The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."<br>Reagan's Rules Were Nearly the Complete Opposite of What They're Pushing.

The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."
Reagan's Rules Were Nearly the Complete Opposite of What They're Pushing.

Byron York: DeSantis' critics say he's out of "the mainstream" on Ukraine. They're wrong. He's mainstream, they're not.

What to make of DeSantis's answers? Has he taken Putin's side against America? Has he moved to the extremes, the crazy fringes, of the Ukraine debate? No, he hasn't. There is a range of opinion on what the U.S. should do in the Ukraine matter, and DeSantis occupies an entirely legitimate position, no matter what his more excitable critics might say.

Lindsey Graham just claimed that Ronald Reagan would begin shooting down Russian planes right now.

He would? Does Lindsey Graham realize that Regan faced the actual Soviet Union, in full expansionist empire/funding terrorism mode, and had ample opportunity to "start shooting down Russian jets" over his eight year presidency? Does Graham think that Reagan wanted to give the order to begin World War Three, but kept missing his opportunities?

It is imperative to remember that Ronald Reagan actually used US forces very little. He mounted a very small expedition to Grenada, a casualty-free intervention. He agreed to insert US Marines into Lebanon as peacekeepers -- and then deeply regretted the decision, when terrorists blew up their base.

Through the CIA, he funded anti-Soviet mujahadeen fighters. He did not send US jets to "shoot down Russian planes" or helicopters in Afghanistan.

And he fired a cruise missile at Qadaffi.

Here are Reagan's actual rules for sending US troops into harm's way.

If Reagan was the man who sent the Marines to Lebanon, he was also now to be the man who decided he would be the man to remove them. To get out. He knew that this was a bad situation. Doing this would send a signal of weakness to some (and indeed, years later Osama Bin Laden said just that.) But Reagan had no intention of committing Americans to a full-scale war in the Middle East. And the MFN peacekeeping operation with the British, French and Italians had failed abysmally. So....he pulled out the troops. And home they came.
Which prompted Reagan to eventually write out a set of four principles. Four principles, he would write in his memoirs, that were specifically designed "to guide America in the application of military force abroad, and I would recommend it to future presidents."
Here they are:
Reagan Rule 1: The United States should not commit its forces to military actions overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest.
Reagan Rule 2: If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.
Reagan Rule 3: Before we commit our troops to combat, there must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for and the actions we take will have the support of the American people and Congress. (We felt that the Vietnam War had turned into such a tragedy because military action had been undertaken without sufficient assurances that the American people were behind it.)
Reagan Rule 4: Even after all these other tests are met, our troops should be committed to combat only as a last resort, when no other choice is available.

Does this sound like the rules being pushed by Lindsey Graham, David Frum, Bill Kristol and all the rest of the neocons?

No, of course not. Because what they are contending for is not a continuation of Regan's use-of-force policies, but the Bush family's promiscuous rules for using force. Use it early, use it often, and use it incompetently.

Remember, Bill Kristol was part of Bush the Elder's administration -- at least, he was an advisor to VP Dan Quayle, and got himself mentioned in a lot of "news" articles as "Quayle's Brain" -- not part of the Regan Administration. It was Bill Kristol who invented "National Greatness Conservatism," in which America can only repent for its sins, and prove its greatness, by constantly sending our troops all over the face of the earth to fight all the dragons the chickenhawk Kristol was certain were in need of a good slaying.

And it was in Bush the Younger's administration when these "defense intellectuals" had their greatest impact, using 9/11 as grounds to put their theories of "Muscular Foreign Policy Idealism" to the test.

They seem to be the only people on the planet who have not yet realized that their theories failed, bloodily and humiliatingly.

And they know that they are pushing Bush's policy of foreign intervention promiscuity, not Reagan's.

But the Bushes are very badly tarnished brand, and Reagan remains a strong one. So they lie and claim the Bushie Foreign Policy they're pushing is really Reagan's.

It's not. They're liars and scumbags, weak men determined to send strong men off to die so they can get high huffing on some Secondary Testosterone.

Below, Tucker Carlson runs tape of Lindsey Graham demanding we actually kick off World War Three by shooting down Russian planes -- tossing off this suggestion so cavalierly you might suspect his brain is damaged -- and the various unrepentant necons/Bushies, and the mere leftwing Democrat opportunists, once again insisting that we must never have a single debate or dissenting voice on any of our many, many, unending, unwinning military operations.

.@TuckerCarlson: The War Party Is In Panic Mode as the Majority of Americans Oppose War With Russia

"How can you defend democracy and push a war that the population doesn't want? Oh, you can't! So they're panicking." pic.twitter.com/mMg3bh6JXI
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) March 16, 2023

Tucker Carlson on the DC war machine: "Their plan is to ignore our borders but to defend Ukraine's. They're even funding the Ukrainian pension system as our own American banks collapse." pic.twitter.com/ZrmF4SZBqG
— Becker News (@NewsBecker) March 16, 2023

Here's Bill Kristol's "Republican Accountability Project" once again smearing anyone who doesn't buy into Kristol's latest foreign war a traitor, coward, and unpatriotic conservative.

We present one and a half minutes of Tucker Carlson parroting Vladimir Putin. New video from RAP: pic.twitter.com/W4ca6Gdrgz
— Republican Accountability (@AccountableGOP) March 14, 2023

Say, Bill, you're so in favor of sending men off to war, quick question: When have you, or any male member of your family, or any male member of the staffs of all of your grifts, ever volunteered to serve in the armed forces?

Just wonderin', Hero!

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Posted by: GF at March 16, 2023 04:59 PM (aJxr8)

2 Didn't read the content.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2023 04:59 PM (44ww/)

3 Good afternoon everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 16, 2023 05:00 PM (qoGsy)

4 I did and look where it got me.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:00 PM (BTgKJ)

5 "The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."
Reagan's Rules Were Nearly the Complete Opposite of What They're Pushing."

Well, bend me over a four leaf clover and spank me with a shillelagh. Who saw that coming?

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:00 PM (j32Ud)

6 The otters have been noodlummed.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:02 PM (BTgKJ)

7 SHOOT THEM! SHOOT THEM NOW!!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham's soiled panties at March 16, 2023 05:02 PM (iayUP)

8 Keep Reagan's name out of your syphilitic mouth you ten dollar whore.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2023 05:02 PM (44ww/)

9 Sen. Lady bugs doesn't have any children so, he doesn't give a flip.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (DMyTF)

10 Sad fact is Americans accept Putins claims more readily than the clams of the Biden/Kristol Junta.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (dJyNc)

11 But the Bushes are very badly tarnished brand, and Reagan remains a strong one. So they lie and claim the Bushie Foreign Policy they're pushing is really Reagan's.

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I'm really looking forward to Nikki Haley claiming to be the true inheritor of Trumpism after Trump's death, as she calls for the bombing of Moscow after a Russian ambassador sneezes during Kamala Harris' State of the Union speech, just like Trump would demand.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (LvTSG)

12 Pushing war for the Deep State

Posted by: Skip at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (xhxe8)

13 I really don't think we have a choice about going to war with Russia, this shit is being run at levels above representative Democracy.

I mean, did we have a choice with regards the Plandemic?

Nope.

So, every thing hinges upon whether the humps in charge want to open The Ninth Gate or not.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (n/8Ck)

14 "Below, Tucker Carlson runs tape of Lindsey Graham demanding we actually kick off World War Three by shooting down Russian planes"

And his show was followed by that sad Irishmen who is white as a potato's and twice as dense, Sean Hannity. He proceeded to felate Graham and give him a chance to bleat like a sheep taking it in the wrong end.

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:04 PM (j32Ud)

15 If only John McCain were still here to reel in his little warmongering bitch-boi!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 16, 2023 05:04 PM (Jg7EG)

16 The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."

Regan? The girl from The Exorcist?

Posted by: Chuck C at March 16, 2023 05:04 PM (xttsV)

17 Rear Admiral Graham and the Fighting 69th!
"The chaps with prolapse!"

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (OgrpQ)

18 Reagan did not start shooting down the commie planes over Afghanistan, for one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (zZu0s)

19 "How can you defend democracy and push a war that the population doesn't want? Oh, you can't! So they're panicking."

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Iraq and Afghanistan became so unpopular over so long that it killed the American populace's appetite for foreign interventionism, but foreign interventionism has to continue to budgets might get slashed.

And the worst thing that can happen to constitutional order is for a single federal government department's budget to get slashed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

20 16 The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."

Regan? The girl from The Exorcist?
Posted by: Chuck C at March 16, 2023 05:04 PM (xttsV)

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Ah, that's the trick they're pulling.

Pretty sneaky, sis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

21 16 The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."

Regan? The girl from The Exorcist?
Posted by: Chuck C at March 16, 2023 05:04 PM (xttsV)

King Lear's daughter. Admittedly, she was pretty ruthless.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (BTgKJ)

22 Miss Lindsay has a big fucking mouth. Someone needs to put some duct tape over it stat.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (wagHN)

23 Hopefully, the world makes it clear to Biden that no one is interested in war with Russia.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:06 PM (dJyNc)

24 Does Graham think that Reagan wanted to give the order to begin World War Three, but kept missing his opportunities?

This was definitely a liberal trope at the time from what I heard. My parents were sane, so Reagan=Great Man. Dad loves/loved him.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:06 PM (zZu0s)

25 Last rule is the most important - troops need to be the LAST resort, when no other options are available. When countries on rhe other side of the world are having g a border dispute, staying out of it is always a viable option.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 16, 2023 05:06 PM (5VXJH)

26 These guys are not happy unless there is a war going on.
Power and money. SOS.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:06 PM (iayUP)

27 Pssst! Hey Rhonda Santis retards, your guy is trying to trick MAGA voters to abandon Trump and vote for him instead in the 2024 primaries. That's why his position on Ukraine sounded like he's not interested in being involved.

Should he secure the nomination, Rhonda will almost immediately do an about face on his Ukraine policy, and be "forced" into continuing with business as usual there.

So if you can't see / won't see / are too dumb to see that you're being tricked.

Rhonda Santis is a Bushie, and his major backers are Bushies. Heck they've probably dirtied him up already with Ukraine spoils, just to make sure he stays in line.

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at March 16, 2023 05:06 PM (FpPBC)

28 They are planning to advance into a hot war with Russia, then silence and lock up anyone who disagrees using The Patriot Act and federal laws corrupted for purpose. The you'll be eating cabbage and potatoes in your cell for saying you're against the war.

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (j32Ud)

29 Was Reagan's 12th Law about peds??

Quote Tweet The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln · Mar 10
J6 inmates in the prison yard

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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (Vwz3I)

30 BREAKING: Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump, and Vladimir Putin collaborate in conspiracy to claim sky is blue.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (bcleC)

31 Graham reminds me of a sheep I once knew, carnally.

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (j32Ud)

32 Somewhat beside the point of what is, and isn't, in our national interest ; but I also believe that the casualty figures are grossly inflated. "100,000" war dead on the Uke side? All I see on the intertubes are a burned out building here or there, or individual actions involving small crews. Nothing like the scale or scope of major battles.

I'm no military expert so that may not mean anything. But overall I trust the propaganda coming from Ukraine, and Team Biden, like a trust half-priced sushi sold from a taco truck.

Posted by: Zek at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (5FPX4)

33 Trump golfs with Senator Lady Bug. Ron DeSantis does not.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (DMyTF)

34 13 I really don't think we have a choice about going to war with Russia, this shit is being run at levels above representative Democracy.

I mean, did we have a choice with regards the Plandemic?

Nope.

So, every thing hinges upon whether the humps in charge want to open The Ninth Gate or not.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (n/8Ck)

They don't call it the "escalation escalator" for nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if several divisions of "NATO" troops are officially on the ground in Ukraine by June-August. At least in the end, there will be only chaos...so I've heard.

Posted by: Thrawn at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (Rl7KJ)

35 Reagan's Rule: Never speak bad about a Republican, just name your entire movement after the idea speaking bad about a Republican

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (BXxcV)

36 All joking aside, WTF is wrong with Lindsey Graham? Why does he want this stupid war so much? Has anyone done a deep dive into his financials? He's crazy.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:08 PM (DcKNO)

37 AIDS-related dementia

Posted by: Donald J Trump at March 16, 2023 05:08 PM (0A5+1)

38 To truly honor Senator McCain during his funeral we are commencing bombing Moscow.

Posted by: Biden Junta Press Team at March 16, 2023 05:08 PM (dJyNc)

39 By the way, why does Morning Joke with a Side of Stupid have a head like an alien?

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:09 PM (j32Ud)

40 8 They are planning to advance into a hot war with Russia, then silence and lock up anyone who disagrees using The Patriot Act and federal laws corrupted for purpose. The you'll be eating cabbage and potatoes in your cell for saying you're against the war.
Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun

They can try.

Posted by: 60 Million AR-15's at March 16, 2023 05:09 PM (DMyTF)

41 Tertiary rectal gonorrhea.

Posted by: Zek at March 16, 2023 05:09 PM (5FPX4)

42 hey, just saw that the Dutch Farmer's Party apparently won a parlimentary majority.

which, as we know with europe, means that they're going to become super-anti-farmer now. Sure, you may defeat the Leopard Biting Your Face Off Party but that doesn't mean that your new non-leopard politicians aren't actually 100% pro-leopard.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 16, 2023 05:09 PM (MLrvz)

43 And his show was followed by that sad Irishmen who is white as a potato's and twice as dense, Sean Hannity. He proceeded to felate Graham and give him a chance to bleat like a sheep taking it in the wrong end.
Posted by: Pat MeGroin
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Hannity's idea of a Great American is Lindsay Grahamesty and quite notably that Sean had the chance to serve but didn't.

John Fogerty had it right in 'Fortunate Son' based on his views of how Vietnam affected normal folks.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:09 PM (r4qoG)

44 anyway, yeah, right? Tucker shows 2024 gonna be lit as it's the GOP base vs not only the DNC but the GOP leadership class that is basically the DNC.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (MLrvz)

45 > Well, bend me over a four leaf clover and spank me with a shillelagh. Who saw that coming?

Most of the shillelagh's I've seen in real life look like scaled down ogre clubs. I wouldn't want to be hit by one of those things.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (V1QHJ)

46 If Lindsey Graham ever had to make a cogent argument, what's left of his dick would fall off.

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (j32Ud)

47 11 But the Bushes are very badly tarnished brand, and Reagan remains a strong one. So they lie and claim the Bushie Foreign Policy they're pushing is really Reagan's.

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I'm really looking forward to Nikki Haley claiming to be the true inheritor of Trumpism after Trump's death, as she calls for the bombing of Moscow after a Russian ambassador sneezes during Kamala Harris' State of the Union speech, just like Trump would demand.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being witty and sophisticated with Ernst Lubitsch at March 16, 2023 05:03 PM (LvTSG)

If there's anything we know about Trump, it's that he wanted to start WWIII like all the liberals said.

Do it for the OrangeMan.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (eYoxG)

48 Why are these people so desperate for a massive amount of blood shed?

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (eGTCV)

49 22 Miss Lindsay has a big fucking mouth. Someone needs to put some duct tape over it stat.
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 05:05 PM (wagHN)

it's pretty mouth , tho

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:11 PM (us2H3)

50 "National Greatness Conservatism," in which America can only repent for its sins, and prove its greatness, by constantly sending our troops all over the face of the earth to fight all the dragons the chickenhawk Kristol was certain were in need of a good slaying.

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ah, this must've been the people who convinced George W that the way to win the GWOT was to give maine and Minneapolis to Somalia.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 16, 2023 05:11 PM (MLrvz)

51 Lindsay Graham is just a democrat in drag.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 16, 2023 05:11 PM (Y5qcH)

52 >>36 All joking aside, WTF is wrong with Lindsey Graham?
Posted by: Seems Legit

Monkey pox and irritable bowels.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:11 PM (DMyTF)

53 again, the GOP base votes for this shit in the primaries.

we've known about these creeps. Trump couldn't even beat murkowski

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 16, 2023 05:11 PM (MLrvz)

54 Lindsey Graham has already endorsed Trump for 2024 and Trump's position on Ukraine is further away from Graham's than DeSantis is.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (xPl2J)

55 Although exact numbers are of course questionable, I've been surprised that multiple sources from the are, on all sides politically, agree that Russia is taking casualties, both wounded and KIA, at a 5:1 ratio. IOW, for each Ukrainian fatality, Russia will have taken 5. The prisoners recruited bh thr Wagner Group are mostly dead already.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (5VXJH)

56 36 All joking aside, WTF is wrong with Lindsey Graham? Why does he want this stupid war so much? Has anyone done a deep dive into his financials? He's crazy.
Posted by: Seems Legit

Graham's deceptions and lies to everyone over the years have went on so long that he is no longer sane. I can see him playing the lead role in Sunset Strip one day with some poor political consultant playing the part of Max.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (r4qoG)

57 39 By the way, why does Morning Joke with a Side of Stupid have a head like an alien?
Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun
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He looks like he was drawn by Chester Gould.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (gf7Ez)

58 "Most of the shillelagh's I've seen in real life look like scaled down ogre clubs. I wouldn't want to be hit by one of those things."

You're dating the wrong lassie, boy.

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (j32Ud)

59 Next week: If you aren't in favor of WWIII you are Putin's Stooge.

The Week after: If you aren't in favor of Nuclear Release, for tactical reasons, you are Putin's Stooge.

The Week after: If you aren't in favor to total Nuclear Weapons Free and punching the russians in the dick, you are Pootin's Stooge.

Posted by: Give the deep state an inch they take a mile, but its PUTIN that needs punched in the dick at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (aY2di)

60 The only way to get through to the GOP is by withholding money. Do not donate.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (dJyNc)

61 48 Why are these people so desperate for a massive amount of blood shed?
Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (eGTCV)

They do not have a 'thing' otherwise. They hate the base and everything the base wants. They are bought and paid for conmen. So, they stand for the CoC (who pays them) on immigration and the defense contractors because they pay them.

They are spineless twats who are going to be the second pig eaten by the crocodile they are helping to create.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (zZu0s)

62 60 The only way to get through to the GOP is by withholding money. Do not donate.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (dJyNc)

But where would the 3x match go then?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (Y5qcH)

63 The war drums over Ukraine are more about the money laundering and grifting than they are about Russian aggression.

Lindsey Graham is a drama queen and needs a stiff cock.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (Q4IgG)

64
It's funny how Reagan and then Trump were the biggest warmongers that every existed, according to the left, just itching to push the button and start nuclear war.

Yet, they didn't do much war starting at all. In fact, just the opposite.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (Mzdiz)

65 we've known about these creeps. Trump couldn't even beat murkowski
Posted by: sockamster, gator
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Using Cordocet's Theorem, one can never predict that a majority vote in ranked order voting will actually prevail. Murkcow switched it to that so that the third place finisher in votes won as a Dem won the House seat despite only getting about 40 percent of the vote.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (r4qoG)

66 56 36 All joking aside, WTF is wrong with Lindsey Graham? Why does he want this stupid war so much? Has anyone done a deep dive into his financials? He's crazy.
Posted by: Seems Legit

Graham's deceptions and lies to everyone over the years have went on so long that he is no longer sane. I can see him playing the lead role in Sunset Strip one day with some poor political consultant playing the part of Max.
Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (r4qoG)

Could be attention-whoring about the present thing, could be insanity. He doesn't really have a consistent pattern of behavior other than loving the camera.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:14 PM (eYoxG)

67 54 Lindsey Graham has already endorsed Trump for 2024 and Trump's position on Ukraine is further away from Graham's than DeSantis is.
Posted by: Mark1971 at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (xPl2J)

All Miss Lindsey knows is staying at the trough. And Gay Male Hookers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:14 PM (zZu0s)

68 I graduated high school in 1982.

There wasn't a single fucking day of Reagan's presidency in the 8 years he was in the White House that somebody on the Left wasn't running their money maker about how Reagan was going to kill us all by pressing the button to start World War III, either on purpose or by accident.

And that goes for all the leftist c********** in Europe too.

MTV played Phil Collins' stupid music video of "Land of Confusion" at least a dozen times a day back then and Reagan killing us all was THE central theme of the video.

Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2023 05:14 PM (wb1YC)

69 63 The war drums over Ukraine are more about the money laundering and grifting than they are about Russian aggression.

Lindsey Graham is a drama queen and needs a stiff cock.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (Q4IgG)

I am betting he gets that every night.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:14 PM (zZu0s)

70 Goober Graham can jump to War but Real Thinking Men will hold judgment until Eyepatch McCain speaks.

Posted by: Voter theater. at March 16, 2023 05:14 PM (Ih0Cz)

71 Lindsey didn't think anyone would pick up a book and check up on what Reagan might actually have put down in black and white?

I am so looking forward to Hannity challenging Graham on this.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (fs1hN)

72 my hunch is much grifting is occurring as it relates to defense spending

one of those iron clad 'follow the money' gambits, something we were being warned about from an Ike about 63 years ago

Posted by: DanMan at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (DB6tu)

73 Theory A:
They are pushing the Ukr war to cover for the fact that they got us into it ("small incursion",) and now it is the source of all our ails. (the coming war with China, inflation) and they can not fix inflation like Reagan did because he did it with low oil prices (iran iraq war) and low demand (high interest rates.) Well, GND says no to low oil and how do you cut demand when half the country is on the dole, and most production is overseas.
They are setting fire to the world to cover for their incompetence.

Theory B:
Does anyone buy this "we were hold bonds and no one expected them to lose value" explanation for SVB? Maybe that works for MSNBC viewers, but no one in finance could buy that. It is like the first lesson about bonds. It is why the Fed telegraphs rate hikes for months beforehand. My theory is that SVB was a massive knot of corruption and they blew it to hide their misdeeds.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (gQ+Yg)

74 @48 N. Lurker-because when you steal elections like the uniparty did and control institutions that enforce the law(FBI/DOJ) you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Posted by: JROD at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (IlL6s)

75 War makes a lot of money for all the right people and that's what this is all about.

Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (dTFZY)

76 Yet, they didn't do much war starting at all. In fact, just the opposite.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at March 16, 2023 05:13 PM (Mzdiz)

To be fair, Reagan did more than Trump, but at the same time, it was a COMPLETELY different world.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (zZu0s)

77 No, I think Graham is the perfect companion for Trump. The stupid things they say would fill Patty McRottencrotch's cabbage hole. And that's a pretty big one. Why I could stuff my entire pot o gold and extended family in there.

Posted by: Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun at March 16, 2023 05:16 PM (j32Ud)

78 72 my hunch is much grifting is occurring as it relates to defense spending

one of those iron clad 'follow the money' gambits, something we were being warned about from an Ike about 63 years ago
Posted by: DanMan at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (DB6tu)

IKE is one of those that my opinion of the man only grows as time goes by.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 16, 2023 05:16 PM (zZu0s)

79 55 Although exact numbers are of course questionable, I've been surprised that multiple sources from the are, on all sides politically, agree that Russia is taking casualties, both wounded and KIA, at a 5:1 ratio. IOW, for each Ukrainian fatality, Russia will have taken 5. The prisoners recruited bh thr Wagner Group are mostly dead already.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 16, 2023 05:12 PM (5VXJH)

A ratio favoring the Ukrainians over the Russians is out of line with military history, their relative resources, and the way the war is being fought. The "scrappy underdog" consistently takes more casualties, whether that be the American Revolution or Vietnam.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:16 PM (eYoxG)

80 If Juicy Smollet's Nigerian attackers got into a family squabble, Lindsey Graham would take it upon himself to jump in between them with a squeeze bottle of sex lubricant.

If Ivan gets into a family squabble with the fucking Cossacks over a tribal border, - fuck them! Let them hash it out.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 16, 2023 05:17 PM (Jg7EG)

81 It's funny how Reagan and then Trump were the biggest warmongers that every existed, according to the left, just itching to push the button and start nuclear war.

Yet, they didn't do much war starting at all. In fact, just the opposite.
Posted by: publius
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As we talk about the uniparty, part of it was a drift by the GOP to become just as big of warmongers as the Democrats were and are. That is because government grows in power and money during wars. The traditional GOP view was isolationism.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:17 PM (r4qoG)

82 Are there any yoga instructors teaching the Kiss Your Ass Goodbye pose?

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:17 PM (eGTCV)

83 Governor DeSantis next question

Gov. Ron DeSantis: So how long did you serve in the US military Former President Trump?

Good night folks, see you in November.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:18 PM (DMyTF)

84 Below, Tucker Carlson runs tape of Lindsey Graham demanding we actually kick off World War Three by shooting down Russian planes -- tossing off this suggestion so cavalierly you might suspect his brain is damaged ....

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He and Sean Hannity are butt-boys on this issue ... "and he'll be lucky to live through it."

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 16, 2023 05:18 PM (T+WxX)

85 The worst part if WWIII happens will be having Lloyd Austin and Gen Milley at the helm of this clusterfuck. These guys are losers as men, as leaders, as thinkers and at war.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:18 PM (DcKNO)

86 Theory B:
Does anyone buy this "we were hold bonds and no one expected them to lose value" explanation for SVB? Maybe that works for MSNBC viewers, but no one in finance could buy that. It is like the first lesson about bonds. It is why the Fed telegraphs rate hikes for months beforehand. My theory is that SVB was a massive knot of corruption and they blew it to hide their misdeeds.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM (gQ+Yg)

They even hedged their floating rate investments into fixed rate ones and bet on rates falling.

There's always a few dumbasses out there.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:18 PM (eYoxG)

87 If you really wanted to kill interventionism, you need to kill SOCOM and the CIA.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (wmDcS)

88 Pat MeGroin, Leprechaun
==
Happy St. Patrick's Day Eve

YOU FOOKIN' PROSTITUTE!

Posted by: May the road rise up and meet your chin tomorrow at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (mywkn)

89 Why are these people so desperate for a massive amount of blood shed?

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:10 PM (eGTCV)

💵💵💵

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (BXxcV)

90 These are my heartfelt principles, and I'll defend them to the last drop of somebody else's blood!

Posted by: NeoCon, Inc. at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (oedLL)

91 It wasn't a cruise missile that struck Qaddafi. It was F111s. And so the story goes, they also dropped a bomb in front of the French embassy because the Frogs wouldn't grant overflight for the mission which originated in England.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (aylmF)

92 welp it has been easily confirmed I'm in with the in crowd, jumped in, made a comment, scrolled up and I see I was repeating many others

good company I tells ya

Posted by: DanMan at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (DB6tu)

93 War makes a lot of money for all the right people and that's what this is all about.
Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM

Winner winner expensive dinner.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (oE0yX)

94 Here's Bill Kristol's "Republican Accountability Project" once again smearing anyone who doesn't buy into Kristol's latest foreign war a traitor, coward, and unpatriotic conservative.

Putin is telling the truth while US politicians are telling us lies.

Patriotism 2023: Blindly obey the War Party's Narrative no matter how shamefully obvious it is self-serving, destructive to the FUSA and nothing but lies.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (YXHzG)

95 81 It's funny how Reagan and then Trump were the biggest warmongers that every existed, according to the left, just itching to push the button and start nuclear war.

Yet, they didn't do much war starting at all. In fact, just the opposite.
Posted by: publius
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As we talk about the uniparty, part of it was a drift by the GOP to become just as big of warmongers as the Democrats were and are. That is because government grows in power and money during wars. The traditional GOP view was isolationism.
Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:17 PM (r4qoG)

Which is due to the neocons, who were wilsonian internationalists, colonizing the GOP during the latter years of the Cold War.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (eYoxG)

96 I'm no military expert so that may not mean anything. But overall I trust the propaganda coming from Ukraine, and Team Biden, like a trust half-priced sushi sold from a taco truck.
Posted by: Zek at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM (5FPX4)

There have been several internal leaks and 'oopsie' admissions from Ukrainian and Western pols about casualties that make 100k plus dead probable. Zelensky's penchant for getting his troops to stand to the death in random towns while the Russians pound them with arty for weeks on end, for one. They've been calling these actions meat grinders for a reason, and they have been going on for months.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (eoQWY)

97 87 If you really wanted to kill interventionism, you need to kill SOCOM and the CIA.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (wmDcS)

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There is merit in that statement. More so the CIA.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (DcKNO)

98 Krystal and Lindsay can eat a Costco size bag of dicks. Oh wait..

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (oE0yX)

99 Am I the only one noticing they're not pushing the "Ukraine is a democracy" as much?
I mean what with:
Banning all opposition parties and seizing their assets
Banning all government criticism and shutting down critical broadcasts
Conscription all able-bodied men and locking them in the country
Arresting religious leaders
Staffing his army with actual Nazis
And say, when is the next election in this democracy?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 16, 2023 05:21 PM (Watld)

100 93 War makes a lot of money for all the right people and that's what this is all about.
Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2023 05:15 PM

Winner winner expensive dinner.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (oE0yX)

This, 100%.

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:21 PM (exHjb)

101 It wasn't a cruise missile that struck Qaddafi. It was F111s. And so the story goes, they also dropped a bomb in front of the French embassy because the Frogs wouldn't grant overflight for the mission which originated in England.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (aylmF)

There is a Sam Kinnison comedy bit on his album repeating this theory that is very funny

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:21 PM (eoQWY)

102 The "ladies" of the View should be using their platform to encourage their viewers to enlist in the military or to encourage their children to enlist in the military.

I want to hear Joy Behar tell her audience of women that if they have a son, to drive him to the recruiter and to encourage him to enlist.

I want to hear her SAY that on air. She supports war, lets see her support war. Lets see her do it.

Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (BD/yx)

103 These days when I hear Lindsey Graham , the first thing I think of is the quote attributed to Henry II of England preceding the death of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Posted by: SMOD at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (iI9u/)

104 There have been several internal leaks and 'oopsie' admissions from Ukrainian and Western pols about casualties that make 100k plus dead probable. Zelensky's penchant for getting his troops to stand to the death in random towns while the Russians pound them with arty for weeks on end, for one. They've been calling these actions meat grinders for a reason, and they have been going on for months.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM

Yep, and eventually the Ukes are going to run out of troops. Gee, where would they get more......

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (oE0yX)

105 87 If you really wanted to kill interventionism, you need to kill SOCOM and the CIA.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (wmDcS)

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There is merit in that statement. More so the CIA.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:20 PM (DcKNO)

And State.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (eoQWY)

106 Are there any yoga instructors teaching the Kiss Your Ass Goodbye pose?

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:17 PM (eGTCV)

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D.C. must have a booming business to satisfy the demand for the Head Up Your Ass pose.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (T+WxX)

107
Reagan and war needs to remember this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

Theory C:
On that drone, the "unprofessional and unsafe" BS was a big sign to Russia that the US would not admit it was a deliberate act. We flinched. Just like Bush the very lessor did on Hainan Island.
Not saying we need to react, but we certainly should never flinch and give them an out. Call it what it was - a deliberate act. I wonder if DOD released the footage because they did not want to give Russian an excuse since that just creates more risk for us.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (gQ+Yg)

108 @79
Could the arms and intelligence we're giving to Ukraine explain this?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (RqMSv)

109 They even hedged their floating rate investments into fixed rate ones and bet on rates falling.
==
They believe their own ridiculous bullshit. Like Biden saying the economy is going to come roaring back, inflation is under control and will be gone blah blah Because if you believe that was going to happen, then those actions make sense. They are not longer functioning in the reality based community, but community based reality. The maths, simply do not give a single fcuk about your feelings.

Posted by: It has ever been thus at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (m7aZw)

110 I'm no military expert so that may not mean anything. But overall I trust the propaganda coming from Ukraine, and Team Biden, like a trust half-priced sushi sold from a taco truck.
Posted by: Zek at March 16, 2023 05:07 PM

We out here in flyover country call that 'bait.'

Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2023 05:22 PM (dTFZY)

111 91 It wasn't a cruise missile that struck Qaddafi. It was F111s.

Love the Aardvark and their afterburner flames.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:23 PM (DMyTF)

112 It's always "follow the money." I've been foolish when I haven't.

They're really going hard on sucking money from the middle class to Ukraine and calling us Putinites if we think it's insane.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:23 PM (DcKNO)

113 Am I the only one noticing they're not pushing the "Ukraine is a democracy" as much?
I mean what with:
Banning all opposition parties and seizing their assets
Banning all government criticism and shutting down critical broadcasts
Conscription all able-bodied men and locking them in the country
Arresting religious leaders
Staffing his army with actual Nazis
And say, when is the next election in this democracy?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 16, 2023 05:21 PM (Watld)

Well given they call Western Governments Democracies I'd say he fits right in with what the US, UK, Australia and NZ are doing.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:23 PM (eoQWY)

114 Putin has gotten to ace. RIP.

Posted by: William Kristol, ESQ at March 16, 2023 05:24 PM (onHuH)

115 Drop Whoopi on the Kremlin.

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:24 PM (eGTCV)

116 I like how the neocon Warhawks drive a freight train through the meaning of "vital."

What's so vital about Ukraine?

Glad you asked!

Defending Ukraine is in the vital interest of the United States because it is vital that we protect those countries that are vital to our interest and so Ukraine is a vital interest to the United States.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 16, 2023 05:25 PM (Watld)

117 Yes they're stupid idiotic evil asshole lying fucksticks. On the other hand, the world needs a good nuking.

Posted by: Send in the nukes! at March 16, 2023 05:25 PM (La8Fd)

118 This war needs to continue, I haven't made the millions yet I was promised for helping it come to be.
-Lt. "Bearclaw" Vindman

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 16, 2023 05:25 PM (fs1hN)

119 "MTV played Phil Collins' stupid music video of "Land of Confusion" at least a dozen times a day back then and Reagan killing us all was THE central theme of the video.
Posted by: Azathoth"

What a nauseating song. Best forgotten. Ditto for Collins.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:25 PM (iayUP)

120 they also dropped a bomb in front of the French embassy because the Frogs wouldn't grant overflight for the mission which originated in England.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM

We did our job, we only f*cked up one place, we "accidentally" dropped a bomb on the French embassy. (Crowd "AWWWWWWW"). Sorry about that, I'm sure would have been a little better if we had more f*cking sleep. Thanks for those extra 6500 air miles you f*ckheads, build a new house!

Posted by: Sam Kinison at March 16, 2023 05:25 PM (xttsV)

121 62 60 The only way to get through to the GOP is by withholding money. Do not donate.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Unfortunately, that is not enough as the unlimited contributions are allowed to flourish via Citizen's United. The unpalatable choices are: destroy the GOP entirely by voting against them in alliance with the Dem voters in every district and accelerate the crash in the system (but risking Dems using happy fun camps to eliminate the opposition Cambodia style); go third party which is unlikely to be successful for awhile--maybe never; slowly rebuild the party from scratch; or break up the US in which you will still have the GOPe taint running the show in red areas.

The long slow retaking of the party is not likely to work as long as pols can be threatened with silver or the bullet for them and their families and I am not sure that the US has a long enough time before implosion occurs via external and/or internal problems.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (r4qoG)

122 @83 Maj. Healey-the old served in the military/appeal to authority card. Who gives a fuck that DeSantis served in the military. You DeSantis cock gobblers should have to explain just how you expect DeSantis to beat the same fraud machine that took down Trump. The only thing more delusional than the people who think Trump can win again are the DeSantis nut swingers. Where in the fuck were you guys in Nov 2020 and the 22 midterms? Did you even see wtf happened? Holy shit you guys are loopy AF.

Posted by: JROD at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (IlL6s)

123 91 It wasn't a cruise missile that struck Qaddafi. It was F111s.

Love the Aardvark and their afterburner flames.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:23 PM

We had an aircraft pron discussion yesterday. The F111 is a cool looking jet.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (oE0yX)

124 Why are these people so desperate for a massive amount of blood shed?

God says:

"There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.
The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes."

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (YXHzG)

125 who knew putin's so interested in local american politics. quite the polymath

Posted by: sockamster, gator at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (MLrvz)

126 Defending Ukraine is in the vital interest of the United States because it is vital that we protect those countries that are vital to our interest and so Ukraine is a vital interest to the United States.
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Transcript from Kamala speech?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (fs1hN)

127 Don Regan getting a lot of coverage in this post.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (qbRyg)

128 >>>Yep, and eventually the Ukes are going to run out of troops. Gee, where would they get more......

Posted by: Minnfidel

>The Super Max in El Salvador holds 40,000 conscripts. Bloodthirsty soldiers just looking for a war.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (Jg7EG)

129 It wasn't a cruise missile that struck Qaddafi. It was F111s. And so the story goes, they also dropped a bomb in front of the French embassy because the Frogs wouldn't grant overflight for the mission which originated in England.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 16, 2023 05:19 PM (aylmF)

_____________

Sam Kinison had a great routine on this.

How I wish he were alive today to address the modern "critics" who shit on his name.

Posted by: McLurkerson at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (wNDOJ)

130 At best, the AAR's suggest that Ukraine is a stalemate with Russia losing more troops and material. But they can afford to. The entire thing is a fools errand.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (M5z+9)

131 Canadian Cancer Society recommends cervical cancer screening for fake women.

https://bit.ly/42nkVBp

When I was in Canaderp, I couldn't even get a Doctor to do anything about the persistent stomach pain I had experienced for MONTHS. I sat in a waiting room for ten hours, then I sat in an office for five minutes. A Doctor asked me a couple of questions, told me he wasn't "impressed," and sent me on my way.

When I got home, a broad spectrum antibiotic cleared everything up in a week. Canaderp Doctors wouldn't even run a test.

What's a Canadian Doctor going to do during a "Cervical cancer screening" with a biological man? Chat about shoes?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 16, 2023 05:27 PM (V1QHJ)

132 I remember being assaulted by the sound of Neil Young singing Impeach the President.

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:27 PM (eGTCV)

133
They're really going hard on sucking money from the middle class to Ukraine and calling us Putinites if we think it's insane.
Posted by: Seems Legit

For the most part, the US is simply writing hot checks for funding Ukraine. Biden wants massive tax increases but more for domestic politics as in punishing the enemies of Democrats than actually funding stuff.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:27 PM (r4qoG)

134 @83 Maj. Healey-the old served in the military/appeal to authority card. Who gives a fuck that DeSantis served in the military. You DeSantis cock gobblers should have to explain just how you expect DeSantis to beat the same fraud machine that took down Trump. The only thing more delusional than the people who think Trump can win again are the DeSantis nut swingers. Where in the fuck were you guys in Nov 2020 and the 22 midterms? Did you even see wtf happened? Holy shit you guys are loopy AF.
Posted by: JROD at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM

Try decaf.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:28 PM (oE0yX)

135 91 It wasn't a cruise missile that struck Qaddafi. It was F111s.

Love the Aardvark and their afterburner flames.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:23 PM

We had an aircraft pron discussion yesterday. The F111 is a cool looking jet.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:26 PM (oE0yX)

They also used the EF-111 Raven on that sortie. Radar jamming capabilities.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 16, 2023 05:28 PM (OgrpQ)

136 I've been hearing we are on the Eve of Destruction all my life. Civilization was supposed to end Dec 31, 1999. It never happens. People say it can't go on, yet it does.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:28 PM (iayUP)

137 We need a new foreign policy. Current foreign policy is from the 80s. We need a complete reassessment. And a new State Department.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM (V13WU)

138 Funny you mentioned Gaddafi and the F-111s.

I was working at RAF Lakenheath back in the late late 80s and got to work with some of the munitions guys (knuckle draggers) there who actually prepped the munitions for that raid. They had pictures of all the nasty shit they wrote to Gaddafi on the munitions before they loaded them up.

Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM (wb1YC)

139 Illegal Alien > Land Of Confusion

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM (xPl2J)

140 These assholes are still fighting the Soviet Union.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM (V13WU)

141 > There is no one righteous, not even one

This is the real story behind my nickname here. Jesus said, "No one is good, except God alone." Me choosing the name, "bonhomme" is my silly little joke that I'm nobody.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM (V1QHJ)

142 What time is the nuclear war clock sitting at?

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM (eGTCV)

143 What time is the nuclear war clock sitting at?
Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:29 PM

Well it's daylight savings time so.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:30 PM (oE0yX)

144 What's a Canadian Doctor going to do during a "Cervical cancer screening" with a biological man? Chat about shoes?
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It was ok, but then came the pap smear...

Posted by: Identifying as "MA'AM!" at March 16, 2023 05:30 PM (fs1hN)

145 What was that story about a Japanese soldier who could not believe that WWII was over ?

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:30 PM (V13WU)

146 Remember when the Mayan calendar rolled over? What a disappointment that was.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:31 PM (iayUP)

147 Ukraine isn't any more democratic than Russia (where they also have elections), but Russia did invade Ukraine, so I'm still on the side of Ukraine.

However.

I'm horrified that we seem not to have any diplomatic effort in stopping the war there as soon as it possibly could be stopped.

And when I explain this, I'm doubly horrified by people who say that we want Ukraine to fight so that Russia is weakened. An early peace settlement would not have weakened Russia. THIS is simply nauseating. Z is drafting 15 year olds, I believe someone said here this morning? Or even Russians, you know, young men and old men and dead. Eternally. For OUR notion that weakening Russia is in our interest? On the bodies of HOW MANY BOYS? Blood and death and horror?

Oh, that's good because our interest is to weaken Russia and Putin you Putin loving traitor!!

It's as though other people aren't real. Like it's a movie or a video game and as long as we don't have OUR boys coming home in boxes it's all worth it?

The DEPTHS of that depravity are beyond comprehension.

If OUR interests are war? Then our interests are war. It should be debated and declared righteously in Congress.

Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:31 PM (BD/yx)

148 They want to have WWIII, so America's collapse will be blamed on someone else.

Posted by: Regular joe at March 16, 2023 05:31 PM (nnp+f)

149 Might be a good time for another Tunguska event.

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (eGTCV)

150 This JROD person makes some convincing arguments, sane and rational.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (onHuH)

151 A ratio favoring the Ukrainians over the Russians is out of line with military history, their relative resources, and the way the war is being fought. The "scrappy underdog" consistently takes more casualties, whether that be the American Revolution or Vietnam.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:16 PM (eYoxG)

A western newspaper (London Times?) did a survey by looking in Russian press for burial announcements and the like in the fall and came up with an estimate of about 10000 Russian dead. Now Wagner and Chechens and Donbas Militias have done quite a bit of fighting which brings up the total but no where near those totals.

Force totals for the entire Russian force in the early SMO estimates that they had about 125k troops total in Ukraine, with a good chunk of that out of line to be rotated in to rest other units. Militias and Wagner might bump that up some.

So the millions of casualties are right out for Russians. Its just not so, it can't be. You can see by the frontage that neither side has a lot of troops - skeleton forces and convention make the area north of Kharkov near totally unmanned by troops.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (eoQWY)

152 Regan?

Brian Regan?

Oblig.:

https://youtu.be/JNfTuFbH_sE

Posted by: Sharkman at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (9hM7A)

153 This ridiculous "What Would Reagan Do?" talk is stupid. For starters, he never would have gotten himself into such a stupid position in the first place. It's like finding yourself in Hunter Biden's shoes, having just awakened from a weeklong coke-and-hooker bender, the cops are banging on the front door, there's a dead prostitute on the living room floor, and your drug dealer has a gun to your head -- and then you ask, "What would Billy Graham do?"

Posted by: red speck at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (gS3OW)

154 Ukraine isn't any more democratic than Russia (where they also have elections), but Russia did invade Ukraine, so I'm still on the side of Ukraine.

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Do you side with Palis also ? Just axing ....

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (V13WU)

155 Glad that Desantis pushed back on this shit. We're funding fucking pensions of Ukranians while we get fucked again. How is funding pensions with my money vital to our security? I'll hang up and listen Joe.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (oE0yX)

156 https://youtu.be/hAL3WZHMIzA

Posted by: Sam Kinison at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (xttsV)

157 "I'm horrified that we seem not to have any diplomatic effort in stopping the war there as soon as it possibly could be stopped."

Is almost like they want it to go on.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (iayUP)

158 Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:31 PM (BD/yx)
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Well put.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 16, 2023 05:33 PM (fs1hN)

159 Which is due to the neocons, who were wilsonian internationalists, colonizing the GOP during the latter years of the Cold War.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Actually, I blame the Bushes and Clinton. Neocons could only have influence if the door was open anyway. Even some of GHWB's advisors were against going into Iraq (Scowcroft for example). GWB's vapid personality is part of the issue where it is obvious that he never really thought much about applying force and part of that was the removal of Cold War USSR constraints on US behavior world wide.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:33 PM (r4qoG)

160 "If you really wanted to kill interventionism, you need to kill SOCOM and the CIA. "

Thee Agency, maybe. Not SOCOM. We need leadership changes, that's all.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2023 05:33 PM (M5z+9)

161 153 This ridiculous "What Would Reagan Do?" talk is stupid. For starters, he never would have gotten himself into such a stupid position in the first place. It's like finding yourself in Hunter Biden's shoes, having just awakened from a weeklong coke-and-hooker bender, the cops are banging on the front door, there's a dead prostitute on the living room floor, and your drug dealer has a gun to your head -- and then you ask, "What would Billy Graham do?"
Posted by: red speck at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (gS3OW)

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hahahahahhhaaa So true.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:33 PM (DcKNO)

162 Perhaps delivered with a bit of harsh aplomb but I'm not certain what JROD said in 122 that was particularly incorrect. I'll keep looking.

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (BXxcV)

163 Quagmire !

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (V13WU)

164 Theory C:
On that drone, the "unprofessional and unsafe" BS was a big sign to Russia that the US would not admit it was a deliberate act.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest

Exactly. Don't forget they called it "environmentally unsafe" also. JFC

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (NW9xb)

165 It was ok, but then came the pap smear...
Posted by: Identifying as "MA'AM!" at March 16, 2023 05:30 PM

Mam you need a prostate exam.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (oE0yX)

166 @137 Current foreign policy is from the 80s.

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The point from the Reagan excerpt is that it is *not* from the '80s. If it were, there'd likely be more care about what's going on, and less stupid idiocy by people like Graham

Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (hmjTa)

167 JROD is jut being JROD.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (V13WU)

168 we would be better off if RR never existed

only gave the dims time to regroup

a clean break is needed

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:35 PM (us2H3)

169 Regan Commandment #12: The big yellow one is the Sun

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:35 PM (BXxcV)

170 The point from the Reagan excerpt is that it is *not* from the '80s. If it were, there'd likely be more care about what's going on, and less stupid idiocy by people like Graham
Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (hmjTa)

@140.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:36 PM (V13WU)

171 No discussion about the post-Reagan years and the neocons would be complete without reminding everybody that Bush the Elder was the only President we ever had that used to run the CIA.

Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2023 05:36 PM (wb1YC)

172 The US sending money and weapons to Ukraine is something Reagan (and Trump for that matter) would probably have done. It is more similar to Reagan helping the mujahideen (except the Ukrainians, while corrupt, are not Muslim fanatics and don't have certain proclivities that I read about) than to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
I understand other positions and think they make sense, especially Trump's position. I think that Biden's weakness and attempts at conciliation, by lifting the embargo on Nord Stream, led to this war. If someone firmer, like Trump or Reagan, had been president this would not have happened.
Still, I think both Trump and Reagan would have helped. Reagan's rules for committing military forces overseas don't apply because US forces have not been committed (yet?).

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 05:36 PM (84jHt)

173 It's as though other people aren't real. Like it's a movie or a video game and as long as we don't have OUR boys coming home in boxes it's all worth it?

The DEPTHS of that depravity are beyond comprehension.

If OUR interests are war? Then our interests are war. It should be debated and declared righteously in Congress.
Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:31 PM (BD/yx)

They play the same games when it is our boys coming back in boxes.

I read a ton of military history from all ages and always try to keep in the forefront that men die in all these actions, that this isn't a game.

I have a lot of sympathy for the men on the ground in the Ukrainian army being put into impossible situations to save face (supposedly) for the fools and criminals who got them into this fight that they can't in the end win.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:36 PM (eoQWY)

174 Soon as things stabilize Uk mail order brides will be get one get two free.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:37 PM (ZSNkW)

175 Soon as things stabilize Uk mail order brides will be get one get two free.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:37 PM

Yeah but you have to offer them a free dental plan.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 16, 2023 05:37 PM (ncXxy)

176 We would be better off FDR didn't exist

Posted by: Skip at March 16, 2023 05:37 PM (xhxe8)

177 150 This JROD person makes some convincing arguments, sane and rational.
Posted by: Dr Spank
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JROD's been around for a long time here. Simply put, he doesn't think that people swooning over a candidate is particularly healthy given election fraud and the long record of betrayal of GOP voters by the party.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:37 PM (r4qoG)

178 I've been hearing we are on the Eve of Destruction all my life. Civilization was supposed to end Dec 31, 1999. It never happens. People say it can't go on, yet it does.

I guess I'm in that camp. Or I'm a cockeyed optimist. Or I'm delusional.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 05:37 PM (wagHN)

179 Markwayne Mullin, our first plumber prezzy

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:38 PM (us2H3)

180 172 The US sending money and weapons to Ukraine is something Reagan (and Trump for that matter) would probably have done. It is more similar to Reagan helping the mujahideen (except the Ukrainians, while corrupt, are not Muslim fanatics and don't have certain proclivities that I read about) than to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
I understand other positions and think they make sense, especially Trump's position. I think that Biden's weakness and attempts at conciliation, by lifting the embargo on Nord Stream, led to this war. If someone firmer, like Trump or Reagan, had been president this would not have happened.
Still, I think both Trump and Reagan would have helped. Reagan's rules for committing military forces overseas don't apply because US forces have not been committed (yet?).
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 05:36 PM (84jHt)

We wouldn't be knocking on Russia's door with Trump or Reagan. Quite obviously we weren't expanding further into Ukraine under Trump. Focus would be China, and Trump from the beginning wanted to align with Russia against China.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:38 PM (eYoxG)

181 Synova, you know this was planned, right?

You know this isn't about war, Right?

You understand this is about money, right?

Somewhere upthread someone outlined what Zelensky has been doing in Ukraine and it's anything but honorable.

This clown was installed by the CIA and it's going to get worse from here.

There's no...I'm on Ukraine's side, I'm on Russia's side.

The American people are getting fleeced to collapse the economy (all actions point that way) and I'd look more to Soros, all globalists and that WEF POS to be pulling strings behind the scenes.

This is a typical CIA war. They're globalist scum too. I don't know if they've ever done anything on a big scale right.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:38 PM (DcKNO)

182 @150 Dr Spank-perfectly reasonable and logical questions. Explain how you think DeSantis or any other Republican is going to beat the Leftist fraud and ballot harvesting machine in 24’?

Posted by: JROD at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (IlL6s)

183 I agree wholeheartedly that we have no business in Ukraine and should not be propping up that regime. (However we did bring it to rule by deposing the democratically elected politician). So why have we supported internal struggles, or civil wars of sort, in other countries over and over, with sanctions, money and arms? I'm looking at South Africa pre-1994, Rhodesia, Angola, Moçambique, etc. Looking at the state of those countries now I am appalled.

Posted by: Ciampino - red faces at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (qfLjt)

184 Yes yes ace. Donald Regan was our greatest Treasury Secretary! And he guided Ronald Reagan, that old senile idiot!!!

Posted by: Justin Castreau at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (DvpxH)

185 "I'm horrified that we seem not to have any diplomatic effort in stopping the war there as soon as it possibly could be stopped."

Is almost like they want it to go on.
Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (iayUP)

The US and UK have spent a lot of effort pre and post war starting to *stop* diplomatic negotiations. Including one in March last year that had a proposed settlement on the table.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (eoQWY)

186 Has Biden donned his tough guy aviators?

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (eGTCV)

187 >>>How is funding pensions with my money vital to our security? I'll hang up and listen Joe.

Your great grandchildren's money.
Maybe.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (ZSNkW)

188 Regan Commandment #12: The big yellow one is the Sun

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:35 PM (BXxcV)

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I thought it was Mao.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (T+WxX)

189 @170 @140.

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Again, disagreed. They spent decades doing their best *not* fighting the USSR, and instead treating it as the inevitable end result of what we would eventually become. Even Reagan, who viewed the USSR as weaker than us and a dead end, saw it as dangerous and to be treated with care.

Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (hmjTa)

190 When did the left go from "give peace a chance" to "only traitors don't support endless wars?"

It's almost like they never really believed the peace BS, isn't it?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (Watld)

191 Who are our enemies ? Do we even have any ? I submit that China is a challenge, and Mexico is a narco state and we need to deal with collapse of our border there. There are failed staes in Africa and Asia that might cause problems. Short term. But enemies ? Not sure we have any in the post WWII Communism/Soviet Union sense. But these bastards want us to believe that it is still the same bi-polar world. I got news - it is not. But they are trying so, so hard to force that idea on us.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (V13WU)

192 Lets substitute Fenstermonster for Biden on the next trip to Ukraine and see if anyone notices.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (4ce6M)

193 We wouldn't be knocking on Russia's door with Trump or Reagan. Quite obviously we weren't expanding further into Ukraine under Trump. Focus would be China, and Trump from the beginning wanted to align with Russia against China.

Well, at least I don't think he would have lifted the embargo as a "good-will gesture". It reminds me of a certain reset button.

And I'm not sure who ever knocked on Russia's door. Is Ukraine Russia's door? Or was it when the Baltic countries joined NATO?

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (84jHt)

194 "I've been hearing we are on the Eve of Destruction all my life. Civilization was supposed to end Dec 31, 1999. It never happens. People say it can't go on, yet it does."

And yet if you're looking for something it's always in the last place you look.

Posted by: Zek at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (5FPX4)

195 Serious question. Would any one here on this smart military blog want to get into a major shooting war, with any freaking body, with the military and its leadership that we have now? I wouldn't.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (Pxa/w)

196 164 Theory C:
On that drone, the "unprofessional and unsafe" BS was a big sign to Russia that the US would not admit it was a deliberate act.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest

Exactly. Don't forget they called it "environmentally unsafe" also. JFC
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at March 16, 2023 05:34 PM (NW9xb)

I agree - it took away the "we must now go to war directly" and let this proxy tit for tat stuff just keep going...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (exHjb)

197 My point on the drone is that they are doing the opposite of Reagan.

They are making excuses for an enemy attack. Instead of being strong when attacked and reasonable otherwise, they are being unreasonable and provocative and then when attacked they rush to hide behind diplomatic bullcrap.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (gQ+Yg)

198 As a Jayhawk fan, we had to suffer through a quick interview with President Kamala to get her thoughts on watching her Alma mater, Howard playing in March.

She couldn't even put together a coherent response to softball questions about basketball. Confirms that outside of yellow school buses and venn diagrams, she is less useful than a wet sponge.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (dzFFc)

199 RR defeated the commies is rooster/dawn shit

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (us2H3)

200 157 "I'm horrified that we seem not to have any diplomatic effort in stopping the war there as soon as it possibly could be stopped."

Is almost like they want it to go on.
Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:32 PM (iayUP)

IIRC, there were signs that Ukraine and Russia were going to negotiate in March/April of 2022, but any attempt was nuked primarily by the British via Boris Johnson. Any attempt to negotiate now via the Euros is going to be impossible thanks to Merkel and Hollande admitting that the Minsk Accords were just a delaying tactic to arm Ukraine.

Posted by: Thrawn at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (Rl7KJ)

201 How to do rectal insufflation ozone therapy
A full home ozone therapy instruction manual is available by going to the DrsOzone Manual.

Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”

Posted by: SMOD at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (iI9u/)

202 Again, disagreed. They spent decades doing their best *not* fighting the USSR, and instead treating it as the inevitable end result of what we would eventually become. Even Reagan, who viewed the USSR as weaker than us and a dead end, saw it as dangerous and to be treated with care.
Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 05:39 PM (hmjTa)

I am not sure what point you are making and what exactly you are disagreeing. So, let's agree to disagree, shall we ?

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:42 PM (V13WU)

203 "I guess I'm in that camp. Or I'm a cockeyed optimist. Or I'm delusional.
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer "

Worrying about it won't make any difference anyway.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:42 PM (iayUP)

204 Lets substitute Fenstermonster for Biden on the next trip to Ukraine and see if anyone notices.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (4ce6M)

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We could do the same with Pothole Pete and the Z-man.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 16, 2023 05:42 PM (5v3J9)

205 Dr Spank-perfectly reasonable and logical questions. Explain how you think DeSantis or any other Republican is going to beat the Leftist fraud and ballot harvesting machine in 24’?

Posted by: JROD

By playing by their rules. Take ballot harvesting to a new level. Help the elderly fill out their ballots. Play dirty.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (onHuH)

206 our enemies are in DC

they have been there before the ink dried on the constitution

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (us2H3)

207 we would be better off if RR never existed

only gave the dims time to regroup

a clean break is needed
Posted by: REDACTED

I got the dims clean break right here.
*grabs crotch*
*checks package*

Posted by: BifBewalski at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (3CCua)

208 The USSR shot down a civilian airliner and Reagan did nothing.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (dKiJG)

209 So, I guess Reagan should have gone all Yosemite Sam after KAL 007 was shot down killing over 250, including a congressman.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (hVoyT)

210 "And yet if you're looking for something it's always in the last place you look.
Posted by: Zek"

Just don't look there!

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (iayUP)

211 Great post, Ace.

From this Army NCO that went downrange in '91: Bush Sr. mostly did it right even though I still cringe when he talked about a "New World Order".

Dubya is in the bottom 5 of presidents for several reasons.

DeSantis: I love the guy but am suspicious of his pre-announcing ways. However, he is absolutely right with his statements.

Byron York? Goodbye leftist neocon, I have listened to you through Bill Bennett since '03 and you are very tarnished as the Bush brand is.

Posted by: Danimal28 at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (ryUqI)

212
Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”
Posted by: SMOD at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (iI9u/)

I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV but I'm uncertain about the health benefits of air bubbles in the colon.

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (eGTCV)

213 195 Serious question. Would any one here on this smart military blog want to get into a major shooting war, with any freaking body, with the military and its leadership that we have now? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Old Blue
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Even if you had Zombie Eisenhower, Montgomery, etc. and a zombie Allied Army from WWII fighting with modern tools, I would not want to get involved in Ukraine.

Wars are always like Roach Motels, easy to check in to but you never check out except in a box.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (r4qoG)

214 This is a typical CIA war. They're globalist scum too. I don't know if they've ever done anything on a big scale right.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:38 PM (DcKNO)

And we didn't elect them for the job, did we.

The whole concept of a proxy war is obscene.

Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (BD/yx)

215 our enemies are in DC

they have been there before the ink dried on the constitution
Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (us2H3)

hmmm

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (V13WU)

216 Serious question. Would any one here on this smart military blog want to get into a major shooting war, with any freaking body, with the military and its leadership that we have now? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (Pxa/w)

No, of course not because even if they are better at fighting than they seem we now know we'd be running out of ammo now, and can't replace it.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (eoQWY)

217 195 Serious question. Would any one here on this smart military blog want to get into a major shooting war, with any freaking body, with the military and its leadership that we have now? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (Pxa/w)

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I mentioned this up-thread and the answer is no.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (DcKNO)

218 As Trump himself said, significantly more weapons were sent to Ukraine under his presidency than under Obama. Of course, I approve (though I don't think Trump needs my approval).

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (84jHt)

219 @ 208 The USSR shot down a civilian airliner and Reagan did nothing.

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With a US lawmaker on board, no less. But it illegally entered their airspace, and everyone knew that the Soviets were within their rights to shoot it down because of that. Even if the entry was by accident.

Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (hmjTa)

220 The media is just exactly like that flashy thing in The Men In Black.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (uH6hO)

221 Serious question. Would any one here on this smart military blog want to get into a major shooting war, with any freaking body, with the military and its leadership that we have now? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (Pxa/w)
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I'm picking Lichenstein. I think we can still take thiose commies.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (4ce6M)

222 Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”
Posted by: SMOD
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I wonder if she was sexually abused as a kid or if she is that detached from reality. Saw a picture of her recently and she looks ill.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (r4qoG)

223 There's sort of a unwritten coda about war. I'm no expert but if an unmanned plane, ship, tank, whatever is "disabled" by less than kinetic means it's not necessarily a reason to go to war. Iran dropped a several hundred million dollar MQ-4A B-AMS drone the Navy was using to surveil the Strait of Hormuz in 2018. We didn't nuke Iran for it.

Russia dumps fuel (they probably can waste) on a MQ-9 "Reaper" drone monitoring their Navy in the Black Sea.

The same general area where Russia lost the Black Sea Fleet's flagship last year to a "one in a million" anti-ship missile kill. All indications are we supplied the Ukes with the info to hit it.

What did our retarded betters think would happen if Russia had a chance to drop a US surveillance drone into the Black Sea as payback?

It's tit-for-tat right now. When it's tit-for-tat with nukes we'll never see what's coming.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (Q4IgG)

224 The whole concept of a proxy war is obscene.
Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (BD/yx)

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Agree.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (DcKNO)

225 They really like war! The more bodies they pile up the harder their little ducks get.

“WAR! Huuh! What is it good for?”
EVERYTHING!

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at March 16, 2023 05:45 PM (vsdiL)

226 When did the left go from "give peace a chance" to "only traitors don't support endless wars?"

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The parties swapped when Putin stole the election for Trump in 2016.

/

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (5v3J9)

227 Remember, Pence gave away the neocon endgame: Regime change in Russia.

So they don't give a shit how many get killed, how many families are destroyed, how many billions of ours they spend.

Because it's all just a plastic chess piece to them ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (Watld)

228 This is a typical CIA war. They're globalist scum too. I don't know if they've ever done anything on a big scale right.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:38 PM (DcKNO)

Foggy Bottom. Seriously. I am not sure Burns is all crazy about the whole thing. It is a typical State Department/Security Adviser folly.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (V13WU)

229 208 The USSR shot down a civilian airliner and Reagan did nothing.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (dKiJG)

Was that the one over the Black Sea area or the one over by Japan? Japan probably?

I'd forgotten about that.

Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (BD/yx)

230 Wars are always like Roach Motels, easy to check in to but you never check out except in a box.
Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (r4qoG)

Amen. And in our globally connected economic world, they'd probably lead to catastrophic civilian casualties on our side even if a bullet never came ashore in the US b/c we make so little of our pharmaceutical and medical needs...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (exHjb)

231 Donald Regan finally gets some recognition!...or not.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 16, 2023 05:47 PM (4dRtK)

232 Even if you had Zombie Eisenhower, Montgomery, etc. and a zombie Allied Army from WWII fighting with modern tools, I would not want to get involved in Ukraine.

Wars are always like Roach Motels, easy to check in to but you never check out except in a box.
Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM (r4qoG)

In WWII, the Russians had some 2 million dudes on that front. and the Germans 1.5 million. That's just to cover the ground. You could drop a division in there and lose it.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:47 PM (eoQWY)

233 "Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”

She's a nut. That health stuff is going to kill her.

Posted by: fd at March 16, 2023 05:47 PM (iayUP)

234 Russia isn't our friend. Reagan understood that, but he also knew they could make a formidable ally. In fact, most administrations understood there was a careful balance that needed to be maintained in order to preserve the status quo. The weenies in the EU and this administration, along with executive branch agencies changes that. The Democratic Party is largely responsible for the war in Ukraine. They use Russia as their political whipping boy, all the while ignoring the real threat, China, because they were lining their pockets. They are invested in keeping the lie going and that's dangerous for us all. Anyone who is blindly supporting Ukraine is seriously misinformed about not only the risks, but the long time geopolitical impacts.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2023 05:47 PM (M5z+9)

235 The whole concept of a proxy war is obscene.

Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:44 PM

We have been doing that since 1950 with a short detour for "Nation building" and we have not learned our lesson yet. Eisenhower was right about the military industrial complex.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 16, 2023 05:47 PM (ncXxy)

236 Worrying about it won't make any difference anyway.

True dat.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 05:47 PM (wagHN)

237

Well, at least I don't think he would have lifted the embargo as a "good-will gesture". It reminds me of a certain reset button.

And I'm not sure who ever knocked on Russia's door. Is Ukraine Russia's door? Or was it when the Baltic countries joined NATO?
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (84jHt)

Trump doesn't give away anything for nothing. Russia would've needed to do something for us(probably against China) to get more freedom to do business in the US sphere.

Ukraine and Belarus are Russia's door, buffer states and largely puppet states. Obama flipping the Ukrainian government in 2014 was what started everything down this path.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (eYoxG)

238 Let's bring democracy to the Middle East !

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (V13WU)

239 one good thing is that if we get in a full out war with the rooskies

they know nothing about suffering thru an all out war

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (us2H3)

240 >>>Just wonderin', Hero!

I am ready to send Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (PyOKD)

241 By playing by their rules. Take ballot harvesting to a new level. Help the elderly fill out their ballots. Play dirty.
Posted by: Dr Spank
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Umm, you up for paying voters for their ballot, discarding Dem votes, registering non-existent people and then voting for them, etc.? Ballot harvesting sounds benign but it is really a throwback to the way things were before the 1900's.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (r4qoG)

242 Interesting how we dropped our shorts in Afghanistan and got out as fast as we could killing several in the process only to jump into a different clusterfuck a few months later.

This was planned.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (DcKNO)

243 208 The USSR shot down a civilian airliner and Reagan did nothing.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (dKiJG)

Was that the one over the Black Sea area or the one over by Japan? Japan probably?

I'd forgotten about that.
Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (BD/yx)

There was one in the finland area that did an emergency landing on a frozen lake and the Russians missed it.

The flight they shot down was heading for Korea and was off course.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (eoQWY)

244 Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt* for “wellness.”
Posted by: SMOD

*With optional "Mandingo" model injection nozzle. Sold separately.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (ZSNkW)

245 >>By playing by their rules. Take ballot harvesting to a new level. Help the elderly fill out their ballots. Play dirty.

Exactly what Trump has been advocating. And I think he is at least as aware of what happened in 2020 as any of us and he's running again.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (ZLI7S)

246 Isn't Graham still in the USAF Reserve? We should have him called up and assigned to Kiev.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (M5z+9)

247 We would be better off FDR didn't exist

Posted by: Skip

Woodrow Fucking Wilson. All this bullshit is his fault.

Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (OUMaO)

248
And it was in Bush the Younger's administration when these "defense intellectuals" had their greatest impact, using 9/11 as grounds to put their theories of "Muscular Foreign Policy Idealism" to the test.

The thing that enrages me about the Bush MFPI Doctrine isn't as much about kicking the shit out of pissant countries that get too big for their britches (a privilege of being a superpower), but that US forces were expected to fight and die with both hands and a leg tied behind their back while the Donk commie cocksuckers in Congress threw baseballs at the back of their heads.

And God forbid that you fire a single round to defend yourself without having a notarized statement from your local JAG officer that the use of force under the Stephen King-novel-length ROE was authorized.

In the back of my mind, I knew Dubya was a chickenhawk ass-felching pussy when he halted US forces from going into Tora Bora, expecting the Northern Alliance to do the job for us. And to my eternal shame, I ignored that little voice in my head and whole-heartedly supported and defended The Shrub for years.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2023 05:50 PM (n+4am)

249 226 When did the left go from "give peace a chance" to "only traitors don't support endless wars?"

right after they quit importing slaves

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:50 PM (us2H3)

250 Obama flipping the Ukrainian government in 2014 was what started everything down this path.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (eYoxG)

Yep. Shit Midas and crew strikes again.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 16, 2023 05:50 PM (PyOKD)

251 Interesting how we dropped our shorts in Afghanistan and got out as fast as we could killing several in the process only to jump into a different clusterfuck a few months later.

This was planned.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (D

France and Germany - Merkel have publicly stated that they let Ukraine violate the Minsk accords to rebuild their army to fight Russia.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:51 PM (eoQWY)

252 "And God forbid that you fire a single round to defend yourself without having a notarized statement from your local JAG officer that the use of force under the Stephen King-novel-length ROE was authorized. "

I save a fair amount of my loathing for JAG's. More good men in bad TIC situations died due to them then I can count.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2023 05:52 PM (M5z+9)

253 250 Obama flipping the Ukrainian government in 2014 was what started everything down this path.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 05:48 PM (eYoxG)

not to mention Putin not being down with the gay shit

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:52 PM (us2H3)

254 @205 Dr Spank-we have to tip toe with what we say at this blog,.The right can’t even organize a peaceful protest for the J6’ers. When it comes time to play by “their rules” I just hope we’re prepared for them to turn the law enforcement apparatus (FBI/DOJ) against those of us harvesting ballots. Them rules, well they change them and make shit up all the time. We’ll see how people will handle going into blue hell holes to harvest ballots with law enforcement and ANTIFA breathing down their necks.

Posted by: JROD at March 16, 2023 05:52 PM (IlL6s)

255 I have trouble mentally hearing a gay man being bellicose. But Graham seems to manage.

Posted by: N. Lurker at March 16, 2023 05:52 PM (eGTCV)

256 >>Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”
Posted by: SMOD at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (iI9u/)

I discovered yesterday that she is related to Gabby Giffords. If Gabby tried that it would leak out of the top of her head.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:53 PM (DMyTF)

257 not to mention Putin not being down with the gay shit

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:52 PM (us2H3)

The Left doesn't give a fuck about gays.

Or should I say they give as much of a fuck about gays as they do women, blacks and Jews.

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:53 PM (U7hCZ)

258 Exactly what Trump has been advocating. And I think he is at least as aware of what happened in 2020 as any of us and he's running again.

Posted by: JackStraw
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Problem is as usual, he would have to build his own national organization to do it like Obama's OFA. The GOP hates the idea because a lot of their current incumbents will get swept out and a lot of political consultants,and other campaign grifters will lose their jobs.

If Trump even looks like he could win, I bet McConnell tries to dump the Senate again simply to prevent Trump from making changes.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:54 PM (r4qoG)

259 Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt* for “wellness.”

I hope her ass explodes.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 05:54 PM (wagHN)

260
Isn't Graham still in the USAF Reserve? We should have him called up and assigned to Kiev.
Posted by: Marcus T

He retired a few years back. But he was a fucking JAG, so it's a stretch to call him "military".

Still, he was a commissioned officer, and as such is subject to recall into active duty at the convenience of the President, regardless of his present status.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2023 05:55 PM (n+4am)

261 245 >>By playing by their rules. Take ballot harvesting to a new level. Help the elderly fill out their ballots. Play dirty.

Exactly what Trump has been advocating. And I think he is at least as aware of what happened in 2020 as any of us and he's running again.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2023 05:49 PM (ZLI7S)

FIND OUT YOUR STATE LAWS.

Some places "ballot harvesting" is legal. Other places you'll end up in jail. If your state allows setting up in likely Republican venues and getting people's ballots, make sure it's legal. Check the laws in place, such as here in New Mexico we've apparently sent a new law to the Governor. Find out the law and think of how to best take advantage of it because you know if Democrats are involved, they see an advantage to the new law. We're apparently going to let felons vote now.

Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (BD/yx)

262 Gwyneth Paltrow can look pretty with makeup, without makeup...yikes.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (DcKNO)

263 If Trump even looks like he could win, I bet McConnell tries to dump the Senate again simply to prevent Trump from making changes.
Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:54 PM (r4qoG)

I don't think McConnell will still be a coherent Senator, let alone a Senator at all, by Nov 2024. Damaging falls after 80 normally do not indicate a long life left...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (exHjb)

264 246 Isn't Graham still in the USAF Reserve? We should have him called up and assigned to Kiev.
Posted by: Marcus T
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He was a JAG and retired as a colonel after 33 years is what wikipedia says. It notes that he did brief stints of two weeks in Iraq and Afghanistan doing legal work for Uncle Sam.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (r4qoG)

265 I have trouble with a man who inserts himself into the existence of the human experience

who doesn't partake in the human experience

STFU graham

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (us2H3)

266 And I'm not sure who ever knocked on Russia's door. Is Ukraine Russia's door? Or was it when the Baltic countries joined NATO?
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 05:40 PM (84jHt)

We did give assurances to Yeltsin in 1992 and later that NATO would not expand east. Then we took in Poland, the Baltic States, the Balkans and Turkey.

Then we tried to put Georgia into NATO, and did military exercises there. Russia took parts of Georgia from them, and that abated.

Suddenly when talk of Ukraine joining Nato started up, you bet they took umbrage.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

267 When did the left go from "give peace a chance" to "only traitors don't support endless wars?"
_______________________

This is like the turn on a dime they did with the Soviet/German non-aggression pact on the eve of WWII. And then back again with the invasion in June '41.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (hVoyT)

268 He retired a few years back. But he was a fucking JAG, so it's a stretch to call him "military".

Still, he was a commissioned officer, and as such is subject to recall into active duty at the convenience of the President, regardless of his present status.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2023 05:55 PM (n+4am)

Unless you resign your commission. Of course, if you do that, you can't be a retired officer.

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:57 PM (exHjb)

269 hope her ass explodes.
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 05:54 PM (wagHN)
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What, no ozone up the keister for you? Are you some kind of wellness ozone denier?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at March 16, 2023 05:57 PM (2YtOq)

270 This clusterfuck in Ukraine is the direct result of the State Dept, John McCain.and Graham. The bribe'em crime syndicate just managed to jump on the.gravy train at the last.moment

Posted by: Ben Had at March 16, 2023 05:57 PM (l8RbF)

271 19 men attached US on 9/11. 15 (!) of them were Saudi. So we invaded Iraq. How will this look 100, 200 years from now I wonder.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:57 PM (V13WU)

272 Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 05:53 PM (U7hCZ)

one day , my friend

you will tire of being wrong

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (us2H3)

273 Over time.
One of the goals of the Uke war is to fully implement the Patriot act domestically.
Drug store truck driving man gonna get us all killed.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (Eeb9P)

274 Dear Progressives, you broke it, you bought it.

Posted by: Holy Crap at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (glGDV)

275 Suddenly when talk of Ukraine joining Nato started up, you bet they took umbrage.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

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Absolutely. They have a right to secure their borders. Evidently, they knew what was coming and made the first move.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (DcKNO)

276 Lindsey, calm your man tits

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (NtVYv)

277 I don't think McConnell will still be a coherent Senator, let alone a Senator at all, by Nov 2024. Damaging falls after 80 normally do not indicate a long life left...
Posted by: Nova Local

His henchcreeps of Thune and Ernst would do the same is my guess. McConnell has about 20 or so losers as his core of support. You can tell who they are by following votes that are apparently counter to what their constituents would want on things like nominations etc. The recent Garcetti vote is typical where 7 Gop Senators put that piece of trash in as ambassador to Japan despite serious problems with him as nominee.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:59 PM (r4qoG)

278 I don't think McConnell will still be a coherent Senator, let alone a Senator at all, by Nov 2024. Damaging falls after 80 normally do not indicate a long life left...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM

Yep and the first sings of dementia is balance loss. It doesn't take long after the falls start to go downhill fast.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 16, 2023 05:59 PM (ncXxy)

279 >>Problem is as usual, he would have to build his own national organization to do it like Obama's OFA. The GOP hates the idea because a lot of their current incumbents will get swept out and a lot of political consultants,and other campaign grifters will lose their jobs.

Well he does have a fairly large national organization already built and there are people like Scott Presler already out doing the groundwork. Will it work? Hard to say but there are a hell of a lot more people aware of what is going on than there were even 2 years ago let alone 4. And reforms are happening in some states.

Interesting Rasmussen poll out today. A majority of those polled from across the political spectrum think DC politicians worked to stop Trump from getting reelected. 55% of all polled, 67% of Republicans.

The left was able to at least build a plausible case for Biden's, ahem, unprecedented popularity. Ironically, it was because aside from the virus the country was doing pretty well. Biden or any Democrat won't have that going for them in 24.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 16, 2023 06:00 PM (ZLI7S)

280 I thought recruitment was down for all branches of service. Do they think folks will somehow feel it's their patriotic duty to die for Ukraine?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 16, 2023 06:00 PM (6lj/r)

281 > Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”

Stupid slag is going to rupture something. Also, ozone is a skin irritant. And if her ozone generator is running when she takes it out of her butt, it can cause some problems if she breathes it in, including shortness of breath and headaches. Ozone can also oxidize flaming materials, so if the dumb broad has a bunch of burning candles about, it can cause them to burn much more rapidly than normal.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 16, 2023 06:00 PM (V1QHJ)

282 What, no ozone up the keister for you?

Yeah...no mine is a exit only.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at March 16, 2023 06:01 PM (wagHN)

283 275 Suddenly when talk of Ukraine joining Nato started up, you bet they took umbrage.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

Absolutely. They have a right to secure their borders. Evidently, they knew what was coming and made the first move.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (DcKNO)

Yeah, it would be like if Russia invited Mexico to become part of their Collective Security Treaty Organization.... their current small version of NATO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:01 PM (oHd/0)

284 255 I have trouble mentally hearing a gay man being bellicose. But Graham seems to manage.
Posted by: N. Lurker
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See if you can find the ladybugs story floating around and after the nausea, you realize that Lindsay has been an actress all his life.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:01 PM (r4qoG)

285 Yep and the first sings of dementia is balance loss. It doesn't take long after the falls start to go downhill fast.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 16, 2023 05:59 PM (ncXxy)

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I honestly thought this about Biden. Can't believe he's lasted this long. The drugs, infusions, transfusions, and everything else they're doing are working.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 06:01 PM (DcKNO)

286 I thought recruitment was down for all branches of service. Do they think folks will somehow feel it's their patriotic duty to die for Ukraine?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 16, 2023 06:00 PM (6lj/r)

Someone needs to remind them how hard it would be to get our men there and supply them if we did. Because all the gloves would be off then.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:01 PM (eoQWY)

287 PSA for military officers who only honorably separated and did not retire. You can resign your commissions, and that will keep you from ever being called up again. There's really nothing to lose if you have no monetary benefits flowing your way anyway.

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (exHjb)

288 thought recruitment was down for all branches of service. Do they think folks will somehow feel it's their patriotic duty to die for Ukraine?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 16, 2023 06:00 PM (6lj/r)
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I suggest drafting sntifa and tell them there's such a thing as a battlefield timeout.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (2YtOq)

289 His henchcreeps of Thune and Ernst would do the same is my guess. McConnell has about 20 or so losers as his core of support. You can tell who they are by following votes that are apparently counter to what their constituents would want on things like nominations etc. The recent Garcetti vote is typical where 7 Gop Senators put that piece of trash in as ambassador to Japan despite serious problems with him as nominee.
Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 05:59 PM (r4qoG)

what the GOPe doesn't cop to is when they vote creeps like this

they allow some dims to hide behind a no vote

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (us2H3)

290 Posted by: bonhomme at March 16, 2023 06:00 PM (V1QHJ)

Ozone into her go zone? With her... prior... known sexual partners you know she does butt stuff.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (oHd/0)

291 Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

Speaking of Georgia, it's been noticed that there's "spontaneous protests" against the government going on there even after what supposedly started them, a Georgian bill requiring that media outlets and the like getting 20%+ of their funding from foreign sources have to register with the gov't, is no longer up for consideration. Has Victoria Nuland paid a visit to Georgia recently?

Posted by: Thrawn at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (Rl7KJ)

292 Ukraine and Belarus are Russia's door, buffer states and largely puppet states. Obama flipping the Ukrainian government in 2014 was what started everything down this path.

Belarus is part of a union with Russia since around 2000, but Ukraine is different. Western Ukrainians, many of whom are Greek Catholic, not Orthodox, resented Russian rule, especially since for many of them it came in the form of Soviet rule (they were part of the Austrian Empire and Poland before). Southern Ukrainians (whether they speak Russian or Ukrainian better), if they did not hate Russia before, have had a good reason since the Great Famine. Also, Putin's Russia is far from the paradise some want to see. Those who love Putin either have a poor historic memory or, more likely, are people who came to Ukraine after the Great Famine, and are nostalgic for Soviet times (the aged more than the young).
Ukraine has had this internal struggle for more than two decades, between the Western and SE parts.
Maybe Obama did an unwise thing, by not abandoning Ukrainians to Putin (as he abandoned the Iranians). I'd rather have had him support both, though, than none.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (84jHt)

293 Yeah, it would be like if Russia invited Mexico to become part of their Collective Security Treaty Organization.... their current small version of NATO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:01 PM (oHd/0)

Cuban Missile Crisis?

We had missiles in Turkey at the time, though we coincidentally pulled them out afterwards.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:03 PM (eoQWY)

294 278 I don't think McConnell will still be a coherent Senator, let alone a Senator at all, by Nov 2024. Damaging falls after 80 normally do not indicate a long life left...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 16, 2023 05:56 PM

still not close to fetterman territory

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 06:03 PM (us2H3)

295 "Saw a picture of her recently and she looks ill."

She's now realizing the shame of what she did with Harvey so he'd get her Oscar.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2023 06:03 PM (RqMSv)

296 one day , my friend

you will tire of being wrong

Posted by: REDACTED at March 16, 2023 05:58 PM (us2H3)

You are very convincing.

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 06:04 PM (BXxcV)

297 >>>Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”
Posted by: SMOD

>Ozone in your butthole. To preemptively freshen you farts before release. Maybe too much fiber in the vegan diet?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 16, 2023 06:04 PM (Jg7EG)

298 She's now realizing the shame of what she did with Harvey so he'd get her Oscar.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2023 06:03 PM (RqMSv)

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Yeah, that Oscar was bought and paid for. That was NOT an Oscar winning performance.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 06:05 PM (DcKNO)

299 271 19 men attached US on 9/11. 15 (!) of them were Saudi. So we invaded Iraq. How will this look 100, 200 years from now I wonder.
Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 05:57 PM (V13WU)

The still current War on Terror use of force authorization says we go after Al Q, and the Taliban, and their allies.

Uh... Taliban is now in charge of Afghanistan again, and we are in Africa, Syria, and still in Iraq...

How the hell does that Use of Force pertain to current operations?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:05 PM (oHd/0)

300 Put a phone in ya butt
put some ozone in ya butt
putt a candle in ya butt......

Posted by: Gwenith at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (NtVYv)

301 229 208 The USSR shot down a civilian airliner and Reagan did nothing.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (dKiJG)

Was that the one over the Black Sea area or the one over by Japan? Japan probably?

I'd forgotten about that.
Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (BD/yx)

They Did it twice remember the Malaysia airliner, Europe needs to step the Hell up.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (dKiJG)

302 Thee Agency, maybe. Not SOCOM. We need leadership changes, that's all.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 16, 2023 05:33 PM (M5z+9)

Nope. It's existence is the problem. As long as politicians think that they can get away with meddling in foreign problems without a large political cost, then they will. And that's what leads to trouble.

SOCOM gives them the illusion that they can send in a few "advisors" and ship a bunch of weapons, and everything will be good. It's how we end up funding "moderate" insurgent groups (read: ISIS/Al Qaeda) in Syria and Libya.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (wmDcS)

303 198 As a Jayhawk fan, we had to suffer through a quick interview with President Kamala to get her thoughts on watching her Alma mater, Howard playing in March.

She couldn't even put together a coherent response to softball questions about basketball. Confirms that outside of yellow school buses and venn diagrams, she is less useful than a wet sponge.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 16, 2023 05:41 PM (dzFFc)
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Is that one of Elaine's sponges? (Seinfeld)

Posted by: Ciampino -- red faces at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (qfLjt)

304 Red meat farts are G_d's way of letting you know you're living the good life.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (Jg7EG)

305 Speaking of Georgia, it's been noticed that there's "spontaneous protests" against the government going on there even after what supposedly started them, a Georgian bill requiring that media outlets and the like getting 20%+ of their funding from foreign sources have to register with the gov't, is no longer up for consideration. Has Victoria Nuland paid a visit to Georgia recently?
Posted by: Thrawn at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (Rl7KJ)

Just before Russia makes a big advance in the war there's coincidentally a distracting missile strike or pipeline explosion to cover it.

The bill would presumably have covered any tentacles Putin had in there as well, but it is telling that the protests don't want anyone to know the money pouring in there.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:07 PM (eoQWY)

306 I'm old enough to remember the GOPe opposed Reagan's election and resisted him second only to their resistance to Trump. these guys have always been assholes.

Posted by: x at March 16, 2023 06:07 PM (ZBPE2)

307 You heard it here first. Cindy McCain has been appointed head of the World Food Bank. What do you think is going to happen when there is no spring wheat crop in Ukraine?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 16, 2023 06:08 PM (l8RbF)

308 Ukraine has had this internal struggle for more than two decades, between the Western and SE parts.
Maybe Obama did an unwise thing, by not abandoning Ukrainians to Putin (as he abandoned the Iranians). I'd rather have had him support both, though, than none.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (84jHt)

Ukraine is only about 10% Greek Catholic.

Ukraine's government was overthrown in a coup by 2014 and hasn't had a unified election since.

Zelensky was elected on a platform of avoiding war with Russia and try to de-escalate from where Poro(our guy) had them.

Realistically the pro-"ukrainian revolution" side is arguing for a tyranny of what is at best a slim majority(and is probably not actually a majority). Splitting off the Russian parts of Ukraine in that case is not particularly negative.

Why was the US in 2014 determining who should be in the new post-revolution Ukrainian government?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 06:08 PM (eYoxG)

309 Oscar-winning actress and Goop founder Gwyneth Paltrow revealed in a recent interview that she inserts ozone up her butt for “wellness.”
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She needs to get out more.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 16, 2023 06:08 PM (fs1hN)

310 Nope. It's existence is the problem. As long as politicians think that they can get away with meddling in foreign problems without a large political cost, then they will. And that's what leads to trouble.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (wmDcS)

They need to invoke PJ ORourke's kidney rule. You advocate a secret op, you have to give up a kidney. So at least you only have 2 goes, even if it works.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:09 PM (eoQWY)

311 The way the US conducts warfare, even a small operation costs trillions. Something approaching WW3 and we'd be finished financially.

Hell, the Vietnam War is the single biggest reason why the US had to abandon the gold standard.

Posted by: Blago at March 16, 2023 06:09 PM (/BPw3)

312 Reagan Rule 2: If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.

We haven't fought like that in a major military intervention since WWII

Posted by: 18-1 at March 16, 2023 06:09 PM (lc5cP)

313 Zelensky was elected on a platform of avoiding war with Russia and try to de-escalate from where Poro(our guy) had them.

==

that went well....

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 06:09 PM (V13WU)

314 Maybe Obama did an unwise thing, by not abandoning Ukrainians to Putin (as he abandoned the Iranians). I'd rather have had him support both, though, than none.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (84jHt)

Or, as the Founding Fathers wrote in our founding documents... its up to the People to decide their form of government... and they have a right and duty to figure out their own destiny.

Not us getting involved and doing it for them. As a Cold Warrior who literally sailed around the world, I am becoming more and more isolationist... because we need to spend our energy fixing our shit, not trying to tell others how to live.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:10 PM (oHd/0)

315 Paltrow has ozone butt therapy and thinks it smells spring fresh. No that's just the smell of a lightning strike. So she should stick her butt in the air during a thunderstorm and blow her bunghole out with a lightning strike

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 16, 2023 06:10 PM (dDBj4)

316 He was a JAG and retired as a colonel after 33 years is what wikipedia says. It notes that he did brief stints of two weeks in Iraq and Afghanistan doing legal work for Uncle Sam.

***

In other words, he's seen less action than Mother Teresa.

Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2023 06:10 PM (wb1YC)

317 I'm old enough to remember the GOPe opposed Reagan's election and resisted him second only to their resistance to Trump. these guys have always been assholes.
Posted by: x at March 16, 2023 06:07 PM (ZBPE2)

Hell, they even did the "let's get a squishy VP to drag the president down as much as possible" gambit. Bush/ Pence

Posted by: Pug Mahon, One Must Look One's Best, Mustn't One at March 16, 2023 06:10 PM (UQUAY)

318 Speaking of Georgia, it's been noticed that there's "spontaneous protests" against the government going on there even after what supposedly started them, a Georgian bill requiring that media outlets and the like getting 20%+ of their funding from foreign sources have to register with the gov't, is no longer up for consideration. Has Victoria Nuland paid a visit to Georgia recently?

No idea, but I resent those who assure me that any pro-Western factions in a country that should naturally be in the Russian influence sphere are paid agents of the CIA and of the worldwide conspiracy, while the common people really love Comrade Putin and would never think of rebelling, it's just the bad elements among them, you see.

To me, these are communist slogans that I first heard about the manifestations in Piata Universitatii, in 1990 and 1991, when rumors were circulating that the protesters were paid by the Western (American) secret services (agenturile straine) with dollars and blue jeans.

Some things never change, Soviet/Communist propaganda among them.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:11 PM (84jHt)

319 Zelensky was elected on a platform of avoiding war with Russia and try to de-escalate from where Poro(our guy) had them.

He found he didn't control the NAZIs in Donbas either...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 16, 2023 06:11 PM (lc5cP)

320 They Did it twice remember the Malaysia airliner, Europe needs to step the Hell up.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (dKiJG)

Read a convincing enough article that Malaysia was a suicide pilot. Found his flight plan on his home computer.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:11 PM (eoQWY)

321 311 The way the US conducts warfare, even a small operation costs trillions. Something approaching WW3 and we'd be finished
Posted by: Blago at March 16, 2023 06:09 PM (/BPw3)
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We're already finished financially. WWIII would merely hasten the collapse.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at March 16, 2023 06:11 PM (2YtOq)

322 306 I'm old enough to remember the GOPe opposed Reagan's election and resisted him second only to their resistance to Trump. these guys have always been assholes.
Posted by: x
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They stuck Reagan with Bush I as Veep when Reagan much preferred Paul Laxalt from Nevada as Veep. Even at the convention, they wanted to stick Ford on the ticket as Veep that actually ran the show.

When you understand politics as the story of crime families and clientelism, you can understand modern American politics.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:12 PM (r4qoG)

323 Hell, they even did the "let's get a squishy VP to drag the president down as much as possible" gambit. Bush/ Pence
Posted by: Pug Mahon, One Must Look One's Best, Mustn't One at March 16, 2023 06:10 PM (UQUAY)

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The more I hear about the Bush Family (political) the more I see them as evil. You can bet that George W's dad as the head of the CIA had something to do with JFK's death.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 16, 2023 06:12 PM (DcKNO)

324 301 229 208 The USSR shot down a civilian airliner and Reagan did nothing.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 05:43 PM (dKiJG)

Was that the one over the Black Sea area or the one over by Japan? Japan probably?

I'd forgotten about that.
Posted by: Synova at March 16, 2023 05:46 PM (BD/yx)

They Did it twice remember the Malaysia airliner, Europe needs to step the Hell up.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at March 16, 2023 06:06 PM (dKiJG)
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Wasn't the Malaysian Air Flight 17 shot down over Ukraine?

Posted by: Ciampino -- red faces at March 16, 2023 06:12 PM (qfLjt)

325 "And he fired a cruise missile at Qadaffi."

That is just grossly wrong. First look up the Gulf of Sidra incident in 1981. And then the huge FB-111 bombing raid on Qadaffi's HQ and homes after the Berlin disco bombing of US troops, in 1986.

It was Clinton that lobbed a cruise missile at an aspirin factory.

Posted by: rayra at March 16, 2023 06:12 PM (jj9g0)

326 In other words, he's seen less action than Mother Teresa.
Posted by: Azathoth
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His after action reports of his love life are not printable in polite society.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:14 PM (r4qoG)

327 You heard it here first. Cindy McCain has been appointed head of the World Food Bank. What do you think is going to happen when there is no spring wheat crop in Ukraine?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 16, 2023 06:08 PM (l8RbF)

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"Let them eat the beer!"

Posted by: ShainS -- The Abolition of The West is from Men Without Chests at March 16, 2023 06:14 PM (T+WxX)

328 >>> 307 You heard it here first. Cindy McCain has been appointed head of the World Food Bank. What do you think is going to happen when there is no spring wheat crop in Ukraine?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 16, 2023 06:08 PM (l8RbF)

*buuuuurrrp*

Hey, I was hungry!!

Posted by: Cindy McCain at March 16, 2023 06:14 PM (llON8)

329 Wasn't the Malaysian Air Flight 17 shot down over Ukraine?
Posted by: Ciampino -- red faces at March 16, 2023 06:12 PM (qfLjt)

Oh that one. Wasn't the Russians though from most reports.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:14 PM (eoQWY)

330 Hell, they even did the "let's get a squishy VP to drag the president down as much as possible" gambit. Bush/ Pence
Posted by: Pug Mahon

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There's always an excuse for why Trump did what he did...except its never Trump to blame.

Trump could have done what he wanted in terms of a VP. If the GOPe had any power, they would have made sure Trump never got the nom in the first place.

Posted by: Blago at March 16, 2023 06:14 PM (/BPw3)

331 @312 We haven't fought like that in a major military intervention since WWII

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We did in Korea. There was a clear intent to reunify the country, and it almost happened. The reason why we didn't was the Chinese intervention.

Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 06:15 PM (hmjTa)

332 Pappy Bush was deep Deep State.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, One Must Look One's Best, Mustn't One at March 16, 2023 06:15 PM (UQUAY)

333 What do you think is going to happen when there is no spring wheat crop in Ukraine?

****

Well, thanks to current decision making, there's a lot less mouths to feed.

Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2023 06:15 PM (wb1YC)

334
We did in Korea. There was a clear intent to reunify the country, and it almost happened. The reason why we didn't was the Chinese intervention.

We did for the first year or so.

Then we spent the next 3 getting Americans killed for no good reason.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 16, 2023 06:16 PM (lc5cP)

335 310 Nope. It's existence is the problem. As long as politicians think that they can get away with meddling in foreign problems without a large political cost, then they will. And that's what leads to trouble.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile
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It is at heart a collective action problem where those who benefit and those that bear the costs are totally separate.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:16 PM (r4qoG)

336 >>> 314 Maybe Obama did an unwise thing, by not abandoning Ukrainians to Putin (as he abandoned the Iranians). I'd rather have had him support both, though, than none.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:02 PM (84jHt)

Or, as the Founding Fathers wrote in our founding documents... its up to the People to decide their form of government... and they have a right and duty to figure out their own destiny.

Not us getting involved and doing it for them. As a Cold Warrior who literally sailed around the world, I am becoming more and more isolationist... because we need to spend our energy fixing our shit, not trying to tell others how to live.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:10 PM (oHd/0)

Didn't those same Founding Fathers also say we should stay the fck out of "foreign entanglements"?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 16, 2023 06:16 PM (llON8)

337 I just read the Bulwark story. Amanda Carpenter is a c-word and she's never been a good talent.

That is all.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 16, 2023 06:17 PM (d2bW3)

338 Some things never change, Soviet/Communist propaganda among them.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:11 PM (84jHt)

Uh, you do know that Radio Free Europe which changed its name to Radio Liberty, is still government funded and broadcasts into that area of the World?

We should not be throwing stones.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:18 PM (oHd/0)

339 Wasn't the Malaysian Air Flight 17 shot down over Ukraine?
Posted by: Ciampino -- red faces at March 16, 2023 06:12 PM (qfLjt)

Oh that one. Wasn't the Russians though from most reports.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:14 PM (eoQWY)

Uke missile. That went away pretty quickly after transponders were decoded.

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 06:18 PM (V13WU)

340 337 I just read the Bulwark story. Amanda Carpenter is a c-word and she's never been a good talent.

That is all.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 16, 2023 06:17 PM (d2bW3)
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Notice how she was all-in for Team Cruz and a real conservative riiiiight up to the point where she took a selfie from her hotel room at CPAC in a slinky dress with a strip of condoms on the bed next to her...and her husband wasn't in attendance at CPAC.

They had her after that. She will do what she's told.

Posted by: ballistic at March 16, 2023 06:19 PM (oXNqT)

341 332 Pappy Bush was deep Deep State.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, One Must Look One's Best, Mustn't One at March 16, 2023 06:15 PM (UQUAY)

Father of, IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2023 06:19 PM (oHd/0)

342 Having spent some time around Lindsey Graham - he's a diminutive little pussy with a Napoleon complex. He's also not very bright.

Posted by: ballistic at March 16, 2023 06:20 PM (oXNqT)

343 The ~~Neocons~~ Politicians Lie ~~When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."~~

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 16, 2023 06:20 PM (llON8)

344 So....Joe Sanctions and that idiot Milley think a few dozen M1 Abrams and Leopard tanks and a few dozen Polish F-16s are going to carry Z-Man's army to victory? Along with all the 155mm artillery ammo left in the entire US stockpile? What a frickin' mess.

Posted by: Gref at March 16, 2023 06:20 PM (AMIL/)

345 342 Having spent some time around Lindsey Graham - he's a diminutive little pussy with a Napoleon complex. He's also not very bright.
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You're mistaken about him. He's a genius!
- Hannity

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 16, 2023 06:21 PM (fs1hN)

346 NOOD

Posted by: It's me donna at March 16, 2023 06:21 PM (bs+z0)

347 Didn't those same Founding Fathers also say we should stay the fck out of "foreign entanglements"?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Re Washington's Farewell Address, Adams resolving the ABC affair peaceably, and Jefferson's ardent desire to avoid getting caught up with the Napoleonic Wars sweeping Europe. JQ Adams, John's son, penned a powerful admonition that while we are friends of liberty everywhere, we are guardians only of our own.

WWII, the Cold War, and treaty mania thrust us willy nilly into the current American imperium trading empire that require legions to be involved in peripheral wars endlessly lest our client states turn against us.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:21 PM (r4qoG)

348 The neocons are have trotted out all of their perennial Yankee Doodle Dandy schtick for a while now. Amazing how many get on board as always. Maybe this time they will be more transparent, and fewer will bite.

Posted by: tubal at March 16, 2023 06:21 PM (PCK5/)

349 336
Didn't those same Founding Fathers also say we should stay the fck out of "foreign entanglements"?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 16, 2023 06:16 PM (llON

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THAT!

Posted by: Ciampino -- red faces at March 16, 2023 06:21 PM (qfLjt)

350 They had her after that. She will do what she's told.

Posted by: ballistic at March 16, 2023 06:19 PM (oXNqT)

Or Teddy Cruz isn't all he's cracked up to be. Good to know she doesn't like DeSantis.

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2023 06:22 PM (BXxcV)

351
1,2,3,4
We don't want your f***ing war

Posted by: DB - grabbing the bullhorn at March 16, 2023 06:22 PM (geLO8)

352 "Ukraine is only about 10% Greek Catholic."
If this is the case, it is because of heavy persecution by the communists (who tolerated the Orthodox, but not the Catholics) and even before that, under the Russian Empire, which wasn't exactly friendly to Catholicism either. Even though I am Orthodox, I hope this trend will be reversed in the future. At least in Romania, some Greek Catholics are getting their churches back (which had been confiscated by the communists and given to the Orthodox). I find the treatment of Catholics by the communists even more shameful than the Catholics' attempts to re-unite the churches by force after the 4th Crusade.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:22 PM (84jHt)

353 So....Joe Sanctions and that idiot Milley think a few dozen M1 Abrams and Leopard tanks and a few dozen Polish F-16s are going to carry Z-Man's army to victory? Along with all the 155mm artillery ammo left in the entire US stockpile? What a frickin' mess.
Posted by: Gref at March 16, 2023 06:20 PM (AMIL/)

go measure the front line of the Russian Ukraine border and tell me how many miles per tank that is going to be. Even if the Abrahms is immortal and invincible there's too much there there. They can just bypass and move on.

Not to mention they eat avgas by the cartload and the transport lines in the country is borked up.

Only good thing is that odds are we never get around to sending any Abrams tanks there.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2023 06:23 PM (eoQWY)

354 342 Having spent some time around Lindsey Graham - he's a diminutive little pussy with a Napoleon complex. He's also not very bright.
Posted by: ballistic
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Really bright people like Patrick Moynihan are always constrained by DC idiots and the decline of the Southern Democrats in safe seats eviscerated a check on the Democrat's destructive neo-Wilsonian warmaking.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:23 PM (r4qoG)

355 All that talk of equipment going to the Ukes...how long does it take to make one Abrams tank ? Two years. And that is after all budget approvals and funds releases, all the bureaucracy. Winner ? Defense contractors of course !

Posted by: runner at March 16, 2023 06:24 PM (V13WU)

356 No idea, but I resent those who assure me that any pro-Western factions in a country that should naturally be in the Russian influence sphere are paid agents of the CIA and of the worldwide conspiracy, while the common people really love Comrade Putin and would never think of rebelling, it's just the bad elements among them, you see.

Some things never change, Soviet/Communist propaganda among them.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:11 PM (84jHt)

Even with huge portions of the Russian population no longer voting due to trying to break away, Ukraine voted for lower, not higher tensions with Russia.

There is clearly an aggressively anti-Russian part of their country(which seems to wield disproportionate power and have close ties to the US government), but that is by no means a majority position within the non-Russian population.

What is the benefit to Ukrainians to go to war with Russia in order to join NATO?

What is the change that the revolutionary government brought that was so sought after as to damage their relation with Russia (a closely entwined business partner with many people having family there)? The main change we have seen is deRussification.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 06:24 PM (eYoxG)

357 @339 Uke missile. That went away pretty quickly after transponders were decoded.

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The Russians blamed it on a Ukrainian fighter (ignoring that the Ukrainian version of that fighter couldn't fly high enough, unlike the Russian version). The consensus was ultimately that it was a Russian air defense system given to the separatists that did the shoot down of Air Malaysia Flight 17.

Posted by: junior at March 16, 2023 06:24 PM (hmjTa)

358 352 "Ukraine is only about 10% Greek Catholic."
If this is the case, it is because of heavy persecution by the communists (who tolerated the Orthodox, but not the Catholics) and even before that, under the Russian Empire, which wasn't exactly friendly to Catholicism either. Even though I am Orthodox, I hope this trend will be reversed in the future. At least in Romania, some Greek Catholics are getting their churches back (which had been confiscated by the communists and given to the Orthodox). I find the treatment of Catholics by the communists even more shameful than the Catholics' attempts to re-unite the churches by force after the 4th Crusade.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:22 PM (84jHt)

The Catholicism is from the days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the west part of Ukraine used to be part of Lithuania. Much of the rest of the region had long been Orthodox, Kiev being a major center of Orthodoxy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 16, 2023 06:26 PM (eYoxG)

359 Notice how she was all-in for Team Cruz and a real conservative riiiiight up to the point where she took a selfie from her hotel room at CPAC in a slinky dress with a strip of condoms on the bed next to her...and her husband wasn't in attendance at CPAC.

They had her after that. She will do what she's told.
Posted by: ballistic
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Thirsty men seeking thots is a problem as far as infiltration and has been for all of history.

Most thots are simply taking bids for their virtue.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:26 PM (r4qoG)

360 Didn't those same Founding Fathers also say we should stay the fck out of "foreign entanglements"?

Those noble feelings did not survive their generation, as the War of 1812 and the Mexican War show.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:26 PM (84jHt)

361 @107, 164 After seeing the video, the Su-27 pilot screwed up and mushed into the drone. The drone prop likely clipped one of the flanker's tail surfaces.

Basically when you're going really slow, you need to have more angle of attack on the wing to generate the same lift. Not enough speed and AoA and you drop even if you're nose up. Slam the throttle forward on a jet at low speed and, first it takes a bit to spin up, and even when it does, you don't get a lot of acceleration until you're going faster. (Unlike car engines the power of a jet is a function of the thrust and the current air speed: slow == less power).

It's a great way to impact something

And if he had nose tapped the drone, he would be wearing it home. There's no such thing as a "gentle tap" when your stall speed is higher than their cruise speed.

Posted by: Voyager at March 16, 2023 06:28 PM (u5PZm)

362 But there is money to be made in foreign wars

Posted by: Skip at March 16, 2023 06:29 PM (xhxe8)

363 What is the benefit to Ukrainians to go to war with Russia in order to join NATO?

Do you really buy the Russian propaganda that Ukrainians wanted the war, not Putin?

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:29 PM (84jHt)

364 Or Teddy Cruz isn't all he's cracked up to be. Good to know she doesn't like DeSantis.
Posted by: ...
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Cruz posed as the anti-Bush but other than speechifying and twittering, has done little to challenge the McConnell GOPe core of the Senate.

Rand is more genuine and even he is pretty careful and has the freedom from McConnell that his own private campaign donor funding network gives him.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:29 PM (r4qoG)

365 360 Didn't those same Founding Fathers also say we should stay the fck out of "foreign entanglements"?

Those noble feelings did not survive their generation, as the War of 1812 and the Mexican War show.
Posted by: PG
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The first was caused by Madison taking himself too seriously as chief clerk and he refrained from using his influence to stomp on his Warhawk party colleagues in the House and Senate. It was a pointless and needless war for both the US and Great Britain as GB had already decided to resolve the impressment issue peaceably but the time lag via ships took too long for that to cross the Atlantic.

The second can be laid at the door of James K Polk. Polk was arguably a better president than Madison was but the war expanded the territory of the Southwest to slavery and cotton production and undid the Missouri Compromise that covered the Louisiana Purchase territories.

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:34 PM (r4qoG)

366 The Catholicism is from the days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the west part of Ukraine used to be part of Lithuania. Much of the rest of the region had long been Orthodox, Kiev being a major center of Orthodoxy.

The Catholicism is indeed from the days of the Commonwealth. Kiev is indeed a major center of Orthodoxy. At the time of the Counterreformation, Catholics, in their zeal, tried again to make the Orthodox convert to Catholicism. They succeeded to some extent. The Kiev metropolitan I think was Catholic for a couple of decades at most.

I don't see your point. Do you see Putin as the defender of the One True Faith, sticking it to the Catholics? To me, Catholics' resistance to communism is admirable.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:34 PM (84jHt)

367 I don't see your point. Do you see Putin as the defender of the One True Faith, sticking it to the Catholics? To me, Catholics' resistance to communism is admirable.
Posted by: PG
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For the most part, rational discussion on this issue is difficult here with some supporting Russia and others Ukraine and the limited posting format limits discussions to pithy quotes instead of reasoned arguments (it was adopted as an antitroll measure where a guy kept posting the entire thread over and over again as an annoyance and cost to Ace).

Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:37 PM (r4qoG)

368 Those noble feelings did not survive their generation, as the War of 1812 and the Mexican War show.
Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:26 PM (84jHt)

1812 wasn't a foreign entanglement. The Brits were capturing and enslaving American sailors for their navy.

Posted by: Sjg at March 16, 2023 06:38 PM (Lstct)

369 Posted by: whig at March 16, 2023 06:34 PM (r4qoG)

Just like the Founders' idea that their new Republic should have no parties and all politicians should be motivated by public spirit, just like their method for choosing the Vice President, which was motivated by the same thought (that all factions should unite and leave their factionalism aside), the idea that USA should have no foreign entanglements did not work out and was soon abandoned as impractical.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:39 PM (84jHt)

370 Gov. Ron DeSantis: So how long did you serve in the US military Former President Trump?

Good night folks, see you in November.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 16, 2023 05:18 PM (DMyTF)

"Ronnie, if you're not Lieutenant Harmon Rabb or his cute WM fiancee, no one cares that you were in the JAG Corps. Even John Kerry had more trigger time than you. Get outta here with ya Harvahd mouth."

Posted by: trev006 at March 16, 2023 06:40 PM (ZHmVq)

371 1812 wasn't a foreign entanglement.

As far as I read, 1812 was a reflection of the Francophile party (mostly Republicans) defeating the Anglophile party (mostly Federalists) in internal US politics. The US had had a pro-French orientation for some time already, as shown by the Louisiana purchase. The British were less than pleased.
To the extent the US had a Francophile and an Anglophile party and the Francophile party imposed its views, the 1812 War was a foreign entanglement.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:45 PM (84jHt)

372 THIS JUST IN: there's been a run on the World Food Bank,and all indicators point to Megan's feedbag.

Posted by: Regular joe at March 16, 2023 06:51 PM (nnp+f)

373 Uh, you do know that Radio Free Europe which changed its name to Radio Liberty, is still government funded and broadcasts into that area of the World?

We should not be throwing stones.

I know (by name and reputation) the people who broadcast for Radio Free Europe in my native language and respect them.
Again, I resent being told that communists really represent the will of the people.

Posted by: PG at March 16, 2023 06:52 PM (84jHt)

374 Voodoo foreign policy

Posted by: Oglebay at March 16, 2023 07:08 PM (wscPk)

375 Things really seem to have taken a turn for the worse since the loss of the steady and informative eye of Tater.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 16, 2023 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

376 I guess nobody remembers that I advocated establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, which would have had us shooting down Russian warplanes.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 16, 2023 09:50 PM (S6ArX)

377 It's a little late in the game for handwringing now Ace. You were pro-Ukraine for the first 6 months. Hey...here's an idea... next time the early stages of a World War is in the making and you, Dildo Dave, and Miss Hummer have the choice of supporting a demented old man and his corrupt deep state cronies OR other, pick OTHER. You're welcome. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. There are no do-overs in conservative land anymore.

Posted by: NipsyRussel at March 16, 2023 09:52 PM (eRBEP)

378 Every heterosexual male member on my fathers side of the family served. I was maybe 9, and we were asked what we wanted to do when we grew up. My answer was so obvious, that my best friend Jerry said. "Doug (that's my name) was born for the military like me."

And boom, 10 years later I was a Marine, in case you hadn't heard, and I will NOT recommend service to any of my little cousins, or nephews, or anyone. The nation and the services have betrayed almost half of my family and myself.

Find your own army, I ain't joining.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 16, 2023 10:22 PM (+DF+H)

379 And It's fucking heartbreaking, as I'm sure it is for other people who were true believers as they served. The thing I loved most, other than my wife, has broken all of the trust that I offered it, and it's fucking WRONG!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 16, 2023 10:23 PM (+DF+H)

380 Wickedpinto
That is indeed wrong. I respect and thank your family's military heritage.

Posted by: NipsyRussel at March 16, 2023 11:05 PM (6WeaW)

381 Thanks Nipsy.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 17, 2023 01:11 AM (+DF+H)

382 Another story. My fathers grandfathers, immigrated to the US at about the same time 1912 ish, I'm not possitive. One came over from germany, the other from Italy, there were several brothers (great uncles) and they all served. German and Italian Immigrants to the US 30 years later went to war with the very nations they left, the nations that birthed them, but fuckit, they are American.

I would hate to be the one that tells them how that all worked out.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 17, 2023 01:14 AM (+DF+H)

383 Sorry, their Son's went to war, my bad.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 17, 2023 01:16 AM (+DF+H)

384 And Nipsy. I'm pro Ukraine, but it's THEIR fight. I'm all for supplying them everything they are willing to pay for, not laundering money through their regime to pay off our "leaders."

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The Neocons Lie When They Say They're Promoting "Regan's Rules."
Reagan's Rules Were Nearly the Complete Opposite of What They're Pushing.