably lies about DeSantis' parent bill.

Posted by: Boswell at April 19, 2023 05:01 PM (+Cgut)

255 blood is like motor oil

Love is like oxygen.

I thought love was a battlefield

Posted by: Just Lily at April 19, 2023 05:02 PM (OTXZs)

256 252 but they just don't know what to do about it or are resigned about the result

We've written ourselves trillions of dollars of IOUs.
Nobody wants to blow that up.

How big is it?
"trillions of dollars" auto-completes.
Posted by: DaveA
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The trend of the US dollar losing reserve status and rising interest rates combined with stagflation are going to end a lot of the complacency. Plus you got all kinds of vibrant violence to take us back to the bad old days of the late sixties and seventies as far as violent crime rates.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:02 PM (t9aCs)

257 Hate to get into the generation issue but this generation coming into power ain't that of laid back X but those raised in the apocalyptic globull warming scam to believe Gaia only has months live which is extended every few years or so while raised with a silver spoon comparatively.
Posted by: whig

A lot of this goes back a long way. I had an epiphany, of sorts, back in 1987-88, watching the Iran-Contra hearings that were televised. I had a day job, but recorded them on my VHS machine, and then would watch them (fast forwarded a lot), to understand what was happening.
And every night on the Evening News, Dan Rather would breathlessly expound on how GUILTY! GUILTY GUILTY! Ollie North was. Watching the actual hearings gave something of a different notion. And then...I realized that the Evening News (before the Internet) was all programmed propaganda and lies.
Boing!
Nothing much has changed; they are still lying their asses off. But a lot of the population is even more impressionable and less skeptical, more easily duped.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 19, 2023 05:03 PM (vcOmj)

258 blood is like motor oil

Love is like oxygen.

I thought love was a battlefield

Love stinks

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 19, 2023 05:04 PM (Bd6X8)

259 I think this might actually signal of the very nascent beginning of those typical end times for youthful woke lefties. Once man-bun Brooklyn-man writing for MSNBC starts adopting crazy stuff and demanding it get broadcasted or there will be hell to pay - old guard lefties begin to worry if they are going to be next. ABC's unfiltered insanity is starting to show - someone old enough to know better was way too frightened to edit Mr. Youthful Lefty Idiot Reporter's crap that wrote for all those provable laughably lies about DeSantis' parent bill.
Posted by: Boswell

That is what eventually happened in China but it was the Army and Mao's old guerilla comrades that told him to end the Cultural Revolution or else.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:05 PM (t9aCs)

260 The entire Senate has become a 🎪

Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2023 05:06 PM (xhxe8)

261 I'm not even sure nullification or secession can solve this now.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at April 19, 2023 05:07 PM (BdMk6)

262 Surprising that the harp player, Magic Dick, in J Geils Band didn't pop an eye from a socket during whamma, jamma

Not as fun a run around and go crazy band as watching The Fools at any of the small Boston suburbian bars at the time.

Posted by: micky at April 19, 2023 05:07 PM (3byMq)

263 And by the way. If you were actually going to do an experiment you would want to pick a race that was lopsided in the polls with the hope of making it closer. Not a manipulating a toss up race.

Oh wait, disregard this message as it assumes they spoke the truth about being an experiment.

Posted by: Bang-a-gong at April 19, 2023 05:07 PM (SRiFu)

264 The trend of the US dollar losing reserve status and rising interest rates combined with stagflation are going to end a lot of the complacency. Plus you got all kinds of vibrant violence to take us back to the bad old days of the late sixties and seventies as far as violent crime rates.
Posted by: whig

It's coming and not too far away.
1) Buy silver

2) if you have an IRA or 401K, try to get it into a Gold Backed IRA, that actually holds Gold or Silver, and not an EFT type.

3) Have cash in the house, in case your bank closes down, or there is a run.

4) Buy more ammo now.

It's coming and damn right quick. Some prognosticators have said it will happen when Biden turns down Republican efforts to tie in the Debt Limit increase with budget cuts. Maybe 60 days.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 19, 2023 05:08 PM (vcOmj)

265 This is a depressing place today. Hopeless and dark.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 19, 2023 05:08 PM (mR6Gs)

266 Nothing much has changed; they are still lying their asses off. But a lot of the population is even more impressionable and less skeptical, more easily duped.
Posted by: A face in the crowd
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Seems that way but repeated surveys show the media has a lower rep than carnies, politicians, and others. But, the older that one is generationally speaking, the more that one believes in the alphabet networks and the cable networks.

The Gen Y are the ones that are pretty much who cares on news, we are all dead anyway and Gen X is simply seeing their childhood repeat except even more dysfunctional and clown world with an insane demented and corrupt Biden as prezzie in place of hapless Jimmah.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:09 PM (t9aCs)

267 Yeah, the color thing. It was blue with Reagan. And it switched after because the D's didn't want to be associated with the commies and the media went dutifully along.

Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 05:10 PM (o3pN8)

268 Progressive Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., said Wednesday that immigrants are needed in America because they, among other things, "pick the food we eat," "clean our homes," and "rebuild our communities after climate disasters."

.. this story has that deja vu feeling to it
Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 04:57 PM (RHGPo)

She didn't mention the cotton that clothes us so it's all good.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at April 19, 2023 05:12 PM (BdMk6)

269 This is a depressing place today. Hopeless and dark.
Posted by: JoeF.


Actually, not as much as you might think.

THE TRUTH is coming out, and it is ugly. The near future is really going to be rough sledding, economically, socially, etc.
If you, me...ALL OF US... can get through the next year or two, I think things will start to get a lot better. But it still may be a lot of years until the situation gets stabilized.
Don't give up and don't be afraid. Prepare for the worst.
Don't be afraid.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 19, 2023 05:13 PM (vcOmj)

270 It's coming and not too far away.
1) Buy silver

2) if you have an IRA or 401K, try to get it into a Gold Backed IRA, that actually holds Gold or Silver, and not an EFT type.

3) Have cash in the house, in case your bank closes down, or there is a run.

4) Buy more ammo now.

It's coming and damn right quick. Some prognosticators have said it will happen when Biden turns down Republican efforts to tie in the Debt Limit increase with budget cuts. Maybe 60 days.
Posted by: A face in the crowd
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NONE of those are bad recommendations for the folks here. BTW, a guy living through this shit in Argentina argues you are best off using crappy non collector grade silver coins as your barter/currency. Using pristine silver or gold bars/coins can lead you to be a target for robbers or worse who figure you got more. Anyone could scrape up an old well worn silver coins or so.

Make sure that you have enough consumables that you have enough stocks of medicine including antibiotics etc. and food to go at least six months without.

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:13 PM (t9aCs)

271 Actually, not as much as you might think.

THE TRUTH is coming out, and it is ugly. The near future is really going to be rough sledding, economically, socially, etc.
If you, me...ALL OF US... can get through the next year or two, I think things will start to get a lot better. But it still may be a lot of years until the situation gets stabilized.
Don't give up and don't be afraid. Prepare for the worst.
Don't be afraid.
Posted by: A face in the crowd
--------
Yep. Well said. Fear not, I am with you, Be not dismayed. . . . Isaiah 41:10

Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:15 PM (t9aCs)

272 The Left controls everything including most minds in this country.

People start equating the American flag with conservatives who do bad things because their brains are being taught this without them realizing it.
Posted by: redridinghood

If the left controls most minds, why to they have to do more and more obvious vote fraud to stay afloat?

Remember, they *already* do fraud in every major city to boost their power in every state.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 05:15 PM (eoQWY)

273 The Gen Y are the ones that are pretty much who cares on news, we are all dead anyway and Gen X is simply seeing their childhood repeat except even more dysfunctional and clown world with an insane demented and corrupt Biden as prezzie in place of hapless Jimmah.
Posted by: whig at April 19, 2023 05:09 PM (t9aCs)

Jimmy Carter was an inept scold, but he was limited in the damage he could do, because as bad as the '70's were, the country was still being run by capable WW2 vets and people actually gave a shit about current events and could recognize how Jimmy's policies affected their lives.
Joe Biden is a a corrupt POS and the party he leads lacks a moral compass. The people in this country today are ---to be charitable--less informed, lazy, apathetic and often zonked out on drugs, legal & illegal both. And we have a lot of third worlders here who don't know any better

Posted by: JoeF. at April 19, 2023 05:16 PM (mR6Gs)

274 Yeah, the color thing. It was blue with Reagan. And it switched after because the D's didn't want to be associated with the commies and the media went dutifully along.
Posted by: JmT at April 19, 2023 05:10 PM (o3pN

It used to be essentially random. Was it Bush II-Gore that locked it to Red-Blue?

Posted by: Oldcat at April 19, 2023 05:17 PM (eoQWY)

275 lood is like motor oil

Love is like oxygen.

I thought love was a battlefield

Love stinks
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310

and it's blind

Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 05:19 PM (v0R5T)

276 Jessica Gonzales v. U.S.A.

In June 1999, Jessica Gonzales’ three young daughters, ages seven, nine and ten, were abducted by her estranged husband and killed after the Colorado police refused to enforce a restraining order against him.

Although Gonzales repeatedly called the police, telling them of her fears for her daughters’ safety, they failed to respond. Hours later, Gonzales’ husband drove his pick-up truck to the police department and opened fire. He was shot dead by the police. The slain bodies of the three girls were subsequently discovered in the back of his pickup truck.

Gonzales filed a lawsuit against the police, but in June 2005 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that she had no Constitutional right to police enforcement of her restraining order.

Posted by: SMOD at April 19, 2023 05:20 PM (RHGPo)

277 lood is like motor oil

Love is like oxygen.

I thought love was a battlefield

Love stinks
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310

and it's blind
Posted by: wth at April 19, 2023 05:19 PM (v0R5T)

And mumbles a lot.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at April 19, 2023 05:21 PM (BdMk6)

278 Gratified to read the U.S. State Department can be effective at achieving some objective. Even though it’s not an objective within its Constitutional or Statutory responsibilities.

That was a given.

Chalk up one for “American competence.”

Running the railroads on time like a good fascist government agency.

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