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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
Thirty years ago, Guan County, Shandong Province launched the “Hundred Childless Days” campaign under the aegis of national family planning, known in the West as the “one-child policy.” The birthplace of the “Boxers” was deemed to have too high a birth rate by the provincial government. County officials sought to correct this by ensuring that not a single baby was born between May 1 and August 10, 1991. As local accounts attest, authorities in the area went to extraordinarily inhumane lengths to be the “best” at reproducing the least. In what some locals called “the slaughter of the lambs,” women across Guan County were rounded up for forced abortions or induction of labor; one local official claims that these “procedures” were sometimes no more than a kick in the stomach from an out-of-town mercenary. Children who did make it into the world were reportedly strangled, and their bodies tossed into open pits. The families of pregnant women were publicly shamed in reprises of the Cultural Revolution. Under the one-child policy, local officials in China were responsible for implementing broad guidelines from the central government about family planning quotas, leaving little oversight of how localities reached their target birth rates. In some extreme cases, such as in Guan County, this led to gruesome abuses. While the “one-child policy” was loosened to a two-child policy in 2015, its lingering effects will only be felt more acutely in the coming years. As China’s population ages and may be shrinking, the economic and social repercussions wrought by a generation of curtailed births are only just beginning to sting.
Read the whole thing. It is a perfect encapsulation of socialism, and a damning indictment of its fellow travelers in America, because this is exactly what we can look forward to if we do not push back with every means available against the encroachment of this horrid communitarian mindset that will lead inexorably to death on a scale that we have seen only at the hands of...socialism! The current Chinese dictators are using very similar policies to try (and fail) to control the spread of Wuhan Flu. In fact, brutality is the first step in most of their policies, and they have bought off the Chinese people with prosperity. But that is tenuous today, and may very well crash back to levels China has not seen in a generation. Their demographic calamity has already occurred, and there is nothing that can be done to repair the damage. China faces a series of awful decisions in the next generation, and while it is delightful to see, the repercussions will be felt world wide. Does anyone doubt that their traditional brutality will not be used to minimize the effects of these decisions on their ruling class? [Hat Tip: Jay Guevara]
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Skip at January 24, 2023 11:01 AM (Gf252)
Posted by: Skip at January 24, 2023 11:02 AM (Gf252)
-Those who definitely care for the poor
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2023 11:03 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:04 AM (eOEVl)
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Is there film? We would like to show this at next year's Forum!
Posted by: Klaus Schwab, actual Nazi villain, and Brian Stelter, Schwab assistant at January 24, 2023 11:04 AM (FQnU8)
Does anyone doubt? Does anyone care? We can't fix China. We can't even fix the USA.
Posted by: gp Is Committed To Doing The Important Work at January 24, 2023 11:05 AM (24fqN)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
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Not for the next 40-50 years, no. The only hope of the system in Red China is that they can survive - somehow - long enough to bring up another much-larger generation. The problem with that is how to do it. How do they get people to have kids? There are various things they could try, but their entire structure is designed against it. Chinese-style urbanism, for example, is not conducive to large families.
China is probably done for as a global power. Their population will shrink by at least a third (probably more) within thirty years, and it's increasingly old.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:05 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
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"The fact that fewer people are dying every year from weather related events is proof that more people are dying every year from weather related events."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (LvTSG)
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Like getting them all to jump up and down at the same in unison time to restart the Earth in the right direction!
@disclosetv · 19h
NEW - Chinese researchers claim Earth's inner core "came to a near halt around 2009 and then turned in an opposite direction."
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (Vwz3I)
We're in a pretty similar situation though, as is much of the world.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (eYoxG)
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They give it the old college try, but there are limits. Overcoming demography with barbarism has limits.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)
I did however read the content.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:07 AM (Y+l9t)
I've said repeatedly that the true Leftist utopia is the complete extinction of mankind from the planet, as long as THEY are the ones to turn out the lights.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:07 AM (YIVH2)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (Vwz3I)
That's when the rise of the oceans slowed, and the planet began to heal.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:08 AM (rH9O0)
Must never have been tried correctly, wot?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2023 11:08 AM (CsVWE)
Posted by: Piper at January 24, 2023 11:08 AM (Ndbll)
Where are our WEF thought leaders and influencers going to get their youth blood transfusions if there's no babies?
Posted by: Auspex at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (BDDnd)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (MoZTd)
I take CHN is collapsing at the same value I take Putin shits his pants and RUS is out of shells.
I do think CHN is withdrawing culturally and economically from The West (The District of Columbia).
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (D7Wd9)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (qoGsy)
I think ManBearPig surfing on a boiling sea under a sky river would be quite the graphic?
It only lacks John Dean's "YAARRRGGHHH!!!", from perfection!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 24, 2023 11:10 AM (e6UQI)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 24, 2023 11:10 AM (MoZTd)
Safe, legal and rare!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 24, 2023 11:10 AM (MoZTd)
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Best we can do is unsafe, mandated, and ubiquitous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:11 AM (1ais2)
Presumably the advertisers can get detailed metrics on clicks so either 1) enough readers are clicking or 2) the ads are there for some other reason. I have no idea what that might be.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 24, 2023 11:11 AM (nfrXX)
Ectolife artificial wombs. Obviously.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9h3ts7
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:11 AM (eOEVl)
I've said repeatedly that the true Leftist utopia is the complete extinction of mankind from the planet, as long as THEY are the ones to turn out the lights.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:07 AM (YIVH2)
This may seem like a non-sequitur, but have you ever read the SM Stirling T2 books? One of the biggest allies of Skynet's rise to power is human environmentalists who want a completely unspoiled, virgin wilderness- that they are allowed to enjoy before the human race goes extinct because they have no plans to have children.
It seemed insane, but plausible, when the books were written. More plausible now.
Of course, Skynet merely uses them to accomplish it's ends- it does not give a fuck about the environment and these asshats are one of the first thrown in it's work/extermination camps.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2023 11:11 AM (CsVWE)
I take CHN is collapsing at the same value I take Putin shits his pants and RUS is out of shells.
I do think CHN is withdrawing culturally and economically from The West (The District of Columbia).
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (1ais2)
China is not immediately collapsing. They are set up for an inevitable collapse within the next century, as are we. They've still got some upwards momentum before peaking. We already peaked sometime in the last 20 years.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (eYoxG)
Demographic collapse is a real thing, but even then we should find an equilibrium replacement level eventually. Problem, of course, is that government doesn't have the will or the brains to come up with a solution beyond throwing granny off the cliff.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (/iWhV)
Where are our WEF thought leaders and influencers going to get their youth blood transfusions if there's no babies?
Posted by: Auspex at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (j4U/Z)
Euthanized Canadian teens and kids.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (1ais2)
Pictures that are gross, faux gross, or resemble something sexual are attention grabbing. Eyes = clicks
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (rH9O0)
It only lacks John Dean's "YAARRRGGHHH!!!", from perfection!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 24, 2023 11:10 AM (e6UQI)
Howard Dean.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
There have now been several mass killings of Chinese farm workers in the US. Why only Chinese?
Are there Chinese police stations in this country monitoring Chinese immigrants ?
Am I paranoid?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:13 AM (Y+l9t)
leave it to the synthetic-genders to complain
Posted by: SMOD at January 24, 2023 11:13 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (eYoxG)
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Not even close. We are in demographic trouble, especially in the Millennial generation (Millennials don't have enough kids), but we're nowhere near the levels of guaranteed catastrophe. China is much, much, much worse off. Our fertility rate is moving the wrong direction and is getting down into the irreversible danger zone, but we're not there yet and we were out of the danger zone as recently as 2017. There's hope for us. There's hope for France. There is no hope for China or Germany, not inside of thirty years. Brazil is in the danger zone.
Our fertility rate is too low, hitting 1.6 in 2020. Danger zone. Big time. Red China's is 1.3 and has been under 1.8 for most of the past thirty years - assuming that the CCP isn't lying about the figures.
We're in demographic trouble. They're in demographic catastrophe.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)
Weird how skynet behaves exactly like the soulless commies.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:13 AM (rH9O0)
Posted by: Repent and believe the Good News the Kingdom of God is at hand at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (ONn++)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:11 AM (1ais2)
It is easier to destroy a culture than to build. Repairing the morality of the people is a difficult thing. A good starting point would be correcting economic and status incentives so that women look less to the state and more for husbands though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)
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Mrs. Sponge has a better birthday than Mr. Sponge.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (LvTSG)
https://bit.ly/3WP4R7P
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)
Cradle robber.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (CsVWE)
Posted by: Auspex at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (j4U/Z)
"Fetuses" have blood
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (rH9O0)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (fs1hN)
Mrs. Sponge has a better birthday than Mr. Sponge.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (/iWhV)
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Urbanization and industry have roles, too. On the farm, kids are free labor. You want a lot of them and have plenty of space for them. In the city, kids are not free labor and you have very little room for them, especially in high-density cities like they have in China.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (pohLc)
Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (AwYPR)
THAT must never be abandoned, we shall indeed cease to exist if we do so.
I have utter faith in our populace to do the right thing, this is evident by the examples shown throughout our history.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (KATBx)
Posted by: Auspex at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (j4U/Z)
"Fetuses" have blood
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (rH9O0)
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Cloning tanks generating the necessary fetal tissue to support their immortality.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (YIVH2)
Cradle robber.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2023 11:15 AM (CsVWE)
I thought everyone was 29?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)
https://tinyurl.com/ManPlansGodLaughs
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (p+p92)
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (rH9O0)
Personally, I'd like a planetary pop of about 3B, but the problem is achieving equilibrium once you reach it. The Chinese (and others) are finding that it's difficult to get their citizens interested in having children again once they've gotten accustomed to the urban lifestyle. At some point, people have to want > 2.1 kids if humanity is going to survive.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (eOEVl)
Guilty as Charged, yer Honor.
My mitigating circumstance is not enough covfefe on board. Ima go fix dat now.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (e6UQI)
Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (AwYPR)
You must learn the ways of pussy control.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (pohLc)
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Vampire communists in cool weather?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2023 11:12 AM (/iWhV)
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Urbanization and industry have roles, too. On the farm, kids are free labor. You want a lot of them and have plenty of space for them. In the city, kids are not free labor and you have very little room for them, especially in high-density cities like they have in China.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
Cities have historically been population sinks. That is, terrible survival rates leading to net drains on population totals. Modern plumbing sanitation changed that for a time.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (eYoxG)
There have now been several mass killings of Chinese farm workers in the US. Why only Chinese?
Are there Chinese police stations in this country monitoring Chinese immigrants
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Chinese spy networks are heavily into farming. They are stealing genetically modified crops to try and reverse engineer them. Its been going on for decades. If you google it you will find articles. They got really pissed at us because we have varieties of wheat that are very very hardy drought resistant and that's why they have trouble growing their own food. Too dry.
Posted by: They use credit as a weapon, we use food at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (dxmKa)
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"Cross your legs tightly and don't push ma'am. Pant! Like this, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo. Lie back and think of Mao. Two more weeks, you've GOT this!"
/Chinese Lamaze coach on July 28, 1991
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (ykeLU)
The tea leaves are already out there.
In totally unrelated articles, things like movie reviews, you can already see the writer/reviewer praising the responsible couples 'who choose not to have children." because, you know, the planet is dying.
Reviewers have started praising film-makers for including characters and couples who choose or refuse to have children. You see the fake(???) news that guys are getting vasectomies to support women who want abortions but "can't" get one.
Also, "babies? Yuck, they just chain you down!" is another popular thing for women characters to say.
Right now, the progtards are saying choice, and if someone chooses not to have children...well, that's just fine. If maybe weird to want to hop out of the Darwinian game.
Bu-u-u-u-ut, as we know, soon you irresponsible people having children will need to be forced to "to do what's right for the planet, and for those wonderful people who wish to "save" it.
Think vax and masks. It's coming.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 11:17 AM (KLPy8)
Posted by: Sponge
We need common sense pussy control!!
What am I say? No we don't!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (qoGsy)
Posted by: mr tmz at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (rJ48h)
NEW 🚨 Bill Gates: “I see China’s rise as a huge win for the world ... the current mentality of the US to China, and which is reciprocated, is kind of a lose-lose mentality”.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (Vwz3I)
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You know the Donk whip's Antifa son who pretends to be daughter? He'll always be a dumb c*nt to me.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (eOEVl)
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Why is 3 billion the magic number? Why not 1 billion, or 500 million? Why not 4 or 5 billion? What does "equilibrium" really look like? And to what lengths should humanity go to rigidly enforce it?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (D7Wd9)
We need common sense pussy control!!
What am I say? No we don't!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (qoGsy)
DO WHAT HE SAY! DO WHAT HE SAY!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)
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if you love your stuff/free time, more than you love your kids, that's a culture that's already dead.
Posted by: They use credit as a weapon, and cheap labor we use food at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (+BTt/)
JUST IN 🚨 King Abdullah meets Israeli PM Netanyahu in Jordan: palace
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (Vwz3I)
I read recently that SoKo is at 1.08. That's apocalyptic.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (D7Wd9)
He better get to work. He's 2 short of fielding a baseball team.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)
I did however read the content.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:07 AM (Y+l9t)
Whatever do you mean? Mine's got a young fit chick with a tight top. Pushing fat-burners or some such.
Posted by: Boobs are beautiful! (Well, these are) at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (s2na+)
Sure do hope she'll be fit and hale to be back in Corsicana, come October!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (e6UQI)
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (gf7Ez)
I read recently that SoKo is at 1.08. That's apocalyptic.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)
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It's okay. The government will provide for all the olds in their advanced years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (gf7Ez)
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"Actually, I told him that China was asshoe."
-Tom Friedman's cabbie
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (LvTSG)
Speaking of, I see that "trans age" is now in play -- okay to bang a 12-year-old if you "identify as" another 12-year-old, or some such crapola.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (bW8dp)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)
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Sometimes, some people here forget that.
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (krQz2)
if you love your stuff/free time, more than you love your kids, that's a culture that's already dead.
Posted by: They use credit as a weapon, and cheap labor we use food at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (+BTt/)
"What?!?"
- - Karen, wine mom spreading her legs right after the abortion
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)
I read recently that SoKo is at 1.08. That's apocalyptic.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)
And so a new dark age is in our future. The question becomes how to handle it.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:21 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Sponge
We need common sense pussy control!!
What am I say? No we don't!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (qoGsy)
You'll be hearing from my estate's lawyers.
Posted by: Zombie Prince at January 24, 2023 11:21 AM (s2na+)
Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2023 11:21 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (bW8dp)
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Emotional maturity should not be used as a substitute for physical maturity.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:21 AM (YIVH2)
NEW 🚨 Bill Gates: “I see China’s rise as a huge win for the world ... the current mentality of the US to China, and which is reciprocated, is kind of a lose-lose mentality”.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:18 AM (Vwz3I)
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China's rise was huge win in certain respects and for certain people. For the top-level financiers and business owners, it has been pretty good. It has allowed inflation to remain fairly low. It has had tremendous downsides, especially for the real economy and labor force in this country.
But Bill Gates is a fool. China is yesterday's news. They can't sustain. Anyone broadly betting on China today is going to lose. China will be replaced, and not as a single unit. Look to places like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Mexico and Argentina in the developing world and places like the US, Canada, France, possibly Australia in the developed world.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:21 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:20 AM (bW8dp)
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And, it will be much cheaper to retire at an orphans' home.
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:21 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (bW8dp)
Can we do Canada next?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (ykeLU)
Posted by: exdem13 at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (W+kMI)
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (CaJIi)
Dean Martin>Jimmy Dean>James Dean>Howard Dean>John Dean
Posted by: Auspex at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Auspex at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (j4U/Z)
Where does Dean Wormer fit in all of this?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (bW8dp)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)
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The WEF requires DEI training for all assassins on the payroll and who act as contractors.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (LvTSG)
We're in a pretty similar situation though, as is much of the world.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (eYoxG)
But 3/4 of our population are not semi-literate peasants.
Wait ...
Posted by: Kim Jong-un at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)
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South Korea is a demographic disaster. They will not be relevant and will not be able to produce or fight enough to hold off invasion. Given that it's relatively small (unlike China, for example), I would bet that Korea will be colonized again, by someone, at some point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:19 AM (eOEVl)
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South Korea is a demographic disaster. They will not be relevant and will not be able to produce or fight enough to hold off invasion. Given that it's relatively small (unlike China, for example), I would bet that Korea will be colonized again, by someone, at some point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (t0OGg)
It'd be darkly funny if that's how Japan ends up fixing its population problems.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:24 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: exdem13 at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (W+kMI)
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They already restated their 2020 numbers. Their population is closer to 1.3 billion, and most of the 100 million overcount took place during the one-child era, so most of those missing 100 million are women.
Bad news.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (bW8dp)
Dean Smith...only man who could hold Michael Jordan under 20 points.
Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (AwYPR)
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this. People have a weird evo bio neurosis about running out of food/resources. People make stuff, grow stuff, invent stuff. More people is not a bad thing. Its burned into our genes they are, because we spent a long time hunter gathering. People are not just demand, they are also supply. This often leads true neurotics to propose something like Logan's run or quality value years. The world got here without you controlling it, there is an invisible hand at work in createing resources, improving outputs and distributing. The main problem in countries with significant hunger is institutionalized corruption. Its not climate or resources. So in way, people are the problem, but its not the people they think.
Posted by: They use credit as a weapon, and cheap labor we use food at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (8eix0)
Can we do Canada next?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:22 AM (ykeLU)
Coming...
The Great Maple Syrup Famine of 2023.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (KLPy8)
Let's put it this way: if he wrote Gulliver's Travels today, it would have donkey and elephant characters in it.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (bW8dp)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:14 AM (eYoxG)
Yes. To the extent man is sinful by nature. Which he is. That seems to be the christian's duty. To make good out of bad. Which is why "HE is like a refiner's fire" I guess.
Day to day level I just see how industrial and cultural collapse is the most profitable situation for Int'l Finance.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: I volunteer as tribute at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (s2na+)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (D7Wd9)
Posted by: mr tmz at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (rJ48h)
Posted by: Brad Majors at January 24, 2023 11:26 AM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: I volunteer as tribute at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (s2na+)
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Get in line.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:26 AM (t0OGg)
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I'm smelling a movie. Attack of the Septuagenarian Asians!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:26 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 24, 2023 11:26 AM (uKKkn)
Which can only be bad news for humanity.
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2023 11:26 AM (CaJIi)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 11:26 AM (KLPy8)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (LvTSG)
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Agent 47 was unavailable for comment.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (YIVH2)
Mexicans are at 1.9.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM (bW8dp)
Dean Smith...only man who could hold Michael Jordan under 20 points.
Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (AwYPR)
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Dean Jones?
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: They use credit as a weapon, and cheap labor we use food at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (8eix0)
It seems to only show up in academia and those who go through it and only in relatively recent time periods. These population control ideas are not some sort of frequent historical recurrence.
So I am inclined to think it's an outgrowth of some erroneous idea, although the cultural root isn't obvious to me.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (eYoxG)
I did however read the content.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:07 AM (Y+l9t)
Crazy as it sounds I chalk it up to psychological warfare from the usual suspects. This site is absolutely on their radar.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:28 AM (1ais2)
It is the reason I've not vaccinated. Just waiting for that gov't phone call from Seoul...
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2023 11:28 AM (CaJIi)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:28 AM (ykeLU)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:23 AM
He's on the list, but on double-secret probation.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (bW8dp)
Will be a summer boxflop in two years.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (sI15f)
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (C7jzY)
'China is probably done for as a global power. Their population will shrink by at least a third (probably more) within thirty years, and it's increasingly old.'
I think it's a non sequitur that global power would necessarily go down.
The US global power would probably increase as long we lost the right third .
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (yvHe0)
Posted by: They use credit as a weapon, and cheap labor we use food at January 24, 2023 11:25 AM (8eix0)
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Yep. Imagine the world we'd have if every nation acted as America-Was-Founded instead of as America-That-Is (or worse).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (YIVH2)
They're not having kids, they're just indoctrinating yours.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (rH9O0)
NEW - Chinese researchers claim Earth's inner core "came to a near halt around 2009 and then turned in an opposite direction."
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (Vwz3I)
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I wonder if the magnetic pole changes if this truly happened
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (JZa8P)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (Vwz3I)
China faces a series of awful decisions in the next generation, and while it is delightful to see, the repercussions will be felt world wide.
What decisions are you talking about?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
I did however read the content.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:07 AM (Y+l9t)
Crazy as it sounds I chalk it up to psychological warfare from the usual suspects. This site is absolutely on their radar.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:28 AM (1ais2)
Well conservatives are said to have functioning disgust reflexes unlike liberals per studies.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (eYoxG)
The New Hotness: Be sterile, get tats, and play video games.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (D7Wd9)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
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How to celebrate Xi's gloriousness while fighting off hordes of starving Chinese peasants?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:28 AM (ykeLU)
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Maybe they were "sleepers" who were only just now activated to advance some CCP goal...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (YIVH2)
Sigh, this again. Who said anything about enforcement? Read what I said. Our problem now isn't enforcement, it's stabilization at some lower number than the current pop.
I said 3B because I think there are too many people. I like wide open spaces, with room for other species. I'm an introvert. Sue me.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (eOEVl)
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Way to go Gavin Newsom!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (FVME7)
The US global power would probably increase as long we lost the right third .
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (yvHe0)
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China's power is based on economics and they cannot sustain their economy on their population, nor can they produce enough to be an export engine. And that export engine gets harder to run if globalization retreats, which it looks like it is doing (though whether that's short-term due to shortages and the Ukraine war or longer-term remains to be seen).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (eYoxG)
To me, and I am a crank (proud), it is usury. If one thinks through how a "skilled" and "knowledgable" usurer operates both personally and business wise one comes to this conclusion. Husbanding resources and denying them from others.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (yQpMk)
They're not having kids, they're just indoctrinating yours.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (rH9O0)
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It's the only way they can proliferate.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:31 AM (YIVH2)
I said 3B because I think there are too many people. I like wide open spaces, with room for other species. I'm an introvert. Sue me.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (eOEVl)
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I don't understand why you don't think equilibrium can be maintained at 6 billion since we've been over it for more than 20 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)
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They're just collections of cells.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:31 AM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (eYoxG)
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I take that with a grain of salt. They are disgusted enough with people who don't replicate their politics.
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:31 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (C7jzY)
Theoretically and as an intellectual root yes. It doesn't generally play out that way in practice though t can have many forms, some of them depraved(Vajrayana, Tantric).
The short formulation is "Life is suffering, suffering is bad, reincarnation has us stuck in an endless life-loop of badness, so we must realize reality is an illusion(enlightenment) and escape it."
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:32 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: John Fetterman at January 24, 2023 11:32 AM (vwCZJ)
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:31 AM (krQz2)
Yeah. Seems more a conflict of different sets of disgust reflexes.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (D7Wd9)
Earth with 8 billion humans has plenty of both. Try again.
Posted by: spindrift at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (h5TKJ)
They're not having kids, they're just indoctrinating yours.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:29 AM (rH9O0)
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It's the only way they can proliferate.
Communism is a mind virus.
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (CaJIi)
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (rH9O0)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (D7Wd9)
WHAT YOU SAY!!????
- - Tiger Mom
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)
NEW - Chinese researchers claim Earth's inner core "came to a near halt around 2009 and then turned in an opposite direction."
They also said that covid came from bats.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (sI15f)
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OK.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (D7Wd9)
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Lady Vengeance seemed like a reasonable woman. I, at least, had sympathy for her.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:33 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: zombie jonathan swift at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (Vwz3I)
I said 3B because I think there are too many people. I like wide open spaces, with room for other species. I'm an introvert. Sue me.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (eOEVl)
So, 3B is just your magic number based on nothing, correct?
If there's no enforcement, how do you plan for us to get there?
And, why should we? Personal preference for say 12B is just as valid.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (KLPy8)
Chop chop...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (yEMHD)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:27 AM (eYoxG)
To me, and I am a crank (proud), it is usury. If one thinks through how a "skilled" and "knowledgable" usurer operates both personally and business wise one comes to this conclusion. Husbanding resources and denying them from others.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (1ais2)
Generally and for a few centuries now capital has been deployed productively.
Consumption credit is arguably not of this kind, but I don't see modern society as clearly more usurious in its practices.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (eYoxG)
It could. I'm just saying that I'd prefer 3B (more like what it was when I was born), but the problem is the same whatever the number. At some point, people have to start having more kids than they are now, or the wheels come off.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:35 AM (yQpMk)
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This is the difference between the Yankee Religious Polemic which always centers on who is more virtuous versus the organic understanding of faith - to soften the blow of the reality of life. The founding stories are themselves opposed - the Virginia Colony discovering an economic vehicle for success or the Pilgrims founding a perfect moral colony. This schism has cost America a lot of lives.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:35 AM (C7jzY)
More people died as a result of socialism in the 20th century than died in battle, in a war filled century.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 24, 2023 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: Puddinhead
Still makes more sense than Scientology.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:36 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:36 AM (yQpMk)
More people died as a result of socialism in the 20th century than died in battle, in a war filled century.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 24, 2023 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)
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That's nothing compared to the deaths by capitalism, starting with Hitler's war for the advancement of Adam Smith's ideals and going into all of the deaths by capitalism's pollution, especially the pollution in places like capitalistic Russia.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:36 AM (LvTSG)
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Have you ever seen black girls fighting? Shoosh. They even scare the black guys.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:36 AM (C7jzY)
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Americans used to, and some still do, flock to Mexico for wonderful vacations not so much Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc.. hmmmm?
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (ziH0B)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (eYoxG)
I define usury as any interest on money lent. In that sense, it is close to a world historic maximum.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (1ais2)
Then move and turn off the TV. The US, like almost all countries, is mostly empty.
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (CaJIi)
There have been prior population declines but the powers that be have traditionally viewed this as a very bad thing. As opposed to a desirable outcome.
Maybe it is the absence of monarchy? Monarchs are more inclined to identify an entire country with their own person, whereas lower aristocrats operate with the lens of competition with other aristocrats for the limited resources of the country.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (D7Wd9)
We're in demographic trouble. They're in demographic catastrophe."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:13 AM (t0OGg)
But we're also headed towards demographic catastrophe. And nobody is looking for answers. Like every other problem facing western civilization.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (76Foq)
/joking
Posted by: zombie jonathan swift at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (Y+l9t)
No, it's based on my preference for a world with more open space. I thought that was clearly stated.
If there's no enforcement, how do you plan for us to get there?
Why are you focused on enforcement in a world where the pop is already plummeting?
And, why should we? Personal preference for say 12B is just as valid.
Of course. You do you.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (eOEVl)
That's what happens when you don't allow law biding Citizens the right to carry
Posted by: It's me donna at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (bs+z0)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (eOEVl)
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And you still haven't answered how that magic number (whatever it is) will be maintained. At 3 billion people, there were plenty of available resources to support more people, so hey, presto, we got more people. Or the population declines to 3 billion, but then we discover that the resource distribution mechanisms we have in place are falling apart and can't be maintained, so we lose even more people until we get down to 2 billion or less. What do you propose to fix the population at a stable 3 billion? Who really is responsible for ensuring that the population is maintained at that level? A world government?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (YIVH2)
What could possibly go wrong, eh?
/Lefty meddlers
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (ykeLU)
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the LHC first went operational on 10 September 2008,but initial testing was delayed for 14 months from 19 September 2008 to 20 November 2009, following a magnet quench incident that caused extensive damage to over 50 superconducting magnets, their mountings, and the vacuum tube.
Posted by: Coincidence? I think not at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (dxmKa)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:35 AM (yQpMk)
Yeah, I actually thought we were going to have a Mini-Ice Age based on sunspot activity. However-
recent sunspot activity is pretty high and indicates a warmer period for the next few years at least.
And of course, gives the progtards a few to several years to point out the "proof of global warming".
Prepare your anus!...for extruding a bug-based diet.
*sigh*
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (KLPy8)
Socialist solutions for socialist problems! It just needs a catchy name. Like 'room to grow' or maybe 'living space.' That last one's not taken by anyone, is it?
Posted by: CppThis at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (PZvjL)
Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (sI15f)
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Its our number one export and the CIA is here to keep it that way.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (C7jzY)
Certainly not humans.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (Q4IgG)
And, why should we? Personal preference for say 12B is just as valid.
Of course. You do you.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (eOEVl)
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The population isn't plummeting. It rose from 7.71 billion in 2019 to 7.79 billion in 2020.
It may be slowing, but it's not plummeting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:06 AM (Vwz3I)
I think I saw that on Futurama. Are the Chinese watching reruns of Futurama?
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (gmo/4)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (Y+l9t)
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Because their vision of the world has fewer people with less wealth that is concentrated in a fairly tight ribbon at the top. A few hundred years ago, they'd be advocating for tight control of the serf population to ensure they produce enough surplus to keep the aristocrats happy but not so many new serfs that they cut in on the dance.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (t0OGg)
I think you're forgetting a little thing called Net Neutrality.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (eYoxG)
I define usury as any interest on money lent. In that sense, it is close to a world historic maximum.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (1ais2)
Functionally equity and debt as part of a capital structure are not all that different and can be structured to resemble each other.
For example the Muslims do adhere to this strict definition of usury, but have effectively entered banking through structuring.
If we need to restructure all debt as equity to meet a technical definition we could, but that it could be done without really changing how things work seems to show the technical definition is not the real issue.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)
https://bit.ly/3j23RiB
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (FVME7)
It may be slowing, but it's not plummeting.
Soon, my pets. Soon.
- Bill Gates
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (gmo/4)
I think you're forgetting a little thing called Net Neutrality.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)
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I thought we were talking 20th century deaths.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (LvTSG)
I think I saw that on Futurama. Are the Chinese watching reruns of Futurama?
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:39 AM (gmo/4)
I thought that was the episode of The Simpsons where they put that massive device on the toilet in Australia to make the toilet flush the right way.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
Because they're stupid?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (Vwz3I)
There have been prior population declines but the powers that be have traditionally viewed this as a very bad thing. As opposed to a desirable outcome.
Maybe it is the absence of monarchy? Monarchs are more inclined to identify an entire country with their own person, whereas lower aristocrats operate with the lens of competition with other aristocrats for the limited resources of the country.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023
It has been around forever and will be around forever.
Some periods have been more successful than others in opposing it.
That's why the Dark Ages were called Dark (by Usurers).
I think the correlation between population collapse (absent plague but after covid? Lol. Idk.) and embrace of Usury is ironclad.
See early Pilgrim birthrates pre and post the Mather Bros embrace of usury.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (1ais2)
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I keep pimp hand strong.
Posted by: A Korean Lady at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Archimedes at
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I find this is a common concern amongst people who spend most of their time in densely populated areas. It becomes sub consciously ingrained and a source of genuine anxiety. Drive across Kansas or Nebraska or Texas and get back to us.
Posted by: Examine your biases at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (5oW2b)
Posted by: CppThis at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM (PZvjL)
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Looting its neighbors and bringing the women home for wives is a possibility, but the problem is timing. China is in for a very, very rough 30-50 years of population decline, even if they start baby-making at a high rate right now. It takes 20 years before those new people start being productive.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (t0OGg)
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Jus-in-time supply chains assisted by AI will maximize efficiency enabling us to match birth rates to death rates. Steady state economics, baby!
/Big OB
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (ykeLU)
It may be slowing, but it's not plummeting.
You are correct. However, it's pretty much baked in now that it will, even assuming huge pop increases in places like Nigeria.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (eOEVl)
Because they're stupid?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (eOEVl)
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Because they are ideologues convinced that humanity is a virus that is killing mother Earth, and they are willing to do whatever is in their power to correct that problem, whether real or not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (LvTSG)
I've no idea what ELQs are. Maybe they can control population?
I think I'll go back to bed.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (anj39)
*******
Analytics!!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:42 AM (ykeLU)
Because they're stupid?
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First rule of Bond Villains - they are fake.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:42 AM (C7jzY)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
OK. Confirmed. Chinese scientists are watching reruns of both Futurama and the Simpsons.
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (gmo/4)
I dont have much land, but I think 2 acres is enough for goats, chickens and rabbits. I will be eating meat until physically unable to.
Posted by: Fool Otto at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (DB16e)
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Our illegals aren't Mexican's anymore. Pretty much all the Mexicans who are coming are already here. It's Central and South Americans now.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (yQpMk)
I'm still open to the United States creating an Empire of the Americas. I mean if we're being serious it would be the most humane thing to do instead of encouraging people to make perilous journeys north. Instead of people crossing our borders, our borders will cross them. We won't give them citizenship. Instead they'll retain a high degree of autonomy but the Federal government will be able to exercise a veto on whatever it deems "unconstitutional."
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, Available 4/14 at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (1Yy3c)
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (gmo/4)
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David X. Cohen and Matt Groening are actually the shadow emperors of the planet.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)
MasteroftheTDS@MasteroftheTDS
Mark Hamill likes a tweet of J.K. Rowling and the internet loses their minds as usual. Claiming he has done this once before so this isn’t an accident and he obviously supports transphobia.
These people need to go outside more…
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (FVME7)
You are a silly person.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 24, 2023 11:43 AM (BTgKJ)
the need to lower the population most likely to push back as quickly as possible -- they want to still be around to rule
Posted by: brak at January 24, 2023 11:44 AM (j5Tg0)
Posted by: Diogene
*******
Elongated Laotian Quokkas.
Those dudes are so danged cute!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:44 AM (ykeLU)
I've no idea what ELQs are. Maybe they can control population?
I think I'll go back to bed.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (anj39)
Noah way!!
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 24, 2023 11:44 AM (OgrpQ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)
Usury does not equal debt. Interest is conceptually distinct from "debt". Perhaps a subset. Idk. But interest is not required in " debt".
Debt is good. Interest is "evil".
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:44 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Archimedes at
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I find this is a common concern amongst people who spend most of their time in densely populated areas. It becomes sub consciously ingrained and a source of genuine anxiety. Drive across Kansas or Nebraska or Texas and get back to us.
Posted by: Examine your biases
One can drive through western Canada, or Siberia, or Southern Argentina and see it better. Thousands of square miles of uninhabited forests and plains. There are massive amounts of unused land on the planet.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 24, 2023 11:45 AM (lTGtQ)
My parents agreed with me. They were both from rural MN.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (eOEVl)
Then she saw the answer; she saw the secret premise behind their words. With all of their noisy devotion to the age of science, their hysterically technological jargon, their cyclotrons, their sound rays, these men were moved forward, not by the image of an industrial skyline, but by the vision of that form of existence which the industrialists had swept away—the vision of a fat, unhygienic rajah of India, with vacant eyes staring in indolent stupor out of stagnant layers of flesh, with nothing to do but run precious gems through his fingers and, once in a while, stick a knife into the body of a starved, toil-dazed, germ-eaten creature, as a claim to a few grains of the creature's rice, then claim it from hundreds of millions of such creatures and thus let the rice grains gather into gems.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (yQpMk)
One can drive through western Canada, or Siberia, or Southern Argentina and see it better. Thousands of square miles of uninhabited forests and plains. There are massive amounts of unused land on the planet.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 24, 2023 11:45 AM (lTGtQ)
Being as it is known that all 7.5 bn on the planet now could live in Texas........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
There is a story IIRC out of Imperial China of this Emperor commissioning to be made out of a large block of pale jade a dragon to be carved. And to this day this jade dragon is a beautiful sight to behold.
But no one remembers who carved it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (WtAQS)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:34 AM (1ais2)
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I keep pimp hand strong.
Posted by: A Korean Lady at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (krQz2)
How much did you make me today?
Why are you so lazy?
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (1ais2)
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Here's the deal. Its not gonna be popular so we don't often say this out loud. You know after WWII there was a baby boom? yeah. We're gonna do that again.
Posted by: Your Problem Solvers Top. Men. at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (smoOs)
My parents agreed with me. They were both from rural MN.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (eOEVl)
It's called humoring you.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
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This is silly.
Some years ago I walked around my neighborhood, in suburban Cook County, so while I'm on a half acre, there are plenty of multistory houses on a full or two in the area. And schools and hospitals, and most of what one might regularly need. And a golf course, which is a massive waste of space for this consideration.
Anyway, I did some calculations when I got home, and found that the entire (6B at the time) population of the planet could fit in the continental US (in single family homes, no apartments, condos required) with all the rest of the space for farming and whatever.
We are nowhere near overpopulated.
Posted by: Methos at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (kOpft)
or
Some sort of weirdo dating system?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:44 AM (1ais2)
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You don't get debt without it. Nobody risks his capital without a reward. Even in the Muslim world where interest is illegal, they still charge it, albeit under a different structure (usually profit-sharing with the lender, rather than interest on the money itself).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (t0OGg)
Mark Hamill likes a tweet of J.K. Rowling and the internet loses their minds as usual. Claiming he has done this once before so this isn’t an accident and he obviously supports transphobia.
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He's trying to make amends by twatting about the
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (Vwz3I)
Be fruitful and multiply - the Lord will take care of the rest.
Posted by: Nova Local at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:09 AM (LvTSG)
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Marxism is "The Opium of the Intellectuals."
[h/t Raymond Aron, who first published it in France in 1955, with a later English translation published in 1957.]
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (BDDnd)
WEF's plan of neo-feudalism will fail if the peasants get too uppity. One way to prevent that is by severely limiting the number of peasants. Hence all the talk of eliminating 7.5 billion people swirling around the WEF.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (ZGrMX)
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Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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A large population supports a concept of the individual with less central authority. A small population lends itself to less production and a stronger central authority.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (ziH0B)
“The second amendment is a suicide pact,” @GavinNewsom tells us tonight on the @CBSEveningNews.
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Also the first! Don't forget about the first!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (UXj1H)
See early Pilgrim birthrates pre and post the Mather Bros embrace of usury.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:41 AM (1ais2)
The population collapse of the pagan Romans doesn't seem terribly related. The connection to sexual sin and collapse of marriage seems more transparent there.
The origin of a mortgage structure is to not technically be a debt with interest. Which goes to the issue that under a strict definition of "charging interest" the difference between usury and non-usury is merely a technicality. The payments and ownership interests can be exactly the same with one being usury and the other not, technically speaking.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
I do have a question are monsters, by definition, evil or can there be non-evil monsters?
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eGTCV)
But first they fire all of their guns at once
Posted by: John Kay at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (t4BDZ)
Debt is good. Interest is "evil".
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:44 AM (1ais2)
So is it ok if we call it rent?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
Just out of curiosity, could you point me to one of the posts calling for that?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (Y+l9t)
The only hive mind is theirs and even *they* tend to disagree on shit, they're just not allowed to talk about it.
The difference between my worldview and that of some/many here is astonishing.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (hM/TR)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, Available 4/14 at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (1Yy3c)
California Democrats Introduce Wealth Tax Bill That Would Also Impact People Who Move Out of State
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (V6f9+)
Iran.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, Available 4/14 at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (1Yy3c)
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Robert Johnson is right about Ayn Rand Johnson being right!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (LvTSG)
Just out of curiosity, could you point me to one of the posts calling for that?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eOEVl)
Lots of posts about 3 billion people being ideal seems to hit that nail on the head...when we are at about 8B now...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (exHjb)
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Our illegals aren't Mexican's anymore. Pretty much all the Mexicans who are coming are already here. It's Central and South Americans now.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:30 AM (yQpMk)
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I am always reminded of Obama's 57 states when this is discussed. Then there is the Jesus was a Refugee commercials I've been seeing on NFL games.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (C7jzY)
California Democrats Introduce Wealth Tax Bill That Would Also Impact People Who Move Out of State
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)
So much for "See the USA in your Chevrolet."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eGTCV)
Cookie. Telly. Mike Wazowski. Just to name a few.
Posted by: Doof at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (ChAEn)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)
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Exit taxes are legally tricky and the destinations those people are moving to might feel fit to challenge the idea.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)
California Democrats Introduce Wealth Tax Bill That Would Also Impact People Who Move Out of State
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)
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Do it.
I cheer on ALL of these proposals now (except those popping up in SC).
Punish the people for allowing Democrats to come to power. They deserve it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (LvTSG)
All those bits of chitin are going to be murder on the O-ring.
Posted by: Got diverticulitis? You will soon! at January 24, 2023 11:51 AM (s2na+)
Then again I guess you could argue most comments on the internet are mental masturbation. Some are just more masturbatory than others.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:51 AM (hM/TR)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 24, 2023 11:51 AM (lz5hY)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:51 AM (t0OGg)
Use AI to replace humans in the economy. Create a huge unemployment problem as a result. Introduce universal basic income so people can survive eating teh bugs in perpetual unemployment. After the segment of the population that is "surplus" forgets how to support themselves. make sterilization a prerequisite for universal basic income, and just let humanity die off. No fuss no muss. No kicking women in the womb. Cricket laced high protein bread, video games, your favorite recreational drug, and time. And in 80 years 3/4 of the world is dead.
Posted by: mikethemoose at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (8Hsmj)
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Give me 40 acres and I'll turn this core around
It's the easiest way I've found...
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (ykeLU)
Well, AFAIK, I'm the only one who has mentioned 3B people, and I know very well that I've called for nothing in the way of pop control. That's what you said, control. In fact, I've reiterated multiple times that a pop death spiral is a much more realistic worry.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (gmo/4)
Until then the only way to control people is soul and bone crushing brutal dictatorships.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (BRHaw)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:47 AM (t0OGg)
This is the common position. You would get less debt overall perhaps. And perhaps less economic activity. I doubt it.
But certainly economic activity would look very different.
I do not think the economic activity of today is worthwhile.
An interesting thought experiment is to ask what economic activity looks like under decreasing amounts of loan servicing.
Or, to ask the same thing, what kind of economic activity does a usurer prefer?
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (1ais2)
Could be. I'm not sure I understood the overview.
Or it could be quokkas.
Either way I'm not writing a paper on it.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (anj39)
But first they fire all of their guns at once
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Never argue with John Kay or Joni Mitchell
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (C7jzY)
Incoherent Sen. Warren: GOP Creating Economic Chaos to Get Trump Reelected
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (hM/TR)
'forced sterilization for those layabouts who take assistance from the government'
Then Sanjay Gandhi is a genius and humanitarian. He should have got Mother Theresa's Nobel Peace Prize and his visage should be on everyone's money.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (yvHe0)
Incoherent Sen. Warren: GOP Creating Economic Chaos to Get Trump Reelected
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
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How?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (2NHgQ)
Incoherent Sen. Warren: GOP Creating Economic Chaos to Get Trump Reelected
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
Let's press the button marked "Idiot" and see what comes out.
- - Monty Python's Flying Circus
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)
"She is already used to her hip being "off" of the pelvis, and her muscles are used to this defective position. Now that she has a new hip that is in the correct position, her muscles need time to learn their new normal.
So now the plan is to do a revision surgery, probably in about a week. An appliance with a larger ball will be installed and the "stem" will be lengthened so that her muscles can be stretched into the new position. The surgeons are already working on a plan, and we are in complete agreement with their proposal."
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (4IUUf)
I think Entangled Logical Cubits is when your shelves have fallen on you and you can't get up ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (BDDnd)
Well, AFAIK, I'm the only one who has mentioned 3B people, and I know very well that I've called for nothing in the way of pop control. That's what you said, control. In fact, I've reiterated multiple times that a pop death spiral is a much more realistic worry.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (eOEVl)
No, not overtly...but obviously, the only way you get to your plan is population control and overt removal, at least during your own personal life span...
5B people can't just disappear...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (exHjb)
“The second amendment is a suicide pact,” @GavinNewsom tells us tonight on the @CBSEveningNews.
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@Breaking911 · 13h
California Governor Newsom, surrounded by armed security: “The Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact.”
https://twitter.com/AHaganah/status/
1617729895148445696
https://tinyurl.com/497fp8hk
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (Vwz3I)
Chinese = Borg collective. They see the big picture of Borg rule and triumph. They play the long game. Even being patient for hundreds of years to accomplish a goal.
Westerners celebrate the individual. Well, at least we used to.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (HjfbW)
But first they fire all of their guns at once
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Never argue with John Kay or Joni Mitchell
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (C7jzY)
They were both born to be wild
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (V6f9+)
How?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (LvTSG)
*raises hand in return*
How.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)
I'd link it here but posts don't allow text strings.
Posted by: Alexander Scipio at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (NX5U7)
But certainly economic activity would look very different.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (1ais2)
No, we can replicate it all without technical interest. That this was so commonplace, including among Muslims who still adhere to that old understanding, is why we no longer operate with the pretense.
We can totally make this change without excessive cost or fuss. I just don't think it's likely to have a real impact since it's mostly futzing with language in contracts.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (1ais2)
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You'll get your wish, over the next 30 years. A mega-generation - the Boomers - are in net capital withdrawal now (retirement). The next mega-generation - the Millennials - are mostly not in their peak productive period yet, and the oldest of them got skull-fucked by the financial crisis and are behind the curve (historically) on earnings and production.
Capital is about to get damned expensive, and "use debt for everything" is going to shift.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
The new D&D movie is called Honor Among Thieves.
That is rich comping from WOTC who wants to steal everyone else's IPs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (WtAQS)
My guess is insects carry 100s of parasites and bacteria we know very little about.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (BRHaw)
Or, to ask the same thing, what kind of economic activity does a usurer prefer?
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:52 AM (1ais2)
The kind that pays the vigorish.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
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A remarkable feat with less than a month in control of the House and THREE DAYS WASTED (!!) on voting for Speaker.
Posted by: Axeman at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
Not if it is currency you are renting.
A tool? Yes. A horse? Yes A house? Yes.
Rent is a distinct category from interest.
Why elide them? What is the purpose? That is an important question.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:46 AM
I remember the late P.J. O'Rourke in the 90s noting that at the population density of Manhattan, all of the world's population could fit into Yugoslavia, with the note that if they adopted the manners and mores of Manhattanites, Yugoslavia was all they deserved.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (Wnv9h)
Incoherent Sen. Warren: GOP Creating Economic Chaos to Get Trump Reelected
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
Crazy white woman speak with forked tongue again. She should know by now democrats create economic chaos just by sitting in DC.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (anj39)
5B people can't just disappear...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (exHjb)
"Challenge Accepted"
- - Pfizer & Moderna
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)
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Wow. This is stupid on so many levels I don't know how to handle this radioactive turd.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (C7jzY)
This is the same power structure that is currently running China, so any protestations from the apologists of communist/socialist brutality and inhumanity that this was a long time ago ring hollow.
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But, by the same token - every power structure in Chinese history has used routine mass murder and widespread political repression as a basic governing tool. None of this is particularly exceptional for that country. Just another regime.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (oINRc)
Which can only be bad news for humanity.
Posted by: t-bird
Bad news for Gaia, Humanity, Animals, etc.
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (4KlMk)
Posted by: BignJames
Speaking of which, I saw a new cat out back -- large, gray/silver tabby. This morning, I saw Creamsickle, the very big orange and white fellow, defending his territory (my backyard) and telling this new guy to move along. Then he showed the new guy how. Meanwhile, Prettygirl was watching this from her overlook perch at the back window.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
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A remarkable feat with less than a month in control of the House and THREE DAYS WASTED (!!) on voting for Speaker.
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"We had the best economy ever until Kevin McCarthy became speaker and refused a committee assignment to Eric Swalwell. That undermined everything in the economy."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (LvTSG)
And Trump's holding a rally with Miss Lindsey. Fan-tastic.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (ZGrMX)
5B people can't just disappear...
Did you read the post? It's about the impending pop catastrophe. It WILL happen. No action need be taken.
I never said I expected to see 3B in my lifetime, just that that's my preference.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Alexander Scipio at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (NX5U7)
try tinyurl.com
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (BRHaw)
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Except that every suggestion they've made for UBI wouldn't come close to covering even that. Because the super-wealthy are also cheap bastards.
Posted by: Methos at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (kOpft)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (uKKkn)
I remember the late P.J. O'Rourke in the 90s noting that at the population density of Manhattan, all of the world's population could fit into Yugoslavia, with the note that if they adopted the manners and mores of Manhattanites, Yugoslavia was all they deserved.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (Wnv9h)
Well, he's not wrong.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Got diverticulitis? You will soon!
Diverticulitis is very very painful.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (Y+l9t)
“The second amendment is a suicide pact,” @GavinNewsom tells us tonight on the @CBSEveningNews.
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@Breaking911 · 13h
California Governor Newsom, surrounded by armed security: “The Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact.”
https://twitter.com/AHaganah/status/
1617729895148445696
https://tinyurl.com/497fp8hk
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (Vwz3I)
Ok, then. Repeal it. Go right ahead.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (IgJz6)
Crazy white woman speak with forked tongue again. She should know by now democrats create economic chaos just by sitting in DC.
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Lets sugges that we resolve our differences with hammerfights in underwear.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (C7jzY)
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It's a shame no one ever argued, not just against abortion, but warning about the abortion slippery slope.
Why didn't any of us see this coming?
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (hM/TR)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
Not if it is currency you are renting.
A tool? Yes. A horse? Yes A house? Yes.
Rent is a distinct category from interest.
Why elide them? What is the purpose? That is an important question.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (1ais2)
Ok, so we just go back to using the original mortgage structures and use capital leases instead.
For all practical intents and purposes, nothing changes about these contractual relations.
Why would this be expected to have an impact? We're just playing with words.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM
No. No, he's not.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (Wnv9h)
This should clear it up.
Entangled Logical Qubits (ELQ) is a four-year foundational research program directed at generating high-fidelity entanglement between two error-corrected LQs in a fully FT manner, and utilizing it to achieve logical state teleportation with high success. These accomplishments will lay the cornerstone for realizing the full potential of QC and make a profound advance on the path to UFTQC. The program is divided into four phases.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (anj39)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
++++
Man. I had no idea that a razor-thin majority in one house of Congress was so powerful.
So, guys? Get to it. You have the power. Use it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2023 11:55 AM (yQpMk)
True. So true.
I spend a lot of time pondering which types of economic activity best pays vigorish.
Interesting question if one goes beyomd the tautological "the good ones".
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (1ais2)
Posted by: Shirley Smith at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (G9aOk)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
Not if it is currency you are renting.
A tool? Yes. A horse? Yes A house? Yes.
Hookers?
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (4KlMk)
I never said I expected to see 3B in my lifetime, just that that's my preference.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 11:56 AM (eOEVl)
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"I think humanity is overextended against its ability to maintain itself for an assortment of reasons and that at some point in the future, humanity will revert to a population of about 3 billion people through natural means."
-Another way of saying what you seem to be trying to say
Also, stop calling "3 billion people" a preference because it makes it sound like you want to actively help it along.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (9UlRk)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (V6f9+)
Iran.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)
A new challenger enters the ring
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 11:38 AM
But first...
Posted by: Surprise Otters at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: PaleRider at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (3cGpq)
Looting its neighbors and bringing the women home for wives is a possibility, but the problem is timing. China is in for a very, very rough 30-50 years of population decline, even if they start baby-making at a high rate right now. It takes 20 years before those new people start being productive.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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That's what Musk said.
- You want to know the future in 20 years? Look at the birth rate today.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (ziH0B)
Was just watching a video on that. Everybody in Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana if it were a big, modern, spacious city-state like Singapore. If you went nuts and stuffed us all into a slum like Kowloon, Hong Kong, the entire world could live in Palestine (utilizing the Mediterranean as an open sewer, I'd imagine)
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (CaJIi)
Posted by: Nova Local at January 24, 2023 11:54 AM (exHjb)
I'm your Huckleberry.
- Nuclear Holocaust
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (WtAQS)
Posted by: Rapey Dolphins at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Sarah at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (V6f9+)
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I'm not a biologist but I think it's (man + woman) whoopie = baby.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (FVME7)
A tool? Yes. A horse? Yes A house? Yes.
Hookers?
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (4KlMk)
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Yes
Posted by: Hunter B. at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (krQz2)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (V6f9+)
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Surely, Sarah isn't very serious.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eGTCV)
The root o0f "monster" means something like Divine Omen or Warning.
So, usually something bad or unnatural but, I suppose, not necessarily.
F'rinstance, Godzilla is one destructive mofo, but he's not necessarily evil. He's just do what giant, fire-breathing lizards do.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (KLPy8)
California Democrats Introduce Wealth Tax Bill That Would Also Impact People Who Move Out of State
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM
I thought New York already tried that and the courts shot it down. They called it an exit tax or something like that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (uNylN)
Incoherent Sen. Warren: GOP Creating Economic Chaos to Get Trump Reelected
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (FVME7)
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How?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:53 AM (LvTSG)
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ISWYDT
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (BDDnd)
They also think they can control the weather.
Watch the video of Al Gore at the WEF.
He is a dangerous lunatic.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (jTmQV)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 24, 2023 11:58 AM (9UlRk)
Do they throw their homos off buildings or hang them from cranes too?
Posted by: Iran at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (ykeLU)
He stopped mentioning it to anyone after that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (trdmm)
==
You know whose company you are in right?
Posted by: Decrease the surplus population of the earth!!! at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (/k6az)
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (ykeLU)
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What if the quotes are underlined instead of italicized?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (LvTSG)
-Another way of saying what you seem to be trying to say
You said that, I didn't. I speak English tolerably well. If that's what I intended, I would have said it. No trying needed.
Also, stop calling "3 billion people" a preference because it makes it sound like you want to actively help it along.
You may have inferred it. I did NOT imply it.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (eOEVl)
“The second amendment is a suicide pact,” @GavinNewsom tells us tonight on the @CBSEveningNews.
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@Breaking911 · 13h
California Governor Newsom, surrounded by armed security: “The Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact.”
https://twitter.com/AHaganah/status/
1617729895148445696
https://tinyurl.com/497fp8hk
Posted by: andycanuck
Why didn't we have all this crime and shootings in the 1950's right wing patriarchal society???
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (4KlMk)
A tool? Yes. A horse? Yes A house? Yes.
Beer?
- Guy at Frat party
Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (9UlRk)
He stopped mentioning it to anyone after that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (trdmm)
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It's the obvious retort, so it's obvious why no leftist ever says it in mixed company.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 12:02 PM (LvTSG)
California Governor Newsom, surrounded by armed security: “The Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact.”
The election of Democrats seems kind of suicidal to me.
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 24, 2023 12:02 PM (eGTCV)
^all these transactions can be converted to equity and rent instead of debt and interest if needed. Functionally the ownership interests and payments are the same
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:02 PM (eYoxG)
If by "natural" means, you mean the clot shot....
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 24, 2023 12:02 PM (4KlMk)
You may have inferred it. I did NOT imply it.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (eOEVl)
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EVERYONE is inferring it based on what you say. Maybe...just maybe...you're communicating your ideas poorly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 12:02 PM (LvTSG)
He stopped mentioning it to anyone after that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (trdmm)
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Oh... no he didn't, Tom. He just stopped mentioning to anyone outside of his death cult.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (oINRc)
They also think they can control the weather.
Watch the video of Al Gore at the WEF.
He is a dangerous lunatic.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (jTmQV)
Concur. It's all bullshit with the goal of controlling people.
And fuck Al Gore.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (yEMHD)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (V6f9+)
Iran.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)
A new challenger enters the ring
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
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Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, with Turkey pulling up the rear.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (ziH0B)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (trdmm)
And I think I am done with this thread. Nyah.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (WtAQS)
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 24, 2023 11:48 AM (eGTCV)
Cookie. Telly. Mike Wazowski. Just to name a few.
Posted by: Doof at January 24, 2023 11:50 AM (ChAEn)
Jah, it depends on how you define 'monster'. If you mean big, hairy, scary looking....then a 'monster' can be good. If you mean a monster that is defined by inflicting harm, then it's much harder to make that kind of monster good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Skip at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (Gf252)
He stopped mentioning it to anyone after that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:01 PM (trdmm)
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You pretty much have to shame them to get them out of their cycle of self-flattery.
Posted by: Hunter B. at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (lz5hY)
California Governor Newsom, surrounded by armed security: “The Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact.”
Keep it up bub. You may be facing suicide by mob.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (anj39)
So, usually something bad or unnatural but, I suppose, not necessarily.
F'rinstance, Godzilla is one destructive mofo, but he's not necessarily evil. He's just do what giant, fire-breathing lizards do.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2023 12:00 PM (KLPy
I don't think Frankenstein's monster was necessarily evil. Frankenstein was evil.
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM (trdmm)
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"America had the true hero in its midst to take care of this problem, but he could never attain power. Truly, America should have made Paul Ryan their king."
-Future historians
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (LvTSG)
Or...perhaps there are a lot of people with preconceived notions.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 12:04 PM (FVME7)
Look at gargoyles
Posted by: Skip at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (Gf252)
Posted by: Have you checked your credit card interest rate? at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (w9Wax)
___
There are more of these commercials. They are couched to show Jesus as being on your side, if you crossed the border illegally, or committed a crime that merits the death penalty. Pretty sure border crossers and killers need Jesus, as do those who want border enforcement and killers to pay the ultimate price. But it seems clear to me these commercials definitely have a bias of challenging the latter on their points of view rather than calling on the former to follow Jesus.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (fs1hN)
Imagine a boot, made in a Chinese sweatshop, stamping a human face, forever.
Posted by: O'Blien at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (s2na+)
Time to abort communism and hang the communists in the town square then start having babies.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (vnbvx)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (2NHgQ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
I disagree obv. The distinction is not technical. I doubt there was a massive conceptual error that has been recently resolved. But maybe.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (1ais2)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:06 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (LvTSG)
Airplane is still a fun movie to watch.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 12:06 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: RUReadingthis at January 24, 2023 12:06 PM (aQ25I)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 11:59 AM (LvTSG)
Airplane is still a fun movie to watch.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 12:06 PM (V6f9+)
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It's no Top Secret.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 24, 2023 12:06 PM (LvTSG)
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So do we (USA). In the past, we could count on the mores of Christianity and Western Civilization to guide us in those decisions.
Now what?
Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at January 24, 2023 12:07 PM (sX1BW)
I have no idea if that's true or not. But I'm going to pretend it is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 24, 2023 12:07 PM (9UlRk)
Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 24, 2023 12:07 PM (4KlMk)
Look at gargoyles
Posted by: Skip at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (Gf252)
Don't remind me of Fetterman.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 24, 2023 12:07 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
I disagree obv. The distinction is not technical. I doubt there was a massive conceptual error that has been recently resolved. But maybe.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 12:05 PM (1ais2)
In real practical terms all debt and interest can be rendered as equity and rents. Muslims already do this because they hold your view. As far as we in the West are concerned there is no difference. Capital leases are how corporations do this.
This was a driving force in why the concept of usury was re-evaluated. There's a few different schools of thought on the "true" meaning of usury currently.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (bxySM)
==
and that's when I come back and knock of the remainders
*ha ha ha ha Ha HA HA*
Posted by: Pestilence - on his horse at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (Lvvn7)
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We'll take the blacks and the Chinese but not the vigors.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (Vwz3I)
I have no idea if that's true or not. But I'm going to pretend it is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 24, 2023 12:07 PM (9UlRk)
Mmm...chapter 5, 3rd paragraph...and repeatedly afterward
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 24, 2023 12:03 PM
Nothing in the song says anything about scary.
Posted by: Winona at January 24, 2023 12:09 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 24, 2023 12:09 PM (lz5hY)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
********
*shrug*
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2023 12:09 PM (ykeLU)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:09 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2023 12:10 PM (hM/TR)
North Koreans will be executed for watching porn
-
Well, that's one way to reduce population.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 24, 2023 12:10 PM (FVME7)
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Manhattan learned long ago that Guilt People are the easiest to shame. If you want to make it in Manhattan you need to become a shameless person. See Hillary for the details.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 24, 2023 12:11 PM (C7jzY)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (eYoxG)
Well, yes. I know something about the subject.
I doubt the Venetians or Florentines or the Fuggers were suffering under a delusion that "interest was real".
Or that Int'l Financial Corporstions do either.
But maybe?
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 12:13 PM (1ais2)
North Koreans will be executed for watching porn
-
Well, that's one way to reduce population.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
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The message is, do it don't watch it.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 24, 2023 12:14 PM (ziH0B)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:08 PM (eYoxG)
Well, yes. I know something about the subject.
I doubt the Venetians or Florentines or the Fuggers were suffering under a delusion that "interest was real".
Or that Int'l Financial Corporstions do either.
But maybe?
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 12:13 PM (1ais2)
International Financial Corporations literally believe equity and debt are transparent to one another. It's a bedrock financial theory. It doesn't really matter to them whether it's called interest or rents(both are taxed as ordinary income at any rate). They operate in Islamic territories too, so it's not that big a deal if paperwork needs to align with those requirements. Operationally things remain the same.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:16 PM (eYoxG)
Rents + layaway on the home + payments for an option on the home's value
changes things so that the bank technically owns your home, you still get the appreciation as now, and you're making the same payments. Technically you're paying rent now instead of interest but nothing has changed.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:18 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023 12:19 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2023
I do not deny any of this. The relationship btwn the parties is not changed. The issue is the relationship. Interest after all signifying a relationship between the parties.
There is a transfer of something. There is a return of something (is it the same something) there is also an additional return.
The traditional opinion (until very very recently) has been when "money" is that something any return to the lender beyond the "amount" lent is unwarranted and has dysgenic effects.
Perhaps this was a world wide delusion.
Perhaps Financial Institutions don't lend "money" to ppl at interest anymore?
Perhaps they never really did and only thought they were?
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 24, 2023 12:28 PM (1ais2)
Posted by: JT at January 24, 2023 12:29 PM (T4tVD)
Another transition: fossil fuel energy (motors, engines, gears and hydraulics) replaced human and animal energy -- which was universally accepted by all societies as...slavery.
Posted by: Dan at January 24, 2023 12:31 PM (+NG5U)
Posted by: Someguy's at January 24, 2023 12:39 PM (30MF8)
Posted by: Someguy's at January 24, 2023 12:44 PM (30MF8)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2023 11:37 AM (Y+l9t)
The sort of people who meet to control everyone get their rocks off and people they don't control dying. Note that they never volunteer themselves for this duty, just whoever they feel are 'disposable'.
Christianity and the doctrine of equally valued souls has been a great benefit to the world over the last 2000 years but the impression is waning now. You used to at least embarrass someone if millions of innocents might die, now it is the purpose of a policy.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 24, 2023 02:40 PM (eoQWY)
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