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Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 1/7/2023 [TheJamesMadison]
A Quick Shoutout
To my brother-in-law whom I just discovered, over Christmas, to be a reader of the HQ and me in particular, without him knowing who I am. Hello, brother to Dolley!
Fifty Shades
A common topic of conversation I see is, "What movie would you never watch?" I like to imagine myself open to anything that comes along, but the one exception I always managed to find myself putting forward was the Fifty Shades of Grey movies. Based on the novels by E.L. James, they started as fan-fiction for the Twilight books that put the two main characters from that series into more explicit BDSM situations. Well, the woman got a book contract, published three novels, and Hollywood ate up the idea of cashing in on a small zeitgeist to make some movie with Michael De Luca pushing out three relatively cheap adaptations in quick order starring Jamie Dornan and Dakota Johnson.
These movies were obviously not meant for me, but it annoyed me that I refused to watch them, to give them even a chance. Well, I found myself alone in a hotel room for a few days on a business trip, and I decided that it was the perfect time to try all three.
Let me say this: it was not the perfect time. There is no perfect time. The Fifty Shades movies might be the worst things called movies I've ever seen, and the idea of writing anything about them seemed to vanish from my head. They were too trashy, unredeemable, and just outright bad to write about at all. I was explaining this predicament to my mother (who was flabbergasted that I would even try this experiment to begin with), and I said the key phrase to her, "fantasy fulfillment." Suddenly, I remembered another movie I'd rewatched recently, and I realized that I had a comparison that provided me some meat to actually write about. So, instead of focusing only in a trilogy of awful trash, I was going to compare Fifty Shades to, of all things, City Slickers.
Fantasy Fulfillment
Fantasy fulfillment has been a regular part of storytelling since storytelling began. The hunter who could get any animal was always the hunter we wanted to be. The secret agent James Bond, led the dangerous, sexy life we all secretly wanted on some level. The issue in terms of drama is that while fantasy fulfillment isn't invalid as a dramatic starting point there also needs to be some kind of dramatic structure and stakes around that fantasy for it to be compelling.
The chief of many problems the Fifty Shades films have is that they are dramatically inert. There is the facade of dramatics in the forms of imposing music and longing looks, but the actual conflict is missing. The basic premise is that Anastasia Steele is a mousy college student who takes the college newspaper interview scheduled by her roommate to speak with the twenty-seven year old billionaire Christian Grey. Her mousiness is apparently the most compelling thing Gray has ever seen, and he decides that he must possess her, that she should be his newest sexual conquest, a process that involves her signing a contract that gives him explicit permission to do whatever he wants to her as the dominant in a BDSM relationship. What's the conflict? The single, unremarkable journalism student must learn to accept the love of an attractive billionaire who wants to help her explore her sexuality? Just the concept is so completely without conflict that it's an amazing thing that there's actually an audience for this garbage.
By contrast is City Slickers. City Slickers is all about fantasy fulfillment, but the approach is wildly different. Billy Crystal's Mitch is a middle-aged ad executive at a radio station who goes with his two friends to adventures around the world in search for experiences that give his life meaning. Running the bulls in Pamplona does nothing, but the effort and challenge of guiding a herd of cows through the American southwest, especially as things get increasingly challenging and he has to rely on only himself and his pair of friends, leads him to find what the modern world had been denying him: his manhood. He does this by doing difficult things like fording a river with the cattle in the rain or helping to birth a calf during the drive. He's challenged, and he rises to meet those challenges. The fantasy is to be a cowboy, and he works hard to achieve it.
Dramatic Structure
As I ended the third of the Grey films, Fifty Shades Freed (what does that even mean?), I was struck by how little story actually played out. Over the course of three movies, Anastasia deals with her contract with Christian, they break up for a bit, she gets a job at a publishing house which Christian purchases and fires her boss, she has to sit in a meeting where she gives the best advice ever heard in a publishing house ever, and she gets her editing job. She and Christian make up, get married, have to deal with a couple of his previous exes, including the older woman who turned him into a BDSM freak, and everything gets resolved and they get their happily ever after. All because she was so mousy that Christian just couldn't resist her. It's meager stuff, barely the stuff of six hours of screentime especially when characterization is threadbare.
And I have to take note of the whole publishing house thing. It's designed to show Anastasia as independent of Christian, able to make a success of herself, but she becomes the unwanted target of her boss and can't extricate herself from the situation. Christian (without telling her) saves her from it, and that move is what gives her the opportunity to walk into the editors' meeting and declare that the firm should focus on both new and established authors. What an amazing idea! It's the sort of thing a teenage girl comes up with to solve all the world's problems that...publishing houses already do. But, because the book was written by someone who seems to have no real experience in any kind of business, it's presented in this sort of awed way like Anastasia is pulling pearls from the sea. It's evident of the entire childishness of the whole story at play.
But how does this all move? How does one event feed into the next to create a story? Well, it doesn't. It's essentially a series of random events where almost nothing ever feels like its at stake because conflicts and obstacles get introduced one minute and are resolved the next. There's no real overriding plot that drives any of the films individually or the three films as whole. When the woman who abused Christian as a child (Kim Bassinger) shows up, does she drive anything? No, there are a couple of scenes where Anastasia frets about the situation, but the drama goes away with Christian giving her assurances that all is well. I guess that's over. It's such a staccato three films where things come up and then go away, all while Anastasia is held up as this ideal of a woman that gets it all on her own even though her ideas are pedestrian and her actual advancement is because of her boyfriend's wealth and power.
Contrast this with City Slickers where Mitch and his two buddies start in one place and the whole film is about them evolving into a new place. Everything they do, from the opening bull race in Pamplona to Mitch getting reprimanded by his boss to the meeting of fellow tourists on the trail to Mitch's interactions with Jack Palance's Curly to having to deal with Curly's death and taking the cattle on their own to finish the journey, City Slickers is a journey of growth for Mitch and his two friends. It's all about a series of events that feed into each other with an eye towards character growth. It's about a fantasy fulfillment where Mitch has to earn his change in character, to become a better man through effort and trials. There is an actual journey to be had, and it's satisfying.
Satisfaction
I occasionally come upon a comment about how not very good movies are actually fine because they entertain. I have no problem with that sentiment, and I love a good film that has the modest ambitions just to get me to forget about the world and laugh or thrill for 90 minutes. I question the longevity of a film's appeal, though, when the fun stuff is few and far between and most of the running time is boring nonsense. Fifty Shades (all three) remind me of that. I see the pieces that would appeal to people who love trashy, erotic romances, but nothing is built up, no characters feel real, and all of the "emotion" of the film is manipulative on its face. I wonder how anyone can sit there and watch it and get any real enjoyment out of it.
Granted, these movies have IMDB ratings in the 4s. They're not widely loved, but there is a fanbase, albeit a small one. There's no accounting for taste, but I seriously don't get it. There's nothing satisfying about anything in these films. They're complete drudgery, and then I come back to fantasy fulfillment. That's all it was for the writer, E.L. James, and that's all it is for the audience. They project themselves onto Anastasia and none of the staccato storytelling, thin characterization, or bad plotting matter. Just as long as their projection wins in the end, how they get there doesn't matter. This vastly limits the appeal of the work to those who share the exact same fantasy.
Contrasting it again to City Slickers, do you need to have the same fantasy of becoming a cowboy to go on the emotional journey with Mitch? It'll certainly help, but if the characters are well written, relatable, and likeable, then the journey can be shared by more people than just those who wish to go on a cattle drive. This is why basic story construction ends up so important. It's not about following rules just because they are rules. The "rules" of storytelling can get broken all the time, but they've become accepted over time simply because they work on our strange, little, lizard brains. Abandoning those rules may not bother certain audiences, but I really believe it limits your reach both in terms of a broader audience but also in terms of time. Time is not going to be kind to the Fifty Shades films as their most ardent fans forget about it and move on, but time has been quite kind to City Slickers. It's not considered one of the great movies or anything, but it's largely well regarded even if it seems to be designed for a specific audience. That's the power of basic storytelling mechanics.
Experiment Complete
Well, I watched a film I swore I'd never watch. Three of 'em, in fact, and I hated every second of it. Now I can say that I don't have another movie like this.
Except, maybe, A Serbian Film...
Movies of Today
Opening in Theaters:
M3GAN
Movies I Saw This Fortnight:
Unforgiven (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is the complete package of a film. This is easily Eastwood's best work as director up to this point in his career. If he had retired after this, I would have understood. It's hard to imagine topping this." [Personal Collection]
A Perfect World (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "This is a very good film, a worthy follow up to the rather staggering achievement that was Unforgiven, showing that Eastwood wasn't done producing quality films and that he was going to keep working at his own pace for as long as he wanted." [Library]
Absolute Power (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It has modest goals, and it achieves those modest goals well enough without too much stumbling along the way." [Personal Collection]
True Crime (Rating 2/4) Full Review The film's reality around the investigation feels artificial. Frank's scenes are all mawkish. It's not an outright failure of a film, there's too much solid and even entertaining stuff sprinkled throughout, but the whole feels malformed." [HBOMax]
Mystic River (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is really a triumph of Eastwood's career. It takes a great script, pulls out great performances from his actors, and he keeps the action on a slow burn that really plays well into the film's narrative drive." [Personal Collection]
Million Dollar Baby (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is one of the triumphs of Eastwood's career. This is a hard-hitting film that perfectly matches with Eastwood's directing style. It's some of the finest acting in an Eastwood movie, all laid on top of a foundation written by Haggis that understands its structure and characters incredibly well." [Personal Collection]
Letters from Iwo Jima (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Never budging from its point of view of the Japanese during World War II, it's an engrossing look at the other side of the war that seems to stack the deck in its own favor while going so whole hog in the direction of sympathy that it really does feel like it goes too far in that direction." [Personal Collection]
Changeling (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is one of those scripts that perfectly matches Eastwood's thematic concerns as well as his directing style. It's a film that, if you were to bring it back into Academy ratio and use black and white film stock, you wouldn't have to change much else to make it look and feel like it belonged in the 30s or 40s, something that Otto Preminger or Fritz Lang might have made." [Library]
Contact
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I've also archived all the old posts here, by request. I'll add new posts a week after they originally post at the HQ.
My next post will be on 1/28, and it will cover the directing career of Clint Eastwood.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: JT at January 07, 2023 07:37 PM (T4tVD)
On a lighter note, the Movie Roulette selection for this evening is Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
It's not as dumb as Fifty Shades, but that's not a ringing endorsement. The scene at the beginning where soldiers with guns pop out of thin air to shoot guards who should have seen them was just the start of the stupidity...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 07:38 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 07:38 PM (BpYfr)
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I think that if you were an unhappy housewife in a loveless marriage who regretted every decision that got her to the place where the only thing that makes you happy is getting through an entire box of wine in a night, you might have been the target audience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:39 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 07, 2023 07:40 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, from Butte, America at January 07, 2023 07:43 PM (UQUAY)
Posted by: werewife, princess of Delray Beach at January 07, 2023 07:46 PM (SPNTN)
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:46 PM (+RvSj)
Read the content.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:46 PM (+RvSj)
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I pity you...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:46 PM (LvTSG)
Might you elaborate on this sentence "Abandoning those rules may not both certain audiences, but I really believe it limits your reach both in terms of a broader audience but also in terms of time."
'may not both'?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:47 PM (+GUcx)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 07, 2023 07:47 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: werewife, princess of Delray Beach at January 07, 2023 07:46 PM (SPNTN)
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The actress herself, Dakota Johnson, is actually a decent actress. The only other thing I've seen with her in it as a lead was the new Suspiria (weird movie), but she's really quite good in it.
The direction is so bad across the whole thing it honestly feels like the pair of directors were actively trying to troll the audience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:48 PM (LvTSG)
'may not both'?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:47 PM (+GUcx)
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Typo. Shoulda been "bother". Fixed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:48 PM (LvTSG)
It could deserve a full column in its own. Ordinary people swept up in events that they couldn't control. Some used it to carry out petty personal vendettas, others shrank from it and avoided fighting, and other fought even when they had no chance of winning. Filmed in 1969, 25 years after war's end. I'm struck by the mental gymnastics they use to justify their action, or inaction, You'll probably recognize some of your neighbors, or HOA members at least
Posted by: I M Simpleton at January 07, 2023 07:49 PM (jQBOW)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 07, 2023 07:49 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at January 07, 2023 07:49 PM (sJHOI)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:49 PM (+GUcx)
Posted by: Draki at January 07, 2023 07:52 PM (6Qsn1)
The fantasy for a plain woman is getting a rich handsome guy. And for the "mousy" woman, a supermodel route to handsome, rich guy is highly unlikely. But, when the "Mr. Grey" was an old, mediocre looking, electrician, or shoe store manager, this was not much fun. Few electricians, salesmen, accountants, have someone able to draw up a contract who they trust...so no contract. Police are called. A&B, and if their lucky probation. Word gets out.
So like so many other "fantasy" stories, this is not something you actually try...but some fools do. One of the stupids who acted out on this told me it was derivative of "The Story of O", and again limited to people of means. The 50 Shades made it accessible in the minds of some.
But this is not just a unhappy housewife thing. That is called, or used to be called, "harlequin romance".
Posted by: CN at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM (Zzbjj)
Or is God (higher power) real, and traditional virtuous BELIEF can/will/must defeat the (proclaimed) "infinite" power of algorithms of the machines? I will probably cling to my death to belief is an higher power of good, a One True God (that is far beyond my comprehension).
Posted by: illiniwek at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Javems at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Thank you, I just couldn't figure that sentence out.
Yeah, I know "you read the content"...
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:54 PM (+GUcx)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:54 PM (+GUcx)
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Rookie mistake, bro.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:54 PM (LvTSG)
And people call the police over horror story events. The fantasy is the money and a mousey route to it. Stupid sells, I guess.
Posted by: CN at January 07, 2023 07:54 PM (Zzbjj)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:49 PM (+GUcx)
I often suspect that my BiL and his dad check out AoS. My late sister asked me about this place a few years ago regarding a good aggregate news site with commentary that might appeal to them. I've always considered them Morons in good standing.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, from Butte, America at January 07, 2023 07:55 PM (UQUAY)
The direction is so bad across the whole thing it honestly feels like the pair of directors were actively trying to troll the audience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:48 PM
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Jamie Dornan is delicious to look at and quite skilled in various other roles too, but over and above the clownish direction, the two of them had absolutely no chemistry together at all. It was the least erotic pairing since Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston in The Bodyguard; both couples had all the smoldering intensity of a pile of raw potatoes.
Posted by: werewife, princess of Delray Beach at January 07, 2023 07:55 PM (SPNTN)
Finally watched John Wick. Didn't like it. There was a couple of good ideas like the Hotel For Hitmen but mostly it was Keanu Reeves running around like a maniac shooting people at close range. Honestly, the set up with the dead wife and the dog was so good I kind of wished that was the whole story. Keanu learns to love again because of the fog his dear dead wife got him.
Robocop. Seriously, what the fuck was this shit? Never watched it until this past week and holy crap...like, okay. I get it. It's satire. I get all the things it's satirizing. The problem is it's very much the thing it's satirizing. Moreso considering it became a franchise with action figures, comic books and cartoons. That said I miss that it's the kind of thing Hollyweird can't do anymore. Also, Nancy Allen looks really nice in that uniform. She's not exactly a bombshell but I'd have like to have seen more of her, if ya know what I mean. *Wink*
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:55 PM (4PsfX)
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:55 PM (4PsfX)
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*tries to shove copy of Dressed to Kill through USB port*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:57 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:58 PM (4PsfX)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 07:58 PM (FVME7)
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Oh, Peg!
Posted by: Al Bundy at January 07, 2023 07:58 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: CN at January 07, 2023 07:58 PM (Zzbjj)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:57 PM (LvTSG)
I don't think that's gonna work. :B
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:59 PM (4PsfX)
Posted by: Ciampino - Grounds for a duel at dawn? at January 07, 2023 07:59 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:57 PM (LvTSG)
I don't think that's gonna work. :B
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at January 07, 2023 07:59 PM (4PsfX)
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I have been looking for an excuse to replace my Criterion Blu-ray with the new Kino 4K...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:59 PM (LvTSG)
Yet, at one point the villain says the Russians will use the mental powers of the crystal skulls to infiltrate America and turn us into them.
What if...that actually happened? And we are now seeing the results today?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:01 PM (BpYfr)
Slipping folks or too much early booze ......?
Posted by: Ciampino -- Grounds for a duel at dawn? at January 07, 2023 08:01 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2023 08:01 PM (5EnGD)
Posted by: illiniwek at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM
A work of art, every frame.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 07, 2023 08:03 PM (YJwUM)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:03 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:03 PM (xcxpd)
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Eh...sort of...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 08:03 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:04 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:04 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: LASue at January 07, 2023 08:05 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Well, I've seen a lot of comedy movies without any comedy. Or porn.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 08:05 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:06 PM (oWBc3)
The Fifty Shades movies might be the worst things called movies I've ever seen, and the idea of writing anything about them seemed to vanish from my head. They were too trashy, unredeemable, and just outright bad to write about at all.
Now do Amazon's "Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power". I know -- not a movie. However, the amount of acerbic prose and verbiage directed at that tripe rivals that from the Stars Wars prequels (episodes 1 through 3).
Charlie Hopkinson does a real number on the Rings of Power using deepfake images and his voice impressions for Gandalf, Elrond, Boromir, Saruman, and Thorin. They are pretty hilarious, all told.
The first forty seconds of this compilation of the full season are especially brutal to Amazon --
https://youtu.be/TRJF4jLoMeg
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 07, 2023 08:06 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 07, 2023 07:59 PM (LvTSG)
Replace? What is this..."replace"?
Posted by: Robert, who has two copies of LOTR and five of Ghostbusters at January 07, 2023 08:06 PM (q8tUl)
What if...that actually happened? And we are now seeing the results today?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:01 PM (BpYfr)
You got a thing for vodka? Last I looked I hate vodka. The skull failed. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 07, 2023 08:06 PM (VwHCD)
And I say, "Yes. Yes, Hollywood will, cause they did. Only they didn't mean to. and that movie is-
'The Menu".
"The Menu" is one of those movies where the meaning has escaped its makers. Think Rorschach in "Watchmen". His creator wants you to think of him as a villain, yet he functions in most people's mind as the only heroic figure in the whole sorry mess.
I'll try not to discuss specifics, but -
SPOILERY STUFF FOLLOWS. BAIL OUT NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY ASPECT SPOILED.
'"The Menu"'s plot combines the current foodie craze with celebrity chefs ala something like "Hell's Kitchen" with Jonestown. Yep, that's right. Jonestown.
The celebrity chef functions as the tyrant and his kitchen staff as antifa/BLM/FBI/DOJ. There are Karens and super-Karens. Some enforcing his will others following along because they wish to be a part of his dining experience.
(con't)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:07 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:07 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:08 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:08 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:08 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: E.L. James at January 07, 2023 08:08 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:08 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 07, 2023 08:09 PM (Dc2NZ)
So like so many other "fantasy" stories, this is not something you actually try...but some fools do. One of the stupids who acted out on this told me it was derivative of "The Story of O", and again limited to people of means. The 50 Shades made it accessible in the minds of some.
Posted by: CN at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM
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A more traditional approach to the 50 Shades situation would be to add another character: a decent man who loved our heroine and wanted to build a home with her, and showed up to rescue her from the attractive, rich, but degenerate manipulator and defeat him in single combat. Come to think of it, said story would be better if set in the 18th century and written by Georgette Heyer ....
Posted by: werewife, princess of Delray Beach at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (SPNTN)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:06 PM (oWBc3)
Along with 'We all got it coming'. It's a gut punch of a man realizing he cannot be redeemed despite his sincere efforts to change.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (Kd4bG)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:07 PM (4InzN)
If I even see a single frame of that pos on my TV I will consider it desecrated, walk past my cordless dewalt sawzall, pickup my corded milwaukee super sawzall, and cut that cursed object in half.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (VwHCD)
Before 50 Shades there was Looking for Mr Goodbar. Top of my worst movies I've seen list.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (4InzN)
I did see the Blair Witch Project but I was forced into seeing it.
It was more of a comedy than a horror flick.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:11 PM (up/3i)
I fell asleep!
Not because it was bad but *coughs* I had spent a good part of the afternoon drinking. Whiskey sours, maaaaaan...
Woke up, saw it was over, went to bed and had the strangest damn dreams.
Posted by: Robert, who has two copies of LOTR and five of Ghostbusters at January 07, 2023 08:11 PM (G38ur)
rom-com
horror/slasher
anything woke
'message' films
remakes
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:12 PM (geLO8)
Robert
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JohnWick ain't for all that's for sure but if your looking for some blood, stabbing, shooting, killing with a pencil then Wick is your man for sure. And I love some Winston and the Concierge (name escapes me) but if you've watched 1 then might as well watch 2 & 3. Why not right?
Oh, and 4 comes out in April I think...
Posted by: NALNAMSAM- not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (+ldAm)
It's like the X Files, with mysteries and conspiracies and weird murders, mixed with (fake) science and (fairly realistic) theology. So far, so good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (xcxpd)
I have not watched any Star Wars beyond episodes 4 through 6 and I never will do so. There probably are others, but I cannot summon the mental effort to figure out what they are ... oh, wait, nearly everything in the Marvel CU pantheon of pabulum is on that list, too.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (u73oe)
Posted by: Eromero at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)
rom-com
horror/slasher
anything woke
'message' films
remakes
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:12 PM (geLO
Another one bites the dust, chief.
Posted by: Hallmark Movies at January 07, 2023 08:14 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:08 PM (oWBc3)
Never seen it.
Lots of old westerns I've never seen.
Posted by: Robert, who has four copies of Star Wars and two of Jaws at January 07, 2023 08:14 PM (G38ur)
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That is one of my favorite western movie moments. Another is Doc's final line after the hectic gunfight near the creek in Tombstone. Roughly:
(Doc coughing violently)
Cowboy - Doc, you ought to be in bed. What the hell are you out here doing this for?
Doc Holliday - Because Wyatt Earp is my friend.
Cowboy - Heck, Doc. I got lots of friends.
Doc Holliday - I don't.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:14 PM (kb4+v)
If I even see a single frame of that pos on my TV I will consider it desecrated, walk past my cordless dewalt sawzall, pickup my corded milwaukee super sawzall, and cut that cursed object in half.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
LOL
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 07, 2023 08:14 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:14 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:15 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: illiniwek at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM
A work of art, every frame.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 07, 2023 08:03 PM (YJwUM)
The Animated version? Jah. The live action with ScarJo? Not as good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:15 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 07, 2023 08:15 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:10 PM (4InzN)
It definitely does not hold up, even to its own horrible initial standard. Neither does American Gigolo. Gross.
Posted by: LASue at January 07, 2023 08:16 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:16 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:16 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: illiniwek at January 07, 2023 07:53 PM
*High five*
Posted by: Robert, who has three copies of Ghost In The Shell and two of Ninja Scroll at January 07, 2023 08:16 PM (G38ur)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:17 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 07, 2023 08:17 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 07, 2023 08:17 PM (u73oe)
In fact, his "dining experience", his governance, if you will, over the evening is what controls them all to greater or lesser degrees - the bankers and businessmen who support him, the followers who follow just be be part of the latest thing, the MSM who built him up but who may have now outlived their usefulness, the useful idiots.
They all want to be part of the latest thing, the latest dining experience, and he gives them their wish in a Gotterdammerung of a dessert. And they thank him for it.
Just a we see society collapsing around us, and foolish people are thanking Biden and the Democrats for this collapse.
I don't want to make it sound grim because it's actually pretty funny. Depending on how dark your sense of humor is. And there is hope -
The one who escapes calls out the chef, refuses his demands and makes him live up to his own "morality".
Great acting, fun script, with fun twists.
BONUS! You'll be shocked how well this darkly funny satire plugs into our current situation.
Check it out.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:17 PM (KLPy8)
I'm laughing at your thoughts on the Fifty Shades movies. The lovely late Mrs Doof loved those books for some strange reason. She also enjoyed the movies even though she admitted they were not done very well. Having said those things, I will also say I did not mind her being, umm, "inspired" by those books / movies frequently.
Posted by: Doof at January 07, 2023 08:18 PM (zddNi)
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That was what made that movie so good to me and why I hated that they made sequels to screw everything up. I know they made billions of dollars or whatever, but it's a shame they couldn't have told the story with the black hotel clerk or Swerengen or some other character.
That was maybe the most perfect setup I've ever seen, and the movie only worked because Wick was suicidal, extremely talented, and full of anger and vengeance. It was conceivable that he could be lucky enough to pull all of that off for one movie, but there were/are no similar motivations for parts 2-7.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:18 PM (kb4+v)
rom-com
horror/slasher
anything woke
'message' films
remakes
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:12 PM (geLO
All that's left are the classics. But would Thin Man and Emma and Vanity Fair be considered rom-coms?
Posted by: LASue at January 07, 2023 08:18 PM (Ed8Zd)
The chase scene through the jungle is just weird, pathetic, and overly CGI'd to death.
I'm only watching it because Movie Roulette told me to. I only own it because it was part of a Blu-Ray movie bundle with the other three.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:18 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 07:49 PM (+GUcx)
I often suspect that my BiL and his dad check out AoS. My late sister asked me about this place a few years ago regarding a good aggregate news site with commentary that might appeal to them. I've always considered them Morons in good standing.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, from Butte, America at January 07, 2023 07:55 PM
I often tell folks I don't read the news or watch television or listen to talk shows, and they say 'how do you know so much about current events?'. I tell them AOSHQ and warn them about the language. I don't tell them my name though.
Posted by: Eromero at January 07, 2023 08:19 PM (0OP+5)
Loved it.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 08:19 PM (anj39)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:20 PM (KLPy8)
I have another (who might be a little on the spectrum) who refuses to read novels or fiction.
I've given up trying to convince them. It's like Uma Thurman: you either find her attractive or....you don't. It's not something you can debate someone into changing their mind about.
Sadly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:20 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (up/3i)
The chase scene through the jungle is just weird, pathetic, and overly CGI'd to death.
I'm only watching it because Movie Roulette told me to. I only own it because it was part of a Blu-Ray movie bundle with the other three.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:18 PM (BpYfr)
Your time is more valuable than that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (uPgE/)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:16 PM (up/3i)
I've had a copy of My Neighbor Totoro for a couple of years now that I finally watched this past...okay, is it obvious I watched a lot of movies recently?
It's really nice. It's charming and pleasant and endearing and all those other things modern movies aren't.
Posted by: Robert, who has two copies of Princess Mononoke at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (5Jpig)
FIGHT ME!!!!
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (up/3i)
Princess Mononoke is better.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:22 PM (xcxpd)
Harrison Ford just making this movie was weird, pathetic, and overly CGI'd to death.
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:22 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (xcxpd)
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That's why I'm hanging out here...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:22 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: N.Lurker
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Now had Philadelphia been a slasher film, I may have watched it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2023 08:22 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Tuna at January 07, 2023 08:23 PM (gLRfa)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:23 PM (kb4+v)
It's really nice. It's charming and pleasant and endearing and all those other things modern movies aren't.
Posted by: Robert, who has two copies of Princess Mononoke at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (5Jpig)
It really works for all ages. My parents, me, and kidlets can all watch it and enjoy. The art is just stunning at times, literally mesmerizing how beautiful everything is.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:23 PM (xcxpd)
FIGHT ME!!!!
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:21 PM (up/3i)
*Thinks*
I'm pretty sure I only have one copy of that.
Posted by: Robert, who has two copies of Whisper Of The Heart at January 07, 2023 08:24 PM (5Jpig)
>> It's charming and pleasant and endearing and all those other things modern movies aren't.
I have pretty much all of the output of Hayao Miyazaki in pretty much all mediums, I regard him as one of the greatest Directors ever along with Akira Kurosawa.
Those guys knew how to make films.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:25 PM (up/3i)
It was more of a comedy than a horror flick.
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I still laugh over, "I kicked that map in the creek."
Oh? That's what you do when lost? The witch killing you was a mercy
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2023 08:25 PM (5EnGD)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:25 PM (oWBc3)
As sure as can be, there were some more risqué shots done when Sally and Burt get some nut were cut out.
Remember it from a Year in Review in Playboy probably 79
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:25 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Doof at January 07, 2023 08:26 PM (zddNi)
https://tinyurl.com/2lvsc7kv
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:26 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:26 PM (up/3i)
maybe Roadrunner, but that's it
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:26 PM (geLO8)
Torture porn, I ... don't like that I live in a country where they're popular
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2023 08:27 PM (5EnGD)
Posted by: N.Lurker
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Now had Philadelphia been a slasher film, I may have watched it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2023 08:22 PM (sAmhv)
In a way it was. It's about the aftermath of Tom Hanks getting stabbed up the ass repeatedly.
Posted by: Robert, who has two copies of Whisper Of The Heart at January 07, 2023 08:27 PM (5Jpig)
Raises a Howl's Moving Castle.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:26 PM (up/3i)
Raises with Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:27 PM (xcxpd)
Harrison Ford just making this movie was weird, pathetic, and overly CGI'd to death.
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:22 PM
Tearing up expensive toys like Stearmans costs do-ray-me.
Posted by: Eromero at January 07, 2023 08:27 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 07, 2023 08:27 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:28 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:29 PM (kb4+v)
>>Raises with Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
Pushes all in with Kiki's Delivery Service.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:30 PM (up/3i)
Raises a Howl's Moving Castle.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:26 PM (up/3i)
Raises with Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:27 PM (xcxpd)
I feel Nausicaa isn't getting enough love.
Posted by: Robert, who has zero copies of Nausicaa at January 07, 2023 08:30 PM (5Jpig)
>>Raises with Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
Pushes all in with Kiki's Delivery Service.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:30 PM (up/3i)
Looks at the rest of the movies I could play.
I'm out. I'm not putting up Porco Rosso or (spits) Nausica.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:31 PM (xcxpd)
What a magical movie!
Miyazaki made better movies, but he never again matched that casual, naturalistic approach to magic.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:32 PM (KLPy8)
So all those sweet nothings you whispered in my ear mean nothing!
Posted by: Covenant at January 07, 2023 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Robert, who has zero copies of Nausicaa at January 07, 2023 08:30 PM (5Jpig)
I....kinda hate it. The flying sequences are fine but the message and mood are just ugly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:32 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:32 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:33 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:34 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at January 07, 2023 08:34 PM (OX9vb)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:32 PM (4InzN)
I wonder if TJM will do a Mel Gibson director retrospective some year?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:34 PM (xcxpd)
I'm heartened that you rated Million Dollar Baby 4/4...
There are more than a few of the horde that do.not.like.it..
I thought Clint, Morgan, and Hillary were wonderful in their roles.
And the mother and sister of Maggie were pitch perfect as well.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:35 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:35 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:28 PM (xhxe
Yeah, that about sums up my feelings on it. Saw it on TV. Looked like an after school special. Realized the story was just about Marxist class warfare and the AIDS stuff was just a cheap hook and hated it.
Dallas Buyer's Club was way way waaaaaay better. It's the pro-capitalism AIDS movie.
Posted by: Robert, who has zero copies of Nausicaa at January 07, 2023 08:35 PM (0DXEC)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:30 PM
We top 'em all.
Posted by: Big Sausage Pizza Delivery at January 07, 2023 08:35 PM (a3Q+t)
scene that is very nearly totally silent except for the noise of the environment around it.
These scenes are almost always brilliant little set pieces that draw you in with pure visuals.
Genius stuff.
The movie screen doesn't have to be constantly screaming at you to keep your attention.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:35 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:34 PM (xcxpd)
Has he directed a bad movie?
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:36 PM (4InzN)
>>Miyazaki made better movies, but he never again matched that casual, naturalistic approach to magic.
With respect to the extra book thread we got yesterday, Miyazaki captured in his movies the same thing Bill Watterson captured in Calvin and Hobbes strips, the whimsy and innocence of youth.
Both masters of their mediums.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:36 PM (up/3i)
That is drama.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 08:36 PM (C1rbv)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:37 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Robert at January 07, 2023 08:38 PM (4tPUu)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 07, 2023 08:09 PM (Dc2NZ)
Fifty Shades of Beige would be interesting. The contract: Lindy pontificates about things he researched and you have to pay him via Patreon.
Some of it is good, and well considered. The catch is, he is a modern Brit pontificating about small arms. And the dancing.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2023 08:38 PM (xhaym)
Both masters of their mediums.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2023 08:36 PM (up/3i)
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The "whimsy and innocence of youth." A very apt phrase for qualities that are sadly lacking in today's entertainment, regardless of medium.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:38 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:39 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:40 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:34 PM (4InzN)
I'm gonna disagree...Maggie Gyllenhaal made her quirky looks work in that role.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:40 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:34 PM (xcxpd)
Has he directed a bad movie?
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:36 PM (4InzN)
We'll see how Lethal Weapon 5 goes...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:42 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:40 PM (kb4+v)
I just watched a WW2 movie I had never seen before. Between Heaven and Hell with Robert Wagner. Really good IMHO.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:42 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2023 08:42 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: Skip
By showing a guy dying from AIDS, which he contracted from getting humped by men. Kind of a dumb way to normalize it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2023 08:42 PM (sAmhv)
Typo. Shoulda been "bother". OK then, my Bother-In-Law reads my comments! J/K, if my BIL read my writing his lips would get tired out.
Kinky movies that spur real-life imitations: if you meet an architect who did not make a fool of himself over "The Fountainhead," don't give him the job. "Gone in Sixty" had a lot of fans in my town.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 07, 2023 08:43 PM (jYCXf)
The 1984 David Lynch Dune. Watched that for the first time, too! I've watched...too many movies. I need a different hobby.
Wow! What a wonderfully weird film. First of all it looks great. All the crazy visual ideas, the sets and costumes and creatures...just so cool. The big worm creature that travels through space by getting high on Melange and the vomiting light? What the hell? I'm down with it. It loses the plot in the last act but dammit it does do *spectacularly*.
Posted by: Robert at January 07, 2023 08:43 PM (3KvWS)
Lot of people didn't like 8mm but I thought it was excellent. Well acted all around.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:43 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you
I won't watch anything with Holocaust footage in it. Just don't want those images in my head. I remember back in junior high, they showed us Night And Fog. Never want to see those images again.
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:43 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:33 PM
Master And Commander.
Posted by: Eromero at January 07, 2023 08:44 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:44 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:42 PM (xcxpd)
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The sequel to The Passion is next, apparently. I'd guess the new WB regime pumped the breaks on LW5.
Posted by: TJM's phone at January 07, 2023 08:44 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:45 PM (xhxe8)
And the actress was Amy Morton. She does or did mostly TV.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:45 PM (4InzN)
Its like someone took that SNL script on sexual harassment with Tom Brady and thought it was too subtle...
Posted by: Bugs Bunny chomping on a carrot at January 07, 2023 08:45 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: Robert at January 07, 2023 08:43 PM (3KvWS)
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It's a cult classic for a reason.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2023 08:42 PM (qoGsy)
Who's mother in the movie? Are you talking about Catherine Keener?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (xcxpd)
The 1984 David Lynch Dune. Watched that for the first time, too! I've watched...too many movies. I need a different hobby.
Wow! What a wonderfully weird film. First of all it looks great. All the crazy visual ideas, the sets and costumes and creatures...just so cool. The big worm creature that travels through space by getting high on Melange and the vomiting light? What the hell? I'm down with it. It loses the plot in the last act but dammit it does do *spectacularly*.
Posted by: Robert
It was odd. David Lynch, so I kind of expect odd. Sting looked like he was having way too much fun in that movie.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (qoGsy)
Darn. I was hoping for a prequel. Something like Ba'al and Moloch do Sumeria.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (eOEVl)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Robert at January 07, 2023 08:43 PM (3KvWS)
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It's a cult classic for a reason.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:46 PM (BpYfr)
Dune 1984 > Dunc 2021
Mark my words, the Denis Villenue version of Dune will be forgotten. It lacks flair and soul.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 07, 2023 08:44 PM (oWBc3)
Didn't Michael Caine basically do every move he was offered?
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:40 PM (CCSxw)
Is that what you call it. Quirky? You are very kind.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (4InzN)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:45 PM (xhxe
Took me a couple of viewings, but it grew on me.
It's a sleeper...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:48 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:40 PM (CCSxw)
Is that what you call it. Quirky? You are very kind.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (4InzN)
It's as good looking as Maggie ever gets. All downhill after Secretary.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:49 PM (xcxpd)
Grew up poor with a strong work ethic.
Gene Hackman is the same.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 07, 2023 08:49 PM (SJsWC)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 07, 2023 08:50 PM (KFhLj)
Posted by: Kreskin at January 07, 2023 08:50 PM (xP8Wr)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2023 08:50 PM (r46W7)
Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2023 08:51 PM (SYTee)
He owed a lot of money to the IRS...
I do like that he's doing all sorts of odd movies now from Willy's Wonderland to Color Out of Space to The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 08:51 PM (lc5cP)
Part 1 is set-up. I have high hopes for Part 2.
Don't fuck with the Fremen
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (SJsWC)
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (C1rbv)
I find Billy Chrystal kind of annoying.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 07, 2023 08:50 PM (KFhLj)
He makes annoying work in this movie...
Give it a watch!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: polynikes
I have to say, I don't find Dakota Fanning attractive at all.
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (OX9vb)
Her brother is pretty good in movies
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (SJsWC)
Maggie Whatsername might not have been Kate Beckinsale but in the real world I wouldn't have said no to a date with a woman with her looks...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: Kreskin
They filmed a lot of that film near my hometown in PA. They used a local college (Westminster College).
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2023 08:53 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2023 08:53 PM (r46W7)
Not the feel good movie of the year, but man, does it deliver every single fucking thing it promises.
And DUNE(1984) delivers as well.
It plops you right in the middle of the far-flung future and just keeps getting weirder. And yet delivers storewide.
My theory is that movies of the far future should be disorienting and unfamiliar as hell.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:53 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2023 08:54 PM (r46W7)
Uh. Didn't she show us her tits?
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (C1rbv)
Yep...she did indeed.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 08:54 PM (CCSxw)
I find Billy Chrystal kind of annoying
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I do, too, but I remember I enjoyed City Slickers in a similar way I enjoyed Throw Momma from the Train. They probably aren't connected at all except for time, but if either were on TV I wouldn't change the channel.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:54 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: Biden I, 1st Padishah Emperor of the Known Universe at January 07, 2023 08:54 PM (lc5cP)
I find Billy Chrystal kind of annoying.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
You too huh?
-- Zombie Bruno Kirby
Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2023 08:55 PM (qoGsy)
Any attachment they've got would have improved it.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 07, 2023 08:55 PM (jYCXf)
Posted by: Eromero
yes
I also like movies with tall ships that shoot cannons
and there has to be a a scene where they 'round the Horn'
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:55 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:55 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (C1rbv)
Yep...she did indeed.
I have been fond of her ever since.
Yeah. I would date her.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 08:55 PM (C1rbv)
Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2023 08:56 PM (SYTee)
It plays out like a talented bard taking an interesting story and cranking it to 11.
Also, my understanding is we have no idea if the Greeks actually did the pushing thing in phalanx formation or not but...next to a cliff? Push away men!
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (lc5cP)
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Yep...she did indeed.
I have been fond of her ever since.
Yeah. I would date her.
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I'm easy to get along with in almost exactly the same way.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (r46W7)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (SJsWC)
Yeah, we kind of guessed...
Posted by: MartynWW at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (Ur3df)
A very dumb movie with a very dumb execution of a plot (it could have worked with better writing).
On the other hand, the final scene where Indy and Marianne get married was a good way to send off the characters after their final adventure.
Wait a minute...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:58 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (xcxpd)
I have heard some film people call it a technical masterpiece in that it uses all the new tech and chooses to do it well.
The story is complicated and has to be pruned down to manageable length. Dune was the first paperback I couldn't hold comfortably when I was reading it. It was like holding a dictionary.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2023 08:59 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 08:59 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 09:00 PM (C1rbv)
It plays out like a talented bard taking an interesting story and cranking it to 11.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (lc5cP)
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It's very much told in the style of an epic heroic saga. WE are not the target audience for this tale.
The narrator's fellow Greek warriors are the primary audience as he tries to inspire them for the next stage in the war. We are just eavesdropping on his story.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 09:01 PM (BpYfr)
Kind of like those Harrison Ford adventure movies. You know, "Raiders of the Lost Ark", "The Lost Ark and the Temple of Doom", "The Lost Ark and the Last Crusade".
Posted by: moviegique at January 07, 2023 09:01 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:02 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Just Some Guy at January 07, 2023 09:02 PM (a/4+U)
Two words:
Vapid. Trash.
Your efforts here are appreciated, TJM, both for 'taking one --or 3-- for the team' and for taking the time to write *something* about it.
There is really no defining a basis of attraction for that crap, is there? Curiosity, perhaps.
The
Posted by: JQ at January 07, 2023 09:02 PM (o0Fxd)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 07, 2023 08:47 PM (xcxpd)
I agree. There isn't a single scene in that movie that stands out or is particularly memorable, whereas DUNE 1984 is loaded with them.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:02 PM (KLPy8)
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at January 07, 2023 08:52 PM (OX9vb)
I was speaking relatively.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2023 09:02 PM (4InzN)
https://372pages.com/
We read "The Mister". I felt for her: She wanted to write something a little better and fell back into porn and sloppy romance novel stuff. (Romance novels can be tight; this wasn't.)
Posted by: moviegique at January 07, 2023 09:03 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Skip
I've never seen it- I hear it's about a space war over who has the most cinnamon
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 09:03 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:53 PM (KLPy
I am not sure that unrelatable characters doing arcane and indecipherable things for unintelligible reasons is the way to get a big box office draw.
(I mean, look at the MCU)
I don't think Cordwainer Smith stories could be made into valid movies, though I would pay good money to see how Norstrillia fails.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2023 09:04 PM (xhaym)
Her:Let's go out Him:Sure, what sounds good?
You've already screwed up. Have places in mind. Suggest them and then drive her there. There is no solution to this problem that doesn't involve you reading her mind and being decisive. Lots of things are like this. You're being tested. It's kind of an neverending Kobayashi Maru exercise. The guy fails a lot. But you've got to do it.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 09:04 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2023 09:04 PM (sAmhv)
You all owe it to yourselves to subject yourselves to his "genius."
https://youtu.be/Lo0-GU8dwOg
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:04 PM (Lzpvj)
Sadly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021)
Uma is either the ugliest beautiful woman in the world, or the most beautiful ugly woman in the world. Flip a coin.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 07, 2023 09:05 PM (pi2uC)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:05 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: moviegique at January 07, 2023 09:05 PM (asXVI)
Eh it is my experience that what they actually want is an "in case of emergency break glass" decision and response matrix.
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:05 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2023 09:05 PM (xhaym)
You all owe it to yourselves to subject yourselves to his "genius."
https://youtu.be/Lo0-GU8dwOg
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:04 PM (Lzpvj)
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The Voxis Productions critique of Neil Breen is by far my favorite:
https://youtu.be/Kyik_mqirLM
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 09:06 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2023 09:07 PM (rj6Yv)
Dennis Quaid was in a decent flick on the Bosnia mess called "savior."
https://youtu.be/Mv5R5cluYhY
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:07 PM (Lzpvj)
Actually accidentally hit it on my phone and started reading, haven't seen the movie again since.
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:07 PM (xhxe8)
As we were leaving, he said "I expected to see a table with Marine recruiters in the lobby. They're missing an opportunity here."
That kid kind of looks like Jake Gyllenhaal, enough to take some ribbing about you-know-what mountain. In the circle he travels in, he's thought of as rather good-looking.
If my daughter looked like Maggie, I'd spend more time in bars. Face down, way at the end.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 07, 2023 09:07 PM (jYCXf)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 09:08 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 08:53 PM (KLPy
Or backwards and laughably archaic. I mean the way things are going planet of the apes (minus the apes) might be more accurate. Progressives believe in continual advance and development of course. But every consequence of their actions has me believing in the opposite.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 09:08 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2023 09:04 PM (xhaym)
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William Hope Hodgson's The Night Land would also be an interesting failure of a movie...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 09:08 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 07, 2023 09:09 PM (SJsWC)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 09:09 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:09 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: John Norman at January 07, 2023 09:09 PM (xttsV)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia
I find that wars are more enjoyable the further away in space and time you are.
There is an ultra realistic videogame about the Battle of Fallujah. They have veterans of that battle sign off on it. The idea makes me very uncomfortable.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:09 PM (FVME7)
There is a hard to watch due to realism about a British UN team in Serbia Herzegovina with Damien----, guy who played Lt Winters in BoB.
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:10 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 09:10 PM (lc5cP)
Stop me if you've heard this one....
Europe lies their ass off to get American military assets for a non-sensical conflict that was actually the exact opposite of what was sold...
Is it WW1, Bosnia, or the Ukraine?
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:10 PM (Lzpvj)
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I subscribe to the notion that Breen is an artist, and he's created a persona and movies and fan based that relies on that creation. He makes bad movies intentionally but respectfully, and he makes them with the final product in mind being the opposite of the Sharknado series. He wants them to be bad but sincere, and he is creating an almost artistic level of bad.
I think he's a genius in his own bizarre way.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 09:11 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 09:09 PM (lc5cP)
Damn, there goes the scene that includes the US bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.
Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2023 09:11 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:12 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 07, 2023 09:12 PM (jYCXf)
Stop me if you've heard this one....
Europe lies their ass off to get American military assets for a non-sensical conflict that was actually the exact opposite of what was sold...
Is it WW1, Bosnia, or the Ukraine?
Posted by: sven
Yes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 07, 2023 09:12 PM (pi2uC)
I found out about the Gor books by feminists bitching about them which I always thought was sort of funny.
Note they aren't particularly good - imagine Burroughs writing a John Carter book but in a quarter of the time - but it is funny the basic idea made a certain demographic furious...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2023 09:13 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:05 PM (xhxe
Well, "A Serbian Film" which TJM is referencing is a horror movie that ends when the main character rapes his new born infant child to death.
Something no one in their right mind wants to see.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:13 PM (KLPy8)
He may have looked at Jerry Lewis' whoring in the 80s and said "why not?"
I sincerely do not dislike the guy, he basically makes money and has other people footing the bill for his vanity projects...
more noble than anyone in DC come to think on it.
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:13 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2023 08:57 PM (r46W7)
I've read before that Billy Crystal and Robin Williams were big-time WH40K fans and had rooms set out for massive campaigns they'd have with each other. One side we're gay elves and the other were British orks. I bet just being there and listening to the two would be some of the funniest things ever heard.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 09:15 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 07, 2023 09:15 PM (X+Ku8)
Before I go I gots a question for the movie watching Horde.
Region free Blu-ray players! Any suggestions? Also, I understand that these things require a certain magic touch to work. Hold this, press that, while hopping on one leg or failing that you hold that, press this, pat your head and rub your belly.
Thank you ahead for your opinions.
Night!
Posted by: Robert at January 07, 2023 09:15 PM (Br9RP)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:16 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:16 PM (FVME7)
I sincerely do not dislike the guy, he basically makes money and has other people footing the bill for his vanity projects...
more noble than anyone in DC come to think on it.
Posted by: sven
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I think he's a better and more honorable version of the Black Rifle Coffee CEO.
Breen doesn't seem to be hypocritical. Just the opposite, really. From what little I've seen he comes across as bizarrely respectful to bad movies and people who love them.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 09:16 PM (kb4+v)
Star Wars premise was that it was in a galaxy far away a long time ago.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 09:17 PM (C1rbv)
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I have a question: why do female author(esses?) think they're fooling anyone with just providing their initials? I automatically assume any book written by, e.g., A. N. Other is a chick book, and avoid it like the plague.
Not that I'm entirely prejudiced against female authors. Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August" is great, and I own a copy. It's just that chick books/movies typically go into romances, failed/flawed sexual relationships, babies, etc.
Miss me with that. I'd sooner read a book on the gastroenteric consequences of eating at a Tijuana taco truck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:18 PM (pNm1M)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 09:19 PM (kb4+v)
Star Wars premise was that it was in a galaxy far away a long time ago.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at January 07, 2023 09:17 PM (C1rbv)
That's why I categorize SW and ST as "Science Fantasy".
Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2023 09:19 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:19 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:20 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:18 PM (pNm1M)
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I've wondered the same thing. I suspect it's a legacy of publishing from a long time ago when it was much more difficult for women to be published, especially in certain genres like science fiction.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 09:20 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:21 PM (FVME7)
Whatever do you mean?
//AC Crispin
I know right?
//DC Fontana
That genertation of initial writers was for the most part good, and just looking to get published.
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:23 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:18 PM (pNm1M)
Meh. I use initials in my pen name and I'm a dude.
And I strongly suspect that you'd never mistake "Wearing the Cat" as a chick book.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:23 PM (KLPy8)
agree about Unforgiven 100%!
Norstrilia, or C'mell, maybe Scanners Live In Vain, Planet Shayol, Dead Lady of Clown Town, yeah, I would go see a Cordwainer Smith movie.
& g'night everyone!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 07, 2023 09:24 PM (fxj5q)
Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2023 09:07 PM
I was building a house.
Posted by: Eromero at January 07, 2023 09:24 PM (0OP+5)
Europe lies their ass off to get American military assets for a non-sensical conflict that was actually the exact opposite of what was sold...
Is it WW1, Bosnia, or the Ukraine?
Posted by: sven
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Lessee, WWI was a squabble between European imperialist powers over colonies. Why we got involved is anyone's guess. Pace the communists and many contemporary Democrats, the US has historically been the most anti-imperialist great power in history (see, e.g., American refusal to support Europeans in the Suez crisis, the French in Indochina, the British in Burma, to name a few off the top of my head). Yeah, we had the Philippines, but cut them loose off our own bat, without any pressure to do so.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:24 PM (pNm1M)
I prefer the 50 shades of Jay:
https://tinyurl.com/5xpvhu5w
Posted by: Boswell at January 07, 2023 09:24 PM (+Cgut)
Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2023 09:24 PM (xhxe8)
And I strongly suspect that you'd never mistake "Wearing the Cat" as a chick book.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:23 PM (KLPy
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Only your initials? Suspect right there. "Wearing the Cat" screams "chick book." Now, "Eating the Cat," you got something.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:25 PM (pNm1M)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:25 PM (pNm1M)
Heh.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:26 PM (KLPy8)
Never got around to City Slickers -- but always enjoyed Crystal and Gregory Hines in Running Scared.
Posted by: Just Some Guy
Yeah, fun flick. With the best Miranda Warning scene in cinema
Scumbag (holding gun on Hines): No hablo ingles.
Billy: Oh. Yo hablo Smith and Wesson? You have the right to remain... dead. Anything you do will be used against you. You have the right to a coroner. If you cannot afford one, we will appoint a medical examiner for you.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 07, 2023 09:28 PM (pi2uC)
It's kind of cross between "The Fugitive" and a serial killer movie.
It's pretty good if you're looking for something top watch.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:29 PM (KLPy8)
https://bit.ly/3ij2rjA
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:19 PM (FVME7)
***
Maybe not so much a theory...
British government has discovered Chinese GPS tracking devices in official cars used by senior government officials.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:29 PM (anj39)
British government has discovered Chinese GPS tracking devices in official cars used by senior government officials.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:29 PM (anj39)
So that's what they're calling Huawei phones nowdays?
Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2023 09:31 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 07, 2023 08:13 PM (pNxlR)
I posted this on a previous thread but Adam Driver, guy who played Kylo Ren, was a Marine, mighty mortar man. He was ~18 when he joined 2 months after 911. Believes in service. For a actor type seems to be squared away. I was impressed.
Posted by: Javems at January 07, 2023 09:31 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (EZebt)
Posted by: naturalfake
Haha, can confirm.
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (OX9vb)
Posted by: lin-duh in CenTX at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (UUBmN)
https://bit.ly/3ij2rjA
Start yanking those antennas and you'll find out who's they are pretty quickly.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (Bd6X8)
Modern writers try to write a PAST without Christianity. I have read multiple books set in medieval Europe that have only at best a passing mention of a cathedral or a priest (often bad guys). Christianity was so shot through medieval European culture that not an hour went by without some reference, nod to, cultural even, or outright display of Christianity.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:33 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: naturalfake
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If I read it. Which, frankly, I would be most unlikely to, under the circumstances. Author with initials, about cats, yeah, no.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:34 PM (pNm1M)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (Bd6X
No more yanky my wanky
Posted by: Long Duc Dong at January 07, 2023 09:34 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 07, 2023 09:35 PM (EZebt)
>I thought it was a decent movie because these type of adventures are targeting 8 to 14 year olds. I saw it on amazon and they fact checked just about everything the movie has to offer. Wow, one goof was they used a prop rifle in one scene, but that rifle didn't go into production until two years later. Who cares? It's a adventure about aliens and zombies.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 07, 2023 09:36 PM (Er3sM)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (Bd6X
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Uncle Martin at January 07, 2023 09:36 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: moviegique at January 07, 2023 09:36 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 07, 2023 09:35 PM (EZebt)
I can honestly say I've never seen it.
I hated the disco era...
Haven't see Urban Cowboy either.
Posted by: Long Duc Dong at January 07, 2023 09:36 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:37 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 09:38 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:38 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:32 PM (Bd6X
They've pulled down about a dozen so far. Interesting.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:38 PM (anj39)
British government has discovered Chinese GPS tracking devices in official cars used by senior government officials.
Posted by: Diogenes
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The Ukraine's Nazi Azov bunch has been training folks in the United States for years. 2020:
"LOS ANGELES — According to a recent FBI indictment, several American white supremacists were allegedly radicalized by and received training from Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which receives funding from the current government of Ukraine as well as the U.S. government. The group has also received weapons from the Israeli government."
https://tinyurl.com/2ecdyxvf
The crazy part is they acknowledge that the Ukranian bunch were attacking people in Charlottesville.
Its insane to realize how all of the last few coordinated years are all connected.
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 09:39 PM (kb4+v)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 09:39 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:39 PM (anj39)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 07, 2023 09:40 PM (EZebt)
Which is hilarious if you look at the history AT ALL.
https://tinyurl.com/Vlad-the-Impaler-History
Vlad why do you do what you do?
I love Jesus and think Muslims really need to stay south.
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:41 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 09:41 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I see that there's a stronk woman defeating a trained army (at least until the end) coming out this year but it's true, Boudica.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:41 PM (FVME7)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VF0c9SwewpA&t=233s
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:21 PM (FVME7)
Kind of fresh, in some folks mind, for a game.
Posted by: Javems at January 07, 2023 09:42 PM (AmoqO)
Extending coverage, like in a mesh network. Besides for direction finding it's easier and cheaper these days to use a krakenSDR:
https://bit.ly/3GnYDFK
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:42 PM (Bd6X8)
Mrs.D called it a wolf moon. This begs the question... If wolves howl at the moon, why don't they howl at the sun?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:42 PM (anj39)
Ugh. I watched half of The Menu and couldn't bear to watch the rest of it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 07, 2023 09:43 PM (Qzn2/)
Digital animation has a better color-space but some of the old ones had atmosphere. Every city neon has a halo on it.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 07, 2023 09:43 PM (ybIRR)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:41 PM
Irish, right?
Posted by: Eromero at January 07, 2023 09:43 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (Bd6X8)
Posted by: naturalfake
___________
If I read it. Which, frankly, I would be most unlikely to, under the circumstances. Author with initials, about cats, yeah, no.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:34 PM (pNm1M)
Not about cats at all. I don't even think a cat appears in the novel.
"Wearing the Cat' is a Japanese phrase or idiom.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (KLPy8)
Iceni but in the pre-Roman sense.
One of the Celt subtribes.
Posted by: sven at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:41 PM (FVME7)
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Which ended badly. Let's face it, Adolf defeated LOTS of trained armies, at least until the end.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (pNm1M)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (ybIRR)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (ybIRR)
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Raul Julia was a real talent.
Posted by: TJM's phone at January 07, 2023 09:45 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Cicero
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It was very dark but twisted. I actually liked it since I enjoy the whole foodie thing
Posted by: lin-duh in CenTX at January 07, 2023 09:45 PM (UUBmN)
"Wearing the Cat' is a Japanese phrase or idiom.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:44 PM (KLPy
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Good to hear, but too obscure. I think I can be forgiven for thinking it involved cats.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 07, 2023 09:46 PM (pNm1M)
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There was a really fun Archer episode dealing with idioms a few years ago:
https://youtu.be/mY9gVIcRkkI
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 09:46 PM (kb4+v)
https://bit.ly/3GnYDFK
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 07, 2023 09:42 PM (Bd6X
Hmm. Extended coverage.
Didn't think of that. Possible.
The kraken reminds me of an old sound-ranging system the rooskies had.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:46 PM (anj39)
Well she won a few battles anyway
I don't mind that kind of strong woman, I just can't stand the modern leftist ideal of one.
I tried reading the first of a series of forensics mysteries by a woman, she basically launched the genre back in the early 90s. The science was meh, the mystery was okay but the main character is a woman who is oppressed by stupid men she continually foils and proves wrong by being strong and independent and always right and hostile toward everyone. Whee?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:46 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 07, 2023 09:47 PM (DhOHl)
Posted by: Eromero
She was Queen of the Iceni which, I think, was located in East Anglia.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 07, 2023 09:47 PM (FVME7)
Ugh. I watched half of The Menu and couldn't bear to watch the rest of it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 07, 2023 09:43 PM (Qzn2/)
Yeah, the characters are all pretty obnoxious. Which I is the point.
You spend as much time being irritated by them as laughing at them.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 07, 2023 09:47 PM (KLPy8)
Lots of perverse incentives appear in crypto.
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Posted by: San Franpsycho
was it gestalt or zeitgeist?
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 09:47 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 07, 2023 09:49 PM (2oHWb)
Posted by: Now they're just f*cking with you- Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia at January 07, 2023 09:49 PM (kb4+v)
35 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has a ludicrous plot, even within this franchise.
Yet, at one point the villain says the Russians will use the mental powers of the crystal skulls to infiltrate America and turn us into them.
What if...that actually happened? And we are now seeing the results today?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:01 PM (BpYfr)
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The skull is full of vodka, right? I think I've seen them at the store.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 07, 2023 09:50 PM (qOuMB)
Better style, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:50 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at January 07, 2023 09:50 PM (OX9vb)
That was the only really suspenseful and powerful part of the entire crappy movie. When Natasha lectures them all about how the communists will use the skull. It was a surprisingly accurate take on what communism intended and wanted to do -- and indeed has been doing in the west.
I was surprised Lucas and Spielberg actually put that in the movie. I mean, they kind of had to, to show how they were bad guys but still. I haven't heard that kind of anti-communist spiel in a movie since the 50s.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2023 09:52 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 07, 2023 08:01 PM (BpYfr)
And yet Americans are not standing in line to trade their Vettes in for the Volgas and Trabants.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:53 PM (anj39)
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: John Travolta at January 07, 2023 09:54 PM (DhOHl)
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 09:47 PM (geLO
Gesundheit...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 07, 2023 09:55 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2023 09:42 PM (anj39)
Because they howl at night to communicate with other pack members during hunting. They do not typically hunt during the day.
Posted by: clutch at January 07, 2023 09:55 PM (9UmRs)
Mrs.D called it a wolf moon. This begs the question... If wolves howl at the moon, why don't they howl at the sun?
Posted by: Diogenes
That's hot.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2023 09:59 PM (z3dR5)
cuz they were up all nite, howling
Posted by: DB - you know my name at January 07, 2023 10:00 PM (geLO8)
Anyway, I didn't see the movie, and when the books were hot, I refused to read them, because I was afraid they would gloss over what really causes interests in BDSM. So a few years after they came out, I read all three. They did not gloss over what causes an interest.
In the main character's case, his interest really was caused by his mother dying when he was 4 years old, and he was alone with her for a few days until they were found, so he went without for those days. Also, I believe her drug dealer had come into the apartment and left them.
So then he's adopted by a well-off family.
In the books, the conflict is: she's normal and wants marriage and a family. He's a control freak and safety nut because of how his mom died and not interested in normal relationships. So, how do they end up married. It's the journey to get there.
Books were okay. Not great. But at least they didn't pretend trauma wasn't the basis of the interest. I have friends that suffered trauma as very young children and they have these issues, so I didn't want to read any books that said they were "born that way."
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