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Trump Two Months Ago: "Shutdown Ron" Shut Down Florida Too Much.
Trump Now:Shutdown Ron Didn't Shutdown Florida Enough, and Killed a Lot of People. Unlike Me, Who Listened to the Scientists and Told Everyone to Shut Down.

We can "counterpunch" too, Shutdown Don.

Let me show you how good we are at counterpunching.

"Ron DeSantis didn't shut down hard enough and murdered old people" is of course the leftwing attack line on him, and I'm 100% not surprised to hear Trump repeating the left's attack lines at all. We already saw him using the left's "Medicaid and Social Security cuts lines."

And I and other friends predicted this long ago. Trump has several big problems with voters on the right, where he takes the position opposite the great majority of Republican, conservative primary voters.

Because Trump never admits he's wrong -- TRUMP IS ALWAYS RIGHT! -- he cannot say that he was wrong on these issues.

He's going to have to claim he was right to take the leftwing position on these issues, and that anyone taking the opposite view -- like Ron DeSantis -- is a "right-wing extremist" or bigot.

For a start: Trump is now repeating all the left wing Democrats' lies that Florida is a place of "misery and despair," enlisting, get this, a leftwing blogger to write the hit piece on DeSantis, who in turn gets his "facts" from leftwing sources.

As a potential announcement for president in 2024 from Gov. Ron DeSantis nears, former President Donald Trump's campaign has ramped up attacks against the governor.

After a blitz of endorsements from representatives in DeSantis' home state, Trump's campaign Friday released "The Real Ron DeSantis Playbook," which contains a long list of reasons Florida "continues to tumble into complete and total delinquency and destruction."

"The real DeSantis record is one of misery and despair," campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said. "He has left a wake of destruction all across Florida and people are hurting because he has spent more time playing public relations games instead of actually doing the hard-work needed to improve the lives of the people he represents."

The campaign focused on Florida reportedly being "one of the least affordable states to live in the country" and linked to a Substack post from frequent DeSantis critic Jason Garcia who argued the governor raised taxes by more than $1 billion during his first term.

Garcia noted that the governor cut taxes by "more than $4 billion overall."

In February, DeSantis proposed an additional $2 billion in tax relief. Last year, he signed one of the largest relief packages in state history.

They cited other media reports on the rising cost of living in some Florida cities.

Several of their cited reports came from left-leaning sources.

The Florida Policy Institute was cited, which was founded in 2014 as a "left-leaning policy research and advocacy organization."

So was Oxfam, a "left-of-center" organization.

They also cited the National Low Income Housing Coalition, whose president and CEO is Diane Yentel, a supporter of Vice President Kamala Harris.

...

They went on to reference other claims and reports that DeSantis ranks low on economic opportunity, in places to retire, in places to raise a family, in fair taxes, for energy affordability, to rent a home, to be a teacher, to be a doctor, and even to be a police officer.

Hey remember two weeks ago when leftwing governor of California Gavin Newsome came to Florida and spouted all the same lies? Trump is now endorsing all that.

And remember, Gavin Newsom was "very nice" to Trump, as Trump childlishy brags, as if any of us give a FUCK about who is "very nice" to him and who "betrayed" him by running against him. Everything is down to this sub-retard-level "Who's my fwenz and who's my enemeez" bullshit with this fucking moron.

But Trump is repeating a lot of leftwing attack lines lately.

For example, Trump repeatedly embraced the LGBT Alphabet Mafia and, when North Carolina was getting boycotted for trying to make bathrooms single-sex again -- because some leftwing cities had passed laws requiring all bathrooms to be open to transgenders and, well, anyone -- Trump took the side against the state government, telling them to "leave them the way they are," that is, leave the bathrooms open to anyone of any gender.

Has Trump changed his position since then? Given the chaos and insanity caused by this RINO "I don't want to upset my liberal Hollywood fwenz like the beautiful Caitlyn Jenner" attitude?

No, he hasn't. His paid shill Richard Grennell -- who, along with Sean Hannity, slandered Kathy Barnett as an "extremist" and a "Islamophobe" when she threatened to defeat Trump's Perfect Pick Mehmet Oz in the primary -- now calls the above ad "homophobic."


Grennell was on Twitter all day, calling anyone who questioned Trump's iron-clad, Read My Lips guarantee on letting transgenders into bathrooms guilty of "anti-gay content."

Wow! Feel that True Conservatism!


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Grennnell kept insisting that we can only object to trans-pushers grooming kids-- but we must support the transgender ideology generally. Otherwise, we're Bigots and Homophobes.

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And I don't know why he keeps claiming we're "homophobes" for opposing transgender ideology. If anything, we're "transphobes." Many/most transgenders aren't even actually gay.

Oh wait, I do know why he's doing that -- because at this point, getting constantly slurred by the left as "transphobes" for opposing breast-lopping for children, calling us transphobes is essentially a compliment.

So Grennell is using the slur that he thinks will have the more potent effect -- "homophobe."

You guys aren't homophobes are you?

This is another extreme leftwing tactic -- claiming the "T" is just another form of the "G." The transgender extremists are determined to claim their demands and rights are no different than the gays -- a point many gays increasingly dispute. They want to keep the "T" right next to the "LGB," while many of the "LGB's" are trying to distance themselves from the T.

But just to juice up his leftwing slur, Ric Grennell embraces the theory that transgenders are just gays and if you oppose their "rights," you're "homophobic."

By the way, Trump supporters, if you're angry about my pointing this out, maybe it would be better if you got angry at Trump and his paid surrogate Ric Grennell and told them to stop repeating all the leftwing's favorite insults for conservatives.

Because this is policy, going forward -- and he will not change it until all of his precious polls (which he believes in when he wants to) start showing him losing support.

It's just on and on and on with the "homophobe!" slurs.

Ric Grennell, consistent with his boss Trump, also defended Disney from DeSantis. DeSantis just cancelled Disney's ownership of the Reedy Creek development zone, and Dave Reaboi said, "now comes the pain."

Ric Grennell whined: "Pain for who?"

Does he object to pain for Disney? Or, as I suspect, is he claiming that Ron DeSantis, the homophobic brute, will use his new power to spread more "homophobic tropes"?

Here "Ric" Grennell is so angry that anyone is pointing out the Trump family's embrace of transgenderism that he also decides to smear Dave Reaboi, who is Jewish, as an "anti-semite," out of nowhere.

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Leftist tactic! Point out any of our contradictions and lies, and we'll smear you as an "-ist" or a "-phobe."

By the way, that person that Grennell chose to respond to, just to call Dave Reaboi an anti-semite? That person has zero followers.

Just like a leftist, Grennell went hunting for the worst tweets he could find so he could brand his opponents "homophobes" and "anti-semites" with them.

And let's not even get into Trump's embrace of rightwing grifter and alleged groomer. None of these new charges are new. This has long been rumored, and as you know, Trump loves collecting rumors about people's sexual habits, as Ron DeSantis' wife can tell you. (He threatened he'd reveal more about Ron DeSanctimonius than his wife knew.)


Pedro L. Gonzalez
@emeriticus

Trump and his camp are the greatest obstacles to opposing the most radical tendencies of the left. They’re trying to sell you yesterday's radicalism and social revolution as today's "moderate" position. And they're using leftist slurs to do it.

What is it we all used to say of the GOPe? They are always fighting for the status quo of five years ago -- a status quo which itself was the product of leftist win after leftist win.

And Trump's doing the same. Now the only thing we can fight is transgenderism in schools -- objecting to the ideology generally is "homophobic."

Yes, let's fight for the Democrat position of five years ago, because that's all that "conservative" means.


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Again, if you have a problem with this, complain to Trump and his paid whore Grennell, not me. Unless you endorse Trump's new (?) policy that we must support transgender ideology or else count ourselves as "homophobes."

Speaking of Disney, Mike Pence, noted Establishment corporate cuck, agrees with Trump that it's wrong to beat up on Disney.

Wait, if Trump is the super-populist who is willing to defy any corporation because he's so rich and doesn't care about money-- why does he share the same position as the Establishment arch-corporatist Pence?

Oh, right -- just to attack Ron DeSantis. Got it.


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Fighting Groomer Disney is "so unnecessary" and just a "political STUNT!"

Got it, Shutdown Don.

Speaking of Disney: Would you believe that Donald Trump -- who is supposedly a billionaire who doesn't care what his corporate donors say -- came in to defend Disney from DeSantis?

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Would you believe further that "globohomo" groomer corporation Disney... just happens to be a big donor to Trump?

It turns out that Disney executives gave the America First Action PAC (a Trump PAC) $20 million, versus just $1.25 million for Joe Biden, in 2020.

John Cardillo
@johncardillo

In fairness, Disney execs were VERY generous to Trump in 2020, so after his abysmal Q1 fundraising haul it makes sense he'd be advocating for them to bump the Q2 numbers.



Pedro L. Gonzalez
@emeriticus

Don Jr. told people not to boycott Bud Light because they give to the GOP. Trump sided with Disney against DeSantis; Disney gave a Trump PAC $10.5 million. Trump killed a vaccine safety commission; Pfizer was the biggest health donor to his inauguration and he owns Pfizer stock....

Pedro L. Gonzalez
@emeriticus

Trump sided with Disney, in part, because he's a bitter liberal who hates DeSantis. But there's money here, too.

Disney gave $10.5 million to Trump's America First Action PAC in the 2020 election cycle--more than it gave to then-candidate Joe Biden during the same period.

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Pedro L. Gonzalez
@emeriticus

By siding with Disney against DeSantis, Trump is defending a corporation that has given to him generously in the past. Maybe he thinks Disney will remember the favor as he runs for president again. Who knows. But he's on the wrong side of the issue for purely selfish reasons.

That chart, by the way, is from opensecrets.org, which tracks all donations in political races.

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So it's real. It's not just a lie spread by "DeSimps" online. It is a fact that must be confronted.

Hey "Sundance" -- Who's the "Managed Principal" acting at the behest of his corporate handlers, again? Is it DeSanctimonious, who is standing up to woke corporations and telling them that the GOP will no longer be their Amen Corner, or is the drunk-on-Budweiser-and-Disney donations Trump?

People always say that Trump doesn't need corporate money. Well, he sure acts like he needs it. He sure comes riding to their rescues in a pinch.

I'm pretty sure "DeSanctimonious" will not be getting Anheuser-Busch and Disney money, and I'm pretty sure that Trump will.

But you know, he's the guy who's willing to take the Corporate Donor Class on.

And speaking of the CDC:

Trump has never stopped bragging about his "beautiful vaccine," and never once admitted it had any problems with it. He has praised "my beautiful vaccine" as fulsomely as Fauci's zealots.

He has also praised himself for listening to "the smartest people in the world" and shut down the country.

He's proud of that. He's bragging.

Don't believe me?

Here's the video:

Remember, Trump first attacked Ron DeSantis as "Shutdown Ron" a couple of months ago, claiming DeSantis was wrong to shut down Florida for a couple of weeks.

Then we all collectively reminded the increasingly-forgetful 76-year-old Trump that it was he himself who demanded that DeSantis shut Florida down -- DeSantis leaked it out there that Trump had personally called him to demand that shut-down, and says he has the receipts for that call.

If you don't believe that, you can believe Trump's own public statements condemning Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia for opening up some businesses, claiming "it's just too soon."

He said that two weeks before Ron DeSantis briefly closed his beaches in Florida.

So Trump was claiming that Ron DeSantis shouldn't have listened to... Donald Trump.

So that attack failed. The attack line that "Shutdown Ron" was too quick to shut his state down failed.

So now Trump is trotting out the new leftwing script: Florida was a covid hellhole and DeSanctimonious killed more people than almost every other governor.

Here, he whines like an old woman that DeSantis isn't "loyal" to him, and then, at 1:24, claims that DeSantis' covid numbers were among the worst.

Again, this is exactly what the leftwing media was saying about DeSantis, while Trump was agreeing with the leftwing media that the entire nation must be shut down.

Is this what we all want? Four more years of Shutdown Don? Four more years of this whiny narcissist who doesn't care anything at all about any policy, only that we show our "respect" for him and make him president again?

Four more years of filling the bureaucracy with liberals and f***ing Ivana's sorority sisters?

Ed Morrissey wrote this a few days ago, about Trump's defense of Bud Light and Disney.


There's nothing wrong with good fundraising, of course. However, this context makes it appear that Trump is choosing big corporate donors over conservo-populist principles.

But let's put that aspect aside for the moment and look at the strategy involved. There is nothing coherent about running for the GOP presidential nomination on a populist, anti-establishment message and then siding with Disney, Anheuser-Busch, and Gavin frickin' Newsom all in the same week. This looks more like a personal grudge meaning more to Trump than policy or even messaging. It's a chaos approach, which might have been appealing in 2015-16 to set Trump apart from the usual Establishment figures. Trump, however, has already been president and wants to get re-elected to complete his work -- so why side with the woke Establishment figures? Just to pwn "DeSanctus"?

Republicans will have to choose whether they want four more years of personal-grudge chaos or a candidate that can offer an effective pushback on their issues. Trump is making that choice excruciatingly acute over the past few days.

I'd also point out that we know for a fact who is the most uncomfortable with the Culture War -- cultural liberals like the The Bulwark Boyz and The Dispatch Boyz. They hate the Crazy Christians fighting all the time with their gay frenz, and they want them to stop.

Well, guess who else is cultural liberal who doesn't want the Crazy Christian fighting the trans extremists.

Is this True Conservatism, Trump-style, now? Is this "populism" -- adopting all the cant and tactics of the leftwing, trans-crazy Ruling Class?

And he's going to be the one to take on The Regime? LOL. He's repeating every single point of their catechism!

Mark my words: The leftwing media is going to try to make Trump the Republican nominee again, and for the same reasons they did in 2016: They think he's a social liberal, they think he's a rube who they know for a fact that liberal bureacracy can snooker and undermine and treat as a, what's that word again, Managed Principal, and they're absolutely sure they can beat him, as they have done so three elections in a row.

And here.

We.

GO:

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Posted by: Ace at 04:54 PM




Comments

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1 Now for content!

Posted by: Iris at April 21, 2023 04:58 PM (foa6+)

2 In fairness, FL is a place of misery and depair.

Exhibit A: Florida Man.

Exhibit B: Quasi-dinosaurs that you apparently cannot kill at will for some reason.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 21, 2023 04:59 PM (ppBhU)

3 Girthy.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at April 21, 2023 05:01 PM (PiwSw)

4 W I D E !

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 21, 2023 05:02 PM (WmGrA)

5 Those poor margins.

Ace must be really pissed.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:02 PM (tp+tP)

6
Will this effect the value of my Trump superhero trading cards?

Posted by: Auspex at April 21, 2023 05:03 PM (j4U/Z)

7 The fact that Ace had to post a trigger warning before this thread says it all. Trumpers are like ultra-sensitive college students.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 21, 2023 05:04 PM (xPl2J)

8 Trump did some damned good things for this country. Gotta love him for that. But I wish he'd take his head out of his ass and see how his words and actions these days appear. This isn't 2016. The shtick that got him into the white house back then is not playing well enough to do it again... which is too bad because we could use him there again!

Posted by: 496 at April 21, 2023 05:04 PM (qR69T)

9 This isn't really that hard to understand. Trump is going to throw punches at DeSantis until DeSantis loses. He's going to throw any / all punches he can -- he did the same thing to Ted Cruz.

And then, once DeSantis is a bloody pulp on the floor, and Trump is the nominee, he'll move on.

Nothing has changed, and it's going to work again. DeSantis should have seen it coming.

Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:04 PM (xLaq1)

10 All fair comments Ace. Fire away but hypocrisy by politicians is pretty much a given especially when money is to be donated.

And I suspect that Sundance will have more on his website regarding DeSantis.

Me, I am waiting for the primaries next year to worry about it and stayed out of working as a volunteer for prezzie contests since 88.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:04 PM (oqoj8)

11
Shut up, Donald!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 21, 2023 05:05 PM (pNxlR)

12 margins fixed

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:05 PM (iHBZj)

13 What is it we all used to say of the GOPe? They are always fighting for the status quo of five years ago -- a status quo which itself was the product of leftist win after leftist win.

And Trump's doing the same. Now the only thing we can fight is transgenderism in schools -- objecting to the ideology generally is "homophobic."

Yes, let's fight for the Democrat position of five years ago, because that's all that "conservative" means.

^^THIS. It makes me so sad to see this case against Trump.

Posted by: Iris at April 21, 2023 05:05 PM (foa6+)

14 Seems like Never Trumpers are advising Trump. These new stances have David French's fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 05:05 PM (fs1hN)

15 [making jerk-off motions ]

Have we fixed voter registration in GA, AZ, PA, WI and MI?

Oh.. so no path to 270 regardless who wins the McGOP nomination.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at April 21, 2023 05:06 PM (YXHzG)

16 Posted by: Reuben Hick at April 21, 2023 05:06 PM (YXHzG)

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Bingo.

Posted by: 496 at April 21, 2023 05:06 PM (qR69T)

17 Eh. If you're going to vote for Trump when he's the GOP nominee in 2024, rant away. If you're not going to vote for Trump in the general election, get bent.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:07 PM (2tWdQ)

18 Trump attacking Ron DeSantis, again.

What a bore.

Posted by: Glenn John at April 21, 2023 05:07 PM (M3hSG)

19 FWIW, until both Trump and DeSantis show any concentration on removing non existent voters from the rolls by suing under the Motor Voter act and shoring up election integrity, you will get the same result as 2020 most likely.

What they say and do is temporary but a stolen election, including now the 2022 election in some Senate and governor races, indicates that the margin of cheat has ballooned to about 15-20 percent in the mail in ballot and easy absentee states.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:07 PM (oqoj8)

20 Oh bullshit Ace. You and Sven are such a fucking liars. Milquetoast Desanctimonious is the right man for the fight
.. right..... He can't even garner a win in his own Republican controlled state against a bunch of disney groomers... but yeah... he's definitely the guy to take on the deepstate, military industrial complex and the leftstream media. I've said it once and I'll say it many times more, Neocons are so stupid. How stupid are they?? So stupid half of them don't even know they're Neocons...(but they ALL think they're conservative).

Posted by: Spyro GyroAgnew at April 21, 2023 05:07 PM (DFzg2)

21 I used to say that I wouldn't vote for Trump in the primaries, but if he won the nomination he would get my vote. That has changed. I vowed after Romney that I would no longer vote for a candidate just because of the R next to their name. That's all Trump is now, unless he goes third party, which makes him even more irrelevant. Either way, he's gifting Biden a second term. Wake up, Trump sycophants!

Posted by: toddg at April 21, 2023 05:08 PM (B3RQo)

22 Yes, let's fight for the Democrat position of five years ago, because that's all that "conservative" means.

So lets fight for what will be important in 2024:

• ending the famine
• restarting the grid
• choosing a currency (since the USD will be dead)

Posted by: Reuben Hick at April 21, 2023 05:08 PM (YXHzG)

23 >>>7 The fact that Ace had to post a trigger warning before this thread says it all. Trumpers are like ultra-sensitive college students.

not the regulars here. I expected to get pushback, but didn't really. "Twitter Trumpers" are not the same as the AoS Trumpers.

The Twitter Trumpers will attack your wife or ex-girlfiends if you don't agree that Trump Is Jesus.

But then... Trump pays a lot of those people to be lunatic assholes.

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:08 PM (iHBZj)

24 Counterpoint:

Trump is being ignored by the media for obvious reasons.

This is his way of getting back on their channels and interviews.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:08 PM (Lavx8)

25 yawn. this red meat is spoiled.

Posted by: jeet at April 21, 2023 05:09 PM (/Rqse)

26 Was solidly for Trump before he got the 2016 nomination and was stunned he won. Was grudgingly still for him in 2024, even though I think he tanked the Georgia senate races and Dr. FUCKING Oz? Fetterman grunts his thanks, and will certainly be "nice" to Trump in the future. Then we get numbnuts Jr. give AB a handjob because - and he actually says this out loud - they donated a lot to us. At this point its clear that Trump would rather see another Biden presidency than have DeSantis win.

Posted by: Fat Jonah of Krypton at April 21, 2023 05:09 PM (MS5ih)

27 And I love getting pissy at Trump attacking DeSantis from the Left. What are the Democrats and the media going to do? If DeSantis can't handle Trump doing it, he'll melt like the Wicked Witch during a thunderstorm in 2024.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:09 PM (2tWdQ)

28 And then, once DeSantis is a bloody pulp on the floor, and Trump is the nominee, he'll move on.

Nothing has changed, and it's going to work again. DeSantis should have seen it coming.
Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:04 PM (xLaq1)


So it's DeSantis' fault that Trump is acting like four-year-old with this crap?

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:09 PM (tp+tP)

29
The Twitter Trumpers will attack your wife or ex-girlfiends if you don't agree that Trump Is Jesus.

Don't go to Conservative Treehouse....

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:10 PM (bs+z0)

30 Well if he's out, I'm out.

Posted by: Tom at April 21, 2023 05:10 PM (UjkZy)

31 We elected Trump because we wanted a politician who would be loyal to us, instead of the standard GOPe offering that demanded we be loyal instead with no reciprocation. Remember that and decide accordingly.

Posted by: JSchuler at April 21, 2023 05:10 PM (l6eKM)

32 I don't mind him attacking, I just don't like this attack. Trumps biggest week was is his Covid shutdown. It probably cost him his re-election byway of the election changes.

Posted by: Inogame at April 21, 2023 05:11 PM (53oGX)

33 7 The fact that Ace had to post a trigger warning before this thread says it all. Trumpers are like ultra-sensitive college students.
Posted by: Mark1971
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Insulting his voters is a damn sure way to have DeSantis win, errr.. wait a minute about that one.

That is a leftist viewpoint where you beat your voters into voting for your guy by shaming techniques. Always fair for Ace to use Trump's own words etc. to go after them, but his supporters also have reasons to not trust DeSantis after being burned by umpteen truly conservative GOP nominees. Trump at least demonstrated conservative actions in office whatever he said.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:11 PM (oqoj8)

34 This is epically stupid on Trump's part.

I'm not voting for him in the primary but if he's the nominee, yes.

I do like the really young guy. Can't remember his name.

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 05:11 PM (vJMBm)

35 >>>10 All fair comments Ace. Fire away but hypocrisy by politicians is pretty much a given especially when money is to be donated.

this is a bit more than "hypocrisy," dude.

Oh I get it: You don't believe a word Trump says when he makes these attacks and announces his own policies, because you know he'll say literally anything so him committing himself to Shutdowns Forever just has no meaning, he's a liar who doesn't care what he has to say to win

well in that case, fair enough

but there's a weird thing going on: People say they don't trust DeSantis to do what he says he'll do and what he's already doing; they claim he's playing a Long Con with deporting migrants to Martha's Vinyard and will sell us out if he becomes president.

But Trump supporters also say that Trump will do the exact opposite of what he says. If he wants to have trans bathrooms, that must be a lie, he will really oppose them.

So DeSantis should be disbelieved when he says he's a conservative and Trump should be disbelieved when he says he's a liberal.

This... makes no sense.

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:11 PM (iHBZj)

36 So it's DeSantis' fault that Trump is acting like four-year-old with this crap?
Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:09 PM (tp+tP)
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It was a strategic error -- the better play for DeSantis was to fully embrace Trump 2024 and then play for the heir of MAGA in 2028. Whether it was ego, or donors (or both), he decided to run a shadow campaign for President instead.

He risked being humiliated by Trump for the chance to run in 2024 and I don't think the gamble is working out for him.

Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:12 PM (xLaq1)

37 Hmm, sudden new respect for Trump

Posted by: National Review at April 21, 2023 05:12 PM (fs1hN)

38 Uh oh, ace is BIG mad that half a billion dollars can't buy DeSantis the nom. This isn't going to be quite as humiliating as watching Bloomberg crash and burn, but RDS might not even top Mike Pence despite having a mythical Twenty Point Gap that proved his Electability.

Is this about DeSantis going up to DC for endorsements and getting no one to come to his birthday party? Wow, that's like not scoring in the strip club with a briefcase full of hundos.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:12 PM (DTm0P)

39 Trump is so last decade. As Don Jr. says: " I don't give a shit, dude".

Also, when Don the elder speaks of loyalty, it's a one-way street. You must be loyal to him.

Ask the Jan. 6th prisoners if they have felt any loyalty repaid.

Fvck this blowhard self-promoter.

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 21, 2023 05:13 PM (WmGrA)

40 And I love getting pissy at Trump attacking DeSantis from the Left. What are the Democrats and the media going to do? If DeSantis can't handle Trump doing it, he'll melt like the Wicked Witch during a thunderstorm in 2024.
Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:09 PM


Where is RDS not "handling it"? Trump and his kid have mis-read the crowd on the trans issue and the Disney issue. The alphabet people have to be stopped.

Posted by: Chuck C at April 21, 2023 05:13 PM (xttsV)

41 32 I don't mind him attacking, I just don't like this attack. Trumps biggest week was is his Covid shutdown. It probably cost him his re-election byway of the election changes.
Posted by: Inogame

Not really, those were all at the state level including GOP governors Kemp (GA) and Ducey (AZ) and courtesy of GOP controlled state legislatures in (WI), (MI), and (PA). You might just want to heap some blame on GOPers in those states as well for allowing blatant fraud and then doing nothing about it post election.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:13 PM (oqoj8)

42 He risked being humiliated by Trump for the chance to run in 2024 and I don't think the gamble is working out for him.
____

Gee, DeSantis is humiliated by this? Ok, if you say so.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 05:13 PM (fs1hN)

43 Damned straight, Trump allowed this fucking crime against humanity to fester in Wuhan unknown by him "the greatest manager in human history" and then allowed Facui to go all Fascists gone wild.

Fuck him.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:13 PM (Lzpvj)

44 >>>So it's DeSantis' fault that Trump is acting like four-year-old with this crap?

look what you made him do

I'm tired of the double standard where this asshole can just light the room on fire but then cries if anyone doesn't show "loyalty"

that's why I posted, I was tired of self-censoring for this low-IQ declining-executive-function clown

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (iHBZj)

45 FWIW, until both Trump and DeSantis show any concentration on removing non existent voters from the rolls by suing under the Motor Voter act and shoring up election integrity, you will get the same result as 2020 most likely.

We are looking at this wrong. What we need to be doing is earning our Democrat issued Get Out Of Jail Free card.

Go to any of the swing states on your two week vacation in November 2024 and work hard to count Gavin Newsom's ballots, double count, be obvious, put your back into it and make a name for yourself in D circles.

Since the state will be lost to the Communists anyway, might as well enjoy some of the spoils.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (YXHzG)

46 Has the "But Trump's a fighter!" guy commented yet? What a dumpster fire.

Posted by: City of Nothing at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (ik/65)

47 Trump just doesn't seem like an ex-president. He's looked and acted smaller, diminished. The time in which he could be useful to conservatives (whatever that term means today) has passed.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (ppBhU)

48 Doesn't matter anyway.. No Republican will be winning in 2024.. Oh, they might get the most votes but they won't get the most votes "counted." Yeah.. I'm cynical

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (bs+z0)

49 Ace, Donald Trump was actually President for four years. He was the most conservative President and most successful Republican President since Ronald Reagan. Taking all of that and pretending it didn't happen because Trump has decided to attack DeSantis from the Left is really, really dumb.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (2tWdQ)

50 33

Insulting his voters is a damn sure way to have DeSantis win, errr.. wait a minute about that one.

That is a leftist viewpoint where you beat your voters into voting for your guy by shaming techniques. Always fair for Ace to use Trump's own words etc. to go after them, but his supporters also have reasons to not trust DeSantis after being burned by umpteen truly conservative GOP nominees. Trump at least demonstrated conservative actions in office whatever he said.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:11 PM (oqoj

All true… that being said I am tired of all the histrionics and dramatic hyperbole. And it is only 2023. I would bet I am not the only one who is tuning out…

Posted by: tubal at April 21, 2023 05:14 PM (PCK5/)

51 >>>Uh oh, ace is BIG mad that half a billion dollars can't buy DeSantis the nom.

i think you're confusing who's courting the big establishment corporate donors again

I guess you didn't read who Disney donated to in 2020

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:15 PM (iHBZj)

52 Looks like you decided to get an awful lot off your chest, Ace.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 21, 2023 05:15 PM (3ImbR)

53 Grennell and I followed each other and DMd back in the day, and I am just about done with him as well.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:15 PM (Lzpvj)

54 It was a strategic error -- the better play for DeSantis was to fully embrace Trump 2024 and then play for the heir of MAGA in 2028. Whether it was ego, or donors (or both), he decided to run a shadow campaign for President instead.

He risked being humiliated by Trump for the chance to run in 2024 and I don't think the gamble is working out for him.
Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:12 PM (xLaq1)


Right. Except that Trump began attacking him as far back as last summer/autumn, giving Meatball no reason to think he would be anointed the heir in 2028. Because he screwed up. He governed competently and had a popularity independent of Trump, which apparently is the unforgivable sin.

I regret this feud as much as anyone, but it's entirely of Trump's making.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:15 PM (tp+tP)

55 When Trump appointed Grennnnell as DNI, Grennnnnell cut off access to intelligence sharing any ally who wouldn't promote LGBT stuff. Grennnnnnell put promoting gayshit overseas above national security

Posted by: D.N.Gilberry at April 21, 2023 05:16 PM (IPC7y)

56 >>>And I love getting pissy at Trump attacking DeSantis from the Left. What are the Democrats and the media going to do? If DeSantis can't handle Trump doing it, he'll melt like the Wicked Witch during a thunderstorm in 2024.
Posted by: MBunge

Should anyone get "pissy" if I point out that Trump is talking increasingly like the liberal New Yorker that he is, and courting the RINO donor class?

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:16 PM (iHBZj)

57 DeSantis is ignoring Trump's attacks! See, he can't handle it!

Posted by: Double Wide Debbie at April 21, 2023 05:16 PM (ik/65)

58 Trump is starting to go hard core lib just because DeSantis is running to the right. Trump has no core beliefs, it's all transactional with him. Which is why he's going to betray us all, he's so desperate to "win" that he'll sell us all out to do it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 05:16 PM (trdmm)

59 >>>49 Ace, Donald Trump was actually President for four years. He was the most conservative President and most successful Republican President since Ronald Reagan. Taking all of that and pretending it didn't happen because Trump has decided to attack DeSantis from the Left is really, really dumb.

did you enjoy those shutdowns?

Did you enjoy setting thousands of prisoners in federal jail free, just so Trump could get a photo op with the Kardashians and Kanye? And so Ivana could have something to brag about?

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:17 PM (iHBZj)

60 "Trump and his kid have mis-read the crowd on the trans issue and the Disney issue."


Trump's up 20 points on DeSantis.

And that people can't see how DeSantis would be flayed alive as "the guy who wants to kill trans kids" if he gets the nomination proves how powerful an information bubble can be.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:17 PM (2tWdQ)

61 What I really liked about Trump in 2015 was that he seemed to be a fast learner.

I seem to have been wrong about that. It was just that he learned differently.

Posted by: West at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (QY+6a)

62 >>>52 Looks like you decided to get an awful lot off your chest, Ace.

indeed. I was going to hold it over for Monday because I don't like strife on Friday but... ah, I just didn't want to let this sit.

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (iHBZj)

63 Ace,

I'm still pissed about Oz (PA voter here) he should have never been the nominee.
Now we're stuck with Fetterlump.

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (vJMBm)

64 I thought presidential politics had become a spectator sport before 2016. It was a hoot to see the Donald whip Hilary, cause no one expected it.
Then, damn! the guy did some good things. But even then, I felt maybe he did those great things out of spite, not because he felt they were right.
Donald is a New York Liberal, who got run out of New York cause he fought the machine. His economic policies were right on the money. His political instincts apparently aren't.
Anyone who goes into the Trump second administration has already seen what will happen to them. He'll have to use the third string, cause not even the second string is strong enough.
That being said, only the thorough gutting of DC will change any of that for Desantis.

Posted by: MkY at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (cPGH3)

65 You're not wrong, and at this point I prefer DeSantis......but damn it, I'd like to see Trump win again just to break their last vestiges of sanity. What's been done to him- what is still being done to him- is a disgrace.

Posted by: Traddy at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (GSJcT)

66 We all know at least one of these court cases is gonna find Trump guilty... Then what ? Time for new blood and I really don't want either of them

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (bs+z0)

67 Grennel stepped on his dick a while back for something else too, can't seem to recall what though.

Posted by: Inogame at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (53oGX)

68 When Trump appointed Grennnnell as DNI, Grennnnnell cut off access to intelligence sharing any ally who wouldn't promote LGBT stuff. Grennnnnnell put promoting gayshit overseas above national security
Posted by: D.N.Gilberry

A gay intelligence agent putting buttsecks above the national interest?
Unpossible!!!

Posted by: Kim Filby at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (iE1nR)

69 Trump is Michael Scott but with a very mean streak

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (iHBZj)

70 I thought ace wasn't going to pull his punches?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (wnEfI)

71 He risked being humiliated by Trump for the chance to run in 2024 and I don't think the gamble is working out for him.
Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:12 PM (xLaq1)

I don't even blame DeSantis personally for it. A lot of people have pumped half a billion dollars into his campaign. They weren't going to tolerate waiting until 2028, especially as Wall Street is funding DeSantis purely to beat Trump. They sure as hell aren't doing it to bankrupt Disney. And once the oligarchs decide RDS has outlived his usefulness, he's going to crash down to Earth like Icarus.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (DTm0P)

72 I'm still pissed about Oz (PA voter here) he should have never been the nominee.
Now we're stuck with Fetterlump.
Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (vJMBm)

It doesn't matter. Pa state elections are as corrupt as fuck.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (y/a4v)

73 Who are those guys?

Posted by: sundance at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (H/3l8)

74 And that people can't see how DeSantis would be flayed alive as "the guy who wants to kill trans kids" if he gets the nomination proves how powerful an information bubble can be.

Well, if the message is that I'm getting the trans bullshit no matter what, then I'm staying home. I'm not interested in a Republicanism that consists solely of consolidating the gains of prior Democrat administrations. We've been doing that shit for 20 years. I'm not doing that anymore.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (ppBhU)

75 >>>70 I thought ace wasn't going to pull his punches?

i don't think I did.

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (iHBZj)

76 DeSantis is a doer, Trump is a poser.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (trdmm)

77 It might come off as an old man yelling at clouds to some people, or maybe grouchy old fart…

Posted by: tubal at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (PCK5/)

78 I have come to loathe and despise the liberal New Yorker and craven idiot narcissist Trump, and I'm going to say so.

But I like you guys, and don't want to upset any of you still supporting this clown.

===

We like you too. Mostly.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (Wl6Ns)

79 >>>I'm not interested in a Republicanism that consists solely of consolidating the gains of prior Democrat administrations.

perfect way to put it!

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (iHBZj)

80 So DeSantis should be disbelieved when he says he's a conservative and Trump should be disbelieved when he says he's a liberal.

This... makes no sense.
Posted by: ace
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Nope, I believe that politicians do whatever to win and Trump has become a politician. GOP types are particularly likely though to do shit like GWB did in office--shit on their base when in office. Religion of Peace my ass for example. Trump had opportunities to do that in office but didn't.

You can attack my statements all you like for disagreement but I have a very long memory of GOP politicians doing that whole conservative gig thing in a state then promptly another in DC including many celebrated on this here website. Hero today, goat tomorrow. Such is life.

I also think that DeSantis going all in on trans issues is not necessarily a winning formula nationally because most people in 24 may be worrying about where their next meal is coming from on the right and left with quite possibly a stupid shooting war in Europe or Asia if Biden's junta overdoes it.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (oqoj8)

81 something tells me Ace ain't votin' Trump...just a hunch

Posted by: DanMan at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (DB6tu)

82 Polls are unreliable!
Trump's up 20 points on DeSantis!
Polls are unreliable!
Trump's up 20 points on DeSantis!

Posted by: Janus at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (ik/65)

83 "did you enjoy those shutdowns?"

"Did you enjoy setting thousands of prisoners in federal jail free, just so Trump could get a photo op with the Kardashians and Kanye? And so Ivana could have something to brag about?"

What elected Republican didn't support those shutdowns at the time? Have any of those thousands of prisoners actually committed new crimes? You don't know, do you?

Again, Donald Trump is far from perfect, but he was the most conservative and successful GOP President since Reagan. That you want to wish all that away because Trump is being mean to DeSantis doesn't speak well for your rationality or character.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (2tWdQ)

84 Florida is such a hell hole Trump lives and stored his stolen documents there.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 21, 2023 05:21 PM (wnEfI)

85 And that people can't see how DeSantis would be flayed alive as "the guy who wants to kill trans kids" if he gets the nomination proves how powerful an information bubble can be.
Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:17 PM (2tWdQ)


So we should ditch DeSantis for Trump because....wait, why exactly? So we can have a Republican president who will let 7-year-old Johnny become Janey, rather than a Democratic president who will let 7-year-old Johnny become Janey?

What is this about for you, apart from sheer personal loyalty? Are there any actual policy goals involved?

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:21 PM (tp+tP)

86 At this point Biden should just roll tanks.

Let's get it over with.

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic at April 21, 2023 05:21 PM (h4LBG)

87 I say that as a former liberal New Yorker and current craven idiot narcissist.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 21, 2023 05:21 PM (Wl6Ns)

88
DeSantis wields political power like Donald Trump wields... twitter.

Or not twitter now. "Truths"

The shit Trump says he's going to do on social media is the stuff DeSantis ACTUALLY DOES

but he doesn't tweet about it so I guess it doesn't count

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:21 PM (iHBZj)

89 60 Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:17 PM (2tWdQ)

Trump will lose because the hallways on bases across the world will conspire with the top floors of DOJ buildings across America to prevent it in a way that being near the civil service since my teens I have never seen before.

I will vote for him even though I bet they will literally yank your clearance for it, but there will not be an America if they cannot keep him from office by their own hand.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:21 PM (Lzpvj)

90 Well, if the message is that I'm getting the trans bullshit no matter what, then I'm staying home. I'm not interested in a Republicanism that consists solely of consolidating the gains of prior Democrat administrations. We've been doing that shit for 20 years. I'm not doing that anymore.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election

Absoutely! I want someone who will fight the Trans shit every minute of every day and *never* compromise, and if that means this country break apart then fuck it, I don't want to live in any country that allows that kind of shit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (trdmm)

91 It's a shame to see Trump become the very thing he fought against, of course I won't say it's out of the blue; you could see all of this beginning to show through all the way back in 2020 if not earlier.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (G1YM0)

92 Trump threads bring out the nics.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (y/a4v)

93 I don't think Biden will even have to cheat to beat Trump this time.

Posted by: Dulcinea del Tuscaloosa at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (ik/65)

94 >>>What elected Republican didn't support those shutdowns at the time? Have any of those thousands of prisoners actually committed new crimes? You don't know, do you?


um, shutdown Ron didn't support them. He opened up AGAINST TRUMP'S WISHES

and then this fucker has the balls to call him "Shutdown Ron."

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (iHBZj)

95 If Florida is such a hell-hole why did Trump move here from New York? I supported and voted for Trump in 2016 and was thrilled with the job he did as President right up to the point where he failed to fire Comey and the rest of the swamp crew and then rolled over for Fauci, GOPe and a stolen election. Nancy and Joe publicly stated how they were going to win the presidency and Trump and Co. did absolutely nothing to prevent it. At the same time Pfizer was rolling out their toxic "vaccine" and the CDC and CMS were banning doctors from using safe, effective outpatient treatments for Covid-19, Trump went on and on about his, "beautiful vaccine." DeSantis was the only public figure with the balls to actually follow the science, open up the state, keep recovering Covid patients out of nursing homes, put kids back in school and get rid of mask and vaccine mandates in Florida. The citizens of Florida love DeSantis, he does what he says he is going to do. If Trump keeps bashing him and Florida, Trump, if he gets the nomination, will lose Florida.

I really would rather DeSantis doesn't run in 2024 because the country is done, but Florida is still standing. We need him here.

Posted by: Joshua Harnew at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (snpvX)

96 If I were advising Ron, I'd tell him, 'let Donald run in '24, just stay out of the way and don't get any on you. Win or lose, he's out next time around. Then you run.'

Trump's presidency had great promise and achieved great things, mostly economic, but was overtaken by 1) events, and 2) his personnel mistakes. A 2-term Trump administration could have done even greater things. But it was not meant to be. That's just the way it is and there's no undoing it.

DeSantis should get his shit together for a future run, after the Trump drama is played out.

As always- YMMV, IMO, unless I'm wrong.

Posted by: DB - author, So You Want To Run For President at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (geLO8)

97 Good, good. Let the hate flow through you.

Posted by: Bill "Emperor Palpatine" Kristol at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (6FIqp)

98 I'm happy to see Ace stopping the self-censorship, I know it's a tough decision and will cause no end of blog trouble. Lockdown Don lost my primary vote during the 2022 election week, putting himself again over the good of the country, and absolutely drove me over the edge this week.

Don French is a disaster, and these scorched earth tactics are ridiculous. He's going to cement in another four years of rule by Jill Biden and Susan Rice. Gonna sella a load of NFT's the the Lindell demo though.

Posted by: Candidus at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (V1yiu)

99 What good is a "fighter" who isn't engaged in the actual fight we're having?

Posted by: Caiwyn at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (Bmy9A)

100 Right. Except that Trump began attacking him as far back as last summer/autumn, giving Meatball no reason to think he would be anointed the heir in 2028. Because he screwed up. He governed competently and had a popularity independent of Trump, which apparently is the unforgivable sin.

I regret this feud as much as anyone, but it's entirely of Trump's making.
Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:15 PM (tp+tP)
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The DeSantis team was mobilizing back then. Trump was reading the signs and made countermoves.

Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (xLaq1)

101 Again, Donald Trump is far from perfect, but he was the most conservative and successful GOP President since Reagan. That you want to wish all that away because Trump is being mean to DeSantis doesn't speak well for your rationality or character.
Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (2tWdQ)

There's only be 3 since Reagan. 2 were Bush's. It's not a large hill to climb, here.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (Lavx8)

102 Can't we all just get along...

I agree: Trump is being a dick to Meatball Ron. The sky is blue and Trump is Trump. But it looks like Trump may very well be the GOP nominee again. I'd prefer DeSantis, but I am perfectly prepared to support Trump against anything the democrats will put up. So, Let's not crawl out so far on any limbs that we cannot crawl back depending on whoever does end up winning.

I remember the rhetoric people (people I admired) were using against Trump in the 2016 primary. Trump was leading at the time, and I was cringing, because there were things said that cannot be unsaid. There were animosities that could not be set aside.

Do you prefer DeSantis or Trump? My answer is YES.

Posted by: tommylotto at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (6QQM8)

103 DeSantis should come out and say that he wishes Trump would violate national security in another state. I'd love to see the reaction.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (wnEfI)

104 first he's Shutdown Ron, now he's Covid Killer Ron

you can't tell me you're PROUD of Trump here, can you?

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (iHBZj)

105
I really would rather DeSantis doesn't run in 2024 because the country is done, but Florida is still standing. We need him here.
Posted by: Joshua Harnew at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (snpv

I agree

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:23 PM (bs+z0)

106 83 Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:20 PM (2tWdQ)

Plenty of released prisoners recommitted crimes, of course since "even more democrat" beat "JFK democrat" it may be hard to track given you know Soros "catch and release DAs"....

You know which President did not have the stone to have Antifa smoked for insurrection?

No not Biden, Trump.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:24 PM (Lzpvj)

107 69 Trump is Michael Scott but with a very mean streak
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:18 PM (iHBZj)

That seems very on point.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:24 PM (exHjb)

108
The lawsuits are out and scoring big for the left; opposition to what's going on isn't free speech anymore, it's actionable.

Fox News, Mike Lindell, Trump and DeSantis better get used to the idea of judges and juries that hate them will take no notice of facts and move straight to fines, punishments and imprisonment to those who say no to whatever insanity is being pushed today.

Any moderation for appearance's sake they used to show doesn't matter any more. The more outrageous the better.

Posted by: Auspex at April 21, 2023 05:24 PM (j4U/Z)

109 92 Trump threads bring out the nics.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (y/a4v)

Interesting phenomenon.

Posted by: tubal at April 21, 2023 05:24 PM (PCK5/)

110 I really would rather DeSantis doesn't run in 2024 because the country is done, but Florida is still standing. We need him here.
Posted by: Joshua Harnew at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (snpv

He's term limited. Out in 2026. He'll be forgotten about in 2028.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:24 PM (Lavx8)

111 "He can't even garner a win in his own Republican controlled state against a bunch of disney groomers"

what an incredibly stupid and ignorant thing to write, poster should go back to DU where he must spend most of his time. DeSantis is winning that fight mightily. Wait til you see what the Florida lege does next week (at DeSantis direction)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (trdmm)

112 And that people can't see how DeSantis would be flayed alive as "the guy who wants to kill trans kids" if he gets the nomination proves how powerful an information bubble can be.
Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:17 PM (2tWdQ)

Did you know that in 2021, Florida allowed abortion until 24 weeks? Wild, right? But fine, DeSantis signs a bill demanding abortion stop at 16 weeks... and now abortion at 6 weeks.

RDS would have had a convincing narrative at 16 weeks. Six weeks, though? I would be happy to see no abortion ever, but this is closer to Miss Lindsay Graham's version: boob bait designed to tank a national election. Which is fine, but the transparent manipulation from someone who clearly isn't a Christian fundamentalist is why people don't like RDS.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (DTm0P)

113 I was an early Trumper and you're right ace.

he did great things but he has lost the script. we don't have time for a fool anymore.

Posted by: x at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (ZBPE2)

114 >>>I agree: Trump is being a dick to Meatball Ron. The sky is blue and Trump is Trump. But it looks like Trump may very well be the GOP nominee again.

i don't think so but I understand why you would say that. It is my sense, which I cannot prove, that support for Trump is very, very shallow and fickle

All of the people I have spoken to daily for five years were all super Pro-Trump (I was among the earliest adopters in this group) but now most of them have turned from Trump to DeSantis. People are just getting fed up with the stupid teenaged-girl drama that seems to be the only thing this idiot is any good at

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (iHBZj)

115 Speaking of doing things, VA has cleaned 29K+ dead people off the voters rolls this week, and has made it easier to pull dead people from voter rolls...

So, VA is getting more and more possible to win for anyone not named Trump...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

116 I really would rather DeSantis doesn't run in 2024 because the country is done, but Florida is still standing. We need him here.
Posted by: Joshua Harnew at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (snpvX)

Absolutely correct.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at April 21, 2023 05:26 PM (MkuC5)

117 Maybe that Kennedy kid isn't so bad.

"Ducks"

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 05:26 PM (vJMBm)

118 "Being gay has nothing to do with being trans"

-

Wait, what?

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:26 PM (NdB+W)

119 Trump was the only one who could beat Hillary. Hillary may have been the only one Trump could beat.

People need to move on. Desantis is the man. He's a better version of trump, in every way possible.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (Lavx8)

120 I don't even blame DeSantis personally for it. A lot of people have pumped half a billion dollars into his campaign. They weren't going to tolerate waiting until 2028, especially as Wall Street is funding DeSantis purely to beat Trump. They sure as hell aren't doing it to bankrupt Disney. And once the oligarchs decide RDS has outlived his usefulness, he's going to crash down to Earth like Icarus.
Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:19 PM (DTm0P)
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Agree. These people didn't have DeSantis' best interests at heart either. They wanted to bury Trump and "move on" back to a pre-Trump style GOP.

It's my personal opinion that a realignment is the only viable way forward for the GOP and Trump represents the best vehicle to hasten the realignment.

Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (xLaq1)

121 Trump threads bring out the nics.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 21, 2023 05:22 PM (y/a4v)


No kidding. This is starting to remind me of blog posts from like ten years ago on legalizing marijuana, when brigades of "libertarians" would show up out of nowhere.

Same kind of fanaticism.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (tp+tP)

122 There's gotta be somebody out there on the R side better than these two

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (bs+z0)

123 As I said in the last thread, if you ask the question, are you better off today than you were four years ago, who would have said yes in 2020?

All the lists of Trump's accomplishments are dwarfed by one simple monumental failure.

I find that hard to ignore.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (eAguo)

124 He's a wheeler-dealer. Good for America's economic and foreign policy interests. But, yeah a very self-centered personality. Everybody knows the playbook with Trump. Kiss his ass and you're in. Lol, even Newsom pulled that one off recently.

Posted by: Halfhand at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (h5AI+)

125 115 Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

Quite, Trump rather than encouraging his rapid supporters to engage at the grassroots level in WI, OH, and other states to scrub the rolls to protest to get reform acts like a third grader with the most successful at combatting the bullshit governor in the country.

Yeah I am so in love with the donations I made to his PAC.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (Lzpvj)

126 Voting for DeSantis? It's 2023 bigot! I bet you're a pedophobic, antisemetic Nazi Incel!

Posted by: Richard "Dick" Grenell, reply to a random tweet at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (cj6ib)

127 "Trump's not just another politician!"

"Well who cares that Trump is lying about DeSantis, that's what politicians do!"

Posted by: Cumquat at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (ik/65)

128 >>>RDS would have had a convincing narrative at 16 weeks. Six weeks, though

I don't think he signed that yet, but I agree, he's going too far with it if he does

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (iHBZj)

129 122 There's gotta be somebody out there on the R side better than these two
Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (bs+z0)

He's sitting in VA, and I think dying to run, but he can't win if both are in the race. He can only win if 1 is...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (exHjb)

130 We all get to decide who we like and who we don't. That's called freedom.
There will be a primary, I won't even vote in it since I'm not party affiliated.
Until the general comes around, I choose to sit back and watch.
The way things are going I'll consider us fortunate to get to 2024.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (jTmQV)

131 All of the people I have spoken to daily for five years were all super Pro-Trump (I was among the earliest adopters in this group) but now most of them have turned from Trump to DeSantis. People are just getting fed up with the stupid teenaged-girl drama that seems to be the only thing this idiot is any good at
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:25 PM (iHBZj)

You still speak to Ed Morrissey and his Hot Air jackasses. No surprise there. And right now you're chucking stones at your glass house, because Trump's doing just fine managing his drama. You're the one melting down.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (DTm0P)

132 >>> Kiss his ass and you're in. Lol, even Newsom pulled that one off recently.

I know, does this not bother anyone? How easy it is to snooker trump, just by flattering him?

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (iHBZj)

133 I don't think he signed that yet, but I agree, he's going too far with it if he does
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (iHBZj)

Yep, this is an avoidable mistake. 15-24 weeks is where vast majority of voters are.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (Lavx8)

134 "shutdown Ron didn't support them. He opened up AGAINST TRUMP'S WISHES"


Dude, you can't open something up unless you shut it down. Ron DeSantis supported the shutdowns. He just wanted them lifted sooner than others. Credit to him, but it's not fair to rewrite history.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (2tWdQ)

135 Did you know that in 2021, Florida allowed abortion until 24 weeks? Wild, right? But fine, DeSantis signs a bill demanding abortion stop at 16 weeks... and now abortion at 6 weeks.

RDS would have had a convincing narrative at 16 weeks. Six weeks, though? I would be happy to see no abortion ever, but this is closer to Miss Lindsay Graham's version: boob bait designed to tank a national election. Which is fine, but the transparent manipulation from someone who clearly isn't a Christian fundamentalist is why people don't like RDS.


So you're complaint is that he's too pro-life?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (ppBhU)

136 Just saw Geraldo say Repubs will never get Gen Z to vote for them unless they embrace environmental justice. Maybe that's was Trump is going for.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (63Dwl)

137 All of the people I have spoken to daily for five years were all super Pro-Trump (I was among the earliest adopters in this group).... Ace

And as I recall/understand there was a prices paid for that decision, personally and on the blog.

Posted by: Candidus at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (V1yiu)

138 The "GOP Realignment" apparently means the Democrats controlling the Presidency for another four years, and perhaps the rest of our lives. What a plan!

Posted by: Charge! at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (ik/65)

139 133 I don't think he signed that yet, but I agree, he's going too far with it if he does
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (iHBZj)

Yep, this is an avoidable mistake. 15-24 weeks is where vast majority of voters are.
Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (Lavx

Don't attack but I think Ron might come off as too extreme ? .. Ducks

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (bs+z0)

140 >There's gotta be somebody out there on the R side better than these two

Posted by: It's me donna


It's always amazed me that in a country as big as the US, we get so many mediocre candidates

where's the decency, the imagination, the competence

Posted by: DB - author, So You Want To Run For President at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (geLO8)

141 Seems like DeSantis and his Bushidiotlike sponsors and Trump and his backstabbing inner circle are their own respective enemies. Is there an adult in the conservative spectrum?

Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (MwrPl)

142 I'm getting sick of Trump and so now I'm completely back where I was in 2015 - not that I ever really left, but Trump was definitely fun for a time.

Politics is dumb. No one is fighting for you. Politicians are pieces of shit, Democrats are bad, Republicans are worse, and the country is long long gone.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (BXxcV)

143 I don't think he signed that yet, but I agree, he's going too far with it if he does
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:28 PM (iHBZj)

He has signed it! It's understandable you don't know that, RDS is running away from this law like an ugly baby. His donors REALLY don't want to hear about abortion restrictions, much less a national abortion ban.

And apparently it only takes effect once the Florida Supreme Court rules on an abortion case. How neat. So it will probably take effect... but maybe it won't. Maybe that's the whole idea.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (DTm0P)

144 There's gotta be somebody out there on the R side better than these two
Posted by: It's me donna

None of them want the job. They don't want to be holding the bag when we lose world reserve currency status and become Argentina with Diversity.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (iE1nR)

145 81 something tells me Ace ain't votin' Trump...just a hunch
Posted by: DanMan

Not really a surprise, he was a Cruz guy at one time. People support who they are going to support and we shall see if DeSantis has the charisma and funding to beat Donald. There is, as Ace has done, plenty to criticize Trump about including his own words, but I have never been much of an advocate type--my background in politics was analytics and historical.

The whole Trans focus of DeSantis is not substantial enough to win the General Election unless you got something more and the time is getting late for DeSantis to make his move in the invisible primary by announcing it. He can certainly win the nomination but that will take a good political organization and demonstrating some charisma. Events and luck can play into it as well--we don't know where the criminal trial(s) might take the electorate if not dismissed.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (oqoj8)

146 136 Just saw Geraldo say Repubs will never get Gen Z to vote for them unless they embrace environmental justice. Maybe that's was Trump is going for.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (63Dwl)

WTF is environmental justice

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (bs+z0)

147 Imagine you're Donald Trump for a moment.

You didn't need to run for POTUS. You had a great life. You did it because you loved this country, you didn't want it to go into the toilet, and you didn't see anybody else doing it. You run, and you win. Not only do you win, but you do -- or try to do -- everything that the GOP has promised us for a generation but didn't do. And you did it while being attacked, maligned, and hounded by the Democrats, the Media, and your own party leadership.

You managed this country through a pandemic where, at the low point, 25 million jobs were lost. Then, during the rebound, 20 million jobs came back. You achieve peace in the Middle East. You get NATO to start paying its fair share. Etc., etc., etc.

What do you get for your trouble?

-cont-

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (/iWhV)

148 "I know, does this not bother anyone? How easy it is to snooker trump, just by flattering him?"


Uh...what has Trump done to benefit Newsom in any way? What position, policy, or principal has he changed? Was Trump supposed to lie about having a good working relationship with Newsom during the pandemic? If they'd been screaming at each other over the phone, would that have been better during a national crisis?

I won't deny there are plenty of reasons to be tired of Trump. The manic intensity and completely unreasonable standards being deployed against Trump are ridiculous.

Posted by: MBunge at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (2tWdQ)

149 Quite, Trump rather than encouraging his rapid supporters to engage at the grassroots level in WI, OH, and other states to scrub the rolls to protest to get reform acts like a third grader with the most successful at combatting the bullshit governor in the country.

Yeah I am so in love with the donations I made to his PAC.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (Lzpvj)

I recall thinking in 2020, given how blatant the steal was BEFORE the results were announced, that surely Team Trump had something to combat it.

Nope. After the fact they made a bunch of wild accusations they couldn't prove, and whined about being cheated.

Yes, you were. Because you had no clue how not to be. So yeah, let's do THAT again next year. Sure.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (eAguo)

150 Well said.

The narcissism to elrefuse to ever admit mistakes and to keep doubling down and attacking from the left sounds more like Lincoln Project than America first.

Posted by: NJRob at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (t2vtk)

151 How long until Trump re"truths" a DailyKos article attacking Desantis?

Posted by: Surfperch at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (cj6ib)

152 Abandoned by GOP leadership, cheated by widespread ballot harvesting with results being changed during an election, and you have to suffer the indignity of having more votes than anybody else in US history -- including The Lightbringer -- to 'lose' to a rutabaga in his basement. Oh, and everyone knows that the Dems cheated, but nobody can bring themselves to say that in public, for fear of being shamed in the media. We know the rest -- the indignities continue apace, even up to this very day.

Then, just this week, you find out that not only 51 'intelligence' 'professionals' were basically working for the Biden campaign, but we know conclusively that high tech, the media, and the Deep State were conspiring to subvert an election. There is conclusive proof that you were ROBBED of an election which was rightfully yours.

-cont-

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (/iWhV)

153 Don't attack but I think Ron might come off as too extreme ? .. Ducks
Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:31 PM (bs+z0)

In a more sane world (10 years ago), D's would have jumped for joy had "pro-lifers" settled on 15-24 weeks. That's how far they've moved on the issue. Now it's basically post partem abortions for all.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (Lavx8)

154 Agree. These people didn't have DeSantis' best interests at heart either. They wanted to bury Trump and "move on" back to a pre-Trump style GOP.

It's my personal opinion that a realignment is the only viable way forward for the GOP and Trump represents the best vehicle to hasten the realignment.
Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (xLaq1)


And where are we on that realignment, exactly?

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (tp+tP)

155 131 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (DTm0P)

Clue me in on Trump's super secret plan to use sucking off democrats by attacking from the left to defeat the dementia patient who "beat him."

I cannot figure out how we win on Trannys or Grooming by rewarding A-B and Disney.

I also cannot do the cognitive gymnastics to make the retard who ordered a national lockdown and basically made the creator of the mess the "fixer" into "the brave guy who opened back up the economy" that the destruction of obliterated his Presidency.

You are I guess the Bombast Whisperer....start the bouncing ball we can't follow anymore.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (Lzpvj)

156 I remember not too long ago, some relatively conservative pundit noted that Trump was, in arguably, severely damaged goods. Great umbrage was taken at this obvious fact. Very much applaud ace for going quite a bit further. Trump's very liberal attacks on Ron are ridiculous and off-putting. Sure, "he fights" but so does Ron, and Ron picks the right fights for the right reasons. Trump just acts like a damn baby and I too, am sick of it. Certainly not a "never" but not impressed either.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM (iOTWL)

157 >>>
And as I recall/understand there was a prices paid for that decision, personally and on the blog.

we didn't lose anyone we couldn't afford to shed

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM (iHBZj)

158 And what is the Republican reaction to this revelation? To welcome Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley (?!), Vivek Ramaswamy, Mike Pence (!!), Tim Scott, etc etc to run for POTUS, completely ignoring the fact that an election was STOLEN, and we should just move on. Nobody need acknowledge the theft that took place, just move on.

If I'm DeSantis, 45 years old, an excellent governor of a great state, someone who absolutely will be POTUS one day, someone who wouldn't even be governor if Trump didn't help you out against Andrew Gillum, the right and honorable thing to do is not to run for POTUS in '24, but it's to throw your hat in with Trump, say he was robbed, do everything you can humanly do to make sure he's the presumptive nominee in '24, and dare America - knowing full well what they wrought in sitting back while this corrupt, perverted vegetable named Joseph Robinette Biden runs this country into the ground -- to vote for the Dems again.

-cont-

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM (/iWhV)

159 And where are we on that realignment, exactly?
Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (tp+tP)

It's balls were cut off, the tits removed; but nothing has been put back on yet.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM (Lavx8)

160 If you're going to cheapen your legacy and your honor, and shaft your benefactor for an illusory short-term sugar rush by running for president in a landscape where it's practically impossible for a Republican to get to 270, and step over Trump to do it -- well, expect a little brushback from GEOTUS, like Revenant says in #9. This is how he rolls, and we know this -- just ask Cruz. After this is over -- no hard feelings, back to business, it's politics -- we know this about Trump. He wants to win, and he's transactional.

-cont-

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM (/iWhV)

161 The realization that we are not gonna see another Republican President is sinking in...I am depressed

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM (bs+z0)

162 -finally -

I get Ace's point. I love Trump, but I'm wide awake to his flaws. Trump, however, put it all on the line for this country -- and he's about $1 billion poorer as a result. He deserves another shot -- uncontested -- for this election, and with the FULL support of the entire GOP apparatus. Because he was robbed, plain and simple. If he wins -- I believe he would have learned his lesson from 2020. He's not running again, has nothing to lose, and payback will be his swan song. If he loses -- and there's a better than even chance that he does, unfortunately -- then the hangman's noose will be on you and me, and it's going to be up to the base -- where it should be, ultimately - to take back America, and clean house ourselves to make it possible for DeSantis to become POTUS in 2028. By that time, the rot should be obvious enough for everyone alive to see that something needs to be done to fix America. If not, nothing short of the Second Coming is going to do it.

-end-

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM (/iWhV)

163 141 Seems like DeSantis and his Bushidiotlike sponsors and Trump and his backstabbing inner circle are their own respective enemies. Is there an adult in the conservative spectrum?
Posted by: Floridachick

Politics is a reflection of society. Our society has went to crap so expecting politics to be above that including massive political teams needed to win the nomination and then the presidency is unrealistic.

Most long time staffers in DC do not really 'see' the people--they talk to each other, they date each other, and they network with each other. The people in the rest of the world are cyphers to them and many moved to DC (like they do in Hollyweird) to get away from normal.

Want a hilarious but darkly disturbing view of these underlings--The Thick of It is a british series with a thinly veiled subplot of Labor and Conservatives with their staff at the level below the PM.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM (oqoj8)

164 So you're complaint is that he's too pro-life?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (ppBhU)

Too pro-life for Florida, never mind the national scene. And I'm someone who would like to see paddy wagons at Planned Parenthood. 16 weeks was fine in Florida, but I imagine a lot of women are feeling extremely betrayed by a six week abortion law that no one even talked about during the campaign.

RDS could have looked like a conservative hero by running on it and signing it into law. Instead it's more of a secret: like only conservative media is supposed to be talking about it. If Trump wanted to end RDS nationally, making him look like a crazed hardliner would position Trump as the reasonable statesman who -only- ended Roe vs. Wade.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM (DTm0P)

165 Trumpis gonna be the nominee, 100%

and all this is only helping the dims

NTers are just dims in sheep's clothing

like Mitt

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 05:36 PM (us2H3)

166 >>>Nope. After the fact they made a bunch of wild accusations they couldn't prove, and whined about being cheated.

i've mentioned this before but I know a lawyer who was consulted about starting a full election-contest lawsuit in a disputed state. He told trump the likely bill -- I think around $300,000.

Trump said that was too high and elected just to request the free recount and whine about it on Twitter and at rallies. A recount does nothing but re-count the votes that were counted the first time; you can't argue about the governor changing voting laws on his own authority or anything like that

those who say Trump doesn't care about money are deluding themselves

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:36 PM (iHBZj)

167 I am a hardcore right to lifer so I don’t see the Florida law as extreme at all. I would make it More restrictive. But I can say that… I am not a lying-ass triangulating politician whose finger is always testing the wind for votes.

Posted by: tubal at April 21, 2023 05:36 PM (PCK5/)

168 Desantis might not have been reelected as Fl governor had he signed a 6 week abortion bill before 2020. So the question is, what is the goal of signing it now when he is prepping to run for the Presidency? Are his handlers trying to set him up as too extreme so another more moderate GOPe can win the nomination? Virginia governor?

Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 05:36 PM (MwrPl)

169 >>>NTers are just dims in sheep's clothing

they seem to agree with Trump on the ickyness of culture war issues!

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:37 PM (iHBZj)

170 Reading these comments is like sitting in John Cardillo's Twitter feed. Lots of new names too.

Hard pass.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 21, 2023 05:37 PM (3ImbR)

171 And where are we on that realignment, exactly?
Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (tp+tP)
--

So far, the working-class MAGA base (Reagan Democrats / Obama-Trump voters) has only really come out in force for Trump. They didn't come out in 2022 midterms when Trump wasn't on the ballot, and the GOP "red wave" didn't materialize as a result.

That's Trump's base. And it needs to become the GOP base for the GOP to win in the future. These blue-collar voters have to be welded to the GOP to offset Dem gains in the suburbs.

Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:37 PM (xLaq1)

172 Four more years of... f***ing Ivana's sorority sisters?

I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (nfrXX)

173 I recall thinking in 2020, given how blatant the steal was BEFORE the results were announced, that surely Team Trump had something to combat it.

Nope. After the fact they made a bunch of wild accusations they couldn't prove, and whined about being cheated.

Yes, you were. Because you had no clue how not to be. So yeah, let's do THAT again next year. Sure.

Posted by: BurtTC

-

I no longer know how it's countered except at the state legislature level. We just watched Alec Baldwin walk free after murdering a woman by shooting her point-blank in the face. No judge is going to give Trump (or MTG, or any other unsavory christofascistwhitesupremacist) even the chance to step into the courtroom, much less a fair trial.

Our only hope is cleaning stuff up at the state level, and Soros and Company are a decade or more ahead on that.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (NdB+W)

174 Can Trump win, Independents, Women any Gen Zers?
How is he planning on getting to 270 EV's?

All you have to do is look at what happened in 2022 to know where we are headed.

Sadly, Trump has alienated too many people. Even my friends that use to be always Trump have soured on him.

Unfortunately, Trump may win the primary, but I don't think he can win the general because he motivates too many people to vote against him and not enough people to vote for him.

I'll vote for Trump if he's the nominee, but I know a lot of people who won't vote this time around.
They don't want the drama.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (NpAcC)

175 The realization that we are not gonna see another Republican President is sinking in...I am depressed
Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM (bs+z0)

Don't worry, you might get puppets like me in office from time to time.

Posted by: Jeb! at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (cj6ib)

176 Every state shut down initially but it was obvious by that Summer that only the elderly, and those with preexisting conditions at that, were at any real risk.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (wnEfI)

177 He has signed it! It's understandable you don't know that, RDS is running away from this law like an ugly baby. His donors REALLY don't want to hear about abortion restrictions, much less a national abortion ban.

And apparently it only takes effect once the Florida Supreme Court rules on an abortion case. How neat. So it will probably take effect... but maybe it won't. Maybe that's the whole idea.
Posted by: trev006

Umm, if DeSantis did sign that 6 week bill, he best have a plan to defend it as I think it will cost him two votes for every one it gains him in a lot of places.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (oqoj8)

178
None of them want the job. They don't want to be holding the bag when we lose world reserve currency status and become Argentina with Diversity.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable


Nobody wants to catch the bridal bouquet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (63Dwl)

179 157 Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM (iHBZj)

I miss a few and I did not miss a few at all.

You are dead on about Trump this time.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (Lzpvj)

180 This is how we get four more years of biden.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (Y/u0P)

181 Trump, however, put it all on the line for this country -- and he's about $1 billion poorer as a result. He deserves another shot -- uncontested -- for this election, and with the FULL support of the entire GOP apparatus.

This just isn't about Trump, what he's lost, or what he deserves. We don't owe him anything. He's our tool; he works for us, not the other way around. We do the hiring and firing. So he either earns our support or he doesn't. And for me, pro-Disney, pro-trans, pro-gay does not earn my support. It's a total dealbreaker.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (ppBhU)

182 146 136 Just saw Geraldo say Repubs will never get Gen Z to vote for them unless they embrace environmental justice. Maybe that's was Trump is going for.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (63Dwl)

WTF is environmental justice
Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (bs+z0)

Communism.

Posted by: Liberty at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (8T+Dq)

183 What difference does any of this make? Trump won't be allowed to win and neither will DeSantis. If they can get away with 80 million ballots for BIDEN in 2020 and nobody blew up the whole damn lie, what makes you think 2024 will be any different?

Posted by: Alan Bourdillion Trahearne at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (bW3p6)

184 180 This is how we get four more years of biden.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (Y/u0P)

Pretty sure were getting that anyway Nurse

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (bs+z0)

185 I know this: It's gonna be a shit show

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 05:40 PM (vJMBm)

186 168 Desantis might not have been reelected as Fl governor had he signed a 6 week abortion bill before 2020. So the question is, what is the goal of signing it now when he is prepping to run for the Presidency? Are his handlers trying to set him up as too extreme so another more moderate GOPe can win the nomination? Virginia governor?
Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 05:36 PM (MwrPl)

VA Gov is pushing for 13-15 weeks...of course, this is after the last gov almost passed abortion after birth, so VA Gov is also going very right for his state...which I am very happy with. I really like both his and DeSantis's "take as much right policy wins as you can get" approach - don't compromise, move the window so we can win more under the next gov, and then the next one...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:40 PM (exHjb)

187 so okay, I miss NDH and, I forget her name, another female poster who guest blogged from time to time, I think she was buddies with NDH

Like YT? Something like a woman's name and then YT?

but most of the ones who left? Good riddance!

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:41 PM (iHBZj)

188 This is how we get four more years of biden.
Posted by: nurse ratched

About that...

Posted by: Mr. Grim, here for the reaping at April 21, 2023 05:41 PM (iE1nR)

189 should have said "don't compromise the principle", not don't compromise - the principle is get the state moving more pro-life, and both are trying as much as they can...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:41 PM (exHjb)

190 185 I know this: It's gonna be a shit show
Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 05:40 PM (vJMBm)

Finally something we can all agree on

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:41 PM (bs+z0)

191 It's my personal opinion that a realignment is the only viable way forward for the GOP and Trump represents the best vehicle to hasten the realignment.
Posted by: Revenant at April 21, 2023 05:27 PM (xLaq1)

The realignment has already happened among the base. Many Republicans will not accept a candidate that isn't Donald Trump. The donors and their owned critters in Congress are trying to camouflage themselves as MAGA. Already we see people like Jeff Flake, John McCain, Fred Upton, Adam Kinziger, and a variety of owned politicians exiting the game. They simply couldn't fake loyalty to America long enough to withstand the wave. Well, except McCain, but getting rid of him would have been vital to stop the base being newly enraged whenever the Keating Sixth would open his mouth.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:42 PM (DTm0P)

192 oh and i miss lauraw and slublog.

Ekdahl and andy too.

But among the commenters, it was a lot of turd like chemjeff and jeffb

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:42 PM (iHBZj)

193 180 Posted by: nurse ratched at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (Y/u0P)

Tinkerbell will fly if you people will JUST CLAP!

I remember mocking the Obamnites for that line of reasoning.

I called Trump being the only Republican that could beat Hillary, and I also said THEN that Biden would clean his clock.

Trump cannot beat anybody any democrat anymore and if his rhetoric is real we would have a democrat beating a democrat.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:42 PM (Lzpvj)

194 "Nope. After the fact they made a bunch of wild accusations they couldn't prove, and whined about being cheated."

now let's do the 6 hugely populated precincts that all shut down at the same time...has that ever been resolved or is just hunky dory and forget it happened?

Posted by: DanMan at April 21, 2023 05:42 PM (DB6tu)

195 You’re now using full blast Pedro Gonzalez, the no true Scotsman of conservatism/populism who thinks anything short of 1488 is a liberal, to try and beat down Trump? At least acknowledge Reaboi and Gonzalez are being paid just like the people defending Trump that you hate so much.

And you’re now full in on the “voting was totally legit in ‘20 and ‘22?” And just pretending the senate didn’t get gainzzz in ‘18?

Why not use the new play of Trump is pro choice while you’re at it?

Why not be like super tough conservative Matt Walsh and say you’ll vote for Egg McMuffin, just like Walsh did in ‘16?

I remember the good old days, so I just won’t be here for your current tantrum, however long it lasts..

Posted by: TransitionTranny at April 21, 2023 05:42 PM (NLOnr)

196 >>>80 This is how we get four more years of biden

I don't think Biden will be the nominee which is why I ruefully laugh when people brag that Trump is two points up on Biden, the most unpopular president ever

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:43 PM (iHBZj)

197 192 Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:42 PM (iHBZj)

I miss Amish Dude, I miss Sean Bannion....

there were a lot of posters who were either ex-mil, contractors, or retirees who understood how badly the system hated Trump better than I did.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:43 PM (Lzpvj)

198 I'm OUT!

Slams money on table, exits.

Posted by: Cramer at April 21, 2023 05:43 PM (wsHtO)

199 I wouldn't hesitate to back Trump and vote for him in the general, but this relentless talking about the steal and relentless crap about DeSantis makes me wonder what he will do as president. Finish his program, whatever that is, or just attack his enemies?

Posted by: PJ at April 21, 2023 05:43 PM (G1dq6)

200 Meatball might still run cuz in 2 he's a man without a home

unless he want's to challenge Marco or Rick

and in 2024, he wil face some pretty shrewd operators

one in particular from a blue state

and Markwayne Mullen, who I think has ideas about being POTUS

a man of the people

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (us2H3)

201 >>>I remember the good old days, so I just won’t be here for your current tantrum, however long it lasts..

it will last through January 2025.

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (iHBZj)

202 Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:43 PM (iHBZj)

I think Biden will be the nominee.. Unless he dies

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (bs+z0)

203 This Ewok woke up and chose violence.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (frr40)

204 You can cry all you want about Trump but without us you're nothing - Cucksantis will rollover like the little GOPer girl he is so we're (30-40%) of the base ain't voting for the piker. We either vote Trump in to burn down the deep state or sit 2024 out and let Biden/McConnel cabal burn it down themselves. Either way you lose. Get use to it - 'course you already are used to losing since you're at heart GOPer nevertrump Necons - who only know how to lose. Oh, and if Trump wins you'll all be back on the bandwagon in 6 months extolling his virtues just like you two-face bitches did the last go-around.

Posted by: SiroPAngnew at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (UOZS4)

205 187 Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:41 PM (iHBZj)

KaTYdid I think.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (Lzpvj)

206 What difference does any of this make? Trump won't be allowed to win and neither will DeSantis. If they can get away with 80 million ballots for BIDEN in 2020 and nobody blew up the whole damn lie, what makes you think 2024 will be any different?
Posted by: Alan Bourdillion Trahearne at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (bW3p6)

Put simply, 2024 isn't our last chance. It's theirs. As hungry as the country was for Make America Great Again in 2016, it's hungrier now. Black truckers and Hispanic nannies are crossing over as Trump Republicans: former Fox News watchers are increasingly radicalized. Biden's not just burning his candle at both ends, he threw the whole thing in the fire as a "distraction." Without a peaceful transfer of power back to MAGA, the Democrats can look forward to a decade of collapsing legitimacy for the federal government, if not a collapse itself.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:45 PM (DTm0P)

207 In 2016, Trump broke the Democrats and the media.
In 2020, they--and outright fraud--broke Trump.

Trump was in power in 2020 and literally watched the theft go down in real time. Because of this, he believes he's owed the presidency in 2024, but he can't focus and concentrate and be cool, so he's lashing out at people whose support he needs. He's also getting bad advice.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 21, 2023 05:45 PM (mR6Gs)

208
WTF is environmental justice
Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:32 PM (bs+z0)

Equity, racist.

Please contact your local prosecutor with all your personal information so the your indictment can be processed quickly.

Posted by: Auspex at April 21, 2023 05:46 PM (j4U/Z)

209 Sadly, Trump has alienated too many people. Even my friends that use to be always Trump have soured on him.

When people start saying I would love to vote for xyz, but ..... Just come out and say you support the other guy.

In fact, we simply don't know who will be running in 2024 and the primaries do not even start until about 7 months from now. Polls are like the weather, changing and fluctuating at this time.
Then there is a non-zero chance we may have an economic implosion this fall (when they normally occur in the Sept. to Oct range), and dead Americans manning Patriot batteries in Ukraine. Plus Xi and Taiwan and perhaps another convenient epidemic.

Then there are voting systems, out of control inflation and spending, a possible default, and so on.

In our future, there is DOOM enough for all of us so worrying about who might be the GOP prezzie nomination is pretty low on my listicle. I don't really have an emotional investment in either of them and who knows--both Trump and DeSantis destroy each other and it will be Nikki and Youngkin/Abbott dueling it out. Then the hyperbole and mudslinging here will be about them.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:46 PM (oqoj8)

210 182 146 136 Just saw Geraldo say Repubs will never get Gen Z to vote for them unless they embrace environmental justice. Maybe that's was Trump is going for.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:30 PM (63Dwl)


Jerry River's word is not safe on nuttin

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 05:46 PM (us2H3)

211 This is how we get four more years of biden.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 21, 2023 05:39 PM (Y/u0P)

That's what we'll get if we're lucky, what's more likely is that due to Biden's advanced age we'll get 1 more year of Joe and 3 years of Kameltoe.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 21, 2023 05:46 PM (cj6ib)

212 204 Posted by: SiroPAngnew at April 21, 2023 05:44 PM (UOZS4)

It ain't crying champ it is laughing....

Go Thelma and Louise Trump brought us this current shitshow by not seeing what the lockdowns were goiung to do.

I got banned at Hotair, and Insty's for calling out their limp wrists demanding SHUTDOWNS forever! because retards could see what was happening.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:46 PM (Lzpvj)

213 >>>You’re now using full blast Pedro Gonzalez, the no true Scotsman of conservatism/populism who thinks anything short of 1488 is a liberal, to try and beat down Trump? At least acknowledge Reaboi and Gonzalez are being paid just like the people defending Trump that you hate so much.


i don't know who's getting paid. I sure believe that one of the nastiest scumbags on the pro-trump side is getting paid, that Alex Bruesomething.

The guy who posted that "Tiny D" has a Tiny D, and how much more satisfied he'd feel with Trump's larger dick! NO no no really, he posted that!

You're saying Pedro Gonzalez is a N@zi? That's quite a charge. I don't know much about him but I know people like Darren Beattie have had similar allegations thrown at them, he's on Trump's side.

maybe we shouldn't just repeat the slurs of the left as far as who's a "N@zi"

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:46 PM (iHBZj)

214 it won't be biden, it won't be kamala

it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

215 I remember the good old days, so I just won’t be here for your current tantrum, however long it lasts..
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it will last through January 2025.

--

Not if the RESTRICT Act passes. And it will.

We won't be able to discuss the 2024 election when it happens.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (NdB+W)

216 newsom didn't go to Florida just to enjoy Miami's music scene

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

217 And as I recall/understand there was a prices paid for that decision, personally and on the blog.

we didn't lose anyone we couldn't afford to shed
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:34 PM

Cruelty level: Chuy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (Wnv9h)

218 Will Biden be primaried out? He's supposed to announce Tuesday.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (63Dwl)

219 I thought he'd be ranting about the four charges federal prosecutors have been considering against Hunt. They're ridiculous and, no doubt, offensive to decent, law abiding citizens but pfft on us.

I had hoped Trump & DeSantis would become allies of sorts. It was foolish on my part, but the silver lining is I'll concentrate on state and local politics.

Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra and Jade, too. at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (GshMh)

220 Put simply, 2024 isn't our last chance. It's theirs. As hungry as the country was for Make America Great Again in 2016, it's hungrier now. Black truckers and Hispanic nannies are crossing over as Trump Republicans: former Fox News watchers are increasingly radicalized. Biden's not just burning his candle at both ends, he threw the whole thing in the fire as a "distraction." Without a peaceful transfer of power back to MAGA, the Democrats can look forward to a decade of collapsing legitimacy for the federal government, if not a collapse itself.
Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:45 PM (DTm0P)

You're persuasive, and there's no doubt that if the election was run fairly --and Trump got the full-throated backing of the entire GOP apparatus, he'd win in a landslide

But those are two big ifs

Posted by: JoeF. at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (mR6Gs)

221 i've mentioned this before but I know a lawyer who was consulted about starting a full election-contest lawsuit in a disputed state. He told trump the likely bill -- I think around $300,000.

Trump said that was too high and elected just to request the free recount and whine about it on Twitter and at rallies. A recount does nothing but re-count the votes that were counted the first time; you can't argue about the governor changing voting laws on his own authority or anything like that

those who say Trump doesn't care about money are deluding themselves
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:36 PM (iHBZj)

I haven't read it because I don't want to, but Mollie Hemingway wrote a book with her husband about the legal path to contesting those state elections, and the gist of their conclusion, I believe, is that Trump's legal team came in and ruined their chance of fighting from that perspective. Team Trump made a lot of accusations they couldn't prove, which basically allowed the left to run with the narrative that it's misinformation to say the election was stolen.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (eAguo)

222 214 it won't be biden, it won't be kamala

it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

Damn, Ace, you live around here, b/c I also agree on this.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (exHjb)

223 it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

You really think so ? I'm in CA and he's not all that popular here

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (bs+z0)

224

I don't believe it!

Ace really has a time machine!

Posted by: pawn at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (wsHtO)

225 Umm, if DeSantis did sign that 6 week bill, he best have a plan to defend it as I think it will cost him two votes for every one it gains him in a lot of places.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (oqoj

Ideally, his supporters would brag about it constantly in conservative media. Once the nom is wrapped up, the Florida Supreme Court would simply strike down the law and DeSantis would pivot back to "for the states."

Donald Trump is having none of it, however, and making DeSantis look alternately like a raving fanatic/ cynical Bushbot will drive RDS' negatives sky-high long before the primaries start.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (DTm0P)

226 For example, Trump repeatedly embraced the LGBT Alphabet Mafia and, when North Carolina was getting boycotted for trying to make bathrooms single-sex again -- because some leftwing cities had passed laws requiring all bathrooms to be open to transgenders and, well, anyone -- Trump took the side against the state government, telling them to "leave them the way they are," that is, leave the bathrooms open to anyone of any gender.

———-

Not exactly

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (ruW19)

227 He's also getting bad advice.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 21, 2023 05:45 PM (mR6Gs)

No he's not.

Leave Trump alone!

Posted by: Dis Knee at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM (h4LBG)

228 Were people banned or did they leave on their own?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 21, 2023 05:49 PM (wnEfI)

229
In our future, there is DOOM enough for all of us so worrying about who might be the GOP prezzie nomination is pretty low on my listicle.

--

This.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:49 PM (NdB+W)

230 my guess is the political landscape will look very different a year from now

the one thing Musk was right about in his interview with Tuca

CRE is a ticking time bomb that can't be deactivated

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 05:49 PM (us2H3)

231 To be honest does it really matter?
A brain dead scarecrow won last time.
What's going to be different? I fear it's already too late.

Posted by: Lars Pilsen at April 21, 2023 05:49 PM (kJH1Z)

232 The charitable and, honestly, probably accurate take to Trump being all over the place is that he understands the importance of winning, and *of presenting the image of having won, or at least of having been right*, without being weighed down by the shortsighted principles of serious conservatives (of which he isn't - for those who are dense, still) or constrained by the fake principles of establishment "conservative" shills.

This is for all of the marbles. There is no second place when this is over. Although I don't know if campaigning work now is a rearguard action, a hopeless last stand, or the start of a real effort.

Posted by: somedood at April 21, 2023 05:49 PM (EgLGT)

233 it won't be biden, it won't be kamala

it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

This is obvious by now, but I no longer think he's an automatic shoo-in for the general election. He's got the hair gel, but he also has a lot of baggage.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 21, 2023 05:50 PM (mR6Gs)

234 Kinda staying Switzerland on this one, for now. We are nearly a year away from real people voting in a primary. A year and a half away from an election. I haven't decided, and won't decide until the time comes. That said, Donny Two-Scoops has been asshoe in the last couple of weeks, more so than usual. And the coof is his weakest issue, grossly mishandled by him and his administration. He should STFU.

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at April 21, 2023 05:50 PM (kc0fx)

235 Okay, this is officially boring. I understand the people who still support Trump for the nomination, but that's no excuse for being impervious to logic. All I can say is, I look forward to your defending Trump's endorsement of abortion-on-demand and yuuuge government health care, and whatever else he knows DeSantis doesn't like.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 21, 2023 05:51 PM (tp+tP)

236 Uh oh, ace is BIG mad that half a billion dollars can't buy DeSantis the nom.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:12 PM (DTm0P)

_______

Actually having read the content, it's coming across that Ace is "big mad" that Trump is acting like a leftist imbecile.

Can't really see where he's wrong.

Posted by: McLurkerson at April 21, 2023 05:51 PM (wNDOJ)

237 228 Posted by: Dr Spank at April 21, 2023 05:49 PM (wnEfI)

They left for the most part.

They could not stand that backing Trump was the right call, and to be fair they are not the traitorous assholes the LincolnLogs were.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:51 PM (Lzpvj)

238 DeSantis too extreme? Hardly. I want a candidate whose face and voice are unknown, because he's always wearing a hood and standing silently with a headsman's ax and a t-shirt that just says "SOON."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2023 05:51 PM (oINRc)

239 They elected Fetterman It doesn't matter and the
Democrats know it.

Trump motivates their base into a frenzy.

Biden could be in a coma and would still win.

If the midterms had turned out differently they would be trying to get rid of Biden.

Now there is no need to.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 21, 2023 05:52 PM (NpAcC)

240 233 it won't be biden, it won't be kamala

it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

This is obvious by now, but I no longer think he's an automatic shoo-in for the general election. He's got the hair gel, but he also has a lot of baggage.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 21, 2023 05:50 PM (mR6Gs)

Newsom has steamer trunks full of it. Oh, and his ex-wife is with Don Jr. now, so you know they have his number.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:52 PM (/iWhV)

241 I liked Trump. I like DeSantis more.

Neither will be President.

Even if everything else was fair, there is a contingent of Republican voters who will never vote for Trump. Ever.

And DeSantis may be popular in Florida but if he is the candidate then the entire election is about abortion and we lose.

But everything is not fair. Landslides will be engineered against them. Elections are over.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 21, 2023 05:52 PM (frr40)

242 Unfortunately, Trump may win the primary, but I don't think he can win the general because he motivates too many people to vote against him and not enough people to vote for him.

I'll vote for Trump if he's the nominee, but I know a lot of people who won't vote this time around.
They don't want the drama.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 21, 2023 05:38 PM (NpAcC)
------------------

This is what I'm seeing around me also. And if this is too small a sample size, look at 2020 and his close race endorsements in 2022. Whether it was fraud or disapproval or both doesn't matter. Trump doesn't have enough overall popularity and backing by the republican party to overcome any of it. I doubt any republican does because this country at every stop has been taken over by too many tyrannical assholes.

It will take more than one M-fucking Trump to fix this mess, if it is fixable at all.

Posted by: Richard Kiel's Metal Teeth at April 21, 2023 05:52 PM (RG7Wy)

243 238 DeSantis too extreme? Hardly. I want a candidate whose face and voice are unknown, because he's always wearing a hood and standing silently with a headsman's ax and a t-shirt that just says "SOON."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2023 05:51 PM (oINRc)

Got my vote

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:52 PM (bs+z0)

244 Trump is turning into an undisciplined egomaniacal caricature of what he think his base wants him to be. He's wrong. He sounds like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum. And then lying about what set him off.

He cannot ever sit in the Oval Office again. It will not happen. It will not be allowed.

Newsome is our next. God help
Us.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 21, 2023 05:53 PM (NOlOe)

245 want a candidate whose face and voice are unknown, because he's always wearing a hood and standing silently with a headsman's ax and a t-shirt that just says "SOON."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2023 05:51 PM

Get out of my closet.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 21, 2023 05:53 PM (Wnv9h)

246 it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)


Not possible. The guy is the Mitt Romney of the Democrats. Absolute douche who the base doesn't actually trust. He'd have no shortage of money to get the nom, but Team Biden is not just going to let their gravy train dry up like that.

Even if they could get rid of Biden/ Harris, what would they say? The most popular presidential ticket in American history had to be purged, all while their rivals are (mostly) happily renomination the guy who they think was cheated out of it?

It doesn't matter while a Satanic power like Dominion counts the votes, but the point of democracy is to reflect the consent of the governed. Especially if war with Russia/ China is pending.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:53 PM (DTm0P)

247 Anyone but that fake communist currently squatting.

Posted by: Summer at April 21, 2023 05:54 PM (VlrNh)

248 But everything is not fair. Landslides will be engineered against them. Elections are over.

--

Yep. I saw an interesting article the other day suggesting that the Constitution had already been displaced (that might not be the right word) and Americans simply hadn't been informed. I'll try to dig it up.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:54 PM (NdB+W)

249 I still say the nod will go to Biden

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:54 PM (bs+z0)

250
CRE is a ticking time bomb that can't be deactivated
Posted by: REDACTED


What is CRE?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:54 PM (63Dwl)

251 Grenell gets to define just where the line is crossed into "Homophobic Trope"? And he gets that authority because he is "Gay" and you're not?

And that line is anyone that FEELZ like a Woman gets into women's bathrooms ... thanks Grenell for laying down your Lines for us ... they are pure Bullshit (and gay sex is a perversion, not a process of enlightenment).

The whole "agree with me or you are xyz-phobic" is the left's cancel culture for when they can't win the argument/debate.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 21, 2023 05:55 PM (Cus5s)

252 oh, and a friend, Michael Anton, trump's former NatSec spokesman, supports Trump. He was notoriously branded a "N@zi" by Bill Kristol, who later greeted him with a smile and extended hand at an event. Anton refused to take his hand, and said something like, "Oh, so I guess you either were lying when you called me a N@zi, or you just routinely greet N@zis at political events with smile and a big 'hi, how you been'?"

So the N@zi thing... I'm sure there are some N@zis but the term gets thrown around and basically only means what lefties have always meant it to mean: "Someone who's further right than I am"

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:55 PM (iHBZj)

253 214 it won't be biden, it won't be kamala

it will be newsom


Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

Nope. Witmer.

Posted by: Auspex at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM (j4U/Z)

254 It will be Biden and Kamala or Kamala and Buttigieg. Book it, seal it and deliver it.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM (BXxcV)

255 So Biden just signed an Environmental justice EO today... Hurrah !

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM (bs+z0)

256 >>>This is obvious by now, but I no longer think he's an automatic shoo-in for the general election. He's got the hair gel, but he also has a lot of baggage.
Posted by: JoeF.

they all do!

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM (iHBZj)

257 132 >>> Kiss his ass and you're in. Lol, even Newsom pulled that one off recently.

I know, does this not bother anyone? How easy it is to snooker trump, just by flattering him?

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (iHBZ


I mean come on, he's practically swapping spit with Kim Jong-Un, a murderous dictator, because "he said nice things about me."

Posted by: duke at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM (uyAU7)

258 Assuming that Trump's attacks on DeSantis are solely to improve his chances in the primary, then Trump thinks a significant, winning number of Republican primary voters are pro-LGBT agenda, pro kid mutilation, pro-abortion, pro-Disney groomers, pro- men in a dress invading ladies rooms and women's sports, all in on lockdowns, masking, useless 'vaccines'. What if he is right?

*gulp*

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (fs1hN)

259 Grenell gets to define just where the line is crossed into "Homophobic Trope"? And he gets that authority because he is "Gay" and you're not?

You understand perfectly.

Posted by: Don Lemon at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (ppBhU)

260 Ironically, the latest events have made it imperative that Brandon runs

if he begs off and becomes a lame duck , if things go to shit, legally, the dims will abandon his dead ass.

he has to give them a reason to care

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (us2H3)

261 It will take more than one M-fucking Trump to fix this mess, if it is fixable at all.
Posted by: Richard Kiel's Metal Teeth at April 21, 2023 05:52 PM (RG7Wy)

Path to 270 for Republicans, any Republican: there isn't one. I've been gridding my lions for the next four-year reign of Joey the Longshits. The Republic ended years ago.

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (kc0fx)

262 >>> All I can say is, I look forward to your defending Trump's endorsement of abortion-on-demand and yuuuge government health care, and whatever else he knows DeSantis doesn't like.

I was going to mention that, but I don't think that's fair; he said he's against any federal law about abortion. especially now that desantis has signed the six week state ban, I'm sure desantis will likewise make the same pledge about a *federal* law

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (iHBZj)

263 All true… that being said I am tired of all the histrionics and dramatic hyperbole. And it is only 2023. I would bet I am not the only one who is tuning out…
Posted by: tubal
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What I am saying if you insult Trump's supporters, they are not likely to vote for DeSantis. For a time in life, I was in sales--you never get a sale by insulting what the customer's preferences are.

There will be drama and hyperbole regardless if Trump did not even exist except the storm cloud would be over DeSantis or whoever the GOP's candidate was. Heck they trashed McCain and severely conservative Mitt with glee before promoting them to senior statesmen when it was convenient for leftist goals to do so.

The truth is that our country is probably on the verge of very bad things happening almost all at once and that naturally leads to sturm and drang in the elections.

I don't have a candidate right now really as Cromwell is unfortunately quite dead, decapitated, and probably would not be photogenic on TV. But, when you view all candidates as compromises, you are less bothered by the whole True Scotsman type outrages you see. The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (oqoj8)

264 Democrats have zero increntive to go through a messy primary process unless they want to collect more names and money from their dumb retard voters. None.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 05:58 PM (BXxcV)

265 "Oh, and his ex-wife is with Don Jr. now, so you know they have his number.
I tend to stay away from affairs of the heart, but that is a real head-scratcher.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 21, 2023 05:58 PM (jTmQV)

266 So Biden just signed an Environmental justice EO today... Hurrah !

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Oh, that reminds me.

The Senate has introduced a bill mandating digital identities for all Americans.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:58 PM (NdB+W)

267 Oh, that reminds me.

The Senate has introduced a bill mandating digital identities for all Americans.
Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:58 PM

Fuck that!

Posted by: 0100011011000011 at April 21, 2023 06:01 PM (Wnv9h)

268 235 Okay, this is officially boring. I understand the people who still support Trump for the nomination, but that's no excuse for being impervious to logic. All I can say is, I look forward to your defending Trump's endorsement of abortion-on-demand and yuuuge government health care, and whatever else he knows DeSantis doesn't like.
Posted by: Dr. T
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You can ease off the hyperbole Doc. None of that is true at the present time so wait until it is. Your argument is simply pure rhetoric and not even good rhetoric by Aristolean standards.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:01 PM (oqoj8)

269 Trump is running purely out of ego and a desire to get his vengeance for being shit out of the 2020 election.

Personnel is policy, and he fucking sucks at hiring people. Full stop. It was a constant parade of dingleberries that got hired because they figured out that all you have to do is kiss Don's ass and he'll give you a job for your "loyalty." Governance isn't Twitter; it isn't Celebrity Apprentice.

I'm fully out on Trump '24. I'm tired of the increasingly-incoherent petty sniping and drama. Tired of the increasingly-fucking-gay nicknames like this is 5th grade recess. Tired of all of it.

I'm also not all-in on DeSantis, just because I think we're fucked in '24 and no GOPer will be allowed to win, and don't want to see him shoot his wad in an unwinnable war.

Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:01 PM (oXNqT)

270 What is CRE?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 05:54 PM (63Dwl)

commercial real estate, huge loans (bets) the banks have made

and normally, the banks feel smug with the idea that they always have the buildings to fall back on, in case of a default

but building vacancies are very high atm and spoil the outlook for the banks

and the vacancies are gonna cause defaults

ergo BOOM

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 06:01 PM (us2H3)

271 Trump doesn't care about "the base". Trump cares about winning. And it used to be that when he won, we won too.

Do you want a fighter, or a "conservative"?

Posted by: pawn at April 21, 2023 06:01 PM (wsHtO)

272 What if he is right?

Shit, he is.

Listen to the bellyaching about Ron being too pro-life.

Look, I get Ace not being into that. He's a squish (and I mean that gently). But the sandwichboard-wearing "abortion is murder" people suddenly wetting themselves because pro-life people think overruling Roe v. Wade is a means to an end, rather than the end in itself? Do these motherfuckers have any principles they won't sacrifice in order to see a Republican with good hair in office? It's a rhetorical question, but they do not.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 21, 2023 06:01 PM (ppBhU)

273 >>>Not possible. The guy is the Mitt Romney of the Democrats. Absolute douche who the base doesn't actually trust. He'd have no shortage of money to get the nom, but Team Biden is not just going to let their gravy train dry up like that.


i don't know the dems' read on him. I assume he went to Florida to show he could "fight in enemy territory," which all the lefties love.

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (iHBZj)

274 You are I guess the Bombast Whisperer....start the bouncing ball we can't follow anymore.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 05:33 PM (Lzpvj)

Don't feel bad, lesser minds often beg me for help. But this isn't even chess, it's boxing. RDS is showing off gigapunch after gigapunch to prove he is the Severest Conservative, all while praying no one notices the mountain of Wall Street money behind him. Trump may not have to match him blow for blow, but then he doesn't have to. Avoid the swings, feed the rage, and wait for the other guy to burn out. It would be a suicidally bad idea against Mike Tyson, but Ron ain't Tyson.

I think Ace read my comment about DeSantis signing a six-week abortion and just accepted that yes, it's over. An ill-advised attempt to curry favor with evangelicals has ended RDS' national ambitions. Sorry.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (DTm0P)

275 267 Oh, that reminds me.

The Senate has introduced a bill mandating digital identities for all Americans.
Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:58 PM

All while we're arguing over "Taste Great ! Less Filling !"... Also known as the Trump /DeSantis wars

Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (bs+z0)

276 Rumor is Biden is planning on announcing his re-election campaign next week. Then this week a bunch of anti-Biden material drops. I think the Deep Staters are looking for a new useful idiot. Better looking, no Depends, just as vacuous. Gavin "Getty" Newsom.

Posted by: Candidus at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (V1yiu)

277 263 Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:57 PM (oqoj

That is not how sales work true, but this ain't sales it is a political coalition. I still have never had either a never trumper nor an only trumper explain to me why either only attackers of Trump can never face reciprocity" or only Trump can do the same outward." Frankly if the OTs can't be whipped to vote when the Orange "god" is not on the ballot I do not care anymore and neither should they.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:03 PM (Lzpvj)

278 It's almost like the whole thing is hopeless unless or until suburban women have homeless pooping at their doorsteps day and night, and rapes in the suburbs increase by 50% at least. I just don't see any other way to get through their thick skulls that the Dems and the left are their enemies.

I still read Althouse from time to time because there are so many good comments in there. But if I ever had any hope that the host would come to her senses....She symbolizes for me the lunacy that infects the brain of many suburban American women. They live in a safe cocoon created by western males and culture yet they stab their men in the back while lauding an enemy who is in the process of slitting their throats.

They either do not know history or choose to ignore it 'feeling' that it cannot happen to them.

Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 06:04 PM (MwrPl)

279 Trump 275 Gainzzz 128

About the same as the polls.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at April 21, 2023 06:04 PM (W8S/J)

280 What % of 74+ million votes is Ron going to get?

If less, how will he depress DEM turnout below whatever total he gets?

What is Ron's electoral coalition?

I am DJT all the way because his good things are significant and core to me. For Pol and Econ.

I am far right socially. Far right. But the country is not far right socially. I do not intellectually understand how their positions are possible. But I accept it.

DJT is in sync with the US. Almost totally in sync. And his social positions disgust me. They make my skin crawl. I actually think they are destructive and result in evil.

But he's still an objectively good option. He's not a lesser of two evils. He's good for the country.

I honestly don't see how Ron can win. I just don't. And, Trump will win. He will get more votes than any candidate ever.
Though They might steal it. But Ron will lose for sure.

And if the pitch is he cut a deal with the GOP to stop conspiring with the DEMs on the presidential election, that is an absolute non-starter. Total non-starter.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:05 PM (piiLl)

281 274 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (DTm0P)

Right, I KNOW let's pass by the honest to God campus position that mothers can kill their kids to 24 months and just make it so that women can kill ANYONE to 92 years old.

Conserving conservatism by communism or somesuch.

If I want democrat lite let me elect democrat solid.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:05 PM (Lzpvj)

282 Kiss his ass and you're in. Lol, even Newsom pulled that one off recently.

I know, does this not bother anyone? How easy it is to snooker trump, just by flattering him?

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:29 PM (iHBZ


I mean come on, he's practically swapping spit with Kim Jong-Un, a murderous dictator, because "he said nice things about me."
Posted by: duke at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM (uyAU7)
*******
Imagine all the FBI agents kissing his ass so they can infiltrate his campaign, gain his trust with flattery, get hired and put in top positions, if by some miracle he should win, then stab him in the back and destroy his 2nd term.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 21, 2023 06:05 PM (NpAcC)

283 278 Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 06:04 PM (MwrPl)

Annie Outhouse is a very well paid woman of the night.

No way in hell would she ever jeopardize that paycheck.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:06 PM (Lzpvj)

284 Trump could also be readying the general electorate for a new, more liberal Trump. He's way up in the primary polling, so get in some free shots at DeSantis for contrast to the 'crazy' R base, retain just enough support to win the primaries and be an acceptable alternative to Gimp Biden to a larger part of the general. I don't like it, but it could work, I suppose.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 06:07 PM (fs1hN)

285 i don't know the dems' read on him. I assume he went to Florida to show he could "fight in enemy territory," which all the lefties love.
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (iHBZj)

I was under the impression conservatives love the same thing, which is why RDS was doing a He Fights tour (which also serves as a fundraising tour). But don't mind any of that. Newsom isn't particularly repulsive to the base, but neither is he the white knight they hoped for.

Michelle Obama MIGHT be able to drum up a frenzy to get the Bidens out of office, but for what? Cleaning up Joe's shitty diapers? She'd rather cut off her cock. I'm sure the oligarchs would love to pressure her into a run, but the Obamas remain a totem to unite the Democrats. Barack, for all his faults, knows that and won't be pressured back into "public service." Besides, he likes the grift. Job well done, he thinks.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:07 PM (DTm0P)

286 An ill-advised attempt to curry favor with evangelicals has ended RDS' national ambitions. Sorry.
Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (DTm0P)
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LOL wut?

Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:07 PM (oXNqT)

287
and the vacancies are gonna cause defaults

ergo BOOM
Posted by: REDACTED


"Working from home"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2023 06:08 PM (63Dwl)

288 I was very close to Ekdahl, Niedermayer, and Tm3md- still miss them, but not Gabe at all. Had lots of Twitter fun with them, (and got a few Instalanche retreats back in the day), but gave it all up for obvious reasons. Not sure I agree the blog isn't poorer without them.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 21, 2023 06:08 PM (iOTWL)

289 Trump could also be readying the general electorate for a new, more liberal Trump.

If that's what he's trying to do, then he and his team have juped the shark. If he has any chance at all, it's with those who are already on his side. There is almost no one in this country who has not made up their minds about Trump. So his only hope is to scrape up enough of the undecided retards to narrowly beat the margin of fraud like he did in 2016. There's no path to victory for "new, more liberal Trump." Liberals despise him.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 21, 2023 06:10 PM (ppBhU)

290 288 Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 21, 2023 06:08 PM (iOTWL)

Losing Mabriel was like passing a 200 pound bezoar.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:10 PM (Lzpvj)

291 Trump's going to do and say what it takes to win. I mean, duh.

When he starts insulting the base I'll really be done with him but for now I'm just sick of everything.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:10 PM (BXxcV)

292 I think Ace read my comment about DeSantis signing a six-week abortion and just accepted that yes, it's over. An ill-advised attempt to curry favor with evangelicals has ended RDS' national ambitions. Sorry.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (DTm0P)

100%

Look, I'm weakly side with the pro-life cause but still have sympathy for women that want to end unplanned pregnancies. I'd thought we could settle on the European standard of 15 week bans... but 6?! That's not even measured in months. Just 1.5 months or you have to travel to another state.

Anyways, there's no fucking-way Governor "1-plus month abortion ban" is going to go anywhere in the general. And probably in the primaries too, especially anywhere outside the Bible Belt. He's fucked.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 21, 2023 06:10 PM (gzz0o)

293 Stop worrying about suburban women who will never change because women can’t accept they’re ever wrong about something, focus instead on getting as many gen z men to the polls, because they’re actually rebounding hard against the covid shit they went through, saw how good their lives were under Trump and how it sucks now, and how society hates them for being straight men who like pretty ladies.

The left might have fatty uggos punching each others stomachs to abort kids for moloch, we have guys who just want to be Zack Morris. And they can get it with Trump, because he has shown it is attainable.

Stop being analpundits here, go sign up for town hall plus or whatever if you want to doompost.

Posted by: TransitionTranny at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (XL4ve)

294 Frankly if the OTs can't be whipped to vote when the Orange "god" is not on the ballot I do not care anymore and neither should they.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:03 PM (Lzpvj)

Idk if I am OT. Maybe, depends. I am for sure if OT means demolition of the GOP establishment. Because that is what DJT is after.

Anyone who can get me +74 mil votes and is after the GOP m'fers like DJT and is a better person and more socially rightist is my guy. Happily. Bye bye Don and your sodomites. See yah.

I see no person like that. In that sense, I am OT.

I also hope some candidate goes after DJTs faults hard. Because DJT would do the same. And because DJT will level them in a hilariously brutal manner.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (piiLl)

295 I like Trump a lot; but he did put up with that Fauci bastage. And he didn't just fire the whole FBI and start over like he should have done.

And his family are as liberal as McAmnesty, Mittens, and the Bush clan.

Posted by: setnaffa at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (rZVTl)

296 Newsom isn't particularly repulsive to the base, but neither is he the white knight they hoped for.

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The Democrat base is comprised of a swirling mass of screeching fucking retards.

They voted for a shriveled old husk of a dumbass racist piece of shit who didn't leave his basement in a campaign. They vote for Fetterman. They vote for Feinstein.

They would vote for a cartoonishly-sized animatronic figure of my dick as long as I put a (D) after its name.

This isn't making any kind of point. NOTHING that is a putative Democrat is repulsive to the base.

Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (oXNqT)

297
(sigh) Comatose Joey is declared Preznit in 24, Witmer replaces Kamala on the ticket and is sworn in in 25.

All the Republican stuff is theater, the votes have been arranged for, the country will be effectively broke and lawless, but we will celebrate our new international order dutifully.

Posted by: Auspex at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (j4U/Z)

298 I'm not sure why Trump is even on the offensive against DeSantis... he has not announced he is even running.

MAGA pac is running anti DeSantis ads on Fox news every evening... not running ads against the Dems... which is troubling to me.

Add in that I do have a problem with Trump's age, AND the total lack of awareness or saying a Mea Culpa about the Vaccines???

I'm not sure where I am at now.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 21, 2023 06:12 PM (oHd/0)

299 I think Ace read my comment about DeSantis signing a six-week abortion and just accepted that yes, it's over. An ill-advised attempt to curry favor with evangelicals has ended RDS' national ambitions. Sorry.
Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:02 PM (DTm0P)

If you can't see how Correct that was, then you should just kiss Joe Biden's ass right now and tell us how much you like that taste.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 06:12 PM (trdmm)

300 If I want democrat lite let me elect democrat solid.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:05 PM (Lzpvj)

You're raving. Look, I didn't make Ron DeSantis sign a six-week abortion ban. That was his idea. Trump will make him defend it, and that'll be the end of the RDS campaign. There doesn't have to be a triangulation back to liberal, just "these guys are going too far."

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:12 PM (DTm0P)

301 294 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (piiLl)

Enjoy the 54 year democrat run until the actual communists who make Pol Pot look soft "win"

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:13 PM (Lzpvj)

302 So his only hope is to scrape up enough of the undecided retards to narrowly beat the margin of fraud like he did in 2016.
___

We're saying the same thing, but you said it better. This line of attack on DeSantis is aimed at the undecided retards who like this crap for some reason.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 06:13 PM (fs1hN)

303 Honest Ace is best Ace.

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 21, 2023 06:13 PM (NZrf3)

304 That is not how sales work true, but this ain't sales it is a political coalition. I still have never had either a never trumper nor an only trumper explain to me why either only attackers of Trump can never face reciprocity" or only Trump can do the same outward." Frankly if the OTs can't be whipped to vote when the Orange "god" is not on the ballot I do not care anymore and neither should they.
Posted by: sven
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Sorry sven, from what you have posted, I have gathered that you have never actually done precinct knocking on doors, sitting and manning political booths at difference festivals, and dealing with them in offices as a staffer. I have done that and more including cold calls. I did sales for awhile because I literally could not get a job post Gulf War I after mustering out but still being in reserves. So I took a sales job. But, you don't 'build' a coalition--you got to work for it voter by voter to persuade them your guy is the one. This is despite the fact that even then, politicians are widely despise and every Tom Dick and Harry has a magic plan that if only the politician would see, the magic plan would fix the problem with no downsides whatsoever.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (oqoj8)

305 295 I like Trump a lot; but he did put up with that Fauci bastage. And he didn't just fire the whole FBI and start over like he should have done.

And his family are as liberal as McAmnesty, Mittens, and the Bush clan.
Posted by: setnaffa at April 21, 2023 06:11 PM (rZVTl)

He allowed himself to be rolled on his Attorney General picks... and his VP... he had traitors inside the wire.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (oHd/0)

306 I'm not gonna criticize anyone for being too pro life unless I think they're faking it to denigrate pro life people.

I can't even imagine too pro life with what we're facing right now.

We have fucking ditches in our future.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (BXxcV)

307 300 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:12 PM (DTm0P)

I am not raving, I am certain Trump is now Tranny curious because "Meatball Ron" something.

Actually you convinced me, I fucked up in 16 I will not fuck up in 24.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (Lzpvj)

308 Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM (/iWhV)

Well stated.

Posted by: AK at work at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (o+IHV)

309 >>>Trump doesn't care about "the base". Trump cares about winning. And it used to be that when he won, we won too.
Do you want a fighter, or a "conservative"?

Um, well, Biden was a "fighter" too who didn't care about the conservative base. So yeah, I want someone who will win, but who actually cares about what I want done in politics, not someone who will just do liberal shit because it will help him "win"

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (iHBZj)

310 If you can't see how Correct that was, then you should just kiss Joe Biden's ass right now and tell us how much you like that taste.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 06:12 PM (trdmm)

Ahh, delicious tears. Do me a solid, write RDS and tell him what a great idea this is. Insist he make it a core policy. He might not even make Iowa.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:15 PM (DTm0P)

311 He allowed himself to be rolled on his Attorney General picks... and his VP... he had traitors inside the wire.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (oHd/0)

To be fair you couldn't even say bad shit about Barr HERE for a really really really REALLY long time. I know because I did and ate shit for it.

Because Barr drank his water funny and pwned the libs. Anyone wants to have a Trump over being an easy sale needs to look at our entire fucking side.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (BXxcV)

312 304 Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:14 PM (oqoj

Right, I have never done any of that....

\Theodoplous there just explained to me that my support of Trump in 16 and 20 was predicated on the goal the party I dedicated my life to at 8 12 and 16 years needed left no stone atop the other.

I am done if Donald Trump is the nominee I am voting for the democrat given the goal is the destruction of the GOP anyway.

Not one stone atop the other dear boy.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (Lzpvj)

313 pro-abortion, pro--tranny, pro-grooming, it's all the same thing, and the people are all the same people.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (trdmm)

314 Enjoy the 54 year democrat run until the actual communists who make Pol Pot look soft "win"
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:13 PM (Lzpvj)

Disagree. DJTs Civ Nat position would be an absolute improvement over statud quo. And render Pol Pot impossible.

It makes my fists clench but I could live in such a country.

He is honest about this. If he gets in, he will try and jail the bastards.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (piiLl)

315 "have Trump" not "have a Trump"

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (BXxcV)

316 I honestly don't see how Ron can win. I just don't. And, Trump will win. He will get more votes than any candidate ever.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:05 PM (piiLl)

Trump popular vote percentage:
2016 - 46.1%
2020 - 46.8%

Never ever cracked 50% approval during his presidency, and as you can see here, does not have the full support of his base, which wasn't the case in 2020.

But somehow, Trump will earn more votes than anyone ever, as he is more popular than ever, which is demonstrated by the South Park Underpants Profit Formula.

Posted by: Richard Kiel's Metal Teeth at April 21, 2023 06:17 PM (RG7Wy)

317 Do you remember what it was like before Trump? After years of being un and underemployed and being told that "Those jobs aren't coming back", I was mildly thinking of cashing out.

Then Trump got elected. Within a couple months I was making seriously good money again and I was constantly barraged with job offers.

Everyone was happy. Everyone was working. Until some assholes shut everything down, including Trump. Defeating Covid was more important than anything including our freedom.

Now the darkness is slipping back and a darker future looms.

I remember what it was like after these clowns had us under their thumb for so many years, Just two years in and everything is falling apart.

Posted by: pawn at April 21, 2023 06:17 PM (wsHtO)

318 284 Trump could also be readying the general electorate for a new, more liberal Trump. He's way up in the primary polling, so get in some free shots at DeSantis for contrast to the 'crazy' R base, retain just enough support to win the primaries and be an acceptable alternative to Gimp Biden to a larger part of the general. I don't like it, but it could work, I suppose.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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That is traditional downsian economics approach to politics. Nixon did not have to move much to the right in 1972 (different electorate then) but because McGovern was forced to move so far left as to scare the shit out of voters.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:18 PM (oqoj8)

319 I suspect the Dems are royally pissed off that Kennedy has thrown his hat in the ring. That's is gonna drain some votes.

Posted by: mpfs , In a permanent state of confusion at April 21, 2023 06:18 PM (vJMBm)

320 Truth!

Posted by: Shelgel at April 21, 2023 06:18 PM (qds46)

321 To be fair you couldn't even say bad shit about Barr HERE for a really really really REALLY long time. I know because I did and ate shit for it.

Because Barr drank his water funny and pwned the libs. Anyone wants to have a Trump over being an easy sale needs to look at our entire fucking side.
Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (BXxcV)

Some of us knew Barr was an inside the beltway guy before he ever was AG. When he didn't immediately reign in the Russia Russia Russia shit when he got into that office, we knew the fix was in, because there was already plenty of evidence in the public domain, that it was a Hoax from the outset.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 21, 2023 06:19 PM (oHd/0)

322
Look, I'm weakly side with the pro-life cause but still have sympathy for women that want to end unplanned pregnancies. I'd thought we could settle on the European standard of 15 week bans... but 6?! That's not even measured in months. Just 1.5 months or you have to travel to another state.

--

(looks at 10th Amendment)

Well I'll be.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:19 PM (NdB+W)

323 Look, Conservative Incorporated sold "conservatives" that the "conservative" platform was a national platform. It isn't. It pribably never was. It was an artefact of GOP and DEMs conspiring in elections to divide up the country.


Neither party puts forward a valid national platform.

Conservatives see that in the DEM platform but refuse to see it in theirs.

There are as many conservative voters as there are neolib voters. Almost none. Maybe 20% total combined.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:20 PM (piiLl)

324 I honestly don't see how Ron can win. I just don't. And, Trump will win. He will get more votes than any candidate ever.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:05 PM (piiLl)

Wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:20 PM (DTm0P)

325 314 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:16 PM (piiLl)

BWAHAHA he is sucking off their corporate enablers and he allowed Fauci to make Covid in China.

Look man neat place you live, I am certain Trump will jail the people running him through the ringer right now any second now....any second.

He left them in power in 2017-2021 to lull them into complacency.

Thanks to you, and trev006 it is like this, I fucked up I am now never trump I retract my pledge to vote for him if needed in 2024.

Have fun.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:20 PM (Lzpvj)

326 Now the darkness is slipping back and a darker future looms.

I remember what it was like after these clowns had us under their thumb for so many years, Just two years in and everything is falling apart.

Posted by: pawn

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Yep. It's just accepted again. I suspect even among the majority here.

Norms restored.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:21 PM (NdB+W)

327 My attempt to put logic to Trump's attacks is just a guess. If I'm right, my opinion is that it won't work. Not sure what will work. The first Trump speech I heard from Trump was on the economy, he was outstanding. That's when I decided I could vote for him. Biden is giving any opponent a huge opportunity on the economy. I would love it if Trump hammered Biden mercilessly, daily, on this. I think he could inspire the working class to come out massively for him.

But what do I know. I'm out.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 06:21 PM (fs1hN)

328 That is traditional downsian economics approach to politics. Nixon did not have to move much to the right in 1972 (different electorate then) but because McGovern was forced to move so far left as to scare the shit out of voters.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:18 PM (oqoj

DJT is Nixon in re electoral coalition. It is the same. And it is equally dominant. A large reason why Nixon was removed.

Nixon was a great man. I wish we had another like him. An actual statesman.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:22 PM (piiLl)

329 327 Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 21, 2023 06:21 PM (fs1hN)

Trump attack Biden once yet with the same passion he shows on Meatball Ron?

Nope I am cured, I fucked up I empowered a nut and he is now doing nutty things.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:23 PM (Lzpvj)

330 Um, well, Biden was a "fighter" too who didn't care about the conservative base. So yeah, I want someone who will win, but who actually cares about what I want done in politics, not someone who will just do liberal shit because it will help him "win"
Posted by: ace
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Look, you are a partisan for DeSantis and you will get shit from it. Some of us are not all in on DeSantis and unlikely to be until the primaries start when shit starts getting serious. That is because DeSantis could suddenly fly off to Argentina with a mistress, Trump could be behind bars, and Abbott becomes the nominee or Youngkin.

Far too early in the process to get worked up over it.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:23 PM (oqoj8)

331 Trump attack Biden once yet with the same passion he shows on Meatball Ron?

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:23 PM (Lzpvj)

He tried to have him investigated over Ukraine.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (BXxcV)

332 328 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:22 PM (piiLl)

Nixon was the New Deal's guardian and began the path to Chinese empowerment to hear some here tell it.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (Lzpvj)

333 Trump cannot get any more votes than he has in the past two elections.

No amount of moving to the center to court suburban white women will get more of them to vote for him in a statistically significant way that would put him over the top. Not in 2016, not in 2020, and not in 2024.

If you think otherwise you're fucking delusional.

Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (oXNqT)

334 Thanks to you, and trev006 it is like this, I fucked up I am now never trump I retract my pledge to vote for him if needed in 2024.

Have fun.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:20 PM (Lzpvj)

"But Trump's such a whiny teenage girl!!!"

byeeeeeee

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:25 PM (DTm0P)

335 > Just 1.5 months or you have to travel to another state.

Federalism: how does it work?

If you want to murder babies with impunity, you should move to a state that allows that.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 21, 2023 06:25 PM (bW8dp)

336 Some of us knew Barr was an inside the beltway guy before he ever was AG. When he didn't immediately reign in the Russia Russia Russia shit when he got into that office, we knew the fix was in, because there was already plenty of evidence in the public domain, that it was a Hoax from the outset.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 21, 2023 06:19 PM (oHd/0)

Yes I remember you were reliable on Barr, thank you for the minder

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:26 PM (BXxcV)

337 331 Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (BXxcV)

Well he is going to jail I guess what 55% to 95% of DOJ-if Trump is "going to arrest them all" how did the Biden Ukraine stuff not come up?

Further, now that I think on it... how bothered is "The greatest Manager in human history" by the Ukraine these days, or hell how bothered is he by China?

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:26 PM (Lzpvj)

338 Thanks to you, and trev006 it is like this, I fucked up I am now never trump I retract my pledge to vote for him if needed in 2024.

Have fun.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:20 PM (Lzpvj)

Ok. DJT is gonna get more votes than last time. And the GOP is gonna get destroyed and rebuilt. The econ will ve good, the For Pol will be good. And the battle against the sodomites continues.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:26 PM (piiLl)

339 334 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:25 PM (DTm0P)

No roads always go two ways even if the signs say otherwise.

The OTs win, they can have Trump, no compromise with the actual real GOP base let's empower the left to beat the left no Mercy.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:27 PM (Lzpvj)

340 Nixon was the New Deal's guardian and began the path to Chinese empowerment to hear some here tell it.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (Lzpvj)

Yeah, well ppl say a lot of things.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:28 PM (piiLl)

341 333 Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (oXNqT)

Trump got more votes than anyone ever, well except you know Biden who cheated but they could not prove it but don't worry THIS election will be totes fair you guys.

Fuck this, I am done.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:29 PM (Lzpvj)

342 Me and Ed Morrissey still touch each other's dicks when we write attack pieces on populists that get linked.
Just sayin'.

Glad he's back in good graces, though.

Posted by: Allahpundit at April 21, 2023 06:29 PM (bL3hP)

343 Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:26 PM (Lzpvj)

I don't know, I'm more done with politics at the moment than I am with Trump. But it's getting close.

I was just saying I'm not afraid that Trump is worried about being mean to Democrats. He is one of like two political figures to to seriously attack Obama in the last 15 years. Has DePlantis weighed in on Obama?

I don't hate DeSantis by the way I just don't trust him.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:29 PM (BXxcV)

344 You Desantis people are so full of it. Saying Trump would rather have Biden win than Desantis is such bull****. Trump calling the Desantis-Disney issue a stunt, and that he thought Disney was winning, is not the same as supporting Disney. This stunt will probably backfire on RDS. Ace of Spades fake news.

Posted by: Eskimo at April 21, 2023 06:30 PM (L498I)

345 333 Trump cannot get any more votes than he has in the past two elections.

No amount of moving to the center to court suburban white women will get more of them to vote for him in a statistically significant way that would put him over the top. Not in 2016, not in 2020, and not in 2024.

If you think otherwise you're fucking delusional.
Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (oXNqT)

Obv I think I am right. But let's stipulate that he can't. And only gets same same.

What % is Ron going to get? Via what coalition? How is he going to depress DEM turnout?

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:30 PM (piiLl)

346 Trump cannot get any more votes than he has in the past two elections.

If you think otherwise you're fucking delusional.
Posted by: ballistic at April 21, 2023 06:24 PM (oXNqT)

Officially, Donald Trump gained 11 million more votes than his winning 2016 result. Unofficially, he gained a lot more and it took an overt 2 AM fraud to steal the election. You could see black men vote for Biden for a variety of reasons: now, a collapsing economy is going to pull a lot of voters back to Trump.

They will still steal it, but at the cost of destroying everything else they're trying to do. They can't even indict Donald Trump plausibly, in a system designed to indict ham sandwiches.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:31 PM (DTm0P)

347 DJT gave us Ronna McDaniel. That's reason enough

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at April 21, 2023 06:31 PM (/MNvO)

348 Trump was the Chaos candidate in 2016 and it was actually crazy enough to work. A lot of people saw the inside view and were shocked how bad things really are. Too bad he didn't get back in, but Biden is showing even more people how bad things really are in ways Trump could never have. I don't have the same enthusiasm as I did before about 2024. In some ways perhaps De Santis would make a better President?

Posted by: Greybeard Represent at April 21, 2023 06:32 PM (jgRaQ)

349 DJT is Nixon in re electoral coalition. It is the same. And it is equally dominant. A large reason why Nixon was removed.

Nixon was a great man. I wish we had another like him. An actual statesman.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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I can see that.

Nixon spurred a tremendous reaction by the Dems and PTB that thought he won unfairly in 1968 and they promptly started in on destroying him and like Trump, Nixon's own underlings were largely responsible for him having to resign to fix what they did. Like Trump, Nixon was cheated out of an election in 1960.

On DeSantis, I dunno, he is a very smart and very disciplined politician but I see him more in the traditional GOP mold and I am not sure that the Rovian formula of wedge issues like transexuals and now no abortion after six weeks are winning national agenda items. Scott Walker was destroyed by his own advisors when he tried to go national because his donors demanded open borders.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:32 PM (oqoj8)

350 The base of the GOP isn't "conservative".

That is a GOP establishment fiction.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:33 PM (piiLl)

351 The cheat has been repeatedly proven. IIRC just six or so month ago it was shown that Atlanta had 17K votes that didn't have a paper trail (I think Biden "won" by 15K).

No one will overturn a presidential election. It looks like there is no system in place to accomplish that because no one ever expected that. If you cheat and draw it out until late January, you win.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:33 PM (NdB+W)

352 BTW that puts DePlantis ahead of just about every other Republican in my book, who I don't trust, AND hate.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:34 PM (BXxcV)

353 On DeSantis, I dunno, he is a very smart and very disciplined politician but I see him more in the traditional GOP mold and I am not sure that the Rovian formula of wedge issues like transexuals and now no abortion after six weeks are winning national agenda items.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:32 PM (oqoj

They're important to the GOP base, and DeSantis would have been fine with a 16 week ban. But then Rove/ Cooch saw DeSantis losing to Trump AND Pence with evangelicals and demanded he do even more.

Really, if you allow incompetent Bushbots to run your campaign, how smart can you be?

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:35 PM (DTm0P)

354 I'm not sure why Trump is even on the offensive against DeSantis... he has not announced he is even running.


Posted by: Romeo13 at April 21, 2023 06:12 PM (oHd/0)

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I can answer that, DeSantis is violating FEC rules by not announcing he is running yet doing all the building a campaign stuff.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 21, 2023 06:35 PM (ruW19)

355 A six-week ban on abortion with exceptions for rape/incest vs
no restrictions on abortion through/after birth?

No one who votes for Biden over DeSantis in this scenario would vote for Donald "The guy responsible for Roe's repeal" Trump over Biden.

Posted by: THAC0S_Bill at April 21, 2023 06:35 PM (sjxcQ)

356 And I say that as one who views the SCOTUS picks and Roe's subsequent downfall as Trump's crowning achievement.

Posted by: THAC0S_Bill at April 21, 2023 06:36 PM (sjxcQ)

357 On DeSantis, I dunno, he is a very smart and very disciplined politician but I see him more in the traditional GOP mold and I am not sure that the Rovian formula of wedge issues like transexuals and now no abortion after six weeks are winning national agenda items. Scott Walker was destroyed by his own advisors when he tried to go national because his donors demanded open borders.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:32 PM (oqoj

Precisely. This is DJTs approach. And why he got +74 million votes. Wedge issues are BS and part of the fig leaves the GOP abd DEMs use to hide their colluding.

Nixon won in a DJT level landslide. And was set to totally realign DC politics away from GOP establishment. His electoral coalition (DJT's) was unstoppable.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:36 PM (piiLl)

358 Sven, you said: I still have never had either a never trumper nor an only trumper explain to me why either only attackers of Trump can never face reciprocity".

This is just rhetoric. Who said this? No one, it's just a strawman.

I used to be 100% sympatico with you on almost everything. You used to approach most things with great cynicism and lot of humor. I don't recognize this new you. This isn't a diss, but you seem different.

Posted by: jeannebodine at April 21, 2023 06:36 PM (ddFzi)

359 Trump's the worst of both worlds - a loser who gets his fucking teeth kicked in in literally every fight, and a liberal RINO who kowtows to the establishment.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:37 PM (xKGxx)

360 I don't know, I'm more done with politics at the moment than I am with Trump. But it's getting close.

I was just saying I'm not afraid that Trump is worried about being mean to Democrats. He is one of like two political figures to to seriously attack Obama in the last 15 years. Has DePlantis weighed in on Obama?

I don't hate DeSantis by the way I just don't trust him.
Posted by: ...
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I thoroughly understand. Full admission, I was a political junkie until Trump. The assholishness I saw then from the GOP Bushoids and all around GOPe assholes made me nauseous and after that I only viewed the national races for the lulz and the Democrats were worse supporting an outright criminal and sour old drunk Hillary (btw, I knew of here at teh state level and Lady MacBeth comes off as a saint compared with her).

I really don't care much about whether Trump or DeSantis (really even some other GOP type) other than preventing us from getting into a foreign war with a nuclear power and not taking away all our gun rights. Beyond that, I don't care.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:38 PM (oqoj8)

361 I ok with legit Trump criticism.
Also would be real ok with a Trump/DeSantis ticket.
Would be more ok with uniparty election fraud and rigging ended and the guilty jailed.

Posted by: democrats, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Cannot Kill, Since 1973 at April 21, 2023 06:39 PM (0q+t6)

362 Trump's the worst of both worlds - a loser who gets his fucking teeth kicked in in literally every fight, and a liberal RINO who kowtows to the establishment.

Posted by: Theo

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It *was* pretty great to see someone with an (R) next to their name fight for a change. Shame about the entirety of the government and media part.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:40 PM (NdB+W)

363 Never ever cracked 50% approval during his presidency, and as you can see here, does not have the full support of his base, which wasn't the case in 2020.

But somehow, Trump will earn more votes than anyone ever, as he is more popular than ever, which is demonstrated by the South Park Underpants Profit Formula.

Posted by: Richard Kiel's Metal Teeth at April 21, 2023 06:17 PM (RG7Wy)


Pollster Richard Baris believes Trump could get as high as 90 million votes. He's seeing a whole lot of new Trump support in his polling.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 21, 2023 06:40 PM (gzz0o)

364 Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:38 PM (oqoj

I was CONVINCED Hillary was following Obama and after her 8 years Kamala.

Until late 2015 when I realized we actually had a chance with Trump and Trump only. He clearly wanted to win and for whatever reason decided to be OUR voice. A voice that had been silenced while we were being tortured daily and watching our society and country crumble while the enemy laughed. Sort of like where we are now.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:41 PM (BXxcV)

365 I really don't care much about whether Trump or DeSantis (really even some other GOP type) other than preventing us from getting into a foreign war with a nuclear power and not taking away all our gun rights. Beyond that, I don't care.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:38 PM (oqoj

If you think Ron is going to keep us out of foreign wars.... whew....

He'll prob let you keep your guns but GOP will keep slow walking gun control.

I know this infuriates ppl, but Ron is a Bushie.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:41 PM (piiLl)

366 Pollster Richard Baris believes Trump could get as high as 90 million votes. He's seeing a whole lot of new Trump support in his polling.

Posted by: Serious Cat

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I suspect he was the one who got the 81M in 2020 and that's why Biden and the (D)s constantly crow about the number.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:41 PM (NdB+W)

367 I 'm late I know but I completely agree with everything that Ace has said. I want to vote for DeSantis. I am tired of the octogenarians running government. I want someone who knows how to get things done and doesn't have to learn the process. This is why you have a primary. DeSantis doing everything right. Trump is going to peak too soon. He is going to have to continue to defend himself in court. It may be unfair but when he had the ability to fight back, when he was in office, he wimped out and let them railroad him and he is responsible for his bad choices of personnel.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 06:41 PM (Y+l9t)

368 It *was* pretty great to see someone with an (R) next to their name fight for a change. Shame about the entirety of the government and media part.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:40 PM (NdB+W)

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Trump didn't fight for change or anything else. He wasn't stopped by some determined deep state; he was just lazy and incompetent. If you're going to say, "He WANTED to do good, but his own picks sabotaged him", you're saying he sucks at the one job he was given.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (xKGxx)

369 There is no way Trump loses the primary. No way. You anti-Trumpers ae going to have to root for the Georgia DA and the special counsel. It's your only hope.

Posted by: Eskimo at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (L498I)

370 They're important to the GOP base, and DeSantis would have been fine with a 16 week ban. But then Rove/ Cooch saw DeSantis losing to Trump AND Pence with evangelicals and demanded he do even more.

Really, if you allow incompetent Bushbots to run your campaign, how smart can you be?
Posted by: trev006
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From all the economic storm winds gathering, I think that the economy will be the major issue--not so much trans or abortion--even in the GOP coalition. Essentially, the central banks just don't have the juice that they did in 2008 to repeat their concerted actions and I am afraid we might be looking at a Great Depression level event.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (oqoj8)

371 But somehow, Trump will earn more votes than anyone ever, as he is more popular than ever, which is demonstrated by the South Park Underpants Profit Formula.

Posted by: Richard Kiel's Metal Teeth at April 21, 2023 06:17 PM (RG7Wy)

+74million votes in re-election.

And "conservatives" are not the base of the GOP. Not in votes or donor money. It's a fiction.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (piiLl)

372 I can answer that, DeSantis is violating FEC rules by not announcing he is running yet doing all the building a campaign stuff.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 21, 2023 06:35 PM (ruW19)

It's pretty standard stuff in the late-stage Republic. Problem is, Trump anticipated this, and is driving up DeSantis' negatives before the governor is ready to roll out his Severe Conservative campaign.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:43 PM (DTm0P)

373 There is no way Trump loses the primary. No way. You anti-Trumpers ae going to have to root for the Georgia DA and the special counsel. It's your only hope.

Posted by: Eskimo at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (L498I)

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There is no way Trump wins the general, so there's that.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:44 PM (xKGxx)

374 I suspect he was the one who got the 81M in 2020 and that's why Biden and the (D)s constantly crow about the number.
Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:41 PM (NdB+W)

Yeah. I agree.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:44 PM (piiLl)

375 Essentially, the central banks just don't have the juice that they did in 2008 to repeat their concerted actions and I am afraid we might be looking at a Great Depression level event.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (oqoj

It will be much worse. At worst nuclear war might destroy more than one American city. Be ready for what happens later- or not, as you like it.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:44 PM (DTm0P)

376 Supreme Court to allow mifepristone "the abortion pill" to remain available.

Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra and Jade, too. at April 21, 2023 06:44 PM (GshMh)

377 Trump didn't fight for change or anything else. He wasn't stopped by some determined deep state; he was just lazy and incompetent. If you're going to say, "He WANTED to do good, but his own picks sabotaged him", you're saying he sucks at the one job he was given.

Posted by: Theo

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Oh, absolutely. He walked into a place with the assumption that he was surrounded by and working for people who loved America and Americans. I can't fault him for that because I, similar to most everyone here, was under that flawed assumption myself up until 2020.

Say, anyone else old enough to remember when the Republicans - with a majority in the House and Senate - spent their time investigating Trump instead of working with him, even though they had sufficient clearances to know the RUSSIA!!! stuff was BS from the start of their investigation?

We got tax cuts that will expire, though.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:45 PM (NdB+W)

378 From all the economic storm winds gathering, I think that the economy will be the major issue--not so much trans or abortion--even in the GOP coalition. Essentially, the central banks just don't have the juice that they did in 2008 to repeat their concerted actions and I am afraid we might be looking at a Great Depression level event.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (oqoj

Right. DJT is the right man for the time.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:45 PM (piiLl)

379 *The shtick that got him into the white house back then is not playing well enough to do it again... which is too bad because we could use him there again!*

If Don thinks that his 2016 shtick is going to those of us who voted for him in 2020 because the alternative was the drooling liberal sock puppet currently in the Oval Office, he's barking up the wrong tree. He's essentially carrying Biden's water for him right now, and acting butthurt that anyone else in the GOP would dare to challenge his divine right to be the nominee.

For the good that he did while in office, he showed a stunning lack of political acumen as to appointments, and in controlling a GOP Congress when he had both houses. His overweening ego will be the dick that he repeatedly steps on...

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 21, 2023 06:46 PM (uY1j2)

380 Oh, absolutely. He walked into a place with the assumption that he was surrounded by and working for people who loved America and Americans. I can't fault him for that because I, similar to most everyone here, was under that flawed assumption myself up until 2020.

Say, anyone else old enough to remember when the Republicans - with a majority in the House and Senate - spent their time investigating Trump instead of working with him, even though they had sufficient clearances to know the RUSSIA!!! stuff was BS from the start of their investigation?

We got tax cuts that will expire, though.
Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:45 PM (NdB+W)

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So you're saying that Trump is a weak loser outwitted by people smarter and tougher than him. What a ringing endorsement for Trump 2024.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:46 PM (xKGxx)

381 If you think Ron is going to keep us out of foreign wars.... whew....

He'll prob let you keep your guns but GOP will keep slow walking gun control.

I know this infuriates ppl, but Ron is a Bushie.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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Trump wasn't that great on guns either so I figure a wash between those two (and don't gimme the Florida carry and the Fla red flag law--it was stalled in DeSantis's first term because the NRA lobbyist/old biddy crony of crooked Wayne LaPierre blocked it.

Dunno on foreign wars--Trump has the peace record in office among all the candidates--DeSantis waffled on Ukraine so far but has had no real opportunity to show chops on foreign and military affairs.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:46 PM (oqoj8)

382 Out of Trump's 1st term we had...

Prosperity
Peace
A way to end illegal immigration (Remain in Mexico)
Repeal of Row vs Wade
An end to gun control in America (Bruen decision)

And some of you are are complaining he's a just big liberal? If sending a New York Lib to the White House gets us all that, I say sign me up for more!



Posted by: Serious Cat at April 21, 2023 06:47 PM (gzz0o)

383 So you're saying that Trump is a weak loser outwitted by people smarter and tougher than him. What a ringing endorsement for Trump 2024.

Posted by: Theo

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I'm saying that Congress is a co-equal branch and that people employed in high-level government positions and recommended for high-level government positions are often assumed to be on the side of America and Americans.

I thought I was clear. Sorry if I'd written it in a way that you'd misunderstood.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:48 PM (NdB+W)

384 Dunno on foreign wars--Trump has the peace record in office among all the candidates--DeSantis waffled on Ukraine so far but has had no real opportunity to show chops on foreign and military affairs.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:46 PM (oqoj

DJTs For Pol is why all of DC coalesced against him. You think Rons backers are more hard core isolationist than DJT? Or maybe For Pol is the reason they back Ron? I doubt Ron is hoodwinking his backers and stiff arms them after winning by going isolationist.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:49 PM (piiLl)

385 I would request that the NTers tell us who their candidate is in the future so we can refuse to vote for them

NTers can't really believe that they are the only children in the room, can they ?

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 06:49 PM (us2H3)

386 Angry Ace is the Best Ace…

Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 06:49 PM (V8yYW)

387 It will be much worse. At worst nuclear war might destroy more than one American city. Be ready for what happens later- or not, as you like it.
Posted by: trev006

Not sure what will happen because 'panics' including the massive 1920 recession ended without much if anything done by government. Government interference by both Hoover and FDR and stupid Fed policy lengthened the Great Depression and caused a second massive recession in 1937.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:49 PM (oqoj8)

388 I'm saying that Congress is a co-equal branch and that people employed in high-level government positions and recommended for high-level government positions are often assumed to be on the side of America and Americans.

I thought I was clear. Sorry if I'd written it in a way that you'd misunderstood.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:48 PM (NdB+W)

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No, you were very clear. You're saying Trump completely and utterly failed to understand or counteract the entrenched interests opposed to his agenda, which makes him incompetent.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:49 PM (xKGxx)

389 I thought I was clear. Sorry if I'd written it in a way that you'd misunderstood.
Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:48 PM (NdB+W)

It's a Rove faction paid account.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:50 PM (piiLl)

390 Ace
It is too late to change horses
You have already been blackballed you will never get into the Never Trump Club
Conagra parent company of Orville Redenbacher is my personal stock pick.

Posted by: Paul at April 21, 2023 06:50 PM (jSCAx)

391 So you're saying that Trump is a weak loser outwitted by people smarter and tougher than him. What a ringing endorsement for Trump 2024.

Posted by: Theo

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None of it matters, btw. And it's part of the reason I'm not easily riled or have much invested in it or 2024.

There is no path to 270 barring a miracle. I'm going to vote in hopes of that miracle, but it will still take a miracle. A literal gift from God.

I don't know if we have whatever He's looking for, though.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:50 PM (NdB+W)

392 Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM

Well said, Darrell Harris. (including the comments at 147, 152, 158 and 160, not just this last one).

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 06:50 PM (Do5/p)

393 Right. DJT is the right man for the time.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:45 PM (piiLl)

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Right man to what? Lose to Biden, then complain it was rigged?

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (xKGxx)

394 Why does everyone think DeSantis is a RINO? There has not been one policy that he has backed down on due to outside pressure. People keep citing rino funding but as Ace has said here, so does Trump.
Why wouldn't you want to see them go toe to toe on real policy issues?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (Y+l9t)

395 Prosperity
Peace
A way to end illegal immigration (Remain in Mexico)
Repeal of Row vs Wade
An end to gun control in America (Bruen decision)

And some of you are are complaining he's a just big liberal? If sending a New York Lib to the White House gets us all that, I say sign me up for more!



Posted by: Serious Cat at April 21, 2023 06:47 PM (gzz0o)

I assume a new and fairer NAFTA falls under prosperity, but absolutely. Trump helped a lot of working class Americans, which is why so many of them voted for him.

Conversely, he made a lot of political consultants/ commentators look like absolute fucking idiots, and those guys have never forgiven him.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (DTm0P)

396 369 There is no way Trump loses the primary. No way. You anti-Trumpers ae going to have to root for the Georgia DA and the special counsel. It's your only hope.
Posted by: Eskimo at April 21, 2023 06:42 PM (L498I)

Channeling Raymond Alden talking to Stewart Swinton

Posted by: REDACTED at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (us2H3)

397 No, you were very clear. You're saying Trump completely and utterly failed to understand or counteract the entrenched interests opposed to his agenda, which makes him incompetent.

Posted by: Theo
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You do understand how the three branches of government works, right?

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (NdB+W)

398 350 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:33 PM (piiLl)

Great the base of the GOP is a Mathusian death cult larping as Gaia worshipping retards I guess.

Whatever champ running Nixon 2024 will win all this, Trump thinking he is JFK 60 and being Nixon72 instead.

Whatever, from a game theory standpoint I am facing 100% lockstep ideologues with monomaniacal but disloyal allies.

Cut bait, get rental properties in three states and enjoy my retirement while the country burns down looks good to me.

Have fun, Trump is not my clown and if the nominee in 2024 it is not my circus.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:53 PM (Lzpvj)

399 Not sure what will happen because 'panics' including the massive 1920 recession ended without much if anything done by government.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 06:49 PM (oqoj

Biden is way too stupid to do nothing. Look at Signature Bank: expect a lot more of that to protect his oligarch owners.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:54 PM (DTm0P)

400 You do understand how the three branches of government works, right?

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (NdB+W)

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Trump repeatedly said, in 2016, that he could convince Congress through one means or another to get a wonderful agenda through. If you're now saying Congress sabotaged him, that means Trump's either incompetent or a liar.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:54 PM (xKGxx)

401 Why wouldn't you want to see them go toe to toe on real policy issues?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (Y+l9t)

Fwiw, I do want to see that.

Ron took their money after they screwed DJT. After they revealed themselves.

The argument that Ron will stiff arm them and deny their policy desires is laughable to me.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:55 PM (piiLl)

402 If Trump wanted to end RDS nationally, making him look like a crazed hardliner would position Trump as the reasonable statesman who -only- ended Roe vs. Wade.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:35 PM

Yes, but didn't ending Roe v. Wade lead to states being allowed to enact strict abortion laws? If the former did not happen, the latter would not have happened. I am not sure President Trump could use this to his benefit.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 06:55 PM (Do5/p)

403 397 Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (NdB+W)

I also understand that in OT land not succeeding depsite political reality is Mitch McDonald Failure Theater and given I helped mainstream hating Mooch I know of what I speak.

Trump who got rolled by the DOJ, IC, and State Departments in Trump 1 "The Narrow Win!" will smite them all out of the gate in Trump 2 "The Awakening!"

Whatever, if I am going for fantasy this year it will be the wife and I having a fun threesome with vintage Kristara Barrington not an out of the box lame duck that things siding with Disney and A-B is genius.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:55 PM (Lzpvj)

404 Have fun, Trump is not my clown and if the nominee in 2024 it is not my circus.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:53 PM (Lzpvj)

Again, byeeeeeee

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:55 PM (DTm0P)

405 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 06:51 PM (Y+l9t)

I worry because a "young Trump" has come along at far too convenient a time for a GOP that has for as long as I've known, been a party of liars, phonies and shitweasels.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 06:56 PM (BXxcV)

406 Trump repeatedly said, in 2016, that he could convince Congress through one means or another to get a wonderful agenda through. If you're now saying Congress sabotaged him, that means Trump's either incompetent or a liar.

Posted by: Theo

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Again, I suspect he, like most of us, thought they had America and Americans best interests at heart. They proved us wrong. I've already posted this a couple of times on this thread, and again, I'm sorry it's confusing.

You win. There. You're the winner. I can't be more clear than that. I won't repeat the same basic and easily understood idea over and over. You win.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:57 PM (NdB+W)

407 Great the base of the GOP is a Mathusian death cult larping as Gaia worshipping retards I guess.

-sven

The base of the GOP is DJT's coalition. And they believe in DJT's policies.

"Conservatives" are not anywhere close to the majority of GOP voters or donors.

Have prob never been. Maybe 1980. Maybe. But not before or after.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:58 PM (piiLl)

408 404 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:55 PM (DTm0P)

I'll be just as quiet as you have been on it, and I will gloat mightily when the fucker implodes as he did in 2020.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:58 PM (Lzpvj)

409 I also understand that in OT land not succeeding depsite political reality is Mitch McDonald Failure Theater and given I helped mainstream hating Mooch I know of what I speak.

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The worst part of the Trump presidency was the clear understanding that 85% or more of our representatives are very much not on our side.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:59 PM (NdB+W)

410 Yes, but didn't ending Roe v. Wade lead to states being allowed to enact strict abortion laws? If the former did not happen, the latter would not have happened. I am not sure President Trump could use this to his benefit.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 06:55 PM (Do5/p)

Exactly wrong. Donald Trump can correctly point to the 16 week abortion ban signed by Ron DeSantis as the correct way to moderate abortion just after the fall of Roe. Hell, if RDS hauled away abortion doctors for illegal organ harvesting I'd find it impossible to argue against.

There were ways to persuade me a candidate is better than Trump. DeSantis confirmed my suspicions when he couldn't shut up about his incredible fundraising and massive book deal on Piers Morgan- it's like he was trying to show off how much of a donor bitch he was.

But now I don't have to worry, because his constant stunts to be the Severest Conservative have ended his chances well ahead of Scott Walker. What a pity.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 06:59 PM (DTm0P)

411 Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:54 PM (xKGxx)

Work on your logic skills. Underestimating the treachery of the R party is something practically everyone even here is guilty of to this day, to the point of actually trusting Ron DePlantis. Trusting the GOP in 2016 not to just be Democrats with better hair is not incompetence. It is now and yet here you are fronting for yet another likely GOP stooge.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:00 PM (BXxcV)

412 407 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 06:58 PM (piiLl)

Great thank God the GOP does not need non-marxist voters then.

Have fun storming the castle, and understand I donated heavily enough to DJT I regret it after I purposefully did not donate in 2016.

You will not miss me, and I assure you I will not miss having to answer for his retardation to my peers.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:00 PM (Lzpvj)

413 I'll be just as quiet as you have been on it, and I will gloat mightily when the fucker implodes as he did in 2020.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 06:58 PM (Lzpvj)

I'm not constantly saying "screw you guys, I'm going home."

You and your boy sure have glass jaws. One punch and you flounce.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:01 PM (DTm0P)

414 I have already seen some state polls where Biden beats Trump but DeSantis beats Biden. It is way too early to decide who the Republican candidate is going to be. If DeSantis does what he has done in Florida which is making informed decisions on policy and being able to articulate why so he can defend his positions, he will defeat Trump's name calling. Trump has weaknesses as does DeSantis. I know what Trump's are. So far have. It seen any from DeSantis.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:02 PM (Y+l9t)

415 You will not miss me, and I assure you I will not miss having to answer for his retardation to my peers.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:00 PM (Lzpvj)

Fwiw, I dig your acct. But whatever. DJTs base is the actual GOP voter base and they are decidedly non-marxist. Even if they are more socially liberal than I am sadly.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:02 PM (piiLl)

416 Again, I suspect he, like most of us, thought they had America and Americans best interests at heart. They proved us wrong. I've already posted this a couple of times on this thread, and again, I'm sorry it's confusing.

You win. There. You're the winner. I can't be more clear than that. I won't repeat the same basic and easily understood idea over and over. You win.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:57 PM (NdB+W)

It's not an actual response; it's just justification for failure. You're coping and excuse making and I don't give a shit about excuses.

Understand?

I don't give a shit that you think you have an excuse for Trump's failures that boils down to "everyone else was so horrible."

Let me tell you something: Trump himself doesn't care about America in the least, just his own ego. If they're really like that, then they're only like Trump.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:02 PM (xKGxx)

417 409 Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 06:59 PM (NdB+W)

Alas poor Scrappy, but don't worry insta lame duck Trump will slay the dragons out of the gate.

He will win with what 70% of ballots cast I guess, so consequently he can say "fuck inertia this svelte bod is my mandate!" or something?

Jesus this is liberating, I do not have to spend hours a week trying to retard whisper an ADD New York asshole anymore.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:03 PM (Lzpvj)

418 Work on your logic skills. Underestimating the treachery of the R party is something practically everyone even here is guilty of to this day, to the point of actually trusting Ron DePlantis. Trusting the GOP in 2016 not to just be Democrats with better hair is not incompetence. It is now and yet here you are fronting for yet another likely GOP stooge.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:00 PM (BXxcV)

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The funny thing is that Donald Trump fits the bill you just described perfectly - establishment stooge no different from the Democrats and who has no problem betraying voters - and you can't defend him hard enough.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:04 PM (xKGxx)

419 Fwiw, I dig your acct. But whatever. DJTs base is the actual GOP voter base and they are decidedly non-marxist. Even if they are more socially liberal than I am sadly.
Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:02 PM (piiLl)

Ironically, Donald Trump has done more for American evangelicals than even Reagan managed.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:04 PM (DTm0P)

420 415 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:02 PM (piiLl)

If the "actual GOP base" cannot be assed to be bothered to vote in 2022 I am going to take the money I have donated over the decades in future to fund something more worthwhile like the world's largest rocking chair displays or something.

I am not even angry at the Magats. They are literally too stupid to understand game theory that I have been researching since I was in junior high. I am angry at myself for thinking they could be relied on for a nansecond for anything productive.

I suspected post 2012 my judgement was shit, 2016 and 2020 proved it.

Not my circus, and not my monkey.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

421 The funny thing is that Donald Trump fits the bill you just described perfectly - establishment stooge no different from the Democrats and who has no problem betraying voters - and you can't defend him hard enough.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:04 PM (xKGxx)

Trump did more for the R base than all Republicans combined in the last 50 years, with the entire R party fighting him every step of the way.

I'm not seeing stooge. And I already said I'm getting sick of him.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (BXxcV)

422 Let me tell you something: Trump himself doesn't care about America in the least, just his own ego. If they're really like that, then they're only like Trump.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:02 PM (xKGxx)

This acct is a paid shill. But this comment is interesting. NT and just I hate Trump ppl all act like they have secret info they don't divulge about DJT. It's weird. Like a "oh boy if you just knew what I knew whew lawdy that guy is baaaaad news". Very funny. They all must be on email lists with each other and talking to neolib Intel friends about DJT gossip.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (piiLl)

423 Jesus this is liberating, I do not have to spend hours a week trying to retard whisper an ADD New York asshole anymore.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:03 PM (Lzpvj)

No, instead you've tied yourself to a sinking ship. It would be one thing if you were getting paid for it, but too bad.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (DTm0P)

424 394 Why does everyone think DeSantis is a RINO?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Ukraine waffle for starters on DeSantis. Not a disqualifier but a rare unforced error by DeSantis. His minions also bungled the second immigrant flight to the point he dropped them off in Nashville rather than Delaware--created some legal issues for him via lawfare and a Dem sheriff in TX.

On real policy, there is a consistent problem that everything that the GOP candidates ran on--like GWB turned out to be a lie in office. McCain and Romney are also examples of raging asshole liars about their true positions---arguably, McCain would have delivered a worse first term than Obama did. Romney, snort, enough said. GHWB tried to keep the Soviet Union together, Germany apart, and had his ambassador Glaspie tell give Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait plus lied on taxes. Reagan was a rare exception and Nixon delivered on his biggest promise but cemented a lot of liberal nonsense in domestic policy because it polled well. Hell even Barry Goldwater became a limp dick in his last years in the Senate.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:07 PM (oqoj8)

425 I suspected post 2012 my judgement was shit

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

You're a slow learner, but you are learning.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:08 PM (DTm0P)

426 I suspected post 2012 my judgement was shit, 2016 and 2020 proved it.

Not my circus, and not my monkey.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

"Sometimes the only way to win is not to play."

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:08 PM (piiLl)

427 Trump did more for the R base than all Republicans combined in the last 50 years, with the entire R party fighting him every step of the way.

I'm not seeing stooge. And I already said I'm getting sick of him.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (BXxcV)

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Donald Trump turned the entire country over to Faucists in 2020, then lost to a dementia-addled Joe Biden.

This very post contains examples of him attacking DeSantis for standing up to liberal corporations and lockdowners.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:08 PM (xKGxx)

428 I don't think DeSantis can win anything at the national level after signing the 6 week abortion bill. I think he has taken himself off the run for the Presidency. Unless this was intended to align the evangelicals to his side and against Trump for the purpose of winning the primary. But then he will have no chance in the general. So the NT camp wins as they take out the top two MAGA candidates for 2028.

I wouldn't be surprised if further indictments agaisnt Trump further solidify the base for him. If any voters peel off it would be the roadkill independents. But even those may not come off if the Dems are abusive enough of the Don.

Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 07:09 PM (MwrPl)

429 This acct is a paid shill. But this comment is interesting. NT and just I hate Trump ppl all act like they have secret info they don't divulge about DJT. It's weird. Like a "oh boy if you just knew what I knew whew lawdy that guy is baaaaad news". Very funny. They all must be on email lists with each other and talking to neolib Intel friends about DJT gossip.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (piiLl)

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The secret info is Donald Trump publicly announcing his loyalty to big donors, liberal corporations, and Lindsay Graham.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:09 PM (xKGxx)

430 421 Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:06 PM (BXxcV)

How absolutely German of you.

"Ja mein fruend, the leader understands more of what you need than YOU do and he sacrificed in the face of "opposition that YOU sent to DC to represent YOUR alleged interests in error!"

"Leni make the hall of lights again please, and I want them to be YUGE columns the best....."

//DJT My Tussle

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:09 PM (Lzpvj)

431 Eh, I can't get excited about this right now because a lot of things are going to happen between now and the election.

Maybe Rammasalami or whatever his name is catches fire. Maybe it does come down to just RDS and DJT, but-

you can almost bet that the economy's gonna be tanking late this year or early next year.

The smart guy is going to be talking about the economy as things happen and why they're happening, and what they would be doing differently.

We'll see who the smart guy is.

RDS actually has the advantage now cuz he can enact policy. We'll see if he uses that wisely to build up his credibility. Plenty of time if he's the real deal.


Posted by: naturalfake at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (RJQ8g)

432 Unless this was intended to align the evangelicals to his side and against Trump for the purpose of winning the primary. But then he will have no chance in the general. So the NT camp wins as they take out the top two MAGA candidates for 2028.

Florida Chick

Yes. Rovian brilliance. Which is how to prevent the GOP base from having a candidate that represents them. And alternating GOPe ppl with DEM ppl per agreements.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (piiLl)

433 "Leni make the hall of lights again please, and I want them to be YUGE columns the best....."

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:09 PM (Lzpvj)

Have you seen Triumph of the Will? I watched it for an undergrad class. Those lights were an incredible visual effect.

Of course, taking over continental Europe was a bit more impressive.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (DTm0P)

434 425 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:08 PM (DTm0P)

I backed Romney, and like a fool Trump twice....

given who signs the checks I should have voted Urkle both times and HER! and Dementia Man....

Given all Trump needs to win YUGE is 525 uniminded pols, an entire judicial branch, and the stars in alignment.....

Have fun.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (Lzpvj)

435 All Trump had to do was run on his accomplishments. He would have had the backing of everyone. Instead he went back to being the loud mouth asshole calling his opponents names. Just the thing that turns people off. Right after he declared, he put up some video with serious policy statements and I thought now I can be enthusiastic. Then he goes after the most effective governor in the country doing all the things conservative want for the entire country. So turn off the large part of the conservative base that think DeSantis is the future of the America First movement.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:12 PM (Y+l9t)

436 The smart guy is going to be talking about the economy as things happen and why they're happening, and what they would be doing differently.

We'll see who the smart guy is.

RDS actually has the advantage now cuz he can enact policy. We'll see if he uses that wisely to build up his credibility. Plenty of time if he's the real deal.


Posted by: naturalfake at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (RJQ8g)

The GOPe is going to push austerity in the teeth of recession. And do it in order to throw the general to stop DJT.

That is part of why DJT is moving left of GOP.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:13 PM (piiLl)

437 433 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (DTm0P)

I'd say killing 6 million Jews and having the eastern half of your nation having 5 birth years that can only narrow down their paternal parentage to "61st Guards Regiment" takes the bloom off the rose but you do you trev.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:13 PM (Lzpvj)

438 Put simply, 2024 isn't our last chance. It's theirs. As hungry as the country was for Make America Great Again in 2016, it's hungrier now. Black truckers and Hispanic nannies are crossing over as Trump Republicans: former Fox News watchers are increasingly radicalized. Biden's not just burning his candle at both ends, he threw the whole thing in the fire as a "distraction." Without a peaceful transfer of power back to MAGA, the Democrats can look forward to a decade of collapsing legitimacy for the federal government, if not a collapse itself.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 05:45 PM (DTm0P)

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This is what being a Trump supporter entails: Delusion on a mass scale. Biden and his team have annihilated Trump time and time again, and we still have Trump people acting like Steiner's attack is going to save them.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:14 PM (xKGxx)

439 I don't think DeSantis can win anything at the national level after signing the 6 week abortion bill. I think he has taken himself off the run for the Presidency. Unless this was intended to align the evangelicals to his side and against Trump for the purpose of winning the primary. But then he will have no chance in the general. So the NT camp wins as they take out the top two MAGA candidates for 2028.

Posted by: Floridachick at April 21, 2023 07:09 PM (MwrPl)

Rove and the Cooch have a tendency to treat the GOP base, and especially evangelicals, like total retards. It's not going to work, particularly against the President who ended Roe vs. Wade, and even Congressmen can see the humiliation for DeSantis coming.

Would I take half a billion if it meant being tied to Karl Rove? Fuck no, I'd rather take my chances conducting all my campaigning on Joe Rogan.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:14 PM (DTm0P)

440 Given all Trump needs to win YUGE is 525 uniminded pols, an entire judicial branch, and the stars in alignment.....

Have fun.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:11 PM (Lzpvj)

Ron needs less than this somehow?

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:15 PM (piiLl)

441 I am not even angry at the Magats. They are literally too stupid to understand game theory that I have been researching since I was in junior high.
Posted by: sven
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Insult away but essentially 'I am the genius and other people should listen to me' is a poor way to persuade people to your way of thinking.

BTW, I have done graduate work in game theory and used it for a couple of projects along with a lot of other stat tools. Had to retool for my current job.
Don't assume other people don't know here what you are talking about. Essentially, Trump support is partially a Nash equilibrium issue---you the advocate have to persuade others that DeSantis is superior through persuasive evidence versus Trump's actual performance in office. Basically there is a higher uncertainty ratio in DeSantis as to what he would do in office even if he won.

Without a house or senate, trans policy will go nowhere, a national abortion law is very unlikely, ditto for economic policy other than tax cuts, so that leaves foreign policy including use of the military and trade policy as easy lifts.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:15 PM (oqoj8)

442 435 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:12 PM (Y+l9t)

Juvenile loudmouth asshole NOW WITH MORE election butthurt who get this went zero for life in lawsuits and expended zero actual energy in stumping for ballot security measures in purplish states....

DJT real genius.....again I have spent hell not even 12 take it all the way back to Shit Nugget 2008's campaign retards and it is not like Dole 96 and the Chimpy show burnt the house down.

This blackpill shit is awesome all the angst with no responsibility, no cost, and no guilt in loss.

Should have embraced it decades ago.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:16 PM (Lzpvj)

443 This is what being a Trump supporter entails: Delusion on a mass scale. Biden and his team have annihilated Trump time and time again, and we still have Trump people acting like Steiner's attack is going to save them.
Posted by: Theo
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Insulting potential supporters by insults is an interesting way to promote your candidate unless you are a DEM troll. Course that means you are dishonest by nature.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:16 PM (oqoj8)

444 For those who say Trump has a better chance, he basically is pushing it in two critical states. Penn and Az. DeSantis is beating Bidwn greater than what can probably done with cheating.

What say you my Trumpy friends?

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/2024/


Monday, April 17
Arizona: Trump vs. Biden. Biden 45, Trump 44 Biden +1
Arizona: DeSantis vs. Biden. DeSantis 48, Biden 42 DeSantis +6
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden. Biden 46, Trump 42 Biden +4
Pennsylvania: DeSantis vs. Biden. DeSantis 45, Biden 42 DeSantis +3

Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 07:17 PM (V8yYW)

445 Insulting potential supporters by insults is an interesting way to promote your candidate unless you are a DEM troll. Course that means you are dishonest by nature.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:16 PM (oqoj

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Thank you for letting me enjoy the cosmic irony of Trump bootlickers complaining about too many insults being thrown around.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:17 PM (xKGxx)

446 Without a house or senate, trans policy will go nowhere, a national abortion law is very unlikely, ditto for economic policy other than tax cuts, so that leaves foreign policy including use of the military and trade policy as easy lifts.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:15 PM (oqoj

Yeah. GOP is going to throw the House and Senate by being "conservative". DJT will have to do what he can with that.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:18 PM (piiLl)

447 Yeah. GOP is going to throw the House and Senate by being "conservative". DJT will have to do what he can with that.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:18 PM (piiLl)

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Remember how Trump demanded we nominate Herschel Walker, Blake Masters, and Dr. Oz?

Yeah, he's really pulling the party's fat out of the fire.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (xKGxx)

448 lol

lmao even

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (z9n5F)

449 Monday, April 17
Arizona: Trump vs. Biden. Biden 45, Trump 44 Biden +1
Arizona: DeSantis vs. Biden. DeSantis 48, Biden 42 DeSantis +6
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden. Biden 46, Trump 42 Biden +4
Pennsylvania: DeSantis vs. Biden. DeSantis 45, Biden 42 DeSantis +3
Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 07:17 PM (V8yYW)

Yes well polls are fixed. Biden did not actually get the 81mil votes the polls said he got. It is a very eleaborate rigging.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (piiLl)

450 The GOPe is going to push austerity in the teeth of recession. And do it in order to throw the general to stop DJT.

That is part of why DJT is moving left of GOP.
Posted by: Thesokorus

Yep, starting with idiot GOP senators noting we have to cut social security to balance the budget but we can totes afford billions to Ukraine and newly arrived immigrants including luxury 700 per night stays in NYC courtesy of federal taxpayers.

That right there is a real vote getter for the GOP. The genius of Senate GOP is they don't want to win--they want to lose because governing is hard--if they side with their constituents. They lose all their grift and DC friends across the aisle.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (oqoj8)

451 441 Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:15 PM (oqoj

Horsefuck.

Trump uses game theory like Stalin does if anything. A constant game of "I am the center and what was good yesterday" gets you killed tomorrow.

Trans policy is being enacted by non-constituional means largely by the executive branch when necessary. Of course one of Trump's charms was an inability to get HIS FUCKING BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT to execute his policies such as they were. His own "career non-partisan civil servants" were colluding with NGOs to run to the vaunted "Hawaiian Judges Inc."

I meant what I said, and I sincerely was serious about the "GOP Nominee no matter who" it cost me professionally and personally but I took that challenge on and largely I made peace with the largely accidental successes we enjoyed.

I am just as serious, Pence has a New Never wingman I suspect....and fittingly it is his old boss.

I will not vote for Donald Trump so long as he hits the right harder than the left.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (Lzpvj)

452 This blackpill shit is awesome all the angst with no responsibility, no cost, and no guilt in loss.

Should have embraced it decades ago.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:16 PM (Lzpvj)

Seeing whing doompill bitches attached to Ron DeSantis is like wearing Axe. No wonder he's doing so badly.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:21 PM (DTm0P)

453 Remember how Trump demanded we nominate Herschel Walker, Blake Masters, and Dr. Oz?

Yeah, he's really pulling the party's fat out of the fire.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (xKGxx)

Get fucked shill hahhahahab

GA, AZ and PA?

Hahahhabababab

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:21 PM (piiLl)

454 Whig, the fact that all these other guys sucked does not generalize to every other Republican. At least DeSantis has governed the way that he pro,is Ed, picked excellent personnel, got his legislative agenda passed. He hasn't even declared, put out any policy papers and yet the argument here is we can't believe him because all the Republicans in the last lied. Or he takes money from all the same places all republicans get their money.
So who is your candidate? We already know Trump takes money from these sources, that he was unable to get legislation passed when he owned congress and made bad personnel choices. ??

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:21 PM (Y+l9t)

455 I will not vote for Donald Trump so long as he hits the right harder than the left.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (Lzpvj)

He rarely hits rightists. I am one. I would know. He hits "conservatives".

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:22 PM (piiLl)

456 Get fucked shill hahhahahab

GA, AZ and PA?

Hahahhabababab

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:21 PM (piiLl)

You can't even type out a fake laugh without screwing that up. Just like Trump can run in states Republicans have won for decades without screwing up.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:22 PM (xKGxx)

457 Get fucked shill hahhahahab

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:21 PM (piiLl)

Yeah, blackpillers are fun to kick in the ribs, but NPCs don't deserve more than a "Welcome to Corneria."

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:23 PM (DTm0P)

458 That right there is a real vote getter for the GOP. The genius of Senate GOP is they don't want to win--they want to lose because governing is hard--if they side with their constituents. They lose all their grift and DC friends across the aisle.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:20 PM (oqoj

The GOP donors detest the GOP voters.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:24 PM (piiLl)

459 Don & Ron 2024
They'll be pals just like Ted & Marco.

Posted by: saywhatisay at April 21, 2023 07:24 PM (/SMyG)

460 Yeah, blackpillers are fun to kick in the ribs, but NPCs don't deserve more than a "Welcome to Corneria."

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:23 PM (DTm0P)

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"Blackpillers"

"NPCs"

You guys talk like this, then wonder why you never win elections because actual people find you weird and offputting.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:24 PM (xKGxx)

461 DeSantis hasn't been defined yet. 80% of the country wouldn't recognize him if he standing in front of them. And we're doing "polls"????

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:25 PM (BXxcV)

462 Trev006, if you can't make a cogent argument and have to resort to name calling, go peddle you disrespectful shit elsewhere.
You add nothing to the conversation and just dirty up the blog.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:25 PM (Y+l9t)

463 You can't even type out a fake laugh without screwing that up. Just like Trump can run in states Republicans have won for decades without screwing up.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:22 PM (xKGxx)

Suck my typos shill.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:25 PM (piiLl)

464 Thank you for letting me enjoy the cosmic irony of Trump bootlickers complaining about too many insults being thrown around.
Posted by: Theo

I am not one but thanks for playing. I am effectively partyless because the Dems went for a criminal in 1992 and doubled down after knowing that. The GOP put Shrub in office and followed that with McCain and Romney who thoroughly deserve every insult that the Dems threw at them.

Trump destroyed the cozy Uniparty grifting arrangement and kept us out of war despite his own generals betraying orders, gave us a fair economy, and disclosed both parties are full of corrupt shitbags. Oh and Scotus.

Now, what have you done for the US? I suspect I know.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:25 PM (oqoj8)

465 I'll vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination

But I don't love the smell of my own farts as much as some others

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (z9n5F)

466 Suck my typos shill.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:25 PM (piiLl)

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Suck Trump's historically humiliating defeat, bootlicker.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (xKGxx)

467 For those who say Trump has a better chance, he basically is pushing it in two critical states. Penn and Az. DeSantis is beating Bidwn greater than what can probably done with cheating.

What say you my Trumpy friends
Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 07:17 PM (V8yYW)

Get outta here with that gay nonsense. DeSantis didn't even get more votes than Trump in Florida, but wants to pretend he's already winning Pennsylvania despite almost no national exposure.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (DTm0P)

468 This blackpill shit is awesome all the angst with no responsibility, no cost, and no guilt in loss.

Should have embraced it decades ago.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:16 PM (Lzpvj)

I knew I'd get you there eventually. 😀

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (BXxcV)

469 I am not one but thanks for playing. I am effectively partyless because the Dems went for a criminal in 1992 and doubled down after knowing that. The GOP put Shrub in office and followed that with McCain and Romney who thoroughly deserve every insult that the Dems threw at them.

Trump destroyed the cozy Uniparty grifting arrangement and kept us out of war despite his own generals betraying orders, gave us a fair economy, and disclosed both parties are full of corrupt shitbags. Oh and Scotus.

Now, what have you done for the US? I suspect I know.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:25 PM (oqoj

"I'm not a Trump supporters, but he's this wonderful person who saved the country."

Yeah, Trump really destroyed the "Uniparty" by turning over the government to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and he really stood up to "the generals" by letting them keep us in Afghanistan his entire presidency.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:27 PM (xKGxx)

470 Whig we are like brothers.

I plan on voting DEM if GOP assents yo their becoming the uniparty.

RFK jr type candidates.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:27 PM (piiLl)

471 I love all you guys. Even you "Theo".

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:28 PM (BXxcV)

472 "Donald Trump is far from perfect, but he was the most conservative and successful GOP President since Reagan"

The "most conservative" president decided he could lock down the private sector because of the flu. That does not compute.

Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:28 PM (tdbOv)

473 455 Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:22 PM (piiLl)

Right champ, DJT the "True Con."

Maybe you and he can sit around the campfire and praise the leader who ran his country into the ground so hard the taste still is not completely in their mouths.

Look have fun, this is not the Karl Rove Limp Wrist brigades leaving this is the "Fuck the Failure Theater" gang.

You say "of course Trump is not preaching austerity in a recession" uh don't look now Tiger we are about 5.75 points from losing Global Reserve status and when that happens we are fucked.....no amount of funny money will paper over what happens which is why a box of tic tacs that cost 69 cents in 2016 are now a buck 99.

I will be fine, I have lived in cardboard recycling dumpsters when needed and do not have a starbucks habit.....and frankly I kind of welcome the "moment of clarity" spend a holics are gonna get within six years 18 at the most.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:29 PM (Lzpvj)

474 The GOP donors detest the GOP voters.
Posted by: Thesokorus

That has always been true. One of the reasons that a lot of unaffiliated voters never liked GOP candidates is that they and a lot of their staffers are the swarmy political types that say one thing to you in public and another to donors in private. That was Shit Mitt's 47 percent comment and what Rovian politics revolves around. And it is the same reason that people cannot stand the Tories in UK--the Tories lie to them and Labor party is literally insane in wanting to tear down the country.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:29 PM (oqoj8)

475 Suck Trump's historically humiliating defeat, bootlicker.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (xKGxx)

Please shill. Explain the humiliation. I saw +74million votes. How many do you think DeSantis gets? He underperformed DJT in FLA right?

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:29 PM (piiLl)

476 The "most conservative" president decided he could lock down the private sector because of the flu. That does not compute.

Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:28 PM (tdbOv)

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No, he was trying to expose "them" by letting "them" take over the country or something.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:30 PM (xKGxx)

477 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:12 PM (Y+l9t)

Sharon, Trump is a no holds barred fighter. You can't be friends during a primary.

And unlike the rest of the GOP he is just as hard if not harder on the Democrat instead of telling everyone it would actually be great if they beat him.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:31 PM (BXxcV)

478 Please shill. Explain the humiliation. I saw +74million votes. How many do you think DeSantis gets? He underperformed DJT in FLA right?

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:29 PM (piiLl)

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DeSantis got 59% of the vote in 2022. Trump got 51% of the vote in 2020.

I await you admitting error now.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:31 PM (xKGxx)

479 Sven. DJT is not a conservative. I am not either. I am a rightist. The GOP base is not conservative. No one wants the conservative policies. Well maybe 5% of US. Maybe 10%.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:31 PM (piiLl)

480 465 Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (z9n5F)

The blog blew up over this and your position was my position as a Cruz guy.

Trump succeeded enough that I gave him my support in 2020.

I am not supporting an idiot who could not not destroy the economy who could not with DOJ ostensibly under his direct control stop the steal.

They can't back anybody but Trump?

I will back anybody BUT Trump*.

*except his wingman Pence

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:32 PM (Lzpvj)

481 I will be fine, I have lived in cardboard recycling dumpsters when needed

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:29 PM (Lzpvj)

Never would have guessed.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:32 PM (DTm0P)

482 470 Whig we are like brothers.

I plan on voting DEM if GOP assents yo their becoming the uniparty.

RFK jr type candidates.
Posted by: Thesokorus

I used to be a southern Democrat until the Dems went with Billy Jeff. I knew firsthand of the scumbaggery of Bill and Hill. Billy Jeff simply wanted poon and power and would do anything to get it by becoming famous--Hillary wanted revenge for society dumping on her. They trashed a good guy officeholder that I worked for off and on for years. I quit that party but still despised the Bushes.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:32 PM (oqoj8)

483 It wasn't a "flu", it was a bioweapon and no one knew for sure what it was going to do or what might follow.

Anyone who wants to pretend they would have "done covid right" in an election year is full of more shit than even our most retarded trolls.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:33 PM (BXxcV)

484 It wasn't a "flu", it was a bioweapon and no one knew for sure what it was going to do or what might follow.

Anyone who wants to pretend they would have "done covid right" in an election year is full of more shit than even our most retarded trolls.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:33 PM (BXxcV)

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Kemp got COVID right, or at least more right than Trump, and Trump attacked him for that.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:34 PM (xKGxx)

485 DeSantis got 59% of the vote in 2022. Trump got 51% of the vote in 2020.

I await you admitting error now.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:31 PM (xKGxx)

Ok. I was wrong. Answer the rest of my questions shill.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:35 PM (piiLl)

486 Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:32 PM (Lzpvj)

You and Theo talk like shitlibs trying to be clever at the troolooloolling tbh

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:35 PM (z9n5F)

487 Kemp got COVID right, or at least more right than Trump, and Trump attacked him for that.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:34 PM (xKGxx)

Trump was worried Kemp was going to screw him and for good reason. And for the record I didn't like Trump's attack on him even though I thought Trump assumed he is slime, which he is.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (BXxcV)

488 Trump at least demonstrated conservative actions in office whatever he said.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 05:11 PM (oqoj
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As has DeSantis.

I don't expect perfection. But being on the absolute wrong side of the culture wars, thinking in essence the dad in Virginia was wrong to be ticked off about his daughter being raped by a tranny, that is an own goal for team Trump.

I still do not believe any GOP candidate can win the general. Yes, DeSantis turned Florida red by fixing the election fraud. But that is one state. And he cannot effect change in the states we all know by heart, and Trump has done nothing to change any of it either.

The only wild card here is if Trump keeps making bad decisions, and his errors here are undermining his arguments against DeSantis (being a GOPe corporate mega donor shill), it might reduce the number of alienated Trump voters in the general should DeSantis win the nomination.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (UVyKP)

489 481 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:32 PM (DTm0P)

I've lived in ditches professionally as well, but they were GREAT ditches the best.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (Lzpvj)

490 Calling people names is not fighting your opponent. Putting forth policy positions that people can get behind is what running for office is all about. Going afte DeSantis for Covid policy or what he did against Disney tells me Trump can do nothing but call names because both of those things are things the base is in favor of.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (Y+l9t)

491 Anyone who wants to pretend they would have "done covid right" in an election year is full of more shit than even our most retarded trolls.
Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:33 PM (BXxcV)

Given that Fauci had unleashed a bioweapon, it's pretty virtuous that Donald Trump chose to fairly win even when the election was fixed. That's why it took a 2 AM steal.

DeSantis stans deny the election theft because they want to pretend they're not propped up by the Uniparty. One more reason RDS is losing despite half a billion dollars.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (DTm0P)

492 LMAO sven's not trolling. For fucks sake I'm not sure anyone here is more earnest than sven.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:37 PM (BXxcV)

493 Trump was worried Kemp was going to screw him and for good reason. And for the record I didn't like Trump's attack on him even though I thought Trump assumed he is slime, which he is.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (BXxcV)

Kemp's slime because he had the temerity to win re-election, which Trump couldn't do.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:37 PM (xKGxx)

494 We knew by May what it was and what it wasn't.

Anyone saying anything else is just making excuses. We always knew masks didn't work because they never have against viruses. The south Koreans knew it wasn't spread via surfaces in April. We knew the social distancing recommendations were literally made up by a german scientist in the 1800's.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (UVyKP)

495 Calling people names is not fighting your opponent. Putting forth policy positions that people can get behind is what running for office is all about. Going afte DeSantis for Covid policy or what he did against Disney tells me Trump can do nothing but call names because both of those things are things the base is in favor of.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (Y+l9t)

People don't listen to policy. And names are kinda Trump's thing. It's your prerogative to hate it, I hate all these fuckers personally.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (BXxcV)

496 Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:37 PM (BXxcV)

That's just, like, our opinions, man

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (z9n5F)

497 Sven isn't troll. He is just intense good guy.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (piiLl)

498 So who is your candidate? We already know Trump takes money from these sources, that he was unable to get legislation passed when he owned congress and made bad personnel choices. ??
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)

I prefer Oliver Cromwell but he is dead, decapitated, and probably would not look so good on TV.

Essentially, it comes down to GOP whale donors are hateful critters that hate GOP voters. That is why the GOP gets shitty candidates at the national level. They depend on GOP donors to run their campaigns and in turn put shitty people in offices.

Look back on what a disaster the Shrub administration was---Colin Powell and his underlings lied, Heckuva job Brownie mishandled Katrina, you had Ashcroft, Comey and Mueller in office when Mueller was a DA in an office where Whitey Bulger was committing crimes all over Boston and the FBI was coaching him how to get away with blaming others. You had General Casey and other feckless pieces of shit as generals that threw away victory, Paul Bremer, idiot general of Iraq reconstruction, billions disappeared in Iraq and Afghanistan and then Shrub's Dem treasury secretary that started the meltdown in stocks in 08.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (oqoj8)

499 Putting forth policy positions that people can get behind is what running for office is all about.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (Y+l9t)

As long as we're feigning respectability, did DeSantis run on a six week abortion ban? Kind of weird that Democrat turnout was so uniquely low in the face of that.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:40 PM (DTm0P)

500 486 Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:35 PM (z9n5F)

Yup that is me, Sven shitlib.

Trump is the easiest target on Earth who was subjected when I force myself to be generous to an unprecedented media/civil service Jihad on a scale unknown....

I spent Jesus help me 7 years trying to paper them over for a political actor I agree with maybe 45% of the time given he is a human weathervane on multiple issues.

Chunk Yogurt and the Young Turks at least get 70% of what they want for their activism.

Have fun with your 70% win Trumpland, I don't know what you are winning but Trump swore we would win so much we would be tired of winning....

I did not win in 2020, quite the opposite I lost.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

501 Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:37 PM (xKGxx)

I could probably take you somewhat seriously if you weren't going to pretend 2020 wasn't rigged against us. Opinions don't bother me but come on let's not waste each other's time.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:40 PM (BXxcV)

502 Get outta here with that gay nonsense. DeSantis didn't even get more votes than Trump in Florida, but wants to pretend he's already winning Pennsylvania despite almost no national exposure.
Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:26 PM (DTm0P)

I believe it’s your Trump who loves the Ghey. I despise every single one of them, having seen them on the news since I was a kid in the 70s

And your bs about trump getting more votes in Florida is just that.

Get nasty all you want. But trump was very ineffective. Especially when someone was kissing his ass or he was managed by his moron son in law

Don’t like the stats? I’ll wait. If he’s the nominee I’ll vote for him. But not in the primary. And you aren’t convincing anyone with your lies.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (V8yYW)

503 I just want to autistically go on record again that I prefer Salazar.

I sadly have to back DJT. DJT is fat and crass. But funny.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (piiLl)

504 Kemp's slime because he had the temerity to win re-election, which Trump couldn't do.
Posted by: Theo

Kemp destroyed evidence of his 2018 election by having the tapes erased which was all the Diebold machines produced. He then entered into a single bidder contract with Dominion for the new voting system and coincidentally the salesman for that system was Kemp's chief aide over voting systems as Sec. of State. The Dems have him by the balls and own him.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (oqoj8)

505 Yeah, 2020 was definitely stolen, and we have a pretty good idea of how now.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (UVyKP)

506 As long as we're feigning respectability, did DeSantis run on a six week abortion ban? Kind of weird that Democrat turnout was so uniquely low in the face of that.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:40 PM (DTm0P)

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"DeSantis passes conservative policy and wins elections. What we need is a hopeless liberal who loses absolutely everything."

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:42 PM (xKGxx)

507 I've lived in ditches professionally as well, but they were GREAT ditches the best.
Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:36 PM (Lzpvj)

Dig ditches, get honey. Word.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:42 PM (DTm0P)

508 Kemp destroyed evidence of his 2018 election by having the tapes erased which was all the Diebold machines produced. He then entered into a single bidder contract with Dominion for the new voting system and coincidentally the salesman for that system was Kemp's chief aide over voting systems as Sec. of State. The Dems have him by the balls and own him.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (oqoj

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lmao

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:42 PM (xKGxx)

509 Look back on what a disaster the Shrub administration was---Colin Powell and his underlings lied, Heckuva job Brownie mishandled Katrina, you had Ashcroft, Comey and Mueller in office when Mueller was a DA in an office where Whitey Bulger was committing crimes all over Boston and the FBI was coaching him how to get away with blaming others. You had General Casey and other feckless pieces of shit as generals that threw away victory, Paul Bremer, idiot general of Iraq reconstruction, billions disappeared in Iraq and Afghanistan and then Shrub's Dem treasury secretary that started the meltdown in stocks in 08.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (oqoj

Bush family absolute curse on this nation.

Posted by: Thesokorus at April 21, 2023 07:42 PM (piiLl)

510 Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

You need to get out more. Like ace. It's okay if the old golden calf Donald Trump says mean things about the new golden calf Ron DeSantis, it's okay if the new golden calf Ron says mean things about the old one Don

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:43 PM (z9n5F)

511 I could probably take you somewhat seriously if you weren't going to pretend 2020 wasn't rigged against us. Opinions don't bother me but come on let's not waste each other's time.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:40 PM (BXxcV)

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Trump just sucks. Don't make it more complicated than it is. People don't like him and he lost.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:43 PM (xKGxx)

512 I could probably take you somewhat seriously if you weren't going to pretend 2020 wasn't rigged against us. Opinions don't bother me but come on let's not waste each other's time.
Posted by: ...

Dem troll theo is my estimation as it fits all the parameters in its posts. Disruption troll type probably--they are attracted to posts stirring up disagreements like flies on shit believing they are master manipulators.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:45 PM (oqoj8)

513 Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:43 PM (xKGxx)

He lost because they changed the rules, sometimes illegally, and did other illegal things, and they still had to stop counting at 2 am in three states to make sure he lost

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 07:45 PM (z9n5F)

514 Trump just sucks. Don't make it more complicated than it is. People don't like him and he lost.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:43 PM (xKGxx)

You're entitled to be ridiculous. I won't dissuade you.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:46 PM (BXxcV)

515 And your bs about trump getting more votes in Florida is just that.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (V8yYW)

5,668,731 Trump
4,614,210 DeSantis

How odd... Why would the Democrats have such a low turnout facing a six week abortion ban? Are you trying to say it's going to be a very popular policy, in Florida and beyond?

I'm mean, but I'm also right.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:46 PM (DTm0P)

516 494 Posted by: Black JEM at April 21, 2023 07:39 PM (UVyKP)

I posted at length things I had learned and gleaned doing open source intelligence gathering over at Insty's and by extension here. Insty and several people here sided with cowed medical professionals who wanted to pretend that CUOMO19 was the bubonic plague coupled with HIV like death numbers. Loads of "the real GOP base" which evidently now I am no longer a member of thank God for my next background check were screaming at the top of our lungs that the whole fucking thing was a political op designed to enable what happened.

Trump sided with Fauci end of story, and when the GOP governors said "fuck this we are opening" he attacked them for daring to go against him.

He damn near caused an intraparty civil war with his bullshit in Ohio, I had to bail my brother out on his mortgage because DJT's preferred policy was KILLING the small business lower middle class.

So now casting him as "The ONLY solution" well "no," and frankly-"hell no!"

None of that is aimed at anyone in this thread directly, but yeah there are posters who were at Insty who I am convinced were 4 or 5 year moles for retard policy choices.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:46 PM (Lzpvj)

517 Okay, I've had enough. Apparently people have already made up their minds and facts don't matter regardless of their source. Still waiting for someone to show me a DeSantis rino policy put in place because he received funding from a rino funding source even though he has not declared yet but of course he's just a liar and will turn on us once he gets elected but he can never get elected because of vote fraud so we may as well vote for Trump because he will lose anyways...
This reasoning makes sense to you all?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:47 PM (Y+l9t)

518 "It wasn't a "flu", it was a bioweapon and no one knew for sure what it was going to do or what might follow.

Anyone who wants to pretend they would have "done covid right" in an election year is full of more shit than even our most retarded trolls."

I worked at a clinic in the USAF in the early aughts. I was a medicolegal death investigator after that. When I first heard about the virus, it was a bunch of asymptomatic people testing positive and older/fat people getting really sick from it. Didn't even register as a concern for me and the people I worked with. I never wore masks and didn't catch it until Omicron. Got over it in a few days.

You can call it a "bioweapon" all you want. The fact is it wasn't killing people who weren't already at risk from other, more fatal conditions. Trump got played and it was the worst failure of his presidency.

But you also missed the point- the government had no right to tell people what risks they're allowed to take over a virus. The fact you're shilling for the government action of shutting down the private sector makes me think you don't understand what limited government really means.

Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:47 PM (tdbOv)

519 Dem troll theo is my estimation as it fits all the parameters in its posts. Disruption troll type probably--they are attracted to posts stirring up disagreements like flies on shit believing they are master manipulators.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:45 PM (oqoj

Given that this thread should have died two hours ago I don't mind. I really dig you, trev, sharon and sven, so I'm having a blast.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:47 PM (BXxcV)

520 Given that this thread should have died two hours ago I don't mind. I really dig you, trev, sharon and sven, so I'm having a blast.
Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:47 PM (BXxcV)

If you're having fun, anything can be worthwhile.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:48 PM (DTm0P)

521 5,668,731 Trump
4,614,210 DeSantis

How odd... Why would the Democrats have such a low turnout facing a six week abortion ban? Are you trying to say it's going to be a very popular policy, in Florida and beyond?

I'm mean, but I'm also right.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:46 PM (DTm0P)

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Remember when Trump bête noire Brian Kemp signed into law a six-week ban? Then forced Stacey Abrams, who actually outspent him?

He won easily. Same as Mike DeWine, who won by 25 points.

For the people whining that 2020 was rigged, strange the Dems didn't just rig it against those fellas. Yeah, yeah, they're in on it, I guess.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:48 PM (xKGxx)

522 I don't know what Trumper argument is better, than DeSantis should wait until '28 when he'd be a shoe-in. Even though they're all certain Trump will win and he'll have a VP that would surely run.

Or "Trump got more votes in Florida" as if there's no difference in turnout between a presidential election year and not.

Posted by: Oscar Meyer at April 21, 2023 07:50 PM (sHtXk)

523 But you also missed the point- the government had no right to tell people what risks they're allowed to take over a virus. The fact you're shilling for the government action of shutting down the private sector makes me think you don't understand what limited government really means.

Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:47 PM (tdbOv)

I'm far from shilling for the government. I called out the stupid "lockdowns" for what they were long before many.

They were enacted locally and by state and we couldn't stop them. Trump tried to nudge us into "opening up by Easter" and they wouldn't let him. The whole world closed and it sucked.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:50 PM (BXxcV)

524 Trump went against Fauci as early as March of 2020 when it was a risk to do so.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:52 PM (BXxcV)

525 Or "Trump got more votes in Florida" as if there's no difference in turnout between a presidential election year and not.
Posted by: Oscar Meyer at April 21, 2023 07:50 PM (sHtXk)

Ron DeSantis raised more than $100 million and is, allegedly, one of the most popular governors in the state. It's entirely reasonable to ask if he can expand on the RNC/ Trump effort of 2020. If not, at best he's a gamble.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 07:53 PM (DTm0P)

526 Look other than Trev and his strange respect thing I bear no one here personal enmity.

That said, black pillers join 'em I guess.

I damn near did not back Trump in 2016, me "I have hated the donks since I was 4 in 76" Sven almost sat out.

I lost people internet wise I considered friends over it like they have not gotten in touch with me for 7 years over this shit.

I took the gamble because Trump was an unknown and Hillary was damn sure known.

Biden is not really running the nation, and I do not think Trump will be either if he wins because the GOP retard brigade in alliance with the US "absolutely NOT partisan" Civil Service and the US Military will go to whoever is in charge right now.....and it is not Jill Biden either.....my money is on ValJar or Susan Rice doing Urkle's bidding.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:53 PM (Lzpvj)

527 I did not win in 2020, quite the opposite I lost.
Posted by: sven

Simply put, how many people would have been up for a Civil War starting post 2020 election. That is why Scotus caved and every single important court delayed or outright denied rampant violations of elections law, demonstrated irregularities in vote reporting, and then a massive conglomeration of shitasses bragging We Did It in that post election Time article. When you cross the Rubicon, you have to have your troops behind you--Trump looked back and the legions weren't there--even the Jan. 6 pageant was rigged as Pence double crossed Trump at the last minute and General Milley Vanilli was committing treason.

Almost no one in office on Jan 6th, will look good in about 20-30 years as the truth dribbles out. The Dems will look like coup leaders, the GOP as their co conspirators, and all of the bureaucracy in DC rising up in unison to cause a riot so that the great grifting machine could keep on grifting. Basically, Trump was like Nixon after losing the tapes case at Scotus, bereft of friends and surrounded by enemies that even then took a post unconstitutional impeachment kick at his head.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:53 PM (oqoj8)

528 521 Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 07:48 PM (xKGxx)

Ohio reunified at the last minute....it was a near ran thing and my last election as a Buckeye.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:54 PM (Lzpvj)

529 "I'm far from shilling for the government. I called out the stupid "lockdowns" for what they were long before many."

Then why defend Trump by calling it a bioweapon and saying anyone critical of his action is retarded? Some of us saw through the bullshit from the get go. I was all about Trump until his response to the virus. He's still touting the vaccine, which is completely unnecessary for the majority of people.

Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:54 PM (tdbOv)

530 Ron DeSantis raised more than $100 million and is, allegedly, one of the most popular governors in the state. It's entirely reasonable to ask if he can expand on the RNC/ Trump effort of 2020. If not, at best he's a gamble.
Posted by: trev006
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A lot (maybe 70 percent) of that was raised in his governor's race and it takes some doing to use for a presidential race. You have to find a Florida candidate that is running for state office that has federal money (like a congress critter) in a bank account. Not impossible to do but not something done at the last minute either as the spending is required in places like NH and IA along with SC.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:56 PM (oqoj8)

531 I'm glad that I've been entertaining you all seeing as I think I'm the only 'ette here.
Have a good one.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 21, 2023 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

532 Kemp destroyed evidence of his 2018 election by having the tapes erased which was all the Diebold machines produced. He then entered into a single bidder contract with Dominion for the new voting system and coincidentally the salesman for that system was Kemp's chief aide over voting systems as Sec. of State. The Dems have him by the balls and own him.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:41 PM (oqoj


I hate to interrupt the fun but Diebold exited the voting machine business before 2010.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 21, 2023 07:58 PM (98o/I)

533 Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:54 PM (tdbOv)

I was specifically talking about people who say three years later they would have handled being the leader of the free world better in that situation because it was all a big nothing burger.

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:58 PM (BXxcV)

534 Given that this thread should have died two hours ago I don't mind. I really dig you, trev, sharon and sven, so I'm having a blast.
Posted by: ...

Heh.

I rarely get mad on posts anymore aside from people making unfair personal attacks on others or insulting people that don't have the tastes of others in shopping etc. A rare troll with little beyond looking up stuff on the internet for a reply is nothing compared with epic flamewars on Usenet and even here--Empire of Jeff was in his own league as far as flaming someone or something.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 08:01 PM (oqoj8)

535 533 Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 07:58 PM (BXxcV)

If China unleashed a bioweapon...let me ring some bells here not to pat my own back let me remind people....

"we are facing a hollowed out gain of function experiment that either willfully or accidentally went into the wild and if we are lucky it will have a .3-1% lethality range amongst people with comorbidities to respiratory distress"

That ring a bell? I wrote it BEFORE Mardi Gras and the Chinese Lunar New Year based on news reports from the Chinese/Indian border and Hong Kong with cites.

If a dumb guy who uses a raccoon avatar got that right BEFORE Pelosi acknowledged the reality of Covid how did the smartest manager in the history of mankind manage to miss that Anthony Fauci had the receipts?

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:02 PM (Lzpvj)

536 I hate to interrupt the fun but Diebold exited the voting machine business before 2010.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

BINO you work for Dominion obviously directly or as a subcontractor but the machines were made way back for the 2002 elections and those machines were used until the 2018 election but were on their way out via federal lawsuits at that time.

In essence, fuck off. No one wants you here.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 08:04 PM (oqoj8)

537 2022 had the 2nd highest midterm voter turnout since 2002

Florida bucked that with fairly apathetic voter turnout. GOP turnout was closer to "normal," Dems didn't show up. No surprise with Crist as their candidate

It could be a warning sign for DeSantis that he didn't inspire a bigger GOP turnout in 2022, or it could be irrelevant

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 21, 2023 08:04 PM (z9n5F)

538 537 2022 had the 2nd highest midterm voter turnout since 2002

Florida bucked that with fairly apathetic voter turnout. GOP turnout was closer to "normal," Dems didn't show up. No surprise with Crist as their candidate

It could be a warning sign for DeSantis that he didn't inspire a bigger GOP turnout in 2022, or it could be irrelevant
Posted by: deepelemblues
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Remains to be seen on charisma. It is hard to figure who has it until tested. Clinton, for better or worse had it particularly for suburban women. Bob Dole not so much. Reagan had it on the GOP side, Ford not so much. Don't like him but Obama has it for a lot of Millenials. Biden has the charisma of a drunk clown in bad grease paint who insults the audience.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 08:07 PM (oqoj8)

539 Look other than Trev and his strange respect thing I bear no one here personal enmity.

That said, black pillers join 'em I guess.

I damn near did not back Trump in 2016, me "I have hated the donks since I was 4 in 76" Sven almost sat out.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 07:53 PM (Lzpvj)

Right back atcha! I have no idea what makes Trump a worse candidate than Romney or either of the Bushes, but his successes on multiple policy fronts are why some people think his legacy will be more enduring than Reagan's. Hell, his legacy already endures- Trump is still the leader of the party and no one else currently comes close.

Even if elections don't matter, so what? The economy is being driven into the ground deliberately, as your brother could tell you, while Russia and China may soon be at war with America. You can try to check out, or embrace the madness. And if ballot boxes no longer matter, there are alternatives.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 08:07 PM (DTm0P)

540 Arguing vote count in Florida in different cycles is ... weird.

In 2016, Rubio outperformed DJT by 3.4 points (about 200k votes).

In 2022, DeSantis outperformed Rubio by 1.5 points (about 150k votes).

So clearly DeSantis > Rubio > Trump! QED. That's just the fuck'n way it is!



(Obviously this is a stupid way to compare anything, esp potential national performance)

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at April 21, 2023 08:10 PM (/MNvO)

541 BINO you work for Dominion obviously directly or as a subcontractor but the machines were made way back for the 2002 elections and those machines were used until the 2018 election but were on their way out via federal lawsuits at that time.

In essence, fuck off. No one wants you here.

Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 08:04 PM (oqoj

I've been involved with election technology and election integrity since the 2000 recount. I've never worked for any of the manufacturers or vendors. For about 15 years after 2000 my job was evaluating that technology for states who were considering it. And DoD. Now I work in small local government(s).

As I said hours after the 2020 race was called until finally giving up shortly after J6 and bailing on this place that I really loved the machines reliably counted every single ballot that was fed into them. I've been proven correct. The idiots still blaming Dominion, Smartmatic or any other vendor have done catastrophic damage to election integrity and I doubt it will be restored in my lifetime.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 21, 2023 08:11 PM (98o/I)

542 539 Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 08:07 PM (DTm0P)

The New Patagonia Yacht Club.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:14 PM (Lzpvj)

543 If a dumb guy who uses a raccoon avatar got that right BEFORE Pelosi acknowledged the reality of Covid how did the smartest manager in the history of mankind manage to miss that Anthony Fauci had the receipts?

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:02 PM (Lzpvj)

I think he was politically cornered and said so at the time. I've never said he handled it perfectly just that he was in an election year and had no one around he could trust and was being blamed for every sneeze and death. The whole thing was bullshit but "it worked didn't it".

Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 08:16 PM (BXxcV)

544 541 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 21, 2023 08:11 PM (98o/I)

A ballot may or may not be a legal vote, I have no doubt that your flawless machines counted everything fed to them exactly as they were marked....and now that same DOD acts like doubting that everything fed to them was legit....

but hey Philly having 118% turnout 3 elections in a row is awesome.

Glad blue hellholes are so "civically minded."

How many people in the 9th ward can spell the words "civic virtue" Brian?

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:17 PM (Lzpvj)

545 Oh yeah, Trump knew full well there was nothing wrong with the machines. He sent his clown-car full of washed up lawyers out to lie to you because hand recounts couldn't be done in time to change anything. He intentionally lied to you. At this point it seems clear he gets off on having an army of imbeciles that will believe anything he says.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 21, 2023 08:19 PM (98o/I)

546 A lot (maybe 70 percent) of that was raised in his governor's race and it takes some doing to use for a presidential race. You have to find a Florida candidate that is running for state office that has federal money (like a congress critter) in a bank account. Not impossible to do but not something done at the last minute either as the spending is required in places like NH and IA along with SC.
Posted by: whig at April 21, 2023 07:56 PM (oqoj

Oh, I know Florida is expensive. And right now estimates are that DeSantis has $500 million for the Presidential run. But all that money implies DeSantis has a major machine, and he tailored his message to Florida while running against a very unpopular White House occupant.

Posted by: trev006 at April 21, 2023 08:21 PM (DTm0P)

547 543 Posted by: ... at April 21, 2023 08:16 PM (BXxcV)

Had he been engaged in the proper oversight he would have known Fauci was cutting checks to Wuhan.

I'm sorry I felt that way then, I said "of course it is natural Fauci has the receipts" even then and Judicial Watch proved it this week.

Best case scenario is Saint Fauci is a fucking retard who inadvertently funded gain of function research that led to all hell breaking loose.....

worst case scenario is this was a stone cold op they were keeping handy for "in case of emergency break glass!" and they broke it.

Regardless the Executive Branch and its ostensible leader were a monkey fucking a football.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:21 PM (Lzpvj)

548 BINO

I appreciate you

I definitely appreciate you more than someone who claims that he has the right to state who belongs or doesn’t belong. Having done lots of stats in the past I know how difficult it is to do when your priors are so poor.

Like many here, I was convinced they screwed with the machines. Especially after I saw the vote surge. But knowing that they were harvesting votes in Georgia like they did in California explains that.

Orange County beat the harvesters in the last election. If people weren’t so apathetic on voting it can be done again.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 08:23 PM (CgiBX)

549 545 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 21, 2023 08:19 PM (98o/I)

So mail in imaginary friend balloting often done as ordered by courts in violation of state law....so long as some ZuckBucks jackass puts it on the right punchcard it is a vote right Bri?

I also appreciate you pretending that doubting six toilets all simultaneously breaking at once and flipping exactly what was needed to flip states is fishy is lunacy.

Missed you Buddy, would miss you more were you gone longer I ENJOY missing you.

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:24 PM (Lzpvj)

550 De Santis got a greater percentage of off year votes than trump did in his on year. In the end it’s the percent that matters.

Again, I’ll await the primaries.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 08:26 PM (CgiBX)

551 548 Posted by: Justin Castreau at April 21, 2023 08:23 PM (CgiBX)

Hey if BINO says the system worked why beat the harvesters?

I guar-an-fucking tee we can hire people to have the Ohio Volunteer Cavalry from 1864 vote GOP again.

You may recall I penned "Mirror Universe John Boehner?"

You want free Shit AMerica? Send a self-addressed stamped envelope with your voting data to "GOP CONGRESS.ORG and we will give you 5 mill a head!"

Posted by: sven at April 21, 2023 08:27 PM (Lzpvj)

552 Great post Ace, I can definitely feel the love you put into it.

Posted by: Draki at April 21, 2023 08:50 PM (h4QKj)

553 Jesus H Christ.

Anyone who thinks that DeSantis is actually "winning" ANYTHING in his fight with Disney is an IDIOT. He has not won a goddam thing and very likely won't. Disney is destroying itself by embracing #WOKE and will utlimately be their own undoing and nobody will be able to differentiate their demise from their self inflicted wounds and DeSantis ineffectual nonsense.

ALL of this anti-trans, anti-#WOKE culture war BS is window dressing. If you focus on that you are giving the game away. There is no politician alive that is going to win a national election by ranting about anti-WOKE BS.

Yes, we all hate it. But it definitively IS NOT CLOSE to the top issues this country actually faces, nor is it something you can actually address through legislation.

But you guys keep focusing on that like the idiotic social conservatives focused on nonsense for decades. Where's Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee when you need them ? I bet they're spitting mad at all this WOKENESS.

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 08:58 PM (OeYsY)

554 As I said hours after the 2020 race was called until finally giving up shortly after J6 and bailing on this place that I really loved the machines reliably counted every single ballot that was fed into them. I've been proven correct. The idiots still blaming Dominion, Smartmatic or any other vendor have done catastrophic damage to election integrity and I doubt it will be restored in my lifetime.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 21, 2023 08:11 PM (98o/I)

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What - the fuck - ever. The Democrat Fraud machine has done INFINITELY more damage to "eLeCtiOn iNtEgRiTy" that whatever the hell you're babbling about. The notion that the average voter knows FUCKALL about your pet issue is fucking HILARIOUS

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:01 PM (OeYsY)

555 I have to say I feel the same way here. Trump's attacks have really been a turn off. Why not focus ire at the Dems? Talk up about how good things were going pre-Covid. Talk about returning to those times? Instead we have attacks against one of the most successful current GOP governors. We have accusations of inappropriateness with teenage girls or maybe even that he's gay. It's like throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. It's really unpresidential. That said, if he's the nominee I'd vote for him.

Posted by: MH at April 21, 2023 09:10 PM (NY/iv)

556 You can call it a "bioweapon" all you want. The fact is it wasn't killing people who weren't already at risk from other, more fatal conditions.

Posted by: Haimerej at April 21, 2023 07:47 PM (tdbOv)

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Yes, it absolutely was in the early stages. As viruses do, it mutated to be less and less severe. Healthcare workers were dying at the beginning. Not everywhere, but at the epicenters of infection, they absolutely were. For 99% of people it was nothing, but for 1% of people, that included healthy people who were unlucky enough to be in the path of the early strains, it was.

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:12 PM (OeYsY)

557 I love you, Ace. I’ve been reading you for many years. In fact, I jumped in to the comment section one time, as a Hot Air refugee, and found it to be a little intimidating. But, I’m still reading every day.
I’m old, just turned 72. I know that’s not a good thing for most, but for me I have a lifetime of experience. My first vote was for Nixon.
In all of the elections that followed, there has not been one President who fulfilled his promises the way that Trump has, not even Reagan, whom I dearly love.
I think that, first, one needs to look at who is backing a candidate. That will tell one a lot about how they will,govern.
I will not vote,for someone who is backed by Murdoch, Rove and Paul Ryan.
I’m hoping DeSantis will find others to back him for 2028. I’m hoping one of them will be Trump. If DeSantis is smart, he will make sure that happens.
To get this country back, that appears to be a no brainer to me.
Peace out!

Posted by: Kakypat at April 21, 2023 09:18 PM (lVkoK)

558 What - the fuck - ever. The Democrat Fraud machine has done INFINITELY more damage to "eLeCtiOn iNtEgRiTy" that whatever the hell you're babbling about. The notion that the average voter knows FUCKALL about your pet issue is fucking HILARIOUS

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:01 PM (OeYsY)

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The average voter hates Trump and thinks Biden won fairly, so if you want to reference the "average voter"...

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 09:19 PM (xKGxx)

559 Good post. I think you ought to have broken this up and posted commented as events happened, but I understand why you don't (or haven't so far).

I would suggest that the perspective that gets eclipsed by these groomer-curious and Fauci-like proclamations by Trumpworld is that DeSantis is not running to win a vanilla fair fight for delegates against Trump, which he was always going to lose by exactly the amount he's losing by now. He's running because, as crazy as it may sound, the then-78-year-old who will be defending 3 or 4 criminal indictments might not be alive, coherent, or free enough to be on a presidential ticket in November 2024.

For DeSantis not to run and just sit aghast in shock as Pence is defaulted the nomination when the Totally Unforseeable Event happens next year would be idiotic.

Posted by: Funkotron at April 21, 2023 09:21 PM (dV6hr)

560 Also, great job thinking that re-litigating the utter, across the board DISASTER that was and is Covid is the way to go.

It isn't. Covid was a disaster for EVERYONE. There was no answer that was going to be correct for everyone, everywhere. And surely not for the neurotic idiot Democrats.

Mistakes were made - EVERYWHERE. Are you seriously expecting ANY politician to offer mea culpas for that ?

If so, you're dumb as fuck. NONE of them are

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:30 PM (OeYsY)

561 He's running because, as crazy as it may sound, the then-78-year-old who will be defending 3 or 4 criminal indictments might not be alive, coherent, or free enough to be on a presidential ticket in November 2024.

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Yeah, good one. There is no such thing as "free enough". The requirements for the job are in the constitution. I must have missed the part about being "free enough". He could be a convicted felon sitting in a jail and he'd still be "free enough"

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:32 PM (OeYsY)

562 Trump repeatedly said, in 2016, that he could convince Congress through one means or another to get a wonderful agenda through. If you're now saying Congress sabotaged him, that means Trump's either incompetent or a liar.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:54 PM (xKGxx)


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So, for the record, what level of retard are you, exactly ?

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:38 PM (OeYsY)

563 There is no such thing as an "average voter. That is a sophomoric strawman.

Posted by: pawn at April 21, 2023 09:39 PM (wsHtO)

564 Can any republican get the nomination without prolife support? The prolife community has been the most reliable constituency for a long time. A six week ban may cost DeSantis the presidency, but it can really help with the nomination. Politics is persuasion and DeSantis needs to match his prolife credentials to Trump's and then add in the North Carolina bathroom issue, and support for groomer Disney and AB. The only way prolife support is nullified is in open primary states where democrats actively vote for the worst republican. There is a really damaging story to be told about Trump and if it's told the right way (getting rolled by Fauci, criticizing FL and GA for opening, the negative health effects of the vaccines, other stuff) he could easily lose the nomination.

Posted by: john010 at April 21, 2023 09:42 PM (Zc9Yr)

565 So, for the record, what level of retard are you, exactly ?

Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:38 PM (OeYsY)

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Cry harder over Trump's total failure, loser.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 09:51 PM (xKGxx)

566 I posted on Grandmama Sundance's site last night, asking Sundance why Don jr. demanded to stop the Bud boycott and why DJT was supporting Disny, while I reminded Sundance that Andrew Breitbart (who sundance supposedly takes inspiration from) told us all that "politics is downstream from culture".
Of course my comments were moderated and never saw the light of day. I don't know what has happened to Sundance but he/she has become a hardcore DJT dickrider.

Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 09:51 PM (0AUR/)

567 Posted by: john010 at April 21, 2023 09:42 PM

That's not a rhetorical question anymore, like it used to be. Everyone who opposed partial birth abortion or even observed that Roe v Wade was not constitutional got painted as a pro-lifer for 50 years.

But the people who were "pro-life" a year ago are not going to be "pro-life" in 2024, 2026, 2028. As a pro-lifer observed upthread, for many Dobbs was the ends, not the means. The number of Republicans who want to ban all or nearly all abortions is a minority in the party, whereas striking down Roe was a majority position (which even odd liberal law nerds would agree with if you got them drunk).

So it's an open question at this point. While it might be bad national politics, a 6 week ban was certainly good state policy for a red-state governor who *isn't* running for president. If you notice, many red states are running the blue city playbook the last couple of years. They're deliberately adopting loud, noisome, controversial policies to repulse and repel liberals fleeing shitholes like California.

Posted by: Funkotron at April 21, 2023 09:52 PM (dV6hr)

568 it will be newsom
Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)
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Omg you have completely jumped the shark and the dead whale. Nutcase nevertrump syndrome.

Posted by: Spyro GyroAgnew at April 21, 2023 09:59 PM (/21VN)

569 So, for the record, what level of retard are you, exactly ?
Posted by: deadrody at April 21, 2023 09:38 PM (OeYsY)

Trumpie, 2016:
1) "Lock her up". No.
2): "Build the Wall". No.
3) "Drain the Swamp". Emphatic NO. Trumpie left us in a FAR worse place because he dithered while Rome burned.

Then the Covid debacle and J6.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself the question,
"So, for the record, what level of retard are you, exactly ?".

Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 10:02 PM (0AUR/)

570 Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 10:02 PM (0AUR/)

None of that matters, for some reason.

Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 10:03 PM (xKGxx)

571 Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 10:03 PM (xKGxx)

I hear you, the delusion is overwhelming.

Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 10:04 PM (0AUR/)

572 Trump repeatedly said, in 2016, that he could convince Congress through one means or another to get a wonderful agenda through. If you're now saying Congress sabotaged him, that means Trump's either incompetent or a liar.
Posted by: Theo at April 21, 2023 06:54 PM (xKGxx)

Not only that, Trumpie said he would make "beautiful deals" with Pelosi and Schumer. That should have been a Red Flag for all.
Then he said he would never sign the 2018 Budget to only acquiesce less than 24 hours later.
Trumpie then allowed McConnell to convince him to nominate Kavanaugh and Barret to SCOTUS, both are barely marginal, AT Best. The damnable evidence that Trumpie is a fraud goes on and on ....

Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 10:12 PM (0AUR/)

573 Omg you have completely jumped the shark and the dead whale. Nutcase nevertrump syndrome.
Posted by: Spyro GyroAgnew at April 21, 2023 09:59 PM (/21VN)


Trumpie dickrider syndrome.

Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 10:14 PM (0AUR/)

574 What a deeply troubling molehill. Why that changes everything.

Posted by: OzzieNelson at April 21, 2023 10:21 PM (pVtLy)

575 Two trolls felating each other.

Ugh.

Posted by: pawn at April 21, 2023 10:34 PM (wsHtO)

576 it will be newsom

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM

You really think so ? I'm in CA and he's not all that popular here


Posted by: It's me donna at April 21, 2023 05:48 PM

Elections since 2018 and going forward have nothing to do with popularity or who can get the most votes. All of our elections since 2018 have been pre-determined. 2024 has been pre-determined as well. Whoever the Deep State wants to be in office will "win" their elections. President, Senators, Congressmen, District Attorneys, Secretaries of State, Attorneys General, Governors, etc. All pre-determined.

That should have been evident to everyone after the 2020 election rigging and steal and the 2022 Arizona Governor election rigging and steal. We have not lived in a representative republic with free elections since 2018. And with nothing done about it, we will not see free elections anytime in the near future. The ranting about this candidate or that candidate is futile and pointless.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 10:47 PM (Do5/p)

577 Yep. I saw an interesting article the other day suggesting that the Constitution had already been displaced (that might not be the right word) and Americans simply hadn't been informed. I'll try to dig it up.

Posted by: We ended the Cold War by lying to Russia. They remember. at April 21, 2023 05:54 PM

The US Constitution is just a piece of paper. It holds no authority over anyone if those in power do not respect it as having any authority.

Just like the average laws. When those in positions of authority to uphold those laws state that those laws no longer will be enforced -- "space to destroy", illegal immigration laws, election laws, rioting laws, looting laws, any number of criminal laws no longer enforced in cities across the country -- then the laws become meaningless.

The same is true -- and has been true for many years -- regarding the US Constitution. We have not lived in a Constitutional Republican for years, maybe decades. Those in power since at least January 2009 have been ignoring the Constitution. And schools have been teaching the past 2 generations to have no respect for the Constitution or the nation's laws.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 11:05 PM (Do5/p)

578 Varys stated in "Game of Thrones":

"Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick, a shadow on the wall."

The Marxist Left has been grooming the American population to believe that the power in the country does not reside in the US Constitution or any of its laws. The younger generations are not patriotic and have no love of the country, its laws or its Constitution. This is by design. This is a result of the Marxist Left Long March through the Institutions.

And the Marxist Left has been taking things even further over the last couple decades since they have taken over all the institutions. They are training the younger generations to not respect science or biology as well. And they have shattered everyone's sense of trust in healthcare and medical institutions.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 11:13 PM (Do5/p)

579 it will be newsom

Posted by: ace at April 21, 2023 05:47 PM (iHBZj)

Nope. Witmer.


Posted by: Auspex at April 21, 2023 05:56 PM

Newsom-Whitmer does seem like the perfect ticket for the Deep State. Newsom is 56, Whitmer is 52. Sets up Newsom for '28 and then Whitmer for '32 and '36 when Agenda 2035 is officially ushered in.

And both have been at the lead in pushing the WEF Energy Agenda, especially with the auto industry in their respective states.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 21, 2023 11:21 PM (Do5/p)

580 Trump only loves phony buttkissers. and that is why he failed.

He’s turning into the same super-annoying NYC liberal that many of us believed he was.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 21, 2023 11:21 PM (7OF7k)

581 MISS ME YET?

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at April 21, 2023 11:24 PM (d0g15)

582 Trumpie dickrider syndrome.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at April 21, 2023 10:14 PM (0AUR/)

I COULD SHOOT MY CULTIST SUPPORTERS ON FIFTH AVENUE AND THOSE DUMB RUBES WOULD STILL WORSHIP ME AND LET ME FUCK THEIR WIVES!

LOSERS! CUCKS! SAD!

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at April 21, 2023 11:28 PM (d0g15)

583 Ignore it Sharon. ForeverTrump is a cult and they're all going to get new MAGA Nikes and drink funny tasting fruit punch before Trump comes down on his big, beautiful comet and flies them to the promised land.

Stope the steal? Stop the squeal.

Posted by: stv at April 21, 2023 11:55 PM (/dqoc)

584 Well the man is a mixed bag for sure. I'm grateful that he did the good things that he did but he went off the cliff with the covid stuff. And this homosexual business, starting with the worship of sodomy, it has got to go. It's about transhumanism and the destruction of the natural family and it's also intensely misogynist. Lesbians are man haters but there aren't nearly as many of them and they're not as noisy.

Posted by: Beverly at April 22, 2023 12:28 AM (OToMc)

585 I think I may be done with Trump. If someone doesn't show up who I can back in 2024, I may not vote.

Never thought I would say such a thing. But it's true that voting only encourages them.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at April 22, 2023 01:53 AM (Mzdiz)

586 My two cents:

1. Conservatives are the base of the GOP.

2. Conservatives will not vote for RINOs any longer. See Georgia 2020 Senate runoffs and 2022 Mid-Terms.

3. The GOP cannot win elections without Conservatives.

4. There are only two candidates Conservatives will vote for in 2024 (Trump and/or DeSantis).

5. Trump and/or DeSantis will be the GOP nominee.

6. If you are a Conservative you will vote for the GOP nominee.

Posted by: Muthaucker at April 22, 2023 09:03 PM (pN0Zg)

587 "if you are a Conservative you will vote for the GOP nominee."

No. That was the pact the Never Trumpers broke. It is no longer in effect. The Right kept them in camp, even enabled them to commit more treachery (Glenn Reynolds, John Hinderaker) when they should have been regarded as traitors. This is the consequence for that. Never voting "for the good of the party" again.


Posted by: Fen at April 23, 2023 02:55 AM (+LcMo)

588 As for "conservative", I'm a direct descendant of Burke. My father ran Texas for the Goldwater campaign and named me after him, and I've been loyal for 40 years. So I think I can speak with some authority that Conservatism has inherent weaknesses that make it unsuitable to fight Marxism. It's dated, playing Queensbury Rules about tone and civility while the Marxists are literally gunning us down for wearing a Trump shirt.

I don't think French and Kristol out outliers, I think they are leading indicators.

A more vigorous political movement is needed, one that is not afraid to use violence to defeat Marxism. Unfortunately, that enters terrain that is very dangerous.

Posted by: Fen at April 23, 2023 03:03 AM (+LcMo)

589 Case in point: I keep seeing complaints about having to "explain Trump" to other people. I have never heard a Democrat say that about their leaders.

Posted by: Fen at April 23, 2023 03:07 AM (+LcMo)

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Posted by: Norris Judge at April 29, 2023 07:18 PM (DxLs4)

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