THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Update on the Electric Vehicle Follies (01/16/2023)

It’s been a little while since we’ve checked in on the ongoing electric vehicle follies, so let’s see what’s going on.

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First off, a volunteer firefighter who reads Ace of Spades (“Danimal28” recently wrote me about training he just took on how to deal with the growing frequency of EV fires, which require extraordinary amounts of water to douse, and which burn much hotter than gas-powered cars.

Hey Buck,
As a volunteer firefighter I just took a class on how to handle EVs on fire.
1) Let it burn. It will take 10K gallons of water and four hours to mitigate.
2) Buy a $35K device to slide under vehicle which punctures battery cells and inserts water to mitigate fire under less than a half hour.
Key highlights:
1) If the batteries' relatively fragile cell barriers become damaged during an accident the fire will commence.
2) White smoke will emanate from the bottom of the vehicle which means you need to vacate the area immediately.
3) Once fire happens it can burn up to 6,000 degrees and flames can shoot out up to 20 feet per side of the vehicle.
Now imagine me approaching a vehicle with white smoke emanating from below to insert the puncture device, pondering when flames might shoot out a heat that will burn through my turnout gear... Ain't gonna happen, brother.

Yikes. Stay Safe Danimal.

As for me, I am going to continue to practice social distancing from EVs.

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We’ve spent plenty of time here talking about the executives at Ford and General Motors, who are willing to destroy their companies in a race to go all-electric, despite a lack of commensurate EV demand from their customer bases.

Are all auto companies run by hapless idealogues like those at GM and Ford? No.

Toyota Chief Says ‘Silent Majority’ Has Doubts About Pursuing Only EVs [WSJ – 12/18/2022]

President Akio Toyoda said he is among the auto industry’s silent majority in questioning whether electric vehicles should be pursued exclusively, comments that reflect a growing uneasiness about how quickly car companies can transition.

Let me translate the second half of that sentence from agenda-driven, left-wing journalism to reality. Mr. Toyoda doesn’t have “uneasiness about how quickly car companies can transition” to all-electric. He almost certainly knows that it will not happen, and that it cannot happen.

“Because the right answer is still unclear, we shouldn’t limit ourselves to just one option,” Mr. Toyoda said. Over the past few years, Mr. Toyoda said, he has tried to convey this point to industry stakeholders, including government officials—an effort he described as tiring at times.

Stating that unicorns don’t exist shouldn’t be considered brave, but in a crazy world where denying the inevitability of a unicorn-based economy can be career-ending, Mr. Toyoda is very brave. Sadly, too many of the silent majority of EV skeptics at auto companies remain willing to steer their companies into the ditch out of career self-preservation, rather than boldly defend their core product and customers against the green authoritarians.

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Speaking of car companies driving themselves into a ditch in pursuit of the glorious all-EV future…

Volkswagen’s US sales collapsed in 2022 after it announced that it aspires primarily to be an EV company by 2030, even here in the states.

Overall VW sales in the US fell by approximately 75,000 units in 2022 compared to 2021, while its EV sales increased by a whopping 3,769 units year over year.

Volkswagen of America 2022 Sales Numbers Released: 22.5% More EVs but 19.7% Overall Drop [AutoEvolution – 01/06/2023]

[VW of America] reported 2022 sales of 301,069 vehicles for the twelve-month period. The figure is a massive 19.7% decrease from 2021.
The all-electric ID.4 numbers increased 22.5% from 16,742 vehicles in 2021 to 20,511 in 2022 and represented 6.8% of total sales.

I love this next line about VW’s sales implosion reflecting that it is in a “transitory” phase as it works to go all-electric.

The dismal results for 2022 fully explain why the company was reluctant to provide a forecast for U.S. sales earlier in the year. However, they also may be transitory as the automaker forges on into the all-electric age.

Yes, you can call it “transitory” if an auto company is transitioning from a high-volume producer of vehicles people want to purchase, into a boutique producer of niche cars. You can also call it corporate suicide.

Perhaps the funniest part of VW’s sales collapse is how it’s reported by EV fanboys.

Volkswagen ID.4 Was 14% Of Volkswagen USA Sales In 4th Quarter [CleanTechnica – 01/13/2023]

What this update actually reinforces is the point that Volkswagen electric vehicle (ID.4) sales are increasing in share quickly. They go from 6.8% across the full year to 14% in the 4th quarter to 18% in December, indicating a clear trend toward more and more electrification.

Yes, Volkswagen’s EV sales are increasing in percentage share quickly, because the denominator in this equation is VW’s total vehicle sales, which are in free fall.

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So how is Georgia Governor Brian Kemp’s EV boondoggle coming along? Let’s check on Rivian.

Uh oh.

Mercedes and Rivian announced a partnership in September 2022, and it lasted all of three months.

Mercedes-Benz Vans and Rivian move to partner on electric van production [Rivian press release - 9/08/2022]

Rivian and Mercedes Put Electric Van Joint Venture on Hold [Car and Driver – 12/12/2022]

The EV startup and German automaker will no longer work together on a joint venture to build electric vans, pausing the project just three months after it was first announced.

It’s funny how these partnerships between established auto manufacturers and EV start-ups keep breaking up. It’s really funny when it happens this quickly. Good job, auto executives! Great due diligence.

Meanwhile, corporate headquarters at Rivian doesn’t sound like a fun place to work…

Several top Rivian executives depart the electric vehicle startup [Fox Business – 01/10/2023]

Several top executives at Rivian Automotive Inc., including the vice president overseeing body engineering and its head of supply chain, have left the EV startup in recent months, as the company exits a year in which it fell short of its production targets.

That doesn’t sound good. But how are its investors doing?

Rivian’s stock has also tumbled since its blockbuster initial public offering in November 2021, down roughly 79% through Tuesday’s close.

Oh well. An eco-fool and his money are soon parted.

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Speaking of the eco-foolish, they really don’t understand what goes into making their “green” cars do they?

Almost 400 new mines needed to meet future EV battery demand, data finds

OK, so we’ll need several hundred more mines to produce all the lithium, cobalt, graphite, and nickel needed to fuel the “green” EVs (which are generally powered by coal and gas-fired electricity)…

…just so long as the mines are far, far away - preferably in Asia or Africa. That’s the green thing to do. Strip mining America for those rare earth elements would be racist and environmentally unfriendly.

The fate of America's largest lithium mine is in a federal judge's hands [NPR – 01.06.2023]

The fate of the largest planned lithium mine in the United States is now in the hands of a federal judge who hopes to issue a ruling in a long-running legal battle in the next two months.
The proposed mine on Thacker Pass, a remote slice of federal land near Nevada's border with Oregon, is seen as key toward boosting domestic electric vehicle production. But a group of West Coast Native American tribes considers the land sacred and are suing to stop it.

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Did you ever wonder what would happen when the first big wave of electric vehicles hits the used car market? Apparently EVs are like wedding rings. They cost a lot upfront, but aren’t worth much when the relationship ends.

Used electric car prices: why are second-hand EV values falling for Tesla, Audi and Jaguar? [National World – 01/10/2023]

The price of used Teslas has fallen significantly in recent months as buyers shy away from second-hand electric cars.
Experts say [Tesla’s] over-saturation of the market could be to blame as three of its models were among the five EVs with the worst depreciation over the last 12 months.
Chris Plumb, valuations expert at Cap HPI said that while new electric car sales continued to grow and overall used prices [on gas-powered vehicles] remained solid, used EV prices were contracting, with premium models suffering the biggest drops in value.

Also contributing to the collapse in used EV prices is the fact that Tesla is having to slash the prices of its new cars to get them sold.

Tesla drastically lowers EV pricing in the US and Europe [01/13/2023]

The Model Y Long Range sees a huge $20,500 drop including the Federal Tax Credit.

Buying a used EV is a scary idea in the first place, because the entire car only has about a 10-year useful life. After that it might as well be a (toxic) boat anchor due to the prohibitive cost of replacing the battery.

If you own a Tesla and hoped to sell or trade it in soon, this is really bad news. I feel bad for auto dealers who have recently taken Teslas in trade, as their value is in absolute free fall.

Car Dealership Tesla Guy - Tesla Hot Potato.JPG

Car Dealership Tesla Guy - Discounted 16,095.JPG

Tesla’s stock price is crashing too, down 68% from its 52-week high. Taking a bath on every off-lease unit running through auction won’t help.

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Enough about EVs. Let’s conclude today’s visit by riding along in a gas-powered, carbureted Hot Rod Lincoln.

Have a great week.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 Good morning everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:00 AM (qoGsy)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 16, 2023 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

3 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at January 16, 2023 11:01 AM (8DAvv)

4 Metal fires are fun.

Sand is your friend.

Water is not.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:02 AM (zZu0s)

5 Yo

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 16, 2023 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)

6 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 16, 2023 11:04 AM (T4tVD)

7 Almost 400 new mines needed to meet future EV battery demand, data finds

I has the sadz.

Posted by: kallisto, channeling Mother Gaia at January 16, 2023 11:04 AM (Vwer9)

8 Locking your state/nation's future to going all-EV is a prescription for economic disaster and 3rd world status.

I expect lots of crow .. especially from California

Posted by: SMOD at January 16, 2023 11:04 AM (RHGPo)

9 7 Almost 400 new mines needed to meet future EV battery demand, data finds

I has the sadz.
Posted by: kallisto, channeling Mother Gaia at January 16, 2023 11:04 AM (Vwer9)

Assuming current population members, yes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:05 AM (zZu0s)

10 Georgia Governor Brian Kemp is an idiot.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 16, 2023 11:05 AM (fs1hN)

11 Drive these fucking things at your own peril.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2023 11:05 AM (y/a4v)

12 3) Once fire happens it can burn up to 6,000 degrees and flames can shoot out up to 20 feet per side of the vehicle.
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It's gonna be great when on of these fires happens when the vehicle is traveling through a national forest...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

13 President Akio Toyoda said he is among the auto industry’s silent majority in questioning whether electric vehicles should be pursued exclusively, comments that reflect a growing uneasiness about how quickly car companies can transition.

How quickly car companies can transition is immaterial. The question is how quickly can electrical grids by massively increased? The answer: not NEARLY soon enough.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:06 AM (eOEVl)

14 Almost 400 new mines needed to meet future EV battery demand, data finds

I has the sadz.
Posted by: kallisto, channeling Mother Gaia

But when my birdbath freezes, do you care ?
NoooOOOOOOOOO !

Posted by: JT at January 16, 2023 11:06 AM (T4tVD)

15 Teslas have a premium price, but they don't have premium interiors and don't "feel" like anything special.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:06 AM (UuD2k)

16 Are EVs automatics or sticks?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (S4CEj)

17 Puncturing EV battery compartments is a very, very risky idea. The best solution at the moment is let them burn.

In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (ZLI7S)

18 Toyota Chief Says ‘Silent Majority’ Has Doubts About Pursuing Only EVs
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Thankfully, they don't matter.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)

19 Electric cars are for fags.

Posted by: Ministry of V8 Interceptors and Gazzoline at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (HQ79i)

20 Teslas have a premium price, but they don't have premium interiors and don't "feel" like anything special.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

No Rich, Corinthian Leather ?

Posted by: JT at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (T4tVD)

21 I expect lots of crow .. especially from California

Posted by: SMOD

Then you don't know leftists. They'll never admit that their EV fantasies were stupid and irresponsible. I'm going long on wreckers.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (eOEVl)

22 How quickly car companies can transition is immaterial. The question is how quickly can electrical grids by massively increased? The answer: not NEARLY soon enough.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:06 AM (eOEVl)

Also note that they are doing nothing to actually make the grid stronger to handle all these evs they are demanding.

It is like only hearing half the notes of a song.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (zZu0s)

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In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (ZLI7S)

Denmark is using a big metal box they put over the burning car to suffocate it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

24 While jurisdictions like California and New York move toward banning the sale of new gasoline-powered cars, one US state wants to go in the opposite direction. Wyoming’s legislature is considering a resolution that calls for a phaseout of new electric vehicle sales by 2035. Introduced on Friday, Senate Joint Resolution 4 has support from members of the state’s House of Representatives and Senate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)

25 Should I buy a spare crate engine...while I can still get one?...or will gas stations be outlawed,too?

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

26 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

Albania?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (eOEVl)

27 The fate of the largest planned lithium mine in the United States is now in the hands of a federal judge who hopes to issue a ruling in a long-running legal battle in the next two months.
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I hope I'll have it ready in two months, but there are a LOT of Netflix shows I have to catch up on, so who knows.
- Judge Hector "the Hangman" BMW

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (fs1hN)

28 16 Are EVs automatics or sticks?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (S4CEj)

No gearbox at all. Straight drive, iianm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:09 AM (zZu0s)

29 An examination of the amounts of materials to make all the wonderful EVs shows that we will need lots and lots of additional child labor to mine the cobalt and nickel required. And, that's just the beginning.

Likewise, there is the required electricity that usually has a multi-decade lead time.

Posted by: SMOD at January 16, 2023 11:09 AM (RHGPo)

30 Speaking of car companies driving themselves into a ditch in pursuit of the glorious all-EV future…
Volkswagen’s US sales collapsed in 2022 after it announced that it aspires primarily to be an EV company by 2030, even here in the states.
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I doubt it's the EV announcement or even the EV focus that's doing it. It could be a factor, I just sort of doubt it's the primary one. 2030 is a long way off. Most people probably wouldn't be put off buying a Volkswagen today because of something that might happen 6-10 years from now, even if they disagree with the direction.

How's VW's availability been? Of all the major global car firms, VW is the most dependent on China for supply lines. The American automakers are behind them, and the Japanese have the least dependence. How much of the sales decline is because they can't get finished cars into the dealerships?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)

31 I foresee a bright future where millions of scrawny brown kids will work 15-hour days to extract cobalt and lithium for your Earth-friendly EV.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 16, 2023 11:10 AM (Qzn2/)

32 26 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

Albania?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:08 AM (eOEVl)

Don't want to risk a Greece fire.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:10 AM (zZu0s)

33 LOL how can we have this post without Joe Xiden?!?

Posted by: BlackOrchidthenotsinger at January 16, 2023 11:10 AM (w0NJk)

34 Mercedes and Rivian announced a partnership in September 2022, and it lasted all of three months.
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So Hollywood companies have Hollywood-length marriages?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:10 AM (t0OGg)

35 Battery fires are a class D fire. Water shouldn't even be used. You need a class D extinguishing agent. Which is usually a powder.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (UuD2k)

36 33 LOL how can we have this post without Joe Xiden?!?
Posted by: BlackOrchidthenotsinger at January 16, 2023 11:10 AM (w0NJk)

Have not seen him for a bit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (zZu0s)

37 As mentioned earlier 🤡 🌎...

Rob Reiner @robreiner · 23h
The difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is: Joe Biden is a decent law abiding person, and Donald Trump is a pathologically lying criminal.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (Vwz3I)

38 26 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

What do they push it with?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (eGTCV)

39 37 As mentioned earlier 🤡 🌎...

Rob Reiner @robreiner · 23h
The difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is: Joe Biden is a decent law abiding person, and Donald Trump is a pathologically lying criminal.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (Vwz3I)

But what does Carrot Top think?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (zZu0s)

40 I am glad I am not selling a used Tesla Model Y right now.

Of course, I rarely sell cars. I drive them until they're not worth fixing anymore.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)

41 Rob Reiner @robreiner · 23h
The difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is: Joe Biden is a decent law abiding person, and Donald Trump is a pathologically lying criminal.

You're an idiot, so........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

42 The Tesla collapse isn't about Tesla, as Billy Jeff opined, it's the economy people.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (1sTY/)

43 26 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

What do they push it with?

Vigor!

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (eOEVl)

44 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

Uhhhh - if these bad boys burn at 6000F and steel melts at around 2500F. . . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (qoGsy)

45 @robreiner · 23h
The difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is: Joe Biden is a decent law abiding person, and Donald Trump is a pathologically lying criminal.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (Vwz3I)
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It's funny.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)

46 I find it hard to believe that Meathead actually thinks Senile Joe is a decent, law-abiding citizen.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (eGTCV)

47 Are EVs automatics or sticks?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (S4CEj)

Most don't have multiple gears - just a single reduction gearbox.

Porsche Taycan is an exception - has a two-speed (auto), not sure if there are others.

Posted by: spindrift at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (h5TKJ)

48 "Speaking of the eco-foolish, they really don’t understand what goes into making their “green” cars do they?

Almost 400 new mines needed to meet future EV battery demand, data finds"

Make that 100 new mines after our soon to be next op.

Posted by: Satan Klaus at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (TrY4O)

49 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

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I like this idea and wish to apply it to other things on a large scale basis.

We are going to need a lot of dumpsters.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (sX1BW)

50 Of course, I rarely sell cars. I drive them until they're not worth fixing anymore.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Literally, until the doors fall off. Preach it Brother!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (qoGsy)

51 2 wheel cart, or 4 wheel wagon? Horses? Mules? Oxen?

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (AwYPR)

52 Joe Biden and decent is a non sequiter

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (1sTY/)

53 42 The Tesla collapse isn't about Tesla, as Billy Jeff opined, it's the economy people.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (1sTY/)

Short seller collusion. I wouldn't doubt they were given orders from "above".

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (1ais2)

54 Uhhhh - if these bad boys burn at 6000F and steel melts at around 2500F. . . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:12 AM (qoGsy)

'Fire does not melt steel.'
-Rosie O'Donnell, fire chief of Florence

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (zZu0s)

55 Sequitur

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 16, 2023 11:14 AM (1sTY/)

56 I find it hard to believe that Meathead actually thinks ~~Senile Joe is a decent, law-abiding citizen~~.

FIFY

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:14 AM (eOEVl)

57 This is just a hit piece funded by Big Stove!!!

Posted by: Johnny Hybrid at January 16, 2023 11:14 AM (U5n2r)

58 I thought Class D fires are burning metal, and that electrical fires are Class C.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2023 11:14 AM (S4CEj)

59 A flaming electric car dumpster chariot pulled by a hitched-up team of hobos.

Posted by: Pictures from a 2025 scrapbook at January 16, 2023 11:14 AM (HQ79i)

60 55 Sequitur
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Sequitur? I don't even know her!

* shows self out, again *

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 16, 2023 11:15 AM (fs1hN)

61 10 Georgia Governor Brian Kemp is an idiot.
Posted by: Chuck Martel

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Well he is attending this year's WEF in Davos.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:15 AM (bDjBG)

62 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

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I like this idea and wish to apply it to other things on a large scale basis.

We are going to need a lot of dumpsters.

When Chernobyl went TU, they built a cement sarcophagus around it. America is going to look like Normandy with all the pillboxes encasing EVs.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:15 AM (eOEVl)

63 Literally, until the doors fall off. Preach it Brother!!
Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:13 AM (qoGsy)
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Yeah. I have no qualms about driving an unfashionable older car and I do scrimp on maintenance. My older car is now 16 years old and my newer car - the only car I've ever bought new - is five. Both are in tip-top mechanical condition. Unless something changes (I get a job that puts me on the road, I have wreck, etc.), I don't think I'll be in the car market for another 10 years.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)

64 Wow. Those discounted used Teslas are still $20k more than I would pay for a used vehicle.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (uPgE/)

65 Looking at that top picture reminds me that the entire purpose of EVs is to reduce emissions.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (FVME7)

66 Just how "green" are EVs when they are on fire?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (u4CEu)

67 Electric cars? Well what I like is a seat heater on a really cold day, well until my ass overheats

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (dO/0d)

68 LOL how can we have this post without Joe Xiden?!?
Posted by: BlackOrchidthenotsinger at January 16, 2023 11:10 AM (w0NJk)

Have not seen him for a bit.
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He skedaddled when interest rates started shooting through the roof. He was also big on adjustable rate mortgages "you're just leaving money on the table if you don't run out and get one". Highly concentrated derp.

Posted by: Yoe Xiden at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (SLmwA)

69 I wasn't an A student in my engineering school but I understand enough to know that gasoline and diesel are really good portable energy solutions. When gas prices are high a hybrid becomes personally attractive but I just don't get going full electric. It's the tulip mania of the 21st century.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (83y/e)

70 Sigh. Do *not* scrimp on maintenance.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (t0OGg)

71 EV truck maker Rivian has lost a significant number of its executive staff. Some have gone over to Ford, which seems like a dead end to me. Rivian's stock has lost about 70% of its value and the company failed to meet expectations on the number of vehicles sold in 2022, missing the mark by several thousand.*

*Significant because Rivian is a "nitch" manufacturer to begin with. And pricy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (Q4IgG)

72 Going to keep driving my To-yo-ta RAV 4 until it gets totaled. Maybe we'll help Pookette save up for a Corolla, since we had a good experience with ours the three years we leased it.

Posted by: pookysgirl has seen a Toyopet store at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (XKZwp)

73 Biden response to No Logs For DE House reports:

https://twitter.com/buitengebieden/status/
1614965843598737409

https://tinyurl.com/z48n5xbd

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (Vwz3I)

74 I don't have one. But they are really fun to drive. I hate the big screen.

I wish we had nuclear zepplins and nuclear cars too.

And massive displacement gas cars.

With 3 carbs.

I also like trains.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (1ais2)

75 Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Happy Fun Car.

Caution: Happy Fun Car may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.

Happy Fun Car contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.

Do not use Happy Fun Car on concrete.

If Happy Fun Car begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

Do not taunt Happy Fun Car.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (Qzn2/)

76 VW is one of the largest Automotive Corporations in the world. They own Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ducati and Rolls Royce. Don't think those guys are going full electric.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (OgrpQ)

77 Yikes, what a mess:

"I Would Not Buy A Tesla Again": U.S. Tesla Owners Fume About Recent Price Cuts

https://tinyurl.com/42s3ccm6

I'm wondering if Tesla can stay in business with govt dictated prices.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (UuD2k)

78 Mmmmmm. Nuclear Airships.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (zZu0s)

79 I wasn't an A student in my engineering school but I understand enough to know that gasoline and diesel are really good portable energy solutions. When gas prices are high a hybrid becomes personally attractive but I just don't get going full electric. It's the tulip mania of the 21st century.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 16, 2023 11:16 AM (83y/e)
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Were there armies of government officials the world over, backed up by NGOs and the entire institutional complex within and without Holland setting policies to force people to buy tulips?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (t0OGg)

80 Presuming that the current electric grid can't support everyone switching to EVs is built on a false model.

It presumes 8 billion or so in the population.

Run those numbers again with a population of 800 million instead.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (D0eLk)

81 78 Mmmmmm. Nuclear Airships.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (zZu0s)

Ikr. RIGHT?

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (1ais2)

82 He skedaddled when interest rates started shooting through the roof. He was also big on adjustable rate mortgages "you're just leaving money on the table if you don't run out and get one". Highly concentrated derp.

dude got banned!

happiest day on here for me anyway

he was TIRESOME

Posted by: BlackOrchidthenotsinger at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (w0NJk)

83 Rivian's stock has lost about 70% of its value

Soros holds 20 million shares last I checked. Hope he lost his ass.

Posted by: Halfhand at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (IJL84)

84 10 Georgia Governor Brian Kemp is an idiot.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 16, 2023 11:05 AM (fs1hN)

...and water is wet.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (CCSxw)

85 In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.

Uhhhh - if these bad boys burn at 6000F and steel melts at around 2500F. . . . .
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Fairly typical of European problem solving isn't it?

Posted by: Ask a Belgian what to do - quick! at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (R3/X0)

86 46 I find it hard to believe that Meathead actually thinks Senile Joe is a decent, law-abiding citizen.
Posted by: N.Lurker
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He doesn't. He lies and is evil.

It is time for people on the right to drop the idea that their opposition is simply ignorant or stupid. They are and choose to be evil and lying is part of that via inversion of right and wrong.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (bDjBG)

87 Nuclear Airships and ORION.

The REAL ORION. Accept no substitutes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (zZu0s)

88 ++++
It's gonna be great when on of these fires happens when the vehicle is traveling through a national forest...
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Yellowstone during fire season.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (y/a4v)

89 EVs are great, hybrids are great, and gas/diesels are grrrreat!! The government, however, sucks cock by choice.

Posted by: Chalant AF at January 16, 2023 11:20 AM (TrY4O)

90 He doesn't. He lies and is evil.

It is time for people on the right to drop the idea that their opposition is simply ignorant or stupid. They are and choose to be evil and lying is part of that via inversion of right and wrong.
Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:19 AM (bDjBG)

He is also demonstrably, massively stupid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:20 AM (zZu0s)

91 VW is one of the largest Automotive Corporations in the world. They own Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ducati and Rolls Royce. Don't think those guys are going full electric.

Yeah, I have real doubts that the guys running Ford, etc., really believe what they're saying. I think it's more likely that they're just parroting what they know the admin wants to hear, just to keep them off their asses, and maybe get some of those sweet subsidies.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:20 AM (eOEVl)

92 He skedaddled when interest rates started shooting through the roof. He was also big on adjustable rate mortgages "you're just leaving money on the table if you don't run out and get one". Highly concentrated derp.

dude got banned!

happiest day on here for me anyway

he was TIRESOME
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On SNAP! I missed that. What happened? I was hoping I ran him off by mocking him incessently.

Posted by: Yoe Xiden at January 16, 2023 11:20 AM (R3/X0)

93 June 22, 2022:

Today, a typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminium, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.

Green + child slavery + NIMBY it is a ignorant, naive, and stupid leftist's dream!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 11:20 AM (u4CEu)

94 71 EV truck maker Rivian has lost a significant number of its executive staff. Some have gone over to Ford, which seems like a dead end to me. Rivian's stock has lost about 70% of its value and the company failed to meet expectations on the number of vehicles sold in 2022, missing the mark by several thousand.*

*Significant because Rivian is a "nitch" manufacturer to begin with. And pricy.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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Ford made a big investment in Rivian and had to take a bath on it recently marking their investment down in financial statements by several billion bucks.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (bDjBG)

95 VW is one of the largest Automotive Corporations in the world. They own Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ducati and Rolls Royce.

BMW owns Rolls-Royce. 801 vs Merlin ... the final chapter.

Posted by: spindrift at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (h5TKJ)

96 I like mining.

It's a good idea.

We should be doing more.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (1ais2)

97 They are and choose to be evil and lying is part of that via inversion of right and wrong.

I actually believe Meathead is an asset. He's just too diligent and dedicated in his twitter-spew. This is his job.

Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (Vwer9)

98 dude got banned!

happiest day on here for me anyway

he was TIRESOME
Posted by: BlackOrchidthenotsinger at January 16, 2023 11:18 AM (w0NJk)

Awww. I thought MooMoo/Xiden could be tedious, but I liked the discordant note. He seemed to take it in good stride considering the massive torrent of shit he called down on his head.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (zZu0s)

99 91 VW is one of the largest Automotive Corporations in the world. They own Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ducati and Rolls Royce. Don't think those guys are going full electric.

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BMW owns Rolls Royce and VW holds only a minority share in Porsche.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (Qzn2/)

100 Have not seen him for a bit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (zZu0s)

I believe JoeXiden got bannenated back in the fall...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (CCSxw)

101 Sometime in the past month one of the CoBs recommended a book, a different take on zombies, by a friendly youtuber? Any help on the book, CoB, or writer would be appreciated. Not on SMBT. Thanks.

Posted by: Candidus at January 16, 2023 11:22 AM (eM0wU)

102 For most of my 67 years, JT's Bird Bath Status was of no concern to me. Now, however, it is the first thing on my mind upon awakening, displacing Skip's Breakfast to #2. I need help!

Posted by: Fugitive From Board of Mental Health at January 16, 2023 11:22 AM (8ocB+)

103 I also like trains.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (1ais2)

So do I!

Posted by: Sec. Buttigeig at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (N39Ws)

104 Of course, I rarely sell cars. I drive them until they're not worth fixing anymore.

KARS-4-KIDS has blocked my phone number.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

105 97 They are and choose to be evil and lying is part of that via inversion of right and wrong.

I actually believe Meathead is an asset. He's just too diligent and dedicated in his twitter-spew. This is his job.
Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (Vwer9)

Yep. He's very connected. He reinforced the central cognitive figleaf allowing bad actions "just this once becahse Trump obv"

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (1ais2)

106 According to members of the Wagner Private Military Company recently captured by Ukraine, they reportedly witnessed their own members executed by Russian leaders.

"Those who disobey are eliminated – and it’s done publicly," one member of the Wagner Group said over the weekend.

.. many of the Wagner Group are criminals drawn from Russian prisons, so I would expect no less.

Posted by: SMOD at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (RHGPo)

107 No one would buy battery cars were it not for the HUGE tax incentive to do so.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

108 Presuming that the current electric grid can't support everyone switching to EVs is built on a false model.

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Well, we're going to have to make room for about 100,000,000 new electric ranges here in the US.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (FVME7)

109 102 For most of my 67 years, JT's Bird Bath Status was of no concern to me. Now, however, it is the first thing on my mind upon awakening, displacing Skip's Breakfast to #2. I need help!
Posted by: Fugitive From Board of Mental Health at January 16, 2023 11:22 AM (8ocB+)

Per JT, it was 'firm' this morning.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (zZu0s)

110 Where is the commenter who usually shows up to passionately defend EVs? He has been absent of late...

Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (geLO8)

111 He is also demonstrably, massively stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

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I don't give them that honor any longer. When the apparent 'stupidity' runs in one direction only, it is malicious evil. Stupidity is normally demonstrated by a random walk where stupidity is demonstrated on many issues some favoring the right and others the left. Choosing to believe in inversion of good and evil is evil--not stupidity.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (bDjBG)

112 103 I also like trains.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:17 AM (1ais2)

So do I!
Posted by: Sec. Buttigeig at January 16, 2023 11:23 AM (N39Ws)

NOT THOSE TRAINS CREEP JFC

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (1ais2)

113 Japanese over 65 have done their best to reduce Japan’s 612-million-dose stockpile of mRNA jabs, with 3rd, 4th, and 5th jab rates of 91%, 82.5%, and 56%, respectively. But unfortunately, Japan has started 2023 by reporting its highest ever daily Covid death tolls. During the booster era starting in early 2022, each wave has been noticeably higher than the last.

The cause of the rise in Covid deaths is *hard to explain.*

Posted by: SMOD at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

114 Where is the commenter who usually shows up to passionately defend EVs? He has been absent of late...
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (geLO8

Joe Xiden. He been gone awhile.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

115 According to members of the Wagner Private Military Company recently captured by Ukraine, they reportedly witnessed their own members executed by Russian leaders.

Unpossible. Ukraine and Zelensky are the font of all evil.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (eOEVl)

116 Soros had to leave the WEF good time get together and baby eating forum because of a scheduling conflict. Seriously, who doesn't clear their schedule for a meeting with Satan?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 11:25 AM (u4CEu)

117
Per JT, it was 'firm' this morning.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (zZu0s)

Morning wood.

Posted by: Beavis AND Butthead at January 16, 2023 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

118 Once fire happens it can burn up to 6,000 degrees

How about a dump truck-load of dirt? Or do the batteries already contain the oxygen they need for burning?

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:25 AM (dNNCD)

119 Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (bDjBG)

Come, whig- they can be both evil AND stupid. In fact, it is kind of required.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:25 AM (zZu0s)

120 >For most of my 67 years, JT's Bird Bath Status was of no concern to me. Now, however, it is the first thing on my mind upon awakening, displacing Skip's Breakfast to #2. I need help!

Posted by: Fugitive From Board of Mental Health

don't forget Wolfus' shower/shave/pipe

Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (geLO8)

121 Where is the commenter who usually shows up to passionately defend EVs? He has been absent of late...

Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (geLO

Moo Moo? or whatever?...banned, I think.

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (AwYPR)

122 Outlawing gasoline requires outlawing ethanol which will never happen because all 100 senators think they should be president and corn grows in Iowa.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (9X60i)

123 How about a dump truck-load of dirt? Or do the batteries already contain the oxygen they need for burning?
Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:25 AM (dNNCD)

Depending on the metals involved, they might not need air.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (zZu0s)

124 Earth First. We’ll mine the other planets later.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (S4CEj)

125 @robreiner · 23h
The difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is: Joe Biden is a decent law abiding person, and Donald Trump is a pathologically lying criminal.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:11 AM (Vwz3I)

Archie Bunker was right.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (N39Ws)

126 Moo moo was banned? I thought he was just driven off in shame.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (Qzn2/)

127 I'm assuming a component of the "Tesla Tumble" is the effort to ruin Musk over his free speech efforts.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (Emce2)

128 When I worked production at a major chemical company and took their fire training, the thing I remember most about metal fires (e.g., Magnesium, and I suspect the Lithium fires from EV's) is that they can burn hot enough to disassociate water into hydrogen and oxygen, and thus make your water spray part of the fire's fuel. So unless you can flood it very quickly with large volumes, just spraying water on a fire that hot can just make the fire worse.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (96wFa)

129 127 I'm assuming a component of the "Tesla Tumble" is the effort to ruin Musk over his free speech efforts.
Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (Emce2)

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Exactamundo.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (Qzn2/)

130 I actually believe Meathead is an asset. He's just too diligent and dedicated in his twitter-spew. This is his job.
Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:21 AM (Vwer9)

Yep. He's very connected. He reinforced the central cognitive figleaf allowing bad actions "just this once becahse Trump obv"
Posted by: Thesokorus
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In a lot of cases, celebrities actually have political handlers assigned to them by their 'talent' agencies and I would have no doubt that money changes hands. I think Richard Dreyfuss mentioned that fact a couple of decades ago about his 'handler' and that it wasn't unusual.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (bDjBG)

131 MIT’s New Video Game: Stop a White Woman From Harassing a Muslim
To that end, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) has now developed a video game in which the fun never stops: players can stop “a white woman from the Midwest” from harassing a hijabed Muslim from Malaysia on an airplane. Want to become a fearless crusader against pandemic (indeed, systemic) white racism? “On the Plane” is the game for you.

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I don't know if they want to hit that Muslims on airliners thing to hard.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (FVME7)

132 I am trying to give fewer fucks about Ukraine, but I am finding difficulty getting below 0.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (R8uWY)

133 Once you consider that TPTB are planning the demise of most of us, the argument of scarce resources quickly goes away.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (jTmQV)

134 who doesn't clear their schedule for a meeting with Satan?

The guy who thinks he’s Satan.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (9X60i)

135 Archie Bunker was right.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (N39Ws)
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Much tot he chagrin of the writers. Archie Bunker, like Al Bundy, was supposed to be the guy you didn't like. You were supposed to point and laugh at him because he was so backwards.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)

136 123 How about a dump truck-load of dirt? Or do the batteries already contain the oxygen they need for burning?
Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:25 AM (dNNCD)

Depending on the metals involved, they might not need air.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (zZu0s)

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A giant tanker truck full of Barbasol maybe?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (Qzn2/)

137 114 Where is the commenter who usually shows up to passionately defend EVs? He has been absent of late...
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (geLO8

Joe Xiden. He been gone awhile.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

I thought we figured out he was paid to be here...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (exHjb)

138 120 >For most of my 67 years, JT's Bird Bath Status was of no concern to me. Now, however, it is the first thing on my mind upon awakening, displacing Skip's Breakfast to #2. I need help!

Posted by: Fugitive From Board of Mental Health

don't forget Wolfus' shower/shave/pipe
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:26 AM (geLO8

What about Diogenes's coffee?

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (Emce2)

139 How about a parking garage filled with 8000 pound EV Hummers. That should throw the building strength calculations overboard.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (JskL+)

140 "Patch" Crenshaw, Waltz Introduce Bill to Authorize Use of Military Force Against Drug Cartels: ‘Time to Go on Offense’

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If this includes carpet bombing Chicago I'm for it!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (FVME7)

141 Ha, ha.

Viva Frei @thevivafrei · Jan 15
How long until the “experts” claim that the COVID-19 jab also helps with gas stove-induced asthma?

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:29 AM (Vwz3I)

142 MIT’s New Video Game: Stop a White Woman From Harassing a Muslim
To that end, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) has now developed a video game in which the fun never stops: players can stop “a white woman from the Midwest” from harassing a hijabed Muslim from Malaysia on an airplane. Want to become a fearless crusader against pandemic (indeed, systemic) white racism? “On the Plane” is the game for you. ...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:27 AM (FVME7)
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I'd rather play a video game based on "Moneyplane"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:29 AM (t0OGg)

143 According to members of the Wagner Private Military Company recently captured by Ukraine, they reportedly witnessed their own members executed by Russian leaders.

I believe the media lies to me. I believe the government lies to me. I believe the Ukrainian government is corrupt.

But I believe news releases from the Ukrainian government.

Because I'm full-on f*cking retarded.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (D0eLk)

144 GM (Chevrolet) plans on introducing a hybrid Corvette in 2025 called the "E-Ray." It'll have the traditional V-8 but will also have an electric mode they are selling as "Stealth Mode." No idea on the all electric range, but it is, to me, a gimmick.

OTOH if it were a true hybrid like an F-1 car that uses regenerative braking to charge the batteries and also uses the battery for power/torque I'd show a little interest.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (Q4IgG)

145 Hey think reiner ever say the movie "Law Abiding Citizen"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (dO/0d)

146 On My morning walk I pass a house with a EV leaf car in the driveway... It is always plugged in.... Outside... They drag the hose out there.. Was pretty funny during the deluge we had last week.. I was afraid it would burst into flames getting that wet

Posted by: It's me donna at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (bs+z0)

147 All this talk about incredible metal fires and buikdings collapsing from giant EVs and huge mines is making me fall in love witn EVs ngl

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (1ais2)

148 criminals drawn from Russian prisons,
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The Dirty Dozenski

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (Vwz3I)

149 As for me, I am going to continue to practice social distancing from EVs.

Are they banned from tunnels, as hazardous material trucks are?

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (ptElO)

150 "Patch" Crenshaw, Waltz Introduce Bill to Authorize Use of Military Force Against Drug Cartels: ‘Time to Go on Offense’

Didn't we already see this movie with Harrison Ford?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (nfrXX)

151 NYC Mayor Adams tours the southern border for no apparent reason, then avers that something must be done about illegal immigration. I see this as part of the Biden Involuntary Retirement campaign.

https://tinyurl.com/5xmaaxsb

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM (eOEVl)

152 > "Patch" Crenshaw, Waltz Introduce Bill to Authorize Use of Military Force Against Drug Cartels: ‘Time to Go on Offense’

I've seen this movie
Clear And Present Danger

Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 16, 2023 11:31 AM (geLO8)

153 The live version of Hot Rod Lincoln is great, they do homage to a bunch of legends in the middle..

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at January 16, 2023 11:31 AM (53oGX)

154 People buy EV's to fill the vacant hole in their boring, humdrum lives and to give it meaning.

Don't be that EV guy.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2023 11:31 AM (R/m4+)

155 Many thought Joe Xiden was Moo-Moo.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (y/a4v)

156 Come on, Xiden/MooMoo was not as bad as Paul or Sid or Rainmondo.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (zZu0s)

157 119 Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:24 AM (bDjBG)

Come, whig- they can be both evil AND stupid. In fact, it is kind of required.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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People can say stupid things without in fact being stupid and they can say those things for a number of reasons including lying. KJP demonstrates that on a daily basis.

Always separate the action from the person.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (bDjBG)

158 I thought we figured out he was paid to be here...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (exHjb)

Yes I recall another moron writing that he saw "raimondo" asking the banned guy to text him

Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (Vwer9)

159 There are 33.7 kW of energy in a gallon of gasoline.

The US produced 134.83 billion gallons of gasoline in 2021. (EIA figure)

Converting the two statements above into how many kWatts are in 134.83 billion gallons of gasoline gives:

4544 billion kWatts of energy contained in that 2021 gasoline.

The electrical grid in 2021 produced 4108 billion kWatts of electricity. (EIA figure.)

So the amount of energy in 2021 from gasoline was about 10% more than what the grid produced, distributed, and consumed in 2021.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (xxG/v)

160 I don't give them that honor any longer. When the apparent 'stupidity' runs in one direction only, it is malicious evil. Stupidity is normally demonstrated by a random walk where stupidity is demonstrated on many issues some favoring the right and others the left. Choosing to believe in inversion of good and evil is evil--not stupidity.
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2 Thess 2 people. -Douhy Reims
And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.

Or English Standard
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness

Their intellects are darkened. They are both stupid, and it is because they are evil.

Posted by: Sin Makes You Stupid at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (m/0Lf)

161 Paul or Sid or Rainmondo.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (zZu0s)

Those guys are fags!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

162 Tesla prices got cut even harder in China iirc.

Also some news out of our fed auto safety board; them heavy ass EVs crush their gas powered rivals quite literally... in collisions, that extra battery mass is bad news to the other cars.

Go figure, huh? and from the WSJ today we have

EVs Made Up 10% of All New Cars Sold Last Year

The increase, driven by China and Europe, ...

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (JOtiF)

163 I just ignored Xiden.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (y/a4v)

164 I'm assuming a component of the "Tesla Tumble" is the effort to ruin Musk over his free speech efforts.

That's part of the stock drop, yeah. They want to destroy him so they're selling off his stocks and big brokers and funds are not buying. Not because he's a poor investment but to punish him for daring to allow free expression on Twitter and exposing the corruption and lawbreaking.

Unpossible. Ukraine and Zelensky are the font of all evil.

I think that, other than the people who put on the full team colors and are waving pom poms for one side of the other, everyone here thinks both sides are evil and corrupt. The reason Zelensky gets more kicks in the teeth than Putin is that Vlad the Defenestrator is not showing up in congress demanding more and more billions of our money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (0hOvj)

165 Is it still Lift Up a Giant Bronze Turd/Cock Day?

Posted by: Still can't quite believe what I'm seeing at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (s2na+)

166 People buy EV's to fill the vacant hole in their boring, humdrum lives and to give it meaning.

Don't be that EV guy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2023 11:31 AM (R/m4+)
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Eh. Some people get them as second cars to use as in-town runabouts or commuting. Or because they're quick as fell and extremely fast. Depends on what kind you buy. The Nissan Leaf is a runabout, the Tesla S is fast.

They can make some sense or be fun. Cool. Have at it. Just leave me the hell out of it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (t0OGg)

167 Much tot he chagrin of the writers. Archie Bunker, like Al Bundy, was supposed to be the guy you didn't like. You were supposed to point and laugh at him because he was so backwards.

The same thing happened with Michael J. Fox's Alex Keaton character in Family Ties. I'm beginning to suspect that Hollywood may not have its finger on the pulse of the average American.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (eOEVl)

168 158 I thought we figured out he was paid to be here...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (exHjb)

Yes I recall another moron writing that he saw "raimondo" asking the banned guy to text him
Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (Vwer9)

It was around 2022 election evening results threads. They just blatantly high fived each other for the paid work, effectively (once the one was outed)...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (exHjb)

169 Yes I recall another moron writing that he saw "raimondo" asking the banned guy to text him
Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (Vwer9)

And we all trust that raimondo does not stir shit up for the purpose of stirring shit up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (zZu0s)

170 I wouldn't buy a Tesla but Musk is or hired a marketing genius. New rockets have to have a demo launch before they can launch the millions to billions satellites. SpaceX launched a Tesla roadster with a dummy in the drivers seat and launched it out of earths orbit for the Falcon heavy demo. And the narrator for their livestream, YouTubes of the SpaceX launches is a fun listen.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (83y/e)

171 I can’t wait till EV owners have to pay the taxes equal to their usage in miles. Why do they get to drive for free when I have to pay both State and Federal taxes at the pump?

Posted by: Nimrod Phinney at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (TCd1+)

172 As Number Two said in Thunderball
once is coincidence...

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (44ww/)

173 Ian Miles Cheong@stillgray
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee has introduced a House Bill to criminalize “conspiracy to commit white supremacy,” which includes any criticism of non-white people that influences (such as something published or said online) someone who commits a hate crime.

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The problem is too much freedom.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)

174 Still haven't heard cause of the Presidential motorcade that went up in famframes, bet at least 1 was a EV

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:34 AM (Japlj)

175 I call them "Rechargeable" cars. Not EV or "electric vehicles".

Somewhere along the way people started using excessively wordy or pompous sounding words to describe ordinary things. "I have to wash my vehicle today." Can you just say "car" or "truck"?

See also: "Rain Event" for a thunderstorm. Everything is a fvcking "event" now.

But I think "Rechargeable" is more accurate, and describes their impracticality better. We can't stop them running society over the cliff, it's baked in the cake now, but we can mock them at every turn. Someone posited today this is due to "running out of oil". Yeah, no. The Green River formation has 900 billion barrels of good recoverable petroleum. Your "leaders" are impoverishing you on purpose. The End.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 16, 2023 11:34 AM (g02KG)

176
NYC Mayor Adams tours the southern border for no apparent reason, then avers that something must be done about illegal immigration. I see this as part of the Biden Involuntary Retirement campaign.

https://tinyurl.com/5xmaaxsb
Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:30 AM

he's running, ya big dummy

Posted by: Redd Foxx at January 16, 2023 11:34 AM (ENBF0)

177 OTOH if it were a true hybrid like an F-1 car that uses regenerative braking to charge the batteries and also uses the battery for power/torque I'd show a little interest.

Posted by: Martini Farmer

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Hybrid makes for some interesting design tradeoff options. The minute 'range' is added to the mix, you quickly go down a dead end called "What can I do with all of this useless weight?"

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 16, 2023 11:34 AM (8AONa)

178 Thanxs Danimal. Great input.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2023 11:34 AM (anj39)

179 Ian Miles Cheong@stillgray
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee has introduced a House Bill to criminalize “conspiracy to commit white supremacy,” which includes any criticism of non-white people that influences (such as something published or said online) someone who commits a hate crime.

I saw that, but assumed it had to be a joke

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (dO/0d)

180 So the amount of energy in 2021 from gasoline was about 10% more than what the grid produced, distributed, and consumed in 2021.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at January 16, 2023 11:32 AM (xxG/v)

Yeah, but ICEs only get 10-20% of that due to their efficiency. The only thing that make EV's viable is the very efficient conversion from battery to motor. Even the biggest EV battery only stores like 2 gallons of diesel equivalent.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (UuD2k)

181 And as penance for the math I inflicted upon us all, here is a picture of Hilde Osland:

https://tinyurl.com/4x5m5epx

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (xxG/v)

182 I think that, other than the people who put on the full team colors and are waving pom poms for one side of the other, everyone here thinks both sides are evil and corrupt. The reason Zelensky gets more kicks in the teeth than Putin is that Vlad the Defenestrator is not showing up in congress demanding more and more billions of our money.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 11:33 AM (0hOvj)

I've done been told that the money is a rounding error and I should stop being greedy and feeling bad about hundreds of thousands of Ukies dying in the mud. It is very valuable mud and the ideals are gorgeous.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (1ais2)

183 There are 33.7 kW of energy in a gallon of gasoline.

The US produced 134.83 billion gallons of gasoline in 2021. (EIA figure)

Converting the two statements above into how many kWatts are in 134.83 billion gallons of gasoline gives:

4544 billion kWatts of energy contained in that 2021 gasoline.

The electrical grid in 2021 produced 4108 billion kWatts of electricity. (EIA figure.)

So the amount of energy in 2021 from gasoline was about 10% more than what the grid produced, distributed, and consumed in 2021.
=
See strong delusion above. This is why I am harping on the fact that 2 Thess 2 is where we are at. This stupidity can not continue. It is extinction level stupidity. It the "intent" behind it is an interesting faculty lounge discussion, but your time is better spent getting ready. Shit getting real bro

Posted by: Sin Makes You Stupid at January 16, 2023 11:36 AM (27UMy)

184 I think that, other than the people who put on the full team colors and are waving pom poms for one side of the other, everyone here thinks both sides are evil and corrupt.

No. No they don't, certainly not equally. In any case, one side invaded another country and one didn't.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:36 AM (eOEVl)

185 In the wild worlds of condos and "rowhouses," in particular, I think there may be hazard in the installation of equipment for, and maintenance of, EV batteries. I don't see everyone hiring a union electricial for installations, or participating in training programs and/or following proper maintenance, housekeeping & storage practices.

I also wonder how the insurance industries will address this new, potential hazard, too.

Posted by: Lola at January 16, 2023 11:36 AM (p39Z2)

186 Archie Bunker was right.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Archie Bunker was supposed to be reviled by the viewers.

Best self-own ever by Norman Lear.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:37 AM (qoGsy)

187 I'd rather play a video game based on "Moneyplane"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Or Mile High Club.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:37 AM (FVME7)

188 Electric vehicles would not be a viable product but for subsidies. Even with them they are only toys for wealthier people. As usual the democrats are getting ever else to pay for their bad ideas.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 16, 2023 11:37 AM (bbnWS)

189 CRT is Marxism

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:37 AM (Japlj)

190 2) Buy a $35K device to slide under vehicle which punctures battery cells and inserts water to mitigate fire under less than a half hour.

That's absurd, a puncture device with a water hose $35K. That's govt. work personified.
A teenager could solve that.
AOP could do a reliable one for $500.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 11:37 AM (d/n5K)

191 The question is... who is convincing these companies to commit suicide for the sake of delivering cars nobody wants that will be dependant on an aging electric infrastructure that nobody wants to improve.

Who benefits from a society where the population is immobile except for government run public transportation?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:38 AM (0Qrr3)

192 Volkswagen Italy's social media handle - volkswagenitalia.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 16, 2023 11:38 AM (OgrpQ)

193 There's a reason why household electricity maxes out at 220 VAC with 110 VAC being the most common.

Not everyone should be screwing around with high voltage electricity. It's very unforgiving.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (UuD2k)

194
Elon has figured out what the second letter of the ESG acronym stands for:

https://tinyurl.com/3xxzy8k7

Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (Vwer9)

195 139 How about a parking garage filled with 8000 pound EV Hummers. That should throw the building strength calculations overboard.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 16, 2023 11:28 AM (JskL+)

When I got in the business in 1980 the building code minimum live load in a parking garage was 50 psf. The more recent building codes have been mandating 40 psf because cars have gotten much lighter due to the mandated mileage requirements imposed on the manufacturers by the government. Should be fun in a couple of years, and I really need to start taking this retirement stuff seriously because I don't want to be involved with any of it.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (xP2AW)

196 Yeah, but ICEs only get 10-20% of that due to their efficiency. The only thing that make EV's viable is the very efficient conversion from battery to motor. Even the biggest EV battery only stores like 2 gallons of diesel equivalent.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (UuD2k)

I still wonder about the trade off: You make a diesel generator motor as light as possible. Use diesel to power electric motors.

Pros: Electric performance.

It seems like it would be a way to square the circle as a purpose built generator would be more efficient than a standard car engine at producing electricity, but I dunno. If it were that easy, you'd think someone would have tried it already, so there must be something about it that does not work.

I seem to recall AOP saying that certain trains function this way, but that it does not scale down well.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (zZu0s)

197 he's running, ya big dummy

Posted by: Redd Foxx

With his record, I'd run too.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (eOEVl)

198 I said it in the earlier thread, but a family of four with 3-4 laying hens does far more for the environment than any EV owner in reducing CO2 emissions.

And the stories being suppressed about the cobalt mines?
There are more slaves in the world today directly working to support a far greater portion of the world's economy than at any point in history.

And these slaves--many are children--at the bottom of the Green Pyramid are working in horid conditions that rival and exceed the worst of the Caribbean sugar plantations (which took far and away the bulk of antebellum African slaves; just worked them to death, bought hundreds more).

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (5EnGD)

199 156 Come on, Xiden/MooMoo was not as bad as Paul or Sid or Rainmondo.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Worse, Xiden/MooMoo is unflushable and proceeds to vomit his posts disrupting a thread's discussion.

The other trolls are mainly drop a turd and run.

Disruptor trolls are more insidious than drive bys as they seek to derail conversations whether because they are paid to do it or their own psychological demons make them do it.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (bDjBG)

200 I don't think I'll be in the car market for another 10 years.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)

I've been wondering if it might be smart to "top off" our car ownership before the remote kill switch cars hit the market in 2026. Otherwise I'd be quite content with our current 20-yr-old transportation.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (Emce2)

201 Dang.
32 years ago today I fired my first mission in wartime.
Seems like yesterday.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (anj39)

202 Elon has figured out what the second letter of the ESG acronym stands for:

https://tinyurl.com/3xxzy8k7
Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (Vwer9)
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That's one answer. The other is that ESG stands for "Enviro-socialist governance."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (t0OGg)

203 "What can I do with all of this useless weight?"
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Run it for the governorship of Georgia??

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (Vwz3I)

204 191 The question is... who is convincing these companies to commit suicide for the sake of delivering cars nobody wants that will be dependant on an aging electric infrastructure that nobody wants to improve.

Who benefits from a society where the population is immobile except for government run public transportation?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:38 AM (0Qrr3

Musk is prob largest DoD contractor. SpaceX is Nasa absent gov hurdles. DoD wants rockets and electric cars. They clearly intend infrastructhre devslopment. They are being opposed.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (1ais2)

205 I thought Class D fires are burning metal, and that electrical fires are Class C.

That's the neat thing about EVs, you have electrical fires and, thanks to all the lithium in the battery packs, metal fires in the same package. The only thing missing is some way to build up pressure.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (Bd6X8)

206 181 And as penance for the math I inflicted upon us all, here is a picture of Hilde Osland:

https://tinyurl.com/4x5m5epx
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (xxG/v)

Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s)

207 I drove aviation fuel trucks for a time after I got out of the Army. Pay was very good but it was unnerving to drive along the Beltway with that much things that make you go boom right behind you.

That being said flames from my cargo did not reach 4000 degrees even if disaster happened.

Imagine driving a car carrier with all EVs on board. I'd rather haul hazmat. At least they pay you more to carry that stuff.

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclopes at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (PbwT0)

208 Good morning all!

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (mnUzy)

209 When your car needs fixin', don't take it Rodney Dangerfield's shop:
https://youtu.be/jqqcrf64UWg

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (t0OGg)

210 Here is how AoS readership is described to potential internet advertisers.

The Ace of Spades HQ audience is smart and engaged. You'll have ample time to get noticed by these readers because they spend over 3 minutes on the site to catch up on the latest political commentary. 80% of the traffic is direct so they are dedicated and come back day-in and day-out. Ace of Spades' readers respond to political campaigns and causes, technology developments, and lively discussions.

https://www.intermarkets.net/ace-of-spades.html

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (D0eLk)

211 >>> No. No they don't, certainly not equally. In any case, one side invaded another country and one didn't.
Posted by: Archimedes
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I remember the Czechs saying, WTF, a few years back.
The Poles too.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (d/n5K)

212 I think I am turning Japanese

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (Japlj)

213 Disruptor trolls are more insidious than drive bys as they seek to derail conversations whether because they are paid to do it or their own psychological demons make them do it.
Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (bDjBG)

Maybe. I always got the sense he just enjoyed being a contrarian. Does not have to be an enemy agent.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (zZu0s)

214 RNC Research@RNCResearch
Joe Biden tells HBCU graduates that he “desegregated restaurants and movie theaters” during the Civil Rights movement.
This is completely FALSE.
. . . .
BIDEN: "I used to go to 7:30 mass every morning in high school and then in college, before I went to the Black church. Not a joke."
Congregants say they can't recall Biden ever attending.

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Well, a joke has a punchline so I guess he's right about that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (FVME7)

215 That's the neat thing about EVs, you have electrical fires and, thanks to all the lithium in the battery packs, metal fires in the same package. The only thing missing is some way to build up pressure.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (Bd6X

Unironicalky 100% in love with EVs now.

We gotta do this. We gotta tame the beast.

It's who we are.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (1ais2)

216 I seem to recall AOP saying that certain trains function this way, but that it does not scale down well.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:39 AM (zZu0s)

I think now it probably could scale down fine. You also get the benefit of getting rid of the transmission. The efficiency improves because the diesel is running at a constant speed, it's most efficient. ICE's lose a lot of their efficiency because they are running up and down with traffic.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (UuD2k)

217 15 years ago morons hated Obama for loaning GM 37 billion to avoid bankruptcy.
Tesla outsold all European car manufacturers in 2022
EV batteries are easily recyclable. Battery technology improves every month. The highest mileage Tesla currently is a German taxi with over 1 million miles on it,including over 750000 miles on its current battery( first was replaced under warranty)
Chevy Bolt now cost is nder $20000 range 250 miles
In USA EV sales have averaged about 50% increase per year except pandemic.

Posted by: Paul at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (Owmx+)

218 Volkswagen Italy's social media handle - volkswagenitalia.

Oh noes!

*ponders*

Is this why Gina Lollobrigida killed herself?

Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:43 AM (Vwer9)

219 Maybe. I always got the sense he just enjoyed being a contrarian. Does not have to be an enemy agent.

Agree. Group think is a thing, and that includes this site.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:43 AM (eOEVl)

220 https://www.intermarkets.net/ace-of-spades.html
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (D0eLk)

We do have a lot of comments about 8 packs, toenail fungus and bald dudes shilling coffee.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)

221 That's the neat thing about EVs, you have electrical fires and, thanks to all the lithium in the battery packs, metal fires in the same package. The only thing missing is some way to build up pressure.
Posted by: Blanco Basura

You too can create bleve explosions for fun and profit!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (qoGsy)

222 The Ace of Spades HQ audience is smart and engaged. You'll have ample time to get noticed by these readers because they spend over 3 minutes on the site to catch up on the latest political commentary. 80% of the traffic is direct so they are dedicated and come back day-in and day-out. Ace of Spades' readers respond to political campaigns and causes, technology developments, and lively discussions

And we've managed to land King Harv and the Toenail Fungus lobby.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (y/a4v)

223 217 15 years ago morons hated Obama for loaning GM 37 billion to avoid bankruptcy.
Tesla outsold all European car manufacturers in 2022
EV batteries are easily recyclable. Battery technology improves every month. The highest mileage Tesla currently is a German taxi with over 1 million miles on it,including over 750000 miles on its current battery( first was replaced under warranty)
Chevy Bolt now cost is nder $20000 range 250 miles
In USA EV sales have averaged about 50% increase per year except pandemic.
Posted by: Paul at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (Owmx+)

Now this guy comes and makes me hate EVs again. His tedium has to be counter-op.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (1ais2)

224 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (D0eLk)

well that explains all the toe fungus and ED ads anyway

Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (Vwer9)

225 The elites know damn well you can't replace combustion vehicles with electric on a one-to-one basis and they are FINE WITH THAT. They have no intent to even try. They want the plebes limited to public transit and packed into cities. Increasingly unaffordable personal transportation is a feature not a bug. The electrics will be limited to the ideologically pure, and the wealthy (birm) as much as feasible.

Posted by: SamIam at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (oasF3)

226 Hilde Osland:

https://tinyurl.com/4x5m5epx
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at January 16, 2023 11:35 AM (xxG/v)

Nice.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:41 AM (zZu0s)
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Guess all women have fabricated tits these days.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (d/n5K)

227 The Ace of Spades HQ audience is smart and engaged. You'll have ample time to get noticed by these readers because they spend over 3 minutes on the site to catch up on the latest political commentary. 80% of the traffic is direct so they are dedicated and come back day-in and day-out. Ace of Spades' readers respond to political campaigns and causes, technology developments, and lively discussions.

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They must be stopped!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (FVME7)

228 The question is... who is convincing these companies to commit suicide for the sake of delivering cars nobody wants

ESG. The giant fund managers (BlackRock, Vanguard, etc.) will direct investment towards your stock (and away from others) based on your ESG scores. This massive 'demand' for your stock is fairly immune to mundane matters such as fundamentals.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:45 AM (yZlY6)

229 15 years ago morons hated Obama for loaning GM 37 billion to avoid bankruptcy.
Tesla outsold all European car manufacturers in 2022
EV batteries are easily recyclable. Battery technology improves every month. The highest mileage Tesla currently is a German taxi with over 1 million miles on it,including over 750000 miles on its current battery( first was replaced under warranty)
Chevy Bolt now cost is nder $20000 range 250 miles
In USA EV sales have averaged about 50% increase per year except pandemic.

If they're so great, why are they heavily subsidized?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:45 AM (eOEVl)

230 Marxists have the Leftists hook line and sinker believing in Global warming

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:45 AM (Japlj)

231 I've seen a lot of people go broke believing in

"if you build it, they will come"

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 11:45 AM (us2H3)

232 Chevy Bolt

Starting at $26,500

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev

Suck it, Paul.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (UuD2k)

233 "The Ace of Spades HQ audience is smart and engaged. You'll have ample time to get noticed by these readers because ***they spend over 3 minutes on the site ***to catch up on the latest political commentary. 80% of the traffic is direct so they are dedicated and come back day-in and day-out. Ace of Spades' readers respond to political campaigns and causes, technology developments, and lively discussions."

Yeah...three minutes...LOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (CCSxw)

234 If the GOPe knew how to play politics they'd start banning EVs in states where they have a majority.

Why? Because that throws a wrench into the whole "ban ICE cars" plan.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (lc5cP)

235 Musk is prob largest DoD contractor. SpaceX is Nasa absent gov hurdles. DoD wants rockets and electric cars. They clearly intend infrastructhre devslopment. They are being opposed.
Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:40 AM (1ais2)

I disagree. They don't want the infrastructure improved to the point where the energy equivalent of modern gas consumption is replaced with electricity. Listen to their words... it's all "give up your burning stuff", never "hey look at how we are going to make this cheap new hardend reliable electric source." All the talk about is wind and solar boondoggles....you know unicorn farts.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (0Qrr3)

236 Buck: Thanks for the Hot Rod Lincoln. I always have to decide which I like better, the Lincoln or C.J. McCall's Wolf Creek Pass.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (z7W9M)

237 Now this guy comes and makes me hate EVs again. His tedium has to be counter-op.

He must have bought TSLA at $300/shr.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (Bd6X8)

238 Ace of Spades' readers respond to political campaigns and causes, technology developments, and lively discussions.

And gross pictures of feet and pimples?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (nfrXX)

239 Toyota President Akio Toyoda...

********

Is that name merely serendipitous or evidence of nepotism?

Posted by: Muldoon at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (ykeLU)

240 Joe Biden tells HBCU graduates that he “desegregated restaurants and movie theaters” during the Civil Rights movement.
This is completely FALSE.
. . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:42 AM (FVME7)

They didn't serve idiots?

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2023 11:47 AM (AwYPR)

241 234 If the GOPe knew how to play politics they'd start banning EVs in states where they have a majority.

Why? Because that throws a wrench into the whole "ban ICE cars" plan.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (lc5cP)

Uhhhh why not buikd nuke plants and grid infrastructure?

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:47 AM (1ais2)

242 Guess all women have fabricated tits these days.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 11:44 AM (d/n5K)

Not. Quite. Yet.

https://tinyurl.com/mpzhuepc

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:47 AM (zZu0s)

243 Yeah...three minutes...LOLOLOLOLOL
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot

Three minutes!? No one likes a show off!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:47 AM (qoGsy)

244 223 217 15 years ago morons hated Obama for loaning GM 37 billion to avoid bankruptcy.

no, people hated the way Obama left the bond holders out in the cold

the things you can learn when you pull your head out of your ass

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 11:48 AM (us2H3)

245 Almost 400 new mines needed to meet future EV battery demand, data finds

I has the sadz.

Why? 400 Mines is the sound of hundreds of thousands of new jobs for children living in Africa!

Green Jobs!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 16, 2023 11:48 AM (L73FT)

246 I disagree. They don't want the infrastructure improved to the point where the energy equivalent of modern gas consumption is replaced with electricity. Listen to their words... it's all "give up your burning stuff", never "hey look at how we are going to make this cheap new hardend reliable electric source." All the talk about is wind and solar boondoggles....you know unicorn farts.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:46 AM (0Qrr3)

That's not how DoD thinks. That's not why they spun off NASA.

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:48 AM (1ais2)

247 Someday we will learn just how big the conspiracy was to take down Trump. Given what we know about these globalist scumbags I have zero doubt a lot of them were involved.

This was not the message they wanted to hear.

https://tinyurl.com/ypttwk8n

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)

248 Member of Scottish Parliament announces “era of unrestrained private car use is well & truly over”

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (Vwz3I)

249 Interesting to go visit Rock Auto and see what parts you can buy for your used Tesla. Spoiler: not much.

Now do your Camry or Accord. Spoiler: you name it.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (DhOHl)

250 219 Maybe. I always got the sense he just enjoyed being a contrarian. Does not have to be an enemy agent.

Agree. Group think is a thing, and that includes this site.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 11:43 AM (eOEVl)

Maybe you had to be on the election thread as it was happening...there wasn't much doubt by the end.

It just probably means we'll get a new paid poster once 2024 comes around...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (exHjb)

251 I thought about seeking employment in the auto industry with Goodyear, but the job sounded too tiring...

Posted by: Muldoon at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (ykeLU)

252 Japanese over 65 have done their best to reduce Japan’s 612-million-dose stockpile of mRNA jabs, with 3rd, 4th, and 5th jab rates of 91%, 82.5%, and 56%, respectively. But unfortunately, Japan has started 2023 by reporting its highest ever daily Covid death tolls. During the booster era starting in early 2022, each wave has been noticeably higher than the last.

The cause of the rise in Covid deaths is *hard to explain.*
==
No. It isn't. First of all, they are shooting you with something that's designed on a spike protein that is over 2 years old. They did try to mix in a little variation, but even that one is over 18 months behind the curve. Even if it did work as a vaccine, there would be zero reason to think that it would be efficacious now - years later. Do they redesign the flu shot every year or not? There are multiple other reasons to not get the shots which I won't mention. You are literally doing nothing to help yourself at this point with boosters. NOTHING. STOP IT. The downside risk is AT BEST unknowable. AT Best. There is a lot of data coming out that there are significant downsides to multiple boosters.

Posted by: I am literally begging you all at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (GK5HK)

253 Lithium and water explode when they come in contact with each other. Putting an EV fire out with water only accelerates the fire. The lithium forms more stable oxides by stealing the oxygen from the water, this leaves behind hydrogen gas....hydrogen gas burn really well

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (qUpnF)

254 CR Talk on NPR had some of the funniest car music, often wondered if groups mad e car songs just for them

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (Japlj)

255
Why? 400 Mines is the sound of hundreds of thousands of new jobs for children living in Africa!

Green Jobs!
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 16, 2023 11:48 AM (L73FT)

Yes! But kids are dumb. Adults better. Imagine the tools and machines we'd need to build too!

Posted by: Thesokorus at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (1ais2)

256 I thought about seeking employment in the auto industry with Goodyear, but the job sounded too tiring...
Posted by: Muldoon

Spare me. LOL

Posted by: Tonypete at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (qoGsy)

257 > 15 years ago morons hated Obama for loaning GM 37 billion to avoid bankruptcy.
_____________

To be honest there were a lot of other reasons to hate that dickhead.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

258 ...hydrogen gas burn really well
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (qUpnF)
++++
Oh the humanity, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)

259 ESG. The giant fund managers (BlackRock, Vanguard, etc.) will direct investment towards your stock (and away from others) based on your ESG scores. This massive 'demand' for your stock is fairly immune to mundane matters such as fundamentals.
Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:45 AM (yZlY6

Do they factor in the capital loss on ESG scores...how in the F does ESG align with fiduciary responsibility of third party funds? Do they offer investors packages that maximize profit to compete with ESG? These Fers always find a way to steal your money.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (0Qrr3)

260 I thought about seeking employment in the auto industry with Goodyear, but the job sounded too tiring...
Posted by: Muldoon

Tread lightly in your endeavors.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (y/a4v)

261 Agree. Group think is a thing, and that includes this site.
Posted by: Archimedes

********

I think I speak for all of us when I say that this statement is not true.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (ykeLU)

262 IIRC, Toyota started out in the sewing machine biz

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (us2H3)

263 >>>I don't think I'll be in the car market for another 10 years.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)

=====

My 13 year old car is at 200k. I'd rather put a new/rebuilt motor in it (assuming I could find one) than buy a new(er) car.

Posted by: Turn Two at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (JfxgE)

264 Interesting to go visit Rock Auto and see what parts you can buy for your used Tesla. Spoiler: not much.

You probably can't upgrade the radio without voiding your warranty.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (nfrXX)

265 Come on, Xiden/MooMoo was not as bad as Paul or Sid or Rainmondo.

Annoying in different ways, let's say

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (0hOvj)

266 ...they spend over 3 minutes on the site to catch up...

Hell. It takes me that long just to find Muldoon's morning limerick.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (anj39)

267 Jack Straw article at American Thinker this morning was sure both parts of Congress heads are in on the election theft

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (Japlj)

268 261 Agree. Group think is a thing, and that includes this site.
Posted by: Archimedes

********

I think I speak for all of us when I say that this statement is not true.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (ykeLU)

I read that as grope think

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (us2H3)

269 248 Member of Scottish Parliament announces “era of unrestrained private car use is well & truly over”
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (Vwz3I)

So.e will be restrained, others not so much. Kneel serf.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (0Qrr3)

270 93 June 22, 2022:

Today, a typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminium, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.

Green + child slavery + NIMBY it is a ignorant, naive, and stupid leftist's dream!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 11:20 AM (u4CEu)

Where did you get this information. Because if I can verify it, I'm going to use it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (U2p+3)

271 240 Joe Biden tells HBCU graduates that he “desegregated restaurants and movie theaters” during the Civil Rights movement.
This is completely FALSE.
. . .
Wasn't he struggling to maintain below average grades in university at the time?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 16, 2023 11:53 AM (eGTCV)

272 260 I thought about seeking employment in the auto industry with Goodyear, but the job sounded too tiring...
Posted by: Muldoon

I think you're overinflating your abilities

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 11:53 AM (us2H3)

273 Maybe. I always got the sense he just enjoyed being a contrarian. Does not have to be an enemy agent.

Agree. Group think is a thing, and that includes this site.
Posted by: Archimedes
==
You just made the list, Pal!

Posted by: Francis at January 16, 2023 11:53 AM (cATo3)

274 The nickel smelting facility in canada has something like a 15 mile dead zone around it where nothing grows. I seem to remember reading that like 15 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:54 AM (zZu0s)

275 You probably can't upgrade the radio without voiding your warranty.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 16, 2023 11:51 AM (nfrXX)

That's because the radio also controls the left rear wheel speed and the trunk release.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 16, 2023 11:54 AM (uAmxi)

276 "and the Toenail Fungus lobby."

Yeah, that fungus ad is everywhere now. Yuk.

I'd complain, but I'm afraid of what would replace "scrubbing toes"...

Posted by: Ju at January 16, 2023 11:54 AM (aTmM/)

277
Thanks Danimal. My brother is a fireman and is going through the same training and updates. He also mentioned the little scooters with lithium batteries that are popular with the metro crowd are a problem. They risk theft if they leave them outside, so they bring them into their apartments. Spontaneous fires are breaking out as a result, and while not as intense due to the battery size they go from ignition to fully engaged quick. GM is going through a bit of a bother with the Volts:
tinyurl.com/mr49h8jx

My last thought on this is what happens when the batteries are junked. Currently can't be recycled and not enough vehicles have hit their batteries end of life state yet. Will make those decades long junk tire fires look like a weenie roast

Posted by: Leon Sphinx at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (UIngH)

278 Maybe. I always got the sense he just enjoyed being a contrarian. Does not have to be an enemy agent.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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minimoo pushed poll results from dubious polls into threads not even discussing poll results. I think kindltot is the most forgiving of minimoo's critics believing him to be a lonely guy living in a blue city.

From the same evidence, I take him to be a paid disruptor troll as years ago I saw similar trolls on firearms discussion boards and all of their activities pointed one way. The fact that he keeps coming back, especially around election time under a new nic indicates something more than a driveby type like rainman or whatever nic that Kurtis is using.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (bDjBG)

279 how in the F does ESG align with fiduciary responsibility of third party funds?

Aiming zillions of dollars at the stock of a company makes it go up in value. Ergo, ipso facto, and maybe even QED, it was an excellent investment for their clients. The underlying business is really of no interest at that point.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (yZlY6)

280 The question is... who is convincing these companies to commit suicide for the sake of delivering cars nobody wants

I want to believe that they've been fooled into thinking the market for EVs is much bigger than it really is, that the future really is EVs, and that the government will back them up and prop them up no matter how bad the sales are, so they are no worse off.

Honestly though, I have no idea. Its not impossible that they are in such a bubble they simply don't know what is really in the minds of their customers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (0hOvj)

281 >>Jack Straw article at American Thinker this morning was sure both parts of Congress heads are in on the election theft

No doubt, Skip. Both sides were in on the Russia hoax as well.

But I think the conspiracy went well beyond our borders as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (ZLI7S)

282 A short message...

Quote Tweet Robert Reich @RBReich · 23h
Moderna is planning to charge $130 for its COVID vaccine, but the vaccine only costs $2.85 to make.

Meanwhile, over the last two years, the company made over $19 billion in profits off the vaccine.

Folks, this is what corporate greed looks like.

Thomas Massie @RepThomasMassie · 16h
Does someone want to tell him?

The billions of dollars of “vaccine” profits he speaks of have been provided by a “single payer” government; facilitated by bureaucratic force and coercion; indemnified by executive order and legislation; and secured with a regulatory monopoly.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (Vwz3I)

283 274 The nickel smelting facility in canada has something like a 15 mile dead zone around it where nothing grows. I seem to remember reading that like 15 years ago.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:54 AM (zZu0s)

Well I guess battery operated cars are right out. Mive into this tenement and ride the subways ...serf.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (0Qrr3)

284 I thought about seeking employment in the auto industry with Goodyear, but the job sounded too tiring...
Posted by: Muldoon

I think you're overinflating your abilities
Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 11:53 AM (us2H3)

I don't know. Muldoon is kind of a big wheel around here.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (anj39)

285 I really hope that ACE posts on Sam Harris' comments today.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (0hOvj)

286 Agree. Group think is a thing, and that includes this site.
Posted by: Archimedes

Oddly, not MoMes. Very little political talk, a whole lot of talk where you wish everyone there was your neighbor.

Lots of career and experience diversity

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (L73FT)

287 241 234 If the GOPe knew how to play politics they'd start banning EVs in states where they have a majority.
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Most people don't GAS battery cars, they are a novelty for the rich and sucker bait for kids and fools (not because they are a negative but because kids and fools can't afford them). That's where the public is.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (d/n5K)

288 Been harping on this for some time, here we go once more.

Until and unless there is an alternative power source that eclipses ALL of the advantages of an ICE, this is what will move us around.

I honestly don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend about that fact. To date, the ICE remains the most viable method. It has been well documented.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (KATBx)

289 CR Talk on NPR had some of the funniest car music, often wondered if groups mad e car songs just for them

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:50 AM (Japlj)

https://tinyurl.com/3v4nf3z7

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (AwYPR)

290 I strip away the old debris that hides a shining car
A brilliant red barchetta, from a better, vanished time
We fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez at January 16, 2023 11:57 AM (EsEFH)

291 I don't know. Muldoon is kind of a big wheel around here.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (anj39)

Don't tread on me

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 16, 2023 11:57 AM (OgrpQ)

292 Scotland has gone totally Leftist bonkers

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2023 11:58 AM (Japlj)

293 The billions of dollars of “vaccine” profits he speaks of have been provided by a “single payer” government; facilitated by bureaucratic force and coercion; indemnified by executive order and legislation; and secured with a regulatory monopoly.
===
And the LAWMAKERS get to front run by insider trading. So the bribe, is massive and legal. DO NOT TAKE ANOTHER SHOT.

Posted by: Francis at January 16, 2023 11:58 AM (u8TT4)

294 People buy EV's to fill the vacant hole in their boring, humdrum lives and to give it meaning.

Hookers and blow are way better than EVs for this purpose.

Posted by: Cheaper and less combustible too at January 16, 2023 11:58 AM (s2na+)

295 >>>I want to believe that they've been fooled into thinking the market for EVs is much bigger than it really is, that the future really is EVs, and that the government will back them up and prop them up no matter how bad the sales are, so they are no worse off.

Honestly though, I have no idea. Its not impossible that they are in such a bubble they simply don't know what is really in the minds of their customers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (0hOvj)
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The heavy hand of the govt is a bigger player than we know.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 11:58 AM (d/n5K)

296 I know math isn't allowed but how about physics?

https://bit.ly/3iFwn9H

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 11:59 AM (FVME7)

297 This was not the message they wanted to hear.

https://tinyurl.com/ypttwk8n
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)

I miss that man. God bless and protect him, and especially grant him wisdom.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2023 11:59 AM (Emce2)

298 From the same evidence, I take him to be a paid disruptor troll as years ago I saw similar trolls on firearms discussion boards and all of their activities pointed one way. The fact that he keeps coming back, especially around election time under a new nic indicates something more than a driveby type like rainman or whatever nic that Kurtis is using.
Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 11:55 AM (bDjBG)

I'd take it more: he did not have a 'thing'. Almost all of us have something that drives our passions and also leads us to comment here. Mine is history, anti-communism/technocracy, and boobs (not in that order.) Fen's for example are abortion, God and ministering to us backwards louts. MAE likes guns, boobs, and on and on.

The closest I could figure for him was maybe financial? But he was a lot like BSG in that he seemed to not have a real reason to hang out here other than to get people pissed at him. Some people are like that, but considering this is the internet and you have to punch the addy. And I usually figure that people who comment have a driving reason to do so.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 12:00 PM (zZu0s)

299 291 I don't know. Muldoon is kind of a big wheel around here.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2023 11:56 AM (anj39)

flatterer

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 12:00 PM (us2H3)

300 There was a fantastic thread posted on Twitter yesterday by a guy who claimed to have spend 40 years in the mining industry. Regardless, he was clearly very knowledgable about the process.

The facts he was posting both amount the enormous increase in the amount of mined materials that would be necessary to replace ICE vehicles with EVs along with the resulting environmental damage caused by the mining was staggering and basically proved it is impossible for the world to completely move to EVs.

I assume that thread will make its wy here at some point. It is really good information.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

301 The Ace of Spades HQ audience is smart and engaged. You'll have ample time to get noticed by these readers because ***they spend over 3 minutes on the site ***to catch up on the latest political commentary. 80% of the traffic is direct so they are dedicated and come back day-in and day-out. Ace of Spades' readers respond to political campaigns and causes, technology developments, and lively discussions.

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And hit F5 like a monkey on crack.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at January 16, 2023 12:00 PM (uPgE/)

302 3) Once fire happens it can burn up to 6,000 degrees and flames can shoot out up to 20 feet per side of the vehicle.

shit I will need to stop carrying a can of vienna sausages and a coathanger and get me an 11 ft pole.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 16, 2023 12:01 PM (BRHaw)

303 >>> Not. Quite. Yet.

https://tinyurl.com/mpzhuepc
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Whoever cropped that ought to be shot.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:01 PM (d/n5K)

304 EVs can't replace ICE vehicles yet. What to do?

1) pretend they can because fuck you.
2) pretend they are utterly wothless and you're a traitorous pervert for even accepting their existence because fuck you.
3) Nothing.

I'm at #3, myself.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 16, 2023 12:01 PM (uAmxi)

305 BTW, if you care to dig up when the original moomoo got banned, it was after an election where he revealed an ugly person inside and started going off and insulting cobs and other commenters.

Can't remember whether it was 2016 or 2018 but he always seemed very fake in the way that he tried to act like he thought an upper class person to be admired would be--rich, owned multiple Teslas, etc.

Others are entitled to your opinion but I always found people that come back repeatedly after being banned several times are in fact trolls. The non trolls fess up to teh cobs and are reinstated under their own nic. The disturbed or paid trolls simply change their nic and use vpns to try to prevent ip based banning.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 12:01 PM (bDjBG)

306 Fen's for example are abortion, God and ministering to us backwards louts.

Untrue! I'm very forward in my loutishness.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2023 12:02 PM (eOEVl)

307 Finally got around to watching Hail Caesar.

Hollywood commies accurate AFAIK.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 16, 2023 12:02 PM (44ww/)

308 My last thought on this is what happens when the batteries are junked. Currently can't be recycled and not enough vehicles have hit their batteries end of life state yet. Will make those decades long junk tire fires look like a weenie roast

Bury the batteries in a central location, extract the heat thrown off and gratuitously call it "geo-thermal", ESG approved "renewable".

And the carcinogenic fumes aren't CO2 or O3 so won't get classified as Climate Change or Ozone gasses

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 16, 2023 12:02 PM (L73FT)

309 1.) The prices of all used cars is plummeting right now. This is hardly a phenomenon unique to Tesla, or to EVs.

2.) The reality behind EVs is that with the current technology, we likely couldn't meet the demand for raw materials required to make it work, so i honestly think that the reservations that these auto makers have re: switching over everything is real.

3.) EVs still aren't a bad idea, or a dead technology. I think that they have, and will continue to have, their application. However, there's really likely no way we could conceivably switch everything over to EV without a discovery of massive quantities of raw materials. Especially a discovery of those materials is a geopolitically stable region of the globe.

4.) The alternative isn't clear. Assuming we continue to desire to get off of fossil fuels, we're still sort of stuck in a pretty rough spot for replacing them. I wonder if maybe the solution might come in the form of decentralized nuclear generation some day if we ever get past our irrational fear of nuke energy.

Posted by: Goober at January 16, 2023 12:02 PM (Hgvgt)

310 I know a guy that will build 50 or so C-stores this year.

No one
ZERO
Has any type of conduit or infrastructure to support fast chargers.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 16, 2023 12:02 PM (BRHaw)

311 I've been primarily a GM buyer for decades, partly because of the family discount which eliminates all that nonsense of a typical car buying transaction. But we're probably buying a Toyota for the next one because GM does not really want me as a customer.

As to why the auto mfgs. are running hell-for-leather down the EV path, I think it's because they've been whipsawed by the government for so many years that any backbone has been beat out of them.

Oh, and I like trains too.

Posted by: George V at January 16, 2023 12:03 PM (ugbqN)

312 Most smooth brained individuals, like Paul, do not understand how a combustion engine works let alone how an EV works, but they know all the facts on things.

Remember, righty tighty, lefty loosey.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2023 12:03 PM (R/m4+)

313 Yeah... green energy. Put solar on the house last summer here in Central Calif. Once up and running it did help with the summer Air Con bills... now? Gas heating in Calif increased in price 300% over last year.... and due to the series of winter storms, my Solar is only producing about 1/10th of what it did in summer.

$700 Gas and Electric bill last month, after dropping $45K worth of solar on the house.

Green energy my ass.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2023 12:04 PM (oHd/0)

314 EVs sound like a really good idea until you pop the hood and look underneath, just like wind mills. The frame isn't so bad, it's what's inside that frame. It takes an ungodly amount of rare earth metals to make those batteries, and the U.S. is just too sanctimonious to dig those mines. So we off shore procurement to China which a) doesn't give a damn about greenie scrap except the green of U.S. currency, and b) has the vast majority of those rare earth metals, allowing it to set the price at whatever it chooses. Say Xi's breakfast doesn't agree with him, the price goes up 25%. And, at best, those batteries only last about ten years if they don't blow up first. Replacing those batteries costs just about as much as the original cost of the car. They're like computer printers: it's cheaper to buy a new printer than to replace the print cartridges. And no one has yet to explain where the electricity is coming from to charge up the EVs. A couple weeks back, here in Nebraska, the temperature, including wind chill was in the minus 30s. Come summer, we have stretches of 90 plus ungodly humidity. I'm not sacrificing my AC or heater so some holier-than-thou greenie can virtue signal.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at January 16, 2023 12:05 PM (z7W9M)

315 I drive a 3 ton, 500 hp, V8 powered, lifted Corvette and love every second of driving it.

You will have to pry my dead cold hands off of the steering wheel.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2023 12:06 PM (up/3i)

316 Posted by: Goober at January 16, 2023 12:02 PM (Hgvgt)

Simpler. In a Free Society, and a Free Economy, the Government should not be using TAX DOLLARS to choose what people will buy, or won't buy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2023 12:06 PM (oHd/0)

317 Where did you get this information. Because if I can verify it, I'm going to use it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (U2p+3)
===
https://tinyurl.com/xf8vuw4t

ask and you receive

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 12:06 PM (u4CEu)

318 We've spent plenty of time here talking about the executives at Ford and General Motors, who are willing to destroy their companies in a race to go all-electric, despite a lack of commensurate EV demand from their customer bases.

Are all auto companies run by hapless idealogues like those at GM and Ford?

Don't forget Stellantis (FCA/Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram).

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 16, 2023 12:07 PM (Do5/p)

319 Motorweek had a show on the other day with the Lucid Air EV's

Starting price is 87,400

Top of the line is 250,000

Reserve yours today!

Posted by: Bruce at January 16, 2023 12:07 PM (vd8XM)

320 The new Miss universe is a scrawny Philippine-American chosen for diversity. Miss Venezuela was for more beautiful and hot by far, as is usual in these contests. But in today's world, winners are now chosen for who they are, not qualifications.

Posted by: Ripley at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (cUYo/)

321 The closest I could figure for him was maybe financial? But he was a lot like BSG in that he seemed to not have a real reason to hang out here other than to get people pissed at him. Some people are like that, but considering this is the internet and you have to punch the addy. And I usually figure that people who comment have a driving reason to do so.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Confession, I used to herd commenters by being a mod on a specialist blog. I have no interest in doing so again as the honest folks fess up and quit being a dick, the dishonest ones change their nic/id and start up all over again. And essentially the mod on duty has to play whack a mole with the white supremacists, the anti semitic whackos, the religious/humanist bigots, down to the paid shills, disruptors, emotionally disturbed, and the look at me trolls. I don't envy them their jobs.

Saw it back in the day of AMD v. Intel with paid disruptors along with investment shills, and so on on tech blogs, saw it on firearm blogs, and even on stock blogs all the way back to Usenet discussion groups.

Posted by: whig at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (bDjBG)

322 Motorweek had a show on the other day with the Lucid Air EV's

Starting price is 87,400

Top of the line is 250,000

Reserve yours today!

I'm beginning to think "Lucid" is a misnomer.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (Bd6X8)

323 The way Rivian came out of the gate, and its huge pivot towards being an Anti-Musk car, just screamed of ponzi scheme.

Too many start ups are just an idea with no ability to create or implement, so their hope is that very quickly they get a huge investment, and then they can work on creating the product after they get the money.

I'm guessing Mercedes realized that these people have no clue what they were doing, and were just hoping to have others actually create their car.

Environmentalist need to realize their going to be the reason there's no real invasion towards actual clean energy cars, as they've been blindly lead to going all EV, by people hugely invested in EV, despite the cars being worse than gas/ diesel

Posted by: Rbastid at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (6jH1W)

324 Not. Quite. Yet.

https://tinyurl.com/mpzhuepc
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Whoever cropped that ought to be shot.

Posted by: Braenyard,
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Dude. She cropped it herself. Because she's built like an ICEBERG.

Posted by: Have you never been on the internet before? at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (0epef)

325 283 274 The nickel smelting facility in canada has something like a 15 mile dead zone around it where nothing grows. I seem to remember reading that like 15 years ago.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 11:54 AM (zZu0s)

The area around Sudbury, Ontario, looked like the moon at one time. It was truly a dead zone but it seems to me it has been improved. Could be wrong though I haven't been there for many years.
And whatever happened to acid rain?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (eGTCV)

326 People buy EV's to fill the vacant hole in their boring, humdrum lives and to give it meaning.

Its a lot of reasons but as I understand it, these are the main ones:

1) Fixation on Star Trek NG style technology, a nearly religious fixation on high tech
2) Virtue signaling: I am a good person, look at my conspicuously shaped EV that shows my holiness
3) Ignorance: they buy into all the hype without understanding what they are getting into
4) A genuine desire to "save the planet" by buying something they believe that is more ecologically superior.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 12:09 PM (0hOvj)

327 Also, all the materials necessary for EV's are already in high demand for other things. The prices for these materials are already in high demand, add EV's and those prices will only go up.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 12:09 PM (Y5qcH)

328 Most smooth brained individuals, like Paul, do not understand how a combustion engine works

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Gas goes in one end and global warming comes out the other.

Duhhhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 12:10 PM (FVME7)

329 I love how the owner of the Miss Universe pageant is a trans women (aka a "male") and she gets a speech saying how the pageant is now run by "women", only she pronounced it as "we men".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 16, 2023 12:10 PM (jTmQV)

330 Ugh on 'green' energy. A former boss had an old house with a lovely large lot full of big old trees. He and/or his wife decided they needed to embrace solar and many of those trees were cut down because they would shade the solar panels.

Boss should have known better, he had the STEM background to be capable of doing math to find out that the trees were removing more CO2 than the solar panel electricity was going to prevent. Maybe he hated raking leaves or feared an old tree would fall on the house. Or it was just make the wifey happy to score more sex and BJs, I don't know.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (83y/e)

331 Dude. She cropped it herself. Because she's built like an ICEBERG.
Posted by: Have you never been

An hourglass figure, with all the sand at the bottom?

Posted by: Bruce at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (vd8XM)

332 The way Rivian came out of the gate, and its huge pivot towards being an Anti-Musk car, just screamed of ponzi scheme.
==
it was all fun and games until Richard Hammond drive one off a cliff in Season two of Grand Tour and it burned for days and that message went around the world .

Posted by: Was it an accident or petrolhead revenge at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (pnln6)

333 Dude. She cropped it herself. Because she's built like an ICEBERG.
Posted by: Have you never been on the internet before? at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (0epef)

Heh. Quite possible. I'll take the view.

'Built like the Queen Mary!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (zZu0s)

334 Gas goes in one end and global warming comes out the other.

Duhhhhhhhhhhh.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 16, 2023 12:10 PM (FVME7)

Lol!

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (Emce2)

335 I owned a 1995 Ford F150 XL with the 300 six cylinder that got about 10 mpg using regular. Plain old truck, no frills.
Bought a 2004 F150 FX4 with the odious 5.4 lt that got about 14 mpg if you drove it below 65 mph (regular gas). Great truck on most issues though.
Now I have a 2014 F150 XLT with 4wd and a 5.0 lt V8. It typically breaks 17 mpg if I run it at 75 mph, better if I go slower. Say 19+ mpg at 65 mph on regular gas.
Get rid of ethanol and any of those trucks would improve by 15% on the mpg.

Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (DB6tu)

336 Dude. She cropped it herself. Because she's built like an ICEBERG.
Posted by: Have you never been

An hourglass figure, with all the sand at the bottom?
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What percentage of an iceberg's mass is below the waterline? Same percentage of her mass if below the crop line.

Posted by: Was it an accident or petrolhead revenge at January 16, 2023 12:12 PM (pnln6)

337 EVs will be mandatory in my state in a few years.
They are expensive to maintain, you can't do it at home and after about a decade they require replacement to a $10,000+ battery (if the battery is still being made).

No one will want a 10 year old used EV. Used gas-powered vehicles that can be cheaply maintained will be in high demand, their price will skyrocket putting them out of the reach or the young & the poor.

Posted by: Fifty Three Years an Imbecile at January 16, 2023 12:12 PM (BJKQV)

338 Yes, you can call it "transitory" if an auto company is transitioning from a high-volume producer of vehicles people want to purchase, into a boutique producer of niche cars. You can also call it corporate suicide.

Stellantis (FCA/Chrysler/Jeep/Ram/Dodge) is doing the same. It is official corporate direction, announced to employees last year and in all the training.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 16, 2023 12:12 PM (Do5/p)

339 But he was a lot like BSG in that he seemed to not have a real reason to hang out here other than to get people pissed at him.

He literally said several times that he gets bored and starts poking people in order to get into a fight or stir up trouble. That's what he does for fun. I'm not exaggerating he literally said that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 12:12 PM (0hOvj)

340 it was all fun and games until Richard Hammond drive one off a cliff in Season two of Grand Tour and it burned for days and that message went around the world .
Posted by: Was it an accident or petrolhead revenge at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (pnln6)

That was a Rimac. Those cost $2 million+.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 16, 2023 12:13 PM (Y5qcH)

341 329 I love how the owner of the Miss Universe pageant is a trans women (aka a "male") and she gets a speech saying how the pageant is now run by "women", only she pronounced it as "we men".
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 16, 2023 12:10 PM (jTmQV)

I saw Voxis' stream of the Game awards from a couple months ago. Amidst all the God of War awards and the cring-ey musical numbers and the weird kid talking about Bill Clinton as his personal rabbi, there was a dude in a dress and a handbag who went up to accept one of the GoW awards. For accessibility (which is not about people with disabilities being able to play the game.)

*sigh*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 12:13 PM (zZu0s)

342 The new Miss universe is a scrawny Philippine-American chosen for diversity. Miss Venezuela was for more beautiful and hot by far, as is usual in these contests. But in today's world, winners are now chosen for who they are, not qualifications.

Posted by: Ripley at January 16, 2023 12:08 PM (cUYo/)

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Those transphobes didn't select a tranny with a big schlong? During PRIDE Month???

So disappointing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 16, 2023 12:14 PM (BRmwW)

343 @325 And whatever happened to acid rain?

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Happened back in the '80s. Turned out to be pretty much a negligible thing even in those instances and places where it occurred.

Posted by: junior at January 16, 2023 12:14 PM (PTw5h)

344 It's interesting that there's not much effort into range vs. all the cool styling and electronics going into EV development.

An electric vehicle with lighted accents? Huge glass displays and so on. Like range is a second thought after making the interior look as much like Star Trek or whatever.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 16, 2023 12:14 PM (Q4IgG)

345 He literally said several times that he gets bored and starts poking people in order to get into a fight or stir up trouble. That's what he does for fun. I'm not exaggerating he literally said that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 12:12 PM (0hOvj)

*whistles innocently while hiding the TJM and Insom jokes lined up*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 12:14 PM (zZu0s)

346 Posted this in the Morning Report, but it is more applicable here:

ThreadReaderApp Link: https://bit.ly/3iHGdI5

As a miner for 40 years I have worked in various mines around the world. Gold, platinum, copper, coal, lead, zinc, oil and salt. I'm going to tell you something, and here it is. We will destroy the earth in the name of "Green Energy". Follow along and I will explain.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 16, 2023 12:15 PM (Do5/p)

347 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger

Thank you. There are 3-5 self righteous greenies in my office currently shopping for EVs. And they wear their progressive mantle of self righteousness like a superhero cape.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 16, 2023 12:15 PM (U2p+3)

348 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 16, 2023 12:16 PM (zZu0s)

349 I owned a 1995 Ford F150 XL with the 300 six cylinder that got about 10 mpg using regular. Plain old truck, no frills.
Bought a 2004 F150 FX4 with the odious 5.4 lt that got about 14 mpg if you drove it below 65 mph (regular gas). Great truck on most issues though.
Now I have a 2014 F150 XLT with 4wd and a 5.0 lt V8. It typically breaks 17 mpg if I run it at 75 mph, better if I go slower. Say 19+ mpg at 65 mph on regular gas.
Get rid of ethanol and any of those trucks would improve by 15% on the mpg.

Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2023 12:11 PM (DB6tu)
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My 1968 Cadillac DeVille convertible 472 V8 gets 15 MPG around town, unless I put my foot into it (spoiler I put my foot into it) and 21 MPG on the highway at 70.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 12:16 PM (u4CEu)

350 An electric vehicle with lighted accents? Huge glass displays and so on. Like range is a second thought after making the interior look as much like Star Trek or whatever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

And 0 to 60 times.
Which is important to me as I drive a half mile with 20 other cars to stop at another improperly timed traffic light.

Posted by: Bruce at January 16, 2023 12:16 PM (vd8XM)

351 @337

>>No one will want a 10 year old used EV.

EV's are disposable just like the FitBit watch I returned to day.

Brought it back to the store, women took the essentially brand new watch out of the package, made sure that it matched up to the receipt, threw all of the packaging away, threw the watch into a bin gave me back a return receipt.

I asked her why she threw away all of the packaging, she said the watch is not going to be resold and that it's going straight to the equivalent of the car crusher for electronic gizmos.

That's the future of EV's.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2023 12:16 PM (up/3i)

352
Thank you. There are 3-5 self righteous greenies in my office currently shopping for EVs. And they wear their progressive mantle of self righteousness like a superhero cape.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 16, 2023 12:15 PM (U2p+3)

Has some nice pictures of child slave labor that I'm sure greenie leftists would drool over.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 12:16 PM (u4CEu)

353 My wife bought me a new 2004 F-150 for my b'day

biggest POS I have ever owned

rotted out faster than unwatered melon

Posted by: REDACTED at January 16, 2023 12:17 PM (us2H3)

354 Should CARMAX really be advertising a "Fire Sale" for Teslas?

Posted by: Fox2! at January 16, 2023 12:19 PM (qyH+l)

355 ==
Dude. She cropped it herself. Because she's built like an ICEBERG.
Posted by: Have you never been on the internet before
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Cynic

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:20 PM (d/n5K)

356 337. Agree but the young, poor & industrious folks are/will be refining car jacking, theft & parts for sale skills.

Posted by: Lola at January 16, 2023 12:21 PM (p39Z2)

357 And no one has yet to explain where the electricity is coming from to charge up the EVs. A couple weeks back, here in Nebraska, the temperature, including wind chill was in the minus 30s. Come summer, we have stretches of 90 plus ungodly humidity. I'm not sacrificing my AC or heater so some holier-than-thou greenie can virtue signal.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin

I live in Ohio, and most of our electricity used to come from coal-fired electric generating plants. Now is seems to come from natural gas turbine generators (at least the majority).
So EV's are (generally) charged here with electricity generated by burning methane to drive a turbine that drives a generator.
Why not eliminate the "middle man" (and transmission losses, etc) and build cars that are designed to run on compressed natural gas? An ICE motor with the natural gas capacity designed from the beginning. And...you could fill it from home, by having a compressor feed off you natural gas line, to fill the car (pressurizing methane). Seems safer than high energy density batteries that become chemically unstable due to the high chemical potential created by charging with electricity.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 16, 2023 12:22 PM (vcOmj)

358 It's gonna be great when on of these fires happens when the vehicle is traveling through a national forest...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2023 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

Or stopped in traffic in the Lincoln or Holland tunnels. Fun for all!!

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at January 16, 2023 12:22 PM (Zvtjl)

359 Sorry, but VW’s sales dive has nothing to do with the EV announcement. Hard to sell cars you don’t have and that was the problem last year for VW as well as everyone else. Then there is the whole,issue of interest rates which killed the second half of the year when they did have cars. EV announcements aren’t keeping people from buying. Prices are.

Posted by: Trippy at January 16, 2023 12:22 PM (kZbxe)

360 An electric vehicle with lighted accents? Huge glass displays and so on. Like range is a second thought after making the interior look as much like Star Trek or whatever.

Exactly. These are designed and desired by people who think Star Trek the Next Generation really is the future and super cool looking

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 12:23 PM (0hOvj)

361 >>> they believe that is more ecologically superior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 16, 2023 12:09 PM (0hOvj)
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The number one reason is, Toy. There may be some save the planeteers mixed in as they are number three.
Number two being the ever look at me clowns.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:23 PM (d/n5K)

362 Great post, Buck, as usual.

My standard response remains the same.

The underlying premise for all of this idiocy (no matter how even *internally* illogical and indefensible it is, as in the mining requirement for batteries) should not and must not be accepted.

The outlandish hypothesis that human activity is or can affect global "climate", and the accompanying baseless assumption that this is a problem - much less a "crisis" or "emergency" - need to be challenged and demolished. Discussions of the obvious infeasibility (in all respects) of the many wasteful and damaging "responses" to this "crisis", with a public as incapable of critical thinking as today's, run the great risk of furthering, not stopping, this nonsense.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 16, 2023 12:24 PM (OTzUX)

363 >>> build cars that are designed to run on compressed natural gas?
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Not enough energy in natural gas.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:27 PM (d/n5K)

364 317 Where did you get this information. Because if I can verify it, I'm going to use it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 16, 2023 11:52 AM (U2p+3)
===
https://tinyurl.com/xf8vuw4t

ask and you receive
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 16, 2023 12:06 PM (u4CEu)

along the same lines:

https://tinyurl.com/3vvpdejt (also a Powerline article)

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 16, 2023 12:27 PM (CCSxw)

365 Not. Quite. Yet.

https://tinyurl.com/mpzhuepc
Posted by: Aetius451AD

She needs to watch her sun exposure. It's no fun when all of her freckles join together.

It's called sun poisoning,

Posted by: Fox2! at January 16, 2023 12:28 PM (qyH+l)

366 Not enough energy in natural gas.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:27 PM (d/n5K)

City buses and trash haulers have been running on NG for ages now.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 16, 2023 12:29 PM (uAmxi)

367 The underlying premise for all of this idiocy (no matter how even *internally* illogical and indefensible it is, as in the mining requirement for batteries) should not and must not be accepted.
Posted by: rhomboid
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It's all being manipulated by the govt and we have promoted the stupidest and most corrupt to positions of high authority.

Until we start electing intelligent people of good character we are fucked.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:31 PM (d/n5K)

368 Congratulations, Buck, the whole thread stayed on topic.
It may be a first.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:34 PM (d/n5K)

369 Busses and trucks are big enough to handle the weight of the container necessary to power the vehicle.
However the reason you don't see them on over the road tractors is the energy factor. No range.

They must gas up those city trucks every evening.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 16, 2023 12:36 PM (d/n5K)

370 industry stakeholders, including government officials

There's a yuge part of the problem, right there: gov't officials should NEVER be "industry stakeholders". Not EVER. Never, never, NEVER.

Posted by: GWB at January 16, 2023 12:39 PM (h1QTY)

371 I live in a South Louisiana town of about 7k. My Graduating class, Catholic high school, was ~50. Guy graduated a year ahead of me, who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, currently works for father's Ford dealership. ONly dealership in town, which isn't doing well in this economy, and he owns the town's only F150 Lightning, the decried electric one, not the cool sport truck of the past. I don't see the local FD shelling out $35k just to put his truck out. Given how small the town is i'm pretty sure letting it burn to a total loss would result in some stink eye at the local bar.

Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at January 16, 2023 12:40 PM (HijYc)

372 Puncturing EV battery compartments is a very, very risky idea. The best solution at the moment is let them burn.

In Europe they are starting to use a strategy of deploying a dumpster that has doors where they can push the burning vehicle into the dumpster and haul it away to a spot where they can let it burn.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 11:07 AM (ZLI7S)

Late to the thread, but my prescription for EV fires: First rescue the occupants, especially the children, where present. Second, dump sand on it, until the whole car is smothered in sand. Let it sit for a week, then carefully remove sand.

Nice tune, Buck!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 16, 2023 12:40 PM (tkR6S)

373 Sorry I couldn't respond to comments until now, but there is an abundance of VWs on dealer lots. I looked at dealer inventories in Dallas and Houston, and you will have no problem finding plenty of Volkswagen SUVs sitting on the lot and needing to be sold (with plenty more showing as in transit.) Then I looked at Toyota and Honda dealers and there is very little on dealer lots. Almost all Toyota and Honda SUV "inventory" is in transit. VW is being massively rejected by consumers. It may not be related to the EV obsession at VW, but consumers are aggressively rejecting VW in favor of competitors. Meanwhile VW executives are hostile to the core product that consumers desire.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 16, 2023 01:00 PM (d9Cw3)

374 CO2 can't even cause a significant rise in temps. A doubling of CO2 from 400 ppm to 800 ppm would only decrease radiated thermal energy by about 3 W/square meter (~1%). That's less than 1 degree C of warming.

This doubling will take about 170 years at the current rate.

CO2 is in saturation except at high altitude. Most CO2 emitted has no effect on temps.

Posted by: Don at January 16, 2023 01:07 PM (Q7knO)

375 I am still comprehending how fast these cars have been allowed to market without further safety testing, etc.

No I'm not, EV's are supposed to serve mother Gaia better while lining the pockets of lobbyists.

Posted by: Danimal28 at January 16, 2023 01:38 PM (ryUqI)

376 VW is being massively rejected by consumers. It may not be related to the EV obsession at VW, but consumers are aggressively rejecting VW in favor of competitors. Meanwhile VW executives are hostile to the core product that consumers desire. Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 16, 2023 01:00 PM (d9Cw3)

It's reasonable to be suspicious that there may be problems in the future with spare parts, servicing, and resale, and in a world with lots of alternatives, it's easy to choose an alternative.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 16, 2023 01:48 PM (7B5FA)

377 The facts he was posting both amount the enormous increase in the amount of mined materials that would be necessary to replace ICE vehicles with EVs along with the resulting environmental damage caused by the mining was staggering and basically proved it is impossible for the world to completely move to EVs. I assume that thread will make its wy here at some point. It is really good information. Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2023 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

@JackStraw, at present rates the tipping point is 2028, where demand for lithium absolutely exceeds projected available supply. There will almost certainly be bottlenecks in the supply chain that crop up before then. But we won't have to worry about it, because the economic crash that makes all this stuff irrelevant is much sooner in our future.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 16, 2023 01:55 PM (7B5FA)

378 OP really really hates EV's and doesn't care what twisted quasi facts he has to use to convince you he is right and saving the world from.. something. Is that you Greta?

Posted by: Sixiron at January 16, 2023 02:01 PM (c4Wfm)

379 Now imagine an EV with autonomous AI driver and with a hackable internet connection...

Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2023 02:04 PM (rj6Yv)

380 Great post. The Lithium section is priceless

Posted by: artisanal ette at January 16, 2023 02:27 PM (9qHsE)

381 Following Formula 1 racing, which uses ICE/electric hybrids, there are times when the car is barricaded so that no one touches it when the body could be energized. I recall one of the drivers in 2022 talking about being instructed to jump clear of the car if he had to get out after an accident.

Posted by: Advo at January 16, 2023 02:33 PM (VHN21)

382 Once again, I have an opposite take on the news.

Electric cars (BEVs) burn much less often than gasoline cars (but it's worse when they do burn). BEVs are still, overall much safer.

Toyota is not brave: they are trying to fight BEVs rather than building some. The more the market moves to BEVs, the more trouble for Toyota. They may be out of business within a decade.

Tesla jacked their prices way up when demand far exceeded what they could produce. Demand is coming down, their production is up, and the so-called "Inflation Reduction Act" ("IRA") strongly incentivizes selling a car for $55,000 or less. So Tesla dropped their prices to hit that target. They did it overnight, not slowly, which is having a shock effect on the market. They cut Model Y prices by $13,000 and the IRA gives $7,500 so net price cut was $20,500. Not surprising a used Model Y price had to go down.

You don't need to tell me that Tesla stock is way down. I noticed. Tesla is going to be the biggest company in the world, making more money than anyone else, but Wall Street is being dumb and/or short sellers are playing games.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 16, 2023 02:48 PM (57l0O)

383 Both Honda and Nissan were off more than 20% Y-O-Y 21/22. Much as I dislike this EV fashion-show crap, your post-hoc/propter-hoc on VW sales is not convincing.

And the only reason that GM and Ford sales were off only slightly is that both of them have pickup trucks and were able to manufacture and deliver them. VW does not have them. Note well: GM's Little Old Lady Personnel Manager CEO is almost as committed to EV as is VW.

Posted by: dad29 at January 16, 2023 02:50 PM (mzJmr)

384 As for VW, they just saw the Model Y become the most popular car in Europe, displacing the VW Golf (which has been the most popular car for decades).

https://bit.ly/3CRMGqK

Increasingly consumers are buying more electric cars and fewer gas or diesel cars. If you plot market share percentages as a graph, the S-curve shape appears. This graph of sales in Germany extrapolates a curve and it looks like the crossover point (where 50% of all cars are electric) will happen around 2025.

https://twitter.com/Nitzao/status/1612311525426864128

So make a mental note and around 2025 decide whether electric cars were just a fad, or not.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 16, 2023 02:53 PM (57l0O)

385 #383 @dad29:

> GM's Little Old Lady Personnel Manager CEO is almost as committed to EV as is VW.

More committed. VW used to have a CEO (Herbert Diess) who was trying to drag VW into committing more thoroughly to EVs. VW as a company didn't want to hear it and got rid of him.

Mary Barra has claimed that by 2025, GM will be selling more EVs than Tesla. That would be an amazing trick. Tesla sold over 1.3 million EVs in 2022, while GM sold 39 thousand. So Tesla sold over 33 times as many. If GM wants to beat Tesla, it wouldn't be enough to produce 33 times as many EVs in two years... they would need to increase production something like 50 times in two years. Yeah, good luck with that.

I don't think Mary Barra believes her own BS. I think she knew she was lying when she made her comments. If not, then she herself needs to be committed.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 16, 2023 02:58 PM (57l0O)

386 Something I forgot to add: When the battery cells are on fire they emit oxygen for a while which helps raise the temp of the fire emitted. There was discussion in my class about certain blankets that may or may not work to suffocate. Considering temps of 6000F I am unaware of something economically available to help suffocate an EV fire whether it be a blanket or steel box(steel melts at 2500F.

Posted by: Danimal28 at January 16, 2023 04:02 PM (ryUqI)

387 I think Mary Berra was the worst thing that happened to GM....they need NEW car guys that understand the market like Zuntov, Harley Earl and even Delorean did. Berra is the car equivalent of resident Brandon.

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