THE MORNING RANT: What If We Had Relied on “Renewable Energy” During the Christmas Cold Snap; also, Climate Fraud and Related Data Tampering

The recent arctic blast of cold air would have been a mass casualty event if renewables were the only source of energy.

Look at this graph of the fuel sources keeping Texans warm – and alive - on December 23 at 10:24 PM.

Solar = 0.0%
Wind = 3.9%
Natural Gas, Coal, and Nuclear = 96.0%

Nationally, on the night of December 23, with the country in the grip of the brutal cold, national electricity demand soared to 632 GW (or 632,000 MW.) At the same time, total wind production collapsed, dropping to a mere 45 GW.

Again, if the country were relying simply on “renewable” energy sources for its electricity, the cold snap would have been an apocalyptic, mass casualty event.

Be sure to check out the yellow line in the lower graph. That is solar electricity production. Please note its up-and-down pattern, bottoming out at 0 MW every single day. That’s because the sun doesn’t shine at night! On a cold winter night, it doesn’t matter how many acres of solar panels your utility company has devoted to solar production, it is getting exactly 0 MW of electricity from solar panels.

Solar and wind can never be anything more than boutique forms of incremental electricity production, and they will never, ever, be able to keep this country warm on cold winter nights.

It is time for the “adults in the room” in both politics and business to stop giving lip service to the lie that we can replace this country’s energy needs with “renewables.” It is not possible, and pretending that it is possible is a very dangerous lie that could have catastrophic consequences.

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If man-made climate change were real, why would “climate scientists” need to engage in so much easily documented fraud to advance their agenda?

This is a major scandal, but Tony Heller makes a funny point here, specifically that “human activities” are responsible for the apparent temperature increases shown in NASA climate graphs. Of course, the “human activities” he refers to are the fraudulent data tampering conducted by climate scientists, in which historical temperature records are adjusted to fit the current narrative.

NASA’s historical climate data from 1880 to 2000 is shown in the top graph dated 1999. By 2019, NASA had “adjusted” the historical data to reduce peak heat during the 1930s and to create the perception of late 20th century temperatures trending upward.

Also, have you ever pondered how it’s possible that pretty much every year for the past 20 years has been reported as the 2nd or 3rd warmest year ever? Shouldn’t some of these “2nd warmest years” occasionally slot below previous “2nd warmest years”?

Of course, “climate scientists” have a fix for that too! Well, it’s actually the same fix they always apply. They simply alter the previous data to produce the fraudulent results they want to report.

This official scientific fraud, combined with all the apocalyptic climate prophesies that never came true*, are more than sufficient reason to assume that every single word said about the “climate crisis” is false.

[*I did not check the news today to see if the Maldives are underwater, or if Manhattan’s West Side Highway is submerged, or if most East Coast beaches are gone, or if the northern hemisphere is devoid of snow. Please correct me if these promised climate consequences actually happened.]

Heller - NY Times - East Coast Beaches.JPG

One more thing - there is nothing more exasperating than hearing a “conservative” politician meekly oppose the eco-communist’s agenda while still conceding that “man-made climate change is real,” which means he simply wants to go slower on achieving the leftists’ objectives, while ultimately still supporting their anti-fossil fuel agenda.

Should humans be good stewards of the planet God has given us? Yes. Is man-made climate change real? No. If it were, the “scientific community” wouldn’t need to engage in such overt fraud to push the communist climate agenda. If man-made-climate change were real, all those apocalyptic predictions would not have turned out to be false prophecies. Why would anyone continue to believe “the climate community” after their long history of fraud and phony predictions?

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Songs of the Season

Tomorrow night is New Year’s Eve. If you’re the type to celebrate, tell us what you’ll be doing.

Here’s a fun version of Auld Lang Syne by Reina Del Cid that is compliant with Throckmorton’s First Law of Live Music. (“If there’s an upright bass in the band, it’s probably going to be good.)

See you in 2023!

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2022 11:00 AM (Jvg71)

2 Whoa

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2022 11:01 AM (Do5/p)

3 I culled the otters.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 30, 2022 11:01 AM (atmen)

4 Pretty soon those graphs and charts will all be flat-lined.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 30, 2022 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)

5 ♪...Winter for Germany and France...♪

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 30, 2022 11:02 AM (ynpvh)

6 How about we create a miniature sun and harness its energy for perpetuity?

Let's do that!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

7 3 I culled the otters.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 30, 2022 11:01 AM (atmen)

Less otters, less anal otters?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 30, 2022 11:03 AM (ynpvh)

8 Top pic looks like neighbors house.

Posted by: Infidel at December 30, 2022 11:03 AM (ZEa+g)

9 Srsly considering a whole house genny.

Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

10 Up here in Maine we got smacked pretty hard by the storm. Had gusts of 54mph at the house. Lost power about 5:15PM on the 23rd - which was odd because the storm was pretty much over by then. Anyways, the ole 22kW Generac kicked right in.

Back in 2017 we lost power for a week after a similar "bombogenesis" hit us. This one was a lot less severe but I got quotes for a Tesla power wall and a generator. They were about the same cost BUT the generator would run my whole house for 10 days with 500 gallons of propane on hand while the power wall would only last a day or two.

To me the answer was night and day. Hilarious part was that I was actually using my TIG welder in the garage while I was on my generator. Would NEVER do that with the powerwall.

The point of my wall of text? Invest in generator companies. Now.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2022 11:05 AM (QxSDX)

11 Duh. The sun does not shine at night. That is why the diesel gensets power the kleig lights to shine on the solar panels!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 30, 2022 11:05 AM (3Or4S)

12
The amount of energy in one (1) hurricane is about 200 times that of the worldwide electricity generated. In 2021 there were 80 hurricanes, cyclones and typhoons. But let's pretend Republicans are responsible for "climate change".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 30, 2022 11:05 AM (WpFg9)

13 632 GW !!!???

That DeLorean is really going Back In Time!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2022 11:06 AM (anj39)

14 I love the warm coziness a solar panel gives on a short, cloudy winter's day

Posted by: Kindltot at December 30, 2022 11:06 AM (xhaym)

15 One more thing - there is nothing more exasperating than hearing a “conservative” politician meekly oppose the eco-communist’s agenda while still conceding that “man-made climate change is real,” which means he simply wants to go slower on achieving the leftists’ objectives, while ultimately still supporting their anti-fossil fuel agenda.

People who are confident in their conclusions don't need to fudge the data. I'm not ready to say that there is NO man-made climate change, just that it's insignificant, if it exists at all. Of course, the instant you acknowledge that there MIGHT be a very small uptick in man-made T (one which has not yet been persuasively demonstrated), the greenies will take that as proof that we need to immediately implement their ridiculous "solutions". That's the real problem.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:07 AM (eOEVl)

16 BREAKING: Suspect arrested for college killings in Idaho. Man in his mid 20s, who is a college student, but not at that school. Arrested in Scranton, PA. In court this morning, but name not released...nor anything more than this yet...

Posted by: Nova local at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (exHjb)

17 Texas learned to jack up the NG output when cold temperatures are forecast.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (lTGtQ)

18 It is time for the “adults in the room” in both politics and business to stop giving lip service to the lie that we can replace this country’s energy needs with “renewables.” It is not possible, and pretending that it is possible is a very dangerous lie that could have catastrophic consequences.

Buck

It is planned destruction! No doubt in my mind to create 3rd world conditions to punish the middle class.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (BRHaw)

19 Building solar panels in AZ or southern CA makes sense.

Building them in the northern parts of the US is pure idiocy.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (lc5cP)

20 The recent arctic blast of cold air would have been a mass casualty event if renewables were the only source of energy.

How dare you not drop dead!!!

Posted by: WEF at December 30, 2022 11:09 AM (llON8)

21 I culled the otters.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 30, 2022 11:01 AM (atmen)
***

Ohhhhh...
Did I just hear a .45 get racked?
Where's nurse?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2022 11:09 AM (anj39)

22 NASA used to publish a trend of their temperature adjustments to past data. They no longer do so for obvious reasons. It was too easy for people to notice that all the warming they were claiming was in the adjustments and not the actual data.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:09 AM (Y5qcH)

23 All I know is that St. Croix kept the president warm.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:10 AM (FVME7)

24 If man-made climate change were real, why would "climate scientists" need to engage in so much easily documented fraud to advance their agenda?
This is a major scandal, but Tony Heller makes a funny point here, specifically that "human activities" are responsible for the apparent temperature increases shown in NASA climate graphs.

Yep. I am old enough to remember 2009 CRU ClimateGate and remember how naive I was to think that was going to end the "global warming", "climate change" scam for good. Facts exposing the entire movement as a manufactured fraud -- on top of the already decades of "predictions" that never came true. And yet, none of those facts mattered. Still going full speed ahead into civilization-crippling, mass-death policies worldwide. Utterly fucking depressing.

WattsUpWithThat ClimateGate page: https://bit.ly/3I8zWQ1

Links to everything about Climategate here. Relevant links posted in comments will be added.

WUWT Stories in chronological order, newest first

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2022 11:10 AM (Do5/p)

25 In a surprisingly short time, 2022 will be The Good Ole Days.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) predicts at December 30, 2022 11:11 AM (yQpMk)

26 We can fight Climate Change if we blot out the sun, and invest in more renewables like wind and solar. Win-win.

Posted by: Bill Gates III at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (c2jz5)

27 >>> 6 How about we create a miniature sun and harness its energy for perpetuity?

Let's do that!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

Again I ask, where is my Mr. Fusion???

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (llON8)

28 I have a chart stored on my phone to show any global warmist that wants to argue. It shows the actual measured temperatures going back to 1880, and the 'adjusted' temperatures.

Spoiler: It was warmer in the 1880's than now, and any chart that shows different means the data is tampered with. The actual measured data prove it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (lTGtQ)

29 24 I think “newest first” would be reverse chronological order.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (atmen)

30 What if we had 200 operating nuclear power plants and the infrastructure to distribute the power?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (zZu0s)

31 Apparently the pizza-box thing is fake news -- the Romanian cops knew where he was all the time -- but this is still funny using a photo of Columbo...

Rodrigo Alem Fernández @Rod_F · 17h
"One more thing Mr. Tate.

That video you posted replying to Ms. Thunberg's tweet. The pizza you're eating. That's Jerry's Pizza, right? But I couldn't figure the other words on the box. You see my wife is quite good with languages and noticed that it was written in romanian..."

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (Vwz3I)

32 Again, if the country were relying simply on “renewable” energy sources for its electricity, the cold snap would have been an apocalyptic, mass casualty event.

well, yeah. that's what Our Betters want.

Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2022 11:13 AM (dCxaZ)

33 Buck presents a cherry picked snapshot. Shocking us that there was zero solar production at night.
Yes Buck that first prove that solar is "uh nrel is"unreliable" at night.
However, Texas does get 28% of it's yearly power from wind and solar which does have one advantage, it's costs are regular, not subject to the Gulf Arabs who set the price of all oil both domestic and global prices. Fossil fuels will continue to be used, while decreasing as technology learns to store energy more cheaply. that will happen sloy but steadily, just as it has been. At least this year Texas learned to winterize their wind turbines as Canada has done for decades.

Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2022 11:13 AM (H2r33)

34 25 In a surprisingly short time, 2022 will be The Good Ole Days.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) predicts at December 30, 2022 11:11 AM (yQpMk)

Yes, the old "if you think ~~2020~~ ~~2021~~ 2022 was bad, wait until ~~2021~~ ~~2022~~ 2023"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 30, 2022 11:13 AM (ynpvh)

35 I could use some sun about now.

Posted by: Infidel at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (ZEa+g)

36 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)

37 You have to admit, not being able to produce power at night (or less power in dim conditions) is a bit of a flaw.

I still like the idea of space based solar generation. That says the future to me. Of course, our orbitals are full of debris...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (zZu0s)

38 >>> 16 BREAKING: Suspect arrested for college killings in Idaho. Man in his mid 20s, who is a college student, but not at that school. Arrested in Scranton, PA. In court this morning, but name not released...nor anything more than this yet...
Posted by: Nova local at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (exHjb)

Oh look, the Eff.Bee.EYE has determined who to present as the patsy.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (llON8)

39 BREAKING: Suspect arrested for college killings in Idaho. Man in his mid 20s, who is a college student, but not at that school. Arrested in Scranton, PA. In court this morning, but name not released...nor anything more than this yet...
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"Moscow" was the most-recent stamp in his passport book?

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (Vwz3I)

40 Because it's not about saving da earf. It's about CONTROLLING THE PEOPLE.

They really do want to kill us off. They really do want to be the only ones eating meat, staying warm and having all the joys of live.

They really are truly evil people.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)

41 Very little electricity comes from crude oil, Paul. That's why is at the very bottom of the chart.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:15 AM (Y5qcH)

42 All our major institutions are gushing a firehose of lies upon us. We're seeing the compound interest effect of what started out as a investments in small lies years ago.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 30, 2022 11:15 AM (fs1hN)

43 Srsly considering a whole house genny.

Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

It saved my aunt and her husband this past week. They were out of power for days in Bumfvck, PA

Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2022 11:15 AM (dCxaZ)

44 Long on coal. Oil stock dividends paid for the grand-kids private schools and colleges.

Duke Energy is divesting its solar and wind investments because the government subsidies have expired.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (9X60i)

45 The Other Border Crisis: El Centro, Calif. (16.7%) and Yuma, Ariz. (16.3%) Lead Nation in Unemployment

This is old news. Imperial Valley has had one of the highest unemployment rates in the entire country for decades. It's a mostly farming community with lots of seasonal work. Often it and some county in Texas would vie for that unenviable position.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (ynpvh)

46 OT but since I was willowed, plus it will make the filth boohoo:
https://is.gd/C3ow6B
Abortions in Texas drop 97% after Roe reversal

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (llON8)

47 Clearly, people in Texas are not eating enough bugs.

Posted by: Klaus Schwab sez "Arbeit Macht Frei" at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (CecP5)

48 I know ace needs to make money, but most of my ads are either views up noses or of nasty toeses. I've done nothing to deserve this.

Posted by: fd at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (iayUP)

49 It saved my aunt and her husband this past week. They were out of power for days in Bumfvck, PA
Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2022 11:15 AM (dCxaZ)

Next door to Sodomizer, PA.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (zZu0s)

50 48 I know ace needs to make money, but most of my ads are either views up noses or of nasty toeses. I've done nothing to deserve this.
Posted by: fd at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (iayUP)

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You know what you did.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (LvTSG)

51 38 >>> 16 BREAKING: Suspect arrested for college killings in Idaho. Man in his mid 20s, who is a college student, but not at that school. Arrested in Scranton, PA. In court this morning, but name not released...nor anything more than this yet...
Posted by: Nova local at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (exHjb)

Oh look, the Eff.Bee.EYE has determined who to present as the patsy.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (llON

This is all from Foxnews - I can't find any other journalistic outlet reporting more than 4pm EST press conference...so YMMV...

Posted by: Nova local at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (exHjb)

52 With all due respect, I have to disagree with the statement that the climate is not changing. On the contrary, the climate is *always* changing: the Earth and its sun are a dynamic system that is continually fluctuating, resulting in changes to the climate.

It's worth recalling that 15,000 years ago (or thereabouts) the first human to come to this hemisphere *walked* here: the level of the sea was several hundred feet lower than it is now, due to massive glaciation. *That* is climate change, and thank goodness it happened!

What is crazy is to take the climate of an arbitrary point in time (say, 1950), and declare that any deviation from that is abnormal and therefore caused by humans. Yet, based on that nutty premise, Our Betters are attempting to overthrow our economy, and indeed how we live our everyday lives. It's nuts; yet, here we are.

Posted by: Nemo at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (S6ArX)

53 Science deniers!!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty of Nothing at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (8E7di)

54 Spoiler: It was warmer in the 1880's than now, and any chart that shows different means the data is tampered with. The actual measured data prove it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:12 AM (lTGtQ)

It's dangerous. TPTB are focused on the bogus warming while planting dates are getting pushed back and harvest dates forward (Colorado has lost at least two weeks of growing season in the last ten years). By the time the "experts" acknowledge the real problem a lot of people will be starving.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (nC+QA)

55 The same type of lying fucks who work at the FBI also work at NASA

Posted by: Yo! now Ultra MAGA at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (Jqq1n)

56 You know what you did.

I thought these ads popped up because the Innerwebs knows what searches Morons have been doing?

Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (dCxaZ)

57 "Moscow" was the most-recent stamp in his passport book?

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:14 AM (Vwz3I)

Self confessed Vandal

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (OgrpQ)

58 Here you go, Paul. Maybe you'd rather look at BPA's output.

https://tinyurl.com/yc2k3yes

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (uz3Px)

59 39 BREAKING: Suspect arrested for college killings in Idaho. Man in his mid 20s, who is a college student, but not at that school. Arrested in Scranton, PA.

I’m beginning not to like Scranton

Posted by: Kratwurst at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (nIRE6)

60 International Boxing Organization Will Start a Transgender League Over “Safety” Concerns

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What about the safety concerns of inducing widespread vomiting?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (FVME7)

61 There is nothing wrong with my nose or toes. I resent this slander.

Posted by: fd at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (iayUP)

62 Global Warming doesn't exist, but if it did, it would be a good thing overall.

I always tell the cultists to back to me when the French vintners are demanding protection from the influx of cheap English wine again like in the Medieval Warm Period.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (yQpMk)

63 'I think 'Weather' changes, but we keep making the same mistakes.'
-J Crichton

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (zZu0s)

64 44 Long on coal. Oil stock dividends paid for the grand-kids private schools and colleges.

Duke Energy is divesting its solar and wind investments because the government subsidies have expired.
Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (9X60i)

Arch Coal (ARCH) paid a $10.75 per share quarterly dividend in the 4th quarter. Coal is having it's best year ever, all fossil fuels are having their best year ever.

Politicians have made fuels that actually produce energy when you need it very valuable. Leftist retards never think about unintended consequences, but they are driving fossil fuel profits to the highest they have ever been.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (Y5qcH)

65 However, Texas does get 28% of it's yearly power from wind and solar which does have one advantage, it's costs are regular, not subject to the Gulf Arabs who set the price of all oil both domestic and global prices. Fossil fuels will continue to be used, while decreasing as technology learns to store energy more cheaply. that will happen sloy but steadily, just as it has been.

Since you've chosen to act like an adult for once, I'll engage.

The costs of wind and solar are steady because most of the cost is covered by subsidies. Take those away, and the "industry" crashes and burns overnight. Furthermore, TX is actually one of a relatively few places with large populations suitable for large scale solar and wind. Those may well be in the mix in the future, provided the storage problem is solved, but for, say, Germany, they will NEVER be a suitable alternative.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (eOEVl)

66 >>> 62 Global Warming doesn't exist, but if it did, it would be a good thing overall.

I always tell the cultists to back to me when the French vintners are demanding protection from the influx of cheap English wine again like in the Medieval Warm Period.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (yQpMk)

Dude, that's like, more than 100 years ago and stuff!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (llON8)

67 This climate change bullshit is the ultimate in arrogance and ignorance.

The best questions I've asked or seen asked:

What's the ideal temperature for the Earth?
How old is the Earth? For all of that time, was the climate exactly what we experience today?
How much of the Earth is actually inhabited and impacted by humans?
Don't warmer conditions lead to longer growing seasons?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 30, 2022 11:19 AM (KbCG3)

68 'Should we be good stewards of the erf'? Yes, indeed. I counter many greenlibs with this one, pointing out how i live on 3 acres bordered by a river which we manage in a way to attract wildlife while the hypocrites lecture me from town.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 30, 2022 11:20 AM (3Or4S)

69 Buck has utterly demolished the contention that renewable energy is able to supply 100% of the energy needs of Texas immediately.

Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (H2r33)

70 I made friends back in my Army days with a very sharp guy. A great officer and leader. And a bleeding heart Democrat. We are good friends and I'm about the only one he tolerates being teased. He once told me that the beaches in Washington State plus half of Seattle were going to be flooded by 2010.
Snort.
He doesn't talk about this much anymore. And since he has cancer, I don't tease as much anymore.
Sigh.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (anj39)

71 Was reading about Net Zero/US EPA, yesterday. "Simply put, Net Zero means consuming only as much as produced..."

Mission Statement of EPA's Net Zero Initiative -

Assist communities and our military in achieving their sustainability and resiliency goals of Net Zero and Net Positive Energy, Net Zero Waste, and Net Zero Water in ways that protect human health and the environment while generating societal and economic benefits.

Integrate and advance the science and demonstration of Net Zero/Net Positive (NZ/NP) strategies, approaches, and technologies for a wide spectrum of partners, including the Department of Defense, municipalities, water utilities, developers, and communities.

The EPA is not alone in such a mission statement.

Nothing changes re: Great money and power. But note, in particular, Defense and communities. Economic Fascism? IDK, but it's scary to me.

Posted by: Lola at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (p39Z2)

72 Most interesting was that wind dropped to 10% of its capacity during a period of internet se wind with the recent winter storm. That's a root cause analysis I'd like to see. As for solar, anyone who has a solar powered game cam or ranch gate without battery backup or storage has seen performance degrade in a period of as little as 8 hours without bright sunlight. Renewables are like lefties, they work variably.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (oWBc3)

73 "Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer "

My question is always "when was the climate perfect?"

Posted by: fd at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (iayUP)

74 Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (H2r33)

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Do you think it can provide the energy required in the cold snap when renewables provided 0% of the energy used?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:22 AM (LvTSG)

75 At least this year Texas learned to winterize their wind turbines as Canada has done for decades.
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||Low wind power in Saskatchewan as cold drives up electricity demand
The current cold snap is showing up in SaskPower’s daily numbers, as wind power production fell substantially on Dec. 20.

And, as usual, what happens in Alberta weatherwise is usually what happens here the following day.

In order to protect proprietary data, SaskPower delays its reporting of power production by two days. It also doesn’t give out nearly the detail the Alberta Electric System Operator (AESO) provides.||
https://tinyurl.com/drrfbjep

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:22 AM (Vwz3I)

76 Excellent thread, btw. Thanks!

Posted by: Lola at December 30, 2022 11:22 AM (p39Z2)

77 I still like the idea of space based solar generation. That says the future to me. Of course, our orbitals are full of debris...

A recent article I read suggests that we'll build very large panel arrays (on the order of square miles) and that they'll be quite far out, e.g. 24,000 miles from earth. That should eliminate much of the debris problem.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:22 AM (eOEVl)

78 ||Alberta’s seen its power grid struggle in recent days as cold weather has meant substantially less wind production while demand has spiked.

Well, Saskatchewan is also seeing demand climb, and wind power drop. No grid alerts here, at least yet.||

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:23 AM (Vwz3I)

79 "We shouldn't rely on Gulf Arabs for energy. Also, we should not mine our own energy sources."
-Paul

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

80 Srsly considering a whole house genny.

Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

So am I.

It's pricey, and plumbing the gas line is a pain in the ass, but lugging the generator out every time we lose power is getting old.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:23 AM (XIJ/X)

81 Prove to me that a warmer climate is bad, asshats.

Posted by: Equitorial flora and fauna abundance at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (3Or4S)

82 I'm so old I remember when America was energy independent.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (DhOHl)

83 73 "Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer "

My question is always "when was the climate perfect?"
Posted by: fd at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (iayUP)

Right before republicans started denying it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (KbCG3)

84 The state of Texas is going into a near apocalyptical event this weekend.

There will be no liquor sales for 61 hours.

Sunday and New Year's Day, observed, Monday.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

85 Prove to me that a warmer climate is bad, asshats.

Posted by: Equitorial flora and fauna abundance

Done!

Posted by: Venus at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (eOEVl)

86 I got a whole house generator this year and the price was easily twice what it would have been 5 years ago.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (UuD2k)

87 "We shouldn't rely on Gulf Arabs for energy. Also, we should not mine our own energy sources."
-Paul
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood

We should embrace the ice.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (FVME7)

88 A recent article I read suggests that we'll build very large panel arrays (on the order of square miles) and that they'll be quite far out, e.g. 24,000 miles from earth. That should eliminate much of the debris problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:22 AM (eOEVl)

That would be very cool. The energy is out there.

I just had a mental image of the Sun's Dad yelling at him for heating up the whole neighborhood...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (zZu0s)

89 It is time for the “adults in the room” in both politics and business to stop giving lip service to the lie that we can replace this country’s energy needs with “renewables.” It is not possible, and pretending that it is possible is a very dangerous lie that could have catastrophic consequences.

You are assuming that they have any intention of replacing the current energy needs in this country, or any country, for that matter. I had a long discussion of this during the holidays with some pretty smart people, and we looked for the reason for the policy decisions, keeping an open mind.

The only conclusion we could draw is that the end goal is population reduction.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (lTGtQ)

90 Prove to me that a warmer climate is bad, asshats.
Posted by: Equitorial flora and fauna abundance at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (3Or4S)

*Nancy Pelosi's cleavage bathing suit pic enters the chat*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

91 People who are confident in their conclusions don't need to fudge the data. I'm not ready to say that there is NO man-made climate change, just that it's insignificant, if it exists at all.

The very last thing in the world anyone involved in the climate change scam wants is actual solutions. They want to "manage" the problem, where the "management" always involves you being more miserable and living worse than you currently do.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (CecP5)

92 I culled the otters.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 30, 2022 11:01 AM (atmen)
***

Ohhhhh...
Did I just hear a .45 get racked?
Where's nurse?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2022 11:09 AM

Only the river otters, surely. No true Moron would whack those adorable sea otters and make nurse cry/lock/load.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (YgIxk)

93 85 Prove to me that a warmer climate is bad, asshats.

Posted by: Equitorial flora and fauna abundance

Done!
Posted by: Venus at December 30, 2022 11:24 AM (eOEVl)

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*checks notes*
*scratches off "Move Earth 24 million miles closer to sun" off list of things to do*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:25 AM (LvTSG)

94 Come hell or high water we in NY and California are going to do it anyway. We along are doing this to save the planet. The governors don't care about the facts shown above, they will do what they want. We in NY will not have natural gas to kick around anymore. The state utilities are telling them the can't guarantee bad things won't happen...Since they aren't allowed to build anything except wind farms and solar. Everything must be electric by 2030-35.

Posted by: Colin at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (4p2ug)

95 AGW is a religion for some whackos… or another Covid-type Op for TPTB…. Or maybe they’re kindred spirits with Ted Kazinski and want to go back to Stone Age culture…. Whatever the case they seem bent on a path that will get us all killed

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (xT8gx)

96 They want mass deaths. They think the world is meant to be lived on only by certain desirable types. You people, of course, are undesirable. It doesn't matter to them if you die by disease, war or freezing to death. As long as you die.

Posted by: The common denominator at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (e1sK0)

97 When my wife is in charge of the erf thermostat, believe me you, we gonna have a warmer planet!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid and his delicate, tropical-flower spouse at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (3Or4S)

98 22 NASA used to publish a trend of their temperature adjustments to past data. They no longer do so for obvious reasons. It was too easy for people to notice that all the warming they were claiming was in the adjustments and not the actual data.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:09 AM (Y5qcH)

There is a big argument is the scientism community on whether to use 1880s as baseline for global warming or early 1910s.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (BRHaw)

99 96 AGW is a religion for some whackos… or another Covid-type Op for TPTB…. Or maybe they’re kindred spirits with Ted Kazinski and want to go back to Stone Age culture…. Whatever the case they seem bent on a path that will get us all killed
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (xT8gx)

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AGW is the opiate of the masses.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

100 It is always safest to assume that Kurt has his statistics wrong. I'm not suggesting that he is willfully lying, just stupid.

Oh, who am I kidding, he's both stupid and a liar.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:27 AM (yQpMk)

101 Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2022 11:21 AM (H2r33)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at December 30, 2022 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

102 It's worth recalling that 15,000 years ago (or thereabouts) the first human to come to this hemisphere *walked* here: the level of the sea was several hundred feet lower than it is now, due to massive glaciation. *That* is climate change, and thank goodness it happened!

Posted by: Nemo at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (S6ArX)

I think humans were here earlier....maybe by 15-20k yrs.

Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

103 There is a great hilly plain north of the Glacier Park on the Canadian side that is littered with windmills - at any time at most 1 in 3 are working. It's a running joke in Alberta.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at December 30, 2022 11:27 AM (oWBc3)

104 Oh, who am I kidding, he's both stupid and a liar.

*buffs nails on lapel*

Posted by: And at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (eOEVl)

105 The best part of climate change is the left setting themselves up for spectacular failure.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (UuD2k)

106 Building solar panels in AZ or southern CA makes sense.

Building them in the northern parts of the US is pure idiocy.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 30, 2022 11:08 AM (lc5cP)

Thing is, for the cost of a huge solar panel farm, which generates practically nothing for 12 hours a day, you could build a nuke plant, which puts out 24/7.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (tkR6S)

107 I shake my head when I think about what could have been with nuclear in this country - blame Three Mile Island or Jack Lemmon, I don't know.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at December 30, 2022 11:29 AM (oWBc3)

108 And so many houses have only electric or if they have nat. gas the furnace still needs electric to run the fan and work. I live in an electric heat house myself with a fireplace, not wood stove that hasn't been used in two decades so it would be a risk to try to use it in a cold snap electrical outage. But I do have a propane furnace in the camper so that has always been plan B.

Shucks, I need a new plan B now, I don't know that I could get dad to and into my camper, especially if there was snow on the ground.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 30, 2022 11:29 AM (3cGpq)

109 I think humans were here earlier....maybe by 15-20k yrs.
Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

The Snake Mound could be 18k years old.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 11:29 AM (BRHaw)

110 107 Thing is, for the cost of a huge solar panel farm, which generates practically nothing for 12 hours a day, you could build a nuke plant, which puts out 24/7.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (tkR6S)

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Except that every nuclear power plant has turned into a mushroom cloud and killed billions of people.

Check and mate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

111 Except that every nuclear power plant has turned into a mushroom cloud and killed billions of people.

Check and mate.

To say nothing of the zombie epidemic.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:30 AM (eOEVl)

112 97 They want mass deaths. They think the world is meant to be lived on only by certain desirable types. You people, of course, are undesirable. It doesn't matter to them if you die by disease, war or freezing to death. As long as you die.

Posted by: The common denominator at December 30, 2022 11:26 AM (e1sK0)

Hey, our growing season may be a little longer.

Who gives a fuck about those farmers? Won't someone think of the coasts?!?!?!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 30, 2022 11:30 AM (KbCG3)

113 Thing is, for the cost of a huge solar panel farm, which generates practically nothing for 12 hours a day, you could build a nuke plant, which puts out 24/7.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (tkR6S)

And how does China make money off that??

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 11:30 AM (BRHaw)

114 106 The best part of climate change is the left setting themselves up for spectacular failure.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (UuD2k)

Failure is the point, that way they can roll even harder into their solution instead of reassessing. 'Falling in Love with a Solution' is the problem when it is done in good faith (but still foolish.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:30 AM (zZu0s)

115 I always tell the cultists to back to me when the French vintners are demanding protection from the influx of cheap English wine again like in the Medieval Warm Period.
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Veni, vidi, vino!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (Vwz3I)

116 Solar power will always have limited effectiveness. There is only so much sunlight incident on a square foot of area. Even if the panels were 100% efficient, they would still need gargantuan areas to meet even a fraction of our energy needs.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (UuD2k)

117 The point of my wall of text? Invest in generator companies. Now.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2022 11:05 AM (QxSDX)

Has not Biden voiced a desire to ban natural gas?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (1Z8zZ)

118 The best part of climate change is the left setting themselves up for spectacular failure.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (UuD2k)

How many will die in the name of that failure? What will be the repercussion?

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

119 The Texas grid lost 50% of the windmill power, even with no ice. What kept the lights on was locally produced natural gas ramping up by around 40%

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (lTGtQ)

120 Posted on Cafe read India who is all gaga on Global warming got the polar wave and got to know 30s, and no one in India thought they need heat in houses.

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (Jvg71)

121 Damn.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

122 Solar panels AS a supplement, probably do make sense in Calif. and Arizona. Electric demand is higher those places during summer heat waves when solar is available, and maybe somewhat in Texas so long as the utilities plan carefully to have traditional energy sources available when cold fronts may hit.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 30, 2022 11:32 AM (3cGpq)

123 Damn! No coral reefs in Manhatten.

Posted by: The Undersea World of Jaques Cousteau at December 30, 2022 11:32 AM (3Or4S)

124 Much of the Inflation Reduction Act is to fund Climate Change Follies. It's a kind of theft on a trillion dollar scale.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2022 11:32 AM (SJsWC)

125 Snake Mound 15k not 18 sorry

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (BRHaw)

126 Wind and solar are, at best, an augment. I don't hate them as an augment to the power supply. But you cannot run a civilization on wind and solar power.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (V6f9+)

127 It's worth recalling that 15,000 years ago (or thereabouts) the first human to come to this hemisphere *walked* here: the level of the sea was several hundred feet lower than it is now, due to massive glaciation. *That* is climate change, and thank goodness it happened!
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I'm sorry, Nemo, but Native Americans evolved here and have always been in the so-called "Americas".

So we're going to send the Army Corps of Engineers to bury your house under 20,000 tons of concrete to prove it so.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (Vwz3I)

128 We should be drilling and mining the heck out of everything cheap all the time to the degree that consumption demands. Anything less is forced punishment of the masses. I find it crazy how this whole doomsday death cult has pretty much taken over the entire west. Crazed puritanical religious nuts ready to burn all the heretics at the stake.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (PY/t0)

129 The thing with coal, gas or nukes is that you can dial up the power (within reason) or scale it down as needed. You cannot change how much wind is blowing or how much sun you get. Space based solar changes that metric by a lot, but I see no real serious push for this by the global warming advocates.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (zZu0s)

130 I know ace needs to make money, but most of my ads are either views up noses or of nasty toeses. I've done nothing to deserve this.
Posted by: fd at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (iayUP)

I think the adservers, (google, right?) are controlled by Commies, and they are deliberate salting the HQ with gross ads in an effort to drive regulars away, and to make the site like the Weekly World News to casual visitors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (tkR6S)

131 126 Wind and solar are, at best, an augment. I don't hate them as an augment to the power supply. But you cannot run a civilization on wind and solar power.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (V6f9+)

Britannia rules the Waves!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (zZu0s)

132 54...(Colorado has lost at least two weeks of growing season in the last ten years). ...
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 30, 2022 11:18 AM (nC+QA)

We've lost 10-14 days at each end of the gruesome season. Great Lakes region. This is the last 10 years, as well.

Used to be able to plant out in mid May, no frost protection. We're lucky if Memorial weekend is warm enough.

Used to have tomatoes outside into early October. Only in the hoop house, now. Outside in October only the cooler crops work.

Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (Rbu5d)

133 >> There is a great hilly plain north of the Glacier Park on the Canadian side that is littered with windmills - at any time at most 1 in 3 are working. It's a running joke in Alberta.

The fucking noise those things make is ridiculous.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (3PpJj)

134 Suspect in custody in Univ. of Idaho murders

Posted by: Flopsper at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (QF285)

135 Solar only makes sense on a micro level in places like AZ, NM, and TX. Industrial level solar is beyond stupid. This, on top of the fact most solar is without battery storage which is just plain dumb. Panels are cheap, as are the inverters to convert DC to AC. The batteries are very expensive in the amp hours needed to store enough energy to be effective.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (l7Kbv)

136 119 The Texas grid lost 50% of the windmill power, even with no ice. What kept the lights on was locally produced natural gas ramping up by around 40%
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM (lTGtQ)

It is supposed to provide 34 or 35 GW and on a good day does 5. On the 25th I think it did 2.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (BRHaw)

137 132...Gruesome. Ha! Meant "growing."

Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (Rbu5d)

138 Space based solar changes that metric by a lot, but I see no real serious push for this by the global warming advocates.

There are a few serious people in the mix, but 99% are just there for social status.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

139 Wind and solar are, at best, an augment. I don't hate them as an augment to the power supply.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (V6f9+)

I do. Besides the obvious graft, building out "renewables" just takes funds away from reliable energy sources.

We might as well burn dollar bills for heat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (yQpMk)

140 dammit

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (yQpMk)

141 But you cannot run a civilization on wind and solar power.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (V6f9+)

We've done that. We already know what life was like when it was. Doing it again, on purpose, is the dumbest concept in human history.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (UuD2k)

142 Posted on Cafe read India who is all gaga on Global warming got the polar wave and got to know 30s, and no one in India thought they need heat in houses.
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2022 11:31 AM

Oh, my goodness, whoops! Whoopsie!

- India's Government

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:36 AM (YgIxk)

143 Thing is, for the cost of a huge solar panel farm, which generates practically nothing for 12 hours a day, you could build a nuke plant, which puts out 24/7.
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And only takes up four, or whatever, acres of arable land.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:36 AM (Vwz3I)

144 We might as well burn dollar bills for heat.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (yQpMk)

Might help as a deflationary source.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:36 AM (zZu0s)

145 >>Much of the Inflation Reduction Act is to fund Climate Change Follies. It's a kind of theft on a trillion dollar scale.

Anyone remember Solyndra?

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:36 AM (3PpJj)

146 The fucking noise those things make is ridiculous.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (3PpJj)

They are outrageously intrusive. Tall and ugly. Give me one nuke plant over 10s of thousands of windmills.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:36 AM (XIJ/X)

147 139 Wind and solar are, at best, an augment. I don't hate them as an augment to the power supply.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:33 AM (V6f9+)

I do. Besides the obvious graft, building out "renewables" just takes funds away from reliable energy sources.

We might as well burn dollar bills for heat.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (yQpMk)

I suppose funding power is about making choices, from that point of view, I get you. But I like little solar panels for charging personal electronics. I don't mind wind power used for pumping and irrigation.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:37 AM (V6f9+)

148 99 - It’s a religion for sure! Would Marx approve?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 30, 2022 11:37 AM (qecxw)

149 There is a shit ton level of solar being installed all over south Texas. I predict thousands of acres of contaminated pastures in our future.

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 11:38 AM (DB6tu)

150 It is supposed to provide 34 or 35 GW and on a good day does 5. On the 25th I think it did 2.

Posted by: rhennigantx

Yes, I think about 5GW is the best it has done, and lost half of that because it was cold. Great way to spend $66 billion.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:38 AM (lTGtQ)

151 We've done that. We already know what life was like when it was. Doing it again, on purpose, is the dumbest concept in human history.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (UuD2k)

Yep. Satayana weeps.

We have records of pre-industrial life. It sucked.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:38 AM (V6f9+)

152 It’s a religion for sure! Would Marx approve?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 30, 2022 11:37 AM (qecxw)

Marx was a pimp. He could never have outfought Friedman.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:38 AM (yQpMk)

153 But I like little solar panels for charging personal electronics. I don't mind wind power used for pumping and irrigation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:37 AM (V6f9+)

Solar makes sense for electronics because their energy needs are trivial compare to even a 1/2 hp motor.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (Y5qcH)

154 >> Space based solar changes that metric by a lot, but I see no real serious push for this by the global warming advocates.

Great. So. Now you have 'green' power in Space.

How does that help anyone? You know. Here. On earth.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (3PpJj)

155 Industrial level solar is beyond stupid.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (l7Kbv)

I guess there a few places where it would make some sort of sense, but what would that be...0.1% of industrial production?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (XIJ/X)

156 It's worth recalling that 15,000 years ago (or thereabouts) the first human to come to this hemisphere *walked* here: the level of the sea was several hundred feet lower than it is now, due to massive glaciation. *That* is climate change, and thank goodness it happened!

Posted by: Nemo at December 30, 2022 11:17 AM (S6ArX)

I think humans were here earlier....maybe by 15-20k yrs.
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They sailed a long long time ago. Whether by design or getting blown off course in storm they wound up here a long time ago.

Posted by: shirley you can not be serious at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (e1sK0)

157 But you cannot run a civilization on wind and solar power.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Well, technically, you can. It has been done. We call it the medieval age.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (lTGtQ)

158 Great. So. Now you have 'green' power in Space.

How does that help anyone? You know. Here. On earth.
Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (3PpJj)

The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (zZu0s)

159 I predict thousands of acres of contaminated pastures in our future.

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 11:38 AM (DB6tu)

What happens to the animals and plants that lived on those 1,000s of acres?

Do the enviro-whackos relocate them to greener pastures?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (XIJ/X)

160 Running Joke was the most fierce warrior in the tribe but he hadn't lost his sense of humor.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (FVME7)

161 And a nuclear plant in PA is building a bitcoin mine on site and will commit 12% of its output to mining at $0.02/ KWh.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (C2ZTD)

162 blown off course
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Save those double-entendres for the Art Thread!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (Vwz3I)

163 You want solar panels in space.

I want a space elevator.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (LvTSG)

164 And, as usual, what happens in Alberta weatherwise is usually what happens here the following day.

In order to protect proprietary data, SaskPower delays its reporting of power production by two days. It also doesn’t give out nearly the detail the Alberta Electric System Operator (AESO) provides.||
https://tinyurl.com/drrfbjep
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:22 AM (Vwz3I)

And when the temperature falls into the -20 to -40 range (centigrade) the wind generators, even if "winterized" don't put out because there isn't an fucking wind. The cold air just sits there. There are strong winds as the front moves in, and when it finally gets driven out, but in the meantime, very little wind.

There is a big wind farm 2 miles from my house, and I can see the damned things not turning.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (tkR6S)

165 80 Srsly considering a whole house genny.
Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

So am I.
It's pricey, and plumbing the gas line is a pain in the ass, but lugging the generator out every time we lose power is getting old.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:23 AM (XIJ/X)

We got one a few years ago.
One of the best $$ we've spent, in our opinion.

Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (Rbu5d)

166 >>The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.

The Power on Bong Compels You!

Seriously. Might as well just put a Coal Fired Plant on the Moon. Would reap the same benefits.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (3PpJj)

167 I think humans were here earlier....maybe by 15-20k yrs.

Yeah, there is a good argument that humans used the previous "ice bridge" to come here from Asia.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (yQpMk)

168 now do ethanol...
Remember when Ted Cruz won the Iowa caucus by convincing the local corn growers there ethanol was a loser's gambit? fun fun times

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (DB6tu)

169 161 And a nuclear plant in PA is building a bitcoin mine on site and will commit 12% of its output to mining at $0.02/ KWh.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (C2ZTD)

Sorry, but that's a stupid use of power.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (Y5qcH)

170 Britannia rules the Waves!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM (zZu0s)

Perfidious Albion aside...point taken. Yes, empires existed before electricity.

But I'll take my hot water and flush toilets and electric light, thank you. That is what civilization means to me, figuratively if not literally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (V6f9+)

171 >>> Great. So. Now you have 'green' power in Space.

How does that help anyone? You know. Here. On earth.
Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (3PpJj)

Getting the energy was never the hard part. Beaming it down some how was where a lot of the research effort was. Any massive dense transfer of energy isn't something you would want to have an oopsie with aiming wise.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (PY/t0)

172 Economically, they think they can make more money mining bitcoin than selling the electricity on the grid.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (C2ZTD)

173 What it's like living in a very red county, i.e. this is how you shut down groomers:

A local bar/tapas joint hosted a "family friendly" drag show. The county hit them with a code violation for having "adult entertainment", looked into their revenue and saw they were below 50% in food sales, and then pulled the liquor license. Now it's closing down.

Posted by: Bert G at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (aCgRi)

174 James Delingpole wrote about this years ago. His blog had GIFs that were references from NASA's own website.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (44ww/)

175 The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM

*rubs hands in glee at the first worldwide class action suit for increased cancers from microwave power transmission*

Posted by: Bottom Feeding Tort Lawers Everywhere at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (YgIxk)

176 The best part of climate change is the left setting themselves up for spectacular failure.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:28 AM (UuD2k)

They will never fail.
They will either just move on to the next big thing.
Or...
Claim that they are really close to a breakthru and all they need is another trillion dollars.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (anj39)

177 Well, technically, you can. It has been done. We call it the medieval age.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (lTGtQ)

Point

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (V6f9+)

178 The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (zZu0s)

I see no way this can go wrong.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (yQpMk)

179 "The recent arctic blast of cold air would have been a mass casualty event if renewables were the only source of energy."

Buck, you think this is a bug? It's a FEATURE. Only the deplorables and undesirables would have died. The rich liberals and professional government class would have been safe and secure using private generators. That's already the way it works. You think power outages affect the rich? They do not. The rich have their own generators.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (iFTx/)

180 The relentless push for Gaia energy is the Western world committing Jim Jones mass suicide with the Greta Thunberg reprising his role. Or Klaus Schwab if you think this role in male specific.

Posted by: Lost in Space at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (c7ca9)

181 Getting the energy was never the hard part. Beaming it down some how was where a lot of the research effort was. Any massive dense transfer of energy isn't something you would want to have an oopsie with aiming wise.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (PY/t0)

Even with that, it seemed like a more logical use of time and resources to work on than building Helios One.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (zZu0s)

182 At some point, all the BS about renewable energy will die out, like all fads eventually do. The Buffalo NY death toll of people freezing in their cars and homes makes a good cautionary tale.

Posted by: Ziba at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (4h9M3)

183 Solar only makes sense on a micro level in places like AZ, NM, and TX.
==
It sure as Fcuk makes no sense in Cleveland Ohio. Honestly, people who can't do math, who become experts by watching cable news or going on twitter are the absolute death of civilization. Those outlets are/were wholly controlled by grifters and they get paid to shape a narrative so that stoops who can't do math will demand green energy.

Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (m42w/)

184 “But you cannot run a civilization on wind and solar power.”

Now we have electricity which magically come from outlets in our walls. - Michigan official

(Can’t recall the name.)

Posted by: Rex B at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (NBGQS)

185 >>I see no way this can go wrong.

It's Raining Rotisserie Eagles!

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (3PpJj)

186 What it's like living in a very red county, i.e. this is how you shut down groomers:

A local bar/tapas joint hosted a "family friendly" drag show. The county hit them with a code violation for having "adult entertainment", looked into their revenue and saw they were below 50% in food sales, and then pulled the liquor license. Now it's closing down.

Posted by: Bert G at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (aCgRi)

That's how you do it!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (anj39)

187 153 But I like little solar panels for charging personal electronics. I don't mind wind power used for pumping and irrigation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:37 AM (V6f9+)

Solar makes sense for electronics because their energy needs are trivial compare to even a 1/2 hp motor.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (Y5qcH)

Very true

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (V6f9+)

188 What happens to the animals and plants that lived on those 1,000s of acres?

Do the enviro-whackos relocate them to greener pastures?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Michael Shellenberger, who was a relatively high level person at the Sierra Club, was involved in a California solar project. They had to relocate or kill hundreds of endangered turtles, and clear cut acres of various rare plant species to enable the solar farm to be built. It changed his perspective completely. He has a Ted talk on the subject that is quite good.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (lTGtQ)

189 *rubs hands in glee at the first worldwide class action suit for increased cancers from microwave power transmission*
Posted by: Bottom Feeding Tort Lawers Everywhere at December 30, 2022 11:42 AM (YgIxk)

You are soaking in EMR right now- and have for your entire life.

Vic is probably the only one who hasn't... maybe that's why he is so long lived?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (zZu0s)

190 rsly considering a whole house genny.
Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

So am I.
It's pricey, and plumbing the gas line is a pain in the ass, but lugging the generator out every time we lose power is getting old.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:23 AM (XIJ/X)

We got one a few years ago.
One of the best $$ we've spent, in our opinion.
Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM

Looking at properties just over the border in New Hamster. A remarkably large number have "whole house generator" mentioned in the listing. This is a good thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (YgIxk)

191 Actually, you can generate power in space just by extending a current carrying conductor in orbit. As it passes through the Earth's magnetic field, it will act as a generator. NASA has done experiments with this.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (Y5qcH)

192 At some point, all the BS about renewable energy will die out, like all fads eventually do. The Buffalo NY death toll of people freezing in their cars and homes makes a good cautionary tale.
Posted by: Ziba at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (4h9M3)

It matters not, it will just be replaced with the next crisis that requires you to surrender your wealth and liberty to the communists.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (yQpMk)

193 188 Michael Shellenberger, who was a relatively high level person at the Sierra Club, was involved in a California solar project. They had to relocate or kill hundreds of endangered turtles, and clear cut acres of various rare plant species to enable the solar farm to be built. It changed his perspective completely. He has a Ted talk on the subject that is quite good.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2022 11:44 AM (lTGtQ)

==========

That's the sort of thing that would have easily denied almost any other construction project.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

194 Getting the energy was never the hard part. Beaming it down some how was where a lot of the research effort was. Any massive dense transfer of energy isn't something you would want to have an oopsie with aiming wise.

The current plan is to beam the power by microwaves or lasers to a large terrestrial dish, and if the beam deviates from the target, it is shut off. I think sabotage of the system or a meteor strike is more likely than death rays.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (eOEVl)

195 Water impoundments + Gravity = Greenest Energy Possible.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (3PpJj)

196 The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.
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We are going to this planet. Even as our emissaries negotiate for peace with the Federation, we will act for the preservation of our race! We will seize the secret of this weapon. The secret of ultimate power!

Posted by: Commander Kruge at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (Vwz3I)

197 Damn! No coral reefs in Manhatten.
Posted by: The Undersea World of Jaques Cousteau at December 30, 2022 11:32 AM (3Or4S)

"But there's scuba in the subway!"

- - Toure, media genius

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

198 I guess there a few places where it would make some sort of sense, but what would that be...0.1% of industrial production?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (XIJ/X)

Exactly. Solar doesn't scale well. Here in AZ there are massive solar farms. Made of black panels. In the Arizona sun. What do solar panels do when they get hot? Severely reduced production.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (l7Kbv)

199 5 The same type of lying fucks who work at the FBI also work at NASA

When I was at NASA it was mostly staffed by conservatives. Of course I was in the "Actually does something", Rocket Science, section of the agency.

The lame "Space Cadet" part of the agency which dreams up things like man made Ozone holes over the poles, while failing to notice that UV light creates Ozone, and that very little light reaches the poles during their Winter season, is the part of NASA you are thinking about. The Ozone holes have not changed a bit since we outlawed Freon, because the holes are natural occurrences. The hole over Antarctica is bigger because southern hemisphere winters receive even less sunlight than artic winters do, because the Earth is farther from the sun during southern hemisphere winters.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (CecP5)

200 The climate is changing, it is other factors keeping temperatures steady. They will rise suddenly unless we (you) make drastic changes right now!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (C2ZTD)

201 191 Actually, you can generate power in space just by extending a current carrying conductor in orbit. As it passes through the Earth's magnetic field, it will act as a generator. NASA has done experiments with this.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:45 AM (Y5qcH)

That is very cool.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (zZu0s)

202 Sorry, but that's a stupid use of power.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (Y5qcH)

Well, they have some extra capacity after the project to create Fetterman and his lump succeeded.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (XIJ/X)

203 If Texans had clapped harder and just BELIEVED, solar and wind would've kept houses warm, the lights on, the whole power grid purring like a kitten.

Posted by: Fairy tales can come true at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (II3Gr)

204 The Hill@thehill
White House aides recall in new book Biden’s fury over border: "You could hear the president cursing"
. . . .
Afghan withdrawal left Biden frustrated, sleepless: book https://trib.al/QSbAU5S

-
Joe is the real victim. I guess the title of the book Bullshit Propaganda.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (FVME7)

205 A local bar/tapas joint hosted a "family friendly" drag show. The county hit them with a code violation for having "adult entertainment", looked into their revenue and saw they were below 50% in food sales, and then pulled the liquor license. Now it's closing down.

So clueless. These demoniacs are so excited at the prospect of corrupting young minds, they forget where they are.

Posted by: kallisto at December 30, 2022 11:47 AM (dCxaZ)

206 204 Joe is the real victim. I guess the title of the book Bullshit Propaganda.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (FVME7)

==========

Makes Joe seem powerless and inept.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:47 AM (LvTSG)

207 They sailed a long long time ago. Whether by design or getting blown off course in storm they wound up here a long time ago.
Posted by: shirley you can not be serious at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (e1sK0)

It was quite possible they came by Beringia along the edges of the sea ice, and down the west coast continental shelves to South America

There are some indications that the very earliest population in the Americas is in South America, though, and claims that they came from Australasia.
They wouldn't have been a casual shipwreck, to get a stable population you (probably) need between 500 and 1500 founders. That is a lot of shipwrecked people to get from Asia to South America There is some questions if Australasians could have sailed in that number to South America directly, but they might have poked along a hypothetical expanded Antarctic ice sheet to Tierra del Fuego.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 30, 2022 11:47 AM (xhaym)

208 The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.
==
Ha ha ha ha. Its just that simple eh? FFS.
How efficient is microwave power transfer?
Under experimental conditions, microwave conversion efficiency was measured to be around 54% across one meter. Stated differently, there is no microwave power transmission on the ground, let alone from space.

Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:47 AM (UkC1K)

209 I don't doubt that generating power off planet is possible. But how in the world do you imagine you are getting it TO the planet?

Every idea is a colossal waste of energy to net no new energy.

Just burn the fucking fuels God gave you.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:48 AM (3PpJj)

210 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (CecP5)

Yes, we don't talk about the ozone hole any more because it has become clear to any still studying it that we were completely wrong about the Freon thing and they still can't predict the size of the whole even a year out.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:48 AM (Y5qcH)

211 You want solar panels in space.

I want a space elevator.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:41 AM (LvTSG)

*he's secretly asking for a stairway to Heaven*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

212 OT but since I was willowed, plus it will make the filth boohoo:
https://is.gd/C3ow6B
Abortions in Texas drop 97% after Roe reversal
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 30, 2022 11:16 AM (llON

Praise the Lord!

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (1Z8zZ)

213 211 *he's secretly asking for a stairway to Heaven*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

========

No Stairway.

Denied.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

214 The Hill@thehill
White House aides recall in new book Biden’s fury over border: "You could hear the president cursing"
. . . .
Afghan withdrawal left Biden frustrated, sleepless: book https://trib.al/QSbAU5S

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Joe is the real victim. I guess the title of the book Bullshit Propaganda.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (FVME7)

All lies. All they have is lies.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)

215 That is a lot of shipwrecked people to get from Asia to South America There is some questions if Australasians could have sailed in that number to South America directly, but they might have poked along a hypothetical expanded Antarctic ice sheet to Tierra del Fuego.
==
You get blown off course and land there. Reprovision and return home. Tell others what you found. Later larger groups relocate. Its not populated by shipwrecks. Its one ship get blown off course and they report what is there on their return.

Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (k1eGz)

216 Ha ha ha ha. Its just that simple eh? FFS.
How efficient is microwave power transfer?
Under experimental conditions, microwave conversion efficiency was measured to be around 54% across one meter. Stated differently, there is no microwave power transmission on the ground, let alone from space.

Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:47 AM (UkC1K)

Dude, I think Airships are grand.

To be fair, I still think earth based nukes are the way to go.

And Project ORION for space travel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (zZu0s)

217 I've been using the term "boutique green" for years.

If I do say so myself, I think it really gets to the heart of the issue.

Posted by: Synova at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (BD/yx)

218 138 Space based solar changes that metric by a lot, but I see no real serious push for this by the global warming advocates.

There are a few serious people in the mix, but 99% are just there for social status.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:35 AM (eOEVl)

---------------------------------

That, and it's not about meeting energy needs. It's about controlling other people's behavior.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (uPgE/)

219 204 The Hill@thehill
White House aides recall in new book Biden’s fury over border: "You could hear the president cursing"
. . . .
Afghan withdrawal left Biden frustrated, sleepless: book https://trib.al/QSbAU5S

-
Joe is the real victim. I guess the title of the book Bullshit Propaganda.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 30, 2022 11:46 AM (FVME7)

No one weeps for the puppets.
Not since Jim Henson died, at least.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (V6f9+)

220 Ha ha ha ha. Its just that simple eh? FFS.
How efficient is microwave power transfer?
Under experimental conditions, microwave conversion efficiency was measured to be around 54% across one meter. Stated differently, there is no microwave power transmission on the ground, let alone from space.

Who said it was simple?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (eOEVl)

221 Here in PA, where we have some of the lowest watt/ meter solar in the country, solar is getting big. They have a good salesman.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (C2ZTD)

222 If only Edison hadn't had Telsa murdered...

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (yQpMk)

223 Off to change the spark plugs in the wife's Expedition.

Pray for me......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

224 I paid for a Generac generator in August 2020. This was when Covid was messing with everything production wise. By December I was convinced I got swindled. I called Generac in Wisconsin and told them about it and they assured me my vendor was legit but they had production problems due to the coof. It finally showed up in Feb. 2021.

After getting schooled on how to use it I walk in the house and tell DanMa'am "I hope I never hear that thing run."

9 days later Uri hit. That thing ran the pool pumps AND the electric central heat! The guy that sold it to me couldn't believe a 22kW would handle it.

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (DB6tu)

225 But I like little solar panels for charging personal electronics. I don't mind wind power used for pumping and irrigation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:37 AM (V6f9+)

Solar makes sense for electronics because their energy needs are trivial compare to even a 1/2 hp motor.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:39 AM (Y5qcH)

Note that with pumping and irrigation, you are effectively storing the energy produced by the intermittent sources, without using expensive and inefficient batteries. It is an almost ideal fit between supply and demand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (tkR6S)

226 >>No Stairway.

Denied.

Perhaps just the Solo?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Noz3NWFhVA0

Trust.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (3PpJj)

227 *he's secretly asking for a stairway to Heaven*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:48 AM

*smashes guitar*

No.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (YgIxk)

228 Biden is going to take the border outside and kick its ass.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (C2ZTD)

229 [iAt the same time, total wind production collapsed, dropping to a mere 45 GW.

That's ok, the winds only go calm after a cold front goes thru and it gets really cold.

I mean, how often does that happen?

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (HjfVN)

230 I put that chart up on Facebook. Haven't had any renewables fan bois comment yet.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (9uCBG)

231 You can power anything anywhere with enough solar panels.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:51 AM (C2ZTD)

232 Its one ship get blown off course and they report what is there on their return.

Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:49 AM (k1eGz)

Uhhh...sailing ships?....30k yrs. ago?

Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2022 11:51 AM (AwYPR)

233 Is there anyone suggesting wind powered cargo ships yet?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 30, 2022 11:51 AM (uz3Px)

234 "It was quite possible they came by Beringia along the edges of the sea ice, and down the west coast continental shelves to South America"

How about here?
We've already come up with 18 words for snow. Can we keep going south?

How about here?
Too effing cold, Chief. Further south.

Here?
I haven't golfed in 3 years, Chief. Keep going south.

Posted by: Native Americans at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (FJYfm)

235 243...And only takes up four, or whatever, acres of arable land.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:36 AM (Vwz3I)

But nuclear plants do not need to be on arable land.
The only solar installations I've seen are on firmer farm (arable) land.

Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (Rbu5d)

236 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (C2ZTD)

237
Anyone remember Solyndra?
Posted by: garrett
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Smaller scale, of course, but my favorite Obama 'Stimulus' 'green' bust was literally a bust. Beacon Energy flywheel blowing up. It is *very* difficult to find any internet reference to the event, but here is this:
"Flywheels fail at energy project
Neighbor says loud explosion shook walls of home; "
https://tinyurl.com/y5qdfh4y
Result? Another Obama bankruptcy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (dXorq)

238 "Off to change the spark plugs in the wife's Expedition.

Pray for me......"

If you have that 5.4 liter engine DO NOT EVEN TRY IT!!!111!!

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (DB6tu)

239 Perhaps just the Solo?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Noz3NWFhVA0

Trust.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM

You, sir, are a great American, crocs notwithstanding.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (YgIxk)

240 233 Is there anyone suggesting wind powered cargo ships yet?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 30, 2022 11:51 AM (uz3Px)

I've actually seen articles on that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (zZu0s)

241 I paid for a Generac generator in August 2020. This was when Covid was messing with everything production wise. By December I was convinced I got swindled. I called Generac in Wisconsin and told them about it and they assured me my vendor was legit but they had production problems due to the coof. It finally showed up in Feb. 2021.

After getting schooled on how to use it I walk in the house and tell DanMa'am "I hope I never hear that thing run."

9 days later Uri hit. That thing ran the pool pumps AND the electric central heat! The guy that sold it to me couldn't believe a 22kW would handle it.
Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (DB6tu)

This is making me want to get a generator.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (V6f9+)

242 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (C2ZTD)

One word: Dyson Sphere.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

243
Perhaps just the Solo?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Noz3NWFhVA0

Trust.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (3PpJj)

She's cute. I will smile upon her gallantly as I smash her guitar.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

244 *he's secretly asking for a stairway to Heaven*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:48 AM

*smashes guitar*

No.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Free biiiiiiird, yeah! * Holds Bic above head

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (9uCBG)

245 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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Dood...Mr. Fusion.

Posted by: Dr. Brown at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (dXorq)

246 Wipeout! Global Bonds And Stocks Suffer $18 Trillion Wipeout In 2022

Stocks fall in 2022′s final trading session as Wall Street wraps up worst year since 2008

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (0RYFn)

247 236 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (C2ZTD)

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Are you from the 50s, or something?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

248 The climate change folks still have no explanation or model to explain the Younger Dryas period. They was a period of rapid climate change on the scale the dwarfs what they are "predicting" for our future.

Until they can explain that, I have serious doubts about the predictive capabilities of any of their current models.

If they can't explain the past, they sure as shit can't predict the future.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (Y5qcH)

249 Actually, you can generate power in space just by extending a current carrying conductor in orbit. As it passes through the Earth's magnetic field, it will act as a generator. NASA has done experiments with this.
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My uncle had this idea in the 60's. He was a bit "off" but convinced it was perpetual motion, electricity generation, which is sort of is, given orbital velocity. The nasa experiment was finally done, long after his death and vindicated his concept. It was so successful it actually burned out the drag wire. The problem is you can't get it to the ground.

Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (09lBs)

250 Biden is going to take the border outside and kick its ass.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (C2ZTD)

You misspelled "behind the gym."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

251 IIANM, the sails were intended to augment diesel propulsion for the cargo ships. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (zZu0s)

252 246 Wipeout! Global Bonds And Stocks Suffer $18 Trillion Wipeout In 2022

Stocks fall in 2022′s final trading session as Wall Street wraps up worst year since 2008
Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (0RYFn)

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And Democrats largely retained power because fuck you, America.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

253 Perhaps just the Solo?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Noz3NWFhVA0

Trust.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (3PpJj)

I love Led Zeppelin but she is damn cute

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 30, 2022 11:54 AM (V6f9+)

254 Is there anyone suggesting wind powered cargo ships yet?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 30, 2022 11:51 AM (uz3Px)

I've actually seen articles on that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Funny. The ocean floor is littered with them.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:54 AM (9uCBG)

255 Are you from the 50s, or something?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

What was the name for the Nuclear powered car.... Nucleon? Something like that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:54 AM (zZu0s)

256 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.
==
You want Mr. Fusion

You'd settle for home plutonium reactor.

You'll get, a non- small pox infected blanket. If you are lucky.

Posted by: Dr. Brown at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (O8csR)

257 159...Do the enviro-whackos relocate them to greener pastures?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (XIJ/X)

They don't care. (See also: raptor deaths from windmills)

Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (Rbu5d)

258 There was a time when the PUD sold generators. Hadn't thought about using one to keep the gas furnace working.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (uz3Px)

259 Funny. The ocean floor is littered with them.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:54 AM (9uCBG)

Thar be gold on them Galleons!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (zZu0s)

260 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (C2ZTD)

Would you accept Plutonian Nyborg instead?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (l7Kbv)

261 Whoever said the medieval age ran on wind and solar. Umm, it ran on a lot of burning wood, grass, or peat or cow dung to fill in the gaps and most industry used water rather than wind. Even pre-historic man used fire to cook. Its not my field but I bet you have to go back tens of thousands of years to find mankind living without a heat source they controlled vs relying on the whims of nature.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (3cGpq)

262 221 Here in PA, where we have some of the lowest watt/ meter solar in the country, solar is getting big. They have a good salesman.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:50 AM (C2ZTD)
__________________

Probably also tons of subsidies (read: bribes and payoffs) paid by taxpayers. It's also a short-term gain. I've been asked to read these kinds of solar contracts. They are like ARM mortgages where the first few years are set at artificially low rates. That's the bait. Once you've taken the bait and are on the hook, and the period of low rates ends, THEN you find out what the costs really are. You won't be happy then.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (iFTx/)

263 You'll get, a non- small pox infected blanket. If you are lucky.
Posted by: Dr. Brown at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM

Assuming, of course, that the Empress is feeling benevolent-ish that day.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (YgIxk)

264 I guarantee Klaus Schwab and his ilk will never be the ones stuck with wind and solar powering their luxurious lifestyles.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (sVtYq)

265 "The climate change folks still have no explanation or model to explain the Younger Dryas period."

But at least they named it. "Damn, that was one Dry Ass period. Hey, wait a minute!"

Posted by: Wally at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (FJYfm)

266 She has ample talents.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (3PpJj)

267 And Democrats largely retained power because

(our elections are rigged)

Cluck you, America

Posted by: chicken or the egg? at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (UkC1K)

268 242 I am personally rooting for home plutonium reactors.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (C2ZTD)

One word: Dyson Sphere.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

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Wasn't there some excitement a while back about smaller thorium reactors? Whatever happened with those?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (uPgE/)

269 I want a space elevator.
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The Otis-Drive!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 11:57 AM (Vwz3I)

270 Assuming, of course, that the Empress is feeling benevolent-ish that day.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (YgIxk)

I thought we had disappointed her. Definitely the smallpox blankets.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:57 AM (zZu0s)

271 A space Wonkavator.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (atmen)

272 Whoever said the medieval age ran on wind and solar.

Definitely ran on solar. Wasn't POWERED by solar.

You got up when the sun came up and you went to bed when the sun went down.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (9uCBG)

273 Wasn't there some excitement a while back about smaller thorium reactors? Whatever happened with those?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (uPgE/)

The last I heard was about the Chinese building one (and the Indians?) but I have not heard anything since.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (zZu0s)

274 272 Whoever said the medieval age ran on wind and solar.

Definitely ran on solar. Wasn't POWERED by solar.

You got up when the sun came up and you went to bed when the sun went down.

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And the sun made the wood that everyone burned to stay warm in winter.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (9uCBG)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (LvTSG)

275 Posted by: PaleRider at December 30, 2022 11:55 AM (3cGpq)

Wood, grass, or peat or cow dung are all solar. There are only 3 fundamental energy coming to the Earth. The Sun, cosmic radiation, and the radioactive decay of elements on the Earth.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:59 AM (Y5qcH)

276 Suspect in custody in Univ. of Idaho murders

Posted by: Flopsper at December 30, 2022 11:34 AM

Looks like it may be a PhD student from PA that was working on thesis involving "...how emotions and psychological traits influence decision-making when committing a crime."

Link: https://tedbauer.medium.com/

Posted by: Bert G at December 30, 2022 11:59 AM (aCgRi)

277 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 30, 2022 11:59 AM (T4tVD)

278 You got up when the sun came up and you went to bed when the sun went down.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (9uCBG)

Lack of street lights must have made nightime rome a fucking terrifying place. Not to mention the 'urban' 'layout'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

279 Happy New Year Buck !

Posted by: JT at December 30, 2022 12:00 PM (T4tVD)

280 And the sun made the wood that everyone burned to stay warm in winter.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (9uCBG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 11:58 AM (LvTSG)

Sadly, no one told Grog about carbon monoxide. Lesson learned.

Posted by: Grog at December 30, 2022 12:00 PM (FJYfm)

281 278 Lack of street lights must have made nightime rome a fucking terrifying place. Not to mention the 'urban' 'layout'.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:59 AM (zZu0s)

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When Rick Perry was Secretary of Energy, he had a speech in Africa where he said that streetlights were one of the best anti-crime initiatives poor countries could invest in.

The press made fun of him for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

282 281 When Rick Perry was Secretary of Energy, he had a speech in Africa where he said that streetlights were one of the best anti-crime initiatives poor countries could invest in.

The press made fun of him for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

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But the press will treat the "right kind of Republican" fairly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

283
I guarantee Klaus Schwab and his ilk will never be the ones stuck with wind and solar powering their luxurious lifestyles.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 30, 2022 11:56 AM (sVtYq)

A big, stated part of the reason they want to destroy the energy sector is specifically to kill a large majority of the human species. Almost all of their policies work toward that goal.

Renewables may well be able to keep up to the energy needs of a 500m or so global population.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (oINRc)

284 188 Michael Shellenberger, who was a relatively high level person at the Sierra Club, was involved in a California solar project.

I've driven by. It's a monstrosity.

Posted by: Infidel at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (ZEa+g)

285 a very dangerous lie that could have catastrophic consequences.
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will

Posted by: ... at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (uw2tN)

286 285 a very dangerous lie that could have catastrophic consequences.
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will
Posted by: ... at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (uw2tN)

has

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (zZu0s)

287 >Suspect in custody in Univ. of Idaho murders

A day of relief and vindication for Professors of Gay Rodeo

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 30, 2022 12:01 PM (44ww/)

288 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 12:02 PM (zZu0s)

289 But the press will treat the "right kind of Republican" fairly.
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This is fine. We just need better quality candidates.

Posted by: Meme Dog at December 30, 2022 12:02 PM (e1sK0)

290 anybody know if Dallas beat the Titans?

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2022 12:02 PM (DB6tu)

291 Lack of street lights must have made nightime rome a fucking terrifying place. Not to mention the 'urban' 'layout'.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Didn't they burn stuff in those iron "urns"? (For a lack of a better word)

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 12:03 PM (9uCBG)

292 anybody know if Dallas beat the Titans?
Posted by: DanMan

They did. By a good margin.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 30, 2022 12:03 PM (9uCBG)

293 One day to go on my calendar...

||Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s (D) Chicago will end 2022 with the tragic figure of at least 723 murders for the year.

The Chicago Sun-Times reported the city was at 723 homicides for the year as of December 30, 2022.||

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 30, 2022 12:04 PM (Vwz3I)

294 My uncle had this idea in the 60's. He was a bit "off" but convinced it was perpetual motion, electricity generation, which is sort of is, given orbital velocity. The nasa experiment was finally done, long after his death and vindicated his concept. It was so successful it actually burned out the drag wire. The problem is you can't get it to the ground.
Posted by: innumeracy will be the end of the republic at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (09lBs)

If you extract energy from the motion of the satellite by dragging a wire through the Earth's magnetic field, you will slow the satellite down, and eventually it falls out of the sky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 12:10 PM (tkR6S)

295 What a wonderful advertisement for utility companies: "We'll power you during moderate weather, but you're on your own during dangerously high or low temperatures."

Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 30, 2022 12:11 PM (/+bwe)

296 Had an electrician install a circuit and adapter plug at the service panels for the house in order to be able to prompty hook up to a portable generator (sitting outside) & run most of the appliances in the house in the event of a power failure. (Cost less than $600 dollars for the installation.)

It's already been useful.

Posted by: Lola at December 30, 2022 12:11 PM (p39Z2)

297 IIANM, the sails were intended to augment diesel propulsion for the cargo ships. I could be wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (zZu0s)

Well, all cargo ships were driven solely by sail, up until the 1830's or so.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2022 12:12 PM (tkR6S)

298 The Biden administration on Thursday signaled some flexibility in how it would implement a revised tax credit for electric vehicles in the new Inflation Reduction Act that has rankled the European Union and other trading partners.

The Treasury Department, in a new “white paper” published Thursday, indicated it would adopt an expansive definition of which countries have a “free trade agreement” with the United States.

So the plan to grow the American EV industry now ships jobs to Europe.
Plain Fucking Stupid

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 30, 2022 12:12 PM (BRHaw)

299 248..f they can't explain the past, they sure as shit can't predict the future.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 30, 2022 11:53 AM (Y5qcH)

These people can't even predict the weather 72 hours out...

Posted by: Flyover at December 30, 2022 12:12 PM (Rbu5d)

300 632 Gigawatts?!

Posted by: Doc Brown at December 30, 2022 12:16 PM (3hgiG)

301 From Clyde Shelton:

WattsUpWithThat ClimateGate page: https://bit.ly/3I8zWQ1

Wow, thanks for that - a definite late Christmas Present.

Crazy enlightening stuff.

Posted by: Boxx Culvert, 2023 pronouns: Shad/dap at December 30, 2022 12:30 PM (TsXlW)

302 178 The power does not have to stay in space. IIRC, microwave transmission was proposed for beaming the power down to earth.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 30, 2022 11:40 AM (zZu0s)

I see no way this can go wrong.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 30, 2022 11:43 AM (yQpMk)

Can't you just see Klaus Schwab salivating at the prospect of getting his hands on the levers that control the "beam" itself.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 30, 2022 12:39 PM (CCSxw)

303 Look, if Americans specifically, and Western civilization more generally, is hell bent on going all in on “Net Zero” 100% renewables, than Americans and Western Civilization deserves to vanish in a mass extinction event.

This is what is commonly referred to as Darwin’s law in action.

If you don’t want to die in a Net Zero caused mass extinction event you are going to do much more than Blog and/or Vote Harder.

Posted by: Dummy #43 at December 30, 2022 01:01 PM (U2W4Y)

304 Buck, you crushed it today. Thank you for the energy and climate data.

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2022 02:37 PM (6Qsn1)

305 Renewable Energy is just the pipedream of a bunch of kooks who belong in the nuthouse with Bidens Cabinet

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307

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Posted by: Kimberly Jones at December 31, 2022 08:07 AM (zq3aD)

308 Biden and his fellow Democrats rob us without any weapons they just impose stupid taxes on us

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