First-World Problems...

That's a nice modern thermostat with all sorts of neat features that allow me to change the temperature setting automatically. It's great for air conditioning, which is perfect for variable temperatures. There is no reason to keep the house cool when we aren't home, or the downstairs cool when we are asleep upstairs.

It's great! I hardly ever touch it during the cooling season, and just turn it off in September or October.

But...

This is a simple, robust and frankly marvelously designed thermostat that isn't dependent on electronic circuits, and will probably work for the next 50 years without a hiccup. It controls a small radiant heat zone that is isolated from the rest of the house by a door, and has lots of windows so it cools off much more quickly than the rest of the house.

So what's the problem? Well, trying to balance the heating demands of different systems can be an exercise in futility. Four radiant zones, one steam heating zone (on two floors!) conspire to make me scratch my head and say, "F$%k it!"

Oh...for added complexity, radiant responds extremely slowly, so using setbacks is a waste of energy. Steam of course responds very quickly, so that system can be set back, but to what end? It will just end up wasting energy too....I think.

Or maybe not!

Yeah...this is the agony of the First World!

Posted by: CBD at 02:00 PM

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Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 02:00 PM (xhxe8)

2 Or still 1st
You can keep temp down or up more than ordinary if saving a few degrees of heat or cool for 8 hours.

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 02:02 PM (xhxe8)

3 Adding a base layer of Merino wool to your clothing responds quicker than any thermostat.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 05, 2023 02:03 PM (DhOHl)

4 I'm thinking this is the most FWP ever b/c townhomes have one thermostat, even if they have multiple levels and a walkout basement - you just learn to freeze in the basement in winter and melt in the bedrooms (aka get fans) in the summer, b/c anything else would probably cost permits and enormous outlays of money in a home where those outlays would never pay off...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 05, 2023 02:05 PM (exHjb)

5 Never buy a house with a room or rooms that have cathedral ceilings. You just end up heating the ceiling.
This I know.

Posted by: DB at February 05, 2023 02:06 PM (geLO8)

6 hiya

Posted by: JT at February 05, 2023 02:06 PM (T4tVD)

7 I could go on for far more than pixie would ever let me about trying to balance the heat in the various first floor living areas of my two zone upstairs/downstairs baseboard system. Sleeping and showering behind the garage can get quite cool, yet that's where the one downstairs thermostat is.
I go upstairs maybe once a month, just to check it's still there.

Posted by: From about that time at February 05, 2023 02:06 PM (4780s)

8 I have had old thermostats, like that Honeywell pictured, that lasted 50 years or more. We put a new system in my house about 5 years ago - a few months ago the system started heating when the thermostat was turned down, and cooling when it was turned up. Called in the tech, and he said "oh thermostat went bad, throw that one away, I'll plug in a new one." Problem solved.

and now I know the life expectancy of modern thermostats.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2023 02:08 PM (r46W7)

9 Got a "high tech" stat when I put a new system in. It's set in auto...heat starts @73....cooling @76...3 degree deadband.

Posted by: BignJames at February 05, 2023 02:08 PM (AwYPR)

10 CBD, you hit our biggest pet peeve with "modern" housing. We have one of those newfangled thermostats that you have to program, which was installed against our wishes by the HVAC company that put in our new compressor. It doesn't work. It was say that the house is 74 degrees, but when you adjust the temp because icicles are forming inside, it comes on as 63. We've begged for a "dumb" thermostat. No dice. No HVAC company will put it in.

Posted by: Moki at February 05, 2023 02:09 PM (JrN/x)

11 Seen it brought up no gas stove residents will be at mercy of electric supply, as in a power outage no heat, cooking or light.

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 02:09 PM (xhxe8)

12 Speaking of outlays and FWPs this week...

I wanted to replace my deck and patio (it's a 1980 original, so it's time). I had a mental price in mind. Then, when I got my bid, I found out in addition to my deck being out of code (not enough support, so see, it is time), my outdoor electrical outlets were also out of code, so no one can replace the deck/patio without also replacing the electrical outlets. So, it's an extra $1500 to my mental project price (which the minute he said it, I knew, b/c it's $500 for a permit and $500 to get an electrician to show up, without work done)...and yes, I am saying yes to a bid that is about $1500 more than I wanted, but it should be done by May, and not affect my heating and AC (b/c it will be done in the nice weather of early spring), so that's a win...and a FWP...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 05, 2023 02:09 PM (exHjb)

13 Heh. My wife has a different level of hot and cold tolerance than I do, There is a time of year, typically late April to early May here, where it warms up a bit during the day and yet still gets chilly at night. For a couple of weeks we leave both the furnace and the A/C turned on (they are on different thermostats). I know this can't be very energy efficient, but it does wonders for matrimonial harmony.

Posted by: Muldoon at February 05, 2023 02:10 PM (ykeLU)

14 Poor CBD. It seems like he's having hot flashes.

Posted by: bluebell at February 05, 2023 02:12 PM (pTb/Z)

15 You people with your fancy schmancy heat.

Posted by: Eskimo at February 05, 2023 02:13 PM (SYTee)

16 We need to re-evaluate this system when we get you off of the grid and make you self-reliant on wind and solar.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 02:13 PM (Jg7EG)

17 I have a cold room next to my bedroom that kicks the furnace on way too much for me (I like it cool to sleep) so I put an electric oil heater to counter the gas kicking on. It'll do until I get a new back door and windows.

Posted by: dartist at February 05, 2023 02:14 PM (U2hGT)

18 We've begged for a "dumb" thermostat. No dice. No HVAC company will put it in.

Posted by: Moki at February 05, 2023 02:09 PM (JrN/x)

They are full of shit. The only signal sent from the thermostat, no matter how fancy, is on/off. Some of them need something called a "C" wire to provide power, but not all of them.

And...you can swap your thermostat out in about 10 minutes. It is not difficult!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2023 02:15 PM (XIJ/X)

19 I have the first depicted one. Have to hold the flip-door shut with a piece of tape though.

Posted by: Halfhand at February 05, 2023 02:16 PM (QHguU)

20 Poor CBD. It seems like he's having hot flashes.

Posted by: bluebell at February 05, 2023 02:12 PM (pTb/Z)

Hah!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2023 02:16 PM (XIJ/X)

21 Honeywell Mercury Monster!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2023 02:17 PM (63Dwl)

22 Called in the tech, and he said "oh thermostat went bad, throw that one away, I'll plug in a new one." Problem solved.

and now I know the life expectancy of modern thermostats.

*******

Our plumberer guy (whose kids we are putting through college) tells us that since COVID they are seeing perhaps 20-30% plumbing parts that are defective right out of the box from the factory.

Posted by: Muldoon at February 05, 2023 02:17 PM (ykeLU)

23 We have an electronic version of the round thermostat. It's fully WiFi capable and there's an app from Honeywell that allows all sorts of cool scheduling features.

Yea. No. It's not hooked up to the web. I have to manually set the temp every morning and evening. Like the old days.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 05, 2023 02:19 PM (Q4IgG)

24 Speaking of first-world problems, I have a cat-sitting appointment today. 'Later!

Posted by: exdem13 at February 05, 2023 02:19 PM (W+kMI)

25 My parents bought the house I now own before I was born. It originally had a floor furnace that kept the living room and part of the hallway warm and a little wall heater in the bathroom so you could keep bathe in the winter without turning blue. When my dad added on to the house, my brother installed central heating but did not change out the old Honeywell thermostat, which worked for 65 years. I had to have it replaced a couple of years ago when it stopped working and the heating guys said they had never seen one and they were illegal to have use because of the mercury switch. They put in a basic digital thermostat and didn't even charge me because of the novelty.

Posted by: huerfano at February 05, 2023 02:20 PM (dTFZY)

26 I was looking to update my thermostat to something like a Nest. But I heard it is possible for utilities or maybe governments would have the ability to override your settings for something "greener". Anyone else hear of this?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 05, 2023 02:20 PM (fe7in)

27 Sometimes we'll pick a home at random and mess with the smart thermostat. Good for a few laughs on a slow day.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at February 05, 2023 02:21 PM (SYTee)

28 I ran into a box mercury switches at work and I thought, "This is some heavy Shadow Company shit."

I've been looking over my shoulder for those pussies ever since.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 02:21 PM (Jg7EG)

29 As far as I know take out fancy computer thermostat and wire in a dumb one, heater won't know difference

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 02:22 PM (xhxe8)

30 Got tired refilling our humidifiers, so we had a humidifer installed in our heating system. It's supposed to be self-adjusting based on outdoor temperature. First few days, humidity was ridiculously high, even though I had it on the lowest setting. Come to find out the guy installed the outdoor temperature sensor in the fresh air pipe about 2 feet from the furnace, and about 15 feet from the nearest exterior wall. Something tells me it's not getting an accurate reading.

We've switched it to manual, for now, until I can move the sensor.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 05, 2023 02:23 PM (uPgE/)

31 > I was looking to update my thermostat to something like a Nest. But I heard it is possible for utilities or maybe governments would have the ability to override your settings for something "greener". Anyone else hear of this?
________________
Our electric COOP has confirmed that they can do this with "some" thermostats. They can pretty much throttle our electric via the "smart meter" on the pole outside the house. So we're at their mercy anyway.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 05, 2023 02:24 PM (Q4IgG)

32 Our plumberer guy (whose kids we are putting through college) tells us that since COVID they are seeing perhaps 20-30% plumbing parts that are defective right out of the box from the factory.

Replaced the kitchen faucet last weekend. They left out the set screw that attaches the handle to the valve. I guess technically it's not a defective part if it's not included.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 05, 2023 02:25 PM (Bd6X8)

33 I was looking to update my thermostat to something like a Nest. But I heard it is possible for utilities or maybe governments would have the ability to override your settings for something "greener". Anyone else hear of this?

*******

My understanding is that the nanobot chip included in the COVID vaccine allows them to send remote commands directly to your brain so that you involuntarily turn your thermostat to the setting they decide, so they don't need to access your Nest device.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Muldoon at February 05, 2023 02:25 PM (ykeLU)

34 15 You people with your fancy schmancy heat.
Posted by: Eskimo at February 05, 2023 02:13 PM (SYTee)

Missed the Book Thread- wanted to thank the person who suggested "Down the Common" a few weeks ago.

The life of an ordinary woman on a small medieval manse.
Time not specified, but I don't think it matters much.

Was thinking of ways to improve their lives even slightly- first: privies- and realized that simple lack of materiel was the reason for the awfulness of life.
There wasn't enough of anything- food, fuel, lumber, ironware, leather, textiles to get ahead of just survival.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at February 05, 2023 02:25 PM (wE246)

35 We just need to fine tune (or is that "toon") the climate and we won't need heating and air.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 05, 2023 02:26 PM (FVME7)

36 I love being able to use my phone to tweak the settings on our Honeywell thermostats.

Posted by: Eternity Matters at February 05, 2023 02:28 PM (MTm8X)

37 >>> 18 We've begged for a "dumb" thermostat. No dice. No HVAC company will put it in.

Posted by: Moki at February 05, 2023 02:09 PM (JrN/x)

They are full of shit. The only signal sent from the thermostat, no matter how fancy, is on/off. Some of them need something called a "C" wire to provide power, but not all of them.

And...you can swap your thermostat out in about 10 minutes. It is not difficult!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2023 02:15 PM (XIJ/X)

Odds this is more feralgov BS requiring HVAC companies to install "smahhhhhrrt" thermostats? I don't like messing with things electrical but I have found a good service company in my area so if I can find the "dumb" thermostat I want - another Honeywell model with a dial that includes a couples little pins, yes, just like plug-in timers for lamps - I'll order a couple. Or maybe a couple dozen, and sell the ones I don't use.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 02:28 PM (llON8)

38 CBD, the heat zone problem; procure a ten or twelve year old and set the problem up as a game. Problem solved.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 02:31 PM (bceP2)

39 As far as I know take out fancy computer thermostat and wire in a dumb one, heater won't know difference

Depends on the heater.

I had installed a variable speed heat-pump and had a whiz-bang S30 "smart" thermostat installed.

Three sets of input: User, outside temp/humidity, internet based WX report.

From this, the user can dial in a "Feels Like" temperature and the thermostat will calculate how most efficiently to get there through temperature a/o humidity control.

Once it achieves that temperature, it adjusts the speed of the compressor and blower fans so that the temperature stays constant rather than cycling.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 05, 2023 02:31 PM (l7lsb)

40 This has been a real pleasure. Lots of fascinating points and lots of well thought out comments.
Cheers!
CBD
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

********

Who are you, and what have you done with CBD?

Posted by: Muldoon at February 05, 2023 02:32 PM (ykeLU)

41 >>> 26 I was looking to update my thermostat to something like a Nest. But I heard it is possible for utilities or maybe governments would have the ability to override your settings for something "greener". Anyone else hear of this?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 05, 2023 02:20 PM (fe7in)

This has been mentioned at the HQ before:
Thousands of Xcel Energy rewards customers were hot after losing control of thermostats
An energy emergency prompted a lockdown, the company says
https://is.gd/W8RoNJ
You live in NY, land of Hochul.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 02:32 PM (llON8)

42 >>> No dice. No HVAC company will put it in.
Posted by: Moki
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Walmart is your friend.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 02:33 PM (bceP2)

43 I love being able to use my phone to tweak the settings on our Honeywell thermostats.

Dittos. Even has a feature that determines if the registered smart phones are off campus will put the entire system into "away" mode that allows for much broader band of acceptable temperatures.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 05, 2023 02:33 PM (l7lsb)

44 We need to re-evaluate this system when we get you off of the grid and make you self-reliant on wind and solar.

There are premium HVAC heat pumps that can optionally incorporate solar energy. Throw some panels up and if there is an ability to utilize it for heating/cooling, it will.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 05, 2023 02:37 PM (l7lsb)

45 I get the feeling ever since I turned 29* that the cold effects me more. My thermostat will read 70 but it feels colder.
Heck, right now I am in my office and the thermometer says it is 67. But I just turned on an electric heater because my hands feel cold.
I think I need to move to a place where the temperature is Hot and Damn Hot.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 05, 2023 02:38 PM (fe7in)

46 If a smart thermostat was mandatory, you could install one but not actually hook it up to your HVAC system. It would think it was controlling the AC and heat, but not actually do anything. The temp could be controlled by one of those old Honeywells hidden behind a plant or something.

Posted by: fd at February 05, 2023 02:38 PM (iayUP)

47 Never buy a house with a room or rooms that have cathedral ceilings. You just end up heating the ceiling.

Ceiling fan on low?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at February 05, 2023 02:38 PM (l7lsb)

48 I think I need to move to a place where the temperature is Hot and Damn Hot.

I just move away from there.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 05, 2023 02:40 PM (Bd6X8)

49 47 Never buy a house with a room or rooms that have cathedral ceilings. You just end up heating the ceiling.

Ceiling fan on low?
Posted by: Reuben Hick
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Then when you ask yourself, where did my money go?
Look up.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 02:40 PM (bceP2)

50 Sal, thanks for your mention of Down the Common; never heard of that one before. I just now ordered a used copy.

Posted by: skywch at February 05, 2023 02:43 PM (uqhmb)

51 *But I just turned on an electric heater because my hands feel cold.*

I came across this recently. Warm your hands up in three minutes. It works.

https://youtu.be/IiZo2-qUJgU

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 05, 2023 02:44 PM (DhOHl)

52 I do fear the thought of my grandfather in sweater cuddled up near the Hester that was blasting.
My fingers get cold outside with gloves on in the 30s after some time out

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 02:45 PM (xhxe8)

53 We have what they refer to around here as a "package system." The furnace and the A/C are all housed in an insulated rig outside. There's nothing inside but duct-work. It's pretty quiet. Plus, if we need service there's no need for anyone to come inside, so we don't even have to be here for that. (Although the service company sort of wants someone here anyway.)

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 05, 2023 02:46 PM (Q4IgG)

54 Who are you, and what have you done with CBD?

Posted by: Muldoon at February 05, 2023 02:32 PM (ykeLU)

A day ago CBD fell,
And cracked his head open like a shell
He wrote and he wrote
But because of the smote
He'd lost all his meanness...oh hell!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2023 02:50 PM (XIJ/X)

55 . No HVAC company will put it in.

You can do it yourself. The colors of the wires are standard.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 05, 2023 02:51 PM (nFV+K)

56 I have a gas furnace and it's been interesting. The side of the house with my bedroom and office are cder. The side with the converted garage is warmer. Because it cycles, it doesn't feel like 70 even though the thermostat says it is. I usually turn it down during the day when I'm working. It dies wirk and I'm happy. We were always replacing thermostats and electric heaters at the old place.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 05, 2023 02:51 PM (4IUUf)

57 >>>If a smart thermostat was mandatory, you could install one but not actually hook it up to your HVAC system. It would think it was controlling the AC and heat, but not actually do anything. The temp could be controlled by one of those old Honeywells hidden behind a plant or something.

>Very good. Put the "smart" thermostat on a parallel circuit and mount it next to the mercury switch. Wire an indicator lamp to the output of the smart switch so that you can monitor it as it cycles. When the dicks at the power company remotely trigger your on/off signals via wireless within your HVAC presets, you can laugh at them and stay cool/warm without their interference.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 02:52 PM (Jg7EG)

58 Cathedral ceiling?

Reverse the fan so that it sucks cold air up from below.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at February 05, 2023 02:52 PM (nFV+K)

59 Please turn your thermostat to 65 degrees in the daytime and lower at night. Also, wear more sweaters.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter, Asshole at February 05, 2023 02:53 PM (R/m4+)

60 Hey, why not a “smart” thermostat that can be set by someone else (your are using too much resources, comrade!) and will be useless when your internet is down?

Posted by: lizzy at February 05, 2023 02:53 PM (8bVR1)

61
No HVAC company will put it in.

You can do it yourself. The colors of the wires are standard.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse

Plenty of Youtube videos.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2023 02:54 PM (63Dwl)

62 And I do wear merino thermals in the cold. I just can't regulate my body temperature like I used to.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 05, 2023 02:54 PM (4IUUf)

63 Someone said some new gas ranges will not start without electricity. My range top will. I will take a little creativity and a ten year old to get snake around to the oven burners but if it gets cold enough it will happen.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 02:55 PM (bceP2)

64 Lowe's still sells the Honeywell rounds, but I can't find the model I had in CO (yet?).

I should have pulled that one and put in a digital for the buyer!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 02:58 PM (llON8)

65 CBD,

Your problem is exacerbated by the fact that your heating capacity and your heat load is mismatched in both cases.

I'm thinking that radiant area is the most aggravating as this is where the mismatch causes the biggest problems.

I assume you cannot throttle the radiant capacity. One way that things are done commercially is the supply temp is set proportionally to the outdoor temp.

Posted by: pawn at February 05, 2023 02:58 PM (kYVzH)

66 60 Hey, why not a “smart” thermostat that can be set by someone else (your are using too much resources, comrade!) and will be useless when your internet is down?
Posted by: lizzy
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Electric went out last week. _ oh well, I've got a gas space heater and cellular connection to the HQ, all is good. Then cellular went down. No connection to the world.

What happens in a modern house? All the setting go to default?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:00 PM (bceP2)

67 I assume you cannot throttle the radiant capacity. One way that things are done commercially is the supply temp is set proportionally to the outdoor temp.

Posted by: pawn at February 05, 2023 02:58 PM (kYVzH)

The newer residential radiant hot water heaters do exactly that, but this system is 19 years old.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2023 03:00 PM (XIJ/X)

68 And this is the first time I have ever had central heating and cooling. It really is a marvel.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 05, 2023 03:00 PM (4IUUf)

69 I worked with a real techophile. He converted his house to be "smart." WiFi enabled everything. Locks on the doors, remote for the garage on his smartphone, thermostat, lights, etc. We had an ice storm a few years ago and his whole family was locked out of their home because there was no power. No manual locks.

They were in a hotel with the clothes on their back for 3 days.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 05, 2023 03:00 PM (Q4IgG)

70 I do fear the thought of my grandfather in sweater cuddled up near the Hester that was blasting.
My fingers get cold outside with gloves on in the 30s after some time out
Posted by: Skip
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Five or six years ago I gave in an ordered myself a classic Perry Como (I prefer to think Arnold Palmer) cardigan sweater to wear around the house.

Posted by: From about that time at February 05, 2023 03:02 PM (4780s)

71 64 Lowe's still sells the Honeywell rounds, but I can't find the model I had in CO (yet?).

I should have pulled that one and put in a digital for the buyer!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Good pro tip for all of us.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:02 PM (bceP2)

72 Wait, you have to use a ten year old and a snake to light your oven?

*scribbles notes*

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 05, 2023 03:02 PM (DhOHl)

73 CBD, Muldoon worthy limerick.

Posted by: From about that time at February 05, 2023 03:03 PM (4780s)

74 Notsothoreau, welcome to the twentieth century.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:04 PM (bceP2)

75 >>>No manual locks.

>Three days? Hah! I have a crowbar that I use when I have to improvise.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 03:06 PM (Jg7EG)

76 That old round Honeywell is a marvel of user interface design.

The one I have was the second one installed with my new compressor. The first one was fancier. It also read about 5 degrees too high.

Asked the guy to come back, he couldn’t adjust the reading by more than a few tenths of a percent. Said he could replace it with a simpler but still fancy one, so we did, and it reads correctly.

I don’t remember what I’m missing, but even the simple one is more than I need. I don’t need any of the features except the ones that let me set at what temp the heat comes on and at what temp the AC comes on. It’s nice to know when the system is using “emergency” (i.e., electric) heat as opposed to the heat pump.

I never use the timed features because I go to sleep at different times every night and wake up when I wake up. When I leave for a trip, I turn it down and/or up to what I feel like leaving the house at (and that old Honeywell would be a lot easier to do this on).

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 05, 2023 03:07 PM (EXyHK)

77 Muldoon worthy limerick.

Posted by: From about that time at February 05, 2023 03:03 PM (4780s)

That is very kind. But I am tapped out. I have no idea how he does it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2023 03:09 PM (XIJ/X)

78 Five or six years ago I gave in an ordered myself a classic Perry Como (I prefer to think Arnold Palmer) cardigan sweater to wear around the house.
Posted by: From about that time at February 05, 2023 03:02 PM (4780s)

I pretty much always wear a sweat suit top around the house.

Posted by: Aetius451AD, from the 50s at February 05, 2023 03:09 PM (CsVWE)

79 In a little, old (fake) cape cod with a basement, there's no balancing heating and cooling even with an efficient gas furnace & AC and a humidifier installed, and also a wood stove in the living room to knock off the chill. (I have friends who also complain of the same with their rambling ranch homes with basements.)

However, we've learned our family members with large, well insulated homes & zoned heating & A/C controlled via deluxe, multi-zone thermostats have faired no better. In fact, expensive mechanical units installed in their attics have failed, sometimes causing major leaks (with the occasional ceilings falling down) & much of their homes' ductwork was through ceilings above where beds would most commonly be placed.

There's no perfect house & no perfect heating/AC sytems it seems. But we're learning that adding the simplest of mini-split systems & inexpensive fans (ceiling &/or portable) are becoming our best bets for controlling heating/cooling and associated costs.

Posted by: Lola at February 05, 2023 03:11 PM (Wxlzw)

80 All elite spaciists--one room solves all those first world problems

Posted by: Ben Had at February 05, 2023 03:11 PM (kOhcP)

81 The first house we bought had baseboard electric. Last house I was in had Cadet electric heaters. So this is different.

I wear shawls. Keeps your hands free and it's easier to type on a keyboard.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 05, 2023 03:12 PM (4IUUf)

82 Well, not *all* parts of the First World. No real winter and rarely any humidity simplifies things.

Just had heating system replaced (old, long in need of replacement). Some of the guys said they preferred the old analogue round thermostats and installed those in their homes. But the company only uses the whiz-bang new WiFi-enabled ones (which can have that part not enabled or logged in, which is how it will be here most of the time).

Only use for the fancy new features is that there is a remote sensor I can use as the governing thermostat, and that one I put in the office where we spend most of our time at home. So just that small room is heated to X, then system shuts off.

Replaced old AC system with a whole-house fan. This will be fine for 97% of the hot weather here, as humidity is usually low. Temps drop late afternoon, whole-house fan sucks in cooler air/expels warmer air, close up windows in the early AM, house stays pretty nice all day - until it's fan time again. Mean high/low temps this location very few degrees apart, so, heat/cooling not much of a thing.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2023 03:13 PM (OTzUX)

83 I ate my dog's poop for breakfast, and now my toothbrush tastes like shit!

Posted by: Paul at February 05, 2023 03:14 PM (4yRM/)

84 I have a Carrier Smart thermostat that I like. The main panel is a touch screen.
My 2 favorite features- You can control it from your phone and it tells me the temperature outside.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2023 03:19 PM (NpAcC)

85 CUDDL DUDS create an extra "under" layer for insulating against cold temperatures both indoors and out ... I buy sets every September (during pre-season BOGO sales) then gift them to all the grandkids at Halloween (instead of candy) ... My favorite style is called "ClimateSmart", which is thin enough to wear under any type of clothing and doesn't bunch up (like the old-fashioned waffle style thermal wear) ... Worn under snowsuits, these provide extra time for the grandkids to play in the snow ... Available at Kohl's, Walmart, JCP and, of course, Cuddlduds-dot-com

Posted by: Kathy at February 05, 2023 03:19 PM (JklXp)

86 Got $50 gift card from the idiotic "utility" (huh? why do you have billboards on freeways touting your fire prevention efforts? Your job is to provide power and gas - at about half the prices currently, at most - and maintaining lines is just part of the job, idiots).

Will not participate in their ridiculous Big Brother "we'll manage your AC" (which I don't have anyway) program.

Thermostat will be logged off WiFi in a few weeks, only connected again next "winter" (Dec or Jan depending on weather).

Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2023 03:20 PM (OTzUX)

87 Last year I replaced all of my thermostats with Honeywell/Resideo T9 smart thermostats. The top feature I like is that you can get add on sensors for different rooms.

One of the problems we had was that the thermostat is in the master BR, but the temps in the kids rooms would be all over the place. I put secondary sensors in their rooms and now their rooms are more comfortable. The system runs long enough to get a balanced temp across the multiple sensors, not just based on one sensor for an entire floor.

I can control all of the thermostats from my phone, and they are fairly secure. I can configure different schedules to control the temps throughout the day for each zone. I also get alerts on my phone about the system, reminders to change filters, etc. Finally another feature is it runs the fans intermittently to circulate the air. I have noticed since turning that on that the filters are noticably dirtier. 2 years ago we had UV C bulbs added to the systems, and I think it was worth it.

Posted by: Eric at February 05, 2023 03:20 PM (a2F+C)

88 The very experienced project manager's tale of declining quality in HVAC hardware was familiar yet depressing. His company is down to a handful of brands they'll use, from a dozen in the old days.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2023 03:21 PM (OTzUX)

89 We have Ecobee thermostats. They are similar to a Nest but hubbie claims way less hackable and spyware like. It is nice to be able to change settings from a device than stand at the thermostat and do it. He is a contractor with *pple so you can take his advice with that in mind.

Posted by: lin-duh (y'all/all y'all) at February 05, 2023 03:22 PM (UUBmN)

90 I don't know if any of you are familiar with Ian Tyson. I just heard he died three weeks ago.

Posted by: That Northern skulker at February 05, 2023 03:22 PM (VdGjU)

91 PS - Also didn't allow the mechanics to take out the old Honeywell thermostat when the new furnace and AC were installed. It had been installed in the mid-80s and works fine. (I had that written into the work contract.)

Posted by: Lola at February 05, 2023 03:24 PM (Wxlzw)

92 We have manual round thermostats that connect to our baseboard heaters that don't even have a temperature. Just a 'comfort range.' The range to maintain a given temperature varies depending on the outside temperature, kind of like an RV fridge.

Kind of a pain. Many years ago, when everyone was at work during the day I thought it would be cool to buy a programmable thermostat and have the temp cooler during the day when the house was empty. The hardware folks said those don't work for baseboard heaters. Didn't seem logical to me, but we just kept the old ones, and now I'm glad of that. They still work mostly. One sometimes gets stuck and has to be turned to off for a bit or it keeps running and the room is over 75.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 05, 2023 03:24 PM (3cGpq)

93 Mine are Minus 33 brand. Really comfortable. I wash by hand and they dry quickly. Expensive but are holding up well.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 05, 2023 03:24 PM (4IUUf)

94 Wanting to make lemon drop martinis, finding no stores locally with sugar sticks. Neither ABC Liquors nor Total Wine stock them, and the Publix, Walgreen, and Walmart liquor stores are pathetic.

Gonna look on YouTube for the method to make them, but if it takes special effort and equipment, I'll just go Amazon.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 05, 2023 03:24 PM (KiBMU)

95 Modern problems? Insufficiently strong bungie cords.

https://bit.ly/40pwlDX

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at February 05, 2023 03:26 PM (FVME7)

96 Thousands of Xcel Energy rewards customers were hot after losing control of thermostats. An energy emergency prompted a lockdown, the company says
https://is.gd/W8RoNJ
You live in NY, land of Hochul.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 02:32 PM (llON

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They were part of a "rewards" program where the utility put a governor-type thing on their units. I made the mistake of doing that nearly 20 years ago. Very hot summer day and the damn AC wouldn't go on. Didn't take long to figure out what happened. Called and told them if they didn't come and take it off I was gonna rip it out. They came late that night. Apparently I wasn't the only one who called.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 05, 2023 03:27 PM (3ImbR)

97 Just... pick a temperature and leave it there all the time.

The theory is that it uses more energy to let the temperature drop 10 or 15 degrees "because you're not there to enjoy it" and then the raise it up again that 10 or 15 degrees "because you're home now", than it does to just maintain the entire place at a consistent temperature all the time.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at February 05, 2023 03:27 PM (Snrdd)

98 >>> 96

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They were part of a "rewards" program where the utility put a governor-type thing on their units. I made the mistake of doing that nearly 20 years ago. Very hot summer day and the damn AC wouldn't go on. Didn't take long to figure out what happened. Called and told them if they didn't come and take it off I was gonna rip it out. They came late that night. Apparently I wasn't the only one who called.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 05, 2023 03:27 PM (3ImbR)

LOL

I'm surprised Polesucker hasn't tried to get a law passed requiring them. I don't miss that asshoe.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 03:30 PM (llON8)

99 Is it just me that pictures CBD running back and forth with a thermometer, trying to get the temperature of both zones to match perfectly?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(1EFfL) at February 05, 2023 03:33 PM (2YtOq)

100 50 Sal, thanks for your mention of Down the Common; never heard of that one before. I just now ordered a used copy.
Posted by: skywch at February 05, 2023 02:43 PM (uqhmb)

You're welcome!
I rationed it out, didn't want to finish it too soon.

It's one think to read a description of their technology and another to see how the "if this, then not that" might have worked out in real life.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at February 05, 2023 03:33 PM (wE246)

101 Feather Blade, true because you are. not only heating the room but everything in it as well.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 05, 2023 03:33 PM (kOhcP)

102 It does appear as reported a First Fight Wing F-22 was used to bring down the Chinese Spy Balloon with a Aim-9 AA missile.

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 03:34 PM (xhxe8)

103 It does appear as reported a First Fight Wing F-22 was used to bring down the Chinese Spy Balloon with a Aim-9 AA missile.
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 03:34 PM (xhxe

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4 more balloons and F-22 pilot is an ace!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(1EFfL) at February 05, 2023 03:35 PM (2YtOq)

104 Just... pick a temperature and leave it there all the time.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at February 05, 2023 03:27 PM (Snrdd)
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There's truth to that. Unless you're going to be away for a few days or more, it makes no sense to change it while you're at work or whatever. Gotta remember you're heating/cooling the walls, upholstered furniture, etc. too. Takes more energy to do that.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 05, 2023 03:35 PM (3ImbR)

105 My country thermostat had 3x5" face with a dial thermometer and a lever on the right.

One could pull the face off and adjust the angle of the little mercury vial in order for it to cycle the compressor or furnace in coordination with the thermometer.

I should have brought it with me.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:35 PM (bceP2)

106 There always is trick to put a ice cube in bag on thermostat to make it think it's colder or use a heat gun on it to make it think it's hotter

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 03:36 PM (xhxe8)

107 51 Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 05, 2023 02:44 PM

Interesting, the exercise's do appear to work. Thanks!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 05, 2023 03:37 PM (fe7in)

108 And...you can swap your thermostat out in about 10 minutes. It is not difficult!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

BZZZZZZTTTTT!!!

Posted by: JT at February 05, 2023 03:37 PM (T4tVD)

109 Meanwhile,

Fuck the Koch brothers, fuck Chris Sununu, fuck Chris Christie, fuck McConnell, fuck the Republicans, fuck Mike Miller [Desantis Cock Queen] and big FUCK REDSTATE.COM!

TRUMP 2024
ONLY TRUMP 2024
ALWAYS TRUMP 2024

And dear G.O.P., fix 2020 or go FUCK YOURSELVES FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!
Trust me, your party will die on the sword you drew against the legitimate president. You fucking, scumbag traitors!!

Posted by: Tracy at February 05, 2023 03:37 PM (y7yhf)

110 103 It does appear as reported a First Fight Wing F-22 was used to bring down the Chinese Spy Balloon with a Aim-9 AA missile.
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 03:34 PM (xhxe
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4 more balloons and F-22 pilot is an ace!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in
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If we only had a cargo plane with a line and a hook.
We used to do that, you know.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:39 PM (bceP2)

111 Tracy, you seem to be holding back just a bit.

Is there something bothering you?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(1EFfL) at February 05, 2023 03:39 PM (2YtOq)

112 You have heat?! Luxury!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 05, 2023 03:39 PM (yQpMk)

113 In my day, all 27 of us gathered around a fresh dog turd for warmth.

And we were grateful.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 05, 2023 03:40 PM (yQpMk)

114 "The theory is that it uses more energy to let the temperature drop 10 or 15 degrees "because you're not there to enjoy it" and then the raise it up again that 10 or 15 degrees "because you're home now", than it does to just maintain the entire place at a consistent temperature all the time."

That "theory" is only valid if you have a heat pump with staged electrical heat strips as secondary/backup.

In that case, bumping the thermostat up when you get home just pulls in the (expensive) strip heaters because they work on a differential temperature that you have just asked for when you bump the thermostat for that 4 or 5 degrees.

Posted by: pawn at February 05, 2023 03:40 PM (kYVzH)

115 how did my freaking hash change?

Darn it!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at February 05, 2023 03:40 PM (2YtOq)

116 And we were grateful.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 05, 2023 03:40 PM (yQpMk)
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Fresh dog turd for warmth?

Luxury!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at February 05, 2023 03:41 PM (2YtOq)

117 Is there something bothering you?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(1EFfL) at February 05, 2023 03:39 PM (2YtOq)
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I think Tracy's been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" again.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 05, 2023 03:41 PM (3ImbR)

118 >>>Is it just me that pictures CBD running back and forth with a thermometer, trying to get the temperature of both zones to match perfectly?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

>If he's really as cheap as he says he is, yes, I could see that.

I have an industrial infrared thermometer that I use to troubleshoot equipment, but it also works great for the grill and monitoring the temp in the house.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 03:43 PM (Jg7EG)

119 Since we have electric heat and dad is no longer mobile enough that we could just sleep in the camper and have that propane furnace I did recently buy a little Buddy propane heater. I should unpack it and bring one of the BBQ propane tanks into the insulated garage so if we do lose juice during a cold spell I'm not fumbling around with just the led headlamp and a very cold propane tank. But today's project is putting together the electric lift + massage recliner.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 05, 2023 03:45 PM (3cGpq)

120 I have one of each of the thermostats. Modern gizmo for the A/C, 73 year-old round Honeywell for the boiler.

It just occurred tome that the modern model has a back-up battery, that I never recall replacing.

I have several vintage thermostats that I have collected from houses when they were remodeled. Some of the old ones are quite elaborate.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2023 03:45 PM (FSo+R)

121 Posted by: Tracy at February 05, 2023 03:37 PM (y7yhf)

I think the paid Trump operatives have taken the weekday tone of these boards and forgotten they don't carry to the weekend...

Although, I guess that itself could be a FWP...not understanding the daily flow of a board/website...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 05, 2023 03:46 PM (exHjb)

122 >>> 79
==
But we're learning that adding the simplest of mini-split systems & inexpensive fans (ceiling &/or portable) are becoming our best bets for controlling heating/cooling and associated costs.

Posted by: Lola at February 05, 2023 03:11 PM (Wxlzw)

I wish I'd know about mini-splits before I replaced my system (%#@*&#*^ compressor died). Then again, it might have taken forever to find someone who could or would install.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 03:48 PM (llON8)

123 CBD, you're right about the Allman Brothers Band!

Really loved that post. Thanks, man.

Posted by: Sam Adams at February 05, 2023 03:48 PM (VDbGO)

124 My theory is if it's not running I'm not paying for it.
One hour before bed the temp setting is reduced dramatically, if the house is vacant for more than an hour the temp setting is reduced.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:48 PM (bceP2)

125 Although, I guess that itself could be a FWP...not understanding the daily flow of a board/website...
Posted by: Nova Local at February 05, 2023 03:46 PM (exHjb)

They certainly seem to have their digital vim up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD, from the 50s at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (CsVWE)

126 Big feed after church this morning. Came home, crawled up on roof, measured hole created by tree limb, left open for sun to dry out insulation. Found and cut flashing, toward sunset I'll climb back up and put temporary covering over the hole until my insurance guy can come and appraise. I know it's the Sabbath but this is 'ox in the ditch' stuff.

Posted by: Eromero at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (MF3yS)

127 I heard that mini splits are noisy.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (bceP2)

128 https://tinyurl.com/2p8zhvwd
20 Tweets from Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 03:50 PM (xhxe8)

129 I wish I'd know about mini-splits before I replaced my system (%#@*&#*^ compressor died). Then again, it might have taken forever to find someone who could or would install.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 05, 2023 03:48 PM
Mini-splits are a big deal over in the sand kingdoms.

Posted by: Eromero at February 05, 2023 03:50 PM (MF3yS)

130 > 4 more balloons and F-22 pilot is an ace!
______________

The vaunted F-22's first kill. A balloon. The kill flag on the airplane's nose will be awesome.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (Q4IgG)

131 I heard that mini splits are noisy.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (bceP2)
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Hmm, someone who might actually be 29, because they obviously don't have hearing aids they can turn off....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (2YtOq)

132 Sorry about your roof Eromero. What, are you saving the church meal details for the food thread after that introductory tease?

Posted by: PaleRider at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (3cGpq)

133 127 I heard that mini splits are noisy.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (bceP2)

never trust a fart

Posted by: sofasaver at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (us2H3)

134 >>>I think Tracy's been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" again.

>I know a guy who went to Dale Carnagie's Charm School three times.

You guessed it; the third time was a ...

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (Jg7EG)

135 I know it's the Sabbath but this is 'ox in the ditch' stuff.
Posted by: Eromero at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (MF3yS)

I think the rule is that you don't roll on Shabbos.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 05, 2023 03:52 PM (yQpMk)

136 Five or six years ago I gave in an ordered myself a classic Perry Como (I prefer to think Arnold Palmer) cardigan sweater to wear around the house.
Posted by: From about that time
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ah. A 'Ward Clever'. Seems to me that Ozzie Nelson used to wear one also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2023 03:55 PM (qlgfj)

137 Reading the shoot down destroyed the payload section? Convenient.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at February 05, 2023 03:55 PM (oWBc3)

138 Somebody needs a Snickers.

Posted by: bluebell at February 05, 2023 03:56 PM (pTb/Z)

139 Thanks Skip !

Posted by: JT at February 05, 2023 03:56 PM (T4tVD)

140 ah. A 'Ward Clever'. Seems to me that Ozzie Nelson used to wear one also.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Cleaver

Posted by: JT at February 05, 2023 03:57 PM (T4tVD)

141 131 I heard that mini splits are noisy.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (bceP2)
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Hmm, someone who might actually be 29, because they obviously don't have hearing aids they can turn off....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (2YtOq)
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Are they really that loud?
Louder than a window rattler/wall unit?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:57 PM (bceP2)

142 Ward, weren't you a little hard on the Beaver Balloon yesterday?

Posted by: Zombie June Cleaver at February 05, 2023 03:57 PM (Xrfse)

143 I heard that mini splits are noisy.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 03:49 PM (bceP2)

Not window unit loud, and not forced, central air quiet. But for those 95-105 F days, you don't notice the sound.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 05, 2023 03:58 PM (PyOKD)

144
Cleaver
Posted by: JT
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My fingers are cold, thermostat set too low.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2023 03:58 PM (gKzkw)

145 >>>Reading the shoot down destroyed the payload section? Convenient.

>Those boys at the Pentagon are crackerjack like their Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 05, 2023 03:59 PM (Jg7EG)

146 Top. Men.

Posted by: Zombie June Cleaver at February 05, 2023 04:00 PM (Xrfse)

147 FOOD FIGHT UPSTAIRS

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 04:01 PM (xhxe8)

148 >>> Not window unit loud, and not forced, central air quiet. But for those 95-105 F days, you don't notice the sound.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 05, 2023 03:58 PM (PyOKD)
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Ha. Yeah, on those days my window rattler sounds like a lullaby.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at February 05, 2023 04:01 PM (bceP2)

149 If a Aim -9,was used as reported it locked onto payload no doubt and wrecked it

Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 04:03 PM (xhxe8)

150 So when was the last time an American pilot shot down a balloon?
WWI?

Posted by: Diogenes at February 05, 2023 04:04 PM (anj39)

151 If a Aim -9,was used as reported it locked onto payload no doubt and wrecked it
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2023 04:03 PM (xhxe

https://fbook.cc/4Ic4

You can see it hit right at the top of the payload.

A cannon shot would have made more sense but maybe the F22 couldn't get to 64K feet.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 05, 2023 04:05 PM (yQpMk)

152 "Republicans criticize Biden for waiting to shoot down Chinese balloon!" wails Reuters' David Lawder in their usual lefty media "Republican's Pounce" mode.

Obviously, he means Punchy is get richly roasted alive by every American embarrassed by this weak idiocy - but its Reuters, so the story is not about the act, but really all about the left's opponents' reaction to it.

Posted by: Boswell at February 05, 2023 04:41 PM (+Cgut)

153 We studied (well, discussed) that thermostat in one of the classes I took in management school oh so many years ago (though the concept is -still- quite relevant today).

Honeywell designed, mass-produced and sold that thermostat for 15 - 20 years or so; today, a product like that is virtually obsolete as soon as it hits the market.

Posted by: MrJimm at February 05, 2023 04:49 PM (w0GHq)

154 The vaunted F-22's first kill. A balloon. The kill flag on the airplane's nose will be awesome.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 05, 2023 03:51 PM (Q4IgG)

So, the Pentagon is trotting out their own trial balloon trying to say today that Trump started this "letting the Chinese walk on our face" routine with three other balloons during his Presidency...

Except John Ratcliff, Pompeo and former DoD chief Esper immediately shot that balloon down as a complete lie - along with, get this...John Bolton. Oops!

Posted by: Boswell at February 05, 2023 04:54 PM (+Cgut)

155 https://youtube.com/shorts/noccw2oONxo?feature=share

My contribution to Black History Month.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 05, 2023 04:59 PM (ufFY8)

156 It's obviously time to run a simple mass-balance equation - after which - and only after which - you can proudly say ' fuck it'.

Posted by: Dr_No at February 05, 2023 06:56 PM (mu5GU)

157 I'm with you. Forced air system in my house has a single zone. No matter what the thermostat is set at upstairs the best the downstairs gets is 65 F and sometimes is colder. Even with closing and opening registers, adjusting dampers.

House should have been built with at least 2 zones. Nothing can be done with the current system easily because everything is finished except the furnace room so fixing it requires tearing out the finished ceiling.

So my room downstairs requires an electric heater to assist with livability sometimes have to run it in the summer.

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