How New York Stopped Fearing the Urban Doom Loop and Learned to Love It

John Sexton has written about the "urban doom loop" which may kill all the blue cities.

Covid sends the high-wage workers back to their suburban homes, which kills the restaurant and retail and entertainment industries of the city, which is the entire point of even living in or near a city in the first place, and as those businesses die, people realize there is no reason remaining to be in the city, and begin a mass emigration away that kills the cities.

The Democrats' embrace of violence, crime, and chaos as acceptable substitutes for restaurants, shopping, and entertainment obviously isn't helping. Covid took away all the advantages for living in the city, and then the Summer of St. George unleashed all the disadvantages of living in the city, with a vengeance.

Even the New York Times worries about the "urban doom loop," when they're not doing their level best to accelerate it.

Scholars are increasingly voicing concern that the shift to working from home, spurred by the Covid pandemic, will bring the three-decade renaissance of major cities to a halt, setting off an era of urban decay. They cite an exodus of the affluent, a surge in vacant offices and storefronts, and the prospect of declining property taxes and public transit revenues.
Insofar as fear of urban crime grows, as the number of homeless people increases and as the fiscal ability of government to address these problems shrinks, the amenities of city life are very likely to diminish.

The prospect of an "urban doom loop" was discussed by economists in a paper called, "Work From Home and the Office Real Estate Apocalypse."

One of the authors explained that their paper...

...emphasizes the possibility of an "urban doom loop" by which decline of work in the center business district results in less foot traffic and consumption, which adversely affects the urban core in a variety of ways (less eyes on the street, so more crime; less consumption; less commuting) thereby lowering municipal revenues and also making it more challenging to provide public goods and services absent tax increases. These challenges will predominantly hit blue cities in the coming years.

New York City's real estate values have taken a real hit -- as have all the nation's cities' real estate values.

In their paper, the three authors "revalue the stock of New York City commercial office buildings taking into account pandemic-induced cash flow and discount rate effects. We find a 45 percent decline in office values in 2020 and 39 percent in the longer run, the latter representing a $453 billion value destruction."
Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the "total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run."

This will provoke a crisis in city's budgets, creating a fiscal doom loop: Everything in cities will cost more and more, and you'll get less and less in return.

For example, the share of real estate taxes in N.Y.C.'s budget was 53 percent in 2020, 24 percent of which comes from office and retail property taxes. Given budget balance requirements, the fiscal hole left by declining central business district office and retail tax revenues would need to be plugged by raising tax rates or cutting government spending.
Both would affect the attractiveness of the city as a place of residence and work. These dynamics risk activating a fiscal doom loop. With more people being able to separate the location of work and home, the migration elasticity to local tax rates and amenities may be larger than in the past.

So: Is that happening?

Why yes. Yes it is.

Nike is leaving anarchic, antifa-controlled Seattle. So is a Regal Cinema multiplex, located in the "CHOP" Autonomous Zone.

The reason? Too much crime, too many homeless skels shooting heroin and sh!tting in the streets all day. Shooting and sh!tting, shooting and sh!tting -- and Seattle applauds.

Seattle's morgues are meanwhile overflowing with dead bodies, due to fentanyl overdoses.

Due to the record number of fentanyl overdose deaths in King County, Washington, the medical examiner is running out of places to store the dead bodies.
Seattle-King County Public Health Director Dr. Faisal Khan said during a recent Board of Health meeting, "The Medical Examiner's Office is now struggling with the issue of storing bodies because the fentanyl-related death toll continues to climb. Obviously, they have finite space in the coolers they use and that space is now being exceeded on a regular basis."

DC Mayor Muriel Bowser is warning Biden that DC may be the next city to die. She's telling Biden to order the federal workforce back to their offices, because DC is a ghost-town and local businesses cannot survive without the expected foot-traffic of hundreds of thousands of people coming into their offices every day to work.

She may even support a Republican bill forcing federal workers back to work.

Part of that pretense involves keeping federal employees on remote work, even with 92% of the adult population now vaccinated against COVID-19. Even though it makes no sense to keep offices closed, Biden and his administration refuse to order a return to them. Heck, Kevin McCarthy only this week reversed the rule that allowed proxy voting in the House of Representatives for the last two sessions, a rule that Nancy Pelosi refused to reverse for no good reason other than providing an excuse for continued emergency rule.
If Biden and his team force employees back to work, then that ends their pretense of a continuing "emergency." It will undermine their arguments in court for the mandates that never should have been issued in the first place, and are simply absurd in 2023. It also creates a confrontation between the White House and its civil-service corps, a rather large group of voters concentrated in the DC-northern Virginia area that have become critical for Democrats in keeping Virginia blue, just in time for a presidential election.

And now New York City has decided to accelerate the de-peopling of the cities, by all but ending the selective school system, which was the one thing keeping the prosperous middle class located in New York, and paying to keep the city's lights on.

Last year, I noted that New York was threatening to destroy its magnet school program. Magnet schools are competitive schools where only higher-performing students are permitted in.

These are extremely important, because they're the only thing keeping high-income but not super-rich families in New York. The cost of private schools in New York ranges from expensive to so expensive that only actual multimillionaires can afford it.

So it's vital to have a functioning public school system in New York City. New York's main public school system is dysfunctional and terrible, but as long as the city kept its magnet schools open so that the propserous middle class had a free schooling option for their academically-gifted kids, it made living in New York with a family possible.

(Even if all of your kids couldn't get into a magnet school, it's still helpful to the family budget if you only have to, say, pay for expensive private schooling for one of your three kids.)

The left wanted to destroy the magnet school system, claiming it was "racist" because blacks and Hispanics were underrepresented in these competitive-entry schools.

I didn't think New York would really destroy the system. I thought they'd realize "We're about to tell the fat middle of our tax base, the prosperous upper-middle class, that they cannot raise families in New York, and should flee the city."

But they have.

And the prosperous middle class is now in fact fleeing.

Alex Shilkrut has deep roots in Manhattan, where he has lived for 16 years, works as a physician, and sends his daughter to a public elementary school for gifted students in coveted District 2.
It's a good life. But Shilkrut regretfully says he may leave the city, as well as a job he likes in a Manhattan hospital, because of sweeping changes in October that ended selective admissions in most New York City middle schools.
These merit-based schools, which screened for students who met their high standards, will permanently switch to a lottery for admissions that will almost certainly enroll more blacks and Latinos in the pursuit of racial integration.
Shilkrut is one of many parents who are dismayed by the city's dismantling of competitive education. He says he values diversity but is concerned that the expectation that academic rigor will be scaled back to accommodate a broad range of students in a lottery is what's driving him and other parents to seek alternatives.
Although it's too early to know how many students might leave the school system due to the enrollment changes, some parents say they may opt for private education at $50,000 a year and others plan to uproot their lives for the suburbs despite the burdens of such moves.

"We will very likely leave the public schools," says Shilkrut, adding that he knows 10 Manhattan families who also plan to depart. "And if these policies continue, there won't be many middle- and upper middle-class families left in the public schools."

Covid -- and I'm sure the Summer of St. Floyd -- accelerated this trend towards Harrison Bergeronism.

The retreat from selective middle schools in New York City gained momentum during the pandemic. Prior to COVID, almost 200 of the city's middle schools, or nearly half the total, used enrollment screens, typically grades and test scores, to select high achievers.
Whites and Asians won a disproportionate number of seats in these competitive schools, creating a form of segregation based on academic performance. For instance, at Salk School of Science, a junior high in District 2, these groups accounted for three-fourths of the enrollment, with blacks and Latinos taking less than a quarter of the seats even though they make up two-thirds of all students in NYC's system.

As the schools emptied out due to covid, some schools stopped imposing entrance requirements just to fill the schools with bodies.

And then some began agitating that this system of No Standards, No Selectivity should continue as the model going forward.

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One District 2 mom, who taught in city public schools for six years, says she and her husband have already bought a house in Riverside, Conn., where schools provide accelerated education. They plan to move there if they can't afford a private school in the city.
"It's 100% certain that our children won't go to an unscreened school," says the mother, who asked not to be named because she has two kids in public elementary school. "It's heartbreaking because I grew up in the city and went to public schools. But the standards are falling now."

New York has already faced crippling losses in school population -- 10% of all students who left during covid never came back.

The drop-off accelerated in this and other cities nationwide during the pandemic. Many parents left after seeing the harm done to their children by remote learning when teachers, backed by their union, refused to return to the classroom. Families of all races, particularly blacks, and all income levels exited public schools for charters, homeschools, and mostly for an education outside New York City in New Jersey and in southern states like Florida.
By 2022, the city's schools were down to about 900,000 students, a remarkable 10% drop from two years earlier.
Nothing is more dangerous to the city's schools than the loss of students. State funding is based on head count, and the decline already forced Mayor Eric Adams to cut more than $200 million from the education budget this summer.

And now the City is telling another 10-20% of parents: Take your children somewhere safe.

"I have no doubt that some parents in areas like the Upper East Side will leave the city because of the elimination of screens," says Ray Domanico, a longtime researcher of the city's school enrollment both within the system and now at the conservative Manhattan Institute. "With significantly fewer kids enrolled today, the city shouldn't be pushing policies that could drive more families away."

The article points out that selective schools were enacted in the first place in the 90s to induce parents to stop abandoning the city to move to suburbs with better schools.

And now they've decided to tell the parents they stopped from abandoning the city, "You should now definitely abandon the city."

Selective middle schools were created decades ago to keep middle-class families in the city as crime was pushing them to the suburbs in large numbers. By the 1990s, as the soaring murder rate began to recede and more people moved into less inhabited areas of District 2, parents began to demand better schools, Domanico says.
"The school system chose to respond to those families by setting up screened schools," he says. "The city wanted to appeal to better-educated parents of all racial groups who had good jobs."
In District 2, officials rolled out screened middle and high schools that quickly gained a reputation for excellence, including the Salk School of Science on East 20th Street in 1995.

The schools helped lure white and Asian families to the district. In the following two decades, the number of white students in the district rose to 26% in 2020, up from 19% in 2003, according to state enrollment data. More Asian students enrolled in the district too, bringing their total to 22%, while the number of black students fell to 14% from 22%. Latinos, the largest group, declined as well.

You can't f*ck with someone's kids. You can f*ck with a lot of things in their lives, and they'll put up with it -- but when you f*ck with their children, you're crossing a line.

Urban doom loop, here we come.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at 05:00 PM

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1 They mean to not leave anyone with a choice. No cars, so no movement. No farmers, so no one tied to the land.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:01 PM (zZu0s)

2 3rd?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 27, 2023 05:03 PM (Oq/TM)

3 Philadelphia is suffering through the same thing. Violent crime, workers refuse to go back to work in their buildings, and the real estate market is crashing.

Worse, no one wants to work anymore, because they can just get welfare and enjoy funemployment.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 27, 2023 05:03 PM (d2bW3)

4 Gray box doom

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 27, 2023 05:03 PM (31gUo)

5 I don't know whats whats in this post.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 27, 2023 05:04 PM (7MLuY)

6 BOX!
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Even the New York Times worries about the "urban doom loop," when they're not doing their level best to accelerate it.
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I've been saying for a while that Democrats have a mental paralysis. They can't stop themselves from destroying themselves.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 05:04 PM (krQz2)

7 The blockquote screwup is my favorite of Ace's screwups.

It's charming.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

8 Grey is.so trendy

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (Eeb9P)

9 It's cocksuckers all the way down.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (D25PY)

10 >>>I've been saying for a while that Democrats have a mental paralysis. They can't stop themselves from destroying themselves.

Posted by: Axeman

Good. Let them destroy themselves.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (d2bW3)

11 8 The blockquote screwup is my favorite of Ace's screwups.

It's charming.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

I actually like the format.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (zZu0s)

12 Gosh, Lamont, why'd you have to fix the grey before I got to comment?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (llON8)

13 Lamont is such an intelligent writer compared to ace

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxed Ranger at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (VTu1l)

14 This just needs JoeXiden showing up with stats about how San Francisco's rents are slightly higher than at some random point in the past 2 years which invalidates everything Ace says.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

15 11 >>>I've been saying for a while that Democrats have a mental paralysis. They can't stop themselves from destroying themselves.

Posted by: Axeman

Good. Let them destroy themselves.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (d2bW3)

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Bifurcate, America!

Bifurcate!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

16 They are evil *AND* stupid.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:07 PM (llON8)

17 More fentanyl please. Much more.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:07 PM (D25PY)

18 John Sexton has written about the "urban doom loop" which may kill all the blue cities.

So does this mean all the we-can-never-win angst about blue cities is going to ameliorate some?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 27, 2023 05:07 PM (ppBhU)

19 Also, I believe this is referred to as The Curley Effect.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:08 PM (LvTSG)

20 16 11 >>>I've been saying for a while that Democrats have a mental paralysis. They can't stop themselves from destroying themselves.

Posted by: Axeman

Good. Let them destroy themselves.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (d2bW3)

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Bifurcate, America!

Bifurcate!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

It's sexier than cell division!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:08 PM (eYoxG)

21 I started working in NYC back in 1983 on Wall Street. Back then the downtown area would be a ghost town on the weekends with only tourists wandering around. All the banks are brokerage firms had offices there.
At the start of the 2000's there started to be an exodus of firms to either further uptown, Brooklyn or New Jersey.

Now a days there are many office buildings that have been converted into residences.

I would say there is a LOT of empty offices due to a multiple of factors, people wanting to work from home or companies fleeing the taxes.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 27, 2023 05:08 PM (4q/mG)

22 I saw Bifurcate! open for Mental Paralysis in '95 at the gorge.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:08 PM (D25PY)

23 Portland's county lost 12,000 people two years ago, while the suburban county in Washington across the river from Portland (no state income tax) gained 6,000.

We don't have the county-level figures for last year yet, but the whole state of Oregon lost 16,000 people, and it would not surprise me at all if Portland's county loses another 24,000 people.

You have hilarious articles in the local media from local "population experts" explaining why the Census Bureau numbers have to be wrong.

After all, "Everyone Wants To Live Here!" (TM)

Weird that when public order collapses, and you have homeless encampments in all but the richest neighborhoods, that people start running.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (2tUFv)

24 My life was so grey.
But then it got better.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (UNQS9)

25 >"urban doom loop"

This used to be known as the Curley Effect

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (h6aS8)

26 >>>Bifurcate, America!

Bifurcate!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Not until you're married! Oh wait...

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (d2bW3)

27 You can't f*ck with someone's kids. You can f*ck with a lot of things in their lives, and they'll put up with it -- but when you f*ck with their children, you're crossing a line.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at 05:00 PM
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And this is *exactly* why teachers are terrified of parents finding out what's actually happening in the classroom re: grooming activities.

Now that the cat's out of the bag, parents are going to DEMAND (with torches and pitchforks) that teachers are held accountable at some point.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (YIVH2)

28 "the restaurant and retail and entertainment industries of the city, entire point of even living in or near a city in the first place"

Um, sewer, water, trash-pickup, etc are also nice perks of living in the city. Mass transit used to be, before it turned into Rwanda Bus'n'Rail.

Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (24fqN)

29 I saw Monty open for Urban Doom Loop at the Sidebar in 2014.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (PyOKD)

30 So does this mean all the we-can-never-win angst about blue cities is going to ameliorate some?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 27, 2023 05:07 PM (ppBhU)

Nah, that just means the angst can transfer over to the 'Now all the blue migrants are going to destroy red enclaves.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:10 PM (zZu0s)

31 Until New Yawk City has at least one manufactory of decent salsa, it will continue its slide into irrelevancy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 27, 2023 05:10 PM (a3Q+t)

32 This gives me a hard on!

Posted by: Slider, Ice Man's RIO at January 27, 2023 05:11 PM (vbaSG)

33 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 27, 2023 05:11 PM (T4tVD)

34 Now that the cat's out of the bag, parents are going to DEMAND (with torches and pitchforks) that teachers are held accountable at some point.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (YIVH2)

Unless they can normalize pedophilia and make the moms feel that it is wonderful that their kid is getting molested.

Before you say 'that's insane' I would say 'Hold on, what about the parents taking their kids to drag shows?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:11 PM (zZu0s)

35 New York nood, was hoping Suzanna York

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 05:11 PM (xhxe8)

36
I was no slouch at computer coding, but I never claimed that I had the mad skills to create urbane do loops.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 27, 2023 05:11 PM (pNxlR)

37 Great post, Lamont.

This one may last the full 4 hours.

Posted by: 496 at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (Hyfwy)

38 It's not just Seattle. Up north, Everett has it's shootings and down south, Tacoma has their shootings. And along the freeway from olympia north are homeless tents and garbage.
Fu*k you democrats.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (anj39)

39 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (a3Q+t)

40 Um, sewer, water, trash-pickup, etc are also nice perks of living in the city.

Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (24fqN)

Uh...the suburbs manage to get that done a lot more efficiently than the cities. Visit any neighborhood in NYC and you will see piles of trash, even in the nice neighborhoods!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (XIJ/X)

41 Will they ever admit they're wrong? No. Will they ever learn? No. There would be no point in being Leftists if they learned. They will bring ruin upon as many and as completely as possible before this is over (though what "over" is, we don't know).

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (H8QX8)

42 Republicans would be idiots to try and force workers back into DC. They should do the opposite: push a bill mandating that the fedgov encourage remote work whenever possible, and if you want to force workers back into the office, you have to have an office somewhere where the commute is less than 45 minutes. Justify it as a way to save money on high-priced real estate, and to reduce carbon emissions from commuter vehicles.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (wmDcS)

43 Turns out sewer, water, and trash pickup are either available or there are alternatives everywhere in America.

Some people get well water. Some people have septic tanks. Some people have to drive their own trash to the dump.

But non-city folk manage to have pristine areas in which to live.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (UNQS9)

44 34 Now that the cat's out of the bag, parents are going to DEMAND (with torches and pitchforks) that teachers are held accountable at some point.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (YIVH2)

Unless they can normalize pedophilia and make the moms feel that it is wonderful that their kid is getting molested.

Before you say 'that's insane' I would say 'Hold on, what about the parents taking their kids to drag shows?'
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:11 PM (zZu0s)

Yeah these people are seriously messed up.

We cannot live under the same sky!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (eYoxG)

45 The premise behind Clifford Simak's short story "City" is basically all about this. The de-urbanization of the city was seen as inevitable once people were able to lead fulfilling, productive lives in the suburbs and rural areas due to advances in technology.

Now that we can stay connected virtually via Zoom and other tools, do we really need to be stacked on top of one another? Only a certain subset of the population *enjoys* it. Most will tolerate it to a certain degree, but give them a sense of freedom and autonomy and they will lament what they have lost from the city, but will thrive in the openness they now have available to them.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (YIVH2)

46 I think because of the Marxist/progressive mindset of the libs that makes the Perfect the enemy of the Good, they can't even try to incrementally make things better. They can't make tradeoffs because that sounds like compromise . "And people got hurt!"

They have to create "Solutions", and they get behind and believe in these comprehensive solutions, and people against these "solutions" are just pro-Bad-Situation-X! So, the critical process cannot be used. Instead it's whatever they believe will "entirely fix the situation", evidence or not, that must be supported.

And after that half-hatched idea fails, then they have a period of finding ways of expressing that it really, kinda is working. They have to avoid the feeling of defeat. And they have to again guide people into maintaining the belief in success, until that can no longer be sustained rationally.

Then after that is the flight into wish-casting. If we legalize the taking of property, the crime of theft goes to 0. See, we have "solved" the problem.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (krQz2)

47 42 Republicans would be idiots to try and force workers back into DC. They should do the opposite: push a bill mandating that the fedgov encourage remote work whenever possible, and if you want to force workers back into the office, you have to have an office somewhere where the commute is less than 45 minutes. Justify it as a way to save money on high-priced real estate, and to reduce carbon emissions from commuter vehicles.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (wmDcS)

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Republicans should pass a budget at 1970 levels of every department and go home for the next 18 months.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (LvTSG)

48 They (the government-media-intellectual complex running the blue cities) won't abandon the doom loop, because to do so would require recanting their idols of equality and social justice, and they would rather die (or more accurately, put others in a position to die) than do that.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (tp+tP)

49 Lamont's first movie review?

Now, onto the content ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (kIn7b)

50 That's a shame.

Posted by: In my best Seinfeld voice while eating popcorn at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (DhOHl)

51 >This just needs JoeXiden showing up with stats about how San Francisco's rents are slightly higher than at some random point in the past 2 years which invalidates everything Ace says.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

When he let slip that he's a SF tech bro, then everything fell into place.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (+G+lR)

52 Bifurcate, America!

Bifurcate!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

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Also: Shrug, Atlas!

Shrug!

Posted by: 496 at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (Hyfwy)

53 Such a shame because cities are great places to have a high level of fun.

Posted by: sidney at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (Uy/WF)

54 -He says he values diversity but is concerned that the expectation that academic rigor will be scaled back to accommodate a broad range of students in a lottery is what's driving him and other parents to seek alternatives.

"Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions."

-The article points out that selective schools were enacted in the first place in the 90s to induce parents to stop abandoning the city to move to suburbs with better schools.

Chesterton's fence comes to mind.

Posted by: Cletus at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (kLRrm)

55 I and many in the infant days of Covid said to bomb the bridges and let NYers suffer it out, kind of like the Chinese in a apartment but block off the whole city.

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (xhxe8)

56 I honestly thought that the lockdowns would be a couple weeks, because blue city governments would scream bloody murder at the thought of losing that revenue, and any long-term lockdowns would absolutely kill their downtown economies. I was completely wrong...

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (wmDcS)

57 >Good. Let them destroy themselves.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 27, 2023 05:05 PM (d2bW3)

It's the only way that things will eventually improve. Unfortunately, we're all on the ride together.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (+G+lR)

58 Um, sewer, water, trash-pickup, etc are also nice perks of living in the city.

The water district in my Portland suburb charges 40% of what the Portland Water Bureau charges for water.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (2tUFv)

59 Male Vulcans are naturally bifurcated.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (a3Q+t)

60 "Uh...the suburbs manage to get that done a lot more efficiently than the cities."

I stand corrected.

Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:15 PM (24fqN)

61 The only people who want to live in the large Blue Shitholes we call "cities" are the ones who are getting free shit to do so from the government while they also work a half ass job and also sell drugs or their pussy, head and or ass under the table. All vote or have their votes used by the democrats.

Anyone without a smooth brain would not live in such places.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 27, 2023 05:15 PM (R/m4+)

62 The taco trucks seem to be doing OK, they follow where ever the lunch crowd is.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 27, 2023 05:15 PM (jTmQV)

63 Cities used to be where all the offices and factories were. Now it's just a place to live for people who don't know how to do anything productive in any way shape or form.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:15 PM (9UlRk)

64 My office is literally on Wall Street. Precovid I had 18 or so busses in to the City in the morning, starting at 4:30 am and ending around 11 am, and roughly the same number going home starting at 1 pm or so an ending around 7:30 I think. Now there are 4 each way, and the last one home is at 5:30 because no one wants to be in the City. As has been mentioned, aside from the crime there are countless empty storefronts downtown, from shops of various stripes to of course all the closed restaurants and delis. I almost called them failed businesses, but in fact they were murdered.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (FXT2u)

65 63 Cities used to be where all the offices and factories were. Now it's just a place to live for people who don't know how to do anything productive in any way shape or form.

...and hate driving

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (w0NJk)

66 Republicans should pass a budget at 1970 levels of every department and go home for the next 18 months.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (LvTSG)

The problem is that most of the GOP want to be "competent management" of the superstate, if they want to do anything at all. That makes them cowards when it comes to significant reforms.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (wmDcS)

67 I honestly thought that the lockdowns would be a couple weeks, because blue city governments would scream bloody murder at the thought of losing that revenue...

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (wmDcS)

I don't think you have a clear picture of exactly how fvcking stupid these people are.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (XIJ/X)

68 66 The problem is that most of the GOP want to be "competent management" of the superstate, if they want to do anything at all. That makes them cowards when it comes to significant reforms.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (wmDcS)

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I thought we were talking pie in the sky fantasies like, "Republicans should try to weaken the administrative state by moving it outside of DC."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (LvTSG)

69 67 I don't think you have a clear picture of exactly how fvcking stupid these people are.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (XIJ/X)

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They're going to rule that anthill if they have to kill every ant in it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (LvTSG)

70 66 Republicans should pass a budget at 1970 levels of every department and go home for the next 18 months.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (LvTSG)

The problem is that most of the GOP want to be "competent management" of the superstate, if they want to do anything at all. That makes them cowards when it comes to significant reforms.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (wmDcS)

That somewhat exaggerates their ambition. They want to be "useless leeches" of the superstate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (eYoxG)

71 I almost called them failed businesses, but in fact they were murdered.
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (FXT2u)

Shutting down every business and then getting people scared to even walk around other people had effects. Who'd a thought?

They killed the cities and still plan to cram us all in there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (zZu0s)

72 56 I honestly thought that the lockdowns would be a couple weeks, because blue city governments would scream bloody murder at the thought of losing that revenue, and any long-term lockdowns would absolutely kill their downtown economies. I was completely wrong...

the best part was when things opened up and all the peeps I know in Philly cried about us dirty awful suburbanites coming back with our non-woke selves

so .. I sure didn't. a lot of us don't.

the hipsters are happy now, right Wyatt?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (w0NJk)

73 ...and hate driving
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (w0NJk)

Hush up, you. Don't interrupt me when I'm trying to be extravagantly provincial.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (9UlRk)

74 Fuck Joe Biden and his re-elected gurlfriend Rona McDaniel.

Posted by: Marooned at January 27, 2023 05:18 PM (w6hJ9)

75 Bifurcate, America!

Bifurcate!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

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Also: Shrug, Atlas!

Shrug!
Posted by: 496 at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (Hyfwy)
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¯\_(ツ )_/¯

Posted by: Atlas at January 27, 2023 05:18 PM (krQz2)

76 Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?

Posted by: Petula Clark at January 27, 2023 05:18 PM (DhOHl)

77 I saw Urban Doom Loop open for the Rutles in 1964 at Che Stadium.

(someone had to say it)

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (FXT2u)

78 You know what will solve this problem?
More Honduran tortilla vendors!

Posted by: wth at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (v0R5T)

79 69 67 I don't think you have a clear picture of exactly how fvcking stupid these people are.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (XIJ/X)

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They're going to rule that anthill if they have to kill every ant in it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (LvTSG)

Worked with Tyre
-Alexander the Great

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (eYoxG)

80 I live 90 miles n of NYC. The refugees have fled NYC and overrun my little city. They vote the same way thinking "it won't happen here" . It will and it's happening.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (dHzaG)

81 Sadly, the CITIDIOTS learn nothing and bring their political philosophies out to those of us in the hinterlands and ruin places like Southeastern Mass, NH, Vermont, Nevada, Arizona, Maine, Georgia, Pennsyylvania...

It's an infestation of Twerpy Locusts...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (TGPs7)

82 >Now that we can stay connected virtually via Zoom and other tools, do we really need to be stacked on top of one another?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 27, 2023 05:13 PM (YIVH2)

The planners want us crammed into as high a density as possible. See "The Line" that Lamont recently posted about. Going to drop this link in here, but I'm sure it means nothing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (+G+lR)

83
Visit any neighborhood in NYC and you will see piles of trash, even in the nice neighborhoods!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (XIJ/X)

That was one of the things that stood out to me about Manhattan. The trash piles even in the nice places (which is most of Manhattan, or was). I've been to a lot of cities around the world, and NYC is the only rich place in the first world where I've seen heaps of shit on every street. Even poor cities seem to do better on trash collection.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (oINRc)

84
The premise behind Clifford Simak's short story "City" is basically all about this. The de-urbanization of the city was seen as inevitable once people were able to lead fulfilling, productive lives in the suburbs and rural areas due to advances in technology.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

I read the book, for which I understood Simak took a series of shorter stories on the de-urbanization topic and strung them together with linking threads.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (pNxlR)

85 it's been a Golden Age in Philly for the homeless tho!

they can live by the pretty fountains and bathe in them and just enjoy life in Center City, unencumbered by any normal people

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (w0NJk)

86 Scholars are increasingly voicing concern that the shift to working from home, spurred by the Covid pandemic ...

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[DISINFORMATION WARNING & CORRECTION!] Spurred by the irrational reactions to the pandemic ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (kIn7b)

87 I honestly thought that the lockdowns would be a couple weeks, because blue city governments would scream bloody murder at the thought of losing that revenue, and any long-term lockdowns would absolutely kill their downtown economies. I was completely wrong...

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My company is located in Grand Rapids, MI. They have to charge me Grand Rapids income tax even though I don't spend much if any time in Grand Rapids. (I used to)

The reason given? They lost a lot of tax revenue in 2020!

Posted by: Atlas at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (krQz2)

88 Camera Eye

https://youtu.be/9o4AQe4BJr0

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (PyOKD)

89 New cities will evolve around manufacturing centers like Giga and TMSC; first, workers then amenities, schools and medical. Law enforcement will be controlled by the manufacturers.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (nDTNp)

90 >>> 23 Portland's county lost 12,000 people two years ago, while the suburban county in Washington across the river from Portland (no state income tax) gained 6,000.

We don't have the county-level figures for last year yet, but the whole state of Oregon lost 16,000 people, and it would not surprise me at all if Portland's county loses another 24,000 people.

You have hilarious articles in the local media from local "population experts" explaining why the Census Bureau numbers have to be wrong.

After all, "Everyone Wants To Live Here!" (TM)

Weird that when public order collapses, and you have homeless encampments in all but the richest neighborhoods, that people start running.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (2tUFv)

We'll have more room to accommodate all the refugees from anti-trans and anti-women's-health states.

Posted by: Portland Guy, SUPER Genius at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (llON8)

91 This story makes me happy, but please keep them out of New Hampshire. Tell them we have no schools. Tell them bears wander the streets. Tell them we cannibalize in the winter. It's true!

Posted by: Caliban at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (iC8vi)

92 Things will be great when you're...

https://youtu.be/fzUICBMQBNU

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld clip at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (DhOHl)

93 They're going to rule that anthill if they have to kill every ant in it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:17 PM (LvTSG)

Worked with Tyre
-Alexander the Great
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (eYoxG)

Carthage.
-Scipio Aemilianus

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:21 PM (zZu0s)

94 I don't think you have a clear picture of exactly how fvcking stupid these people are.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (XIJ/X)

Waraiotoko's first law: Never attribute to stupidity the actions of a group that can be explained by malice.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:21 PM (9UlRk)

95 Visit any neighborhood in NYC and you will see piles of trash, even in the nice neighborhoods!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (XIJ/X)

walking to my office at 5 am I get to see the rats swarming over the piles, too! It's like having a part in "Ben"!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:21 PM (FXT2u)

96 "Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the "total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run."
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And commercial real estate investors tip their caps to Little Tony Fauci.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at January 27, 2023 05:21 PM (gf7Ez)

97 (someone had to say it)
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (FXT2u)

and I missed where Monty did lol

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:22 PM (FXT2u)

98 it's been a Golden Age in Philly for the homeless tho!

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It can't beat the golden showers of San Francisco.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 05:22 PM (krQz2)

99 Except all the NYC restaurants are packed and new ones are opening every week. Try getting a table at a high end place. I’d love to see blue cities die, but no matter how many wishcasting articles like this get published, it ain’t happening. Doom loop my ass ….

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 27, 2023 05:22 PM (gcGYv)

100 >>> 28
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Um, sewer, water, trash-pickup, etc are also nice perks of living in the city.
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Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (24fqN)

Oh, is THAT why all my trash and poo is piling up out here, I couldn't figure it out. And I wondered why there isn't any running water here...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:23 PM (llON8)

101 Tell me Urban Doom Loop doesn't sound like a fantastic amusement park ride.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 27, 2023 05:23 PM (cupoy)

102 Even poor cities seem to do better on trash collection.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (oINRc)

Being that dysfunctional takes a lot of wealth.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:23 PM (9UlRk)

103 We'll have more room to accommodate all the refugees from anti-trans and anti-women's-health states.

Not to mention the millions of "climate refugees" that will be showing up in Portland from California and the Desert Southwest by next Thursday.

The local university literally does studies explaining why this is going to happen.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (2tUFv)

104 Can I say Fuck these CITIDIOTS with the Hot Burning Pliers of Doom?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (TGPs7)

105 I started working in NYC back in 1983 on Wall Street. Back then the downtown area would be a ghost town on the weekends with only tourists wandering around. All the banks are brokerage firms had offices there.
At the start of the 2000's there started to be an exodus of firms to either further uptown, Brooklyn or New Jersey.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 27, 2023 05:08 PM (4q/mG)

Back in the day I lived and worked near the Uni of Chicago, didn't have a car. I noticed the ghost town effect because if I wanted to shop, I had to leave work early, trot many, many blocks to the train and get downtown with maybe half an hour to walk to the stores and shop - because they all closed at or before 7 pm, since the business crowd left about 5. Even the restaurants in that area were closed up. Now, Rush Street had places open late but the loop was dead on weekdays.

When I got a car a while later, I would drive to the suburbs to shop and go out to eat - because of the former, and I could park. The vibrant city life crap was just a few blocks of tourist trap stuff around the party block and the baseball stadium, well Wrigley.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (eoQWY)

106
I honestly thought that the lockdowns would be a couple weeks, because blue city governments would scream bloody murder at the thought of losing that revenue, and any long-term lockdowns would absolutely kill their downtown economies. I was completely wrong...

Pfft ... they could not have cared less about them. It was keeping the heroic public school teachers and their unions afloat that had their little noggins fixed on topic.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (pNxlR)

107 Except all the NYC restaurants are packed and new ones are opening every week. Try getting a table at a high end place. I’d love to see blue cities die, but no matter how many wishcasting articles like this get published, it ain’t happening. Doom loop my ass ….
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 27, 2023 05:22 PM (gcGYv)

They're packed in part because many of them are now only open 3 nights a week with reduced hours

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (FXT2u)

108 101 Tell me Urban Doom Loop doesn't sound like a fantastic amusement park ride.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 27, 2023 05:23 PM (cupoy)

Or a Rogue-Lite game.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (zZu0s)

109 I feel bad for the black and Hispanic families who want their children to escape the horrid schools they're in. But they do realize, don't they, that the magnet schools their kids now may go to are run by the same people who run the horrid schools?
So if we take the same kids who are at the horrid schools, and send them to schools run by the same people who run the horrid schools, is there a reason we think we'll get a different result?

Posted by: Wally at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (FJYfm)

110 84
The premise behind Clifford Simak's short story "City" is basically all about this. The de-urbanization of the city was seen as inevitable once people were able to lead fulfilling, productive lives in the suburbs and rural areas due to advances in technology.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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People around here work in the city
they don't live in the city.
They come in do their job and
get the hell out as fast as they can.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (nDTNp)

111 >[DISINFORMATION WARNING & CORRECTION!] Spurred by the irrational reactions to the pandemic ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (kIn7b)

Right, notice the framing. It wasn't our choices, it was that damned coof.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (+G+lR)

112 It's hard to make some, when all you got is one thin dime, on Broadway.

Posted by: Eromero at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (1vBNQ)

113 Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:16 PM (FXT2u)

Hey! Back in the day. I used to work for Irving Trust - One Wall Street.

Posted by: Archer at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (gmo/4)

114 When I lived in NYC trash was set out on the sidewalk with bags or whatever. No fancy mechanical bins, etc. A waste truck comes by, driver stayed in and 2 more guys threw the stuff inside.
Then it all goes to a landfill in VA, or NC or who knows. Barge it out to sea.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (jTmQV)

115 Visit any neighborhood in NYC and you will see piles of trash, even in the nice neighborhoods!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (XIJ/X)
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Primitive Americanos! We don't put up with such things in Argentina! We haul the trash to the poor neighborhoods!

Posted by: Argentinian Aristocrat at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (krQz2)

116 Um, sewer, water, trash-pickup, etc are also nice perks of living in the city. Mass transit used to be, before it turned into Rwanda Bus'n'Rail.

Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:09 PM (24fqN)

I can assure you that sewer, water, and trash-pickup can be found outside the urban core. In fact, even rural towns generally manage that stuff okay.

Mass transit isn't necessarily that big of a selling point either, and when it *has* turned into Rwanda it's a major deterrent.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (nC+QA)

117 So finally having an opportunity drive round Bethesda and Chevy Chase today was an eye-opener.

Poverty amongst wealth. Road surfaces suck. And every intersection is a visual assault of signs, directions and warnings.

Did not like.

And we are here for another seven weeks.

Oh joy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (uLr+K)

118 1...No farmers, so no one tied to the land.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:01 PM (zZu0s)

No farmers, no food.

They're on a mission, which is the elimination of regular folk.
Did you know the clots are from eggs, and not from teh shot??
https://youtu.be/Y7LEyWY1T_0

Posted by: Flyover at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (Rbu5d)

119 > It's not just Seattle. Up north, Everett has it's shootings and down south, Tacoma has their shootings. And along the freeway from Olympia north are homeless tents and garbage.

Yep. My small-ish town is getting more and more dangerous. We have shootings and I can think of at least a couple of places my wife and I used to go on date night that now have zombie shopping cart homeless people everywhere.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (eyxn4)

120 "Oh, is THAT why all my trash and poo is piling up out here, I couldn't figure it out. And I wondered why there isn't any running water here..."

I stand corrected.

Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (24fqN)

121 I got out Dodge at the absolute perfect time.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (ZLI7S)

122 >Waraiotoko's first law: Never attribute to stupidity the actions of a group that can be explained by malice.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:21 PM (9UlRk)

Thanks for reminding me that I hate Hanlon's Razor.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (+G+lR)

123 104 Can I say Fuck these CITIDIOTS with the Hot Burning Pliers of Doom?

I think you just did.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (DhOHl)

124 47 42 Republicans would be idiots to try and force workers back into DC. They should do the opposite: push a bill mandating that the fedgov encourage remote work whenever possible, and if you want to force workers back into the office, you have to have an office somewhere where the commute is less than 45 minutes. Justify it as a way to save money on high-priced real estate, and to reduce carbon emissions from commuter vehicles.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:12 PM (wmDcS)

That's if they want to win VA in 2024. VA has been a huge winner of the DC exodus to telework, b/c the same employees now go out to lunch and run errands here...

The "end telework in DC bill" is truly a DC vs MD/VA, b/c none of the well-earning fed gov employees live in DC, for obvious reasons. More live in VA than MD, thus why VA benefits the most (and probably reason #1024 why VA has been having huge budget surpluses...all those sales taxes to the state)...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

125 "More fentanyl please. Much more."

On it!

Posted by: President whirled pea brain at January 27, 2023 05:26 PM (ZVuYy)

126 Oh, is THAT why all my trash and poo is piling up out here, I couldn't figure it out. And I wondered why there isn't any running water here...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Funny how big city folks think we in ruralland don't have those amenities.

Posted by: SMH at January 27, 2023 05:26 PM (ifBkc)

127 Except all the NYC restaurants are packed and new ones are opening every week. Try getting a table at a high end place. I’d love to see blue cities die, but no matter how many wishcasting articles like this get published, it ain’t happening. Doom loop my ass ….
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 27, 2023 05:22 PM (gcGYv)

I was just saying the same thing to my neighbor! But it turns out he didn't hear me because he moved 5 years ago.

Posted by: Detroit Resident at January 27, 2023 05:26 PM (FJYfm)

128 New cities will evolve around manufacturing centers like Giga and TMSC; first, workers then amenities, schools and medical. Law enforcement will be controlled by the manufacturers.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (nDTNp)

I remember it being a thing in some SF of big corps like ITT forming universities of their own. Hasn't seemed to be happening, and the big corps have swallowed too much woke venom to be able to survive.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:26 PM (eoQWY)

129 74 Fuck Joe Biden and his re-elected gurlfriend Rona McDaniel.
Posted by: Marooned at January 27, 2023 05:18 PM (w6hJ9)

So she won? Another slap-down of the base. No one wanted this incompetent, self-serving, potato-faced Avon lady but the elites.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (H8QX8)

130 OT: Does anyone think that any amount of Botox or Lip injections makes Ronna Romney attractive?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (D25PY)

131 And then some began agitating that this system of No Standards, No Selectivity should continue as the model going forward.

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When I was in HS back in the 80's, the school districts actively encouraged bad students to either join the vocational program which many of these kids excelled at or just drop out and get a job. Stop fucking up school for the ones who actually want to be there. Now they are hell bent on sending everything that breaths to college.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (h1jJh)

132 The NY Times manages to mess up lots of things.
In the first quote in this article "Insofar as fear of urban crime grows, " obviously should be "Insofar as urban crime grows, ". It is not fear it is a fact.

Posted by: Roland F Hirsch at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (oMkPq)

133 This may be a stupid question but how were schools doing head counts when everything was distant? Did they count the number of students logged in on their computers everyday?

Posted by: abbynormal at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (CIl8X)

134 Thanks for reminding me that I hate Hanlon's Razor.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (+G+lR)

You can explain it by stupidity.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:28 PM (eoQWY)

135 Funny how big city folks think we in ruralland don't have those amenities.
Posted by: SMH at January 27, 2023 05:26 PM (ifBkc)
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Outhouses don't count, rube.

Posted by: Urbanite at January 27, 2023 05:28 PM (krQz2)

136 That's if they want to win VA in 2024. VA has been a huge winner of the DC exodus to telework, b/c the same employees now go out to lunch and run errands here...

The "end telework in DC bill" is truly a DC vs MD/VA, b/c none of the well-earning fed gov employees live in DC, for obvious reasons. More live in VA than MD, thus why VA benefits the most (and probably reason #1024 why VA has been having huge budget surpluses...all those sales taxes to the state)...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

Yup. My boss lives out in eastern WV, and commutes one day a week into the office. He knows a lot of others who live in the region as well. Good luck getting them dislodged and commuting five days a week.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:28 PM (wmDcS)

137 This may be a stupid question but how were schools doing head counts when everything was distant? Did they count the number of students logged in on their computers everyday?
Posted by: abbynormal at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (CIl8X)

Government skools. They just make shit up and no one cares or is checking.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (R/m4+)

138 Except all the NYC restaurants are packed and new ones are opening every week. Try getting a table at a high end place. I’d love to see blue cities die, but no matter how many wishcasting articles like this get published, it ain’t happening. Doom loop my ass ….

Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded?

I don't have a dog in this fight. But you'd more or less expect the phenomeonon you're describing in a doom loop because the well to do are insulated from a lot of the drivers of doom (for some period of time anyway)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (ppBhU)

139 Thanks for reminding me that I hate Hanlon's Razor.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (+G+lR)
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Use a different company!

Posted by: Jeremy Boering at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (krQz2)

140 In our sleepy little town, we take our trash and recyclables to the local convenience center once or twice a week.

We know every employee by name, and it's as much a social visit as a trash run.

And we even have indoor plumbing, and running water.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (uLr+K)

141 Mayor Eric Adams to cut more than $200 million from the education budget this summer.

Urban doom loop, here we come.
Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy

You know where Adams might be able to cut the education budget?
How about firing all the *teachers* that have been relegated to sitting in offices and *not* teaching because they crossed that 'grooming or pedo' line?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (I2ZL9)

142 Thanks for reminding me that I hate Hanlon's Razor.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (+G+lR)

I mean, it sorta weakly works for individuals who you already know. But for groups? Definitely the other way around.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (9UlRk)

143 This may be a stupid question but how were schools doing head counts when everything was distant? Did they count the number of students logged in on their computers everyday?
Posted by: abbynormal at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (CIl8X)

Lets start with this assuming teachers want to do work and care about teaching their subject....

Then when we get off the floor from laughing, we have the answer to the question.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (eoQWY)

144 Outhouses don't count, rube.
Posted by: Urbanite
___

Bless your about to be robbed heart.

Posted by: SMH at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (ifBkc)

145 In this dirty old part of the city. Where the sun refused to shine. People tell me there ain't no use in trying.

Posted by: Archer at January 27, 2023 05:30 PM (gmo/4)

146 New cities will evolve around manufacturing centers like Giga and TMSC; first, workers then amenities, schools and medical. Law enforcement will be controlled by the manufacturers.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (nDTNp)

Probably just contract out to the Pinkertons.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:30 PM (wmDcS)

147 Hey! Back in the day. I used to work for Irving Trust - One Wall Street.

Posted by: Archer at January 27, 2023 05:24 PM (gmo/4)

1 is going condos. I've worked within a block or two of here since '86. As Scuba_Dude noted back in those days they rolled up the sidewalks at 5 pm, as there was no reason to stay in the area. 9/11 changed all that. Many companies realized they didn't *need* to be based on Wall St., so they moved out and a lot of the office towers went condos. It made a hell of a difference, as suddenly there were people who were there, who lived there, so bars and restaurants were open all the time.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:30 PM (FXT2u)

148 Free toilet paper is in the contract.

Posted by: Amalgamated Zombie Shopping Cart Homeless People local #508 at January 27, 2023 05:30 PM (DhOHl)

149 Lemmiwinks @ 131-
Unless they're Asians.

Posted by: Eromero at January 27, 2023 05:30 PM (1vBNQ)

150
Yeah and that was another weird thing! Why the hell don't NY people use trash cans? And why do they have those trash throwers? They have to be able to afford the trucks with the robo-arm like my little podunk town has. Is it some union scam to keep people employed, or what? The whole thing is gross AF.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 27, 2023 05:30 PM (oINRc)

151 Yup. My boss lives out in eastern WV, and commutes one day a week into the office. He knows a lot of others who live in the region as well. Good luck getting them dislodged and commuting five days a week.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:28 PM (wmDcS)

WV was giving literal bonuses to fed gov workers to move there (think it was a tax credit so it wouldn't break rules)...they totally want the tax base from fed gov!

Posted by: Nova Local at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (exHjb)

152 Seattle's morgues are meanwhile overflowing with dead bodies, due to fentanyl overdoses.

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"You're welcome!"

-- F. Joe Biden and his Chinese & Mexican Cartel paymasters, profiting off of death even more than Pfizer

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (6uE0M)

153 59 Male Vulcans are naturally bifurcated.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 27, 2023 05:14 PM (a3Q+t)

Obligatory:

Shut up Wesley...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (CCSxw)

154 91 This story makes me happy, but please keep them out of New Hampshire. Tell them we have no schools. Tell them bears wander the streets. Tell them we cannibalize in the winter. It's true!
Posted by: Caliban at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (iC8vi)

Too Late!

Heard Karoline Leavitt on with Howie and she's very unsure about running again in NH, because formerly conservative districts have been turned Blue...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (TGPs7)

155 I would rather have to shit in a cold dark closet than live in most US cities. But i also like gardening. So. You know. Whatever.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (9UlRk)

156 One of my brother's HQ is located in downtown Portland. For all intense purposes it is a ghost facility. They tried to force people back to the office but changed their mind after a significant amount of the employees gave their 2 weeks notice.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (Edayn)

157 In Seattle they bury their garbage right next to Aunt Emma. She's busy composting in the community garden.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (D25PY)

158 Wyatt In the 1950s, Philly was the fifth largest city in the US, and had twice the population it does today.

Posted by: Regular joe at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (nnp+f)

159 Doom loop my ass ….

Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded?

The Masque of Red Death party was pretty well-populated, too.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (H8QX8)

160 How does the 15 minute city work if everyone flees the cities first?

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (kOpft)

161 Are you still in NY Ace? Why. You can build shelves anywhere.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (mgm0a)

162 When I was in HS back in the 80's, the school districts actively encouraged bad students to either join the vocational program which many of these kids excelled at or just drop out and get a job. Stop fucking up school for the ones who actually want to be there. Now they are hell bent on sending everything that breaths to college.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (h1jJh)

Good god we don't want woke groomers anywhere near our plumbers.

Yeah, our district had Voke schools. I knew some kids that went there, they loved it and certainly learned something.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (eoQWY)

163 Due to the record number of fentanyl overdose deaths in King County, Washington, the medical examiner is running out of places to store the dead bodies.

Are there no lime pits?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (yQpMk)

164 155 I would rather have to shit in a cold dark closet than live in most US cities. But i also like gardening. So. You know. Whatever.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (9UlRk)

I dunno. Does the closet have a bucket at least? Is it attached to the house?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (zZu0s)

165 >So she won? Another slap-down of the base.

He didn't name names, so take it for what it is.
Charlie Kirk was at the vote and claims to have been told "the small donors aren't here voting, I am." I can't find the exact quote, but that is the gist.

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (DB16e)

166 The problem with this is that it will scatter all the loser leftists to places that still function.... and kill those places.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (u4CEu)

167 I don't have a dog in this fight. But you'd more or less expect the phenomeonon you're describing in a doom loop because the well to do are insulated from a lot of the drivers of doom (for some period of time anyway)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 27, 2023 05:29 PM (ppBhU)

Like those ghetto scenes in "The Pianist" where the restaurant was full of the rich folks while the others were starving in the streets until all of them ended up being killed or put on the trains.

Plus, why don't people just stay home and learn how to cook.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (R/m4+)

168 The whole urban doom loop is basically a socio-political version of Minsky's Financial Instability Hypothesis. Organizations over time accumulate large amounts of debt (in the case of cities, both financial as well as social/political) and are increasingly reliant on borrowing against the future and in larger returns. This makes them very vulnerable to shocks in the system, at which point they begin shedding assets in a desperate attempt to stay afloat.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (wmDcS)

169 Liberals insist on celebrating diversity for diversity's sake even if it creates division among us. Well, people seem to now be accepting the division and leaving liberal enclaves to the liberals. It's almost like Atlas is Shrugging...

Posted by: LazyGepid at January 27, 2023 05:33 PM (LfPfb)

170 158 Wyatt In the 1950s, Philly was the fifth largest city in the US, and had twice the population it does today.
Posted by: Regular joe at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (nnp+f)

Now do Detroit, City of Tomorrow.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:33 PM (zZu0s)

171 When we moved out to the rural hinterlands, part of the fun of taking our trash to the town dump was trying to stop my dad from bring home stuff other people were throwing out.

Dad: Will you look at this perfectly good chair some threw out!!!! I can fix that up!!!

Posted by: Archer at January 27, 2023 05:33 PM (gmo/4)

172 That was one of the things that stood out to me about Manhattan. The trash piles even in the nice places (which is most of Manhattan, or was). I've been to a lot of cities around the world, and NYC is the only rich place in the first world where I've seen heaps of shit on every street. Even poor cities seem to do better on trash collection.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 27, 2023 05:19 PM (oINRc)

Most poorer cities don't have unions in charge of trash collection.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (BdMk6)

173 This may be a stupid question but how were schools doing head counts when everything was distant? Did they count the number of students logged in on their computers everyday?
Posted by: abbynormal at January 27, 2023 05:27 PM (CIl8X)

They were fudging the numbers. Head counts for the purposes of funding are done once a year, IIRC, and I believe that during the pandemic the reporting standards were a lot looser, or legislatures just said, "fuck it," and didn't worry about enrollment numbers.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (wmDcS)

174 Xanadu

https://youtu.be/SEuOoMprDqg

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (PyOKD)

175 How does the 15 minute city work if everyone flees the cities first?
Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (kOpft)

Daylight Savings Minutes

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (9UlRk)

176 This story makes me happy, but please keep them out of New Hampshire. Tell them we have no schools. Tell them bears wander the streets. Tell them we cannibalize in the winter. It's true!
Posted by: Caliban at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (iC8vi)

Too Late!

Heard Karoline Leavitt on with Howie and she's very unsure about running again in NH, because formerly conservative districts have been turned Blue...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM

I'm still moving up across the state line if I find a good place this year.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (Wnv9h)

177 How does the 15 minute city work if everyone flees the cities first?
Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (kOpft)

Literally everything I've seen from a planner about cities in the last zillion years or so has been nonsense. What's this one try and engineer?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (eoQWY)

178 129 74 Fuck Joe Biden and his re-elected gurlfriend Rona McDaniel.
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Anybody really think that she wasn't going to win?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (nDTNp)

179 This may be a stupid question but how were schools doing head counts when everything was distant? Did they count the number of students logged in on their computers everyday?
Posted by: abbynormal

Some did. Then they discovered that up to 50% never even logged in. Given that the Federal $$ is tied to headcount, they switched to 'enrolled' student headcount. (Didn't matter if they logged in or not.)

Posted by: Tonypete at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (qoGsy)

180 In Seattle they bury their garbage right next to Aunt Emma. She's busy composting in the community garden.

And here i thought they elected their garbage to city offices.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (Bd6X8)

181 I would love to see a breakdown of who voted for Ronna. Costal blue state elites, plus KS and NE?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (mgm0a)

182 The premise behind Clifford Simak's short story "City" is basically all about this. The de-urbanization of the city was seen as inevitable once people were able to lead fulfilling, productive lives in the suburbs and rural areas due to advances in technology.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

I read the book, for which I understood Simak took a series of shorter stories on the de-urbanization topic and strung them together with linking threads.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot

Jerry Pournelle also kind of predicted this in his Co-Dominium stories. They were called "Welfare Islands", where people were almost totally maintained on "welfare".

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (vcOmj)

183 >>> 118
==
They're on a mission, which is the elimination of regular folk.
Did you know the clots are from eggs, and not from teh shot??
https://youtu.be/Y7LEyWY1T_0
Posted by: Flyover at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (Rbu5d)

bluebell the hen is insulted by this BS and wants to peck this shit out of anyone propagating such foul slander. She was already pissed about the stupid WEFtards plotting to take HER crickets to feed to non-WEF hoomans.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (llON8)

184 172 That was one of the things that stood out to me about Manhattan. The trash piles even in the nice places (which is most of Manhattan, or was). I've been to a lot of cities around the world, and NYC is the only rich place in the first world where I've seen heaps of shit on every street. Even poor cities seem to do better on trash collection.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

It's always been that way in the Shitty. Even St. Rudy couldn't fix that mess.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:36 PM (D25PY)

185 When we moved out to the rural hinterlands, part of the fun of taking our trash to the town dump was trying to stop my dad from bring home stuff other people were throwing out.

Dad: Will you look at this perfectly good chair some threw out!!!! I can fix that up!!!

Posted by: Archer at January 27, 2023 05:33 PM

"Damned shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that!"

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 27, 2023 05:36 PM (Wnv9h)

186 Literally everything I've seen from a planner about cities in the last zillion years or so has been nonsense. What's this one try and engineer?
Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:34 PM (eoQWY)

Pretending to be a city planner is easier than pretending to be an architect.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:36 PM (9UlRk)

187 Reading along here, glad I never lived in the city
But this meatball Stromboli is hot

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 05:36 PM (xhxe8)

188 Truth Social
Charlie Kirk: talking to RNC members one said “I don’t give a flying flip what the small donors think. They are not voting today.”

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 27, 2023 05:36 PM (DB16e)

189 181 I would love to see a breakdown of who voted for Ronna. Costal blue state elites, plus KS and NE?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (mgm0a)

I'm in SC and I'm damn sure our state's contingent voted for her. It's a secret ballot (of course it is).

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 27, 2023 05:37 PM (H8QX8)

190 Seattle's morgues are meanwhile overflowing with dead bodies, due to fentanyl overdoses.

--------

"You're welcome!"

-- F. Joe Biden and his Chinese & Mexican Cartel paymasters, profiting off of death even more than Pfizer
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 27, 2023 05:31 PM (6uE0M)

Real ones or do they get paid extra for that diagnosis these days?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:37 PM (eoQWY)

191 New York public school system will experience more bad luck. I expect a permanent exit tax on all New York refugees.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 05:37 PM (u4CEu)

192 I'm hearing the police caused death of Tyre Nichols in Memphis due is a bad one. I hope everyone's ready for the hordes that are going to come out.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (eyxn4)

193
After last week and losing Jeff Beck, my wife just said that the authoritative site for everything (Facebook) says that 'Prayers are needed for Rod Stewart' who was barely mentioned on Jeff Beck's 'Truth' album.

I report you decide.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (enJYY)

194 Pretending to be a city planner is easier than pretending to be an architect.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:36 PM (9UlRk)

The collapse occurs the same, though.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (eoQWY)

195 Thanks for reminding me that I hate Hanlon's Razor.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:25 PM (+G+lR)
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What it ignores is that stupidity allows a lot of malignity to grow. Or even, at some tipping point becomes malignant, or at least is a wash.

I used to practice Hanlon's Razor, but like any rule of thumb it can be overused, if not a partly fallacious assumption at its base.

Marxism is a kind of stupidity. But it festers into Bolshevism. Bolshevism declines by a takeover of Stalinism. Lysenkoism spawns and increases the stupidity/malignancy levels. Bolshevism incubates a takeover by Stalinism. Stalinism targets the rest of the world to inject its innate stupidity into host cultures.
...
yada, yada, yada
200 million dead.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (krQz2)

196 I hope everyone's ready for the hordes that are going to come out.
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Not worried at all.

Posted by: SMH at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (ifBkc)

197 >>Seattle

In the early 90s I remember Seattle went 42 days without a murder. The streak ended when an angry wife shot her wayward husband dead.

It was a safe city back then. Except for no good, cheating husbands of course.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (t4BDZ)

198 New York public school system will experience more bad luck. I expect a permanent exit tax on all New York refugees.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 05:37 PM (u4CEu)

A wise policy would to not allow NY transplants to vote for 5 years after relocation, to give them time, well at least hopefully a couple of them at least, to realize that the reason NYC is such a shithole is because of how they voted

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (FXT2u)

199 The royalist Romney broad got twice as many votes as Dhillon. Lindell got four votes. It wasn't even close.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (H8QX8)

200 Jerry Pournelle also kind of predicted this in his Co-Dominium stories. They were called "Welfare Islands", where people were almost totally maintained on "welfare".
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 27, 2023 05:35 PM (vcOmj)

That's what that really creepy dude, Yuval Noah Harari, at the WEF proposes.

That and killing them with SOMA like drugs...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (CCSxw)

201 That glass wall city they are building in SA.

Have they done an environmental impact study?

I bet they have.
Studies show that cities affect the surrounding area like a small mountain range.
My study indicates that sea moisture from the east will be stopped creating more rain, dew, and vegetation east of the wall er mirror city and more drought like, if that's possible, conditions west of the wall.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (nDTNp)

202 Pretending to be a city planner is easier than pretending to be an architect.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

Light rail! Or a monorail! Always the answer to traffic and urban crowding. People spaces!
Excelsior!

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 27, 2023 05:40 PM (vcOmj)

203 I saw Urban Doom Loop open for Nirvana at the Seattle VFW Hall in 1991

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 27, 2023 05:40 PM (vN+oL)

204 In the early 90s I remember Seattle went 42 days without a murder. The streak ended when an angry wife shot her wayward husband dead.

It was a safe city back then. Except for no good, cheating husbands of course.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (t4BDZ)

Note to self: Don't move to Seattle.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 27, 2023 05:41 PM (FJYfm)

205 Ugh. These shit eating "public" "service" commercials popping up about fentanyl.... yeah, shitweasels. We had a president who tried to fix that bullshit. And your dumb bitch slack titted wattle necked asses ran him out of town and curb stomped everything good he tried to do. Go choke on someone else's vomit you evil, preening, rotten-brained homunculi.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:41 PM (9UlRk)

206 The video's coming out tonight. Might want to do some emergency shopping and hunker down.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (eyxn4)

207 199 The royalist Romney broad got twice as many votes as Dhillon. Lindell got four votes. It wasn't even close.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 27, 2023 05:39 PM (H8QX

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It never is. They chose Michael Steel over Ken Blackburn. It's their club.
and they use it on us

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (nDTNp)

208 Fentanyl deaths--exactly why should I care about this?

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (S7une)

209 >I'm hearing the police caused death of Tyre Nichols in Memphis due is a bad one. I hope everyone's ready for the hordes that are going to come out.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (eyxn4)

Well be interesting to see the spin on this one, given the racial makeup of the five cops.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (+G+lR)

210 You can't f*ck with someone's kids. You can f*ck with a lot of things in their lives, and they'll put up with it -- but when you f*ck with their children, you're crossing a line.

You had me until this, right at the very end. Because this is simply not true. We've seen this as false, over numerous generations. People have, and will continue to, sacrifice the well being of their children rather than change their perceptions about various preferred institutions.

We've seen this with Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church. We've seen this numerous times with the victims of illegal immigrants. We're seeing it with the proponents of social equality as it applies to public schooling.

Remember, for many folks, this is faith. And true faith demands a sacrifice now and then. Even of one's own children.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (U93OM)

211 So after two weeks to flatten the curve, the curve is exploding with noncovid deaths. We are ruled by imbeciles.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (u4CEu)

212 >>> 205 Ugh. These shit eating "public" "service" commercials popping up about fentanyl.... yeah, shitweasels. We had a president who tried to fix that bullshit. And your dumb bitch slack titted wattle necked asses ran him out of town and curb stomped everything good he tried to do. Go choke on someone else's vomit you evil, preening, rotten-brained homunculi.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:41 PM (9UlRk)

You shouldn't keep your feelings bottled up like that.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (llON8)

213 Maybe Ronna can spend some more RNC money on her face. As of now, she still looks like an egg with hair.

Posted by: abbynormal at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (CIl8X)

214 >The video's coming out tonight. Might want to do some emergency shopping and hunker down.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (eyxn4)

When even the police chief says it's bad, it must be pretty bad.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:43 PM (+G+lR)

215 Ugh. These shit eating "public" "service" commercials popping up about fentanyl.... yeah, shitweasels. We had a president who tried to fix that bullshit. And your dumb bitch slack titted wattle necked asses ran him out of town and curb stomped everything good he tried to do. Go choke on someone else's vomit you evil, preening, rotten-brained homunculi.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:41 PM (9UlRk)

But this allows them to establish a new bureaucracy to deal with the fentanyl crisis, man!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 05:43 PM (zZu0s)

216 Literally everything I've seen from a planner about cities in the last zillion years or so has been nonsense. What's this one try and engineer?
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It's the WEF "You'll own nothing, including a car, eat bugs, and be happy" plan.

Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (kOpft)

217 206 The video's coming out tonight. Might want to do some emergency shopping and hunker down.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (eyxn4)

I don't think it will be bad - I mean 5 black cops kill a black guy. Who are they gonna protest? Themselves? It's not like racial awareness was gonna help this situation...

That said, with the economy the way it is, I can see lawlessness for the sake of looting...I think we're getting set up for that op...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (exHjb)

218
Well be interesting to see the spin on this one, given the racial makeup of the five cops.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (+G+lR)

If it's what it sounds like it was - police brutality - people could protest (or riot) based on that. But I'm hoping it stays to protests. I'm not sure the usual suspects can find firm enough purchase on this ground to whip up the usual race riots.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (oINRc)

219 206 The video's coming out tonight. Might want to do some emergency shopping and hunker down.
Posted by: bonhomme
------------------------------

How did the white man get involved in this. Or are they going to a middle class black neighborhood to riot?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (nDTNp)

220 How does the 15 minute city work if everyone flees the cities first?
Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 05:32 PM (kOpft)
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That's where press gangs come in.

Posted by: Klaus Asschwab at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (krQz2)

221 The big Blue Cities are inflicting head wounds on themselves by bowing to the false god of diversity.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (1pO9F)

222 That's what that really creepy dude, Yuval Noah Harari, at the WEF proposes.

That and killing them with SOMA like drugs...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

Yuval Harari was supposedly one of Barack Obama's favorite authors.
The late Dr. Vladimir Zelenko (who was a righteous, good and brave man) said he was an atheist homosexual, who hates God and believers (Christian or Jewish) , and although he is a ancestrally a Jew, totally rejects that

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (vcOmj)

223 I'm hearing the police caused death of Tyre Nichols in Memphis due is a bad one. I hope everyone's ready for the hordes that are going to come out.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:38 PM (eyxn4)

I don't want to see this video. Now, if it had been Tom Nichols...

Posted by: Wally at January 27, 2023 05:45 PM (FJYfm)

224 Fentanyl deaths--exactly why should I care about this?
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (S7une)

I'm starting to look at it as the culling of the herd.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 27, 2023 05:45 PM (BdMk6)

225 Mom With OnlyFans Account Sues School District For Banning Her As Volunteer

https://tinyurl.com/ahayc8d7

I can't see why.

Prolly NSFW

https://tinyurl.com/35fjvrjb

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 05:45 PM (D25PY)

226 You shouldn't keep your feelings bottled up like that.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:42 PM (llON

I'd be more florid, but this damned pidgin of a language just doesn't have enough robust phonemes to fully express my indignation.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:45 PM (9UlRk)

227 The video of P Pelosi and his buddy is cute.
Veritas should interview Nancy.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:45 PM (nDTNp)

228 Here is my theory on Blue cities. This comes from living in one and just south of another one.

Progressives, attracted to easy money, move to a booming city.

They take over the politics. But there isn't very much money in fixing roads & bridges, cleaning up trash, and doing all the things city council's normally do. Also, they are generally incompetent.

This is where being Progressive really helps out (and why I think it's so attractive to so many incompetent/unskilled/stupid people). They begin to change the focus of their job from one taking care of the city and making it nice for its current citizens to preparing it for the future, for future imaginary citizens.

They start encouraging or mandating the construction of apartment buildings & condos. This is ripe for kickbacks and increases the tax base.
They give millions of taxpayer dollars to non-profits who promise to "help the homeless." Those non-profits always fail and kick money back to the politician's campaigns.
They make sure the city is "green" (an imaginary goal) instead of making sure it's clean (a real world, difficult goal).

Focusing on the future means not having to take care of the present.

Posted by: 29Victor at January 27, 2023 05:45 PM (BJKQV)

229 Seattle

In the early 90s I remember Seattle went 42 days without a murder. The streak ended when an angry wife shot her wayward husband dead.

It was a safe city back then. Except for no good, cheating husbands of course.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnel
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In the early 80s I spent some time at Fort Lewis one summer. I brought up my car with Kalifornia plates and got lots of hate. Looks like the spread of californication is complete up in Washington. Sorry.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 05:46 PM (u4CEu)

230 Seattle could make up budget shortfalls by selling their own brand of The Peoples' Compost.

Posted by: Hunter at January 27, 2023 05:46 PM (VpRW7)

231 Light rail! Or a monorail! Always the answer to traffic and urban crowding. People spaces!
Excelsior!
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 27, 2023 05:40 PM (vcOmj)

I've used light rail to the suburbs. The last train that didn't take you to all the stops in the suburban zone (thus taking 30 minutes instead of about 5) left at 5:10 or before. Then there was one or two of those, then it stopped at every stop along the whole route and took hours to get out there.

Then at your station, you had the sight of men in suits running like mad to their cars, since if you didn't run the jam OUT OF THE SUBURBAN STATION would take half an hour.

Soon after that, the Feds changed the tax rules so you couldn't deduct train tickets, but could deduct parking and miles, so I drove and parked and submitted stubs to the consulting company.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:46 PM (eoQWY)

232 >How did the white man get involved in this. Or are they going to a middle class black neighborhood to riot?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (nDTNp)

Those cops had internalized white supremacy

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:46 PM (+G+lR)

233 Mom With OnlyFans Account Sues School District For Banning Her As Volunteer

https://tinyurl.com/ahayc8d7

I can't see why.

Prolly NSFW

https://tinyurl.com/35fjvrjb

It's the tattoos.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 27, 2023 05:47 PM (Bd6X8)

234 "I can't see why. "
There's gonna be discipline, that's for certain.
The only question is who on the receiving end...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 27, 2023 05:47 PM (jTmQV)

235 Progressives, attracted to easy money, move to a booming city.
They take over the politics. But there isn't very much money in fixing roads & bridges, cleaning up trash, and doing all the things city council's normally do. Also, they are generally incompetent.

Posted by: 29Victor

The other term for these people is criminal sociopath.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 27, 2023 05:47 PM (vcOmj)

236 Let's hope the political power of the blue cities is killed with them.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 27, 2023 05:47 PM (roH4R)

237
I asked Wyatt Earp about the consequences of a bad video appearing and being seen by Philly residents tonight.

* crickets *

Is never good, right?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 27, 2023 05:47 PM (enJYY)

238 Hypothetical Question; if rioters in Memphis are left unchecked, beginning tonight and running through Sunday evening - how many millions of dollars of renovations will they perform ? Show your work.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 05:48 PM (U93OM)

239 232 >How did the white man get involved in this. Or are they going to a middle class black neighborhood to riot?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (nDTNp)

They'll just go with it's Trump's fault because the HATE ! Just like some Dems are blaming Trump for the Pelosi "attack."

Posted by: It's me donna at January 27, 2023 05:48 PM (bs+z0)

240 I asked Wyatt Earp about the consequences of a bad video appearing and being seen by Philly residents tonight.

I dunno I mean we're all kind of focusing on the Eagles here? probably not a big whoop here in Philly plus it's pretty cold out.

but ya never know

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 27, 2023 05:48 PM (w0NJk)

241 Sure its just fentanyl deaths filling up the morgues? Or maybe they would count a lot of the deaths as clot-shot induced but, oh look! There’s fentanyl in their system.

Posted by: Rex B at January 27, 2023 05:49 PM (rS4mk)

242 Serious question - if workers keep separating work and home location beyond a commuting distance - I.e. living in a different state - can/will employers base the salary on the cost of living where the worker resides? Is this already happening?

Posted by: InZona at January 27, 2023 05:49 PM (YSc55)

243 It atlas shrugged, you could tell the state of decay buy the fact that they would close down the top floors of buildings as civilization wound down.

It won't be long before the zero carbon people start doing that as the cities hollow out.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 27, 2023 05:49 PM (OPdEn)

244 #FiftyIsTooMany

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:50 PM (9UlRk)

245 > I don't think it will be bad - I mean 5 black cops kill a black guy. Who are they gonna protest? Themselves? It's not like racial awareness was gonna help this situation...

Seriously? Watch videos of white leftists screaming racist crap at black cops during the St George unpleasantness. They will scream ACAB and Fuck12 and all that bullshit and they will burn things regardless.

Or maybe not. *shrug* I don't know the future. I'm just saying you might want to be prepared.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:50 PM (eyxn4)

246 At least the public employee pensions will be funded./

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 27, 2023 05:51 PM (r3PlK)

247 Probably said already. At powerlineblog Rubin has a video walking thru San Fran to Twitter hq to see Elon.

Confirms this.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at January 27, 2023 05:51 PM (NW9xb)

248 242 Serious question - if workers keep separating work and home location beyond a commuting distance - I.e. living in a different state - can/will employers base the salary on the cost of living where the worker resides? Is this already happening?
Posted by: InZona at January 27, 2023 05:49 PM (YSc55)

Don't see why employers couldn't do that. After all, part of the employee's calculation on acceptable salary is whether they can afford to live in a preferred spot while working there.

Posted by: Octochicken at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (oCS0o)

249 Hilarious. There are four Best Buy stores in Memphis. Two are closed now, the rest close at 6:00 PM. As if that will matter.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (U93OM)

250 Prolly NSFW

https://tinyurl.com/35fjvrjb
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Volunteer Appreciation Day is gonna be lit this year!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (qoGsy)

251 CNN has an opinion piece up by Van Jones-

The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism

Posted by: redridinghood at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (NpAcC)

252 The Memphis cops will be railroaded--because that's standard operating procedure now, regardless of the particulars of this specific case.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (S7une)

253 > I don't think it will be bad - I mean 5 black cops kill a black guy. Who are they gonna protest? Themselves? It's not like racial awareness was gonna help this situation...

Seriously? Watch videos of white leftists screaming racist crap at black cops during the St George unpleasantness. They will scream ACAB and Fuck12 and all that bullshit and they will burn things regardless.

Or maybe not. *shrug* I don't know the future. I'm just saying you might want to be prepared.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:50 PM (eyxn4)

There's a lot of pent up energy looking for some ragin', and especially now that no one gets arrested for any type of criminal mischief these days...I'd be prepared for some nastiness

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (FXT2u)

254 No problema. The unwashed hordes will fill those empty blue city tenements, and New York will shine again in multi-ethnicity as it di in the 1890s!

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (DsA2n)

255 Or maybe not. *shrug* I don't know the future. I'm just saying you might want to be prepared.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 27, 2023 05:50 PM (eyxn4)

We think they burn shit down because X or Y or Z.

They burn shit down because they want to burn shit down and get away with it and someone from a "non-profit" tells them it's Go Time and here's fifty bucks.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (9UlRk)

256 242 Serious question - if workers keep separating work and home location beyond a commuting distance - I.e. living in a different state - can/will employers base the salary on the cost of living where the worker resides? Is this already happening?
Posted by: InZona at January 27, 2023 05:49 PM (YSc55)

It'll tend to increase wage pressure in lower cost of living areas and decrease in high cost of living areas. The reason wages in urban areas is higher(and they aren't always) is not the cost of living, but the value-add of having that labor in that location as opposed to somewhere else. If that value-add goes away, there's no reason to pay more for people to be in location A than location B.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (eYoxG)

257 >>Here is my theory on Blue cities. This comes from living in one and just south of another one.

>>Progressives, attracted to easy money, move to a booming city.

I lived off and on in Boston for almost 20 years. Boston politics are even more dominated by Democrats than Massachusetts as a whole. But at least until I left it was dominated by old time Yankee Democrats not progressives.

It was an incredibly livable city. Not a tolerable place, a fantastic place to live. Clean, safe, lots of open space, restaurants, bars, museums, etc.. I lived a few blocks from Fenway and could walk to the Garden. The Charles River and the Esplanade were across the street and we had free concerts and movies under the stars. It was an awesome place to live.

But the progressives have now taken over and things are going downhill fast. Progressives ruin everything, it's what they do.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)

258 Bifurcate, America!

Bifurcate!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 27, 2023 05:06 PM (LvTSG)

It's sexier than cell division!
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 27, 2023 05:08 PM (eYoxG)
______________

Every thread on the HQ comes to down to talking about cleavage.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (DP9YX)

259 New cities will evolve around manufacturing centers like Giga and TMSC; first, workers then amenities, schools and medical. Law enforcement will be controlled by the manufacturers.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:20 PM (nDTNp)

Then come the rollerball teams.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (guGkK)

260 I'm hearing the police caused death of Tyre Nichols in Memphis due is a bad one. I hope everyone's ready for the hordes that are going to come out.

Then I'm walking in Memphis
I was witnessing quite a scene
Walking in Memphis
And I emptied my magazine

- K Rittenhouse, (sort of covering Marc Cohn's "Walking in Memphis")

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (Bd6X8)

261 The Memphis cops will be railroaded--because that's standard operating procedure now, regardless of the particulars of this specific case.

When I see anecdotes of Memphis cops refusing to enforce Covid mandates, I might care.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 05:54 PM (U93OM)

262 Ace to NYC: "Drop Dead"

Posted by: occam's brassiere at January 27, 2023 05:54 PM (4fYsM)

263 • Progressivism is a form of narcissism.

• Unless you really are all that you think you are, a key part of narcissism is ignoring negative feedback.

∴ Negative feedback is culled out of the wider group conversation from people who are in this to feel good about how much they are and contribute to the community.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 05:54 PM (krQz2)

264 "Best of luck to you" DC and NYC

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (xcxpd)

265 261 The Memphis cops will be railroaded--because that's standard operating procedure now, regardless of the particulars of this specific case.

Some cops can be thugs too and this group appears to be

Posted by: It's me donna at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (bs+z0)

266 "Shilkrut is one of many parents who are dismayed by the city's dismantling of competitive education. He says he values diversity but ...."
No he doesn't value diversity, he's just paying lip service to the system that expects it. Ask him what specifically does he find value in diversity?
Someone has yet to prove to me how diversity somehow improves English, Mathematics, Science, etc.

Posted by: Ciampino - Hail Maries without meaning at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (qfLjt)

267 Every thread on the HQ comes to down to talking about cleavage.

Domestic, or that furin stuff?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (Bd6X8)

268 RNC is such a joke. More evidence we should’ve started a new party in 2010. They are obviously A-ok with losing. Trump will not buck that trend next time around if he wins the nomination. SAD!

Posted by: Cooldawg at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (FvNw3)

269 In the early 80s I spent some time at Fort Lewis one summer. I brought up my car with Kalifornia plates and got lots of hate. Looks like the spread of californication is complete up in Washington. Sorry.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 05:46 PM (u4CEu)

That was the same in Oregon. Cali transplants got a lot of shit and quickly exchanged license plates. Still, you knew they were from Cali by how they put the word "the" in front of the interstate. The 5 or the 84.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (iN5tc)

270 >The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism

Posted by: redridinghood at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (NpAcC)

I called it at 232

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (+G+lR)

271 Hiring because your some diversity you have soon you can't get rid of them because of diversity

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 05:55 PM (xhxe8)

272 Children of the Sun

https://youtu.be/XR2oct3zeTM

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (PyOKD)

273 252 The Memphis cops will be railroaded--because that's standard operating procedure now, regardless of the particulars of this specific case.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent
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That's for sure.
Five guys beat one guy to death.
They must have had a good reason.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (nDTNp)

274 255

'They burn shit down because they want to burn shit down'
Said it way better than I could. Any attempt to understand 'reasons' for a riot grants the premise that it is a protest because of something in the past instead of what it is. Intimidation to get future concessions.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (roH4R)

275 CNN has an opinion piece up by Van Jones-

The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism

Posted by: redridinghood at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (NpAcC)
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More WSoC.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (krQz2)

276 >>> 248 242 Serious question - if workers keep separating work and home location beyond a commuting distance - I.e. living in a different state - can/will employers base the salary on the cost of living where the worker resides? Is this already happening?
Posted by: InZona at January 27, 2023 05:49 PM (YSc55)

Don't see why employers couldn't do that. After all, part of the employee's calculation on acceptable salary is whether they can afford to live in a preferred spot while working there.
Posted by: Octochicken at January 27, 2023 05:52 PM (oCS0o)

It was mentioned as a possibility - very briefly - at my employer. Thus far we haven't had any layoffs either, but we'll see.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (llON8)

277 Seems like the Memphis white/black/LEO communities are united in a call for the protests to be peaceful.

Maybe...just this once...common sense will prevail.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (uLr+K)

278 Cleavage?

https://youtu.be/AqWNmk7pH3s

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld clip at January 27, 2023 05:56 PM (DhOHl)

279
I dunno I mean we're all kind of focusing on the Eagles here? probably not a big whoop here in Philly plus it's pretty cold out.

but ya never know

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 27, 2023 05:48 PM

Yeah, winter is not traditional riot season in Philly. I guess it depends on the supply chain availability of 164" wide screen televisions to watch Cincy get creamed by Philly.

But Wyatt not answering is concerning. He always answers.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 27, 2023 05:57 PM (enJYY)

280 Literally everything I've seen from a planner about cities in the last zillion years or so has been nonsense. What's this one try and engineer?
-
It's the WEF "You'll own nothing, including a car, eat bugs, and be happy" plan.
Posted by: Methos at January 27, 2023 05:44 PM (kOpft)

Oh that one again! I looked it up and yes its the same we will have lots of charming little areas in the urban area where we walk and stuff. Yeah, did that. Wasn't quite as charming and all that, but they ignore that you can't FIT a huge grocery store / tech store into your local zone. And mom-n-pop stores are cute, but have no selection and high prices. I drove well out of Chicago to shop in the burbs because it was tons cheaper and better selection.

The only zone I know like that growing up originally that was like that was a suburb that was where the wealthy owners and staff of city industrial plants lived rather than worked, one train stop from downtown.

You often see these days the artificial outgrowths of universities where the government and visiting students are pumping money into the area, but they are never self sustaining.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 05:57 PM (eoQWY)

281 "It's not just Seattle. Up north, Everett has it's shootings and down south, Tacoma has their shootings."

I'm glad my brother an his wife got out of there when they did. ~They~ couldn't afford to live somewhere that keeps itself safe and clean like Mercer Island.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 27, 2023 05:57 PM (+4Qbz)

282 Seems like the Memphis white/black/LEO communities are united in a call for the protests to be peaceful. Maybe...just this once...common sense will prevail.

I imagine the residents in Hell are united in a call for ice-water. But they probably shouldn't hold their breath.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 05:57 PM (U93OM)

283 "That said, with the economy the way it is, I can see lawlessness for the sake of looting"

They loot for fun and profit. Their ostensible 'outrage' is just a cover for hell-raising fun.

Posted by: CHATgp at January 27, 2023 05:57 PM (24fqN)

284 Is this one of those threads where someone says they hope New York gets blowed up or falls into the sea, and someone else gets mad because their sister's cousin's uncle's nephew lives there?

Because I like those threads.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2023 05:58 PM (GsG0V)

285 "It's not just Seattle. Our whole state is verpfutscht!"

...

Not sure if that fits on a license plate frame.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 05:58 PM (9UlRk)

286 258
Every thread on the HQ comes to down to talking about cleavage.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (DP9YX)
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Well that's the only excitement plane we have to look forward to.

Posted by: The Crystal System at January 27, 2023 05:59 PM (qfLjt)

287 Even thugs can be railroaded.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at January 27, 2023 05:59 PM (S7une)

288 They'll just go with it's Trump's fault because the HATE ! Just like some Dems are blaming Trump for the Pelosi "attack."

Posted by: It's me donna at January 27, 2023 05:48 PM (bs+z0)
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The "Party of Science" believes in Action at a Distance.

Posted by: Axeman at January 27, 2023 06:00 PM (krQz2)

289 Because I like those threads.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2023 05:58 PM (

Does it count if i hope my sister's cousin's uncle's nephew gets blowed up and falls into the sea?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 06:00 PM (9UlRk)

290 "Is this one of those threads where someone says they hope New York gets blowed up or falls into the sea, and someone else gets mad because their sister's cousin's uncle's nephew lives there? "

Kinda like the 'I hope DC gets vaporized' threads.

Till we think of the members of the Horde that we would lose.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 27, 2023 06:00 PM (uLr+K)

291 Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the "total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run."
===

Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh are naive, low balling, or propagandists. It is going to be far, far, far worse.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 27, 2023 06:00 PM (u4CEu)

292 I imagine the residents in Hell are united in a call for ice-water. But they probably shouldn't hold their breath.
Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 05:57 PM (U93OM)

In hell, holding one's breath is probably a good thing.

Assuming one's nostrils are not on fire or being eaten by aborted babies with sharpened teeth.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2023 06:01 PM (GsG0V)

293 But the progressives have now taken over and things are going downhill fast. Progressives ruin everything, it's what they do.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)

*Set a goal that cannot ever be measured for success/failure and is far, far into the future after they're out of office (or, even better, one that will never ever happen, like 0 car deaths in the state).
*Focus on that goal, campaign on that goal, put up propaganda about how important that goal is, dump tons of money into that goal, hire legions of government workers to work toward that goal.
*Ignore the current problems of the city because the future goal is JUST SO IMPORTANT!
*Live in a gated community on Mercer Island.

Posted by: 29Victor at January 27, 2023 06:01 PM (BJKQV)

294 Memphis has no redeeming qualities. I hope it burns to the ground.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 06:01 PM (D25PY)

295 Assuming one's nostrils are not on fire or being eaten by aborted babies with sharpened teeth.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2023 06:01 PM (GsG0V)

That's the most metal thing I've read all week.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (9UlRk)

296 I lived off and on in Boston for almost 20 years. Boston politics are even more dominated by Democrats than Massachusetts as a whole. But at least until I left it was dominated by old time Yankee Democrats not progressives.

It was an incredibly livable city. Not a tolerable place, a fantastic place to live. Clean, safe, lots of open space, restaurants, bars, museums, etc.. I lived a few blocks from Fenway and could walk to the Garden. The Charles River and the Esplanade were across the street and we had free concerts and movies under the stars. It was an awesome place to live.

But the progressives have now taken over and things are going downhill fast. Progressives ruin everything, it's what they do.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2023 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)

The old time corrupt Dems knew that to get the next years harvest of skimming X off the top X had to be moderate. But our current zealot class haven't been taught any of that - some believe in a cause, some believe in grift but none have the common sense to realize you can't steal 110 percent off the top for long.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (eoQWY)

297 "Shilkrut is one of many parents who are dismayed by the city's dismantling of competitive education. "

Which he helped by voting Democrat like it's a team sport. And he will continue to do dutifully when he moves to a new city to wreck because, they'll get it right this time.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (SAX5G)

298 as the number of homeless people increases and as the fiscal ability of government to address these problems shrinks

It's not the fiscal ability that is failing to address things like homelessness. It's the moral weakness to actually do what's necessary that is failing/has failed. It's the politicians and their voters who have failed, not the accountants.

Posted by: GWB at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (B7zYP)

299 In hell, holding one's breath is probably a good thing.
Assuming one's nostrils are not on fire or being eaten by aborted babies with sharpened teeth.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2023 06:01 PM (GsG0V)

I guess it would depend on the term of abortion. Some of Gosnell's work had better teeth than I do.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (U93OM)

300 Memphis has no redeeming qualities. I hope it burns to the ground.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 06:01 PM (D25PY)

But, Pyramid!

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (eoQWY)

301 Depraved Sockoff.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 27, 2023 06:03 PM (VpRW7)

302 Nood. Freakshow Clowncar planet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 27, 2023 06:03 PM (zZu0s)

303 To be honest, SoCal where I was was a great place to live - in the 90s. Early aughts it started to change and then in the 20-teens you could tell things were getting worse. There was no longer a shine to the place. In the 2020s intolerable. So I didn't continue to tolerate it.

Posted by: InZona at January 27, 2023 06:03 PM (YSc55)

304 more challenging to provide public goods and services
There's no such thing as a public good, ONLY public services.

Posted by: GWB at January 27, 2023 06:03 PM (B7zYP)

305 But, Pyramid!

Their ammo prices are too damn high. Let it burn to.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 27, 2023 06:04 PM (D25PY)

306 Is there a fund for "Urban Doom Loop" because I'd like to invest.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 27, 2023 06:04 PM (Q4IgG)

307 CNN has an opinion piece up by Van Jones-

The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism

Posted by: redridinghood

And that's why he's recognized as a genius.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 27, 2023 06:04 PM (FVME7)

308 "Is this one of those threads where someone says they hope New York gets blowed up or falls into the sea, and someone else gets mad because their sister's cousin's uncle's nephew lives there? "

Kinda like the 'I hope DC gets vaporized' threads.

Till we think of the members of the Horde that we would lose.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 27, 2023 06:00 PM (uLr+K)

When the angel of the Lord comes, follow and don't look back, lest you be turned into a pillar of salt.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2023 06:04 PM (eoQWY)

309 Till we think of the members of the Horde that we would lose.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 27, 2023 06:00 PM (uLr+K)

I'd like it stipulated that we all hope everyone nice moves out first... then the place gets blowed up.

So we don't have to say it every time. Just assume that's to be taken for granted.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (GsG0V)

310 Democrats just re-elected the worst, most radical governor in NY who locked them down during COVID and helped kill off people in nursing homes. They also helped elect the most radical legislature in the entire country.

I don't believe these people are capable of changing, even as they watch a complete disaster form around them.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (SAX5G)

311 If I think about it, and not busy maybe watch football Saturday, haven't in years

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (xhxe8)

312 All these cities are following the Detroit plan, which is to destroy the city in order to control it for your criminal political gang. And that is the plan first outlined by Mayor Curley in Boston 100 years ago, as outlined in the famous Harvard paper, The Curley Effect.

It's not going to get better.

Posted by: Ultra pj at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (G1dq6)

313 DC may be the next city to die
GOOD! It was never supposed to be a residence, anyway. It was carved out from states BECAUSE it was supposed to just be a place of government.

Posted by: GWB at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (B7zYP)

314 "It's not just Seattle. Up north, Everett has it's shootings and down south, Tacoma has their shootings."

Seattle is down something like 200 cops and Tacoma 100. A client of mine in Tacoma (construction company) had their yard broken into - someone stole one of their big trucks, drove it right through the fence. The truck had GPS so they knew exactly where it was. They told the cops, the cops wouldn't do anything. Same company had a homeless woman living across the street for months, she'd cross the intersection to go to the bathroom in the neighboring parking lot. Cops would do nothing to get rid of her.

A friend of my just got (attempted) car-jacked in a part of town where that didn't used to happen.

My clients are hiring their own armed security. I've never had clients with armed security before.

Posted by: 29Victor at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (BJKQV)

315 99 ...Try getting a table at a high end place. ...
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 27, 2023 05:22 PM (gcGYv)

Middle class eating there?

Posted by: Flyover at January 27, 2023 06:09 PM (Rbu5d)

316 Democrats just re-elected the worst, most radical governor in NY who locked them down during COVID and helped kill off people in nursing homes. They also helped elect the most radical legislature in the entire country.

I don't believe these people are capable of changing, even as they watch a complete disaster form around them.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 27, 2023 06:05 PM (SAX5G)

You're forgetting that many Hocul voters were already locked down in their graves so they didn't notice.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at January 27, 2023 06:10 PM (FXT2u)

317 I doubt DC can die, it gets billions of tax money, businesses need to get there to get some of that. It has money to burn

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 06:10 PM (xhxe8)

318 Which he helped by voting Democrat like it's a team sport. And he will continue to do dutifully when he moves to a new city to wreck because, they'll get it right this time.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 27, 2023 06:02 PM (SAX5G)
_______________

"This time we've got the RIGHT people in charge!"

That's one of my favorites.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 27, 2023 06:11 PM (DP9YX)

319 Letting any area of DC to become residential was a tragic mistake

Posted by: Skip at January 27, 2023 06:12 PM (xhxe8)

320 Nice post by Ace. Which describes very well what is happening in Philadelphia as well. Empty office towers, empty store fronts, greatly reduced foot traffic, relatively few normies among massive numbers of drug zombies, drooling lunatics and mendacious youts. Dangerous, unproductive, rotting. I no longer go out to find lunch. I eat at my desk and at the end of the day, I cannot get out of that shithole fast enough

Posted by: Ex-GOP at January 27, 2023 06:13 PM (Tc2CN)

321 The cost of private schools in New York ranges from expensive to so expensive that only actual multimillionaires can afford it.
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And their kids go on to become pAntifa terrorist Marxists.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 27, 2023 06:14 PM (Vwz3I)

322 Lived in the suburbs of DFW most of my life.
Now live in a very small town in the country.
When I have to go to the cities for whatever reason, I can just feel the psychic pressure of all those thousands of people living in the area.
Not a good feeling.
I don't think we were supposed to live like this.
But I'm a big introvert, so ymmv.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at January 27, 2023 06:14 PM (wE246)

323 With all of this Doom lately isn't it time for a reappearance of Monty?

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 27, 2023 06:20 PM (7ZQe3)

324 The Democrats don't care about the urban doom loop. Look at Detroit. Sure, it's a hell hole, but it's a hell hole that always votes for Democrats.

Posted by: Dave at January 27, 2023 06:23 PM (nLwaa)

325 126...Funny how big city folks think we in ruralland don't have those amenities.
Posted by: SMH at January 27, 2023 05:26 PM (ifBkc)

We even have a flush toilet -- INDOORS~~!

Posted by: Flyover at January 27, 2023 06:26 PM (Rbu5d)

326 If parents don't fight for their kids then America is dead in those states.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 27, 2023 06:28 PM (nSEf/)

327 She's my urban doom coupe, you don't know what I got! (Urban doom coupe, you don't know what I got)

Posted by: Cicero Kabom! Kid at January 27, 2023 06:42 PM (3Or4S)

328 I have very little sympathy for big cities. The voters and municipal councils along wiyje states have legislated ludicrous zoning laws that guarantee downtown ghost towns the weekends. Specifically the pernicious obstinacy to ban mixed usage in the central areas forcing workers to commute. Further rents are thus unaffordable London is a good example of London where the working class is priced out.
In Montreal the commercial real estate has an average of 14,,1% vacancy rate. That's catastrophic. But I don't see anyone proposing to change the zoning laws

Posted by: Xavier Basora at January 27, 2023 06:54 PM (SfHia)

329 The law usually says, of people with disabilities, that society must make "reasonable accommodations."

The "reasonable" seems to have been written out of that formulation in today's Woke ClownWorld, and now society is demanded to make any and all accommodations to those who demand it.

++++

The whole idea of requiring businesses to make "reasonable accommodations" is bullshit. Bad enough if the government wants to stick its nose in and require this specific thing or that. But, using an amorphous like 'reasonable', with no definition is, well, unreasonable. People should be able to look at a law and know what is required of them.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 27, 2023 06:55 PM (gv7Yb)

330 oops, wrong thread

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 27, 2023 06:56 PM (gv7Yb)

331 Jesse Watters is playing some of the Tyre video. As it was just released

Posted by: redridinghood at January 27, 2023 07:15 PM (NpAcC)

332 In New York, I see lots of tax cert cases ahead (maybe the only growth industry in the city left). Where's Sheldon Silver when you need him?

Posted by: go get your fuckin shine box at January 27, 2023 07:39 PM (WusEB)

333 "Last year, I noted that New York was threatening to destroy its magnet school program. Magnet schools are competitive schools where only higher-performing students are permitted in.

These are extremely important, because they're the only thing keeping high-income but not super-rich families in New York. The cost of private schools in New York ranges from expensive to so expensive that only actual multimillionaires can afford it."

That's not entirely true. When I attended Bronx Science eons ago, we did have a number of Upper East Side WASPs who either couldn't afford fancy prep school tuitions (like for Collegiate, Chapin, Brearly, et al.) or refused to pay them.

However, we had a LOT more kids who lived in Westchester and were registering from their grandparents or other family addresses in the Bronx. Most likely that's still going on.

Posted by: go get your fuckin shine box at January 27, 2023 07:50 PM (WusEB)

334 OMG. Thank you for this. I really needed some happy news and this absolutely brightened my day.

It really is heartening to hear about the suffering of so many people who have heaped so much suffering upon the rest of us.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 27, 2023 08:08 PM (yQY8F)

335 I called Seattle's demise 24 years ago. See the
1999 Seattle WTO protests. All my conservative friends said I was wrong. "America would never fall victim to a bunch of nutcases." Fucking idiots. Now most if those same conservatives are cheering on bidens america/russia proxy war. Fucking insane idiots.

Posted by: MikeN at January 27, 2023 08:10 PM (yQSoz)

336 334 OMG. Thank you for this. I really needed some happy news and this absolutely brightened my day.

It really is heartening to hear about the suffering of so many people who have heaped so much suffering upon the rest of us.
Posted by: insurgen
****
And you call yourself an American. Insane idiot.

Posted by: MikeN at January 27, 2023 08:12 PM (yQSoz)

337 Yes. But was he an austere scholar?

Posted by: Joe kidtoucher at January 27, 2023 08:31 PM (wUCk1)

338 Detroit, gary, Minneapolis just a sampling of destruction wrong decades ago by the last boom and bust and crime.

Posted by: beckydotdata at January 27, 2023 09:25 PM (uiI3M)

339 You subsidize crime; Appalachian the lawless’ terrorize the po;ice’ ignore the descent people’ recruit the dregs and we’re surprised that the law of the jungle prevails?

Urban centers are hives of villainy, perversion, and evil.

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