Where Is Galileo When We Need Him? Stop The Pendulum!

Is this the typical American pendulum? We often swing from insanity to insanity until we (usually...hopefully) find some relatively levelheaded middle ground.

At first glance that is exactly what it is. Michelangelo's sculpture of the biblical figure David is one of the glories of Western civilization, and arguably* the greatest sculpture ever! The typical 6th grader can find prurience on a box of oatmeal, so concerns that a simple viewing of David and his genitalia are going to sexualize these kids seem overwrought and hysterical. Any competent teacher can control that, explain the historical use of nudity, link the sculpture to the Bible, and then tell the story of David and Goliath!

A principal was fired over 6th graders seeing a photo of Michelangelo's David sculpture

Hope Carrasquilla of Tallahassee Classical School in Leon County is no longer employed by the school. She was given a choice by the school board – resign or be fired. She chose to resign. Why? Well, that is the question. Was it because sixth-graders were shown a picture of Michelangelo’s David sculpture in their Renaissance art history class?
Carrasquilla’s termination was the subject of a last-minute emergency board meeting that was scheduled for 7 a.m. Monday. Three parents complained about the photo being shown in class and how the exposure to the world-renowned classic was handled. The school is a charter school. Parents send their children there for a classical education. Renaissance art history is to be expected as part of the curriculum. These are sixth-graders, not kindergarteners. Typically, sixth-graders are 11 and 12 years old.

Except...is that all that is going on?

Florida school principal resigns after complaints over "pornographic" David sculpture

School board chair Barney Bishop told CBS News Saturday that Carrasquilla was asked to resign over "a number of other issues,'' and the latest incident was the culmination.
He claimed that Carrasquilla knew that if she blamed the Michelangelo photo for her resignation, the "mainstream media" would "twist it" and wouldn't report the truth.

Without more information it is difficult to understand why this teacher was sent packing, and because our experience over the last generation has taught us to discount pretty much everything ever uttered by any official anywhere, we may never know the entire story.

But "Michelangelo's David is not pornographic. Books portraying sex between minors and adults are pornographic, and insidious because they are undoubtedly part of a carefully constructed program to desensitize children to the horror of pedophilia. Viewing an absolutely spectacular sculpture with tremendous historical context is simply part of a well-rounded education.

Would I be irritated if I weren't informed beforehand of the topic and the photo being used? Maybe. Probably not. But I can't speak for other parents, and it is reasonable for those three parents to be irritated.

On the other hand, this will be used by the leftist media to show the evil of "censorship" and how parental notification laws are injuring our children! Which is arrant nonsense and can be refuted with ease.

So what happened? Who the hell knows!

*We can discuss this on The Art Thread...The "Pieta" ain't bad, Donatello's "Mary Magdalene" is in the running, and some guy named "Rodin" did some good stuff! [Just don't mention Duchamp or you're gonna get savaged!]

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1 No idea

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 12:00 PM (xhxe8)

2 But I do know where the horde is hanging out so called em

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 12:01 PM (xhxe8)

3 Maybe not in a charter school but bet in any public school could find porno literature pushing grooming.

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 12:04 PM (xhxe8)

4 Middle ground?

So, we swing from Communism to the Constitution and those are both insanity? Seems like a lie. Seems like it's not a pendulem, but a ratchet. Sometines the ratchet slips and the bolt backs off a little.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 26, 2023 12:05 PM (n5wIy)

5 This is just another noose hanging in a garage.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:06 PM (IhbYA)

6 Drag show good....classical art bad

Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2023 12:07 PM (AwYPR)

7 School board chair Barney Bishop told CBS News Saturday that Carrasquilla was asked to resign over "a number of other issues,'' and the latest incident was the culmination.

"The parents are a bunch of bigots who over-reacted when she gave out books about exploring different forms of sexuality." -- This... is XiNN

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2023 12:07 PM (llON8)

8 Now do Super Bowl halftime shows.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (DhOHl)

9 So, we swing from Communism to the Constitution and those are both insanity?

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 26, 2023 12:05 PM (n5wIy)

No. That's not what I wrote.

Pornographic materials designed to groom children, and keeping the use of those materials from the parents is one side of the swing.

The other side of the swing is seeing everything as pornographic grooming and limiting the use of perfectly reasonable material such as the sculpture of David.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (XIJ/X)

10 The "Pieta" is my all time favorite.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (fH+Q7)

11 Now do Super Bowl halftime shows.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (DhOHl)

Slightly different issue. They aren't being used by schools without parental notification.

Although...they are using public broadcasting frequencies, so maybe you have a point!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:10 PM (XIJ/X)

12 The "Pieta" is my all time favorite.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (fH+Q7)

It is shockingly powerful.

And maybe the best argument on earth that God works through the hands of Man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:10 PM (XIJ/X)

13 The Left have no ability to make logical comparisons. They think The statue of David is no different than books with photos of naked groomers. They then attempt to lie to make that point. Psychopaths. All of them.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:11 PM (IhbYA)

14 Good morning, friends both old and new.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 26, 2023 12:12 PM (k+C2q)

15 We have been down this path before where the genitalia was chiseled off, and then a big project to match things up and reattach. Can you imagine that job?

Anyway, something tells me there is more to this story. I suppose there should have been some advanced warning at the start of the semester that art subjects may have some nudity involved as 11 and 12 year olds aren’t the most mature creatures when it comes to this stuff. 😂

Posted by: Piper at March 26, 2023 12:14 PM (ZdaMQ)

16 The typical 6th grader can find prurience on a box of oatmeal

True. The other day at Costco, they had Quaker oatmeal, but the pop-out handholds were "spade" shaped right over his head. Remove the cut-out, Quakerman became a dickhead...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

17 The other side of the swing is seeing everything as pornographic grooming and limiting the use of perfectly reasonable material such as the sculpture of David.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (XIJ/X)

I don't think that's what happened.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:14 PM (IhbYA)

18 >>> 9 So, we swing from Communism to the Constitution and those are both insanity?

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at March 26, 2023 12:05 PM (n5wIy)

No. That's not what I wrote.

Pornographic materials designed to groom children, and keeping the use of those materials from the parents is one side of the swing.

The other side of the swing is seeing everything as pornographic grooming and limiting the use of perfectly reasonable material such as the sculpture of David.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:08 PM (XIJ/X)

Of course the presstitutes are trying to say this is *just* like that Simpsons episode, when as you mentioned, their recent performance has made it reasonable to suspect they're not giving us the whole story.
https://is.gd/gx8w29
Odds the teacher is a danger-haired "non-binary" something-or-other?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2023 12:15 PM (llON8)

19 A pendulum with a blade on the bottom, and Lady Liberty strapped down ... every swing of the "Dem/Repub' pendulum, the blade gets close to slicing our Liberty. (the swing always brings more power to centralized power, the left right momentum is mostly illusion)

or a ratchet, yeah that too.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2023 12:15 PM (Cus5s)

20 "Rodin" did some good stuff!

I saw his "Despair" at the St. Louis Art Museum. First piece of art that I can say actually moved me.

https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/25391/

Posted by: olddog in mo at March 26, 2023 12:15 PM (ju2Fy)

21 Just occurred to me, taking down western civilization includes its art, the garbage the Leftists put out isn't worthy of classical art

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 12:16 PM (xhxe8)

22 Good. Fire All They Asses.

Then put the kids to work digging coal and other worthwhile endeavors instead of sitting around looking at some statue's junk.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 26, 2023 12:16 PM (R/m4+)

23 [Just don't mention Duchamp or you're gonna get savaged!]

Yeah, that guy's sculpture makes people all pissy.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 12:17 PM (nfrXX)

24 Then again, the nudity in Courbet's "L'Origine du monde" is...graphic.
Definitely NSFW.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

25 Not saying she did but you can take the sculpture of David and focus on his genitals in your classroom lecture. That would make it a different story. That said I believe she was not fired for David but because she has been insubordinate on multiple occasions if my reading between the lines is correct.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:19 PM (IhbYA)

26 I suppose there should have been some advanced warning at the start of the semester that art subjects may have some nudity involved as 11 and 12 year olds aren’t the most mature creatures when it comes to this stuff.

-
I'm just thankful that we've grown beyond the dick joke.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 26, 2023 12:19 PM (FVME7)

27 5 This is just another noose hanging in a garage.
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:06 PM (IhbYA)

Concur. The likelihood of a teacher being fired for merely showing a photograph of Michelangelo's David to students is approximately zero. For all I know, the teacher could have photoshopped a tranny flag and penises all over it. Given that the sources of this alleged story are MSN, The Washington Post, and CBS, I'm going to assume it's horse shit.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 26, 2023 12:19 PM (DTX3h)

28 23 [Just don't mention Duchamp or you're gonna get savaged!]

Yeah, that guy's sculpture makes people all pissy.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 12:17 PM (nfrXX)

Just looked him up...that fountain of his looks like a urinal...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:19 PM (ynpvh)

29 What was the urban tale that Ashcroft demanded lady justice be covered?

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:20 PM (IhbYA)

30 I have owned several paintings and other objects like dressing screens from the 18th and early 19th century where the cleavage of young women had been painted over and disguised during the Victorian era

luckily, it as done with oil paint and was somewhat easily removed

if you knew what the fuck you were doing

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 12:20 PM (us2H3)

31 I always felt that grade school art class was to give the kids and the teacher a little break during the day so they could focus better during math, science and reading.
I don't care if kids are exposed to Michelangelo's 'David' I'm just wondering why? Save it for a high school art appreciation class.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 26, 2023 12:21 PM (76Foq)

32 Ehh. It's no Frederick Remington.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 26, 2023 12:21 PM (FVME7)

33 Since 9:30 AM on Friday, I am dead-set against nudity of any kind in art. You alone have done this, intrepid host.

Posted by: Still Queasy at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (aFgj+)

34 20 "Rodin" did some good stuff!

I saw his "Despair" at the St. Louis Art Museum. First piece of art that I can say actually moved me.

https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/25391/

Posted by: olddog in mo at March 26, 2023 12:15 PM (ju2Fy)

Some ancient Roman pieces are quite good.
Most modern art does move me, just like a laxative does.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

35 I can see how that teacher might have known they were in trouble, and the came up with this "David" stunt so he coukd say "look what they fired me for!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (r46W7)

36 ... and this happened in *Florida*, did you guys not notice? So it totally proves a President DeSantis would overthrow Our Precious Democracy and replace it with the Handmaid's Tale and stuff.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (llON8)

37 25 Not saying she did but you can take the sculpture of David and focus on his genitals in your classroom lecture. That would make it a different story. That said I believe she was not fired for David but because she has been insubordinate on multiple occasions if my reading between the lines is correct.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:19 PM (IhbYA)

Principal forgot to say David was a tranny that wanted to do shows for the kids. Then it would've been totes okay.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

38 33 Since 9:30 AM on Friday, I am dead-set against nudity of any kind in art. You alone have done this, intrepid host.

Posted by: Still Queasy at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (aFgj+)

Someone commented it looked like tranny Keith Richards. I concur.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:24 PM (ynpvh)

39 Now, about those exposed mammary glands on the “Spirit of Justice” statue...

Posted by: Former AG John Ashcroft at March 26, 2023 12:25 PM (DhOHl)

40 Ben Had: I answered your toy soldier question on the other thread.

BTW, Skip and [I think] Wyatt Earp are historical wargamers too.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 12:27 PM (Vwz3I)

41 24 Then again, the nudity in Courbet's "L'Origine du monde" is...graphic.
Definitely NSFW.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)
Clean version...probably still NSFW...
https://is.gd/9sec81

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:27 PM (ynpvh)

42 @20: "First piece of art that I can say actually moved me."

Count me among the inspired. Clinched fist, but not too much so. Definitely revisiting the image from time to time. Thanks.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 26, 2023 12:29 PM (k+C2q)

43 With the current state of education I guarantee the Florida statue of David thing was some dangerhaired far leftist screaming about DESANTIS DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE THIS FANTASTIC ART BECAUSE HES AFRAID OF IT MAKING YOU GAY. DOES THE SIGHT OF A PENIS MAKE YOU GAY!?!?!?

Which of course is utterly unacceptable.

And the leftist media is doing what they always do. Lie about the particulars of the situation to try and rile people up against Republicans.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at March 26, 2023 12:30 PM (setIA)

44 Since 9:30 AM on Friday, I am dead-set against nudity of any kind in art. You alone have done this, intrepid host.

Posted by: Still Queasy at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (aFgj+)

She was fully clothed!

My work here is done.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:31 PM (XIJ/X)

45 "The Dying Gaul", Roman statue.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

46 I'm sitting at the table in my kitchen, staring at a large pair of tits from a Van Honthorst painting

the soldiers in the painting are also staring at her tits

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 12:31 PM (us2H3)

47 Some people just like to feel outraged

But I think, Mike Angelo's David could probably wait til HS art class

Posted by: DB - polishing the marble at March 26, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO8)

48 43 With the current state of education I guarantee the Florida statue of David thing was some dangerhaired far leftist screaming about DESANTIS DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE THIS FANTASTIC ART BECAUSE HES AFRAID OF IT MAKING YOU GAY. DOES THE SIGHT OF A PENIS MAKE YOU GAY!?!?!?

Which of course is utterly unacceptable.

And the leftist media is doing what they always do. Lie about the particulars of the situation to try and rile people up against Republicans.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at March 26, 2023 12:30 PM (setIA)

But seeing Tranny drag queens jiggling their dicks and fake tits is a-okay, right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

49 ...Van Honthorst painting...

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 12:31 PM (us2H3)

I'm not a big fan. He seems to paint people's heads in an exaggerated way that makes them odd looking.

He does have a way with cleavage though!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:35 PM (XIJ/X)

50 But I think, Mike Angelo's David could probably wait til HS art class

Posted by: DB - polishing the marble at March 26, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO

Fair enough.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:36 PM (XIJ/X)

51 I always thought it woulda been better if the David thingy was housed in the Uffizi

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 12:36 PM (us2H3)

52 50 But I think, Mike Angelo's David could probably wait til HS art class

Posted by: DB - polishing the marble at March 26, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO

Fair enough.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:36 PM (XIJ/X)

At what age do kids get sex ed? Most places, I think it's 6th grade. Perhaps requires parental permission to show art like "David" to 6th graders?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

53 the soldiers in the painting are also staring at her tits
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Soldiers never change.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 12:37 PM (Vwz3I)

54 @51: "David thingy was housed in the Uffizi"

Only if that's your favorite sculpture of his and you want full tourism and culture.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 26, 2023 12:38 PM (k+C2q)

55 I was at the Houston museum in the Impressionism room when a field trip of elementary students were being shown and explained the paintings ( actually there were multiple groups through the museum that day). .

Anyway the teacher was discussing a Matisse painting that was two paintings down from the Munch Female Nude (Anna) . Explaining that one would have been cause for firing.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:38 PM (IhbYA)

56 I think the David and Goliath link is broken.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 26, 2023 12:39 PM (NpAcC)

57 Where I grew up there was a Mennonite (Amish type sect) school that would have claimed the David statue as not suitable for kids. The rest of the community wouldn't give it a second thought about it. Their beliefs were accepted as part of their church. It was no big deal.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 26, 2023 12:40 PM (BdMk6)

58 Total Lawfare operation. BS.

Posted by: Thesokorus at March 26, 2023 12:41 PM (FSyrX)

59 the Munch Female Nude (Anna)

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:38 PM (IhbYA)

But that was clearly painted with an erotic component. Only a lunatic would see eroticism in "David."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:41 PM (XIJ/X)

60 This is just another noose hanging in a garage.
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:06 PM (IhbYA)

I wonder what the "other issues" this woman committed?

The report by CBS is meant to form public opinion, rather than inform: see, those rubes call Michelangelo's sculpture "David" pornographic, reeeeee!!!!" Yeah, bull$h!t.

There's more going on. My guess it that these kids got exposed to more ... diverse ... images of penii and vajayjay. Teacher chick thought she would be clever and use an acknowledged masterpiece of Renaissance art as a fig-leaf to conceal homosexual grooming.

Why resign otherwise? Take the firing and expose (heh) the rubes in court if that's all that happened.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2023 12:43 PM (pJWtt)

61 There’s more to her story than a statue. Andrew Gillum was Mayor of Tally before he ran for Governor. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: EveR at March 26, 2023 12:44 PM (MUpk6)

62 When I first read about this, I assumed the media were lying, which, of course, they are. I tried to figure out what happened by reading between the lines. The best I can come up with is that perhaps this person was told not to show the images of David, a position which I find stupid and juvenile, but they are the boss, and she apparently didn't listen.

It's fine to disagree in private, but when you've been given clear orders, and you choose to defy them, you should expect bad things will happen. Unless, of course, you assume you answer to no one.

I have no idea if this is correct, but it's similar to situations I've encountered recently, and it seems to fit. Stay tuned.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 26, 2023 12:44 PM (eOEVl)

63 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:41 PM (XIJ/X)

I was just snarking. That's a hideous painting.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:46 PM (IhbYA)

64 "The "Pieta" is my all time favorite."

I saw it at 64-65 NYC World's Fair. But I'm still only 29

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 12:47 PM (RqMSv)

65 Duchamp

Posted by: UnkleSteve at March 26, 2023 12:47 PM (t9mSz)

66 Is Jiminy Carter dead yet.

I could use some good news.

Posted by: Marooned at March 26, 2023 12:47 PM (kt8QE)

67 I can see how that teacher might have known they were in trouble, and the came up with this "David" stunt so he coukd say "look what they fired me for!"

Yup. See my @62. She knew she was going to be fired, so she decided to twist the narrative and defy here bosses so as to make herself saleable to other lefty schools.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 26, 2023 12:48 PM (eOEVl)

68 I'm not a big fan. He seems to paint people's heads in an exaggerated way that makes them odd looking.

He does have a way with cleavage though!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 12:35 PM (XIJ/X)

well placed in a decorative manner, his painting are exquisite

I just happened to have the perfect spot in my kitchen when I ran upon this example

found it at small sale, supposed to be some fallout from the Salander O'Reilly Galleries debacle in NYC

I have researched the painting have found sales dating back to the 70's

sold at Sothebys 30 years ago for 45K

very large, 6.5 ft X 5 ft, monogramed and dated

but still could be just a nice copy

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 12:49 PM (us2H3)

69 Which "Pieta" did you see, Ignominious?

Posted by: Marooned at March 26, 2023 12:49 PM (kt8QE)

70 66
'Is Jiminy Carter dead yet.'

The rabbits are circling.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 26, 2023 12:49 PM (roH4R)

71 Even if a charter school never know if it's some Leftists and pulling what is good for the goose is good is for the gander

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 12:51 PM (xhxe8)

72 'Is Jiminy Carter dead yet.'

we had him dead in 1980

Posted by: Gallup at March 26, 2023 12:51 PM (us2H3)

73 Teacher fired for showing Michelangelo’s David and selling drugs on campus, but mostly for selling drugs on campus.

*I have no idea what she was really fired for, but it’ll be something like that.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 12:51 PM (u73oe)

74 The Media is more guilty of omitting than lying.

This story seems likely to be an example of how it's done.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at March 26, 2023 12:52 PM (8AONa)

75 Yeah, I hope there is more to this story because this is going too far.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 26, 2023 12:53 PM (NpAcC)

76 I saw Michelangelo's Pieta statute.

It got shipped to NYC with crazy security. It was in its own bubble on the deck of a ship, in case the ship ran into an iceberg.

I was eight. It still made an impression.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 12:54 PM (RqMSv)

77 >At what age do kids get sex ed? Most places, I think it's 6th grade. ...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

I remember it in junior high

Posted by: DB - polishing the marble at March 26, 2023 12:54 PM (geLO8)

78 I may not be able to define pornography, but I know it when I see it.

Posted by: William Rhenquist at March 26, 2023 12:54 PM (Mzdiz)

79 Double take of olddog's SLAM link above.

I'll wait to see it in person for another look.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 26, 2023 12:54 PM (k+C2q)

80 When it was first displayed Michelangelo's David was placed in a public square where all ages could see it. It is in no way pornographic.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 12:55 PM (ZLI7S)

81 At what age do kids get sex ed? Most places, I think it's 6th grade. ...

I got it in fifth grade, back in the 90s.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 26, 2023 12:55 PM (wmDcS)

82 Also, according to last night’s ONT joke, David needs to eat some pancakes.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 12:55 PM (u73oe)

83 . and this happened in *Florida*, did you guys not notice? So it totally proves a President DeSantis would overthrow Our Precious Democracy and replace it with the Handmaid's Tale and stuff.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2023 12:22 PM (llON

we noticed

Posted by: runner at March 26, 2023 12:55 PM (V13WU)

84 Get woke, go broke.

Larry Fink now says that Blackrock will be neutral on ESG. Too late, Larry.

I expect that we'll be going into a recession and it won't be mild. A growing number of people already have retirement challenges. Larry will be pilloried, and many will move money to other index funds, which has taken steps to be more neutral in uncertain times, if they don't leave the market entirely.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 12:56 PM (RqMSv)

85 Then again, the nudity in Courbet's "L'Origine du monde" is...graphic.
Definitely NSFW.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 26, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

What's the difference between a portrait of David French and L'Origine du Monde?

One's a close-up of a pussy and the other's just art.

Posted by: Roll on snare. Curtains. at March 26, 2023 12:57 PM (elMkS)

86 Hedonism on one side; Puritanism on the other. It will always be thus.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)) at March 26, 2023 12:57 PM (l7Kbv)

87 Stack o' pancakes this AM did wonders for me!

Posted by: Enzyte Bob at March 26, 2023 12:57 PM (aFgj+)

88 82 Also, according to last night’s ONT joke, David needs to eat some pancakes.

Hey-oooo!

Posted by: Ed McMahon at March 26, 2023 12:58 PM (DhOHl)

89 Donatello's Mary Magdalene?

Uh, no.

I think if you are going for 'greatest sculpture of all time' you have to begin and end with Michelangelo. So, my three in no particular order:

Pieta
David (the only one I have not seen in person.)
Moses

Of the three, the David is the only one that does not still retain that shiny, polished, freshly carved look. I kind of have to give the nod to the Pieta. Although it is probably the worst as far as anatomy, the amount of detail is astounding (actually all three are insane, but the folds on Mary's clothes, damn.) Subject matter is also important.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 12:58 PM (kGtj5)

90 Thanks, I’ll be here all week. Tip the veal and try the waitresses.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 12:59 PM (u73oe)

91 I grew up in a traditional immigrant neighborhood in The Bronx, mostly Sicilians, and went to the local parochial school.

I knew there were gays -- fruity people like Paul Lynde in the Secret Square -- but I didn't know it had a sexual element until I was 13.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 12:59 PM (RqMSv)

92 Morning.
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Anyway the teacher was discussing a Matisse painting that was two paintings down from the Munch Female Nude (Anna) . Explaining that one would have been cause for firing.
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 12:38 PM (IhbYA)

Just a side note but searching "Munch Anna" isn't going to get the results one wants.

Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 12:59 PM (1Yy3c)

93 David is simultaneously flaccid and rock-hard.

Posted by: Shroedinger's Marble Wang at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (elMkS)

94 >>>At what age do kids get sex ed? Most places, I think it's 6th grade.

We girls got the menstruation video in 6th grade. That was it, back in the 60s.

I do recall the day I discovered what was involved in making babies, while reading Dr. LeMon Clark's "Love in Marriage." My dad's bookshelf had a wide variety of reading. I was 13.

Disgusting. I don't think I could look my parents in the eye for a few weeks.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (Mzdiz)

95 Noon.

Officially noon now.

Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (1Yy3c)

96 81 At what age do kids get sex ed? Most places, I think it's 6th grade. ...

I got it in fifth grade, back in the 90s.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 26, 2023 12:55 PM (wmDcS)

Mine was ... 7th? Middle school. The gals got their period film in 5th, I think. This was back in the 80s.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (kGtj5)

97 I never had a sex education class. I think it comes naturally. 😀

Of course there is a funny King of the Hill episode on sex education. Not a aos subject that has not been addressed on KotH.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (IhbYA)

98 If I was Jimmy I wouldn't be in a hurry for that date with the Devil either

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (xhxe8)

99 Donatello's Mary Magdalene?

yes, I am a huge fan of Donatello

his boyish David is fab

and the Baldachino, GTFO

Posted by: Gallup at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (us2H3)

100 If you see David's enormous hands, you realize that jacking off would be tricky.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (Mzdiz)

101 My son saw David live. He told me that it's huge, which I hadn't realized.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (RqMSv)

102 Get on the cart, Jimmy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (u73oe)

103 Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 12:59 PM (1Yy3c)

Heh

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 01:02 PM (IhbYA)

104 Dave coulda used a few panckaes

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 01:02 PM (us2H3)

105 When I was in high school we never got sex ed.
But the boys got marksmanship. I carried an unloaded Marlin .22 single shot bolt action rifle in a sling to school one day a week. I think it was Wednesdays. Ammo was provided in class, which was outdoors at a nearby abandoned quarry.
This was a public school.

Posted by: gourmand du jour sipping tea at March 26, 2023 01:02 PM (jTmQV)

106 I WAS IN THE POOL!!!

Posted by: David at March 26, 2023 01:02 PM (elMkS)

107 *simultaneously flaccid and rock-hard.*

Would like to hear what The Paolo has to say about this...

Posted by: Just Wondering at March 26, 2023 01:03 PM (DhOHl)

108 74 The Media is more guilty of omitting than lying.

This story seems likely to be an example of how it's done.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at March 26, 2023 12:52 PM (8AONa)

The Media primarily lies *via* omission. It's as natural to them as breathing.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 26, 2023 01:04 PM (DTX3h)

109 100 If you see David's enormous hands, you realize that jacking off would be tricky.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (Mzdiz)

Maybe David's a grower, not a shower?

The art historian argument I have always heard is that Michelangelo is trying to show that David is resolute, but also terrified of facing Goliath (hence showing true courage.)

In general, the art of the period did not go in for either massive wang or huge jugs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:05 PM (kGtj5)

110 He claimed that Carrasquilla knew that if she blamed the Michelangelo photo for her resignation, the "mainstream media" would "twist it" and wouldn't report the truth.

I don't doubt in the least little bit that the art teacher is a communist. They always are, and the latest few generations basically since the 70s are ardent believers that they are culture warriors and if the art they choose to highlight doesn't shock and appall at least a few moral souls, then it isn't art at all.

That's partially why there is a paucity of good contemporary art. It's all shock value all the time.

As to whether or not the statue of David is porn, if Confederate General statues are racist, then statues with a dude's junk are porn.

I happen to believe neither of those be true, but either history has value or it doesn't.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 26, 2023 01:05 PM (gBL2d)

111 I got a lot of sex education in school from reading a passed-around copy of Lady Chatterly's Lover. But never had formal "sex education". IMHO, sex ed. should NOT be in schools.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 26, 2023 01:05 PM (BdMk6)

112 The other side of the swing is seeing everything as pornographic grooming and limiting the use of perfectly reasonable material such as the sculpture of David.
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Reasonable, but do we trust the current crop of teachers not to be using it to get kids thinking about wangs?

It's putting a bandaid on the wrong part of the problem, but I get the kneejerk reaction.

Posted by: Methos at March 26, 2023 01:06 PM (kOpft)

113 I didn't receive anything you might rightly call sex education. The bubble I was in educationally/parentally/churchally was very weird and puritanical in about the most negatively stereotypical way you could imagine. So it was more like anti-education. Led to a lot of problems.

Posted by: Cover those piano legs, they're indecent! at March 26, 2023 01:06 PM (elMkS)

114 Double take of olddog's SLAM link above.

I'll wait to see it in person for another look.
Posted by: Walter Freeman
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You may want to check it's on display before you go. They rotate pieces so could be in storage.

Posted by: olddog in mo at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (ju2Fy)

115 Quote: "But "Michelangelo's David is not pornographic."

IIRC, whether something is "pornographic" in law is defined by community standards. Firing the teacher might be excessive but this was apparently not the only issue.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (iKFmR)

116 Too bad "Winged Victory" ain't all there.

Getting to walk around the statue made me understand the greatness of it.

Probably, my favorite statue seen by the delightful and adventurous Mrs naturalfake and myself in our run through France and Italy last summer.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (L1tQx)

117 Serendipity... a long thread about statues of David...

The Cultural Tutor @culturaltutor · Mar 14
Why did artists keep making statues of David, and why do they all look so different?

https://tinyurl.com/yhvhfemc

"Unrolled" here as a very good ordinary webpage instead of individual tweets:
https://tinyurl.com/rh7vvyj9

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (Vwz3I)

118 111 I got a lot of sex education in school from reading a passed-around copy of Lady Chatterly's Lover. But never had formal "sex education". IMHO, sex ed. should NOT be in schools.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 26, 2023 01:05 PM (BdMk6)

I think it is probably another seizure of a parent's duty by the government because parents wanted to avoid the responsibility.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (kGtj5)

119 First exposure to sex ed in school?

6th grade. Thanks Barb!

(She became a fine woman, wife and mother - just so you know)

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (qoGsy)

120 Massive Wang & Huge Jugs used to tour with the Sex Pistols back in the day.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (DhOHl)

121 IIRC, whether something is "pornographic" in law is defined by community standards. Firing the teacher might be excessive but this was apparently not the only issue.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (iKFmR)

Context matters. When, as a kid, you see North by Northwest and the train scene between Cary Grant and Eva St Marie, it seems pretty tame. As an adult, who has 'seen the elephant' the scene becomes steamy and suggestive.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:09 PM (kGtj5)

122 Mine was ... 7th? Middle school. The gals got their period film in 5th, I think. This was back in the 80s.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (kGtj5)

Our film was in 9th grade in the 70s. With the girls, which was awkward since all the rest of the phys-ed/health curriculum was segregated.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:10 PM (iKFmR)

123 Disgusting. I don't think I could look my parents in the eye for a few weeks.
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You did WHAT?!?!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 01:10 PM (Vwz3I)

124 David needed some pancakes!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 26, 2023 01:10 PM (u73oe)

125 "Context matters."

Lots will fly over kids heads, if you don't make it a Teachable Moment.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:11 PM (RqMSv)

126 The Media is more guilty of omitting than lying.

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Although they are switch hitters.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 26, 2023 01:11 PM (FVME7)

127 When I was in high school we never got sex ed.
But the boys got marksmanship. I carried an unloaded Marlin .22 single shot bolt action rifle in a sling to school one day a week. I think it was Wednesdays. Ammo was provided in class, which was outdoors at a nearby abandoned quarry.
This was a public school.
Posted by: gourmand du jour sipping tea at March 26, 2023 01:02 PM (jTmQV)

Same here. We stacked our rifles in the coat room, then went to the armory downtown at 3pm for firearms class and practice. This happened once a month during school from 5th to the 8th grade.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 26, 2023 01:11 PM (BdMk6)

128 I think it is probably another seizure of a parent's duty by the government because parents wanted to avoid the responsibility.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:07 PM (kGtj5)

This. Very much this.

I think when everything was still agrarian sex education was basically explaining what the bull was trying to do to the cows. "Now stop gawking and go feed the damn chickens."

Something like that.

Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 01:11 PM (1Yy3c)

129 Donatello's Mary Magdalene?

Uh, no.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 12:58 PM (kGtj5)

Take it up with me in an Art Thread.

Seriously...I think it would be a great discussion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 01:11 PM (XIJ/X)

130 es, I am a huge fan of Donatello

his boyish David is fab

and the Baldachino, GTFO
Posted by: Gallup at March 26, 2023 01:01 PM (us2H3)

St Peter's Baldachin is Bernini. It's... interesting.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:12 PM (kGtj5)

131 Now you get your grooming education before 3rd grade, and your decision what sex you want to be as soon as your in Public Marxist Seminary

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 01:12 PM (xhxe8)

132 I grew up in a traditional immigrant neighborhood in The Bronx, mostly Sicilians, and went to the local parochial school.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 12:59 PM (RqMSv)

Which neighborhood...and about what time frame (if you don't mind...)?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 01:13 PM (XIJ/X)

133 Take it up with me in an Art Thread.

Seriously...I think it would be a great discussion.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 01:11 PM (XIJ/X)

Will do. If I am awake for it and not flipped to 2nd shift.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:14 PM (kGtj5)

134 6th graders?

Man, I could be totally wrong, but I think that by age 12, all kids are at least aware of the idea that boys have "wieners" and girls don't.

And a great work of art like "David" is probably the most innocuous way that girls could see a "wiener" for the first time.

I suppose parents should be forewarned that nekkid David might appear in a survey of great art. But, with 6th graders, I can honestly say that probably wouldn't occur to me.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 26, 2023 01:15 PM (L1tQx)

135 >>>Maybe David's a grower, not a shower?

Ah, the miracle of the telescoping penis!

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 26, 2023 01:15 PM (Mzdiz)

136 122 Mine was ... 7th? Middle school. The gals got their period film in 5th, I think. This was back in the 80s.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:00 PM (kGtj5)

Our film was in 9th grade in the 70s. With the girls, which was awkward since all the rest of the phys-ed/health curriculum was segregated.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:10 PM (iKFmR)

Side note: notice how the ages of people reporting sex ed keeps sliding backward as they get younger?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:15 PM (kGtj5)

137 I grew up in a traditional immigrant neighborhood in The Bronx, mostly Sicilians, and went to the local parochial school.

May your first child be a masculine child...

Posted by: It was Barzini all along at March 26, 2023 01:15 PM (elMkS)

138 Ah, the miracle of the telescoping penis!
Posted by: Miley

"Stand back Babe! I don't know how big it gets!!"

-- Just the punchline

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:16 PM (qoGsy)

139 Context matters. When, as a kid, you see North by Northwest and the train scene between Cary Grant and Eva St Marie, it seems pretty tame. As an adult, who has 'seen the elephant' the scene becomes steamy and suggestive.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:09 PM (kGtj5)

So the Amish would probably object.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:16 PM (iKFmR)

140 Hope Carrasquilla of Tallahassee Classical School in Leon County is no longer employed by the school. She was given a choice by the school board – resign or be fired. She chose to resign. Why? Well, that is the question. Was it because sixth-graders were shown a picture of Michelangelo’s David sculpture in their Renaissance art history class?
_______________

She should've claimed that David was on his way into the bathhouse to engage in homosexual sex. The school board would have given her a standing ovation and a promotion.

I have to wonder (adjusts tin foil hat) whether the school board was actually lefty, and was seeking to generate a cause celebre to embarrass DeSantis about the "don't say gay" legislation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 26, 2023 01:16 PM (5G/3e)

141 118 111 I got a lot of sex education in school from reading a passed-around copy of Lady Chatterly's Lover. But never had formal "sex education". IMHO, sex ed. should NOT be in schools.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 26, 2023 01:05 PM (BdMk6)

I used to sneak read Payton Place when the folks were gone. It was in the bookcase.

Posted by: Javems at March 26, 2023 01:17 PM (AmoqO)

142 I was laughing so hard at his tiny dick I didn’t even see the rock flying at my face.

Posted by: Goliath at March 26, 2023 01:17 PM (u73oe)

143 So the Amish would probably object.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know

Probably not. Those bonnets come off eventually you know.

Or so I've been told.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:17 PM (qoGsy)

144 On Michelangelo, how many 'masterpieces' would you say he had?

He carved The Pieta at 18. And he still had at least 5 or six more to go. Including the Sistine Ceiling.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (kGtj5)

145 A superficial search on Hope Carrasquilla leads me to her linked in page.

Assuming there is a shadow of truth there, modern fascists propensity to use false flags... occam's razor says a cabal of groomers and their mouthpieces made the complaints and eagerly accepted the complaints.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (iMwKm)

146 The Scopes Monkey trial was a ginned-up controversy, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (tkR6S)

147 Donatello was my favorite mutant ninja turtle!

Posted by: My teenage self at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (DhOHl)

148 Probably not. Those bonnets come off eventually you know.

Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:17 PM (qoGsy)

They get all those kids somehow.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:19 PM (kGtj5)

149 I don't doubt in the least little bit that the art teacher is a communist. They always are, and the latest few generations basically since the 70s are ardent believers that they are culture warriors and if the art they choose to highlight doesn't shock and appall at least a few moral souls, then it isn't art at all.

That's partially why there is a paucity of good contemporary art. It's all shock value all the time.

...
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 26, 2023 01:05 PM (gBL2d)

To deny beauty is to deny God.

There are four transcendental natures of God: absolute truth, absolute reason, absolute beauty, and absolute good (or justice). We humans seem to have an innate sense of those concepts. Whether we choose to turn away from them is a different issue.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2023 01:19 PM (pJWtt)

150 Side note: notice how the ages of people reporting sex ed keeps sliding backward as they get younger?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:15 PM (kGtj5)

We also had sex ed in 7th and 8th but the film was reefer madness (or something similar). Not much sex. My mother gave me a book to read about it when I was five ... some progressive classic for kids. I had very weird dreams about the girls in my 5th and 6th grade classes.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:19 PM (iKFmR)

151 146 The Scopes Monkey trial was a ginned-up controversy, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (tkR6S)

True. And deceptively named. Not a single monkey was named in that proceeding or called as a witness.

Posted by: Monkey trial my ass at March 26, 2023 01:20 PM (elMkS)

152 Or so I've been told.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:17 PM (qoGsy)

I thought the Amish objected to TV.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:20 PM (iKFmR)

153 Donatello was my favorite mutant ninja turtle!
Posted by: My teenage self

I was this many years old when I discovered Michelangelo was a painter and sculptor!

-- so many folks that it's not even funny

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:21 PM (qoGsy)

154 I grew up in St Benedicts parish, on the far side near Westchester Square. Grammar school forme was late 60s/ early 70s. A huge parish that stretched into Throggs Neck. Many Sicilians who had moved out of East Harlem.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (RqMSv)

155 The media's greatest power is the power to ignore.

Posted by: Chris Plante sez at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (DhOHl)

156 Side note: notice how the ages of people reporting sex ed keeps sliding backward as they get younger?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:15 PM (kGtj5)

I don't recall any formal sex education in school. We had Health and PE but I don't remember any crotch shots in the book.

Posted by: Javems at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (AmoqO)

157 The Scopes Monkey trial was a ginned-up controversy, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (tkR6S)

Wait! You mean instead of Scope, the monkeys were actually drinking gin!

Well, that's just wrong all the way around.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (L1tQx)

158 To deny beauty is to deny God.

There are four transcendental natures of God: absolute truth, absolute reason, absolute beauty, and absolute good (or justice). We humans seem to have an innate sense of those concepts. Whether we choose to turn away from them is a different issue.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2023 01:19 PM (pJWtt)

Well said.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (kGtj5)

159 116 Too bad "Winged Victory" ain't all there.

I heard the rest in somewhere in Thrace

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 01:23 PM (us2H3)

160 Only the punchline

.....No a promise is a promise

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 01:23 PM (IhbYA)

161 Yo David, what’s with the tiny di

Posted by: Goliath at March 26, 2023 01:23 PM (u73oe)

162 OT: seeing the FBI/CHS infiltration of the PB/fednapping, etc...how many of the GOPe leadership is working for them in order to deny us wins?

Is Failure Theater an FBI op?

Somewhat serious question.

Posted by: Tin foil hat at March 26, 2023 01:23 PM (dnjPu)

163 I thought the Amish objected to TV.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know

Ha! It's complicated. I ran in some Amish and Mennonite circles at different times in my life. When I was widowed, I hired an wonderful Amish woman to help me keep house. She'd sit and watch the TV religiously when waiting for the clothes to finish drying. Depending on their Bishop (who's word is law btw) their rules are all over the place.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:24 PM (qoGsy)

164 I don't recall any formal sex education in school. We had Health and PE but I don't remember any crotch shots in the book.
Posted by: Javems at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (AmoqO)

We did not have any female crotch shots. Just impersonal cut away drawings. Also, an uncomfortable film of a teen finding a lump on his testicle while taking a shower and having to get one removed.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:24 PM (kGtj5)

165 Depending on their Bishop (who's word is law btw) their rules are all over the place.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:24 PM (qoGsy)

That was the point of my original comment. Pornography is a *local* standard in law.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at March 26, 2023 01:25 PM (iKFmR)

166 I remember our sex education class pretty clearly cuz we had just moved to Corpus Christie.

The girls had it about six months before us in 5th grade.

And the boys had it in 6th grade.

The girls were told to keep it a secret from us boys and were very smug and irritating about their 'secret' advanced knowledge.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 26, 2023 01:25 PM (L1tQx)

167 Winged Victory?

*Sobs*

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 26, 2023 01:26 PM (u73oe)

168 Sex-ed in school is impossible miss as long as there is basic biology class.
Progtard groomers are trying to counter that basic science and create toys for future abuse.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 01:26 PM (iMwKm)

169 "May your first child be a masculine child..."

The Offer is a hilarious ten episode series about the making of The Godfather. The Mob's trying to stop production, and then embracing it is a big plot point.

They needed a huge thug to play Luca Brazzi and wound up using a mob muscle guy who couldn't remember his lines, so they worked that into a script.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:26 PM (RqMSv)

170 Also, an uncomfortable film of a teen finding a lump on his testicle while taking a shower and having to get one removed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

He went on to a career in WWE. Raoul the One Balled Mauller was his nic I believe.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:26 PM (qoGsy)

171 The first two generations of Pilgrims were very lol about sex. Pretty much the opposite of the stereotype. I think it was something like 10 kids a family. Not in a pervy way. Just in a we're here to populate the earth way.

Then they embraced Usury...

Posted by: Thesokorus at March 26, 2023 01:27 PM (FSyrX)

172 I grew up in St Benedicts parish, on the far side near Westchester Square.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:22 PM (RqMSv)

When I was born my parents lived in Parkchester...just a bit west of you. My dad worked just north of you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 01:29 PM (XIJ/X)

173 Probably not. Those bonnets come off eventually you know.

Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 01:17 PM (qoGsy)

They get all those kids somehow.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 26, 2023 01:19 PM (kGtj5)

Going through my school yearbooks one time after about 20 years passed graduation, I realized that many of those seemingly plain Mennonite girls were drop-dead gorgeous.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at March 26, 2023 01:30 PM (BdMk6)

174 The Scopes Monkey trial was a ginned-up controversy, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (tkR6S)
______________

Now do Rosa Parks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 26, 2023 01:30 PM (5G/3e)

175 Then they embraced Usury...
Posted by: Thesokorus at March 26, 2023 01:27 PM (FSyrX)

A topic of great interest I'm sure

Posted by: There's no "I" in usury! at March 26, 2023 01:31 PM (elMkS)

176 >>When I was born my parents lived in Parkchester...just a bit west of you. My dad worked just north of you.

Funny how so many of us came from the same general area.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 01:32 PM (ZLI7S)

177 Anyone watching The Chosen series? It’s quite enjoyable.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 01:32 PM (u73oe)

178 Assuming there is a shadow of truth there, modern fascists propensity to use false flags... occam's razor says a cabal of groomers and their mouthpieces made the complaints and eagerly accepted the complaints.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 01:18 PM (iMwKm)

DING DING DING!!!!!!

Scumbag activists are scumbags first and human beings last.

Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 01:32 PM (1Yy3c)

179 wing victory arms are some where in thrace

Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 01:33 PM (us2H3)

180 About books and wokeness, Agatha Christie is getting edited to spare modern readers feelzzz. Seems digital editions can be altered.

Posted by: CN at March 26, 2023 01:33 PM (Zzbjj)

181 Funny how so many of us came from the same general area.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 01:32 PM (ZLI7S)

Yes, but only the smart ones became Yankees fans.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 01:33 PM (XIJ/X)

182 wing victory arms are some where in thrace
Posted by: REDACTED at March 26, 2023 01:33 PM (us2H3)

one of them is mine !

-- Michelle Fields

Posted by: runner at March 26, 2023 01:34 PM (V13WU)

183 I must say, if they ever find her head, it will be a huge find !

Posted by: runner at March 26, 2023 01:35 PM (V13WU)

184 About books and wokeness, Agatha Christie is getting edited to spare modern readers feelzzz. Seems digital editions can be altered.
Posted by: CN at March 26, 2023 01:33 PM (Zzbjj)

FUUUU.....

Posted by: runner at March 26, 2023 01:36 PM (V13WU)

185 Tallahassee Classical School opened three years ago and is a Hillsdale College curriculum school.

Their mission: To train the minds and improve the hearts of young people through a content-rich classical education in the liberal arts and sciences, with instruction in the principles of moral character and civic virtue.

https://tlhclassical.org/about-us/

Posted by: olddog in mo at March 26, 2023 01:36 PM (ju2Fy)

186 Seems digital editions can be altered.
Posted by: CN at March 26, 2023 01:33 PM (Zzbjj)

Embrace physical media. Build libraries filled with Wrong Think. Preserve all the dangerous ideas.

Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 01:36 PM (1Yy3c)

187 IDK but I suspect DIE is more flexible & uneven than what we're routinely fed. In that, according to state; type of school; based on the strength of teachers' unions; usually based on local demographics & the degree in which grades lapsed in the 'regular student population' allegedly due to 'learning at home' during C19, and lastly the in-flow of immigrants (again, demographics).

County school districts can often be separated by overall family income, employment of parents, etc. The kids attending the "better" schools where they lean to exceeding reading & math comprehension requirements, have a number of AP courses & a good % of attendees in those courses seems to get DIE lite. However, if the parents fall out of agreement with the school administration & bias can't be easily used by the district, the appropriate/inappropriate library book/sex ed battle creeps in.

The schools where the kids are beating each other & staffs senseless & without fear of being ejected; reading and math comprehension scores are well below average; few few AP courses and a low % of kids that qualify, DEI seems to be a bigger part of classroom "education."

Aloha

Posted by: Lola - Free Jacob Chansley at March 26, 2023 01:36 PM (GshMh)

188 And this ties into this nice piece by Chris Bray "The Loathing of Fertility is the Longing for Death"

https://tinyurl.com/65c9bba5

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 26, 2023 01:38 PM (6lj/r)

189 And now,
Linkedin for Barney Bishop.
Assuming it's this Barney he is a real winner.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 01:38 PM (iMwKm)

190 A topic of great interest I'm sure
Posted by: There's no "I" in usury! at March 26, 2023 01:31 PM (elMkS)

To me and no one else but I suffer from spastic crankery. *shrug*

Posted by: Thesokorus at March 26, 2023 01:38 PM (FSyrX)

191 God in heaven I am such a crank about usury I can't even see jokes about it. Oh well. Onward!

Posted by: Thesokorus at March 26, 2023 01:40 PM (FSyrX)

192 David and his genitalia...

*********

Said Claire to her gentleman caller
"I thought somehow you would be taller
And as for your winky
It's the size of my pinky
It's just like a penis...only smaller!"

Posted by: Muldoon at March 26, 2023 01:42 PM (ykeLU)

193 >>Yes, but only the smart ones became Yankees fans.

You might have missed it but the Mets now have a real owner with a checkbook that would have made George weep.

Scherzer and Verlander, I'll send you a postcard from the playoffs.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

194 I have found the arms of the Nike of Samothrace

Posted by: Salvator Mundi at March 26, 2023 01:43 PM (us2H3)

195 Well done, Muldoon!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 01:45 PM (u73oe)

196 I am getting the impression that Democrat Barney Bishop both hired and fired Carrasquilla as an op to sabotage the Hillsdale-affiliated school.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2023 01:45 PM (tkR6S)

197 Now do Georgia OKeefe.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 01:51 PM (iMwKm)

198 In no way is David the least bit pornographic It's a beautiful piece of art--a great example of Western Art, which might be part of the problem as far as the Commies are concerned.
Also, I'm a cynic and most of the 12 year olds in that art class have already seen a penis on their computer screen

Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2023 01:51 PM (mR6Gs)

199 Embrace physical media. Build libraries filled with Wrong Think. Preserve all the dangerous ideas.
Posted by: Robert sez Heavy Metal is the Law! at March 26, 2023 01:36 PM (1Yy3c)

I do. I expected this bullshit.

Posted by: CN at March 26, 2023 01:51 PM (Zzbjj)

200 Tallahassee Classical School opened three years ago and is a Hillsdale College curriculum school.

Which means it probably wasn't liberal woke activists sending their children to a Hillsdale school and creating false flags.

My daughter has attended private Christian schools all of her life. Some of her classmates have parents that find Harry Potter books to be evil. There are people out there that hold very stringent views on things, so I don't doubt that some parents may have legit complained.

Still, I don't doubt that this was not the first time the teacher bucked the system, especially given that she was a female art teacher, the unholy triumvirate of wokism (female, artsy, and teacher).

I'm sure she was asked not to display the picture, decided she knew better, and did it anyway. Perhaps that is even the noble stance. But you don't get to tell your employer F U and then expect to avoid the fallout.

I've told many an employer where they can go and what they can do with themselves when they get there, but I did so understanding my employment would be short-lived henceforth.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 26, 2023 01:51 PM (gBL2d)

201 Parkchester in The Bronx and then Stuyvestant Town near the Lower East Side were built by MetLife as model developments for the time. MetLife also built Riverton Houses for the blacks in Harlem with the same idea.

Rents were slightly below market and it was hard to get in. Lots of cops and their families lived in these places. In the beginning, MetLife was ruthless in throwing out families who created trouble.

Robert Moses saw this and thought that government could do this better and in scale, so he had five story walk ups torn down so he could put up projects. Copied across the land.

Moses failed to see a key element in MetLife's success.

I believe this true but I need to nail it down with some resarch.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:52 PM (RqMSv)

202 Scherzer and Verlander, I'll send you a postcard from the playoffs.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

That was supposed to happen last year

Also, opening up a checkbook does not equal automatic pennant. I say that as a longtime Yankees fan.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2023 01:53 PM (mR6Gs)

203 Also, I'm a cynic and most of the 12 year olds in that art class have already seen a penis on their computer screen
Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2023 01:51 PM (mR6Gs)

This type of stuff is just a ruse to cry about pedos being censored. I doubt they'd go crazy over censoring anti-lib literature. Now they're pretending that anything referencing civil rights is being censored. Pretending, as if it was being censored, it's the libs pulling it to gaslight us.

There's a lot of this happening.

Posted by: CN at March 26, 2023 01:54 PM (Zzbjj)

204 To deny beauty is to deny God.

There are four transcendental natures of God: absolute truth, absolute reason, absolute beauty, and absolute good (or justice). We humans seem to have an innate sense of those concepts. Whether we choose to turn away from them is a different issue.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2023 01:19 PM (pJWtt)

---

Interestingly enough, we were discussing the 1963 Congressional record where they documented the communist plan to conquer the U.S. from within.

cultureshield.com/PDF/45_Goals.pdf

So at a glance this is covered by numbers 22, 23, and 27.

(FWIW, pretty much all the rest appear to have been achieved, too. Don't read it if you don't want to be overwhelmed. The one about the Panama Canal is always interesting to see.)

Posted by: Daddy, why do muffin pans have 12 spaces instead of five? at March 26, 2023 01:55 PM (5lbKt)

205 Show me a high school art teacher that isn't woke, and I'll show you a man that wants to be a football coach but has to teach a class in order to do it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at March 26, 2023 01:55 PM (gBL2d)

206 Robert Moses saw this and thought that government could do this better and in scale, so he had five story walk ups torn down so he could put up projects. Copied across the land.

And that, children, is how the cities, large and small, from coast to coast were rendered largely uninhabitable

Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2023 01:55 PM (mR6Gs)

207 >>Also, opening up a checkbook does not equal automatic pennant. I say that as a longtime Yankees fan.

Seems to have worked pretty well for you Yankee fans for the last 30 years. Or did you think all those players signed in the Bronx because they like the uniforms?

New sheriff in town and he wears orange and blue not pinstripes.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)

208 Anyone watching The Chosen series? It’s quite enjoyable.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 01:32 PM (u73oe)

That's Jonathan Roumie. He steals every scene he is in with the movie Jesus Revolution, too. He has been given a gift to portray Jesus Christ, and convey His message of redemption and salvation to life within a format suited to the post-modern pagan age.

I saw him speak at the National Men's Conference at Cincinnati yesterday. This was Catholic-oriented day-long religious retreat.

He had been at a low-point in his acting career with $20 in his pocket. He prayed and stated that he told God that he was giving-over control to God, and His will be done. A couple weeks later he got called to portray Jesus Christ in a "little" mini-series expected to last four weeks.

Roumie seems like a good guy. He stated that it is extremely humbling to portray Jesus because when he encounters people, they tell him how The Chosen has brought them back to Church, gave them strength at a low point in their life, etc. He ended his talk by saying that the world is being influenced by dark forces and he attempting to do what he can to fight it.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2023 01:56 PM (pJWtt)

209 "And maybe the best argument on earth that God works through the hands of Man."~ CBD

Here's what my God says about it.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under earth
Exodus 20

I'm not saying that sinful actions should be banned, just saying that breaking one of the commandments might be seen as sin instead of the act of a Righteous God.

Posted by: Speller at March 26, 2023 01:56 PM (pSotA)

210 What would these scolds have done when half the population lived on farms or in rural communities where they had early lessons in the facts of animal life?

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at March 26, 2023 01:58 PM (Fh1sJ)

211 Now do Georgia OKeefe.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

Necrophilia is an acquired... nope can't type it..

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 01:58 PM (S4nmY)

212 A big checkbook doesn't assure MLB success. It does let you buy your way out of mistakes that smaller market teams have to live with.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:58 PM (RqMSv)

213 "The "Pieta" is my all time favorite."

I saw it at 64-65 NYC World's Fair. But I'm still only 29
Posted by: Ignoramus

Me too ! (I'm 2

Posted by: JT at March 26, 2023 01:59 PM (T4tVD)

214 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper · 5h
BREAKING: Authorities in Pine Mountain, Georgia have reported that a tiger has escaped the Wild Animal Safari and that locals should remain inside. 🐅

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 01:59 PM (Vwz3I)

215 Anyone watching The Chosen series? It’s quite enjoyable.

--

"Stream all episodes free"

watch.angelstudios.com/

Good for them. That's the way to do it.

Posted by: Daddy, why do muffin pans have 12 spaces instead of five? at March 26, 2023 01:59 PM (5lbKt)

216 FWP NOOD!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 02:01 PM (S4nmY)

217 >>BREAKING: Authorities in Pine Mountain, Georgia have reported that a tiger has escaped the Wild Animal Safari and that locals should remain inside

Please tell me this is near the antifa campground.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 26, 2023 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

218 Here's what my God says about it.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under earth
Exodus 20

I'm not saying that sinful actions should be banned, just saying that breaking one of the commandments might be seen as sin instead of the act of a Righteous God.
Posted by: Speller

--

I'm genuinely interested at how you can boot up a computer, start an internet browsers to reach the HQ, click the link, and scroll down to type this.

Posted by: Daddy, why do muffin pans have 12 spaces instead of five? at March 26, 2023 02:01 PM (5lbKt)

219 The Chosen is remarkable. In so many ways!

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at March 26, 2023 02:01 PM (DhOHl)

220 I now live in the South Bronx by choice. I'm in the extreme SW corner, which is seeing major residential construction.

Projects are to the North and East, and according to the FBI, make Mott Haven the most dangerous neighborhood in NYC. But I don't go to the projects, and they don't come to me.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 02:02 PM (RqMSv)

221 A big checkbook just increases the downside risk. Catastrophy is that much closer.

Posted by: Thesokorus at March 26, 2023 02:02 PM (FSyrX)

222 "And maybe the best argument on earth that God works through the hands of Man."~ CBD

Here's what my God says about it.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under earth
Exodus 20

I'm not saying that sinful actions should be banned, just saying that breaking one of the commandments might be seen as sin instead of the act of a Righteous God.
Posted by: Speller at March 26, 2023 01:56 PM (pSotA)

That is frankly, a stupid take, new one-name commentor. That commandment is forbidding worshiping false gods, not forbidding statues of naturalistic subjects. The pagan gods were portrayed with the juxtaposition of human and animal characteristics. Of course, St. Anthony of the Desert tells us that the pagan gods are actually demons (i.e., the fallen angels).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 26, 2023 02:06 PM (pJWtt)

223 A big checkbook doesn't assure MLB success. It does let you buy your way out of mistakes that smaller market teams have to live with.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 26, 2023 01:58 PM (RqMSv)

Exactly, and that's what the Mets will be doing soon.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2023 02:08 PM (mR6Gs)

224 In no way is David the least bit pornographic It's a beautiful piece of art--a great example of Western Art, which might be part of the problem as far as the Commies are concerned.
Also, I'm a cynic and most of the 12 year olds in that art class have already seen a penis on their computer screen
Posted by: JoeF. at March 26, 2023 01:51 PM (mR6Gs)
____________

Now where would boys see a penis?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 26, 2023 02:11 PM (5G/3e)

225 Sex crimes against children are at historic lows.

Posted by: Paul at March 26, 2023 02:11 PM (I3qij)

226 "That commandment is forbidding worshiping false gods, not forbidding statues of naturalistic subjects."

It's forbidding both, and not necessarily in combination with each other.
The love of money is the root of all evil, but God doesn't forbid people making images of money, just images of the living things that God created.

Oh, and I've been commenting here since 2006 under the same name. It's just that I haven't been commenting much for the last few years. Illness.

Posted by: Speller at March 26, 2023 02:14 PM (pSotA)

227 As a true Renaissance man, Michelangelo understood and embraced the aesthetics of manscaping in a topsy-turvy world.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 26, 2023 02:18 PM (Jg7EG)

228 Interesting that Trump chose Waco Tx.
The Branch Davidian sex/religious cult of course ess headquartered there.
10 of the 17 children that died there were gathered by Koresh. He took brides as young as 11. The more relgions try to control or repress sex the greater the likelihood of abnormal sex becomes.

Posted by: Paul at March 26, 2023 02:19 PM (I3qij)

229 Paul, you ignorant slut.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 02:25 PM (u73oe)

230 225. Really...whose children? Evidence, please.

Posted by: Lola - free Jacob Chansley at March 26, 2023 02:27 PM (GshMh)

231 217. No, north going towards Tennessee.

Posted by: Lola - free Jacob Chansley at March 26, 2023 02:29 PM (GshMh)

232 Bernini’s “The Abduction of Proserpina” is in the running for greatest sculpture ever. If it doesn’t win the title, it’s easily in the top five.

Posted by: Cybernetic at March 26, 2023 02:46 PM (xawZJ)

233 Koresh could've been taken and handled quietly and peacefully without the feds killing the kids for their spectacle in pursuit of more funding, which is what Waco is now famous for.

Posted by: Daddy, why do muffin pans have 12 spaces instead of five? at March 26, 2023 02:52 PM (5lbKt)

234 "The word graven means "carved" or "sculpted." Graven image refers to some kind of object or image that has been made to represent a god."

Golden calf is usually referenced as an example, but it could be anything, including a human. Although I'd guess the calf was a molten image, not carved?

Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2023 03:04 PM (Cus5s)

235 The actual Hebrew word used in Exodus 20 is פֶ֣֙סֶל֙ ,
"carved".

Posted by: Speller at March 26, 2023 03:29 PM (pSotA)

236 Anyone know what's been going on over at Legal Insurrection lately? Dropped in last night and it smelled a little Stasi, like
seeing an old friend after 20 years and discovering he's gone off the rails

What does this mean:

"we ban for going down the rabbit hole"

Its a legal blog, run by Prof Jacobson. I thought a basic legal principle was that the law should plain language not obscure metaphors. 5 years for tilting at windmills, probation revoked for counting coup? WTH? Sounds like a backdoor to censor speech you don't.

I really disappointed in these Right wing sites that don't live up to their principles - Powerline, Instapundit, and now Legal Insurrection. What's the point if they're no better than the Leftists. Maybe it is time to let it all burn. regardless of Trump.

I think the management is pushing Jeb Bush and censoring posts critical of him, using dishonest headlines to strawman Trump. You want a preview of how easy its for a good site to destroy its rep, take a look at LI.

Posted by: Fen at March 26, 2023 06:38 PM (+LcMo)

237 weird, my phone keeps dropping like every 12th word. Probably need to virus check it. Sorry about that.

Posted by: Fen at March 26, 2023 06:39 PM (+LcMo)

238 Hey Paul, you should that the Army's NBC Officer ( nuclear bio chem) advised your government that the children's lungs could not handle an adult dose of CS and would suffocate to death. Your government went ahead and gassed the children anyway.

Something to have some shame about once you're finished bashing religion.

Ya know, I read the some of the people in that cult. Surprising how normal most of them were. They were just lost, like some of us here, myself included. Yah I'm a little uncomfortable defending them, but it's how they've been demonized, like they deserved what happened or something.

It rings true once you remember you're a "deplorable" in the eyes of those that cheered the slaughter.

Posted by: Fen at March 26, 2023 06:50 PM (+LcMo)

239 Back when everybody lived on the farm, which was not that long ago, there was no need for sex education. Back in the day, it was not a rare sight to see dogs going at it. Today it's all ovr movies and the internet. Our kids and grandkids are getting sex education way before 6th grade. If you'rea parent or grandparent, face the reality there.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 26, 2023 06:58 PM (D2E0C)

240 I think Strazza's "Veiled Virgin" is a contender for best sculpture.

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