Big Pharma Covid Vaccine Manufacturers Pressured Twitter To Censor Activists... Calling for Generic Versions of the Vaccine

These people weren't spreading vaccine hesitancy.

They were calling for a low-cost generic competitor to Big Pharma's vaccines.

So, obviously, they also had to be censored.

BioNTech -- makers of the Pfizer vaccine -- contacted a lobbyist for Twitter in Euope named Nina Morschhaeuser to tell them of an emergency: an activist group in Europe was planning a pressure campaign to get Big Pharma to share its vaccine patents so that the vaccines could be made cheaply by other countries.

Well, obviously, that's some kind of Threat or something.

This got spun into "fake accounts" and "hacking" threats, the sort of thing Twitter would respond to. Morschhaueuser dutifully relayed the warning to her colleagues at Twitter, sounding the alarms for battlestations.


"The authorities are warning about 'serious consequences' of the action, i.e. posts and a flood of comments 'that may violate TOS' as well as the 'takeover of user accounts' are to be expected," wrote Morschhaeuser. "Especially the personal accounts of the management of the vaccine manufacturers are said to be targeted. Accordingly, fake accounts could also be set up."

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Morschhaeuser, while alerting several site integrity and safety teams at Twitter, forwarded on an email from BioNTech spokesperson Jasmina Alatovic, who asked Twitter to "hide" activist tweets targeting her company's account over a period of two days.

Morschhaeuser flagged the corporate accounts of Pfizer, BioNTech, Moderna, and AstraZeneca for her colleagues to monitor and shield from activists. Morschhaeuser also asked colleagues to monitor the hashtags #PeoplesVaccine and #JoinCTAP, a reference to the World Health Organization's Covid-19 Technology Access Pool, a program promoted by developing countries to accelerate the development of vaccines through the equitable sharing of research and manufacturing capacity. She noted that the group Global Justice Now was spearheading the action with an online sign-up form.

She's asking her fellow Twitter employees to monitor all these political accounts on behalf of Big Pharma.

Fang says it's "not clear" what action, if any, Twitter took on behalf of BioNTech; he doesn't have full access to all of Twitter's emails. His deal is that he can request a search for emails with keywords, and hope that he gets all the emails responsive to that search.

I'm guessing that Twitter did not actually censor anyone, though they probably did monitor, as a compromise. I don't think they'd be quick to censor an obviously left-wing cause, and not when the people asking for it are so transparently self-interested.

Asked for comment, BioNTech essentially said "f*** off." They gave a nonresponsive answer that did not touch the actual question about their attempt to get Twitter to interceded against a political campaign they didn't like, instead saying, that BioNTech "takes its societal responsibility seriously and is investing in solutions to improve the health of people regardless of their income." Well la-di-dah.


Corporations have speech rights, you know.

It's just citizens who don't.

Now I actually do think that BioNTech does have the right to attempt to bully another corporation into acting as its censor. This isn't a government acting to bully a corporation while it publicly threatens punitive regulation against it if it doesn't get what it wants. You know, what David French calls "jawboning."

But it's a close call, given that Pfizer was a government partner corporation through this period. (I should find out the German for "partner corporation."_

And all of this is going on with monopoly speech platforms. Monopoly. Behind our backs.

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 03:30 PM (LvTSG)

2 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 23, 2023 03:30 PM (uNylN)

3 I'll fetch em

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:30 PM (xhxe8)

4 Stopped to read the bold content.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 23, 2023 03:30 PM (uNylN)

5 Imagine this. Fascism is pretty fascistic sometimes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:30 PM (zZu0s)

6 Bold strategy, Cotton...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (Do5/p)

7 st?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (t0OGg)

8 That's a bold statement, Lamont!

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (PZvjL)

9 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

10 I read the content. Rookie mistake.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (t0OGg)

11 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (T4tVD)

12 And all of this is going on with monopoly speech platforms. Monopoly. Behind our backs.
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Nah.

Under your nose.

And if you think this is bad, this ain't nothing.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (GiAYj)

13 Lamont gives way to Ace. Ace fubars his own blog.

Long live Lamont.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

14 I hope that Big Pharma pays for the deaths someday

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (xhxe8)

15 And just like that...Lamont was gone !

Posted by: JT at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (T4tVD)

16 Hello, JT.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (GiAYj)

17 Lamont may be a big dummy, but he's not the one that emboldened the whole page.

Posted by: Hands at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (786Ro)

18 I'm all outa snark at the moment.

Fuq these guys...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (CCSxw)

19 In our new feudalism, corporations are like titles of aristocracy--founded by some scoundrel and then given via succession to a variety of inbred decadent aristos.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (bDjBG)

20 8 That's a bold statement, Lamont!
Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 03:31 PM (PZvjL)

It certainly is, you big dummy!

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (7wsOD)

21 I am emboldened to comment.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (ZXbyL)

22 "partner corporation."

ein buttenfukenbottom

Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (JjNlG)

23 Or maybe not.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:33 PM (ZXbyL)

24 More reason to burn twatter with fire. It is evil and serves no useful purpose for society.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:33 PM (Zz0t1)

25 Fang says it's "not clear" what action, if any, Twitter took on behalf of BioNTech; he doesn't have full access to all of Twitter's emails. His deal is that he can request a search for emails with keywords, and hope that he gets all the emails responsive to that search.
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Did they suppress or did they just "monitor?" I dunno. I don't much care. They didn't do anything like say, "screw you. It would be grossly unethical and probably illegal and we're not doing it and we're reporting you to the authorities."

They were *never* going to say that. This demand was made because the person doing the demanding had a reasonable expectation of being listened to because that is how the system *works.* Whether Twitter did it or not in this particular context is less important than the fact that this is the way things work and everyone well-connected knows it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:33 PM (t0OGg)

26 I can't remember if things were different five years ago but one thing I've noticed while watching TV:

Pfizer is all over the place with commercials.

Either trying to get ahead or feeling their full weight.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 23, 2023 03:33 PM (KbCG3)

27 Hiya SMH !

Posted by: JT at January 23, 2023 03:33 PM (T4tVD)

28 But I'm sure the suppression of information and use of law cost Invermectin was on the up and up.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (YwvLg)

29 Honestly, I've written off Pharma and NJ (but I repeat myself). Its just a drug cartel. To expect anything but that would be a mistake.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (GKqIR)

30 If everyone would just refuse to take the vaccine this will go away.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (sI15f)

31 To boldly go where no man has gone before!

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (IV8Hw)

32 Bold words. Not that I disagree. Tired of the "vaxx" debates with family. Can't believe my supposedly "open-minded" family is so all-in on what the government says.

Posted by: NC Ref at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (w3DYt)

33 Chuy took Lamont out behind the barn and is kicking his ass.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (ZXbyL)

34 I call that bold talk for a dummy like Lamont

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (0hOvj)

35 Jawboning to David French is when he dislocates his jaw to fit the BIG cocks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (Zz0t1)

36 Why India passed on the Pfizer clot shot:

https://tinyurl.com/bdhxdj48

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (GiAYj)

37 instead saying, that BioNTech "takes its societal responsibility seriously and is investing in solutions to improve the health of people regardless of their income."
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Nice, sanitized corporate press release speech. At least five publicists and marketeers were probably involved in crafting that initially. The people who assembled this release probably copied it directly from their press kit when it comes to scheduled/planned press releases involving "social awareness" of one type or another.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (t0OGg)

38 Lamont -

You are missing a key piece. BioNTech was connected to the University of Pennsylvania. Penn was getting patent royalties on every vaccine Pfizer and Moderna sold. To date those payments have totaled over $1 billion.

And we all know who Penn is connected ot.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (ZLI7S)

39 What happened to Lamont the Big Dummy?
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH HIM?!

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (dvbwR)

40 I wonder what movie we'll talk about in this thread.

Posted by: spindrift at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (h5TKJ)

41 It seems those in power are always quick to censor, ban, silence, liquidate, abolish and marginalize those that disagree with them to make bigger profits for themselves.

Must be a lotta money in them there little china flu shots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (yEMHD)

42 development of vaccines through the equitable sharing of research and manufacturing capacity


There's that word again.

Posted by: Hands at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (786Ro)

43 Why is Ace referring to himself as Lamont the big dummy? Did he lose a bet to Redd Foxx?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (H6QkV)

44 Pfizer is all over the place with commercials.

Either trying to get ahead or feeling their full weight.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer


Get ahead. Young bodies are dropping from heart attacks and blood clots that are unexplainable.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (IV8Hw)

45 But it's a close call, given that Pfizer was a government partner corporation through this period. (I should find out the German for "partner corporation."
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I have gotten to the point where I assume there is little if any practical difference between the government and any enterprise with over 500 employees or more than a billion dollars in annual revenue.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (t0OGg)

46 If you needed one more reason to despise the NFL, the Los Angeles Rams will now be supporting Bloomberg's anti-Second Amendment group.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (8Voqu)

47 quick hits -

* Monopoly (or tiny oligopoly). That's it, that's the issue here. Oh - and a dumbed down public. And dead "politics". And no opposition party. But mostly the monopoly thing.

* forgot the other hit

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (OTzUX)

48
Lamont wants us all in The Barrel.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (n+4am)

49 Hey twitter!
Yeah. You! Twitter.
I'm right here. That's right. I'm right here you miserable shits.
Come and censor me you scu.......

Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (anj39)

50 Posted by: Hands at January 23, 2023 03:32 PM (786Ro)

Thank you, Hands, for de-boldening the comments.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (dvbwR)

51 Did John Wayne ever do sci-fi?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (ZXbyL)

52 Have a neighbor up the street that argued with me that HCQ caused heart conditions and was just too risky and very foolish of Trump to recommend it for Covid.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)

53 I wonder what movie we'll talk about in this thread.
Posted by: spindrift


Beyond The Green Door.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (IV8Hw)

54 BUT WE MUST NOT TOUCH MUH MONOPOLY BIG TECH!!!

Posted by: NRO bloggers who stay bought at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (N1tpc)

55 Pfizer is all over the place with commercials.

Either trying to get ahead or feeling their full weight.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 23, 2023 03:33 PM (KbCG3)
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They have been a *huge* sponsor of more or less everything for a long time. It ramped up hugely during COVID but it wasn't actually new. If you're producing propaganda, Pfizer wants to sponsor you.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (t0OGg)

56 39 What happened to Lamont the Big Dummy?
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH HIM?!
Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:35 PM (dvbwR)

Yeah, ace's resolve to post as Lamont lasted about as long as his resolve during a sensual video starring Angela White and Strawberry.

Or maybe people were asking who this Lamont character was too much.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (zZu0s)

57 Just know that we and our good friends in the Chamber of Commerce will not rest for a solitary moment until light is shone on these scandals and bad actors are held accountable to the fullest extent punishable by law.

Now let's go get something to eat.

Posted by: Republicans at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (194Vt)

58 "to accelerate the development of vaccines through the equitable sharing of research and manufacturing capacity. She noted that the group Global Justice Now was spearheading"

So when it was a full-on commie group attacking the fascist corporate-government pharma partnership the corporate-government social media platform sided with fellow fascists. How unsurprising.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (3cGpq)

59 Good afternoon everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (qoGsy)

60 Every drug store I drive by has their marquee lit up with "Hurry, Hurry, Hurry, get your covid vax here now". Soon to be followed by "We carry Warfarin".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (lz5hY)

61 If you needed one more reason to despise the NFL, the Los Angeles Rams will now be supporting Bloomberg's anti-Second Amendment group.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (8Voqu)



I still fail to understand why they keep putting football teams in LA. Mexicans like futbol. Not football.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (Zz0t1)

62 an activist group in Europe was planning a pressure campaign to get Big Pharma to share its vaccine patents so that the vaccines could be made cheaply by other countries.
______________

In unrelated news, a lot of guys are pressuring Justin Verlander to share Kate Upton.

"Share its vaccine patents?" Ask to license them, ideally on generous terms, sure, but just "share" them? GFY. Europeans are such parasites. Just like they want us to "share" our military to sort out their problems, e.g., in Kosovo.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (yPXGm)

63 Our ruling class is the worst we've had in this country.

It's like they WANT to cause another French Revolution, with them in the guillotines.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (N1tpc)

64 Thank you, Hands, for de-boldening the comments.
Posted by: m at January 23, 2023



It was either that or wait for Lamont to do it

Posted by: Hands at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (786Ro)

65 51 Did John Wayne ever do sci-fi?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (ZXbyL)

No. I think he let Sean Connery fill that big red diaper.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (zZu0s)

66 Since for a large and growing number of people the clot shot is viewed as a colossal failure, you'd think Pfizer and Moderna would want a generic version, if they had it to do over.

By the way, vax-related joke from yesterday: I thought the Bills choked in their game, but my left-wing sister insists it was commotio cordis.

Posted by: Wally at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (FJYfm)

67 Wait a minute. 'Fang'? Who is 'Fang'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (oo0rP)

68 Honestly, what CEO who killed grandma thinks its a good idea to fly to Davos and hang out with Klaus Schwabb and all the other Bond Villains? Cereally.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (GKqIR)

69 30 If everyone would just refuse to take the vaccine this will go away.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (sI15f)

Or their sixth booster or whatever number they're up to, now.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (dvbwR)

70 Why India passed on the Pfizer clot shot:

https://tinyurl.com/bdhxdj48
Posted by: SMH

Too many Chiefs ?

Posted by: JT at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (T4tVD)

71 Now I actually do think that BioNTech does have the right to attempt to bully another corporation into acting as its censor.

We're way past this point. We live in a world of heavily regulated pharma companies with a revolving door between government officials, lobbyists, and company employees.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (YwvLg)

72 I should find out the German for "partner corporation."


Partnerunternehmen.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (IV8Hw)

73 Ok.

Who fixed the post......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)

74 All joking aside, I think the reason some threads turn into movie talk is that the topic is so unhappy and impossible. What are we supposed to do about the president of the United States being corrupt and mishandling documents? What power do we have to stop it? How can we get justice done?

We just sit and watch the same people who screamed that we should crucify Donald Trump for having documents in his house he legally was allowed to have, are acting like its no big deal for Biden to have them scattered all over his properties, which is illegal for him.

What is there to talk about it? What is there to say? "yep, that sucks". So the conversation drifts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (0hOvj)

75 "Morschhaeuser" is German for "rotten houses".

Seems appropriate.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (ynVvt)

76 Come on, muh sportsball. Can't let a little thing like constant enthusiastic participation in the lynch mob degrading the culture and country affect one's sportz loyalties.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (OTzUX)

77 73 Ok.

Who fixed the post......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)

Probably CBD.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (zZu0s)

78 wonder what movie we'll talk about in this thread.
Posted by: spindrift


Beyond The Green Door.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January

Nah, the Horse Soldiers movie. We haven't refaught the civil war in a couple of days.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (Ost2s)

79 No. I think he let Sean Connery fill that big red diaper.
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Snort. And I've never even seen Zardoz.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (GKqIR)

80 Since for a large and growing number of people the clot shot is viewed as a colossal failure, you'd think Pfizer and Moderna would want a generic version...
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Well, since they are banking hundreds of millions of dollars...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (oo0rP)

81 Leave Lamont alone.
He just went over to Aunt Esthers to eat some gorilla cookies.

Posted by: Gunslinger at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (R2gO3)

82 Get ahead. Young bodies are dropping from heart attacks and blood clots that are unexplainable.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (IV8Hw)
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Michael Yon:

"But jabbers argued with us and demanded we follow them into the grave. We said no. No. NO. NO! “Please do not take the jab,” we said. We begged. Hours and hours of calls, messages, visits.

We said do not jab. Or we may be forced to leave from you. I love you, but this means goodbye. They slipped away.

Entire nations literally may have just killed themselves with jabs, weaponized migration, and famines on scale the earth never has seen."

https://tinyurl.com/4f8hv6y7


Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (GiAYj)

83 Have a neighbor up the street that argued with me that HCQ caused heart conditions and was just too risky and very foolish of Trump to recommend it for Covid.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)
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HCQ has side effects. All drugs have side effects. On of the side effects of HCQ is rapid heartbeat It's rare and usually in combination with something else. Other side effects are blurred vision and, if you take large doses for a long time, retinal damage.

The side effects are fairly rare, but they're there. HCQ is a generally safe drug with an extremely long track record, and the interactions and risks are well understood.

HCQ - like Ivermectin - was subjected to a lot of noise in this regard. It's as if HCQ is the only drug that ever had side effects, or the only drug for which side effects were potentially dangerous. There is no free lunch. Not ever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (t0OGg)

84 And all of this is going on with monopoly speech platforms. Monopoly. Behind our backs.

Posted by: Ace at 03:30 PM

No, with this, the election and the J6 starchamber, they were pretty much doing everything right out in the open and daring anyone to say nay.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (zZu0s)

85 I think Sweden had ditched any more Fake Vax, or maybe thinking about it

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (xhxe8)

86 Note: I am not arguing that ACE should not post about this stuff; his commentary, thoughts, and connecting to other info is not just interesting, but useful. I'm just saying some topics are not easy to maintain in conversation as others.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (0hOvj)

87 Anniversary of the Battle of Rourke's Drift is today - break out your copy of Zulu and enjoy!

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (oWBc3)

88 51 Did John Wayne ever do sci-fi?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (ZXbyL)

No. I think he let Sean Connery fill that big red diaper.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (zZu0s)

Set in 2023, btw.

Posted by: The Neighborhood Watch Alliance, Sanford at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (4I/2K)

89

Why, it's almost as if GlobalaPowerFascists merged with GobalTechCorp and ended up with a ruling class very much and well represented in the movie Rollerball...

Posted by: WEF at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (g2MLA)

90 a lobbyist for Twitter in Euope named Nina Morschhaeuser

Nina "Rotten Houses"!? Whose terrible novel am I in?

Posted by: spindrift at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (h5TKJ)

91 Young Football Star Needs a New Heart After Major Heart Attack

https://tinyurl.com/5xumt2fw

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (GiAYj)

92 The Vaccines* work, The Vaccines* are safe, The Vaccines* are effective.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 23, 2023 03:42 PM (sm3rd)

93
Entire nations literally may have just killed themselves with jabs, weaponized migration, and famines on scale the earth never has seen."

https://tinyurl.com/4f8hv6y7


Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (GiAYj)



I'm waiting for the Israeli population to start dwindling. Hitler is laughing at how it only took a plandemic to get them to self-immolate.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:42 PM (Zz0t1)

94 78 YouTube probably has History of the Luger pistol, so we compromise and make it a gun thread.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 23, 2023 03:42 PM (lz5hY)

95 Just think how many needless cardiac deaths Big pharma and Big Tech are responsible for.

Had people been allowed to post information from doctors recommending therapeutics and sounding the alarm about the vaccine a lot of people would be alive today.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 23, 2023 03:42 PM (NpAcC)

96 Let's see:

Trump gets raped by Thinkpol. That's OK.

Biden has consensual sex with Thinkpol. That's SUPER OK.

Posted by: Kurtz at January 23, 2023 03:42 PM (zWl33)

97 >>Well, since they are banking hundreds of millions of dollars...

Many billions of dollars.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 23, 2023 03:42 PM (ZLI7S)

98 Nah, the Horse Soldiers movie. We haven't refaught the civil war in a couple of days.
Posted by: Beartooth at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (Ost2s)

Horse Soldiers is not a bad movie, just not that great. There is an echelon of Wayne movies that fall in this category. I think Train Robbers is in the same category, but quite a bit better.

Think about the dinner scene with Ann Margeret. Mmmmmm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:43 PM (zZu0s)

99 Did John Wayne ever do sci-fi?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:37 PM (ZXbyL)


Well. I love the Duke. He's even a fraternity brother. But I don't want to see him in a sparkly space suit.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:43 PM (anj39)

100 They were calling for a low-cost generic competitor to Big Pharma's vaccines.

Here's the problem: a generic vaccine could not be trusted to maim the population. That kills our future revenue stream of sickly and dependent vaccinated.

Posted by: Pfizer at January 23, 2023 03:43 PM (IyauK)

101 ... "But jabbers argued with us and demanded we follow them into the grave. We said no. No. NO. NO! “Please do not take the jab,” we said. We begged. Hours and hours of calls, messages, visits. ...
Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (GiAYj)
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Maybe he did. I did not. Whether or not get the vaccine is, like all medical decisions, one that must be made individually based on his own personal risk assessment. For me, my risk assessment said, "do not take." Some people had different risk assessments for themselves. They can do what they want.

I just don't want compulsion to be involved, or deceit. Make your sales pitch. Do it without lying to me. The decision, however, is mine. Same for everyone else.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:43 PM (t0OGg)

102 There's going to be some serious class action lawsuits in the future. I realize all the safety nets put in place to shield the pharma's from responsibility, but someone will figure out a way to go after them and reap some mega amounts of cash in the process. Lawyers are all greedy sons of bitches, but not everyone of them is stupid.

Once that happens the floodgates will open.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (Q4IgG)

103 86 Note: I am not arguing that ACE should not post about this stuff; his commentary, thoughts, and connecting to other info is not just interesting, but useful. I'm just saying some topics are not easy to maintain in conversation as others.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I didn't take your original post that way. Simply, you get gallows humor when all one sees is evidence of decivilizing Western society in process.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (bDjBG)

104 Monopoly (or tiny oligopoly). That's it, that's the issue here. Oh - and a dumbed down public. And dead "politics". And no opposition party. But mostly the monopoly thing.

* forgot the other hit
Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (OTzUX)
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Monopoly? Moderna was founded in 2010. We're not talking about a tiny oligopoly either. Biotech startups abound. Pfizer and Moderna just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Isis Pharmaceuticals (which changed its name, for obvious reasons) is kinda generally in the same space, and was founded in 1989. They just were not playing the tuba on the day it rained gold.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (yPXGm)

105 I've been wondering about Moderna's role in all this. The massive ongoing marketing blitz is famously "sponsored by Pfizer and Biontech" but Moderna's been radio silence. Maybe they're happy to just make and sell a product to those who want it without a lot of marketing BS. Or maybe they're the Don Barzini of the Covid rackets, quietly masterminding the whole plot with lobbyists and proxies. ("Bourla's a pimp, he never could have outfought wuflu...")

My money's on door number one, but it's interesting to observe who says what and who doesn't say anything.

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (PZvjL)

106 So now I'm starting to wonder if all of these flu "shots" are as effective as the Clot Shot. 'Cuz many's the time that I have dutifully taken my flu shot, just to get hit with what is definitely one of the flu variants rolling through the country. And that stupid shot didn't do ANYTHING to keep me from feeling like Death Warmed Over for a week.

And I know that it is The Flu if I would be happier having someone just shoot me and put me out of my misery, rather than live another minute.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (e6bHS)

107 How many CEOs who required the jab for continued employment can still sleep at night? I kid, I kid.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (oWBc3)

108 Leave Lamont alone.
He just went over to Aunt Esthers to eat some gorilla cookies.
Posted by: Gunslinger at January 23, 2023


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If Ace had not paired "Lamont" with "big dummy," I'd have missed the joke. I'd forgotten Fred Sanford's son's name. Fred, his late wife Elizabeth, and Aunt Esther I remembered, but not the son. Been a long time since I saw any of those episodes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (J2vNu)

109 43 Why is Ace referring to himself as Lamont the big dummy? Did he lose a bet to Redd Foxx?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 23, 2023 03:36 PM (H6QkV)

Front page, sidebar: He described a video of someone melting a sugar-based night of the dead (I think) head in a skillet, as a video of someone creating it.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (dvbwR)

110 Why, it's almost as if GlobalaPowerFascists merged with GobalTechCorp and ended up with a ruling class very much and well represented in the movie Rollerball...
Posted by: WEF at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (g2MLA)

Ladies and gentlemen, will you stand please for the playing of our Corporate Hymn.

Posted by: P.A. Announcer at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (4I/2K)

111 Whether or not get the vaccine is, like all medical decisions, one that must be made individually based on his own personal risk assessment.

Yeah. I advised my mom not to get it for a variety of reasons, and she agreed. Although it seems to be safer for the elderly than young; the side effects seem to primarily hit younger people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (0hOvj)

112 Lawyers are all greedy sons of bitches, but not everyone of them is stupid.

Once that happens the floodgates will open.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (Q4IgG)

They gave the drug companies immunity from lawsuit for any side effects of the Vaxx, no?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (zZu0s)

113 Did Lamont just get deplatformed?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 23, 2023 03:45 PM (eGTCV)

114 Why India passed on the Pfizer clot shot:

https://tinyurl.com/bdhxdj48
Posted by: SMH

Too many Chiefs ?
Posted by: JT at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (T4tVD)


Big brahma?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:45 PM (anj39)

115 Aetius @84 with a key observation.

It really is, and has been, blatant, brazen, and even histrionic, for a while. Doesn't mean there isn't a huge part of the iceberg below the water. But with a passive dumbed down public (enough of it), this prancing and strutting on the ruins of a great country is done with impunity - hell, it's rewarded.

Meanwhile, to reach back to a still-key indicator incident, if a presidential candidate walks into your yard and you ask him an easy/obvious question that he of course can't handle because he's an idiot, YOUR life is ruined - with state cooperation. Post-Stalin USSR, with much better consumer goods.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:45 PM (OTzUX)

116 Pfizer will probably allow Viagra to go OTC as a gesture of good will since they fucked everyone with the vax

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 03:45 PM (mR6Gs)

117 55% of Americans and 96% of the world is not paying attention to any of this.

They are just trying to stay warm because their governments suck.

Posted by: Czech Chick at January 23, 2023 03:45 PM (gcots)

118 Dr. Robert Malone says he can’t support Trump while ex-president stands by COVID-19 jabs

'Some people say that I saved 100 million lives worldwide,' Trump claimed this week.

https://tinyurl.com/2va56ryk

Posted by: redridinghood at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (NpAcC)

119 fcking filth

I will stop there...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (llON8)

120 They gave the drug companies immunity from lawsuit for any side effects of the Vaxx, no?

All it takes is one judge saying "immunity does not apply".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (0hOvj)

121 The left 2012: You know your local doctor will cut your foot off to make a little extra cash

The left 2022: If you don't believe that mega globo pharma corps will put your health above their profits you are a no good science hater.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (lc5cP)

122 Well. I love the Duke. He's even a fraternity brother. But I don't want to see him in a sparkly space suit.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:43 PM (anj39)

Agreed. Too bad Brad Pitt didn't get the memo though.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (Ost2s)

123 102 There's going to be some serious class action lawsuits in the future. I realize all the safety nets put in place to shield the pharma's from responsibility, but someone will figure out a way to go after them and reap some mega amounts of cash in the process. Lawyers are all greedy sons of bitches, but not everyone of them is stupid.

Once that happens the floodgates will open.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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End result is gubmint gets a huge amount of money in fines etc like in the opiod painkiller litigation. And, not so much as one thin dime to those suffering and dying prematurely due to vaxx. In 40 or 50 years or so, the gubmint will acknowledge wrongdoing like the internment of the Japanese Americans and give a piddling trivial payment to those affected that are still living.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (bDjBG)

124 106 So now I'm starting to wonder if all of these flu "shots" are as effective as the Clot Shot. 'Cuz many's the time that I have dutifully taken my flu shot, just to get hit with what is definitely one of the flu variants rolling through the country. And that stupid shot didn't do ANYTHING to keep me from feeling like Death Warmed Over for a week.

And I know that it is The Flu if I would be happier having someone just shoot me and put me out of my misery, rather than live another minute.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (e6bHS)

Flu Shots are guesstimate vaccinations. They don't really know what strain is going to be running around next year, they make a best guess and vaccinate you for something along those lines. So the expectation is that they really only work some of the time(when they guess close enough).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (eYoxG)

125 I've been wondering about Moderna's role in all this. The massive ongoing marketing blitz is famously "sponsored by Pfizer and Biontech" but Moderna's been radio silence. Maybe they're happy to just make and sell a product to those who want it without a lot of marketing BS. ...
Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (PZvjL)
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They're spending their money differently. Moderna is a one-trick pony. They have mRNA and that's it. There's a reason that MRNA is their ticker symbol. I think they're happy to book the profits and spend it on regulatory activity (that is, bribery) rather than on marketing. Moderna goes to zero if either liability shields fail *or* mRNA-based stuff faces the kinds of regulatory hurdles it historically has. Either of those things can send the company to the ash heap of history.

They're not buying ad time and sponsoring everything under the sun, but I strongly suspect they're greasing a *lot* of palms in Washington and elsewhere.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (t0OGg)

126
Yeah. I advised my mom not to get it for a variety of reasons, and she agreed. Although it seems to be safer for the elderly than young; the side effects seem to primarily hit younger people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (0hOvj)



I'm seeing that EVERYONE taking the mRNA will have organ damage. The youth in society tend to be more athletic than the older generations, so their issues are more prevalant.

My thought, anyway.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (Zz0t1)

127 Jay - was referring to media/social media, not pharma, WRT oligopoly. Reacting to ace's point in the post.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (OTzUX)

128 Dr. Robert Malone says he can’t support Trump while ex-president stands by COVID-19 jabs

Yeah. If I hadn't already opposed a Trump run over his age and the fact that a Republican cannot win, so what's the point, this would be a serious consideration. Its a big blind spot with him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (0hOvj)

129 @65 John Wayne playing Genghis Khan qualifies as sci-fi

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (D4TsQ)

130 All it takes is one judge saying "immunity does not apply".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (0hOvj)


This is an important point. There is NO law in America. Unfortunately, "republican judges" like to pretend there is. But find one that isn't stupid or co-opted (which is almost all of them) and...well...you might get some justice.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (lc5cP)

131 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (yPXGm)

132 Off topic:

A Michigan prosecutor quoted Robert E. Lee on his birthday.

It was a quote about how war is a horrible thing and how it destroys everything.

Nothing else. For merely quoting the man he now must be cancelled. Thankfully, nothing has happened to him so far, but there is no nuance for people that the left has unpersoned.

He, of course, apologized for DARING to reference an unperson.

https://tinyurl.com/2tzrc4ts

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (N1tpc)

133 It gets worse.

The FDA Wants to Interfere in the Practice of Medicine
A little-noticed provision of the omnibus spending bill could give the agency power to ban off-label use of approved therapies.

https://tinyurl.com/2274cas8
Pharma owns your doctors.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (9qHsE)

134 Well. I love the Duke. He's even a fraternity brother. But I don't want to see him in a sparkly space suit.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:43 PM (anj39)

Not even in Outland? The High Noon / Roadhouse in space?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (4I/2K)

135 John Wayne playing Genghis Khan qualifies as sci-fi
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (D4TsQ)


And a big dose of willing suspension of disbelief.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (anj39)

136 How many CEOs who required the jab for continued employment can still sleep at night? I kid, I kid.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (oWBc3)
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They sleep just fine...they salve their consciences believing they are good and just people, regardless of the actual outcome.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (YIVH2)

137 Jay - was referring to media/social media, not pharma, WRT oligopoly. Reacting to ace's point in the post.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (OTzUX)
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OK. Fair enough. I misunderstood.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (yPXGm)

138 YouTube probably has History of the Luger pistol, so we compromise and make it a gun thread.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 23, 2023


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I *loved* the Luger, the time I fired one at the range. Marvelous pistol; it felt like it was made for my hand.

Then I remember Donald Hamilton having Matt Helm describe the Luger as "a gun that pulls around sixteen corners before it gets to where the bullet goes off," and I wonder.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (J2vNu)

139 https://youtu.be/r1tMgptVe7I
Zulu Dawn

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (xhxe8)

140 They gave the drug companies immunity from lawsuit for any side effects of the Vaxx, no?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

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In common law, there is a saying that one must come to court with clean hands. In this case, you would get the FDA to stab Pfizer etc. in the back as they did to the makers of opiod painkillers. Fraud generally vitiates immunity as the FDA under political pressure will probably declare all the trials conducted by Moderna and Pfizer as faked in order to get the EUA and immunity.

The ones that will pay will be Pfizer and Moderna shareholders but the execs and Congress critters will have already cashed out. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (bDjBG)

141 Who is Fang?


That guy’s a real snake.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (ZXbyL)

142 Covid is MUCH more dangerous for the elderly. It isn't clear how much the clot shot really protects from the symptoms of COVID or even which one is better*.

But if we presume there is SOME benefit from the clot shot, this becomes a cost benefit analysis where you shouldn't get the shot below a certain age.

*The clot shot is pretty much the only product that you aren't even allowed to discuss which version is better...odd isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (lc5cP)

143 131 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (yPXGm)

Except that I, for example, was waiting to see what would happen. I was NOT clamoring for a vaccine. If there were no downsides to the vaccine, I would STILL, at this point, look back at my decision as mine and fine. And there are a lot of people like me.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (dvbwR)

144 Did you miss the sarc tag Jay? Otherwise, very Kamala-esque.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (oWBc3)

145 It gets worse.

How Big Pharma Actually Spends Its Massive Profits
Jan 6, 2023 Julia Rock
New research shows that pharmaceutical companies have spent more on enriching shareholders than drug research and development over the past decade.

https://tinyurl.com/2u5acv8c
Between 2012 and 2021, the 14 largest publicly-traded pharmaceutical companies spent $747 billion on stock buybacks and dividends -- substantially more than the $660 billion they spent on research and development, according to a new study by economists William Lazonick, professor emeritus of economics at University of Massachusetts, and Oner Tulum, a researcher at Brown University.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (9qHsE)

146 John Wayne playing Genghis Khan qualifies as sci-fi
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (D4TsQ)


And a big dose of willing suspension of disbelief.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (anj39)

And a big dose of radiation during filming up wind from the nuclear test site. Probably contributed to his cancer.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (OgrpQ)

147 I should find out the German for "partner corporation."

Heh. My suggestion got rejected for being a long, unbroken string of text.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (IyauK)

148 I'm seeing that EVERYONE taking the mRNA will have organ damage. The youth in society tend to be more athletic than the older generations, so their issues are more prevalant.

My thought, anyway.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (Zz0t1)
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There's a problem, though, and that problem is whether it's the mechanism that did it. The findings from Colombia - which used Sinovac, which is a traditional vaccine and not mRNA - look a lot like ours. Lots of blood clotting and cardiac damage.

If it's the spike protein that's dangerous rather than the mRNA, then anyone who was vaccinated at all - mRNA or traditional - faces those consequences at whatever rates they occur.

That could be good news for mRNA, though mRNA is still a very hot topic because it is getting close to or over the line (depending on who you ask) of human genetic engineering.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (t0OGg)

149 We were lied to, on an epic scale.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (Xrfse)

150 There is a series on YouTube of weapons in the movies, very informative. Try looking up any weapon on YouTube it probably will come up

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (xhxe8)

151 Bioweapon sale:

https://tinyurl.com/22yww7r6

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (GiAYj)

152 >>> 106 So now I'm starting to wonder if all of these flu "shots" are as effective as the Clot Shot. 'Cuz many's the time that I have dutifully taken my flu shot, just to get hit with what is definitely one of the flu variants rolling through the country. And that stupid shot didn't do ANYTHING to keep me from feeling like Death Warmed Over for a week.

And I know that it is The Flu if I would be happier having someone just shoot me and put me out of my misery, rather than live another minute.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (e6bHS)

That's exactly what my cow-orkers from a previous job experienced, and they could never understand why *I* didn't want to get flu shots.

Given everything else going on I now wonder if those were 'training' for the woofloo shots.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (llON8)

153 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them.

They faked their original approval data and worked with Fauci with full knowledge his research created COVID in the first place. The leadership of both companies should get a Nuremberg style trial and hang.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (lc5cP)

154 They sleep just fine...they salve their consciences believing they are good and just people, regardless of the actual outcome.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (YIVH2)

I think there are a number of people who don't GAF about being good or just.

Posted by: Republicans at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (4jhOQ)

155 We were lied to, on an epic scale.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (Xrfse)
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You have no idea.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (GiAYj)

156 At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine

For a cold? No, everyone was not clamoring for a vaccine.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (IyauK)

157 129 @65 John Wayne playing Genghis Khan qualifies as sci-fi
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (D4TsQ)

Ah-so!

Posted by: Christopher Lee as Fu Manchu at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (PiwSw)

158 All it takes is one judge saying "immunity does not apply".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (0hOvj)
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One of the critical functions of the law is to provide predictability. If yesterday's law is abrogated today, there is no predictability. Where there's no predictability, at least in the law, people will not take economic risks. Who invests in Somalia?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (yPXGm)

159 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (yPXGm)
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There did seem to be a lot of PUSH for vaccines, but there were also a lot of skeptical voices around here at least, that weren't sure they were a good idea based on previous attempts at manufacturing such vaccines.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (YIVH2)

160 I diverge from people who think those who have gotten a vaccine are doomed to die much earlier than normal lifespans. The data I've seen says that the vaccine has a dangerous # of bad, even fatal side effects and that the virus is not all that dangerous for folks under 60. But the data don't indicate that 50% of those that got jabbed will die. The vaccine should have been, should be yanked off the market because 1-5% or whatever the actual statistic is, is way way too high.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (3cGpq)

161 Who is Fang?
*
That guy’s a real snake.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023


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Maxwell Smart and 99's dog -- agent K-9, I think?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (J2vNu)

162 My sister, who lives in an "intentional community," bravely fought off enormous pressure to resist the clot shot. She has handled the often ugly aspersions with grace and good humor. My poor brother was told by his daughter that he couldn't see his granddaughter if he didn't take the shot, and capitulated (J&J shot). He has since come down with a crippling inflammatory rheumatoid issue which he's convinced is because of the shot.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (H8QX8)

163 159 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (yPXGm)
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There did seem to be a lot of PUSH for vaccines, but there were also a lot of skeptical voices around here at least, that weren't sure they were a good idea based on previous attempts at manufacturing such vaccines.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (YIVH2)

It was clear from pretty early on that this was a large scale medical experiment. What wasn't so clear is the ultimate effects of said experiment. Jury is still out on longer term effects.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (eYoxG)

164 Nah, the Horse Soldiers movie. We haven't refaught the civil war in a couple of days.
Posted by: Beartooth at January 23, 2023 03:40 PM (Ost2s)


The Horse Soldiers really isn't a great movie, but the scene with the cadets of the military academy forming line to fight the Union troopers is quite well-done.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (pJWtt)

165 131 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Takes all the fun out of hubris.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (Zktzy)

166 Not falling for the "go look up any weapon on YouTube" in the tailpipe trap.

Posted by: ... at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (GT1A5)

167 I *loved* the Luger, the time I fired one at the range. Marvelous pistol; it felt like it was made for my hand.

Then I remember Donald Hamilton having Matt Helm describe the Luger as "a gun that pulls around sixteen corners before it gets to where the bullet goes off," and I wonder.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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You would probably like the Ruger Mk 1-4 except the Ruger 22/45 model. Same grip angle as the Luger. Donald was probably more familiar with the P38 Walther or post WWI Lugers which were much more of a mixed bag quality wise.

In general though, aside from the 1911, most semi automatics prior to the start of the polymer craze did not have great triggers compared with rifles or revolvers.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (bDjBG)

168 @124

>>Flu Shots are guesstimate vaccinations.

The average incidence of influenza infection has not declined one iota since the introduction of the "flu shot."

The CDC estimates the efficacy of the "flu shot" is around 36pct for all age demos and populations.

In other words it's garbage, much like the clot shot.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (sm3rd)

169 At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine

For a cold? No, everyone was not clamoring for a vaccine.
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 03:51 PM (IyauK)
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Let us return to the days of yesteryear, when predictions of wholesale die-offs abounded. In the event, Covid was a bad flu season, but NO ONE thought that at the time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (yPXGm)

170 In common law, there is a saying that one must come to court with clean hands. In this case, you would get the FDA to stab Pfizer etc. in the back as they did to the makers of opiod painkillers. Fraud generally vitiates immunity as the FDA under political pressure will probably declare all the trials conducted by Moderna and Pfizer as faked in order to get the EUA and immunity. ...
Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (bDjBG)
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Right. I have always heard it described as "fraud voids all contracts." If fraud can be demonstrated in court, it would render the immunity null and expose the manufacturers to liability. If that happens, Moderna is a zero, with Pfizer and J&J having near-death experiences. I doubt Pfizer and J&J fail completely under the weight of the liability, but it will be touch-and-go.

It is why I suspect that the fraud - and it was there, and is well documented - will never be permitted to be proved in court.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (t0OGg)

171 I thought Fang was Phyllis Diller's husband.

Ha-HA!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (PiwSw)

172 Lamont Cranston (manic evil laugher) is the only Lamont I know.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (44ww/)

173 It gets worse:


"We Beat Big Pharma!” Screams Delusional Biden

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://tinyurl.com/46knxbay

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (9qHsE)

174 And a big dose of radiation during filming up wind from the nuclear test site. Probably contributed to his cancer.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (OgrpQ)

Hell yes it did

Posted by: Tobacco Companies at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (mR6Gs)

175 I think there are a number of people who don't GAF about being good or just.

Yep. I suspect that the leadership of Pfizer and Moderna knew that at *best* they were violating medical ethics and taking a risk with the whole damn human race.

The Clot Shot is bad...but since they faked the short term safety data and shipped it before there was even mid term data they could have killed EVERYONE that took it. And...no they didn't care.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (lc5cP)

176 I have a near and dear friend who has elected for weight loss surgery. She and her husband discussed it for a long time, and the doctors agree it is the time. She has been vaxxed X3 and is now terrified, and both she and husband are wishing I wouldn't have been so "well, it's your decision on the vax but do some research". Both told me I should have spoke to them as the proverbial Dutch Uncle.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (lz5hY)

177 I should find out the German for "partner corporation."

Heh. My suggestion got rejected for being a long, unbroken string of text.
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 03:50 PM (IyauK)


Well, it is German. Some of the words seem to go on forever

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (FCbAQ)

178 Life in a post-Republic Oligarchy...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (XvPQV)

179 159 I think it's important not to employ hindsight re the vaccine(s). At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (yPXGm)
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There did seem to be a lot of PUSH for vaccines, but there were also a lot of skeptical voices around here at least, that weren't sure they were a good idea based on previous attempts at manufacturing such vaccines.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (YIVH2)

I agree with Jay on this one. If we didn't have the 'vaccines', then the world economy would have still been shut down. Far more people would be dead that way than with the side effects of the mRNA shots.

So far, at least.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (/iWhV)

180 My poor brother was told by his daughter that he couldn't see his granddaughter if he didn't take the shot, and capitulated (J&J shot). He has since come down with a crippling inflammatory rheumatoid issue which he's convinced is because of the shot.
Posted by: Ordinary American

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Very possible for your brother. My J&J shot did cause reactions affecting my inflammatory arthritis and worsening its effects. Had severe bp issues as well.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (bDjBG)

181 Go back and see exactly WHO was clamoring for a 'vaccine' for Covid. I wasn't. No one I know was. Now, libtards I know jumped at the chance to take the ones that came out as soon as they were available. Some are STILL getting the boosters. But, I don't remember seeing anyone around me begging for a vaccine. Especially after it came out that 99.8% fully recover from Covid with little to no medicinal treatment and no comorbidities.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)

182 "There's going to be some serious class action lawsuits in the future. I realize all the safety nets put in place to shield the pharma's from responsibility, but someone will figure out a way to go after them and reap some mega amounts of cash in the process."


They need to after all companies and organizations that forced them to get the jab or be fired/thrown out.

Posted by: Ripleys at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (cUYo/)

183 Pharma owns your doctors.
Posted by: artisanal ette

They don't own me. They don't own my doctor or my partners.

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (JjNlG)

184 You have no idea.

Respectfully, I think I do.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (Xrfse)

185 158 All it takes is one judge saying "immunity does not apply".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:46 PM (0hOvj)
_____________

One of the critical functions of the law is to provide predictability. If yesterday's law is abrogated today, there is no predictability. Where there's no predictability, at least in the law, people will not take economic risks. Who invests in Somalia?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:52 PM (yPXGm)

Which is what "justification" is for. It's what makes taking money from a drug dealer or executing a murderer not disruptive. So long as a justification is accepted, an action is not interpreted as establishing an arbitrary activity pattern that might impact anybody.

If people are largely convinced this is a special case that has no bearing on their life, the consequences of revoking immunity are minimal to none.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (eYoxG)

186 Not everyone. First time I heard Trump spout off about the "vaccine" effort, I guffawed, then screamed some obscenities. No evidence influenza morbidity or mortality has been affected by decades of flu shots, and a "vaccine" for an ILI is far from an obviously sensible approach. Rapidly mutating highly infectious respiratory viruses have only one "solution" - none. Duh.

But the desperate need for placebo reassurance and some vague sense of control or even leverage, not limited to public health of course, was the driver here.

Even the Great Barrington authors couldn't help themselves, they *had* to say there was *something* that could be done (isolating - somehow - the elderly/medically infirm). Pretty bogus, if superficially appealing, idea. Doubtful any such efforts could produce a net benefit.

There's a great video of an epidemiology conference years ago in which the very solid panel members are openly discussing how in some future epidemic there will be some need to produce "actions" and "policies" to give the public a placebo, even though such measures will not materially affect the epidemic.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (OTzUX)

187 161 Who is Fang?
*
That guy’s a real snake.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
---------------------------------

Swallowell's girl friend.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (Zktzy)

188 I diverge from people who think those who have gotten a vaccine are doomed to die much earlier than normal lifespans.

I don't think they are doomed to die. I just think they are dying early. Too many healthy athletes all over the world in much better healthy shape than most, are dropping dead from heart ailments and blood clots. That's the elephant in the room no one want to talk about.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (IV8Hw)

189 My 22LR is a Kel-Tek, but I was tempted by the Lugar MKIV. It is sci-fi art nouveau sexiness.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 23, 2023 03:56 PM (44ww/)

190 Let us return to the days of yesteryear, when predictions of wholesale die-offs abounded. In the event, Covid was a bad flu season, but NO ONE thought that at the time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (yPXGm)

That's why I'll never blame Trump for the Vax.
Everyone was told that everyone was dying and we couldn't go back to normal until we had a vaccine.
Trump got it done.

They lied, he didn't

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 03:56 PM (mR6Gs)

191 167 I *loved* the Luger, the time I fired one at the range. Marvelous pistol; it felt like it was made for my hand.

Then I remember Donald Hamilton having Matt Helm describe the Luger as "a gun that pulls around sixteen corners before it gets to where the bullet goes off," and I wonder.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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You would probably like the Ruger Mk 1-4 except the Ruger 22/45 model. Same grip angle as the Luger. Donald was probably more familiar with the P38 Walther or post WWI Lugers which were much more of a mixed bag quality wise.

In general though, aside from the 1911, most semi automatics prior to the start of the polymer craze did not have great triggers compared with rifles or revolvers.
Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (bDjBG)

The Luger isn't that crazy, the toggle action is unique and requires stout louds to be reliable.

I'm a big fan of the Ruger MK IV (though it's more based on the Jap Nambu), as it's accurate and easy to disassemble, clean and reassemble. I think everyone should own one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (XvPQV)

192 I agree with Jay on this one. If we didn't have the 'vaccines', then the world economy would have still been shut down. Far more people would be dead that way than with the side effects of the mRNA shots.

So far, at least.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (/iWhV)
___

Newsflash:

The "plandemic" was just an excuse to release the jab on us.

This was planned long before 2019.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (GiAYj)

193 188 Too many healthy athletes all over the world in much better healthy shape than most, are dropping dead from heart ailments and blood clots. That's the elephant in the room no one want to talk about.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (IV8Hw)

No one in the government wants to talk about it.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (dvbwR)

194 Why, it's almost as if GlobalaPowerFascists merged with GobalTechCorp and ended up with a ruling class very much and well represented in the movie Rollerball...
Posted by: WEF at January 23, 2023 03:41 PM (g2MLA)

A very very prescient film.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (BdMk6)

195 It gets worse.

Today's headlines on one little website. Every day.

Young Ohio Fireman Suddenly Dies
"A former US Marine, Joshua served on Thompson Fire for nearly 4 years and recently joined Montville Fire."

6-Month-Old Baby Dies Suddenly From Cardiac Conditions 10 Days After Receiving Four "Vaccines"
(the baby went in for ONLY an ear infection - dr. malpractice, jail the parents)

Family's Shock Over Unexplained Sudden Death of Popular Dad, Aged 30: 'We Need to Know Why He Collapsed'
(hint: big pharma)

Australian Bobsledder and Rugby Star Suddenly Dies at Just 35


Unexpectedly.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (9qHsE)

196 Pharma owns your doctors.

Healthcare moving to mega corps was a bad idea.

It made it too easy for a small group of bad actors to take control of the whole sector.

When Fauci told the mega corps to get in line or prepared to get f*cked they all did.

If there were thousands of companies/individual doctors that wouldn't have worked.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (lc5cP)

197 At the time everyone was clamoring for a vaccine; only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them. If there weren't such downsides, everyone would be singing their praises of Pfizer and Moderna.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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No, they would not. Modern and Pfizer have obfuscated and tried to hide their trial data and effectively poisoned the well regarding the data.

A significant number of people wanted some sort of treatment more than a preventative and arguably this was easier and faster to do with conventional medications like ivermectin or hcq than using an untried vaccination process in an emergency.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (bDjBG)

198
I agree with Jay on this one. If we didn't have the 'vaccines', then the world economy would have still been shut down. Far more people would be dead that way than with the side effects of the mRNA shots.

So far, at least.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (/iWhV)

World economy couldn't have stayed shut down. We were perhaps 3 months of shut down or so out from not being able to get nearly anything running again. Which means we die anyways on a much larger scale.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (eYoxG)

199 111 Yeah. I advised my mom not to get it for a variety of reasons, and she agreed. Although it seems to be safer for the elderly than young; the side effects seem to primarily hit younger people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:44 PM (0hOvj)


Elderly people have a lot more to fear from Covid, too. Makes a lot more sense for them.

It is most unfortunate that this sort of case-by-case evaluation--the way clinical medicine has been done since forever--got cast aside in favor of stereotypical one size fits all bureaucracy "solutions" that have caused immense harm and loss of trust. Two generations are unlikely to ever trust their doctor again.

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (PZvjL)

200 They gave the drug companies immunity from lawsuit for any side effects of the Vaxx, no?
Posted by: Aetius451AD


and the contracts with companies stated they can not speak negatively - ever - or they get no more vaccines

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (9qHsE)

201
Chuy is out?

Lamont is in?

Isn't it customary for a sidebar announcement to be made for changes this seismic?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (a3Q+t)

202 200

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (dvbwR)

203 I don't think they are doomed to die. I just think they are dying early. Too many healthy athletes all over the world in much better healthy shape than most, are dropping dead from heart ailments and blood clots. That's the elephant in the room no one want to talk about.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (IV8Hw

Well-conditioned athletes are known to have *slightly* ENLARGED hearts. The heart IS a muscle after all.
So *maybe* the shot makes their enlarged hearts even LARGER?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (mR6Gs)

204 They gave the drug companies immunity from lawsuit for any side effects of the Vaxx, no?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

and the contracts with COUNTRIES stated they can not speak negatively - ever - or they get no more vaccines

As I recall Croatia gave them the finger.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (9qHsE)

205 Covid was a bad flu season, but NO ONE thought that at the time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


I'm sorry, but I feel you were watching TV. The evidence was all around us.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (IyauK)

206 "I should find out the German for "partner corporation."_

Posted by: Ace at 03:30 PM

GmbH (Gesellscharft mit Beschränkter Haftung) I think loosely translates as Limited Partnership.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (PiwSw)

207 [208 comment rule]

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

208 The (Rollerball) game was created to demonstrate the futility of individual effort.

Posted by: Bartholomew at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (4I/2K)

209 No one in the government wants to talk about it.
Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (dvbwR)
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And why they're covering up the death of that NFL player.

He's not alive.

Family has been paid off.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (GiAYj)

210 Athletes known to be fit that died after the clot shot.

I GUARANTEE YOU ARE NOT AS FIT AS THESE HUMAN BEINGS WERE!!!

33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack
•32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems
•19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game
•23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game
•19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse
•21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training
•29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session
•15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice
•18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field
•13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice

Goes about another 100 lines down.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (IV8Hw)

211 Yeah, a lot of folks involved in that Genghis Khan flick died of cancer — Wayne, Dick Powell, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (ZXbyL)

212 Real Covid deaths are no where near what the Democrats Propaganda Ministry says they were

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (xhxe8)

213 Both told me I should have spoke to them as the proverbial Dutch Uncle.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (lz5hY)


Wait, so it's your fault they got the jabs?

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (DRSnL)

214 201 Chuy is out?
Lamont is in?
Isn't it customary for a sidebar announcement to be made for changes this seismic?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 23, 2023 03:58 PM (a3Q+t)

33 Chuy took Lamont out behind the barn and is kicking his ass.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 23, 2023 03:34 PM (ZXbyL)

They're still back there.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (dvbwR)

215 They don't own me. They don't own my doctor or my partners.
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (JjNlG)


if the provision passes
read it
they will have absolute say in what you can and cannot use to treat patients

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (9qHsE)

216 It is most unfortunate that this sort of case-by-case evaluation--the way clinical medicine has been done since forever--got cast aside in favor of stereotypical one size fits all bureaucracy "solutions" that have caused immense harm and loss of trust. Two generations are unlikely to ever trust their doctor again.

Amazingly we went from the governing class saying our most deeply held belief was "my body my choice" to "you don't have a right to not take a COVID shot" overnight

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (lc5cP)

217 There's a great video of an epidemiology conference years ago in which the very solid panel members are openly discussing how in some future epidemic there will be some need to produce "actions" and "policies" to give the public a placebo, even though such measures will not materially affect the epidemic.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (OTzUX)
______________

Imagine the uproar if it came out that people were being given a placebo to fight an epidemic. The howling would shake the rafters of Heaven.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:00 PM (yPXGm)

218 At least Sinatra and Jimmy Stewart passed on before they had to decide which vaccine to take.

Posted by: Movie Mogul at January 23, 2023 04:00 PM (8ocB+)

219 Both Pfizer and Moderna licensed the mRNA technology from BioNTech. BioNTech got much of the mRNA technology largely from the work of Dr Katalin Kariko, a former professor at Penn.

When she was unable to obtain funding for the technology while still at Penn they demoted her. But she kept working on the technology and eventually published some breakthrough work on the topic with a colleague at Penn Dr Drew Weissman. Penn then filed patents on the technology but didn't reward Dr Kariko. So she left and went to BioNTech.

BioNTech licenses the technology to Pfizer and Moderna for use in their China virus vaccines and Penn, China's favorite Ivy, makes bank on the patents.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)

220 Two Weeks To Flatten The Curve!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (4I/2K)

221 The compulsion was the crime.

Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (dvbwR)

222 Is a vaccine monopoly really a monopoly if it is consensual?

Posted by: Now Spanky, Be Reasonable... at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (8ocB+)

223 Well-conditioned athletes are known to have *slightly* ENLARGED hearts.


So what you are saying is don't exercise. That's what I've been trying to tell my wife!

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (IV8Hw)

224 I saw Stout Loads open for Duran Duran at The Asylum in '89.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (44ww/)

225 Let us return to the days of yesteryear, when predictions of wholesale die-offs abounded. In the event, Covid was a bad flu season, but NO ONE thought that at the time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (yPXGm)

I did some rough estimating using publicly available John Hopkins estimates and determined it was most likely a bad flu pretty early on. Never got freaked or took the jab.

The huge death toll estimates were based on far fewer people being infected and consequently a much higher death rate(which didn't align with ordinary modeling for the spread of viruses). People were taking deaths and dividing it by recorded cases, where recorded cases almost certainly massively understated how many people had been infected at any given time.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (eYoxG)

226 My 22LR is a Kel-Tek, but I was tempted by the Lugar MKIV. It is sci-fi art nouveau sexiness.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 23, 2023 03:56 PM (44ww/)

If you like the sci-fi look, try out the Beretta Neos. That's a really fun one to shoot.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (N1tpc)

227 Two Weeks To Flatten The Curve!
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (4I/2K)

Two Shots To Flat Line!

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (mR6Gs)

228 >>> 181 Go back and see exactly WHO was clamoring for a 'vaccine' for Covid. I wasn't. No one I know was. Now, libtards I know jumped at the chance to take the ones that came out as soon as they were available. Some are STILL getting the boosters. But, I don't remember seeing anyone around me begging for a vaccine. Especially after it came out that 99.8% fully recover from Covid with little to no medicinal treatment and no comorbidities.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)

The teewee newshairs were shrieking hysterically about OMG COOTIES MASS DEATH!!! but most of us realized this was not Black Death Part 2 Electric Boogaloo only a couple weeks after the BS started.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (llON8)

229 Elderly people have a lot more to fear from Covid, too. Makes a lot more sense for them.

It is most unfortunate that this sort of case-by-case evaluation--the way clinical medicine has been done since forever--got cast aside in favor of stereotypical one size fits all bureaucracy "solutions" that have caused immense harm and loss of trust. Two generations are unlikely to ever trust their doctor again.
Posted by: CppThis
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Public health has been about the industrial/bureaucratic model since the 1900's. They refuse to recognize differences in individuals because it weakens their power (AIDS response is one such issue involving no less than Fauci the liar and AZT--the alleged cure that kills promotion).

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (bDjBG)

230 Real Covid deaths are no where near what the Democrats Propaganda Ministry says they were
Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (xhxe


if you died in a car accident, they labeled it covid

and again, remember, the first 2 weeks (of all of the vax deaths) were labeled unvaccinated - even though they JUST got the experimental jab.

People forget that infamous scene on national tv where the young healthy nurse volunteered to take the jab on live tv - then dropped dead - cut to black.

the hospital is silenced, the family is silenced - the woman disappeared quickly - HUSH!

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (9qHsE)

231 Real Covid deaths are no where near what the Democrats Propaganda Ministry says they were

A while back one of the lefty rags admitted half the people in hospitals "for" COVID were actually just there *with* COVID.

Then other studies have found that only 6% of COVID deaths (in Europe where the numbers were LESS goosed) had no co-morbidies.

The American data is garbage at this point and unrecoverable. But one could take say a few mid-sized European and African countries to potentially generate a real number.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (lc5cP)

232 OK, let's get the gun stuff out of the way. Bill Ruger designed the Ruger Standard pistol after examining a couple Baby Nambu pistols, and with the exception of grip angle and rhyme time with his last name had nothing to do with Herr Luger. Made a fortune.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (lz5hY)

233 Imagine the uproar if it came out that people were being given a placebo to fight an epidemic. The howling would shake the rafters of Heaven.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:00 PM (yPXGm)
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Which is worse? A placebo that has little to no effect on the body? Or a potentially deadly substance injected as a "cure" that we still don't fully understand the effects it has on the human body?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (YIVH2)

234 Well-conditioned athletes are known to have *slightly* ENLARGED hearts. The heart IS a muscle after all.
So *maybe* the shot makes their enlarged hearts even LARGER?
Posted by: JoeF.


Seriously? Yes.
Slightly enlarged healthy heart shouldn't have clots.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:03 PM (IV8Hw)

235 I thought Fang was Phyllis Diller's husband.

Ha-HA!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 23, 2023


***
Phyllis recounting her trip on a cut-rate airline: "The stewardess, bless her heart, was so old -- You know how some women get those little crow's feet around their eyes? This broad had mastodon tracks."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 23, 2023 04:03 PM (J2vNu)

236 I am coming to the belief when my brother Butch died of a heart attack in July 2021 it was likely caused by the clot shot.

He had been awarded 100% VA bennies due to complications of agent orange a couple of months prior to that and was quite upbeat on the availability of treatment for his newly diagnosed kidney problems.

Posted by: DanMan at January 23, 2023 04:03 PM (DB6tu)

237
and again, remember, the first 2 weeks (of all of the vax deaths) were labeled unvaccinated - even though they JUST got the experimental jab.


And two specific problems with this:

1) The most dangerous time after getting the clot shot is the first 24 hours - and if you die they count you as unvaccinated

2) You are MORE likely to get COVID after you've had the first jab then if you never get one. So if you get the clot shot, get covid a couple day later and then end up dying? You are "unvaccinated"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (lc5cP)

238 I wonder how much vaccine profit has been funelled to politicians.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (eGTCV)

239 Avenge me!

Posted by: Hank Aaron at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (4I/2K)

240 234 Well-conditioned athletes are known to have *slightly* ENLARGED hearts. The heart IS a muscle after all.
So *maybe* the shot makes their enlarged hearts even LARGER?
Posted by: JoeF.


Seriously? Yes.
Slightly enlarged healthy heart shouldn't have clots.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:03 PM (IV8Hw)

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What's the instance of boosters in these athletes? Are they two shot originals and done? Or do they get regular boosters?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (LvTSG)

241 >>> 196 Pharma owns your doctors.

Healthcare moving to mega corps was a bad idea.

It made it too easy for a small group of bad actors to take control of the whole sector.

When Fauci told the mega corps to get in line or prepared to get f*cked they all did.

If there were thousands of companies/individual doctors that wouldn't have worked.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:57 PM (lc5cP)

Pretty much the same for all industries, isn't it?

"converged"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (llON8)

242 ... I agree with Jay on this one. If we didn't have the 'vaccines', then the world economy would have still been shut down. Far more people would be dead that way than with the side effects of the mRNA shots. ...
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (/iWhV)
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I am not certain I agree with that assessment. Things were starting to open up (depending on where you were) in late 2020 and into 2021, well before the vaccines became generally available in mid-summer because of the economic weight of continuing the closures. Other control measures (masks and the like) were there, but closures were retreating. Places like Red China remained locked down hard through vaccine distribution. Sinovac doesn't work (at least, it doesn't work against non-original strains), but it was available and being used and they remained locked down hard until they lost control and had to open due to popular and economic pressure.

The vax gave them cover to reopen while passing the buck for any consequences, but I think they would have reopened anyway. Timing, of course, is one hell of a question mark, as are the consequences of waiting longer.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (t0OGg)

243 The huge death toll estimates were based on far fewer people being infected and consequently a much higher death rate(which didn't align with ordinary modeling for the spread of viruses). People were taking deaths and dividing it by recorded cases, where recorded cases almost certainly massively understated how many people had been infected at any given time.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (eYoxG)

That shit was around at least as early as November 2019.
By the time we shut down for #TwoWeeks, millions had already had it

And recall all those anecdotal stories about one person infecting 50 people at a funeral and 45 died

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (mR6Gs)

244 Elderly people have a lot more to fear from Covid, too.


Elderly people in relatively good health, didn't.

See Diamond Princess Cruise Ship.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (IV8Hw)

245 Imagine the uproar if it came out that people were being given a placebo to fight an epidemic. The howling would shake the rafters of Heaven.

The FNM/Fauci/etc say Sinovac doesn't work.

They aren't reliable but...I think they might be right here. So the whole country of China took a placebo...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (lc5cP)

246 Who is this "ace" person, and what have you done with Lamont?!

Posted by: J'accuse! at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (s2na+)

247 GmbH (Gesellscharft mit beschränkter Haftung) I think loosely translates as Limited Partnership.

That's a company with limited liabilty. Just a normal company.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (IyauK)

248 Before the vaccines were rolled out for my age range, I knew
1) Covid was about half as dangerous to me as flu and no one had ever given me grief for not getting flu shots.
2) Israel was already recommending boosters because vaxxed people were contracting Covid.
3) It was already becoming evident that there was a significant risk of autoimmune diseases, weird viral diseases, and cancer.
4) I knew two people who didn't survive their shots, and unlike the supposed Covid deaths in my circle, the injected deaths were healthy, active people.
5) The previous animal trials for mRNA treatments were not successful.

I was NOT clamoring for vaccines. What I wanted was for people to stop being insane and going along with the Covid response destruction.

Posted by: Emmie at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (Emce2)

249 only in retrospect do we see the downsides of them.

Well, that's not exactly true; we were warned by the guys that created it that they would cause immunity weakness. We knew they had not been tested properly and carefully. We knew the manufacturers didn't have much of an idea what side effects there might be.

That's reason enough to avoid them right from the start.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (0hOvj)

250 if the provision passes
read it
they will have absolute say in what you can and cannot use to treat patients
Posted by: artisanal ette

1. They already do by what is and is not allowed on the market.
2. They didn't stop me getting Ivermectin et al to my patients.
3. Imposed totalitarian control isn't 'ownership' and that was a poor phrase to use.

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (JjNlG)

251 Public health has been about the industrial/bureaucratic model since the 1900's. They refuse to recognize differences in individuals because it weakens their power (AIDS response is one such issue involving no less than Fauci the liar and AZT--the alleged cure that kills promotion).

The Empress likes to remind people that the Village Voice did an entire issue around 1988 slamming Fauci for screwing up the AIDS response. People who were paying attention then knew the media narrative of Reagan killing all the gays was false.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (ZGrMX)

252 243 The huge death toll estimates were based on far fewer people being infected and consequently a much higher death rate(which didn't align with ordinary modeling for the spread of viruses). People were taking deaths and dividing it by recorded cases, where recorded cases almost certainly massively understated how many people had been infected at any given time.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:02 PM (eYoxG)

That shit was around at least as early as November 2019.
By the time we shut down for #TwoWeeks, millions had already had it

And recall all those anecdotal stories about one person infecting 50 people at a funeral and 45 died
Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (mR6Gs)

And you could tell that it was likely in the US from Nov/Dec 2019 by just extrapolating a Spring John Hopkins model backwards. It was likewise clear by that point that lockdowns wouldn't stop anything.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (eYoxG)

253 > The CDC estimates the efficacy of the "flu shot" is around 36pct for all age demos and populations.

Here's the generally accepted reason for that, and it's not, "The flu shot is fake!" At any given moment, there are about 20 different variants of the flu floating around in China, where nearly every flu outbreak originates. CDC and loads of other groups monitor that roiling cauldron of shit and try to make an educated guess regarding which of those variants is going to be the big ones in the US that year. Once they make their picks, they ramp up production in the US of the vaccines to guard against those variants. Usually they do a pretty good job and millions of people don't get the flu that year.

Now, given how much we found out about the CDC over the last three years, I am much more predisposed to agreeing they're incompetents with ulterior motives. But I'm not fully onboard with the "everything is fake all the time and the sole reason behind everything they is to subjugate you" hypothesis.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (eyxn4)

254 190 Let us return to the days of yesteryear, when predictions of wholesale die-offs abounded. In the event, Covid was a bad flu season, but NO ONE thought that at the time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 03:53 PM (yPXGm)

That's why I'll never blame Trump for the Vax.
Everyone was told that everyone was dying and we couldn't go back to normal until we had a vaccine.
Trump got it done.

They lied, he didn't
Posted by: JoeF.
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Those clips from China of people dropping dead in the street were convincing.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (Zktzy)

255 I'm a big fan of the Ruger MK IV (though it's more based on the Jap Nambu), as it's accurate and easy to disassemble, clean and reassemble. I think everyone should own one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023


***
If it's the pistol I think it is, the first .22LR I ever shot was one of those. Very nice. Do they make it in other calibers?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (J2vNu)

256 Where's Hamlin?

They think this is funny folks. Satanic filth!

Visitations, photos, sightings, tweets & texts...but not a single confirmational audiovisual recording that shows the face of the hooded mystery man since his miraculous recovery 3 weeks ago. Did the guy contract leprosy?

See how matters of national security work. Control the narrative at all costs... truth be damned. Can't have a multibillion dollar super bowl be marred by a SADS victim who drops dead on the field, now can we?

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (GiAYj)

257 What's the instance of boosters in these athletes? Are they two shot originals and done? Or do they get regular boosters?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


No idea. But, For the two-week period from Oct. 3-16, 2021, the span for which the most recent data are available, 94.1% of all NFL players are vaccinated against COVID-19, according to an NFL press release. According to the NFL, there were 2,422 players in the league during that two-week period. Using the league's data, that means  2,279 are vaccinated and 143 were unvaccinated during that period. 

11/04/2021

https://bit.ly/3jBA28q

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (IV8Hw)

258 6-Month-Old Baby Dies Suddenly From Cardiac Conditions 10 Days After Receiving Four "Vaccines"
(the baby went in for ONLY an ear infection - dr. malpractice, jail the parents)

--

Dear merciful heaven...a 6 month old baby had already had 4 clot shots?!

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (sVtYq)

259 What's the instance of boosters in these athletes? Are they two shot originals and done? Or do they get regular boosters?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (LvTSG)

Get boosted til they drop.

Posted by: Literally drop. Keel over bodily. Kiss the turf. at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (s2na+)

260 Imagine the uproar if it came out that people were being given a placebo to fight an epidemic. The howling would shake the rafters of Heaven.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

They did--even at the time of administration, the drugmakers and FDA knew that the vaxx was a prophylactic, not a sterilizing vaccine. Then, you saw the medical industry doing defense in depth as each statement proved to be a lie. It prevented transmission and getting Covid, then it prevented transmission and made your symptoms lighter, then well, it does not prevent transmission and in fact may make you a superspreader and more likely to get covid each additional shot you get but it saves you from death or injury from covid. Next, will be we did not know it would kill people over the long run by side effects.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (bDjBG)

261 This discussion reminds me of people touting stocks. Now there's no future in touting, e.g., Microsoft or Apple, or saying that the DJIA will hover around where it is now.

To make an impact, a stock tout has to stake out an extreme position, or be lost in the din. So he claims that e.g., Microsoft will go into Chapter 11, that the Dow will plummet to 5000, or skyrocket to 100,000. Then he hopes to God that things move his way. If they do, he's a genius, and everyone hangs on his every word ("he's the guy who predicted ..."). If they don't, no one remembers.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (yPXGm)

262 Which is worse? A placebo that has little to no effect on the body? Or a potentially deadly substance injected as a "cure" that we still don't fully understand the effects it has on the human body?

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 23, 2023 04:07 PM (Xrfse)

263 There was also the problem of "narrative overdrive"

The people lying about how dangerous COVID was also seem to have believed the clot shots were really not dangerous.

Conversely the people arguing the clot shots weren't dangerous believed the people claiming COVID was going to kill tens of millions if you didn't do something...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:07 PM (lc5cP)

264 Covid was a bogeyman for 2-3 months, at which point there was enough information available to understand that it was bad for old people but the young and the healthy had little to worry about. Nobody has any valid excuse for the shutdowns and associated bad policy after May 2020. If they didn't know then, it was because they didn't want to know or otherwise found it convenient and/or the path of least institutional resistance.

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 04:07 PM (PZvjL)

265 Well in effect that's what the "vaccines" were, placebos - at least that was their benefit, according to those who assert the world would have stayed shut down without them (it wouldn't have).

The placebo that was referred to in the conference video I mentioned was any policy that the public would think meant "something was being done". Regardless of substantive impact.

The "vaccines" were not available until long after the IFR and CFR of C19 was known to be nothing like the (utterly baseless) initial doomsaying predictions (and that was even before the wholesale mortality # reductions, still continuing). The uncensored/mostly obscure yet quite substantively well-grounded people on social media who had been rational about C19 from the outset reacted like me to "vaccines" - huh? For a bad influenza strain? Made no sense in any real epidemiological framework.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 04:07 PM (OTzUX)

266 Dear merciful heaven...a 6 month old baby had already had 4 clot shots?!
Posted by: Lady in Black
___

That baby is with the Lord.

Still...unreal.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (GiAYj)

267 what celine dion got after jab. Scroll to click the pdf, scroll to page 30 to see the not complete list of side effects in the Appendix. It's insane. And not complete. Safe and Effective.

Celine Dion was likely disabled from a KNOWN SIDE EFFECT of the COVID vaccine
US government data shows it is very likely that Celine Dion got her Stiff Person Syndrome from the COVID vaccine. Other vaccines are *known* to cause SPS.
Steve Kirsch substack

https://tinyurl.com/24y549xs
Did Pfizer know about SPS in Feb 2021?
Maybe, maybe not. We know that SPS was reported in Pfizer's postmarketing documents on page 37, which is also page 8 of Appendix 1. Being in this document indicates that Pfizer was aware of it no later than 2/28/21, and the FDA knew about it no later than April 2021. However, as one of my astute readers (David Marshall) noted, "the AESI terms are incorporated into a TME list and include events of interest due to their association with severe COVID-19 and events of interest for vaccines in general." SPS is a known vaccine side effect from other vaccines, so that could be the reason for inclusion and likely was.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (9qHsE)

268


Right here: https://tinyurl.com/376kybxa

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (/Rqse)

269 Just how much moola has Pfizer made from this vaccine? Anybody know?

Posted by: Caliban at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (ni2c1)

270 74 All joking aside, I think the reason some threads turn into movie talk is that the topic is so unhappy and impossible. What are we supposed to do about the president of the United States being corrupt and mishandling documents? What power do we have to stop it? How can we get justice done?

We just sit and watch the same people who screamed that we should crucify Donald Trump for having documents in his house he legally was allowed to have, are acting like its no big deal for Biden to have them scattered all over his properties, which is illegal for him.

What is there to talk about it? What is there to say? "yep, that sucks". So the conversation drifts.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 03:39 PM (0hOvj)

---------------

Vengeance vacations, leave your phone at home.

Alternatively, print out a bunch of flyers stating "This government is illegitimate" and list some of its crimes and post them on Federal government building entrances. Of course, be prepared to be thrown in jail for 20 years.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (cMXNt)

271 Hamlin seems to have avoided winning the Hank Aaron award, but it looks like the clot shot seriously f*cked him up.

And remember he got his clot shot booster one week before his heart incident.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (lc5cP)

272 Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (IV8Hw)

Right. I am with you, I think those deaths were caused by the clot shot(s) the athletes were pressured to take.

And to have the numbers of healthy people who died, plus those those who will have months, years in some cases of nasty ill health. Pfizer and Moderna should be killed as companies.

But folks who were vaccinated and had little or no reaction; or got over whatever reaction they had should not be in fear that they will get cancer or suffer a cardiac event at this point in time. Although I think they are gambling with their health if they keep taking boosters.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (3cGpq)

273 Lamont is picking up bad habits from hanging around with his criminal homie, Rollo. Won't be long before he's slinging rock with his mentor, Hunter.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (kaTkN)

274 221 The compulsion was the crime.
Posted by: m at January 23, 2023 04:01 PM (dvbwR)

Hysterical fear was the getaway vehicle.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (BdMk6)

275 Dear merciful heaven...a 6 month old baby had already had 4 clot shots?!

That's what amplified fear will do.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (Xrfse)

276 Go back and see exactly WHO was clamoring for a 'vaccine' for Covid. I wasn't. No one I know was. Now, libtards I know jumped at the chance to take the ones that came out as soon as they were available. Some are STILL getting the boosters. But, I don't remember seeing anyone around me begging for a vaccine. Especially after it came out that 99.8% fully recover from Covid with little to no medicinal treatment and no comorbidities.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)

Yes, you're right. When I said everyone was clamoring for a vaccine, i should have said "Everyone"---meaning the usual suspects

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (mR6Gs)

277 I thought stiff person syndrome was only a problem after 4 hours.

Posted by: Seek medical attention. at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (s2na+)

278 > Dear merciful heaven...a 6 month old baby had already had 4 clot shots?!

Absolutely evil.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (eyxn4)

279 Right. I am with you, I think those deaths were caused by the clot shot(s) the athletes were pressured to take.

And to have the numbers of healthy people who died, plus those those who will have months, years in some cases of nasty ill health. Pfizer and Moderna should be killed as companies.

But folks who were vaccinated and had little or no reaction; or got over whatever reaction they had should not be in fear that they will get cancer or suffer a cardiac event at this point in time. Although I think they are gambling with their health if they keep taking boosters.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (3cGpq)

Something to consider: A healthy person by typical standards had about a 100% Covid survival rate.

The same cannot be said of the vaccine.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (KbCG3)

280 >>> 253
==
Now, given how much we found out about the CDC over the last three years, I am much more predisposed to agreeing they're incompetents with ulterior motives. But I'm not fully onboard with the "everything is fake all the time and the sole reason behind everything they is to subjugate you" hypothesis.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (eyxn4)

Sehr gut! You will eet zee boogz!!!

Posted by: Klaus Schawb at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (llON8)

281 Just how much moola has Pfizer made from this vaccine? Anybody know?

Their stock prices went through the roof, biggest gain ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (0hOvj)

282 That's why I'll never blame Trump for the Vax.
Everyone was told that everyone was dying and we couldn't go back to normal until we had a vaccine.
Trump got it done.

They lied, he didn't
Posted by: JoeF.
-----------------------

Those clips from China of people dropping dead in the street were convincing.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (Zktzy)
_____________

Exactly. At the time, NO ONE KNEW what we were up against. Coulda been a new Black Plague for all we knew.

Now I'm not a Covid neurotic, quite the contrary in fact, but it just wasn't clear in, say, March 2020. So we're getting a lot of retrospective analysis along the lines of "FDR should've moved the battleships out of Pearl Harbor on 6 December." Yeah, we know that - now.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (yPXGm)

283 The Daily Daddario is dressed appropriate for her audition to play the role of "Pfizer C-Suite lackey" in a new movie about COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/aj652va4

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (LvTSG)

284 The vax gave them cover to reopen while passing the buck for any consequences, but I think they would have reopened anyway. Timing, of course, is one hell of a question mark, as are the consequences of waiting longer.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 04:04 PM (t0OGg)

I hear you on that one, but I think that the general public was still waaay to skittish to even leave the house before vaccines became available. It's incredible to think that if you have a coordinated Project Fear coming from gov't, media, and big and small businesses, just about everyone will listen. It's now 2023, and you still had significant public masking in late 2021 into 2022. There are still a lot of people driving around masking in their cars, and masking in the gym and in the street.

No, I think that without a big All Clear signal from having a vaccine available, the gen pop would be too scared to leave the house and buy anything.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (/iWhV)

285 The compulsion was the crime.

I suspect if the release of the clot shots had come out with the real safety data and the notice that it doesn't stop the spread and will only mitigate the symptoms (which was known BEFORE Biden's mandate) few would have taken them.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (lc5cP)

286 Hysterical fear was the getaway vehicle.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (BdMk6)


And you can't reason with fear. How convenient!

Posted by: Emmie at January 23, 2023 04:11 PM (Emce2)

287 By the way, I don't want to mention specific names or anything here but a couple of people here were incredibly kind and generous to me recently and I am deeply touched and grateful for your generosity and kindness. I know we're supposed to be known as a smart military blog but the horde is really good people. Thank you all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 04:11 PM (0hOvj)

288 What, every nurse and doctor visiting baby had to give e a Fake Vax to make sure the baby had it?

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 04:11 PM (xhxe8)

289 I think there are a number of people who don't GAF about being good or just.

Yep. I suspect that the leadership of Pfizer and Moderna knew that at *best* they were violating medical ethics and taking a risk with the whole damn human race.

The Clot Shot is bad...but since they faked the short term safety data and shipped it before there was even mid term data they could have killed EVERYONE that took it. And...no they didn't care.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 03:54 PM (lc5cP)


they did not take the poison
neither did congress
no elites, no so called leaders

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:12 PM (9qHsE)

290 Just how much moola has Pfizer made from this vaccine? Anybody know?

Posted by: Caliban at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (ni2c1)

500 million doses @ $50/dose?

$25 billion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:12 PM (L02Jl)

291 Its a THREAT against the stock price. Congress was relying on the windfall of nearly forced subsidized vaccinations bouncing up the stock price they so eagerly bought up right before they authorized the whole scheme. Cozy little arrangment.

Posted by: What a Fcuking Joke this Country is at January 23, 2023 04:12 PM (mWPHb)

292 Hamlin seems to have avoided winning the Hank Aaron award, but it looks like the clot shot seriously f*cked him up.

And remember he got his clot shot booster one week before his heart incident.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (lc5cP)

He's lucky there was a game that night--with medical personnel seconds away

If he dropped walking to the mailbox or coming down his stairs, that would have been the end.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:12 PM (mR6Gs)

293 283 The Daily Daddario is dressed appropriate for her audition to play the role of "Pfizer C-Suite lackey" in a new movie about COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/aj652va4
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (LvTSG)

She'd also fit right into a Bauhaus music video.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 04:13 PM (XvPQV)

294 That's why I'll never blame Trump for the Vax.

It wasn't super wise to push it out so fast, but he was thinking political timing. What's really problematic is that he refuses to learn and change his stance on the stuff.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 04:13 PM (0hOvj)

295 I'm just glad the arrows on the shopping aisle floors helped prevent covid.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 23, 2023 04:13 PM (OgrpQ)

296 500 million doses @ $50/dose?

$25 billion.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:12 PM (L02Jl)
____________

Assumes COGS = $0.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:13 PM (yPXGm)

297 That's why I'll never blame Trump for the Vax.
Everyone was told that everyone was dying and we couldn't go back to normal until we had a vaccine.
Trump got it done.

They lied, he didn't
Posted by: JoeF.


he's number two, after Biden in raking in from big pharma
see the jimmy dore video I linked up yonder.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:13 PM (9qHsE)

298 Speaking of videos of people dropping dead in the street:

https://bit.ly/3XCsuBx

Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:14 PM (eyxn4)

299 bonhomme, the "flu shot" reduces morbidity? That would be news to me. Even given that such calculations necessarily rely very much on estimates and assumptions, given the nature of the phenomenon, I was not aware of any analysis that supported efficacy of flu shots in reducing case numbers or severity, on the whole.

And "lockdowns" for this type of pathogen were *already* known not to work, from a century of observation and even experimentation.

To quote (almost verbatim, from memory): "there is no historical observation or scientific research that supports the quarantining of healthy populations to reduce the spread of influenza". From a fairly definitive study in 2006, team headed by the director of the global smallpox eradication effort.

"Mitigation" of this sort for this type of epidemic was long known not to have any value. Just as masks have been shown to lack any value from 70+ years of research.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 04:14 PM (OTzUX)

300 255 I'm a big fan of the Ruger MK IV (though it's more based on the Jap Nambu), as it's accurate and easy to disassemble, clean and reassemble. I think everyone should own one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

MAE, Bill Ruger mentioned that the internals were Nambu derived but the external was pure Luger.

Even in the 50's, early Lugers were collectible and part of that was the 22 degree grip angle making it both rakish and easier for some to shoot as a natural pointer. The 1911 and its derivative grip designs have an 18 percent grip angle if I recall properly.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:14 PM (bDjBG)

301 via Insty :

AWFUL NEWS: Longtime blogger and friend Gerard van der Leun has entered into hospice care.

Damn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 23, 2023 04:14 PM (JOtiF)

302 Now I'm not a Covid neurotic, quite the contrary in fact, but it just wasn't clear in, say, March 2020. So we're getting a lot of retrospective analysis along the lines of "FDR should've moved the battleships out of Pearl Harbor on 6 December." Yeah, we know that - now.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (yPXGm)

Good practice was exchanged for bad.

Did most people not really have any idea what was going on or know what to expect? Yeah.

But much of the medical community had all that they needed to know better. And perhaps in many cases did know better. I took their materials and practices to make a correct judgement. They could have too.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:14 PM (eYoxG)

303 290 Just how much moola has Pfizer made from this vaccine? Anybody know?

Posted by: Caliban at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (ni2c1)

500 million doses @ $50/dose?

$25 billion.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:12 PM (L02Jl)


Chump change.

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelensky at January 23, 2023 04:14 PM (PiwSw)

304 294 That's why I'll never blame Trump for the Vax.

It wasn't super wise to push it out so fast, but he was thinking political timing. What's really problematic is that he refuses to learn and change his stance on the stuff.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I agree. Even the surviving member of Silk and Diamond believes the vaxx was to blame for the death.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:15 PM (bDjBG)

305 >>> 256 Where's Hamlin?

They think this is funny folks. Satanic filth!

Visitations, photos, sightings, tweets & texts...but not a single confirmational audiovisual recording that shows the face of the hooded mystery man since his miraculous recovery 3 weeks ago. Did the guy contract leprosy?

See how matters of national security work. Control the narrative at all costs... truth be damned. Can't have a multibillion dollar super bowl be marred by a SADS victim who drops dead on the field, now can we?
Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (GiAYj)

There may come a day when the asshoes *aren't* laughing.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 04:15 PM (llON8)

306 What, every nurse and doctor visiting baby had to give e a Fake Vax to make sure the baby had it?
Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 04:11 PM (xhxe


It was probably just this stupid.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 04:15 PM (anj39)

307
Pharmacy has owned doctors since the first drug rep showed up at the family practice with tickets to ball games.

Posted by: Auspex at January 23, 2023 04:15 PM (j4U/Z)

308 I was frightened of C19 after my cousin, who is 40 and healthy almost died. This was around March/April 2020. They let his wife in the hospital to say goodbye.
I think the treatment made him worse. They put him on a vent immediately and he spent about 3 months in the hospital. All of his organs were shutting down. He had to have dialysis. It was terrible.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (koDN3)

309 Assumes COGS = $0.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:13 PM (yPXGm)

Manufacturing it is probably cheap compared to the multi-step compounds they are used to.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (L02Jl)

310 Eh, I still haven't learned to stay away from Coof discussions. Sigh. I shall exit before I (types, deletes) make an ass of myself. See y'all later this evening.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (Xrfse)

311 Jawboning is one man displays love for another man eating booty from behind in a park bathroom after it's closed.
t. The Fabulous Mr. French

Posted by: Mr. Anderson at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (VPBcc)

312 They completely lied to Trump, the same way they lied to the public. But the problem is that now, even in hindsight, Trump won't admit that, because he feels it reflects badly on him personally.

This is how ego wins over truth.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (8Voqu)

313 They need to after all companies and organizations that forced them to get the jab or be fired/thrown out.
Posted by: Ripleys at January 23, 2023 03:55 PM (cUYo/)
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Companies that required the shot have no immunity. They are the ones that made it a condition of employment. Any adverse reactions are then a liability to that company who required them. That is who the trial lawyers will go after first. Because they have no defense, easy pickings.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (UVyKP)

314 I don't even think we have scratched the surface of the level of collusion and coercion that took place for the last 3 years.

Every single major public and private entity was brought full force to destroy every last shred of our civil liberties to "stop" a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Even now, with this much truth having gotten out, exposing everything they said was a lie, the official line is that we're STILL in a pandemic.

Name one thing the "experts" said the last three years that remains true.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (8dUAs)

315 Just how much moola has Pfizer made from this vaccine? Anybody know?

$13 billion in revenue for 2021 and they forecast $32 billion in 2022, just from the covid vaccine.

Pfizer total revenue was about $40 billion in 2020 and $100 billion in 2022.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (IyauK)

316 Exactly. At the time, NO ONE KNEW what we were up against. Coulda been a new Black Plague for all we knew.

Now I'm not a Covid neurotic, quite the contrary in fact, but it just wasn't clear in, say, March 2020. So we're getting a lot of retrospective analysis along the lines of "FDR should've moved the battleships out of Pearl Harbor on 6 December." Yeah, we know that - now.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (yPXGm)

A few of us here knew it was an op from the very beginning. But the majority found exhilaration in the fear.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (BdMk6)

317 Posted by: Auspex at January 23, 2023 04:15 PM (j4U/Z)

Short skirt and a tight sweater.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (L02Jl)

318 Manufacturing it is probably cheap compared to the multi-step compounds they are used to.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (L02Jl)
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Manufacturing is generally cheap. The most expensive part is ... R&D.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (yPXGm)

319
1. They already do by what is and is not allowed on the market.
2. They didn't stop me getting Ivermectin et al to my patients.
3. Imposed totalitarian control isn't 'ownership' and that was a poor phrase to use.
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (JjNlG)


lol, that's the whole point of the tiny 9 lines in the bill
to do exactly that - stopping your doctor from giving off label drugs like Ivermectin.
Own. Doctors are speaking anonymously all across the nation about the reason they won't speak out about the deaths and diseases they are witnessing from the jabs is that they will lose their licenses. They are still destroying doctors in Canada who prescribed Ivermection.
Own.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (9qHsE)

320 316 A few of us here knew it was an op from the very beginning. But the majority found exhilaration in the fear.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (BdMk6)

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Corporate news sells fear, nothing else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (LvTSG)

321 Jawboning is one man displays love for another man eating booty from behind in a park bathroom after it's closed.
t. The Fabulous Mr. French


I have never had sex with another man. This is a terrible lie!

Now have I ever lovingly spent some time with a ladypenis? Of course I mean women can't resist me!

Posted by: David French at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (lc5cP)

322 But folks who were vaccinated and had little or no reaction; or got over whatever reaction they had should not be in fear that they will get cancer or suffer a cardiac event at this point in time.
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Cancer is a lagging diagnosis. Found incidentally if it is found before you get symptomatic in the course of a check up or imaging for other reasons it is usually early stage. Once you get symptomatic may have already had it for 18 -36 months it may still be early stage depends on the cancer.

Posted by: sad but true at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (ez53g)

323 >>> 308 I was frightened of C19 after my cousin, who is 40 and healthy almost died. This was around March/April 2020. They let his wife in the hospital to say goodbye.
I think the treatment made him worse. They put him on a vent immediately and he spent about 3 months in the hospital. All of his organs were shutting down. He had to have dialysis. It was terrible.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (koDN3)

*types* *deletes* some more

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (llON8)

324 Pfizer total revenue was about $40 billion in 2020 and $100 billion in 2022.
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (IyauK)

OK, now we're talkin'!

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (PiwSw)

325 317 Posted by: Auspex at January 23, 2023 04:15 PM (j4U/Z)

Short skirt and a tight sweater.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (L02Jl)

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*takes envelope from forehead*

What Dolley was wearing on our first date...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (LvTSG)

326 Manufacturing is generally cheap. The most expensive part is ... R&D.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (yPXGm)


I wonder how much of the R&D was subsidized?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (L02Jl)

327 308 I was frightened of C19 after my cousin, who is 40 and healthy almost died. This was around March/April 2020. They let his wife in the hospital to say goodbye.
I think the treatment made him worse. They put him on a vent immediately and he spent about 3 months in the hospital. All of his organs were shutting down. He had to have dialysis. It was terrible.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (koDN3)

Iirc it was found that ventilators were a really bad way to handle Covid.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (eYoxG)

328 But folks who were vaccinated and had little or no reaction; or got over whatever reaction they had should not be in fear that they will get cancer or suffer a cardiac event at this point in time. Although I think they are gambling with their health if they keep taking boosters.
Posted by: PaleRider


My brother in law just passed at 51 from pancreatic cancer. Vaxxed. Only history of cancer in my wife's family was brain cancer in an extended aunt.

No one can make me believe the vaxx wasn't a contributing factor. B-i-l didn't smoke, didn't drink, didn't do drugs.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (IV8Hw)

329 IIRC putting people on vents before they needed them came from China.

And Fauci and co told hospitals to do it here as if you could trust anything from China.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (lc5cP)

330 March 2020 (embedded in this is not just uncertainty, but very very bad disastrously incompetent technical advice, BTW) was not even May 2020.

As I noted above, CFR/IFR for C19 was pretty clear by May, including the extreme demographic skew (far less a problem for

Aside from this is the simple misfit between influenza + vaccine, in general.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (OTzUX)

331 Right here: https://tinyurl.com/376kybxa
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (/Rqse)


That's remarkably similar to what has happened in education.

Posted by: Emmie at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (Emce2)

332 State Moves to Revoke Dr. Ryan Cole's License for Prescribing Ivermectin, COVID-19 Vaccine Comments
January 23, 2023
Washington state's medical commission has brought charges against Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist, over alleged false and misleading statements about COVID-19 vaccines and his prescribing of ivermectin to treat COVID-19.


Do as I say, not as I do.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (9qHsE)

333 327 Iirc it was found that ventilators were a really bad way to handle Covid.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (eYoxG)

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If I remember correctly, ventilators were a cudgel to beat Trump with because we didn't have enough as Cuba, or something, and then he used powers granted to him by Congress to get GM to manufacture more.

I remember when Trump was the worst president ever because we didn't test as much as Europe did.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (LvTSG)

334 253 Now, given how much we found out about the CDC over the last three years, I am much more predisposed to agreeing they're incompetents with ulterior motives. But I'm not fully onboard with the "everything is fake all the time and the sole reason behind everything they is to subjugate you" hypothesis.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (eyxn4)


I don't want to let my inner ultra-cynic run the show, but as you say that position has become much more difficult to take in recent years.

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (PZvjL)

335
*types* *deletes* some more
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (llON

I agree the treatment almost killed him. I know someone else that was in their 70s and refused the vent, said if it was his time so be it. He went home a week later.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (koDN3)

336 No one can make me believe the vaxx wasn't a contributing factor. B-i-l didn't smoke, didn't drink, didn't do drugs.
Posted by: rickb223
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Condolences, rick. : (

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (GiAYj)

337 That shit was around at least as early as November 2019.
By the time we shut down for #TwoWeeks, millions had already had it

And recall all those anecdotal stories about one person infecting 50 people at a funeral and 45 died
Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:05 PM (mR6Gs)

And you could tell that it was likely in the US from Nov/Dec 2019 by just extrapolating a Spring John Hopkins model backwards. It was likewise clear by that point that lockdowns wouldn't stop anything.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (eYoxG)

My father died in November 2019 and about 300 people came to his wake. Many were sick by Christmas, including many in our family, and more than one called it the "most persistent flu they ever had"--months before we heard of Covid

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (mR6Gs)

338 320 316 A few of us here knew it was an op from the very beginning. But the majority found exhilaration in the fear.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (BdMk6)

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Corporate news sells fear, nothing else.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (LvTSG)

I didn't take the shot, and when I did get COVID I ended up taking IVM, and it cleared up almost immediately. Now, that said, I was still more than a little apprehensive as I was taking the IVM. Felt a little like I was gambling with my life, even though my mind and evidence around me was telling me that I would be OK.

That is the power of a coordinated Project Fear. I don't blame anyone for taking the shot in the face of that campaign.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (/iWhV)

339 Here's the generally accepted reason for that, and it's not, "The flu shot is fake!"

Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (eyxn4)

Pretty much any respiratory virus will hit about 20-25% of the population. Saying your shot is X% effective means nothing. Only 1 in 4 people were going to catch it anyways. It is why only 24% of the people on the cruise ship caught COVID. Do the flu shots work, doubtful. At best, they have such a low benefit that it is economically wasteful.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (e0K0r)

340 A few of us here knew it was an op from the very beginning. But the majority found exhilaration in the fear.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:16 PM (BdMk6)

I said this a while back and I'll say it again. I was skeptical at the very beginning but knew it was complete bullshit when NYC didn't shut down mass transit.

Posted by: When is a public health emergency not a public health emergency at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (s2na+)

341 One thing about Trump talking up the efficacy of the vaccines is the fact that these fucking pharma assholes PURPOSELY WITHHELD releasing the vaccines until after the election to rob Trump of a perceived victory.

He wants to be seen as the president that brought them about but they did everything in their power to rob him of the credit and are still anxious to stick him with the blame.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (KbCG3)

342
My brother in law just passed at 51 from pancreatic cancer. Vaxxed. Only history of cancer in my wife's family was brain cancer in an extended aunt.

No one can make me believe the vaxx wasn't a contributing factor. B-i-l didn't smoke, didn't drink, didn't do drugs.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (IV8H

A friend of mine, healthy 50 year old just died of a stroke. I think it was the vaccine.

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (koDN3)

343 >>> 331 Right here: https://tinyurl.com/376kybxa
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (/Rqse)

That's remarkably similar to what has happened in education.
Posted by: Emmie at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (Emce2)

The big jump in this particular graph appears to overlap with the Billy Jeff admin.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (llON8)

344 135 John Wayne playing Genghis Khan qualifies as sci-fi
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 23, 2023 03:47 PM (D4TsQ)


And a big dose of willing suspension of disbelief.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 23, 2023 03:49 PM (anj39)

And a big dose of radiation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (zZu0s)

345 I wonder how much of the R&D was subsidized?
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*AHEM*

Posted by: DoD at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (sH61M)

346 But much of the medical community had all that they needed to know better. And perhaps in many cases did know better. I took their materials and practices to make a correct judgement. They could have too.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

By February of 2021, it was clear that a lot of people were having adverse problems from Pfizer and Modern vaxx administration. Then the blood clotting issue of J&J and young women came up and suddenly all the ire on vaxxes was dumped onto J&J. I got the J&J shortly before it was temporarily banned because it was a one shot protocol and I have autoimmune conditions that make me very susceptible to respiratory viruses and subsequent bacterial infections.

Even then, I was advised to be vaccinated by multiple doctors including my rheumatologist and an infectious disease doctor.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (bDjBG)

347 I agree the treatment almost killed him. I know someone else that was in their 70s and refused the vent, said if it was his time so be it. He went home a week later.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (koDN3)

You really REALLY don't want to go on a vent if you can avoid it.

Posted by: ICU does not stand for happy fun time at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (s2na+)

348 I thought stiff person syndrome was only a problem after 4 hours.

Posted by: Seek medical attention. at January 23, 2023 04:09 PM (s2na+)

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There's a good, recent documentary out about this phenomenon called "Plied Suddenly."

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (U4wf4)

349 I wonder how much of the R&D was subsidized?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (L02Jl)
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Realistically, Pfizer and especially Moderna must have been working on this for long before Covid hit. You don't just go into the lab for the afternoon and whip up a little something to deal with a disease. The usual time cycle is about ten years. My guess is that they were working on antivirals for years, and just switched to this specific target when Covid hit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (yPXGm)

350 Now I'm not a Covid neurotic, quite the contrary in fact, but it just wasn't clear in, say, March 2020. So we're getting a lot of retrospective analysis along the lines of "FDR should've moved the battleships out of Pearl Harbor on 6 December." Yeah, we know that - now.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:10 PM (yPXGm)
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That's where I am. I don't think it was an op from jump street. February and March were full of unknowns with damn few knowns.

That changed fairly quickly. The Diamond Princess happened. Spread was able to be tracked. Effects on hospital services were better understood. Data about treatments was coming fast and hard (and starting to be suppressed, but that's a slightly different topic).

The date I use for "op transition" is Easter of 2020. By then, we knew that the hospital system was not going to collapse. We knew approximately what the spread looked like. We had some ideas on how to treat it, with more to come fairly quickly. Lower-impact countermeasures - improved sanitation, mandatory sick time to keep sick people out of the workforce, etc. - would have been easy to implement and somewhat effective. We knew it by then.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OGg)

351 I said this a while back and I'll say it again. I was skeptical at the very beginning but knew it was complete bullshit when NYC didn't shut down mass transit.

Yep. I remember the argument against doing so was "it would be too hard for people in NYC to live without the subway" even though early spread in the US mostly came that way...and then spread when New Yorkers fled the city.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (lc5cP)

352 My poor brother was told by his daughter that he couldn't see his granddaughter if he didn't take the shot, and capitulated (J&J shot)

Same thing happened to us - daughter and hubby didn't want us possibly giving new grandson the Coof, so we got the shot (J&J), under protest, and then the booster, because by then the original shot wasn't "enough" for them.

And after we had seen the new baby (without EVER being exposed to COVID), Son-in-law went on a business trip, caught COVID (with a shot and TWO boosters under his belt!), and promptly brought it home and daughter, Son-in-law, his mom, and the new grandson ALL got COVID.

At the next visit, I managed to catch COVID somehow, then passed it along to grandson, but by that time we were 2 years into the pandemic, so mom and Dad weren't as worried about it. ..

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (e6bHS)

353 346 But much of the medical community had all that they needed to know better. And perhaps in many cases did know better. I took their materials and practices to make a correct judgement. They could have too.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

By February of 2021, it was clear that a lot of people were having adverse problems from Pfizer and Modern vaxx administration. Then the blood clotting issue of J&J and young women came up and suddenly all the ire on vaxxes was dumped onto J&J. I got the J&J shortly before it was temporarily banned because it was a one shot protocol and I have autoimmune conditions that make me very susceptible to respiratory viruses and subsequent bacterial infections.

Even then, I was advised to be vaccinated by multiple doctors including my rheumatologist and an infectious disease doctor.
Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (bDjBG)

I was referring to the threat level of Covid, not the vaccine. There's been so much muddying of the waters and antagonism to any questioning of the MRNA vaccine that I wouldn't really expect them to be able to assess the risk. I can't put a number to it with any confidence.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (eYoxG)

354 Diamond Princess Cruise was the ultimate petri dish.

3200 mostly older travelers because it was February and school was still in session.
1100 staff.

11 dead.

We knew then it wasn't the Black Death.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (IV8Hw)

355 Right here: https://tinyurl.com/376kybxa
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:08 PM (/Rqse)
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Ah the spike happens ~1992, when Hillary started her star council on "healthcare" to "fix it".

Posted by: Axeman at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (OaZlZ)

356 258 6-Month-Old Baby Dies Suddenly From Cardiac Conditions 10 Days After Receiving Four "Vaccines"
(the baby went in for ONLY an ear infection - dr. malpractice, jail the parents)

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Dear merciful heaven...a 6 month old baby had already had 4 clot shots?!
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 23, 2023 04:06 PM (sVtYq)

Pretty sure this is referring to the 4 6 month old shots babies are normally scheduled for. Usually, you do not give vaxes to a baby if they show up sick, although docs have done so for sniffles and such. When my kids were sick, I let vaxes slide til they were better, but I went to family practice, and not a pediatric office. Family practice is where you go if you want more relaxed, less "schedule, schedule, schedule" doctoring for your kid...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (exHjb)

357 332 State Moves to Revoke Dr. Ryan Cole's License for Prescribing Ivermectin, COVID-19 Vaccine Comments
January 23, 2023
Washington state's medical commission has brought charges against Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist, over alleged false and misleading statements about COVID-19 vaccines and his prescribing of ivermectin to treat COVID-19.


Do as I say, not as I do.
Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:19 PM (9qHsE)

I hope he fights it, and wins.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (XvPQV)

358 Manufacturing is generally cheap. The most expensive part is ... R&D.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (yPXGm)

By "R&D" I assume you mean the massive testing that is now required by the FDA for new drugs. But Pfizer got a pass on that.

Posted by: Caliban at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (ni2c1)

359 307
Pharmacy has owned doctors since the first drug rep showed up at the family practice with tickets to ball games.
Posted by: Auspex

I keep hearing that but never in 25 years have I seen anything more than a pen laying around. I did see one of those Levitra 'pens that went up' LOL. Guess I was the wrong kind of doctor.

We don't even let Pharm reps in the building. Damn, I coulda got pro tickets?

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (JjNlG)

360 After seeing Died Suddenly anyone I hear dropping from a heart or stroke I have to at least wonder if from the Fake Vax

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (xhxe8)

361 Trump's breat still reeks!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimlime at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (Fu4/f)

362 Even then, I was advised to be vaccinated by multiple doctors including my rheumatologist and an infectious disease doctor.
Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (bDjBG)

Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.

Posted by: Independent critical thinkers? Some but hardly all at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (s2na+)

363 he date I use for "op transition" is Easter of 2020. By then, we knew that the hospital system was not going to collapse. We knew approximately what the spread looked like. We had some ideas on how to treat it, with more to come fairly quickly. Lower-impact countermeasures - improved sanitation, mandatory sick time to keep sick people out of the workforce, etc. - would have been easy to implement and somewhat effective. We knew it by then.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OG

It became an OP when Trump floated Easter as the day he'd like to reopen.
No way, were they giving up newly granted powers....

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (mR6Gs)

364 My uncle had a stroke and know he had the Fake Vax

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (xhxe8)

365 Entire nations literally may have just killed themselves with jabs, weaponized migration, and famines on scale the earth never has seen."
==
the dragon swept a third of the stars from the sky

Posted by: well well well at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (teFAO)

366 stopping your doctor from giving off label drugs like Ivermectin.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (9qHsE)


I'm sure all the celebs will still be able to get Ozempic, though.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (DRSnL)

367 "Nobody has any valid excuse for the shutdowns and associated bad policy after May 2020. If they didn't know then, it was because they didn't want to know or otherwise found it convenient and/or the path of least institutional resistance.
Posted by: CppThis"


Son #3 was born in May 2020 and I spent a 3 days in the hospital with wife. It was painfully obvious there was no plague or any sign of one except the stupid masks and social distancing. No crowding, panic, trouble checking in or getting nurse or doctor. And sure as hell no corpses stacked up.


This was obvious to every single person in that hospital but yet they continued to go along with the farce. And most hospitals still do still do to this day. It is mind boggling

Posted by: Ripleys at January 23, 2023 04:26 PM (cUYo/)

368 I suspect there are few people that at this point don't know more people that died from the clot shot then have died from COVID unless they work in nursing home.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:26 PM (lc5cP)

369 The CDC and NIH are dog shit. They should never be trusted again. Ever.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 23, 2023 04:26 PM (8Voqu)

370 No. I think he let Sean Connery fill that big red diaper.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (zZu0s)

OUTLAND is a good movie

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 23, 2023 04:26 PM (dKiJG)

371 "They were calling for a low-cost generic competitor to Big Pharma's vaccines."

It exists: saline. Just as effective, and markedly less risky.

Posted by: gp Extends His Arms, Retracts His Nipples at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (24fqN)

372 What would Nina JackOffTitz sing?

Posted by: Marooned at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (w6hJ9)

373 I keep hearing that but never in 25 years have I seen anything more than a pen laying around. I did see one of those Levitra 'pens that went up' LOL. Guess I was the wrong kind of doctor.

We don't even let Pharm reps in the building. Damn, I coulda got pro tickets?
Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (JjNlG)

Wrong.
My doctor had notoriously long wait times and while waiting, I saw a PARADE of young good-looking Pharma sales reps coming in and out....

Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (mR6Gs)

374 Here's the generally accepted reason for that, and it's not, "The flu shot is fake!" At any given moment, there are about 20 different variants of the flu floating around in China, where nearly every flu outbreak originates. CDC and loads of other groups monitor that roiling cauldron of shit and try to make an educated guess regarding which of those variants is going to be the big ones in the US that year. Once they make their picks, they ramp up production in the US of the vaccines to guard against those variants. Usually they do a pretty good job and millions of people don't get the flu that year.
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Close. It does not provide immunity. It provides symptom mitigation, and is why it is practical for the elderly to get the vaccine, as it tries to make the flu less lethal. It is not a vaccine in the purest sense.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (UVyKP)

375 Probably has been covered so I'll put it down here in the willowed section:

"ROME — The once-prestigious UK Lancet medical journal urges a “revolutionary shift of perspective” away from human-centered health care in favor of “ecological equity” attributing equal value to all life"

https://tinyurl.com/286ymbr4

Posted by: Javems at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (AmoqO)

376 it is very likely that Celine Dion got her Stiff Person Syndrome from the COVID vaccine

Stiff Person Syndrome, it, how do you say, comes from seeing a beautiful woman's nakedness.

Posted by: The Paolo at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (ZGrMX)

377 A friend of mine, healthy 50 year old just died of a stroke. I think it was the vaccine.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:21 PM (koDN3)
______________

A friend of mine, a baseball buddy, a tennis pro, and in incredible shape, died at 50 of a heart attack.

Oh wait. That was a year before Covid surfaced.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (yPXGm)

378 370 No. I think he let Sean Connery fill that big red diaper.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 23, 2023 03:38 PM (zZu0s)

OUTLAND is a good movie
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 23, 2023 04:26 PM (dKiJG)

========

It's no Zardoz.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (LvTSG)

379 366 stopping your doctor from giving off label drugs like Ivermectin.

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 23, 2023 04:17 PM (9qHsE)

I'm sure all the celebs will still be able to get Ozempic, though.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (DRSnL)

They're liberal elites with lots of money. They can get whatever the fuck they want.

Posted by: We are not a free people anymore at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (s2na+)

380 Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.
==
Its a positional strategy. THe bad guys gain control of the academies, the think tanks the professional societies writing guidelines. The average nose to the grindstone doc doesn't have the time/energy resources or organization to push back against a professional group's consensus statement.

Posted by: its the tail wagging the dog the whole fcuking country is a pyramid scheme at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (FCFS6)

381 Interesting site of coincidences

https://www.realnotrare.com/

Posted by: Name the CIA Director installed by Ford after #DeepState Removed Nixon at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (OeAlt)

382 It became an OP when Trump floated Easter as the day he'd like to reopen.
No way, were they giving up newly granted powers....
Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (mR6Gs)

Dr. Birx admitted as much in her book on the vax. Their short term goal was to get Trump to close for 2 weeks, knowing full well that if he consented to that they would be able to keep us closed for as long as it took to tarnish Trump and get a Dem elected in 2020.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (/iWhV)

383 It became an OP when Trump floated Easter as the day he'd like to reopen.
No way, were they giving up newly granted powers....


I remember the shrieking in the media when Trump floated that.

Posted by: The Paolo at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (ZGrMX)

384 The date I use for "op transition" is Easter of 2020. By then, we knew that the hospital system was not going to collapse. We knew approximately what the spread looked like. We had some ideas on how to treat it, with more to come fairly quickly. Lower-impact countermeasures - improved sanitation, mandatory sick time to keep sick people out of the workforce, etc. - would have been easy to implement and somewhat effective. We knew it by then.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OGg)


Certainly by May, the death numbers were obvious: You're in trouble if you're over 100 (Then again, you were already in trouble, because you were over 100), elevated risk down to about 65, normal flu down to about 50, actually less risk than regular flu if under 50.

And then came the Floyd Charade, and everyone on both sides knew it was an op, but one side recognized that for their side, it was a very good op.

Posted by: Wally at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (FJYfm)

385 "What would Nina JackOffTitz sing?"

'Cover Me With Your Love.'

Posted by: gp Extends His Arms, Retracts His Nipples at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (24fqN)

386 Hey Pharma, i glove slap you and air kiss your bitch.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (pL0aq)

387 Outland is shockingly dull.

Zardoz is lots of stuff, including poor quality in sets, designs, characterization....but it's not dull.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (XvPQV)

388 My brother in law just passed at 51 from pancreatic cancer. Vaxxed. Only history of cancer in my wife's family was brain cancer in an extended aunt.

No one can make me believe the vaxx wasn't a contributing factor. B-i-l didn't smoke, didn't drink, didn't do drugs.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:18 PM (IV8H

A friend of mine, healthy 50 year old just died of a stroke. I think it was the vaccine.

Posted by: CaliGirl


...and here's my sorry ass, taking crap care of myself, unvaxxed, edge of 52, still kickin' (knocks on wood).

Swear to God, that bout of endocarditis I had when the 'Rona hit may have spared me. Strange how He works sometimes.

Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (OUMaO)

389 Phyllis Diller had a card catalog that contained 50,000 jokes. You can also purchase some of her art. And probably, wigs.

Posted by: Boy, Did I Get a Wrong Number at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (8ocB+)

390 Wrong.
My doctor had notoriously long wait times and while waiting, I saw a PARADE of young good-looking Pharma sales reps coming in and out....
Posted by: JoeF.

Maybe you need a different doctor.

369 The CDC and NIH are dog shit. They should never be trusted again. Ever. Posted by: Marcus T

110% Correct. Utterly compromised.

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (JjNlG)

391 Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.
__________

I suspect it's fear of liability for deviating from "standard of care."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (yPXGm)

392 380 Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.
==
Its a positional strategy. THe bad guys gain control of the academies, the think tanks the professional societies writing guidelines. The average nose to the grindstone doc doesn't have the time/energy resources or organization to push back against a professional group's consensus statement.
Posted by: its the tail wagging the dog the whole fcuking country is a pyramid scheme at January 23, 2023 04:28 PM (FCFS6)

Professional associations are unions or guilds for the professions.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (eYoxG)

393 Remember it is completely objectionable to associate sudden death/injury with the COVID vaccine as opposed to serious areas of inquiry like global warming or white supremacy.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:30 PM (lc5cP)

394 it is very likely that Celine Dion got her Stiff Person Syndrome from the COVID vaccine
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Or she doesn't follow directions well

Posted by: Lot's Wife at January 23, 2023 04:30 PM (teFAO)

395 387 Outland is shockingly dull.

Zardoz is lots of stuff, including poor quality in sets, designs, characterization....but it's not dull.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (XvPQV)

========

I think Outland is competent, sometimes a bit terrifying (especially near the beginning), and has some great model work while repackaging High Noon in a scifi setting.

Zardoz is...something. I look forward to my John Boorman run.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:30 PM (LvTSG)

396 Doctors typically have large student loan balances, and then large mortgages and boat payments. As a result, they usually do what they're told.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 23, 2023 04:30 PM (ik/65)

397 372 What would Nina JackOffTitz sing?
Posted by: Marooned at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (w6hJ9)

If her tits are that good, who cares what she sings?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 23, 2023 04:30 PM (XvPQV)

398 Outland is shockingly dull.

It really is. It's a borathon.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (ppBhU)

399 A friend of mine, a baseball buddy, a tennis pro, and in incredible shape, died at 50 of a heart attack.

Oh wait. That was a year before Covid surfaced.

---

It did occasionally happen before the manmade virus and injection was released.

Now that the manmade virus and injection are present with known effects and side-effects, it has to be assumed to be a variable.

Posted by: Name the CIA Director installed by Ford after #DeepState Removed Nixon at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (OeAlt)

400 A friend of mine, a baseball buddy, a tennis pro, and in incredible shape, died at 50 of a heart attack.

Oh wait. That was a year before Covid surfaced.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

There's always an outlier. Let's add to that list. Normal healthy 17 yr olds don't have heart attacks and die.

17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear
•17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice
•16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021
•16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage
•19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death
•16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game
•15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game
•19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies
•17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (IV8Hw)

401 Until they explain to me how Nelly Korda came down with a clotting condition, I'm not listening to the medical community

Posted by: Wally at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (FJYfm)

402 Professional associations are unions or guilds for the professions.
\=
and much like unions the leadership is corrupted and have their own agenda that has little to nothing to due with members actual needs.

Posted by: Exactly at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (teFAO)

403 I'm just glad the arrows on the shopping aisle floors helped prevent covid.

If only we'd had them to save us from the horrors of Net Neutrality being shut down

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (0hOvj)

404 Outland has its moments. I liked what the music will sound like in the future.

Posted by: gp Extends His Arms, Retracts His Nipples at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (24fqN)

405 I agree the treatment almost killed him. I know someone else that was in their 70s and refused the vent, said if it was his time so be it. He went home a week later.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 23, 2023 04:20 PM (koDN3)

You really REALLY don't want to go on a vent if you can avoid it.
Posted by: ICU does not stand for happy fun time at January 23, 2023 04:23 PM (s2na+)

---------

A conservative VA clinic doctor I know, who was having difficulty breathing after getting Covid, was told by his superiors that he HAD TO go to the VA Medical Center for emergency treatment.

He told them "Screw that -- they'll kill me in there." He treated himself with Ivermectin, supplements, and other therapeutics and, despite having some lung damage and needing oxygen initially, he survived. He also immediately retired before they could fire him.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 23, 2023 04:32 PM (psNWM)

406
I suspect it's fear of liability for deviating from "standard of care."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:29 PM (yPXGm)

That's a big part of it, even if the standard of care is horrifying - like trying to warp the standard of care for pediatric gender dysmorphia to be slashing and gashing. Like what the Joker said about everything going according to plan.

Posted by: Sometimes the plan is horrifying at January 23, 2023 04:32 PM (s2na+)

407 Misogyny on a grand scale here. I'll have you know that Lot's wife was a pillar of her community.

Posted by: Ancient Rotary Club at January 23, 2023 04:32 PM (8ocB+)

408 If the COVID jab worked you would have real numbers on side effects from it.

The very fact that the health care bureaucracy has made accurate numbers hard to impossible to get tells you they know what those results would show.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 23, 2023 04:32 PM (lc5cP)

409 The date I use for "op transition" is Easter of 2020. By then, we knew that the hospital system was not going to collapse. We knew approximately what the spread looked like. We had some ideas on how to treat it, with more to come fairly quickly. Lower-impact countermeasures - improved sanitation, mandatory sick time to keep sick people out of the workforce, etc. - would have been easy to implement and somewhat effective. We knew it by then.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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I would judge your assessment as being correct.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (bDjBG)

410 The neat part is that the injection causes "long COVID", too.

Which is apparently just reactivation of old viruses - and likely cancers - your system had defeated. COVID does it and the injection does it.

Working as designed.

Posted by: Name the CIA Director installed by Ford after #DeepState Removed Nixon at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (OeAlt)

411 He told them "Screw that -- they'll kill me in there."
___

Smart man.

Posted by: DoD at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (KZRjX)

412 NOOD

Posted by: Skip at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (xhxe8)

413 17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear
•29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match
•27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita collapses and dies during practice
•32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the j @b
•24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room and during that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously
•23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital
•37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead
•Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack
•24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest
•25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest
•31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field
•29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after j @b has myocarditis
•30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (IV8Hw)

414 358 By "R&D" I assume you mean the massive testing that is now required by the FDA for new drugs. But Pfizer got a pass on that.
Posted by: Caliban at January 23, 2023 04:24 PM (ni2c1)


Testing is expensive, but it's not the only cost. Drug R&D is not so much superhero scientists flexing their godlike brains to save the world as it is a million competent monkeys trying to recreate Shakespeare. Many years ago I discovered a pharma R&D guy's blog and read some of the posts; it was an interesting perspective on how the sausage is made and just how many attempts they have to make before they have something that's fit for clinical trials. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure he worked for Pfizer.

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (PZvjL)

415 There is a crypto token called "unvaxxed sperm" you can look up amd trade. I wonder if one token is worth 1ml of unvaxxed goo once we reach the Handmaid's Tail part of our dystopia.

Posted by: Mr. Anderson at January 23, 2023 04:33 PM (VPBcc)

416 The FDA isn't compromised, though. I know because I saw the head of the FDA last year say that the biggest killer of Americans is "misinformation." Totally not politicized. Total straight shooters. And it was just a coincidence that at the same time the White House and the Corrupt Media were starting to push the whole "misinformation" narrative.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 23, 2023 04:34 PM (ik/65)

417 I think Outland is competent, sometimes a bit terrifying (especially near the beginning), and has some great model work while repackaging High Noon in a scifi setting.

I agree generally but its pretty slow going (but then, High Noon was, too)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 23, 2023 04:34 PM (0hOvj)

418 Zardoz is...something. I look forward to my John Boorman run.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023 04:30 PM (LvTSG)


Just be careful who you go to Second Level with...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 23, 2023 04:34 PM (PiwSw)

419 I trust no one in the medical community.

And I'm not alone in feeling this way.

Watching dancing nurses while loved ones perish alone kinda has that effect on me.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:35 PM (NI0fb)

420 Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.

110% Correct. Partly fatigue, partly overwhelming noise info bombardment S/N, part laziness, part there some REALLY bad doctors out there, part to be frank the quality overall of docs is declining due to 'reasons.'

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at January 23, 2023 04:35 PM (JjNlG)

421 This was obvious to every single person in that hospital but yet they continued to go along with the farce. And most hospitals still do still do to this day. It is mind boggling
Posted by: Ripleys at January 23, 2023 04:26 PM (cUYo/)

Hotel security chased locals all over town for taking pictures of an empty parking lot. This was in Dansville, NY Just didn't chase off hotel property.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 23, 2023 04:35 PM (i0Kzs)

422 There is a crypto token called "unvaxxed sperm" you can look up amd trade. I wonder if one token is worth 1ml of unvaxxed goo once we reach the Handmaid's Tail part of our dystopia.
Posted by: Mr. Anderson
___

There's also unjabbed young women that refuse to date jabbed guys, for fear of being unable to have healthy children.

Right or wrong, this is the future.

Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:36 PM (NI0fb)

423 My doctor had notoriously long wait times and while waiting, I saw a PARADE of young good-looking Pharma sales reps coming in and out....
Posted by: JoeF. at January 23, 2023 04:27 PM (mR6Gs)

Yup. Most are hot little numbers. Sex sells.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 23, 2023 04:37 PM (BdMk6)

424 Goes about another 100 lines down.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 03:59 PM (IV8Hw)

In order to make that list useful, it needs to be compared with prior years. High school and college athletes dying has always been a thing, there's a reason death is always included on the release form when you participate in school sports. With millions of athletes that are intensively training there's always a small number that will have undiagnosed health conditions that can turn fatal from strenuous exercise.

Posted by: Sjg at January 23, 2023 04:37 PM (gDSJf)

425 Vice proves, yet again, they're a complete joke.

https://bit.ly/3wuXDuB

Posted by: bonhomme at January 23, 2023 04:37 PM (eyxn4)

426 There's also unjabbed young women that refuse to date jabbed guys, for fear of being unable to have healthy children.

Right or wrong, this is the future.
Posted by: SMH at January 23, 2023 04:36 PM (NI0fb)


Might not even be a health issue. Might just be weeding out Democrats, who make terrible husbands and fathers.

Posted by: Wally at January 23, 2023 04:37 PM (FJYfm)

427 FDA last year say that the biggest killer of Americans is "misinformation."
==
Well was he talking about the "food pyramid" publicized for 30 years advising everybody to pound carbs and avoid protein? In that case he'd be right, its just that that particular piece of misinformation was coming from the government with the aid of the media. Oops, oopsie. Fool me once . . .

Posted by: So how's that explosion in DM coming along? at January 23, 2023 04:37 PM (ez53g)

428 Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 23, 2023 04:31 PM (IV8Hw)
_____________

May be attributable to the vaccine, but OTOH, recall that every year young football players die during Hell Week, typically from undiagnosed heart problems.

So the question is: what is the usual rate of such deaths?

For my part, I have no idea.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 23, 2023 04:38 PM (yPXGm)

429
Outland is shockingly dull.


Nah. I like it. All except for the pansy-assed kid actor playing Connery's son. What a whiny pussy.

Then again, it may be a subtle clue that Connery's wife was peddling her quim out to whoever wanted it on the space station. Whoops, should have worn that rubber. Because there's no way in HELL that wussy was Connery's spawn.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 23, 2023 04:38 PM (n+4am)

430 Whig and Joe Mannix - we didn't have enough data compilation done by Easter, but it wasn't too much later. We knew before masks ever became a thing they didn't work. The Koreans had already verified covid wasn't spread by surface contact. Princeton absolutely doubled down on that, that was late April I think, or at least when it was reported. At that point I realized it was an op. Oh, and OSHA consenting to some of these "engineering" or administrative protocols that they knew didn't work. They most certainly did not call them PPE, because you can't call something PPE which the manufacturer admits doesn't do the job.

Then there was the random study saying masks work, just to be disproven shortly after their release.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 23, 2023 04:39 PM (UVyKP)

431 362 Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.
Posted by: Independent critical thinkers? Some but hardly all at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (s2na+)


Oxy.

Posted by: CppThis at January 23, 2023 04:39 PM (PZvjL)

432 278. The story says the baby received 4 vaccinations at the appt. Babies receive combo vaccinations at very early ages . I believe a combination vaccine is what the baby received and it is unclear that a Covid vaccine was one of them.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 23, 2023 04:40 PM (kPCXQ)

433 Short skirt and a tight sweater.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2023

========
*takes envelope from forehead*

What Dolley was wearing on our first date...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 23, 2023


***
Heh. On our second date, Mrs. Wolfus No. 2-to-be asked if I was after her body. In those words. I said, 'Hell, yes." That took some of the stress out of things, I tell ya. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 23, 2023 04:44 PM (J2vNu)

434 For my part, I have no idea.
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There have been more professional athletes collapsing IN GAME, all across the world, than ever before. There is data, its reported. But you also have seen lots of video of people dropping on the court, field, pitch, whatever. Its odd and unexplained at the very very best. Then you look at the excess deaths population wise, world wide. There is a definite spike and it is in the wrong age groups to be old age. There's a signal there. It means something. It will be nailed down eventually. No more boosters, please, people. Just stop it. You are only adding risk.

Posted by: Time to stop at January 23, 2023 04:45 PM (mWPHb)

435 Doctors are frighteningly susceptible to coercion by consensus, groupthink, and "new and shiny thingism." Think about how doctors acted the second the HPV vaccine hit the shelves.
Posted by: Independent critical thinkers? Some but hardly all at January 23, 2023 04:25 PM (s2na+)

Oxy.
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That was an op. The professional societies pushed "PAIN AS THE FIFTH VITAL SIGN" hard for several years before that. Pushed it as STD of CARE for Nurses to advocate for pain control ZERO PAIN no reason for any patient to be in pain. There is a link between these professional societies and the drug companies.

Posted by: Time to stop at January 23, 2023 04:47 PM (SXmG0)

436 >"Are you after my body?"
"No."
>"Whatareyou gay?"

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 23, 2023 04:48 PM (44ww/)

437 I keep telling you. The reason we have all the dialysis clinics is because they prescribe pills that damage your kidneys. They don't monitor them for damage either. Does anyone seem to care?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 23, 2023 04:51 PM (4IUUf)

438 Regarding excessive deaths, we have a long record of being able to predict deaths in masses (that is what the life and health insurance companies depend upon to make a buck after all) and what causes that they will die of.

In country after country, UK, Germany, Israel, etc., the West has been seeing excessive deaths in cardiac events, respiratory events, cancer events, and other miscellaneous areas. I am leaving out drug ods, crime deaths, covid deaths etc.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:53 PM (bDjBG)

439 CDC and loads of other groups monitor that roiling cauldron of shit ...

Posted by: bonhomme
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Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 04:55 PM (Zktzy)

440 Where's the definitive data analysis on pre-COVID vs. post-COVID death rates due to all causes? Cross referenced with those vaxxed vs. not vaxxed. Sorted by age.

Say, from 2018 to 2022.

That would be an interesting, if not outright disturbing analysis to have handy if one was considering legal action.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 23, 2023 04:55 PM (Q4IgG)

441 In order to make that list useful, it needs to be compared with prior years. High school and college athletes dying has always been a thing, there's a reason death is always included on the release form when you participate in school sports. With millions of athletes that are intensively training there's always a small number that will have undiagnosed health conditions that can turn fatal from strenuous exercise.
Posted by: Sjg
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It's been done. Excessive deaths in country after country after 2021.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:55 PM (bDjBG)

442 I trust no one in the medical community.

And I'm not alone in feeling this way.

Watching dancing nurses while loved ones perish alone kinda has that effect on me.

Posted by: SMH

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Can I sit by you?

Posted by: Name the CIA Director installed by Ford after #DeepState Removed Nixon at January 23, 2023 04:56 PM (OeAlt)

443 437 I keep telling you. The reason we have all the dialysis clinics is because they prescribe pills that damage your kidneys. They don't monitor them for damage either. Does anyone seem to care?
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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The pills they prescribe keeps us alive long enough to need dialysis.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 04:57 PM (Zktzy)

444 -----------
It's been done. Excessive deaths in country after country after 2021.
Posted by: whig
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I'd like to see that.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 04:59 PM (Zktzy)

445 440
Link goes to Karl Denniger who has been tracking studies on it. This is Puerto Rico and cardiac events.
https://tinyurl.com/2tw8f4ve

Disability rates
https://tinyurl.com/68t6877s

Steve Kirsch on Israeli data of vaxx harm
https://tinyurl.com/mry3spdv

Will Jones worldwide data on SE Asian countries
https://tinyurl.com/55fb6hd3

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 05:02 PM (bDjBG)

446 It's been done. Excessive deaths in country after country after 2021.
Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 04:55 PM (bDjBG)

Excess deaths is going to include all kinds of noise, like delayed screening and treatments from doctors not taking appoinments, diet and exercise changes, mental stress from lockdowns and lack of socialization.

If the subject is adverse vaccine outcomes among athletes, then athletes need to be compared between the years before and after the vaccine was given.

Posted by: Sjg at January 23, 2023 05:03 PM (gDSJf)

447 Excess deaths is going to include all kinds of noise, like delayed screening and treatments from doctors not taking appoinments, diet and exercise changes, mental stress from lockdowns and lack of socialization.
Posted by: Sjg

SJG,
FWIW, back in the day when I did big data projects, my specialty was event history data and sorting out specific versus general effects to determine causation. It got though to the point where you can see data trends and separate out confounding data pretty heuristically. Essentially, if you are dealing with time series data, there is no reason that your data should suddenly go wonky a full year after Covid vaxxes were available if they did not when Covid was spreading rapidly with no treatments. Likewise of the PR study which dealt with cardiac injury among the vaxxed.

I have come to terms with the fact that the vaxx has injured my health but due to facts that I take doses of powerful drugs designed to reduce inflammation, I will probably not suffer the full effects as a consolation prize.

Posted by: whig at January 23, 2023 05:19 PM (bDjBG)

448 I want to see some actuary tables.
How many died of what each year.
What is the variance the last three years over the preceding ten in each category?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 23, 2023 05:27 PM (Zktzy)

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Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at January 23, 2023 11:57 PM (IFmnq)

450 248 Before the vaccines were rolled out for my age range, I knew
1) Covid was about half as dangerous to me as flu and no one had ever given me grief for not getting flu shots.
2) Israel was already recommending boosters because vaxxed people were contracting Covid.
3) It was already becoming evident that there was a significant risk of autoimmune diseases, weird viral diseases, and cancer.
4) I knew two people who didn't survive their shots, and unlike the supposed Covid deaths in my circle, the injected deaths were healthy, active people.
5) The previous animal trials for mRNA treatments were not successful.

I was NOT clamoring for vaccines. What I wanted was for people to stop being insane and going along with the Covid response destruction.
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