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Andrew McCarthy: This "Indictment" Does Not Even Contain an Actual Indictment
Even the National Review softcocks object to this latest brutalization of the law and our Democratic Norms by the party they softly support.
Andrew McCarthy:What a disgrace.Alvin Bragg commits an even greater abuse: He has indicted a man while refusing to say, 34 times out of 34, what crime the man is being indicted for. He's concealing this because, if he specified that he's attempting to enforce federal election law, the case would be dismissed instantly: A state prosecutor has no power to enforce federal law. (Not to mention, the FEC already looked at the Stormy Daniels payment and decided that no law had been violated, bringing up the doctrine of federal preemption: the state cannot rule in an area a competent federal body has already decided.) So instead of admitting what law he is pretending to be prosecuting, Alvin Bragg just says, literally, "the law doesn't require me to disclose what law I'm claiming was violated, so I'm not disclosing that."
It's always possible to be surprised. The indictment brought by Manhattan's elected Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg against Donald Trump is even worse than I'd imagined. Bragg's indictment fails to state a crime. Not once . . . but 34 times. On that ground alone, the case should be dismissed -- before one ever gets to the facts that the statute of limitations has lapsed and that Bragg has no jurisdiction to enforce federal law (if that's what he's trying to do, which remains murky). Bragg's indictment charges 34 counts, just as we said it would, based on media reporting that clearly came from illegal leaks of grand-jury information -- a crime, you can be sure, that goes in the overflowing bucket of serious offenses that Bragg refuses to prosecute. The 34 counts are arrived at by taking what is a single course of conduct and absurdly slicing it into parts, each one of which is charged as a separate felony carrying its own potential four-year prison term. Trump reimbursed Michael Cohen in monthly installments during 2017 for the $130,000 paid to porn star Stormy Daniels right before the 2016 election for her silence about an alleged affair. That, in reality, is a single transaction: Trump paying back a debt to Cohen. Yet, because Trump paid in installments and each installment includes an invoice from Cohen, a bookkeeping entry by the Trump Organization, and a payment to Cohen by check, Bragg not only charges each monthly installment separately; he subdivides the installments into installments (as if the invoice, book entry, and check were independent criminal events). Voilà, one transaction becomes 34 felonies! As I observed a few days ago, this is exactly the sort of abusive behavior that rogue prosecutors engage in, and thus that the Justice Department admonishes federal prosecutors to avoid. Here -- from the Manhattan DA's office that the legendary lawman Robert Morgenthau led for 34 years, no less -- we now have as egregious an example of this low tactic as one can find. In a real prosecutor's office, the district attorney is the adult who makes sure his inexperienced young subordinates don't abuse their enormous power this way. In the Manhattan DA's office, Bragg is the exemplar of abuse.
The worst due-process abuse of Bragg's indictment, however, is that . . . it's not an indictment. The Constitution's Fifth Amendment guarantees that Americans may not be accused of a serious crime -- essentially, a felony -- absent an indictment approved by a grand jury. The indictment has two purposes. First, it must put the defendant on notice of exactly what crime has been charged so that he may prepare his defense. Second, the indictment sets the parameters for the defendant's closely related right to double-jeopardy protection, also set forth in the Fifth Amendment. That is, by stating the crime charged, the indictment enables the defendant to claim a double-jeopardy violation if the prosecutor attempts to try him a second time on the same offense. Here, the indictment fails to say what the crime is. Bragg says he is charging Trump with felony falsification of records, under Section 175.10 of New York's penal code. To establish that offense, Bragg must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump caused a false entry to be made in his business records, and did so with an intent to defraud that specifically included trying to "commit another crime or aid or conceal the commission" of that other crime. Nowhere in the indictment does the grand jury specify what other crime Trump fraudulently endeavored to commit or conceal by falsifying his records. That is an inexcusable failure of notice. The indictment fails to alert Trump of what laws he has violated, much less how he violated them. If any prosecutor were ever daft enough in the future to accuse Trump of falsifying records to conceal, say, a federal campaign-finance crime, Bragg's indictment would be useless for double-jeopardy purposes because it doesn't specify what criminal jeopardy Trump is in. We needn't speculate why Bragg is being so coy about this. He doesn't have another crime. At his press conference, be blathered about federal campaign-finance law, but he knows he lacks jurisdiction to enforce federal law. He further mumbled something about state election laws, but those -- as you might imagine -- apply to elections for state office, not the presidency. And the DA's stream of consciousness about Trump's intent to defraud tax authorities is belied by the fact that he does not accuse Trump of evading taxes -- despite having already prosecuted the Trump organization for tax evasion, a case that neither named Trump as a defendant nor cited the hush-money scheme as a source of tax crimes.In any conspiracy case, you are required to state what crime the conspirators conspired to perform. The law is just called "conspiracy," but it always requires the prosecutor to specify what crime is being conspired. You can't have a conspiracy to commit a legal act -- that's not a conspiracy, that's just an agreement. Or a business partnership. But Alvin Bragg, who sent out Day One memo instructing all prosecutors to no longer bring felony charges except for a handful of the crimes that make the covers of newspapers, but instead to charge them as mere misdemeanors (and plead down from there!), is now treating a misdemeanor (which Trump isn't even guilty of) as a felony by invoking a conspiracy to further a felony -- and then refusing to say what felony he's claiming was so furthered. Soviet criminal enforcement chief Lavrenty Beria infamously said, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." But Alvin Bragg is going his Communist Tyrant role-model one better: "Show me the man, and I won't show you the crime -- but I'll prosecute and persecute him anyway." The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed. But he wants to inflict maximum damage on Trump and cause maximum turmoil in the party, so he scheduled the next hearing for December -- just a month before people start voting in the primaries in January.
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2023 12:12 PM (XHLJ8)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2023 12:12 PM (XHLJ8)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2023 12:12 PM (XHLJ8)
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John Hinderaker at Powerline also has a good read this is bullshit
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (fk4jQ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (XHLJ8)
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Ridiculous!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (Y+l9t)
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"National Review are such cucks."
-David French
-David French
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (LvTSG)
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Dont not do the crime if you cant not do the time.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (BRHaw)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (XHLJ8)
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Good read from Ben Stein on AmSpectator on the BS indictment
Posted by: Ziba at April 05, 2023 12:14 PM (4h9M3)
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all bullshit...all the time.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:14 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:14 PM (t0OGg)
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I hope Bragg gets aids.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (d2bW3)
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I actually saw some tweets yesterday of people complaining about Trump's right to a speedy trial being denied, because they wanted Trump prosecuted that much faster.
But they were phrasing it as a "speedy trial" issue.
But they were phrasing it as a "speedy trial" issue.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (zZu0s)
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The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed. But he wants to inflict maximum damage on Trump and cause maximum turmoil in the party, so he scheduled the next hearing for December -- just a month before people start voting in the primaries in January.
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Prediction:
By November, it's going to be obvious that Trump is the nominee when DeSantis never even enters the race and Trump won't have been below a 40 point lead over his Republican competition for months.
The judge will allow the trial to go forward, but it'll be so obviously a show trial that it will only increase Trump's popularity.
New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
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Prediction:
By November, it's going to be obvious that Trump is the nominee when DeSantis never even enters the race and Trump won't have been below a 40 point lead over his Republican competition for months.
The judge will allow the trial to go forward, but it'll be so obviously a show trial that it will only increase Trump's popularity.
New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
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And Turtle has not even poked his scrawny wrinkled neck out of his shell to defend the country.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
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"Andrew McCarthy: This "Indictment" Does Not Even Contain an Actual Indictment"
Just as my teeth are yellow and contain no trace of white. Same for my drawers.
Just as my teeth are yellow and contain no trace of white. Same for my drawers.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (J47y1)
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Question from a nonlawyer: doesn't this sort of behavior subject Bragg to possible federal charges for civil rights violations? Who would file such charges, Merrick Garland?
Never mind.
Never mind.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (eOEVl)
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17 And Turtle has not even poked his scrawny wrinkled neck out of his shell to defend the country.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
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And he's still in power.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
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And he's still in power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)
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Bragg's indictment fails to state a crime. Not once . . . but 34 times. On that ground alone, the case should be dismissed -- before one ever gets to the facts that the statute of limitations has lapsed and that Bragg has no jurisdiction to enforce federal law (if that's what he's trying to do, which remains murky).
And yet Trump agreed to an 8 month delay before the next pleading.
And yet Trump agreed to an 8 month delay before the next pleading.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (yQpMk)
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Dont not do the crime (to be named later) if you cant not do the time.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (BRHaw)
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Fixed it.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2023 12:13 PM (BRHaw)
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Fixed it.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: JoeF. at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (O5N4T)
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New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
Wouldn't matter since the WIGOP is so incompetent that there's no way he'll win there.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
Wouldn't matter since the WIGOP is so incompetent that there's no way he'll win there.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (wmDcS)
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Ridiculous.
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (DRSnL)
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As I've been saying since 2017, it is all about Narrative and they have it now for six months or more.
Crowd out all other news, let them repeat the same buzzphrases and lies over and over all day every day. Hush Money, 34 Counts, Fraud, etc
That's all this is. That's all it's been all this time. Not that they wouldn't also like to "get" him. But this is good enough. Just as it was when Mueller Time finally arrived and he was a doddering old Biden, not Clarence Darrow. The point is they got their 2.5 years of breathless baseless attacks in. And man while Trump doesn't get to lay out his vision for the future.
Crowd out all other news, let them repeat the same buzzphrases and lies over and over all day every day. Hush Money, 34 Counts, Fraud, etc
That's all this is. That's all it's been all this time. Not that they wouldn't also like to "get" him. But this is good enough. Just as it was when Mueller Time finally arrived and he was a doddering old Biden, not Clarence Darrow. The point is they got their 2.5 years of breathless baseless attacks in. And man while Trump doesn't get to lay out his vision for the future.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (gjkES)
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McCarthy and all the other legal eagles examining this "indictment" are wasting their time. Lee Smith said it best:
"That conservative legal experts are going through the indictment shows people still don’t get it. Of course it’s fake, like Russiagate and all that followed. It’s supposed to be fake — it’s information war, that’s what’s real."
The dems don't care that it's all BS. They're just going to keep dirtying him (and us) up and monopolizing the news cycles with their lies so no one can see the evil that's really going on.
"That conservative legal experts are going through the indictment shows people still don’t get it. Of course it’s fake, like Russiagate and all that followed. It’s supposed to be fake — it’s information war, that’s what’s real."
The dems don't care that it's all BS. They're just going to keep dirtying him (and us) up and monopolizing the news cycles with their lies so no one can see the evil that's really going on.
Posted by: IrishEi at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (3ImbR)
Posted by: Manhattan judge and jury at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (kJ8xU)
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Well played, Mr Bragg.
Posted by: Zombie Kafka at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (SIRiz)
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"No crime, no problem, we'll indict anyway! After all, it's a campaign promise, I gotta keep it!"
This is a Harvard Law grad.
Harvard. Law.
This is a Harvard Law grad.
Harvard. Law.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (jTmQV)
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30 "No crime, no problem, we'll indict anyway! After all, it's a campaign promise, I gotta keep it!"
This is a Harvard Law grad.
Harvard. Law.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (jTmQV)
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Law schools are going to produce more and more people like Bragg.
This is a Harvard Law grad.
Harvard. Law.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (jTmQV)
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Law schools are going to produce more and more people like Bragg.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (LvTSG)
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This "Indictment" Does Not Even Contain an Actual Indictment"
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Well, if he had wanted you to know, he would have told you.
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Well, if he had wanted you to know, he would have told you.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (FVME7)
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New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
Would not surprise me
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
Would not surprise me
Posted by: It's me donna at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (bs+z0)
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We are all Josef K., now.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (SIRiz)
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2. From August 2015 to December 2017, the Defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the Defendant’s electoral prospects.
In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws and made and
caused false entries in the business records of various entities in New York. The participants also took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of the scheme.
ok US Code please
18 U.S. Code Chapter 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES
591 thru 617 Pick one.
In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws and made and
caused false entries in the business records of various entities in New York. The participants also took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of the scheme.
ok US Code please
18 U.S. Code Chapter 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES
591 thru 617 Pick one.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (BRHaw)
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John Hinderaker at Powerline also has a good read this is bullshit
Posted by: Skip
In a way, this is all irrelevant, as Alvin Bragg and the Media will have their day, smearing Donald Trump now and in the future.
Bragg may even get a conviction from his jury, and maybe it gets overturned on appeal, and maybe not. It will drag on for years.
The process is the punishment.
CNN has a poll that says 60% of the people approve of this, but most of us have no idea exactly what Donald Trump was charged with. Writing checks to Cohen?
The CNN poll, inaccurate as it likely is, shows us the "other side " of this farcical nonsense. There are many people in government and the media that want Trump out of the picture...in prison or dead.
Trump has money and lawyers to fight this onward legally....but the rest of us likely do not have those resources. So when the "law" comes for us, what then do we do?
Posted by: Skip
In a way, this is all irrelevant, as Alvin Bragg and the Media will have their day, smearing Donald Trump now and in the future.
Bragg may even get a conviction from his jury, and maybe it gets overturned on appeal, and maybe not. It will drag on for years.
The process is the punishment.
CNN has a poll that says 60% of the people approve of this, but most of us have no idea exactly what Donald Trump was charged with. Writing checks to Cohen?
The CNN poll, inaccurate as it likely is, shows us the "other side " of this farcical nonsense. There are many people in government and the media that want Trump out of the picture...in prison or dead.
Trump has money and lawyers to fight this onward legally....but the rest of us likely do not have those resources. So when the "law" comes for us, what then do we do?
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (vcOmj)
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Prediction:
By November, it's going to be obvious that Trump is the nominee when DeSantis never even enters the race and Trump won't have been below a 40 point lead over his Republican competition for months.
The judge will allow the trial to go forward, but it'll be so obviously a show trial that it will only increase Trump's popularity.
I'll bet the DA goes for the death penalty, because why not? The penalty will be carried out, and then they'll apologize for mistakes made.
By November, it's going to be obvious that Trump is the nominee when DeSantis never even enters the race and Trump won't have been below a 40 point lead over his Republican competition for months.
The judge will allow the trial to go forward, but it'll be so obviously a show trial that it will only increase Trump's popularity.
I'll bet the DA goes for the death penalty, because why not? The penalty will be carried out, and then they'll apologize for mistakes made.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (eOEVl)
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Even the proverbial ham sandwich gets to know what you're charging it with.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (9UlRk)
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To give you an Idea of how illegitimate Bragg is and elections generally in NYC.
Bragg got 84 pct of the vote over his GOP opponent, he got a grand total of 212k votes to win.
To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Bragg got 84 pct of the vote over his GOP opponent, he got a grand total of 212k votes to win.
To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
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It's like being charged by an angry girlfriend.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (SIRiz)
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This "Indictment" Does Not Even Contain an Actual Indictment
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And?
Posted by: Manhattan judge and jury at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (kJ8xU)
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It worked, didn't it?
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And?
Posted by: Manhattan judge and jury at April 05, 2023 12:17 PM (kJ8xU)
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It worked, didn't it?
Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (krQz2)
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Show me the man and I'll show you the jail.
Posted by: Fat Alvin at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (63Dwl)
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Jordan, great minds think alike
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (Y+l9t)
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If Andrew “DOJ & FBI are top men” McCarthy is on Trump’s side here you know it’s weak sauce.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (GPGR5)
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So instead of admitting what law he is pretending to be prosecuting, Alvin Bragg just says, literally, "the law doesn't require me to disclose what law I'm claiming was violated, so I'm not disclosing that."
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Easier to lie without detail.
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Easier to lie without detail.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (t0OGg)
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NPR commentator to compare Trump's court appearance to Hitler's 1924 "Putsch" trial in 5, 4, 3, 2...
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (vpm59)
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39 To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
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Sometimes I question whether the voting rolls in NYC are accurate...and then I realize it's a bad thought, and then I remember that I love Big Brother.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
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Sometimes I question whether the voting rolls in NYC are accurate...and then I realize it's a bad thought, and then I remember that I love Big Brother.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: garrett dusts off an oldie at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (SIRiz)
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Trump was one of the better President's we've had, and even though he made America prosperous for everyone, they still hate him.
How's that Biden economy working for ya?
How's that Biden economy working for ya?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (d2bW3)
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (eOEVl)
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"That conservative legal experts are going through the indictment shows people still don’t get it. Of course it’s fake, like Russiagate and all that followed. It’s supposed to be fake — it’s information war, that’s what’s real."
The dems don't care that it's all BS. They're just going to keep dirtying him (and us) up and monopolizing the news cycles with their lies so no one can see the evil that's really going on.
Posted by: IrishEi
EXACTLY!!
The dems don't care that it's all BS. They're just going to keep dirtying him (and us) up and monopolizing the news cycles with their lies so no one can see the evil that's really going on.
Posted by: IrishEi
EXACTLY!!
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (vcOmj)
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No matter the outcome of this 'trial' , the left really wants to administer the solution favored by leftists throughout history, bullet to the back oc the head. It's their precious.
Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (MF3yS)
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National Review Softcocks would be a great name for their company softball team. Well played Ace
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (386ly)
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Nowhere in the indictment does the grand jury specify what other crime Trump fraudulently endeavored to commit or conceal by falsifying his records. That is an inexcusable failure of notice.
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It isn't a failure of notice. Bragg, in his press conference yesterday, assured us that it was to cover up a violation of New York State election/campaign logs. What more do you want?
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It isn't a failure of notice. Bragg, in his press conference yesterday, assured us that it was to cover up a violation of New York State election/campaign logs. What more do you want?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (t0OGg)
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The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed. But he wants to inflict maximum damage on Trump and cause maximum turmoil in the party, so he scheduled the next hearing for December -- just a month before people start voting in the primaries in January.
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Does it mean they want a weakened candidate, that will be rejected by the general populace ? Or what??
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Does it mean they want a weakened candidate, that will be rejected by the general populace ? Or what??
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (i4jdL)
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The indictment fails to alert Trump of what laws he has violated, much less how he violated them.
They're still looking for them...
They're still looking for them...
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (uQPen)
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The problem is what is the mob going to do with the torches and pitchforks for 8 months?
Will they be able to hold on for that long?
Trust me, no.
Will they be able to hold on for that long?
Trust me, no.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (krQz2)
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Way to push the envelope, Alvin Bragg!
Posted by: Joseph Stalin at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (gmo/4)
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Soviet criminal enforcement chief Laventy Beria infamously said, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." But Alvin Bragg is going his Communist Tyrant role-model one better: "Show me the man, and I won't show you the crime -- but I'll prosecute and persecute him anyway."
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Eh, it's what Beria meant. Show a crime if you can, do it anyway if you can't.
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Eh, it's what Beria meant. Show a crime if you can, do it anyway if you can't.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (t0OGg)
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It's like charging Bill Clinton with a separate perjury count for each word he used in his perjured statement.
Posted by: Axeman
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Like charging a bank robber with 10,057 counts of robbery, one for each dollar stolen in the heist.
Posted by: Axeman
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Like charging a bank robber with 10,057 counts of robbery, one for each dollar stolen in the heist.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (Vwz3I)
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55 Does it mean they want a weakened candidate, that will be rejected by the general populace ? Or what??
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (i4jdL)
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It means that Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein.
If Trump didn't exist, the Left would just need to create another Emmanuel Goldstein.
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (i4jdL)
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It means that Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein.
If Trump didn't exist, the Left would just need to create another Emmanuel Goldstein.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (LvTSG)
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To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
In fairness, aren't 25%+ of NYC residents alien foreigners who shouldn't vote?
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
In fairness, aren't 25%+ of NYC residents alien foreigners who shouldn't vote?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (yQpMk)
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In Soviet America, no underlying crime prosecute you!
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (RGIpg)
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CNN has a poll that says 60% of the people approve of this, but most of us have no idea exactly what Donald Trump was charged with.
And yet, for some reason, Trump will win the election. Sure.
And yet, for some reason, Trump will win the election. Sure.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)
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Very disturbing and sickening turn of events yesterday. Here's a D.A. who has successfully ad-libbed his way with indictments with toothpicks and Scotch tape. We are doomed. There is no way to pretty it up.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (ySZtE)
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The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed. But he wants to inflict maximum damage on Trump and cause maximum turmoil in the party, so he scheduled the next hearing for December -- just a month before people start voting in the primaries in January.
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It's astounding that Trump's lawyers agreed to that. What the hell is going on?
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It's astounding that Trump's lawyers agreed to that. What the hell is going on?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (t0OGg)
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Jordan, great minds think alike
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (Y+l9t)
Hey Sharon! I scrolled up and saw you beat me to it.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:19 PM (Y+l9t)
Hey Sharon! I scrolled up and saw you beat me to it.
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (DRSnL)
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Prediction:
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
I'm not sure we can predict much beyond them making up twenty more incensing injustices that go way beyond the pale and throwing them at Trump and us.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
I'm not sure we can predict much beyond them making up twenty more incensing injustices that go way beyond the pale and throwing them at Trump and us.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (cy817)
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (jTmQV)
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I got "softcocks" from Ethan Van Sciver but I think he got it from the meme-right.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (iHBZj)
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I am unclear how a Grand Jury can vote to approve an indictment without actually being presented with the underlying crime. Yet that is exactly what happened here. I'm therefore curious what legal actions can be taken against those sitting on a grand jury, who one would assume were charged with their specific duties, and then violated their oath by convicting someone of an offense for which no criminal offense was presented.
It's far past the time where we should be going after juries whose soul purpose is to serve as biased political hangmen.
It's far past the time where we should be going after juries whose soul purpose is to serve as biased political hangmen.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (J47y1)
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There really is no layer of Hell deep enough for these bastards.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (YIVH2)
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It is silly to think law has any relevance at this point, ace.
"Soviet criminal enforcement chief Laventy Beria infamously said, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." But Alvin Bragg is going his Communist Tyrant role-model one better: "Show me the man, and I won't show you the crime -- but I'll prosecute and persecute him anyway."
Now that, however, is good stuff!
"Soviet criminal enforcement chief Laventy Beria infamously said, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." But Alvin Bragg is going his Communist Tyrant role-model one better: "Show me the man, and I won't show you the crime -- but I'll prosecute and persecute him anyway."
Now that, however, is good stuff!
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (KSNKu)
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64 CNN has a poll that says 60% of the people approve of this, but most of us have no idea exactly what Donald Trump was charged with.
And yet, for some reason, Trump will win the election. Sure.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)
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And yet, for some reason, the media and the left will also not pursue any other GOP candidate in the same way.
I remember when Mitt Romney murdered a woman with cancer.
And yet, for some reason, Trump will win the election. Sure.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (eOEVl)
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And yet, for some reason, the media and the left will also not pursue any other GOP candidate in the same way.
I remember when Mitt Romney murdered a woman with cancer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
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"Alexa, if Trump prevails in the current legal situation he finds himself in, will he shock the monkey?"
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (vpm59)
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I'll allow it.
Posted by: Hawaii judge at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (m9Acq)
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (BRHaw)
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>> I got "softcocks" from Ethan Van Sciver
Did you try wearing Lingerie?
... or maybe just crushing up one of those little blue pills and mixing it into his pudding?
Did you try wearing Lingerie?
... or maybe just crushing up one of those little blue pills and mixing it into his pudding?
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (SIRiz)
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Not only is this a fraudulent indictment on a ficticious 'crime', it is being done in coordination with the white house. Subpoena Bragg's communications.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (lTGtQ)
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I got "softcocks" from Ethan Van Sciver but I think he got it from the meme-right.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (iHBZj)
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Ah. Well, it's new to me and so I give you full credit.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (iHBZj)
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Ah. Well, it's new to me and so I give you full credit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (t0OGg)
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>>I remember when Mitt Romney murdered a woman with cancer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
And drove cross-country with her in a dog-crate mounted to the roof of his car.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
And drove cross-country with her in a dog-crate mounted to the roof of his car.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (vpm59)
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Trump has money and lawyers to fight this onward legally....but the rest of us likely do not have those resources. So when the "law" comes for us, what then do we do?
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (vcOmj)
You will face a choice. Die on your feet or live on your knees.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (vcOmj)
You will face a choice. Die on your feet or live on your knees.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (pohLc)
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Sooooo.....It's not an "indictment" indictment then.
Posted by: Animitronics Mechanic at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (ncXxy)
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Not only is this a fraudulent indictment on a ficticious 'crime', it is being done in coordination with the white house. Subpoena Bragg's communications.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yeah, I'll get right on it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yeah, I'll get right on it.
Posted by: Merrick Garland at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (t0OGg)
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81 >>I remember when Mitt Romney murdered a woman with cancer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
And drove cross-country with her in a dog-crate mounted to the roof of his car.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (vpm59)
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It was far worse than Obama going to a church run by a man who hated white people and America.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
And drove cross-country with her in a dog-crate mounted to the roof of his car.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (vpm59)
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It was far worse than Obama going to a church run by a man who hated white people and America.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
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And yet, for some reason, the media and the left will also not pursue any other GOP candidate in the same way.
Of course they will. But Trump is sui generis. The media and the left would try to do the same things to DeSantis, but a lot more people would say "nah".
Of course they will. But Trump is sui generis. The media and the left would try to do the same things to DeSantis, but a lot more people would say "nah".
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
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The soft cocks of lowered expectations!
Posted by: John Patrick Moynihan at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (krQz2)
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So where is Trumps legal motion to dismiss?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (kJ8xU)
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It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees.
Posted by: That Old Italian Pimp at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (yQpMk)
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I need to daft a letter saying I will not report to jury duty, or respond to requests to do so.
The legal system has not held up to their end of the bargain, the duty to follow the Constitution.
I will base this on the Trump case.
The legal system has not held up to their end of the bargain, the duty to follow the Constitution.
I will base this on the Trump case.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (u82oZ)
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The Dems are gonna be picking Our Candidate.. Either they want Trump because they think he's easily beatable or they are afraid Trump might win... This is all a waste of time since "voting" is being determined by the cheat.....
Posted by: It's me donna at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (bs+z0)
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Show me the Soros DA and I'll show you the crime.
Posted by: t-beria at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (ptElO)
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I am unclear how a Grand Jury can vote to approve an indictment without actually being presented with the underlying crime. Yet that is exactly what happened here. I'm therefore curious what legal actions can be taken against those sitting on a grand jury, who one would assume were charged with their specific duties, and then violated their oath by convicting someone of an offense for which no criminal offense was presented.
It's far past the time where we should be going after juries whose soul purpose is to serve as biased political hangmen.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (J47y1)
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Several years ago, when I sat on a local grand jury at the circuit court level, the Prosecuting Attorney was very clear about each crime that was being prosecuted. We were also provided a physical copy of the relevant statutes so that we could read for ourselves what each crime meant and the criminal penalties for each crime.
Totally transparent. Of course, we have an awesome Prosecuting Attorney, not a piece of garbage like Bragg.
It's far past the time where we should be going after juries whose soul purpose is to serve as biased political hangmen.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (J47y1)
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Several years ago, when I sat on a local grand jury at the circuit court level, the Prosecuting Attorney was very clear about each crime that was being prosecuted. We were also provided a physical copy of the relevant statutes so that we could read for ourselves what each crime meant and the criminal penalties for each crime.
Totally transparent. Of course, we have an awesome Prosecuting Attorney, not a piece of garbage like Bragg.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (YIVH2)
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Softcocks....there's an Rx for that, now.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (AwYPR)
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CNN has a poll that says 60% of the people approve of this, but most of us have no idea exactly what Donald Trump was charged with.
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THIS... is CNN
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THIS... is CNN
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (/F4Jb)
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (SIRiz)
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Trump has money and lawyers to fight this onward legally....but the rest of us likely do not have those resources. So when the "law" comes for us, what then do we do?
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (vcOmj)
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Typically?
Take a plea that results in a long-term elimination of many or most of your rights and a large chunk of your net worth, because the alternative is long-term imprisonment and loss of your entire net worth.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (vcOmj)
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Typically?
Take a plea that results in a long-term elimination of many or most of your rights and a large chunk of your net worth, because the alternative is long-term imprisonment and loss of your entire net worth.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (t0OGg)
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Even the proverbial ham sandwich gets to know what you're charging it with.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM
Everything that guy said about my client, Mr. Ham Sandwich, is bullshit!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM
Everything that guy said about my client, Mr. Ham Sandwich, is bullshit!
Posted by: Johnny Coldcuts, Esq. at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (XHLJ8)
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It's astounding that Trump's lawyers agreed to that. What the hell is going on?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (t0OGg)
I'm not claiming 3d chess but I'm pretty sure they and Trump know this isn't the only op. Trying to control the timeline is a waste of energy. He's "fully cooperating".
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:21 PM (t0OGg)
I'm not claiming 3d chess but I'm pretty sure they and Trump know this isn't the only op. Trying to control the timeline is a waste of energy. He's "fully cooperating".
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (AveMB)
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McCarthy and Erik Erickson and others GOP limpdicks are already shifting their hopes to GA.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (wmDcS)
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So where is Trumps legal motion to dismiss?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (kJ8xU)
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His head lawyer said a *bunch* of them are coming.
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (kJ8xU)
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His head lawyer said a *bunch* of them are coming.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (krQz2)
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And the GOP continues to confirm Trump was right to slam them.
I say this because the GOP is obviously okay with PDT being charged for the crime of actually caring about America.
I say this because the GOP is obviously okay with PDT being charged for the crime of actually caring about America.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (2YtOq)
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53 National Review Softcocks would be a great name for their company softball team. Well played Ace
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (386ly)
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Since it would be all trans-women, the women's team could then be the National Review Harddicks?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (386ly)
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Since it would be all trans-women, the women's team could then be the National Review Harddicks?
Posted by: Ciampino -- Pre-empt? at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (qfLjt)
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He, he, he, chuckle, chuckle.
Posted by: Joe "Rolling Stone" Biden at April 05, 2023 12:25 PM (ySZtE)
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Not only is this a fraudulent indictment on a ficticious 'crime', it is being done in coordination with the white house. Subpoena Bragg's communications.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (lTGtQ)
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They'll just hide behind "Executive Privilege" which only applies if you are not Trump.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (lTGtQ)
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They'll just hide behind "Executive Privilege" which only applies if you are not Trump.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (YIVH2)
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CNN has a poll that says 60% of the people approve of this, but most of us have no idea exactly what Donald Trump was charged with.
And yet, for some reason, Trump will win the election. Sure.
Posted by: Archimedes
The world has passed us by. And by "us", I mean all the commenters, lurkers and people of similar mind to Ace of Spades.
No, Donald Trump will not be elected in 2024. And though I like Ron DeSantis and bear him no ill will, he can't win either.
We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost. I really feel bad for my sons, who are in their 20's.
If we're lucky, we might get put on a "reservation" to live out our lives.
And yet, for some reason, Trump will win the election. Sure.
Posted by: Archimedes
The world has passed us by. And by "us", I mean all the commenters, lurkers and people of similar mind to Ace of Spades.
No, Donald Trump will not be elected in 2024. And though I like Ron DeSantis and bear him no ill will, he can't win either.
We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost. I really feel bad for my sons, who are in their 20's.
If we're lucky, we might get put on a "reservation" to live out our lives.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (vcOmj)
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Diversity is our strength!
Posted by: Shut Up and D.I.E. at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (WmGrA)
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86 Of course they will. But Trump is sui generis. The media and the left would try to do the same things to DeSantis, but a lot more people would say "nah".
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
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The GOPe and the soft Republicans will only mobilize for a candidate like Asa Hutchinson.
DeSantis would become "worse than Trump who was literally Hitler" and Mitch would dictate that every national organization cut him off. Fox News would follow suit.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
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The GOPe and the soft Republicans will only mobilize for a candidate like Asa Hutchinson.
DeSantis would become "worse than Trump who was literally Hitler" and Mitch would dictate that every national organization cut him off. Fox News would follow suit.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (LvTSG)
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@62
>>In fairness, aren't 25%+ of NYC residents alien foreigners who shouldn't vote?
I would wager it's more like 40 pct based on my last visit.
But still, the point remains, these jerkwads are being elected by margins that are absurdly low and are given tremendous power to literally change the course of history and the lives of every person on this planet and it's being done with the vote equivalent of the number of people you could fit in a phone booth.
>>In fairness, aren't 25%+ of NYC residents alien foreigners who shouldn't vote?
I would wager it's more like 40 pct based on my last visit.
But still, the point remains, these jerkwads are being elected by margins that are absurdly low and are given tremendous power to literally change the course of history and the lives of every person on this planet and it's being done with the vote equivalent of the number of people you could fit in a phone booth.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (XFPre)
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>>>Even the National Review softcocks object to this latest brutalization of the law and our Democratic Norms by the party they softly support.
Meh. Too little, too late. Dig the canal.
Meh. Too little, too late. Dig the canal.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (7R+co)
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It's astounding that Trump's lawyers agreed to that. What the hell is going on?
Trump's only play is to be a martyr, the more outrageous the better. Thus, he'll make sure this stuff is in the news when GOP primary voters are voting. And just as the Dems intend, it will make him the nom, and a sure general election loser.
Trump's only play is to be a martyr, the more outrageous the better. Thus, he'll make sure this stuff is in the news when GOP primary voters are voting. And just as the Dems intend, it will make him the nom, and a sure general election loser.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (eOEVl)
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>>It's astounding that Trump's lawyers agreed to that. What the hell is going on?
at the risk of starting The Fight, Trump may see the indictment as his best way of defeating a plainly superior candidate, so he can go on to the general election weakened and tainted and lose disastrously, and then we can start immediately agitating for Trump 2028.
And you know we will. And we'll just keep saying, I don't believe the polls, and I also don't believe the election results.
at the risk of starting The Fight, Trump may see the indictment as his best way of defeating a plainly superior candidate, so he can go on to the general election weakened and tainted and lose disastrously, and then we can start immediately agitating for Trump 2028.
And you know we will. And we'll just keep saying, I don't believe the polls, and I also don't believe the election results.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (iHBZj)
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The media and the left would try to do the same things to DeSantis, but a lot more people would say "nah".
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hahahahaha
Yeah, I guess we can go with that timeline. It's just as good as "people who saw their vote stolen in 2020 and their savings and futures destroyed won't vote for Trump because he said pussy and is also now a convicted felon"
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hahahahaha
Yeah, I guess we can go with that timeline. It's just as good as "people who saw their vote stolen in 2020 and their savings and futures destroyed won't vote for Trump because he said pussy and is also now a convicted felon"
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (/F4Jb)
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This is an incredibly depressing day for sane people. The conservative judge lost in Wisconsin and the socialist won the mayor's race in Chicago. A NY prosecutor gets a former President arraigned on what amounts to misdemeanor charges in front of the biggest audience in the world.
Nothing can be done because the people who live in these Metropolises are insane. Crime, homelessness, mental illness, anarchy and perversion.They deserve everything they get. The problem is that they insist on forcing it on us.
Nothing can be done because the people who live in these Metropolises are insane. Crime, homelessness, mental illness, anarchy and perversion.They deserve everything they get. The problem is that they insist on forcing it on us.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (Y+l9t)
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Trump has a Constiutional right to a speedy trial and December ain't that (probably hearing on various motions) should file interlocutory appeal on issue of motion to dismiss with prejudice for failure to state a crime
Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (iOTWL)
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We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost.
*begins Ghost Dance*
*begins Ghost Dance*
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (yQpMk)
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111 Trump's only play is to be a martyr, the more outrageous the better. Thus, he'll make sure this stuff is in the news when GOP primary voters are voting. And just as the Dems intend, it will make him the nom, and a sure general election loser.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (eOEVl)
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Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (eOEVl)
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Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (LvTSG)
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I'm not a legal expert at all by why doesn't Bragg have any risk in prosecution?
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (eGTCV)
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64, 74 - Between this Bragg nonsense and the WI SC ballot results yesterday and the 2020 election rigging and the 2022 election rigging (see Kari Lake and Fetterlump) and etc etc….. reincarnated 1984 RR wouldn’t win; neither would zombie Abe Lincoln. The 2024 election is over and everything else is all sound and fury signifying nothing.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (GPGR5)
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Diversity is our strength!
Posted by: Shut Up and D.I.E. at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (WmGrA)
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Fuck you!
Posted by: Shut Up and D.I.E. at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (WmGrA)
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Fuck you!
Posted by: Ignorance at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (krQz2)
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Trump is calling for McCarthy-Luntz to defund the DOJ and FBI.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (DMyTF)
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DeSantis would become "worse than Trump who was literally Hitler" and Mitch would dictate that every national organization cut him off. Fox News would follow suit.
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I bet Desantis raped some girl in the 80s through her one-piece bathing suit.
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I bet Desantis raped some girl in the 80s through her one-piece bathing suit.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (/F4Jb)
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This has done nothing but solidify the vote for Trump. I've entertained the notion that perhaps he should sit this one out. I am now convinced the entire future of any opposition to Democrats rests on his re-election- and this proves Democrats feel the same way. One does not go to these extreme, precedent setting subversions and risk it all if you're confident of a win. You are looking to take out or weaken a political opponent because you fear his prowess.
I therefore believe DeSantis and some others will have their chance. But that time is somewhere in the future. We need to get behind Trump in a way that not only gets home elected, but crushes Democrats for generations. This is the clarion call to do that.
I therefore believe DeSantis and some others will have their chance. But that time is somewhere in the future. We need to get behind Trump in a way that not only gets home elected, but crushes Democrats for generations. This is the clarion call to do that.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (J47y1)
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>>It's astounding that Trump's lawyers agreed to that.
There's nothing to agree to. The Court sets the Dates.
Remember, this is Manhattan. That Court has a retarded case load, no doubt.
There's nothing to agree to. The Court sets the Dates.
Remember, this is Manhattan. That Court has a retarded case load, no doubt.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (SIRiz)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (lTGtQ)
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@ -82 I agree with Xipe Totec Johnson!
Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (MF3yS)
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>>You will face a choice. Die on your feet or live on your knees. Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 05, 2023 12:23 PM (pohLc)
Die on the commode from an aneurysm while passing an opiate-induced brick, with an astonished look on your face, as Alexa reads back your shopping list to you and the dogs start barking at the Amazon guy who just left a parcel on the doorstep.
Ahmad Tea, Special Blend, for Mrs. Zod, if you must know.
Die on the commode from an aneurysm while passing an opiate-induced brick, with an astonished look on your face, as Alexa reads back your shopping list to you and the dogs start barking at the Amazon guy who just left a parcel on the doorstep.
Ahmad Tea, Special Blend, for Mrs. Zod, if you must know.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (vpm59)
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121 Trump is calling for McCarthy-Luntz to defund the DOJ and FBI.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (DMyTF)
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"We said we would fight. Not, you know, actually win anything."
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (DMyTF)
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"We said we would fight. Not, you know, actually win anything."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (LvTSG)
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>>His head lawyer said a *bunch* of them are coming.
But why didn't Trump go back in time and produce them before the indictment!!
But why didn't Trump go back in time and produce them before the indictment!!
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)
130
17 And Turtle has not even poked his scrawny wrinkled neck out of his shell to defend the country.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
Turtle's opportunity to defend the country was during the 2022 elections. Using his control of PAC money, he pulled money from winnable races. Ones that would have given the GOP control of the Senate. McConnell is even more useless than a post turtle.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
Turtle's opportunity to defend the country was during the 2022 elections. Using his control of PAC money, he pulled money from winnable races. Ones that would have given the GOP control of the Senate. McConnell is even more useless than a post turtle.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (N39Ws)
131
Of course they will. But Trump is sui generis. The media and the left would try to do the same things to DeSantis, but a lot more people would say "nah".
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
You assume the Dems will only cheat if Trump is the GOP nominee?? Bad assumption
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
You assume the Dems will only cheat if Trump is the GOP nominee?? Bad assumption
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (GPGR5)
132
>> Trump has a Constiutional right to a speedy trial
Only if he does not waive that right. And most do.
Only if he does not waive that right. And most do.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (SIRiz)
133
The media and the left would try to do the same things to DeSantis, but a lot more people would say "nah".
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
You'd be surprised.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
You'd be surprised.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (IuS79)
134
And yet Trump agreed to an 8 month delay before the next pleading.
Did Trump have options here? If he demands his right to a "speedy trial" and the judge says "that's as speedy as it gets," what can Trump do? This is a real, non-rhetorical question BTW; I really don't know.
Did Trump have options here? If he demands his right to a "speedy trial" and the judge says "that's as speedy as it gets," what can Trump do? This is a real, non-rhetorical question BTW; I really don't know.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (nfrXX)
135
Mentioned earlier, I heard back from one of my (ahem) Republican Senators on the RESTRICT Act this morning:
Paraphrase:
"China is bad. If it compromises the rights of Americans it will be quickly struck down by the Supreme Court."
Go ahead and accept that the RESTRICT Act is as good as passed, guys. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the timing of their Trump soap opera.
Paraphrase:
"China is bad. If it compromises the rights of Americans it will be quickly struck down by the Supreme Court."
Go ahead and accept that the RESTRICT Act is as good as passed, guys. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the timing of their Trump soap opera.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (/F4Jb)
136
@103 I doubt the National Review transwomen could get harddicks even with Viagra
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (386ly)
137
>>>This has done nothing but solidify the vote for Trump.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
138
"We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost"
In that case, I will quote my favorite saying from the natives.
"Today is a good day to die!"
In that case, I will quote my favorite saying from the natives.
"Today is a good day to die!"
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (jTmQV)
139
HE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK
STATEMENT OF FACTS
IND-71543-23
-against
DONALD J. TRUMP,
Defendant.
https://tinyurl.com/5eppppd7
PS it does not cite 1 single law
STATEMENT OF FACTS
IND-71543-23
-against
DONALD J. TRUMP,
Defendant.
https://tinyurl.com/5eppppd7
PS it does not cite 1 single law
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (BRHaw)
140
Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
This argument again? If neither Trump nor DeSantis can overcome the cheat, why do you care who the nom is?
This argument again? If neither Trump nor DeSantis can overcome the cheat, why do you care who the nom is?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (eOEVl)
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137 >>>This has done nothing but solidify the vote for Trump.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
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I dunno.
We now have Marcus T saying that he's fully on the Trump train.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
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I dunno.
We now have Marcus T saying that he's fully on the Trump train.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (LvTSG)
142
Are they planning a domino effect here? GA waits 2-3 months and indicts, Smith waits until Fall and indicts, SDNY comes up with some BS and indicts...
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (WzJYQ)
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There's nothing to agree to. The Court sets the Dates.
Remember, this is Manhattan. That Court has a retarded case load, no doubt.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (SIRiz)
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I wonder if the lawyers objected to the date. I kinda doubt it, but I don't know. Cameras were banned for a reason.
Remember, this is Manhattan. That Court has a retarded case load, no doubt.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (SIRiz)
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I wonder if the lawyers objected to the date. I kinda doubt it, but I don't know. Cameras were banned for a reason.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (t0OGg)
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So Trump was just summoned to court for propaganda purposes?
Then again, that would have been the case if there was an actual crime in the indickment.
Then again, that would have been the case if there was an actual crime in the indickment.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (0WHdY)
145
Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05
What about me?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05
What about me?
Posted by: AZ at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (kJ8xU)
146
Welp, according to the verbiage in the 6th amendment of that totally old like, piece of paper or something, it says:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to... be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation..."
Appears Fart Bragg sorta forgot that bit...
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to... be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation..."
Appears Fart Bragg sorta forgot that bit...
Posted by: Box Culvert, aboard the banana boat to chaos town. at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (mFCvH)
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>>His head lawyer said a *bunch* of them are coming.
But why didn't Trump go back in time and produce them before the indictment!!
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)
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Because it's not like he's Ron DeSantis!
But why didn't Trump go back in time and produce them before the indictment!!
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:28 PM (ZLI7S)
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Because it's not like he's Ron DeSantis!
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (krQz2)
148
Alvin Bragg couldn't smooth a silk sheet if he had a hot date with Dylan Mulvaney.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (KaRdo)
149
We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost.
Me!
Me!
Posted by: Geronimo! at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (WmGrA)
150
So where is Trumps legal motion to dismiss?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (kJ8xU)
Yeah! It's not like his team of lawyers were only able to see the indictment (checks watch) less than 24 hours ago! Why the delay?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM (kJ8xU)
Yeah! It's not like his team of lawyers were only able to see the indictment (checks watch) less than 24 hours ago! Why the delay?
Posted by: Chuck C at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (xttsV)
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So what kind of low-rent, dim-bulb criminal defense lawyers did Trump hire?
He should be hiring out the whole floor of a Tall Building criminal law firm in NYC.
Fund their retirement and their kids retirement.
Go through the list of cases Bragg has lost-- hire those lawyers too.
But, we'll know soon enough if a month passes without a motion to dismiss. Which, i think is most likely given his past performance on his election fraud and impeachment litigation strategies.
He should be hiring out the whole floor of a Tall Building criminal law firm in NYC.
Fund their retirement and their kids retirement.
Go through the list of cases Bragg has lost-- hire those lawyers too.
But, we'll know soon enough if a month passes without a motion to dismiss. Which, i think is most likely given his past performance on his election fraud and impeachment litigation strategies.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (m9bzV)
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To establish that offense, Bragg must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump caused a false entry to be made in his business records, and did so with an intent to defraud that specifically included trying to "commit another crime or aid or conceal the commission" of that other crime.
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1. Not only is no underlying crime identified;
2. Not only has Donald Trump not been prosecuted for any crime; but
3. Donald Trump hasn't been convicted of any underlying crime.
3 strikes and Bragg should have been disbarred during his campaign & since prosecuted himself for numerous crimes.
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1. Not only is no underlying crime identified;
2. Not only has Donald Trump not been prosecuted for any crime; but
3. Donald Trump hasn't been convicted of any underlying crime.
3 strikes and Bragg should have been disbarred during his campaign & since prosecuted himself for numerous crimes.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (RGIpg)
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"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to... be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation..."
Posted by: Box Culvert, aboard the banana boat to chaos town. at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (mFCvH)
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But this is a black prosecutor. So, ....
Posted by: Box Culvert, aboard the banana boat to chaos town. at April 05, 2023 12:30 PM (mFCvH)
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But this is a black prosecutor. So, ....
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (ZLI7S)
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Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:27 PM (Y+l9t)
I'm with you... I'm beginning to believe My time has come.... After the 2022 election I saw the handwriting on the wall.... I'm out of touch.... People seem to like the trans stuff, drag queen reading hours and abortion on demand... Their votes then and last night prove that.. Sorry to be such a downer
I'm with you... I'm beginning to believe My time has come.... After the 2022 election I saw the handwriting on the wall.... I'm out of touch.... People seem to like the trans stuff, drag queen reading hours and abortion on demand... Their votes then and last night prove that.. Sorry to be such a downer
Posted by: It's me donna at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (bs+z0)
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>>>We now have Marcus T saying that he's fully on the Trump train.
Marcus was always going to vote for Trump if he were the nominee. This is not expanding your minority level of support.
Marcus was always going to vote for Trump if he were the nominee. This is not expanding your minority level of support.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (iHBZj)
Posted by: Butthead at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (t4BDZ)
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Trump 2028!
Trump 2028!
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (iHBZj)
159
Die on the commode from an aneurysm while passing an opiate-induced brick, with an astonished look on your face
You don't want that, take my word for it.
You don't want that, take my word for it.
Posted by: Zombie Elvis at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (eOEVl)
160
Living next door to Florida, I am more than a bit Ron curious but this motherfuckery means I have to support Trump.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (zwDuR)
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This has done nothing but solidify the vote for Trump.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace
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Any word on where that solid 42% stands on (R) candidates that are completely fine letting this happen and aren't speaking up or out?
Because I'm betting the numbers go down from there.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace
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Any word on where that solid 42% stands on (R) candidates that are completely fine letting this happen and aren't speaking up or out?
Because I'm betting the numbers go down from there.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (/F4Jb)
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The polling I saw was that 80+% of people saw this as a political witch hunt, and over 60% of democrats approve of using the justice system to punish their political enemies, even if they are not based on law.
That should clear up where things are headed.
That should clear up where things are headed.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (lTGtQ)
164
Read the whole content. Makes me think Lavrentiy Bragg wanted to get some charges out there so for the next few months the Democrats Propaganda Ministry could hammer DJT with bull shit charges like the Russian Collusion went for 4 years.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (gBWSr)
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I kiss too much progressive ass for this type of thing to happen to me.
Burn him!!!!!....Burn him!!!!
Burn him!!!!!....Burn him!!!!
Posted by: Pierre Delecto at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (jM1wU)
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140 Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
This argument again? If neither Trump nor DeSantis can overcome the cheat, why do you care who the nom is?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (eOEVl)
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I don't. I've made it obvious for years now. There is no overcoming the cheating.
I don't give a shit who wins the nomination because the PA Secretary of State will murder people on camera to ensure it won't happen, the PA SC will let him off, and the SCOTUS won't take up the case.
I just hate the idea that, "We have to get rid of Trump because DeSantis will overcome all of the vote rigging by...winning back suburban wine moms and plugged in political addicts who hate his style"? The wine moms are Democrats through and through, and the latter are probably a population smaller than the entirety of NT.
Not to mention...the cheating.
This argument again? If neither Trump nor DeSantis can overcome the cheat, why do you care who the nom is?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (eOEVl)
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I don't. I've made it obvious for years now. There is no overcoming the cheating.
I don't give a shit who wins the nomination because the PA Secretary of State will murder people on camera to ensure it won't happen, the PA SC will let him off, and the SCOTUS won't take up the case.
I just hate the idea that, "We have to get rid of Trump because DeSantis will overcome all of the vote rigging by...winning back suburban wine moms and plugged in political addicts who hate his style"? The wine moms are Democrats through and through, and the latter are probably a population smaller than the entirety of NT.
Not to mention...the cheating.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: John Fetterman at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (vwCZJ)
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Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05
It's not even about cheating. The GOP isn't going to win suburban women in large numbers, no matter the candidate, and DeSantis won't pull working class voters the way Trump does, which also would hurt the GOP down-ticket.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05
It's not even about cheating. The GOP isn't going to win suburban women in large numbers, no matter the candidate, and DeSantis won't pull working class voters the way Trump does, which also would hurt the GOP down-ticket.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (wmDcS)
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It seems strange that a man running for president in 2016 would conspire to promote his candidacy the following year. But the indictment, in dating the crimes as occurring from Valentine's Day 2017 to Dec. 5 of that year, seemingly overlooks chronology. Even Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez seems to grasp to not run commercials, canvass, or conduct get-out-the-vote campaigns three months after Election Day. Whether the bookkeeping constituted transgressions or not, no person possessing a brain can credibly say Trump's people made them influence an election that he had already won.
amspec 34x0=0
Like Ace said. It's the optics that matter.
Damage as much as possible no matter the lies.
amspec 34x0=0
Like Ace said. It's the optics that matter.
Damage as much as possible no matter the lies.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (uQPen)
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Bragg must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump caused a false entry to be made in his business records
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Again who did Trump defraud here, himself?
Not that it matters, the jury would convict simply because he said "p**sy"
When does China nuke us again?
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Again who did Trump defraud here, himself?
Not that it matters, the jury would convict simply because he said "p**sy"
When does China nuke us again?
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (VTu1l)
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Is voting as silly as pretending the Rule of Law exists? Yes. Maybe there is some merit in forcing the National Security State to blatantly cheat if necessary, dunno. I don't discount that CNN poll, either. The key takeaway is that a majority think the indictment is a good thing, AND a majority think it is politically motivated.
So a majority of Americans, if there is any reason to believe this poll, are fine with blatantly political prosecutions. Every totalitarian state before this one--and the United States is utterly totalitarian now--had ample public support. Again, the poll very well may be bunk, but it could be true. The United States long ago shredded its international credibility, and now is telling the peasants in its borders to fuck off if they don't like it, and a majority may in fact be fine with it and find no need to fuck off.
So a majority of Americans, if there is any reason to believe this poll, are fine with blatantly political prosecutions. Every totalitarian state before this one--and the United States is utterly totalitarian now--had ample public support. Again, the poll very well may be bunk, but it could be true. The United States long ago shredded its international credibility, and now is telling the peasants in its borders to fuck off if they don't like it, and a majority may in fact be fine with it and find no need to fuck off.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (KSNKu)
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Any chance the NY bar association disbars Counselor Carbohydrate? Or can criminal liberal prosecutors just shit on the Constitution with impunity now?
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (tRd71)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (IXZGh)
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But the allegations! The allegations are serious!!!! Trump is under a cloud of suspicion embattled with 34 serious allegations!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (WzJYQ)
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>>149 We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost.
It's all casinos and likka and crying about littering from here on out.
It's all casinos and likka and crying about littering from here on out.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (vpm59)
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@21
>>And yet Trump agreed to an 8 month delay before the next pleading.
It's about the process, Trumps lawyers only received the Indictment at the time of arraignment, they didn't even have enough time to fully digest and understand it.
And motions to dismiss as well as other motions need to be schedulued, you're not going to be doing that on the day you're indicted.
As we are all aware, the process is the punishment and the maniacs that are in control, want to punish Trump and keep on punishing Trump, and by extension, US, till the end of days.
>>And yet Trump agreed to an 8 month delay before the next pleading.
It's about the process, Trumps lawyers only received the Indictment at the time of arraignment, they didn't even have enough time to fully digest and understand it.
And motions to dismiss as well as other motions need to be schedulued, you're not going to be doing that on the day you're indicted.
As we are all aware, the process is the punishment and the maniacs that are in control, want to punish Trump and keep on punishing Trump, and by extension, US, till the end of days.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (XFPre)
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this is one way...
North Carolina Rep. Tricia Cotham switches to Republican party, says Democratic party 'has become unrecognizable'
North Carolina Rep. Tricia Cotham switches to Republican party, says Democratic party 'has become unrecognizable'
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (uQPen)
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I need to daft a letter saying I will not report to jury duty, or respond to requests to do so.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Bad idea. They'll use it to come after you. Better to show up and create havoc for the State's case. All you have to do it create doubt on all of the evidence.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Bad idea. They'll use it to come after you. Better to show up and create havoc for the State's case. All you have to do it create doubt on all of the evidence.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (jzzG8)
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at the risk of starting The Fight, Trump may see the indictment as his best way of defeating a plainly superior candidate, so he can go on to the general election weakened and tainted and lose disastrously, and then we can start immediately agitating for Trump 2028.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (iHBZj)
How would you expect Trump to be behaving differently if Magic Mike DeSantis didn't exist or was still just a worthless no name legislator?
It's an indictment, not a barn dance. And honestly there are probably more indictments or similar junk coming. This isn't a one off.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (iHBZj)
How would you expect Trump to be behaving differently if Magic Mike DeSantis didn't exist or was still just a worthless no name legislator?
It's an indictment, not a barn dance. And honestly there are probably more indictments or similar junk coming. This isn't a one off.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (TCs92)
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>>>Any word on where that solid 42% stands on (R) candidates that are completely fine letting this happen and aren't speaking up or out?
I would say they're angry at those Republicans. But I would also say that this proves that Trump remains controversial *even within his own party,* and Republican politicians know that being associated with Trump greatly diminishes their chances of winning a general election. See Wisconsin, where a "stop the steal" judge just lost by ten points.
I would say they're angry at those Republicans. But I would also say that this proves that Trump remains controversial *even within his own party,* and Republican politicians know that being associated with Trump greatly diminishes their chances of winning a general election. See Wisconsin, where a "stop the steal" judge just lost by ten points.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (iHBZj)
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>>>Trump may see the indictment as his best way of defeating a plainly superior candidate,
~~~~~
Not gonna fight with you (I have to go out now anyway) but, I find it very, very difficult to believe that you can't see the tremendous GOPe support that's pushing DeSantis: Jeb!, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, Karl Rove, etc.
Seriously, Ace.
~~~~~
Not gonna fight with you (I have to go out now anyway) but, I find it very, very difficult to believe that you can't see the tremendous GOPe support that's pushing DeSantis: Jeb!, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, Karl Rove, etc.
Seriously, Ace.
Posted by: IrishEi at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (3ImbR)
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>> Any chance the NY bar association disbars Counselor Carbohydrate?
None. Besides, all he would have to do is Firebomb a Cop Car and they'd let him back in.
None. Besides, all he would have to do is Firebomb a Cop Car and they'd let him back in.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (SIRiz)
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Judge Napolitano Predicts Attack on Trump Is Part of a Scam to Install Hillary Clinton as President
sick world we live in
sick world we live in
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (uQPen)
184
So where is Trumps legal motion to dismiss?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM
They literally can't do that until December at the first hearing that has been scheduled by the judge.
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at April 05, 2023 12:24 PM
They literally can't do that until December at the first hearing that has been scheduled by the judge.
Posted by: Animitronics Mechanic at April 05, 2023 12:33 PM (ncXxy)
185
It's not even about cheating. The GOP isn't going to win suburban women in large numbers, no matter the candidate, and DeSantis won't pull working class voters the way Trump does, which also would hurt the GOP down-ticket.
*cough*
*cough*
Posted by: Gov. Youngkin at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (eOEVl)
186
>>>It's an indictment, not a barn dance. And honestly there are probably more indictments or similar junk coming. This isn't a one off.
yeah I know. Trump is going to have legal problems all through the election, which is why we absolutely need to make him our tainted, distracted candidate.
yeah I know. Trump is going to have legal problems all through the election, which is why we absolutely need to make him our tainted, distracted candidate.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (iHBZj)
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156 >>>We now have Marcus T saying that he's fully on the Trump train.
Marcus was always going to vote for Trump if he were the nominee. This is not expanding your minority level of support.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (iHBZj)
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I remember when Trump not winning a clear majority of the primary in 2016 was a guarantee that he'd never be able to consolidate during the general election.
I'm not using 2016 as a handwave saying that Trump will win everything (he won't, no Republican will), but Marcus seems to be implying that he'll support Trump in the primary as the only valid fight against Democrats.
Marcus was always going to vote for Trump if he were the nominee. This is not expanding your minority level of support.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (iHBZj)
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I remember when Trump not winning a clear majority of the primary in 2016 was a guarantee that he'd never be able to consolidate during the general election.
I'm not using 2016 as a handwave saying that Trump will win everything (he won't, no Republican will), but Marcus seems to be implying that he'll support Trump in the primary as the only valid fight against Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (LvTSG)
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Nobody said lawfare is by the books.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (5xURv)
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Read the whole content. Makes me think Lavrentiy Bragg wanted to get some charges out there so for the next few months the Democrats Propaganda Ministry could hammer DJT with bull shit charges like the Russian Collusion went for 4 years.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (gBWSr)
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"34 Felonies!!!" *lights hair on fire*
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (gBWSr)
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"34 Felonies!!!" *lights hair on fire*
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (krQz2)
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Each count specifies that it's a false business record beef.
It doesn't state what's false about the business record.
AND if that's not bad enough, there's no victims. 34 counts of no victims.
It doesn't state what's false about the business record.
AND if that's not bad enough, there's no victims. 34 counts of no victims.
Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (NaVNg)
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Doesn't the judge have the power to throw out an indictment on account of it is stupid? I am sure there is a fancy latin term for it.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (WzJYQ)
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One question is shouldn't the judge require some actual charges and if not toss Bragg out of his court?
Of course I know the judge is also a Leftist hack and could care less.
Of course I know the judge is also a Leftist hack and could care less.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (gBWSr)
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The idea that Trump "wants to lose badly" was pushed in 2016 and was plainly obviously proven wrong. But whatever let's do it again.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (gg69v)
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It's not even about cheating. The GOP isn't going to win suburban women in large numbers
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Thank God we gave women the right to vote, it's not like there was a risk in allowing half the population to vote purely on feelz, emotes and vagina tingles and the right to murder babies at the exclusion of everything else
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Thank God we gave women the right to vote, it's not like there was a risk in allowing half the population to vote purely on feelz, emotes and vagina tingles and the right to murder babies at the exclusion of everything else
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (VTu1l)
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"Bragg must prove beyond a reasonable doubt ..."
Will it be a jury trial? In NYC? Then the prosecutor won't have to prove jackshit. Verdict preordained.
Will it be a jury trial? In NYC? Then the prosecutor won't have to prove jackshit. Verdict preordained.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (MvF+J)
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Andrew McCarthy: This "Indictment" Does Not Even Contain an Actual Indictment
No, it doesn't.
However, their BASE is all EXCITED!!!! So, winning. The media will be ALL UP with their TRUMP IS DOOMED stories and 55% of Americans will buy into it and even if they DON'T cheat in 2024, they'll win because the LIV's that live in the big cities and outnumber every rural area WILL VOTE for DEMS.
Then they will still cheat, just to be sure.......
No, it doesn't.
However, their BASE is all EXCITED!!!! So, winning. The media will be ALL UP with their TRUMP IS DOOMED stories and 55% of Americans will buy into it and even if they DON'T cheat in 2024, they'll win because the LIV's that live in the big cities and outnumber every rural area WILL VOTE for DEMS.
Then they will still cheat, just to be sure.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (IXZGh)
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this is one way...
North Carolina Rep. Tricia Cotham switches to Republican party, says Democratic party 'has become unrecognizable'
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Maybe. I'm seeing a LOT of Democrats come into the local Republican political meetings and trying to make Republicans embrace their Democrat "we shouldn't ban books, tranny children are born that way, etc." nonsense.
I'm fine with them coming into the fold, but they get to shut the heck up for ten years and not say or do a single thing other than stuff envelopes and vote "yes" on every conservative measure that hits the table.
Shorter version: It's a trap
North Carolina Rep. Tricia Cotham switches to Republican party, says Democratic party 'has become unrecognizable'
Posted by: artisanal ette
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Maybe. I'm seeing a LOT of Democrats come into the local Republican political meetings and trying to make Republicans embrace their Democrat "we shouldn't ban books, tranny children are born that way, etc." nonsense.
I'm fine with them coming into the fold, but they get to shut the heck up for ten years and not say or do a single thing other than stuff envelopes and vote "yes" on every conservative measure that hits the table.
Shorter version: It's a trap
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (/F4Jb)
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And the DA's stream of consciousness about Trump's intent to defraud tax authorities is belied by the fact that he does not accuse Trump of evading taxes -- despite having already prosecuted the Trump organization for tax evasion, a case that neither named Trump as a defendant nor cited the hush-money scheme as a source of tax crimes.
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According to his attorney, Joe Tacopina, Trump actually overpaid taxes WRT this matter.
PREDICTION: He will eventually be convicted by a NYC jury on 34 counts of overpaying his taxes.
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According to his attorney, Joe Tacopina, Trump actually overpaid taxes WRT this matter.
PREDICTION: He will eventually be convicted by a NYC jury on 34 counts of overpaying his taxes.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (RGIpg)
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>>>Not gonna fight with you (I have to go out now anyway) but, I find it very, very difficult to believe that you can't see the tremendous GOPe support that's pushing DeSantis: Jeb!, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, Karl Rove, etc.
yes because they don't like Trump.
This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
yes because they don't like Trump.
This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (iHBZj)
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The old "We all know he's guilty of crimes against democracy and if you don't agree you are a Trumpist!" Ploy, eh?
*Maxwell Smart voice off*
*Maxwell Smart voice off*
Posted by: Just Lily at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (oA1W7)
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New poll out from Rasmussen today that Trump now has a 7 point lead over Biden. DeSantis also has a lead over Biden.
I don't buy for a second and neither does anyone else here if they are being honest that Biden actually beat Trump in 2020. He has gotten stronger since then.
It's all about overcoming the cheat and if Trump can't do it neither can DeSantis.
I don't buy for a second and neither does anyone else here if they are being honest that Biden actually beat Trump in 2020. He has gotten stronger since then.
It's all about overcoming the cheat and if Trump can't do it neither can DeSantis.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (ZLI7S)
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We are like the American Indians of 19th century America. We've lost, and we don't fully realize yet how fully we have lost.
Me!
Posted by: Geronimo! at
Maybe someday we'll get a monument, like Gen. Lee.
Me!
Posted by: Geronimo! at
Maybe someday we'll get a monument, like Gen. Lee.
Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (xRCo+)
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>>yeah I know. Trump is going to have legal problems all through the election, which is why we absolutely need to make him our tainted, distracted candidate.
You need to watch more Rich Barris.
You need to watch more Rich Barris.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (SIRiz)
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Wondering how they will space out the next indictments, which I assume is coming from GA?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (5xURv)
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168 It's not even about cheating. The GOP isn't going to win suburban women in large numbers, no matter the candidate, and DeSantis won't pull working class voters the way Trump does, which also would hurt the GOP down-ticket.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (wmDcS)
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Did Trump win with the suburban wine mom vote in 2016? I think the suburban wine mom vote is a canard, an excuse to hang around Trump's neck as a reason he can't win that has no real basis in fact.
These people are Democrats, and they've always been Democrats.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (wmDcS)
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Did Trump win with the suburban wine mom vote in 2016? I think the suburban wine mom vote is a canard, an excuse to hang around Trump's neck as a reason he can't win that has no real basis in fact.
These people are Democrats, and they've always been Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)
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I hope Trump's plan in office is every bit as unprecedented as what theyre doing to him now
If one day one he doesnt immediately burn down all of DC's bureaucracy to the ground all this exercise would be pointless
If one day one he doesnt immediately burn down all of DC's bureaucracy to the ground all this exercise would be pointless
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (VTu1l)
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I know Jewish people really don't want attention called to an unjust persecution during Holy Week, but tough shit. Donald Trump isn't merely innocent, but the charges are so flawed that he's rapidly proving to be even more virtuous than Reagan. He doesn't even have a scandal as serious as Iran-Contra going, which is why this ludicrous Freisler trial had to be arranged.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (DTm0P)
Posted by: Box Culvert, aboard the banana boat to chaos town. at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (mFCvH)
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>>According to his attorney, Joe Tacopina, Trump actually overpaid taxes WRT this matter.
bragg actually mentioned that, as a reason to charge him with a crime. His suggestion was that Trump should have deducted this as an expense or something, but Trump didn't, so it's a Crime.
bragg actually mentioned that, as a reason to charge him with a crime. His suggestion was that Trump should have deducted this as an expense or something, but Trump didn't, so it's a Crime.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (iHBZj)
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Or can criminal liberal prosecutors just shit on the Constitution with impunity now?
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (tRd71)
Ummmmmmm...Yes.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (tRd71)
Ummmmmmm...Yes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (KaRdo)
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Off, ancient sock
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (xRCo+)
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Doesn't the judge have the power to throw out an indictment on account of it is stupid? I am sure there is a fancy latin term for it.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (WzJYQ)
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Taurus Excrement
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (WzJYQ)
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Taurus Excrement
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (krQz2)
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But hey, this is fine, we just need better candidates.
Posted by: Meme dog at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (ExGMA)
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Eh, there's polls, there's voting and there's the cheat.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (5xURv)
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Whatever happens, Bragg really, really fucked up. They're screwed now. Their only options are to drop charges, which makes them look completely retarded, or to plow ahead with a blatant show trial, which at least 25% of the country will simply not accept to the point of actual type/delete, and now you go down in history as the man who started an actual civil war for a fucking vanity project.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (9UlRk)
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Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg, Jr.
HERE'S what he's been busy with:
Manhattan D.A. Bragg Returns 29 Antiquities to Greece
https://www.greeknewsusa.com/
manhattan-d-a-bragg-returns-
29-antiquities-to-greece/
HERE'S what he's been busy with:
Manhattan D.A. Bragg Returns 29 Antiquities to Greece
https://www.greeknewsusa.com/
manhattan-d-a-bragg-returns-
29-antiquities-to-greece/
Posted by: m at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (CQE5S)
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@66 a judge is the dictator in n his own court. Trump's lawyers might have some input but the judge will do what he wants. The criminal calendar if any NY County judge has got to be huge so even though the judge is a leftist he has to manage the chaos. That being said the motions are going to be coming fast and furious and the judge will usually give the prosecutor ten days or so to respond. The judge could hold a hearing or rule from his chambers. I would be shocked , even with all the bs if this went to trial
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (386ly)
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>>>You need to watch more Rich Barris.
I did, before the 2022 election.
I don't know if I'll be putting much stock in Rich Barris going forward.
I did, before the 2022 election.
I don't know if I'll be putting much stock in Rich Barris going forward.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iHBZj)
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Garland was just grilled about the speedy trial requirements re J6'ers.
He said two years is speedy.
Now this doesn't get a preliminary hearing until December?
WHAT?
He said two years is speedy.
Now this doesn't get a preliminary hearing until December?
WHAT?
Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (NaVNg)
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Is this a sham designed to martyr Trump and ensure his nomination. Yes. Is it working. Yes. Does Trump get this too? Yes. Is his natural ceiling 42% like ace says, or is there another 8% to eke out? Unknown, but if CNN is correct, No, and we'll get Biden Ii electric boogaloo.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iOTWL)
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"there are probably more indictments or similar junk coming. This isn't a one off."
True dat. This is eternal lawfare, and it will be used against every R candidate from now on.
True dat. This is eternal lawfare, and it will be used against every R candidate from now on.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (MvF+J)
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BELIEVE *SOME* POLLS
BELIEVE *SOME* POLLS
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iHBZj)
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Eugene Debs was on the ballot for the 1920 Presidential election, while he was in Federal prison for sedition
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (u7leW)
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (i4jdL)
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I need to daft a letter saying I will not report to jury duty, or respond to requests to do so.
The legal system has not held up to their end of the bargain, the duty to follow the Constitution.
I will base this on the Trump case.
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Wrong approach.
Do all you can to get on the jury. Play the dumb babe in the woods, "I have no opinions, bias or prejudice" BS to the hilt.
And refuse to convict.
The legal system has not held up to their end of the bargain, the duty to follow the Constitution.
I will base this on the Trump case.
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Wrong approach.
Do all you can to get on the jury. Play the dumb babe in the woods, "I have no opinions, bias or prejudice" BS to the hilt.
And refuse to convict.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (m9bzV)
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Any word on where that solid 42% stands on (R) candidates that are completely fine letting this happen and aren't speaking up or out?
I would say they're angry at those Republicans. But I would also say that this proves that Trump remains controversial *even within his own party,* and Republican politicians know that being associated with Trump greatly diminishes their chances of winning a general election. See Wisconsin, where a "stop the steal" judge just lost by ten points.
Posted by: ace
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I know we don't have math here, but it would be interesting to see if the solid 42% plus the people who want a strong economy and world peace that they clearly remember from three short years ago might add up to a higher number than whatever is hoped to be added to the 42% before half of the 42% says "nope, sorry, no more. This man did nothing but fight for you and us, and you couldn't even be bothered to make a public statement."
I would say they're angry at those Republicans. But I would also say that this proves that Trump remains controversial *even within his own party,* and Republican politicians know that being associated with Trump greatly diminishes their chances of winning a general election. See Wisconsin, where a "stop the steal" judge just lost by ten points.
Posted by: ace
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I know we don't have math here, but it would be interesting to see if the solid 42% plus the people who want a strong economy and world peace that they clearly remember from three short years ago might add up to a higher number than whatever is hoped to be added to the 42% before half of the 42% says "nope, sorry, no more. This man did nothing but fight for you and us, and you couldn't even be bothered to make a public statement."
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (/F4Jb)
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Magic Mike DeSantis didn't exist or was still just a worthless no name legislator
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I wish we could somehow combine the two, because both have qualities the other lacks
Trumptis?
Desantump?
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I wish we could somehow combine the two, because both have qualities the other lacks
Trumptis?
Desantump?
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (VTu1l)
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Pointed out yesterday that the Judge in the Ny case donated to Biden and his daughter worked for Adam Schiff.
The fucker never should have taken the case.
The fucker never should have taken the case.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (5xURv)
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The GOP does not want to win. The GOP wants to keep its millionaire donor $ flowing. And the millionaire donors read the NYT and WSJ sometimes. The GOP have already said that is the reason Ronna was re elected.
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"yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)"
I hear many of your feelings for Trump. I have a profound disregard for many of the things he's done and the things he says. But I've learned over the years you go to war with the army you have, not the one you want. I truly believe you can also read the battlefield by the way your enemy reacts. That said, Democrats aren't going after Trump simply because of their psychosis. They are going for the throat of a movement that has the means and backing to decapitate them.
You may not like the circumstances, nor do I, and there will be a time to move on from Trump. That time isn't now. In fact more than ever, by Democrats own admission, Trump will be in the best position to defeat them. I know a lot of people from many political persuasions who have (shockingly) come to the same conclusion this is bigger than Trump and they feel that danger. Democrats have indeed woken something, but it's not what they believe it is. So I think both of us grotesquely underestimate Trump's support. IMVHO
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)"
I hear many of your feelings for Trump. I have a profound disregard for many of the things he's done and the things he says. But I've learned over the years you go to war with the army you have, not the one you want. I truly believe you can also read the battlefield by the way your enemy reacts. That said, Democrats aren't going after Trump simply because of their psychosis. They are going for the throat of a movement that has the means and backing to decapitate them.
You may not like the circumstances, nor do I, and there will be a time to move on from Trump. That time isn't now. In fact more than ever, by Democrats own admission, Trump will be in the best position to defeat them. I know a lot of people from many political persuasions who have (shockingly) come to the same conclusion this is bigger than Trump and they feel that danger. Democrats have indeed woken something, but it's not what they believe it is. So I think both of us grotesquely underestimate Trump's support. IMVHO
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (J47y1)
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This is the cognitive dissonance happening on the left:
Our democracy is so precious we have to, reluctantly and sadly, enforce the rule of law on Trump. This gives us no pleasure but he is a criminal and no one is above the law™.
This will make Trump the republican nominee and we can beat him with our meat puppet!!!! We're so smart!!!!!!! 3D chess baby!!!!!!!
Our democracy is so precious we have to, reluctantly and sadly, enforce the rule of law on Trump. This gives us no pleasure but he is a criminal and no one is above the law™.
This will make Trump the republican nominee and we can beat him with our meat puppet!!!! We're so smart!!!!!!! 3D chess baby!!!!!!!
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (zwDuR)
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Did Trump win with the suburban wine mom vote in 2016? I think the suburban wine mom vote is a canard, an excuse to hang around Trump's neck as a reason he can't win that has no real basis in fact.
These people are Democrats, and they've always been Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)
They shifted to the right a bit after 9/11, because the Dems were so awful on the issue of terrorism, but by 2008 were back to the left.
The problem is that suburban voters are consistent in their turnout. They show up at the polls every election, whereas working-class voters don't.
These people are Democrats, and they've always been Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)
They shifted to the right a bit after 9/11, because the Dems were so awful on the issue of terrorism, but by 2008 were back to the left.
The problem is that suburban voters are consistent in their turnout. They show up at the polls every election, whereas working-class voters don't.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (wmDcS)
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>>I did, before the 2022 election.
>>I don't know if I'll be putting much stock in Rich Barris going forward.
He has the most accurate numbers going and in this case he's right: you don't run Trump and you lock out a large percentage of your potential Vote.
>>I don't know if I'll be putting much stock in Rich Barris going forward.
He has the most accurate numbers going and in this case he's right: you don't run Trump and you lock out a large percentage of your potential Vote.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (SIRiz)
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I just hate the idea that, "We have to get rid of Trump because DeSantis will overcome all of the vote rigging by...winning back suburban wine moms and plugged in political addicts who hate his style"? The wine moms are Democrats through and through, and the latter are probably a population smaller than the entirety of NT.
Not to mention...the cheating.
I suspect that there are many wine moms who are tiring of the Dems and their groomer agenda, not to mention the demonization of their sons. Furthermore, Trump is a known commodity. He will have a great deal of trouble boosting his numbers. DeSantis is new, and relatively clean and nonthreatening in the way that some people see Trump. (I'm not one of them) I'm not even sure the Dems need to cheat to beat Trump.
So why would you go with the sure loser, when there's a chance with DeSantis?
Not to mention...the cheating.
I suspect that there are many wine moms who are tiring of the Dems and their groomer agenda, not to mention the demonization of their sons. Furthermore, Trump is a known commodity. He will have a great deal of trouble boosting his numbers. DeSantis is new, and relatively clean and nonthreatening in the way that some people see Trump. (I'm not one of them) I'm not even sure the Dems need to cheat to beat Trump.
So why would you go with the sure loser, when there's a chance with DeSantis?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (eOEVl)
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I think Ace has entered the bargaining phase.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (XFPre)
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BELIEVE *SOME* POLLS
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iHBZj)
I will never believe a poll again.. Red wave ?
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iHBZj)
I will never believe a poll again.. Red wave ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (bs+z0)
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North Carolina Rep. Tricia Cotham switches to Republican party, says Democratic party 'has become unrecognizable'
Posted by: artisanal ette at
She's a lefty from a deep blue district.
What's going on here?
Posted by: artisanal ette at
She's a lefty from a deep blue district.
What's going on here?
Posted by: Hmmm at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (kJ8xU)
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The Banana Republic of New York.
I saw one person ask if Trump would be under "house arrest".
In fucking Florida?!
One thing this has revealed to me is how many people have an opinion about prosecution but have not the slightest understanding of how laws would work.
I saw one person ask if Trump would be under "house arrest".
In fucking Florida?!
One thing this has revealed to me is how many people have an opinion about prosecution but have not the slightest understanding of how laws would work.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (krQz2)
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BELIEVE *SOME* POLLS
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iHBZj)
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Polling is broken.
Thoroughly.
Some may be less wrong than others, but none are really worth the time. Especially when "vote fortification" "finds" "missing" "votes".
BELIEVE *SOME* POLLS
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:37 PM (iHBZj)
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Polling is broken.
Thoroughly.
Some may be less wrong than others, but none are really worth the time. Especially when "vote fortification" "finds" "missing" "votes".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (LvTSG)
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Jail hardened Trump will be more glorious than anyone can imagine.
And he's going to jail.
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (zwDuR)
Some prison tats...a neck/face tat...and some piercings...he'll take a big chunk of thr "prog vote".
And he's going to jail.
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (zwDuR)
Some prison tats...a neck/face tat...and some piercings...he'll take a big chunk of thr "prog vote".
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (AwYPR)
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And now for some comedy relief.
Variety@Variety
Don Lemon’s Misogyny at CNN, Exposed: Malicious Texts, Mocking Female Co-Workers and ‘Diva-Like Behavior’
https://bit.ly/3KxRHsP
Variety@Variety
Don Lemon’s Misogyny at CNN, Exposed: Malicious Texts, Mocking Female Co-Workers and ‘Diva-Like Behavior’
https://bit.ly/3KxRHsP
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (FVME7)
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Wait! We can't win with 42% !
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If I read right it's 42% of solid Trump supporters.
So anyone who wants to improve the conditions in the U.S., stop mutilating children, end wars, etc. adds to that.
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If I read right it's 42% of solid Trump supporters.
So anyone who wants to improve the conditions in the U.S., stop mutilating children, end wars, etc. adds to that.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (/F4Jb)
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A republic, as long as you don't elect a candidate who said "pussy".
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (WzJYQ)
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which at least 25% of the country will simply not accept to the point of actual type/delete, and now you go down in history as the man who started an actual civil war for a fucking vanity project.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (9UlRk)
Hundreds of Rats joining Gabby Giffords in a vegetable garden would actually not be a worst case scenario for the Democrats. If Biden had the brains God gave a stray dog, the DOJ would shut Bragg down for obviously violating President Trump's civil rights with a case so weak it wouldn't pass muster as a Soviet show trial. But then he'd blow up the Democratic base and guarantee a primary.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (9UlRk)
Hundreds of Rats joining Gabby Giffords in a vegetable garden would actually not be a worst case scenario for the Democrats. If Biden had the brains God gave a stray dog, the DOJ would shut Bragg down for obviously violating President Trump's civil rights with a case so weak it wouldn't pass muster as a Soviet show trial. But then he'd blow up the Democratic base and guarantee a primary.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (DTm0P)
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>>I'm not even sure the Dems need to cheat to beat Trump. Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (eOEVl)
This is correct.
This is correct.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (vpm59)
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Believe the polls you like!
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (i4jdL)
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Jail hardened Trump will be more glorious than anyone can imagine.
And he's going to jail.
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Some prison tats...a neck/face tat...and some piercings...he'll take a big chunk of thr "prog vote".
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This will hurt him in the black community.
And he's going to jail.
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Some prison tats...a neck/face tat...and some piercings...he'll take a big chunk of thr "prog vote".
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This will hurt him in the black community.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (/F4Jb)
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Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (iHBZj)
I'm not arguing that.
I get that you're pissed off that he's going be the nominee but don't fucking blame me. He's not going to be the nominee because of all his problems, he's going to be the nominee because he did the job once and anyone with a brain knows anyone who tries and is marginally effective is going to be attacked EXACTLY like this.
I'm not arguing that.
I get that you're pissed off that he's going be the nominee but don't fucking blame me. He's not going to be the nominee because of all his problems, he's going to be the nominee because he did the job once and anyone with a brain knows anyone who tries and is marginally effective is going to be attacked EXACTLY like this.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (Ri6cH)
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And Ace, you neglected to mention they have advised Trump "not to say or post anything to social media that may cause violence" or some such bullshit.
They will use the "anything you say can and will be used against you" to arrest him AGAIN for contempt in the next few weeks under the "WE TOLD YOU NOT TO SAY ANYTHING" clause of the indictment.
We're f*cked. So is he.
They will use the "anything you say can and will be used against you" to arrest him AGAIN for contempt in the next few weeks under the "WE TOLD YOU NOT TO SAY ANYTHING" clause of the indictment.
We're f*cked. So is he.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (IXZGh)
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OTOH- what states does my gov win that Trump doesn't? PA is gone. Wi is gone, MN was never happening, MI is gone. AZ is gone. SEIU owns Neveda- there's no path through that fraud.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (iOTWL)
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friday's n y times front page:
" TRUMP INDICTED "
in big big letters across the top of the page
at the back of the news section (sec a):
"Online Grudges Fuel Surge of Teen Murder Across New York City"
nice to know what the nyc prosecutors' priorities are.
" TRUMP INDICTED "
in big big letters across the top of the page
at the back of the news section (sec a):
"Online Grudges Fuel Surge of Teen Murder Across New York City"
nice to know what the nyc prosecutors' priorities are.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (B1FKF)
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I will never believe a poll again.. Red wave ?
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We did have a red wave, the rigged voting canceled it out
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We did have a red wave, the rigged voting canceled it out
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (VTu1l)
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Any chance the NY bar association disbars Counselor Carbohydrate? Or can criminal liberal prosecutors just shit on the Constitution with impunity now?
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (tRd71)
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To answer this question, we can apply the basic analysis rules. To do so, requires only one question: "Is {noun} an established institution in the United States?" If the answer to that question is, "yes," then the institution will act in whatever way it thinks will promote state interest and consistency with progressive ambitions.
In this case specifically, "Is The NY Bar Association an established institution in the United States?" The answer to that is, "yes."
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 05, 2023 12:32 PM (tRd71)
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To answer this question, we can apply the basic analysis rules. To do so, requires only one question: "Is {noun} an established institution in the United States?" If the answer to that question is, "yes," then the institution will act in whatever way it thinks will promote state interest and consistency with progressive ambitions.
In this case specifically, "Is The NY Bar Association an established institution in the United States?" The answer to that is, "yes."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (t0OGg)
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232 They shifted to the right a bit after 9/11, because the Dems were so awful on the issue of terrorism, but by 2008 were back to the left.
The problem is that suburban voters are consistent in their turnout. They show up at the polls every election, whereas working-class voters don't.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (wmDcS)
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So, the point of a Republican candidate should be to appeal to working class voters at higher rates than Democrats appeal to suburban voters.
Assuming the vote isn't "fortified" in a way that makes sure that "all" the "votes" get counted days after the election.
The problem is that suburban voters are consistent in their turnout. They show up at the polls every election, whereas working-class voters don't.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (wmDcS)
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So, the point of a Republican candidate should be to appeal to working class voters at higher rates than Democrats appeal to suburban voters.
Assuming the vote isn't "fortified" in a way that makes sure that "all" the "votes" get counted days after the election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
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>>>I know we don't have math here, but it would be interesting to see if the solid 42% plus the people who want a strong economy and world peace that they clearly remember from three short years ago might add up to a higher number than whatever is hoped to be added to the 42% before half of the 42% says "nope, sorry, no more. This man did nothing but fight for you and us, and you couldn't even be bothered to make a public statement."
he's fighting for himself. You guys claim he's fighting for you, but all he ever does is talk about himself and his persecution, and then you explain that away by saying "Well, they're after us, but Trump's in the way, so by endlessly talking about himself and his persecution he's REALLY talking about US and our persecution."
No, he's just talking about himself. He has to remind himself to say "we" and "us" on occasion. You catch that in his rambling self-indulgent no-prep statements. He says I, I, I and me, me, me and then he remembers he's supposed to be "fighting for us" and throws a "we" in there. He did that last night.
he's fighting for himself. You guys claim he's fighting for you, but all he ever does is talk about himself and his persecution, and then you explain that away by saying "Well, they're after us, but Trump's in the way, so by endlessly talking about himself and his persecution he's REALLY talking about US and our persecution."
No, he's just talking about himself. He has to remind himself to say "we" and "us" on occasion. You catch that in his rambling self-indulgent no-prep statements. He says I, I, I and me, me, me and then he remembers he's supposed to be "fighting for us" and throws a "we" in there. He did that last night.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (iHBZj)
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Jail hardened Trump will be more glorious than anyone can imagine.
And he's going to jail.
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (zwDuR)
Trump goes to jail.
Cuts deal with prison gangs.
They tell their street affiliates in Chicago and Detroit to hold off in 2024 from helping the Dem political machine...
And he's going to jail.
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:31 PM (zwDuR)
Trump goes to jail.
Cuts deal with prison gangs.
They tell their street affiliates in Chicago and Detroit to hold off in 2024 from helping the Dem political machine...
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (wmDcS)
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It's a CNN poll. I'm surprised it isn't 100%
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (u7leW)
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If a Trump candidate wants to win, he has to pull 70% of the actual vote.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (WzJYQ)
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She's a lefty from a deep blue district.
What's going on here?
Posted by: Hmmm at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (kJ8xU)
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People will begin to see that Trump is not just claiming persecution. He actually is pursued as a target.
Because just like the Dems can't run cities, they can't actually do anything right. They can just use force and that's why they're either going to be totally exposed or they're going to shut everything down.
What's going on here?
Posted by: Hmmm at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (kJ8xU)
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People will begin to see that Trump is not just claiming persecution. He actually is pursued as a target.
Because just like the Dems can't run cities, they can't actually do anything right. They can just use force and that's why they're either going to be totally exposed or they're going to shut everything down.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (krQz2)
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Did Trump win with the suburban wine mom vote in 2016? I think the suburban wine mom vote is a canard, an excuse to hang around Trump's neck as a reason he can't win that has no real basis in fact.
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They go the bathroom in packs. They are herd animals. The calculate their survival based upon their centrality to the herd. (the predators eat the outliers first, get full and go away. the highest status cows are in the center of the herd. this is why the strive to be so conformist. Its a survival mechanism. Karen/Becky/Michelle want to do whatever the other girls say is cool so they will be inside and not on the flanks.
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They go the bathroom in packs. They are herd animals. The calculate their survival based upon their centrality to the herd. (the predators eat the outliers first, get full and go away. the highest status cows are in the center of the herd. this is why the strive to be so conformist. Its a survival mechanism. Karen/Becky/Michelle want to do whatever the other girls say is cool so they will be inside and not on the flanks.
Posted by: Its not that they can't think for themselves they choose to conform at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (UZiWu)
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>>>Any chance the NY bar association disbars Counselor Carbohydrate? Or can criminal liberal prosecutors just shit on the Constitution with impunity now?
Posted by: UGAdawg
i was trying to think of a way to call him fat. Nice.
Posted by: UGAdawg
i was trying to think of a way to call him fat. Nice.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (iHBZj)
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Polls aren't for believing or for navigation.
They are a Temperature. The Temperature doen't tell you the weather.
It just tells you the temperature.
They are a Temperature. The Temperature doen't tell you the weather.
It just tells you the temperature.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (SIRiz)
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>>240 Jail hardened Trump will be more glorious than anyone can imagine.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (AwYPR)
Mike Tyson face-tattoo.
Beautiful.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (AwYPR)
Mike Tyson face-tattoo.
Beautiful.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (vpm59)
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see the tremendous GOPe support that's pushing DeSantis: Jeb!, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, Karl Rove, etc.
As soon as I heard the Bush's and Rove were supporting him, I said to myself, self, if Ron was on fire I wouldn't piss on him.
As soon as I heard the Bush's and Rove were supporting him, I said to myself, self, if Ron was on fire I wouldn't piss on him.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (DMyTF)
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And yet Trump agreed to an 8 month delay before the next pleading.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (yQpMk)
Got to give the heart attack ray gun time to spool up.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (yQpMk)
Got to give the heart attack ray gun time to spool up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (tkR6S)
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This will hurt him in the black community.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (/F4Jb)
get some dreads/ shave head
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:39 PM (/F4Jb)
get some dreads/ shave head
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:41 PM (AwYPR)
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234 I suspect that there are many wine moms who are tiring of the Dems and their groomer agenda, not to mention the demonization of their sons. Furthermore, Trump is a known commodity. He will have a great deal of trouble boosting his numbers. DeSantis is new, and relatively clean and nonthreatening in the way that some people see Trump. (I'm not one of them) I'm not even sure the Dems need to cheat to beat Trump.
So why would you go with the sure loser, when there's a chance with DeSantis?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (eOEVl)
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Suburban women are Democrats. If they need handholding to get off of the plantation, that's fine. How much does it matter when the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania sends out hundreds of thousands of ballots for months before the election with no chain of custody and no real audit of what's going on?
So why would you go with the sure loser, when there's a chance with DeSantis?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (eOEVl)
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Suburban women are Democrats. If they need handholding to get off of the plantation, that's fine. How much does it matter when the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania sends out hundreds of thousands of ballots for months before the election with no chain of custody and no real audit of what's going on?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (LvTSG)
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How'd Debs do?
Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (iOTWL)
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The fucker never should have taken the case.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (5xURv)
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Not only will he take the case, but he'll wear a shit-eating smirk throughout.
The fucker never should have taken the case.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 05, 2023 12:38 PM (5xURv)
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Not only will he take the case, but he'll wear a shit-eating smirk throughout.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (ySZtE)
Posted by: judge juan merchan at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (Vwz3I)
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Agree that Bragg had a Witch as the jury Forman and they couldn't get Trum indicted fast enough. The jury will be the same ilk and be happy to be the ones to lock up President D.J. Trump
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (gBWSr)
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So, the point of a Republican candidate should be to appeal to working class voters at higher rates than Democrats appeal to suburban voters.
Assuming the vote isn't "fortified" in a way that makes sure that "all" the "votes" get counted days after the election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
Yes. It also means that the GOP needs to focus on turnout, rather than winning over voters who are already going to show up at the polls. Basically, what the Dems have done for decades, before they abandoned the white working class.
Assuming the vote isn't "fortified" in a way that makes sure that "all" the "votes" get counted days after the election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
Yes. It also means that the GOP needs to focus on turnout, rather than winning over voters who are already going to show up at the polls. Basically, what the Dems have done for decades, before they abandoned the white working class.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (wmDcS)
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"...anyone with a brain knows anyone who tries and is marginally effective is going to be attacked EXACTLY like this."
Reposted.
It's worth repeating. Anyone who thinks someone other than a designated loser will get the nom is in for a big disappointment.
Reposted.
It's worth repeating. Anyone who thinks someone other than a designated loser will get the nom is in for a big disappointment.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (jTmQV)
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So, the point of a Republican candidate should be to appeal to working class voters at higher rates than Democrats appeal to suburban voters.
DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
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With the caveat they would cheat if necessary, it is far more difficult to steal sufficient Senate and House seats than to attain congressional majorities, hence the drive to eliminate two Senators per state. I think they actually are trying to take out Trump because it would make the down ballot races more competitive for Democrats since Trump does bring in a few more non-Republican votes in a general. I don't think they are concerned at all about the presidency, which they will "win" one way or another.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (KSNKu)
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thanks, Anonosaurus, that will be a good palate cleanser.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (iHBZj)
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By the way, ask yourself a simple question. Of Trump's support is only 42%, why are Democrats clearly engaging in a specific effort to undermine their he electoral process. I and the answer is not simply to distract from Biden and the Democrats destruction of the country (although that is part of it).
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (J47y1)
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"Unknown, but if CNN is correct, No, and we'll get Biden Ii electric boogaloo."
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Then they can all go to Hell, and I will go to the Hungary.
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Then they can all go to Hell, and I will go to the Hungary.
Posted by: Zombie Davey Crockett at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (mFCvH)
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The non-indictment identified as an indictment.
Andy McCarthy, true to form, misses the nuance of Left World.
Andy McCarthy, true to form, misses the nuance of Left World.
Posted by: Voter theater. at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (14t2+)
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The 2024 Congress should set up a parallel Federal Court system and transfer all the cases to the new court. Then require the entire old court system to report to work for an eight hour day. When the last guy quits dies or retires demolish the building.
They're Title 3 Judges so you can't fire them.
They're Title 3 Judges so you can't fire them.
Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (NaVNg)
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248 I get that you're pissed off that he's going be the nominee but don't fucking blame me. He's not going to be the nominee because of all his problems, he's going to be the nominee because he did the job once and anyone with a brain knows anyone who tries and is marginally effective is going to be attacked EXACTLY like this.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (Ri6cH)
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His appeal to the working class is very real, and the way the primary calendar works prevents serious cheating by pushing serious problem states far back into the schedule.
It's one reason I think Biden will easily win re-nomination no matter how unsatisfied the country is with him. His only opponents will be trying to out-woke each other while will play terribly in a place like SC, which has a pretty secure election apparatus.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (Ri6cH)
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His appeal to the working class is very real, and the way the primary calendar works prevents serious cheating by pushing serious problem states far back into the schedule.
It's one reason I think Biden will easily win re-nomination no matter how unsatisfied the country is with him. His only opponents will be trying to out-woke each other while will play terribly in a place like SC, which has a pretty secure election apparatus.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (LvTSG)
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he's fighting for himself. You guys claim he's fighting for you, but all he ever does is talk about himself and his persecution, and then you explain that away by saying "Well, they're after us, but Trump's in the way, so by endlessly talking about himself and his persecution he's REALLY talking about US and our persecution."..
Posted by: ace
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(looks at overtime that was turned down, energy prices, stock market, peace deals, general outlook of nation between 2016-2020)
Yeah, screw it. He was in it for himself. I don't know what I was thinking.
JEB/PENCE 2024
he's fighting for himself. You guys claim he's fighting for you, but all he ever does is talk about himself and his persecution, and then you explain that away by saying "Well, they're after us, but Trump's in the way, so by endlessly talking about himself and his persecution he's REALLY talking about US and our persecution."..
Posted by: ace
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(looks at overtime that was turned down, energy prices, stock market, peace deals, general outlook of nation between 2016-2020)
Yeah, screw it. He was in it for himself. I don't know what I was thinking.
JEB/PENCE 2024
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (/F4Jb)
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They go the bathroom in packs. They are herd animals. The calculate their survival based upon their centrality to the herd.
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Only married women should vote, when they finally realize gee maybe bowing down to their solipsistic worldview and worship of their golden laced vaginas may not actually be the best thing for their husbands and sons
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Only married women should vote, when they finally realize gee maybe bowing down to their solipsistic worldview and worship of their golden laced vaginas may not actually be the best thing for their husbands and sons
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (VTu1l)
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During my first jury duty the judge picked a foreman, old guy. During the deliberation the foreman just sat there and didn't bother to direct the discussion. He just sat there and smiled like a loaf. I was probably half his age and was getting annoyed because everyone was just sitting around looking at each other.
I hate talking to strangers and I had a feeling that I could have been told to shut up by everyone in the room but I went ahead and pushed the discussion forward. We had one holdout who gently offered that she just didnt' like the laws involved and the arrest. Had I had a burr up my ass, I could have easily turned another into a hold out and shit on the charges myself. It's not that hard to blow up a case.
I hate talking to strangers and I had a feeling that I could have been told to shut up by everyone in the room but I went ahead and pushed the discussion forward. We had one holdout who gently offered that she just didnt' like the laws involved and the arrest. Had I had a burr up my ass, I could have easily turned another into a hold out and shit on the charges myself. It's not that hard to blow up a case.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (jzzG8)
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>>So why would you go with the sure loser, when there's a chance with DeSantis?
This is dumb. You know as well as everyone else here that Trump was cheated out of the 2020 election. It is absurd to keep claiming he lost in the traditional sense and it is a dishonest argument.
DeSantis barely won his first race in red FL against a commie crackhead and he only did it with a huge assist from Trump. And if you think the left won't go after Ron and make him the face of abortion and intolerance and work to destroy him just like they did Trump you are dreaming.
If DeSantis can beat Trump he will get my vote. He is currently more than 20 points down in virtually every poll. Why are you supporting someone who can't seem to even beat Trump?
This is dumb. You know as well as everyone else here that Trump was cheated out of the 2020 election. It is absurd to keep claiming he lost in the traditional sense and it is a dishonest argument.
DeSantis barely won his first race in red FL against a commie crackhead and he only did it with a huge assist from Trump. And if you think the left won't go after Ron and make him the face of abortion and intolerance and work to destroy him just like they did Trump you are dreaming.
If DeSantis can beat Trump he will get my vote. He is currently more than 20 points down in virtually every poll. Why are you supporting someone who can't seem to even beat Trump?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ZLI7S)
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How much does it matter when the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania sends out hundreds of thousands of ballots for months before the election with no chain of custody and no real audit of what's going on?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (LvTSG)
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It does not matter. They've got the cheating down to a finely honed science.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (LvTSG)
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It does not matter. They've got the cheating down to a finely honed science.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ySZtE)
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He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
Democrats are all bastards. Every one.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
Democrats are all bastards. Every one.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (tkR6S)
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the situation on the ground will probbaly be much different and much worse than it is today
I think it is entirely possible for Trump or DeSantis to win the general
but it is not possible for Ron to win the nomination
but if he wants to all scarred up in the fight, it's his skin
the play here for Ron is to come out for Trump
and then 2028 will be his
now, if only his handlers would allow this
we'll see
I think it is entirely possible for Trump or DeSantis to win the general
but it is not possible for Ron to win the nomination
but if he wants to all scarred up in the fight, it's his skin
the play here for Ron is to come out for Trump
and then 2028 will be his
now, if only his handlers would allow this
we'll see
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (us2H3)
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Our democracy is so precious we have to, reluctantly and sadly, enforce the rule of law on Trump. This gives us no pleasure but he is a criminal and no one is above the law™.
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Old and busted (circa 196
: In order to save the village, we had to destroy it.
New and cool: In order to save our democracy, we had to destroy it.
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Old and busted (circa 196
: In order to save the village, we had to destroy it.
New and cool: In order to save our democracy, we had to destroy it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (/F4Jb)
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274 So, the point of a Republican candidate should be to appeal to working class voters at higher rates than Democrats appeal to suburban voters.
DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
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Can he do that in PA, a place where the new Secretary of State organized the steal of 2022? Can he do that in AZ, where the new governor organized the steal in 2022?
DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
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Can he do that in PA, a place where the new Secretary of State organized the steal of 2022? Can he do that in AZ, where the new governor organized the steal in 2022?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (LvTSG)
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130 17 And Turtle has not even poked his scrawny wrinkled neck out of his shell to defend the country.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
Turtle's opportunity to defend the country was during the 2022 elections. Using his control of PAC money, he pulled money from winnable races. Ones that would have given the GOP control of the Senate. McConnell is even more useless than a post turtle.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (N39Ws)
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I am unhappy with your description of McTurtle as useless. That description would suffice if he were on OUR side. However he actively schemed and plotted to cripple our efforts so he is an actual ENEMY. I'm sure there's a reservation on a lamppost in DC for him.
Posted by: artisanal ette at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (uQPen)
Turtle's opportunity to defend the country was during the 2022 elections. Using his control of PAC money, he pulled money from winnable races. Ones that would have given the GOP control of the Senate. McConnell is even more useless than a post turtle.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (N39Ws)
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I am unhappy with your description of McTurtle as useless. That description would suffice if he were on OUR side. However he actively schemed and plotted to cripple our efforts so he is an actual ENEMY. I'm sure there's a reservation on a lamppost in DC for him.
Posted by: Ciampino - McTurtle an enemy of the People at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (qfLjt)
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By the way, ask yourself a simple question. Of Trump's support is only 42%, why are Democrats clearly engaging in a specific effort to undermine their he electoral process.
As I've said many times now, they WANT to run against Trump, and the best way to do that is to get conservatives to reflexively support him by making him a martyr.
As I've said many times now, they WANT to run against Trump, and the best way to do that is to get conservatives to reflexively support him by making him a martyr.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (eOEVl)
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Russia was made up WHOLE CLOTH.
Trump didn't invite that. Nothing about Trump's character or agenda made that believable. He was the most America First person in two generations.
Which means the enemy has demonstrated what they are capable of. Letting their ridiculous bullshit dictate how we vote because they might have harder time making crap up about someone different (extremely unlikely) doesn't seem like genius strategy.
Trump didn't invite that. Nothing about Trump's character or agenda made that believable. He was the most America First person in two generations.
Which means the enemy has demonstrated what they are capable of. Letting their ridiculous bullshit dictate how we vote because they might have harder time making crap up about someone different (extremely unlikely) doesn't seem like genius strategy.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (lpA/P)
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It does not matter. They've got the cheating down to a finely honed science.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ySZtE)
This.
It does not matter. They've got the cheating down to a finely honed science.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ySZtE)
This.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (IXZGh)
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This fit blonde in a swimsuit hates primary battles and political show trials, yet still smiles about other things:
https://is.gd/orVVUu
https://is.gd/orVVUu
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (t0OGg)
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I get that you're pissed off that he's going be the nominee but don't fucking blame me.
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I actually don't get the pissed part. I mean first it hasn't happened yet. Second, disappointed I could see, maybe. But the: "This is fine, we just need better candidates" approach to the current state of the country is, at this point, wildly naive. And if I may say, completely out of character. But, I suspect there is more going on that meets the eye.
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I actually don't get the pissed part. I mean first it hasn't happened yet. Second, disappointed I could see, maybe. But the: "This is fine, we just need better candidates" approach to the current state of the country is, at this point, wildly naive. And if I may say, completely out of character. But, I suspect there is more going on that meets the eye.
Posted by: So its time we had that chat at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (hT7C7)
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286 It does not matter. They've got the cheating down to a finely honed science.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ySZtE)
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There's no fineness to it. It's blunt and obvious.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ySZtE)
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There's no fineness to it. It's blunt and obvious.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (LvTSG)
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The most logical outcome is Biden v Trump. Biden doesn't campaign and the news cycle is 99% Trump/Hitler.
Biden wins by 5ppts. Secured mostly by a national election harvesting process funded by lefty billionaires.
Biden wins by 5ppts. Secured mostly by a national election harvesting process funded by lefty billionaires.
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (zwDuR)
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She's a lefty from a deep blue district.
What's going on here?
Posted by: Hmmm
The people in her district are fed up. That, or incomers are all more conservative and fleeing places like NY
What's going on here?
Posted by: Hmmm
The people in her district are fed up. That, or incomers are all more conservative and fleeing places like NY
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (lTGtQ)
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Does it mean they want a weakened candidate, that will be rejected by the general populace ? Or what??
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (i4jdL)
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It is being done to lower his vote ceiling. Meanwhile, Wisconsin just fell out of reach in the next election cycle.
The dems want Trump. And they are going to get him. I do not expect any different outcome of the 2024 presidential general election from 2020. And McConnell may have just damaged the GOP senatorial prospects as well. Of course we have always figured he prefers the minority role better anyway.
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2023 12:20 PM (i4jdL)
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It is being done to lower his vote ceiling. Meanwhile, Wisconsin just fell out of reach in the next election cycle.
The dems want Trump. And they are going to get him. I do not expect any different outcome of the 2024 presidential general election from 2020. And McConnell may have just damaged the GOP senatorial prospects as well. Of course we have always figured he prefers the minority role better anyway.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (UVyKP)
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DeSantis barely won his first race in red FL against a commie crackhead and he only did it with a huge assist from Trump
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he was basically an unknown then, as much as I like DeSantis especially because he doesn't write in ALL CAPS ON TRUTH SOCIAL SAYING ZANY THINGS, even my parents dont trust him and think he's a RINO plant whose true colors simply havent come out yet
trust no one
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he was basically an unknown then, as much as I like DeSantis especially because he doesn't write in ALL CAPS ON TRUTH SOCIAL SAYING ZANY THINGS, even my parents dont trust him and think he's a RINO plant whose true colors simply havent come out yet
trust no one
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (VTu1l)
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Just how fat is Alvin Bragg?
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eGTCV)
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No, he's just talking about himself. He has to remind himself to say "we" and "us" on occasion. You catch that in his rambling self-indulgent no-prep statements. He says I, I, I and me, me, me and then he remembers he's supposed to be "fighting for us" and throws a "we" in there. He did that last night.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (iHBZj)
We are ruled by Monsters, ace. If one will destroy me only after considering it, I suppose that is better than the one that will sell me for soap reflexively.
The only benefit I see is that tendency to hold to a bargain if only to maintain the reputation of fair dealing.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:40 PM (iHBZj)
We are ruled by Monsters, ace. If one will destroy me only after considering it, I suppose that is better than the one that will sell me for soap reflexively.
The only benefit I see is that tendency to hold to a bargain if only to maintain the reputation of fair dealing.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (xhaym)
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This is dumb. You know as well as everyone else here that Trump was cheated out of the 2020 election. It is absurd to keep claiming he lost in the traditional sense and it is a dishonest argument.
Where did I say he wasn't cheated out of the 2020 election? I'll wait.
Where did I say he wasn't cheated out of the 2020 election? I'll wait.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eOEVl)
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Prediction: If the D of J gets involved in this and *helps Bragg get away with it*, Andy McCarthy will be defending their actions.
Posted by: Hands at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (786Ro)
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Which other potential nominee would overcome the cheating in MI, WI, PA, and GA?
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Come on! Everyone knows if Trump would just go away, the [generic Republican to be named later] will win!
Sure it's an 8-rail bank shot on the deck of a dinghy in a monsoon, but the country will rally to [generic Republican to be named later]!
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Come on! Everyone knows if Trump would just go away, the [generic Republican to be named later] will win!
Sure it's an 8-rail bank shot on the deck of a dinghy in a monsoon, but the country will rally to [generic Republican to be named later]!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (m9bzV)
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New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state. - TJM
If she's still on the WI Supreme Court. The Republicans have a supermajority in the WI Senate.
If she's still on the WI Supreme Court. The Republicans have a supermajority in the WI Senate.
Posted by: mrp at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (rj6Yv)
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305 This is dumb. You know as well as everyone else here that Trump was cheated out of the 2020 election. It is absurd to keep claiming he lost in the traditional sense and it is a dishonest argument.
Where did I say he wasn't cheated out of the 2020 election? I'll wait.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eOEVl)
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So, if you accept that premise, how will DeSantis overcome the same mechanisms that are in place and are getting worse with every cycle?
Where did I say he wasn't cheated out of the 2020 election? I'll wait.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eOEVl)
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So, if you accept that premise, how will DeSantis overcome the same mechanisms that are in place and are getting worse with every cycle?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (LvTSG)
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I suspect that there are many wine moms who are tiring of the Dems and their groomer agenda, not to mention the demonization of their sons.
Stop projecting your values onto them. Wine Moms are interested in one thing - their status with the other Wine Moms. They'll sacrifice their husbands and sons, if necessary, to save their own status.
The irony is, many of those same husbands and sons will white knights for their particularly Wine Mom until the bitter end.
Stop projecting your values onto them. Wine Moms are interested in one thing - their status with the other Wine Moms. They'll sacrifice their husbands and sons, if necessary, to save their own status.
The irony is, many of those same husbands and sons will white knights for their particularly Wine Mom until the bitter end.
Posted by: Perfect Hair at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (iQE+/)
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The obvious path is Trump/Desantis 2024 and then President Desantis in 2028. Unstoppable force with an actual chance to change the path of the nation.
It's fascinating that Desantis rejects that.
It's fascinating that Desantis rejects that.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (/F4Jb)
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Trump lost something like 20% of his net worth during his term and subsequently. He's endured slings and arrows the likes of which most of us would retreat to our corners and call it a day.
But he's only concerned with himself?
Does not compute. Sorry, chief.
But he's only concerned with himself?
Does not compute. Sorry, chief.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (jTmQV)
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Muh penis may be two inches, but it gets erect and scares the locals nonetheless.
Posted by: National Review at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (KFhLj)
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Can he do that in PA, a place where the new Secretary of State organized the steal of 2022? Can he do that in AZ, where the new governor organized the steal in 2022?
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yes the argument is moot until either camp finds a way to clean up the voter rolls and election process in these states
at least kari lake is doing her part
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yes the argument is moot until either camp finds a way to clean up the voter rolls and election process in these states
at least kari lake is doing her part
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (VTu1l)
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Just how fat is Alvin Bragg?
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eGTCV)
Every time he speaks, what you hear coming out of his mouth is already an echo.
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eGTCV)
Every time he speaks, what you hear coming out of his mouth is already an echo.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (IXZGh)
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>Not gonna fight with you (I have to go out now anyway) but, I find it very, very difficult to believe that you can't see the tremendous GOPe support that's pushing DeSantis: Jeb!, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, Karl Rove, etc.
yes because they don't like Trump.
This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Posted by: ace
Absolutely agree. There is no evidence, none, that DeSantis is being influenced by the GOPe. This would be a legitimate primary situation except for the Democrats interference. This is what they want. Split the pro America Republicans with a false dichotomy. You are being duped.
yes because they don't like Trump.
This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Posted by: ace
Absolutely agree. There is no evidence, none, that DeSantis is being influenced by the GOPe. This would be a legitimate primary situation except for the Democrats interference. This is what they want. Split the pro America Republicans with a false dichotomy. You are being duped.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (SIRiz)
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I can't believe that the dims are entertaining the idea of Joe running again
and that they are allowing him to freeze the field like this
shit or get off the pot
and that they are allowing him to freeze the field like this
shit or get off the pot
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (us2H3)
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By the way, ask yourself a simple question. Of Trump's support is only 42%, why are Democrats clearly engaging in a specific effort to undermine their he electoral process.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (J47y1)
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See I don't buy "the Democrats fear Trump" line. Democrats don't like things to happen that they don't want to happen. This is part of "fortifying the vote".
Anybody who was watching saw them go apoplectic over the idea that Trump was removing a staple of Our Democracy™ by carting away mailboxes, as if they have for decades formed the basis of the people's vote. Those people who saw that have yet to see any embarrassment over that.
They simply don't want the stuff to happen that they don't want to happen. This is all. You could describe it such that their intolerance of things they don't favor is reaching fevered heights.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:43 PM (J47y1)
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See I don't buy "the Democrats fear Trump" line. Democrats don't like things to happen that they don't want to happen. This is part of "fortifying the vote".
Anybody who was watching saw them go apoplectic over the idea that Trump was removing a staple of Our Democracy™ by carting away mailboxes, as if they have for decades formed the basis of the people's vote. Those people who saw that have yet to see any embarrassment over that.
They simply don't want the stuff to happen that they don't want to happen. This is all. You could describe it such that their intolerance of things they don't favor is reaching fevered heights.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (krQz2)
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>>277 By the way, ask yourself a simple question. Of Trump's support is only 42%, why are Democrats clearly engaging in a specific effort to undermine their he electoral process.
Done.
Because the Democrats know that there is no meaningful penalty for doing so, that not doing so does carry risk, and that doing so seems logically to further the strategic goal of smothering Other America in the crib.
I will ask Alexa tonight and get her response and report back. I doubt that it will sound like my response above. In fact, I imagine she'll retort with her usual bail-out:
"I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding you."
Done.
Because the Democrats know that there is no meaningful penalty for doing so, that not doing so does carry risk, and that doing so seems logically to further the strategic goal of smothering Other America in the crib.
I will ask Alexa tonight and get her response and report back. I doubt that it will sound like my response above. In fact, I imagine she'll retort with her usual bail-out:
"I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding you."
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (vpm59)
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317 >>he was basically an unknown
He was in Congress!
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (SIRiz)
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I'm not familiar with many people in Congress, personally.
He was in Congress!
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (SIRiz)
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I'm not familiar with many people in Congress, personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (LvTSG)
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This has done nothing but solidify the vote for Trump.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
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Biden will easily win a 2nd term.
Women, LIV's, and independents will put him over the top.
He he can sit back and let the country be destroyed and no one will be talking about his horrible policies only Trump and the indictments.
This has always been the Democrats plan.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
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Biden will easily win a 2nd term.
Women, LIV's, and independents will put him over the top.
He he can sit back and let the country be destroyed and no one will be talking about his horrible policies only Trump and the indictments.
This has always been the Democrats plan.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (NpAcC)
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Why are you supporting someone who can't seem to even beat Trump?
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I take this one:
Option one: Wild naivete
Option two: remuneration
Option three: Pwhipped
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I take this one:
Option one: Wild naivete
Option two: remuneration
Option three: Pwhipped
Posted by: So its time we had that chat at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (jeaYr)
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Does not compute. Sorry, chief.
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Yes he loves this country, even though I long gave up on it
to me he represents whats left of the old america, for all its faults
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Yes he loves this country, even though I long gave up on it
to me he represents whats left of the old america, for all its faults
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (VTu1l)
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"People seem to like the trans stuff, drag queen reading hours and abortion on demand... Their votes then and last night prove that.. Sorry to be such a downer" Posted by: It's me donna
there is still hope, imo. Normal people tolerate the trans stuff, but when it comes to pushing it in grade schools, I think not.
Same with the border, they don't mind fair immigration, but open borders is insanity. ... China problems, the same.
The Problem is we made a few oligarchs Very Rich with bailouts and insider deals (like shutting small business for a year), and they now buy all ads and flood all comms with their (propaganda) messaging.
They also have massive BigTech censorship, that redirects all minds to The Narrative.
Wisconsin for instance, flooded the zone with "the judge won't allow abortion in case of rape". Or whatever, the people are deceived, not really paying attention. Not sure what wakes them, but I don't think they are lost.
there is still hope, imo. Normal people tolerate the trans stuff, but when it comes to pushing it in grade schools, I think not.
Same with the border, they don't mind fair immigration, but open borders is insanity. ... China problems, the same.
The Problem is we made a few oligarchs Very Rich with bailouts and insider deals (like shutting small business for a year), and they now buy all ads and flood all comms with their (propaganda) messaging.
They also have massive BigTech censorship, that redirects all minds to The Narrative.
Wisconsin for instance, flooded the zone with "the judge won't allow abortion in case of rape". Or whatever, the people are deceived, not really paying attention. Not sure what wakes them, but I don't think they are lost.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (Cus5s)
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yes because they don't like Trump.
This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (iHBZj)
Haha, I love it! You've lost your mind if you think the guy who cracked Roe vs. Wade is going to lose to the Bushbot puppet because... someone said Trump wants to ban assault rifles? Florida doesn't even have open carry without permits, but RDS wants to charge up that hill? Sure.
The hilarious part is that RDS had to go from "well I don't know about this porn star payoff" to "we will not co-operate with the New York oligarchs." Some consultant must have taken him aside to say it doesn't matter how much DeSantis' pussy hurts, if he doesn't condemn the Soros fraud on its merits then it's over. And now it's over for RDS anyways. So sad.
This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (iHBZj)
Haha, I love it! You've lost your mind if you think the guy who cracked Roe vs. Wade is going to lose to the Bushbot puppet because... someone said Trump wants to ban assault rifles? Florida doesn't even have open carry without permits, but RDS wants to charge up that hill? Sure.
The hilarious part is that RDS had to go from "well I don't know about this porn star payoff" to "we will not co-operate with the New York oligarchs." Some consultant must have taken him aside to say it doesn't matter how much DeSantis' pussy hurts, if he doesn't condemn the Soros fraud on its merits then it's over. And now it's over for RDS anyways. So sad.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (DTm0P)
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"This is an Affirmative Action Harvard Law grad. "
Are there any other kind, these days?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (jTmQV)
If one is, they all are. A gallon of ice cream with a spoonful of shit stirred into it is shit, not ice cream.
Are there any other kind, these days?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (jTmQV)
If one is, they all are. A gallon of ice cream with a spoonful of shit stirred into it is shit, not ice cream.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (tkR6S)
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I just saw this:
@ByronYork 6h
Diabolical! Prosecutor Bragg alleges Trump's criminal scheme actually resulted in him paying more taxes than was necessary:'Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.' From
@ByronYork 6h
Diabolical! Prosecutor Bragg alleges Trump's criminal scheme actually resulted in him paying more taxes than was necessary:'Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.' From
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (jzzG8)
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It's quaint that the legal experts are saying how poor this case is, how Bragg went too far and screwed up and will be in deep doodoo.
Because that's what they said while judge Sullivan was riding roughshod over Michael Flynn a few years ago.
Because that's what they said while judge Sullivan was riding roughshod over Michael Flynn a few years ago.
Posted by: Hands at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (786Ro)
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Ciampino, for the pain pill constipation, I had really good luck making morning smoothies from a pint of fruit, yogurt and whey, and a pint of water or milk. It kept me hydrated, and gave me lots of fiber. If you use milk and let the blender run long enough it turns into a milkshake consistency
It tastes better than Miralax
It tastes better than Miralax
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (xhaym)
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So, the point of a Republican candidate should be to appeal to working class voters at higher rates than Democrats appeal to suburban voters.
DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
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Can he do that in PA, a place where the new Secretary of State organized the steal of 2022? Can he do that in AZ, where the new governor organized the steal in 2022?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (LvTSG)
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Nope.
DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
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Can he do that in PA, a place where the new Secretary of State organized the steal of 2022? Can he do that in AZ, where the new governor organized the steal in 2022?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:45 PM (LvTSG)
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Nope.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (UVyKP)
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"I wish we could somehow combine the two, because both have qualities the other lacks
Trumptis?
Desantump?"
Thinking: Rondon Trumpantis.
Trumptis?
Desantump?"
Thinking: Rondon Trumpantis.
Posted by: Boxx Culvert, brandon needs a new OS at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (mFCvH)
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If DeSantis can beat Trump he will get my vote. He is currently more than 20 points down in virtually every poll. Why are you supporting someone who can't seem to even beat Trump?
Glad to hear it. That's what I've called for all along. Trump is doing better now because of what the Dems are doing. Like I said, he's a known commodity with a hard ceiling. DeSantis isn't even running yet. I like his chances going forward. However, if he chooses not to run, or if he loses to Trump in the primaries, I'll support Trump in the general. I'm not an OTer and I'm not an NTer.
Glad to hear it. That's what I've called for all along. Trump is doing better now because of what the Dems are doing. Like I said, he's a known commodity with a hard ceiling. DeSantis isn't even running yet. I like his chances going forward. However, if he chooses not to run, or if he loses to Trump in the primaries, I'll support Trump in the general. I'm not an OTer and I'm not an NTer.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (eOEVl)
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So instead of admitting what law he is pretending to be prosecuting, Alvin Bragg just says, literally, "the law doesn't require me to disclose what law I'm claiming was violated, so I'm not disclosing that."
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Alvin "the Fat Chipmunk" Bragg sounds like a three year old busted with chocolate on their face.
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Alvin "the Fat Chipmunk" Bragg sounds like a three year old busted with chocolate on their face.
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (Z32m1)
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Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (us2H3)
The re-election of Gretchen Whitmer and yesterday's Wisconsin Supreme Court contest pretty much indicates it doesn't matter at all who the nominee is. I will vote for Trump only because it acts as a no-confidence vote in the United States, not because I think he can win. That ship has sailed, and people need to start thinking past elections now.
The re-election of Gretchen Whitmer and yesterday's Wisconsin Supreme Court contest pretty much indicates it doesn't matter at all who the nominee is. I will vote for Trump only because it acts as a no-confidence vote in the United States, not because I think he can win. That ship has sailed, and people need to start thinking past elections now.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (KSNKu)
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This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
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That would be so badass to have politicians that listened to their constituents.
See #135
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That would be so badass to have politicians that listened to their constituents.
See #135
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (/F4Jb)
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If Alvin Bragg and Ana Navarro tried to bang would they be able to touch genitals?
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (eGTCV)
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This is what you get when you compromise your principles and morals and throw your support behind a man who proudly associated with Hollywood freaks for decades, then turned on dime to pose as a conservative savior.
Face it, he cheated on his wife with a porn star. He's no better than Clinton, John Edwards, Mark Warner, etc.
He caused this. No, it's not fair, yes it's an outrageous travesty, and yes, if it wasn't this issue, the left would just find something else to attack him over. But he opened this particular door when he dropped his pants -- or if he didn't actually bang Daniels, she was at least close enough to him to create room for doubt. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
It's reprehensible that there are no actual conservatives -- not just Bulwark pansies -- willing to call him out.
Face it, he cheated on his wife with a porn star. He's no better than Clinton, John Edwards, Mark Warner, etc.
He caused this. No, it's not fair, yes it's an outrageous travesty, and yes, if it wasn't this issue, the left would just find something else to attack him over. But he opened this particular door when he dropped his pants -- or if he didn't actually bang Daniels, she was at least close enough to him to create room for doubt. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
It's reprehensible that there are no actual conservatives -- not just Bulwark pansies -- willing to call him out.
Posted by: Still A Putz at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (1dzqn)
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With the cultural chaos still sweeping the nation, WI just elected a progressive to their supreme court by about 11%.
I think progressives and wine moms are fine with our cultural moment.
I think progressives and wine moms are fine with our cultural moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (LvTSG)
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I'm not familiar with many people in Congress, personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (LvTSG)
Not many are in the grand scheme of things.
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I'm not familiar with many people in Congress, personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (LvTSG)
Not many are in the grand scheme of things.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (IXZGh)
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DeSantis won by 60%. You don't do that without the working class vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
DeSantis won by 19 points, but that was as much due to Charlie Crist being a political joke who got nearly a million fewer votes than Andrew Gillum. Turnout actually declined by 400k votes from 2018.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:42 PM (eOEVl)
DeSantis won by 19 points, but that was as much due to Charlie Crist being a political joke who got nearly a million fewer votes than Andrew Gillum. Turnout actually declined by 400k votes from 2018.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (wmDcS)
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>>'Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.'
Diabolical
Diabolical
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (SIRiz)
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He was in Congress! Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (SIRiz)
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Bro i dont even know who my own senators are
I only know who my rep is because I met him once and looked up his record to make sure he didnt vote to impeach trump both times before I voted for him
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Bro i dont even know who my own senators are
I only know who my rep is because I met him once and looked up his record to make sure he didnt vote to impeach trump both times before I voted for him
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (VTu1l)
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"I wish we could somehow combine the two, because both have qualities the other lacks
Trumptis?
Desantump?"
Thinking: Rondon Trumpantis.
Posted by: Boxx Culvert, brandon needs a new OS at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (mFCvH)
Ronald Trump.
Trumptis?
Desantump?"
Thinking: Rondon Trumpantis.
Posted by: Boxx Culvert, brandon needs a new OS at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (mFCvH)
Ronald Trump.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (7R+co)
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God sacrificed His only Son, who lived a sinless life. There can be no greater sin, nor lesser price to pay to deny salvation for those who profess their faith in Jesus.
Jesus did nothing wrong, yet paid with his life. There is no sin you can commit, nor price you can pay for salvation beyond professing faith.
This isn't about Trump. I am not drawing parallels. It is a reminder that we live in a Godless world, but He has a plan and He wins.
Jesus did nothing wrong, yet paid with his life. There is no sin you can commit, nor price you can pay for salvation beyond professing faith.
This isn't about Trump. I am not drawing parallels. It is a reminder that we live in a Godless world, but He has a plan and He wins.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (WzJYQ)
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>>he was basically an unknown then, as much as I like DeSantis especially because he doesn't write in ALL CAPS ON TRUTH SOCIAL SAYING ZANY THINGS, even my parents dont trust him and think he's a RINO plant whose true colors simply havent come out yet
He was a 3 term Congressman from FL. If he was unknown that was his fault.
This is politics not a debate society. They idea is to be known when you are seeking higher office.
Like him or not Trump is fantastic at retail politics. He makes himself known to everyone. That's a big reason he took down the Inevitable Hillary. And he did it the running for the first political job of his career.
This need by some to diminish what was probably the best president we've had in our lifetimes on style points is beyond weird. We aren't voting for a boyfriend, we aren't the left, we are voting for the best fighter for our side.
He was a 3 term Congressman from FL. If he was unknown that was his fault.
This is politics not a debate society. They idea is to be known when you are seeking higher office.
Like him or not Trump is fantastic at retail politics. He makes himself known to everyone. That's a big reason he took down the Inevitable Hillary. And he did it the running for the first political job of his career.
This need by some to diminish what was probably the best president we've had in our lifetimes on style points is beyond weird. We aren't voting for a boyfriend, we aren't the left, we are voting for the best fighter for our side.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (ZLI7S)
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BTW, in NC a Dem member of the General Assembly switched parties. He is now a Republican. This means the Republicans now have supermajorities in both the NC Senate AND the NC General Assembly. Veto-proof majorities means a new Voter ID law would pass whether King Cooper signs the bill or not.
Posted by: mrp at April 05, 2023 12:50 PM (rj6Yv)
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"Trump lost something like 20% of his net worth during his term and subsequently."
Wow, he really is just like me.
Wow, he really is just like me.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (SIRiz)
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Why are you supporting someone who can't seem to even beat Trump?
Wanna support some who *can* seem to beat Trump? Vote for Biden.
Wanna support some who *can* seem to beat Trump? Vote for Biden.
Posted by: Hands at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (786Ro)
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I wish we could somehow combine the two, because both have qualities the other lacks
Trumptis?
Desantump?
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But what if our child got my looks and your brains, madam?
Trumptis?
Desantump?
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But what if our child got my looks and your brains, madam?
Posted by: zombie george bernard shaw at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (Vwz3I)
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There's no fineness to it. It's blunt and obvious.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (LvTSG)
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It does take some amount of effort and coordination. Which districts that are needed to be swamped with phony ballots. Disengaging voting machines at the right places. Involving a number of lackeys to do the down and dirty.
There's no fineness to it. It's blunt and obvious.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (LvTSG)
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It does take some amount of effort and coordination. Which districts that are needed to be swamped with phony ballots. Disengaging voting machines at the right places. Involving a number of lackeys to do the down and dirty.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (ySZtE)
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Was that a blue check mark Ace?
Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (NaVNg)
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (/F4Jb)
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Then they can all go to Hell, and I will go to the Hungary.
Posted by: Zombie Davey Crockett
Are there any Gabor sisters left?
Then they can all go to Hell, and I will go to the Hungary.
Posted by: Zombie Davey Crockett
Are there any Gabor sisters left?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (63Dwl)
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It really is a bullshit case. Would not surprise me in the least though if he gets convicted.
If someone in Brooklyn can get 10 years of prison for making an anti-Hillary meme, anything is possible. The jury pool will be rigged.
Originally, I thought they were going after him on state tax fraud for calling something a business expense that was not a business expense. That would also be bullshit for how they prosecuted, but that at least had some plausibility. But these charges on campaign finances are a joke.
If someone in Brooklyn can get 10 years of prison for making an anti-Hillary meme, anything is possible. The jury pool will be rigged.
Originally, I thought they were going after him on state tax fraud for calling something a business expense that was not a business expense. That would also be bullshit for how they prosecuted, but that at least had some plausibility. But these charges on campaign finances are a joke.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (cOFom)
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Are we still arguing about the Trump Christ parallel memes?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (zZu0s)
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349 You can't claim an Elected Representative is UNKNOWN in his State.
Sorry.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (SIRiz)
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In a state with almost 30 representatives in Congress?
I think it's a fine thing to say.
Sorry.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (SIRiz)
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In a state with almost 30 representatives in Congress?
I think it's a fine thing to say.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (LvTSG)
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I almost feel sorry for McCarthy. He uses all these words in the article to tell you what the law says, and how the law works. Does he not get it yet? There is no rule of law anymore. There's what the government wants to do. Period.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
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If DeSantis can beat Trump he will get my vote. He is currently more than 20 points down in virtually every poll. Why are you supporting someone who can't seem to even beat Trump?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ZLI7S)
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"Putin is finally done with that loser Trump and will steal the 2024 nomination and election for his new puppet DeSantis!"
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:44 PM (ZLI7S)
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"Putin is finally done with that loser Trump and will steal the 2024 nomination and election for his new puppet DeSantis!"
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (YXBlM)
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303 Just how fat is Alvin Bragg?
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eGTCV)
Stormy couldn't suck him thru a 4 ft culvert pipe
Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 05, 2023 12:46 PM (eGTCV)
Stormy couldn't suck him thru a 4 ft culvert pipe
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (us2H3)
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He received 919,799 votes (3.4 percent). And he was disenfranchised when convicted. I was checking to see if he was on the ballot in WI and he was. Of course, we are talking about a socialist here, but they weren't popular at the time.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (u7leW)
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Stop projecting your values onto them. Wine Moms are interested in one thing - their status with the other Wine Moms. They'll sacrifice their husbands and sons, if necessary, to save their own status.
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Exactly correct. Its hardwired evolutionary biology their survival instinct is to be in with the herd.
They go the bathroom in packs. They are herd animals. The calculate their survival based upon their centrality to the herd. (the predators eat the outliers first, get full and go away. the highest status cows are in the center of the herd. this is why the strive to be so conformist. Its a survival mechanism. Karen/Becky/Michelle want to do whatever the other girls say is cool so they will be inside and not on the flanks.
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Exactly correct. Its hardwired evolutionary biology their survival instinct is to be in with the herd.
They go the bathroom in packs. They are herd animals. The calculate their survival based upon their centrality to the herd. (the predators eat the outliers first, get full and go away. the highest status cows are in the center of the herd. this is why the strive to be so conformist. Its a survival mechanism. Karen/Becky/Michelle want to do whatever the other girls say is cool so they will be inside and not on the flanks.
Posted by: Its not that they can't think for themselves they choose to conform at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (rXEiG)
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Then they can all go to Hell, and I will go to the Hungary.
Posted by: Zombie Davey Crockett
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After the steal it became:
It will all go to Hell, and I will go hungry
Posted by: Zombie Davey Crockett
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After the steal it became:
It will all go to Hell, and I will go hungry
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (/F4Jb)
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"The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed."
Will any judge, or a majority of judges on appeals courts, in New York State have the courage to dismiss the charges? At a minimum anyone dismissing the charges will not be re-elected. At worst...you know what.
Will any judge, or a majority of judges on appeals courts, in New York State have the courage to dismiss the charges? At a minimum anyone dismissing the charges will not be re-elected. At worst...you know what.
Posted by: Gref at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (AMIL/)
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Is this the end for Ricco?
Posted by: Archer at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (gmo/4)
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>>>This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Breaking: DeSantis is a politician; he will sell us out. Source: Rubio's garbage.
Breaking: DeSantis is a politician; he will sell us out. Source: Rubio's garbage.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (7R+co)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (WzJYQ)
Posted by: Not voting our way out at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (kJ8xU)
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Andrew McCarthy is surprised by the completely predictable consequences of supporting the people and policies that he supports.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (2tUFv)
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>>Glad to hear it. That's what I've called for all along.
That's what I've said all along. How about you, are you going to vote for Trump if he wins the nomination which increasingly looks like the result?
That's what I've said all along. How about you, are you going to vote for Trump if he wins the nomination which increasingly looks like the result?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (ZLI7S)
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He was a 3 term Congressman from FL. If he was unknown that was his fault.
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Maybe, congressmen as a whole simply have a lower public profile regardless of what they do. They only make the national spotlight when theyre really making crazy noise, like Gaetz, MTG, or Boebert
DeSantis doesnt really have the personality that would have put him in the national spotlight until he became governor
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Maybe, congressmen as a whole simply have a lower public profile regardless of what they do. They only make the national spotlight when theyre really making crazy noise, like Gaetz, MTG, or Boebert
DeSantis doesnt really have the personality that would have put him in the national spotlight until he became governor
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (VTu1l)
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>>In a state with almost 30 representatives in Congress?
It wasn't a National Vote. It was a State Vote. In a State he had achieved nomination and election in 3x(right? At least 2).
It wasn't a National Vote. It was a State Vote. In a State he had achieved nomination and election in 3x(right? At least 2).
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (SIRiz)
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372 Maybe, congressmen as a whole simply have a lower public profile regardless of what they do. They only make the national spotlight when theyre really making crazy noise, like Gaetz, MTG, or Boebert
DeSantis doesnt really have the personality that would have put him in the national spotlight until he became governor
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (VTu1l)
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I know who my congresscritter is (Nancy Mace), but I don't think I could name more than one other (Clyburn) from SC.
DeSantis doesnt really have the personality that would have put him in the national spotlight until he became governor
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (VTu1l)
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I know who my congresscritter is (Nancy Mace), but I don't think I could name more than one other (Clyburn) from SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (LvTSG)
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>>351 I wish we could somehow combine the two, because both have qualities the other lacks
Like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers banjo-manface-dogbody creature.
Like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers banjo-manface-dogbody creature.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (vpm59)
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Absolutely agree. There is no evidence, none, that DeSantis is being influenced by the GOPe. This would be a legitimate primary situation except for the Democrats interference. This is what they want. Split the pro America Republicans with a false dichotomy. You are being duped.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (Y+l9t)
You can ignore the mountains of evidence that the Kochs and Bushes are pumping insane resources into Ron DeSantis, but that doesn't matter anymore. Even if DeSantis had the charisma to persuade most of the MAGA base that the donors have zero influence on him (total lie), not even the New Yorkers believe that, which is why they're pressing forward with a quixotic indictment.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 12:47 PM (Y+l9t)
You can ignore the mountains of evidence that the Kochs and Bushes are pumping insane resources into Ron DeSantis, but that doesn't matter anymore. Even if DeSantis had the charisma to persuade most of the MAGA base that the donors have zero influence on him (total lie), not even the New Yorkers believe that, which is why they're pressing forward with a quixotic indictment.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (DTm0P)
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Trump should invoke and demand a speedy trial.
He needs to move on from this distraction.
I hope his lawyers are filing that demand today.
He needs to move on from this distraction.
I hope his lawyers are filing that demand today.
Posted by: Czech Chick at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (6Tc2R)
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How much of our political turmoil is because of ChiCom intelligence operations?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (WzJYQ)
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359 I almost feel sorry for McCarthy. He uses all these words in the article to tell you what the law says, and how the law works. Does he not get it yet? There is no rule of law anymore. There's what the government wants to do. Period.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
Exactly. It is like an in-depth Bigfoot analysis.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
Exactly. It is like an in-depth Bigfoot analysis.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (KSNKu)
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373 It wasn't a National Vote. It was a State Vote. In a State he had achieved nomination and election in 3x(right? At least 2).
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (SIRiz)
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What are you talking about?
He was a representative from a single district in FL for 6 years. That's not a statewide vote. That's a vote within a single district.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (SIRiz)
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What are you talking about?
He was a representative from a single district in FL for 6 years. That's not a statewide vote. That's a vote within a single district.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (LvTSG)
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Stop projecting your values onto them. Wine Moms
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White Liberal Karens are the absolute worst thing this country has ever produced
and this is with the knowledge that we invented disco
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White Liberal Karens are the absolute worst thing this country has ever produced
and this is with the knowledge that we invented disco
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (VTu1l)
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DeSantis barely won his first race in red FL against a commie crackhead and he only did it with a huge assist from Trump
I keep seeing this here from the hard core Trump supporters. 2018 was not a good year for Republicans. DeSantis outperformed Rick Scott and other Republicans in statewide races in Florida.
Do we have to continually trash DeSantis to prop up Trump? I will gladly vote for Trump in 2024, and hope that DeSantis becomes a Trump surrogate, but give it a rest.
I keep seeing this here from the hard core Trump supporters. 2018 was not a good year for Republicans. DeSantis outperformed Rick Scott and other Republicans in statewide races in Florida.
Do we have to continually trash DeSantis to prop up Trump? I will gladly vote for Trump in 2024, and hope that DeSantis becomes a Trump surrogate, but give it a rest.
Posted by: tofer732 at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (fatpD)
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"This is an Affirmative Action Harvard Law grad. "
Are there any other kind, these days?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (jTmQV)
If one is, they all are. A gallon of ice cream with a spoonful of shit stirred into it is shit, not ice cream.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (tkR6S)
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The only difference from incompetent affirmative action grads and incompetent "legacy" grads is the bank accounts of their parentage.
Are there any other kind, these days?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 12:22 PM (jTmQV)
If one is, they all are. A gallon of ice cream with a spoonful of shit stirred into it is shit, not ice cream.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 12:49 PM (tkR6S)
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The only difference from incompetent affirmative action grads and incompetent "legacy" grads is the bank accounts of their parentage.
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (Z32m1)
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DeSantis won by 19 points, but that was as much due to Charlie Crist being a political joke
As opposed to the political dynamo that is Joe Biden?
As opposed to the political dynamo that is Joe Biden?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (eOEVl)
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"The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed."
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I'm not getting your point...
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I'm not getting your point...
Posted by: Hon. Emmet Sullivan at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (krQz2)
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I almost feel sorry for McCarthy. He uses all these words in the article to tell you what the law says, and how the law works. Does he not get it yet? There is no rule of law anymore. There's what the government wants to do. Period.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
Exactly. It is like an in-depth Bigfoot analysis.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (KSNKu)
lol, yep
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
Exactly. It is like an in-depth Bigfoot analysis.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 12:55 PM (KSNKu)
lol, yep
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (7R+co)
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What's the over/under on the number of States getting flooded by an Atlanta drinking fountain in Nov. 2024? The last count was six. I'm taking the over.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (JxBIy)
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The hilarious part is that RDS had to go from "well I don't know about this porn star payoff" to "we will not co-operate with the New York oligarchs." Some consultant must have taken him aside to say it doesn't matter how much DeSantis' pussy hurts, if he doesn't condemn the Soros fraud on its merits then it's over. And now it's over for RDS anyways. So sad.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (DTm0P)
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We will see how smart he is. Trump will be the nominee. If RDS is smart, he will let Trump have another shot at Biden. He should campaign for him, be a good soldier. But charging up the nomination hill just get mowed down by the dem cheat machine. Why.
I get it that anyone who has presidential ambitions has a massive ego. So, they probably won't either of them be smart.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (DTm0P)
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We will see how smart he is. Trump will be the nominee. If RDS is smart, he will let Trump have another shot at Biden. He should campaign for him, be a good soldier. But charging up the nomination hill just get mowed down by the dem cheat machine. Why.
I get it that anyone who has presidential ambitions has a massive ego. So, they probably won't either of them be smart.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (UVyKP)
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I almost feel sorry for McCarthy. He uses all these words in the article to tell you what the law says, and how the law works. Does he not get it yet? There is no rule of law anymore. There's what the government wants to do. Period.
Posted by: Wally
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Wally my friend look around even in these comments. There are many in denial. if we only had better candidates!!! No. The ship is holed, and going down. Find something that floats.
Posted by: Wally
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Wally my friend look around even in these comments. There are many in denial. if we only had better candidates!!! No. The ship is holed, and going down. Find something that floats.
Posted by: The stages of grief apply to the death of a republic at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (xJcSQ)
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he was basically an unknown then, as much as I like DeSantis especially because he doesn't write in ALL CAPS ON TRUTH SOCIAL SAYING ZANY THINGS, even my parents dont trust him and think he's a RINO plant whose true colors simply havent come out yet
trust no one
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead
I don't think Ron DeSantis is a RINO plant, but I do wonder how he will perform on the National Stage, when he does not have the "F-U" money that Trump has.
Ron will have to deal with the National GOPe, and it is important to remember that the top 100 or so donors that finance the GOPe largely have more in common with the top 100 donors that control the DNC than they do with us.
Ron is a good guy. I have no problem with him. But he will be compromised by his own party, just as Donald Trump was, if he compaigns as he has worked as the Governor of Florida.
I think Donald Trump is an asshole sometimes, but he is on our side.
And I don't think there is a path to winning an election for any Republican in 2024, whether it is Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, Youngkin or Ronald Reagan, back from the dead.
trust no one
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead
I don't think Ron DeSantis is a RINO plant, but I do wonder how he will perform on the National Stage, when he does not have the "F-U" money that Trump has.
Ron will have to deal with the National GOPe, and it is important to remember that the top 100 or so donors that finance the GOPe largely have more in common with the top 100 donors that control the DNC than they do with us.
Ron is a good guy. I have no problem with him. But he will be compromised by his own party, just as Donald Trump was, if he compaigns as he has worked as the Governor of Florida.
I think Donald Trump is an asshole sometimes, but he is on our side.
And I don't think there is a path to winning an election for any Republican in 2024, whether it is Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, Youngkin or Ronald Reagan, back from the dead.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (vcOmj)
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>>He was a representative from a single district in FL for 6 years. That's not a statewide vote. That's a vote within a single district.
So. 3x he ran and won in his district and then went on to represent the State.
How does that amke him 'unknown' in Florida?
That's patently retarded.
So. 3x he ran and won in his district and then went on to represent the State.
How does that amke him 'unknown' in Florida?
That's patently retarded.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (SIRiz)
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109 But still, the point remains, these jerkwads are being elected by margins that are absurdly low and are given tremendous power to literally change the course of history and the lives of every person on this planet and it's being done with the vote equivalent of the number of people you could fit in a phone booth.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (XFPre)
Because THEY actually have Killer Instinct and realize that in order to win, you have to cause actual harm the people you hate.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:26 PM (XFPre)
Because THEY actually have Killer Instinct and realize that in order to win, you have to cause actual harm the people you hate.
Posted by: XTC at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (UnA8+)
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Watched Trump's speech last night and he reiterated all the injustices he has suffered. Everyone cheered.
When are he and the Republicans going to fight, instead of piss and moan?
Trump needs to just say "Biden has committed treason." And then proceed to make the case. Show the receipts. To hell with the law, try Biden in the court of public opinion, too.
Don't say anything else but "Biden has committed treason, here, here, and here." Let the media figure out how to cover the election, since you will not say anything but what they dare not quote!
We all know you were screwed. So were we. But unlike us, you can do something about it, so shut up and nail Biden!!
When are he and the Republicans going to fight, instead of piss and moan?
Trump needs to just say "Biden has committed treason." And then proceed to make the case. Show the receipts. To hell with the law, try Biden in the court of public opinion, too.
Don't say anything else but "Biden has committed treason, here, here, and here." Let the media figure out how to cover the election, since you will not say anything but what they dare not quote!
We all know you were screwed. So were we. But unlike us, you can do something about it, so shut up and nail Biden!!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (AcLxR)
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Convincing the wine moms, and for that matter the disaffected minority Democrats of whatever ethnic persuasion, to vote Republican isn't the goal. That's not realistic. A realistic goal is to make them less enthusiastic about getting out to vote Democrat. Sure, some can be won over, but not enough to make a difference.
The election strategy needs to be to get inside the Democrat Party and promote infighting. Financially back both the black and brown candidate who are running against each other. Or the LGBT and the Muslim. It doesn't matter which one wins; the goal is to discourage the supporters of the other one from coming out in November.
The election strategy needs to be to get inside the Democrat Party and promote infighting. Financially back both the black and brown candidate who are running against each other. Or the LGBT and the Muslim. It doesn't matter which one wins; the goal is to discourage the supporters of the other one from coming out in November.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (7B5FA)
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One of the problems with polls is that they use past performance as an indicator of future returns. Their turnout models are based on previous elections. When turnout doesn't match previous elections, the polls are wrong. They were wrong in 2016 because they didn't account for the huge white working class turnout for Trump. They were wrong in 2022 because they didn't account for the 18-29 yr old single females that came out for abortion.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (t4BDZ)
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I know who my congresscritter is (Nancy Mace), but I don't think I could name more than one other (Clyburn) from SC.
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I know my rep too, he is reliably conservative but so non-controversial that I wouldnt have even known who he was until I met him
Sort of like Scott Walker, only actually conservative
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I know my rep too, he is reliably conservative but so non-controversial that I wouldnt have even known who he was until I met him
Sort of like Scott Walker, only actually conservative
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (VTu1l)
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Trump should consider demanding his right to a speedy trial. That would end the 12/4 do nothing next hearing and put pressure on Alvin and the Chipmunks to piss or get off the pot.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (FVME7)
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How about you, are you going to vote for Trump if he wins the nomination which increasingly looks like the result?
I have been rock solid in saying that since before the T-D wars began.
I have been rock solid in saying that since before the T-D wars began.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (eOEVl)
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Next hearing is DECEMBER?
really? It's April, wow.
really? It's April, wow.
Posted by: Inogame at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (53oGX)
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391 So. 3x he ran and won in his district and then went on to represent the State.
How does that amke him 'unknown' in Florida?
That's patently retarded.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (SIRiz)
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His first exposure to the state as a whole was his first run as governor. That's the point of the conversation, right? His win over Gillum in 2018? He was an unknown across the state, except in his district.
How does that amke him 'unknown' in Florida?
That's patently retarded.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (SIRiz)
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His first exposure to the state as a whole was his first run as governor. That's the point of the conversation, right? His win over Gillum in 2018? He was an unknown across the state, except in his district.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (LvTSG)
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Andrew McCarthy is surprised by the completely predictable consequences of supporting the people and policies that he supports.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (2tUFv)
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It seems he never tires of being surprised these days.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 05, 2023 12:53 PM (2tUFv)
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It seems he never tires of being surprised these days.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (krQz2)
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Convincing the wine moms
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they cannot be convinced of anything, they can only be fucked silly into seeing the light
and when you notice the soytards they are married to, you start to see the source of the problem
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they cannot be convinced of anything, they can only be fucked silly into seeing the light
and when you notice the soytards they are married to, you start to see the source of the problem
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (VTu1l)
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>>379 359 I almost feel sorry for McCarthy. He uses all these words in the article to tell you what the law says, and how the law works. Does he not get it yet? There is no rule of law anymore. There's what the government wants to do. Period.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
Not unlike the voluminous Scientology texts that don't just assert that we're all amnesiac gods who fell into a volcano ten thousand billion years ago and can understand what dogs are saying to each other.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (FJYfm)
Not unlike the voluminous Scientology texts that don't just assert that we're all amnesiac gods who fell into a volcano ten thousand billion years ago and can understand what dogs are saying to each other.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (vpm59)
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368 Face it, he cheated on his wife with a porn star.
to keep my now wife from going off with me
her sister put a few women up to lying to her about me
luckily, one of them a few years later told my wife the truth
so don't be so sure the whore's telling the truth
to keep my now wife from going off with me
her sister put a few women up to lying to her about me
luckily, one of them a few years later told my wife the truth
so don't be so sure the whore's telling the truth
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (us2H3)
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DeSantis seems to be able to govern. He seems to have done so in a conservative manner in Florida. He erred on the side of freedom with the pandemic. That's a big plus in my yes column. I'd rather he stay my governor for this election cycle unless something happens to President Trump.
Posted by: Unkaren at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (LPkjK)
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Hey Ace, Variety printed a Don Lemon story detailing his long history of bad behavior toward women. There appears to be some new info in there that's pretty damning, including sending anonymous semi-threatening notes that got traced back to him.
https://bit.ly/3zAprQ4
https://bit.ly/3zAprQ4
Posted by: bonhomme at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (j2Xg6)
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Trump should invoke and demand a speedy trial. He needs to move on from this distraction. I hope his lawyers are filing that demand today.
If I've learned the correct lessons from watching Trump - he'll do exactly the opposite. Trump sees this as attention, and the man craves attention like an alcoholic craves another drink. There is no way in Hell Trump would accept speeding this up.
And if his current group of advisors are of the same ilk as those who advised him during his Presidency ? Then they're stroking the old man's ego with all these campaign contribution totals and flattery about how he owned the cameras - while Donald keeps his head in the lion's mouth that much longer.
If I've learned the correct lessons from watching Trump - he'll do exactly the opposite. Trump sees this as attention, and the man craves attention like an alcoholic craves another drink. There is no way in Hell Trump would accept speeding this up.
And if his current group of advisors are of the same ilk as those who advised him during his Presidency ? Then they're stroking the old man's ego with all these campaign contribution totals and flattery about how he owned the cameras - while Donald keeps his head in the lion's mouth that much longer.
Posted by: Perfect Hair at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (iQE+/)
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394 Convincing the wine moms, and for that matter the disaffected minority Democrats of whatever ethnic persuasion, to vote Republican isn't the goal. That's not realistic. A realistic goal is to make them less enthusiastic about getting out to vote Democrat. Sure, some can be won over, but not enough to make a difference.
The election strategy needs to be to get inside the Democrat Party and promote infighting. Financially back both the black and brown candidate who are running against each other. Or the LGBT and the Muslim. It doesn't matter which one wins; the goal is to discourage the supporters of the other one from coming out in November.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (7B5FA)
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Look at the WI supreme court results from last night. The left is happy with our cultural and political movement, and they are happy to vote to continue it.
That includes wine moms.
The election strategy needs to be to get inside the Democrat Party and promote infighting. Financially back both the black and brown candidate who are running against each other. Or the LGBT and the Muslim. It doesn't matter which one wins; the goal is to discourage the supporters of the other one from coming out in November.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (7B5FA)
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Look at the WI supreme court results from last night. The left is happy with our cultural and political movement, and they are happy to vote to continue it.
That includes wine moms.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (LvTSG)
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Florida doesn't even have open carry without permits, but RDS wants to charge up that hill? Sure.
Actually Desantis just signed something like that into law/
Actually Desantis just signed something like that into law/
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (xhaym)
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>>His first exposure to the state as a whole was his first run as governor.
No. His first exposure to the State as a whole was when he was sent to DC to represent them. 6 Years Prior.
No. His first exposure to the State as a whole was when he was sent to DC to represent them. 6 Years Prior.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (SIRiz)
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This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
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Ah yes based on a HotAir report that claims "Person" overheard him saying it. Person. It MUST be true!!!
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Ah yes based on a HotAir report that claims "Person" overheard him saying it. Person. It MUST be true!!!
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (Fqfa1)
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>>I keep seeing this here from the hard core Trump supporters. 2018 was not a good year for Republicans. DeSantis outperformed Rick Scott and other Republicans in statewide races in Florida.
No, you keep seeing it in the history books cause that's exactly what happened. DeSantis wasn't even winning the Republican nomination until Trump endorsed him and held rallies for him. DeSantis even ran ads with his young son building a wall out of blocks. He ran as a Trump candidate.
And let me ask you the same thing because for many of us it goes the other way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
No, you keep seeing it in the history books cause that's exactly what happened. DeSantis wasn't even winning the Republican nomination until Trump endorsed him and held rallies for him. DeSantis even ran ads with his young son building a wall out of blocks. He ran as a Trump candidate.
And let me ask you the same thing because for many of us it goes the other way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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i know who one congresscritter from my state is!
hint: she looks like she could chew through a 2 by 4
hint: she looks like she could chew through a 2 by 4
Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (B1FKF)
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DeSantis barely won his first race in red FL against a commie crackhead and he only did it with a huge assist from Trump
I keep seeing this here from the hard core Trump supporters. 2018 was not a good year for Republicans. DeSantis outperformed Rick Scott and other Republicans in statewide races in Florida.
Do we have to continually trash DeSantis to prop up Trump? I will gladly vote for Trump in 2024, and hope that DeSantis becomes a Trump surrogate, but give it a rest.
Posted by: tofer732
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How about TRUMP 2024 and DESANTIS 2028?
One thing a like about Trump this time out is Trump is saying we need to harvest ballots better than the Democrats from now on. Does ANY? Republican push that?
I keep seeing this here from the hard core Trump supporters. 2018 was not a good year for Republicans. DeSantis outperformed Rick Scott and other Republicans in statewide races in Florida.
Do we have to continually trash DeSantis to prop up Trump? I will gladly vote for Trump in 2024, and hope that DeSantis becomes a Trump surrogate, but give it a rest.
Posted by: tofer732
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How about TRUMP 2024 and DESANTIS 2028?
One thing a like about Trump this time out is Trump is saying we need to harvest ballots better than the Democrats from now on. Does ANY? Republican push that?
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (Z32m1)
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By the way, part of the Democrats strategy is to fracture the coalition that brought Trump into power and prominence. They would like nothing but to have Republicans go back to the party of establishment clowns. Even Democrats no they are obsequious losers who do nothing but help them destroy the country. I'm looking at you, Pence.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (J47y1)
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"The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed."
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I'm not getting your point...
Posted by: Hon. Emmet Sullivan
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golf clap. well made point. See the govt can't even dismiss the case because the Judge can be the prosecutor and judge at the same time (not) We are so far gone, so quickly that it is hard for people to process. Its all over but the shouting - and Biden's laugh at the question of the divisive nature of prosecuting trump was yet another sign.
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I'm not getting your point...
Posted by: Hon. Emmet Sullivan
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golf clap. well made point. See the govt can't even dismiss the case because the Judge can be the prosecutor and judge at the same time (not) We are so far gone, so quickly that it is hard for people to process. Its all over but the shouting - and Biden's laugh at the question of the divisive nature of prosecuting trump was yet another sign.
Posted by: The stages of grief apply to the death of a republic at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (/CyKc)
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I know who my congresscritter is (Nancy Mace), but I don't think I could name more than one other (Clyburn) from SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (LvTSG)
Joe "You Lie" Wilson.....Wm. Timmons (replaced Gowdy) is my rep.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:54 PM (LvTSG)
Joe "You Lie" Wilson.....Wm. Timmons (replaced Gowdy) is my rep.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (SIRiz)
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We keep talking like there is any chance for any republican to win the WH. They released Covid to stop Trump, and the GOPe went along. They stole elections all over the country to stop trump endorsed candidates, and the GOP went along to force the "Trump is electoral poison" narrative in 22. So far, they are blowing up the judicial system to stop him in 24, and it is just getting started. We are on the brink of nuclear war with the east, and losing Saudi Arabia to their side. If you think Trump is just gonna be able to campaign and win the WH if only.... you are dreaming.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (WzJYQ)
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410 >>His first exposure to the state as a whole was his first run as governor.
No. His first exposure to the State as a whole was when he was sent to DC to represent them. 6 Years Prior.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (SIRiz)
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He represents his district, not the state. He didn't go to Miami to ask for votes. He didn't spend time there. He campaigned and talked to voters around Daytona.
No. His first exposure to the State as a whole was when he was sent to DC to represent them. 6 Years Prior.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (SIRiz)
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He represents his district, not the state. He didn't go to Miami to ask for votes. He didn't spend time there. He campaigned and talked to voters around Daytona.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (LvTSG)
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Jeebus, why are talking about DeSantis and Trump? Let's talk about bewbies and snizz.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 05, 2023 01:00 PM (4vi12)
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"tell you what the law says, and how the law works."
Panel of six lawyers give six different opinions/predictions, and when the rubber meets the road, they're all wrong.
Happens over and over and over again.
Panel of six lawyers give six different opinions/predictions, and when the rubber meets the road, they're all wrong.
Happens over and over and over again.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 01:00 PM (MvF+J)
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417 Joe "You Lie" Wilson.....Wm. Timmons (replaced Gowdy) is my rep.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (AwYPR)
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Oh, yeah, Wilson. For some reason I thought he was out of Congress.
Posted by: BignJames at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (AwYPR)
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Oh, yeah, Wilson. For some reason I thought he was out of Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:00 PM (LvTSG)
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in 2918 trump and the republicans still had mueller hanging over them. it was like tweety bird: i tought i taw a putin!.. i did, i did tee a putin!
Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 05, 2023 01:00 PM (B1FKF)
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[i296 This fit blonde in a swimsuit hates primary battles and political show trials, yet still smiles about other things:
https://is.gd/orVVUu
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Yowza.
She could make DeSantis like women again.
https://is.gd/orVVUu
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Yowza.
She could make DeSantis like women again.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (DMyTF)
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Trump as GOP nominee is a guaranteed loss I. 2024, no matter what and even if he has DeSantis as his running mate. DeSantis is a probable loss, but there is a chance. DeSantis would have a much better chance of Trump endorsed him, but Trump won’t because this is about him and not the America First movement of the good of his supporters.
Trump is toxic and, unfortunately mostly ineffective.
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Trump is toxic and, unfortunately mostly ineffective.
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (sItMr)
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For the gloom and despair posters: this is almost a Let It Burn message (for the AOSHQ old timers), which I am prone to dismiss, but the reality is that the coming fiscal crisis, which cannot be prevented or ignored, is going to change the game structurally. I can't tell you how, because no one could possibly know. It is truly uncharted ground and we have an drooling idiot in the White House and no one is in charge. But the paradigm within which we've been living is going to change, possibly before 2024, but certainly in the next few years.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (7B5FA)
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I know who my rep is, but it might localize me too much here. Suffice to say it is a cuck.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (WzJYQ)
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>>He represents his district, not the state. He didn't go to Miami to ask for votes. He didn't spend time there. He campaigned and talked to voters around Daytona.
And went to DC and received National Coverage as a Rep from FL.
Unknown has a definition. He was most certainly NOT unknown.
He had a 6 year Voting Record in the HJouse for Chrissake.
And went to DC and received National Coverage as a Rep from FL.
Unknown has a definition. He was most certainly NOT unknown.
He had a 6 year Voting Record in the HJouse for Chrissake.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (SIRiz)
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424 in 2918 trump and the republicans still had mueller hanging over them. it was like tweety bird: i tought i taw a putin!.. i did, i did tee a putin!
Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 05, 2023 01:00 PM (B1FKF)
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Plus the GOPe outright trying to sabotage a Republican control of Congress.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 05, 2023 01:00 PM (B1FKF)
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Plus the GOPe outright trying to sabotage a Republican control of Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (LvTSG)
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> you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
Even if this is true, I'm happy to support a politician that CAN be pressured to support my preferred positions. Do you think freaking Mitt Romney would allow himself to be pressured to support gun rights if he saw an opportunity to curtail them?
Even if this is true, I'm happy to support a politician that CAN be pressured to support my preferred positions. Do you think freaking Mitt Romney would allow himself to be pressured to support gun rights if he saw an opportunity to curtail them?
Posted by: bonhomme at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (j2Xg6)
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None of this matters. We can whine till the cows come home but unless we stop talking and start doing, this little experiment in republican government is already over.
Posted by: creeper at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (cTCuP)
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Florida doesn't even have open carry without permits, but RDS wants to charge up that hill? Sure.
Actually Desantis just signed something like that into law/
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM
Forget it he's rolling. But yea, that's pretty much what RDS signed.
Actually Desantis just signed something like that into law/
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM
Forget it he's rolling. But yea, that's pretty much what RDS signed.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (GwxCX)
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I'm not familiar with many people in Congress, personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (LvTSG)
The one in my district is a grifting toady. The rest I ignore.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:48 PM (LvTSG)
The one in my district is a grifting toady. The rest I ignore.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (yQpMk)
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Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (sItMr)
now this guy gets it !!
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (sItMr)
now this guy gets it !!
Posted by: Grover Cleveland at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (us2H3)
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429 And went to DC and received National Coverage as a Rep from FL.
Unknown has a definition. He was most certainly NOT unknown.
He had a 6 year Voting Record in the HJouse for Chrissake.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (SIRiz)
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With that definition, there is no unknown politician in the world. They go to state capitols and vote. They go to DC and vote. They go to city councils and vote. None are unknown!
Unknown has a definition. He was most certainly NOT unknown.
He had a 6 year Voting Record in the HJouse for Chrissake.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (SIRiz)
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With that definition, there is no unknown politician in the world. They go to state capitols and vote. They go to DC and vote. They go to city councils and vote. None are unknown!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (LvTSG)
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If you think Trump is just gonna be able to campaign and win the WH if only.... you are dreaming.
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well heres hoping lightning will strike twice since we all thought the same in 2016
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well heres hoping lightning will strike twice since we all thought the same in 2016
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (VTu1l)
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>>Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
You might want to dig up Ronald Reagan and tell him this.
You might want to dig up Ronald Reagan and tell him this.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)
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Like him or not Trump is fantastic at retail politics. He makes himself known to everyone. That's a big reason he took down the Inevitable Hillary. And he did it the running for the first political job of his career.
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Oh c'mon. Hillary has consistently been one of the most hated public figures in years. As we get further away from that sweet win, we must question if he can beat anyone else. And why he's done next to nothing to clean up the voting mess in the states that did him in. I say it again, it doesn't matter who wins the nomination, doesn't matter how good you are at retail politics or how good you are at governing a state. Biden - a literal vegetable of a man will be declared the winner in 2024.
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Oh c'mon. Hillary has consistently been one of the most hated public figures in years. As we get further away from that sweet win, we must question if he can beat anyone else. And why he's done next to nothing to clean up the voting mess in the states that did him in. I say it again, it doesn't matter who wins the nomination, doesn't matter how good you are at retail politics or how good you are at governing a state. Biden - a literal vegetable of a man will be declared the winner in 2024.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (UVyKP)
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His first exposure to the state as a whole was his first run as governor. That's the point of the conversation, right? His win over Gillum in 2018? He was an unknown across the state, except in his district.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (LvTSG
Painting with a fairly broad brush. I live in a different part of Florida, and knew who DeSantis was, mainly from the Freedom Caucus. Also voted for him in the primary, and not due to Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:57 PM (LvTSG
Painting with a fairly broad brush. I live in a different part of Florida, and knew who DeSantis was, mainly from the Freedom Caucus. Also voted for him in the primary, and not due to Trump.
Posted by: tofer732 at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (fatpD)
441
creeper!
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (lis4C)
442
I'd bet that Cohen took the interest deduction for his HELOC loan and Bragg is charging Trump for it as part of this mythical 'conspiracy'.
We are approaching National Razor/heads on pikes time in this country.
We are approaching National Razor/heads on pikes time in this country.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (l7Kbv)
443
"Trump lost something like 20% of his net worth during his term and subsequently."
Wow, he really is just like me.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (MvF+J)
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Heh. As I mentioned yesterday, in likely having to defend against a dozen indictments over the next several years -- we may see the first $1 billion legal bill.
UltraMegaMAGA Lawfare. Trump might have to live on Social Security ... like most of us may ... until it goes bust like the rest of the feral government and economy.
Wow, he really is just like me.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 12:51 PM (MvF+J)
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Heh. As I mentioned yesterday, in likely having to defend against a dozen indictments over the next several years -- we may see the first $1 billion legal bill.
UltraMegaMAGA Lawfare. Trump might have to live on Social Security ... like most of us may ... until it goes bust like the rest of the feral government and economy.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (yeOmr)
444
I hate this goddamn country now. What a fucking travesty.
To think my great grandfather grew up, so fucking privileged, in a cave, a literal hole in the side of a creek-bank in northwest KS, for over 20 years, saved every nickel he ever made, finally built a house, and my grandfather and dad grew up there with no goddamned electricity, or running water, or plumbing, way into the 1950s, not to mention the dozen-plus forebears I have that fought in the Revolutionary War, etc., all to have these America-hating Christ-hating self-serving solipsistic limp dick amoral motherfuckers on the coasts turn this country into a goddamned gulag to cover for their utter incompetence and self-serving kleptocratic malfeasance.
Damn them all to hell.
To think my great grandfather grew up, so fucking privileged, in a cave, a literal hole in the side of a creek-bank in northwest KS, for over 20 years, saved every nickel he ever made, finally built a house, and my grandfather and dad grew up there with no goddamned electricity, or running water, or plumbing, way into the 1950s, not to mention the dozen-plus forebears I have that fought in the Revolutionary War, etc., all to have these America-hating Christ-hating self-serving solipsistic limp dick amoral motherfuckers on the coasts turn this country into a goddamned gulag to cover for their utter incompetence and self-serving kleptocratic malfeasance.
Damn them all to hell.
Posted by: Sloucho at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (Dv8DR)
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I dunno. Middle class America and specifically the suburbs are being ravaged by what's going on. I think eventually even some of those voters will get what is going on. Some, never. But enough to provide an electoral advantage? Yes. Democrats know this. It's why they continue to pursue a divide and conquer strategy. Oh, and it's funny you make them out to be some kindle of Goliath.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (J47y1)
446
By golly, there I was talking about Ukraine again and low and behold someone pulled my pants down around my ankles again.
Posted by: SENATE MAJORITY TURTLE at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (jM1wU)
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440 Painting with a fairly broad brush. I live in a different part of Florida, and knew who DeSantis was, mainly from the Freedom Caucus. Also voted for him in the primary, and not due to Trump.
Posted by: tofer732 at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (fatpD)
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How representative do you think you are of the FL electorate in terms of your knowledge of politics?
Posted by: tofer732 at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (fatpD)
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How representative do you think you are of the FL electorate in terms of your knowledge of politics?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (LvTSG)
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>>Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not). Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (sItMr)
Dear Santa: I've been good this year. Please get Hillary to run again. Your friend Zod.
Dear Santa: I've been good this year. Please get Hillary to run again. Your friend Zod.
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (vpm59)
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39 To give you an Idea of how illegitimate Bragg is and elections generally in NYC.
Bragg got 84 pct of the vote over his GOP opponent, he got a grand total of 212k votes to win.
To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
Do they do what the Chicago pols do and make their elections not only in off years but in February which is historically the worst weather month of the year?
Bragg got 84 pct of the vote over his GOP opponent, he got a grand total of 212k votes to win.
To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
Do they do what the Chicago pols do and make their elections not only in off years but in February which is historically the worst weather month of the year?
Posted by: Inogame at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (53oGX)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (XHLJ8)
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You know, it wasn't a crime crime. Like a rape rape.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (GwxCX)
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>>With that definition, there is no unknown politician in the world.
Vivek seems like he'd qualify as an 'unknown'.
Desantis, in 2016, running for National Office...
sure, I'll cop to unknown.
Not in FL, though.
Vivek seems like he'd qualify as an 'unknown'.
Desantis, in 2016, running for National Office...
sure, I'll cop to unknown.
Not in FL, though.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (SIRiz)
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so don't be so sure the whore's telling the truth
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BELIEVE ALL WOMEN/ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH PENISES
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BELIEVE ALL WOMEN/ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH PENISES
Posted by: The DNC (you can't make this shit up) at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (xJcSQ)
454
the bags of shit they throw at Trump can be easily reaimed at Ron
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (us2H3)
455
DeSantis showed us who he is when he ran to suck off Roves stubby cock.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (qh8B4)
456
Trump is toxic and, unfortunately mostly ineffective.
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Posted by: Brian
Ever hear of Grover Cleveland?
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Posted by: Brian
Ever hear of Grover Cleveland?
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (vcOmj)
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"With the cultural chaos still sweeping the nation, WI just elected a progressive to their supreme court by about 11%."
last thread someone said turnout was 36%. Maybe that is "normal" for a special (?) election, but it shows most are sick of the political insanity, and/or just want to stay in their safe space. Except the well funded left, that I suppose can get out the vote (without ballot harvesting?).
So winning by by 11% is getting say, 20% of the (potential) voter population, versus 16% of the (potential) voter population. The demo of turnout would be interesting.
last thread someone said turnout was 36%. Maybe that is "normal" for a special (?) election, but it shows most are sick of the political insanity, and/or just want to stay in their safe space. Except the well funded left, that I suppose can get out the vote (without ballot harvesting?).
So winning by by 11% is getting say, 20% of the (potential) voter population, versus 16% of the (potential) voter population. The demo of turnout would be interesting.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (Cus5s)
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445 I dunno. Middle class America and specifically the suburbs are being ravaged by what's going on. I think eventually even some of those voters will get what is going on. Some, never. But enough to provide an electoral advantage? Yes. Democrats know this. It's why they continue to pursue a divide and conquer strategy. Oh, and it's funny you make them out to be some kindle of Goliath.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (J47y1)
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Yesterday's elections say that suburban voters are fine with it and want more.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (J47y1)
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Yesterday's elections say that suburban voters are fine with it and want more.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (LvTSG)
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416 "The judge in this case knows this case needs to be dismissed."
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I'm not getting your point...
Posted by: Hon. Emmet Sullivan
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golf clap. well made point. See the govt can't even dismiss the case because the Judge can be the prosecutor and judge at the same time (not) We are so far gone, so quickly that it is hard for people to process. Its all over but the shouting - and Biden's laugh at the question of the divisive nature of prosecuting trump was yet another sign.
Posted by: The stages of grief apply to the death of a republic at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (/CyKc)
The Dems' string-pullers, big donors, supporters, and voters want results. By any means necessary.
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I'm not getting your point...
Posted by: Hon. Emmet Sullivan
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golf clap. well made point. See the govt can't even dismiss the case because the Judge can be the prosecutor and judge at the same time (not) We are so far gone, so quickly that it is hard for people to process. Its all over but the shouting - and Biden's laugh at the question of the divisive nature of prosecuting trump was yet another sign.
Posted by: The stages of grief apply to the death of a republic at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (/CyKc)
The Dems' string-pullers, big donors, supporters, and voters want results. By any means necessary.
Posted by: Gref at April 05, 2023 01:04 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 01:04 PM (VTu1l)
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Ever hear of Grover Cleveland?
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (vcOmj)
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (sItMr)
now this guy gets it !!
Posted by: Grover Cleveland at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (vcOmj)
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (sItMr)
now this guy gets it !!
Posted by: Grover Cleveland at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:04 PM (us2H3)
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457 So winning by by 11% is getting say, 20% of the (potential) voter population, versus 16% of the (potential) voter population. The demo of turnout would be interesting.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (Cus5s)
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I'm going to classify, "I'm so sick of this I'm sitting it out," as "I'm so sick of this I'm actually totally fine with it."
Posted by: illiniwek at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (Cus5s)
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I'm going to classify, "I'm so sick of this I'm sitting it out," as "I'm so sick of this I'm actually totally fine with it."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:04 PM (LvTSG)
463
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
**Richard Nixon has entered the chat**
**Richard Nixon has entered the chat**
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (AW0uW)
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Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
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Only approved candidates from now on.
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+1
Only approved candidates from now on.
Posted by: Biden 2022: I am making sure he does not become the next president again at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (o/smN)
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Gotta wonder, do they think this will hurt or help Trump get the nominee? Last time they wanted him to win, look what happened. If it's to hurt Trump's chance to be the nominee, or distract from all of the Left's failings, wanna bet, that after this is all done, Bragg gets appointed to a federal judgeship as payment for falling on his sword for this catastrophe??
Posted by: ChicagoExPat at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (rxW8q)
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It'll be great if backfires monumentally on Dems and makes Trump popular amongst people who were either on the fence about him, or who now distrust Dems and Biden because of this (or start to realize everything done to him was because Dems/Repubs/Elites/China hate him because he wants to end their criminal empires)
Now if only they can get around the massive voter fraud that will again stop Trump.
Now if only they can get around the massive voter fraud that will again stop Trump.
Posted by: Rbastid at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (ssT9e)
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I just hate the idea that, "We have to get rid of Trump because DeSantis will overcome all of the vote rigging by...winning back suburban wine moms and plugged in political addicts who hate his style"? The wine moms are Democrats through and through, and the latter are probably a population smaller than the entirety of NT.
Not to mention...the cheating.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I certainly don't think DeSantis has it in the bag, if anything it's probably still Biden's to lose even with him as the nom.
But I have zero doubt Trump brings far more negatives than whatever positives Trump brings to the table. Trump will lose simply because of how he'll campaign. And Trump fatigue even among Republicans is very real. Let's be honest, half the people here hate him. How do you think independents and soft Democrats are going to feel?
The whole election will be about Trump, how he's unfairly persecuted, and how the election was stolen from him. And I half way agree with him, and even I know this is a guaranteed losing platform.
Not to mention...the cheating.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I certainly don't think DeSantis has it in the bag, if anything it's probably still Biden's to lose even with him as the nom.
But I have zero doubt Trump brings far more negatives than whatever positives Trump brings to the table. Trump will lose simply because of how he'll campaign. And Trump fatigue even among Republicans is very real. Let's be honest, half the people here hate him. How do you think independents and soft Democrats are going to feel?
The whole election will be about Trump, how he's unfairly persecuted, and how the election was stolen from him. And I half way agree with him, and even I know this is a guaranteed losing platform.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (cOFom)
Posted by: Haiku by Joe Biden at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (BPGV5)
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This doesn't mean that DeSantis is a sell-out -- you know, the way Trump wanted to sell us out on AR-15s before he was pressured not to.
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Hey, I tried telling people Trump was a gamble, but without much need to say it, Hillary was a sure thing in the opposite direction.
Trump wanted to make more deals with the Dems and he campaigned on making deals. We lucked out in the Dems wall of refusal to make deals with an outsider.
But, I have to shake my head that you still don't seem to know what you're getting with Trump. He also asks a lot of questions and throws things out there for his advisors.
I'm not really worried that Trump violated the doctrine about guns if it went no further. He also asked why we couldn't use nukes, but we never came close to using nukes during his term--heck he even declined to kill Iraqis by droning them.
Trump:
1. Works with and within advisors, mainly
2. Likes to make deals
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Hey, I tried telling people Trump was a gamble, but without much need to say it, Hillary was a sure thing in the opposite direction.
Trump wanted to make more deals with the Dems and he campaigned on making deals. We lucked out in the Dems wall of refusal to make deals with an outsider.
But, I have to shake my head that you still don't seem to know what you're getting with Trump. He also asks a lot of questions and throws things out there for his advisors.
I'm not really worried that Trump violated the doctrine about guns if it went no further. He also asked why we couldn't use nukes, but we never came close to using nukes during his term--heck he even declined to kill Iraqis by droning them.
Trump:
1. Works with and within advisors, mainly
2. Likes to make deals
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (krQz2)
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Yesterday's elections say that suburban voters are fine with it and want more.
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We havent hit bottom yet
I say 40% unemployment rate, -25% GDP and a nuke going off somewhere should do the trick
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We havent hit bottom yet
I say 40% unemployment rate, -25% GDP and a nuke going off somewhere should do the trick
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (VTu1l)
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"the bags of shit they throw at Trump can be easily reaimed at Ron"
Dirigible shitbags. Drone shitbags. Shoulder-launched shitbags. Sappers burrow under RDS and plant multiton shitbag charges.
Dirigible shitbags. Drone shitbags. Shoulder-launched shitbags. Sappers burrow under RDS and plant multiton shitbag charges.
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (MvF+J)
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438 >>Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
You might want to dig up Ronald Reagan and tell him this.
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Andy Jackson as well.
You might want to dig up Ronald Reagan and tell him this.
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Andy Jackson as well.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (4vi12)
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Are we still arguing about the Trump Christ parallel memes?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (zZu0s)
carpe Donktum wields sarcasm like a hammer:
Trump greets a very surprised Ron DeSantis, and declares that they will be eating lunch at his house today. DeSantis, who was hiding in a tree at the time, graciously agreed to host the meal.
During a wedding reception at Mar-a-Lago last night, the staff was alerted that all they had left was bud light. According to reports, Trump turned all the bud light into beer.
On the way to his morning tee time, Trump pauses by the water hazard to speak to a few men gathered there. It is being reported that he asked two brothers to join him and they abandoned their fishing poles to follow him throughout the course.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 05, 2023 12:52 PM (zZu0s)
carpe Donktum wields sarcasm like a hammer:
Trump greets a very surprised Ron DeSantis, and declares that they will be eating lunch at his house today. DeSantis, who was hiding in a tree at the time, graciously agreed to host the meal.
During a wedding reception at Mar-a-Lago last night, the staff was alerted that all they had left was bud light. According to reports, Trump turned all the bud light into beer.
On the way to his morning tee time, Trump pauses by the water hazard to speak to a few men gathered there. It is being reported that he asked two brothers to join him and they abandoned their fishing poles to follow him throughout the course.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (xhaym)
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DeSantis showed us who he is when he ran to suck off Roves stubby cock.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (qh8B4)
He needs money; money comes with strings. It's pretty simple, even though people will come up for ever complex rationales for ignoring it.
That money is GOPe's money, and we are not GOPe's constituents.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (qh8B4)
He needs money; money comes with strings. It's pretty simple, even though people will come up for ever complex rationales for ignoring it.
That money is GOPe's money, and we are not GOPe's constituents.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (7R+co)
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Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (7B5FA)
That and whatever nonsense comes out of the Ukraine-Russia war over the next few weeks/months.
I'm debating whether or not to tender my resignation and sit outside the nearest military base until the airburst gets me if/when the news about a "Coalition of the Willing" or outright "NATO" troops enter Western Ukraine to form a buffer zone comes out.
That and whatever nonsense comes out of the Ukraine-Russia war over the next few weeks/months.
I'm debating whether or not to tender my resignation and sit outside the nearest military base until the airburst gets me if/when the news about a "Coalition of the Willing" or outright "NATO" troops enter Western Ukraine to form a buffer zone comes out.
Posted by: Thrawn at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (Rl7KJ)
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472 Andy Jackson as well.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (4vi12)
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Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (4vi12)
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Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (LvTSG)
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We are approaching National Razor/heads on pikes time in this country.
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*points finger*
OPTIMIST!
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*points finger*
OPTIMIST!
Posted by: I can always be worse at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (2mMjY)
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ne thing a like about Trump this time out is Trump is saying we need to harvest ballots better than the Democrats from now on. Does ANY? Republican push that?
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (Z32m1)
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Amen.
Now what resources is he putting behind that to make sure it happens.
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (Z32m1)
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Amen.
Now what resources is he putting behind that to make sure it happens.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (UVyKP)
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Actually Desantis just signed something like that into law/
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (xhaym)
Exactly wrong. The Florida law is for permitless CONCEALED carry, which would only be a big deal in Illinois or Jersey. In reality, most of the red states have long since adopted Constitutional Carry (no permits for open carry, usually requires a holster). .
Adopting concealed carry is a decent start in a state that previously enacted gun restrictions after Parkdale. And your confusion on the issue is understandable given that Conservative Inc. has been insisting that this is actually constitutional carry. But gun rights advocates know the difference, and they won't tolerate being lied to.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 12:58 PM (xhaym)
Exactly wrong. The Florida law is for permitless CONCEALED carry, which would only be a big deal in Illinois or Jersey. In reality, most of the red states have long since adopted Constitutional Carry (no permits for open carry, usually requires a holster). .
Adopting concealed carry is a decent start in a state that previously enacted gun restrictions after Parkdale. And your confusion on the issue is understandable given that Conservative Inc. has been insisting that this is actually constitutional carry. But gun rights advocates know the difference, and they won't tolerate being lied to.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (DTm0P)
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way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
They wouldn't be where they are if they liked Trump. That's what has pushed them in another direction. Not strategy. They think it's strategy because they convinced themselves their problem with Trump equals supporting him being a bad strategy.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
They wouldn't be where they are if they liked Trump. That's what has pushed them in another direction. Not strategy. They think it's strategy because they convinced themselves their problem with Trump equals supporting him being a bad strategy.
Posted by: ... at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (lkvE4)
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Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not).
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Or been drummed out of the race by proving plagiarism?
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Or been drummed out of the race by proving plagiarism?
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (MvF+J)
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Let's just skip to the stage where they charge him 4 millions times for every minute he committed the felony of "being Donald Trump" under section OrangeManBad.
Posted by: Simple Stevo at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (NFaWv)
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Just when I had resigned myself to voting for Trump in the primary as a reaction to the motherfuckery, lying fucking NoRons are pushing me back to a guy who probably isn't even going to declare.
I think I need decaf.
I think I need decaf.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (yQpMk)
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415 By the way, part of the Democrats strategy is to fracture the coalition that brought Trump into power and prominence. They would like nothing but to have Republicans go back to the party of establishment clowns. Even Democrats no they are obsequious losers who do nothing but help them destroy the country. I'm looking at you, Pence.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (J47y1)
Pretty much. My main concern is outside the political realm, though, because that is damaged goods, perhaps forever. This is full-blown totalitarianism--actually more an admission that we are a totalitarian state now. Without a horrible civil war, what can be done? Are there economic ways to stave this off? Social? Cultural? We need to be looking at that because the future is becoming very, very dark.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (J47y1)
Pretty much. My main concern is outside the political realm, though, because that is damaged goods, perhaps forever. This is full-blown totalitarianism--actually more an admission that we are a totalitarian state now. Without a horrible civil war, what can be done? Are there economic ways to stave this off? Social? Cultural? We need to be looking at that because the future is becoming very, very dark.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (KSNKu)
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I'm one semester from a graduate degree at Harvard. There are a few black students and precisely zero black professors.
Getting in is really hard. Graduating is not.
The graduation rate, regardless of race is around 97%. The work isn't really hard.
This is the dirty secret of the Ivy League. One of many actually.
Getting in is really hard. Graduating is not.
The graduation rate, regardless of race is around 97%. The work isn't really hard.
This is the dirty secret of the Ivy League. One of many actually.
Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (zwDuR)
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (sItMr)
488
if your boss ordered you to do something and you thought it was wrong
wouldn't you want to talk it over with your wife ?
wouldn't you want to talk it over with your wife ?
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (us2H3)
489
This will be a beginning of a paradigm shift.
Since, as we have seen, getting an impeachment conviction is virtually impossible, we will see criminal referrals at the end of their term, instead of an impeachment.
Since, as we have seen, getting an impeachment conviction is virtually impossible, we will see criminal referrals at the end of their term, instead of an impeachment.
Posted by: SMOD at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (RovqD)
Posted by: Kara at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (Vwz3I)
491
Gotta wonder, do they think this will hurt or help Trump get the nominee?
Pretty sure that's not how they look at things. They look at it as a > 0% chance of getting a conviction, with 0% chance of negative consequences if they fail.
Said without math, it's another free punch at Trump. Why not take it, if it's free ?
Pretty sure that's not how they look at things. They look at it as a > 0% chance of getting a conviction, with 0% chance of negative consequences if they fail.
Said without math, it's another free punch at Trump. Why not take it, if it's free ?
Posted by: Perfect Hair at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (iQE+/)
492
way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw
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Trump is out there insinuating DeSantis was fucking his students and saying DeSantis wants to eliminate Medicare and Social Security.
But let's keep pretending Trump is the classy one in all this.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Trump is out there insinuating DeSantis was fucking his students and saying DeSantis wants to eliminate Medicare and Social Security.
But let's keep pretending Trump is the classy one in all this.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (cOFom)
493
>>463 Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not). **Richard Nixon has entered the chat** Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (AW0uW)
You know what? I'm gonna get a yard sign ginned up for next year. "NIXON NOW."
You know what? I'm gonna get a yard sign ginned up for next year. "NIXON NOW."
Posted by: ZOD at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (vpm59)
494
482 "Ever hear of Grover Cleveland?"
Can we draft him in time for the primary?
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (MvF+J)
call him and make the pitch
Can we draft him in time for the primary?
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (MvF+J)
call him and make the pitch
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (us2H3)
495
476 472 Andy Jackson as well.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (4vi12)
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Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War.
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Nah, I would blame John Quincey Adams. A fucking Roundhead. Man, was he pissed when Andy chased the Spanish out of Florida.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 05, 2023 01:06 PM (4vi12)
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Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War.
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Nah, I would blame John Quincey Adams. A fucking Roundhead. Man, was he pissed when Andy chased the Spanish out of Florida.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (4vi12)
496
way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
497
I wonder what this distraction is covering up.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (t0OGg)
498
Never run someone again that has already lost (stolen or not). Posted by: Brian
Interesting advice, do you have a newsletter or a website?
~Zombie Abraham Lincoln
Interesting advice, do you have a newsletter or a website?
~Zombie Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (XdIKT)
499
“Twat-waffle.” Ok, I’m convinced
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I wasnt aiming to convince because the functionally retarded cannot be convinced objectively
Instead I am stating an obvious fact
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I wasnt aiming to convince because the functionally retarded cannot be convinced objectively
Instead I am stating an obvious fact
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (VTu1l)
500
Out: Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
In: Show me the man, I'll show you the charge - no crime needed. Prosecution without legislation. It's far more efficient.
#Progress
In: Show me the man, I'll show you the charge - no crime needed. Prosecution without legislation. It's far more efficient.
#Progress
Posted by: 29Victor at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (BJKQV)
501
Yesterday's elections say that suburban voters are fine with it and want more.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (LvTSG)
It hasn't hit the suburbs yet. And the idiots in the cities are going to continue voting D, because it's made places like Milwaukee what they are today! (Yeah, I know).
So it's going to have to get a lot worse before votes start changing. My suburban relatives in a large Midwestern city won't go into the city anymore, but still insist that they don't want to vote Republican. Chamberlains, all of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:03 PM (LvTSG)
It hasn't hit the suburbs yet. And the idiots in the cities are going to continue voting D, because it's made places like Milwaukee what they are today! (Yeah, I know).
So it's going to have to get a lot worse before votes start changing. My suburban relatives in a large Midwestern city won't go into the city anymore, but still insist that they don't want to vote Republican. Chamberlains, all of them.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (FJYfm)
502
They stood for the freedom of the Western world. They stood for democracy and everything that is enshrined in the Bill of Rights: Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press.
They stood for protecting our sovereign nations, for a free market economy and individual responsibility; for traditional Christian values, for our families and our nation.
But today’s Biden administration does not stand for any of that.
The Biden administration stands for a woke, globalist ideology that has as little to do with original American values as the left-green ideology in Germany.
The United States of the Clintons and Epsteins, of Soros, Biden and Zuckerberg, is not our friend.
They stood for protecting our sovereign nations, for a free market economy and individual responsibility; for traditional Christian values, for our families and our nation.
But today’s Biden administration does not stand for any of that.
The Biden administration stands for a woke, globalist ideology that has as little to do with original American values as the left-green ideology in Germany.
The United States of the Clintons and Epsteins, of Soros, Biden and Zuckerberg, is not our friend.
Posted by: SMOD at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (RovqD)
503
496 way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
So we should regard you as DeSantis surrogates instead of people we're just trying to have a normal conversation with?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
So we should regard you as DeSantis surrogates instead of people we're just trying to have a normal conversation with?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (eYoxG)
504
yeah I know. Trump is going to have legal problems all through the election, which is why we absolutely need to make him our tainted, distracted candidate.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (iHBZj)
And DeSantis won't? The enemy won't treat Ron with kid gloves, either.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:34 PM (iHBZj)
And DeSantis won't? The enemy won't treat Ron with kid gloves, either.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (tkR6S)
505
nood
Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (MvF+J)
506
I know who my congresscritter is (Nancy Mace), but I don't think I could name more than one other (Clyburn) from SC.
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I know my rep too, he is reliably conservative but so non-controversial that I wouldnt have even known who he was until I met him
Sort of like Scott Walker, only actually conservative
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (VTu1l)
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I know my Republican Congress Critter, Tom Emmer. He was a reliable conservative Republican, who even supported term limits when he took over from Michelle Bachmann ten years ago, when she put in her promised only ten years in Congress.
Now he is Kevin McCarthy's strongest supported and Republican Whip, and he is in his 5th term. I expect him to announce soon for his 11th and 12th years in Congress.
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I know my rep too, he is reliably conservative but so non-controversial that I wouldnt have even known who he was until I met him
Sort of like Scott Walker, only actually conservative
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 12:56 PM (VTu1l)
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I know my Republican Congress Critter, Tom Emmer. He was a reliable conservative Republican, who even supported term limits when he took over from Michelle Bachmann ten years ago, when she put in her promised only ten years in Congress.
Now he is Kevin McCarthy's strongest supported and Republican Whip, and he is in his 5th term. I expect him to announce soon for his 11th and 12th years in Congress.
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (Z32m1)
507
455 DeSantis showed us who he is when he ran to suck off Roves stubby cock.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy a
This. Once you go full Rove their ain't no coming back.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy a
This. Once you go full Rove their ain't no coming back.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (DMyTF)
508
495 Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War.
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Nah, I would blame John Quincey Adams. A fucking Roundhead. Man, was he pissed when Andy chased the Spanish out of Florida.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (4vi12)
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Giving into SC and allowing renegotiation on the tariffs emboldened an entire generations of SC politicians, including John C. Calhoun, to think that they ran American politics. I think it created the Fire-eaters.
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Nah, I would blame John Quincey Adams. A fucking Roundhead. Man, was he pissed when Andy chased the Spanish out of Florida.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (4vi12)
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Giving into SC and allowing renegotiation on the tariffs emboldened an entire generations of SC politicians, including John C. Calhoun, to think that they ran American politics. I think it created the Fire-eaters.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (LvTSG)
509
I want a legitimate primary. One where Republican voters decide who the candidate is and not Democrats. That is what is going on here. This is just what the Dems want. Splitting our vote by making it Don vs Ron instead of whomever the Dems put up(and it won't be Biden).
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (Y+l9t)
510
Ok, I’m convinced
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (sItMr)
Kilmeade is trolling the AoS
Posted by: Brian at April 05, 2023 01:08 PM (sItMr)
Kilmeade is trolling the AoS
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (us2H3)
511
Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
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I think thats because Trump is attacking out in the open, whereas DeSantis is countering behind shell PAC groups while he himself remains above the fray
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I think thats because Trump is attacking out in the open, whereas DeSantis is countering behind shell PAC groups while he himself remains above the fray
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (VTu1l)
512
501 So it's going to have to get a lot worse before votes start changing. My suburban relatives in a large Midwestern city won't go into the city anymore, but still insist that they don't want to vote Republican. Chamberlains, all of them.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (FJYfm)
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So, they want more of it. Well, I hope they like what they get.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (FJYfm)
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So, they want more of it. Well, I hope they like what they get.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Hands at April 05, 2023 01:12 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Sillius Soddus at April 05, 2023 01:12 PM (XHLJ8)
515
We havent hit bottom yet I say 40% unemployment rate, -25% GDP and a nuke going off somewhere should do the trick Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - America is Dead - National Divorce NOW at April 05, 2023 01:05 PM (VTu1l)
That's my point at #427 and Thrawn brings up the Ukraine wild card at #475. Things are going to get sporty.
That's my point at #427 and Thrawn brings up the Ukraine wild card at #475. Things are going to get sporty.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 01:12 PM (7B5FA)
516
507 455 DeSantis showed us who he is when he ran to suck off Roves stubby cock.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy a
the eloquence is compelling
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy a
the eloquence is compelling
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:12 PM (us2H3)
517
Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War. - TJM
Really? He did have some harsh things to say about SC's stand during the Nullification Act crisis. Something about hanging, IIRC.
Really? He did have some harsh things to say about SC's stand during the Nullification Act crisis. Something about hanging, IIRC.
Posted by: mrp at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (rj6Yv)
518
Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
So we should regard you as DeSantis surrogates instead of people we're just trying to have a normal conversation with?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (eYoxG)
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Dude, I'm in the favor-Trump column.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
So we should regard you as DeSantis surrogates instead of people we're just trying to have a normal conversation with?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (eYoxG)
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Dude, I'm in the favor-Trump column.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (krQz2)
519
Giving into SC and allowing renegotiation on the tariffs emboldened an entire generations of SC politicians, including John C. Calhoun, to think that they ran American politics. I think it created the Fire-eaters.
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Yeah, SC is very cocky. This is why Lindsay Graham lives there.
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Yeah, SC is very cocky. This is why Lindsay Graham lives there.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (4vi12)
520
Posted by: Sloucho at April 05, 2023 01:02 PM (Dv8DR)
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Bravo, you're no Sloucho! Comment MOAR, please.
BTW, I saw America-Hating Christ-Hating Self-Serving Solipsistic Limp Dick Amoral Motherfuckers open for Hole at Burning Man in '98.
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Bravo, you're no Sloucho! Comment MOAR, please.
BTW, I saw America-Hating Christ-Hating Self-Serving Solipsistic Limp Dick Amoral Motherfuckers open for Hole at Burning Man in '98.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (yeOmr)
521
ALVIN!!!
Posted by: David Seville at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (2hlEI)
522
>>Trump is out there insinuating DeSantis was fucking his students and saying DeSantis wants to eliminate Medicare and Social Security.
In case you missed it, Ron is only governor because of Trump. Trump doesn't like disloyalty. Disloyalty to someone who got you your job isn't very classy.
I care as much about classy as I do mean tweets. In fact, I care less. I want the most vicious SOB we can find because we are fighting against a communist mob that will lie, cheat, steal and probably kill to get and keep power.
We are already losing this game because of decades of playing nice against the mob and putting up someone who makes suburban women, who don't vote for us anyway, happy. Fuck that. I'll take the one who fights even if it makes some on our side sad.
In case you missed it, Ron is only governor because of Trump. Trump doesn't like disloyalty. Disloyalty to someone who got you your job isn't very classy.
I care as much about classy as I do mean tweets. In fact, I care less. I want the most vicious SOB we can find because we are fighting against a communist mob that will lie, cheat, steal and probably kill to get and keep power.
We are already losing this game because of decades of playing nice against the mob and putting up someone who makes suburban women, who don't vote for us anyway, happy. Fuck that. I'll take the one who fights even if it makes some on our side sad.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (ZLI7S)
523
I would not shed a tear if a rabid band of dingos slowly chewed up Bragg and shit him out on the streets of San Francisco.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)
524
And let me ask you the same thing because for many of us it goes the other way, do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S
Find a post where I trashed Trump. Again, I support DeSantis because I have seen him in action as Governor. I don’t want DeSantis to run in 2024. I think this talk is being driven by GOPe who want to split the conservative/MAGA wing of the party.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S
Find a post where I trashed Trump. Again, I support DeSantis because I have seen him in action as Governor. I don’t want DeSantis to run in 2024. I think this talk is being driven by GOPe who want to split the conservative/MAGA wing of the party.
Posted by: tofer732 at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (fatpD)
525
518 Trump's team is doing far worse against DeSantis from what I've seen.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
So we should regard you as DeSantis surrogates instead of people we're just trying to have a normal conversation with?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (eYoxG)
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Dude, I'm in the favor-Trump column.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (krQz2)
Jackstraw's complaint was directed at DeSantis supporters here.
Saying political surrogates do nasty shit does nothing to excuse commenters here.
But, I was told by Trumpers that it was okay that Cruz was covered in mud because 1) they didn't like Cruz and 2) "politics ain't beanbag".
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (krQz2)
So we should regard you as DeSantis surrogates instead of people we're just trying to have a normal conversation with?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (eYoxG)
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Dude, I'm in the favor-Trump column.
Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2023 01:13 PM (krQz2)
Jackstraw's complaint was directed at DeSantis supporters here.
Saying political surrogates do nasty shit does nothing to excuse commenters here.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (eYoxG)
526
and NOOD sour LEMON
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:15 PM (ynpvh)
527
This. Once you go full Rove their ain't no coming back.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
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And yet Trump was out there endorsing all the Bush scions even after the whole family trashed him.
https://tinyurl.com/bdfcy6wx
Same with Mitt Romney, Trump endorsed him also when he ran for Utah Senate.
I can't wait for Trump supporters to start pretending Trump also fired Fauci.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
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And yet Trump was out there endorsing all the Bush scions even after the whole family trashed him.
https://tinyurl.com/bdfcy6wx
Same with Mitt Romney, Trump endorsed him also when he ran for Utah Senate.
I can't wait for Trump supporters to start pretending Trump also fired Fauci.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:15 PM (cOFom)
528
This has done nothing but solidify the vote for Trump.
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
*types*
*deletes*
yes it has solidified the vote for Trump among the 42% of the country that supports Trump. Great, we'll go to the polls with a very solid 42%.
Posted by: ace at April 05, 2023 12:29 PM (iHBZj)
*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at April 05, 2023 01:15 PM (BdMk6)
529
I wonder what this distraction is covering up.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (t0OGg)
Hey, guess what! Spike protein is an aggressive endocrine disrupter. Oh, and Social Security death data is coming out, to be matched with vaccine rates.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (t0OGg)
Hey, guess what! Spike protein is an aggressive endocrine disrupter. Oh, and Social Security death data is coming out, to be matched with vaccine rates.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 01:16 PM (xhaym)
530
Without a horrible civil war, what can be done? Are there economic ways to stave this off? Social? Cultural? We need to be looking at that because the future is becoming very, very dark.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (KSNKu)
Fundamentally, almost all civil wars (including the American Revolution) involve a disaffected elite joining a major populist movement against the entrenched system. Most of the Republican elite is indistinguishable from the Democratic elite, and they both hate their voter bases for different reasons.
But the main problem the elites have is that they have a proxy war with Russia, and are doing their best to infuriate China into opening a second front. Such a war would have been difficult to fight even for a united county with low debt. In the face of the Biden junta's excessive retardation, even economic war would be lost badly. Which means more inflation and more austerity even as weapons are shipped off to a Khazarian kleptocracy. Civil wars have been won over a lot less, which is partly why the regime is going into full voter suppression mode now.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 05, 2023 01:07 PM (KSNKu)
Fundamentally, almost all civil wars (including the American Revolution) involve a disaffected elite joining a major populist movement against the entrenched system. Most of the Republican elite is indistinguishable from the Democratic elite, and they both hate their voter bases for different reasons.
But the main problem the elites have is that they have a proxy war with Russia, and are doing their best to infuriate China into opening a second front. Such a war would have been difficult to fight even for a united county with low debt. In the face of the Biden junta's excessive retardation, even economic war would be lost badly. Which means more inflation and more austerity even as weapons are shipped off to a Khazarian kleptocracy. Civil wars have been won over a lot less, which is partly why the regime is going into full voter suppression mode now.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:16 PM (DTm0P)
531
BTW, in NC a Dem member of the General Assembly switched parties. He is now a Republican. This means the Republicans now have supermajorities in both the NC Senate AND the NC General Assembly. Veto-proof majorities means a new Voter ID law would pass whether King Cooper signs the bill or not.
Posted by: mrp
We've passed one before, and the State Supremes nullified it. I've been so checked out lately, I have no idea what the NCSC looks like right now.
Posted by: mrp
We've passed one before, and the State Supremes nullified it. I've been so checked out lately, I have no idea what the NCSC looks like right now.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 05, 2023 01:16 PM (Z6vKV)
532
{{{SMH}}}
Posted by: creeper at April 05, 2023 01:16 PM (cTCuP)
533
INVOICES - About 12 counts for receiving a bill in the mail.
That alone should put about 12 counts against Bragg for violation of civil rights under color of law. Federal offense. 120 years.
That alone should put about 12 counts against Bragg for violation of civil rights under color of law. Federal offense. 120 years.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 05, 2023 01:16 PM (AIx1e)
534
call him and make the pitch
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (us2H3)
Unfortunately, he is now a reliable dem voter
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (us2H3)
Unfortunately, he is now a reliable dem voter
Posted by: A dude in MI at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (/6GbT)
535
do DeSantis supporters, and you know you are, have to continually trash Trump and his supporters to build up DeSantis?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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This seems to be an equal opportunity game. But you can choose to ignore that if you like.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2023 12:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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This seems to be an equal opportunity game. But you can choose to ignore that if you like.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (UVyKP)
536
We are already losing this game because of decades of playing nice against the mob and putting up someone who makes suburban women, who don't vote for us anyway, happy. Fuck that. I'll take the one who fights even if it makes some on our side sad.
Posted by: JackStraw
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And yet here you are complaining about DeSantis people being too rough on Trump.
Pick a lane.
Posted by: JackStraw
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And yet here you are complaining about DeSantis people being too rough on Trump.
Pick a lane.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (cOFom)
537
Manhattan D.A. Bragg Returns 29 Antiquities to Greece
https://www.greeknewsusa.com/
manhattan-d-a-bragg-returns-
29-antiquities-to-greece/
Posted by: m at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (CQE5S)
Shouldn't he have returned them to Wakanda, from which the Greek homos stole them?
https://www.greeknewsusa.com/
manhattan-d-a-bragg-returns-
29-antiquities-to-greece/
Posted by: m at April 05, 2023 12:36 PM (CQE5S)
Shouldn't he have returned them to Wakanda, from which the Greek homos stole them?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (tkR6S)
538
24 New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
Wouldn't matter since the WIGOP is so incompetent that there's no way he'll win there.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (wmDcS)
Judge would be adjudicating a bill of atainder against Trump, given she's the type that legislates from the bench.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
Wouldn't matter since the WIGOP is so incompetent that there's no way he'll win there.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 05, 2023 12:16 PM (wmDcS)
Judge would be adjudicating a bill of atainder against Trump, given she's the type that legislates from the bench.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (ynpvh)
539
I would not shed a tear if a rabid band of dingos slowly chewed up Bragg and shit him out on the streets of San Francisco.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)
That would be a very slow digestion, or a rare concatenation of events to put a pack of dingos in SF while Bragg was visiting
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)
That would be a very slow digestion, or a rare concatenation of events to put a pack of dingos in SF while Bragg was visiting
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 01:18 PM (xhaym)
540
Ok, now that we've talked out the Trump/Heavy D thing who should Trump pick as a vice president?
Posted by: Jaimo at April 05, 2023 01:18 PM (DBrN4)
541
512 501 So it's going to have to get a lot worse before votes start changing. My suburban relatives in a large Midwestern city won't go into the city anymore, but still insist that they don't want to vote Republican. Chamberlains, all of them.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (FJYfm)
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So, they want more of it. Well, I hope they like what they get.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (LvTSG)
When a critical mass of voters wants tough law enforcement, the Democrats will become extremely tough on crime, to remain in power. Antifa and thugs will be quickly tossed into jails and prisons. The Dems will flush those tools down the drain. And tough law enforcement will be exercised against Republicans, too, not only street tugs and gangs.
Posted by: Wally at April 05, 2023 01:10 PM (FJYfm)
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So, they want more of it. Well, I hope they like what they get.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 01:11 PM (LvTSG)
When a critical mass of voters wants tough law enforcement, the Democrats will become extremely tough on crime, to remain in power. Antifa and thugs will be quickly tossed into jails and prisons. The Dems will flush those tools down the drain. And tough law enforcement will be exercised against Republicans, too, not only street tugs and gangs.
Posted by: Gref at April 05, 2023 01:19 PM (AMIL/)
542
Andrew Jackson should be blamed for the start of the Civil War.
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Nah, I would blame John Quincey Adams. A fucking Roundhead. Man, was he pissed when Andy chased the Spanish out of Florida.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (4vi12)
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I vote for Stephen A. Douglas.
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Nah, I would blame John Quincey Adams. A fucking Roundhead. Man, was he pissed when Andy chased the Spanish out of Florida.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 05, 2023 01:09 PM (4vi12)
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I vote for Stephen A. Douglas.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:19 PM (UVyKP)
543
You can ignore the mountains of evidence that the Kochs and Bushes are pumping insane resources into Ron DeSantis
Is this mountain of evidence being shepherded by Qanon?
Is Qanon in the room with us right now?
Is this mountain of evidence being shepherded by Qanon?
Is Qanon in the room with us right now?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at April 05, 2023 01:19 PM (KFhLj)
544
Giving into SC and allowing renegotiation on the tariffs emboldened an entire generations of SC politicians, including John C. Calhoun, to think that they ran American politics. I think it created the Fire-eaters. TJM
Giving in to SC? The DC response to John C. Calhoun and Co. was the Force Act. As in use of force to compel SC and others accept the new tariff system. it was Henry Clay that brokered the rift. A good Whig man doing what needed to be done.
Giving in to SC? The DC response to John C. Calhoun and Co. was the Force Act. As in use of force to compel SC and others accept the new tariff system. it was Henry Clay that brokered the rift. A good Whig man doing what needed to be done.
Posted by: mrp at April 05, 2023 01:19 PM (rj6Yv)
545
Ok, now that we've talked out the Trump/Heavy D thing who should Trump pick as a vice president?
Posted by: Jaimo
___
It will be Kari Lake.
With them both losing being their "winning" platform.
I'm sure voters will swoon.
Posted by: Jaimo
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It will be Kari Lake.
With them both losing being their "winning" platform.
I'm sure voters will swoon.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:20 PM (cOFom)
546
Again, indicting Trump is about setting up the justification for the steal. Watch the GOPe run away from Trump and proclaim they're not associated with that criminal while the DNC pumps out their "The GOP associates with criminals" propaganda.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at April 05, 2023 01:20 PM (2YtOq)
547
539 I would not shed a tear if a rabid band of dingos slowly chewed up Bragg and shit him out on the streets of San Francisco.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)
That would be a very slow digestion, or a rare concatenation of events to put a pack of dingos in SF while Bragg was visiting
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 01:18 PM (xhaym)
How about this?
"Bragg falls out of skyscraper, eaten by dogs; only his skull, palms and feet found"
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)
That would be a very slow digestion, or a rare concatenation of events to put a pack of dingos in SF while Bragg was visiting
Posted by: Kindltot at April 05, 2023 01:18 PM (xhaym)
How about this?
"Bragg falls out of skyscraper, eaten by dogs; only his skull, palms and feet found"
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 05, 2023 01:21 PM (ynpvh)
548
536 We are already losing this game because of decades of playing nice against the mob and putting up someone who makes suburban women, who don't vote for us anyway, happy. Fuck that. I'll take the one who fights even if it makes some on our side sad.
Posted by: JackStraw
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And yet here you are complaining about DeSantis people being too rough on Trump.
Pick a lane.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (cOFom)
This is an obvious example of why Blago should be treated as a political surrogate instead of someone you'd engage in normal conversation here.
If you want people to give a shit what you say, don't just be a shill.
You can support a political without blindly repeating every propagandistic attack line.
Posted by: JackStraw
___
And yet here you are complaining about DeSantis people being too rough on Trump.
Pick a lane.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:17 PM (cOFom)
This is an obvious example of why Blago should be treated as a political surrogate instead of someone you'd engage in normal conversation here.
If you want people to give a shit what you say, don't just be a shill.
You can support a political without blindly repeating every propagandistic attack line.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 05, 2023 01:21 PM (eYoxG)
549
"It's not even about cheating. The GOP isn't going to win suburban women in large numbers, no matter the candidate, and DeSantis won't pull working class voters the way Trump does, which also would hurt the GOP down-ticket."
If Trump picks this black dude as his VP he'll get the suburban white women. Just not Ye.
https://wesleyfortexas.com/wesley-and-the-family/
If Trump picks this black dude as his VP he'll get the suburban white women. Just not Ye.
https://wesleyfortexas.com/wesley-and-the-family/
Posted by: Kareem O'weat at April 05, 2023 01:21 PM (QYuAC)
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 01:22 PM (jTmQV)
551
190 Each count specifies that it's a false business record beef.
It doesn't state what's false about the business record.
AND if that's not bad enough, there's no victims. 34 counts of no victims.
Arguably, the victim is Trump himself. Stormy violated the NDA and still kept his money. At least she's now forced to pay him $500,000 in legal fees for her defamation suits.
It doesn't state what's false about the business record.
AND if that's not bad enough, there's no victims. 34 counts of no victims.
Arguably, the victim is Trump himself. Stormy violated the NDA and still kept his money. At least she's now forced to pay him $500,000 in legal fees for her defamation suits.
Posted by: Cory C at April 05, 2023 01:23 PM (l/xsD)
552
540 Ok, now that we've talked out the Trump/Heavy D thing who should Trump pick as a vice president?
Posted by: Jaimo
After yesterdays video, Kid Rock.
Posted by: Jaimo
After yesterdays video, Kid Rock.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 01:23 PM (DMyTF)
553
When a critical mass of voters wants tough law enforcement, the Democrats will become extremely tough on crime, to remain in power. Antifa and thugs will be quickly tossed into jails and prisons. The Dems will flush those tools down the drain. And tough law enforcement will be exercised against Republicans, too, not only street tugs and gangs.
Posted by: Gref at April 05, 2023 01:19 PM (AMIL/)
Even if they wanted to (they don't) the cartels and Antifa are increasingly heavily armed and urban. They have zero fear of police and popular support among the Rat NPC base. The token crackdown from the Biden regime would pale compared to the fight against "white supremacy."
Posted by: Gref at April 05, 2023 01:19 PM (AMIL/)
Even if they wanted to (they don't) the cartels and Antifa are increasingly heavily armed and urban. They have zero fear of police and popular support among the Rat NPC base. The token crackdown from the Biden regime would pale compared to the fight against "white supremacy."
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:24 PM (DTm0P)
554
This gives the RINOs something to thump their chests and act tough about so they can slither into another term before getting back to surrendering.
Posted by: K at April 05, 2023 01:24 PM (37NLk)
555
You can support a political without blindly repeating every propagandistic attack line.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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So I better start blindly supporting a losing candidate...or else what?
This is beyond stupid.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
___
So I better start blindly supporting a losing candidate...or else what?
This is beyond stupid.
Posted by: Blago at April 05, 2023 01:24 PM (cOFom)
556
After yesterdays video, Kid Rock.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 01:23 PM (DMyTF)
Smartest take I've seen in a while. He would have made a good 2020 VP too.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 05, 2023 01:23 PM (DMyTF)
Smartest take I've seen in a while. He would have made a good 2020 VP too.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:25 PM (DTm0P)
557
Even if they wanted to (they don't) the cartels and Antifa are increasingly heavily armed and urban. They have zero fear of police and popular support among the Rat NPC base. The token crackdown from the Biden regime would pale compared to the fight against "white supremacy."
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:24 PM (DTm0P)
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The issue will be that these geographies are fixed. There is no expansion room, in fact, they are shrinking in size. But they still can cheat their way to national power. These groups won't go outside of these enclaves. To do so means a very different ending.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:24 PM (DTm0P)
==
The issue will be that these geographies are fixed. There is no expansion room, in fact, they are shrinking in size. But they still can cheat their way to national power. These groups won't go outside of these enclaves. To do so means a very different ending.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:25 PM (UVyKP)
558
"Classy" is a requirement for President, now?
LOL
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 01:22 PM (jTmQV)
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Nobody told me that.
LOL
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 05, 2023 01:22 PM (jTmQV)
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Nobody told me that.
Posted by: Billy Jeff at April 05, 2023 01:26 PM (krQz2)
559
The issue will be that these geographies are fixed. There is no expansion room, in fact, they are shrinking in size. But they still can cheat their way to national power. These groups won't go outside of these enclaves. To do so means a very different ending.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:25 PM (UVyKP)
And I'd add to this, even in very blue Kenosha, they didn't fare very well.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:25 PM (UVyKP)
And I'd add to this, even in very blue Kenosha, they didn't fare very well.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:27 PM (UVyKP)
560
The issue will be that these geographies are fixed. There is no expansion room, in fact, they are shrinking in size. But they still can cheat their way to national power. These groups won't go outside of these enclaves. To do so means a very different ending.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:25 PM (UVyKP)
I agree with all of that, but their regional strength is why a full on assault against Antifa or the Homeboys would fail. By contrast, an attack on the Cartels or Triads would be outright suicidal, and yet parts of the Uniparty are seriously scheming operations against Mexico and China.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 05, 2023 01:25 PM (UVyKP)
I agree with all of that, but their regional strength is why a full on assault against Antifa or the Homeboys would fail. By contrast, an attack on the Cartels or Triads would be outright suicidal, and yet parts of the Uniparty are seriously scheming operations against Mexico and China.
Posted by: trev006 at April 05, 2023 01:29 PM (DTm0P)
561
Hurry! AMASS ALL GUNPOWDER AND AMMO AND waste it on a guy who is getting OFF on this.
Can’t shake the Trump milk trance? The. You’re gonna love the Marxist Court-Pack soufflé.
Just keep running with a “DeSantis is a Rino” narrative crafted by guy who just hired “Low Energy Jeb.”
Can’t shake the Trump milk trance? The. You’re gonna love the Marxist Court-Pack soufflé.
Just keep running with a “DeSantis is a Rino” narrative crafted by guy who just hired “Low Energy Jeb.”
Posted by: MarleysGhost at April 05, 2023 01:30 PM (6TR9S)
562
Andy McCarthy humble-bragging about the tidiness of the indictment paperwork at the Justice Department is like a whore house claiming that their kitchen gets a "A" rating from Health Department.
Posted by: Heidi Fleiss' Clean Livin' at April 05, 2023 01:31 PM (VsUo2)
563
Even if this is true, I'm happy to support a politician that CAN be pressured to support my preferred positions. Do you think freaking Mitt Romney would allow himself to be pressured to support gun rights if he saw an opportunity to curtail them?
Posted by: bonhomme at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (j2Xg6)
Such a good point that it bears repeating!
Posted by: bonhomme at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (j2Xg6)
Such a good point that it bears repeating!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2023 01:43 PM (tkR6S)
564
New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
That would easily be slapped down as SCOTUS precedent is clear on that: states can't add any requirements for candidates for federal office that aren't contained in the Constitution.
New WI Supreme Court judge will rule that Trump can't be on the ballot in the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
That would easily be slapped down as SCOTUS precedent is clear on that: states can't add any requirements for candidates for federal office that aren't contained in the Constitution.
Posted by: Liberty at April 05, 2023 01:45 PM (hb8rx)
565
427 For the gloom and despair posters: this is almost a Let It Burn message (for the AOSHQ old timers), which I am prone to dismiss, but the reality is that the coming fiscal crisis, which cannot be prevented or ignored, is going to change the game structurally. I can't tell you how, because no one could possibly know. It is truly uncharted ground and we have an drooling idiot in the White House and no one is in charge. But the paradigm within which we've been living is going to change, possibly before 2024, but certainly in the next few years.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (7B5FA)
400+ comments before someone who finally gets it. Nobody from any party being elected President is able to stop what's coming.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2023 01:01 PM (7B5FA)
400+ comments before someone who finally gets it. Nobody from any party being elected President is able to stop what's coming.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 05, 2023 01:45 PM (CQ3Qb)
566
To give you a visual representation of how few people voted, there are 1400 blocks in NYC and it's five boroughs, there are roughly 8 million people in NYC, that roughly works out to 5700 people per block, and Bragg got roughly 37 blocks worth of votes out of 1400.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
He is illegitimate as hell, but every borough in nyc has their own DA. Bragg is Manhattan only.
He's illegitimate as are most of the elected leaders in NYC.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 05, 2023 12:18 PM (XFPre)
He is illegitimate as hell, but every borough in nyc has their own DA. Bragg is Manhattan only.
Posted by: marcus gravey at April 05, 2023 01:51 PM (516e+)
567
The problem, you see, is “that Trump and his associates engaged in deception by paying New York state more in taxes than it was owed.”
Trump cheated on his taxes by paying too much in taxes?
Trump cheated on his taxes by paying too much in taxes?
Posted by: SMOD at April 05, 2023 01:56 PM (RovqD)
568
Alvin Bragg commits an even greater abuse: He has indicted a man while refusing to say, 34 times out of 34, what crime the man is being indicted for.
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heh, heh, heh...hahaha...oh, please stop...heeheehee!
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heh, heh, heh...hahaha...oh, please stop...heeheehee!
Posted by: Joe Biden, confused and demented, but happy! at April 05, 2023 02:18 PM (yU4sG)
569
Did Trump win with the suburban wine mom vote in 2016? I think the suburban wine mom vote is a canard, an excuse to hang around Trump's neck as a reason he can't win that has no real basis in fact.
These people are Democrats, and they've always been Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)
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Trump won the suburban woman vote 56/44.
The exit polling says he gained or held even in all demographics except one…
white males.
If you can believe it.
These people are Democrats, and they've always been Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at April 05, 2023 12:35 PM (LvTSG)
————
Trump won the suburban woman vote 56/44.
The exit polling says he gained or held even in all demographics except one…
white males.
If you can believe it.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 05, 2023 03:15 PM (CuXe/)
570
You know what the worst part of all of this is? McCarthy and his ilk are doing nothing to battle this behavior.
The legal profession should be raising holy hell and they aren't. McCarthy is NeverTrump and has no apparent understanding they can come for him as well. Maybe he is a coward and fears Antifa terrorists...
Further, what is the republican party doing to fight all of this? Crickets as the cuckership hates Trump too.
The legal profession should be raising holy hell and they aren't. McCarthy is NeverTrump and has no apparent understanding they can come for him as well. Maybe he is a coward and fears Antifa terrorists...
Further, what is the republican party doing to fight all of this? Crickets as the cuckership hates Trump too.
Posted by: Danimal28 at April 05, 2023 03:20 PM (klw0w)
571
NRO TYPES ARE SHOCKED, SHOCKED THAT THEIR non support of trump and the incessant attacks on his administration and self is finally resulting in the police state we all predicted while they stood by rattling their pearls at the nasty orange man who dared to be mean to his critics.. amazing. Just STFU ANDY
Posted by: EllaMentary at April 05, 2023 04:45 PM (OKu60)
572
Joe said he's doing everything he can to keep Trump out of the WH in a tone that is eerily similar to what he said about Nordstream.
This shitshow will be followed by more. The corruption which makes this possible is boundless.
This shitshow will be followed by more. The corruption which makes this possible is boundless.
Posted by: pawn at April 05, 2023 04:48 PM (wsHtO)
573
Trump divested himself of his personal business interests in his companies in January of 2017. Remember all the caterwauling from the left about him profiting from his position as President? The first check was issued in February. If Trump was no longer a party to any of these companies (or trusts), how can he be liable for anything related to the payments?
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