McCarthy Loses A 5th Vote (And Now A 6th) For Speaker: How Long Will He Drag This Out?

McCarthy ain't the guy. It's pretty clear that even if he wins he will be hobbled by the lack of consensus and the surprising amount of push-back against his speakership. He (and McConnell) blew a huge opportunity in the 2022 midterm elections, and just for that he should be sent packing. Add his cozy connections to K Street and the oceans of lobbyist money and we arrive at a GOPe apparatchik who will simply manage our descent into 3rd World status.

Dump him, and choose someone with at least some intestinal fortitude and a political philosophy that doesn't hinge on his own bank accounts and connections.

Lauren Boebert: Trump Needs to Tell Kevin McCarthy to Bow Out of Speaker Race

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) said on Wednesday that former President Donald Trump should tell House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to withdraw his bid for speaker.
"Let's stop with the campaign smears and tactics to get people to turn against us, even having my favorite president call us and tell us we need to knock this off. I think this actually needs to be reversed. The president needs to call Kevin McCarthy that, 'Sir, you do not have the votes and it's time to withdraw.'"

Boebert has her own agenda, and too much of this sort of stuff is posturing for the future. But who is the best choice? No guesses here, but I wish that Trump hadn't entered into the fray. McCarthy will take his support (if that is worth anything) but never be loyal to Trump or Trumpism, so what's the point?

Posted by: CBD at 06:15 PM

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1 Foist?

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 04, 2023 06:16 PM (SJsWC)

2 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 04, 2023 06:17 PM (T4tVD)

3 Dammit.

Posted by: Live Long and Pay yer Taxes at January 04, 2023 06:17 PM (TqMSU)

4 Dinner at the Luntz's should be interesting tonight.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 04, 2023 06:17 PM (PiwSw)

5 I WANNA BE SHPFEAKER!!!!

Posted by: Fetterman's Lump at January 04, 2023 06:18 PM (AD14M)

6 McCarthy ain't the guy.
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This.

The need a better reason for leadership qualifications than "It's my turn."

Posted by: Imotep at January 04, 2023 06:18 PM (kOpft)

7 Dems may get smart and vote for him. It would actually be a win for them on many levels.

Posted by: I have an idea at January 04, 2023 06:18 PM (dnjPu)

8 I agree with whoever it was on an earlier thread that said the goal of Gaetz, Boebert et al. is to force more concessions from McCarthy, not to replace him--or at least, that that was their initial goal. But if this deadlock continues, at some point people are going to decide a different leader needs to be chosen.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM (jGGMD)

9 McCarthy will take his support (if that is worth anything) but never be loyal to Trump or Trumpism, so what's the point?

So he can claim a win either way. Strategery.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM (IyrhE)

10 So..who is the Guy?

Posted by: redchief at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM (i07BX)

11 It doesn't make any difference. IF we did get a strong conservative leader then the eGOP squishes would defect anyway.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM (tA1/w)

12 Frank, Frank, I need your love.

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy at January 04, 2023 06:20 PM (a4EWo)

13 Worst McCarthy ever on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at January 04, 2023 06:20 PM (4fYsM)

14 McCarthy has finely groomed hair. I mean, his coif is exquisite, like Mitt Romney's. Locks like these are seldom seen off the silver screen. I think we owe him the gavel.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 06:20 PM (ppBhU)

15 I am waiting for someone to throw their eyepatch into the ring.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2023 06:21 PM (CsVWE)

16 Watching the early death throes of the GOP.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 04, 2023 06:21 PM (Q4IgG)

17 Dems may get smart and vote for him. It would actually be a win for them on many levels.
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Plus it's practice for how he'd pass legislation for the rest of the term.

Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2023 06:21 PM (kOpft)

18 Watching the early death throes of the GOP.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 04, 2023 06:21 PM (Q4IgG)

And America

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 06:21 PM (Irn0L)

19 Read on one other political blogs he is losing votes now

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 06:22 PM (xhxe8)

20 McCarthy Fails Again on Ballot Number Six, House in Recess Until 8:00pm ET

https://tinyurl.com/2p86cvuv

So is it five or six ballots?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 04, 2023 06:22 PM (9fLxS)

21 McCarthy has finely groomed hair. I mean, his coif is exquisite, like Mitt Romney's. Locks like these are seldom seen off the silver screen. I think we owe him the gavel.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 06:20 PM (ppBhU)

Turns out to be the truth a helluva lot more than it should.

The reason my ex voted for Clinton/Gore a thousand years ago.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (cknjq)

22 Why do we need another California Speaker from the spiraling drain that it is?

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (xhxe8)

23 Kev, the fishnet stockings are only for closers.

*flounces off*

Posted by: Frank Luntz at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (PiwSw)

24 Mr. McCarthy, you have sat here too long for any good you have been doing lately … In the name of God go.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (Wnv9h)

25 Chip Roy just now on Fox. He will vote for McCarthy if he agrees to the demands of the Gaetz group which seem to be somewhat fluid.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

26 20 McCarthy Fails Again on Ballot Number Six, House in Recess Until 8:00pm ET

https://tinyurl.com/2p86cvuv

So is it five or six ballots?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 04, 2023 06:22 PM (9fLxS)

6 - 6th vote was identical to 5th vote.

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (exHjb)

27 Read on one other political blogs he is losing votes now
Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 06:22 PM (xhxe

Knowing when and what to give is in important leadership skill. McCarthy has shown he ain't got it.

Posted by: Catherine at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (ZSsrh)

28 Wonder who polled the membership for this fiasco?

Why is Luntz's face dripping sweat?

Posted by: Regular joe at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (nnp+f)

29 "MY TURN" is unbecoming. It's not his *turn* that's why there is a vote.
A compromise conservative speaker is all the can be hoped for because Mr. C. is done.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:24 PM (2dci9)

30 Kevin needs to change his name to Todd

Posted by: Sock Monkey * what cost, your life at January 04, 2023 06:24 PM (tnmZP)

31 Who is Byron Donalds?

Posted by: Zombie Alex Trebek at January 04, 2023 06:24 PM (ojBxe)

32 It's Toobsday, 43rd of Taco, 7183 and McCarthy's well preserved reanimated head has lost its one billionth vote for speaker of the house.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 06:24 PM (P69fT)

33 Why is Luntz's face dripping sweat?

That's not sweat.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 06:24 PM (ppBhU)

34 Related, like a first-cousins marriage:

Rob Reiner @robreiner · 2h
Mr. Trump, you know you’re power is wasting away when, on the House floor, Lauren Boebert tells you to stuff it.
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Did Lauren tell him to stuff it?
Posted by: JoeF.
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Not exactly it appears.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (Vwz3I)

35 Is it Kevin's turn, was he guaranteed the spot by something he did or sacrificed?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (xhaym)

36 McCarthy would step aside if he had any integrity. This is his chance to shine.

Posted by: fd at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (iayUP)

37 Posted by: redchief at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM

I'll be trying your sous vide chuck recipe this weekend. Thanks for the details on the Food Thread!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (Wnv9h)

38 It doesn't make any difference. IF we did get a strong conservative leader then the eGOP squishes would defect anyway.
Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM

Who or what ever becomes the speaker is effectively a eunuch for the next 2 years. McConnell killed any House actions with the latest omnibus bill for 2023 and 2024 is an election year. Only Democrat priorities get funded during election years.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (PX01u)

39 2 issues (there may be more) are:
Release the J6 transcripts and
Stop the megabucks to Ukraine
Am I right?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (jTmQV)

40 I wouldn't count McCarthy out yet. The entire conference will be discussing this before the next vote. Some of the 202 other members are starting to contact the holdouts and telling them to make a deal. Roy just said he believes they can negotiate an agreement.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 04, 2023 06:26 PM (pIKd9)

41 Knowing when and what to give is in important leadership skill. McCarthy has shown he ain't got it.
Posted by: Catherine at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM (ZSsrh)
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This. He's toast. As CBD pointed out, even if he somehow squeaked into the speakership, he's damaged goods now. He's our answer to Liz Truss.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:26 PM (dBq3T)

42 Uh uh. I know what you're thinking. "Did he lose six ballots or only five?" Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

Posted by: Kevin 'Dirty Harry' McCarthy at January 04, 2023 06:26 PM (4I/2K)

43
The reason my ex voted for Clinton/Gore a thousand years ago.
Posted by: weirdflunky
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My SIL voted for Clinton because, 'He's so good-looking'.

I had no idea how to respond to that, in any civil fashion.

Posted by: Loretta Lynch at January 04, 2023 06:26 PM (GxhRW)

44 These blankety-blank suckers are only true to themselves. We need to be rid of all of them.

Posted by: TecumsehTea-not a resident troll at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (BjGT6)

45 Off topic, but did Boehner do a good job keeping government spending down?

Aside from all the weeping, did he actually hold back any government spending?

Posted by: EFG at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (Ae67h)

46 31 Who is Byron Donalds?
Posted by: Zombie Alex Trebek at January 04, 2023 06:24 PM (ojBxe)

The guy we'd be geniuses to actually select, b/c then we'd take the "1st" issue away from Dems, while also knifing the GOPe...so we won't...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (exHjb)

47 Related, like a first-cousins marriage:

Rob Reiner @robreiner · 2h
Mr. Trump, you know you’re power is wasting away when, on the House floor, Lauren Boebert tells you to stuff it.
======
Did Lauren tell him to stuff it?
Posted by: JoeF.

Who is this pitiful actor who speaks to us as if we needed his opinion?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (Wnv9h)

48 McCarthy needs to go for simply refusing to negotiate with his own party. Somebody this stupid must not have the power he wants.

Yet I'm sure he had plans for collegiality with the Dems.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (3JfbU)

49 Who is the alternative ?

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (V13WU)

50 McCarthy has to remove hisself.

Or someone should step up and punch his lights out on the floor of Da House and tell him to take his faggot ass home.

Some people just need an ass beating to get the message across.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (R/m4+)

51 "My SIL voted for Clinton because, 'He's so good-looking'."

This is one way I know I'm still not gay.

Posted by: fd at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (iayUP)

52 Oy.

I reckon recess means get good and liquored up.

Guess I'll go over here for a while *points vaguely thataway*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (UQUAY)

53 No, seriously, who else is interested ?

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (V13WU)

54 Rob Reiner @robreiner · 2h
Mr. Trump, you know you’re power is wasting away when, on the House floor, Lauren Boebert tells you to stuff it.
______________

How many times has that ^%$#@!@er Reiner been told to stuff it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (dBq3T)

55 Memo to McCarthy - the writing is on the wall, BYTCH! You aint DA MAN!

Memo to Crenshaw - STFU and STFD!

Posted by: Pimp Daddy Welfare at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (U6/z9)

56 "I had no idea how to respond to that, in any civil fashion."

Probably "I had no idea you had such... interesting... taste in men" is about the best one could do.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 04, 2023 06:29 PM (u9m02)

57 I love this! the gope is in the proverbial sticky wicket, because if they decide to enlist demorat votes to elect McCarthy, the entire pantomime will be blown up and anyone inclined to vote anti-demorat will finally realize there is no point to a Republican party anymore.

bwahahaha

Posted by: kallisto at January 04, 2023 06:29 PM (mN9IM)

58 Trade ya 125 crenshaws for 1 boebert?

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2023 06:29 PM (0OP+5)

59
I'll be trying your sous vide chuck recipe this weekend. Thanks for the details on the Food Thread!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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I don't like the sound of this...

Posted by: King Charlie at January 04, 2023 06:29 PM (fjfub)

60 Dump him, and choose someone with at least some intestinal fortitude and a political philosophy that doesn't hinge on his own bank accounts and connections.
++++
That's too much to ask for.

But someone willing to hitch his bank accounts and connections network to successfully representing the vast base that is sick of the Uniparty would be fine.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:30 PM (t0OGg)

61 I guarantee you that having over 200 votes is keeping McCarthy running and I can't blame him. You have a very small faction ( who I support) against him . If it was closer to 20% I could see it producing the pressure needed . Admittedly if they can't increase their numbers I think McCarthy and his allies will look at them only as a fringe outlier and never give up.

Posted by: polynikes at January 04, 2023 06:30 PM (8rSKd)

62 How many times does the GOP leadership need to be smacked to realize they are... worthless?

Let's go for 20 votes...

Fuck them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 04, 2023 06:30 PM (Q4IgG)

63 Patches, we're NOT depending on you, son.

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 06:30 PM (Ed8Zd)

64 The negotiating amendments to the House rules as we speak. This will be good in the long run. Might make the slight R majority more effective.

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 06:31 PM (V13WU)

65 Here I come to save the day!

Posted by: Underdog at January 04, 2023 06:31 PM (4I/2K)

66 Luntz: I am only going to give up the ass for a Speaker, Kevin.

McCarthy: NOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2023 06:31 PM (CsVWE)

67 "My SIL voted for Clinton because, 'He's so good-looking'."
_____________

The problem with the 19th Amendment in a nutshell. Some women think that men will vote for an attractive woman out of misplaced lust, but it doesn't work that way.

Men want to protect (and bonk) attractive women, not be protected by them, which is emasculating. Male and female psychology differ fundamentally in this respect.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:31 PM (dBq3T)

68 KMac must be up to his eyeballs in seriously powerful people looking for the political payback he "could" give them as Speaker.

Kinda like Hillary was expected to do.

Otherwise, dude wtf? Self respect

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 04, 2023 06:31 PM (cknjq)

69 61 I guarantee you that having over 200 votes is keeping McCarthy running and I can't blame him. You have a very small faction ( who I support) against him . If it was closer to 20% I could see it producing the pressure needed . Admittedly if they can't increase their numbers I think McCarthy and his allies will look at them only as a fringe outlier and never give up.
Posted by: polynikes at January 04, 2023 06:30 PM (8rSKd)

He risks having them vote present and handing the gavel to the Ds...either side could do it, so it's a Mexican stand-off b/c they all know they lose their seats in 2024 if a D gets the gavel...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (exHjb)

70 F#ck me!

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (9mhOz)

71 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?

Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)

72 Who is the alternative ?
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There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them.

Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (kOpft)

73 Is it Kevin's turn, was he guaranteed the spot by something he did or sacrificed?
Posted by: Kindltot at January 04, 2023 06:25 PM (xhaym)
++++
Yes. He earned that job by holding anyone at bay who isn't down with the Uniparty. He's been sacrificing House Republicans like Gaetz to the wolves and kneecapping any MAGA or MAGA-curious candidate he thought he could get away with. He linked up tightly with McConnell and Romney to coordinate a power play to kick any non-Uniparty force out of the GOP. He expects to be paid for his work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (t0OGg)

74 Let it burn. Fuck these assholes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (lYbrt)

75 Knowing when and what to give is in important leadership skill.

He's not interested in leading, he's only there to take orders from Kalorama by way of Mitch the Bitch.
The only thing he's interested in leading is ways to punish patriots and constitutionalists.

Posted by: kallisto at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (mN9IM)

76 KMac must be up to his eyeballs in seriously powerful people looking for the political payback he "could" give them as Speaker.
Kinda like Hillary was expected to do.
Otherwise, dude wtf? Self respect
Posted by: weirdflunky at January 04, 2023 06:31 PM (cknjq)

Excellent point.

The man has no shame, no balls and no honor.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (R/m4+)

77 I guarantee you that having over 200 votes is keeping McCarthy running and I can't blame him. You have a very small faction ( who I support) against him . If it was closer to 20% I could see it producing the pressure needed . Admittedly if they can't increase their numbers I think McCarthy and his allies will look at them only as a fringe outlier and never give up.
Posted by: polynikes at January 04, 2023 06:30 PM (8rSKd)
++++
That would be an acceptable outcome. No House at all is fine.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (t0OGg)

78 That's no way to talk to my future replacement.

Posted by: Cornyn at January 04, 2023 06:34 PM (eXMnU)

79 This is one way I know I'm still not gay.
Posted by: fd at January 04, 2023 06:28 PM (iayUP)
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I cannot judge guys' looks at all. OK, I realize that Rob Lowe is good-looking, and the Duane Doberman wasn't, but anything in between ... nah. No clue.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:34 PM (dBq3T)

80 Watching the early death throes of the GOP.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

If the GOP dies , the Dems will devolve into a giant Burning Man bonfire party. They will dance around, howling incoherently to whatever little god they worship
It will culminate with ritual sacrifices, throwing whomever into the center of the circle while they all draw their guns and fire away

Posted by: Sock Monkey * what cost, your life at January 04, 2023 06:34 PM (tnmZP)

81 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy
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Barney Frank had Pyles.

Posted by: King Charlie at January 04, 2023 06:34 PM (fjfub)

82 McCarthy has a shutout going!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (dBq3T)

83 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)

You're a pioneer with speaker puns.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (lYbrt)

84 Just had a couple of beers with a neighbor who helped me with something. Says he's very political, listens to CNN all the time. Thinks Liz Cheney should be next speaker, he is a huge fan. I haven't been this gobsmacked in recent memory. I had no idea there were such people.

Posted by: Peaches at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (14URa)

85 >>There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them.

They've tried a couple so far. None have gotten more than 20 votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

86 Democracy in action !

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (V13WU)

87 72 Who is the alternative ?
-
There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them.

speaker of the house doesn't have to be a member of the house.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (v3pYe)

88 If the GOP dies , the Dems will devolve into a giant Burning Man bonfire party. They will dance around, howling incoherently to whatever little god they worship
It will culminate with ritual sacrifices, throwing whomever into the center of the circle while they all draw their guns and fire away
Posted by: Sock Monkey * what cost, your life at January 04, 2023 06:34 PM

I don't want to be in the circle!

Posted by: The Republic at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (Wnv9h)

89 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)

You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (lYbrt)

It's the advent of a new era.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (4I/2K)

90 You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (lYbrt)
++++
He landed with a Bang

and Olufsen

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (t0OGg)

91 He expects to be paid for his work.

He's getting paid alright, lolol

So now what is Derp State's move? They can't simultaneoulsy swat/doxx/release oppo on 20 republican congressmen at once and still maintain plausible deniability.

If I were McCarthy I'd be looking over my shoulder, furrill furrill.

Posted by: kallisto at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (mN9IM)

92 Ha ha.
- nelson muntz

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (3CCua)

93 so it's a Mexican stand-off
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[insert The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Mexican stand-off here with the cat looking around spliced in meme here]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (Vwz3I)

94 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy
______________

Memo to Kevin McCarthy: we need a woofer, not a tweeter.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (dBq3T)

95 speaker of the house doesn't have to be a member of the house.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (v3pYe)

Yeah, let's go there, that'll speed things up. {eyeroll}

Posted by: Peaches at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (14URa)

96 Who is the alternative ?
-
There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them.
Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (kOpft)

A random name from the Florida phonebook?

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (Ed8Zd)

97
If Kev had any honor or integrity, he would announce he obviously can't win the support of the majority of the caucus, so he will withdraw his name in favor of someone who can win a majority.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (Mzdiz)

98 Just caught a glimpse of the CBS Evening News. The Republicans are revolting!

Posted by: Javems at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (AmoqO)

99 GOPe has the most to lose right now, and I think they are starting to realize it when they had to continually get embarrassed by votes today (which was the 20s' plan)...

Thus, the backdoor chat now...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (exHjb)

100 I think the number of votes shows that McCarthy has not negotiated anything yet.

Or he's terrible at negotiating.

Either way it's a clear sign that he'd be a rotten speaker. On top of all the other signs.

Also that any deals would be worthless. It has to be someone else.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (JMPQm)

101 I don't want to be in the circle!
Posted by: The Republic at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (Wnv9h)
++++
Too late.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (t0OGg)

102 So what is The Hill that McCarthy is dying on here? What are the populist conservatives demanding of McCarthy that he will not yield? Or what is it that he is protecting so that it won't get exposed? Or who is he protecting so that people won't accidentally die?

Or is this as simple as an irretractable rebuke (justifiable to me) of McCarthy specifically for his performance to date?

Whatever, the process is proceeding as necessary and is a welcome development considering the rubberstamping cloakroom process we've been accustomed to not seeing. Just get it all out in the open and let a sliver of transparency sneak in.

And thank you, Mr. Crenshaw, for showing your ass. It's transparency like that that will spare us trying to decipher who you really are.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (aXxgO)

103 McCarthy Loses A 5th Vote For Speaker: How Long Will He Drag This Out?

- - - - -

That's the answer! McCarthy in drag.

Posted by: Marooned at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (w6hJ9)

104 He's severely heterosexual, I'll give him that.

Posted by: Corey Booker at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (sWM8x)

105 "They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)
You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory"

I'm going to horn in too!

Posted by: fd at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (iayUP)

106
LOL NBC nightly news is really scared.

Winning.

Posted by: Auspex at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (REL1l)

107 Okay, I'll come clean. I know Kevin, I know how much he wants this. He ain't quitting. I'd suggest a nice red wine and relax here.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (oWBc3)

108 Thus, the backdoor chat now...
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (exHjb)
+++++
Go on...

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy-Luntz at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (t0OGg)

109 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)

You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM

And he Sony just started!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (Wnv9h)

110 Just caught a glimpse of the CBS Evening News. The Republicans are revolting!
Posted by: Javems at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (AmoqO)

They stink on ice!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (4I/2K)

111 Just had a couple of beers with a neighbor who helped me with something. Says he's very political, listens to CNN all the time. Thinks Liz Cheney should be next speaker
Posted by: Peaches

Go back and check whatever he helped you with, twice.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (2dci9)

112 43 My SIL voted for Clinton because, 'He's so good-looking'.

my best friend in high school would have voted for jerry brown (not quite 18 at the time), because of the special effects he used in his speeches.

he also went to college in dallas, texas because dallas was his favorite tv show at the time.

currently retired and alternating between florida and maine with his husband.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (v3pYe)

113 6...The need a better reason for leadership qualifications than "It's my turn."
Posted by: Imotep at January 04, 2023 06:18 PM (kOpft)

Unfortunately, the gopE knows how to do nothing else. Oh, and graft. They know how to graft .

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 06:38 PM (Rbu5d)

114 There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them.

speaker of the house doesn't have to be a member of the house.

===

I see what you are getting at ...but I am busy at the moment. Besides, being a politicians sucks. So, no go for me !

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 06:38 PM (V13WU)

115 Fun Size Joe would make a great Speaker of the House, but he has standards.

Posted by: Weasel at January 04, 2023 06:38 PM (WoIMU)

116 Thus, the backdoor chat now...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (exHjb)

That is what should, and would, have happened last weekend. Regardless of my personal opprobrium, Kevin is clearly not that good at herding cats.

Posted by: Peaches at January 04, 2023 06:38 PM (14URa)

117 ... Or is this as simple as an irretractable rebuke (justifiable to me) of McCarthy specifically for his performance to date? ...
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (aXxgO)
++++
It is at least this, and this is enough. There might be more to it than this, but all of that is just icing on the cake.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:38 PM (t0OGg)

118 I cannot judge guys' looks at all. OK, I realize that Rob Lowe is good-looking, and the Duane Doberman wasn't, but anything in between ... nah. No clue.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Cary Grant. Of, course he was a suave dude. Otherwise, I have no idea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023 06:38 PM (GxhRW)

119 Democracy in action!
Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (V13WU)
_____________
Democracy inaction!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:39 PM (dBq3T)

120 22 Why do we need another California Speaker from the spiraling drain that it is?
Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 06:23 PM
Exactly.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2023 06:39 PM (0OP+5)

121 McCarthy is the go-along-to-get-along RINO politician that has empowered the left since, oh, the Sixties not counting the Reagan interlude.

Posted by: jerry jay carroll at January 04, 2023 06:39 PM (4hOWY)

122 Can't move Democratic priorities if you can't start a single bill in the House...

Just sayin'...call your Congressman and tell them to "keep it closed" til McCarthy takes himself off the ballot...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:39 PM (exHjb)

123 Ooops... I don't think phonebooks exist anymore.

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 06:39 PM (Ed8Zd)

124 That would be an acceptable outcome. No House at all is fine.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Belgium was without a government for 2 years. I think we can do it too.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (2dci9)

125 Went to the bank today and got some cash all in 100 bills.
One felt like plastic and was marked "motion picture purposes" on the front and "in props we trust" on the back.
Felt like plastic too.
The teller stuttered, stammered and tried to not take it back. Little did she know.

Always check your cash you get, even from a bank.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (R/m4+)

126 Just had a couple of beers with a neighbor who helped me with something. Says he's very political, listens to CNN all the time. Thinks Liz Cheney should be next speaker
Posted by: Peaches

Go back and check whatever he helped you with, twice.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (2dci9)

Take inventory of your silverware.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (lYbrt)

127 Methos: "There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them."

There's also a pool of, say, a hundred million citizens in the United States. Surely there's at least one person capable of the position.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (aXxgO)

128 We demand McCarthy he's already paid for.

Posted by: DC Lobbyists at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (eXMnU)

129 On a structural level, I fail to see that it's "embarrassing" and "political suicide" for a political party to have a genuine debate about who should be leader of the one body of government it's about to control --aside from the fact that McCarthy is a rat-fink bastard who sold us out every chance he could.

Posted by: Zek at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (lcQJG)

130 I just got here but thought they were up to 6?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (Y+l9t)

131 Yeah, let's go there, that'll speed things up. {eyeroll}
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Why speed anything up?

Thanks to the omnibus (who voted for that , again?), the House has no power until October.

Posted by: Methos at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (kOpft)

132 34
Rob Reiner is not only a putz, he's a stupid putz.

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (Rbu5d)

133 I'd love to see Byron Donalds as Speaker, it won't happen though, GOP is not that smart.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (a4EWo)

134 I believe one of two things will happen (assuming that the Dems don't vote for him):

1. Eventually only 19 will vote against him. He's in. The opposition will collapse.
2. Eventually 21 will vote against him. He's toast. They can pretend as long as they want but more and more of the "loyal" uniparty Pubs will abandon him.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (1Z8zZ)

135 Belgium was without a government for 2 years. I think we can do it too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (2dci9)
++++
I suspect Belgium automatically funds its welfare state, then. We would make it until October until the money runs out and then there's blind panic to reopen by any means necessary to get the welfare state and military funded.

We've "government shutdowns" before, but never as a downstream effect of parliamentary procedure. It would be fascinating to see.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (t0OGg)

136 This really encapsulates the party now doesn't it.

The GOPe may not like it but they are going to have to give concessions.

We have never had a multi party system but the fracture in our party makes us more of a coalition than a party.

Coalitions give and get concessions.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (JMPQm)

137
Cary Grant is the only one who could speak with that old, contrived "Mid-Atlantic" accent without sounding like a pompous twit.

That's how Cary Grant talks, and its cool. Anybody, else, no.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (Mzdiz)

138 Chip Roy.

Kari Lake.

Donald Trump.

All better than the Californian

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (Ed8Zd)

139 Boffo's cock holster is back.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (lYbrt)

140 Belgium was without a government for 2 years. I think we can do it too.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (2dci9)

Don't bring me into this!

Posted by: Belgian Peaches at January 04, 2023 06:42 PM (14URa)

141 Take our virus-ridden planes from China or else . . .

Posted by: China at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM (9mhOz)

142 McCarthy Loses A 5th Vote For Speaker: How Long Will He Drag This Out?

- - - - -

That's the answer! McCarthy in drag.
Posted by: Marooned at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (w6hJ9)

At 8pm when the session reconvenes, he'll come out in Ethel Merman drag and start singing There's No Business Like Show Business. It'll be fabulous.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM (BdMk6)

143 128 Methos: "There's 200+ other members of the GOP caucus. Pick one of them."

There's also a pool of, say, a hundred million citizens in the United States. Surely there's at least one person capable of the position.

tanned, rested, and ready

Posted by: trigglypuff at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM (v3pYe)

144 47...
Who is this pitiful actor who speaks to us as if we needed his opinion?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:27 PM (Wnv9h)

You're on twits and your replied with that, right? Right?
Please say you did.

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM (Rbu5d)

145 Felt like plastic too.
The teller stuttered, stammered and tried to not take it back. Little did she know.

Always check your cash you get, even from a bank.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at

...

Yes, FBI? My bank just passed me counterfeit money. Yes, I can hand the phone to the teller.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (JMPQm)

146 If they come out at 8pm, it means he thinks he has the votes. If they adjourn til tomorrow, he knows he doesn't.

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (exHjb)

147 "They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)
You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory"

I'm going to horn in too!
Posted by: fd

All the super tweeters will be high about McCarthy all night.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (2dci9)

148 From the sidebar, did that a**hole Crenshaw actually call his colleagues (in his own supposed party!) terrorists for not voting the way he wants? Omg, if ever there was a crystalline moment forming...

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (sVtYq)

149 If Kev had any honor or integrity, he would announce he obviously can't win the support of the majority of the caucus, so he will withdraw his name in favor of someone who can win a majority.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (Mzdiz)
______________

You can smell his desperation on the other side of the country.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (dBq3T)

150 At 8pm when the session reconvenes, he'll come out in Ethel Merman drag and start singing There's No Business Like Show Business. It'll be fabulous.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM (BdMk6)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZdqsCW8vM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (Irn0L)

151 On a structural level, I fail to see that it's "embarrassing" and "political suicide" for a political party to have a genuine debate about who should be leader of the one body of government it's about to control --aside from the fact that McCarthy is a rat-fink bastard who sold us out every chance he could.
Posted by: Zek at January 04, 2023 06:40 PM (lcQJG)
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The reason it's so dangerous is because of that last point you made.

This is a political party at war with itself over whether or not to consider the possibility of appeasing its own base with a mid-value scalp thrown to them. McCarthy is moderate value. Nothing more. He's not McConnell. He's a power player but he's not irreplaceable. There are plenty of other cucked-out, tucked-under Uniparty drones they could put into place and operate just fine - but they don't want to do that. They want the base to get *nothing.*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (t0OGg)

152 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)

You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

a 7th vote will just put the Beats down on him.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (3CCua)

153 We don't need another hero.

Posted by: Tina at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (4I/2K)

154 OrangeMan Bad!!!!!

Posted by: NPC_00000101 at January 04, 2023 06:45 PM (a3Q+t)

155 there's nothing wrong with DC that a couple of sleazy deals in a smoke filled room wont cure

Posted by: REDACTED at January 04, 2023 06:45 PM (us2H3)

156 You're on twits and your replied with that, right? Right?
Please say you did.
Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM

Sorry. Not on the twatter. Feel free to borrow it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:45 PM (Wnv9h)

157 They need a speaker, so have they tried Bose or Klipsch?
Posted by: Pure Energy at January 04, 2023 06:32 PM (5Ts23)

You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

a 7th vote will just put the Beats down on him.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM

I'm publishing this on social media.

Posted by: Tweeter at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (a3Q+t)

158

Awaiting the Garland Merrick press conference announcing action against 21 Rethuglican "congresspeople" monsters for their attack on our democracy.

Worse than Jan. 6 as it's shaping up.

Posted by: Auspex at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (YpCAy)

159 At this point I would say anybody and I mean anybody but McCarthy. A dude who wants it that bad will not be good for anybody else. Especially the plebes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (8GBH4)

160 McCarthy Loses A 5th Vote For Speaker: How Long Will He Drag This Out?

- - - - -

That's the answer! McCarthy in drag.
Posted by: Marooned at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (w6hJ9)

At 8pm when the session reconvenes, he'll come out in Ethel Merman drag and start singing There's No Business Like Show Business. It'll be fabulous.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2023 06:43 PM (BdMk6)
______________

And he'll announce his engagement to Frank Luntz.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (dBq3T)

161
You can smell his desperation on the other side of the country.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Also, mendacity.

Posted by: Big Daddy at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (Qq7oc)

162 We don't need another hero.

Posted by: Tina at January

More NFT cards?

Posted by: Trump at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (eXMnU)

163 If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.

Posted by: Joy Behar at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (sWM8x)

164 We don't need another hero.
Posted by: Tina
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Pig shit makes government work!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 04, 2023 06:47 PM (Vwz3I)

165

Has anyone in the Houſe seriously considered nominating Trump himself??

If not, let it all burn!

Posted by: Zettai at January 04, 2023 06:47 PM (O3HvQ)

166 Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (sVtYq)

Yes. That is a direct quotation. Click on the link and you can hear it for yourself.

Fuck Crenshaw. He is a coward and a cuck and a backstabber.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 06:47 PM (XIJ/X)

167 159 At this point I would say anybody and I mean anybody but McCarthy. A dude who wants it that bad will not be good for anybody else. Especially the plebes.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 04, 2023 06:46 PM (8GBH4)
___________

My thought as well. I invoke the HOA rule: never select an HOA president who actually wants the job. You're looking for someone who reluctantly agrees to be drafted.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:47 PM (dBq3T)

168 We don't need another hero.
Posted by: Tina at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM

I'm holding out for a gyro.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (Wnv9h)

169 Okay fine. I'll do it. I will be the speaker of the house. But I don't want that silly gavel. I want a sledge-o-matic! What will I do with it? Fuck around and find out!

We're gonna need another representative over here!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (Wy1BU)

170 Pick a non Congressman, there is a nice woman in Arizona without a job

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (xhxe8)

171 Chip Roy.

Kari Lake.

Donald Trump.

All better than the Californian

Posted by: LASue

It's Dwayne Johnson or bust!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (2dci9)

172 How Long Will He Drag This Out?

Till pride month.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (1gJuC)

173 Fuck Crenshaw. He is a coward and a cuck and a backstabber.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 06:47 PM (XIJ/X)

Crenshaw is a Ryan-level disappointment. Perhaps even worse, having (seemingly) further to fall.

Posted by: Belgian Peaches at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (14URa)

174 Now we see what Mittens meant when he said he didn’t trust the house republicans. This is also why they jammed the omnibus through. Dicks.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (u73oe)

175 87...speaker of the house doesn't have to be a member of the house.
Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM (v3pYe)

CHUY FOR SPEAKER!

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (Rbu5d)

176 Newt! Newt! Newt! Newt!

Posted by: Zek at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (lcQJG)

177 Fuck Crenshaw. He is a coward and a cuck and a backstabber.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 06:47 PM

Faggot...

You left out 'faggot'...

Posted by: Zettai at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (O3HvQ)

178 Tanned, rested, and fabulous!

Posted by: Sarah Palin at January 04, 2023 06:49 PM (4I/2K)

179 Voting present to lower the threshold? Classic GOPe move. Principled only with regard to blurring the contrast between their liberal voting records and the fact they represent red districts.

Hold the line. Expose them. If it means the tge GOPe delivers Nancy Pelosi 2.0 so be it. We should’ve formed our own party in 2010. We ended up taking the lumps, anyway.

Posted by: Cooldawg at January 04, 2023 06:49 PM (FvNw3)

180 I'm not exactly Nostradamus but I predict trouble for this mother.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sPo-af9vKk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 06:49 PM (FVME7)

181 Yet another scalp, yet another scalp. Whether it's Boehner or Paul Ryan or then McCarthy, Scalise would just be next and we all know it.

Have you stopped to look at and weigh this observation, Dan? Have you paused a moment to consider *why* these people are so wildly hated by the base that you ostensibly represent?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:50 PM (t0OGg)

182 This is a political party at war with itself over whether or not to consider the possibility of appeasing its own base with a mid-value scalp thrown to them. McCarthy is moderate value. Nothing more. He's not McConnell. He's a power player but he's not irreplaceable. There are plenty of other cucked-out, tucked-under Uniparty drones they could put into place and operate just fine - but they don't want to do that. They want the base to get *nothing.*

I would be somewhat less pessimistic if both McCarthy and McDaniel are jettisoned.

I just watched Jim Jordan give a speech in which he lambasted the recent $1.7T giveaway and said it must never happen again. McCarthy stood for the resulting ovation.

You hypocritical, weak, maundering little cipher.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 06:50 PM (eOEVl)

183
I'm publishing this on social media.
Posted by: Tweeter

wait for his air buds. some of them are noise (constituent) canceling so he doesn't have to listen to the whinging

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 04, 2023 06:50 PM (3CCua)

184 Crenshaw is just pissed cuz he's only got one aye to give to Kevin

Posted by: REDACTED at January 04, 2023 06:51 PM (us2H3)

185 I also fail to see Jim Jordan as the savior-who-never was. He's pretty good compared to the rest of them but also seems pretty incapable of drawing definite, actionable conclusions from the worst abuses of power by the Democrats other than to find things "concerning" and "alarming" and promising "full investigations."

Posted by: Zek at January 04, 2023 06:51 PM (lcQJG)

186 Levin is baffled apparently that the Freedom Caucus members want committee assignments.

There's obtuse, and then there's that.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 04, 2023 06:51 PM (IyrhE)

187 Yes, FBI? My bank just passed me counterfeit money. Yes, I can hand the phone to the teller.
Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 06:44 PM (JMPQm)
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Isn't the Secret Service charged with dealing with counterfeit money?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 06:51 PM (BpYfr)

188 Chip Roy.

Kari Lake.

Donald Trump.

All better than the Californian

Posted by: LASue

It's Dwayne Johnson or bust!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (2dci9)
_____________

Hell, HANK Johnson would be better than the Californian.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:52 PM (dBq3T)

189 speaker of the house doesn't have to be a member of the house

Borat . For some reason I think that would piss Zelensky off. I would rather piss on Zelensky but I'll take what I can get

Posted by: Sock Monkey * what cost, your life at January 04, 2023 06:52 PM (tnmZP)

190 I definitely would rather have an actual Conservative as Speaker setting the agenda and House rules. No matter who the Speaker is, there's a couple handfuls of squishy RINOs who will vote with the Democrats when it matters most, so it's hard to care about whether the Speaker has "consensus".

Now if we can get Trump to open his eyes about what McCarthy actually is, that'd be great.

My greatest fear about this is that 25 or so McCarthy voters will switch their vote to Jeffries rather than have an actual Conservative as Speaker. In fact, I'm afraid this is the real end game, with McCarthy playing the "if I can't have it, ain't no Republican will have it" card.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 06:52 PM (Ebr2D)

191 trigglypuff: "tanned, rested, and ready"

Sorry. Escapees of insane asylums are in the other ledger.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 06:52 PM (aXxgO)

192 Townhall.com@townhallcom
BIDEN: "Think about why the recession got so bad two years ago..."

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[Waves hand in the air] I know! I know! Call on me!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 06:52 PM (FVME7)

193 It's important that we win this now. We picked the fight, the gloves are off, and it can't be another fatiguing defeat. If nothing more, one of these bastards needs to realize he can't hold a position endlessly and corruptly, flaunting his contempt for the people, and not face at least the consequence of losing it. This has been a worthwhile exercise in exposing the hateful, self-serving cronyistic rot among the GOP elite, but we need to get through the shitstorm with a victory, as symbolic as it may be.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 04, 2023 06:52 PM (H8QX8)

194 a real plus for Donalds is Mitch and Brandon have no idea who the fuck he is

Posted by: REDACTED at January 04, 2023 06:53 PM (us2H3)

195 The odd thing is the the GOPe would get most to nearly all of what they want by allowing s freedom caucus speaker.

That speaker would have zero power without the establishment and therefore would tread extremely lightly.

The reverse is that the freedom caucus only has veto power. It's great to see them weild it. But it would end after the speaker vote as the establishment would put forward bills moderately acceptable to Dems and would pull enough votes to pass them without the FC.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 06:53 PM (JMPQm)

196 Alex Stein for speaker.

Posted by: Here, let me help at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (eXMnU)

197

A federal judge has slashed millions of dollars from the damages a jury ordered white nationalist leaders and organizations to pay for their role in the violence that erupted during the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville in 2017.

U.S. District Judge Norman Moon ordered the $24 million in punitive damages reduced to $350,000, the cap imposed under a Virginia law. Moon upheld the $2 million in compensatory damages awarded by the jury in November 2021.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (63Dwl)

198 Finally some GOP representatives are actually trying to take on the Deep Swamp. McCarthy will just be another surrender monkey to the communist death democrats and will once again tell we the majority voter base to fuck off and die. We cannot accept the status quo any longer as our Country implodes on a daily basis due to the treasonous and brutal actions of the communist death democrats and their republican allies in Congress.

By the way once again President Trump demonstrates his most glaring weakness in his choice of people to place in positions of trust or back in Congress who always betray him and stab him in the back at every opportunity. He sure hasn't learned his lesson. Wray, Barr, Pence, etc.

He is dead wrong backing McCarthy.

Posted by: Junius at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (ZAerh)

199 I nominate Clarence Thomas to be speaker

Posted by: REDACTED at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (us2H3)

200 My greatest fear about this is that 25 or so McCarthy voters will switch their vote to Jeffries rather than have an actual Conservative as Speaker. In fact, I'm afraid this is the real end game, with McCarthy playing the "if I can't have it, ain't no Republican will have it" card.

Why would they? They can just hold firm, and say "we need to find another Republican, someone more conservative".

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 06:55 PM (eOEVl)

201 As long as this goes on, laws taking away our money and our liberty are not being passed.

I want this to go on forever.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 04, 2023 06:55 PM (yQpMk)

202 As CBD said Trump should kept his opinion private. NO need to , in all caps, to support Kevin The Weasel so emphatically and so publicly.

Trump is in one hell of a slump lately.

And fcuk Kevin in particular.

Posted by: Voter theater. at January 04, 2023 06:55 PM (T6L0l)

203 By the way once again President Trump demonstrates his most glaring weakness in his choice of people to place in positions of trust or back in Congress who always betray him and stab him in the back at every opportunity. He sure hasn't learned his lesson. Wray, Barr, Pence, etc.

He is dead wrong backing McCarthy.

I think this is the final nail in his campaign's coffin.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 06:56 PM (eOEVl)

204 weft cut-loop: "Levin is baffled apparently that the Freedom Caucus members want committee assignments."

Damn, Mark. A forward and a guard have just hoisted you on their shoulders and passed you the ball. Dunk it, ya big dummy!

Gah. Conservatives with, potentially, tangible power. WTH have you been preaching about your entire life?

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 06:56 PM (aXxgO)

205 Trump cannot see a parade without jumping in front of it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 04, 2023 06:57 PM (yQpMk)

206 maybe Kevin shoulda thought about the downside of being an ass licker

like 15 years ago

Posted by: REDACTED at January 04, 2023 06:57 PM (us2H3)

207 Hell, HANK Johnson would be better than the Californian.
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Carpe Donktum🔹 @CarpeDonktum · 3h
I officially endorse the guy that thought guam would flip over for speaker of the house. At least he is bold and says what he believes.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 04, 2023 06:57 PM (Vwz3I)

208 *wanders in*

Maybe Trump wanted to give Kevin the kiss of death, his endorsement?

What do I know, am just a neko-grrl.

*wanders back out*

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2023 06:57 PM (1BLGl)

209 Isn't the Secret Service charged with dealing with counterfeit money?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

I believe so.
Do some research on intaglio printing and maybe 'super twenties' to attract their attention.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 06:57 PM (2dci9)

210 I'm listening to Mark Levin so the Horde doesn't have to.

He's now spent an entire hour of his show credulously repeating what is, to any thinking person, a blatant hit piece in Bloomberg that was clearly leaked by anonymous sources from the McCarthy camp accusing the holdouts of demanding committee chairmanships and other favors.

What an absolute clown this guy has become.

Posted by: ballistic at January 04, 2023 06:57 PM (oXNqT)

211 I don't like McCarthy, so I'm all on board with it being someone else, and especially making him sweat for it like this. With that said, why would he step out of the race when he is only 18 or so votes away, and anyone else is 200 votes away? The anti-McCarthy crowd is making a mistake here in thinking it is clear to everyone how that makes any sense at all.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (Gu48G)

212 My greatest fear about this is that 25 or so McCarthy voters will switch their vote to Jeffries rather than have an actual Conservative as Speaker. In fact, I'm afraid this is the real end game, with McCarthy playing the "if I can't have it, ain't no Republican will have it" card.
Posted by: Lieutenant Duh
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Speaker only has the power that that 218+ of the House members give him or her in the rules. You vote for Speaker first, then swear in members, and then comes voting on the House rules for the terms. While the Speaker is mentioned in the Constitution, the Constitution itself gives them no power beyond what members give them when passing the rules and regulations of the House.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (bDjBG)

213 The less the country does with Leftifornia the better off we will be

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (xhxe8)

214 The Babylon Bee has the best take "Republicans have highest rating ever as they bring Congress to a grinding halt".

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (11zNb)

215 lol, beaten by weft-cut-loop

Posted by: ballistic at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (oXNqT)

216 If PDTS is serious about Mac and is truly a King Maker, he'd do well to go on TV or meet with the holdouts and make a compelling case for his boy.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (TgNpw)

217 He is dead wrong backing McCarthy.
Posted by: Junius at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (ZAerh)
_____________

His political instincts suck. He could - and should - have kept his mouth shut until and unless he KNEW McCarthy had it in the bag.

This way he's breaking his teeth by getting involved, and pace that asshole Rob Reiner, Trump is proving that he doesn't have a lot of influence.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (dBq3T)

218 8 I agree with whoever it was on an earlier thread that said the goal of Gaetz, Boebert et al. is to force more concessions from McCarthy, not to replace him--or at least, that that was their initial goal. But if this deadlock continues, at some point people are going to decide a different leader needs to be chosen.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 04, 2023 06:19 PM (jGGMD)
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What's to stop him reneging on his concessions once elected?

Posted by: Ciampino - Partington for Inorganic Chem at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (qfLjt)

219 I don't like McCarthy, so I'm all on board with it being someone else, and especially making him sweat for it like this. With that said, why would he step out of the race when he is only 18 or so votes away, and anyone else is 200 votes away? The anti-McCarthy crowd is making a mistake here in thinking it is clear to everyone how that makes any sense at all.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (Gu48G)
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Because if he absolutely cannot close the gap, then it's an impasse. He might be only 20 votes away, but if those 20 will *not* move, ever (those votes are not portable), then there's no path victory. If McCarthy is not in the race at all, how many of his 200 are portable? Probably most of them. They'll vote for whichever cuck they're told to vote for.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (t0OGg)

220 It's quite telling McCarthy is willing to negotiate with the Democrats in order to get enough votes for Speaker ... but isn't willing to negotiate with the conservative members of his own caucus.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (TU8Tj)

221 With that said, why would he step out of the race when he is only 18 or so votes away, and anyone else is 200 votes away?

The number (as long as it's less than 21

doesn't matter. It's the momentum of which McCarthy has NONE. Someone else might be able to generate some.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (eOEVl)

222 Where's that list of demands HFC had? Did McCarthy agree to any of that? If he did can he take it all back after he gets the gavel?

Posted by: hurricane567 at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (FxkVi)

223 Trump cannot see a parade without jumping in front of it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

....

What is DeSantis' move here? Do nothing is safe but I would love for him to come out against McCarthy and make this a campaign point.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (JMPQm)

224 They're playing three dimensional chess.

The Babylon Bee@TheBabylonBee
Republican Approval Rating At Record High After Bringing Congress To Grinding Halt

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (FVME7)

225 Kevin "Landslide" McCarthy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (dBq3T)

226 Cary Grant is the only one who could speak with that old, contrived "Mid-Atlantic" accent without sounding like a pompous twit.

That's how Cary Grant talks, and its cool. Anybody, else, no.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (Mzdiz)

Juliet Anderson did the accent OK

Posted by: Kindltot at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (xhaym)

227 McCarthy gets all the votes at 8PM he will have no credibility. Donalds is the best route at this time.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (XCZ3Z)

228 If he did can he take it all back after he gets the gavel?

Posted by: hurricane567 at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (FxkVi)

Please tell me that's a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Belgian Peaches at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (14URa)

229 What's to stop him reneging on his concessions once elected?

Posted by: Ciampino - Partington for Inorganic Chem at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (qfLjt)

They can vote as a block and stop literally anything McCarthy wants to do.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (XIJ/X)

230 Kevin "Landslide" McCarthy.

"You'll be hearing from my lawyers!" - Lyndon Banes Johnson

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (1BLGl)

231 What is DeSantis' move here? Do nothing is safe but I would love for him to come out against McCarthy and make this a campaign point.
Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 07:00 PM (JMPQm)
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No, he should stay out of this. Getting involved is a no-win proposition.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (dBq3T)

232 What is DeSantis' move here? Do nothing is safe but I would love for him to come out against McCarthy and make this a campaign point.

Agreed. The contrast with Trump would not be in Trump's favor.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (eOEVl)

233 It's sad there's only about 20 Republicans voting against McCarthy. I hope a bunch more grow a spine on the next vote and actually listen to what their constituents want.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (Ebr2D)

234 224 Horde mind

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (11zNb)

235 Nanzi ruled the chair with a iron hand, what she wanted went and didn't that got snuffed out

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (xhxe8)

236 maybe Kevin shoulda thought about the downside of being an ass licker
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The garrett approach might work best: "Kill yourself".

This view is endorsed by VDH, as a return to cruelty long needed in Republican politics.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (cbYYM)

237 OK, I 've had it. Who looks super good on TV ??

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (V13WU)

238 if there was a Hippocratic oath for politicians

Trump woulda already lost his license

just because theres an auction, you don't have to bid on every item

Posted by: REDACTED at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (us2H3)

239 210 I'm listening to Mark Levin so the Horde doesn't have to.

He's now spent an entire hour of his show credulously repeating what is, to any thinking person, a blatant hit piece in Bloomberg that was clearly leaked by anonymous sources from the McCarthy camp accusing the holdouts of demanding committee chairmanships and other favors.

What an absolute clown this guy has become.
Posted by: ballistic
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Perfect example of someone living in the DC bubble to his gain and profit. Hannity is the stupider version of Levin along with other Faux hosts.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (bDjBG)

240 Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 04, 2023 06:48 PM (Wy1BU)

So you'd be Madamemayhem Speaker?
😁

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (Rbu5d)

241 Those speaker jokes could go on for infinity!

Posted by: MikeyLikey at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (kOewT)

242 I'm too lazy to look this up, but what are the Freedom Caucus demands, and what are McCarthy's reasons for rejecting them?

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (gf7Ez)

243 What's to stop him reneging on his concessions once elected?
Posted by: Ciampino - Partington for I

...

He passes zero bills without dem support and never wins speaker again...admittedly in two years.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (JMPQm)

244 WHo has a nice baritone ?

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (V13WU)

245 No, he should stay out of this. Getting involved is a no-win proposition.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM (dBq3T)

A lesson President Trump apparently has not learned.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (XIJ/X)

246 No, he should stay out of this. Getting involved is a no-win proposition.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04,

Agreed. The contrast with Trump would not be in Trump's favor.

Well, now that we've settled that...

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (eOEVl)

247 We should properly fear people who insist that they must hold office and that government is incomplete without them. Example number 1 is Biden, but there are many many others.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (cq4C8)

248 >> Juliet Anderson did the accent OK

I thinking of men doing it. Katherine Hepburn did it at as well.

For comedic purposes, it can be hoot. Thurston Howell, for instance, doing the Locust Valley lockjaw variant. And of course, Frasier and Niles Crane.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (Mzdiz)

249 Crenshaw calls the con-compliant contingent "narcissists." But who's the narcissist? McCarthy has been rejected six times and still thinks he's the indispensable destiny's child.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (H8QX8)

250 McCarthy should be embarrassed. heck, I am embarrassed for him.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (mnUzy)

251 >>Because if he absolutely cannot close the gap, then it's an impasse. He might be only 20 votes away, but if those 20 will *not* move, ever (those votes are not portable), then there's no path victory. If McCarthy is not in the race at all, how many of his 200 are portable? Probably most of them. They'll vote for whichever cuck they're told to vote for.

According to Chip Roy, one of the leaders of the holdouts, they have been negotiating with McCarthy for months and made progress but still want more. So it has nothing to do with McCarthy the person, it's about policy.

But forget McCarthy, who else is going to get to 218? Not Jordan or Scalise, they are on Team McCarthy so if there is no deal with McCarthy there won't be one with them either. It won't be one of the 20 because they have burned a lot of bridges themselves.

Still haven't heard who would be an acceptable replacement.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (ZLI7S)

252 The Daily Beast@thedailybeast
EXCLU: Rep. Anna Paulina Luna isn't just battling in congress. She's also fighting a war back in her home state of Florida where political enemies are saying she is a literal witch and had a sexual liaison with Rep. Matt Gaetz.

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Obviously not true or else the Donks would love her.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 07:03 PM (FVME7)

253 A lesson President Trump apparently has not learned.

In DeSantis' case, I say he should opine. He didn't get where he is by playing it safe, and this is a real opportunity for him to highlight his role as a change agent.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 07:03 PM (eOEVl)

254 Kevin, "7th time is the charm!"

Felonious von Pantsuits should give Kevin a call to Move On.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2023 07:03 PM (1BLGl)

255 But forget McCarthy, who else is going to get to 218? Not Jordan or Scalise, they are on Team McCarthy so if there is no deal with McCarthy there won't be one with them either. It won't be one of the 20 because they have burned a lot of bridges themselves.

Still haven't heard who would be an acceptable replacement.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (ZLI7S)
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Possibly no one. That's a pretty good outcome. Fail to seat a Speaker - and by extension, a House - for a couple of months until someone capitulates.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (t0OGg)

256 I'm too lazy to look this up, but what are the Freedom Caucus demands, and what are McCarthy's reasons for rejecting them?

Border security, term limits, and balanced budget being brought to the floor. Not passed, necessarily, just brought to the floor for a vote.

But McCarthy isn't willing to say yes to that.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (Bd6X8)

257 U.S. District Judge Norman Moon ordered the $24 million in punitive damages reduced to $350,000, the cap imposed under a Virginia law. Moon upheld the $2 million in compensatory damages awarded by the jury in November 2021.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (63Dwl)

Heh.

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (Ed8Zd)

258 OK, I 've had it. Who looks super good on TV ??
Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 07:01 PM

* preens *

Take your pick.

Posted by: The View at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (a3Q+t)

259 Knowing when and what to give is in important leadership skill.

He's not interested in leading, he's only there to take orders from Kalorama by way of Mitch the Bitch.
The only thing he's interested in leading is ways to punish patriots and constitutionalists.
Posted by: kallisto at January 04, 2023 06:33 PM (mN9IM)

Truth like this makes the HQ so very unique and invaluable .

Posted by: Voter theater. at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (T6L0l)

260 This McCarthy chap's behavior is beginning to look more and more like the tutelage of Pierre Delecto.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (Er3sM)

261 What are the odds that McCarthy is doing a "Kamala" on the holdouts to get their vote?

Posted by: Pimp Daddy Welfare at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (U6/z9)

262 What is DeSantis' move here? Do nothing is safe but I would love for him to come out against McCarthy and make this a campaign point.
Posted by: TexasDan

Why would a governor have any dog in this fight? Why try to shoe horn him in to this?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (Wy1BU)

263 219 I don't like McCarthy, so I'm all on board with it being someone else, and especially making him sweat for it like this. With that said, why would he step out of the race when he is only 18 or so votes away, and anyone else is 200 votes away? The anti-McCarthy crowd is making a mistake here in thinking it is clear to everyone how that makes any sense at all.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (Gu48G)
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Because if he absolutely cannot close the gap, then it's an impasse. He might be only 20 votes away, but if those 20 will *not* move, ever (those votes are not portable), then there's no path victory. If McCarthy is not in the race at all, how many of his 200 are portable? Probably most of them. They'll vote for whichever cuck they're told to vote for.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Joe is correct. Mad Max, you aren't happening to read or watch media coverage are you? Most if not all of those people hate common folks whether they pretend to be conservative or not.

Go back and watch Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. The herd is not always right.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (bDjBG)

264 Still haven't heard who would be an acceptable replacement.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (ZLI7S)

some folks are highlighting Byron Donalds on twitter. i don't really know who he is.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (mnUzy)

265 A lesson President Trump apparently has not learned.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (XIJ/X)

For whatever reason, Rex Tillerson comes to mind.

Posted by: Belgian Peaches at January 04, 2023 07:05 PM (14URa)

266 Rush used to refer to him as the great one.
He stopped doing that before he passed.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 04, 2023 07:05 PM (XCZ3Z)

267 232 What is DeSantis' move here? Do nothing is safe but I would love for him to come out against McCarthy and make this a campaign point.
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No, not his style. Doing nothing is both safe and smart at this point. His inaugural speech was spectacular. He's running a beautiful little country in Florida, and he can coast on that for awhile as the envy of the conservative world.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 04, 2023 07:05 PM (H8QX8)

268 Rep. Luna is obviously not the right type of witch for the Democrats... besides The Spew still has Whoopi

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2023 07:05 PM (1BLGl)

269 Congresswoman Cori Bush@RepCori
3 days into 2023, Missouri has chosen to uphold violence over mercy.
Today, the state executed Amber McLaughlin, a trans woman, who was sentenced to death by a judge after a jury could not unanimously agree to impose that sentence.
Capital punishment must be abolished.

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Every bit the martyr that George Floyd was.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 07:06 PM (FVME7)

270 Chip Roy.

Kari Lake.

Donald Trump.

All better than the Californian

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 06:41 PM (Ed8Zd)
........

Aw c'mon, lookit all the great celebroticians we've given you:
Harris
Palsy
Feinstein
Newsom
Schiff
Swallwell
etc.
Waters

Posted by: wth at January 04, 2023 07:06 PM (v0R5T)

271 "Gentlemen, gentlemen! This is the House of Representatives. There'll be no politicking in here!"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 04, 2023 07:07 PM (IyrhE)

272 There's a nood

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 07:07 PM (t0OGg)

273 Knowing when and what to give is in important leadership skill.
_______________

Yep. Another one is being able to read the room, and not to propose something that will not fly.

Occasionally you have break that rule, but generally speaking, you want to look like you're leading the parade.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 07:07 PM (dBq3T)

274 I thinking of men doing it. Katherine Hepburn did it at as well.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (Mzdiz)

Bernadette Banner does that accent on her channel and I want to throw things at the screen.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 04, 2023 07:07 PM (xhaym)

275 I think Jordan would take the job, if offered. He doesn't have the votes now, but he could develop momentum. This is the time to make the GOPe reveal if they are or are not willing to give power to conservatives. If not, well, screw 'em.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 07:08 PM (eOEVl)

276 So Cori Bush is saying that being Trans trumps murdering people.

Invite Dr. Levine over Cori...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2023 07:08 PM (1BLGl)

277
"For the first time in my life, I'm proud to be a Republican."

-Mike Obama

Posted by: Auspex at January 04, 2023 07:08 PM (hW+ut)

278 Those speaker jokes could go on for infinity!
Posted by: MikeyLikey
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The advent of non-stop puns.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023 07:08 PM (sVE6f)

279 6 RINOS go Dem & we have a Dem Speaker

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 04, 2023 07:08 PM (XCZ3Z)

280 What are the odds that McCarthy is doing a "Kamala" on the holdouts to get their vote?
Posted by: Pimp Daddy Welfare at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (U6/z9)

Eww

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2023 07:08 PM (PUlo3)

281 Congresswoman Cori Bush@RepCori
3 days into 2023, Missouri has chosen to uphold violence over mercy.
Today, the state executed Amber McLaughlin, a trans woman, who was sentenced to death by a judge
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Good job, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (dBq3T)

282 Nominate Jeff Bezos! He doesn't have alot to do now.

Amazon to Lay Off Over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned -- WSJ

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (Vwz3I)

283 256 I'm too lazy to look this up, but what are the Freedom Caucus demands, and what are McCarthy's reasons for rejecting them?

Border security, term limits, and balanced budget being brought to the floor. Not passed, necessarily, just brought to the floor for a vote.

But McCarthy isn't willing to say yes to that.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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OK, this tells me that either McCarthy doesn't have any political instincts that would force Democrats to vote against legislation that would be popular with voters, or that he opposes them himself.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (gf7Ez)

284 We don't need a house until the next omnibus spending bill anyway. We only hold one chamber and that by almost zero margin.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (JMPQm)

285 etc.

Posted by: wth at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (v0R5T)

286 Border security, term limits, and balanced budget being brought to the floor. Not passed, necessarily, just brought to the floor for a vote.

But McCarthy isn't willing to say yes to that.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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On the budget, it would allow any member to propose amendments on the floor that would reduce the deficit was the way that I heard it. That exposes the Uniparty to not being able to conceal omnibus spending items buried in them and requiring a public vote on them.

My guess is that is the sticking point--the leaderships of both the House and Senate have been concealing these unpopular grifter spending in omnibus bills since GWB and protecting members from actually having to vote on them.

Uniparty cannot have that as greed is the only unity between the parties.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (bDjBG)

287 McCarthy playing the "if I can't have it, ain't no Republican will have it" card.

Why would they? They can just hold firm, and say "we need to find another Republican, someone more conservative".

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Because all that is required is that one person get a simple majority. If 25 McCarthy voters switch to Jeffries, we will have a Democrat Speaker of a (nominal) Republican majority House. Do the squishes view the Freedom Caucus with the same contempt they do their own voters? If so, I can definitely see them preferring a Democrat Speaker to an actual Conservative.

The end game is more likely a group of 25 or so meeting with the 20 no votes for McCarthy and saying, vote for McCarthy this time, or we will vote for Jeffries next time.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (Ebr2D)

288 >>some folks are highlighting Byron Donalds on twitter. i don't really know who he is.

Just saw a clip with him taken earlier today. Just like Jordan and Scalise he says he doesn't want the job.

From what I've seen of Donalds he sounds like a smart, solid conservative but he's been in Congress for 1 term and he doesn't want the job.

I want the holdouts to negotiate and get the best deal they can get. But at some point this will end. It's not going to go on forever. I'm fine with replacing McCarthy but he does have the support of over 200 members so whoever replaces him better have the chops to actually win.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (ZLI7S)

289 Self promotion I see

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 07:10 PM (xhxe8)

290 80 Sock Monkey

The left is way ahead of you on ritual sacrifice. But should your burning man scenario work out, they may exchange us for the dead babies they are so very fond of.

Posted by: TecumsehTea-not a resident troll at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (BjGT6)

291 If not McCarthy, then who?

The last time we had a fight like this over the speakership, we wound up with Paul Ryan - the "compromise" candidate.

Posted by: Nemo at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (S6ArX)

292 249 Crenshaw calls the con-compliant contingent "narcissists." But who's the narcissist? McCarthy has been rejected six times and still thinks he's the indispensable destiny's child.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 04, 2023 07:02 PM (H8QX

Capt Fkin Kidd calling anyone else a narcissist is rich.

A guy who could easily wear a glass eye, that nobody would ever notice, chooses to wear the eye patch to make people notice him.

Fk that guy in particular.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (cknjq)

293 236 maybe Kevin shoulda thought about the downside of being an ass licker
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Maybe he shoulda thought about the downside of actively kneecapping candidates.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (XCZ3Z)

294 If 25 McCarthy voters switch to Jeffries, we will have a Democrat Speaker of a (nominal) Republican majority House. Do the squishes view the Freedom Caucus with the same contempt they do their own voters? If so, I can definitely see them preferring a Democrat Speaker to an actual Conservative.

That's exactly the point. It's time for the GOPe to show who they really are. My guess is that they don't want to because they know how unpopular they would be.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (eOEVl)

295 3 days into 2023, Missouri has chosen to uphold violence over mercy.
Today, the state executed Amber McLaughlin
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It was 'Amber' Mclaughlin who made that decision.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (wcvdH)

296 Speaker only has the power that that 218+ of the House members give him or her in the rules. You vote for Speaker first, then swear in members, and then comes voting on the House rules for the terms. While the Speaker is mentioned in the Constitution, the Constitution itself gives them no power beyond what members give them when passing the rules and regulations of the House.
Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 06:58 PM (bDjBG)
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What makes you believe that 25 Republicans hypothetically willing to vote for Jeffries as Speaker to spite the Freedom Caucus wouldn't also vote with the Dems for whatever rules they want?

Maybe I'm cynical, but yes, I really do think they despise actual conservatives that much. I hope I am wrong.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:12 PM (Ebr2D)

297 Mrs. Luntz's primary argument against the gang of 20 is, " if you think this is a democracy get over that, this is a dictatorship and you're going to do exactly what you're told." Gang of 20 goes, "we're have set fire to Mrs Luntz's mascara kit and Mitch McConnell's underwear and if you're not careful, we're going to burn your wing of the uniparty right down to the ground."

Posted by: Lost In Space at January 04, 2023 07:12 PM (RRkWK)

298 October 8, 2015

WASHINGTON — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy abruptly withdrew his promising bid to become speaker Thursday as the married congressman was accused of having an affair with another married House member in an anonymous posting on Wikipedia.

Minutes before Republicans were to cast votes to make him speaker-elect, McCarthy stood and told his colleagues that a fresh face was needed to unite the party.

“And I’m not that person,” McCarthy said, according to one person in the room.

Posted by: A Face No Fresher at January 04, 2023 07:12 PM (ik/65)

299 The end game is more likely a group of 25 or so meeting with the 20 no votes for McCarthy and saying, vote for McCarthy this time, or we will vote for Jeffries next time.
Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:09 PM (Ebr2D)
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Yeah, go vote for Jeffries, and return to your offices and brush up your resumes, because you'll be out on your ass in 2024.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2023 07:13 PM (dBq3T)

300 Ordinary American: "Crenshaw calls the con-compliant contingent 'narcissists.'..."

Crenshaw lacks the brainpower to understand every one of them is a narcissist. It's checkbox number one on the job application.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 07:13 PM (aXxgO)

301 229 What's to stop him reneging on his concessions once elected?

Posted by: Ciampino
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House rules have to be voted on next after the swearing in. Still requires 218 votes and if the concessions are baked into the rules, then McCarthy has to obey them. The rule of the House is a majority. Not so in the Senate.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:13 PM (bDjBG)

302
You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM

And he Sony just started!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (Wnv9h)

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Might get some static about this.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 04, 2023 07:15 PM (MoZTd)

303 299 The end game is more likely a group of 25 or so meeting with the 20 no votes for McCarthy and saying, vote for McCarthy this time, or we will vote for Jeffries next time.
Posted by: Lieutenant Duh
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You seem to be under the mistaken notion that the Speaker rules the House--the Constitution grants them no powers other than the office itself. They do not except by the grace of commanding 218 votes for a rules package and whether the appointment power is given to them. Otherwise, they get to sit there and look pretty. Plus, vacate the chair is always a possibility with 218.

Joe Cannon used to run the House roughshod over his enemies and eventually he came a cropper when a majority of the House clipped his wings.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:15 PM (bDjBG)

304 Crenshaw lacks the brainpower to understand every one of them is a narcissist. It's checkbox number one on the job application.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 07:13 PM (aXxgO)

He needs a good eyehole f*cking.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at January 04, 2023 07:16 PM (Mzdiz)

305 Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden had a love grapple in Kentucky today, bragging about earmarks and their love for multi-trillion dollar omnibus spending

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 04, 2023 07:16 PM (8Kd07)

306 That's exactly the point. It's time for the GOPe to show who they really are. My guess is that they don't want to because they know how unpopular they would be.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 04, 2023 07:11 PM (eOEVl)
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I'm not sure they fear their constituents as much as they should. They may be justified in that. Gloom and doom from me aside, I do want the Freedom Caucus to stand its ground and refuse to elect McCarthy, come what may.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:17 PM (Ebr2D)

307 Essentially, any GOPe defectors would be signing their own political death warrant by handing over all power to the Dems in the House and would have to switch parties to make it stick for long. Even then, party switchers almost always are voted out on their ass the next election.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:18 PM (bDjBG)

308 98 Just caught a glimpse of the CBS Evening News. The Republicans are revolting!

Posted by: Javems at January 04, 2023 06:36 PM (AmoqO)
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They make me puke too and it's dinnertime (or is it suppertime?)

Posted by: Ciampino -- Partington for Inorganic Chem at January 04, 2023 07:20 PM (qfLjt)

309 "Even then, party switchers almost always are voted out on their ass the next election."

Lots of lucre for GOP backstabbers on K Street and in the television studios after their political careers are over.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 04, 2023 07:21 PM (ik/65)

310 You seem to be under the mistaken notion that the Speaker rules the House
Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:15 PM (bDjBG)
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Actually, my notion is that McCarthy and others hold conservatives and their own voters in such contempt that not only would they be willing to install a radical Democrat (is there another kind?) as Speaker, but they'd also be willing to vote with the Democrats to give that Speaker as much power as the Democrats want rather than have a Freedom Caucus member as Speaker.

It's a very dark and cynical view, but they've stabbed us in the back too often to make it easy to believe otherwise.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:22 PM (Ebr2D)

311 I want the holdouts to negotiate and get the best deal they can get. But at some point this will end. It's not going to go on forever. I'm fine with replacing McCarthy but he does have the support of over 200 members so whoever replaces him better have the chops to actually win.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Leadership struggles are no holds barred but the irresistible force of the Uniparty just met the immovable bloc.

At some point, the negotiations will go around McCarthy between the majority and minority faction as in who would be an acceptable candidate. In a lot of ways, the old backroom deals are a better way than the leadership coronations because of simply being there via seniority.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:22 PM (bDjBG)

312 Because if he absolutely cannot close the gap, then it's an impasse. He might be only 20 votes away, but if those 20 will *not* move, ever (those votes are not portable), then there's no path victory. If McCarthy is not in the race at all, how many of his 200 are portable? Probably most of them. They'll vote for whichever cuck they're told to vote for.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 06:59 PM (t0OGg)

So, the goal is to get the cucks to vote for a different cuck than McCarthy? That's fine, I guess, but I don't really see the big benefit of that. Sounds like an intra-cuck fight that doesn't involve me. Still, just going out there leading with the argument that the guy getting 90% of the vote doesn't have the votes is NOT a winner. Rally around someone else that can at least get in the ballpark of what is needed, otherwise it just looks like they don't have a sensible argument.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 04, 2023 07:23 PM (Gu48G)

313 Actually, my notion is that McCarthy and others hold conservatives and their own voters in such contempt that not only would they be willing to install a radical Democrat (is there another kind?) as Speaker, but they'd also be willing to vote with the Democrats to give that Speaker as much power as the Democrats want rather than have a Freedom Caucus member as Speaker.

It's a very dark and cynical view, but they've stabbed us in the back too often to make it easy to believe otherwise.
Posted by: Lieutenant Duh
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Unless they want to all be voted out of office, not likely simply because the Democrats treat party switchers with disdain, not kindness. When the occassional party switcher to the Dem side happens like Arlen Specter, he gets primaried and loses anyway. Also see Michael Forbes.

The GOP swoons for its party switchers.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:25 PM (bDjBG)

314 302
You're a pioneer with speaker puns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at January 04, 2023 06:35 PM

And he Sony just started!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 06:37 PM (Wnv9h)

__________

Might get some static about this.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 04, 2023 07:15 PM (MoZTd)
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Groovy.
Are you on track to reach the tape?

Posted by: Ciampino --- Partington for Inorganic Chem at January 04, 2023 07:25 PM (qfLjt)

315 They would not actually switch parties officially, and if they get voted out every single one of them will get rich as a lobbyist. There's not really much downside for them if they truly do despise conservatives that much.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:26 PM (Ebr2D)

316 So, the goal is to get the cucks to vote for a different cuck than McCarthy? That's fine, I guess, but I don't really see the big benefit of that. Sounds like an intra-cuck fight that doesn't involve me. Still, just going out there leading with the argument that the guy getting 90% of the vote doesn't have the votes is NOT a winner. Rally around someone else that can at least get in the ballpark of what is needed, otherwise it just looks like they don't have a sensible argument.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA
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It has become a fight over what the rules will be under a new nominee or McCarthy and assurances of no harm to the 20 for their challenge. So either McCarthy removes all the changes to House rules that made Boehner and Nanzi supreme or he doesn't get the post. Same for other GOPe candidates. The threat to go Dem is rather hollow if not followed by a party switch from GOP to Dem sufficient to sustain rules on debate or even avoid vacate the chair motions.

Hastert, adopted an informal rule that no legislation would come to the House floor without the majority of the GOP party supporting it. He won consistently in House votes with small majority.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:29 PM (bDjBG)

317 So....can we now talk about weak GOPe candidates?

Posted by: Mhandisi at January 04, 2023 07:29 PM (IXANy)

318 315 They would not actually switch parties officially, and if they get voted out every single one of them will get rich as a lobbyist. There's not really much downside for them if they truly do despise conservatives that much.
Posted by: Lieutenant Duh

Not so much, the Dems like to use and abuse their idiots and lobbyist is not going to be the career for the GOP types if the Dems have unified control of government. Back in the heyday of Dem control of Congress, the GOP lobbyists focused on the executive branch because those focusing on Congress got peanuts.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 07:30 PM (bDjBG)

319 257 U.S. District Judge Norman Moon ordered the $24 million in punitive damages reduced to $350,000, the cap imposed under a Virginia law. Moon upheld the $2 million in compensatory damages awarded by the jury in November 2021.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2023 06:54 PM (63Dwl)

Heh.

Posted by: LASue at January 04, 2023 07:04 PM (Ed8Zd)
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Obviously I am missing something as I have no idea to what this relates.

Posted by: Ciampino - completely blank at January 04, 2023 07:33 PM (qfLjt)

320 Mike Pence throws support to McCarthy.

Not sure how that will go over. Pence is persona non grata in my book.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 04, 2023 07:40 PM (3ImbR)

321 Okay, add "seats on a few corporate BODs" and guest appearances as the token "conservative" on talking head shows to the lobbyist move, post politics, for GOPe turncoats who never officially traded in their "R" but did so in all other ways. I don't put it past them to be stupid enough to believe the Dems will be their friends afterwards.

I do hope you are right, though, and some sanity prevails. Appreciate your replies and commentary, Whig. I'll try to be less pessimistic and a little more hopeful.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:43 PM (Ebr2D)

322 So Mike Pence and Trump agree on McCarthy? I wonder if that will make Trump think twice and admit he was mistaken to endorse McCarthy?

Probably not. Trump probably spins it, if he says anything at all, as Pence trying to get back in his good graces.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at January 04, 2023 07:46 PM (Ebr2D)

323 @11

>>It doesn't make any difference. IF we did get a strong conservative leader then the eGOP squishes would defect anyway.

It doesn't matter, they will never let anyone not fully on team Uniparty to win, the GOPe would prefer to throw in with the Donks and let Jeffries be SOH than someone not of the body.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2023 07:57 PM (up/3i)

324 When does Scalise step up?

Posted by: jeff at January 04, 2023 07:58 PM (pvt9V)

325 I think President Trump believed McCarthy was possibly the best Speaker candidate, because all indications (at the time) had McCarthy taking over after the "red wave" that never happened. So Trump placed his bets on McCarthy early on, although it's now clear the conservatives in his caucus lack any faith in him. I agree with their assessment.

Posted by: Tracy at January 04, 2023 08:00 PM (x58Cx)

326 This infuriates me as the WEF expressed a preference for McCarthy. Makes me doubt Trump.

Posted by: CN at January 04, 2023 08:11 PM (Zzbjj)

327 It really does beg the question of how we get red meat conservativism during election season and limp wristed turncoat in leadership. The fact is if we continue to vote for house members who vote for McCarthy or senators who vote for McConnell, we only have ourselves to blame. It's time we primary these bastards.

Posted by: Eric at January 04, 2023 08:43 PM (UjhJO)

328 He is dead meat. Even if he wins now, we all lose. He needs to step aside.

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