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Twilling Zone Tango Cafe

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Junya Watanabe/ Akihabara (Tokyo)

Elephant stands as tall as possible to grab branches from a tree. No matter how tall you think an elephant can stand, this guy will surprise you.

Abused dog now gives rescuers unconditional love.

Spider monkey makes a monkey-bridge for her baby to cross.

Men Posting Their W's.

Pelican's appetite is bigger than his beak.

Dog plays Snow Tetris.

A gun disarm that actually works, mostly because the gunman is holding the gun out in outer space and pointing it at nothing.

Choking out a python.

Another method of subduing a serpent, if you know what I mean.

Meteorite? Or alien?

Must be circus-folk.

Is this real, or am I being Lamont the Big Dummy again? It looks real but how can a boat make cuts like that?

Is this real? This can't be real.

I think this is mostly real, maybe with a little enhancement.

I don't know what to think any more.

This dog needs some peanut butter because it's nothin' but jelly!


What is going on here?

Yeah, obviously it's one guy and his legs aren't where you think they are and one body and one set of legs are just puppet-legs... but I still can't figure out what is going on here. Every time I think I know where his real legs are, something weird happens and then the real legs look like puppet legs too.

I linked this before, but: I think this stage magician is an actual wizard. What you call "reality" is just so much Play-Doh to be sculpted into Blue Dongs by his mystical hands.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at 07:30 PM




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1 Howdy!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 27, 2023 07:30 PM (u73oe)

2 Body cams from Memphis look really bad. Thugs with badges.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 27, 2023 07:30 PM (u73oe)

3 Ok, I’ll call em.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 27, 2023 07:30 PM (u73oe)

4 Nice photo up top. Are you just looking up 'cool city streets' or something?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:31 PM (zZu0s)

5 Snowy Japan. For some reason it makes the store fronts less garish.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:31 PM (zZu0s)

6 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 27, 2023 07:32 PM (qoGsy)

7 Does anyone have a hankie? I have to sneeze.

Posted by: Black Alien Guy at January 27, 2023 07:34 PM (PiwSw)

8 I linked this before, but: I think this stage magician is an actual wizard. What you call "reality" is just so much Play-Doh to be sculpted into Blue Dongs by his mystical hands.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at 07:30 PM
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Stop messing around with the Dark Arts!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 07:34 PM (BpYfr)

9 >>>4 Nice photo up top. Are you just looking up 'cool city streets' or something?

i think I just logged into Instagram for the first time in a year and I guess I had some photography accounts I had followed, so it suggested that account.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 07:34 PM (C1Zwz)

10 Boy928 is living in South Dakota. The next few days there it will barely get above zero during the day.

I just can't..

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 27, 2023 07:35 PM (yQpMk)

11 i think I just logged into Instagram for the first time in a year and I guess I had some photography accounts I had followed, so it suggested that account.
Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 07:34 PM (C1Zwz)

Nice. So you also have some busty fitness gals and pictures of people's meals to work through, I am guessing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:35 PM (zZu0s)

12 "Choking out a python."

Not gonna click on that.

Posted by: fd at January 27, 2023 07:35 PM (iayUP)

13 Does anyone have a hankie? I have to sneeze.
Posted by: Black Alien Guy at January 27, 2023 07:34 PM (PiwSw)

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The magician Lamont links to at the end of tonight's Cafe does...In fact, he seems to have an endless supply!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 07:35 PM (BpYfr)

14 I found the house in Pa, put in the offer, now we wait.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (xuw9/)

15 The power boat is specially designed to do those kinds of stunts. In addition, it's not always 100% in the water so it's kind of a hydroplaning situation. Cool stuff!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (jTmQV)

16 10 Boy928 is living in South Dakota. The next few days there it will barely get above zero during the day.

I just can't..
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 27, 2023 07:35 PM (yQpMk)

It's hard country. Beautiful though- and the cold keeps out the riff-raff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (zZu0s)

17 >>>Nice. So you also have some busty fitness gals and pictures of people's meals to work through, I am guessing.

i can't follow those, though, i don't want an e-trail

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (C1Zwz)

18 Nice picture

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (xhxe8)

19 That last video is on the wrong side of the Uncanny Valley to me.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (yQpMk)

20 Will Lamont say goodbye before he leaves?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 27, 2023 07:37 PM (eGTCV)

21 Is this real? This can't be real.
.......

Now who's the Big Dummy? Huh?

Posted by: wth at January 27, 2023 07:37 PM (v0R5T)

22 Okay. No Quick Hits.

Jay Leno now in a motorcycle crash, breaking several bones just 2 months after being burned in garage fire.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:37 PM (Vwz3I)

23 Will Lamont say goodbye before he leaves?
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 27, 2023 07:37 PM (eGTCV)


Count the spoons.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 27, 2023 07:38 PM (yQpMk)

24 ...but if you're on instagram and you're a guy you might want to check out an account called "dumperfarts"

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 07:38 PM (C1Zwz)

25 22 Okay. No Quick Hits.

Jay Leno now in a motorcycle crash, breaking several bones just 2 months after being burned in garage fire.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:37 PM (Vwz3I)

When he goes, he'll at least be able to say he played all four quarters.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:38 PM (zZu0s)

26 Here's the link to the four Tyre Nichols videos:

vimeo.com/cityofmemphis

Click on Videos.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 07:39 PM (eyxn4)

27 Do the Blue Men have, you know, Blue Dongs, that aren't actually made of Play-Doh?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at January 27, 2023 07:39 PM (a3Q+t)

28 24 ...but if you're on instagram and you're a guy you might want to check out an account called "dumperfarts"
Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 07:38 PM (C1Zwz)

'I am a meat popsicle.'
-Corbin Dallas

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (zZu0s)

29 Having lived in Memphis... yea.. shit gonna get real.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (Q4IgG)

30 Things probably going to get frisky in Memphis despite Joe talking to Nichols' parents.

I wonder if MSM will be lying through omission to pretend the five cops were white or whitish??

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (Vwz3I)

31 I could really stand to get laid. But not being a rich gigachad / or a homosexual- well, ain't happening.

Posted by: Just an average guy at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (UKe2c)

32 MONORAIL!

Posted by: wth at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (v0R5T)

33 I want to ride that mini rollercoaster.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (yQpMk)

34 That monorail looks like fun (20 years ago in my case).

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 27, 2023 07:41 PM (lz5hY)

35 I could really stand to get laid. But not being a rich gigachad / or a homosexual- well, ain't happening.
Posted by: Just an average guy at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM

Juno fixed me up.

Posted by: Beetlejuice at January 27, 2023 07:41 PM (a3Q+t)

36 I see Romney’s niece won again

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 27, 2023 07:42 PM (t+CmI)

37 The power boat is specially designed to do those kinds of stunts. In addition, it's not always 100% in the water so it's kind of a hydroplaning situation. Cool stuff!
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 27, 2023 07:36 PM (jTmQV)

I think with a keel board you can keep it from leaving the water on those turns.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:43 PM (eoQWY)

38 you might want to check out an account called "dumperfarts"
Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 07:38 PM (C1Zwz)

She is... gifted.

Sorry, rons. Trying to find a picture that I can link.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:43 PM (zZu0s)

39 " I see Romney’s niece won again"

We must let the show go on.

Posted by: The GOP at January 27, 2023 07:44 PM (iayUP)

40 *circus music*

Posted by: The GOP at January 27, 2023 07:45 PM (iayUP)

41 It was like that in Spokane when I was there. But when it got back up to freezing, it was tee shirt weather. it felt warmer

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 27, 2023 07:45 PM (4IUUf)

42 I've seen guys in bass boats with a big engine haul ass out of the water, maybe 20% of the boat is wet.
But they're usually going in a straight line...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 27, 2023 07:46 PM (jTmQV)

43 Hmmm, none of the pictures want to open up into a full link.

*ponders turning off safesearch, decides against it at work*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:46 PM (zZu0s)

44 That meteor is what I think I saw on a interstate driving decades ago. Certainly don't think it hit the ground

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 07:48 PM (xhxe8)

45 'Pillowy' would be the best descriptor that comes to mind.

Also, combined with Demi Rose and Angela White, Lamont definitely has a type.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:48 PM (zZu0s)

46 Things probably going to get frisky in Memphis despite Joe talking to Nichols' parents.

I wonder if MSM will be lying through omission to pretend the five cops were white or whitish??
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:40 PM (Vwz3I)

We all know those the MSM doesn't like inherit the mantle of whitehood when needed, skin doesn't matter.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:48 PM (eoQWY)

47 At the end of the dude choking out the python before it can choke him or someone in the group the video captures another person recording on their cellphone. That just seems typical of the 21st and fifth century. One dude taking care of things and bunch of dudes at a safe distance catching the action with their smart phone.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 27, 2023 07:49 PM (3cGpq)

48 " I see Romney’s niece won again"

We must let the show go on.

Posted by: The GOP

Write if you get work. On second thought, don't. I don't care.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 27, 2023 07:49 PM (eOEVl)

49 'Pillowy' would be the best descriptor that comes to mind.

Also, combined with Demi Rose and Angela White, Lamont definitely has a type.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:48 PM (zZu0s)

Last names that are Colors?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:49 PM (eoQWY)

50 Good luck on the house offer Thomas Bender.

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at January 27, 2023 07:50 PM (7EjX1)

51 Those that can tap the biggest wallets become the winners. Rona is the gone Pelosi

Posted by: Ben Had at January 27, 2023 07:51 PM (eu5He)

52 Almost died either a Guardian Angel or one lucky woman

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 07:51 PM (xhxe8)

53 Last names that are Colors?
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:49 PM (eoQWY)

I don't think 'dumperfart' fits though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:52 PM (zZu0s)

54 That monorail coaster looks like fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 27, 2023 07:53 PM (XGZoL)

55 *circus music*
Posted by: The GOP
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🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:53 PM (Vwz3I)

56 That meteor is what I think I saw on a interstate driving decades ago. Certainly don't think it hit the ground
Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 07:48 PM (xhxe

An actual meteor would be moving like a flash, and make a hell of a bang when it hit.

Fireworks can look a lot like this, burning and having enough drag to stay slow.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:53 PM (eoQWY)

57 I wonder where the wheel came from?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:53 PM (zZu0s)

58 Yeah, that Nichols video is bad. Nichols was doing that bullshit non-compliant compliance thing where they'll get down on the ground, but then roll around and argue with you and resist going into handcuffs.

He broke free and they deployed tasers and pepper spray, but he ran away.

Cops caught up with him and instead of dogpiling him, they all stayed on their feet and sort of grabbed at him. Nichols wasn't cooperating, so they kicked him in the head, tazed him, sprayed him, hit him with an ASP baton, and boxed/slapped him.

Of course, if Nichols had just cooperated and gone into handcuffs without resisting, he'd almost certainly be completely unharmed.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 07:53 PM (eyxn4)

59 @50

>>Good luck on the house offer Thomas Bender.

Thank you, it took me a year to find a house the last time and actually get to the point of closing on one.

Hopefully the process goes quicker this time.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 27, 2023 07:54 PM (xuw9/)

60 Last names that are Colors?
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:49 PM (eoQWY)

I don't think 'dumperfart' fits though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:52 PM (zZu0s)

you don't have the 512 Crayola Box I assume.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:54 PM (eoQWY)

61 "That monorail coaster looks like fun.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory "

It's got a weird squeak.

Posted by: fd at January 27, 2023 07:54 PM (iayUP)

62 Huh, didn't know that it snow in Tokyo -- have never seen any such photos. Figured it was more some island-like climate, although much higher latitude (about 36 N) than say Hawaii (about 19 N).

In searching for the details, was surprised to learn that Tokyo is the world's most populous city at 39 million.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 07:54 PM (bCmVL)

63 Evenin'

Albania is in the Balkans hence seconds away from descending into bloodshed and death. The Italian mob didn't mess with the Albanians. Still, lovely country. Love to visit Montenegro. The coast line looks amazing.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 27, 2023 07:55 PM (ppL7t)

64 Chris @ChrisSeay104 · 4h Replying to @MaxNordau
When a party keeps literally every leader in place that was in place before what should have been a rout that was instead a disappointing loss, maybe winning isn't the goal.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:55 PM (Vwz3I)

65 you don't have the 512 Crayola Box I assume.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:54 PM (eoQWY)

Hah! Touché.

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:55 PM (zZu0s)

66 Serpent spinning, a hot new trend !

Posted by: runner at January 27, 2023 07:55 PM (V13WU)

67 Almost died either a Guardian Angel or one lucky woman
Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 07:51 PM (xhxe

I think in both cases you could make an argument that the Angel should have worked on the wheel and made it not come off, or that *that* would have been lucky.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 07:56 PM (eoQWY)

68 Jet/sprint boat.
V8 spins a pivoting impeller drive.

Posted by: DaveA at January 27, 2023 07:56 PM (FhXTo)

69 I wonder where the wheel came from?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:53 PM (zZu0s)

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I'm not saying it was aliens, but ...

/I listened to way too much Art Bell in the 90's.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 07:56 PM (bCmVL)

70 39 million. In one city. It's like an anthill of humanity.

Posted by: fd at January 27, 2023 07:57 PM (iayUP)

71 Trump supported Rombney's niece for RNC chair. That is all I am going to say about that situation.

Posted by: runner at January 27, 2023 07:57 PM (V13WU)

72 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrKxOnzWjK8

Posted by: DaveA at January 27, 2023 07:58 PM (FhXTo)

73 Trump supported Rombney's niece for RNC chair. That is all I am going to say about that situation.
Posted by: runner at January 27, 2023 07:57 PM (V13WU)

—————-

Don’t care. I’m not a republican anymore.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 27, 2023 07:58 PM (u73oe)

74 Albania is in the Balkans hence seconds away from descending into bloodshed and death. The Italian mob didn't mess with the Albanians. Still, lovely country. Love to visit Montenegro. The coast line looks amazing.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 27, 2023 07:55 PM (ppL7t)

A couple good and one asshole emperor came from Dalmatia/Illyria.

Aurelian (what have you done with YOUR life?)
Probus (although he got wacked so quick that it is hard to say if he would have been good.)

And then there is Diocletian.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:58 PM (zZu0s)

75 5 large cops can't cuff one Wally Cox sized guy?
Incompetent? badly trained? or just enjoy kicking punching and spraying little guys for the hell of it?
Jail them. throw away the key. L

Posted by: Ex-GOP at January 27, 2023 07:58 PM (Tc2CN)

76 Thank you Lamont. You did a great job all week. We were well sated. Not just any big dummy could have done so well. You are the most ut. Now, go in peace. May your journey back to Watts be a blessed one. Say Hey to Grady.

Posted by: Town Friar at January 27, 2023 07:59 PM (8ocB+)

77 39 million. In one city. It's like an anthill of humanity.
Posted by: fd at January 27, 2023 07:57 PM (iayUP)
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I don't follow Japanese culture/politics much, but I do wonder if they have the same problems found in American cities (I'm sure they have their own peculiar problems).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 07:59 PM (BpYfr)

78 Trump supported Rombney's niece for RNC chair. That is all I am going to say about that situation.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 27, 2023 07:59 PM (eOEVl)

79 The part I saw, after they had him secure and beaten, it looked like they held him up and beat him some more, that is when they killed him. But I just got one look at that. ... it was nto a body cam, it was some street view camera ... on a light post or something.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 27, 2023 08:00 PM (Cus5s)

80 Chris @ChrisSeay104 · 4h Replying to @MaxNordau
When a party keeps literally every leader in place that was in place before what should have been a rout that was instead a disappointing loss, maybe winning isn't the goal.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 07:55 PM (Vwz3I)

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Cannot be shouted from the rooftops enough ... not to mention, actively participating in and helping to remove -- and then helping steal an election from -- an actual conservative POTUS.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 08:00 PM (bCmVL)

81 Ace, the boat thing is real.
Saw it years ago late at night on ESPN.
I have seen boats making even more extreme turns than that .
My recollection pf the tacing was that the boats were smaller and the water was shallow and muddy.
They were pretty much doing a figure eight at an insane speed as well.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at January 27, 2023 08:00 PM (sGcT5)

82 I don't follow Japanese culture/politics much, but I do wonder if they have the same problems found in American cities (I'm sure they have their own peculiar problems).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 07:59 PM (BpYfr)

Cleanest streets and best road repair I have EVER seen. This was near Osaka, but I am betting it is not an anomaly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:00 PM (zZu0s)

83
"Choking out a python."
Not gonna click on that.
Posted by: fd

What you call "reality" is just so much Play-Doh to be sculpted into Blue Dongs by his mystical hands.
Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 27, 2023 08:01 PM (63Dwl)

84 Why do they all resist arrest. I mean when they tell you give me your hands you give them your god damned hands and deal with the issue later. The kid is a dumbass and those cops need to go to jail for a very long time.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 27, 2023 08:01 PM (NXGjq)

85 58:Of course, if Nichols had just cooperated and gone into handcuffs without resisting, he'd almost certainly be completely unharmed.
Posted by: bonhomme


That thar is RAZIST talk!!!

/s

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 27, 2023 08:02 PM (ppL7t)

86 Republican apparatchicks do not give a shit for voters. These people learn nothing .

Posted by: Ben Had at January 27, 2023 08:02 PM (eu5He)

87 See you next week, Ace.
Tell Lamont he's a big dummy for me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 27, 2023 08:03 PM (xcxpd)

88 I think some meteors completely burn up, even a few small grains make a bright flash

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:04 PM (xhxe8)

89 A couple good and one asshole emperor came from Dalmatia/Illyria.

Aurelian (what have you done with YOUR life?)
Probus (although he got wacked so quick that it is hard to say if he would have been good.)

And then there is Diocletian.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 07:58 PM (zZu0s)

Claudius Gothicus

Charlemagne, his dad and all his descendants.

All Illyrians.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:08 PM (eoQWY)

90 81 Ace, the boat thing is real.
Saw it years ago late at night on ESPN.
I have seen boats making even more extreme turns than that .
My recollection pf the tacing was that the boats were smaller and the water was shallow and muddy.
They were pretty much doing a figure eight at an insane speed as well.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale


You can still find it on various Outdoor networks. The ones that show fishing, hunting, etc.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 27, 2023 08:08 PM (ppL7t)

91 I think some meteors completely burn up, even a few small grains make a bright flash
Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:04 PM (xhxe

Sure but I don't see the wiggly flames and low speed being any kind of meteorite.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:08 PM (eoQWY)

92 Choking out a python.
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Whew! Not what I thought it was going to be.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 27, 2023 08:09 PM (Dc2NZ)

93 The boat racing is called Jetsprint racing.
Here is a link with info.

https://tinyurl.com/y7dphfcf

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at January 27, 2023 08:09 PM (sGcT5)

94 Old man and a young woman walking across the street to get some Take Out.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 08:10 PM (nDTNp)

95 I was watching the Persiod shower once and actually saw a smoke trial of a meteor headed in my general direction.

It was slow like that meteor in the video.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 27, 2023 08:10 PM (t+CmI)

96 thanks for the info on jetsprint racing. very cool.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at January 27, 2023 08:11 PM (C1Zwz)

97 The pieces of debris 'loose' in space are called meteoroids.

The term meteor refers to the streak of light caused by a piece of space debris burning up in the atmosphere.

Remnants of the debris that reach Earth's surface (or another planet's) are called meteorites.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher, D&D Player of the Fortnight at January 27, 2023 08:12 PM (a3Q+t)

98 I was watching the Persiod shower once and actually saw a smoke trial of a meteor headed in my general direction.

It was slow like that meteor in the video.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 27, 2023 08:10 PM (t+CmI)

Hmm

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:12 PM (eoQWY)

99 I was watching the Persiod shower once and actually saw a smoke trial of a meteor headed in my general direction.

It was slow like that meteor in the video.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Plasma trail.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 27, 2023 08:12 PM (I2ZL9)

100 Why do they all resist arrest. I mean when they tell you give me your hands you give them your god damned hands and deal with the issue later.
-
There are a lot of assumptions you had better be right about if you're going to surrender to someone who attacks you and wants to bind your hands.

From videos floating around, a fair number of Russian soldiers were incorrect about those assumptions, for example.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 08:13 PM (kOpft)

101 One of my fave instagram accounts is onthedailywithdahlia. She does a great Kamala impression.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at January 27, 2023 08:13 PM (OX9vb)

102 Those 5 Memphis cops are just thugs with badges

some cops are bastards

Posted by: DB at January 27, 2023 08:13 PM (geLO8)

103 O/T and speaking of Albania:

I haven't really been following it, listening in the background, but Bongino the past few days has been describing new, recently-revealed connections (that I think maybe he may have previously identified) between the Biden Foreign Agent Scandal and Albania.

[Where is JackStraw when you need him?]

"What were Soros, Biden, the CCP, and Sinaloa Cartel doing in Albania?"

https://tinyurl.com/bdcuwvep

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 08:14 PM (bCmVL)

104 Choking out a python.
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Whew! Not what I thought it was going to be.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 27, 2023 08:09 PM

Ace doesn't link to me much anymore.

Posted by: Jeffrey "The Toob" Toobin at January 27, 2023 08:14 PM (a3Q+t)

105 Claudius Gothicus

Charlemagne, his dad and all his descendants.

All Illyrians.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:08 PM (eoQWY)

Dammit, I knew I was missing an emperor.

Also, Constantine and Constantius Chlorus.

I'd put his dad in the 'good' column. Constantine is complicated.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:14 PM (zZu0s)

106 I wonder where the wheel came from?
Posted by: Aetius
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Egyptians, I think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 08:15 PM (g3gMh)

107 How about space junk falling back to earth?

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:15 PM (xhxe8)

108 >>It looks real but how can a boat make cuts like that?

Real. Jet drive.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2023 08:15 PM (ZLI7S)

109 Egyptians, I think.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 08:15 PM (g3gMh)

Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:16 PM (zZu0s)

110 The kayaker going down the waterfall is fake.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 27, 2023 08:16 PM (U2p+3)

111 >How about space junk falling back to earth?

Posted by: Skip

where's my umbrella

Posted by: DB at January 27, 2023 08:16 PM (geLO8)

112 Constantius II I would think, yeah 'villain.' Kind of hard to not when he had most of his extended family murdered.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:17 PM (zZu0s)

113 The part I saw, after they had him secure and beaten, it looked like they held him up and beat him some more, that is when they killed him. But I just got one look at that. ... it was nto a body cam, it was some street view camera ... on a light post or something.
Posted by: illiniwek

The street cam is probably the best overall view. The City website only has 4 videos, including the pole video. One video is sort of useless, because it gets knocked off the officer early in the tussle. Another only shows the first traffic stop, where the professionals amanaged to drag him out of the car, get him on the ground, and then let him escape. (Want to bet that was a major escalation / incitement cause?)

There were five (5) cops indicted. Where are their body cam videos? One cop was slugging the handcuffed suspect. Where was his video? Or did he "forget" to leave it on?

Posted by: rd at January 27, 2023 08:17 PM (Z32m1)

114 335 I called Seattle's demise 24 years ago. See the
1999 Seattle WTO protests. All my conservative friends said I was wrong. "America would never fall victim to a bunch of nutcases." Fucking idiots. Now most if those same conservatives are cheering on bidens america/russia proxy war. Fucking insane idiots.

Posted by: MikeN at January 27, 2023 08:17 PM (yQSoz)

115 Also, Constantine and Constantius Chlorus.

I'd put his dad in the 'good' column. Constantine is complicated.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:14 PM (zZu0s)

Good Emperor. Not so good subordinate. Bad dad.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

116 Is this real, or am I being Lamont the Big Dummy again? It looks real but how can a boat make cuts like that?

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Play it backwards and it will make more sense.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:18 PM (ZLyax)

117 If this pain and itch doesn't let up, I may need to get surgery on my asteroids.

Posted by: The Big Guy at January 27, 2023 08:18 PM (8ocB+)

118 I wonder where the wheel came from?
Posted by: Aetius
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Egyptians, I think.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Not us.

Posted by: Native Americans and Africans at January 27, 2023 08:19 PM (Z32m1)

119 Good Emperor. Not so good subordinate. Bad dad.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

An understatement. Not a great husband either.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:19 PM (zZu0s)

120 Constantius II I would think, yeah 'villain.' Kind of hard to not when he had most of his extended family murdered.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:17 PM (zZu0s)

That's just because he was closest. None of Consty's boys had much problem with the purge. Or in whittling each other down afterward.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:19 PM (eoQWY)

121 Jay should probably slow down, there won't be anything left by the end of the year.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2023 08:20 PM (xhaym)

122 that one cop said 'imma baton the fuck outta you'

and it looks like they stood the guy up and took turns throwing punches at him

Posted by: DB at January 27, 2023 08:20 PM (geLO8)

123 A gun disarm that actually works, mostly because the gunman is holding the gun out in outer space and pointing it at nothing.


Here is how to disarm a bad guy with a pistol at close quarters, courtesy of the US Marine Corps and the US Army:

https://tinyurl.com/5ck2jsyu

Skip ahead to 12:36. Also in the film are how to disarm someone with a gun aimed at your head, how to disarm someone threatening you with a rifle with bayonet, and more!

Posted by: Gref at January 27, 2023 08:21 PM (AMIL/)

124 Memphis, TN.
Democrat leadership exclusively since the early 80s.
65% black
Black cops beat black man.

Republicans' fault

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:21 PM (ZLyax)

125 Damnit, I missed the last thread. I woulda posted a video of this fucknut who turned himself into a fucking female dragon:

https://youtu.be/_d_nycoiLwo

A bullet to the forehead is the only solution to this madness.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 27, 2023 08:22 PM (ynVvt)

126 Kayak in a hundred foot drop? Thinking not

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:22 PM (xhxe8)

127 Live coverage of Tyre riots:
youtube.com/watch?v=WjdTRFX4Ixg

This is the same channel that did such a good job covering and analyzing the Rittenhouse incident.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:23 PM (24fqN)

128 124 That would be my guess for the reaction

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:23 PM (xhxe8)

129 I have this movie on, Hell to Eternity, about an American kid fostered by Japanese Americans and joins the Corps when the war breaks out. The old gal playing the mama looks just like the old gal who ran our coffee mess in Iwakuni. She was a sweetheart, didn't hold on to the job for the money, just did it so she and her husband could golf on base. I think her husband tipped off the local Commies when there were nuke loading drills conducted.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 27, 2023 08:24 PM (lz5hY)

130 Those 5 Memphis cops are just thugs with badges

some cops are bastards
Posted by: DB
==========

The Democrat Blue City rots from the head.

The Blue City Entitled Democrat politicians are corrupt bastards abusing their own power. Are you really surprised that the other city employees do not follow the example of their "leaders?"

Posted by: rd at January 27, 2023 08:24 PM (Z32m1)

131 I think that the woman's legs are the guys arms, so the four legs are real, but it's two arms and two legs and both the heads are fake.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at January 27, 2023 08:24 PM (iZEhM)

132 122 that one cop said 'imma baton the fuck outta you'

and it looks like they stood the guy up and took turns throwing punches at him
Posted by: DB at January 27, 2023 08:20 PM (geLO

You ever wonder if popular culture just makes people think that the human body is far more resilient than it actually is? Or is this just a case of blood getting up and doing stupid shit?

Or just plain bad guys?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:25 PM (zZu0s)

133 115 Also, Constantine and Constantius Chlorus.

I'd put his dad in the 'good' column. Constantine is complicated.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:14 PM (zZu0s)

Good Emperor. Not so good subordinate. Bad dad.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

Lots of royals and aristocrats are bad parents. Frankly I think their position in life just sets them up to be screwed up. They have unusual responsibilities and concerns that make their personal relationships abnormal.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:25 PM (eYoxG)

134 Spammer/scammer test post, 536 on the previous thread.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 27, 2023 08:25 PM (tkR6S)

135 You ever wonder if popular culture just makes people think that the human body is far more resilient than it actually is? Or is this just a case of blood getting up and doing stupid shit?

Or just plain bad guys?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:25 PM (zZu0s)

B and C. I'd think adequate training should eliminate A among cops.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:26 PM (eoQWY)

136 Leftie internet warriors seem frisky this evening. Maybe it's go time, finally.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 27, 2023 08:26 PM (AaLDK)

137 Ha, "smoke 'n scan". Indeed he did a good job at various points during the National Racist-Totalitarian Street Festival of 2020, aggregating livefeeds from various venues of the festivities. And then the wacky tobaccy interludes, and his cat. Fulfilling the true potential of the interwebs.

There was actually another guy, name I forget, I found via Smoke 'n Scan, who nearly instantly had 2 or 3 videos of the Rittenhouse incident (most of it), including the stirring conclusion where Kyle was down on the street, being attacked and taking care of business.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:26 PM (OTzUX)

138 Lots of royals and aristocrats are bad parents. Frankly I think their position in life just sets them up to be screwed up. They have unusual responsibilities and concerns that make their personal relationships abnormal.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:25 PM (eYoxG)

Murdering your talented and favored son and then.. was it starving to death your wife after you find out she tricked you into killing said son...

I am surprised they have not done a tv series on Constantine.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:27 PM (zZu0s)

139 Here's the link to the four Tyre Nichols videos:

vimeo.com/cityofmemphis

Click on Videos.

Posted by: bonhomme



Don't give even the tiniest of shits about Mr.Nichols or his killers. Fuck them all.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 27, 2023 08:27 PM (ynVvt)

140 Glad it is 10F and dropping here in Minneapolis. Stiff breeze to, so the windchill is pretty fierce.

Posted by: rd at January 27, 2023 08:28 PM (Z32m1)

141 Damnit, I missed the last thread. I woulda posted a video of this fucknut who turned himself into a fucking female dragon:
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I don't blame the mentally ill. They're crying out for help.

But I'm assuming a doctor removed that man's nostrils and implanted marbles (or whatever) under the skin of his skull to help him pretend he is a dragon. Oh, a chick, too. A female dragon. Medical doctors enable that, and THAT is the part I can't figure out.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:28 PM (ZLyax)

142 "And then the wacky tobaccy interludes, and his cat"

I'm there for Stinky the Cat.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:28 PM (24fqN)

143 Wait, did something unusual happen in a blue sh*thole?

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:29 PM (ZLyax)

144 Murdering your talented and favored son and then.. was it starving to death your wife after you find out she tricked you into killing said son...

I am surprised they have not done a tv series on Constantine.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:27 PM (zZu0s)

Too Catholic.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:29 PM (eoQWY)

145 Bill in AR, note the actor playing Guy Gabaldon's adoptive brother.

"Oh my!"

Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

146 Too Catholic.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:29 PM (eoQWY)

Well, it kind of predates Catholic. More... Eastern Orthodox with the founding of Constantinople? The story has everything. Intrigue, war, betrayals, revenge, winning against long odds, death, lots of death.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:30 PM (zZu0s)

147 Although I do appreciate the reportage on it all — Ace, JJS, & co. — I have no great need to saturate myself in $#!+. I now just don't play those Groomer Teacher &al. videos. I can just take a pass on (the many) links to gross stuff.
👹
Then along comes Lamont with a big post full of photos of mutilated psycho, which topic I had been avoiding. Can't exactly just breeze by; saw, but didn't linger.

On the other paw
🐕
I want to note that our young Malinois, Daisy, has begun to take an interest in the café videos, especially the ones with doggies.

Daisy requests more pooch vids. (I'm reminded of the crazy boss in Scrooged suggesting they need to show more mice because cats were starting to watch TV.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - pandemonium, now with real pandes at January 27, 2023 08:31 PM (EF8GF)

148 124 Memphis, TN.
Democrat leadership exclusively since the early 80s.
65% black
Black cops beat black man.

Republicans' fault

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:21 PM (ZLyax)


Joe and every Democrat denounces violent protests about allegedly racist cops and allegedly brutal cops, but do nothing to prevent the riots that they know are coming or stop the riots once started. Because those riots serve the Democrats purposes, to blame MAGA Replicans, white supremacist cops, cops who use "excessive force," and every other group they can denounce in each particular case.

Posted by: Gref at January 27, 2023 08:31 PM (AMIL/)

149 I remember Kyle Rittenhouse. There were THREE Nights of riots in Kenosha. Not one. Not two. THREE NIGHTS of riots, arson and looting.

Funny how after 3 people got shot? There was not a fourth night.

Posted by: rd at January 27, 2023 08:32 PM (Z32m1)

150 Too Catholic.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:29 PM (eoQWY)

Well, it kind of predates Catholic. More... Eastern Orthodox with the founding of Constantinople? The story has everything. Intrigue, war, betrayals, revenge, winning against long odds, death, lots of death.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:30 PM (zZu0s)

If you go Game of Thrones on it, you alienate a lot of Catholics. You go all sainthood on it, and its kinda boring because he's winning all the way and the Religious element just can't be done in Wokeville.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:32 PM (eoQWY)

151 Broadcast in primetime every day, teach daily in every grade K-12:

You have no right to resist lawful arrest. You have no right to refuse to exit your car if ordered by LE. Violently resisting arrest is dangerous but most of all futile. You have no right to a 'fair fight' with LE.

Got to hammer this over and over and over until they internalize it.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:32 PM (24fqN)

152 I like the animal videos, especially mixed animal buddies

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:33 PM (xhxe8)

153 If Lamont just ghosts us I would be hurt. At minimum there needs to be cake.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 27, 2023 08:33 PM (eGTCV)

154 146 Too Catholic.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:29 PM (eoQWY)

Well, it kind of predates Catholic. More... Eastern Orthodox with the founding of Constantinople? The story has everything. Intrigue, war, betrayals, revenge, winning against long odds, death, lots of death.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:30 PM (zZu0s)

There's not that level of deviation yet, and there is very tight similarity between the groups today. Waning power of the pope happens over many centuries before the Byzantine Emperor really asserts his authority to appoint bishops.

The liturgy was different yes, but still close and the main difference is Latin vs Greek. Basically indistinguishable to an audience from a modern TLM.

Masses have kept incredibly close to the ancient versions over a long time period.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:34 PM (eYoxG)

155 If you go Game of Thrones on it, you alienate a lot of Catholics. You go all sainthood on it, and its kinda boring because he's winning all the way and the Religious element just can't be done in Wokeville.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:32 PM (eoQWY)

Maybe... Game of Thrones without the pedo shit? A happy medium.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:34 PM (zZu0s)

156 >Leftie internet warriors seem frisky this evening. Maybe it's go time, finally.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 27, 2023 08:26 PM (AaLDK)

Regarding antifa v Dem-city cops, let's you and him fight.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 08:34 PM (+G+lR)

157 I saw Anthill of Humanity play at the Crystal Ballroom. It was too crowded to dance.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2023 08:34 PM (xhaym)

158 Leno's motorcycle accident wasn't his fault. He was pulling into a parking lot to check a fuel line on his bike, there was a line stretched across the way without a flag or anything on it, and he got knocked off the bike. Kinda like when Steve McQueen stole the motorcycle in The Great Escape.

Posted by: davidt at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (SYTee)

159 Certain people fight the cops in hopes of getting rich/famous.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (sGcT5)

160 What is conscupence?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (eGTCV)

161 General Bellisarius was from Dalmatia

Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (xhaym)

162 145 I noticed that to, rhomboid. Imagine Georgie Boy in the 442 RCT.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (lz5hY)

163 Well, it kind of predates Catholic. More... Eastern Orthodox with the founding of Constantinople? The story has everything. Intrigue, war, betrayals, revenge, winning against long odds, death, lots of death.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:30 PM (zZu0s)

The splits hadn't happened, even a little in his day. He was big on unifying the doctrine which then resulted in some persecutions and other difficulties and he gave the Church the power of the state to do it.

It would make decent TV if anyone can make decent TV, but I'm just saying why nobody did it earlier while Nero, Caesar and the like get lots of chances.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (eoQWY)

164 Nichols cries out for his mama....pretty sure he was in fear for his life. That said, piss on the hate mongers/race baiters who'll use this in the usual manner.

Posted by: BignJames at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (AwYPR)

165 And the nihilism. Yeah, definitely drop the Nihilism.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (zZu0s)

166 I saw Anthill of Humanity play at the Crystal Ballroom. It was too crowded to dance.

I assume it's closed on sunny days.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 27, 2023 08:36 PM (eOEVl)

167 Antifa has been organizing, and training.

Weekend camps in the mountains outside of Denver... to my DIRECT knowledge.

Sadly, I've got an adult child involved.... not sure how the hell I'm going to handle this.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 27, 2023 08:36 PM (oHd/0)

168 I watched all four videos posted on Vimeo. From the street camera (elevated) view, it looks like the officers had control of the suspect but then stood him up and beat him. However, the body camera seems to show that the suspect was not cuffed, managed to get to his feet, and they punched him as they tried to gain control. They finally get the cuffs on him and put him in a seated position against the squad car. I'm reserving judgment on this one until I see something more definitive.

Posted by: PabloD at January 27, 2023 08:36 PM (zP5wv)

169 "Certain people fight the cops in hopes of getting rich/famous."

One of the chants I'm hearing right now: "You take our lives, we'll take your money."

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:36 PM (24fqN)

170 Murdering your talented and favored son and then.. was it starving to death your wife after you find out she tricked you into killing said son...

I am surprised they have not done a tv series on Constantine.
Posted by: Aetius
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Herod the Great was no slacker either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 08:36 PM (tf17a)

171 149 I remember Kyle Rittenhouse. There were THREE Nights of riots in Kenosha. Not one. Not two. THREE NIGHTS of riots, arson and looting.

Funny how after 3 people got shot? There was not a fourth night.

==================

Kyle and a half dozen people should not have been in Kenosha trying to defend Kenosha.

It should have been 3,000 WI National Guard defending Kenosha. Gutless Governor Tony Evers should Burn in Hell for letting them burn Kenosha.

Posted by: rd at January 27, 2023 08:37 PM (Z32m1)

172 concupiscence is strong sexual desire or lust.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 27, 2023 08:37 PM (eOEVl)

173 At least 3 of the 4 main islands in Japan get snow, in a few places quite a bit (they've hosted 2 Winter Olympics, in different places). Was only there in winter once, no snow, but some of the already beautiful spots, temples, etc look quite spectacular in snow. Don't think Tokyo gets a lot of snow, though.

High on my list for Japan visits is Hokkaido in winter, for winter sports.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:37 PM (OTzUX)

174 What is conscupence?
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (eGTCV)

——————

Twenty pence, same as in town.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (u73oe)

175 I think some meteors completely burn up, even a few small grains make a bright flash
Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:04 PM (xhxe

There was a guy who went over the top of a couple of buildings with a magnet in NYC looking for micrometeorites in a program. I think he found a couple, and a fair amount of welding and grinding slag too

Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (xhaym)

176 163 Well, it kind of predates Catholic. More... Eastern Orthodox with the founding of Constantinople? The story has everything. Intrigue, war, betrayals, revenge, winning against long odds, death, lots of death.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:30 PM (zZu0s)

The splits hadn't happened, even a little in his day. He was big on unifying the doctrine which then resulted in some persecutions and other difficulties and he gave the Church the power of the state to do it.

It would make decent TV if anyone can make decent TV, but I'm just saying why nobody did it earlier while Nero, Caesar and the like get lots of chances.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (eoQWY)

Well before the Eastern emperors tried to re-center things in Constantinople, yeah. Constantine integrates a previously outcast religious group and recognizes their authority structure.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (eYoxG)

177 You ever wonder if popular culture just makes people think that the human body is far more resilient than it actually is? Or is this just a case of blood getting up and doing stupid shit?

Playing too many video games can do very odd things to you psychologically. You start to halfway sorta believe that's how things work: I need to fast travel home. I'm just gonna jump off this and drink a healing potion. I can take a hit and just lose health bar.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (0hOvj)

178 General Bellisarius was from Dalmatia
Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2023 08:35 PM (xhaym)

From Wiki

Belisarius was probably born in Germania, a fortified town of which some archaeological remains still exist, on the site of present-day Sapareva Banya in south-west Bulgaria, within the borders of Thrace and Paeonia, or in Germen, a town in Thrace near Orestiada, in present-day Greece.[2] Born into an Illyrian,[3][4][5][6] Thracian,[7] or Greek[8][9] family, he became a Roman soldier as a young man, serving in the bodyguard of Emperor Justin I.[10]

Emperors Justin, Justinian and Belisarius and some other generals were a substantial Thracian faction because they all more or less knew each other.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (eoQWY)

179 169 "Certain people fight the cops in hopes of getting rich/famous."

One of the chants I'm hearing right now: "You take our lives, we'll take your money."
Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:36 PM (24fqN)

One of their propaganda talking points, is about generational wealth... ie... what we inherit.

Saying that they cannot be successful, because some of us have money.... even when most of them WILL, at a later point in their life... inherit.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (oHd/0)

180 "Nichols cries out for his mama"

This is pretty common with people stressed by LE encounters. They mention mama, my baby, grandma just died, stuff like that. See it often on bodycam vids.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (24fqN)

181 Playing too many video games can do very odd things to you psychologically. You start to halfway sorta believe that's how things work: I need to fast travel home. I'm just gonna jump off this and drink a healing potion. I can take a hit and just lose health bar.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (0hOvj)

I respawn every morning.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (eoQWY)

182 I watched all four videos posted on Vimeo. From the street camera (elevated) view, it looks like the officers had control of the suspect but then stood him up and beat him. However, the body camera seems to show that the suspect was not cuffed, managed to get to his feet, and they punched him as they tried to gain control. They finally get the cuffs on him and put him in a seated position against the squad car. I'm reserving judgment on this one until I see something more definitive.
Posted by: PabloD
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There were a half dozen cops there. Where are the other body cam videos?

Posted by: rd at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (Z32m1)

183 And you could make his mother, St Helena into the hero of the story. Maybe Helen Mirren.

I am not sure who you pick for Constantine. Have to be the right mix of likeable, but also crafty.

I realize this is a pipe dream, but I can wish.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (zZu0s)

184 General Bellisarius was from Dalmatia

I think they named the Las Vegas hotel after him.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 27, 2023 08:40 PM (eOEVl)

185 181 Playing too many video games can do very odd things to you psychologically. You start to halfway sorta believe that's how things work: I need to fast travel home. I'm just gonna jump off this and drink a healing potion. I can take a hit and just lose health bar.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:38 PM (0hOvj)

I respawn every morning.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (eoQWY)

Lol. That is an interesting argument about unconsciousness and death.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:40 PM (eYoxG)

186 "Here's the link to the four Tyre Nichols videos:
vimeo.com/cityofmemphis

the first one from the lamppost tells the strory in the first three minutes. They had him, propped him up so one guy could deliver a soccer kick or two to his head. (left him limping later)

Then they lifted him again to throw more punches as he was defenseless. ... adrenalin (and arrogance/stupidity) is a helluva drug. (or maybe demons got involved, idk).

Posted by: illiniwek at January 27, 2023 08:40 PM (Cus5s)

187 The boat is real, as everyone is saying, but it has been sped up 50 - 100 percent.

So similar sort of camera trickery as that melting candy head, but less dramatic

Posted by: .87c at January 27, 2023 08:41 PM (Zzk59)

188 That elephant is deforesting the savanna.

Tusk, tusk.

Posted by: 496 at January 27, 2023 08:41 PM (HRb6k)

189 Good point, Bill in AR. I think there is/was a move to get some freeway or something in LA named after Gabaldon (or already happened, not sure). The stretch of the 405 that skirts LAX is named for a 442nd RCT Medal of Honor winner, I think.

Gabaldon certainly deserves recognition (and I think there were a few other Nisei, who were in intel units, who also managed to help secure some surrenders on Okinawa).

And the US had medical teams for Okinawa specifically formed to help the civilian population, going in. America was/is an amazing country, in context. And history can be complicated, though few seem to need to trouble themselves with such details (reality).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

190 It looks real but how can a boat make cuts like that?

That is extremely cool. Is it a drifting contest for boats?

Posted by: t-bird at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (Sv58p)

191 Herod the Great was no slacker either.

He was a truly amazing person, he deserved the title "great". Horrible, evil, sick person. But great.

There's an old book my mom has that I would read bits of when I visited called "The Vital Spark" by Thomas Lowell. He takes great, monumental, and significant figures through history going back thousands of years, and examines what made them so great and what they accomplished for good or ill. Herod belongs in that category.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (0hOvj)

192 What is conscupence?

sigh

Posted by: Moose Out Front at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (Xrfse)

193 I respawn every morning.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:39 PM (eoQWY)

Lol. That is an interesting argument about unconsciousness and death.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:40 PM (eYoxG)

Whole genre of Lit RPG books out there... where someone gets 'put' into a video game...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (oHd/0)

194 How about space junk falling back to earth?

Posted by: Skip

where's my umbrella
Posted by: DB

I knew I wasn't the only one that watched the Max Headroom show.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 27, 2023 08:43 PM (XF9Gj)

195 Should not get too far of sleep schedule
Hope you all have a great evening.


https://tinyurl.com/bdcty4bj
Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 08:43 PM (xhxe8)

196 And the US had medical teams for Okinawa specifically formed to help the civilian population, going in. America was/is an amazing country, in context. And history can be complicated, though few seem to need to trouble themselves with such details (reality).
Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

One of the difficulties of the breakout from Normandy is that Ike suddenly had to *feed* Paris.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:43 PM (eoQWY)

197 America's Got Talent video is really cool.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 27, 2023 08:44 PM (NpAcC)

198 191
He was a truly amazing person, he deserved the title "great". Horrible, evil, sick person. But great.

There's an old book my mom has that I would read bits of when I visited called "The Vital Spark" by Thomas Lowell. He takes great, monumental, and significant figures through history going back thousands of years, and examines what made them so great and what they accomplished for good or ill. Herod belongs in that category.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:42 PM (0hOvj)

People need some measure of virtue to do great evil. Collect all vices and you become pretty powerless. But diligence, pride, and patience? Now that's a scary villain.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:44 PM (eYoxG)

199 "Nichols cries out for his mama"

This is pretty common with people stressed by LE encounters. They mention mama, my baby, grandma just died, stuff like that. See it often on bodycam vids.
Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead
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(finds meth in pants he's wearing)

THEM AIN'T MY PANTS!

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:45 PM (ZLyax)

200 197 America's Got Talent video is really cool.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 27, 2023 08:44 PM (NpAcC)

Yeah, but what does the guy do for his NEXT performance? to win?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 27, 2023 08:45 PM (oHd/0)

201 Whole genre of Lit RPG books out there... where someone gets 'put' into a video game

"Don't get me started"
--Kevin Flynn

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:45 PM (0hOvj)

202 I've examined some of the plaques/headstones at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery a few times when walking/biking through. One day I found three Japanese names, WWII era. One had "Go for Broke" right on the headstone, leaving no doubt about that guy's service. Two others had other, simple Army unit affiliations. But very likely they were in intel units, and/or part of the big effort based up in MN early on to develop a Japanese/English military dictionary, and train interpreters.

Amazing what some knowledge of history can give you from just reading some headstone text.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:46 PM (OTzUX)

203 "However, the body camera seems to show that the suspect was not cuffed, managed to get to his feet, and they punched him as they tried to gain control. "

nah, they had him on the ground not moving when the cop wound up and kicked him in the head. He was not moving much when they got him up and threw roundhouse punches. ... But sure, maybe another angle eliminates the cop kicking him in the head as he was on the ground held down by three cops.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 27, 2023 08:47 PM (Cus5s)

204 "Certain people fight the cops in hopes of getting rich/famous."

--

One of the funniest and simultaneously saddest things I've ever seen was one of George Floyd's baby mommas being interviewed after his family won the lotter and she described seeing him on TV and telling the young man in the room with her "That's your daddy"

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:47 PM (ZLyax)

205 You have no right to resist lawful arrest. You have no right to refuse to exit your car if ordered by LE. Violently resisting arrest is dangerous but most of all futile. You have no right to a 'fair fight' with LE.

Got to hammer this over and over and over until they internalize it.
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The entire point of the second amendment is that there are times when it is necessary to use force to resist alleged authorities.

The wokesters, I'm sure, will be more than happy to broadcast your message when they're sure that their control is complete.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 08:48 PM (kOpft)

206 People need some measure of virtue to do great evil. Collect all vices and you become pretty powerless. But diligence, pride, and patience? Now that's a scary villain.

Some are really hard to pin down on the good/bad scale. Julius Caesar was pretty hardcore, but not excessively for his culture and time. And he accomplished amazingly great things, both good and questionable. He redesigned the calendar into pretty much what we have today (including leap years) just as a side project in the middle of the other stuff he was doing.

Was Napoleon a monster or a hero? I mean... kinda both.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:49 PM (0hOvj)

207 Akihabara is cool. Betcha you could buy ham radio gear there.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 08:49 PM (XzIdt)

208 But sure, maybe another angle eliminates the cop kicking him in the head as he was on the ground held down by three cops.

The guy who pepper-sprayed himself came back and whipped the guy three times with a baton. That's when he stood up again (somehow!). The cops seemed like they were almost completely untrained.

Posted by: t-bird at January 27, 2023 08:50 PM (e2onP)

209 Have never seen names (or decorations connected to it), but there were other instances of US soldiers getting both civilians and military on Okinawa to surrender/not kill themselves, especially towards the finale in the south end of the island. One guy, pretty sure a bilingual intel Nisei, actually crossed what passed for lines to go into some caves to do it. Talk about heroism. Deserves to be documented in detail.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 27, 2023 08:50 PM (OTzUX)

210 205 I understand your point completely, but as far as I can tell from watching hundreds of LE bodycam videos, that it the law as it stands and is applied. If Tyre was trying to die as a revolutionary overthrowing tyranny, I am unaware of his intentions.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 08:51 PM (24fqN)

211 206 "People need some measure of virtue to do great evil. Collect all vices and you become pretty powerless. But diligence, pride, and patience? Now that's a scary villain."

Some are really hard to pin down on the good/bad scale. Julius Caesar was pretty hardcore, but not excessively for his culture and time. And he accomplished amazingly great things, both good and questionable. He redesigned the calendar into pretty much what we have today (including leap years) just as a side project in the middle of the other stuff he was doing.

Was Napoleon a monster or a hero? I mean... kinda both.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:49 PM (0hOvj)

Yeah Napoleon is definitely in that kind of both category. The thing always gets me about Julius Caesar is about how he flubbed the consolidation of power bit. Marching on the capital, curtailing their legal powers.... and then, letting them live?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:51 PM (eYoxG)

212 199 "Nichols cries out for his mama"

This is pretty common with people stressed by LE encounters. They mention mama, my baby, grandma just died, stuff like that. See it often on bodycam vids.
Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead---

(finds meth in pants he's wearing)
THEM AIN'T MY PANTS!
Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:45 PM
or 'I'm just breaking out all over with this rash' (claws at their skin). Yeah buddy, lay off the meth.

Posted by: Eromero at January 27, 2023 08:52 PM (0OP+5)

213 >>>Of course, if Nichols had just cooperated and gone into handcuffs without resisting, he'd almost certainly be completely unharmed.
Posted by: bonhomme
============

A strong man knows when to quit.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 08:52 PM (nDTNp)

214 Of course, if Nichols had just cooperated and gone into handcuffs without resisting, he'd almost certainly be completely unharmed.

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That's some white supremacy bullsh*t, yo

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 08:53 PM (ZLyax)

215 Of course, if Nichols had just cooperated and gone into handcuffs without resisting, he'd almost certainly be completely unharmed.

I mean, maybe? Too little info right now.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:54 PM (0hOvj)

216 Some are really hard to pin down on the good/bad scale. Julius Caesar was pretty hardcore, but not excessively for his culture and time. And he accomplished amazingly great things, both good and questionable. He redesigned the calendar into pretty much what we have today (including leap years) just as a side project in the middle of the other stuff he was doing.

Was Napoleon a monster or a hero? I mean... kinda both.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 08:49 PM (0hOvj)

Napoleon designed the legal system that France still mostly uses. And the people he disturbed on his climb to the top were themselves monsters - the Revolution and Terror. He produced a more upwardly mobile system in the army and probably everywhere else rather than the stagnant aristocracy. This gave him the ability to turn Europe on its ear, but in his defense England and the other major powers of Europe were determined on it being him or them. For 20 years it was them.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 08:56 PM (eoQWY)

217 205 You have no right to resist lawful arrest. You have no right to refuse to exit your car if ordered by LE. Violently resisting arrest is dangerous but most of all futile. You have no right to a 'fair fight' with LE.

Got to hammer this over and over and over until they internalize it.
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The entire point of the second amendment is that there are times when it is necessary to use force to resist alleged authorities.

The wokesters, I'm sure, will be more than happy to broadcast your message when they're sure that their control is complete.
Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 08:48 PM (kOpft)

He is likely speaking of legal rights. And the consequent practical implications.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:56 PM (eYoxG)

218 >> Posted by: Wesley Crusher,

Shut up, Wesley! You big dummy.

Posted by: Capt. Fred G. Picard at January 27, 2023 08:57 PM (Mzdiz)

219 The America's Got Talent video must be in reverse lol

Posted by: 496 at January 27, 2023 08:59 PM (HRb6k)

220 Ha, ha.

I'm just watching a Cheers and Cosmo Kramer is the guest star!

"Sam has to find a woman named Jacqueline Bisset and marry her so that he can win a bet he made when he was off the wagon and keep the bar."

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 09:00 PM (Vwz3I)

221 pretty sure that someone like Fairbairn would have considered something like a telescoping baton as a killing weapon with a good skull hit.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:01 PM (XzIdt)

222 Yeah Napoleon is definitely in that kind of both category. The thing always gets me about Julius Caesar is about how he flubbed the consolidation of power bit. Marching on the capital, curtailing their legal powers.... and then, letting them live?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:51 PM (eYoxG)

If I had to guess, Caesar was unique. You look at his life and he almost seemed to warp reality around him (Constantine is another example of this.) I think he believed that he could win over his enemies. Or maybe not. He is strange. Or maybe he believed since he was so much smarter and had a better handle on people than everyone else, that he would see an assassination coming from a mile off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (zZu0s)

223 A quote Amazing Polly found, from Theodore Dalrymple.

"In my studies of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and the less it corresponded to reality, the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are told obvious lies, or even worse whey they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. ..."

climate change, Russian collusion, wear the mask, men can declare they are women and Supreme Court justices agree ... we are far down that path.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (Cus5s)

224 149, funny how that works, innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (XzIdt)

225 I've been on a Babymetal kick again lately (they have a new album out) and something that strikes me when I see their videos beyond "awww how cute" and "wow this is amazing production values" is how comfortably and unapologetically female the girls are. They are always in cute dresses and outfits they act feminine and cute.

I mean its pretty much Japanese culture: kawaii. But I mean, its so fresh and welcome to see girls being not just girls but eager to be girls and totally into it. Why do girls have to get to this age where they either decide to dress like raging sluts or a mental patient? I get it, mom made you wear a cute dress and a bow in your hair but... why give up on that? What's wrong with being a cute girl?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (0hOvj)

226 217 I think points 1, 2, and 4 are de jure with supporting SCOTUS decisions, but I can't give you cites. Point 3 is obvious to everybody except millions of blacks, I guess.

There's the Constitution, and then there is the law as it is administered. There are people who want to overthrow tyrants, and there are people who get themselves killed (and throw the nation into fiery chaos) because they don't know those four points, either from sheer stupidity, superstition, gaslighting, or they have a fundamental inability to control themselves. Their behavior does terrible damage to the USA, to our culture, and to our willingness to face hard truths.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 09:04 PM (24fqN)

227 I understand your point completely, but as far as I can tell from watching hundreds of LE bodycam videos, that it the law as it stands and is applied. If Tyre was trying to die as a revolutionary overthrowing tyranny, I am unaware of his intentions.
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Well, we'll always be unaware of his intentions, since the state's mercenaries beat him to death.

The question is whether he had reason to trust that he'd be safe in their custody. After the fact, we know he wasn't.

The God-given Right to self defense applies in any situation your wellbeing is threatened, by any party. Laws may recognize this or fail to, but that's the bottom line truth. He didn't need to have a plan to overthrow the government to decide surrender was unsafe.

If the state wishes easy surrenders to its personnel, then it bears the burden of proving such a decision is safe. I wish we lived in such a country.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 09:04 PM (kOpft)

228 The thing always gets me about Julius Caesar is about how he flubbed the consolidation of power bit. Marching on the capital, curtailing their legal powers.... and then, letting them live?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:51 PM (eYoxG)

Julius came of age when his uncle Marius then Sulla were running duelling purges in his front yard. Marius chained him with a priesthood that Sulla freed him from because he hated Marius. His clemency policy stems from that, and he wanted the government to remain a going concern. Contrast this to when a shipload of raw recruits went aground and was captured by the "Good" side they put 900 of them to death.

Caesar's tragic flaw is that he didn't want to be an autocrat, just an aristocrat who was better than everyone else: "First Man of Rome". He wanted to use that to repair and expand Rome and everyone around him was trying to pull him down. I think by the end he was almost tired of trying, with most of his generation dead and gone. When they pulled him down he let them.

His heir, though held grudges and made sure to get even with all of them.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:05 PM (eoQWY)

229 222 Yeah Napoleon is definitely in that kind of both category. The thing always gets me about Julius Caesar is about how he flubbed the consolidation of power bit. Marching on the capital, curtailing their legal powers.... and then, letting them live?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:51 PM (eYoxG)

If I had to guess, Caesar was unique. You look at his life and he almost seemed to warp reality around him (Constantine is another example of this.) I think he believed that he could win over his enemies. Or maybe not. He is strange. Or maybe he believed since he was so much smarter and had a better handle on people than everyone else, that he would see an assassination coming from a mile off.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (zZu0s)

I almost inclined to attribute it to his love of tradition or what could be called Roman ways. His remaining Pontifex Maximus and all the roleplaying he did with it is kind of unusual. It sounds like a dumb reason, and probably is, but people often do stupid things for dumb reasons.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:06 PM (eYoxG)

230 I mean its pretty much Japanese culture: kawaii. But I mean, its so fresh and welcome to see girls being not just girls but eager to be girls and totally into it. Why do girls have to get to this age where they either decide to dress like raging sluts or a mental patient? I get it, mom made you wear a cute dress and a bow in your hair but... why give up on that? What's wrong with being a cute girl?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (0hOvj)

Feminists hate men, but they hate women more. I've know that since they first vomited out in the 70s.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:06 PM (eoQWY)

231 The Seattle press is actively goading people into violent protests.

Disgusting.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 27, 2023 09:07 PM (U2p+3)

232 Julius came of age when his uncle Marius then Sulla were running duelling purges in his front yard. Marius chained him with a priesthood that Sulla freed him from because he hated Marius. His clemency policy stems from that, and he wanted the government to remain a going concern. Contrast this to when a shipload of raw recruits went aground and was captured by the "Good" side they put 900 of them to death.

Caesar's tragic flaw is that he didn't want to be an autocrat, just an aristocrat who was better than everyone else: "First Man of Rome". He wanted to use that to repair and expand Rome and everyone around him was trying to pull him down. I think by the end he was almost tired of trying, with most of his generation dead and gone. When they pulled him down he let them.

His heir, though held grudges and made sure to get even with all of them.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:05 PM (eoQWY)

A warning against half-measures and only the tip to be sure! Can't be a little bit pregnant or a little bit emperor.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:07 PM (eYoxG)

233 I almost inclined to attribute it to his love of tradition or what could be called Roman ways. His remaining Pontifex Maximus and all the roleplaying he did with it is kind of unusual. It sounds like a dumb reason, and probably is, but people often do stupid things for dumb reasons.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:06 PM (eYoxG)

He wasn't playing. He was the high priest of Roman Religion and was damn good at it. Caesar never played at anything. He was the best speaker, lawmaker, general, seducer of his enemies wives, you name it he did it.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:08 PM (eoQWY)

234 227 see 226

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 09:08 PM (24fqN)

235 Feminists hate men, but they hate women more.

Its true that women claim to dress for men, but most dress to avoid being mocked by other women. To fit in and feel like they are not strange or unliked. Then the moment they walk away the other women all make fun of them anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:09 PM (0hOvj)

236 233 I almost inclined to attribute it to his love of tradition or what could be called Roman ways. His remaining Pontifex Maximus and all the roleplaying he did with it is kind of unusual. It sounds like a dumb reason, and probably is, but people often do stupid things for dumb reasons.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:06 PM (eYoxG)

He wasn't playing. He was the high priest of Roman Religion and was damn good at it. Caesar never played at anything. He was the best speaker, lawmaker, general, seducer of his enemies wives, you name it he did it.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:08 PM (eoQWY)

He can have someone else do the job. Remaining high priest is clearly an abnormal attachment for an emperor. I consider generally if a dictator has assumed power and continues to act in some prior role, they're acting abnormally.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:10 PM (eYoxG)

237
Re the Julian calendar. Something I didn't know that I read just the other day. The priests originally messed up the leap year calculation, and were adding a leap day every 3 years not four. It was a type of off-by-one error they made, something like this, Year 1 = leap, 2, 3. 4 start over at 1, leap, 2, 3.

They added 3 more leap days before the error was discoverd. Augustus then decreed there would be 12 yrs without leap days to get it back in sync.

The problem is the exact dates they did this aren't known exactly. It was somewhere centered around 1AD. So around that period, there is uncertainty in exact dates.

Posted by: Capt. Fred G. Picard at January 27, 2023 09:10 PM (Mzdiz)

238 Yeah, obviously it's one guy and his legs aren't where you think they are and one body and one set of legs are just puppet-legs... but I still can't figure out what is going on here. Every time I think I know where his real legs are, something weird happens and then the real legs look like puppet legs too.

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The male dancer's legs are his real legs, his hands are in the yellow boots.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at January 27, 2023 09:11 PM (iWt73)

239 So far it looks peaceful, please God keep it that way.

Chicago police scanner feeds look defunct due to recent encryption policy.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at January 27, 2023 09:11 PM (24fqN)

240 He was the best speaker, lawmaker, general, seducer of his enemies wives, you name it he did it.

Yeah, he kept being faced with the impossible and doing it anyway. Its kind of like Bill Burr's bit on Arnold Schwarzenegger being in the zone 20 years.

"I'm gonna marry a Kennedy"
"There's no f***ing way you can marry a Kennedy!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:11 PM (0hOvj)

241 Iow his remaining high priest without a very good practical reason demonstrates attachment, which I would posit is to Roman tradition.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:11 PM (eYoxG)

242 spot-on, illiniwek

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:11 PM (XzIdt)

243 f I had to guess, Caesar was unique. You look at his life and he almost seemed to warp reality around him (Constantine is another example of this.) I think he believed that he could win over his enemies. Or maybe not. He is strange. Or maybe he believed since he was so much smarter and had a better handle on people than everyone else, that he would see an assassination coming from a mile off.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (zZu0s)

I don't think he wanted to get them to agree per se, he wanted them to be a real 'loyal opposition'. He wanted effective people all around him but was often stymied by protoges failing when he gave them a job leaving him to clean up. He knew there was more work to do than even he could do alone. He always used subordinates (Labienus, Cicero's brother, Crassus' son) in major independent commands in the Gallic Wars.
He did believe in his 'Luck' but my guess at his pysche at the time of the assassination is that he knew about it, but didn't much care either way. He was only a day or so from going off where none of it would matter to fight the Parthians.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:14 PM (eoQWY)

244 Must be circus-folk.

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Damn, I was expecting that to be set to the African Funeral meme music.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 09:14 PM (bCmVL)

245 I heard it described: Caesar just seemed to be playing a different game than everyone else. He made everyone look like children.

He obviously saw things differently from most people.

Like I said, Pompey was considered the best general of his era- until Pharsalus. He had EVERY advantage in that battle. He outnumbered Caesar by 2-3 to 1. Had better cavalry. Was well supplied. He had even punctured Caesar's cloak of invulnerability by beating him at... some place in greece that I cannot remember the name of right now. Then at Pharsalus they threw down and Pompey got wrecked.

Which is another case of Caesar seemingly bending reality to his will (or just being a combination of clever and uncommonly lucky.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:15 PM (zZu0s)

246 methos@227 - yeah, exactly right!
*types; deletes*
*redacted*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:15 PM (XzIdt)

247 He did believe in his 'Luck' but my guess at his pysche at the time of the assassination is that he knew about it, but didn't much care either way. He was only a day or so from going off where none of it would matter to fight the Parthians.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:14 PM (eoQWY)

How would you argue his lack of effective succession planning and the following civil war? Typically that indicates a lack of expected demise, otherwise it's a rather poorly done job.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:16 PM (eYoxG)

248 He can have someone else do the job. Remaining high priest is clearly an abnormal attachment for an emperor. I consider generally if a dictator has assumed power and continues to act in some prior role, they're acting abnormally.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:10 PM (eYoxG)

no, that wasn't how it worked. He was elected for life. That's a binding contract with the Gods. The one before him was off in Spain fighting Sertorius. There were others that could do day-to-day ceremonials, like consuls and the college of priests. But he was the boss.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:16 PM (eoQWY)

249 245 I heard it described: Caesar just seemed to be playing a different game than everyone else. He made everyone look like children.

He obviously saw things differently from most people.

Like I said, Pompey was considered the best general of his era- until Pharsalus. He had EVERY advantage in that battle. He outnumbered Caesar by 2-3 to 1. Had better cavalry. Was well supplied. He had even punctured Caesar's cloak of invulnerability by beating him at... some place in greece that I cannot remember the name of right now. Then at Pharsalus they threw down and Pompey got wrecked.

Which is another case of Caesar seemingly bending reality to his will (or just being a combination of clever and uncommonly lucky.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:15 PM (zZu0s)

Which is part of why I say Julius Caesar is greater than Alexander.

Given Alexander's position, there are many I could see accomplishing what he did(and might make a decent go of it myself), and his father established the position to begin with.

Caesar is at a level where I say "how the fuck did he do that?'

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:17 PM (eYoxG)

250 He did believe in his 'Luck' but my guess at his pysche at the time of the assassination is that he knew about it, but didn't much care either way. He was only a day or so from going off where none of it would matter to fight the Parthians.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:14 PM (eoQWY)

The hilarious thing about that is that his enemies BELIEVED he could literally conquer everything he had planned (IE- the entire known world.) That is why they had to move before he left.

I cannot say they are wrong. Who could stop him, given his track record in the field?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:18 PM (zZu0s)

251 248 He can have someone else do the job. Remaining high priest is clearly an abnormal attachment for an emperor. I consider generally if a dictator has assumed power and continues to act in some prior role, they're acting abnormally.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:10 PM (eYoxG)

no, that wasn't how it worked. He was elected for life. That's a binding contract with the Gods. The one before him was off in Spain fighting Sertorius. There were others that could do day-to-day ceremonials, like consuls and the college of priests. But he was the boss.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:16 PM (eoQWY)

He remained very tightly involved when a pro forma approach would have sufficed. Even your defense of something impractical on the basis of the law(who is not above the law if not Caesar?) points to a deference towards tradition.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:18 PM (eYoxG)

252 I cannot say they are wrong. Who could stop him, given his track record in the field?

Probably the Parthians, if anyone could, but given his ridiculously good record and insanely capable and loyal troops I'd still give him the edge.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:19 PM (0hOvj)

253 The Seattle press is actively goading people into violent protests.

Disgusting.
Posted by: nurse ratched

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Did you hear the Memphis police chief's statement about her staff and city?

https://tinyurl.com/2ovys87j

She's instigating for riots in her public interviews.

"You're going to see acts that defy humanity..."

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 09:19 PM (ZLyax)

254 Caesar is at a level where I say "how the fuck did he do that?'
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:17 PM (eYoxG)

It is one of those things where it is hard to compare generals from radically different eras, but I would have to agree that he is one or two.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:19 PM (zZu0s)

255 done marched alla way thoo the institutions, amirite or wtf ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:21 PM (XzIdt)

256 two things I'm wondering with memphis:
since there is no racial angle, is there an element of "disrespected" culture here from the cops' reaction?
and since there is no racial angle, is this the incident chosen to really go wild on "eliminate cops"?

Posted by: barbarausa at January 27, 2023 09:21 PM (uAuXI)

257 Of course it's all real, it is on the internets!!

Posted by: Flyover at January 27, 2023 09:21 PM (Rbu5d)

258 hahahaha, I just realized we're *this* close to Black People Month.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 09:21 PM (ZLyax)

259 254 Caesar is at a level where I say "how the fuck did he do that?'
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:17 PM (eYoxG)

It is one of those things where it is hard to compare generals from radically different eras, but I would have to agree that he is one or two.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:19 PM (zZu0s)

Generally the way I see competence is the less possible it is to evaluate and understand how a thing was done, the higher level the subject of evaluation. So a guy who performs at a level I can follow is worse than one that performs at a level I can't.

I mean it's possible Caesar was just gambling and incredibly lucky, but it seems more logical to me to attribute my lack of comprehension to a larger difference in capability.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:22 PM (eYoxG)

260 and since there is no racial angle, is this the incident chosen to really go wild on "eliminate cops"?
Posted by: barbarausa at January 27, 2023 09:21 PM (uAuX

Not eliminate cops- federalize them. A true State Police force that the dems control.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:22 PM (zZu0s)

261 There are ancient Chinese generals such as Bai Qi who might theoretically be competitors but are impossible to evaluate due to lack of information.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:23 PM (eYoxG)

262 222 Yeah Napoleon is definitely in that kind of both category. The thing always gets me about Julius Caesar is about how he flubbed the consolidation of power bit. Marching on the capital, curtailing their legal powers.... and then, letting them live?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 08:51 PM (eYoxG)

If I had to guess, Caesar was unique. You look at his life and he almost seemed to warp reality around him (Constantine is another example of this.) I think he believed that he could win over his enemies. Or maybe not. He is strange. Or maybe he believed since he was so much smarter and had a better handle on people than everyone else, that he would see an assassination coming from a mile off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:02 PM (zZu0s)


Einstein, Archimedes, Caesar, Alexander the
Great, Napoleon, Newton, and other acknowledged greats were/are in the top 0.001 percentile in their field. There will always be people in that ultimate percentile of intelligence, engineering insight, strategy and tactics, physics, and so on. The Manhattan Project had the greatest collection of them, ever, IMHO.

Posted by: Gref at January 27, 2023 09:23 PM (AMIL/)

263 Not eliminate cops- federalize them. A true State Police force that the dems control.
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Yep. I think this is the end game, too.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 09:23 PM (ZLyax)

264 227 see 226

It wasn't relevant.

If you believe your life is in danger, you're going to do what you feel is necessary to change that, and you are absolutely right to do so.

If your knowledge of the cops in your area lead you to believe that surrendering to them is a safe act and you know there will be a fair process to address the underlying situation, then it makes sense to surrender.

If you don't believe either of those things, then you can attempt to flee as the victim apparently did. Or if you have some form of force available, you can try that (he apparently didn't).

But you're not under any obligation to lie down and die, if you think that's even a remotely possible outcome, out of some sense that to do otherwise 'damages the country,' as it that case, you don't believe the country is defending your rights, and it and its laws are therefore illegitimate.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 09:24 PM (kOpft)

265 He had even punctured Caesar's cloak of invulnerability by beating him at... some place in greece that I cannot remember the name of right now. Then at Pharsalus they threw down and Pompey got wrecked.

Which is another case of Caesar seemingly bending reality to his will (or just being a combination of clever and uncommonly lucky.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:15 PM (zZu0s)

Dyrrachium. He was trying to surround an army larger than his, better supplied and his, on a waterfront with Naval superiority. Almost worked.

Lots of guys reading the Commentaries at Rome figured they could do nearly as well if they had a chance. Pompey did too, though he was far better than everyone else as a general. Then in the first 10 minutes of the battle he found out that Caesar had planned for every trick he had in reserve and countered them all.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:24 PM (eoQWY)

266 That Superman stunt is how Jeremy Renner wound up in the hospital.

Posted by: Half Dozen at January 27, 2023 09:25 PM (vShDC)

267 federalize, affirm.

& g'night everyone ...

Winter Field Day tomorrow ! (wish me luck ...)

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:25 PM (XzIdt)

268 I mean it's possible Caesar was just gambling and incredibly lucky, but it seems more logical to me to attribute my lack of comprehension to a larger difference in capability.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:22 PM (eYoxG)

I am trying to think of who I would put in the list of TRUE greats.

Alexander
Caesar
Hannibal
Scipio (maybe, with reservations)
Napoleon
Lee


I am probably leaving off a lot of medieval guys because that is where my historical knowledge is weakest.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (zZu0s)

269 I mean it's possible Caesar was just gambling and incredibly lucky, but it seems more logical to me to attribute my lack of comprehension to a larger difference in capability.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:22 PM (eYoxG)

The classic assumption that, just because it worked, means it works. Because luck simply doesn't happen. Life isn't random.

Hence why we wasted time in WW-II on tank destroyers with light armor and turrets. Because we need a weapon to stop the German march to Dunkirk.

Which they never did again. It was luck, as much as anything else.

Do you play Poker ? Do you have deep pockets ?

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (U93OM)

270 "But you're not under any obligation to lie down and die, if you think that's even a remotely possible outcome, out of some sense that to do otherwise 'damages the country,' as it that case, you don't believe the country is defending your rights, and it and its laws are therefore illegitimate.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 09:24 PM (kOpft) "

THIS!

& now rly g'night

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (XzIdt)

271 He remained very tightly involved when a pro forma approach would have sufficed. Even your defense of something impractical on the basis of the law(who is not above the law if not Caesar?) points to a deference towards tradition.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:18 PM (eYoxG)

Of course he believed in Roman Tradition. He was a Patrician of the oldest Family, descended from a Goddess. He was the most aristocratic person alive and a populist hero at the same time.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (eoQWY)

272 Someone who wasn't resisting arrest, fleeing:

Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Here is Officer Lila Morris badge number 5869 beating Roseanne Boyland to death

https://tinyurl.com/2yjajf9x [video]

||A Forensics Video Analyst from “The People’s January 6th Commission” methodically put together video evidence that Morris is allegedly the officer seen beating Boyland a number of times to the body and the head with a stick. Interestingly, the original body-cam footage he found of Boyland being beaten was hidden in plain sight. The Department of Justice & FBI gave this body-cam video to mainstream media who continued to use it to paint their narrative. MSNBC and CNN had both played the footage repeatedly to illustrate Capitol violence and paint the picture of an “insurrection.” This is a glaring example of how negligent and irresponsible some mainstream media are to miss something like this in the videos they play for the American People and around the world.||

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (Vwz3I)

273 A true State Police force that the dems control.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

So. NATO Blue Helmet target feds?

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 09:28 PM (3CCua)

274 Oh man, that's hilarious. NY Times

Mr. Nichols’s traumatic death has shocked Memphis, and forced the capital of the old Southern Cotton Belt to reckon with a nightmare scenario that does not fit neatly into most narratives of racist violence: all five of the officers, who have been fired and indicted for crimes including second-degree murder, are Black. So is the Memphis police chief, Cerelyn J. Davis, who this week called the officers’ actions “heinous, reckless and inhumane.”

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I love that it's lost on them that it might be the most perfect example of all the problems all at once that we've ever had.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 27, 2023 09:28 PM (ZLyax)

275 A sperm donor, Carpenter, and Julius Caesar walked into a bar
... He came, he saw, he conquered

Posted by: Diogenes at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (anj39)

276 I am trying to think of who I would put in the list of TRUE greats.

Alexander
Caesar
Hannibal
Scipio (maybe, with reservations)
Napoleon
Lee

Tactics ? Or Logistics ? Or that crazy mix that's real politics ?

Lee was excellent, at tactics. With no comprehension of how to win War as Politics. Hence why he went on the offensive.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (U93OM)

277 Not eliminate cops- federalize them. A true State Police force that the dems control.
-
So the FBI, but more numerous.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (kOpft)

278 271 He remained very tightly involved when a pro forma approach would have sufficed. Even your defense of something impractical on the basis of the law(who is not above the law if not Caesar?) points to a deference towards tradition.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:18 PM (eYoxG)

Of course he believed in Roman Tradition. He was a Patrician of the oldest Family, descended from a Goddess. He was the most aristocratic person alive and a populist hero at the same time.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (eoQWY)

Yeah. And my original argument is that, to all appearances Caesar loved roman tradition. Which is a plausible explanation, if a dumb one, for not doing a proper purge. The other explanation would be that he didn't grasp the wisdom in doing so.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (eYoxG)

279 Tactics ? Or Logistics ? Or that crazy mix that's real politics ?

Lee was excellent, at tactics. With no comprehension of how to win War as Politics. Hence why he went on the offensive.
Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (U93OM)

I am more trying to describe by listing names people who seemed to be playing a different game... who could 'feel' the battle. Lee goes on the list for Chancellorsville if nothing else.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:33 PM (zZu0s)

280 I am trying to think of who I would put in the list of TRUE greats.

Alexander
Caesar
Hannibal
Scipio (maybe, with reservations)
Napoleon
Lee


I am probably leaving off a lot of medieval guys because that is where my historical knowledge is weakest.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:27 PM (zZu0s)

I'm curious as to why you'd include Hannibal certainly but Scipio with less certainty. Scipio was largely operating from the inferior position since entering the war.

And Grant vs Lee obviously comes to mind. Grant may be less skilled in some areas but is more skilled in others.

Hannibal's brilliance as a diplomat comes to mind as an unusual but relevant skill.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:34 PM (eYoxG)

281 Tokyo is one weird (in a good way) place. Saw a police chase and a fight spill out of a bar. Tokyo Metro is not for the faint of heart. (It's not dangerous; it's like an 8th level spell in original AD&D - it could be made even more difficult to master, but not much more.) However, I had the most fun in Osaka. Found a bar run by an American expat Deadhead. He was cool and that was a lot of fun.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 27, 2023 09:34 PM (KAi1n)

282 But what Lee displayed at Chancellorsville and Napoleon at Austerlitz, or Hannibal was for 10-15 years, Caesar or Alexander were like that nearly their entire lives.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:35 PM (zZu0s)

283 hadn't thought of fed, but it fits. yikes

Posted by: barbarausa at January 27, 2023 09:35 PM (uAuXI)

284 I am more trying to describe by listing names people who seemed to be playing a different game... who could 'feel' the battle. Lee goes on the list for Chancellorsville if nothing else.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:33 PM (zZu0s)

Cavalry commanders tend to demonstrate that the most. Feeling a battle and striking at the right moment using mobility as the advantage.

It's one of the more commonly observed skills among renowned generals though.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:35 PM (eYoxG)

285 Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (U93OM)

Joe XII Bar?

Posted by: BignJames at January 27, 2023 09:36 PM (AwYPR)

286 "That monorail coaster looks like fun.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory "

It's got a weird squeak.
Posted by: fd at January 27, 2023 07:54 PM (iayUP)

---------

Wifey says she thinks there was a monkey on their shoulders or in their lap.

I think it was a kid -- or maybe a young woman -- squealing.

Anyway, looked like a blast!

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 09:36 PM (bCmVL)

287 Lee goes on the list for Chancellorsville if nothing else.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:33 PM (zZu0s)

I'd say fair. But then lets be fair. Only Lee could march his army between the Union and DC ... and decide to fight right there.

Lee was Rommel.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:36 PM (U93OM)

288 Hannibal's brilliance as a diplomat comes to mind as an unusual but relevant skill.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:34 PM (eYoxG)

Scipio is an odd one. Taking New Carthage is just nuts. Or the destruction of the one army in the night action in North Africa. I probably should take off the reservations, now that I think of it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:36 PM (zZu0s)

289 276 I am trying to think of who I would put in the list of TRUE greats.

Alexander
Caesar
Hannibal
Scipio (maybe, with reservations)
Napoleon
Lee

Tactics ? Or Logistics ? Or that crazy mix that's real politics ?

Lee was excellent, at tactics. With no comprehension of how to win War as Politics. Hence why he went on the offensive.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:29 PM (U93OM)


Lee was excellent at what the Germans called "the "operational art." A level between tactics and strategy. The US Army has been teaching and training "operations" since the late '70s. It's an idea that's difficult to define in simple terms. Guderian, Rommel, a few other generals, and a horde of talented colonels that leaned from them and fought in 1944 in the East and West were the all-time experts. IMHO.

Posted by: Gref at January 27, 2023 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

290 282 But what Lee displayed at Chancellorsville and Napoleon at Austerlitz, or Hannibal was for 10-15 years, Caesar or Alexander were like that nearly their entire lives.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:35 PM (zZu0s)

Alexander had the best forces, not the most formidable foes oftentimes, and the smarts to push faster than his enemies could regroup and raise a new army. But if his genius is comparable, the battles he faced weren't elaborate or difficult enough to show it. They're usually doable at a mild disadvantage or favored towards him.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:37 PM (eYoxG)

291 Caesar is at a level where I say "how the fuck did he do that?'

Alexander did that routinely in battles. I mean he charged a defensive line, across a river, outnumbered and with exhausted troops and still won. He kept winning unwinnable impossible battles right up until he died.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:38 PM (0hOvj)

292 Cavalry commanders tend to demonstrate that the most. Feeling a battle and striking at the right moment using mobility as the advantage.

It's one of the more commonly observed skills among renowned generals though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:35 PM (eYoxG)

'Speed is life.'
-Napoleon

Shit, I forgot Forrest.

What say you guys to Patton, Rommel and Mannstein?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:39 PM (zZu0s)

293 If we're talking purely operations, without any view to Grand Strategy - above their heads - or pure tactics - below their heads ?

Terry de la Mesa Allen. One of the best war-fighters the United States has ever produced.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:39 PM (U93OM)

294 Ashli and Roseann
they were murdered in cold blood
they will be avenged.

Posted by: Eromero at January 27, 2023 09:39 PM (0OP+5)

295 Hannibal was an unbelievably great general. But does Spartacus belong up there? I mean he had a ton of troops but they were mostly untrained and poorly armed rabble but he almost took Rome.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:40 PM (0hOvj)

296 291 "Caesar is at a level where I say "how the fuck did he do that?'"

Alexander did that routinely in battles. I mean he charged a defensive line, across a river, outnumbered and with exhausted troops and still won. He kept winning unwinnable impossible battles right up until he died.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:38 PM (0hOvj)

He invented the cavalry charge for that time. Which is impressive in itself, but it's such a powerful tactic when people are unfamiliar that it trivializes things. He then followed up by winning the overall war so quickly the enemy can't adapt.

There's an analogy when Takeda brings it to Japan, people just don't know how to handle it and it rolls very hard.

You can take his battles to others and they'd also figure them out, they're not the most complicated.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:41 PM (eYoxG)

297 I am trying to think of who I would put in the list of TRUE greats.

Alexander
Caesar
Hannibal
Scipio (maybe, with reservations)
Napoleon
Lee

Tactics ? Or Logistics ? Or that crazy mix that's real politics ?
***

I'm thinking Guderian.
O. P. Smith (MacArthur screwed him over)
Maybe Vandegrift
Maybe Schwarzkopf

Posted by: Diogenes at January 27, 2023 09:41 PM (anj39)

298 I'd say fair. But then lets be fair. Only Lee could march his army between the Union and DC ... and decide to fight right there.

Lee was Rommel.
Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:36 PM (U93OM)

That's why I should probably class my list.

Alexander
Caesar

Hannibal
Scipio

Napoleon
Lee
Patton
Mannstein
Rommel

Maybe?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:42 PM (zZu0s)

299 Guderian, Rommel, a few other generals, and a horde of talented colonels that leaned from them and fought in 1944 in the East and West were the all-time experts. IMHO.

When talking Operations ... I'd take Rommel off that list immediately. Rommel was a tactician. Rommel could not obey simple commands - hold a port in North Africa. Rommel was not an Operational commander at all. Rommel took a loss to Montgomery - simply for over-extending to a position where Monty could win by attrition.

Rommel was not an Operational Art of War guy at all. Neither was Lee.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:43 PM (U93OM)

300 Alexander didn't so much outsmart or outthink his enemies as roll them with superior troop composition and capabilities.

While innovating the cavalry charge is impressive, since he's so repetitive it's hard to evaluate him beyond being a good cavalry commander in an age where cavalry charges were new.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:43 PM (eYoxG)

301 295 Hannibal was an unbelievably great general. But does Spartacus belong up there? I mean he had a ton of troops but they were mostly untrained and poorly armed rabble but he almost took Rome.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:40 PM (0hOvj)

Spartacus is off the list for not taking the out and getting his entire people killed. All he had to do was keep going north. That is all he had to do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:44 PM (zZu0s)

302 Pizzaro's capture of the Sapa Inca is another example of unfamiliarity leading to lopsided and seemingly miraculous results. It doesn't necessarily point to brilliance as a general.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (eYoxG)

303 Does Rommel really belong up there? I know he did some really spectacular stuff but I remember reading that he had great intel, like inside stuff on what his enemies were doing until the Americans arrived. And he seemed um, wasteful with his troops.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (0hOvj)

304 Napoleon was a mater of mastering the battlefield situation. It was said that he could anticipate where the enemy would go before his opposing number knew, and get his forces there first.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (Qzn2/)

305 Lincoln.

Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (7sitm)

306 Stoneman tore up a buncha' shit in these parts...he is remembered here if nowhere else.

Posted by: BignJames at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (AwYPR)

307 OK - depending on scope - we're talking great generals of all time ?

Are we talking innovation in TO&E ? Then Napoleon. He invented modern combat arms.

Are we talking 20th Century Warfare ? Erich von Manstein. Pure and simple.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:46 PM (U93OM)

308 302 Pizzaro's capture of the Sapa Inca is another example of unfamiliarity leading to lopsided and seemingly miraculous results. It doesn't necessarily point to brilliance as a general.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (eYoxG)

Ok, so Cortez? Just fortunate? Lucky in his enemy? Had radically different tech?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:46 PM (zZu0s)

309 304 Napoleon was a mater of mastering the battlefield situation. It was said that he could anticipate where the enemy would go before his opposing number knew, and get his forces there first.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (Qzn2/)

Which is in that area of uncanny foreknowledge that I think tends to separate some from the rest. Predicting the enemy and pre-empting him is above simply taking advantage of opportunities as they appear.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (eYoxG)

310 Rommel's rep was the product of public relations, mostly.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (Qzn2/)

311 293 If we're talking purely operations, without any view to Grand Strategy - above their heads - or pure tactics - below their heads ?

Terry de la Mesa Allen. One of the best war-fighters the United States has ever produced.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:39 PM (U93OM)


Most of the last dozen or so US infantry division sent to Europe did not perform well. Not Terry Allen's 104th Infantry Division, sent to Europe in August 1944. Allen trained them very well in the US and they did very well in combat.

Posted by: Gref at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (AMIL/)

312 Which is in that area of uncanny foreknowledge that I think tends to separate some from the rest. Predicting the enemy and pre-empting him is above simply taking advantage of opportunities as they appear.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (eYoxG)

I'd agree there. Playing a different game.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (zZu0s)

313 308 302 Pizzaro's capture of the Sapa Inca is another example of unfamiliarity leading to lopsided and seemingly miraculous results. It doesn't necessarily point to brilliance as a general.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:45 PM (eYoxG)

Ok, so Cortez? Just fortunate? Lucky in his enemy? Had radically different tech?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:46 PM (zZu0s)

Cortez had numbers behind him too with the rebelling natives. I'd say Pizzaro obviously was much luckier and incidental, but Cortez got pretty lucky in getting a ready made army.

It does take some level of competence to manage such a large force though. Enough generals were capable of leading such a large force that it isn't distinctive though.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (eYoxG)

314 Lincoln was the author of modern total war.

Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (7sitm)

315 Napoleon was an amazing general as well, even Waterloo was a very close thing and he was fighting like 5 armies at once.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:49 PM (0hOvj)

316 It does take some level of competence to manage such a large force though. Enough generals were capable of leading such a large force that it isn't distinctive though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (eYoxG)

So... you are saying Cortez is Ike?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:49 PM (zZu0s)

317 Napoleon was a true genius and polymath. He had an extraordinary level of intelligence.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 09:49 PM (Qzn2/)

318 314 Lincoln was the author of modern total war.
Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (7sitm)

Might say Sherman or Sheridan to be more exact.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:49 PM (zZu0s)

319 This gave him the ability to turn Europe on its ear, but in his defense England and the other major powers of Europe were determined on it being him or them. For 20 years it was them.
Posted by: Oldcat

Read the book "The Congress of Vienna". Defeating Napoleon resulted in the biggest party Europe's royalty has probably ever had.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 27, 2023 09:49 PM (KAi1n)

320 Yamamoto?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 27, 2023 09:50 PM (anj39)

321 And if you have Napoleon on there, can you leave off Wellesley? He really worked marvels on two continents.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:50 PM (0hOvj)

322 316 It does take some level of competence to manage such a large force though. Enough generals were capable of leading such a large force that it isn't distinctive though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (eYoxG)

So... you are saying Cortez is Ike?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:49 PM (zZu0s)

That sounds like a fair comparison at least skillset-wise. They're both integrating pretty disparate forces on a large scale.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:50 PM (eYoxG)

323 Most of the last dozen or so US infantry division sent to Europe did not perform well. Not Terry Allen's 104th Infantry Division, sent to Europe in August 1944. Allen trained them very well in the US and they did very well in combat.

Posted by: Gref at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (AMIL/)

He got demoted ... because he didn't get along with either Patton or Bradley. Terry de la Mesa Allen was the initial commander of the 1st Infantry Division. They marked dead infantry with a sticker with their logo. Higher command, including Patton, did not approve.

So he was relieved of command. Then given another Division to train, when shit got tight.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:51 PM (U93OM)

324 That sounds like a fair comparison at least skillset-wise. They're both integrating pretty disparate forces on a large scale.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:50 PM (eYoxG)

It just occurred to me. I like the comparison though. It is interesting if nothing else.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:51 PM (zZu0s)

325 What about small unit tactics.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 09:52 PM (3CCua)

326 Lincoln was the author of modern total war.

Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (7sitm)

Yes. He was the one that brought conscription to the United States. And a permanent tax. And Navy Ships shelling their own cities. And Federal Troops stopping a State Legislature (Maryland) from assembling.

Lincoln was a taller Stalin.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:53 PM (U93OM)

327 Are we talking 20th Century Warfare ? Erich von Manstein. Pure and simple.
Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:46 PM (U93OM)

Manstein, I need to study some more specifics of the eastern front in 1942 before he got locked down. It seems amazing. Scale wise, I am not sure it is matched in history.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:54 PM (zZu0s)

328 Quantrell
Geronimo
Any rando Yaqui Apache

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 09:55 PM (3CCua)

329 Manstein, I need to study some more specifics of the eastern front in 1942 before he got locked down. It seems amazing. Scale wise, I am not sure it is matched in history.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:54 PM (zZu0s)

------------

Mannstein failed in his attempt to relieve the Sixth Army at Stalingrad, but it was probably a fool's errand to begin with.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 09:56 PM (Qzn2/)

330 325 What about small unit tactics.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 09:52 PM (3CCua)

Stonewall or Forrest.

Small unit is stuff where the histories start to get jumbled and you do not know the names the further back you go.

Example... I think at Centenum(sp?) where the Romans faced off against Phillip. A roman ordered his maniples into the breach between the two wings of the Greek army that had opened up. It was crazy, but it shattered them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:56 PM (zZu0s)

331 Fingerspitzengefühl!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 27, 2023 09:57 PM (Dc2NZ)

332 Ok, I need a ruling. I always thought it was Mannstein, but the net is saying Manstein.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:57 PM (zZu0s)

333 Geronimo was really damned good but his work was all small squads and platoons, not armies so I don't know if he can be considered in the same category as generals.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 09:58 PM (0hOvj)

334 326 Lincoln was the author of modern total war.

Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 09:48 PM (7sitm)

Yes. He was the one that brought conscription to the United States. And a permanent tax. And Navy Ships shelling their own cities. And Federal Troops stopping a State Legislature (Maryland) from assembling.

Lincoln was a taller Stalin.
Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:53 PM (U93OM)

That comparison is ridiculous because it reduces the enormity of what Stalin did. Napoleon, both Caesars, Alexander and so on all meet some standards of tyranny. We don't equate them to Stalin or Hitler because duh.

Part of your bad habit of exaggerating anything you perceive as incorrect to tyranny. Not all infractions of a principle are equal.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 09:58 PM (eYoxG)

335
Example... I think at Centenum(sp?) where the Romans faced off against Phillip. A roman ordered his maniples into the breach between the two wings of the Greek army that had opened up. It was crazy, but it shattered them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

This is the really cool stuff of which many cups of coffee get argued over.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 09:58 PM (3CCua)

336 Manstein, I need to study some more specifics of the eastern front in 1942 before he got locked down. It seems amazing. Scale wise, I am not sure it is matched in history.

Manstein uses half-strength armored divisions ... in '43 ... to cut more than halfway to surrounding several armies at Kursk. Only the Allied landings at Italy make Hitler lose his nerve.

Probably wouldn't matter. But if Hitler doesn't shit his pants, Manstein puts the USSR on the back foot for the rest of the year. The Tiger was getting, routinely, 30-1 ratios at Kursk. Sometimes more.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 09:58 PM (U93OM)

337 Lincoln gave birth to the notion of total war. It would go on to the World Wars.

Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 09:58 PM (7sitm)

338 310 Rommel's rep was the product of public relations, mostly.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 09:47 PM (Qzn2/)


Ummm...

Posted by: Generals O'Connor, Auchinleck, Beresford-Peirsem, Creagh, Ritchie, and a few others at January 27, 2023 09:59 PM (AMIL/)

339
Yes. He was the one that brought conscription to the United States. And a permanent tax. And Navy Ships shelling their own cities. And Federal Troops stopping a State Legislature (Maryland) from assembling.

Lincoln was a taller Stalin.
Posted by: I-IV-V
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During the Civil War, he jailed as many as 2,000 political opponents without charges or trial. Sound familiar?

So far as 'Total war' goes. FDR used Lincoln as an example for his famous 'Unconditional Surrender' declaration, which resulted in untold thousands of more war dead.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 09:59 PM (3aqKC)

340 Geronimo was really damned good but his work was all small squads and platoons, not armies so I don't know if he can be considered in the same category as generals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

That's why I asked about small unit tactics. Prime example is LT Winter's assault on a prepared position (entrenched artillery piece).

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 10:00 PM (3CCua)

341 So far as 'Total war' goes. FDR used Lincoln as an example for his famous 'Unconditional Surrender' declaration, which resulted in untold thousands of more war dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 09:59 PM (3aqKC)

Shouldn't that be Grant?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 10:00 PM (eYoxG)

342 Great generals know a trap when they see one.

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at January 27, 2023 10:00 PM (SYTee)

343 "Manstein uses half-strength armored divisions ... in '43 ... to cut more than halfway to surrounding several armies at Kursk. Only the Allied landings at Italy make Hitler lose his nerve."

MOBILITY. That is the thing that he excelled at. Let's do a massive set piece battle where everyone knows where and when we are going to strike!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 10:00 PM (zZu0s)

344 310 Rommel's rep was the product of public relations, mostly.

Mostly. He did a good job in '40, as a divisional commander. And that was about it. Great tactics guy, though.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 10:00 PM (U93OM)

345 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at January 27, 2023 10:01 PM (Q/6pY)

346 Lincoln gave birth to the notion of total war. It would go on to the World Wars.
Posted by: JmT
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I'd like to hear why that is regarded as a good thing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 10:02 PM (6qpYX)

347 Nood for iPhone users.


https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=402931

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 27, 2023 10:02 PM (3CCua)

348 Spartacus is off the list for not taking the out and getting his entire people killed. All he had to do was keep going north. That is all he had to do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 09:44 PM (zZu0s)

Boudica had the same problem. She got so wrapped up in killing every single Roman and their allies that she got bogged down. I'm sure it *felt* great to massacre enemy civilians, but it made her fight into a lost cause.
I've often wondered if female generals would all have this problem, or if the fact she was avenging her daughters caused her to lose focus by being too close to the situation.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 27, 2023 10:03 PM (nC+QA)

349 >>Shouldn't that be Grant?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 10:00 PM (eYoxG)

Concur.

Posted by: ZOD at January 27, 2023 10:03 PM (Q/6pY)

350
Shouldn't that be Grant?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
-------
Fair, FDR referenced Grant, inaccurately, of course. But JmT is crediting Lincoln as embracing the idea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 10:03 PM (6qpYX)

351 350
Shouldn't that be Grant?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
-------
Fair, FDR referenced Grant, inaccurately, of course. But JmT is crediting Lincoln as embracing the idea.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 10:03 PM (6qpYX)

Total War and Unconditional Surrender are distinct and the former would not in most cases employ the latter. Honestly Unconditional Surrender is an odd demand in war.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 10:05 PM (eYoxG)

352 >>I'd like to hear why that is regarded as a good thing. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 27, 2023 10:02 PM (6qpYX)

ZOD demands total war.

The alternative is long, bloody, inconclusive, and makes for Hollywood autofellatio.

Posted by: ZOD at January 27, 2023 10:07 PM (Q/6pY)

353 Lincoln was a taller Stalin.
Posted by: I-IV-V
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During the Civil War, he jailed as many as 2,000 political opponents without charges or trial. Sound familiar?

They didn't build so many statues and monuments to him for nothing. Stalin got a shit pot of them.

Calvin Coolidge ? None.

Lincoln is most certainly on my Mount Rushmore of Presidential Pricks. Right next to FDR and Woodrow Wilson.

Ever think about why so many schools are named after FDR and Wilson ?

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 10:11 PM (U93OM)

354 Wifey says she thinks there was a monkey on their shoulders or in their lap.

I think it was a kid -- or maybe a young woman -- squealing.

Anyway, looked like a blast!
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 09:36 PM (bCmVL)

It was sped up. That raised the lady's voice to Helium frequencies

Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2023 10:12 PM (xhaym)

355 If its just small unit squad level leadership its hard to find someone better than any of the Apache leaders, particularly guys like Geronimo.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 10:15 PM (0hOvj)

356 If its just small unit squad level leadership its hard to find someone better than any of the Apache leaders, particularly guys like Geronimo.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 27, 2023 10:15 PM (0hOvj)

In modern history ? Otto Skorzeny for elite unites. A cat like Dick Winters for mixed conscripted / volunteer units like ours. Otto Skorzeny was a hard man to handle in his day.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 10:21 PM (U93OM)

357 Those boats...Real.
Crazy Aussies, and Kiwis ...it is a fairly major sport there. They are jet boats with yuuuuuge engines and the jet on a swivel. The wrecks are truly outrageous...think airborne, tree top high, at a hundred miles an hour across fields, through forests, into power lines, sometimes into the crowds.. No wilder than our homegrown drag strip and monster truck stuff, but "Entry level" costs, with a price point that even southern ocean Hillbillies can barn build a competitive machine....the balls to drive & navigate though are not something that can be purchased anywhere(Like rally car driving there is a steersman and a guy in the other seat yelling "Lft! Right!...Left, Left! No your other Left!")., They also run them up and down raging rivers, jumping logs, rocks, and even dry spots. We have snowmobiles here just as fast, though they have a better chance of a soft landing, tree impacts are still as bad though.

Posted by: birddog at January 27, 2023 10:35 PM (uAI4S)

358 Greatest American Washington Lincoln?

Posted by: JmT at January 27, 2023 10:37 PM (7sitm)

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