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Down With The Restrict Act, a Patriot Act for Americans' Speech
I watched about ten minutes of the Congressional hearings on TikTok. I was digusted. Congressmen were demanding that TikTok manipulate the algorithm to reduce "harmful" content served to minors -- which is exactly what social media companies have done for five years to shadowban, restrict, and choke out all conservative content, which they claim constitutes "harm."
And Congressmen were pushing that TikTok do more of what we've been trying to get social media companies to do less of. And when I say "Congressmen," I mean Republican Congressmen. I would not have been disgusted by Democrats pushing for this; it's all they ever push for. But Republicans? Republicans, again knowing nothing, again learning nothing, again falling for every trap the Democrats lay for them? The Democrats laid a trap to see if they could get Republicans to endorse the very methods by which Democrats and social media monopolies exclude conservatives from the public square, and Republicans walked right into it. They were angry that TikTok isn't manipulating its algorithm enough to choke down the transmission of "harmful" content. The Democrats wanted to see if Republicans would endorse and support the Democrats' predicate for unending censorship and thought-policing, and boy, did Republicans surprise them by being even more pro-censorship than the Democrats. All the Democrats had to do is introduce one of their favorite tropes -- "It's for The Children (TM)" -- and every Republican was crab-crawling over each other to endorse the social media monopolies' pretext for censoring conservatives. They weren't careful about it at all. They didn't attempt to limit the principle they were advocating for. They didn't say "this will only apply to children under age 17." No, they were, once again, just foaming at the mouth with eagerness to bless by legislation all the censorship that all of the tech monopolies have been engaged in. TikTok should be banned. Period. And children 17 or under should be banned from social media. Period. And they should have to prove that by making a micro-transaction of, say, $1 with a credit card establishing that they are of age. Instead of focusing on that, Republicans decided to argue that social media monopolies just aren't censoring enough people and manipulating the algorithms to avoid "harm." Rand Paul is blocking the Resist Act from going forward. But not on grounds that the US would be endorsing algorithmic manipulation. He's claiming that the communist Chinese Party's spy app shouldn't be banned, period, and insists it's not just because a top donor is connected to TikTok's parent corporation ByteDance.Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., has come out against a ban on TikTok, breaking from his GOP colleagues on a measure that would prohibit the use of the often-criticized social media app. Lawmakers cited national security concerns raised by TikTok, which is owned by the Chinese company ByteDance, after reports emerged that the company has gathered user data and spied on some journalists. In an opinion piece published Wednesday in the Courier Journal of Louisville, Kentucky, Paul argued that banning TikTok would mimic censorship by the Chinese government.Well, in one way, that's true: China itself refuses to allow TikTok in their own country. They have a version of TiKTok which only runs videos about science lessons and studying hacks and pro-education stuff like that. Oh, and the videos also foster respect for kids' elders. But the TikTok we see in the US? No way, that's not allowed. China's smarter than to allow its own children to be infected with this poison. This poison is for White Devils' Children only.
It's not about teenagers dancing. Has Paul missed out the part where TikTok is spreading every social contagion mental illness, from fake tics, to fake Tourettes, to fake multiple personality disorders, to fake transgenderism among children?
He cast the question of whether to ban the app as a free speech issue and said he would defend it even against members of his party. Paul has maintained that his opposition is not due to the ties of one of his top donor's to the company. "I hope saner minds will reflect on which is more dangerous: videos of teenagers dancing or the precedent of the U.S. government banning speech," Paul wrote. "For me, it's an easy answer, I will defend the Bill of Rights against all comers, even, if need be, from members of my own party."
Pretty sure the Constitution allows us to restrict what children can view. Or does he also support filling the schools with gay pornography? I'm skeptical of Paul's position. It seems to me that the US has every right to block a foreign app, controlled by a hostile power, from the US. There is a point at which "libertarians" simply become One Worlders, denying that that there is any difference between those within the country and those without it, and this is it. But the "Restrict Act" isn't just about banning TikTok -- it's about empowering the government to censor social media and punish Americans. Which is exactly the sense I got from the hearings.
He added: "If you don't like TikTok or Facebook or YouTube, don't use them. But don't think any interpretation of the Constitution gives you the right to ban them." Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., a vocal critic of TikTok, introduced legislation Wednesday to ban it in the U.S., which he tried to pass by unanimous consent. Paul objected.
I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support pic.twitter.com/zGze0NreCD
— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) March 29, 2023
Matthew Chapman
@fawfulfan This is absolutely insane. A U.S. senator should not be learning about their own co-sponsorship of a bill for the first time on Fox News. Let alone a bill that basically gives the government massive, sweeping new powers to surveil and restrict the internet.
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yeah, i have to agree with Tucker.
the fact it's bipartisan tells me it's going to screw us good and hard....
the fact it's bipartisan tells me it's going to screw us good and hard....
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:14 PM (Mkvkw)
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and i can't believe i'm agreeing with AOC...
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:14 PM (Mkvkw)
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and corgis called.
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (Mkvkw)
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I like how Jesse or whoever on Fox had to tell dipshit Graham that he cosponsored the bill. and what was in it.
Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (MLrvz)
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Man that's a lot of content!
Posted by: scottst at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (ojBxe)
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and i can't believe i'm agreeing with AOC...
Posted by: SturmToddler
It is a 'stopped digital 24hr clock' case.
Posted by: SturmToddler
It is a 'stopped digital 24hr clock' case.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (4WAN5)
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Jesse Watters
@JesseBWatters
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I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support
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You embarrassed a senator in public. I lament your future suicide.
Jesse Watters
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I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support
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You embarrassed a senator in public. I lament your future suicide.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:16 PM (LvTSG)
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So the dumb party yields to the evil party. Another day ending in Y.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 31, 2023 02:16 PM (OTXUv)
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The Democrats wanted to see if Republicans would endorse and support the Democrats' predicate for unending censorship and thought-policing, and boy, did Republicans surprise them by being even more pro-censorship than the Democrats.
Am I the only one that watched the birth of the Patriot Act ?
Am I the only one that watched the birth of the Patriot Act ?
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:16 PM (flOYI)
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I'll disagree and say i don't believe that the GOPe was "manipulated" into anything. they KNOW exactly what this means, and how they can use it to get rid of maga....
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:17 PM (Mkvkw)
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But I'd like all social media platforms to require proof of adulthood via a microtransaction. (Or parents can make the microtransaction with their credit cards, if they want to expose their children to this filth.)
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Making it through statute that individuals own their data and that 3rd parties, like social media companies, must pay the individuals for the use, sale, or analysis of that data, say, $15 per month or $30 per sale to another third party, would be something of a hamper on social media's reach.
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Making it through statute that individuals own their data and that 3rd parties, like social media companies, must pay the individuals for the use, sale, or analysis of that data, say, $15 per month or $30 per sale to another third party, would be something of a hamper on social media's reach.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:17 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 31, 2023 02:17 PM (wtvvX)
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TikTok should be banned. Period. And children 17 or under should be banned from social media. Period. And they should have to prove that by making a micro-transaction of, say, $1 with a credit card establishing that they are of age.
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I agree, and the RESTRICT act - though it hadn't happened yet - is exactly why I didn't call for it to be done when I made this the topic of a rant a little while back.
The premise is simple: Social Media is addictive and dangerous and so, like other addictive and dangerous things, it should be restricted to adults.
Sadly, the outcome of such a call is also simple: let kids stay and extend government power over speech in a great con job that will give us more of the worst and none of the useful.
So here we are. The RESTRICT act, proving the point again.
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I agree, and the RESTRICT act - though it hadn't happened yet - is exactly why I didn't call for it to be done when I made this the topic of a rant a little while back.
The premise is simple: Social Media is addictive and dangerous and so, like other addictive and dangerous things, it should be restricted to adults.
Sadly, the outcome of such a call is also simple: let kids stay and extend government power over speech in a great con job that will give us more of the worst and none of the useful.
So here we are. The RESTRICT act, proving the point again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (t0OGg)
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It's horrible so it will become law, of course.
Joe signs anything they tell him to.
Joe signs anything they tell him to.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (jTmQV)
Posted by: Linda Graham at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (us2H3)
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>>Follow
I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support
$10 says his name is still on the bill
I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support
$10 says his name is still on the bill
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (geLO8)
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Pssst. Ace, it's not a trap. They're going along with it willingly. They hate us too.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (Angsy)
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"Honey, how was work today?"
"Was awesome. Something I wrote was featured very prominently on the site!"
"Cool. Was it about a new product?"
"Product? There's no products on Ace of Spades."
"I thought you said you had a good day at work."
"Squirrel!"
"Was awesome. Something I wrote was featured very prominently on the site!"
"Cool. Was it about a new product?"
"Product? There's no products on Ace of Spades."
"I thought you said you had a good day at work."
"Squirrel!"
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (KbCG3)
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Linda Graham is just the right's version of Joe Biden
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (us2H3)
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16 >>Follow
I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support
$10 says his name is still on the bill
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (geLO
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$10 says he raised $15,000 from small dollar donors due to that appearance.
I break the news to Lindsey Graham that he co-sponsored a bill he doesn’t support
$10 says his name is still on the bill
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (geLO
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$10 says he raised $15,000 from small dollar donors due to that appearance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (LvTSG)
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Yo.
Posted by: Greyman27 at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (RKLPC)
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Insanity on every front ... and yet, they persist.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (Cus5s)
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TikTok. Some dissembly required.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 31, 2023 02:19 PM (Vwz3I)
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I hope Grahamnesty's ladybugs turn cancerous.
Posted by: McLurkerson at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (wNDOJ)
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and i can't believe i'm agreeing with AOC...
Posted by: SturmToddler
It is a 'stopped digital 24hr clock' case.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (4WAN5)
so that's the blinking light.
i wonder when she gets to actual flashing...
Posted by: SturmToddler
It is a 'stopped digital 24hr clock' case.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (4WAN5)
so that's the blinking light.
i wonder when she gets to actual flashing...
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (Mkvkw)
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Graham wasn't told that he would be put down as a cosponsor of a bill written and brought to the senate by the lobbyists who also pay him on the side. Oops.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (lTGtQ)
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Graham is an idiot.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (BRHaw)
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24 I hope Grahamnesty's ladybugs turn cancerous.
Posted by: McLurkerson at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (wNDOJ)
Before or after the balloons go up?
Posted by: McLurkerson at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (wNDOJ)
Before or after the balloons go up?
Posted by: Thrawn at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: Archer at March 31, 2023 02:20 PM (gmo/4)
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People, you should be ditching social media
commenting here is my only exposure, and I'm reasonably sure we're being monitored for wrongthink
Hi Bob@NSA
commenting here is my only exposure, and I'm reasonably sure we're being monitored for wrongthink
Hi Bob@NSA
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:21 PM (geLO8)
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$10 says his name is still on the bill
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (geLO
10 bucks his picture is on the 3 dollar bill
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (geLO
10 bucks his picture is on the 3 dollar bill
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:21 PM (us2H3)
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25 and i can't believe i'm agreeing with AOC...
Posted by: SturmToddler
It is a 'stopped digital 24hr clock' case.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (4WAN5)
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She also just voted against forbidding the Chinese Communist Party from owning farmland in America.
Posted by: SturmToddler
It is a 'stopped digital 24hr clock' case.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:15 PM (4WAN5)
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She also just voted against forbidding the Chinese Communist Party from owning farmland in America.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:21 PM (LvTSG)
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30 People, you should be ditching social media
commenting here is my only exposure, and I'm reasonably sure we're being monitored for wrongthink
Hi Bob@NSA
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Ace is a CIA plant. Just sayin.
commenting here is my only exposure, and I'm reasonably sure we're being monitored for wrongthink
Hi Bob@NSA
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Ace is a CIA plant. Just sayin.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 31, 2023 02:21 PM (OTXUv)
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never trust a man who don't eat pussy
Posted by: my Grandpa at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (us2H3)
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Friendly reminder - everyone here can ban Tik Tok in their homes. Just take the kids phones away. It doesn't take an act of Congress.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (flOYI)
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Well, in one way, that's true: China itself refuses to allow TikTok in their own country. They have a version of TiKTok which only runs videos about science lessons and studying hacks and pro-education stuff like that. Oh, and the videos also foster respect for kids' elders.
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Sort of. TikTok is Chinese. The Chinese version of TikTok - Douyin - is also owned by ByteDance and China was its first major market.
Douyin was declared to be very harmful by the CCP. In its original form, Douyin was a *lot* like the export version of TikTok. It was full of kids, a lot of sexualized "dance videos," a lot of fringe rants, a lot of venal banality, etc. It happened there first, and the CCP deemed it a serious risk to the social fabric. They compelled ByteDance to change Douyin fairly significantly - including things like enforced timeouts (you can't use it much) and loads of content restrictions and other censorship.
But only for the domestic market. No restrictions on what ByteDance was allowed to export. If anything, the CCP probably *encouraged* ByteDance to export Original Douyin as TikTok to hurt foreign societies.
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Sort of. TikTok is Chinese. The Chinese version of TikTok - Douyin - is also owned by ByteDance and China was its first major market.
Douyin was declared to be very harmful by the CCP. In its original form, Douyin was a *lot* like the export version of TikTok. It was full of kids, a lot of sexualized "dance videos," a lot of fringe rants, a lot of venal banality, etc. It happened there first, and the CCP deemed it a serious risk to the social fabric. They compelled ByteDance to change Douyin fairly significantly - including things like enforced timeouts (you can't use it much) and loads of content restrictions and other censorship.
But only for the domestic market. No restrictions on what ByteDance was allowed to export. If anything, the CCP probably *encouraged* ByteDance to export Original Douyin as TikTok to hurt foreign societies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (t0OGg)
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Spoiler: It will pass and if it ever by some miracle gets repealed it will be "regulated" back into existence by faceless unelected agencies
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (a2WYj)
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This is why I don't trust Luap Nor's son either.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (R0f8n)
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Rand Paul, from hero to fool in one hour.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (yQpMk)
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Graham introduced federal abortion restriction legislation two months before the '22 election. Blithering idiot.
Posted by: Greyman27 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (RKLPC)
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Spoiler: It will pass and if it ever by some miracle gets repealed it will be "regulated" back into existence by faceless unelected agencies
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (a2WYj)
Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop vaping.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (a2WYj)
Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop vaping.
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (nW4TA)
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how come there aint no vids of Graham chuckling it up over a tony DC dinner with Chuck and Mutt ?
cuz ya now it happens
frequently
cuz ya now it happens
frequently
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (us2H3)
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I swear some people just TRY to be annoying. At least when I'm annoying it's mostly by accident.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (a2WYj)
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34 never trust a man who don't eat pussy
Posted by: my Grandpa at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (us2H3)
Why would I want to eat kittehs? What have they ever done to me?
Posted by: my Grandpa at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (us2H3)
Why would I want to eat kittehs? What have they ever done to me?
Posted by: Thrawn at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (Rl7KJ)
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Graham is a two-faced sodomite.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 31, 2023 02:24 PM (Q65mO)
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i'd be all for banning ANY foreign app on govt devices. that's an easy one.
as for banning tiktok? i'm not sure how you restrict it that isn't going to get sidestepped. and I do have an issue codifying it via law.
as someone else said, maybe a law to specifically indicate that user data is theirs, and every transfer is a 10 dollar payment to the individual, cash only could slow it down.
but you'll end up with some kind of a "waiver" that people will sign in the terms and conditions....
as for banning tiktok? i'm not sure how you restrict it that isn't going to get sidestepped. and I do have an issue codifying it via law.
as someone else said, maybe a law to specifically indicate that user data is theirs, and every transfer is a 10 dollar payment to the individual, cash only could slow it down.
but you'll end up with some kind of a "waiver" that people will sign in the terms and conditions....
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:24 PM (Mkvkw)
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Both Pauls are of the libertarian wing of the GOP so it's totally in character for Rand--where did you think he got that name, anyway?--to object on libertarian grounds. But at least he's doing something useful about Patriot Act 2: Social Media Boogaloo, plus the actually-libertarian Paul axis is a lot closer to my interests than the money grubbing faux-libertarian neocon axis.
Posted by: CppThis at March 31, 2023 02:24 PM (PZvjL)
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It's not about teenagers dancing. Has Paul missed out the part where TikTok is spreading every social contagion mental illness, from fake tics, to fake Tourettes, to fake multiple personality disorders, to fake transgenderism among children?
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He might have, or he fears social media contagion - as in, a contagion within social media companies.
The rational and reasonable approach to the problem, in my opinion, is to forbid the use of the service by minors. And not just TikTok, but all social media. That will have serious problems and it might result in the failure of social media as a whole, because they will suddenly have to verify everyone. This isn't technically difficult, but it would destroy anonymity on the platforms and thus make them a hell of a lot less popular.
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He might have, or he fears social media contagion - as in, a contagion within social media companies.
The rational and reasonable approach to the problem, in my opinion, is to forbid the use of the service by minors. And not just TikTok, but all social media. That will have serious problems and it might result in the failure of social media as a whole, because they will suddenly have to verify everyone. This isn't technically difficult, but it would destroy anonymity on the platforms and thus make them a hell of a lot less popular.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:24 PM (t0OGg)
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37 Spoiler: It will pass and if it ever by some miracle gets repealed it will be "regulated" back into existence by faceless unelected agencies
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (a2WYj)
Ban TikTok and some other stupid app will pop up in its place. Just a few years ago everyone was doing Vines. These networks come and go.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:22 PM (a2WYj)
Ban TikTok and some other stupid app will pop up in its place. Just a few years ago everyone was doing Vines. These networks come and go.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (KbCG3)
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Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop vaping.
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)
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Good day to start injecting heroin directly into the eyeballs, though.
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (DRSnL)
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Good day to start injecting heroin directly into the eyeballs, though.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (Vp7E/)
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It seems to me that the US has every right to block a foreign app, controlled by a hostile power, from the US.
Therein lies the heart of this debate. I don't like banning any more than any other rational, freedom-loving person. This is nefarious infiltration, nothing more, nothing less.
Therein lies the heart of this debate. I don't like banning any more than any other rational, freedom-loving person. This is nefarious infiltration, nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (Xrfse)
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A U.S. senator should not be learning about their own co-sponsorship of a bill for the first time on Fox News.
We need term limits for congressional staffers and all other support personnel (and, frankly, all government employees) before we enact term limits for the figureheads that actually get elected.
We need term limits for congressional staffers and all other support personnel (and, frankly, all government employees) before we enact term limits for the figureheads that actually get elected.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (EXyHK)
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She also just voted against forbidding the Chinese Communist Party from owning farmland in America.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
She didn't understand what she was voting for, she's come undone.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
She didn't understand what she was voting for, she's come undone.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (4WAN5)
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Everyone knows that the compelled-speech "MA" rating on video games, movies and TV reduces violence.
It's science. The 3rd glass of wine at 2pm says so.
Why won't you think of the children?!
It's science. The 3rd glass of wine at 2pm says so.
Why won't you think of the children?!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (6Mlq5)
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I'm a fag ??
I did not know this
Posted by: Linda Graham at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (us2H3)
That's okay. Everyone else did.
I did not know this
Posted by: Linda Graham at March 31, 2023 02:18 PM (us2H3)
That's okay. Everyone else did.
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (DRSnL)
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But the "Restrict Act" isn't just about banning TikTok -- it's about empowering the government to censor social media and punish Americans.
Which is exactly the sense I got from the hearings.
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#meToo. Solving the legitimate problem by making social media restricted to adults would give them no authority. In fact, it would represent a net *decline* in their effective power. No government will ever do that.
Which is exactly the sense I got from the hearings.
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#meToo. Solving the legitimate problem by making social media restricted to adults would give them no authority. In fact, it would represent a net *decline* in their effective power. No government will ever do that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (t0OGg)
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Does anyone else think Miss Lindsay is drunk in that clip?
I am still dumbfounded at how amateurish and unprepared Graham was for that interview. That old slug has been in DC for how many decades now? Was he expecting a Hannity tongue bath?
I am still dumbfounded at how amateurish and unprepared Graham was for that interview. That old slug has been in DC for how many decades now? Was he expecting a Hannity tongue bath?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (j2Xg6)
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I'm not much into the federal government banning any product, as their choice in products would likely be polar opposites to my own.
I would agree to a ban on data collection via phone or computer without the consent of each user and payment.
I would agree to a ban on data collection via phone or computer without the consent of each user and payment.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yes, TT should be banned. Not so much because it's poison, but because it's Chinese spyware. They barely even hide that fact. It would be like everyone in the USA using a German spyware app called "Krautok" . . . in WW2. Insane, right?
As for TT being poison, that's not my circus and not my monkeys. This is a parental issue. If parents are dumb enough to let their tweens gorge on TT poison, then that's on them. It's not my job to police shitty parenting.
As for TT being poison, that's not my circus and not my monkeys. This is a parental issue. If parents are dumb enough to let their tweens gorge on TT poison, then that's on them. It's not my job to police shitty parenting.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (iFTx/)
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58 I am still dumbfounded at how amateurish and unprepared Graham was for that interview. That old slug has been in DC for how many decades now? Was he expecting a Hannity tongue bath?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (j2Xg6)
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"You put Hannity on 24/7, or I stop appearing on your network!"
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (j2Xg6)
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"You put Hannity on 24/7, or I stop appearing on your network!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (LvTSG)
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But I'd like all social media platforms to require proof of adulthood via a microtransaction. (Or parents can make the microtransaction with their credit cards, if they want to expose their children to this filth.)
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I'd prefer a different mechanism, but that's neither here nor there. No reasonable measure to simply keep kids off the platforms will ever be pursued. Having kids use the platforms, get hooked and then go crazy is a huge benefit to these platforms in the first place.
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I'd prefer a different mechanism, but that's neither here nor there. No reasonable measure to simply keep kids off the platforms will ever be pursued. Having kids use the platforms, get hooked and then go crazy is a huge benefit to these platforms in the first place.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (t0OGg)
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Didn't even watch the Graham video (surprise!), but in general, co-sponsorship of bills occurs in several different ways. Most bills are inconsequential no-brainers (establishing National Goat Cheese Day, or the like). Senators typically become co-sponsors when "Dear Colleague" letters circulate, and their staff gets their check-off to join in. Sometimes senators will just do this verbally, on the floor or wherever they meet.
More important bills will usually go through the Dear Colleague process, but get more systematic attention and be an actual decision following the whole internal review process, in the end.
Not knowing he was a co-sponsor of a bill is really not that big of a deal for Graham (or anybody). Graham's got much more serious pathologies when it comes to public policy, and those are a big deal.
More important bills will usually go through the Dear Colleague process, but get more systematic attention and be an actual decision following the whole internal review process, in the end.
Not knowing he was a co-sponsor of a bill is really not that big of a deal for Graham (or anybody). Graham's got much more serious pathologies when it comes to public policy, and those are a big deal.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (OTzUX)
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Without data collection 99% of all tech would go bust.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (jTmQV)
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She also just voted against forbidding the Chinese Communist Party from owning farmland in America.
A very reasonable restriction would be to prohibit any foreign national from buying ANY land here.
But what do I know. I'm a Libertarian when it comes to domestic issues - but a flat out Nationalist when it comes to global matters. America first. And I'd expect every other country to value their interests above ours as well.
A very reasonable restriction would be to prohibit any foreign national from buying ANY land here.
But what do I know. I'm a Libertarian when it comes to domestic issues - but a flat out Nationalist when it comes to global matters. America first. And I'd expect every other country to value their interests above ours as well.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (flOYI)
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Does anyone else think Miss Lindsay is drunk in that clip?
I am still dumbfounded at how amateurish and unprepared Graham was for that interview. That old slug has been in DC for how many decades now? Was he expecting a Hannity tongue bath?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (j2Xg6)
It doesn't matter. He has nothing to worry about.
I am still dumbfounded at how amateurish and unprepared Graham was for that interview. That old slug has been in DC for how many decades now? Was he expecting a Hannity tongue bath?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:26 PM (j2Xg6)
It doesn't matter. He has nothing to worry about.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (Q65mO)
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I still think children under 18 should be banned from social media. It's more dangerous than guns and alcohol.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (Mzdiz)
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why is Linda so fucking brown ??
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (us2H3)
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TikTok is spreading every social contagion mental illness, from fake tics, to fake Tourettes, to fake multiple personality disorders, to fake transgenderism among children?
I believe that these software programs are indeed using subtle tweaks to induce mental illness, much like theaters used to use subliminals to influence movie goers, and despite a law against it, I believe that is still going on as well.
I believe that these software programs are indeed using subtle tweaks to induce mental illness, much like theaters used to use subliminals to influence movie goers, and despite a law against it, I believe that is still going on as well.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (lTGtQ)
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Second look at El Salvador?
Posted by: A Tout le Monde at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (5EOzM)
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Didn't even watch the Graham video (surprise!), but in general, co-sponsorship of bills occurs in several different ways. Most bills are inconsequential no-brainers (establishing National Goat Cheese Day, or the like). Senators typically become co-sponsors when "Dear Colleague" letters circulate, and their staff gets their check-off to join in. Sometimes senators will just do this verbally, on the floor or wherever they meet.
More important bills will usually go through the Dear Colleague process, but get more systematic attention and be an actual decision following the whole internal review process, in the end.
Not knowing he was a co-sponsor of a bill is really not that big of a deal for Graham (or anybody). Graham's got much more serious pathologies when it comes to public policy, and those are a big deal.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (OTzUX)
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"Its normal for senators not to know what they co-sponsor" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the Senate.
More important bills will usually go through the Dear Colleague process, but get more systematic attention and be an actual decision following the whole internal review process, in the end.
Not knowing he was a co-sponsor of a bill is really not that big of a deal for Graham (or anybody). Graham's got much more serious pathologies when it comes to public policy, and those are a big deal.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (OTzUX)
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"Its normal for senators not to know what they co-sponsor" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the Senate.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (t0OGg)
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How did the Patriot Act not already give the gov broad sweeping surveillance powers?
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (KpYH4)
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Graham introduced federal abortion restriction legislation two months before the '22 election. Blithering idiot.
Posted by: Greyman27 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (RKLPC)
intentional. not blithering at all.
he could see the wave coming and KNEW how to steal it's energy...
Posted by: Greyman27 at March 31, 2023 02:23 PM (RKLPC)
intentional. not blithering at all.
he could see the wave coming and KNEW how to steal it's energy...
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (Mkvkw)
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2 and i can't believe i'm agreeing with AOC...
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:14 PM (Mkvkw)
If memory serves the only legislators who expressed even a little bit of concern about FedGov's insane overreaction to J6 were one or two of The Squad. Broken clocks maybe, but still...
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:14 PM (Mkvkw)
If memory serves the only legislators who expressed even a little bit of concern about FedGov's insane overreaction to J6 were one or two of The Squad. Broken clocks maybe, but still...
Posted by: CppThis at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (PZvjL)
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Watters can be annoying but making Graham look like a schmuck was a thing of beauty
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (W2hoj)
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Yeah lets give more power to the government to do stuff to us.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (iayUP)
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Without data collection 99% of all tech would go bust.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (jTmQV)
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It's the grease that makes ever high-tech wheel turn.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (jTmQV)
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It's the grease that makes ever high-tech wheel turn.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (t0OGg)
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I am okay with killing Tik Tok and banning data collection but at this point congress never releases a clean, clear bill. They never pass just a bill that does x, its always larded up not just with earmarks and graft, but crazy NWO crap to take away more freedom and control the public.
Basically congress is worthless. We cannot trust them to do anything, ever.
Basically congress is worthless. We cannot trust them to do anything, ever.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (0hOvj)
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Related info.:
Abigail Marone @abigailmarone Replying to @thevivafrei and @HawleyMO
You're confusing Senator Hawley's bill - The No TikTok on US Devices Act - with The Restrict Act. They're 2 totally different bills.
Senator Hawley's legislation is a narrow ban of the TikTok app and doesn't give the government all that new power that the Restrict Act would.
Learn more about Senator Hawley's bill here
Abigail Marone @abigailmarone · Mar 29
Senator Hawley's legislation to ban TikTok is NOT the same thing as the Restrict Act. His bill:
- Narrowly prohibits the Chinese-based TikTok app from being downloaded on U.S. devices
-Bans commercial activity with TikTok’s parent
company, ByteDance.
https://tinyurl.com/hy3nk33v
Abigail Marone @abigailmarone Replying to @thevivafrei and @HawleyMO
You're confusing Senator Hawley's bill - The No TikTok on US Devices Act - with The Restrict Act. They're 2 totally different bills.
Senator Hawley's legislation is a narrow ban of the TikTok app and doesn't give the government all that new power that the Restrict Act would.
Learn more about Senator Hawley's bill here
Abigail Marone @abigailmarone · Mar 29
Senator Hawley's legislation to ban TikTok is NOT the same thing as the Restrict Act. His bill:
- Narrowly prohibits the Chinese-based TikTok app from being downloaded on U.S. devices
-Bans commercial activity with TikTok’s parent
company, ByteDance.
https://tinyurl.com/hy3nk33v
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (us2H3)
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I still think children under 18 should be banned from social media. It's more dangerous than guns and alcohol.
You can do that, in your own home, right now. Literally right now. Without any Congressional action whatsoever.
You can do that, in your own home, right now. Literally right now. Without any Congressional action whatsoever.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (flOYI)
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Ban TikTok and some other stupid app will pop up in its place. Just a few years ago everyone was doing Vines. These networks come and go.
Yeah, I suppose that is our "reality". Probably no stopping it. Life is now digital, unless we choose not to participate. Which has become pretty much impossible in our era. Catch-22.
Yeah, I suppose that is our "reality". Probably no stopping it. Life is now digital, unless we choose not to participate. Which has become pretty much impossible in our era. Catch-22.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (Xrfse)
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Without data collection 99% of all tech would go bust.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
Another benefit.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
Another benefit.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (lTGtQ)
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62 But I'd like all social media platforms to require proof of adulthood via a microtransaction. (Or parents can make the microtransaction with their credit cards, if they want to expose their children to this filth.)
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I'd prefer a different mechanism, but that's neither here nor there. No reasonable measure to simply keep kids off the platforms will ever be pursued. Having kids use the platforms, get hooked and then go crazy is a huge benefit to these platforms in the first place.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (t0OGg)
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The entire business model is to get kids hooked early. Same with virtually every other product ever marketed. Indeed, TT blew up out of nowhere in large part BECAUSE it was seen to cater to kids and young adults. The competition -- Youtube -- was seen as more mature and adult.
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I'd prefer a different mechanism, but that's neither here nor there. No reasonable measure to simply keep kids off the platforms will ever be pursued. Having kids use the platforms, get hooked and then go crazy is a huge benefit to these platforms in the first place.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:27 PM (t0OGg)
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The entire business model is to get kids hooked early. Same with virtually every other product ever marketed. Indeed, TT blew up out of nowhere in large part BECAUSE it was seen to cater to kids and young adults. The competition -- Youtube -- was seen as more mature and adult.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 31, 2023 02:31 PM (iFTx/)
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I still think children under 18 should be banned from social media. It's more dangerous than guns and alcohol.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (Mzdiz)
I agree, that shit is terrible
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (Mzdiz)
I agree, that shit is terrible
Posted by: Hatari war whooping somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2023 02:31 PM (NtVYv)
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Restricting use by minors seems like an unworkable paper solution when applied to reality.
It's no solution either, but recognizing that families and parents are the problem - in that they no longer seem to represent any kind of bulwark against poison, or at least far too many don't - is kinda central.
Of course there are several wheels turning here. The collapse of education (in large part) is in a chicken-and-egg situation with social media and other current afflictions. In any case they have a baleful synergy and we see the results.
It's no solution either, but recognizing that families and parents are the problem - in that they no longer seem to represent any kind of bulwark against poison, or at least far too many don't - is kinda central.
Of course there are several wheels turning here. The collapse of education (in large part) is in a chicken-and-egg situation with social media and other current afflictions. In any case they have a baleful synergy and we see the results.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:31 PM (OTzUX)
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Yes, you can ban TT in your home and on your kid's devices but that isn't going to happen 90% of the time, and the other 10% will be constantly looking for ways around it.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:32 PM (iayUP)
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You can do that, in your own home, right now. Literally right now. Without any Congressional action whatsoever.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (flOYI)
Also true
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (flOYI)
Also true
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2023 02:32 PM (NtVYv)
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Senator Hawley's legislation is a narrow ban of the TikTok app and doesn't give the government all that new power that the Restrict Act would.
Can we ask the other Republicans in the Senate to just give all their time to Hawley? Not only is he about the best Senator this century but he's one of the few NOT looking like an idiot right now.
Can we ask the other Republicans in the Senate to just give all their time to Hawley? Not only is he about the best Senator this century but he's one of the few NOT looking like an idiot right now.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2023 02:32 PM (lc5cP)
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And yes, Graham is a pathetic joke whose constituents keep voting him back into office no matter how godawful he is.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:32 PM (0hOvj)
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Republicans didn't fall for the trap. They ARE the trap.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:32 PM (S3vYy)
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Hawley/Buck's bill is the No TikTok on United States Devices Act, is S. 85, still in progress:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/
118th-congress/senate-bill/85
The many-senatorial co-sponsors' (Warner etc.) RESTRICT Act is S. 686:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/
118th-congress/senate-bill/686
https://www.congress.gov/bill/
118th-congress/senate-bill/85
The many-senatorial co-sponsors' (Warner etc.) RESTRICT Act is S. 686:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/
118th-congress/senate-bill/686
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:33 PM (v0TzN)
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Rand Paul is blocking the Resist Act from going forward.
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Resist we much!
[RESTRICT ACT?]
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Resist we much!
[RESTRICT ACT?]
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 31, 2023 02:33 PM (dwBLr)
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Without data collection 99% of all tech would go bust.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (jTmQV)
what's the downside?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:28 PM (jTmQV)
what's the downside?
Posted by: SturmToddler at March 31, 2023 02:33 PM (Mkvkw)
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There might even be more.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (v0TzN)
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Yes, you can ban TT in your home and on your kid's devices but that isn't going to happen 90% of the time, and the other 10% will be constantly looking for ways around it.
And you know what. If you ban it in your home, but your joint is still jimmied because your neighbor didn't ban it in his ?
That's not his problem. It's his choice. So if we're talking about Congress doing something because 90% of homes won't do it on their own ? That's bullshit. That's tyranny.
And you know what. If you ban it in your home, but your joint is still jimmied because your neighbor didn't ban it in his ?
That's not his problem. It's his choice. So if we're talking about Congress doing something because 90% of homes won't do it on their own ? That's bullshit. That's tyranny.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (flOYI)
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He added: "If you don't like TikTok or Facebook or YouTube, don't use them. But don't think any interpretation of the Constitution gives you the right to ban them."
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Oh, really? What about every other fucking banned thing?
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Oh, really? What about every other fucking banned thing?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (IytoW)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (WmGrA)
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I was thinking about a month's vacay in Mar del Plata
so looked at vids
Kids there are just as fucked up, if not more
so looked at vids
Kids there are just as fucked up, if not more
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (us2H3)
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I'm with Rand. No prohibiting anything for the American people when it comes to the internet. It may be that conservative thought eventually NEEDS to be hosted on foreign servers. NO WAY am I setting the precedent that the government can stop websites that originate out of the US. Let folks block the websites themselves (we have so many ways to personally block things, what's one more - commerce will also provide the solution)...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (exHjb)
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You can do that, in your own home, right now. Literally right now. Without any Congressional action whatsoever.
Sure, and when the kid from three streets over goes to the school and kills your kid, you can say that YOUR kid wasn't exposed to this programming. Yay.
What is being done is 4th generation warfare against civilians.
Sure, and when the kid from three streets over goes to the school and kills your kid, you can say that YOUR kid wasn't exposed to this programming. Yay.
What is being done is 4th generation warfare against civilians.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (lTGtQ)
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I'm fine with banning TT in the US. How about we ban all the software that is spying on us?
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (iayUP)
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118th-congress/senate-bill/686
Posted by: m
They added 20 to the actual bill number for obvious reasons.
Posted by: m
They added 20 to the actual bill number for obvious reasons.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (4WAN5)
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Republicans didn't fall for the trap. They ARE the trap.
Posted by: BurtTC at
Aren't traps ghey?
Posted by: BurtTC at
Aren't traps ghey?
Posted by: Tee hee! at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (5EOzM)
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>>He added: "If you don't like TikTok or Facebook or YouTube, don't use them. But don't think any interpretation of the Constitution gives you the right to ban them."
Commerce Clause for the win!
Commerce Clause for the win!
Posted by: DB - stealing the handle at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (geLO8)
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"Its normal for senators not to know what they co-sponsor" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the Senate.
Obligatory reminder that "senate" and "senator" have the same (Latin) root (senex, "old man") as "senile."
(The Roman Senate was originally basically a council of [theoretically wise] old men, which is fine for a Bronze age village or city. Once you get a metaphorical [and later, actual] empire to administer, things get dicy.)
Obligatory reminder that "senate" and "senator" have the same (Latin) root (senex, "old man") as "senile."
(The Roman Senate was originally basically a council of [theoretically wise] old men, which is fine for a Bronze age village or city. Once you get a metaphorical [and later, actual] empire to administer, things get dicy.)
Posted by: Lancius McCormickicus at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (l8gTz)
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Linda Graham would bring a mirror to a gloryhole
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (us2H3)
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103 118th-congress/senate-bill/686
Posted by: m
They added 20 to the actual bill number for obvious reasons.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (4WAN5)
LOL
Posted by: m
They added 20 to the actual bill number for obvious reasons.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (4WAN5)
LOL
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (v0TzN)
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They're called "Marlboros.". And your first carton is free!
Posted by: RJ Reynolds at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (DhOHl)
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Basically congress is worthless. We cannot trust them to do anything, ever.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (0hOvj)
The ending the Covid emergency bill they passed that Joe is finally gonna sign soon was one line. Best bill of the year.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:29 PM (0hOvj)
The ending the Covid emergency bill they passed that Joe is finally gonna sign soon was one line. Best bill of the year.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:35 PM (exHjb)
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The only difference between Swallowell and most Republicans is they still have their Chinese honeypot side piece.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (6Mlq5)
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He added: "If you don't like TikTok or Facebook or YouTube, don't use them. But don't think any interpretation of the Constitution gives you the right to ban them."
Did the colonial congress ban the importation of "British propaganda" during the Revolutionary War?
I honestly don't know and I'd be interested to see what the people of the time did...
Did the colonial congress ban the importation of "British propaganda" during the Revolutionary War?
I honestly don't know and I'd be interested to see what the people of the time did...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (lc5cP)
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"How did the Patriot Act not already give the gov broad sweeping surveillance powers?"
I know it's getting into religious territory here but how did the stupidly named Patriot Act actually expand guvamint power? Mostly an expansion of RICO, was my impression.
As always I am ready to be edumucated and informed, because I haven't followed this closely for a long time, but what are some specific areas, and cases, of that stupidly named law being used to restrict freedom or expand surveillance? Specific being the key word here.
I know it's getting into religious territory here but how did the stupidly named Patriot Act actually expand guvamint power? Mostly an expansion of RICO, was my impression.
As always I am ready to be edumucated and informed, because I haven't followed this closely for a long time, but what are some specific areas, and cases, of that stupidly named law being used to restrict freedom or expand surveillance? Specific being the key word here.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (OTzUX)
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I wonder if Graham will now boycott Jesse as he does Tucker ?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (63Dwl)
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They added 20 to the actual bill number for obvious reasons.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (4WAN5)
Same as in town?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (4WAN5)
Same as in town?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (yQpMk)
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Ban TikTok and some other stupid app will pop up in its place. Just a few years ago everyone was doing Vines. These networks come and go.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM
I actually wonder about that. Vine was hugely popular and Twitter seemingly just killed it off for no good reason. . .and then TikTok, providing essentially the same service (on its publicly-facing side, at least). Maybe Taibbi and rest of the Twitter Files bunch should see if there's any connection there. Did the CCP pay off Twitter/Jack Dorsey so they could emplace their spy network app?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM
I actually wonder about that. Vine was hugely popular and Twitter seemingly just killed it off for no good reason. . .and then TikTok, providing essentially the same service (on its publicly-facing side, at least). Maybe Taibbi and rest of the Twitter Files bunch should see if there's any connection there. Did the CCP pay off Twitter/Jack Dorsey so they could emplace their spy network app?
Posted by: Bert G at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (fF0pk)
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Pretty simple... Write a bill that says only Tick Tok is forbidden in the US.. Period... On another note I see Trump has gotten the same Judge that railroaded one of his executives to plead guilty to getting illegal perks and not declaring them. He is a nasty Trump hating Judge...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg trying to get lil Jonah out of a mousetrap at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (lc5cP)
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I think the simple, legal solution is that all software that can collect data has to get individual permission, and pay for each individual data hack.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (lTGtQ)
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They added 20 to the actual bill number for obvious reasons.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
Same as in town?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
It is DC right?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
Same as in town?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
It is DC right?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (4WAN5)
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Newsflash: Republicans are quite fine with totalitarianism. They are not being misled at all.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (KSNKu)
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Restricting use by minors seems like an unworkable paper solution when applied to reality.
It's no solution either, but recognizing that families and parents are the problem - in that they no longer seem to represent any kind of bulwark against poison, or at least far too many don't - is kinda central. ...
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:31 PM (OTzUX)
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Mechanically/technically, it isn't that hard to do.
But yeah, the restrictions need to be in the home because the government cannot be trusted to anything right, or even non-evil.
It's no solution either, but recognizing that families and parents are the problem - in that they no longer seem to represent any kind of bulwark against poison, or at least far too many don't - is kinda central. ...
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:31 PM (OTzUX)
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Mechanically/technically, it isn't that hard to do.
But yeah, the restrictions need to be in the home because the government cannot be trusted to anything right, or even non-evil.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (t0OGg)
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A U.S. senator should not be learning about their own co-sponsorship of a bill for the first time on Fox News.
What about on a hospital bed?
What about on a hospital bed?
Posted by: "Senator" John Fetterman, D(ebrained) at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (h5TKJ)
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They DO have an S.666:
S.666 — 118th Congress (2023-2024)
Identifying and Eliminating Wasteful Programs Act
S.666 — 118th Congress (2023-2024)
Identifying and Eliminating Wasteful Programs Act
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (v0TzN)
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Sure, and when the kid from three streets over goes to the school and kills your kid, you can say that YOUR kid wasn't exposed to this programming. Yay. What is being done is 4th generation warfare against civilians.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (lTGtQ)
Congrats !!! You just made the same argument today's Communists who call themselves Democrats or Progressives make for - quite literally - everything.
We're all connected, so my bad decisions can hurt you - ergo, you are justified in making my decisions for me. Outstanding !!!
Everyone here is all for small government - until it's something you care about. Then the Inner Fascist always comes out. Never fails.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:34 PM (lTGtQ)
Congrats !!! You just made the same argument today's Communists who call themselves Democrats or Progressives make for - quite literally - everything.
We're all connected, so my bad decisions can hurt you - ergo, you are justified in making my decisions for me. Outstanding !!!
Everyone here is all for small government - until it's something you care about. Then the Inner Fascist always comes out. Never fails.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:37 PM (flOYI)
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I have no idea why any Republican would want to be associated with Graham. The guy is creepy and more often than not, completely useless.
During Trump's problems with Mueller/FBI Graham was there to give encouragement but he never did shit on the Judiciary Committee to fix a God-damn thing.
During Trump's problems with Mueller/FBI Graham was there to give encouragement but he never did shit on the Judiciary Committee to fix a God-damn thing.
Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2023 02:38 PM (RHGPo)
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You can do that, in your own home, right now. Literally right now. Without any Congressional action whatsoever.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (flOYI)
It's a libertarian principle that people have the right to make stupid choices, and they do. All the time. Government should not be in the business of stopping people from doing so.
But when a foreign power is spying through an appz and targeting children to do so, it absolutely IS the government's role to step in. One could argue that is the government's ONLY legit role.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:30 PM (flOYI)
It's a libertarian principle that people have the right to make stupid choices, and they do. All the time. Government should not be in the business of stopping people from doing so.
But when a foreign power is spying through an appz and targeting children to do so, it absolutely IS the government's role to step in. One could argue that is the government's ONLY legit role.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:38 PM (S3vYy)
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You are not going to prevent your kids from some type of access to this garbage. It's just not going to happen. I was a teenager once during the Pleistocene Epoch and my motto always was "where there's a will, there's a way".
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:38 PM (Xrfse)
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Republicans voters should get a general. Just in case.
That has passed. Where are the fighters.
That has passed. Where are the fighters.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 31, 2023 02:38 PM (MqEmj)
130
They DO have an S.666:
S.666 — 118th Congress (2023-2024)
Identifying and Eliminating Wasteful Programs Act
Posted by: m
It'll never pass or work.
S.666 — 118th Congress (2023-2024)
Identifying and Eliminating Wasteful Programs Act
Posted by: m
It'll never pass or work.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:38 PM (4WAN5)
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:38 PM (j2Xg6)
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I wonder if Graham will now boycott Jesse as he does Tucker ?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
He and that other Great American, Neutered Gingrich, are welcome anytime!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
He and that other Great American, Neutered Gingrich, are welcome anytime!
Posted by: Sean the Interrupter at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (WmGrA)
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Soooo Missy Lindsey... China is attacking us, which is why we are sending all our ammunition and money to fight Russia?
/looks confused.
/looks confused.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (oHd/0)
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"Everyone here is all for small government - until it's something you care about. Then the Inner Fascist always comes out. Never fails.
Posted by: Get a Job"
What do you care about TT? It a data collection program for our enemy. Should it be allowed to continue?
Posted by: Get a Job"
What do you care about TT? It a data collection program for our enemy. Should it be allowed to continue?
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (iayUP)
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (v0TzN)
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OT: My mother has learned how to work the teevee in her room. She has found the news channels.
On the plus side, she won't remember anything five minutes later, so maybe we won't have to talk about it.
On the plus side, she won't remember anything five minutes later, so maybe we won't have to talk about it.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (aBJcM)
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Ron has got an upcoming problem
it wont be long before his "backers" start to say Trump is now disqualified
he'll have to have the right answer
I hope he does but I'm doubtful
it wont be long before his "backers" start to say Trump is now disqualified
he'll have to have the right answer
I hope he does but I'm doubtful
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (us2H3)
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Ace, Normies are full-throatedly pushing to ban or control TikTok, because the government told the Legacy Media to tell the #conservatives to think that. And they dutifully think it.
I don't understand how so many adult humans can claim not to trust government or media, and those exact same people will breathlessly repeat what they were told to think 15 minutes later.
I frequntly worry that most people really do deserve tyranny and slavery. Then it occurs that in order for them to get what they deserve, I must also suffer. That's when I figure I've just got nothing left to lose.
I don't understand how so many adult humans can claim not to trust government or media, and those exact same people will breathlessly repeat what they were told to think 15 minutes later.
I frequntly worry that most people really do deserve tyranny and slavery. Then it occurs that in order for them to get what they deserve, I must also suffer. That's when I figure I've just got nothing left to lose.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (b306O)
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I actually wonder about that. Vine was hugely popular and Twitter seemingly just killed it off for no good reason. . .and then TikTok, providing essentially the same service (on its publicly-facing side, at least). Maybe Taibbi and rest of the Twitter Files bunch should see if there's any connection there. Did the CCP pay off Twitter/Jack Dorsey so they could emplace their spy network app?
Posted by: Bert G at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (fF0pk)
Wasn't it killed because they wanted to do Instagram videos? SnapChat seemingly came out of nowhere.
At this point, it's wise to just assume that the fair market has no say in which of these apps fail or succeed. I just know that we're in no short supply of them and they're all a scourge.
Posted by: Bert G at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (fF0pk)
Wasn't it killed because they wanted to do Instagram videos? SnapChat seemingly came out of nowhere.
At this point, it's wise to just assume that the fair market has no say in which of these apps fail or succeed. I just know that we're in no short supply of them and they're all a scourge.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (KbCG3)
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" "Everyone here is all for small government - until it's something you care about. Then the Inner Fascist always comes out. Never fails.
Posted by: Get a Job"
What do you care about TT? It a data collection program for our enemy. Should it be allowed to continue?
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM"
Of course, I might say the same thing about Windows.
Posted by: Get a Job"
What do you care about TT? It a data collection program for our enemy. Should it be allowed to continue?
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM"
Of course, I might say the same thing about Windows.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (iayUP)
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Everyone here is all for small government - until it's something you care about. Then the Inner Fascist always comes out. Never fails.
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I'm the fascist for trying to restrict chinese military technology from being used on Americans.
great argument.
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I'm the fascist for trying to restrict chinese military technology from being used on Americans.
great argument.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (lTGtQ)
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You really don't expect lawmakers to actually READ and UNDERSTAND the papers put in front of them. They just sign away and go fapping to the camera to tout the size of their ducks.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (Ab1+v)
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Did the colonial congress ban the importation of "British propaganda" during the Revolutionary War? I honestly don't know and I'd be interested to see what the people of the time did...
No, quite the opposite.
"Freedom of the Press" was thought up, in no small measure, because of the British tactic of seizing the press shops of the age - who would make money by printing whatever you wanted to distribute, for a price. Nobody stopped anyone from printing pro-Crown advertisements and posting them. Because it was your money that bought the ink and paper - and your time spent posting it in the town square.
No, quite the opposite.
"Freedom of the Press" was thought up, in no small measure, because of the British tactic of seizing the press shops of the age - who would make money by printing whatever you wanted to distribute, for a price. Nobody stopped anyone from printing pro-Crown advertisements and posting them. Because it was your money that bought the ink and paper - and your time spent posting it in the town square.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (flOYI)
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Obligatory reminder that "senate" and "senator" have the same (Latin) root (senex, "old man") as "senile."
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Neigh! Neigh!
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Neigh! Neigh!
Posted by: senator incitatus at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (Vwz3I)
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On the plus side, she won't remember anything five minutes later, so maybe we won't have to talk about it.
Posted by: screaming in digital
That's funny and I'm sorry to hear it a the same time.
Posted by: screaming in digital
That's funny and I'm sorry to hear it a the same time.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (4WAN5)
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Hard to keep track of all these bills when there are so many d*cks to suck. They won't suck themselves after all, just ask Kamala.
Posted by: Kitchener Lesley at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (CgQvH)
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Donald Trump has a blind spot when it comes to some people to try to appear to be his friends.
Graham keeps reappearing in Trump's life around all the crap that got Trump in trouble. I would have thought by now that Trump would have flushed Graham down the toilet.
Graham keeps reappearing in Trump's life around all the crap that got Trump in trouble. I would have thought by now that Trump would have flushed Graham down the toilet.
Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (RHGPo)
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I got to vote for the bill to find out what's in it.
Posted by: Senator Miss Lindsey at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (EQpMN)
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141 I'm the fascist for trying to restrict chinese military technology from being used on Americans.
great argument.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (lTGtQ)
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Being small government means having no borders of any kind. The Koch Brothers told me that.
great argument.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:40 PM (lTGtQ)
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Being small government means having no borders of any kind. The Koch Brothers told me that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (LvTSG)
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>>He added: "If you don't like TikTok or Facebook or YouTube, don't use them. But don't think any interpretation of the Constitution gives you the right to ban them."
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I don't think he's read the New Constitution.
Says right there in the "Emergency Declaration for the Health and Safety to Stop Pandemics or Whatever" clause that government can do what it fucking wants, the rest of the Bill of Rights mean jackshit.
Or did you miss the Supreme Court refusing to stop a single pandemic order until it was "too late?"
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I don't think he's read the New Constitution.
Says right there in the "Emergency Declaration for the Health and Safety to Stop Pandemics or Whatever" clause that government can do what it fucking wants, the rest of the Bill of Rights mean jackshit.
Or did you miss the Supreme Court refusing to stop a single pandemic order until it was "too late?"
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (6Mlq5)
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What comes after Banana Republic? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (lc5cP)
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Seriously, if AOC is for it, and Rand Paul is against it, easy call.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (v0TzN)
154
Ban TikTok is one step from "ban Ace" and "ban LibsofTikTok" and ban all other "possibly foreign" and "out of step with American values" websites. Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act slippery slope? Give an inch, give up 20 million miles. Do NOT set the precedent of banning "seemingly innocuous to normal Americans" Internet.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
155
any politician that advocates for war should be duct taped to the next bomb going out
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (us2H3)
156
What is the origin of Graham cracker ?
Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (RHGPo)
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OK, so how does Tik Tok make money in the US?
How about we take away their business license? With no funding, ap would die.
How about we take away their business license? With no funding, ap would die.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (oHd/0)
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Maybe Republicans and Democrats should criminalize politicians investing in any Chinese corporation or business concern or receiving money from the PRC in any shape, fashion, or form. I'm sure they would line up around the block to co-sponsor the legislation.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (KSNKu)
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What do you care about TT? It a data collection program for our enemy. Should it be allowed to continue?
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (iayUP)
Then ban it, in your home, today. It's been banned in mine from the first time I saw it - one of the brain dead crew guys I work with loves it.
I forbade it because its a non-stop loop of fifteen second long stupid clips. I also banned MTV went it went to rap. Do the same.
I don't care if my neighbor watches Tik Tok while MTV plays in the background. I also don't care if he dies tonight while diving in a swimming pool of coke.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (iayUP)
Then ban it, in your home, today. It's been banned in mine from the first time I saw it - one of the brain dead crew guys I work with loves it.
I forbade it because its a non-stop loop of fifteen second long stupid clips. I also banned MTV went it went to rap. Do the same.
I don't care if my neighbor watches Tik Tok while MTV plays in the background. I also don't care if he dies tonight while diving in a swimming pool of coke.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (flOYI)
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How about Tranny Gladiatorial munus? That would be entertaining and hygienic. Just tell the Trannies they will become stars!
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (OTXUv)
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151 What comes after Banana Republic? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
the Gap
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
the Gap
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (us2H3)
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143 No, quite the opposite.
"Freedom of the Press" was thought up, in no small measure, because of the British tactic of seizing the press shops of the age - who would make money by printing whatever you wanted to distribute, for a price. Nobody stopped anyone from printing pro-Crown advertisements and posting them. Because it was your money that bought the ink and paper - and your time spent posting it in the town square.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (flOYI)
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You're funny.
"The Revolutionary War era featured numerous restrictions on free speech and free press. Those who were considered loyal to the King of England – loyalists – were subject to a host of onerous restrictions by colonial leaders. Some colonies passed laws declaring it treasonous to support the British King. "
The Sedition Act didn't come out of nowhere after teh Revolution.
"Freedom of the Press" was thought up, in no small measure, because of the British tactic of seizing the press shops of the age - who would make money by printing whatever you wanted to distribute, for a price. Nobody stopped anyone from printing pro-Crown advertisements and posting them. Because it was your money that bought the ink and paper - and your time spent posting it in the town square.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:41 PM (flOYI)
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You're funny.
"The Revolutionary War era featured numerous restrictions on free speech and free press. Those who were considered loyal to the King of England – loyalists – were subject to a host of onerous restrictions by colonial leaders. Some colonies passed laws declaring it treasonous to support the British King. "
The Sedition Act didn't come out of nowhere after teh Revolution.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (LvTSG)
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The US Congress is the enemy of freedom loving folks everywhere.
Abolish the US Congress.
For The Chirruns.
Abolish the US Congress.
For The Chirruns.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (R/m4+)
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153 Seriously, if AOC is for it, and Rand Paul is against it, easy call.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (v0TzN)
My bad.
AOC and Rand Paul are against legislation banning TikTok.
Well, sort of.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (v0TzN)
My bad.
AOC and Rand Paul are against legislation banning TikTok.
Well, sort of.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (v0TzN)
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154 Ban TikTok is one step from "ban Ace" and "ban LibsofTikTok" and ban all other "possibly foreign" and "out of step with American values" websites. Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act slippery slope? Give an inch, give up 20 million miles. Do NOT set the precedent of banning "seemingly innocuous to normal Americans" Internet.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
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Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:36 PM (OTzUX) if t
If this list is to be believed (and I can't endorse, its just what I found)
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The Patriot Act expanded surveillance for law enforcement by:
Expanding domestic and international wiretapping and pen register monitoring;
Expanding authority to access electronic communications;
Allowing secret “sneak and peak” searches;
Removing privacy protections to allow federal agencies to share more information; and
Expanding funding to federal law enforcement agencies.
If this list is to be believed (and I can't endorse, its just what I found)
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The Patriot Act expanded surveillance for law enforcement by:
Expanding domestic and international wiretapping and pen register monitoring;
Expanding authority to access electronic communications;
Allowing secret “sneak and peak” searches;
Removing privacy protections to allow federal agencies to share more information; and
Expanding funding to federal law enforcement agencies.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (KpYH4)
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159 What do you care about TT? It a data collection program for our enemy. Should it be allowed to continue?
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (iayUP)
Then ban it, in your home, today. It's been banned in mine from the first time I saw it - one of the brain dead crew guys I work with loves it.
I forbade it because its a non-stop loop of fifteen second long stupid clips. I also banned MTV went it went to rap. Do the same.
I don't care if my neighbor watches Tik Tok while MTV plays in the background. I also don't care if he dies tonight while diving in a swimming pool of coke.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (flOYI)
Tiktok is banned in my home, too...
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:39 PM (iayUP)
Then ban it, in your home, today. It's been banned in mine from the first time I saw it - one of the brain dead crew guys I work with loves it.
I forbade it because its a non-stop loop of fifteen second long stupid clips. I also banned MTV went it went to rap. Do the same.
I don't care if my neighbor watches Tik Tok while MTV plays in the background. I also don't care if he dies tonight while diving in a swimming pool of coke.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:43 PM (flOYI)
Tiktok is banned in my home, too...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (exHjb)
168
Yay, tornado watch...and it's getting dark.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (EMO0a)
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The best part of the RESTRICT Act is that it moves the censoring apparatus to the Department of Commence.
Golly gee .. we really needed yet another (lack of) intelligence agency.
Only somebody as devious as Ron Brown would have thought this up.
Golly gee .. we really needed yet another (lack of) intelligence agency.
Only somebody as devious as Ron Brown would have thought this up.
Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (WmGrA)
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" Ban TikTok is one step from "ban Ace" and "ban LibsofTikTok" and ban all other "possibly foreign" and "out of step with American values" websites. Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act slippery slope? Give an inch, give up 20 million miles. Do NOT set the precedent of banning "seemingly innocuous to normal Americans" Internet.
Posted by: Nova Local "
I don't think ace is collecting data for the Chinese. I do see your point though, I could swing to no censorship at all with not a lot of persuasion.
Posted by: Nova Local "
I don't think ace is collecting data for the Chinese. I do see your point though, I could swing to no censorship at all with not a lot of persuasion.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (iayUP)
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156 What is the origin of Graham cracker ?
Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (RHGPo)
Bell was working so feverishously on the I Phone that he did not have time to eat
so Mrs Bell ...
Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (RHGPo)
Bell was working so feverishously on the I Phone that he did not have time to eat
so Mrs Bell ...
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (us2H3)
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151 What comes after Banana Republic? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Showers without water. It's always the penultimate step to heaven on earth. They will be here soon.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Showers without water. It's always the penultimate step to heaven on earth. They will be here soon.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (KSNKu)
174
Graham helped tilt the election to Biden.
Remember his abortion bill?
Remember his abortion bill?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (jTmQV)
175
Make a law allowing social media companies to be sued for data misuse (may require a digital bill of rights or some such). Set the plaintiff's bar loose on them. Problem solved.
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (5C4od)
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165 154 Ban TikTok is one step from "ban Ace" and "ban LibsofTikTok" and ban all other "possibly foreign" and "out of step with American values" websites. Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act slippery slope? Give an inch, give up 20 million miles. Do NOT set the precedent of banning "seemingly innocuous to normal Americans" Internet.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
Critical point.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
Critical point.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (v0TzN)
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This isn't about free speech, at least not directly. This is a chinese military psychological weapons project.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (up/3i)
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165 154 Ban TikTok is one step from "ban Ace" and "ban LibsofTikTok" and ban all other "possibly foreign" and "out of step with American values" websites. Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act slippery slope? Give an inch, give up 20 million miles. Do NOT set the precedent of banning "seemingly innocuous to normal Americans" Internet.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
And as I mentioned before, conservative thought may end up on foreign servers and thus owned there. Who knows who will be willing to host it.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (exHjb)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
And as I mentioned before, conservative thought may end up on foreign servers and thus owned there. Who knows who will be willing to host it.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (exHjb)
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168 Yay, tornado watch...and it's getting dark.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (EMO0a)
Maybe locusts?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (EMO0a)
Maybe locusts?
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (v0TzN)
181
Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
That's true. The Left considers us a much bigger threat than foreign governments.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
That's true. The Left considers us a much bigger threat than foreign governments.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (KpYH4)
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177 This isn't about free speech, at least not directly. This is a chinese military psychological weapons project.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (lTGtQ)
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"It should be illegal for colleges to shut down Confucius Institutes as well. It's just speech."
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (lTGtQ)
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"It should be illegal for colleges to shut down Confucius Institutes as well. It's just speech."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (LvTSG)
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What comes after Banana Republic? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Narco State.
Like you see overseas in places Mexico and Detroit.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Narco State.
Like you see overseas in places Mexico and Detroit.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 31, 2023 02:47 PM (R/m4+)
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178 F**KED STATAUS
[*] F**KED
[ ] NOT F**KED
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (up/3i)
I have no idea what this means
[*] F**KED
[ ] NOT F**KED
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (up/3i)
I have no idea what this means
Posted by: Linda Graham at March 31, 2023 02:47 PM (us2H3)
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177 This isn't about free speech, at least not directly. This is a chinese military psychological weapons project.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (lTGtQ)
Maybe this is the distinction Rand Paul is trying to prompt.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:45 PM (lTGtQ)
Maybe this is the distinction Rand Paul is trying to prompt.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:47 PM (v0TzN)
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Never sent to Mar del Plata, or Punta del Este, but the latter must have been nice, judging by the area around Montevideo. Was summer. Long long ago. Of course the beaches and water far north in Brazil were a very different story, so can't compare (sub-tropical and tropical).
It's fall now, might be very nice, but a fall, not summer experience.
It's fall now, might be very nice, but a fall, not summer experience.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:47 PM (OTzUX)
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Maybe locusts?
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (v0TzN)
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Ummm...no.
It's spring in the Midwest.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (v0TzN)
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Ummm...no.
It's spring in the Midwest.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:47 PM (EMO0a)
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F**KED STATAUS
[*] F**KED
Is there a half status or something for this? I mean I've gone through two troop transports but I still have the other two to finish as well.
[*] F**KED
Is there a half status or something for this? I mean I've gone through two troop transports but I still have the other two to finish as well.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (lc5cP)
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I think the root problem is not Tik Tok itself... but that it is Chinese owned, and controlled.
I personally don't like foreign ownership of American assets or companies... or LAND.... America by and for Americans.
I personally don't like foreign ownership of American assets or companies... or LAND.... America by and for Americans.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (oHd/0)
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180 168 Yay, tornado watch...and it's getting dark.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (EMO0a)
Maybe locusts?
Posted by: m
Frogs.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (EMO0a)
Maybe locusts?
Posted by: m
Frogs.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (cKEzo)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (Vwz3I)
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On the plus side, she won't remember anything five minutes later, so maybe we won't have to talk about it.
Oh God, I hated when mom wanted to talk politics. She hated Obama and let be known to anyone within earshot. Most of the CNA's were black.
Oh God, I hated when mom wanted to talk politics. She hated Obama and let be known to anyone within earshot. Most of the CNA's were black.
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (wagHN)
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a mid day chuckle
Clown World
https://tinyurl.com/2s3fncys
lol
cute gentleman at the wheel
classic leftie chick (I'm just guessing) - no way she's going to apologize
This is why people do not want to do the right thing anymore.
Clown World
https://tinyurl.com/2s3fncys
lol
cute gentleman at the wheel
classic leftie chick (I'm just guessing) - no way she's going to apologize
This is why people do not want to do the right thing anymore.
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (uQPen)
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OK banners - if Tik Tok originated in the US - would you be for it even if you didn't use it ? Lets take away the "Chinese" angle.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (flOYI)
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China bans our stuff at their firewalls.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (iayUP)
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What comes after Banana Republic? Asking for a friend.
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Fruit Apache.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (Vwz3I)
Cherry Hill
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Fruit Apache.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 31, 2023 02:48 PM (Vwz3I)
Cherry Hill
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (uQPen)
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Except TikTok is owned and run by a foreign government. It's not at all the same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
And as I mentioned before, conservative thought may end up on foreign servers and thus owned there. Who knows who will be willing to host it.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (exHjb)
To me its the same stupidity as Dominion counting our election results, when it is not even an American Company... and some of that data goes overseas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)
And as I mentioned before, conservative thought may end up on foreign servers and thus owned there. Who knows who will be willing to host it.
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:46 PM (exHjb)
To me its the same stupidity as Dominion counting our election results, when it is not even an American Company... and some of that data goes overseas.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (oHd/0)
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I personally don't like foreign ownership of American assets or companies... or LAND.... America by and for Americans.
I've often wondered how LIVs would react if everyone called it the "Mexican Owned Times" instead of the New York Times but..comparing it to the Bezos Post it really isn't any different.
I've often wondered how LIVs would react if everyone called it the "Mexican Owned Times" instead of the New York Times but..comparing it to the Bezos Post it really isn't any different.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (lc5cP)
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Orange Julius
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (v0TzN)
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I wouldn't care at all except for the Chinese angle.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (iayUP)
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The Left considers us a much bigger threat than foreign governments.
Well, the upside to that is that they've made it perfectly clear.
Well, the upside to that is that they've made it perfectly clear.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (Xrfse)
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Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (v0TzN)
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Lindsey started to defend the bill, but was sober enough to stop. Then he had lame reasoning that the provisions wouldn't trump the Constitution, as if that ever stopped the bureaucracy and most judges once the machinery was underway.
The guy needs to go. SC voters, send him packing.
The guy needs to go. SC voters, send him packing.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 31, 2023 02:50 PM (fs1hN)
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@174
>> Graham helped tilt the election to Biden.
Remember his abortion bill?
There are so many operators, free agents and mercenaries running around the "halls of power," that truly understanding what the full game actually is, is nearly impossible.
Nothing is rational, nothing makes sense and that seems to be the SOP for the Capital City and it's urchins.
>> Graham helped tilt the election to Biden.
Remember his abortion bill?
There are so many operators, free agents and mercenaries running around the "halls of power," that truly understanding what the full game actually is, is nearly impossible.
Nothing is rational, nothing makes sense and that seems to be the SOP for the Capital City and it's urchins.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 02:50 PM (up/3i)
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The Chinese shouldn't be spying on Americans. That's the Demcorats' job.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:50 PM (KpYH4)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:51 PM (EMO0a)
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TikTok sucks but I can't see the government doing something about it that doesn't wind up being another overly broad power grab with huge unintended consequences. So I gotta go with not banning it: the cure is worse than the disease.
Posted by: CppThis at March 31, 2023 02:51 PM (PZvjL)
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200 I wouldn't care at all except for the Chinese angle.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (iayUP)
Then don't care...or put so much garbage on it that Chinese spying is worthless.
I mean, if I was DoD, and I was worried about Chinese spying through the app, I'd put so much garbage on it the data would be meaningless. I'm sure our smart governmental people. who we know ALREADY monitor social media, could figure out how to make the spying data worthless...
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (iayUP)
Then don't care...or put so much garbage on it that Chinese spying is worthless.
I mean, if I was DoD, and I was worried about Chinese spying through the app, I'd put so much garbage on it the data would be meaningless. I'm sure our smart governmental people. who we know ALREADY monitor social media, could figure out how to make the spying data worthless...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:51 PM (exHjb)
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Oooh, this should be good.
Musk pledges to make "most of the recommendation algorithm" open source.
https://bit.ly/42TWMTn
Musk pledges to make "most of the recommendation algorithm" open source.
https://bit.ly/42TWMTn
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:51 PM (j2Xg6)
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (us2H3)
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My bad.
AOC and Rand Paul are against legislation banning TikTok.
Well, sort of.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (v0TzN)
One of the problems of course is that it's damn near impossible to know what exactly is in the bill, and whether the bill itself would do anything one might want it to do.
So it's very possible both are against it for very different reasons. It's been said the "Ban Tik Tok" bill doesn't actually, you know, ban Tik Tok. So....
AOC and Rand Paul are against legislation banning TikTok.
Well, sort of.
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 02:44 PM (v0TzN)
One of the problems of course is that it's damn near impossible to know what exactly is in the bill, and whether the bill itself would do anything one might want it to do.
So it's very possible both are against it for very different reasons. It's been said the "Ban Tik Tok" bill doesn't actually, you know, ban Tik Tok. So....
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (S3vYy)
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I wouldn't care at all except for the Chinese angle.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (iayUP)
And that's where I can agree as well. If we were talking about a simple one page bill ... Tik Tok, and everything else from your piece of shit Chinese Internet Content Company, can go somewhere else ... I'd be fine with it. Enthusiastic, even.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (iayUP)
And that's where I can agree as well. If we were talking about a simple one page bill ... Tik Tok, and everything else from your piece of shit Chinese Internet Content Company, can go somewhere else ... I'd be fine with it. Enthusiastic, even.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (flOYI)
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Hi SMH!
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (wagHN)
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Who wrote the Restrict Act?
"Yes, we think government bureaucrats should be able to put citizens in prison for 20 years, for disagreeing with the lies and propaganda of DeepState (and/or CCP)."
We have seen what they call Misinformation ...
"The Vax is not safe and effective" ... 20 year sentence.
Dems cheated in the election, Ivermectin and the rest are effective early treatments, Fauci is not Science, Biden takes bribes from out enemies, ... in the coming dystopia, those comments will be tracked even in private emails, and you will be hauled off in the middle of the night.
Should there be protests in front of the homes of these terrorists trying to pass this? No, our protests are already (almost) criminalized.
"Yes, we think government bureaucrats should be able to put citizens in prison for 20 years, for disagreeing with the lies and propaganda of DeepState (and/or CCP)."
We have seen what they call Misinformation ...
"The Vax is not safe and effective" ... 20 year sentence.
Dems cheated in the election, Ivermectin and the rest are effective early treatments, Fauci is not Science, Biden takes bribes from out enemies, ... in the coming dystopia, those comments will be tracked even in private emails, and you will be hauled off in the middle of the night.
Should there be protests in front of the homes of these terrorists trying to pass this? No, our protests are already (almost) criminalized.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (Cus5s)
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A lot of evil genies have been let out of their bottles by government, technology moguls, billionaires, and Leftists over the past 60 years. It will be very difficult to get even a few of those evil genies back into their bottles, because about half of the population wants them to remain free. And because almost all of our governments, local to Federal, tech moguls, and billionaires also want them to remain free. Buy more ammo.
Posted by: Gref at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (AMIL/)
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I still think children under 18 should be banned from social media. It's more dangerous than guns and alcohol.
I cannot understand why the hell any parent lets their kid have a smart phone. Period. Give them a dorky flip phone, something that they can ONLY text and call with if you feel you absolutely must let them have one (you don't).
Wait, what's that you say? There are no pay phones, they have to have one for an emergency? EVERYBODY HAS A PHONE. They're 9000 times more accessible than the few scattered pay phones that were in urban areas.
In any case, even if you let them have internet access and a phone, they should only be used under supervision, in a limited time period, for specific purposes. No "Billy needs the internet in his bedroom" or "Sally has to have a phone she can use all the time or she'll be socially outcast!" crap.
I cannot understand why the hell any parent lets their kid have a smart phone. Period. Give them a dorky flip phone, something that they can ONLY text and call with if you feel you absolutely must let them have one (you don't).
Wait, what's that you say? There are no pay phones, they have to have one for an emergency? EVERYBODY HAS A PHONE. They're 9000 times more accessible than the few scattered pay phones that were in urban areas.
In any case, even if you let them have internet access and a phone, they should only be used under supervision, in a limited time period, for specific purposes. No "Billy needs the internet in his bedroom" or "Sally has to have a phone she can use all the time or she'll be socially outcast!" crap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (0hOvj)
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211 One of the problems of course is that it's damn near impossible to know what exactly is in the bill, and whether the bill itself would do anything one might want it to do.
So it's very possible both are against it for very different reasons. It's been said the "Ban Tik Tok" bill doesn't actually, you know, ban Tik Tok. So....
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (S3vYy)
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The Ban TikTok bill will build several homeless shelters in San Francisco and not ban TikTok.
So it's very possible both are against it for very different reasons. It's been said the "Ban Tik Tok" bill doesn't actually, you know, ban Tik Tok. So....
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (S3vYy)
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The Ban TikTok bill will build several homeless shelters in San Francisco and not ban TikTok.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (LvTSG)
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Just watched a vid of some prof at U of Pittsburgh being laughed at when he was confronted by swimmer Riley Gaines and asked if he could tell the difference between a man or a woman based on their skeleton. He said no! And the audience was laughing. Then he says. I am the expert here! They keep laughing and he acutally says. I have a PHD! hilarity. Video is on FOX.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 31, 2023 02:53 PM (xAptn)
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The fact is, Google, Apple, Microsoft, and lots of others collect a ton of data on people around the world every day. If it's just about data collection, then you have to address that. If it's about propaganda, well the enemy within is a lot more dangerous.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:53 PM (iayUP)
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Once the chinese military saw what this software could do, they shut it down in country asap, faster than they shut down for the Wuhan flu.
Then, they exported it in the same way they exported the flu.
Then, they exported it in the same way they exported the flu.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (KpYH4)
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They'll pass it here or run it through some other way...
By the time you benighted peasants hear about a policy """proposal,""" the various "stakeholders" from "both" "parties," the State, and their private sector cat's paws have already met and agreed that it absolutely will happen BAMN.
Whether it's your gas stove or your freedom of speech, or anything else, if you're hearing about it, you can write it off... it's dead, Jim.
By the time you benighted peasants hear about a policy """proposal,""" the various "stakeholders" from "both" "parties," the State, and their private sector cat's paws have already met and agreed that it absolutely will happen BAMN.
Whether it's your gas stove or your freedom of speech, or anything else, if you're hearing about it, you can write it off... it's dead, Jim.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (oINRc)
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I have no gamers' portfolio. Just don't care for 'em, after the first one I ever played took all the quarters and didn't work, no refund. I guess I stand as strongly as the next man for every teen-aged masturbator's innate right to get to the third level, dance the dance, save the Princess. Fine.
Show me evidence that installing that game on our department computers tracks keystrokes for the CCP, and I'm going to make the boys play their videos in the same place I can smoke cigarettes -- in the privacy of their own homes. How is that not simple?
Show me evidence that installing that game on our department computers tracks keystrokes for the CCP, and I'm going to make the boys play their videos in the same place I can smoke cigarettes -- in the privacy of their own homes. How is that not simple?
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (jYCXf)
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4 OK banners - if Tik Tok originated in the US - would you be for it even if you didn't use it ? Lets take away the "Chinese" angle.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (flOYI)
Shouldn't you be smoking dope about now? Isn't your shift over yet?
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:49 PM (flOYI)
Shouldn't you be smoking dope about now? Isn't your shift over yet?
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (S3vYy)
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220 Once the chinese military saw what this software could do, they shut it down in country asap, faster than they shut down for the Wuhan flu.
Then, they exported it in the same way they exported the flu.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)
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Banning it would be against our principles. We must allow the Chinese to run a psychological operation against our population, mostly the country's children, is better than losing our principles.
Then, they exported it in the same way they exported the flu.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)
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Banning it would be against our principles. We must allow the Chinese to run a psychological operation against our population, mostly the country's children, is better than losing our principles.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (LvTSG)
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@211
>>So it's very possible both are against it for very different reasons. It's been said the "Ban Tik Tok" bill doesn't actually, you know, ban Tik Tok. So....
Are you suggesting that The Affordable Health Care Act did not actually make Health Care Affordable or The Patriot Act wasn't exclusively used to target terrorists organizations?
>>So it's very possible both are against it for very different reasons. It's been said the "Ban Tik Tok" bill doesn't actually, you know, ban Tik Tok. So....
Are you suggesting that The Affordable Health Care Act did not actually make Health Care Affordable or The Patriot Act wasn't exclusively used to target terrorists organizations?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (up/3i)
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I mean, if I was DoD, and I was worried about Chinese spying through the app, I'd put so much garbage on it the data would be meaningless.
Therein lies the problem.
Therein lies the problem.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (Xrfse)
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Thanks ".....".
The last two are meh. The specifics of the first 3 are the key. And my question was seeking specific examples of how they were used in an abusive manner. Of course if they were abuses, then it muddies the whole thing, since abuses of existing laws are illegal and are not made possible by those laws, by definition.
FISA long long predated 9/11, which few seem to know, and the abuses of that process as part of the Mega-Scandal/rolling coup against Trump are just that - abuses of those powers. Of course having literally ZERO consequences for all of the abuses and crimes committed in the Mega-Scandal (a few resignations - to the welcoming arms of the "press" and the vast system of degraded corrupt racist-authoritarian organizations - is equivalent to zero consequences) renders even the existence of laws (controversial or not) sort of moot.
Lawlessness = chaos.
The last two are meh. The specifics of the first 3 are the key. And my question was seeking specific examples of how they were used in an abusive manner. Of course if they were abuses, then it muddies the whole thing, since abuses of existing laws are illegal and are not made possible by those laws, by definition.
FISA long long predated 9/11, which few seem to know, and the abuses of that process as part of the Mega-Scandal/rolling coup against Trump are just that - abuses of those powers. Of course having literally ZERO consequences for all of the abuses and crimes committed in the Mega-Scandal (a few resignations - to the welcoming arms of the "press" and the vast system of degraded corrupt racist-authoritarian organizations - is equivalent to zero consequences) renders even the existence of laws (controversial or not) sort of moot.
Lawlessness = chaos.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2023 02:55 PM (OTzUX)
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Once the chinese military saw what this software could do, they shut it down in country asap, faster than they shut down for the Wuhan flu.
Spoiler Alert - if we ban Tik Tok, and everything that rhymes with Tik Tok from China ? An American company will fill that void in thirty days or less.
Because there is a market, much to my chagrin, for fifteen second videos that rot your mind quicker than hard candy breaks teeth.
Spoiler Alert - if we ban Tik Tok, and everything that rhymes with Tik Tok from China ? An American company will fill that void in thirty days or less.
Because there is a market, much to my chagrin, for fifteen second videos that rot your mind quicker than hard candy breaks teeth.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:55 PM (flOYI)
Posted by: AOC at March 31, 2023 02:55 PM (M3hSG)
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I think this bill should die.
I think TikTok should be barred from US devices.
If it's the bill or nothing, I choose nothing.
"Something must be done," if ever said by a politician, should lead to an immediate expulsion from office.
I think TikTok should be barred from US devices.
If it's the bill or nothing, I choose nothing.
"Something must be done," if ever said by a politician, should lead to an immediate expulsion from office.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:55 PM (LvTSG)
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The Ban TikTok bill will build several homeless shelters in San Francisco and not ban TikTok.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (LvTSG)
What???
And no needle exchange programs?? The outrage!!
The Ban TikTok bill will build several homeless shelters in San Francisco and not ban TikTok.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (LvTSG)
What???
And no needle exchange programs?? The outrage!!
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (S3vYy)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (Xrfse)
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The problem with banning anything from china is that they just re-register it in some other country that is beholden to them. Thus my suggestion on requiring approval on data collection individually and payment per byte of data. Make it too expensive and cumbersome.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (lTGtQ)
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Members of the Austrian parliament walks out as Zelenskyyyy begins a video conference speech.
https://bit.ly/3M5Pcz2
https://bit.ly/3M5Pcz2
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (j2Xg6)
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"OK, so how does Tik Tok make money in the US?"
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (oHd/0)
I assume you're being rhetorical but to be honest, I don't understand the income flow of a lot of these outfits.
Rumble was bragging about revenues increased 14 million in their last quarter and all I'm thinking is from what? Gum restoration snake oil?
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (oHd/0)
I assume you're being rhetorical but to be honest, I don't understand the income flow of a lot of these outfits.
Rumble was bragging about revenues increased 14 million in their last quarter and all I'm thinking is from what? Gum restoration snake oil?
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (76Foq)
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Why would anyone on our side ever be in favor of another bill of any kind ever again? I don't get it. Have I woke up on Planet Zaxxon?
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (KpYH4)
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I guess the only solution is to embrace this evolution of the wonderous thing we call the internets.
Posted by: fd at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (iayUP)
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Shouldn't you be smoking dope about now? Isn't your shift over yet?
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (S3vYy)
You have me confused with jackstraw. He's the smoker. I'm the day drinker.
The club down the street is open now, though. And they just re-skinned the pool tables. They roll really nice now.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (S3vYy)
You have me confused with jackstraw. He's the smoker. I'm the day drinker.
The club down the street is open now, though. And they just re-skinned the pool tables. They roll really nice now.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (flOYI)
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236 Rumble was bragging about revenues increased 14 million in their last quarter and all I'm thinking is from what? Gum restoration snake oil?
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (76Foq)
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My guess would be ad revenue. Rumble might have a subscription type model as well sort of like YouTube Premium.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (76Foq)
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My guess would be ad revenue. Rumble might have a subscription type model as well sort of like YouTube Premium.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (LvTSG)
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People are stupid.
People like Tikky Tocky or whatever it's name is.
You'd think they would have learned from MySpace years ago.
But people are stupid...
People like Tikky Tocky or whatever it's name is.
You'd think they would have learned from MySpace years ago.
But people are stupid...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 31, 2023 02:58 PM (R/m4+)
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What can TikTok do now? Certainly some damage. But no meaningful amount.
American Communist Party digital media already destroyed the country years ago. All Chinese Communist Party digital media can do now is make the rubble bounce.
American Communist Party digital media already destroyed the country years ago. All Chinese Communist Party digital media can do now is make the rubble bounce.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 31, 2023 02:58 PM (oINRc)
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It would probably be good if I was banned from social media.
Posted by: That Northern skulker at March 31, 2023 02:58 PM (VdGjU)
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. This poison is for White Devils' Children only.
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Do not forget our darker complected citizens. Communist Chinese Leaders hate Blacks, especially Africans.
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Do not forget our darker complected citizens. Communist Chinese Leaders hate Blacks, especially Africans.
Posted by: rd at March 31, 2023 02:58 PM (Z32m1)
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SMH!!!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 31, 2023 02:58 PM (kwa+0)
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Spoiler Alert - if we ban Tik Tok, and everything that rhymes with Tik Tok from China ? An American company will fill that void in thirty days or less.
Google already has an identical short-form film format in place, down to the "only records vertical phone cam" style.
Google already has an identical short-form film format in place, down to the "only records vertical phone cam" style.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (0hOvj)
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Clown World
https://tinyurl.com/2s3fncys
I dunno ... unlikely scenario. How would he know her number?
If he had her number, why wouldn't he just text her?
She does have the "permanently irritated harridan" act down pat though.
https://tinyurl.com/2s3fncys
I dunno ... unlikely scenario. How would he know her number?
If he had her number, why wouldn't he just text her?
She does have the "permanently irritated harridan" act down pat though.
Posted by: spindrift at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (Xrfse)
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214 Who wrote the Restrict Act?
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There is some evil stuff in there. Best to assume that each co-sponsor is responsible for every single word and get called on all the worst aspects.
But no one goes on Tucker, and Hannity is too stupid. Lindsey got fooled by Watters goofy grin, not going to happen again.
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There is some evil stuff in there. Best to assume that each co-sponsor is responsible for every single word and get called on all the worst aspects.
But no one goes on Tucker, and Hannity is too stupid. Lindsey got fooled by Watters goofy grin, not going to happen again.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (fs1hN)
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The club down the street is open now, though. And they just re-skinned the pool tables. They roll really nice now.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (flOYI)
you felt them ?
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (flOYI)
you felt them ?
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (us2H3)
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BREAKING: 30 counts of document related fraud for Trump (supposedly) 2 sources in local NBC report...
https://tinyurl.com/4bu6znhm
https://tinyurl.com/4bu6znhm
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (EMO0a)
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The constitution does not apply to the internet.
It was not invented then! duh
Posted by: AOC at March 31, 2023 02:55 PM (M3hSG)
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Al Gore wasn't a founding father?
And wasn't the term "algorithm" named after his rapey second chakra?
It was not invented then! duh
Posted by: AOC at March 31, 2023 02:55 PM (M3hSG)
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Al Gore wasn't a founding father?
And wasn't the term "algorithm" named after his rapey second chakra?
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (9gSJi)
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As it turns out the Patriot Act was intended to target patriots.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (KpYH4)
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BREAKING: 30 counts of document related fraud for Trump (supposedly) 2 sources in local NBC report...
https://tinyurl.com/4bu6znhm
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)
Yet still no manifesto.
Huh
https://tinyurl.com/4bu6znhm
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)
Yet still no manifesto.
Huh
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 03:00 PM (KpYH4)
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Without Tik Tok, we would have no Libs of Tik Tok, which is the best lulzing ever.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 31, 2023 03:00 PM (xAptn)
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You have me confused with jackstraw.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (flOYI)
No, I don't have you confused with Jack. Jack is a known commenter here, so even when I disagree with him, I don't have to wonder if he's some anonymous sock who has a disingenuous agenda.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (flOYI)
No, I don't have you confused with Jack. Jack is a known commenter here, so even when I disagree with him, I don't have to wonder if he's some anonymous sock who has a disingenuous agenda.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (S3vYy)
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This is absolutely insane. A U.S. senator should not be learning about their own co-sponsorship of a bill for the first time on Fox News. Let alone a bill that basically gives the government massive, sweeping new powers to surveil and restrict the internet.
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Legislation has been written by whoever paid to write it for a long time.
That's part of the reason the federal government is illegitimate.
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Legislation has been written by whoever paid to write it for a long time.
That's part of the reason the federal government is illegitimate.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (kOpft)
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"My guess would be ad revenue. Rumble might have a subscription type model as well sort of like YouTube Premium."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (LvTSG)
Only Crowder has a subscription-based show and that doesn't start for a couple weeks yet. I know the revenue is from ads but they don't really have any advertisers. Like I said just some snake oil outfits.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (LvTSG)
Only Crowder has a subscription-based show and that doesn't start for a couple weeks yet. I know the revenue is from ads but they don't really have any advertisers. Like I said just some snake oil outfits.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (76Foq)
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Lawmakers cited national security concerns
I don't want to one F'ing thing about "national security concerns" for as long as Democrats are handing over classified information to anyone who asks and brings enough money or pussy.
Not one word about "national security" with wide open borders allowing anyone in. Where is their concern for "national security" when it comes to food? electricity? oil? fentanyl? THE FREAKIN' BUDGET! and possible loss as the reserve currency. The current state of affairs in the Party Military that salutes Xi and Greta Thunberg but craps on PDJT - that "national security"?
Draining out the SPR to give China what it demands is "national security"?
I don't want to one F'ing thing about "national security concerns" for as long as Democrats are handing over classified information to anyone who asks and brings enough money or pussy.
Not one word about "national security" with wide open borders allowing anyone in. Where is their concern for "national security" when it comes to food? electricity? oil? fentanyl? THE FREAKIN' BUDGET! and possible loss as the reserve currency. The current state of affairs in the Party Military that salutes Xi and Greta Thunberg but craps on PDJT - that "national security"?
Draining out the SPR to give China what it demands is "national security"?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 31, 2023 03:02 PM (YXHzG)
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249 214 Who wrote the Restrict Act?
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There is some evil stuff in there. Best to assume that each co-sponsor is responsible for every single word and get called on all the worst aspects.
But no one goes on Tucker, and Hannity is too stupid. Lindsey got fooled by Watters goofy grin, not going to happen again.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (fs1hN)
I don't know who wrote it--and I don't know if that can be known. I can tell you the names of the co-sponsors:
https://tinyurl.com/mrynx9nx
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There is some evil stuff in there. Best to assume that each co-sponsor is responsible for every single word and get called on all the worst aspects.
But no one goes on Tucker, and Hannity is too stupid. Lindsey got fooled by Watters goofy grin, not going to happen again.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (fs1hN)
I don't know who wrote it--and I don't know if that can be known. I can tell you the names of the co-sponsors:
https://tinyurl.com/mrynx9nx
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 03:02 PM (v0TzN)
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251 BREAKING: 30 counts of document related fraud for Trump (supposedly) 2 sources in local NBC report...
https://tinyurl.com/4bu6znhm
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)
99.9% of NYC CPA's buttholes just tightened
https://tinyurl.com/4bu6znhm
Posted by: Nova Local at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)
99.9% of NYC CPA's buttholes just tightened
Posted by: REDACTED at March 31, 2023 03:02 PM (us2H3)
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30 counts of document related fraud
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Cohen ran the copy machine through for 30 copies, ergo, 30 counts of fraud.
- A. Bragg, super D.A.
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Cohen ran the copy machine through for 30 copies, ergo, 30 counts of fraud.
- A. Bragg, super D.A.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 31, 2023 03:02 PM (fs1hN)
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I think this bill should die. I think TikTok should be barred from US devices. If it's the bill or nothing, I choose nothing.
I would be fine with all of that. And all of that can be achieved with a one or two page bill. Not what's on the floor of Congress now.
I would be fine with all of that. And all of that can be achieved with a one or two page bill. Not what's on the floor of Congress now.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:03 PM (flOYI)
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237 Why would anyone on our side ever be in favor of another bill of any kind ever again? I don't get it. Have I woke up on Planet Zaxxon?
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (KpYH4)
The dirty little secret of American conservatism is that for all the big talk about limiting government power, by and large they have a massive hardon for state power so long as they or their proxies control it. Just like the liberals claim to be all in for civil rights, but only insofar as the People's Ministry Of Civil Rights waves their flag.
This is why I identify as nationalist libertarian. Edmund Burke had some awesome ideas but they've been out of practice for like 200 years.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:57 PM (KpYH4)
The dirty little secret of American conservatism is that for all the big talk about limiting government power, by and large they have a massive hardon for state power so long as they or their proxies control it. Just like the liberals claim to be all in for civil rights, but only insofar as the People's Ministry Of Civil Rights waves their flag.
This is why I identify as nationalist libertarian. Edmund Burke had some awesome ideas but they've been out of practice for like 200 years.
Posted by: CppThis at March 31, 2023 03:03 PM (PZvjL)
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So, a complete Chinese takeover could be considered beneficial if it manages to let us be Christians if we want? Huh. I am confused. The machinations of the Inevitable Global Kleptocracy sure are fascinating to watch play out though. Something wicked this way comes. Evil incarnate camouflaged by the big lie claiming love, respect and tranquility is on the horizon.
Please, Lord, tell me that the Rapture is a real event, that it will happen prior to things getting horrific, and that my family and friends will be removed from the world and avoid all of whatever is coming.
Please, Lord, tell me that the Rapture is a real event, that it will happen prior to things getting horrific, and that my family and friends will be removed from the world and avoid all of whatever is coming.
Posted by: Hairpin Corner Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at March 31, 2023 03:03 PM (o+Kq8)
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Former President Donald Trump’s first hearing will take place on April 4, a court spokesperson confirmed on Friday.
Trump is set to appear at 2:15 p.m. on Tuesday before New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan, the spokesperson told The Epoch Times via email.
https://tinyurl.com/4ztm838r
Trump is set to appear at 2:15 p.m. on Tuesday before New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan, the spokesperson told The Epoch Times via email.
https://tinyurl.com/4ztm838r
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (EMO0a)
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As it turns out the Patriot Act was intended to target patriots.
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (KpYH4)
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Indeed, much like the Affordable Care Act targeted they are U.S. Healthcare System & Insurance for destruction.
[I remember being astonished at the time that they pull these multi-hundred page bills immediately out of file cabinets ... almost is it they were pre-written by lobbyists waiting for the appropriate provocation for their use ... or something.]
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (KpYH4)
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Indeed, much like the Affordable Care Act targeted they are U.S. Healthcare System & Insurance for destruction.
[I remember being astonished at the time that they pull these multi-hundred page bills immediately out of file cabinets ... almost is it they were pre-written by lobbyists waiting for the appropriate provocation for their use ... or something.]
Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (xkC5C)
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No, I don't have you confused with Jack. Jack is a known commenter here, so even when I disagree with him, I don't have to wonder if he's some anonymous sock who has a disingenuous agenda.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (S3vYy)
And the green haze helps. To be honest, if Yankee Candle made a scent that emitted that haze, I'd buy it. By the case. I love the smell of the sticky green.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (S3vYy)
And the green haze helps. To be honest, if Yankee Candle made a scent that emitted that haze, I'd buy it. By the case. I love the smell of the sticky green.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (flOYI)
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Ask yourself if your government would ever harm China. You know they wouldn't... Unless the move would harm you more. It's *always* about harming *you.*
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (oINRc)
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Legislation has been written by whoever paid to write it for a long time.
And the Senator's worthless, feckless shit staffers that encourage their deadbeat boss to promote it.
And the Senator's worthless, feckless shit staffers that encourage their deadbeat boss to promote it.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (YXHzG)
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Please, Lord, tell me that the Rapture is a real event, that it will happen prior to things getting horrific, and that my family and friends will be removed from the world and avoid all of whatever is coming.
The alternative eschatology is that Jesus comes and shuts it all down completely and EVERYBODY gets out of this world. Doesn't end so well for some folks, but they had an entire life to get their soul right.
The alternative eschatology is that Jesus comes and shuts it all down completely and EVERYBODY gets out of this world. Doesn't end so well for some folks, but they had an entire life to get their soul right.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 03:05 PM (0hOvj)
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30 counts of document related fraud for Trump
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30 pages with a non-leap-year typo of February 29th.
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30 pages with a non-leap-year typo of February 29th.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 31, 2023 03:05 PM (Vwz3I)
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The dirty little secret of American conservatism is that for all the big talk about limiting government power, by and large they have a massive hardon for state power so long as they or their proxies control it.
Holy shit. I've been screaming that for twenty years. I thought I was the only one.
Holy shit. I've been screaming that for twenty years. I thought I was the only one.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:05 PM (flOYI)
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269 No, I don't have you confused with Jack. Jack is a known commenter here, so even when I disagree with him, I don't have to wonder if he's some anonymous sock who has a disingenuous agenda.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (S3vYy)
And the green haze helps. To be honest, if Yankee Candle made a scent that emitted that haze, I'd buy it. By the case. I love the smell of the sticky green.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (flOYI)
were open for business
Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (S3vYy)
And the green haze helps. To be honest, if Yankee Candle made a scent that emitted that haze, I'd buy it. By the case. I love the smell of the sticky green.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:04 PM (flOYI)
were open for business
Posted by: Motel 6 at March 31, 2023 03:05 PM (us2H3)
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234 The problem with banning anything from china is that they just re-register it in some other country that is beholden to them. Thus my suggestion on requiring approval on data collection individually and payment per byte of data. Make it too expensive and cumbersome.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (lTGtQ)
How could a TikTok ban in the US be enforced? By forcing internet and cell service suppliers to scan for it on all devices using the service? Then somehow delete it, or stop service and tell the FBI who is illegally running TikTok? No thanks. I want to ban TikTok - without creating another legal portal for every smart phone user to be spied on by service suppliers and harassed by the FBI. Can this be done?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 31, 2023 02:56 PM (lTGtQ)
How could a TikTok ban in the US be enforced? By forcing internet and cell service suppliers to scan for it on all devices using the service? Then somehow delete it, or stop service and tell the FBI who is illegally running TikTok? No thanks. I want to ban TikTok - without creating another legal portal for every smart phone user to be spied on by service suppliers and harassed by the FBI. Can this be done?
Posted by: Gref at March 31, 2023 03:06 PM (AMIL/)
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Legislation has been written by whoever paid to write it for a long time.
That's part of the reason the federal government is illegitimate.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (kOpft)
Concur.....they are inept, corrupt, overpaid, oversexed layabouts who no one will miss if they disappeared tomorrow.
That's part of the reason the federal government is illegitimate.
Posted by: Methos at March 31, 2023 03:01 PM (kOpft)
Concur.....they are inept, corrupt, overpaid, oversexed layabouts who no one will miss if they disappeared tomorrow.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 31, 2023 03:06 PM (R/m4+)
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RESTRICT Act
Restricting the Emergence of Security Threats that Risk Information and Communications Technology Act
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Such a cute acronym.
*shake weight motion*
Restricting the Emergence of Security Threats that Risk Information and Communications Technology Act
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Such a cute acronym.
*shake weight motion*
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 31, 2023 03:06 PM (fs1hN)
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@265
>>The dirty little secret of American conservatism is that for all the big talk about limiting government power, by and large they have a massive hardon for state power so long as they or their proxies control it.
The GOP has controlled Congress, ie, the power of the purse and the power to pass legislation for 20 of the last 28 years.
The GOP is the biggest convention of COSPlayers going, COMICON has nothing on these f**king jokers.
>>The dirty little secret of American conservatism is that for all the big talk about limiting government power, by and large they have a massive hardon for state power so long as they or their proxies control it.
The GOP has controlled Congress, ie, the power of the purse and the power to pass legislation for 20 of the last 28 years.
The GOP is the biggest convention of COSPlayers going, COMICON has nothing on these f**king jokers.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 03:07 PM (up/3i)
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Clown World
https://tinyurl.com/2s3fncys
I dunno ... unlikely scenario. How would he know her number?
If he had her number, why wouldn't he just text her?
She does have the "permanently irritated harridan" act down pat though.
Posted by: spindrift at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (h5TKJ)
what number? they were following her in their car when they saw the hose.
https://tinyurl.com/2s3fncys
I dunno ... unlikely scenario. How would he know her number?
If he had her number, why wouldn't he just text her?
She does have the "permanently irritated harridan" act down pat though.
Posted by: spindrift at March 31, 2023 02:59 PM (h5TKJ)
what number? they were following her in their car when they saw the hose.
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 31, 2023 03:07 PM (uQPen)
Posted by: ... at March 31, 2023 03:08 PM (KpYH4)
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Rumble has a subscription app called locals.
You can join it for free but if you want to comment on a live chat you pay something, I think minimum is $2.
You can join it for free but if you want to comment on a live chat you pay something, I think minimum is $2.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 03:08 PM (jTmQV)
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Concur.....they are inept, corrupt, overpaid, oversexed layabouts who no one will miss if they disappeared tomorrow.
I do envy them quite a bit.
I do envy them quite a bit.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:08 PM (flOYI)
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Ask yourself whether the Chinese government or the French government or the government of Cote d'Ivoire, or whomever, hates you and fears you more. Whoever it is, the US government hates you and fears you more. Always.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 31, 2023 03:08 PM (AmuUd)
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another ClownWorld vid from Pool - evidently it was taken down, no doubt because he highlighted it on his show
CREEPY Video Shows Woke Teacher INDOCTRINATING KIDS Into Thinking They Are NOT Boys Or Girls
https://tinyurl.com/25fv45t8
CREEPY Video Shows Woke Teacher INDOCTRINATING KIDS Into Thinking They Are NOT Boys Or Girls
https://tinyurl.com/25fv45t8
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 31, 2023 03:08 PM (uQPen)
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For any code monkey Morons, here is Twitter's recommendation algorithm on GitHub.
https://bit.ly/3nDr1Ot
https://bit.ly/3nDr1Ot
Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2023 03:09 PM (j2Xg6)
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I linked the heckling towards Graham when he was on Hannity in the previous post. Finally ppl see him for who he is.
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 31, 2023 03:09 PM (uQPen)
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The weekend is here, the weekend is here!
Posted by: Skip at March 31, 2023 03:09 PM (yyQiq)
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The gladiatrix (plural gladiatrices) is the female equivalent of the gladiator of ancient Rome.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 31, 2023 03:09 PM (OTXUv)
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151 What comes after Banana Republic? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Bananas Foster?
Posted by: Dantes at March 31, 2023 02:42 PM (fVKtH)
Bananas Foster?
Posted by: zombie Anthony Bourdain at March 31, 2023 03:10 PM (CCSxw)
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More proof that lobbyists write the bills, they enlist congresscritters to sponsor them, and then partner together to manipulate people further while getting paid.
Posted by: Danimal28 at March 31, 2023 03:10 PM (ryUqI)
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@268
>>[I remember being astonished at the time that they pull these multi-hundred page bills immediately out of file cabinets ... almost is it they were pre-written by lobbyists waiting for the appropriate provocation for their use ... or something.]
Well it was, HillaryCare anyone?
The Donk apparatus has numerous pieces of legislation in all sorts of filing cabinets just waiting for the opportunity.
The only plans our side has ready to go are temporary tax cuts, pork, and other nonsensical shit like light bulb bans.
>>[I remember being astonished at the time that they pull these multi-hundred page bills immediately out of file cabinets ... almost is it they were pre-written by lobbyists waiting for the appropriate provocation for their use ... or something.]
Well it was, HillaryCare anyone?
The Donk apparatus has numerous pieces of legislation in all sorts of filing cabinets just waiting for the opportunity.
The only plans our side has ready to go are temporary tax cuts, pork, and other nonsensical shit like light bulb bans.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 31, 2023 03:11 PM (up/3i)
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The dirty little secret of American conservatism is that for all the big talk about limiting government power, by and large they have a massive hardon for state power so long as they or their proxies control it.
Yeah that has been pointed out several times here in the past. Social Conservatives (raises hand) are often the most guilty of this. We'll talk about small government but what is really meant by many is "all the power is in the wrong hands".
Its not 100% consistent, some have their integrity of their position and don't mean that, but too many do. And our first response to problems should NEVER be "if only the government had more power" or "we need more laws"
Yeah that has been pointed out several times here in the past. Social Conservatives (raises hand) are often the most guilty of this. We'll talk about small government but what is really meant by many is "all the power is in the wrong hands".
Its not 100% consistent, some have their integrity of their position and don't mean that, but too many do. And our first response to problems should NEVER be "if only the government had more power" or "we need more laws"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 03:13 PM (0hOvj)
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Imagine if ace got paid $2 per comment...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 03:13 PM (jTmQV)
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How could a TikTok ban in the US be enforced?
I'm so glad that the nanny state has taken upon itself to decide what apps we can use.
Its right there in the Constitution, next to the Good n Plenty clause.
I'm supposed to ignore the innumerable troop of giant gorillas in the room, but the entire Western society falls if your transgendered, doped-up kid sees twerking on TikTok.
I'm so glad that the nanny state has taken upon itself to decide what apps we can use.
Its right there in the Constitution, next to the Good n Plenty clause.
I'm supposed to ignore the innumerable troop of giant gorillas in the room, but the entire Western society falls if your transgendered, doped-up kid sees twerking on TikTok.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 31, 2023 03:13 PM (YXHzG)
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Banning it would be against our principles. We must allow the Chinese to run a psychological operation against our population, mostly the country's children, is better than losing our principles.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (LvTSG)
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This, in a nutshell, is why I deprecate libertarians (and librarians, just to be sure). Applying one's "principles" unilaterally and reflexively across the board is puerile. There has to be a look-in for judgment, something that libertarians apparently lack.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 31, 2023 02:54 PM (LvTSG)
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This, in a nutshell, is why I deprecate libertarians (and librarians, just to be sure). Applying one's "principles" unilaterally and reflexively across the board is puerile. There has to be a look-in for judgment, something that libertarians apparently lack.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 31, 2023 03:14 PM (YqDXo)
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I didn't know Rumble owns Locals, I thought that was a Dan Bongino thing. I know Bongino and D'Souza bought a chunk of Rumble before it went public.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 03:14 PM (76Foq)
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How could a TikTok ban in the US be enforced? By forcing internet and cell service suppliers to scan for it on all devices using the service? Then somehow delete it, or stop service and tell the FBI who is illegally running TikTok? No thanks. I want to ban TikTok - without creating another legal portal for every smart phone user to be spied on by service suppliers and harassed by the FBI. Can this be done?
Posted by: Gref at March 31, 2023 03:06 PM (AMIL/)
The only way to implement and enforce a ban on Tik Tok would involve exactly what you have described. A ban on Tik Tok access, by it's very nature, would be a possible ban on anything/everything else on the web. We would be at the mercy of what ever bureaucrat is in charge. It is not a slippery slope it is actually a cliff.
Posted by: Gref at March 31, 2023 03:06 PM (AMIL/)
The only way to implement and enforce a ban on Tik Tok would involve exactly what you have described. A ban on Tik Tok access, by it's very nature, would be a possible ban on anything/everything else on the web. We would be at the mercy of what ever bureaucrat is in charge. It is not a slippery slope it is actually a cliff.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at March 31, 2023 03:14 PM (AiZBA)
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274 Holy shit. I've been screaming that for twenty years. I thought I was the only one.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:05 PM (flOYI)
I sometimes get into those arguments with my dad, who's very right wing but can't quite see past the hood of How It Ought To Be onto the road of How Things Actually Work.
Dad: Harrumph! Harrumph! The libruhls are oppressing us by regulating the Current Thing!
Me: So you're good with totally deregulating it, right? Can't trust those thieves in DC.
Dad: Oh but we can't do that son, why, there would be moral turpitude across the land. We must regulate it, but we must do it the conservative way.
Me: So we keep it under the control of the very institutions that you're complaining about? That makes no sense.
Dad: Harrumph! Harrumph!
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:05 PM (flOYI)
I sometimes get into those arguments with my dad, who's very right wing but can't quite see past the hood of How It Ought To Be onto the road of How Things Actually Work.
Dad: Harrumph! Harrumph! The libruhls are oppressing us by regulating the Current Thing!
Me: So you're good with totally deregulating it, right? Can't trust those thieves in DC.
Dad: Oh but we can't do that son, why, there would be moral turpitude across the land. We must regulate it, but we must do it the conservative way.
Me: So we keep it under the control of the very institutions that you're complaining about? That makes no sense.
Dad: Harrumph! Harrumph!
Posted by: CppThis at March 31, 2023 03:15 PM (PZvjL)
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maybe 300
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 03:15 PM (v0TzN)
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The only plans our side has ready to go are temporary tax cuts, pork, and other nonsensical shit like light bulb bans.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Not that they're actually our side, just, y'know.
After a while even dignifying the charade makes me vomit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Not that they're actually our side, just, y'know.
After a while even dignifying the charade makes me vomit.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at March 31, 2023 03:15 PM (OUMaO)
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This, in a nutshell, is why I deprecate libertarians (and librarians, just to be sure). Applying one's "principles" unilaterally and reflexively across the board is puerile. There has to be a look-in for judgment, something that libertarians apparently lack.
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So you have fucked crazy a couple times, rite?
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So you have fucked crazy a couple times, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 31, 2023 03:15 PM (OTXUv)
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nood
Posted by: m at March 31, 2023 03:16 PM (v0TzN)
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 31, 2023 03:16 PM (uQPen)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 03:16 PM (0hOvj)
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There are some podcasters on rumble using locals and they are making bank. I look at some podcasts when they aren't live anymore and some commenters toss in $50, $100 at a time.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 03:17 PM (jTmQV)
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This, in a nutshell, is why I deprecate libertarians (and librarians, just to be sure). Applying one's "principles" unilaterally and reflexively across the board is puerile. There has to be a look-in for judgment, something that libertarians apparently lack.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 31, 2023 03:14 PM (YqDXo)
And that's why I've learned to detest certain conservatives, Jay. Because you do the exact same thing - enforce your principles via lawfare and government - without the first damn thought that maybe your principles aren't appreciated by others.
And you are so ... damn ... blind ... to what you do.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 31, 2023 03:14 PM (YqDXo)
And that's why I've learned to detest certain conservatives, Jay. Because you do the exact same thing - enforce your principles via lawfare and government - without the first damn thought that maybe your principles aren't appreciated by others.
And you are so ... damn ... blind ... to what you do.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:17 PM (flOYI)
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Banning it would be against our principles. We must allow the Chinese to run a psychological operation against our population, mostly the country's children, is better than losing our principles.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch
This, in a nutshell, is why I deprecate libertarians (and librarians, just to be sure). Applying one's "principles" unilaterally and reflexively across the board is puerile. There has to be a look-in for judgment, something that libertarians apparently lack.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Honestly, the whole "debate" is garbage. Either we let it run rampant or we further empower domestic tyrants? Those are seriously our only options? The hell is wrong with us?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch
This, in a nutshell, is why I deprecate libertarians (and librarians, just to be sure). Applying one's "principles" unilaterally and reflexively across the board is puerile. There has to be a look-in for judgment, something that libertarians apparently lack.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Honestly, the whole "debate" is garbage. Either we let it run rampant or we further empower domestic tyrants? Those are seriously our only options? The hell is wrong with us?
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at March 31, 2023 03:18 PM (OUMaO)
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what number? they were following her in their car when they saw the hose.
Ah, I first heard "calling me". It does sound like she could be saying "following me" on another listen.
Ah, I first heard "calling me". It does sound like she could be saying "following me" on another listen.
Posted by: spindrift at March 31, 2023 03:18 PM (h5TKJ)
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Maybe its worth considering that mocking your dad is not a great look.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 03:16 PM (0hOvj)
Blah. Nobody loves their dad more than I love mine. But the man is the living embodiment of Boomer Jackass. To know him is to love him is to be irritated.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 03:16 PM (0hOvj)
Blah. Nobody loves their dad more than I love mine. But the man is the living embodiment of Boomer Jackass. To know him is to love him is to be irritated.
Posted by: Get a Job at March 31, 2023 03:19 PM (flOYI)
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Ban TikTok and some other stupid app will pop up in its place. Just a few years ago everyone was doing Vines. These networks come and go.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (KbCG3)
Is there any way that private citizens could cause TikTok to crash?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 31, 2023 02:25 PM (KbCG3)
Is there any way that private citizens could cause TikTok to crash?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2023 03:20 PM (tkR6S)
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"There are some podcasters on rumble using locals and they are making bank. I look at some podcasts when they aren't live anymore and some commenters toss in $50, $100 at a time."
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 03:17 PM (jTmQV)
Rumble has a live chat pay function also, Rumble rants?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 31, 2023 03:17 PM (jTmQV)
Rumble has a live chat pay function also, Rumble rants?
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 03:21 PM (76Foq)
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Urgent! If you promise to donate $20.00 by midnight tonight, we promise to try and have some paper for you to vote with.
Posted by: The GOP at March 31, 2023 03:25 PM (76Foq)
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Off sock
Posted by: lowandslow at March 31, 2023 03:26 PM (76Foq)
Posted by: Calvin at March 31, 2023 03:28 PM (M3hSG)
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I cannot understand why the hell any parent lets their kid have a smart phone. Period. Give them a dorky flip phone, something that they can ONLY text and call with if you feel you absolutely must let them have one (you don't).
Wait, what's that you say? There are no pay phones, they have to have one for an emergency? EVERYBODY HAS A PHONE. They're 9000 times more accessible than the few scattered pay phones that were in urban areas.
In any case, even if you let them have internet access and a phone, they should only be used under supervision, in a limited time period, for specific purposes. No "Billy needs the internet in his bedroom" or "Sally has to have a phone she can use all the time or she'll be socially outcast!" crap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (0hOvj)
Exactly! And one could probably design kid-friendly smart phones with built-in blockers for social media apps. Maybe some little program in the boot sector that will brick the OS if a social media site is accessed, either directly, or through some attempted work-around.
Wait, what's that you say? There are no pay phones, they have to have one for an emergency? EVERYBODY HAS A PHONE. They're 9000 times more accessible than the few scattered pay phones that were in urban areas.
In any case, even if you let them have internet access and a phone, they should only be used under supervision, in a limited time period, for specific purposes. No "Billy needs the internet in his bedroom" or "Sally has to have a phone she can use all the time or she'll be socially outcast!" crap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 31, 2023 02:52 PM (0hOvj)
Exactly! And one could probably design kid-friendly smart phones with built-in blockers for social media apps. Maybe some little program in the boot sector that will brick the OS if a social media site is accessed, either directly, or through some attempted work-around.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 31, 2023 03:42 PM (tkR6S)
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BAN EVERYTHING!!
Posted by: runner at March 31, 2023 03:44 PM (eDPLA)
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Put TikToc behind a paywall. Then kids would have to use their parent’s cc and get their permission to use.
Posted by: Whatsinaname at March 31, 2023 03:45 PM (Eei8h)
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If some nosy little liberal snowflake overhears you using hurtful words and reports you then its time for these nasty little snitches to keep their noses to themselves and be reminded Freedom of Speech don't only means them alone
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at March 31, 2023 04:41 PM (wGqjj)
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"TikTok should be banned."
Ace is a communist.
Ace is a communist.
Posted by: Vylydymyr Cocainskyy at April 01, 2023 09:12 AM (YIVgp)
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