"Psychic" Accuses University of Idaho History Professor of Masterminding Murders of Four Students Based on Tarot Card Readings; The Professor Sues for Defamation

Via Hot Air, there's no free speech right to just defame someone based on "psychic" twitches.

A University of Idaho professor sued a TikTok poster for defamation after she published videos accusing the professor of killing four students in an off-campus home last month.
Ashley Guillard, a self-styled internet sleuth with roughly 108,000 TikTok followers, has posted dozens of videos in which she accuses Rebecca Scofield, the chair of the school's history department, of orchestrating the four students' killings. She says she based the accusation on tarot card readings.
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In a complaint filed in Idaho's federal district court on Wednesday, Scofield said Guillard's TikTok videos were false and that she did not comply with two cease-and-desist letters demanding Guillard take down the videos and issue an apology.
Scofield is seeking an unspecified amount of compensatory and punitive damages and has requested a jury trial.
"Guillard's false TikToks have damaged Professor Scofield's reputation," the complaint reads. "They have caused her significant emotional distress. She fears for her life and for the lives of her family members. She has incurred costs, including costs to install a security system and security cameras at her residence. She fears that Guillard's false statements may motivate someone to cause harm to her or her family members."

Not that she should need it, but she does have an alibi:

Scofield in the suit also said she was in Portland, Ore., with her husband during the time of the killings and checked out of a hotel in the city hours after the killings occurred.

Unfortunately, the "psychic" is, get this, a lunatic and attention-seeker. Regarding the lawsuit, she dismissed any chance she'd stop making defamatory videos about Scofield.

"I'm not stopping, so let's just start there," Guillard said in one of the videos.
In a later post, Guillard said she was "gleaming with excitement" that she would have to opportunity to "present my ideas in court" about the killings.

The police had been searching for a 2011-2013 white Hyundai Elantra that might be connected with the murder. On December 17, they found a abandoned Hyundai Elantra 450 miles away in Eugene, Oregon, but they're not sure if it's the one they've been looking for. I doubt it. It's all banged up.

Recently, Ben Mogen, father of slain student Madison Mogen, stated his belief that the killer will be caught, because this people just can't get away with crimes like this any longer.

"From the very beginning, I've known that people don't get away with these things these days," Mogen told the outlet. "There's too many things that you can get caught up on, like DNA and videos everywhere. This isn't something that people get away with, that goes unsolved."

But that is obviously not true. And now that it's six weeks after the slaughter, it's looking more and more like this killer may escape justice, at least until he kills again.

Posted by: Ace at 02:00 PM

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1 "From the very beginning, I've known that people don't get away with these things these days," Mogen told the outlet. "There's too many things that you can get caught up on, like DNA and videos everywhere. This isn't something that people get away with, that goes unsolved."

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"In next week's episode, a grieving father learns that TV is not reality."

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2022 02:01 PM (wb1YC)

2 Sure, why not.

Posted by: XTC at December 28, 2022 02:02 PM (UnA8+)

3 It's weird how the psychic didn't see that the professor was going to sue her for defamation.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (wb1YC)

4 But that is obviously not true. And now that it's six weeks after the slaughter, it's looking more and more like this killer may escape justice, at least until he kills again.

Morning, Ace (still morning here on the left coast)!

I said the same thing to my husband this morning; I don't think they are going to catch this guy.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (DRSnL)

5 Recently, Ben Mogen, father of slain student Madison Mogen, stated his belief that the killer will be caught, because this people just can't get away with crimes like this any longer.

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This person watched too much CSI.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (LvTSG)

6 The cops can solve crimes like these if they want to.

There's just a hidden reason why they don't want to, that's all.

Posted by: Oschisms at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (NfF+F)

7 Because the accused is a member of the academic society my give a fuck meter is currently at zero.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2022 02:04 PM (Q4IgG)

8 The "t" in science stands for Tarot cards.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2022 02:04 PM (wb1YC)

9 But not suing TikTok?

Posted by: Hands at December 28, 2022 02:04 PM (786Ro)

10 I read all the content because on the sidebar CBD had threatened to turn me into a indecipherable jpg if I do not.

I am not sure what it is, but it looks like it might be a bird in a bird bath. Or a clam.

Posted by: squinty mc squintface at December 28, 2022 02:04 PM (9S9Ar)

11 types, deletes

Posted by: Yip at December 28, 2022 02:05 PM (YfrUE)

12 "There's too many things that you can get caught up on, like DNA and videos everywhere. This isn't something that people get away with, that goes unsolved.
Posted by: Azathoth"

That is true only for political crimes, like the J6 overwhelmingly peaceful protest.

Posted by: Ripley at December 28, 2022 02:05 PM (cUYo/)

13 Early days.

Posted by: British TV Detective at December 28, 2022 02:05 PM (9S9Ar)

14 Who listens to fucking hotline psychics?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:06 PM (zZu0s)

15 Ashley Guillard, a self-styled internet sleuth with roughly 108,000 TikTok followers
......

and 30 cats.

Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:06 PM (v0R5T)

16 "... it's looking more and more like this killer may escape justice, at least until he kills again."

Posted by Ace

I think you are correct. The lack of evidence suggests that this may not have been a crime of passion, and that means anyone with more than a few functioning neurons can get away with this sort of thing for awhile.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:06 PM (XIJ/X)

17 Wow...never saw that coming.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 28, 2022 02:06 PM (YgIxk)

18 "But that is obviously not true. And now that it's six weeks after the slaughter, it's looking more and more like this killer may escape justice, at least until he kills again."

I doubt there will be another killing. Something about these murders never smelled right to me. I think there is much more to the story, and I think it involves one or more of the kids being targeted. This seems like a one-off crime of passion.

Is it possible there is another Richard Speck running around killing random people in their homes? Yes. But this crime seems not the work of a serial killer to me.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

19 Publicly naming someone a murderer based on "psychic" powers the con artist knows she doesn't have (I'm assuming it is female, given the demographics of "psychics").

Nail her to the wall and take every bit of her meager assets for the rest of her life.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (N1tpc)

20 I think you are correct. The lack of evidence suggests that this may not have been a crime of passion, and that means anyone with more than a few functioning neurons can get away with this sort of thing for awhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:06 PM (XIJ/X)

So, original serial killer theory back in play...

Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (exHjb)

21 How come the tarot cards didn't warn Ashley that her sorry ass was gonna get dragged into court?

Posted by: Hands at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (786Ro)

22 Early days.
Posted by: British TV Detective at December 28, 2022 02:05 PM (9S9Ar)

Pfft.

Posted by: The First 48 at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (DRSnL)

23 eenie meenie chili beanie
the spirits are about to speak

Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (v0R5T)

24
A minor quibble about "free speech" here. You do indeed have a free speech right to defame and libel someone. The govt. can't "censor/prior restrain" such speech.

But, as this lunatic is learning, you are libel for damages said speech does in the case of libel and defamation.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (Mzdiz)

25 Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

See my comment just above yours.

I understand your point, but crimes of passion are usually messy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (XIJ/X)

26 14 Who listens to fucking hotline psychics?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:06 PM (zZu0s)

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Desperation makes things happen.

Guillermo del Toro tells the story of when his father was kidnapped in Mexico when he was a young man. The police told him to shut the doors to any psychics because they would show up with promises they could never keep but the ability to take payment now.

He went home to find that his mother had let in at least one psychic who was telling her he could find her husband.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (LvTSG)

27 At least Carnac the Magnificent was mildly humorous.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (63Dwl)

28 My theory from day 2:

Incel hit on the two hotties at a bar, got shot down. Found out they lived at The Party House. Snuck in during a Party, then hid and lay in wait for his opportunity to strike.

As good as any other theory out there right now.

Posted by: Throw gp That Whammy at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (24fqN)

29 4 But that is obviously not true. And now that it's six weeks after the slaughter, it's looking more and more like this killer may escape justice, at least until he kills again.

Morning, Ace (still morning here on the left coast)!

I said the same thing to my husband this morning; I don't think they are going to catch this guy.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (DRSnL)
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Are we sure it's a guy? The extent of carnage would suggest someone with some strength, but women with knives can do a lot of damage too. And I agree that the murderer is long gone.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (iFTx/)

30 Is 108,000 followers considered a lot?

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (eGTCV)

31 I need to brand myself as a psychic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (pyVNc)

32 Never trust a psychic what has a doorbell at their place of business.

A good psychic knows when you're at the door.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (1n+EO)

33 See my comment just above yours.

I understand your point, but crimes of passion are usually messy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (XIJ/X)

I agree.

This seems like a crime by someone who is good at doing it or who wanted to see if they could do it. So, starting serial killer (who could be affiliated with the college) or continuing one (who probably continued on after this crime).

Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (exHjb)

34 How come the tarot cards didn't warn Ashley that her sorry ass was gonna get dragged into court?
Posted by: Hands at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (786Ro)
........

Thay did but she thought it was a pair of twos.

Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (v0R5T)

35 And now Idaho is fucked in the head?

Where am I to flee this insanity?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (ufFY8)

36 eenie meenie chili beanie
the spirits are about to speak
Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (v0R5T)

Are they friendly spirits?

"Friendly, just look!"

Cue Winston cigarette ad...

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (zB/T/)

37 And now that it's six weeks after the slaughter, it's looking more and more like this killer may escape justice, at least until he kills again.

Posted by: Ace at 02:00 PM

Serial killers only get caught because they can't stop and eventually they will mess up and leave enough evidence with will connect them to a lot more murders. (I'm betting they kill a lot more than the police can prove.)

It's likely how these murderers will be caught.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (N1tpc)

38 A psychic once told me I'd be happily married, thats when I learned early they were full of shit

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (VTu1l)

39 This has all the hallmarks of brain rot.

Posted by: Ziba at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (4h9M3)

40 Do you remember when psychic detectives were a new and groovy thing? Leonard Nimoy remembers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaC5xBCKThM

Posted by: exdem13 at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (W+kMI)

41 Is 108,000 followers considered a lot?

****

2000 more and she can trade them in for a free blue check mark on Twitter.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (wb1YC)

42
Are we sure it's a guy? The extent of carnage would suggest someone with some strength, but women with knives can do a lot of damage too. And I agree that the murderer is long gone.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (iFTx/)

Killed a guy - that would be hard for a girl to do and leave no trace...

Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (exHjb)

43 It is preposterous they can't find the killer(s)..

I simply refuse to believe it.

As with the pipe bomber in DC and the motive for Vegas etc etc

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (1ais2)

44 Solved Murder rate in the US? 54% (FBI stats).

That includes crimes of passion... which are the vast majority of cases... ergo... chances of this crime being solved even with media attention? slim IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (oHd/0)

45 You do indeed have a free speech right to defame and libel someone. The govt. can't "censor/prior restrain" such speech.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (Mzdiz)

That's not true, and it's also a non-sequitur.

Free speech is (among other things) speech that has no legal penalty. By definition, if there is a legal penalty attached to certain kinds of speech, then that speech is not protected by the 1st Amendment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (XIJ/X)

46 Are we sure it's a guy? The extent of carnage would suggest someone with some strength, but women with knives can do a lot of damage too. And I agree that the murderer is long gone.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (iFTx/)

Could be a woman, I suppose. And I forgot to add that there are lots of time when the cops know exactly whodunnit but can't prove it. I don't think that's the case here, though.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (DRSnL)

47 As for the crime itself...feels like someone who has done this many times before, dispassionately, professional, possibly with help did it.

Pick your poison, Cartels, Government, but this doesn't feel like any random spree killer based on what I've read.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (pyVNc)

48 This seems like a crime by someone who is good at doing it or who wanted to see if they could do it. So, starting serial killer (who could be affiliated with the college) or continuing one (who probably continued on after this crime).
Posted by: Nova local at

Ah. Like Raskolnikov.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (eGTCV)

49 One of the best Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes was about psychics.

They videotaped a college class where the students were asked to fill out a survey, and then, some time later, they were given the results. But first, they were asked to raise their hands if they thought the descriptive paragraph applied to them.

Most of them raised their hands.

Then, one student was asked to read their paragraph, and it quickly became apparent that all of the students had the same paragraph in front of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (LvTSG)

50 If climate science doesn't require evidence, why should psychic science?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (FVME7)

51 Im sure the FBI will be on this like white on rice after they finish spanking off to tentacle porn while monitoring Twitter for wrongthink

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (VTu1l)

52 These killings may have been social justice, in which case perhaps they should not look for the killer too hard.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (lTGtQ)

53 A psychic once told me I'd be happily married, thats when I learned early they were full of shit
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort
.......

Did you ask for your money back?

Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (v0R5T)

54 Get Sean and Gus on it.

Posted by: Axeman at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (OaZlZ)

55 53 Did you ask for your money back?
Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (v0R5T)

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"You already know the answer to that."

"Wow...maybe you are real..."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (LvTSG)

56 Serial killers only get caught because they can't stop and eventually they will mess up and leave enough evidence with will connect them to a lot more murders. (I'm betting they kill a lot more than the police can prove.)

It's likely how these murderers will be caught.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (N1tpc)

We now have thousands of hours of 'how to get caught as a serial killer' video available for any would be Killer. Most coming from Hollywood.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (oHd/0)

57 It's likely how these murderers will be caught.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 28, 2022 02:10 PM (N1tpc)

Unless it was targeted, and with social media being what it is these days...

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (zB/T/)

58 25 Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

See my comment just above yours.

I understand your point, but crimes of passion are usually messy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (XIJ/X)
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True. But by "crime of passion" I don't necessarily mean a spur-of-the-moment outburst of violence. I think this was planned to one degree or another. But where I differ from the narrative is that I think one or more of the kids were deliberately targeted by someone who wanted them dead for specific, personal reasons. That's the "passion" aspect I was referring to.

It would also help if I had any confidence whatsoever in the competence of the LE investigating this. I don't. I think they fucked this up from the get.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (iFTx/)

59 I'll let Wyatt chime in, if he wants, but what I recall is that if they don't get a strong line on a killing in 48 hours, it will go cold and stay cold.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (pyVNc)

60 Im sure the FBI will be on this like white on rice after they finish spanking off to tentacle porn while monitoring Twitter for wrongthink
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (VTu1l)

Wait, wut?

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (ufFY8)

61 A University of Idaho professor sued a TikTok poster for defamation after she published videos accusing the professor of killing four students in an off-campus home last month.
________________

Based on her tarot card readings. It's science!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (YqDXo)

62 Im getting concerned that our description of ace as an ewok might have risen to the level of defamation as well

in my defense I have always regarded ace as more of a wookie

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (VTu1l)

63 We live in an age of un-information.

Not disinformation or misinformation; those are used to enforce the un-information.

So many people believe things that just aren't so, things that can not be true.

Believing in psychics is the shallow end. At the deep end are things like, "men can get pregnant," "Trump colluded with Russia."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (GqXi4)

64 31 I need to brand myself as a psychic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (pyVNc)

MAE Brand Magic 8-balls!

'You're fucked!'

'Go ahead and buy it!'

'Nice rack!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (zZu0s)

65 "From the very beginning, I've known that people don't get away with these things these days," Mogen told the outlet. "There's too many things that you can get caught up on, like DNA and videos everywhere. This isn't something that people get away with, that goes unsolved."

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"In next week's episode, a grieving father learns that TV is not reality."
Posted by: Azathoth

Mr. Mogen to the white courtesy phone. Mr. Mogen to the white courtesy phone.

John Walsh on line two. Mr. Mogen, John Walsh on line two.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (txGor)

66 Every cop will tell you, candidly, that you certainly CAN get away with murder these days. Especially if its drive thru, just passing through town and on your way somewhere distant.

Its much harder these days, but still very possible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (0hOvj)

67 >"In next week's episode, a grieving father learns that TV is not reality."
Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2022 02:01 PM (wb1YC)

Yeah, it's sad that he's going to have to learn the hard way that CSI ain't real in any way. And the parts of LEO that aren't involved in political ops are pretty much a bag of flaming clown boners.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (0D0Oa)

68 Tarot cards are a joke.

Now if she had used goat entrails that would be serious.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (ZLI7S)

69 Only other theory I'd have is the 2 not dead roommates...but you gotta think the cops totally ruled them out as being possible perps.

They'd have the ability to jump the victims (who wouldn't see it coming, so no defense) and not be seen coming and going. But the clean up - I don't think they could have done that without something being left behind, unless they truly made sure all the blood was everywhere...

I mean, their DNA would not be suspicious anywhere...

Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (exHjb)

70 in my defense I have always regarded ace as more of a wookie

Hence, Chuy.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (ufFY8)

71 Cops do best at solving cases when there is an obvious suspect or two and the investigation can focus on them exclusively to build a case.

Murders by relative strangers are a lot harder to solve.

Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (bDjBG)

72 35 And now Idaho is fucked in the head?

Where am I to flee this insanity?
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there was a palm reader and medium who worked out of her home just off US 27 nearly across the road from my family's Lutheran church in the Seventies. that was Cold Spring, KY, so the Ohio River valley seems to be full of it, so to speak.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 28, 2022 02:16 PM (W+kMI)

73 One of the best Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes was about psychics.
______________

I've always wanted to backhand a psychic.

"Didn't see THAT comin', didja?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:16 PM (YqDXo)

74 64 31 I need to brand myself as a psychic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:09 PM (pyVNc)

MAE Brand Magic 8-balls!

'You're fucked!'

'Go ahead and buy it!'

'Nice rack!'
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (zZu0s)

lol

"Boobs"
"Buy ammo"
"Let me tell you about this movie I saw"

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:16 PM (pyVNc)

75 "In next week's episode, a grieving father learns that TV is not reality."

zoom in, enhance enhance enhance. Now clean up that image ... ha. But there really are a lot of cameras facing the streets, so if they have a lot more chance than they used to, to track cars, or track phones.

But a careful person watches those shows, would surely wear gloves and a mask, take a safer route, be far away by the next day. Then again, most killers are pretty dumb, driven by ? rage.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (Cus5s)

76 Based on her tarot card readings. It's science!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
.......

Pretty sure a fortune cookie might have been involved, too.

Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (v0R5T)

77 Hmm, I was about to make a comment about how women usually poison for spree/serial killing, but I wonder if that is changing?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (zZu0s)

78 A psychic once told me I'd be happily married, thats when I learned early they were full of shit
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort
.......

Did you ask for your money back?
Posted by: wth

Ms. Cleo died suddenly. You would have thought she'd have seen it coming.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (txGor)

79 44 Solved Murder rate in the US? 54% (FBI stats).

of reported murders

actual number 40%

Posted by: REDACTED at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (us2H3)

80 74 "Let me tell you about this movie I saw"
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:16 PM (pyVNc)

=========

Wait...you like movies?!

I like movies!

We should be best friends!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (LvTSG)

81 Tarot cards are a joke.

Now if she had used goat entrails that would be serious.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (ZLI7S)
______________

Interview the victims by ouija board.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (YqDXo)

82 Nail her to the wall and take every bit of her meager assets for the rest of her life.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 28, 2022 02:07 PM (

When she gets a judgement do a debtors exam and publish it on tik tok

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (4tfcV)

83 Scofield in the suit also said she was in Portland, Ore., with her husband during the time of the killings and checked out of a hotel in the city hours after the killings occurred.
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And on an episode of Psych or Monk it would just be a matter of proving how she faked the events of the alibi.

Posted by: Axeman at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (OaZlZ)

84 This case will be solved the day after the Jon Benait Ramsey case is solved and not a day sooner.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (Dh816)

85 I'm sure the father is just trying to remain hopeful the killer will be caught but I knew from the start it was doubtful. It's one of my many pet peeves about our police system, we have police and sheriff depts. filled with "detectives" that couldn't find their ass with both hands. They're a ten-year pre-retirement job that provides no benefit to the public.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (qH6FZ)

86 "...by "crime of passion" I don't necessarily mean a spur-of-the-moment outburst of violence. I think this was planned to one degree or another."

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (iFTx/)

Okay, that makes sense.

And while I have no idea of the relative quality of the cops out there, I doubt they have much experience with this sort of thing. I don't know whether they fucked anything up, but they might not have the expertise to succeed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (XIJ/X)

87 "Publicly naming someone a murderer based on "psychic" powers the con artist knows she doesn't have (I'm assuming it is female, given the demographics of "psychics")."

But naming one as an "Insurrectionist" based on no evidence other than what some dimwits just "know" has to be the case? Perfectly cromulent.

Posted by: Wally at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (FJYfm)

88 That this lunatic has 100,000+ followers on TikTok is an indictment of that platform, all social media, and our sick society in general. Harkening back to Ace’s last post, the existence of drag queen shows attended by…. Anybody…. Is also an indictment

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (xT8gx)

89 Psychics get involved in a lot of serial killings.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (eGTCV)

90 Where is Jack Reacher when you need him?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (1n+EO)

91 MAE Brand Magic 8-balls!

'You're fucked!'

'Go ahead and buy it!'

'Nice rack!'
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (zZu0s)
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"Reply hazy, go have a beer."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (dRCR8)

92 Where is Kenda when you need him?

My, my, my...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (ufFY8)

93 Wait...you like movies?!

I like movies!

We should be best friends!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (LvTSG)

But, Prometheus and Scorsese movies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (zZu0s)

94 The cops can solve crimes like these if they want to.

There's just a hidden reason why they don't want to, that's all.
Posted by: Oschisms at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (NfF+F)

Well, that's one dumb take. Most criminals get caught because they do something stupid. Be smart, careful, and quiet, and you can get away with a lot.

My bet is serial killer with random victims.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (KFjcc)

95 81 Tarot cards are a joke.

yeah, i was a psalm reading guy myself

Posted by: Jesus at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (us2H3)

96 Its always been true that people in general believe a bunch of ridiculous crap that isn't so. I try really hard to avoid that but its very difficult until those ideas are challenged. Turns out that Deviled Eggs are not really made from Devil Balls.

The most annoying kind of psychic is the Biblical one, where they pick and choose or selectively interpret sections of the Bible to predict or decide things. The old "open up the Bible and point at a verse to decide your course of action" thing, or worse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (0hOvj)

97
1. do phone companies keep records of every cell phone in region? for how long?

2. do they keep records of phones turned on and off. Is it possible to look for all phones with off period during murder, even if turned off 5 miles away?

3. Is it possible to go through records using "AI" (some poor schlub writing a filtering code) and narrow down to a reasonable number to investigate.

Posted by: British TV Detective at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (9S9Ar)

98 90, 92.

Horde mind.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (ufFY8)

99 66 Every cop will tell you, candidly, that you certainly CAN get away with murder these days. Especially if its drive thru, just passing through town and on your way somewhere distant.

Its much harder these days, but still very possible.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:15 PM (0hOvj)
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It's the motive that usually gets you caught, even if you are very careful about leaving no evidence. If you have a real motive, the cops will suspect you and try very hard to connect you to the crime. But if you target a truly random person that you otherwise would have no reason to hurt, then unless you leave evidence it's highly unlikely the cops will ever suspect you, let alone catch you.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (iFTx/)

100 We walked past a psychic's storefront last night on the way to dinner. 20th St. and Broadway in NYC.

No less tawdry and silly than anywhere else on the planet!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (XIJ/X)

101 It would also help if I had any confidence whatsoever in the competence of the LE investigating this. I don't. I think they fucked this up from the get.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (iFTx/)

One report I saw said the survivors had called over friends, before the police even arrived.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (oHd/0)

102 Ms. Cleo died suddenly. You would have thought she'd have seen it coming.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (txGor)
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I was once asked (by a bunch of marketers and business guys) about the projected first year sales of the product of a research project my department (in R&D) was working on.

"I dunno. I suppose I could consult Ms. Cleo about that. Isn't that sort of thing what you guys are supposed to do?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (YqDXo)

103 I'm going with serial killer who was recently let out of jail for some other felony he committed.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (5pTK/)

104 Did you ask for your money back? Posted by: wth

************

Her place of business mysteriously disappeared and was replaced by a tattoo salon

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (VTu1l)

105 Believing in psychics is the shallow end. At the deep end are things like, "men can get pregnant," "Trump colluded with Russia."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Programmed Unreality. The Left's project is one of destruction in the face of Reality, so they're forced to program people in Unreality. They have to do this otherwise people would either ignore them, as the US did for much of the 20th century, or go full Malay Emergency on their asses.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (IyrhE)

106 "Reply hazy, go have a beer."
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (dRCR

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (zZu0s)

107 My father-in-law got us a bottle of Blanton's Single Barrel for Christmas.

I've had it before. It's a perfectly fine bourbon, but it's not worth the $200 he spent on it.

I think I'm never going to open it. In fact, I think I'm going to try and get all 8 letters so I can have the complete collection of unopened bottles.

That would be a really neat centerpiece to a liquor collection.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

108 Last friday my psychic power informed me that it would be a great idea to sit around in sweatpants and a sweater playing Xbox and drinking beer all day. The advice was unquestionably correct. The key is to find rational and beneficial psychic voices. Like duuur...

Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM (I8nLU)

109 Ashley Guillard, a self-styled internet sleuth with roughly 108,000 TikTok followers

Amazing. A fucking self-styled internet sleuth has over 100K people following them and I can barely sell one of my goddamned books in a month.

Yes, if I were more internet savvy, I could probably set up a YouTube or some other channel. Yes, I'm impotently bitching.

It's almost time for me to sign off, anyway, so I won't be around to bore you much longer.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM (AW0uW)

110 93 But, Prometheus and Scorsese movies.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (zZu0s)

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Listen, if you don't think After Hours is hilarious, I'm not sure I want to know you.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM (LvTSG)

111 My only follower is a slightly used dog and that's only when I have treats in my pocket and a squirrel doesn't distract him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM (ZLI7S)

112 Tarot card readings are most effective when accessing by tense and dramatic music.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM (eGTCV)

113 66 Every cop will tell you, candidly, that you certainly CAN get away with murder these days. Especially if its drive thru, just passing through town and on your way somewhere distant.

Its much harder these days, but still very possible.
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I remember the scene from The Last Action Hero from when the movie villain crosses over into the real world. After incredulously watching a dude getting mugged on the sidewalk and having his high-tops taken, and the police don't immediately show up, the villain tries an experiment. He strolls into a nearby apartment complex, shoots a random person, and loudly announces his deed to one and all. No one calls the police, and a couple of people tell him to stop making noise! He considers the result for a minute, then smiles a most villainous smile.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM (W+kMI)

114 Tarot cards are a joke.

yeah, i was a psalm reading guy myself
Posted by: Jesus

ISWYDT JC!

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (txGor)

115 >Do you remember when psychic detectives were a new and groovy thing? Leonard Nimoy remembers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaC5xBCKThM
Posted by: exdem13 at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (W+kMI)

Heh, I just watched that Key & Peele sketch of the FBI "psychic" who they brought in to investigate a sex crime whose technique is to jack off around the house. Probably closer to the truth than realized when it originally aired.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (0D0Oa)

116 But, but, she identifies as psychic.

It is bigotry to simply dismiss her lived truth through Tarot cards.

Posted by: Axeman at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (OaZlZ)

117 I was once asked (by a bunch of marketers and business guys) about the projected first year sales of the product of a research project my department (in R&D) was working on.

**************

As someone in marketing that shit drives me nuts. I'm supposed to project, with 101% certainty precisely how much of X product we will sell based on a marketing strategy

If I had that kind of knowledge I would be playing the lotto, not working for you fucking retards

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (VTu1l)

118 Killer or killers, knew something about biology and/or was a hunter of large animals & knew technique for cutting them up. Had a pretty good idea of the interior layout of the house, at least the 1st & 2nd floors, so probably visited one or more times prior. Knew at least one of those slayed very well because the killings were reported by the police as excessive cutting (passionate).

Reminds me of Ted Bundy, but it could be a Theodora nowadays, too.

Posted by: Lola at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (p39Z2)

119 79 44 Solved Murder rate in the US? 54% (FBI stats).

of reported murders

actual number 40%
Posted by: REDACTED
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The percentage is actually higher in that most murders consist of criminals killing each other. The police in urban areas often 'know' who killed who but proving it in court is almost impossible where almost all of that information comes from hearsay and nobody says nothing in official statements. That leads to gangs doing their own version of street justice in typically incompetent style by hitting bystanders as well.

Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (bDjBG)

120 Where is Kenda when you need him?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 28, 2022 02:19 PM (ufFY

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Driving out to Fort Carson, where 90% of the murderers are.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (YqDXo)

121 100 We walked past a psychic's storefront last night on the way to dinner. 20th St. and Broadway in NYC.

No less tawdry and silly than anywhere else on the planet!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (XIJ/X)

In my little town in Central Calif, we have had a Psychic Tarot reader shop just off the freeway for at least 55 years (I remember riding my bike past it when I was

.. Still there. Building well maintained... never see more than 2 cars in the parking lot.

Even as a local growing up here, never heard any stories about the owner.... which in a smallish town is weird when I think on it a bit.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:23 PM (oHd/0)

122 Most murder cases are solved by physical evidence left at the scene, or some sort of relationship between killer and victim. Without those, it becomes more difficult to solve.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2022 02:23 PM (lTGtQ)

123 I was once asked (by a bunch of marketers and business guys) about the projected first year sales of the product of a research project my department (in R&D) was working on.

I remember a Dilbert cartoon where he is assigned to the marketing department. The sign at the door said "Two drink minimum."

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 28, 2022 02:23 PM (ufFY8)

124 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

Blanton's Single Barrel is $100 here.

Still not worth it, but if you don't want your bottle I would be willing to take it off your hands.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (XIJ/X)

125 Especially if its drive thru, just passing through town and on your way somewhere distant.

Worked for me.

Posted by: Zombie Andrei Chikatilo! at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (KCOCK)

126 Amazing. A fucking self-styled internet sleuth has over 100K people following them and I can barely sell one of my goddamned books in a month.

Yeah I try not to make comparisons like that. Women have a much easier time getting a following because boobs. Guys will line up to follow, compliment, and even give them gifts, even if they aren't all that attractive, just in the hopes of getting some attention back.

We're in a largely illiterate age, unfortunately, so books are a tough sell. Count yourself lucky, my older brother Jonathan makes clocks. Who buys clocks now? Even interior decorators don't want them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (0hOvj)

127 Amazing. A fucking self-styled internet sleuth has over 100K people following them and I can barely sell one of my goddamned books in a month.

**************

Have you been showing them your tits?

You must always show them your tits

it's a social media rule

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (VTu1l)

128 My father-in-law got us a bottle of Blanton's Single Barrel for Christmas.

I've had it before. It's a perfectly fine bourbon, but it's not worth the $200 he spent on it.

I think I'm never going to open it. In fact, I think I'm going to try and get all 8 letters so I can have the complete collection of unopened bottles.

That would be a really neat centerpiece to a liquor collection.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

Blantons deserves to be sipped and enjoyed!
I have one bottle and I'm not finishing it until I get a replacement. Right now it's an anniversary or birthday tipple, while I use Eagle Rare or Buffalo Trace for more normal drinking.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (pyVNc)

129 It's almost time for me to sign off, anyway, so I won't be around to bore you much longer.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Honestly? You've never bored me.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (txGor)

130 As someone in marketing that shit drives me nuts. I'm supposed to project, with 101% certainty precisely how much of X product we will sell based on a marketing strategy

If I had that kind of knowledge I would be playing the lotto, not working for you fucking retards
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:22 PM (VTu1l)
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Then you can understand my reaction. How would I know? I'm a scientist, and synthesize compounds. I have no idea about marketing, so why are you asking me this?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (YqDXo)

131
Early days.
Posted by: British TV Detective

My mom loves those Limey cozy mysteries, both books and the TV shows. Me, being an asshole, I keep telling her that the most dangerous place in the world is a quaint little village in the Midlands. Murders all over the place, makes Fallujah look like Disneyland.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (n+4am)

132 124 Blanton's Single Barrel is $100 here.

Still not worth it, but if you don't want your bottle I would be willing to take it off your hands.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (XIJ/X)

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No, I want it. I just don't want to drink a bottle that tastes like a $40 bottle but costs the same as a Macallan 18.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (LvTSG)

133 I remember high school girls being into the ouiji board.
I have never, nor ever once, involving myself in that sort of thing.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (eGTCV)

134 Get Sean and Gus on it.

Posted by: Axeman at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (OaZlZ)

I am Sean Spencer and this is my associate Longbranch Penny Whistle

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (OgrpQ)

135 But...but...what about Psychic Rights?!?!

If mentally ill people are members of "a community" and allowed to mainstream their insanity, why should a TikTok psychic be any less privileged?

Where is the Rear Admiral Levine of TikTok Psychics? This disinformation campaign must be censored!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (Sd+ww)

136 Blanton's Single Barrel is $100 here.

Still not worth it, but if you don't want your bottle I would be willing to take it off your hands.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (XIJ/X)

I can't find a bottle period.
*Considers sliding CBD a hundo + shipping*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (pyVNc)

137 126 Yeah I try not to make comparisons like that. Women have a much easier time getting a following because boobs. Guys will line up to follow, compliment, and even give them gifts, even if they aren't all that attractive, just in the hopes of getting some attention back.

We're in a largely illiterate age, unfortunately, so books are a tough sell. Count yourself lucky, my older brother Jonathan makes clocks. Who buys clocks now? Even interior decorators don't want them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (0hOvj)

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EL James wrote slashfic about Edward and Bella from Twilight and got a trilogy of books published called Fifty Shades of Grey.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (LvTSG)

138 A minor quibble about "free speech" here. You do indeed have a free speech right to defame and libel someone. The govt. can't "censor/prior restrain" such speech.

But, as this lunatic is learning, you are libel for damages said speech does in the case of libel and defamation.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (Mzdiz)

Like any action a person takes, there are consequences, good and bad. Speech is no exception.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (BdMk6)

139 >If climate science doesn't require evidence, why should psychic science?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 28, 2022 02:12 PM (FVME7)

Oh, don't worry. The academy is rapidly transitioning "science" to encompass "indigenous ways of knowing". Pretty soon your MD will be credentialed shaman, not a practitioner of medicine.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (0D0Oa)

140 86 "...by "crime of passion" I don't necessarily mean a spur-of-the-moment outburst of violence. I think this was planned to one degree or another."

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:14 PM (iFTx/)

Okay, that makes sense.

And while I have no idea of the relative quality of the cops out there, I doubt they have much experience with this sort of thing. I don't know whether they fucked anything up, but they might not have the expertise to succeed.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:18 PM (XIJ/X)
___________________

They are small-town cops in a college town. I highly doubt they have much experience beyond drunk and disorderlies and the occasional bar fight. I'm sure they were way over their heads with these murders.

But even so, they seemed to botch the initial communications to the public, and almost from the very beginning seemed clueless and resigned to the fact that they wouldn't solve this. The initial press conference was basically "sorry but we got nuttin." None of this gave me much confidence in their ability to run this investigation.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (iFTx/)

141 136 I can't find a bottle period.
*Considers sliding CBD a hundo + shipping*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (pyVNc)

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The only bottles I can find are online, and the bottom price is about $210 with shipping. I think that's how my father-in-law got the bottle he gave us.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (LvTSG)

142 I was on flight last month and the woman sitting next to me was a new tarot card reader. She had to consult this small, thick booklet to get the meaning of the cards she dealt.

One of stewardesses asked about the cards and the newbie gave her a free reading. The reading sounded just like a horoscope from a newspaper. "Beware of red licorice on Tuesday but a true schwanza awaits you at a gate in the coming weeks. Stay off cracked sidewalks and be sure to drink your Olvatine".

Posted by: Beartooth at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (PX01u)

143 Most murder cases are solved by physical evidence left at the scene, or some sort of relationship between killer and victim. Without those, it becomes more difficult to solve.

Well you have to consider. You find a body, and its not suicide or natural death. Who could have done it? There are over 7 billion people in the world. Any of them could have, save yourself since you know you didn't. Now its up to you to narrow that down. If you have nothing to grab on to in order to make it easier, its going to come down to luck or somebody saw something and is willing to talk.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (0hOvj)

144 It's weird how the psychic didn't see that the professor was going to sue her for defamation.
Posted by: Azathoth

How do you know she didn't? She says she's excited about it.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (KAi1n)

145 Guys will line up to follow, compliment, and even give them gifts, even if they aren't all that attractive, just in the hopes of getting some attention back.

**********

It's a simp, simp world

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (VTu1l)

146 A self-styled "internet sleuth?" Who does she think she is, Anna Kendrick from, "A Simple Favor?"

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (5pTK/)

147 Arthur Conan Doyle was a serious believer in psychic phenomenon.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (eGTCV)

148 Yeah I try not to make comparisons like that. Women have a much easier time getting a following because boobs.
_____________

Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube for some very impressive evidence of that. Also some beautiful nature footage, but ... what the hell ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

149 But even so, they seemed to botch the initial communications to the public, and almost from the very beginning seemed clueless and resigned to the fact that they wouldn't solve this. The initial press conference was basically "sorry but we got nuttin." None of this gave me much confidence in their ability to run this investigation.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (iFTx/)

Regardless, if the killer was sloppy or less calculating, they'd have likely caught him/them.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (KbCG3)

150 Eeeny-meeny; chili beanie; the spirits are about to squeak!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (Vwz3I)

151 My father-in-law got us a bottle of Blanton's Single Barrel for Christmas.

I've had it before. It's a perfectly fine bourbon, but it's not worth the $200 he spent on it.

I think I'm never going to open it. In fact, I think I'm going to try and get all 8 letters so I can have the complete collection of unopened bottles.

That would be a really neat centerpiece to a liquor collection.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (LvTSG)
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Most people would rather just get the cash, I realize, but a great bottle of bourbon is a fine consolation prize.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (Sd+ww)

152 It's not that hard to CATCH a killer, but CONVICTING one is a different story.

So I've heard.

Posted by: OJ Simpson at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (FJYfm)

153 Get Sean and Gus on it. Posted by: Axeman

************

I miss those guys, when is the next Psych movie happening already

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (VTu1l)

154 The only problem with being a psychic detective is that they force you into making mad passionate love to Maggie Lawson repeatedly. It's in the rulebook somwhere.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (I8nLU)

155 A fucking self-styled internet sleuth has over 100K people following them and I can barely sell one of my goddamned books in a month.

**************

Have you been showing them your tits?

You must always show them your tits

I just had an idea for a pop-up book

Posted by: Hands at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (786Ro)

156 EL James wrote slashfic about Edward and Bella from Twilight and got a trilogy of books published called Fifty Shades of Grey.

Yeah you never know what will take off or why. Objectively that book is utter trash, but it got popular and people who are followers of trends bought a zillion copies. Now used book stores reject turn ins of the book because they already have a ton and can't sell them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (0hOvj)

157 148 Yeah I try not to make comparisons like that. Women have a much easier time getting a following because boobs.
_____________

Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube for some very impressive evidence of that. Also some beautiful nature footage, but ... what the hell ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

According to YouTube, guitars are a great place for chicks to rest their ta-tas. At least, that's what every video of a girl playing guitar has led me to believe.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (KbCG3)

158 "Psychics get involved in a lot of serial killings."
There was a woman who became adept at finding the remains of missing persons. She had a proven track record. I remember Art Bell used to interview her. I didn't believe it possible so I checked it out.
It was true.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (jTmQV)

159 Wait...you like movies?!

I like movies!

We should be best friends!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:17 PM (LvTSG)

Do you think I just comment on any old webzone?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (pyVNc)

160 *Puts $50 down on marker titled: "Nutjob TikToker is the real killer"*

Posted by: Sharkman at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (y+By8)

161 Have read some psychic have solved crimes

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (moXvQ)

162 People think real life is like tv. They expected it solved in an hour. I was wondering why the police didn't find any blood on the outside of the house, leading away, after the killings. He/she would be pretty bloody, even with a change of clothes. The whole thing seems pretty fishy to me.

Posted by: Tacitus Kilgore at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (XAmx/)

163 I just don't want to drink a bottle that tastes like a $40 bottle but costs the same as a Macallan 18.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (LvTSG)

I think that is an honorable stance, and the only way for you to remain true to your standards is to send me the bottle. I'll even pay for shipping.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (XIJ/X)

164 Well over half a million people go missing in the US every year and are never found. And that's on top of several thousand a year where unidentified remains are found.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (wb1YC)

165 Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube for some very impressive evidence of that. Also some beautiful nature footage, but ... what the hell ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

*checks internet*

Hmmm, you have my kind of 'survival' video down pat!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (zZu0s)

166 I think I'm never going to open it. In fact, I think I'm going to try and get all 8 letters so I can have the complete collection of unopened bottles.

Drink it. Fill the bottle back up with tea. It quit becoming "better" the second it left the barrel and went into the bottle.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (txGor)

167 Arthur Conan Doyle was a serious believer in psychic phenomenon.

Yeah he fell for a clever photographic trick by little girls involving fairies, too. And he was a believer in Phrenology.

I mean, he was hit and miss with the science, the parts he got right were brilliant and became a large part of modern criminology, but some of it was silly. Its hard to know though, when you are at the cutting edge.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (0hOvj)

168 They need to get Paget Brewster's tits on this case asap.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (3DZIZ)

169 Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube

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I subscribe to that channel, I find her helpful tutorials on winter preparations titillating

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (VTu1l)

170 >>> Get Sean and Gus on it.
Posted by: Axeman at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (OaZlZ)

I thought it was "Shawn".

Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (I8nLU)

171 Recently, Ben Mogen, father of slain student Madison Mogen, stated his belief that the killer will be caught, because this people just can't get away with crimes like this any longer.

*********

Watching too much TV. People get away with crimes like that all too often.

14 years and counting since my wife's father was murdered and his body disposed of. Murderer is known, but never arrested or even questioned. Whereabouts unknown and no one is looking for him. F*ck the Costilla County Sheriff's Department (Colorado) for blatant incompetence compounded by disinterest.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2022 02:31 PM (ykeLU)

172 almost from the very beginning seemed clueless and resigned to the fact that they wouldn't solve this. The initial press conference was basically "sorry but we got nuttin."
Posted by: Elric Blade

Check out the police chief's son.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2022 02:31 PM (lTGtQ)

173 Well over half a million people go missing in the US every year and are never found.

*cough International Sex Trade cough*

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:31 PM (txGor)

174 Solved Murder rate in the US? 54% (FBI stats).

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (oHd/0)

Probably wouldn't even be that much if the perp got a lawyer during questioning. I used to watch a lot of true crime shows, and I don't know how many times I saw the cops say, "we can't prove this guy did it, we're gonna have to make him confess" and he friggin does.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 28, 2022 02:31 PM (DRSnL)

175 >>> Get Sean and Gus on it.
Posted by: Axeman at December 28, 2022 02:13 PM (OaZlZ)

I thought it was "Shawn".
Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (I8nLU)

I've heard it both ways.

Posted by: ShOn Spencer at December 28, 2022 02:31 PM (I8nLU)

176 Speaking of the killer, what is unusual about the killing is not that there were multiple victims, but that there were multiple people left alive as well.

Usually, if it was targeted to a particular person, you'd expect 1 (or 2 if you think the boyfriend had to go) victims and the rest alive. If you had a cautious killer, he'd kill everyone in the house - better safe than sorry. Here, he killed 4 and left 2 - that's almost a "can I get away with it" type of killing.

I mean, knife killings are not always quiet. Granted, the theory is the other 2 roommates were sleeping/completely sloshed, I think...but that was a risky move, especially b/c smell alone can wake you up...and the sheer amount of blood was gonna lead to smell...

Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:32 PM (exHjb)

177 Have you been showing them your tits?

You must always show them your tits

I just had an idea for a pop-up book*
Posted by: Hands

*each book comes with safety glasses

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:32 PM (txGor)

178 The old comedian joke of Dionne Warwick Psychic Hotline getting busted for tax evasion?

Shouldn't they have seen it coming?

Tarrytown card lady is the same.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 28, 2022 02:32 PM (NW9xb)

179 124 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

Blanton's Single Barrel is $100 here.

Still not worth it, but if you don't want your bottle I would be willing to take it off your hands.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (XIJ/X)
____________________

It's good stuff but I'd rather spend the money on high-end scotch than bourbon. My mom got me the Macallan "A Night on Earth in Scotland" special release this year for Xmas.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

180 Blantons deserves to be sipped and enjoyed!
I have one bottle and I'm not finishing it until I get a replacement. Right now it's an anniversary or birthday tipple, while I use Eagle Rare or Buffalo Trace for more normal drinking.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (pyVNc)

Considering my proclivity to booze, once the bottle is opened, the cap is thrown away. I really didn't care how cheap or expensive or rare it was.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (BdMk6)

181 They probably should have gotten vaxxed.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (C2ZTD)

182 God Forgive me for saying this, but there's something about the father of one of the girls, the one with the Spanish-sounding name who was all over the media after the murders.

Something about him I don't like.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (mR6Gs)

183 159 Do you think I just comment on any old webzone?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:28 PM (pyVNc)

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Probably not.

The internet is a pretty exclusive place.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (LvTSG)

184 off to lunch!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (pyVNc)

185 Solved Murder rate in the US? 54% (FBI stats)

*************

I took criminalistics in college when I was 29, which is the same age I am now, and I remember reading the solve rate was about 70% then.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (VTu1l)

186 The cops can solve crimes like these if they want to.

There's just a hidden reason why they don't want to, that's all.
Posted by: Oschisms at December 28, 2022 02:03 PM (NfF+F)

Well, that's one dumb take. Most criminals get caught because they do something stupid. Be smart, careful, and quiet, and you can get away with a lot.

My bet is serial killer with random victims.
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If the suspect is a Confidential Informant who rhas a long history of being paid by law enforcement, then law enforcement will cover it up. I think that should be fairly obvious.

Posted by: Oschisms at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (NfF+F)

187 Women have a much easier time getting a following because boobs.

Men have boobs too.
*class: Mammalia

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (w9Wax)

188 Part of the reason the unsolved murder rate is that high is concentration of crimes in small areas. Illinois has a high murder rate, but almost all of it is in one section of Chicago.

Most of those murders go unsolved because there's nobody really pushing to find out who killed "Jo Jo" Jackson the meth dealer, the cops are overworked, and nobody wants to talk. There's no camera footage, and drive-by shootings are tough to get any forensic evidence from.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (0hOvj)

189 I presume there's been some consideration the killer is either FedGov adjacent or just plain FedGov? Let go with a verbal spanking to be better?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (Q4IgG)

190 163 I think that is an honorable stance, and the only way for you to remain true to your standards is to send me the bottle. I'll even pay for shipping.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (XIJ/X)

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You are such a selfless man of letters!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

191 Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube for some very impressive evidence of that. Also some beautiful nature footage, but ... what the hell ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

I've been watching The Hollar Homestead instead. They butchered a pig last month!

Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (xhaym)

192 Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube for some very impressive evidence of that. Also some beautiful nature footage, but ... what the hell ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

*checks internet*

Hmmm, you have my kind of 'survival' video down pat!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:29 PM (zZu0s)
____________

Unfortunately, that channel could also be called "One Woman's No Man's Land."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (YqDXo)

193 They are small-town cops in a college town. I highly doubt they have much experience beyond drunk and disorderlies and the occasional bar fight. I'm sure they were way over their heads with these murders.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (iFTx/)
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We recently had a mysterious death of a college student at the school in our town. She was last seen brushing her teeth at 3AM after returning from a party. Cheerful. Suddenly she was dead and the body was hidden in bushes behind some tennis courts, after her phone pinged off towers miles away (the phone was on her body when it was found).

Within hours, the cops and the county prosecutor issued a statement that "no foul play" was suspected. Their rush to assure people everything is A-OK flies in the face of all the available evidence, but they are obviously determined not to find whatever malefactor(s) might be involved.

College town cops and county prosecutors don't impress me much.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (IIZXh)

194 Some people go missing because, why the hell not? Trapped in a bad marriage, in debt up to your neck.
Take a drive in your nice car, leave it in a bad neighborhood with keys in it, abandon your phone, your credit cards, your whole past life. Change your appearance, put a pebble in a shoe to change your gait.
Start over.
It happens.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (jTmQV)

195 176 Speaking of the killer, what is unusual about the killing is not that there were multiple victims, but that there were multiple people left alive as well.

Usually, if it was targeted to a particular person, you'd expect 1 (or 2 if you think the boyfriend had to go) victims and the rest alive. If you had a cautious killer, he'd kill everyone in the house - better safe than sorry. Here, he killed 4 and left 2 - that's almost a "can I get away with it" type of killing.

I mean, knife killings are not always quiet. Granted, the theory is the other 2 roommates were sleeping/completely sloshed, I think...but that was a risky move, especially b/c smell alone can wake you up...and the sheer amount of blood was gonna lead to smell...
Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:32 PM (exHjb)

Yeah. The whole thing is just preposterous.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (1ais2)

196 166 Drink it. Fill the bottle back up with tea. It quit becoming "better" the second it left the barrel and went into the bottle.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (txGor)

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Yeah, I know how whiskey ages. I think of Blanton's more as a collector's item than a bourbon, is what I think I'm trying to say.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

197 They need to get Paget Brewster's tits on this case asap.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos

WTF did they do to her hair?
She went from hot to grandma in one season.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (txGor)

198 Internet sleuths really showed their asses in Netflix's documentary about Elisa Lam's disappearance at the Cecil Hotel in LA.

Posted by: mr tmz at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (rJ48h)

199 Most of those murders go unsolved because there's nobody really pushing to find out who killed "Jo Jo" Jackson the meth dealer, the cops are overworked, and nobody wants to talk. There's no camera footage, and drive-by shootings are tough to get any forensic evidence from.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (0hOvj)
________________

The cops file those under "DSAF." Did. Society. A. Favor.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (YqDXo)

200 The cops can solve crimes like these if they want to.

There's just a hidden reason why they don't want to, that's all.
Posted by: Oschisms

Where was the FBI that day?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (lTGtQ)

201 I saw an interesting true crime show. A girl was raped and murdered in a maintenance room in the hotel where she worked. Although they had DNA, they couldn't find a match and none of the other evidence pointed to the killer. They did find a tiny valve that might or might not be related. Some weeks later, a detective takes his car into a tire store. While there, he over hears two employees discussing their suspicions about a third employee. The detective learns that the valve he found is a tire valve and that, apparently, when changing or repairing these tires, it's common for the tiny valves to be expelled from the tires only to be later found in employees' hair, cuffs, and pockets. Using these, he builds a case and gets a conviction. A chance conversation and learning what the tiny valve was broke that case. Something similar may happen here.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (FVME7)

202 Something about him I don't like.

**************

Do you remember the mom who drowned her 5 kids in a bathtub? her husband was on TV being interviewed about it after the murders and he talked about it as if he was discussing the weather

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (VTu1l)

203 Wait. Did the professor vote for Trump?

Posted by: Your DOJ at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (3hgiG)

204 I took criminalistics in college when I was 29, which is the same age I am now, and I remember reading the solve rate was about 70% then.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger

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That was in a nation where many downtowns were safe and before the open borders really hit.

The more disordered a society is, the harder it is to solve crime.

Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (bDjBG)

205 >>> Arthur Conan Doyle was a serious believer in psychic phenomenon.

Yeah he fell for a clever photographic trick by little girls involving fairies, too. And he was a believer in Phrenology.

I mean, he was hit and miss with the science, the parts he got right were brilliant and became a large part of modern criminology, but some of it was silly. Its hard to know though, when you are at the cutting edge.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (0hOvj)

There's a nice book called Arthur & George that takes a real event in Doyle's life, fictionalizes some things, and comes up with an interesting mystery book. It goes into a lot of Doyle's stranger beliefs. It was a good read.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (I8nLU)

206 179 It's good stuff but I'd rather spend the money on high-end scotch than bourbon. My mom got me the Macallan "A Night on Earth in Scotland" special release this year for Xmas.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

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Dolley just handed me a Highland Park 12 year old. It was going to be a Valentine's Day present, but she bought herself a new ring (to replace the engagement ring I bought her 12 years ago), and I guess she felt bad that I didn't get anything for Christmas (our cruise was supposed to be that gift).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (LvTSG)

207 Count yourself lucky, my older brother Jonathan makes clocks. Who buys clocks now? Even interior decorators don't want them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:24 PM (0hOvj)

I do. I have a turn of the century mantel clock. And a real cuckoo clock, but that's broken and I can't find anyone around me to fix it.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (AW0uW)

208 Going with serial killer theory as well. There have been stories about similar break in knife murders around the northwest. A serial killer can still get away but these days what with all the door and home security cameras around it's mor difficult.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (11zNb)

209 One way TJM can get his FIL to quit buying him high end bourbon, next time he's over, make yourself a bourbon and Orange Crush with it.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (qH6FZ)

210 I don't know how many times I saw the cops say, "we can't prove this guy did it, we're gonna have to make him confess" and he friggin does.

Yeah binge watching 48 hours was baffling in two ways.

1) How the idiots almost never got a lawyer present
2) How often they talked after being grilled. And the cops weren't even being all Frank Pembleton from Homicide: Life on the Street

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (0hOvj)

211 Most of those murders go unsolved because there's nobody really pushing to find out who killed "Jo Jo" Jackson the meth dealer, the cops are overworked, and nobody wants to talk. There's no camera footage, and drive-by shootings are tough to get any forensic evidence from.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (0hOvj)

Snitches get stitches

Posted by: Carmelo Anthony at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (FJYfm)

212 "Psychic" Accuses University of Idaho History Professor of Masterminding Murders of Four Students

Four? I thought it was two upstairs murdered two downstairs slept through it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (e+csY)

213 180 Considering my proclivity to booze, once the bottle is opened, the cap is thrown away. I really didn't care how cheap or expensive or rare it was.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2022 02:33 PM (BdMk6)

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The Blanton's corks have 8 varieties, each one with a small letter that corresponds to the 8 letters in the name.

If you line them up in the right order, you see the motion of the horse running.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:37 PM (LvTSG)

214 I mean, he was hit and miss with the science, the parts he got right were brilliant and became a large part of modern criminology, but some of it was silly. Its hard to know though, when you are at the cutting edge.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

You must not have read my monograph on cigar ash. The FBI has built a new wing with a lab dedicated to my techniques. They put it next to the ones on bite marks, hair and fiber, profiling, and field office expense hiding.

Posted by: H at December 28, 2022 02:37 PM (9S9Ar)

215 189 I presume there's been some consideration the killer is either FedGov adjacent or just plain FedGov? Let go with a verbal spanking to be better?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (Q4IgG)

2 Girls sleeping in the same bed, apparently living together. My Gaydar is pinging. No mention of that at all in the media, because that is a community that is above suspicion.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:37 PM (oHd/0)

216 Do you remember the mom who drowned her 5 kids in a bathtub? her husband was on TV being interviewed about it after the murders and he talked about it as if he was discussing the weather
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (VTu1l)

That's what I saw in this father, the same kind of nonchalance.

But really got me was when he said he didn't want to have a funeral for his daughter because he didn't want the KILLER to show up??

Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2022 02:37 PM (mR6Gs)

217 189 I presume there's been some consideration the killer is either FedGov adjacent or just plain FedGov? Let go with a verbal spanking to be better?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (Q4IgG)

You are saying what a LOT of people are thinking.

Posted by: Oschisms at December 28, 2022 02:38 PM (NfF+F)

218 No, I want it. I just don't want to drink a bottle that tastes like a $40 bottle but costs the same as a Macallan 18.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:25 PM (LvTSG)

I really, really want to go out and get shattered tonight, but I can't justify doing that and going to work tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:38 PM (AW0uW)

219 Start over.
It happens.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (jTmQV)

It just happened recently. Some guy that was featured on ID's Disappeared died under a new name in another town earlier this month.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 28, 2022 02:38 PM (DRSnL)

220 209 One way TJM can get his FIL to quit buying him high end bourbon, next time he's over, make yourself a bourbon and Orange Crush with it.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (qH6FZ)

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My father-in-law would look on in wonder and decide it was the greatest thing he's ever seen and tasted.

He's a nice guy who's trying really hard, but he's a follower and not all that bright.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:38 PM (LvTSG)

221 I do. I have a turn of the century mantel clock. And a real cuckoo clock, but that's broken and I can't find anyone around me to fix it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

You would have to ship it, but heritagehouseclocks.com
972-934-3420

They worked on a mantle clock of an inlaws.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (txGor)

222 212 "Psychic" Accuses University of Idaho History Professor of Masterminding Murders of Four Students

Four? I thought it was two upstairs murdered two downstairs slept through it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (e+csY)

Nope, 6 in the house - 4 dead, 2 alive. Dead are 3 girls, 1 boy (the boyfriend of 1 of the girls). That's why it's so odd.

Posted by: Nova local at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (exHjb)

223 Saul consulted a psychic.

Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (0OP+5)

224 Within hours, the cops and the county prosecutor issued a statement that "no foul play" was suspected. Their rush to assure people everything is A-OK flies in the face of all the available evidence, but they are obviously determined not to find whatever malefactor(s) might be involved.

College town cops and county prosecutors don't impress me much.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
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Business interests such as colleges often try to quash stories because it might affect money spent in the town or enrollment at the local college. Same as hospitals try to quash stories of doctors/nurses/employees doing bad things.

All organizations are like cats, they shit and try to cover it up.

Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (bDjBG)

225 193 They are small-town cops in a college town. I highly doubt they have much experience beyond drunk and disorderlies and the occasional bar fight. I'm sure they were way over their heads with these murders.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:26 PM (iFTx/)
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We recently had a mysterious death of a college student at the school in our town. She was last seen brushing her teeth at 3AM after returning from a party. Cheerful. Suddenly she was dead and the body was hidden in bushes behind some tennis courts, after her phone pinged off towers miles away (the phone was on her body when it was found).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (IIZXh)
____________________

The Princeton girl? I live in NYC and it was in the papers. I knew right away what happened to that girl. Wasn't it obvious it was a drug OD and probably a suicide?

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (iFTx/)

226 Check out "One Woman's Wilderness" on YouTube for some very impressive evidence of that. Also some beautiful nature footage, but ... what the hell ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

there is also Caroline's Planet • Vanlife & Food but you gotta like France and you have to put up with French

Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (xhaym)

227 Take a drive in your nice car, leave it in a bad neighborhood with keys in it, abandon your phone, your credit cards, your whole past life. Change your appearance, put a pebble in a shoe to change your gait.
Start over.
It happens.

"I found him in Spokane, Washington, he was married to almost the same woman and living almost the same life."
--Sam Spade

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (0hOvj)

228 218 I really, really want to go out and get shattered tonight, but I can't justify doing that and going to work tomorrow.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:38 PM (AW0uW)

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Benchmark is a decent, super cheap bourbon that'll get you drunk!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (LvTSG)

229 Girls sleeping in the same bed, apparently living together. My Gaydar is pinging. No mention of that at all in the media, because that is a community that is above suspicion.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:37 PM (oHd/0)

Young college girls who are not lesbian sleeping in the same bed is really not that unusual

Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2022 02:40 PM (mR6Gs)

230 Yeah binge watching 48 hours was baffling in two ways.

1) How the idiots almost never got a lawyer present
2) How often they talked after being grilled. And the cops weren't even being all Frank Pembleton from Homicide: Life on the Street
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:36 PM (0hOvj)

Everyone's heard of Miranda Warnings, but I don't think most people get what it means. If you're not being held, you can leave any time. Your 1st question in this situation should always be, "Am I free to go?" The cops will try to not answer the question but keep asking it until they do. If you aren't free to go, they damn well better read you your rights. If you are free to go, then go.

Posted by: Wally at December 28, 2022 02:40 PM (FJYfm)

231 But really got me was when he said he didn't want to have a funeral for his daughter because he didn't want the KILLER to show up??

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what the actual fuck?

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:40 PM (VTu1l)

232 One of stewardesses asked about the cards and the newbie gave her a free reading. The reading sounded just like a horoscope from a newspaper. "Beware of red licorice on Tuesday but a true schwanza awaits you at a gate in the coming weeks. Stay off cracked sidewalks and be sure to drink your Olvatine".

In my novel, The Stuff That Dreams Are Made Of, the lead character reads the tarot. I had to buy a book about it and consult a reader to make sure I had everything correct.

**shakes head**

Just silliness. Fairly harmless, I suppose, unless you're paralyzed by the outcome of a reading.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:41 PM (AW0uW)

233 On a completely different subject...any update on Jane D'Ohs husband?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 28, 2022 02:41 PM (TgNpw)

234 232 Just silliness. Fairly harmless, I suppose, unless you're paralyzed by the outcome of a reading.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:41 PM (AW0uW)

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You could end up going down a Nightmare Alley if you do that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:41 PM (LvTSG)

235 Arthur Conan Doyle was a serious believer in psychic phenomenon.

Yeah he fell for a clever photographic trick by little girls involving fairies, too. And he was a believer in Phrenology.

I mean, he was hit and miss with the science, the parts he got right were brilliant and became a large part of modern criminology, but some of it was silly. Its hard to know though, when you are at the cutting edge.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:30 PM (0hOvj)
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He was a bit dodgy on logic, too. "When you've excluded every other possibility, the remaining one must be the answer."

Uh, no. That would presume you've thought of every other possibility, something you can never know.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:42 PM (YqDXo)

236 199 years ago a local was knifes to death in a housing project. Our local police chief was at the club we both belonged to and commented "the killer didn't go commit murder, he committed civic improvement"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2022 02:42 PM (11zNb)

237 Girls sleeping in the same bed, apparently living together. My Gaydar is pinging. No mention of that at all in the media, because that is a community that is above suspicion.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:37 PM (oHd/0)

Young college girls who are not lesbian sleeping in the same bed is really not that unusual
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2022 02:40 PM (mR6Gs)

One of them was just visiting I think. Getting ready to move to another state IIRC.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 28, 2022 02:42 PM (DRSnL)

238 She said she was a magic mama, and she could throw a mean tarot, and carried on without a comma, that she was someone I should know.

Right, Zappa fans?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 28, 2022 02:43 PM (KbCG3)

239 I've been binge watching videos on the JFK assassination. I'm surprised I haven't run into anything by a psychic.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:43 PM (eGTCV)

240 And yeah, every so often a psychic is right about something (once in a while the psychic is right because... they killed the person). Cops will pull in on in a desperation move on occasion because of this. I mean, if nothing else, it gives them another trail to follow and who knows, maybe it pays off?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:43 PM (0hOvj)

241 If you needed evidence that social media is rotten to the core, you only have to look at this tick-toc lunatic and what she is claiming. Not too many years ago, a nutcase like this would call up the police hotline, rant and rave, never to be heard from again until the police arrested he or she for setting fires to cats. But now, things like tick-toc give these lunatics a global audience to smear and defame innocent people. Thankfully we still have responsible organizations we can look to, like the FBI, in these unhinged times.

Posted by: Lost In Space at December 28, 2022 02:43 PM (RPgkA)

242 199 years ago a local was knifes to death in a housing project. Our local police chief was at the club we both belonged to and commented "the killer didn't go commit murder, he committed civic improvement"
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Something tells me you aren't 29.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:44 PM (txGor)

243 WTF did they do to her hair?
She went from hot to grandma in one season.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (txGor)

This happens in real life every day

Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2022 02:44 PM (mR6Gs)

244 Thankfully we still have responsible organizations we can look to, like the FBI, in these unhinged times.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBGn9bL4YZw&t=40s

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at December 28, 2022 02:44 PM (VTu1l)

245 242 add 30

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2022 02:45 PM (11zNb)

246 WTF did they do to her hair?
She went from hot to grandma in one season.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:35 PM (txGor)

She hit me. They all do eventually.

Posted by: The Wall at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM (FJYfm)

247 Unfortunately, that channel could also be called "One Woman's No Man's Land."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2022 02:34 PM (YqDXo)

I can appreciate a stained glass window without needing to stick my... wait, this subtext is quickly becoming text.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM (zZu0s)

248
I use my psychic powers to purloin small amounts of Blanton's bourbon from bottles owned by people within a 30 miles radius of my home, whenever -

I want to sip a medium level bourbon but not to pay for it.

If you doubt my powers, I also psychically steal socks from other people's driers here in the continental US.

Chances are good that I've probably stolen some of your socks.

No, you can't have them back.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM (KLPy8)

249 239 I've been binge watching videos on the JFK assassination. I'm surprised I haven't run into anything by a psychic.
Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:43 PM (eGTCV)

Didn't Jeane Dixon go down a rabbit hole on JFK assassination?

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM (CCSxw)

250 Feb 14, 2017. Two very young girls were murdered in Delphi, IN. A man, a pharmacist, has been named, arrested for the murders. So, 6 weeks are nothing. A pedo was connected to the girls and was arrested on different charges. A very sad story worth a read if u are into this kind of stuff.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 28, 2022 02:47 PM (3Or4S)

251 Uh, no. That would presume you've thought of every other possibility, something you can never know.

Well there was some confusion on what exactly deductive reasoning is.

In essence, he's right, deductive reasoning is systematically removing (deducting) all false conclusions until all that is left is the truth. But as you say, its usually impossible to remove ALL the alternatives, because they are nearly infinite.

Which is why he'd also use inductive reasoning, where you add up all the most plausible possibilities, until you come up with a total solution that is the most likely course of events.

Between the two you can do pretty well because most of the "possible" events that deduction examines are so implausible and stupid that they can be disregarded without further study: no, aliens did not arrive and build a pyramid that reflected the sun's light through a crystal skull through the attic window, causing a gun to go off and kill the victim.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:47 PM (0hOvj)

252 248 Chances are good that I've probably stolen some of your socks.

No, you can't have them back.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM (KLPy

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Thems some crusty socks you stole...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:47 PM (LvTSG)

253 add 30
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Lol. Was riffing on the way it formatted your comment.
It made it look like you were saying "a 199 years ago".

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:47 PM (txGor)

254 Didn't Jeane Dixon go down a rabbit hole on JFK assassination?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM (

I vaguely think I have a vague memory about that.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:47 PM (eGTCV)

255 I heard some forensic scientist discussing this case on the Clay and Buck show about a week ago. He was being diplomatic, but implied that the cops were a bunch novices. The cops actually brought acquaintances of the victims into the house before it had been properly secured. He, also, seemed very interested in why the dog (which was on the premises did go crazy at the first smell of blood or the attack against their owner. He, also, said dogs are like hoover vacuums for collecting evidence.

Overall, his take was one of being very unimpressed with the local law enforcement's handling of the case so far.

Posted by: Orson at December 28, 2022 02:48 PM (bUGhj)

256 Thankfully we still have responsible organizations we can look to, like the FBI, in these unhinged times.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBGn9bL4YZw&t=40s
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger

For the Win!

Posted by: Lost In Space at December 28, 2022 02:48 PM (RPgkA)

257
Via Hot Air, there's no free speech right to just defame someone based on "psychic" twitches.

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That's odd.

ISTR them, along with the rest of ConInc, eagerly defaming a schoolboy because the Left had a virtue twitch about him.

Funny how situational this all seems to be.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2022 02:48 PM (oINRc)

258 Psychics and fortune tellers crack me up.

Instead of preying on lonely old battleaxes for chump change they could make it big in Vegas, or playing the lottery or the horses.

But no...complete BS.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 28, 2022 02:49 PM (UCfnM)

259 If LE is really interested and not dissuaded from justice they'll likely get the killer(s).

Look up the murders of the Lyon sisters in Wheaton, MD back in 1975. The killer was found and charged in 2015.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2022 02:49 PM (Q4IgG)

260 100 We walked past a psychic's storefront last night on the way to dinner. 20th St. and Broadway in NYC.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (XIJ/X)

I wouldn't walk around Manhattan at night these days without my Glock 19/GoPro HERO8 meet 'n greet setup.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at December 28, 2022 02:49 PM (516e+)

261 253 ha, do feel that old sometimes

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2022 02:49 PM (11zNb)

262 OT: was looking for something else and came across Pappaw's watch he gave me when I was maybe 8. Old Timex- not worth anything except to me. Probably 60s/70s vintage. Would it up on a whim and it started ticking. Going to check when I get home and see if it held time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at December 28, 2022 02:50 PM (zZu0s)

263 She hit me. They all do eventually.
Posted by: The Wall

But Hollywood has the best makeup artists in the world. Shit. Dye her hair. Have it grey gradually. They went from black hair one season to Jane Goodall the next.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:50 PM (txGor)

264 Unfortunately, the "psychic" is, get this, a lunatic and attention-seeker.
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Inconceivable!

Posted by: Michael Avenatti at December 28, 2022 02:50 PM (lf83v)

265 On the bright side, the psychic knew she was going to be sued.

Because she is a psychic.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 28, 2022 02:51 PM (lf83v)

266 Everyone's heard of Miranda Warnings, but I don't think most people get what it means. If you're not being held, you can leave any time. Your 1st question in this situation should always be, "Am I free to go?" The cops will try to not answer the question but keep asking it until they do. If you aren't free to go, they damn well better read you your rights. If you are free to go, then go.
Posted by: Wally at December 28, 2022 02:40 PM (FJYfm)

This. Cops are not to be trusted in this situation. They're fishing for anything to lock you up.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2022 02:52 PM (BdMk6)

267
How often they talked after being grilled. And the cops weren't even being all Frank Pembleton from Homicide: Life on the Street
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Or agreeing to being hooked up to the "lie detector" copy machine in The Wire.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2022 02:52 PM (n+4am)

268 "There's too many things that you can get caught up on, like DNA and videos everywhere. This isn't something that people get away with, that goes unsolved."

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Wut? You need to stop watching TV, dude.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2022 02:52 PM (oINRc)

269 I may be wrong but from what I understand most standard police work is a playbook. What I mean is that these aren't rogue cops with a mission to find STREET JUSTICE, its a job you clock into and follow procedure step by step, and if that doesn't work you put it in the cold case file and start on the next one because you don't have free time to go after cases that aren't solvable by normal methods.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 02:52 PM (0hOvj)

270 174 Solved Murder rate in the US? 54% (FBI stats).

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 02:11 PM (oHd/0)

Probably wouldn't even be that much if the perp got a lawyer during questioning. I used to watch a lot of true crime shows, and I don't know how many times I saw the cops say, "we can't prove this guy did it, we're gonna have to make him confess" and he friggin does.
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Sometimes the perp just waives his/her right to silence. Sometimes the police get them to take a plea deal.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 28, 2022 02:53 PM (W+kMI)

271 But the Ewok did nothing in the nighttime.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 28, 2022 02:53 PM (Vwz3I)

272 He, also, seemed very interested in why the dog (which was on the premises did go crazy at the first smell of blood or the attack against their owner.
Posted by: Orson

Did not[/] go crazy?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 28, 2022 02:53 PM (IyrhE)

273 The pub I frequent had a tarot card reader. Nope, no way, nosiree not even for Shits and giggles.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 02:53 PM (eGTCV)

274 If you aren't free to go, they damn well better read you your rights. If you are free to go, then go.

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What he said.

Posted by: Frieda Geau at December 28, 2022 02:54 PM (lf83v)

275 4 killer. 2 on third floor, 2 on second floor. I've heard that the guy on the second floor surprised the killer, and he had to be killed . His gf woke up and saw them so she had to be killed. No one knows anything.

Posted by: Tacitus Kilgore at December 28, 2022 02:54 PM (XAmx/)

276 Who buys clocks now? Even interior decorators don't want them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

All of the clocks in my house are mechanical, except the one built into the stove.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2022 02:54 PM (lTGtQ)

277 Chances are good that I've probably stolen some of your socks.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2022 02:46 PM

Who uses socks?

Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at December 28, 2022 02:55 PM (a3Q+t)

278 If I was investigating this case, the "psychic" just made herself a person of interest. Go over all her recent associations. Did someone put her up to this?

Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at December 28, 2022 02:55 PM (OUMaO)

279 These people are fucked up.

Posted by: Dionne Warwick at December 28, 2022 02:56 PM (CZBWZ)

280 Are you clock blocked?

Posted by: Frieda Geau at December 28, 2022 02:56 PM (lf83v)

281 If the psychic is expressing her OPINION that the professor was involved in the murder, it is only defamatory if it implies knowledge of defamatory facts. Like, "I have insider information from the investigating officer, and based on that information it is my opinion that she committed the murder." That type of statement could be defamatory even though couched as an opinion. However, if the psychic's opinion is clearly based on nothing more than Tarot card readings, then the opinion could not imply knowledge of defamatory facts and should not be actionable. The 1st Amendment allows our crazies to be crazy.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 28, 2022 02:56 PM (6QQM8)

282 But the Ewok did nothing in the nighttime.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 28, 2022 02:53 PM

That was the curious incident.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 28, 2022 02:56 PM (YgIxk)

283 268 "There's too many things that you can get caught up on, like DNA and videos everywhere. This isn't something that people get away with, that goes unsolved."

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Wut? You need to stop watching TV, dude.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2022 02:52 PM (oINRc)
_________________

People believe shit like this. My dad, a criminal defense lawyer, had to condition juries used to Hollywood police procedurals that he was not going to have any late-trial revelations that the guy sitting in the back of the courtroom actually did it. Juries expected that if the defendant was innocent, the defense would be able to tell them who actually did it. That's obviously not true in real life.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:57 PM (iFTx/)

284 The pub I frequent had a tarot card reader. Nope, no way, nosiree not even for Shits and giggles.
Posted by: That NLurker

Find the circuit breaker box. Have them start playing with a Ouija board. Start flipping breakers on and off randomly.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at December 28, 2022 02:57 PM (txGor)

285 283 People believe shit like this. My dad, a criminal defense lawyer, had to condition juries used to Hollywood police procedurals that he was not going to have any late-trial revelations that the guy sitting in the back of the courtroom actually did it. Juries expected that if the defendant was innocent, the defense would be able to tell them who actually did it. That's obviously not true in real life.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:57 PM (iFTx/)

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That last part ends up bothering me in movies. The defense in an American trial needs only to establish reasonable doubt, but then you keep getting lawyers who positively need to point out someone else as the one who did it.

It's frustrating to watch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:58 PM (LvTSG)

286 The Princeton girl? I live in NYC and it was in the papers. I knew right away what happened to that girl. Wasn't it obvious it was a drug OD and probably a suicide?
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (iFTx/)
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That particular case was just yesterday ruled a suicide after a two month long "autopsy", a process normally completed in hours. The county in which the case occurred brought in a different county prosecutor to investigate halfway through. No other investigation facts have been announced. The parents responded by hiring their own medical examiner and detectives.

New Jersey is sort of infamous for this kind of shoddy work. Listen to "Dead End: A New Jersey Political Murder Mystery" podcast sometime to get a taste (same county prosecutor did both cases).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:59 PM (FMAAN)

287 I mean these people are really fucked up.

Posted by: Jean Dixon at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (CZBWZ)

288 Juries expected that if the defendant was innocent, the defense would be able to tell them who actually did it. That's obviously not true in real life.
Posted by: Elric Blade
_________

After the CSI series came out, jurors expected the prosecution to produce DNA type evidence for all crimes, as if they had the money to run DNA for every case.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (lf83v)

289 269 I may be wrong but from what I understand most standard police work is a playbook. What I mean is that these aren't rogue cops with a mission to find STREET JUSTICE, its a job you clock into and follow procedure step by step, and if that doesn't work you put it in the cold case file and start on the next one because you don't have free time to go after cases that aren't solvable by normal methods.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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This case won't follow the standard protocol because of the number of people killed in one event. My guess which could totally be off base is that a relationship however tenuous exists of the killer and victims or the victims' families. Which is why they hold out a possibility of solving it.

Smart cops won't release much if any details of the crimes (which makes it difficult to determine if the cops are incompetent btw) and only ask the public for help for matters that do not matter if the fact is disclosed or not to the killer or even killers.

After all, it is possible that two were involved in the killings rather than one. Dual serial killers are rare but do exist.

Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (bDjBG)

290 Scofield in the suit also said she was in Portland, Ore., with her husband during the time of the killings and checked out of a hotel in the city hours after the killings occurred

How convenient.

Is there video of "Scofield" checking out of the hotel? Does she have a pilots license and the ability to steal a G6?

I'm just asking questions. I mean we are talking Tarot Cards here, people. How much more proof do you need?

Posted by: Chuck C at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (xttsV)

291 Sometimes the perp just waives his/her right to silence. Sometimes the police get them to take a plea deal.
Posted by: exdem13 at December 28, 2022 02:53 PM (W+kMI)

Federal Prosecutors have a 99.8% conviction rate... but... Less than 3% got to trial... the rest are plea deals.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (oHd/0)

292 Benchmark is a decent, super cheap bourbon that'll get you drunk!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (LvTSG)

It's got nothing to do with cash. I have to be up early tomorrow and I don't want to have a hangover. But the way I feel, I really want to get blind drunk.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (AW0uW)

293 286 The Princeton girl? I live in NYC and it was in the papers. I knew right away what happened to that girl. Wasn't it obvious it was a drug OD and probably a suicide?
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (iFTx/)
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That particular case was just yesterday ruled a suicide after a two month long "autopsy", a process normally completed in hours. The county in which the case occurred brought in a different county prosecutor to investigate halfway through. No other investigation facts have been announced. The parents responded by hiring their own medical examiner and detectives.

New Jersey is sort of infamous for this kind of shoddy work. Listen to "Dead End: A New Jersey Political Murder Mystery" podcast sometime to get a taste (same county prosecutor did both cases).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:59 PM (FMAAN)
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Ahhhhhhhh ... so my instincts were correct after all . . . a suicide. Like I said, that seemed obvious to me at the time.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 03:01 PM (iFTx/)

294 ***Goes into trance***

SILENCE!!!!

The Great Clingisimo is getting a vision.

I see Elephants approving billions of dollars more for the Ukraine in the name of bullshit democracy. They will be led by a giant, ancient tortoise.

***passes out***

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 28, 2022 03:01 PM (L6wYe)

295 NYT discovers that real people don't use their language. For example, more than two years after they told us to not use the term "master bedroom", more than 80% of people are still using it!

https://bit.ly/3hVB7rg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 28, 2022 03:01 PM (FVME7)

296 Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 03:00 PM (bDjBG)

Report I saw a couple days ago where they were talking about resources for this case, there are now more FBI agents involved, than local detectives.

Hans Gruber lines come to mind.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2022 03:02 PM (oHd/0)

297 Hans Gruber lines come to mind.
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Too soon, given his recent death.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 28, 2022 03:02 PM (lf83v)

298 That last part ends up bothering me in movies. The defense in an American trial needs only to establish reasonable doubt, but then you keep getting lawyers who positively need to point out someone else as the one who did it.

It's frustrating to watch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at December 28, 2022 02:58 PM (LvTSG)

But it does make sense in movies and TV. If Perry Mason is just getting the defendant set free, after all the shady things we just learned about the guy, Perry Mason seems like a sleazeball (HINT: He is. He's an attorney.) who just set some loser free. But if Perry finds the real killer, then Perry is a great guy, and that guy who was wrongfully charged was just a victim of circumstance.

We all got some good laughs out of Johnny Cochran, but did anyone really admire him?

Posted by: The Wall at December 28, 2022 03:03 PM (FJYfm)

299 >>> That particular case was just yesterday ruled a suicide after a two month long "autopsy", a process normally completed in hours. The county in which the case occurred brought in a different county prosecutor to investigate halfway through. No other investigation facts have been announced. The parents responded by hiring their own medical examiner and detectives.

New Jersey is sort of infamous for this kind of shoddy work. Listen to "Dead End: A New Jersey Political Murder Mystery" podcast sometime to get a taste (same county prosecutor did both cases).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:59 PM (FMAAN)

A case I was recently in a jury for had a coroner skip out on the case and get a job in another county. So all the medical evidence, all thrown out. Me:Couldn't you just call the coroner in as a witness? People:No, are you crazy, he's in a different county down the highway a little bit. The state had nothing and the defense walked away with it. SMH

Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 03:04 PM (0fVbu)

300 293 286 The Princeton girl? I live in NYC and it was in the papers. I knew right away what happened to that girl. Wasn't it obvious it was a drug OD and probably a suicide?
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 02:39 PM (iFTx/)
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That particular case was just yesterday ruled a suicide after a two month long "autopsy", a process normally completed in hours. The county in which the case occurred brought in a different county prosecutor to investigate halfway through. No other investigation facts have been announced. The parents responded by hiring their own medical examiner and detectives.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2022 02:59 PM (FMAAN)
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Ahhhhhhhh ... so my instincts were correct after all . . . a suicide. Like I said, that seemed obvious to me at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 03:01 PM (iFTx/)

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And I'll bet the cocksuckers at Princeton University did everything possible to cover it all up. A pretty black girl turning up dead on campus ain't great for PR.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2022 03:04 PM (iFTx/)

301 I suspect Adam Schiff is a pervert. There are no psychics involved. My evidence is that face and he's a Democrat.

Posted by: That NLurker it comes in pints? at December 28, 2022 03:04 PM (eGTCV)

302 But if Perry finds the real killer, then Perry is a great guy, and that guy who was wrongfully charged was just a victim of circumstance.

Also its completion. Nothing says your client is innocent of a crime as well as finding the actual perpetrator. Just proving that the evidence is not sufficient to convict, well that doesn't exactly exonerate them.

The Perry Mason books are great fun by the way, highly recommend especially the early ones.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 28, 2022 03:06 PM (0hOvj)

303 I see Elephants approving billions of dollars more for the Ukraine in the name of bullshit democracy. They will be led by a giant, ancient tortoise.

***passes out***
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 28, 2022 03:01 PM (L6wYe)

Hey, that gives me an idea. I should ask Congress for $50 billion for elephants, so I can claim to go all Hannibal on Putin's ass! The best part is, no one knows how much an elephant costs, so this has great graft potential!

Posted by: The Great Zelenskyy at December 28, 2022 03:06 PM (FJYfm)

304 nood

Santa

err... Santos

Posted by: banana Dream at December 28, 2022 03:06 PM (0fVbu)

305 100 We walked past a psychic's storefront last night on the way to dinner. 20th St. and Broadway in NYC.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2022 02:20 PM (XIJ/X)
........

Shoulda went in.
"You are about to be mugged. That'll be $50."

Posted by: wth at December 28, 2022 03:06 PM (v0R5T)

306 Canada has created medically assisted suicide activity books for elementary school children.

https://bit.ly/3WRK83g

I guess get them young and they won't get old.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at December 28, 2022 03:06 PM (FVME7)

307 That last part ends up bothering me in movies. The defense in an American trial needs only to establish reasonable doubt, but then you keep getting lawyers who positively need to point out someone else as the one who did it.

It's frustrating to watch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The joke term for defenses is Toddi or Soddi. Toddi is the other dude did it (if two or more named individuals are involved), Soddi is some other dude did it (used to blame unknown persons or others related to the case). That is assuming the rarity of actually going to trial at all.

Then, you get some defense lawyers that pretty much do plea bargains for the guilty all day long while spending little time in court cases. They rely on their relationships with prosecutors and police (often they are former prosecutors themselves) to make advantageous pleas for their clients.

Posted by: whig at December 28, 2022 03:07 PM (bDjBG)

308
We all got some good laughs out of Johnny Cochran, but did anyone really admire him?
Posted by: The Wall

ORRROOUUUGHH GHHHUURRRR HFFFF HFFF RHEEEEEAAAH

*engages Wookie/English Translator bot*

I say, old fellow. Mister Cochran was quite the raconteur, nay, a fabulist and cad of the first order to imply that I bore any responsibility for that heinous crime.

Posted by: Chewbacca at December 28, 2022 03:09 PM (n+4am)

309 In a later post, Guillard said she was "gleaming with excitement" that she would have to opportunity to "present my ideas in court" about the killings.

Sorry, honey, but you're not going to get to "present [your] ideas in court", at least if the judge is worth his/her salt.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 28, 2022 03:09 PM (uPgE/)

310 Just read, the young man was a triplet, one of two boys, the first born! All three attended the university, and he and his brother were in the same fraternity. (They have older half siblings, mostly married, too.)

Maybe the awful attack began with that young man. Did he surprise the killer, was he a rival in some way?

At any rate, all of the deaths are tragic. Prayers for them, their family and friends. And may the killer or killers be caught soon.

Posted by: Lola at December 28, 2022 03:10 PM (p39Z2)

311
US murder case clearance rate is around half, and that doesn't include cases where there's no conviction - just an arrest.

This is the all time low, since the 1950s.

As the police state has grown enormous and gotten whiz-bang new tools like cell-phone tracking, DNA, video surveillance, etc., it has grown piss-poor at crime-solving, for the obvious reasons.

1.) They're dependent on the tools, and have lost the skills.

2.) Criminals, on the other hand, are not generally the retards popular culture portrays them as, and it doesn't take a genius to take a few basic precautions that circumvent the billion-dollar apparatus the cops have.

3.) Police agencies use the violence in the streets to justify more spending every election cycle, and have little motivation to re-learn that basic stuff.

Anybody who believes what CSI: Huuuur Da Durrrr says over the physical reality in front of their dumb faces whenever they go out at night is seriously checked out.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2022 03:11 PM (oINRc)

312 Perry Mason seems like a sleazeball (HINT: He is. He's an attorney.)
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And then pretending to be handicapped all those years in that wheelchair!

Probably doing it for the handicapped licence plates.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 28, 2022 03:11 PM (Vwz3I)

313 We all got some good laughs out of Johnny Cochran, but did anyone really admire him?

https://tinyurl.com/mr29hj6j

Posted by: Lost In Space at December 28, 2022 03:12 PM (RPgkA)

314 nood lying Congressman

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 28, 2022 03:16 PM (Vwz3I)

315 Amazing. A fucking self-styled internet sleuth has over 100K people following them and I can barely sell one of my goddamned books in a month.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2022 02:21 PM

Reminds me of the scene in "The Social Network" after they find out that 650 students signed up for The Facebook on the first day:

Winklevoss: God, if I was a drug dealer, I couldn't give free drugs to 650 people in one day.

Narendra: And this guy doesn't have three friends to rub together to make a fourth.

https://bit.ly/3C7NWpv

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 28, 2022 03:19 PM (Do5/p)

316 'Some people just need killin'.'
-what somebody said in a movie

Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2022 03:38 PM (0OP+5)

317 24
A minor quibble about "free speech" here. You do indeed have a free speech right to defame and libel someone. The govt. can't "censor/prior restrain" such speech.

But, as this lunatic is learning, you are libel for damages said speech does in the case of libel and defamation.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 28, 2022 02:08 PM (Mzdiz)
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libel = written stuff that 'injures' a target
slander = voiced stuff that 'injures' a target
Both are liable to be challenged legally by the target

(note spelling of libel/liable)

Posted by: Ciampino - in olden times it was grounds for a duel at December 28, 2022 05:10 PM (qfLjt)

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