Lee Smith: Seymour Hersh's Alleged Scoop on Biden's Demolition of the Nord Stream Pipeline Is a Big Miss

Smith doubts Sy Hersh's purported exposee -- doubting that Biden has the competence or the balls to attack a nuclear-armed nation.

He reminds us that this is the guy who urged Obama not to take out Bin Ladin.

Maybe the U.S. really did sabotage Russian pipelines, but it sure didn't happen the way Hersh describes it. Maybe it was the Russians who did it to themselves, or perhaps it was those with seemingly the strongest motive for hitting Vladimir Putin, the Ukrainians. There is not enough evidence yet to know. But we do know enough about Biden's public record to judge the story's premise, never mind its absurd details, as questionable.
As Vice President, Biden warned against killing Osama bin Laden, even with an elite Navy SEAL team tasked for the mission. But as president he ordered Navy regulars to blow up the piggy bank of a state with a large nuclear arsenal? Biden let a Chinese spy balloon tour the American homeland, crossing over several sensitive sites, but he sucker-punched Putin in Russia's backyard? Hard as it may be to believe, the big takeaway from the piece is just that: Joe Biden is one tough hombre. To conclude, Hersh writes:

The source had a much more streetwise view of Biden's decision to sabotage more than 1500 miles of Gazprom pipeline as winter approached. "Well," he said, speaking of the President, "I gotta admit the guy has a pair of balls.He said he was going to do it, and he did."
Hersh's source wanted readers to believe that despite seeming like a pensioner in steep cognitive decline, Biden is such a hard-charging defender of democracy that he bested even Putin in the black arts. Americans, thank your lucky stars that your security is in the rough-hewn hands of Dark Brandon.
One former senior intelligence official I spoke with described the Hersh piece as "Steele Dossier-quality garbage." Journalists say the Hersh story was rejected by several publications before he decided to publish it on his own Substack. The issue was apparently that the story was single-sourced, but the real problem seems to be something else.

Smith notes that Sy Hersh has a long hitory of being an easy mark for a "source" with a sensationalistic, but completely fictional, story to tell. See the story for the details on the much-bamboozled Sy Hersh.

He documents more Hersh blunders before noting that the leftwing media publishes Hersch's dubious claims when they advance Regime interests -- such as undermining Republican presidents -- but then get a case of We Need More Than One Source when his claims threaten a Democrat.

It appears that editors will support Hersh's work when it serves the interests of the party they support, the Democrats, whether those stories are true or not.

Smith says that Hersch is deliberately, or grossly negligently, misquoting Biden at a press conference to claim that Biden essentially admitted he intended to blow up the pipeline.

Hersh's framework is wrong. To advance the theory that Biden sabotaged the pipelines, he cites as evidence a press conference in which the president boasted that he'd terminate Nord Stream 2. Hersh's source claims Biden had said "that we knew how to do it" -- i.e., destroy the pipeline.
But Biden didn't say that. Hersh was too lazy to do his own fact-checking, even though he links to a video of the press conference. Biden said that if the Russians invade, "we will bring an end to it." After a reporter asked how that was possible since NS2 is a German project, Biden said "I promise you we will be able to do it."

I dunno. While Hersh is guilty of getting the wording wrong, that still shows Biden talking about "ending" the pipeline.

Perhaps he meant through sanctions. But maybe he didn't mean that.

In one of the weakest and lefty-conspiracy-theorist parts of Hersch's piece, he claimed that Biden and America had always wanted to stop the pipeline. The implication Hersh makes is that the American security establishment was always looking for a reason to blow up the pipelines, and just seized upon the invasion of Ukraine as a pretext to do it.

He doesn't actually say that but the implication is thick as bubblegum.

And this, it should be noted, tracks perfectly with the lefty reading of the Global War on Terror -- America had always had a plan to take over the Islamic world. 9/11 was just the pretext we needed to do so. (Which gives rise to the next conspiracy theory: that America actually permitted, or even executed, 9/11 just so that we could put our "invade-the-Islamic-world' plans into action.)

The fact that this story confirms Sy Hersh's paranoid beliefs about the American security apparatus almost certainly made Hersh eager to believe it, even with only a single source telling him this tale.

That's my own complaint about Hersch. Smith rebuts Hersch's claim that Biden was "always" looking for a reason to stop the pipeline. Indeed, he points out that Trump laid sanctions against the pipeline -- which Biden undid.

That's not "always" being opposed to the pipeline.

For the Germans, the prospect of extending their industrial domination for another generation was so heady that when Trump warned at the 2018 U.N. general assembly that Germany would soon become entirely dependent on Russian energy unless it changed course, German diplomats laughed haughtily. Trump was referring to Nord Stream 2. But because NS2 promised to shower wealth and prestige on Merkel's patrons and clients, the Biden White House lifted sanctions and gilded the outgoing chancellor's [Angela Merkel's] career.

Smith points out that while ultrahawk Victoria Nuland opposed the pipeline, Biden obviously did not, as he undid Trump's sanctions that were preventing its completion.

He says that Biden's Tough Guy talk about "ending" Nord Stream 2 was intended to defend his previous decision to end Trump's sanctions and permit the pipeline -- claiming that he could stop it at any time. Smith disputes the reading that Biden was promising to actually demolish the pipeline.

Outside of a few reporters from conservative outfits, the press treats him like a kindly grandfather in his dotage. He's not used to real questions. So when asked to answer one, he snapped back in characteristic fashion, with tough talk --"I promise you we will be able to do it." It seems that all he meant was that the U.S. would reimpose sanctions. But as even Ukrainian president Volodomyr Zelensky had told the White House, sanctions would be worthless after a Russian invasion. By lifting sanctions on NS2, Biden had forfeited the only deterrence he had to keep the Russians from crossing the border, and even the pro-Biden press knew it. So Biden resorted to empty threats--Just let Putin try it.

Smith concludes that Trump was right about needing to keep sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and Biden was wrong to lift them. And that Biden's lifting of the sanctions was in fact what permitted Putin to invade Ukraine, because Putin believed that the pipeline guaranteed that Europe would be dependent on Russian natural gas, and that Europe would therefore reluctantly bless Russia's annexation of that country.

His conclusion:

There is indeed a scandal that involves Biden and Russian pipelines, but it's not the one Seymour Hersh wrote about. It's simply this: a venal and careless old man was so obsessed with undoing his predecessor's work that he greenlighted a war in Europe with consequences that are likely to impact how Americans live for years to come.

Read the whole thing, which is general advice for any Lee Smith column.

I don't know, though. The story Hersh's single source told him is very detailed, which makes it, as Tucker Carlson said, "impossible to not be true."

But someone could have just made up his own theory about how it was done, making guesses about bombs being planted during the naval wargames, and tossing in other plausible details ("Norway did the scouting for where to plant the bombs") which, while plausible, were in fact entirely invented, and then sold this to Hersh as facts, when in fact it's all just speculation plus a couple of weeks' research for plausible background details.

Commenters here pointed out, very incisively*, "Dracula is 'very detailed' too -- does that make it true as well?"

* I didn't even intend that toothsome pun.

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2023 04:50 PM (T4tVD)

2 If you asked this regime, they'd say it was done by Jan 6ers.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 17, 2023 04:52 PM (ynpvh)

3 I notified de Udders !

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2023 04:52 PM (T4tVD)

4 This was my reasoning for doubting Hersh's story, as I expressed in the comments here. Joey Shitpants never had the balls and certainly doesn’t now.

Posted by: Elric Blade at February 17, 2023 04:53 PM (wPEdt)

5 One thing that makes such issues difficult to figure is the fact that Biden does NOT make any of the decisions. Whether or not Biden has ANY balls or competence doesn't even factor into consideration.

Biden's ONLY job is to read the teleprompter and try not to shit himself in public.

It's the Pretorian Guard that's running the empire.

Posted by: Hereogar at February 17, 2023 04:53 PM (fZN3f)

6 so we are back to the Rooskies cut their own dicks off

alrighty

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 04:53 PM (us2H3)

7 Biden's ONLY job is to read the teleprompter and try not to shit himself in public.

One out of two ain't bad

Posted by: Call sign Charlie at February 17, 2023 04:54 PM (og5mY)

8 On the other hand Biden was the only person in the Obama/Biden administration who wanted to send offensive weapons to Ukraine so it's not like he's a dove.

Two things can be true, Hersh's account might be a bit off and Biden did indeed participate in blowing up the pipelines. It sure as hell didn't blow itself up.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 17, 2023 04:55 PM (ZLI7S)

9 6 so we are back to the Rooskies cut their own dicks off

alrighty
Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 04:53 PM (us2H3)

Why can't Britain ever get any credit, when they've been so lock step with Ukraine since the get go.

They should go with a "no respect" tagline...

That said, I also believe the US totally knew the Brits were gonna do it...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 17, 2023 04:55 PM (exHjb)

10 Hmmm. I said before that our... fixation on saying the US did this or the Germans did that is fallacious.

These technocrats do not give a fig about nationality. They mean to rule over all the peasants, regardless of their nation of origin.

So all it really takes is enough people who have control of enough aspects of a government to do things. It does not matter which 'nation' those assets came from, and indeed that may be intentionally misleading.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 04:55 PM (zZu0s)

11
Uncle Joe is not running this show, so whether he had the balls or not doesn't matter.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (Mzdiz)

12 Maybe FJB doesn't have the balls to do it, but the Kalorama and Davos cartels sure do.

Ol' Joe ain't deciding shit.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (BdMk6)

13 One thing that makes such issues difficult to figure is the fact that Biden does NOT make any of the decisions. Whether or not Biden has ANY balls or competence doesn't even factor into consideration.

Biden's ONLY job is to read the teleprompter and try not to shit himself in public.

It's the Pretorian Guard that's running the empire.
Posted by: Hereogar at February 17, 2023 04:53 PM (fZN3f)

No, its one of several different Praetorian guards - State, Neocons, CIA, FBI, Liberal Nutjobs depending on who wins on any particular day.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (eoQWY)

14 I think I'm down to 2 possibilities:
1. Russian industrial incompetence
2. US involvement

I don't have enough information to pick between either one, and I probably never will.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (UuD2k)

15 "It's not like Joe to do something that takes balls" is not a strong counter argument. If you look at it from the perspective that everything Joe does or doesn't do is the stupidest choice, it's perfectly consistent.

Posted by: A Few Ol' Federales at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (nfrXX)

16 Have any of the central figures in this (i.e., the countries most impacted or connected) expressed any desire to figure out what happened?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (KbCG3)

17 Yeah, OK, but how does all this help my Yankees?

Tell me that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (Irn0L)

18 Chinese spy balloon > OH toxic mushroom cloud > Nordstream pipeline

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (v0R5T)

19 No, its one of several different Praetorian guards - State, Neocons, CIA, FBI, Liberal Nutjobs depending on who wins on any particular day.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (eoQWY)

Yeah, Sejanus in this case is a bunch of WEF fuckers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (zZu0s)

20 Ah, getting buried nice and deep.

Next they will pack the black tarmacadam over it to make sure it stays buried.

"And the future looked as bright and as clear as
The black tarmacadam..."

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (R/m4+)

21 /sock

Posted by: Oddbob at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (nfrXX)

22 Until more is known, it's an op.

Posted by: Eromero at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (MF3yS)

23 Biden said that if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, no $1 billion aid check.
Fact check: True
Biden said he didn't need our votes to win the election. Fact check: True
Biden said that if Russia invaded Ukraine the Nordstream pipeline would "end". "...we will end it."
Fact check: True

Posted by: gourmand du jour, gimpy edition at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (jTmQV)

24 Old man balls are no good anyway.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (v0R5T)

25 16 Have any of the central figures in this (i.e., the countries most impacted or connected) expressed any desire to figure out what happened?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (KbCG3)

No, no they have not. Except for Russia, every other country is silent and uninterested.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

26 Back in olden days; i.e., 2020, I thought no intelligent person could support Biden because his obvious deficiencies plus his chimp with a machine gun speaking style might cause him to blunder us into WWIII.

Ahhh, was I ever so young?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (FVME7)

27 All of this assumes Biden is actually making decisions.

Posted by: adam at February 17, 2023 04:59 PM (o9tIL)

28 That said, I also believe the US totally knew the Brits were gonna do it...
Posted by: Nova Local at February 17, 2023 04:55 PM (exHjb)

Brits don't have the projection to do it alone, and anyone who did it without our permission would risk us looking into it and putting down a hammer.

Now, Brits doing dirty work rather than Hersh's Norweigans? Sure, and it would explain the 'leak' from Liz Truss.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 04:59 PM (eoQWY)

29 I am sure the 87,000 new irs agents will straighten this all out in due time. Hey maybe Durham will help also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 04:59 PM (Irn0L)

30 All of Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles are very detailed.
Harry Potter books are very detailed.
Tom Clancy's novels... Details everywhere!
From Earth to the Moon.. Ultra detailed!

There's a lot of detail in some fiction!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (Wy1BU)

31 All of this assumes Biden is actually making decisions.
Posted by: adam at February 17, 2023 04:59 PM (o9tIL)
........

besides mint chocolate chip or strawberry.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (v0R5T)

32 16 Have any of the central figures in this (i.e., the countries most impacted or connected) expressed any desire to figure out what happened?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (KbCG3)

No, no they have not. Except for Russia, every other country is silent and uninterested.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

They aren't even interested in hearing the *results* of the investigation Sweden actually did do. Those are secret, although they did clear the Russians IIRC.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (eoQWY)

33 If only Comrade Durham knew!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (Irn0L)

34 32 16 Have any of the central figures in this (i.e., the countries most impacted or connected) expressed any desire to figure out what happened?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 17, 2023 04:57 PM (KbCG3)

No, no they have not. Except for Russia, every other country is silent and uninterested.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (UuD2k)

They aren't even interested in hearing the *results* of the investigation Sweden actually did do. Those are secret, although they did clear the Russians IIRC.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (eoQWY)

Was wondering about this. I didn't know who was investigating or what it produced.

So, much like with Covid, a collective yawn from the globe.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 17, 2023 05:01 PM (KbCG3)

35 Brandon's balls were cut off by Occam's Razor.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 17, 2023 05:01 PM (nnp+f)

36 He documents more Hersh blunders before noting that the leftwing media publishes Hersch's dubious claims when they advance Regime interests -- such as undermining Republican presidents -- but then get a case of We Need More Than One Source when his claims threaten a Democrat.

It appears that editors will support Hersh's work when it serves the interests of the party they support, the Democrats, whether those stories are true or not.

Smith says that Hersch is deliberately, or grossly negligently, misquoting Biden at a press conference to claim that Biden essentially admitted he intended to blow up the pipeline.

Everything Smith says here is true, and yet, we know no more now than we did when people were setting their hair on fire over the Hersch story. When will we learn?

Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:01 PM (eOEVl)

37 The part about bypassing Congressional oversight by using the Navy diver school (probably the instructors) sounds about right, according to my off-the-books resident expert.

Posted by: pookysgirl's secret squirrel went nuts at February 17, 2023 05:01 PM (dtlDP)

38 I think the biggest flaw in Hersh's story is that the US did it directly using the US Navy. I don't find that believable. We'd use a cut-out if we did it.

The part about the diver seems implausible too since there are UAV's that could easily attach explosives and not be detected.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 05:02 PM (UuD2k)

39 I think I'm down to 2 possibilities:
1. Russian industrial incompetence
2. US involvement

I don't have enough information to pick between either one, and I probably never will.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 04:56 PM (UuD2k)

Incompetence would hardly be likely blow 4 of 6 pipelines within hours in two locations.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:02 PM (eoQWY)

40
"Fake but accurate!"

"Too good to check!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (DWW27)

41 Biden said that if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, no $1 billion aid check.
Fact check: True
Biden said he didn't need our votes to win the election. Fact check: True
Biden said that if Russia invaded Ukraine the Nordstream pipeline would "end". "...we will end it."
Fact check: True
Posted by: gourmand du jour, gimpy edition at February 17, 2023 04:58 PM (jTmQV)

Yes. All true. With a lot of video footage to prove it.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (BdMk6)

42 This is what I said.

My latest theory is that Hersh was sold this as counterpropaganda to cover for the true exploders - Poland.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (4oyqO)

43 30 All of Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles are very detailed.
Harry Potter books are very detailed.
Tom Clancy's novels... Details everywhere!
From Earth to the Moon.. Ultra detailed!

There's a lot of detail in some fiction!
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (Wy1BU)

I always found the Harry Potter books to be... remarkably shallow for fantasy. That is why it does not count as 'High' fantasy. Tolkien was so detailed as to almost be TOO detailed. Jordan was ultra detailed (while not going as far as Tolkien.) Sanderson would be detailed if he settled on one thing to fucking write some decade.

I consider Rowling to be about the same level as Jim Butcher's universe as far as level of detail.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (zZu0s)

44 I guess if we had actually done it, the Russians would have blown up something of ours in retaliation by now.

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (24fqN)

45 Everything is an op.

Keep this in mind at all times.

No matter how cynical you think you are, you're not cynical enough.

Posted by: Golfman at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (l/wol)

46 besides mint chocolate chip or strawberry.
Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:00 PM (v0R5T)

Mmmm. Mint Chocolate Chip. With the green food coloring.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:04 PM (zZu0s)

47 Incompetence would hardly be likely blow 4 of 6 pipelines within hours in two locations.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:02 PM (eoQWY)

What a coinkydink!

Posted by: John Kirby at February 17, 2023 05:04 PM (v0R5T)

48 The details don't add up in the Hirsch story. For example, you don't send a "newly commissioned" submarine to do the job. Also, none of the Norwegian ship that supposedly supported this op were anywhere near the area when this was supposed to have gone down.

Our government is just stupid enough to have done this, but if we did, it did not go down as described.

Posted by: Reactor Axe Man at February 17, 2023 05:05 PM (a6Uyj)

49 Incompetence would hardly be likely blow 4 of 6 pipelines within hours in two locations.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:02 PM (eoQWY)

If you think about it more deeply is becomes more plausible. Those pipelines were all shutdown while Russia repaired the compressors. If methane hydrates formed when the compressors were down, then they could have formed in all the down pipelines. They are at the same pressure and contained all the same shitty wet Russian gas.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 05:05 PM (UuD2k)

50 Incompetence would hardly be likely blow 4 of 6 pipelines within hours in two locations.

I'll ask the same question I did when the explosions happened. Are they fed off the same manifold? Would an overpressure in one result in a problem in the other. I don't know, and I've heard no discussion of it, other than that Russian maintenance stinks on ice.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:06 PM (eOEVl)

51 This is what I said.

My latest theory is that Hersh was sold this as counterpropaganda to cover for the true exploders - Poland.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (4oyqO)

Has the advantage of closeness to the site. Also some flake in the Polish EU parliament had his own prediction that Nord would be closed before it happened.

Still would require US permission to act, so it is back to us doing it. Doing it while a US Naval Task force is operating would be far too risky.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:06 PM (eoQWY)

52 I still think it was China. They started selling natural gas to Europe at disturbingly inflated prices right around the same time that the NORD blew up. There was no precedent for that. Their explanation was that since they locked everyone down in China for Covid, they had a surplus. Who believes that nonsense?

Posted by: Orson at February 17, 2023 05:06 PM (iOrr7)

53 Joey likely didnt order it or know that it happened

Posted by: Avi at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (cBCwV)

54 'Balls' != 'Senile pique'
'Competence' != 'Strategic blunder'

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (24fqN)

55 Smith notes that Sy Hersh has a long history of being an easy mark for a "source" with a sensationalistic, but completely fictional, story to tell.

This is true, but he hasn't ALWAYS been a dupe in his stories and this one does have the ring of truth about it. The thing to remember is that Biden isn't really in charge, and they hand him things to sign then even in front of reporters command him to sign them even when he whines that he doesn't even know what they are.

So Biden's inability to pull the trigger or history of not going after the bad guy doesn't really have much significance here.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (0hOvj)

56 Should have said pressure and temperature.

Also, the timing could have been synced by the ham-fisted Russian attempts to clear the methane hydrates.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (UuD2k)

57 He reminds us that this is the guy who urged Obama not to take out Bin Ladin.
-
This is only relevant if you actually believe Biden makes any of the decisions.

Posted by: Methos at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (kOpft)

58 The premise is that Biden was the culprit. But Biden probably can't even tie his own shoes any longer and only knows about ice cream flavors. It's that secret committee/team that makes all the decisions so all those criticisms of Biden re. pipelines fall away.

Posted by: Ciampino - who is actually running the USA? at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (qfLjt)

59 My latest theory is that Hersh was sold this as counterpropaganda to cover for the true exploders - Poland.
==
Well, if'n I was a Russian, I'd try pretty much anything to find out just who Hersh's source was, and then I'd put 'em under a microscope, and if necessary snatch em.

Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (dGEO1)

60 ultrahawk Victoria Nuland

==

she is a nutcase; she is now advocating for blowing up everything Russian in Crimea...because, get this, it's a legitimate "military target" ; as if she did not hear that ANY and ALL portions absorbed belonging to Russia are now under Russian NUCLEAR umbrella. she was a the forefront of overthrowing Yanokovich and installing a US puppet in Kiev in 2014. So she not as much of a hawk, more of a snake.

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (V13WU)

61 I'll ask the same question I did when the explosions happened. Are they fed off the same manifold? Would an overpressure in one result in a problem in the other. I don't know, and I've heard no discussion of it, other than that Russian maintenance stinks on ice.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:06 PM (eOEVl)

They are independent lines from what I've heard. It makes sense so you can repair one without cutting all supplies.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (eoQWY)

62 My money is on Russia doing to deprive themselves of their cash cow.
That makes much more sense than the Junta doing to extort an ally. They would never do that.
Right Kraine?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (5C5Sd)

63 Lee Smith’s article was unconvincing to me. Just didn’t ring true. Maybe he has an axe to grind with Hersh. Tbh, I think that axe is that Hersh quoted someone saying Biden has balls of steel if he did this. That to me was Hersh trying show some faux balance, maybe to get the left media to warm to Hersh’s piece.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (Q3oNv)

64 Elvis blew up the pipeline while Sasquatch watched.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (u73oe)

65 Poland is all in on this war.
Poland hates both Russia and Germany (with cause.)
Poland wants NATO in, and feels Germany is the hold out. (They are.)
The pipes go around Poland, leaving Poland as a cutout in case Russia expands leaving the rest of Europe secure
Poland is well aware of Merkels ultimate plan of dividing up Europe, and that Poland would end up under Russia again.
Poland is right there. They could swim to to the pipelines

Germany wants German up, Russia in, and the Anglos out. US agreed to this under O'fuckwad. US was never against the pipes, only Trump and sane conservatives were.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (4oyqO)

66 They are independent lines from what I've heard. It makes sense so you can repair one without cutting all supplies.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (eoQWY)

They are independent pipelines that are all fed the same gas from the same compressors.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (UuD2k)

67 I am starting to see a scenario where numerous divers from numerous countries all end up trying to get their ordnance placed first, and then we have a Tommy Kirk-style underwater knife fight a la Catalina Caper.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Southpaw at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (xPJvm)

68 They are independent lines from what I've heard. It makes sense so you can repair one without cutting all supplies.

The lines under the sea are, but I assume they converge at some point on land, so as not to have to build it twice.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (eOEVl)

69 As far as Hersh' musing on who blew up the pipeline, I'd be shocked if US was not involved.

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (V13WU)

70 The lines under the sea are, but I assume they converge at some point on land, so as not to have to build it twice.

But again, I don't know.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (eOEVl)

71 So Biden's inability to pull the trigger or history of not going after the bad guy doesn't really have much significance here.
==
Agree. If the US played a role it was a deep state call and Biden may not have even been in the loop to be honest. I mean, its hard to reset your minds, but he's no more in control of the government than Trump was.

think about it.

Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (vLwPq)

72 I don't buy Poland as the great instigator, they're more CYA and try not to get noticed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (0hOvj)

73 In the words of a sage Vulcan, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (up/3i)

74 she is a nutcase; she is now advocating for blowing up everything Russian in Crimea...because, get this, it's a legitimate "military target" ; as if she did not hear that ANY and ALL portions absorbed belonging to Russia are now under Russian NUCLEAR umbrella. she was a the forefront of overthrowing Yanokovich and installing a US puppet in Kiev in 2014. So she not as much of a hawk, more of a snake.
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (V13WU)

She's also a dope. In WW2 we spent years and huge numbers of bombers and couldn't eliminate everything in a small collection of cities, while Crimea is an entire nation sized near island. Yeah, you can lob a missile in its direction, even force the navy to move to a new port but as a war changing measure, its idiotic.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (eoQWY)

75 Didn't Lee Smith pitch for the Cubs?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (Irn0L)

76 He reminds us that this is the guy who urged Obama not to take out Bin Ladin.

---------

What if Milley "Vanilly Privilege" is running the country -- or at least is de facto Commander in Chief -- and trying to make the world safe for transgenderism starting WW III to wipe out as many normies as he can?

/Only half-joking; who can say anymore with all these ClownWorld mentally-ill circus-freaks dancing around in the DeepState BigTop?

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (DWW27)

77 I guess if we had actually done it, the Russians would have blown up something of ours in retaliation by now.
Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (24fqN)

Why? This country is doing great in its own self destruction. He'd be a fool to interfere.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (BdMk6)

78 I agree it's garbage. Single source is the damning factor. Paint-by-numbers details. Do better Seymour.

Posted by: pawn at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (kYVzH)

79 Biden had nothing to do with it. DOD-CIA is an independent agency.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (KAi1n)

80 49 Incompetence would hardly be likely blow 4 of 6 pipelines within hours in two locations.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:02 PM (eoQWY)

If you think about it more deeply is becomes more plausible. Those pipelines were all shutdown while Russia repaired the compressors. If methane hydrates formed when the compressors were down, then they could have formed in all the down pipelines. They are at the same pressure and contained all the same shitty wet Russian gas.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 17, 2023 05:05 PM (UuD2k)
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So huge sections would have ruptured unlike the localized breaches.

Posted by: Ciampino -- who is actually running the USA? at February 17, 2023 05:11 PM (qfLjt)

81 I'll have to say I am very impressed with the folks from East Palestine

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:11 PM (us2H3)

82 Western governments have already long since established and announced that it was sabotage. The maintenance theory was never terribly likely.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:11 PM (eYoxG)

83 These technocrats do not give a fig about nationality. They mean to rule over all the peasants, regardless of their nation of origin.

I think the technocrats simply want to kill as many people as possible.

Peter Zeihan, in his latest book, draws out a gloomy picture of global prosperity arguing that demographcs, geography, access to energy (petroleum) and the ability for a country to guarantee its own access to the products to stay alive have everything to do with The Order and globalism. Germany, among a whole lot of other nations, is predicted to be dead man walking.

What Peter doesn't say, but I will:

Climate Change propaganda is the vector to get people to want to destroy the ability to survive. Getting Russia petroleum into Germany benefits both countries and increases their chances of survival.

The NS pipeline demolition has nothing to do with Ukraine. It has everything to do with ensuring that Russia and Germany die. They are using the cover of the "war" to follow-up on the Plandemic in destroying economies and bringing down The Order.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:11 PM (l7lsb)

84 I still think it was China. They started selling natural gas to Europe at disturbingly inflated prices right around the same time that the NORD blew up.
-
One of the Scandinavian countries opened a pipeline within a week of the bombing.

Posted by: Methos at February 17, 2023 05:11 PM (kOpft)

85 There is a general failure to realize that putting that pipeline out of business had a negligible impact to the Russian gas flows into Europe. There are numerous other pipelines through which a majority of the gas flows.

I still believe there is a possibility the Russians did it themselves to put the squeeze on Europe without really reading their potential revenues. They wanted to freeze Europe out this winter as a means of pressuring them into backing out of Ukraine. The warm winter helped negate that and the long game of transitioning to other resources now works in Europe's favor.

Notwithstanding all of that, Biden doesn't have the balls and he's shown it time and again. Plus a lot of Hersh's precursor events don't line up. He's either full of shit or a patsy.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (oVZ+Q)

86 67 I am starting to see a scenario where numerous divers from numerous countries all end up trying to get their ordnance placed first, and then we have a Tommy Kirk-style underwater knife fight a la Catalina Caper.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Southpaw at February 17, 2023 05:09 PM (xPJvm)

Trying to communicate in sign? Or just get to stabbing? Or dueling spearguns?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (zZu0s)

87 Usually it is the buyer of a discounted good that benefits most from the discount.

Posted by: meh at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (DFosm)

88 Awiens!!

Posted by: Cute Fuzzy Kittuh at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (47JES)

89 So huge sections would have ruptured unlike the localized breaches.

Or...it would rupture at the weak points, thus relieving the pressure, so no more damage occurred.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (eOEVl)

90 Sea Hunt had an underwater knife fight seemingly every other episode. Go for the regulator hose!

Posted by: pawn at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (kYVzH)

91 " she was a the forefront of overthrowing Yanokovich and installing a US puppet in Kiev in 2014."

Deplorable. Provided motive for Russia to attack. How many thousands of Americans are there with fists stuck in the Ukrainian tar baby?

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (24fqN)

92 I guess if we had actually done it, the Russians would have blown up something of ours in retaliation by now.
Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp

Putin probably follows Sun Tzu's dictums of "The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." or "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence."

Posted by: Tonypete at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (qoGsy)

93
It's happening. The German press is now talking about Pfizer Pfraud in the "vaccine" trials:

https://tinyurl.com/2hsz8ow3

Covering up adverse events and deaths, such as the ones that are now evident. Cardiac damage and strokes.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (Mzdiz)

94 "An email forwarded to Sputnik by a US journalist from an individual identifying themselves as a servicemember that took part in last summer’s NATO BALTOPS 22 exercises in waters near the site of the Nord Stream pipeline explosions provides new information corroborating last week’s bombshell Substack report on the incident by Seymour Hersh."

Anonymous Conservative this morning. Sputniknews link.

https://is.gd/bu6Yhe

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (iKBwy)

95 Elvis blew up the pipeline while Sasquatch watched.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (u73oe)
.......

Squatch is a good lookout. Never gets caught.

Posted by: John Kirby at February 17, 2023 05:13 PM (v0R5T)

96 Joe somewhere got a kickback upon ending the Nord sanctions. Merkel notwithstanding.

To complain vigorously of Russian election involvement of electing Trump and then to remove sanctions to allow Nordstream, there's only one answer: Joe got paid. He cares not one wit about Merkel or anything else.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 17, 2023 05:13 PM (NW9xb)

97 Not on topic, but they have found kimchi to be effective against Covid and long covid:

https://tinyurl.com/4fbydd4b

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 17, 2023 05:13 PM (6lj/r)

98 Back in olden days; i.e., 2020, I thought no intelligent person could support Biden because his obvious deficiencies plus his chimp with a machine gun speaking style might cause him to blunder us into WWIII.

Ahhh, was I ever so young?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation
++++
I'm still of the opinion that no intelligent person supports biden. But this country is full of ignorant sheep who are easily manipulated.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at February 17, 2023 05:13 PM (VKp7/)

99 44 I guess if we had actually done it, the Russians would have blown up something of ours in retaliation by now.
Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:03 PM (24fqN)

Well allegedly they tried to overthrow Moldova's government recently. We wouldn't necessarily identify any given Russian action as retaliation for something specific the US did.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:14 PM (eYoxG)

100 the only people who had a motive are the warmongers looting the us treasury.

Posted by: x at February 17, 2023 05:14 PM (ZBPE2)

101 Smith doubts Sy Hersh's purported exposee -- doubting that Biden has the competence or the balls to attack a nuclear-armed nation.

This assumes that Biden is making the decisions.

I think that Blinken and Victoria Nuland is making the decisions.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:14 PM (2tUFv)

102 I can believe Biden didn't have the balls to blow up the pipeline and still believe our government blew up the pipeline.

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 17, 2023 05:14 PM (DB16e)

103 Woah, Dracula's real? Talk about buring the lede.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:14 PM (ppBhU)

104 One of the Scandinavian countries opened a pipeline within a week of the bombing.

Norway -> Poland.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (2tUFv)

105 "Not on topic, but they have found kimchi to be effective against Covid and long covid:"

As a poultice, or as a plaster?

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (24fqN)

106 You know what would be funny.

It was a deep state op, and Hersch's source is Victoria Nuland. See, it was Nuland who was the actual driver of the Op, but now she is concerned it is blown and she will take a fall. So she tells Hersch because she wants to create top cover by drawing in the President as the planner . . . "with balls of steel". Hoping he'll warm to the narrative and embrace it because he's a doddering fool.

Hey, its clownworld.

Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (vLwPq)

107 Sputnik and Zerohedge are both Russian propaganda sites. Read with that in mind.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (oVZ+Q)

108 My latest theory is that Hersh was sold this as counterpropaganda to cover for the true exploders - Poland.
==
Well, if'n I was a Russian, I'd try pretty much anything to find out just who Hersh's source was, and then I'd put 'em under a microscope, and if necessary snatch em.
Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:07 PM (dGEO1)

Russia likely has some pretty good spies, and these clowns aren't likely secure. I'm sure they knew who on day 0 if not earlier, and since know how or much of it.

But making a huge fuss could escalate things, which they don't want, since the war is going well for them as they work out the kinks in the army, grind the Ukr army down, and prepare for offensives with their new troops.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eoQWY)

109 I doubted before it was cool.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, mired in filth and awfulness with Ralph Bakshi at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (LvTSG)

110 Who knows what really happened?
Biden could have agreed to it: "Do you want the pipeline to go away?" "Yeppers, on my word as a Biden! Corn pop's a ridin' it!" and that being sold as orders to take it out.

Pretty sure he never said "go blow it up" because like everyone else suspects, no one trusts Biden to do anything. Including his own government.

Posted by: GanGanowicz at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (AxRGS)

111
I still believe there is a possibility the Russians did it themselves to put the squeeze on Europe without really reading their potential revenues. They wanted to freeze Europe out this winter as a means of pressuring them into backing out of Ukraine. The warm winter helped negate that and the long game of transitioning to other resources now works in Europe's favor.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:12 PM (oVZ+Q)

The Russians had already stopped pumping natural gas through it. They don't need to blow up the infrastructure to do something they were already doing.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)

112 the back story s Victoria Nuland was walking down a Moscow avenue and some contruction workers we talking about how desperate they would have to be to plow her fat ass

funny how policies are set by such trivial events

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:16 PM (us2H3)

113 t was a deep state op, and Hersch's source is Victoria Nuland. See, it was Nuland who was the actual driver of the Op, but now she is concerned it is blown and she will take a fall. So she tells Hersch because she wants to create top cover by drawing in the President as the planner . . . "with balls of steel". Hoping he'll warm to the narrative and embrace it because he's a doddering fool.

Hey, its clownworld.
Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (vLwPq)

Newland was one of the several 'leakers' of the pipes going away before the blast.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:16 PM (eoQWY)

114 Biden likely has very, very big balls. An artifact of the super gonorrhea he contracted from his relatives.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:16 PM (ppBhU)

115 Many analysts have written better than a overwrought Tom Clancy spy story

Posted by: Skip at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (xhxe8)

116 The black hole which engulfed Flight 370 took out the pipeline, you fat disgusting over-the-hill whores!

Posted by: Don Lemon at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (h5TKJ)

117
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another you been messin' around
They say you got a strike team
You're out working on a weekend meme
They're talkin' about you and it's bringin' me down

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (Jg7EG)

118 >>Notwithstanding all of that, Biden doesn't have the balls and he's shown it time and again. Plus a lot of Hersh's precursor events don't line up. He's either full of shit or a patsy.

Biden literally launched a war with Russia. Blowing up a pipeline is relatively small potatoes when you start a war with one of the world's nuclear powers.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (ZLI7S)

119 I know we hand a hand in it

Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (bs+z0)

120 She's also a dope. In WW2 we spent years and huge numbers of bombers and couldn't eliminate everything in a small collection of cities, while Crimea is an entire nation sized near island. Yeah, you can lob a missile in its direction, even force the navy to move to a new port but as a war changing measure, its idiotic.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:10 PM (eoQWY)

I think she is instigating sabotage - like bridges, other infrastructure, ports, who knows what her idiotic mind conjures up. She is an extremist, who is part of that awesome diplomatic corps. They are always full of ideas.

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (V13WU)

121 . But we do know enough about Biden's public record to judge the story's premise, never mind its absurd details, as questionable.
____________

Exactly. Biden hasn't the 'nads.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (TgBWG)

122 TLDR;

Lee Smith is a Pentagon bitch

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (d7tk9)

123 Smith is solid but everything he points out was sorta obvious including Hersh’s record of error.

But it’s ridiculous to believe Russia acted because it could retain existing energy exports. It acted for reasons entirely obvious and openly stated and literally diplomatically engaged for decades, and completely consistent with its history and geography, with the kicker of a borderland ethnic irredentist bar fight.

Ukraine didn’t come close to signing a deal with Russia in March ‘22 to “be annexed”. LOL.

If Lee wants to really add to understanding of the situation, which he often does, he needs to get the minutes and related cable traffic and internal memos for the US-Russia bilaterals in Geneva that began March 2022. AND any similar materials from the Trump years.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (JlejM)

124 But this country is full of ignorant sheep who are easily manipulated.

And voter fraud.

But mostly voter fraud.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (TXFi7)

125 But Biden didn't say that.

Both Blinken and Nuland publicly did happy victory dances after the pipelines were blown up.

As Russia expert Mark Ames puts it:

Last year, NATO called Nord Stream bombings "acts of sabotage...on allies' critical infrastructure."
4 months later, Victoria Nuland testified "the administration is very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea."[/]
...

If someone knows of another time that Vicky Nuland or the White House has ever been "gratified" that an adversary bombed a NATO ally's "critical infrastructure" please chime in.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (2tUFv)

126 "Biden likely has very, very big balls."

Hitler has only one ball,
Goering has two but very small.

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (24fqN)

127 "The Russians had already stopped pumping natural gas through it. They don't need to blow up the infrastructure to do something they were already doing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)"

Except they were being pressured to turn it back on and that was a negotiation point on the table. Blowing up the pipeline made it a moot point.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (oVZ+Q)

128 Cui bono?

And

Who has the ability to pull it off?

You immediately have to remove the eco-terrorists. That would be super easy to track down.

To me that only leaves the US, and a known agenda to stop NORD as mentioned by its very leader.

So yeah, I'd say he got it right.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (XtkZj)

129 the NS play was a checkers' move

the Rooskies don't play checkers

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (us2H3)

130 105 "Not on topic, but they have found kimchi to be effective against Covid and long covid:"

As a poultice, or as a plaster?

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (24fqN)

Suppository.

Posted by: a.moron at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (tu3iY)

131 The Russians had already stopped pumping natural gas through it. They don't need to blow up the infrastructure to do something they were already doing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)

They had already also told Germany that they were diverting future gas to other customers, permanently.

The only thing blowing the pipes did was to keep Germany from going wobbly at some future point.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (eoQWY)

132 You think covid is bad? Try cancer.

An American cancer patient apparently developed an "uncontrollable Irish accent" during treatment

https://bit.ly/3lLJ5VB

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (FVME7)

133 Sputnik and Zerohedge are both Russian propaganda sites. Read with that in mind.
Posted by: Marcus T

I do. It's really just deciding which State's propaganda to believe these days, isn't it? And which has the more accurate track record.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (iKBwy)

134 So...

Let's continue to h*ng the globalists with Sy Hersh.

Why was whether it was true relevant?

Take a page out of their book for once (or...SOP).

Posted by: Sapwolf at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (g4MLt)

135 Love American Style.

Matt Lavietes@mattlavietes
An Oklahoma woman has no parental rights over the son she raised for two years with her estranged wife, who has since started dating the former couple’s sperm donor, a judge ruled Monday.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (FVME7)

136 Greenwald talked about Hersh and this claim a few nights ago on his Rumble news show.
He made the some of the same points. Hersh is a hero if he's acting in Big Media interests while he is a crazy, unreliable old man now that he is not. In the end Greenwald concludes he doesn't know if the story is true or not, but it's not hard to believe.

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (DB16e)

137 Biden hasn't the nads.

Obama ordered the hit on Bin Laden.

Obama ordered the hit on Nordstream.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 17, 2023 05:19 PM (TXFi7)

138 130 LOL

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:19 PM (24fqN)

139 The other day a phrase from Ace struck a chord. To the effect to that so many in our ruling "elite" no longer appear to believe our American Experiment will survive much longer, such that the pre-bankruptcy phase of looting the company has begun.

I might add that it's either they don't expect, or don't care if it survives.

Either way, they sure don't act as though they're protecting or defending much of anything except their own pockets, vendettas or ideological fetishes.

Posted by: Zek at February 17, 2023 05:19 PM (5FPX4)

140 So are we back to aliens blowing up the pipeline?

Posted by: fd at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (iayUP)

141 Elvis blew up the pipeline while Sasquatch watched.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 17, 2023 05:08 PM (u73oe)
Squatch is a good lookout. Never gets caught.
Posted by: John Kirby at February 17, 2023 05:13 PM (v0R5T)

Concur. They both operate from their secret base on Oak Island.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (R/m4+)

142 107 Sputnik and Zerohedge are both Russian propaganda sites. Read with that in mind.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (oVZ+Q)

One thing a History Prof hammered us on in school was that ALL SOURCES ARE BIASED. Even someone trying to be unbiased will probably let bias creep in by word choice, how they order things, or what they choose to emphasize and what they don't.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (zZu0s)

143 137 Biden hasn't the nads.

He probably wasn't in on it.. After all he is controlled by his handlers

Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (bs+z0)

144 Seizing on "Biden didn't, couldn't, wouldn't order it!" by citing his history of weakness is a distinction without difference.

It's as dumb as saying, "Biden was in DC when the charges were placed so there's no way it was the US!"

Or maybe, just maybe, the folks who took over this country and who think they are the rightful rulers despite how the people vote, having placed their second stooge (Obama being the 1st) in the WH, another who will stay out of their way and let them do what they want, DID blow up the pipeline.

But yeah, they stole an election, spied on the former President, openly defied their boss they didn't like, drone-striked civilians, staged coups in other countries, stole billions in foreign aid but they are totally gonna not do what they want cause now Sheriff Joe is in town.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (5EnGD)

145 Except they were being pressured to turn it back on and that was a negotiation point on the table. Blowing up the pipeline made it a moot point.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (oVZ+Q)

This is nonsense. Germany had shut off deliveries too and nobody is negotiating with Russia now on anything aside from the Food Delivery save zone...which Russia proposed, and UKR used to launch a sneak attack on their naval base.

Now in future the Pipe might have opened, but nothing like that had happened before the blast.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (eoQWY)

146 anyone who thinks this was the Rooskies needs to share a room with Fetterman

it's like industrial stoopid

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (us2H3)

147 127 "The Russians had already stopped pumping natural gas through it. They don't need to blow up the infrastructure to do something they were already doing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)"

Except they were being pressured to turn it back on and that was a negotiation point on the table. Blowing up the pipeline made it a moot point.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (oVZ+Q)

"Being pressured" is a weird way to put "its existence gave Russia leverage". Losing it only weakened Russia's position, and this was obvious to most people immediately. That's why prominent western figures celebrated it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (eYoxG)

148 Commenters here pointed out, very incisively*, "Dracula is 'very detailed' too -- does that make it true as well?"
_______
Anyone else ever read Hector Bywater's Great Pacific War? Highly detailed.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (TgBWG)

149 135 Love American Style.

Matt Lavietes@mattlavietes
An Oklahoma woman has no parental rights over the son she raised for two years with her estranged wife, who has since started dating the former couple’s sperm donor, a judge ruled Monday.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (FVME7)

Did she run her shopping cart into the leg of Dick Gotier(sp?)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (zZu0s)

150 "The Russians had already stopped pumping natural gas through it. They don't need to blow up the infrastructure to do something they were already doing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)"

No he really didn't. He allowed a proxy war to occur and fueled it with material. He or who ever has been very careful not to enter into this directly. Now if you want to say he greenlighted a third country to do it, and there was adequate proof to back it up, I might listen. But so far there has been nothing credible.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (oVZ+Q)

151 >>> Biden let a Chinese spy balloon tour the American homeland, crossing over several sensitive sites, but he sucker-punched Putin in Russia's backyard?

If Mr. Smith (if that is his real name) were paying attention to the news this should not surprise him that this is not at all inconsistent with The Party nor the current Junta. Even the last go-around Mr. Hillary wetting million$ from RUSSIA! while it was running around accusing RUSSIA! of interfering with this Nukular armed nation's election.

Threatening and tampering others is what The Party Junta (tm) does.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (5C5Sd)

152 140 So are we back to aliens blowing up the pipeline?
Posted by: fd at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (iayUP)

I was going with Climate change

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (us2H3)

153 TLDR;

Lee Smith is a Pentagon bitch
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:17 PM (d7tk9)

he wrote "The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in U.S. History".

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (V13WU)

154 the back story s Victoria Nuland was walking down a Moscow avenue and some contruction workers we talking about how desperate they would have to be to plow her fat ass

*whistles*
Hey Vickie! You not show us tits! Is cement in underwear?
Moo! bow-wow! HAHAHAHA

Posted by: Vlad and Boris - Moscow Local #6457 at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (v0R5T)

155 - Biden is not in charge, but he still would be able to prevent this. No way the president is sidelined that much, even biden.
- China would not touch this. They are risk adverse and only bully when they know consequences are low. (This is changing with xi consolidating power now.
-Peter zeihan is an ass and a moron.

- The main problem is all the detail Hersh reported. Too much detail, so either it came from USA (again, as counter propaganda to hide the real actors) or it came from others who know a lot and could piece together that detail while making up the ending. Or, it is all bullshit designed to be easily disproved. Mud in the air.

Or it is accurate. Don't know.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (4oyqO)

156 at least I think it is that Lee Smith

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (V13WU)

157 One thing for sure, Putin is playing chess and Biden is playing 52 pick up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (FVME7)

158 "I might add that it's either they don't expect, or don't care if it survives."

I stopped caring when it became clear there was jack-shit I could do to help. From elites all the way down to peons, it's every man for himself.

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:23 PM (24fqN)

159 Greenwald talked about Hersh and this claim a few nights ago on his Rumble news show.
He made the some of the same points. Hersh is a hero if he's acting in Big Media interests while he is a crazy, unreliable old man now that he is not. In the end Greenwald concludes he doesn't know if the story is true or not, but it's not hard to believe.
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (DB16e)

I agree - the alternative to Hersh being incorrect or fooled isn't that the US is innocent or cleared, just that it happened a different way.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:23 PM (eoQWY)

160 The Russians had already stopped pumping natural gas through it. They don't need to blow up the infrastructure to do something they were already doing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)"

Except they were being pressured to turn it back on and that was a negotiation point on the table. Blowing up the pipeline made it a moot point.
==
Because russians don't like to say nyet, and prefer a passive aggressive self destructive approach that costs them billions.

Wow. You got some serious confirmation bias at work.

Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:23 PM (16Hdt)

161 157 One thing for sure, Putin is playing chess and Biden is playing 52 pick up.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (FVME7)

Tic-Tac-Toe with himself.

And he's losing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:23 PM (zZu0s)

162 Except they were being pressured to turn it back on and that was a negotiation point on the table. Blowing up the pipeline made it a moot point.

Insane. Russia would have loved to sell more gas to Germany - it was the EU blocking it.

It requires incredible logical contortions to believe that the Russians did billions of dollars of damage to pipelines that they half-owned, and controlled the eastern taps to.

Occams Razor is much simpler - the people who blew the pipeline were the people who had most to gain from blowing the pipeline.

Us.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:23 PM (2tUFv)

163 I would also note that not all so-called Propaganda is lies.

SABO comes to mind.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (iKBwy)

164 So are we back to aliens blowing up the pipeline?
Posted by: fd at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (iayUP)

I was going with Climate change

I think we're overlooking something obvious: the pipeline identifies as a woman, so ditched the phallic morphology in favor of a feminine one.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (eOEVl)

165 IS there any site that is not Russian propaganda site ????

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (V13WU)

166 Newland was one of the several 'leakers' of the pipes going away before the blast.

So was Senator Ron Johnson. He also communicated the need to destroy the pipelines.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (l7lsb)

167 Sputnik and Zerohedge are both Russian propaganda sites. Read with that in mind.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (oVZ+Q)

Let's see. Am I to believe the Russian press or the western press? Do you see the conflict here?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (BdMk6)

168 Funny Bee Headline:

President Biden arrives at Coroner's office for annual checkup.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Southpaw at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (xPJvm)

169 what if Putin sent in all his derelicts in the first wave and the next wave is composed of his regulars

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (us2H3)

170
Biden does not decide these things.

Are we still hung up on that?

Posted by: Sapwolf at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (g4MLt)

171 None of this matters though. No one will ever be brought to punishment for it.

Worst case is Russia decides it was us and decides payback is a bitch.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (XtkZj)

172 The article you break down reads like another deep state hit piece. These are not smart people. They are arrogant people. They are 41 ex intelligence operators blatantly lie because you're too stupid to figure it out people

Posted by: squid at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (S/NWs)

173 the back story s Victoria Nuland was walking down a Moscow avenue and some contruction workers we talking about how desperate they would have to be to plow her fat ass

*whistles*
Hey Vickie! You not show us tits! Is cement in underwear?
Moo! bow-wow! HAHAHAHA
==
This is funny. But a moscow construction worker will fcuk anything, even a barge like Victoria Nuland.

Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (4jDva)

174 There is indeed a scandal that involves Biden and Russian pipelines, but it's not the one Seymour Hersh wrote about. It's simply this: a venal and careless old man was so obsessed with undoing his predecessor's work that he greenlighted a war in Europe with consequences that are likely to impact how Americans live for years to come.

---------

Out: Occam's Razor.
In: Lee Smith's Razor.

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (DWW27)

175 165 IS there any site that is not Russian propaganda site ????
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (V13WU)

xhamster

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (us2H3)

176 "Sputnik and Zerohedge are both Russian propaganda sites. Read with that in mind."

I try to read everything skeptically.

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (24fqN)

177 No he really didn't. He allowed a proxy war to occur and fueled it with material. He or who ever has been very careful not to enter into this directly. Now if you want to say he greenlighted a third country to do it, and there was adequate proof to back it up, I might listen. But so far there has been nothing credible.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:21 PM (oVZ+Q)

Name me a country that would do this, could do this and would be immune to US retaliation. Because nobody except the US could be sure the US would not want to find and expose someone who framed them like this.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (eoQWY)

178 140 So are we back to aliens blowing up the pipeline?
Posted by: fd at February 17, 2023 05:20 PM (iayUP)

I was going with Climate change
Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:22 PM (us2H3)
.......

I'm sticking with spy balloons.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (v0R5T)

179 War is god.

Posted by: The Judge at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (4fYsM)

180 "the administration is very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea."

Did Vladimir Putin say this?

Or was it Victoria Nuland?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (2tUFv)

181 130 105 "Not on topic, but they have found kimchi to be effective against Covid and long covid:"

As a poultice, or as a plaster?

Posted by: From Tinker To Evers To gp, Who Boots It at February 17, 2023 05:15 PM (24fqN)

Suppository.
Posted by: a.moron

Read the article. They used kimchee juice as a colon irrigation.*

Not one patient ever required a second treatment.

*japanese and german film crews documented evey application.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (5C5Sd)

182 "Losing it only weakened Russia's position, and this was obvious to most people immediately"

Not at all. The Russians pump most of their gas via other pipelines. Losing NORDSTREAM made it easier to put the squeeze on Europe. Look at where the major pipelines run and tell me what you notice about how they traverse the continent.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (oVZ+Q)

183 175 165 IS there any site that is not Russian propaganda site ????
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (V13WU)

xhamster
Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (us2H3

Sounds like an online pet food store.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (XtkZj)

184 I think we're overlooking something obvious: the pipeline identifies as a woman, so ditched the phallic morphology in favor of a feminine one.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (eOEVl)

Are you saying this was... gender affirming surgery? It WAS full of holes at the end...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:27 PM (zZu0s)

185 135 she should have adopted legally to avoid this issue. While I believe children should have a mama and a daddy, this child is going to suffer a loss if he has been yanked away from someone who was a key part of their life. These are little humans, not pawns to hurt the person we are mad with.

Posted by: Piper at February 17, 2023 05:27 PM (ZdaMQ)

186 183 175 165 IS there any site that is not Russian propaganda site ????
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (V13WU)

xhamster
Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (us2H3

Sounds like an online pet food store.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (XtkZj)

It's really not.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:27 PM (zZu0s)

187 Occams Razor is much simpler - the people who blew the pipeline were the people who had most to gain from blowing the pipeline.

Try: the people who blew up the pipeline were the people who could do it. (that group is smaller than those who would benefit)

If you consider the motive: Destroy economies and bring about the Great Reset while owning the Party Military which could pull of that stunt, you get the WEF/Davos cabal.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:27 PM (l7lsb)

188 Sounds like an online pet food store.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (XtkZj)

GIYF

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:27 PM (us2H3)

189 Hubby thought smith's critique was spot on. I don't- for one thing he sort-of credits the "Russia blew it up themselves" lunatic theory.

Posted by: LASue at February 17, 2023 05:28 PM (Ed8Zd)

190 Russia asked the Security Council to do an independent inquiry into pipeline sabotage. This is an interesting move. If US votes against .....

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:28 PM (V13WU)

191
The pipeline had already passed through Germany and got blown up in the Baltic. I have Plumbing 441 experience and can tell you that depriving nations of natural gas that already have an abundance and want to send natural gas to Germany for profit!!!?

Should be top suspects. Not the USA. Only brain dead Biden would think it made a fvcking difference. You wanna deprive Germany of natural gas? You blow the pipeline at the border, not AFTER it has passed through the country.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:28 PM (enJYY)

192 Maybe it was Nambia.

Sneaky bastards.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:29 PM (XtkZj)

193 "Name me a country that would do this, could do this and would be immune to US retaliation. Because nobody except the US could be sure the US would not want to find and expose someone who framed them like this.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:25 PM (eoQWY)"

I've seen a lot of good speculation about Poland. They have motive and the capabilities. But there is zero proof to back it up.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:29 PM (oVZ+Q)

194 We need to think outside the pipeline box. What about pipe circles? Pipe polyhedra? One-dimensional thinking constrains the pipe imagination.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Corrupted at February 17, 2023 05:29 PM (24fqN)

195 The article you break down reads like another deep state hit piece. These are not smart people. They are arrogant people. They are 41 ex intelligence operators blatantly lie because you're too stupid to figure it out people
Posted by: squid

Same feeling I got reading it.
-----
Let's see. Am I to believe the Russian press or the western press? Do you see the conflict here?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

Yup. When you read American press, keep in mind you're probably reading Deep State propaganda. Works just the same as describing Sputnik, Zerohedge, RT, etc. as Russian propaganda. Exactly the same.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:29 PM (iKBwy)

196 Poland it was not. I think the main actors were Norway, the UK and the US.

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:30 PM (V13WU)

197 The Russians pump most of their gas via other pipelines.

But the other pipelines traverse Ukraine or Poland, giving those counties a veto on whether gas flows through those pipelines.

Nordstream was a direct Russian - German gas connection, that couldn't be controlled by other countries, which is what made the continued existence of the Nordstream pipelines unacceptable.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:30 PM (2tUFv)

198 "Losing it only weakened Russia's position, and this was obvious to most people immediately"

Not at all. The Russians pump most of their gas via other pipelines. Losing NORDSTREAM made it easier to put the squeeze on Europe. Look at where the major pipelines run and tell me what you notice about how they traverse the continent.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (oVZ+Q)

Thus WEAKENING THEIR POSITION. My God.

There have also been attempts on Russian overland pipelines to Turkey and Southern Europe...

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:30 PM (eoQWY)

199 It was the Belgians. Never trust a Belgian

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 17, 2023 05:30 PM (0hOvj)

200 Greenwald talked about Hersh and this claim a few nights ago on his Rumble news show.
He made the some of the same points. Hersh is a hero if he's acting in Big Media interests while he is a crazy, unreliable old man now that he is not. In the end Greenwald concludes he doesn't know if the story is true or not, but it's not hard to believe.
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 17, 2023 05:18 PM (DB16e)

I'm with Greenwald on this (and many other things, surprisingly!)

Posted by: LASue at February 17, 2023 05:30 PM (Ed8Zd)

201 I mean , as a NATO member they might have played a role, but not a significant one. Anyway, do Poles even know how to swim ?

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (V13WU)

202 Remember: There are absolutely no good guys involved in this EU conflict. And that includes the US.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (BdMk6)

203 Russia blew up their own pipeline because it was smarter than just turning the valve to the 'off' position.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (d7tk9)

204 182 "Losing it only weakened Russia's position, and this was obvious to most people immediately"

Not at all. The Russians pump most of their gas via other pipelines. Losing NORDSTREAM made it easier to put the squeeze on Europe. Look at where the major pipelines run and tell me what you notice about how they traverse the continent.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:26 PM (oVZ+Q)

Nordstream was built to circumvent countries Russia has bad relations with. They don't want to be running gas through Ukraine and Poland.

They didn't invest billions of dollars to not make money. This is akin to Bush did 9-11 theorizing.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (eYoxG)

205 Never trust a Belgian
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
==
This has been my experience as well. Filthy little buggers.

Posted by: I'm not KGB occifer but . . . at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (4jDva)

206 The pipeline had already passed through Germany and got blown up in the Baltic. I have Plumbing 441 experience and can tell you that depriving nations of natural gas that already have an abundance and want to send natural gas to Germany for profit!!!?

Should be top suspects. Not the USA. Only brain dead Biden would think it made a fvcking difference. You wanna deprive Germany of natural gas? You blow the pipeline at the border, not AFTER it has passed through the country.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:28 PM (enJYY)

Might want to check your geography. Pipe is blown before Germany.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (eoQWY)

207 Hey Vickie! *rubs crotch*
You like Russian missile? HAHA Not for you!
OINK OINK awooooo

Posted by: Vlad and Boris - Moscow Local #6457 at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM (v0R5T)

208 the left really went off when Putin told fags to find their victims elsewhere

gay adoptions are sacrosanct

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (us2H3)

209 Lloyd Bridges had his airline cut by a criminal on numerous occasions, usually leading to a knife fight. Spearguns sometimes, too.

Posted by: My Anchor Holds at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (wrJpE)

210 The US deep state did it.
They made sure it was done.

The same traitors who felt more loyalty to China ("I'll warn you first before I follow Trumps orders") and are now giving real-time intelligence to Ukraine on Russia (what declaration of war permits this direct involvement?), you're trying to tell me had nothing to do with blowing it?

They provided-- at the minimum--current sea maps, the charges and the location to place them. And a huge pile of cash. (Recall the DOD can't account for billions of spending.)

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (5EnGD)

211 >>Commenters here pointed out, very incisively*, "Dracula is 'very detailed' too -- does that make it true as well?"

No, but reporters can call people who would know and the more detail you put into a fabrication, the easier it is to disprove. So either (a) it is real, or (b) it is fake, but they wanted it to be easily disproved. or (c - a longshot ) it is an extension of the truth and the discussions were real but only as a contingency which was decided against. And the story was put out by people who knew those true details and added the ending.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (4oyqO)

212 >>>Losing NORDSTREAM made it easier to put the squeeze on Europe.

easier than just not pumping gas into the pipeline?

Posted by: x at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (ZBPE2)

213 I am not going to smack my dick down anywhere on this one. I do not think we know enough to really know/reason out anything. We are just speculating.

My only opinion on this is that Biden said we were going to do it- just like he said he was going to steal the election and did not need anyone to vote for him.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (zZu0s)

214 It was the Belgians. Never trust a Belgian
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 17, 2023 05:30 PM (0hOvj)

Question them closely and watch how they waffle.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (guGkK)

215 These are little humans, not pawns to hurt the person we are mad with.

You are not familiar with Family Court, I see.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (TXFi7)

216 Oh spot being so obtuse. Go read ZH and Sputnik, with the mindset they are Russian propaganda sites. Find me a consistent string of stories where they don't push the point of view most beneficial to Russia. Some of it's actually laughable. Plus the main actors behind those sites have both been linked to the FSB and other Russian agencies.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (oVZ+Q)

217 Biden likely has very, very big balls. An artifact of the super gonorrhea he contracted from his relatives.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:16 PM (ppBhU)

He has OLD man balls. Need I say more. Do I gotta paint ya a picture

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (Irn0L)

218 "*japanese and german film crews documented evey application."

Mom, you'd tell me if you were part of a German schiza video, right?

Posted by: squid at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (S/NWs)

219 'Pipe parallelepiped.' Say it fast three times in a row. Summon Biggie Smalls.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Corrupted at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (24fqN)

220 Not at all. The Russians pump most of their gas via other pipelines. Losing NORDSTREAM made it easier to put the squeeze on Europe. Look at where the major pipelines run and tell me what you notice about how they traverse the continent.

Now you are bringing up a very complex issue. Russian Ural pipelines are like Norfolk & Southern rail lines - in serious need of maintenance. Russia did ink a deal with China to pipe petro-products through Mongolia, and I'm sure when the collapse of The Order picks up speed, Japan will also be a Russian customer. But those wells are long in the tooth and no where near as productive as during the Cold War. Furthermore, the Bigs in the oil industry are prohibited by sanctions to explore/develop. Russia is dying, and they don't have the ability to get difficult oil (as in Siberia) or through the areas that are impassable in the summer due to the bogs.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (l7lsb)

221 It's simply nuts to argue that the Russians increased their leverage by bombing the only pipelines that directly connected Russia to Germany without intermediaries.

Secretary of State Blinken on the pipeline bombings:

And ultimately this is also a tremendous opportunity. It’s a tremendous opportunity to once and for all remove the dependence on Russian energy and thus to take away from Vladimir Putin the weaponization of energy as a means of advancing his imperial designs. That’s very significant and that offers tremendous strategic opportunity for the years to come."

Yeah, that really sounds as if the Russians increased their leverage by having the pipelines destroyed. /s

Posted by: The ARC of History! at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (2tUFv)

222 191
The pipeline had already passed through Germany and got blown up in the Baltic. I have Plumbing 441 experience and can tell you that depriving nations of natural gas that already have an abundance and want to send natural gas to Germany for profit!!!?

Should be top suspects. Not the USA. Only brain dead Biden would think it made a fvcking difference. You wanna deprive Germany of natural gas? You blow the pipeline at the border, not AFTER it has passed through the country.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:28 PM (enJYY)

This is incorrect. The explosions happened in the Baltic, you can check a map. That's en-route from Russia to Germany, not already past it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (eYoxG)

223 I didn't know who Hersh was, sorry, but I scanned the article on the day it was publicized and despite its absolutely ludicrous length, I only saw a couple verifiable facts in it, and those were the quotes and they were presented quite late for the only easy facts it seemed to have.

The whole article was built around those quotes and a fuckload of speculation and storytelling. It didn't impress me and I have no horse in this race. To the extent I give an everloving fuck about any of this - I don't - I just like ferreting out the truth. It brings me pleasure.

Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (BXxcV)

224 Read the article. They used kimchee juice as a colon irrigation.*

Not one patient ever required a second treatment.

Would you show up to a second appointment if the doc spent the first one stuffing kimchi up your ass?*

* Assume for purposes of this question that the you are not German.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (ppBhU)

225 Russia blew up their own pipelines because they knew it would make it harder for themselves to return to normal relations if diplomacy reversed courses.

Simply shutting off the flow would have give Russia the ability to normalize relations again with Europe rather easily, but they didn't want because it was too simple.

It all makes sense, if you sniff enough glue.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (d7tk9)

226 Maybe it was Nambia.

Sneaky bastards.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:29 PM (XtkZj)
........

Namibia? Always throwing sand in the gears.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (v0R5T)

227 These days, it's getting harder to not view the enemies of my enemies as my friends.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (XtkZj)

228 "Sweden and Denmark, in whose exclusive economic zones the attacks on the NordStream pipelines occurred, have concluded the pipelines were blown up deliberately, but have not said who might be responsible". SO they know , but will not say.

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (V13WU)

229 If it makes Biden look bad I'll go with it if it doesn't I won't...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (bs+z0)

230 you have to love the way the Ukraine situation brings out the worst in all of us

and the fucking stupidity, never forget the stupidity

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (us2H3)

231
Might want to check your geography. Pipe is blown before Germany.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM

You might want to get out a map. Gas exits Russia, passes through Germany, then under the Baltic - where it gets blown up. Gas is flowing from East to West.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (enJYY)

232 "As Vice President, Biden warned against killing Osama bin Laden."

True. But also, as vice president, Biden had more than two functioning brain cells. Who on Earth believes Biden's calling the shots from DC or his beach house?

Posted by: red speck at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (gS3OW)

233 225 Russia blew up their own pipelines because they knew it would make it harder for themselves to return to normal relations if diplomacy reversed courses.

Simply shutting off the flow would have give Russia the ability to normalize relations again with Europe rather easily, but they didn't want because it was too simple.

It all makes sense, if you sniff enough glue.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (d7tk9

Burn the ships! We're home.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (XtkZj)

234 Hey Vickie! *rubs crotch*
You like Russian missile? HAHA Not for you!
OINK OINK awooooo
Posted by: Vlad and Boris - Moscow Local #6457
==
Fcuk you. I had Vlad and Boris both, at the same time. They even bought the vodka.

Posted by: Vicky Nuland - Moscow Nights at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (kyoeR)

235 He has OLD man balls. Need I say more. Do I gotta paint ya a picture

Don't give Hunter any ideas.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (l7lsb)

236 He has OLD man balls. Need I say more. Do I gotta paint ya a picture

If you do, send CBD a photo. For the art thread.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (ppBhU)

237 Now you are bringing up a very complex issue. Russian Ural pipelines are like Norfolk & Southern rail lines - in serious need of maintenance. Russia did ink a deal with China to pipe petro-products through Mongolia, and I'm sure when the collapse of The Order picks up speed, Japan will also be a Russian customer. But those wells are long in the tooth and no where near as productive as during the Cold War. Furthermore, the Bigs in the oil industry are prohibited by sanctions to explore/develop. Russia is dying, and they don't have the ability to get difficult oil (as in Siberia) or through the areas that are impassable in the summer due to the bogs.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (l7lsb)

Japan is a customer NOW at least of oil. There's a terminal on the coast near Japan, still running and not embargoed.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (eoQWY)

238 He has OLD man balls. Need I say more. Do I gotta paint ya a picture
Posted by: Nevergiveup

We can wait for Monday's Art Thread, thanks.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (iKBwy)

239 You might want to get out a map. Gas exits Russia, passes through Germany, then under the Baltic - where it gets blown up. Gas is flowing from East to West.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (enJYY)

GEOGRAPHY SMACKDOWN!!!!

*runs for cover*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (guGkK)

240 If you do, send CBD a photo. For the art thread.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:35 PM (ppBhU)

But no ottoman please

Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (bs+z0)

241 Eh. I think that unfortunately the Right here has tried to figure out how to make the Hersh story the biggest anti-Biden spin. Hah! They said. He did a war thing!

Which sounded a lot like trying to stir up a war well after the thing happened. So Lee Smith is going for the "this story is fake no way is Biden this competent!" play.

The Baltops and the divers with explosives right near where the pipelines blew up story came out immediately. The suspicion that it was the US is pretty obvious. I think the US did it with the Norwegians. I think there are other parts of Hersh's story that are false, and were probably seeded by sources who wanted to put discreditable information in so that it could be discredited.

I never read Hersh's story as propping up super-CINC Biden - in fact Biden is described as bumbling into it, spitting out his tough guy talk in the open, thus giving a green light without actively giving a green light.

Posted by: blaster at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (pwExq)

242 I think maybe the Andamans were involved, what with their blow guns and shit.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (v0R5T)

243 I can catch a dick whenever I want in Moscow. Just walk past a construction site at quitting time with a bottle of vodka sticking out of my purse. Works like a charm.

Posted by: Vicky Nuland - Moscow Nights at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (kyoeR)

244 I just like ferreting out the truth. It brings me pleasure.
___

So do I.

Which is why I read the Bible.

Posted by: SMH at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (Iy8Rs)

245 181 130 105 "Not on topic, but they have found kimchi to be effective against Covid and long covid:"

As a poultice, or as a plaster?

Posted by: From Tinker

A balm!

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (4oyqO)

246 Facts hardly figure into reporting anymore.

Odd... that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (Q4IgG)

247 The story Hersh's single source told him is very detailed, which makes it, as Tucker Carlson said, "impossible to not be true."

There was so much detail that it seemed like fiction to me. Have Putin or Trump said a word about the story?

Posted by: t-bird at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (CaJIi)

248 This seems like a case where Throckmorton's razor could save people a lot of grief. Maybe this Hersh guy is onto something, but given how much bad shit has gone through anonymous sources of late any story built entirely on one of those should be treated with a lot of skepticism.

Posted by: CppThis at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (PZvjL)

249 >>Hubby thought smith's critique was spot on. I don't- for one thing he sort-of credits the "Russia blew it up themselves" lunatic theory.

It's really not even Lee Smitth's critique. He got it all from a guy who was tweeting about this the other day.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (ZLI7S)

250 No way Biden makes the calm to blow up a pipeline.

Also, Biden ordered a $12 hobby balloon to be shot down with a Tomahawk missile.

Biden is recklessly cautious.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (d7tk9)

251 "Nordstream was built to circumvent countries Russia has bad relations with. They don't want to be running gas through Ukraine and Poland. "

You're completely missing the big picture. Russia had direct control over the NORD pipeline. They did not have full territorial control over the others. They were looking to put the squeeze on Europe. If your pipeline was crossing other sovereign territories, like say Ukraine, and you wanted to really squeeze Europe, because you know if they transition to other sources you will be economically devastated, what would your short play be?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (oVZ+Q)

252 These days, it's getting harder to not view the enemies of my enemies as my friends.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (XtkZj)

I view everyone as an enemy until I can make the proper determination and even then I never turn my back on anyone named Bob Ford

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (Irn0L)

253 231
Might want to check your geography. Pipe is blown before Germany.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM

You might want to get out a map. Gas exits Russia, passes through Germany, then under the Baltic - where it gets blown up. Gas is flowing from East to West.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (enJYY)

The Nordstream pipeline is from Russia to Germany.

Are you suggesting that Russia routes gas through Ukraine and Poland and then back to itself?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (eYoxG)

254 Hercule Poirot is a Belgian. He seems OK.

Posted by: I Believe Fiction at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (wrJpE)

255 I saw Toothsome Pun open for Fang Fang at the Hong Kong Cafe in Los Angeles' Chinatown district in '98.

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (DWW27)

256 Might want to check your geography. Pipe is blown before Germany.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:31 PM

You might want to get out a map. Gas exits Russia, passes through Germany, then under the Baltic - where it gets blown up. Gas is flowing from East to West.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (enJYY)

It passes down the Baltic Sea through the middle. How the hell does it get to Germany first? There's no border to mainline Russia.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (eoQWY)

257 the DeepState and/or globalist oligarchs seem to hate Russia mostly for not joining the globalists. Lots of recent talk of how China is really a paper tiger, and demographics and something something means they are DOOMED.

idk, maybe, but we still kowtow to them, mostly, even as they released their bio-weapon (even if it was our insane response that killed the most).

But it seems probable the Ukraine or others had the ability to plant mines with times. Then again Deepstate really doesn't want Germany getting too friendly/reliant on Russia. ... Where is Rhomboid when we need him, to give us all the correct answers?

Posted by: illiniwek at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (Cus5s)

258 Horde Mind activated.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (iKBwy)

259
For a 'smart military blog' there does seem to be some people who can't look at a map and figure out where Russia is in relation to the Baltic.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (enJYY)

260 It is one of those things, we invested so much into proxy war with Russia, that a sabotage on Russian pipeline is not too much of a stretch and lines up with foreign policy establishment's goals.

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (V13WU)

261 Can someone get out the risk board?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (XtkZj)

262 oh, rhomboid IS here. I'm late to the party.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (Cus5s)

263 I think Lee Smith is brilliant but wrong on this one.

Pepe Escobar also has questions for Hersh. 'Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens'. But I think it's clear Obiden did it to keep Germany from siding with their Energy Supplier. US and Norway now sell Germany ga$.

It was really an attack on Germany, as much or more than Russia. If someone blows up all the powerlines to your house, it's an attack on YOU, not the Power Company.

They laughed at Reagan's "Evil Empire". And then became it.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (Ndje9)

264 Assumes Biden in in control.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at February 17, 2023 05:39 PM (DK4U1)

265 If it wasn't the Andamans, it could have been Papua New Guinea.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (v0R5T)

266 "Would you show up to a second appointment if the doc spent the first one stuffing kimchi up your ass?"

This is the kind of content that can't be found anyplace else. That's Buddy Hackett quality. Comedy gold.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Corrupted at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (24fqN)

267 You're completely missing the big picture. Russia had direct control over the NORD pipeline. They did not have full territorial control over the others. They were looking to put the squeeze on Europe. If your pipeline was crossing other sovereign territories, like say Ukraine, and you wanted to really squeeze Europe, because you know if they transition to other sources you will be economically devastated, what would your short play be?
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (oVZ+Q)

You control ALL pipelines if you are Russia for squeeze plays, you ARE THE SOURCE. The problem with the UKR pipeline was that UKR was stealing gas from it that Russia had to pay for.

And the EU transitioning to other sources is a laugh.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (eoQWY)

268 Also Biden did oppose Nordstream 2, but he lifted the sanctions because if Trump did it he had to undo it.

Posted by: blaster at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (pwExq)

269 168 Funny Bee Headline:

President Biden arrives at Coroner's office for annual checkup.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Southpaw at February 17, 2023 05:24 PM (xPJvm)
----
It should have said 'Presidential Coroner's Office'.
The embalmer was there with one of those horse syringes.

Posted by: Ciampino --- who is actually running the USA? at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (qfLjt)

270 264 Assumes Biden in in control.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at February 17, 2023 05:39 PM (DK4U1)

According to his "Doctor" he's in super condition.....

Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (bs+z0)

271
(sigh) The U.S. is the only country who could, so that's what happened.

Posted by: Auspex at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (j4U/Z)

272 Good. Nobody suspects us.

Posted by: Penguin Liberation Front at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (OUMaO)

273 US and Norway now sell Germany ga$.

==

well, there you have it

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (V13WU)

274 Be careful out there. If you draw a picture of Old Man's Balls at work, expect to get sacked.

Posted by: Fair Warning at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (wrJpE)

275 Oh spot being so obtuse. Go read ZH and Sputnik, with the mindset they are Russian propaganda sites. Find me a consistent string of stories where they don't push the point of view most beneficial to Russia. Some of it's actually laughable. Plus the main actors behind those sites have both been linked to the FSB and other Russian agencies.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:33 PM (oVZ+Q)

Your description matches so many American news sites and outlets as well. And certainly the American MFM.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (BdMk6)

276 For a 'smart military blog' there does seem to be some people who can't look at a map and figure out where Russia is in relation to the Baltic.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Yeah. I know one, for sure.

Posted by: t-bird at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (CaJIi)

277 I got $12. I can help the Northrop Grumman achieve solvency.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (TXFi7)

278 Russia's entire economic security depends on fossil fuels. A lot of that is sold to Europe. China and India won't make that up over the long term. If they lose a fair portion of their sales to Europe, they take a significant hit. The price drops back to Trump era levels, they get out the tin cups.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (oVZ+Q)

279 You're completely missing the big picture. Russia had direct control over the NORD pipeline. They did not have full territorial control over the others. They were looking to put the squeeze on Europe. If your pipeline was crossing other sovereign territories, like say Ukraine, and you wanted to really squeeze Europe, because you know if they transition to other sources you will be economically devastated, what would your short play be?
====
"You're completely missing the big picture." Wow dude. Just wow.

isn't it ironic?

Posted by: I'm not Alanis Morrissette, but at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (VSdo9)

280 According to his "Doctor" he's in super condition.....
Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (bs+z0)

Doc says they can rebuild him. They have the technology.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (guGkK)

281 Where was Nurse during the explosion? Does she have an alibi??

You see where I'm going with this.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (XtkZj)

282 Lord,
We have a high calling, a holy calling. We are called to the truth, to be the people of the truth in a world drowning in lies.
Help us to live it out no matter how difficult or challenging it may become because this is what You’ve called us to, and this is what You’ve equipped us to do from Your Word, in the strength of Your Spirit.
Grant us grace, obedience, and faithfulness to be the people of the truth, to walk in truth—the truth, in particular, concerning You and Your Word and the gospel.
May the church which is the body of Christ be known that is the pillar and ground of the truth.
To that great calling, Lord, we understand You have called us, prepared us, and sent us. Use us to that end, we pray in our Savior’s name.
Amen.

Posted by: SMH at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (ZTzFi)

283 The reason I believe the US blew up the pipelines is because numerous Junta agents said they would stop the pipeline, so the pipeline stopped being a pipeline.

So unless someone's got something better than that, it's Occam's Brazier all the way down.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (up/3i)

284 It's incredibly revealing that Smith's claim that the details are "absurd" mostly relies on interpretations of Washington factionalism, and not on the actual operational details.

Even then, Smith is deliberately deceiving his audience about the Biden press conference. When a reporter asked how the US will be able to end the NordStream project, which was under the control of Germany and not America, Biden smiled and made the infamous promise that "we would be able to do it." Mafia dons issue less naked threats.

Nonetheless, I don't care. The die is cast: unlike Americans, the Russians aren't retarded enough to blow up their own pipeline, and only the truly devoted neocons are still asking us to blame "maintenance" when everyone else has ruled it out. It's shades of Iraqi WMDs in Syria. At some future point, NATO has the choice of either ceasing its flood of money to Voldemort Zelensky or cracking apart under the strain.

Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (DTm0P)

285 Russia blew up their own pipeline because it was smarter than just turning the valve to the 'off' position.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

True. But if you're a deadender in this conflict - like Putin. And thought that sanctions would eventually take its toll ( obviously not so far) would Putin blow it up? Because if his country is going down the tube, and he has no money, this eliminates others pressing him to end the war and turn the know back on.

I don't think he did. But I can see that scenario.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (NW9xb)

286 "Maybe it was Nambia."

Look first at the countries with multiple aliases, like Swaziland aka Eswatini. Shifty.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Corrupted at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (24fqN)

287 But it seems probable the Ukraine or others had the ability to plant mines with times. Then again Deepstate really doesn't want Germany getting too friendly/reliant on Russia. ... Where is Rhomboid when we need him, to give us all the correct answers?
Posted by: illiniwek at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (Cus5s)

UKR navy was laughable, and in the wrong sea, and all sunk. And Turkey wouldn't let warships in or out of the straights to reach anywhere else.

And they are our proxies, so if they did it, we did it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (eoQWY)

288 I can catch a dick whenever I want in Moscow. Just walk past a construction site at quitting time with a bottle of vodka sticking out of my purse. Works like a charm.
Posted by: Vicky Nuland - Moscow Nights at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (kyoeR)

Is when we unhook horses from cart for night!
WHINNY neigh HAHA
They like some fun too!

Posted by: Vlad and Boris - Moscow Local #6457 at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (v0R5T)

289 Filesystem @ 256-
Kimcher up the ass is ancient, right up there with accupuncture.

Posted by: Eromero at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (MF3yS)

290 Thanks, SMH. Amen.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (iKBwy)

291 234 Hey Vickie! *rubs crotch*
You like Russian missile? HAHA Not for you!
OINK OINK awooooo
Posted by: Vlad and Boris - Moscow Local #6457

This shouldn't make me laugh, you misogynist, but I am. Such a funny image.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (OX9vb)

292 Map of the pipelines

https://tinyurl.com/2p9d4ddw

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (V13WU)

293 Who on Earth believes Biden's calling the shots from DC or his beach house?

Posted by: red speck at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (gS3OW)

And that's #1 on the list right there

Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (BXxcV)

294 Good. Nobody suspects us.
Posted by: Penguin Liberation Front at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (OUMaO)

SPLITTERS!

Posted by: Penguin's Front of Antarctica at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (guGkK)

295 "For a 'smart military blog' there does seem to be some people ..."

I think I remember that that moniker was earned for our support of the GWOT and Iraq War.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Corrupted at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (24fqN)

296 Because if his country is going down the tube, and he has no money, this eliminates others pressing him to end the war and turn the know back on.

I don't think he did. But I can see that scenario.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (NW9xb)

No it doesn't, because the pipes through Ukraine and Poland still exist.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (eoQWY)

297 Russia doesn't need us. They have oil, gasoline, and food.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (TXFi7)

298 Bechuanaland is jealous.

Posted by: Fair Warning at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (wrJpE)

299 According to his "Doctor" he's in super condition.....
Posted by: It's me donna

Has anyone checked to see if Fetterman and Bidens Dr are the same person?

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (DB16e)

300 27 All of this assumes Biden is actually making decisions.
Posted by: adam at February 17, 2023 04:59 PM (o9tIL)

And he's not. The person who is has him as the fall guy, though and can do all sorts of nasty stuff. The senile guy will not be punished.

Posted by: CN at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (Zzbjj)

301 You might want to get out a map. Gas exits Russia, passes through Germany, then under the Baltic - where it gets blown up. Gas is flowing from East to West.

Germany and Russia do not share a common land border so the path you've described is physically impossible. Perhaps you're thinking of some other country?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (Bd6X8)

302
True. But if you're a deadender in this conflict - like Putin. And thought that sanctions would eventually take its toll ( obviously not so far) would Putin blow it up? Because if his country is going down the tube, and he has no money, this eliminates others pressing him to end the war and turn the know back on.

I don't think he did. But I can see that scenario.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at February 17, 2023 05:42 PM (NW9xb)

The option to turn the gas back on (without Poland or Ukraine getting a say in the matter) was Russia's best leverage over Germany. Losing that option doesn't help their military or diplomatic situation and keeps Germany from going wobbly.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (eYoxG)

303 (sigh) The U.S. is the only country who could, so that's what happened.

Planting explosives is one thing, the whole do it, cover it up, and make sure that anyone discovers who did it won't report it is quite another.

Why would Sweden and Denmark refuse to make public the sabotage? Especially if it was Russia?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (l7lsb)

304 Biden is recklessly cautious.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:37 PM (d7tk9)

---------

Heh, or is he cautiously reckless?

Imma gonna have to create an AI ChatBot to consider the implications of both before making a decision ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (DWW27)

305 Route of Nordstream 2

https://tinyurl.com/2p8vcre2

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:45 PM (XlE1Z)

306 301 "You might want to get out a map. Gas exits Russia, passes through Germany, then under the Baltic - where it gets blown up. Gas is flowing from East to West."

Germany and Russia do not share a common land border so the path you've described is physically impossible. Perhaps you're thinking of some other country?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (Bd6X

Or the wrong sea.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:45 PM (eYoxG)

307 If they lose a fair portion of their sales to Europe, they take a significant hit. The price drops back to Trump era levels, they get out the tin cups.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (oVZ+Q)

Russia has lost a great deal of its energy volume to Europe, and yet is enjoying a banner year economically. I was as astonished as anyone at their resilience at the start of the conflict.

Now, Trump era energy policy would definitely work against Russia- but it would also work against bug-eaters and cabal pedophiles like Schwab, Soros, and Bloomberg, so that's not going to happen. You would need a well-maintained industrial machine and a patriotic population to risk war with Russia. Going back on that is suicide for the globalists, so they have to make do.

Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 05:45 PM (DTm0P)

308 Good. Nobody suspects us.
Posted by: Penguin Liberation Front at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (OUMaO)
........

You're always suspect. Way too cute for your own good.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:45 PM (v0R5T)

309 Has anyone checked to see if Fetterman and Bidens Dr are the same person?

My money is on Bing's AI "Sydney".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:46 PM (l7lsb)

310 "And the EU transitioning to other sources is a laugh."

You have a lot now coming in from Scandinavia that wasn't going to be developed. You know, because the Scandi's were going to go all in on "clean" energy and the Russians were only too happy to backfill. They have also stepped up their imports of LNG. It may take a few years, but with the right plan they will step away from a lot of the Russian NG. They've finally realized that Russia is willing to use it as a weapon.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:46 PM (oVZ+Q)

311 According to his "Doctor" he's in super condition.....

Posted by: It's me donna at February 17, 2023 05:40 PM (bs+z0)

The operation to get rid of him speeds down the hill like a dead roadrunner.

Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 05:46 PM (BXxcV)

312 The reason I believe the US blew up the pipelines is because numerous Junta agents said they would stop the pipeline, so the pipeline stopped being a pipeline.

So unless someone's got something better than that, it's Occam's Brazier all the way down.
==
and then, they took a bow afterwards.

But NOOOOO Putin did it. FFS I like a good yarn as much as the next guy, but that right there is reee donkey diculous.

Posted by: I'm not Alanis Morrissette, but at February 17, 2023 05:46 PM (xJa8C)

313 My map is better

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:46 PM (V13WU)

314 for one, it's in English

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (V13WU)

315 They did not have full territorial control over the others. They were looking to put the squeeze on Europe. If your pipeline was crossing other sovereign territories, like say Ukraine, and you wanted to really squeeze Europe, because you know if they transition to other sources you will be economically devastated, what would your short play be?
Posted by: Marcus T

Originally, the purpose of the Baltic pipes was to eliminate Ukr/Pol control of Rus supplying gas to EU.
Russia did not want hostile states having control of it's revenue stream. It did not want to have Ukr able to blow up the pipes in case Russia invaded Ukr.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (4oyqO)

316 Russia doesn't need us. They have oil, gasoline, and food.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 17, 2023 05:43 PM (TXFi7)
And they've signed a deal to start building an overland pipeline to India/Iran just in case China doesn't want all of it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (eoQWY)

317 Where was Nurse during the explosion? Does she have an alibi??

You see where I'm going with this.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (XtkZj)
-----------
Woodpeckers?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (XlE1Z)

318 It's been fun, folks. But I'm out.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (BdMk6)

319 You'll know for certain it was the US that blew it when they drop a story that Trump had a plan to blow the line.

But it was a bad plan cause Trump is a maniac.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (5EnGD)

320 Are Biden's aviators AI?

Posted by: N.Lurker at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (eGTCV)

321
Who says Biden is calling the shots?

I get the feeling that we are being governed by Proxy by 3 or 4 Obamaphiles.

Posted by: portlandon at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (+oR7L)

322 305 Route of Nordstream 2

https://tinyurl.com/2p8vcre2
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:45 PM (XlE1Z

See? Germany is right...wait

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (XtkZj)

323 Allied troops have landed in Normandy:
youtube.com/watch?v=9tKbZJ-NENo

Reporters give plausible-sounding accounts of the action, despite the fog of war, and all their listeners believe what they're pitching.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Corrupted at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (24fqN)

324 Russia did not want hostile states having control of it's revenue stream. It did not want to have Ukr able to blow up the pipes in case Russia invaded Ukr.
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (4oyqO)

And Ukr was stealing gas all the time.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (eoQWY)

325 The Ukrainians did it. They think it prevents the EU from selling them out and making separate deals with Russia. In the end Russia will own what’s left of Ukraine and the EU will claim that was the plan all along.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (9X60i)

326 317 Where was Nurse during the explosion? Does she have an alibi??

You see where I'm going with this.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (XtkZj)
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Woodpeckers?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (XlE1Z

*puts finger on side of nose and points at Captain Obvious

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (XtkZj)

327 "Russia has lost a great deal of its energy volume to Europe, and yet is enjoying a banner year economically. "

Dig down on the numbers and sources. It's not sustainable, especially in a falling price environment. They are also being financially bled over their presence in Ukraine. If that continues and global energy prices drop, they are in a bad place.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (oVZ+Q)

328
Germany and Russia do not share a common land border so the path you've described is physically impossible. Perhaps you're thinking of some other country?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM

Yes, it's passing through other countries before getting to Germany. But Russian gas is not traveling from Norway or Sweden to Germany. Anyone spending two minutes with a map would see that.

You don't cut off Germany's access to NG by cutting the pipeline AFTER it has passed through the country.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (enJYY)

329 You know who else uses gas as a weapon ?

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (V13WU)

330 326 317 Where was Nurse during the explosion? Does she have an alibi??

You see where I'm going with this.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:41 PM (XtkZj)
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Woodpeckers?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (XlE1Z

*puts finger on side of nose and points at Captain Obvious
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (XtkZj)

The Russian Woodpecker?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (zZu0s)

331 257
idk, maybe, but we still kowtow to them, mostly, even as they released their bio-weapon (even if it was our insane response that killed the most).

Posted by: illiniwek at February 17, 2023 05:38 PM (Cus5s)
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I thought that it was established that Covid-19 was made in China but with our money and expertise. Fauci and all deeply involved.

Posted by: Ciampino - Fauci - The Gnome of Bethesda at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (qfLjt)

332 So vein.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (ueD6c)

333 I think that the Deep State decided to blow the pipeline, they told Biden the plan and he bragged about there being a plan.

The Deep State gambled that Russia did not want to go to war with NATO and they were right. They got away with it.

Posted by: blaster at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (pwExq)

334 Why would Sweden and Denmark refuse to make public the sabotage? Especially if it was Russia?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (l7lsb)

By that logic, the occupation government of Poland couldn't keep death camps a secret from the rest of the world. The obvious answer is that they're in far too deep to back down now. Even assuming the cabal wouldn't burn any Epstein visitor in the Scandinavian governments in retaliation, enraged Europeans would be fitting their leaders for hemp neckties if they found their government collaborated to destroy NordStream.

So the Swedes have to lie about it, even when most people are smart enough to realize what their very slow investigation means.

Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (DTm0P)

335 The Russian Woodpecker?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (zZu0s

I see you're familiar.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (XtkZj)

336 Has anyone checked to see if Fetterman and Bidens Dr are the same person?

Posted by: Fool Otto at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (DB16e)

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Fetterman IS Biden's doctor.

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (DWW27)

337 And Ukr was stealing gas all the time.
Posted by: Oldcat

Like running a money pipe through Detroit.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (iKBwy)

338 You know who else has a shitty economy ?

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (V13WU)

339 You know who else uses gas as a weapon ?
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (V13WU)

This is about us, isn't it?

Posted by: Eric Swall"farts"well and Joe TootinBiden at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (Ed8Zd)

340 338 You know who else has a shitty economy ?
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (V13WU)

Greece?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (XtkZj)

341 I just like ferreting out the truth.

I like ferrets. That's almost the same thing.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (ppBhU)

342 You know who else uses gas as a weapon ?
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (V13WU)
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Lyle and the boys?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (XlE1Z)

343 328
Germany and Russia do not share a common land border so the path you've described is physically impossible. Perhaps you're thinking of some other country?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM

Yes, it's passing through other countries before getting to Germany. But Russian gas is not traveling from Norway or Sweden to Germany. Anyone spending two minutes with a map would see that.

You don't cut off Germany's access to NG by cutting the pipeline AFTER it has passed through the country.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (enJYY)

The Baltic is the route between Russia and Germany to deliver natural gas to Germany. It's why Nordstream was built. The explosion happened in the Baltic.

It existed to circumvent other countries to deliver gas from Russia to Germany. It does did not get blown up on some route to another country, it got blown up on a direct route between Russia and Germany..

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (eYoxG)

344 The reason I think it was Russia blew up its own pipelines is pretty simple.

Russia are the bad guys. Putin is the bad guy.

America is the good guys. Biden is the head good guy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (d7tk9)

345 Russia has lost a great deal of its energy volume to Europe, and yet is enjoying a banner year economically. I was as astonished as anyone at their resilience at the start of the conflict.

Posted by: trev006

No one was surprised. I predicted this. oil and gas are fungible and everytime we raise the price Russia benefits.
They lowered volume, but at a higher price. Fucking geniuses in DC and EU need to look at a FUCKING SUPPLY AND DEMAND graph. This was all SO SO SO predicable.

Now, instead they deny it is happening and claim that russia is on the ropes. They can't be this stupid - it has to be intentional to destroy Western economies.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (4oyqO)

346 It may take a few years, but with the right plan they will step away from a lot of the Russian NG. They've finally realized that Russia is willing to use it as a weapon.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:46 PM (oVZ+Q)

Of course all of that aside from Norway's pipeline to Poland was in response to the US blowing the pipes, and will massively increase energy costs in Germany.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (eoQWY)

347 Russia are the bad guys. Putin is the bad guy.

America is the good guys. Biden is the head good guy.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

LOL thank you, ChatGPT.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (iKBwy)

348 Anybody seen the recent pic of Palin going around where se has fake boobs as dressed like she is leading a 7 day hands on Tantra Workshop?
If not, you should. And check out Bristol's Insta. My Goodness she is pretty.

Posted by: Joker at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (ZXhTx)

349 211 >>Commenters here pointed out, very incisively*, "Dracula is 'very detailed' too -- does that make it true as well?"

No, but reporters can call people who would know and the more detail you put into a fabrication, the easier it is to disprove. So either (a) it is real, or (b) it is fake, but they wanted it to be easily disproved. or (c - a longshot ) it is an extension of the truth and the discussions were real but only as a contingency which was decided against. And the story was put out by people who knew those true details and added the ending.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:32 PM (4oyqO)

There's been plenty of time to fabricate an airtight lie.

The big problem with Hersh is, and has always been, he doesn't vet his sources. It makes him easy to manipulate by people with an agenda.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (wGeit)

350
Like running a money pipe through Detroit.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM

Ever see the jumper cables attached to power lines in Detroit? It's surprising anyone is alive in that city.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (enJYY)

351 Who on Earth believes Biden's calling the shots from DC or his beach house? Posted by: red speck at February 17, 2023 05:34 PM (gS3OW);/i]

When no one is in a position to say "no" then stupid things get done. Hersh's entire chain of events shows a plan ushered past critical gatekeepers, where no one single person could see what was being carried out

Improbable, especially when the system is healthy, but here all the players are stuffing their own pockets and expensing their vacations, not tending to the actual job of running thngs

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (xhaym)

352 339 You know who else uses gas as a weapon ?
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (V13WU)

my ex

why she is my ex

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (us2H3)

353 "Russia did not want hostile states having control of its revenue stream. It did not want to have Ukr able to blow up the pipes in case Russia invaded Ukr."

This is of course, fallacy. Russia selling gas to Europe, is selling to "hostile" states, given they are largely funding Ukraines war. I also have no doubt that Russia could control the entire length of their pipelines across Ukraine if they so desired. But they don't need to, especially now they are the only way Europe is getting NG.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:52 PM (oVZ+Q)

354 Anyone check to see who insured Nord Stream II? If anyone at all. Cuz... if I were Russia and was currently in a bitchin' war and needed some cash ASAP to fund said war, I might want to fuck with NATO who's currently fucking me in the ass with their assistance and weapons to said wartime enemy.

YMMV (knowing full well this sort of thing "never happens."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 17, 2023 05:53 PM (Q4IgG)

355 Now, instead they deny it is happening and claim that russia is on the ropes. They can't be this stupid - it has to be intentional to destroy Western economies.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (4oyqO)

And of course, with the rule that any third country can add a cup of 'other' oil and sell it on as good oil to the US and EU for a large markup Russia can make bank for a long time on energy "legally".

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:53 PM (eoQWY)

356 Why would Sweden and Denmark refuse to make public the sabotage? Especially if it was Russia?
Posted by: Reuben Hick

Maybe, but I think it was Poland. For anyone except Russia they would keep it secret.

(Of course you all understand that I don't know it was Poland. I am just making the claim as a likely but overlooked possibility. I accept that I may be totally wrong.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:54 PM (4oyqO)

357 Did anyone ever explain the British prime Minister sending the "it's done" message to Anthony Blinken immediately after the blast?

Posted by: RIP Tyler Nichols - Those white supremacist cops will face justice at February 17, 2023 05:54 PM (Emu9a)

358 Russia did not want hostile states having control of it's revenue stream. It did not want to have Ukr able to blow up the pipes in case Russia invaded Ukr.
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (4oyqO)

Now do the pipelines that go through Poland, Hungary and Ukraine.
This is not a good argument because almost all of Russia's pipelines go through other states

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 05:54 PM (xhaym)

359 Missing one of the trees in the forest. Biden is all in on destroying Natural Gas and Petroleum use. He is doing it here in this country, and wants to get the EU off oil as well. Destroying the pipelines FORCES the EU to create alternate energy types.

Why? I have no idea... but judging by their actions, it is a major goal.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 17, 2023 05:54 PM (oHd/0)

360 maybe if we can stop with the "Rusiia is the bad guy" theory

we can pull our head out of ass and identify our enemies

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:55 PM (us2H3)

361 Eh, this had the stench of falsehood all over it from the beginning.

One, Seymour Hersh. The possibility that he's not spouting Pure Grade A BS or lies or disinformation is roughly the same as me flying to the moon on gossamer wings.

Two, Biden has three and only three moves with regard to foreign enemies:
1) Do nothing or surrender
2) Pay them lots of money
3) Pay them more money

Three, if the US really did blow up the pipeline. Biden didn't order it. And that's a HUGE story.
Biden's handlers or the Pentagon chiefs made that call. And heads should roll.
The a-holes ignored and undermined President Trump's lawful orders.
Do you really think they'd have any problem punching the button and then convincing Preezy Punchy that he had if necessary or more likely just keep that info from him.

Four, it's fucking Seymour Hersh. C'mon, man!

Posted by: naturalfake at February 17, 2023 05:55 PM (KLPy8)

362 Question: are repairs to Nord Stream underway?

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:55 PM (iKBwy)

363 It's been fun, folks. But I'm out.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (BdMk6)
........

Don't leave now, we've almost got this figured out.

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (v0R5T)

364 Yes, it's passing through other countries before getting to Germany. But Russian gas is not traveling from Norway or Sweden to Germany. Anyone spending two minutes with a map would see that.

You don't cut off Germany's access to NG by cutting the pipeline AFTER it has passed through the country.

I tied to give you the benefit of the doubt. Here's a map of the Nordstream pipelines: https://bit.ly/3Eg8Dk1

Good luck with your argumentation. I don't believe it will be successful.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (Bd6X8)

365 They lowered volume, but at a higher price. Fucking geniuses in DC and EU need to look at a FUCKING SUPPLY AND DEMAND graph. This was all SO SO SO predicable.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (4oyqO)

And if we keep them from shipping gas doesn't make the gas go away. They could sell it as 'futures' and get money now for future deliveries or resale.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

366 This is of course, fallacy. Russia selling gas to Europe, is selling to "hostile" states,...
Posted by: Marcus T

Sure, now. I said the original intention. Russia thought they could do this without the EU supporting Ukr.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (4oyqO)

367 358 Russia did not want hostile states having control of it's revenue stream. It did not want to have Ukr able to blow up the pipes in case Russia invaded Ukr.
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (4oyqO)

Now do the pipelines that go through Poland, Hungary and Ukraine.
This is not a good argument because almost all of Russia's pipelines go through other states
Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 05:54 PM (xhaym)

Ukraine wasn't hostile a decade ago. Nordstream was built in more recent times to address more recent political concerns. The other pipelines are much older.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (eYoxG)

368 362 Question: are repairs to Nord Stream underway?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:55 PM (iKBwy)

should be finished this year

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (us2H3)

369 So do I.

Which is why I read the Bible.

Posted by: SMH at February 17, 2023 05:36 PM (Iy8Rs)

Man you are snappy today, I think I'll keep my hands in the vehicle at all times

Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (BXxcV)

370 Who lets Biden tell them what to do?

Posted by: davidt at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (SYTee)

371 I think that the Deep State decided to blow the pipeline, they told Biden the plan and he bragged about there being a plan.

The Deep State gambled that Russia did not want to go to war with NATO and they were right. They got away with it.

---------

Out: Occam's Razor.
In: Blaster's Razor.
Posted by: blaster at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (pwExq)

Posted by: ShainS -- Slaves no longer require coercion because they love their servitude at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (DWW27)

372 The problem continues to be that everyone wanted that pipeline busted except maybe all those widowed Mrs Schroeder who are living on their deceased husband's pension and now get to decide on food or warmth, and the industries that are priced out of operating in Germany.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (xhaym)

373 Question: are repairs to Nord Stream underway?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 05:55 PM (iKBwy)

No.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

374 Re: sidebar

Ever notice that most song lyrics written out of context are drivel?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (zZu0s)

375 It should also be noted that Biden's sanctions did very little to Russia, but they absolutely devastated the United States.

Posted by: RIP Tyler Nichols - Those white supremacist cops will face justice at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (Emu9a)

376 " even as they released their bio-weapon (even if it was our insane response that killed the most).Posted by: illiniwek
----
I thought that it was established that Covid-19 was made in China but with our money and expertise. Fauci and all deeply involved. Posted by: Ciampino

yes, but China released it to the world. But imo our insane (over reaction, but also evil withholding of early effective treatment) response killed more than the actual release of the virus.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (Cus5s)

377 I believe the Chynese did it and hoped it would be blamed on the douchebag in the WH.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (D25PY)

378 Russia did not want hostile states having control of it's revenue stream. It did not want to have Ukr able to blow up the pipes in case Russia invaded Ukr.
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at February 17, 2023 05:47 PM (4oyqO)

The pipeline company was not even being run out of Russia. Nordstream is based in SWITZERLAND.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (oHd/0)

379 Apparently Putin only travels by armored train now a days. Ya know who else traveled that way right. And And And I hear he had terrible gas

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (Irn0L)

380 357 Did anyone ever explain the British prime Minister sending the "it's done" message to Anthony Blinken immediately after the blast?
Posted by: RIP Tyler Nichols
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Nope. Since the event, evidence leans toward UK, US, and/or Poland as possible suspects and away from the accidental because Swedes allege finding explosive residue in their investigation of it.

Posted by: whig at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (FCIwJ)

381 maybe if we can stop with the "Rusiia is the bad guy" theory
we can pull our head out of ass and identify our enemies
Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 05:55 PM (us2H3)

No, no no! It's so easy to sit back and let the Russians be the bad guys.

Next you'll be telling me to think for myself and wash my ass now and then.

Sheesh!

Posted by: American Idiot at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (R/m4+)

382 Russia is not our friend. Especially Putin. But that said, we have a lot of common interests that would help us mitigate and overcome a lot of our more severe issues. But the Democrats chose to instead use Russia as their political weapon, and make things worse. Even to the point of pushing the war in Ukraine to dangerous levels.

When you start backing a country into a corner, and they can see things such as if the global oil price drops down again they are going to suffer greatly, they will strike out in ways that are very dangerous. The people running out government are incompetent, power hungry ideologues. That never ends well.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (oVZ+Q)

383 Ted Cruz says he believes whatever Joe Biden says and we need to respect Joe Biden's privacy.

Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (BXxcV)

384 The problem continues to be that everyone wanted that pipeline busted except maybe all those widowed Mrs Schroeder who are living on their deceased husband's pension and now get to decide on food or warmth, and the industries that are priced out of operating in Germany.
Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (xhaym)

Coincidentally I'm sure, we just made it more friendly for factories from certain countries to relocate to the USA. Ones that rhyme with Bermany.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (eoQWY)

385 Four, it's fucking Seymour Hersh. C'mon, man!

What a brilliant way to take the spot-light off of the perpetrators of this Act of War!!

Use some totally untrustworthy journalist to write an article, point out the journalist is a hack and thus even the basic premise is considered "debunked".

I love the power of ad hominem to argue a point.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (l7lsb)

386 You know who else uses gas as a weapon ?
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (V13WU)
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Lyle and the boys?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (XlE1Z)
........

Mexico?

Posted by: wth at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (v0R5T)

387 >>>360 maybe if we can stop with the "Rusiia is the bad guy" theory

we can pull our head out of ass and identify our enemies
Posted by: REDACTED at

some are stuck in the cold war and think the soviet union still exists.

Posted by: x at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (ZBPE2)

388 But, butt, we all KNOW Biden did it.

Posted by: Marooned at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (kt8QE)

389 Dig down on the numbers and sources. It's not sustainable, especially in a falling price environment. They are also being financially bled over their presence in Ukraine. If that continues and global energy prices drop, they are in a bad place.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 05:48 PM (oVZ+Q)

Let's just say that NG prices are hardly "falling" in the United States. If the situation is severe enough to be addressed by Biden organs, then it's hardly a short term problem.

https://tinyurl.com/45yhx4k6

But I'm grateful for a chance to address the idea that Russia is being "bled," because the economics were the core assurance neocons needed to sell this war in the first place. Russia isn't raising interest rates to stop record inflation: NATO is. Russia's militarily investment in Ukraine isn't unsustainable: NATO's absolutely is. Really, the best thing for Putin and the CPC to do would be encourage major NATO military investment. The UK got rocked by strikes this year, and more are on the way. If there's no post-pandemic bounty, you're going to see regime change pop up in Europe. Guaranteed.

Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (DTm0P)

390 But why in a sabotage scenario was one pipe left untouched? One line of NS2 is undamaged. If the goal was to shut down all deliveries, why leave 1 operational?

Posted by: scruboak at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (jjH9L)

391 359 Missing one of the trees in the forest. Biden is all in on destroying Natural Gas and Petroleum use. He is doing it here in this country, and wants to get the EU off oil as well. Destroying the pipelines FORCES the EU to create alternate energy types.

Why? I have no idea... but judging by their actions, it is a major goal.
Posted by: Romeo13

This is a good point. I have no doubt that the globohomo crowd in EU and US cheered the destruction.
Also China, but for different reasons.
Two reasons the US would have wanted the pipes gone, but still I think Biden has no balls, and would have final veto.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (4oyqO)

392 Apparently Putin only travels by armored train now a days.

===

according to our deep embeds in Russia ???

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (V13WU)

393
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Here's a map of the Nordstream pipelines: https://bit.ly/3Eg8Dk1

Good luck with your argumentation. I don't believe it will be successful.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM

I just pulled up a similar map. Mea culpa. Incredible expense to go undersea for that distance defies logic.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (enJYY)

394 Hey anyone have the toll free reservation's number for the GreenBrier Hotel?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (Irn0L)

395 What a brilliant way to take the spot-light off of the perpetrators of this Act of War!!

Use some totally untrustworthy journalist to write an article, point out the journalist is a hack and thus even the basic premise is considered "debunked".

I love the power of ad hominem to argue a point.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (l7lsb)

Well a few people here did note that using Hersh as the mouthpiece of this might be just an op to float a discreditable overly detailed version of the story.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (eYoxG)

396 I like to skim the clift notes on da bible

lets me ride withthe wind to my back

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (us2H3)

397 390 But why in a sabotage scenario was one pipe left untouched? One line of NS2 is undamaged. If the goal was to shut down all deliveries, why leave 1 operational?
Posted by: scruboak

A dude. This is why I think Sweden was easily able to identify the source. My guess.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (4oyqO)

398 It should also be noted that Biden's sanctions did very little to Russia, but they absolutely devastated the United States.
Posted by: RIP Tyler Nichols - Those white supremacist cops will face justice at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (Emu9a)

Just because the pistol you overloaded blew your hand off, doesn't mean you didn't mean to kill someone with it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (eoQWY)

399 Putin won't even allow Transgender Storytime.

Does that sound like a good guy to you?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (d7tk9)

400 It may take a few years, but with the right plan they will step away from a lot of the Russian NG. They've finally realized that Russia is willing to use it as a weapon.
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Kind of like how the rest of the world is losing interest in using dollars which makes it harder to hide the inflation caused by federal spending.

Posted by: Methos at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (kOpft)

401 Ever notice that most song lyrics written out of context are drivel?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:57 PM (zZu0s)
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I read that Rossini commented that singing is a way to make the lyrics sound less idiotic.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (XlE1Z)

402 362 Question: are repairs to Nord Stream underway?
Posted by: Taq

Latest stories don't appear that is so as of Feb 2023. One company in Norway claims it is blocked from doing so by sanctions and Germans have not announced any plans either.

Posted by: whig at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (FCIwJ)

403 Lee Smith is full of shit, and an agent of Putin...

Isn't that how this works? If you want to question Hersh, fine. He's a blowhard, and sometimes gets stuff wrong, but I don't know why I should take the word of Lee Smith.

He's just a name, and some people like the way he writes. As far as I can tell though, he's just another guy in the Big Con journalist universe. Of no use to me.

Because yeah, America blew up the pipeline. Period. Anyone saying anything different is a liar.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (mSifz)

404 I said it when Hersh's article came out - Hersh's source knew the truth would come out so he decided to make himself the hero of the story - I warned them that it was an act of war! But they did it anyway!

Posted by: blaster at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (pwExq)

405 Why would Sweden and Denmark refuse to make public the sabotage? Especially if it was Russia?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:44 PM (l7lsb)

Sweden wants to be in NATO some day?

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (xhaym)

406 some are stuck in the cold war and think the soviet union still exists.

====

those are just tools played by globalists, who have other agenda

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (V13WU)

407 Russia isn't a "bad guy". They're fighting for autonomy against a Satanic globalist pure-evil empire hell-bent on permanent global domination.

Hey, so are MAGA!

That's how I see things. Choosing which team to root for, for all the good it does, has always been an easy decision.

I'm never rooting for the Satanists.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (iKBwy)

408 >>The Deep State gambled that Russia did not want to go to war with NATO and they were right. They got away with it.

We might not have soldiers on the battlefield, yet, but NATO is at war with NATO. And right now it appears he has the upper hand.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (ZLI7S)

409 A dude. This is why I think Sweden was easily able to identify the source. My guess.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (4oyqO)

In other words, "The Dude abides"

Posted by: scruboak at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (jjH9L)

410 some are stuck in the cold war and think the soviet union still exists.

Posted by: x at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (ZBPE2)

It does. They just moved their operations here.

Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (BXxcV)

411 Mea culpa.
Posted by: Divide by Zero a

I applaud you, sir.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (4oyqO)

412 Just because the pistol you overloaded blew your hand off, doesn't mean you didn't mean to kill someone with it.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (eoQWY)
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Alec Baldwin and Michelle Fields weep.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (XlE1Z)

413 But why in a sabotage scenario was one pipe left untouched? One line of NS2 is undamaged. If the goal was to shut down all deliveries, why leave 1 operational?
Posted by: scruboak

A dude. This is why I think Sweden was easily able to identify the source. My guess.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:00 PM (4oyqO)

Not everything that happens is planned, or was what they wanted to happen.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:02 PM (eoQWY)

414 390 But why in a sabotage scenario was one pipe left untouched? One line of NS2 is undamaged. If the goal was to shut down all deliveries, why leave 1 operational?
Posted by: scruboak at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (jjH9L)

Keep in mind that both western governments and Russia say it was sabotage. Including the only governments to have actually investigated the matter.

The sabotage efforts on Nordstream 2B may have simply failed for some reason. Missions aren't always executed to perfection.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 06:03 PM (eYoxG)

415 Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (DTm0P)

Data point, Russia's Oil Exports AND Revenue, are both UP since they 'invaded'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 17, 2023 06:03 PM (oHd/0)

416 Mea culpa.
Posted by: Divide by Zero a

I applaud you, sir.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (4oyqO)

Yes, so do I

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:03 PM (eoQWY)

417 Now, instead they deny it is happening and claim that russia is on the ropes. They can't be this stupid - it has to be intentional to destroy Western economies.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 05:50 PM (4oyqO)

Well, energy is only one part of the equation. And the same lackeys who assured us Russia could no longer source electronics are watching the weekly annihilation of the Ukrainian energy grid by precision missiles. I agree that all of this is designed to destroy Western economic potential even when our Wall Street overlords call for austerity, but the resilience of Russia under such pressure makes it profoundly unwise to engage in simultaneous warfare with China. And yet that's what they are pushing.

Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 06:03 PM (DTm0P)

418 Ukraine wasn't hostile a decade ago. Nordstream was built in more recent times to address more recent political concerns. The other pipelines are much older.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 17, 2023 05:56 PM (eYoxG)

I think we are arguing past each other. Sorry

Posted by: Kindltot at February 17, 2023 06:03 PM (xhaym)

419 ever notice the people that support Ukraine think Biden is a good guy ?

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (us2H3)

420 390 But why in a sabotage scenario was one pipe left untouched? One line of NS2 is undamaged. If the goal was to shut down all deliveries, why leave 1 operational?
Posted by: scruboak at February 17, 2023 05:59 PM (jjH9L)

A dud?

Posted by: blaster at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (pwExq)

421 Not everything that happens is planned, or was what they wanted to happen.

Hersh stated in an interview that only 6 of the 8 explosives detonated.

He also says he has plenty more info as well.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (d7tk9)

422 We might not have soldiers on the battlefield, yet, but NATO is at war with NATO. And right now it appears he has the upper hand.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (ZLI7S)

Yeah, that Green Beret who got killed over there... yeah... he was AWOL... really... trust us...

/spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (oHd/0)

423 Seymour Butts > Seymour Hersch

Posted by: SFGoth at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (KAi1n)

424 some are stuck in the cold war and think the soviet union still exists.

Posted by: x at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (ZBPE2)

It does. They just moved their operations here.
Posted by: ... at February 17, 2023 06:01 PM (BXxcV)

Putin gave a speech a year or so ago describing how the West was acting more and more like the old Soviet Union.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (eoQWY)

425 yes, but China released it to the world.
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I don't think they did.

I think Italy probably came from our labs in Ukraine.

Posted by: RIP Tyler Nichols - Those white supremacist cops will face justice at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (Emu9a)

426 some are stuck in the cold war and think the soviet union still exists.
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It does, it's just called NATO these days.

Posted by: Methos at February 17, 2023 06:05 PM (kOpft)

427 what exactly is purpose of NATO these days ?

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 06:05 PM (V13WU)

428 One thing about Lee Smith -- he was the first to call bs on Trump and the Russians. Back in Feb 2017 he did an article in Tablet going over how a guy at Village Voice made a living writing about Trump in NYC as did some others and there was never anything. Maybe not conclusive, but it certainly made sense and it's proved true.

Posted by: john oh at February 17, 2023 06:05 PM (Zc9Yr)

429 Putin gave a speech a year or so ago describing how the West was acting more and more like the old Soviet Union.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:04 PM (eoQWY)

He's not wrong.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 06:05 PM (zZu0s)

430 Data point, Russia's Oil Exports AND Revenue, are both UP since they 'invaded'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 17, 2023 06:03 PM (oHd/0)

Exactly so. Russia can afford to sell cheaply to India and China WHILE charging exorbitant rates to non-preferred customers. And thanks to the NordStream attack, a future precedent has been set.

Posted by: trev006 at February 17, 2023 06:05 PM (DTm0P)

431 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 06:06 PM (zZu0s)

432 427 what exactly is purpose of NATO these days ?
Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 06:05 PM (V13WU)

Destroy Russia... same as it ever was...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 17, 2023 06:06 PM (oHd/0)

433 Putin woulda never shorted the ruble before the invasion

cuz that would be insider trading

Posted by: REDACTED at February 17, 2023 06:06 PM (us2H3)

434 to bully nations into whatever DC corruptocrats want ?

Posted by: runner at February 17, 2023 06:06 PM (V13WU)

435 I will not rest until the rainbow flag flies over the Kremlin!

Posted by: Miss Lindsey at February 17, 2023 06:06 PM (fs1hN)

436 " If there's no post-pandemic bounty, you're going to see regime change pop up in Europe. Guaranteed."

The only way you will see regime change in Europe is when people wake up and figure out this is one very big distraction. I have no doubt we will see in the next year or so, significant financial headwinds. Ditto for parts of Europe. But we are much more diversified than Russia and therefore able to work our way through these things. The factors that raised energy prices won't last forever and hopefully the assholes running out government will be gone in two years. But Russia has always had a very fragile petroeconomy and that doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon. Putin is more focused on conquest to distract from that fact.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 06:07 PM (oVZ+Q)

437 The story Hersh's single source told him is very detailed, which makes it, as Tucker Carlson said, "impossible to not be true."

A common failing of liars is providing far too much detail in order to sound plausible.

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord In Residence at February 17, 2023 06:07 PM (4OUQ9)

438 Thar B a NOOD !

Posted by: JT at February 17, 2023 06:07 PM (T4tVD)

439 I love the power of ad hominem to argue a point.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 05:58 PM (l7lsb)

Meh, it's not ad hominem.

Hersh has a long and distinguished career of being wrong and passing along straight out lies, and Russian disinformation all served with creamy anti-American gravy labeled all over it.

It's not ad hominem to add a person's past actions to what is happening at the present. That's called using evidence.

If you're unfamiliar with Hersh's background look it up, then you can relieve your gawping credulity.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 17, 2023 06:08 PM (KLPy8)

440 I just pulled up a similar map. Mea culpa. Incredible expense to go undersea for that distance defies logic.

Shit happens. At least you know how to handle a mistake.

Now we can move on to important stuff, Ginger or Mary Ann?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at February 17, 2023 06:09 PM (Bd6X8)

441 >>some are stuck in the cold war and think the soviet union still exists.

I think the world is more complex and we are fighting many wars on many fronts.

Russia is an ally in the globohom wars (which may be the most important.)

Russia is also evil and trying to expand its empire. So is China. Globohomo is working with China. If Russia wins, china wins, globohomo wins.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:10 PM (4oyqO)

442 If you're unfamiliar with Hersh's background look it up, then you can relieve your gawping credulity.

The story is independent of Hersh. We had it figured out here and at a dozen other websites days after it happened. Hersch is basically writing the Made For TV adaptation.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 06:10 PM (l7lsb)

443 The Russian Woodpecker?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 05:49 PM (zZu0s

I see you're familiar.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

It had a crowbar short in the cross field amplifier and that's what melted down Chernobyl

Posted by: BifBewalski at February 17, 2023 06:11 PM (3CCua)

444 Trains just derail. We don't know why.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1626238907690909696

Posted by: Gwenn at February 17, 2023 06:15 PM (9Gr7n)

445 442 If you're unfamiliar with Hersh's background look it up, then you can relieve your gawping credulity.

The story is independent of Hersh. We had it figured out here and at a dozen other websites days after it happened. Hersch is basically writing the Made For TV adaptation.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 17, 2023 06:10 PM (l7lsb)

You don't have anything "figured out". You have a suspicion based on first principles motivations you're assigning to the various parties. That's it. You may be right, you may be wrong.

Hersh isn't adding anything unless he can produce someone who's willing to go on the record.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 17, 2023 06:16 PM (wGeit)

446 Russia is also evil and trying to expand its empire.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest
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Evil, you say. I've not seen any evidence that Russia or its leaders are Satanists -- unlike the West and its leaders -- and plenty of evidence that they recognize the West as Satanic.

Could a case be made that Russia is, as currently constituted and operating, Godly and trying to expand its empire?

Hypothesized this way, would that be a bad thing?

Which empire -- if an empire must be -- would you prefer expanding? Satanic or Anti-Satanic? I've made my choice.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 17, 2023 06:21 PM (iKBwy)

447 4 This was my reasoning for doubting Hersh's story, as I expressed in the comments here. Joey Shitpants never had the balls and certainly doesn’t now.
Posted by: Elric Blade at February 17, 2023 04:53 PM (wPEdt)

Joey doesn't have the cognitive ability to do much of anything, that doesn't mean someone else in the deep state didn't order it. How would he remember whether he had or hadn't?

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - says Grow your own food at February 17, 2023 06:25 PM (EicqW)

448 So all it really takes is enough people who have control of enough aspects of a government to do things. It does not matter which 'nation' those assets came from, and indeed that may be intentionally misleading.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 17, 2023 04:55 PM (zZu0s)

Good point.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - says Grow your own food at February 17, 2023 06:28 PM (qLAYS)

449 Is Bonnie Blue still here? And if so, are you the Bonnie that wrote off a Renault in Morocco?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:39 PM (4oyqO)

450 Evil, you say. I've not seen any evidence that Russia or its leaders are Satanists -- ...
Posted by: Taq,

I think my sentence was self explanatory. They are evil for invading other countries and for how they treat their people. I did not say they were satanists, although I think you could probably make that argument about their ruling oligarchs.

If you are trying to argue that (a) russia is justified, or (b) russia's oligarchs are Godly, or (c) that the international order of local rule and Westphalian borders does not apply if your neighbor is globohomo, then I think you are delusional and buying into a narrative to justify supporting one evil over another. I do not support either.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at February 17, 2023 06:46 PM (4oyqO)

451 The factors that raised energy prices won't last forever and hopefully the assholes running out government will be gone in two years. But Russia has always had a very fragile petroeconomy and that doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon. Putin is more focused on conquest to distract from that fact.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 17, 2023 06:07 PM (oVZ+Q)

Sanctions has led Russia to expand local manufacture - an expat News aggregator there was showing an ad for a locally produced LCD monitor reaching full production. And of course they have full trade access with India and China. We have forced Russia to consider Globalism unreliable, something we are seeing ourselves now. They have a decade or more head start.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 17, 2023 06:52 PM (eoQWY)

452 It does not matter how exactly the pipes were blown. Could have been remote control dolphins. Russians did not do it bc it was against their interest and they already control the gas flow. UK, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Poland do not run their foreign policy independent of US. They are vassal states. The only ones who could have done it are US and Ukraine. Hard to believe Ukraine has the capabilities.

Posted by: azoo at February 17, 2023 06:54 PM (vew3n)

453 US military planes circled the area shortly before the explosion. That’s public record. And in my mind confirmation. Hersh missed that

I’ll paste the reference when I go get it.

I remember arguing here against the ice plug theory (I’m an engineer and fluid dynamics expert and have worked with gas pipelines - ice can form, but not at the high points!).

And the fact that there were four explosions - two on the same pipeline - also confirmed this. A natural explosion would not have caused two explosions on the same line. But divers screwing up and putting the explosives on the wrong line would.

I’ve believed this since the moment I heard it

Posted by: Justin Castreau at February 17, 2023 07:07 PM (V8yYW)

454 Don't put it past the Intel Community planting Hersh's story, knowing it was full of holes they could then later use to discredit it with followup stories by somebody else they select.

What better way to confuse the public discourse? First they plant a story that blames themselves, but know the planted story is full of mistakes and impossibilities that they can later parade out in front of everyone.

This kind of whipsawing the public opinion is exactly the kind of chaos and plausible deniability that they want.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at February 17, 2023 07:28 PM (96wFa)

455 Seriously? There are actually people who think that the US didn't bomb the NS pipelines?

You want to know how I know that the Biden Regime did the deed? The Biden Regime denied it and they were seconded by the legacy media.

Posted by: Wade Hampton at February 17, 2023 08:34 PM (Su9Le)

456 "The story [...] is very detailed [...]"

So were the accusations against Virginia McMartin, Peggy McMartin Buckey, Ray Buckey, and Peggy Ann Buckey.

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