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THE MORNING RANT: Despite Years of Hype, Autonomous Car Revolution Is a Failure; EV Revolution Is Following Same Hype/Failure Trajectory
The autonomous vehicle storyline over the past decade and the electric vehicle storyline over the same period are different, but ultimately these two fairy tales are quite similar. Both were going to replace your traditional self-driven, gas-propelled car. The media continuously reported the replacement of your traditional car not as a goal, or even a possibility, but as an imminent certainty.
It hasn’t happened. It won’t happen. It can’t happen. Throughout the 2010s, there was a constant stream of breathless articles and news stories reporting that autonomous vehicles were just a couple years away, and that by the early 2020s they would be commonplace, starting to replace human-driven cars in huge numbers. It hasn’t happened because it just isn’t scientifically feasible at this time – or for the foreseeable future. Finally, at least, those credulous puff pieces about autonomous vehicles have pretty much gone away. As for EVs, right now they are primarily a status symbol for the affluent, occupying the prominent, small-market-share space that luxury and exotic cars have always held. The rejection of EVs by the great mass of American consumers is not seen by politicians and the media, because they don’t want to see it. They believe in EVs. Beyond that, it is scientifically not possible for EVs to replace the American vehicle fleet for a multitude of reasons, including electric generating capacity, grid capacity, availability of copper and lithium, etc. We are still a couple of years away from the failure of the EV revolution becoming as clear as the failure of the autonomous car revolution. But it’s inevitable, and I’m looking forward to covering it. While we’re on these subjects, let’s look at some headlines.
Ford Disbands Argo AI Autonomous Vehicle Unit, Posts Loss
Executives said they don't see a path to profitability on fully autonomous vehicles, and will now focus on partially automated driver-assist systems, which need to be monitored by humans. It would take billions of dollars for Ford to put self-driving robotaxis on the streets, Lawler said, yet it wasn't clear when that would happen “in a way that would allow us to have a profitable return on that investment.”Expect a headline like this from Ford in a few years regarding EVs. Of course, by then Ford’s executives may have fully driven the company out of business, with its foolish commitment to replace all of its existing customer base with EV fanboys.
EV super-fanboys just can’t get enough of their four-wheeled status symbols. But apparently if one EV makes you virtuous, a collection of EVs does not make you super-virtuous. It makes you an environmental sinner.
A large share of battery-powered cars are being bought by households that already own an EV, or two or three for that matter. The EV early adopter has given way to the superuser or, some might say, the hoarder. And despite their good intentions, these double-dippers may unwittingly be shrinking the climate benefits their cars can offer.EV buyers are engaging in all sorts of eco-sinning. Adding an EV to your household fleet as virtuous ornamentation to your gas-powered fleet is far less eco-friendly than not buying an extra car at all.
Many Americans willing and able to pay those prices don’t need to sell their current car to make the switch. And they often just keep both: U.S. households with an EV have an average of 2.7 vehicles, compared with 2.1 vehicles for the country overall. But it presents a problematic paradox: An EV is only a decarbonizer to the extent that it offsets both gas-powered driving and the emissions needed to make it, a process that leaves a far larger carbon footprint than that for a gas-powered car. The only way for the machine to cover its carbon, so to speak, is in miles.Will someone please advise the corps of Karens that EV owners are worsening “the climate crisis” with every EV sold? Carbon-Karen versus EV Fanboy could prove to be very entertaining.
"Unless we manage to reduce energy prices in Germany and Europe quickly and reliably," Thomas Schäfer wrote in a Monday LinkedIn post, "investments in energy-intensive production or new battery cell factories in Germany and the EU will be practically unviable."VW leadership has been all in on the EV folly. I guess they’re finally figuring out that by signing on to de-carbonization, they are participants in a continental suicide pact. A European economy that no longer has heavy manufacturing will also no longer have consumers that can buy VW cars – EV or otherwise - no matter where they are manufactured.
“The private use of electric cars is only permitted for absolutely necessary journeys (e.g. professional practice, shopping, visiting the doctor, attending religious events, attending court appointments)” in the event of a “level 3” power shortage, the draft reads…It cannot be said enough, getting you out of your gas-powered car is not about saving the environment, it’s about restricting your freedom.
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Yo
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:00 AM (pMKpk)
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Sponge.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2022 11:00 AM (JOtiF)
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I'm not saying EVs make no sense, are impractical, cost too much upfront and that the backend maintenance is outrageously high, but...
Well, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Well, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:01 AM (pMKpk)
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I want neither..gonna' hang onto my 2005 pup as long as I can.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:02 AM (AwYPR)
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Posted this yesterday:
Not a Joke: Ford Says Don't Use Heater in Electric Truck in Winter to Save Battery - But That's Not All
https://bit.ly/3VE6epP
Not a Joke: Ford Says Don't Use Heater in Electric Truck in Winter to Save Battery - But That's Not All
https://bit.ly/3VE6epP
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:02 AM (IV8Hw)
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It also seems like EVs may just be another vehicle for wealth transfer as part of the ESG bullshit.
Pardon the pun.
Pardon the pun.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:03 AM (pMKpk)
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Morning.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:03 AM (kogbC)
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The media continuously reported the replacement of your traditional car not as a goal, or even a possibility, but as an imminent certainty.
The media is comprised, by and large, of not very bright salespeople. The kind who don't really understand the product they're peddling but think that they should be CEO.
The media is comprised, by and large, of not very bright salespeople. The kind who don't really understand the product they're peddling but think that they should be CEO.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at December 09, 2022 11:03 AM (Vav/d)
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Now here is a hilarious Bloomberg story: The Wrong Americans Are Buying Electric Cars
If you have two or three ICE vehicles, you are going to need two or three EV's.
If you have two or three ICE vehicles, you are going to need two or three EV's.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:04 AM (IV8Hw)
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Good. I look forward to the day when broke down EV's are dumped anonymously in back alleys because to dispose of them is so toxic no landfill or recycling place will take them without charging the idiot owner's an arm and a leg.
I am sure the feds will come up with a program costing billions to rid us of them though...
A man can dream.
I am sure the feds will come up with a program costing billions to rid us of them though...
A man can dream.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 09, 2022 11:04 AM (R/m4+)
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So we should be somewhat leery of sex robots?
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at December 09, 2022 11:04 AM (xxG/v)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (BTgKJ)
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Yay! Finally some good news.
Posted by: Ziba at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (4h9M3)
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Eventually all corporations will bow at the feet of reality. Even CNN had to bow.
None of this ESG shit is profitable. Woke isn't profitable. People despise it.
You can only burn through so much cash to honor the woke gods before your shareholders call for your scalp.
None of this ESG shit is profitable. Woke isn't profitable. People despise it.
You can only burn through so much cash to honor the woke gods before your shareholders call for your scalp.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (pMKpk)
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I'm a software guy so I never once thought that any of the AI car hokum would pan out. I know too much about the reality of trying to solve these sorts of problems.
As for EVs...yeah, mostly a status symbol and rarely an only car. Nothing wrong with that, but it's no more likely that everyone will drive an EV in the future than that everyone will drive a Lamborghini in the future.
As for EVs...yeah, mostly a status symbol and rarely an only car. Nothing wrong with that, but it's no more likely that everyone will drive an EV in the future than that everyone will drive a Lamborghini in the future.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (UewuT)
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I blame Lincoln.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (zFo/b)
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For those eager to end the IC engine, Hydrogen Cell powered vehicles are more viable, IMO. Also cleaner to make and power. Slavery isn't involved either. Of course, it's old tech and therefore lacks the sizzle of EV, so it might be forced to succeed strictly on its economic merits (that's sarcastic).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2022 11:06 AM (s9+KW)
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Eve > EV
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2022 11:06 AM (Cus5s)
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It doesn't matter. It's not about EVs. They don't have to work. No one cares. Well, no one who matters cares. Hint: Unless you go to Davos or WEF meetings, that's not you or me.
It's only about Agenda 21.
It's why the year 2030 is so important. It's all coordinated. Your vote or purchasing desires don't matter one single bit.
It's only about Agenda 21.
It's why the year 2030 is so important. It's all coordinated. Your vote or purchasing desires don't matter one single bit.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:06 AM (spZJg)
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The constant "nudging" towards EV's is really all about keeping society from being mobile.
A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
That last line needs a trademark.
A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
That last line needs a trademark.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2022 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)
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The odd thing was that they had a good model before with hybrids. That makes far more sense.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (pMKpk)
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Steam power was good enough for my Grandfather and it's good enough for me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk)
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I own a 2007 Ford Ranger, a 2010 Dodge Avenger & a 2021 Ford F-150. All paid for.
Is someone going to gift me three EV's? Because I don't have payments now. I'm not taking on three payments.
Is someone going to gift me three EV's? Because I don't have payments now. I'm not taking on three payments.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (IV8Hw)
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Rats, don't want a EV but having some computer driving me to work would be nice
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (vlzKB)
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22 Steam power was good enough for my Grandfather and it's good enough for me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk
I prefer coal fired steam cars too!
Sooty!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk
I prefer coal fired steam cars too!
Sooty!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (pMKpk)
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Yeah, what happened to hybrids, anyway?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (zFo/b)
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Yeah, no way will I be buying an EV. I like to get where I want to in a reasonable amount of time.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (WsJuq)
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Feckin' Trump
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (flINI)
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EV proponents will not face reality. They insist civilization can be run on wind and sunshine. The only way this goes away, (imo) is spectacular, universally-acknowledged failure.
Posted by: DB at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (geLO8)
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When will Dippin' Dots be the ice cream of today?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (DhOHl)
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I blame Lincoln.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (zFo/b)
You can blame Lincoln but all right thinking people know the problems *really* started with Marbury v. Madison.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:05 AM (zFo/b)
You can blame Lincoln but all right thinking people know the problems *really* started with Marbury v. Madison.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (kogbC)
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I don't mind the attempt or actually the continued attempts to improve this technology. I just don't want it forced on us.
Posted by: polynikes at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (0om5x)
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A large share of battery-powered cars are being bought by households that already own an EV, or two or three for that matter. The EV early adopter has given way to the superuser or, some might say, the hoarder. And despite their good intentions, these double-dippers may unwittingly be shrinking the climate benefits their cars can offer.
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HAHAHAHAHHA.
It was never about the climate, it was about status, performance (electric sports cars are quick as hell and fun to drive) or both. C'mon guys. Don't try to blow smoke up my ass.
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HAHAHAHAHHA.
It was never about the climate, it was about status, performance (electric sports cars are quick as hell and fun to drive) or both. C'mon guys. Don't try to blow smoke up my ass.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
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The media continuously reported the replacement of your traditional car not as a goal, or even a possibility, but as an imminent certainty.
It hasn’t happened. It won’t happen. It can’t happen.
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It certainly is. The plants are already built. The tooling is already established. China - the biggest market and driver of this stupid Global Warming scheme (and likely co-piloting with the WEF) - are driving demand. We are not the market for American manufacturers any longer. We will be allowed to buy what's offered, but we don't have any say in the products.
It hasn’t happened. It won’t happen. It can’t happen.
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It certainly is. The plants are already built. The tooling is already established. China - the biggest market and driver of this stupid Global Warming scheme (and likely co-piloting with the WEF) - are driving demand. We are not the market for American manufacturers any longer. We will be allowed to buy what's offered, but we don't have any say in the products.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (spZJg)
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The failure is the point. The real goal is no private cars for anyone who isn't a feudal lord in our upcoming 1500: Part II society.
How they plan to keep all the modern stuff spun up for themselves after shutting 99% of it down is something that hasn't occurred to them yet.
How they plan to keep all the modern stuff spun up for themselves after shutting 99% of it down is something that hasn't occurred to them yet.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (hj2D/)
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I've been saying all along that EVs are today's grift the same way solar panels were the grift back in 2010-ish
Fisker, Canoo, and all the other start-up EV companies you've never heard of are the present day's Solindra
I've been saying all along that EVs are today's grift the same way solar panels were the grift back in 2010-ish
Fisker, Canoo, and all the other start-up EV companies you've never heard of are the present day's Solindra
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (ENBF0)
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What about monorails and flying cars?
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (4vi12)
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Not gonna drive a frigging johnny cab, not happening.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (VwHCD)
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I was promised by this point that we'd have flying cars powered by Mr. Fusion!
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (BTgKJ)
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Yes, tell me more about you eco-sins.
Hmmm... Ass penance take this shot, eat these bugs, and kindly die.
Hmmm... Ass penance take this shot, eat these bugs, and kindly die.
Posted by: WEF Preisthood at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (ftFVW)
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I love "Feliz Navidad" by Jose Feliciano and play it in my car all year long. It's fast-moving, cheerful, and gives me a feeling of triumph in adversity -- all things we all need right now.
OTOH, for those of you in hot climates who ware waiting for some winter, I present my rendition of "Winter Wonderland":
"Later on, we'll perspire / 'Is that A/C? Turn it higher!'
We drive and we grump / O'er potholes and bumps,
Sweating in a sticky swampy land!"
OTOH, for those of you in hot climates who ware waiting for some winter, I present my rendition of "Winter Wonderland":
"Later on, we'll perspire / 'Is that A/C? Turn it higher!'
We drive and we grump / O'er potholes and bumps,
Sweating in a sticky swampy land!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (J2vNu)
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35 The failure is the point. The real goal is no private cars for anyone who isn't a feudal lord in our upcoming 1500: Part II society.
How they plan to keep all the modern stuff spun up for themselves after shutting 99% of it down is something that hasn't occurred to them yet.
Posted by: Ian S.
Slavery.
How they plan to keep all the modern stuff spun up for themselves after shutting 99% of it down is something that hasn't occurred to them yet.
Posted by: Ian S.
Slavery.
Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (oTZbj)
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Reminds me of Brazil: The Economy Of The Future.
And it always will be.
And it always will be.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (DhOHl)
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It's the '80s. Where's our rocket packs?
Posted by: 29Victor at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (BJKQV)
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Cruelty from Stephen Kruiser:
"Brittney Griner is a cliché America-hating lefty who was stupid enough to pack drugs for a trip to a hostile foreign nation. If ever anyone needed a harsh lesson about why America is better, it’s this idiot. She should have had to serve out her labor camp penalty in Russia until she was ready to wake up and sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" every day."
"Brittney Griner is a cliché America-hating lefty who was stupid enough to pack drugs for a trip to a hostile foreign nation. If ever anyone needed a harsh lesson about why America is better, it’s this idiot. She should have had to serve out her labor camp penalty in Russia until she was ready to wake up and sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" every day."
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (PiwSw)
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@40
>>I was promised by this point that we'd have flying cars powered by Mr. Fusion!
We were promised jetpacks damn it!! JETPACKS!!!!!!!!
>>I was promised by this point that we'd have flying cars powered by Mr. Fusion!
We were promised jetpacks damn it!! JETPACKS!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (hj2D/)
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I'm holding out for a zero point energy car that goes faster than the speed of light without the nasty increase in mass and the g-forces.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:11 AM (pMKpk)
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Next you are going to tell me that fusion power is just a pipe dream!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (BpYfr)
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monorail .... Monorail ... MONORAIL!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (yQpMk)
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21 The odd thing was that they had a good model before with hybrids. That makes far more sense.
Hybrids solved a problem and were viable.
they don't want that
clearly!
I would buy a hybrid but no way am I going to be dependent on charging stations solely
Hybrids solved a problem and were viable.
they don't want that
clearly!
I would buy a hybrid but no way am I going to be dependent on charging stations solely
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (w0NJk)
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Cars that can drive themselves on local roads is basically an impossible task. Driving on the highway is something I can see as solvable but was never going to happen because the first time there is an bad accident the company that makes the car will be sued out of business.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (yCg0Q)
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Beyond that, it is scientifically not possible for EVs to replace the American vehicle fleet for a multitude of reasons, including electric generating capacity, grid capacity, availability of copper and lithium, etc.
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"Just you wait, buster -- I've been assured that cars powered by their own small nuclear fusion reactors are right around the corner!"
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"Just you wait, buster -- I've been assured that cars powered by their own small nuclear fusion reactors are right around the corner!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (PnkSq)
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Okay...here goes:
We have a Tesla. Model 3 Performance.
Why?
1) Because it's FUN as hell, there is nothing quicker in traffic. 3.2 seconds 0-60 and brutal instant head-in-headrest torque any time you want it under 130mph. Sticks like glue everywhere I've driven it. Hasn't been to the track yet. Spouse wouldn't like using up those $400/ea tires (like the K02s on my truck...)
2) Because California's throwing up all these HOV lanes one of which now opened goes from here to my wife's office, and an EV gets you three years toll-free in those lanes, and I haven't yet convinced her to move elsewhere.
3) It's built in the US, a whole ten miles from where we live.
It really IS fun, and it really HAS been real-world useful (she drives it to San Diego 3x/year two 20-30min stops, daughter busted her 100mph cherry in it) and it's been more reliable to 50K miles than anything else we ever bought.
We have a Tesla. Model 3 Performance.
Why?
1) Because it's FUN as hell, there is nothing quicker in traffic. 3.2 seconds 0-60 and brutal instant head-in-headrest torque any time you want it under 130mph. Sticks like glue everywhere I've driven it. Hasn't been to the track yet. Spouse wouldn't like using up those $400/ea tires (like the K02s on my truck...)
2) Because California's throwing up all these HOV lanes one of which now opened goes from here to my wife's office, and an EV gets you three years toll-free in those lanes, and I haven't yet convinced her to move elsewhere.
3) It's built in the US, a whole ten miles from where we live.
It really IS fun, and it really HAS been real-world useful (she drives it to San Diego 3x/year two 20-30min stops, daughter busted her 100mph cherry in it) and it's been more reliable to 50K miles than anything else we ever bought.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (8erNz)
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I want a wood burning truck like Eustace The Mountain Man made at his cabin deep in the woods.
Wonder if he is still alive.
Wonder if he is still alive.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (R/m4+)
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The media continuously reported the replacement of your traditional car not as a goal, or even a possibility, but as an imminent certainty.
It hasn’t happened. It won’t happen. It can’t happen.
That's adorable. 2035's been set as the hard date and the car makers are all moving to comply. We're already nearing the cutoff point where it'll be hugely expensive to start building ICE cars again.
It hasn’t happened. It won’t happen. It can’t happen.
That's adorable. 2035's been set as the hard date and the car makers are all moving to comply. We're already nearing the cutoff point where it'll be hugely expensive to start building ICE cars again.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)
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But it presents a problematic paradox: An EV is only a decarbonizer to the extent that it offsets both gas-powered driving and the emissions needed to make it, a process that leaves a far larger carbon footprint than that for a gas-powered car. The only way for the machine to cover its carbon, so to speak, is in miles.
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And once again, they loudly ignore the remaining factor: energy. The total lifetime energy cost of an IC car - to mine the ore, to transport it, to refine it, to cast it, to assemble it, to transport it all over the place during manufacturing, to pump into the tank to drive it, etc. - is lower than the total lifetime energy cost of an EV.
Beyond that, the energy cost (and emissions, if you care about that) are usually greater on the production side of automobiles than the consumption side. It takes more to make the car than to operate the car for its lifetime, especially as efficiency increases. Replacing and operational used car is less green than keeping it running.
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And once again, they loudly ignore the remaining factor: energy. The total lifetime energy cost of an IC car - to mine the ore, to transport it, to refine it, to cast it, to assemble it, to transport it all over the place during manufacturing, to pump into the tank to drive it, etc. - is lower than the total lifetime energy cost of an EV.
Beyond that, the energy cost (and emissions, if you care about that) are usually greater on the production side of automobiles than the consumption side. It takes more to make the car than to operate the car for its lifetime, especially as efficiency increases. Replacing and operational used car is less green than keeping it running.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
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My family fleet consists of...
A pickup truck.
A preposterous Jeep Wrangler.
A Honda Pilot.
I will never buy an EV, ever.
A pickup truck.
A preposterous Jeep Wrangler.
A Honda Pilot.
I will never buy an EV, ever.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (hj2D/)
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"Carbon-Karen versus EV Fanboy could prove to be very entertaining."
I'd like to see cage fights with conservatives vs soibois.
I'd like to see cage fights with conservatives vs soibois.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (Mzdiz)
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There is not enough: cobalt, lithium, copper, manganese, nickel or zinc on the planet to build a fraction of the EV that are promised. And, even if we found another planet to get them from, the electrical grid could not support even 10% of the planned vehicles.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (lTGtQ)
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35 How they plan to keep all the modern stuff spun up for themselves after shutting 99% of it down is something that hasn't occurred to them yet.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (ZGrMX)
Or how to actually keep what they kill; as anyone who's lived outside a major city can attest to, there are large swaths of land that operate on their own schedule.
I've been thinking a lot about Alexander the Great lately. He conquered much but ruled little, and as soon as he died his empire tore itself apart.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:10 AM (ZGrMX)
Or how to actually keep what they kill; as anyone who's lived outside a major city can attest to, there are large swaths of land that operate on their own schedule.
I've been thinking a lot about Alexander the Great lately. He conquered much but ruled little, and as soon as he died his empire tore itself apart.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (UewuT)
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Steam power was good enough for my Grandfather and it's good enough for me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk
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I prefer coal fired steam cars too!
Sooty!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022
***
Maybe it's time for my vehicle to make a triumphant return!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk
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I prefer coal fired steam cars too!
Sooty!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022
***
Maybe it's time for my vehicle to make a triumphant return!
Posted by: Mr. Stanley of Steam Propulsion Fame at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (J2vNu)
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Switzerland has emergency protocols in place for the upcoming electricity shortages this winter. Level II says you can't charge your EV.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (uNylN)
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Ace you need to post a video of the Ford lightning that could not hold a charge in 37° weather. It lost 40% of its battery, just sitting there
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (dKiJG)
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Recently, China imposed a mandate on automakers requiring that electric vehicles (EVs) make up 40% of all sales by 2030.
https://tinyurl.com/3x4jsvcn
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By 2030, (Buick) will no longer offer vehicles with combustion engines in North America.
https://tinyurl.com/4b5drwyf
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About 80 percent of Buick’s global sales are in China, and nearly a third of GM’s sales in China come from Buick alone.
https://tinyurl.com/57dn99c6
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Notice 2030 keeps popping up.
It doesn't matter what you want. The communists are in control.
https://tinyurl.com/3x4jsvcn
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By 2030, (Buick) will no longer offer vehicles with combustion engines in North America.
https://tinyurl.com/4b5drwyf
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About 80 percent of Buick’s global sales are in China, and nearly a third of GM’s sales in China come from Buick alone.
https://tinyurl.com/57dn99c6
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Notice 2030 keeps popping up.
It doesn't matter what you want. The communists are in control.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:14 AM (spZJg)
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"...getting you out of your gas-powered car is not about saving the environment, it’s about restricting your freedom."
Completely agree.
That's also the reason there is a push now and again to get people back in the cities. Easier to control.
Remember how roads into Manhattan were shut down after 9/11? That is the stuff of communist/nwo wet dreams.
Completely agree.
That's also the reason there is a push now and again to get people back in the cities. Easier to control.
Remember how roads into Manhattan were shut down after 9/11? That is the stuff of communist/nwo wet dreams.
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at December 09, 2022 11:14 AM (Rbu5d)
67
Driving an EV is a "virtuous" way to show off that you have money, just like a lot of "green" technologies. That's a huge part of their draw.
Posted by: 29Victor at December 09, 2022 11:14 AM (BJKQV)
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That's adorable. 2035's been set as the hard date and the car makers are all moving to comply. We're already nearing the cutoff point where it'll be hugely expensive to start building ICE cars again.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)
That just means minor players get to command huge margins until they replace the larger players.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)
That just means minor players get to command huge margins until they replace the larger players.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM (MoZTd)
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I'm an engineer that has to work with control systems. I've also read a lot of the relevant research on autonomous driving. This is where we are at: a large number of vehicles driving on clearly marked pathways can maintain routes while "bumping" into each other quite often. These bumps are the primary means that the best systems use to navigate. Autonomous driving to the point it would be useful is very far off as in multiple lifespans. And I talk to other engineers who own teslas and they think it's always going to come next year. How I ask, magic they reply. It will not come. But regulation to prevent 99% of the population from having the freedom to drive could happen today. That's the real goal.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM (2oHWb)
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67 Driving an EV is a "virtuous" way to show off that you have money, just like a lot of "green" technologies. That's a huge part of their draw.
Posted by: 29Victor at December 09, 2022 11:14 AM (BJKQV)
Extra points if you're alone in the car and wear a mask.
Posted by: 29Victor at December 09, 2022 11:14 AM (BJKQV)
Extra points if you're alone in the car and wear a mask.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM (PiwSw)
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Okay...here goes:
We have a Tesla. Model 3 Performance.
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And as is always the case:
What are your other real cars?
We have a Tesla. Model 3 Performance.
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And as is always the case:
What are your other real cars?
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM (spZJg)
73
Cars that can drive themselves on local roads is basically an impossible task…
Posted by: Ryan Frank
Take a test ride in the all new EV Wonder!
Posted by: Ryan Frank
Take a test ride in the all new EV Wonder!
Posted by: Rex B at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (C/VHT)
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it was about status, performance (electric sports cars are quick as hell and fun to drive) or both.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
For $125k you can get the performance of the fastest ICE cars on the planet. That is impressive!
And just admit it and we can all smile and say, "Cool!"
But try to force me, and I will fight you every step of the way, and remain with ICE even after EVs become a reasonable alternative (in 75 years...maybe).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
For $125k you can get the performance of the fastest ICE cars on the planet. That is impressive!
And just admit it and we can all smile and say, "Cool!"
But try to force me, and I will fight you every step of the way, and remain with ICE even after EVs become a reasonable alternative (in 75 years...maybe).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (XIJ/X)
75
Let's say that McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's et al decided to stop selling burgers. Does that means burgers go away?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (eYoxG)
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Hybrids solved a problem and were viable.
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Hybrids double the number of systems that can fail. They work but the maintenance is a bitch. Simple ICE works and has worked for a century. Don't fix what's not broken.
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Hybrids double the number of systems that can fail. They work but the maintenance is a bitch. Simple ICE works and has worked for a century. Don't fix what's not broken.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (4vi12)
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54: JEM - I test drove a Tesla and it was a lot of fun. I have signifiant range anxiety however and since I drive for work so much, I just couldn't get past that mental hurdle. It would be a fun second car though.
Posted by: IC at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (oX3MH)
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I am keeping my 2012 LR. I can fit so much in that little SUV and I like no car payment.
Posted by: Piper at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (ZdaMQ)
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Aside from the technical problems - which are huge and often manifest in surprising ways - autonomous vehicles pose a serious ethical problem because the AI must be empowered to kill. Indeed, the that the AI must be able to kill is *mandatory.*
Take a classic example: the car is going down a residential connector at 35 miles per hour. A child runs into the street after a ball. The car cannot stop in time. Now a choice must be made: run over the child or attempt to veer away from him and plant the car into a telephone pole, causing severe injury or death to the driver.
When a human makes that choice, he has agency. When a computer makes that choice, how is it determined? In a condition where the death of a person is highly likely and only the choice determines who it's going to be, what morality is in play when a machine makes that choice?
Gives me the willies.
Take a classic example: the car is going down a residential connector at 35 miles per hour. A child runs into the street after a ball. The car cannot stop in time. Now a choice must be made: run over the child or attempt to veer away from him and plant the car into a telephone pole, causing severe injury or death to the driver.
When a human makes that choice, he has agency. When a computer makes that choice, how is it determined? In a condition where the death of a person is highly likely and only the choice determines who it's going to be, what morality is in play when a machine makes that choice?
Gives me the willies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
80
I remember when Segways were going to be revolutionary.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM
I remember when the internet was just a passing fad.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM
I remember when the internet was just a passing fad.
Posted by: Paul Krugman at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (uNylN)
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I remember when Segways were going to be revolutionary.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
But then their sales fell off a cliff.
*Tap tap tap. Hello? Is this thing on?*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
But then their sales fell off a cliff.
*Tap tap tap. Hello? Is this thing on?*
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (qoGsy)
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"As for EVs, right now they are primarily a status symbol for the affluent,..."
Someone quipped quite some time ago: ev drivers don't need bumper stickers, you know exactly what they're all about!
Someone quipped quite some time ago: ev drivers don't need bumper stickers, you know exactly what they're all about!
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (Rbu5d)
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We're already nearing the cutoff point where it'll be hugely expensive to start building ICE cars again.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)
Why?....Govt. decree?...regulation?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)
Why?....Govt. decree?...regulation?
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (AwYPR)
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Peculiar that the same elites whose sole desire is to control the behavior of the masses with manipulation of major policies seem to be surprised at every turn at basic human nature.
"They aren't doing it right!" is their constant refrain, rather than a recognition that they don't really understand what makes people tick.
"They aren't doing it right!" is their constant refrain, rather than a recognition that they don't really understand what makes people tick.
Posted by: red speck at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (gS3OW)
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By the way...the war on fossil fuels is pricing tires and anything else dependent on natural gas as a feedstock out of the planet.
Many are 25% more than a year ago.
Many are 25% more than a year ago.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (8erNz)
86
My family fleet consists of...
A pickup truck.
A preposterous Jeep Wrangler.
A Honda Pilot.
I will never buy an EV, ever.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (hj2D/)
I'll do you one better - I don't intend to buy a vehicle manufactured after 2005, ever. We've got a 2003 Ford F-150, a 2005 Mustang, a 2003 Durango and a Crown Vic (forget which year). Plus 3 tractors and one other truck for hauling.
They used to have an underground tank for diesel in the old days. Wish that was still viable.
A pickup truck.
A preposterous Jeep Wrangler.
A Honda Pilot.
I will never buy an EV, ever.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2022 11:13 AM (hj2D/)
I'll do you one better - I don't intend to buy a vehicle manufactured after 2005, ever. We've got a 2003 Ford F-150, a 2005 Mustang, a 2003 Durango and a Crown Vic (forget which year). Plus 3 tractors and one other truck for hauling.
They used to have an underground tank for diesel in the old days. Wish that was still viable.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (Mzdiz)
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*Tap tap tap. Hello? Is this thing on?*
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (qoGsy)
Tough crowd.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (qoGsy)
Tough crowd.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (PiwSw)
88
69
I remember when Segways were going to be revolutionary.
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Pedistrians were not amused.
I remember when Segways were going to be revolutionary.
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Pedistrians were not amused.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (4vi12)
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It would take billions of dollars for Ford to put self-driving robotaxis on the streets, Lawler said, yet it wasn't clear when that would happen “in a way that would allow us to have a profitable return on that investment.”
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"Biden Signs Executive Order Granting $1 Trillion to Automobile Manufacturers -- in Conjunction with the San Francisco Police Department -- to Develop Self-Driving Robotaxis Pre-Armed with Guns, Able to Shoot to Kill."
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"Biden Signs Executive Order Granting $1 Trillion to Automobile Manufacturers -- in Conjunction with the San Francisco Police Department -- to Develop Self-Driving Robotaxis Pre-Armed with Guns, Able to Shoot to Kill."
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (PnkSq)
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What Christmas songs give you the “longing for home at Christmastime” feeling, or bring back memories of those feelings from a previous chapter in your life?
Run Run Rudolph - Chuck Berry
https://youtu.be/YiadNVhaGwk
Little Saint Nick - The Beach Boys
https://youtu.be/xp9rK8FmYog
Run Run Rudolph - Chuck Berry
https://youtu.be/YiadNVhaGwk
Little Saint Nick - The Beach Boys
https://youtu.be/xp9rK8FmYog
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (4I/2K)
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Someone quipped quite some time ago: ev drivers don't need bumper stickers, you know exactly what they're all about!
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM
that's brilliant
Someone quipped quite some time ago: ev drivers don't need bumper stickers, you know exactly what they're all about!
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM
that's brilliant
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (ENBF0)
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62 Steam power was good enough for my Grandfather and it's good enough for me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk
Steam Assisted Co-Cycle Internal Combustion Engine
https://tinyurl.com/2yb58678
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2022 11:07 AM (yQpMk
Steam Assisted Co-Cycle Internal Combustion Engine
https://tinyurl.com/2yb58678
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (Y5qcH)
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There was the school in Nebraska or Iowa that bought all electric school buses and they had to sell the buses because when the first cold snap hit all the buses lost their battery power and they couldn't make the rounds to all the kids and the manufacturer said well you got to store them inside A heated building and it wasn't cost-effective so they bought diesels
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (dKiJG)
94
If everyone stops making IC cars by 2030, 2029 will be the best year in car sales in the history of cars.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (pMKpk)
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"Unless we manage to reduce energy prices in Germany and Europe quickly and reliably," Thomas Schäfer wrote in a Monday LinkedIn post, "investments in energy-intensive production or new battery cell factories in Germany and the EU will be practically unviable."
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Volkswagen will not only not be building batteries in Germany, they won't be building EVs. And, not only will they not be building EVs in Germany, they won't be building any cars. Germany is finished as a manufacturer.
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Volkswagen will not only not be building batteries in Germany, they won't be building EVs. And, not only will they not be building EVs in Germany, they won't be building any cars. Germany is finished as a manufacturer.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (lTGtQ)
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Didja see this?
David Burke@ConservativeTht
In spite of a student poll & superintendent recommendation, the Detroit School Board voted to change the name of Benjamin Carson High School of Science & Medicine. Dr Carson, who grew up in poverty, should be an inspiration to us all. Shame on @Detroitk12.
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George Floyd is the role model for black yutes, not Ben Carson. It's not brain surgery!
David Burke@ConservativeTht
In spite of a student poll & superintendent recommendation, the Detroit School Board voted to change the name of Benjamin Carson High School of Science & Medicine. Dr Carson, who grew up in poverty, should be an inspiration to us all. Shame on @Detroitk12.
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George Floyd is the role model for black yutes, not Ben Carson. It's not brain surgery!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (FVME7)
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For $125k you can get the performance of the fastest ICE cars on the planet. That is impressive!
And just admit it and we can all smile and say, "Cool!"
But try to force me, and I will fight you every step of the way, and remain with ICE even after EVs become a reasonable alternative (in 75 years...maybe).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (XIJ/X)
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Yup. I'm not anti-EV as such. I am entirely opposed to every EV policy I have ever come accross. EVs make sense in certain contexts - like the neighborhood runabout or commuter car or performance cars - if people want them. But that's the key. If the customer actually wants it.
But don't try to force me, or it will make me hate your product and you and your entire family line.
And just admit it and we can all smile and say, "Cool!"
But try to force me, and I will fight you every step of the way, and remain with ICE even after EVs become a reasonable alternative (in 75 years...maybe).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (XIJ/X)
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Yup. I'm not anti-EV as such. I am entirely opposed to every EV policy I have ever come accross. EVs make sense in certain contexts - like the neighborhood runabout or commuter car or performance cars - if people want them. But that's the key. If the customer actually wants it.
But don't try to force me, or it will make me hate your product and you and your entire family line.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
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A GM co-venture Li battery plant in Ohio just voted to join the UAW union. Another similar battery plant in MI is also likely to join a union.
Musk's Tesla plant in Shanghai is planning to shut down production for most of the rest of December. It's Tesla's biggest car production plant.
It doesn't seem that EVs are doing so well in the marketplace right now. Probably a good thing.
Musk's Tesla plant in Shanghai is planning to shut down production for most of the rest of December. It's Tesla's biggest car production plant.
It doesn't seem that EVs are doing so well in the marketplace right now. Probably a good thing.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (JOtiF)
99
The wrong people are using the internet.
Posted by: Bloomberg headline at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (63Dwl)
100
An EV is only a decarbonizer to the extent that ...
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You know who else was a decarbonizer?
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You know who else was a decarbonizer?
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (PnkSq)
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A French inventor by the last name of Cugnot actually invented a steam-powered automobile in 1770.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (zFo/b)
102
"Biden Signs Executive Order Granting $1 Trillion to Automobile Manufacturers -- in Conjunction with the San Francisco Police Department -- to Develop Self-Driving Robotaxis Pre-Armed with Guns, Able to Shoot to Kill."
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (PnkSq)
I have to admit, that would be pretty sweet.
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM (PnkSq)
I have to admit, that would be pretty sweet.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (b8cUM)
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John (late, first) Husband's first set of degrees were in logistics and transportation planning 25 years ago. It was fascinating to listen as all those civil engineers with the Murphy's Law posters in their offices talked about autonomous vehicles and suddenly forget St. Murphy existed.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (nC+QA)
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There's also a movement to push electric machinery into the farm sector. So, not only will you not be able to drive to the store to shop, there will be nothing to shop for as there's no food production going on.
I get some people believe in this shit. They're stupid. But for the agricultural sector to buy into this madness...?
I forget which company it was, but IIRC an electric tractor of some sort burned to the ground at a trade show recently.
I get some people believe in this shit. They're stupid. But for the agricultural sector to buy into this madness...?
I forget which company it was, but IIRC an electric tractor of some sort burned to the ground at a trade show recently.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (Q4IgG)
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And as is always the case:
What are your other real cars?
A '11 Merc GL550 (bought used, love it, but know every bit about working on Merc air suspension), an '02 Silverado 2500 diesel, an '11 Savana van that's supposed to turn into a camper, and an '00 BMW M5.
I love my hydrocarbons. No eco. Tesla is fun.
What are your other real cars?
A '11 Merc GL550 (bought used, love it, but know every bit about working on Merc air suspension), an '02 Silverado 2500 diesel, an '11 Savana van that's supposed to turn into a camper, and an '00 BMW M5.
I love my hydrocarbons. No eco. Tesla is fun.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (8erNz)
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>>It really IS fun, and it really HAS been real-world useful (she drives it to San Diego 3x/year two 20-30min stops, daughter busted her 100mph cherry in it) and it's been more reliable to 50K miles than anything else we ever bought.
I don't have a problem with electric vehicles. I have a problem with government trying to force me to buy one.
In the right circumstances, like yours, they are fine. They don't work for mine.
I don't have a problem with electric vehicles. I have a problem with government trying to force me to buy one.
In the right circumstances, like yours, they are fine. They don't work for mine.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2022 11:20 AM (ZLI7S)
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99 The wrong people are using the internet.
Posted by: Bloomberg headline at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (63Dwl)
The wrong people are using oxygen.
Posted by: Bloomberg headline at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (63Dwl)
The wrong people are using oxygen.
Posted by: The WEF at December 09, 2022 11:20 AM (PiwSw)
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There is a local Tesla sales-and-service dealership on my drive home in the evening. I do see the cars around here -- about like seeing a Mercedes in your neighborhood in the mid-Sixties: rare and unusual, with a bit of a "Wow!" factor. I'll admit they are well-styled, and a little over 3 seconds 0-60 is incredibly impressive.
Still, 60-80K? I don't think a *house* should cost that much. And I buy used (my well-optioned '16 Buick was $22K, $45K new), so that the first owner takes the depreciation hit. I don't foresee a red-hot market in used Teslas unless the battery has a long life ahead of it.
Still, 60-80K? I don't think a *house* should cost that much. And I buy used (my well-optioned '16 Buick was $22K, $45K new), so that the first owner takes the depreciation hit. I don't foresee a red-hot market in used Teslas unless the battery has a long life ahead of it.
Posted by: Mr. Stanley of Steam Propulsion Fame at December 09, 2022 11:20 AM (J2vNu)
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94 If everyone stops making IC cars by 2030, 2029 will be the best year in car sales in the history of cars.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (pMKpk)
There's 0 chance we have the infrastructure to support electric cars in that fashion in 2030, so it amounts to ceding market share.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (pMKpk)
There's 0 chance we have the infrastructure to support electric cars in that fashion in 2030, so it amounts to ceding market share.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:20 AM (eYoxG)
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We have a Tesla. Model 3 Performance.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (8erNz)
That seems to work well for you.
And I have not noticed any proselytizing on your part, which is much appreciated. And as long as I don't have to pay for your automobile choices, I honestly don't care what you do with your money.
But I DO have to pay for it...in charging stations and lost taxes and subsidies and all sorts of stuff that government has decreed I pay for.
That is the issue.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (8erNz)
That seems to work well for you.
And I have not noticed any proselytizing on your part, which is much appreciated. And as long as I don't have to pay for your automobile choices, I honestly don't care what you do with your money.
But I DO have to pay for it...in charging stations and lost taxes and subsidies and all sorts of stuff that government has decreed I pay for.
That is the issue.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:20 AM (XIJ/X)
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@86
>>I'll do you one better
This is a good plan, any vehicle after about 2010 - 2012, has too much tech built into that is not going to be available in 20 years from any source.
>>I'll do you one better
This is a good plan, any vehicle after about 2010 - 2012, has too much tech built into that is not going to be available in 20 years from any source.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (hj2D/)
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FTC Moves To Block Microsoft’s $69 Billion Purchase Of Activision
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This is all about Call of Duty. If Microsoft acquires Activision, they acquire Call of Duty. Microsoft has promised to not make Call of Duty an Xbox exclusive but even so PlayStation is afraid that Xbox would put Call of Duty on GamePass so gamers could play for free up until they can't then most would buy from Xbox to continue. Meanwhile Sony/PlayStation isn't opposed to specific counsole exclusivity, they have a number of PlayStation exclusives, Uncharted and the Horizon games are two PS hits, but neither is a Call of Duty level bestseller.
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This is all about Call of Duty. If Microsoft acquires Activision, they acquire Call of Duty. Microsoft has promised to not make Call of Duty an Xbox exclusive but even so PlayStation is afraid that Xbox would put Call of Duty on GamePass so gamers could play for free up until they can't then most would buy from Xbox to continue. Meanwhile Sony/PlayStation isn't opposed to specific counsole exclusivity, they have a number of PlayStation exclusives, Uncharted and the Horizon games are two PS hits, but neither is a Call of Duty level bestseller.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (FVME7)
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it was about status, performance (electric sports cars are quick as hell and fun to drive) or both.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
Electric sports cars can only do a handful of laps on a road course. They are not very viable for race cars yet.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
Electric sports cars can only do a handful of laps on a road course. They are not very viable for race cars yet.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (Y5qcH)
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For those eager to end the IC engine, Hydrogen Cell powered vehicles are more viable, IMO. Also cleaner to make and power. Slavery isn't involved either. Of course, it's old tech and therefore lacks the sizzle of EV, so it might be forced to succeed strictly on its economic merits (that's sarcastic).
Posted by: Huck Follywood
Yeah, as soon as someone can figure out how to contain it. Shit leaks through everything.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
Yeah, as soon as someone can figure out how to contain it. Shit leaks through everything.
Posted by: MkY at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (RXYwk)
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I remember when Segways were going to be revolutionary.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM
Dippin' Dots - The ice cream of the future!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2022 11:15 AM
Dippin' Dots - The ice cream of the future!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (4I/2K)
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We wouldn't be in this situation if not for Lincoln's blood-soaked destruction of the Republic. Federal government wouldn't be strong enough to strong arm EVs into the market and shove this shit down our throats.
Posted by: Let's see how many Lincoln connections we can make today at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (f9n7F)
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China - the biggest market and driver of this stupid Global Warming scheme (and likely co-piloting with the WEF) - are driving demand. We are not the market for American manufacturers any longer. We will be allowed to buy what's offered, but we don't have any say in the products.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly
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China won't even exist as a relevant society in ten years. Their population is collapsing.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly
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China won't even exist as a relevant society in ten years. Their population is collapsing.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)
118
Toys, not tools
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (XvPQV)
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JEM - I test drove a Tesla and it was a lot of fun. I have signifiant range anxiety however and since I drive for work so much, I just couldn't get past that mental hurdle. It would be a fun second car though.
100%. I've seriously considered one as a second car for commuting, especially since we have free charging at work. Which would make me one of those problematic people in that article, LOL.
100%. I've seriously considered one as a second car for commuting, especially since we have free charging at work. Which would make me one of those problematic people in that article, LOL.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)
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so...we're past 100 comments and our alltime fave EV booster is not here to ICE-shame us.
What happened? Is he asleep at the EV wheel?
What happened? Is he asleep at the EV wheel?
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (XA0MX)
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30 When will Dippin' Dots be the ice cream of today?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (DhOHl)
Tomorrow. It's only a day away.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 09, 2022 11:08 AM (DhOHl)
Tomorrow. It's only a day away.
Posted by: Fox2! at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (qyH+l)
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By the way...the war on fossil fuels is pricing tires and anything else dependent on natural gas as a feedstock out of the planet.
Many are 25% more than a year ago.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM
Had to put tires on the wife's CR-V, $900 for 4 goodyear tires at Sams with an 85,000 mile warranty. That over $300 more than the last time we got tires. Went to other places but they could not come close to Sams price. One place said they would have to charge $1,200 for the same tires. Tire prices are out of control.
Many are 25% more than a year ago.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:17 AM
Had to put tires on the wife's CR-V, $900 for 4 goodyear tires at Sams with an 85,000 mile warranty. That over $300 more than the last time we got tires. Went to other places but they could not come close to Sams price. One place said they would have to charge $1,200 for the same tires. Tire prices are out of control.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (uNylN)
123
As long as Ford discontinues the Lincoln line I will be happy.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (4vi12)
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Musk's Tesla plant in Shanghai is planning to shut down production for most of the rest of December. It's Tesla's biggest car production plant.
I expect that's China Covid imprisonment crap.
They also have to deal with how much it costs to run the Berlin/Brandenburg plant under German energyfailure. Supposedly it's got craploads of solar, but that doesn't help if your suppliers can't make door seals and bumper covers.
I expect that's China Covid imprisonment crap.
They also have to deal with how much it costs to run the Berlin/Brandenburg plant under German energyfailure. Supposedly it's got craploads of solar, but that doesn't help if your suppliers can't make door seals and bumper covers.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (8erNz)
125
Electric sports cars can only do a handful of laps on a road course. They are not very viable for race cars yet.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (Y5qcH)
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And most people don't particularly want a race car, or do track days as their hobby. Most people who buy a sports car are buying just that: a regular car that's quick and fast and handles well.
If I were in that kind of luxury goods market, I could see adding a little electric roadster to my garage just because of the fun I could have. Something like an EV version of a Fiat 124 would probably be loads of fun. Minus all of the Italian electrical quality, of course.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (Y5qcH)
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And most people don't particularly want a race car, or do track days as their hobby. Most people who buy a sports car are buying just that: a regular car that's quick and fast and handles well.
If I were in that kind of luxury goods market, I could see adding a little electric roadster to my garage just because of the fun I could have. Something like an EV version of a Fiat 124 would probably be loads of fun. Minus all of the Italian electrical quality, of course.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (t0OGg)
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As long as Ford discontinues the Lincoln line I will be happy.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (4vi12)
I thought they sold it?
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (4vi12)
I thought they sold it?
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (VA2ov)
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and an '00 BMW M5.
I love my hydrocarbons. No eco. Tesla is fun.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (8erNz)
That's the best M5. Hold on to that one.
I love my hydrocarbons. No eco. Tesla is fun.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (8erNz)
That's the best M5. Hold on to that one.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (Y5qcH)
128
Not trusting Microsoft is a wise course of action. I have serious doubts about the future of all the game companies they've bought up in the last few years.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (UewuT)
129
Christmas time's a-coming, and I'm at my country home!
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (Mzdiz)
130
Or how to actually keep what they kill; as anyone who's lived outside a major city can attest to, there are large swaths of land that operate on their own schedule.
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They have already stated that electricity will be cut to those areas. WEF representative letter to Forbes:
Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better
(there's that 2030 number again. Weird)
"...Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages."
https://tinyurl.com/2nnmcesc
It's real and already happening. Read their press articles. They're thick as thieves with the unelected government to implement it:
https://wildlandsnetwork.org
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They have already stated that electricity will be cut to those areas. WEF representative letter to Forbes:
Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better
(there's that 2030 number again. Weird)
"...Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages."
https://tinyurl.com/2nnmcesc
It's real and already happening. Read their press articles. They're thick as thieves with the unelected government to implement it:
https://wildlandsnetwork.org
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (spZJg)
Posted by: kallisto, leading the Horde in a chant at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (XA0MX)
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (4I/2K)
133
In despair I closed up the garage, got in my car, turned the engine on, and waited for the end. I broke down sobbing when I remembered I drive a Tesla.
Posted by: It's always darkest before it goes pitch black at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (f9n7F)
134
California has a state decarbonization goal in 2045 and they are pushing electrification and using blue and green hydrogen for fuel extensively. Personally I think it's madness. I plan to be long gone from this state by then.
Posted by: IC at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (oX3MH)
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Tire prices are out of control.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
Au contraire, monsieur. They are in the control of people who hate us.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
Au contraire, monsieur. They are in the control of people who hate us.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (8erNz)
136
I picture a now-banned poster in the fetal position muttering "but electric cars are great; they hardly ever catch fire; internal combustion engines catch fire all the time"
Posted by: Chuck C at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (xttsV)
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What happened? Is he asleep at the EV wheel?
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (XA0MX)
I banned him awhile ago.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (XA0MX)
I banned him awhile ago.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (XIJ/X)
138
A great deal of venture capital and hedge fund money evaporated in investments in these companies.
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To quote Ace from yesterday's post on Vanguard Quitting the Climate-Focused "Net Zero" ESG Group:
"Maybe another example of my truism that you can't afford Trumpian Indulgences in a Biden Austerity Economy?"
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To quote Ace from yesterday's post on Vanguard Quitting the Climate-Focused "Net Zero" ESG Group:
"Maybe another example of my truism that you can't afford Trumpian Indulgences in a Biden Austerity Economy?"
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (PnkSq)
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I love "Feliz Navidad" by Jose Feliciano and play it in my car all year long.
Fleas on the dog,
Fleas on the dog,
Prospero anjo fleasy dog
Fleas on the dog,
Fleas on the dog,
Prospero anjo fleasy dog
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (IV8Hw)
140
China won't even exist as a relevant society in ten years. Their population is collapsing.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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I think that's sort of the plan. (looks around the U.S.)
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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I think that's sort of the plan. (looks around the U.S.)
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (spZJg)
141
Run Run Rudolph - Chuck Berry
https://youtu.be/YiadNVhaGwk
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022
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Chuck Berry was a master, wasn't he? Yes, his songs are all very similar. But they are all very catchy. And in his lyrics he could spin imagery like few others. "And away went Rudolph, zoomin' like a Sabre jet!"
His "Nadine" has several neat phrases: "I was campaign shoutin' like a Southern diplomat" and "Movin' through the traffic like a mounted Cavalier."
Run Run Rudolph - Chuck Berry
https://youtu.be/YiadNVhaGwk
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022
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Chuck Berry was a master, wasn't he? Yes, his songs are all very similar. But they are all very catchy. And in his lyrics he could spin imagery like few others. "And away went Rudolph, zoomin' like a Sabre jet!"
His "Nadine" has several neat phrases: "I was campaign shoutin' like a Southern diplomat" and "Movin' through the traffic like a mounted Cavalier."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (J2vNu)
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In 10 years we will have some decent electric vehicles. In 20 years we will have fusion power.
I'll say it again in 10 years.
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (+hI+T)
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>>In despair I closed up the garage, got in my car, turned the engine on, and waited for the end. I broke down sobbing when I remembered I drive a Tesla.
Not to worry. Give it a little time and the battery will go into thermal runaway and burn you alive.
Not to worry. Give it a little time and the battery will go into thermal runaway and burn you alive.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (ZLI7S)
144
The wrong people are having sex. Stop it!
Stop it right now!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (4I/2K)
Having sex should require a license.
Stop it right now!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (4I/2K)
Having sex should require a license.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (VA2ov)
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To quote Ace from yesterday's post on Vanguard Quitting the Climate-Focused "Net Zero" ESG Group:
"Maybe another example of my truism that you can't afford Trumpian Indulgences in a Biden Austerity Economy?"
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (PnkSq)
"Net Zero" refers to their ROI.
"Maybe another example of my truism that you can't afford Trumpian Indulgences in a Biden Austerity Economy?"
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (PnkSq)
"Net Zero" refers to their ROI.
Posted by: Truth in advertising at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (f9n7F)
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I love "Feliz Navidad" by Jose Feliciano and play it in my car all year long.
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Fleas on the dog,
Fleas on the dog,
Prospero anjo fleasy dog
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022
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"Police stopped my car,
Police stopped my car . . ."
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Fleas on the dog,
Fleas on the dog,
Prospero anjo fleasy dog
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022
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"Police stopped my car,
Police stopped my car . . ."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (J2vNu)
147
That's the best M5. Hold on to that one.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (Y5qcH)
Which engine is it? I have an X3 that absolutely sucks to repair, but damn...the little fucker can move.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (Y5qcH)
Which engine is it? I have an X3 that absolutely sucks to repair, but damn...the little fucker can move.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (XIJ/X)
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If I were in that kind of luxury goods market, I could see adding a little electric roadster to my garage just because of the fun I could have. Something like an EV version of a Fiat 124 would probably be loads of fun. Minus all of the Italian electrical quality, of course.
An EV Lotus would be major fun. As long as it didn't come with UK-made electrical.
An EV Lotus would be major fun. As long as it didn't come with UK-made electrical.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (ZGrMX)
149
great rant. Most of what is advertised as "save the planet from Global Warming" is a combination of grift for the politicians and 'tulip mania'
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (3cGpq)
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kallisto if you're referring to the nic that was a play on the Vile Vegetable-in-Chief's name, he was banned a few weeks ago and I guess decided to not come back.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (OTzUX)
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Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (flINI)
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126 As long as Ford discontinues the Lincoln line I will be happy.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (4vi12)
I thought they sold it?
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Don't tell that to Matthew McConaughey.
Matthew McConaughey has had a successful acting career for decades, but he's done more than just movies. McConaughey has been the face of the Lincoln car brand for several years now. The actor both appears in and narrates the car commercials, and he's actually helped Lincoln's car sales increase.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (4vi12)
I thought they sold it?
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Don't tell that to Matthew McConaughey.
Matthew McConaughey has had a successful acting career for decades, but he's done more than just movies. McConaughey has been the face of the Lincoln car brand for several years now. The actor both appears in and narrates the car commercials, and he's actually helped Lincoln's car sales increase.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (4vi12)
153
Had to put tires on the wife's CR-V, $900 for 4 goodyear tires at Sams with an 85,000 mile warranty. That over $300 more than the last time we got tires. Went to other places but they could not come close to Sams price. One place said they would have to charge $1,200 for the same tires. Tire prices are out of control.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (uNylN)
Acura just quoted me $1300+ for tires for the wife's RDX.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:22 AM (uNylN)
Acura just quoted me $1300+ for tires for the wife's RDX.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (VwHCD)
154
In 10 years we will have some decent electric vehicles. In 20 years we will have fusion power.
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (+hI+T)
And Dippin' Dots? When will we have "The Ice Cream of the Future"?
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (+hI+T)
And Dippin' Dots? When will we have "The Ice Cream of the Future"?
Posted by: Wally at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (FJYfm)
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142 In 10 years we will have some decent electric vehicles. In 20 years we will have fusion power.
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (+hI+T)
C'mon, you've been running that con for decades!
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (+hI+T)
C'mon, you've been running that con for decades!
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: IRS Dept. of Garnishment at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (q3iUt)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (XIJ/X)
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Quite the MO.
Ian Miles Cheong@stillgray
Biden energy official Sam Brinton has a felony arrest warrant for yet another theft of luggage at an airport, this time in Las Vegas.
8 News Now@8NewsNow
BREAKING: An energy department official is accused of stealing luggage from Harry Reid International Airport, the 8 News Now Investigators learned Thursday. #8NN
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How appropriate to steal from Harry Reid International Airport. I think Michael Jackson said it best, Smooth Criminal.
Ian Miles Cheong@stillgray
Biden energy official Sam Brinton has a felony arrest warrant for yet another theft of luggage at an airport, this time in Las Vegas.
8 News Now@8NewsNow
BREAKING: An energy department official is accused of stealing luggage from Harry Reid International Airport, the 8 News Now Investigators learned Thursday. #8NN
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How appropriate to steal from Harry Reid International Airport. I think Michael Jackson said it best, Smooth Criminal.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (FVME7)
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That's the best M5. Hold on to that one.
I really enjoy that BMW's styling is so awful now that people are crying for Chris Bangle to come back.
I really enjoy that BMW's styling is so awful now that people are crying for Chris Bangle to come back.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (ZGrMX)
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Yeah, as soon as someone can figure out how to contain it. Shit leaks through everything.
Posted by: MkY at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (RXYwk)
Transportation issues also, they have to convert hydrogen to blue ammonia to transport it safely. Not cost effective at all.
Posted by: MkY at December 09, 2022 11:21 AM (RXYwk)
Transportation issues also, they have to convert hydrogen to blue ammonia to transport it safely. Not cost effective at all.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (OgrpQ)
161
"I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day" by Casting Crowns.
Posted by: Esteve at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (2IA0F)
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A French inventor by the last name of Cugnot actually invented a steam-powered automobile in 1770.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM
The first electric car came out in 1832. By 1900 they were being driven all over NYC in the hundreds.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM
The first electric car came out in 1832. By 1900 they were being driven all over NYC in the hundreds.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:27 AM (uNylN)
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Having sex should require a license.
Posted by: Robert
And a written and practical test.
Oh Jeeze. And you think the DMV is hell on earth now.
Posted by: Robert
And a written and practical test.
Oh Jeeze. And you think the DMV is hell on earth now.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (qoGsy)
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And as is always the case:
What are your other real cars?
A '11 Merc GL550 (bought used, love it, but know every bit about working on Merc air suspension), an '02 Silverado 2500 diesel, an '11 Savana van that's supposed to turn into a camper, and an '00 BMW M5.
I love my hydrocarbons. No eco. Tesla is fun.
Posted by: JEM
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This is fairly common, because EVs are essentially taking the place of Corvettes for a small percentage of well-off people who can afford another toy.
There are very, very few households using only EVs. I'm guessing they're very annoying households, too.
What are your other real cars?
A '11 Merc GL550 (bought used, love it, but know every bit about working on Merc air suspension), an '02 Silverado 2500 diesel, an '11 Savana van that's supposed to turn into a camper, and an '00 BMW M5.
I love my hydrocarbons. No eco. Tesla is fun.
Posted by: JEM
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This is fairly common, because EVs are essentially taking the place of Corvettes for a small percentage of well-off people who can afford another toy.
There are very, very few households using only EVs. I'm guessing they're very annoying households, too.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (spZJg)
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I confess I bought a Prius in 2005. My kids drove the car for 12 years before I reluctantly sold it. Tremendous car, very reliable, lots of interior space. Fun too, if you like to suit your city driving to maximize mileage.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (sLQz6)
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I like petroleum. It smells like industry, power, progress.
It smells like- victory.
also how do EVs cut emissions? seems they are just transferring any emission from the tailpipe to the coal-fired power plant
It smells like- victory.
also how do EVs cut emissions? seems they are just transferring any emission from the tailpipe to the coal-fired power plant
Posted by: DB at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (geLO8)
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I read an article the other day that explained how there are not any projects in the US to upgrade the electrical grid to anything close to what would be needed for even 10% EV transportation. Not even at the proposal stage.
And these would be complicated projects that take a long time with imminent domain and right of way issues that should have been started a decade ago.
And these would be complicated projects that take a long time with imminent domain and right of way issues that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
168
In 10 years we will have some decent electric vehicles. In 20 years we will have fusion power.
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And what of transporter beams?
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And what of transporter beams?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (FVME7)
169
When they went to IC cars, they did not outlaw horses.
And when the Commies took power in Cuba, folks drove what they had and continued to keep it on the road. It's a bit harder with computerized cars, but there are places that rebuilt the computer panels
And when the Commies took power in Cuba, folks drove what they had and continued to keep it on the road. It's a bit harder with computerized cars, but there are places that rebuilt the computer panels
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (uz3Px)
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I discovered the hard way that owning two cars for myself was a bad idea. I had my BMW which I used for road trips and as a dog taxi but I was leasing an Acura RDX for almost all my normal commute traffic. The BMW wasn't getting driven enough and it deteriorated.
This is a shame as I kinda want a diesel pickup for carting and hauling. But it would suffer the same fate as my Beemer eventually.
Rabble.
This is a shame as I kinda want a diesel pickup for carting and hauling. But it would suffer the same fate as my Beemer eventually.
Rabble.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (XvPQV)
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Chuck Berry was a master, wasn't he? Yes, his songs are all very similar. But they are all very catchy. And in his lyrics he could spin imagery like few others. "And away went Rudolph, zoomin' like a Sabre jet!"
His "Nadine" has several neat phrases: "I was campaign shoutin' like a Southern diplomat" and "Movin' through the traffic like a mounted Cavalier."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (J2vNu)
Master of the double-stop.
His "Nadine" has several neat phrases: "I was campaign shoutin' like a Southern diplomat" and "Movin' through the traffic like a mounted Cavalier."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (J2vNu)
Master of the double-stop.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (AwYPR)
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In despair I closed up the garage, got in my car, turned the engine on, and waited for the end. I broke down sobbing when I remembered I drive a Tesla.
Posted by: It's always darkest before it goes pitch black
Did that in the kitchen with the oven. Realized it was electric about the time I burned the shit outta myself.
Posted by: It's always darkest before it goes pitch black
Did that in the kitchen with the oven. Realized it was electric about the time I burned the shit outta myself.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (IV8Hw)
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167 I read an article the other day that explained how there are not any projects in the US to upgrade the electrical grid to anything close to what would be needed for even 10% EV transportation. Not even at the proposal stage.
And these would be complicated projects that take a long time with imminent domain and right of way issues that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
So we'll be largely driving ICE cars or not driving cars at all.
And these would be complicated projects that take a long time with imminent domain and right of way issues that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
So we'll be largely driving ICE cars or not driving cars at all.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (eYoxG)
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George Floyd is the role model for black yutes, not Ben Carson. It's not brain surgery!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (FVME7)
Well, you have to admit that in the current times, they're more apt to end up like George Floyd than Dr. Carson. Why not aspire to a goal that you can achieve?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (FVME7)
Well, you have to admit that in the current times, they're more apt to end up like George Floyd than Dr. Carson. Why not aspire to a goal that you can achieve?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (Mzdiz)
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A French inventor by the last name of Cugnot actually invented a steam-powered automobile in 1770.
Steam powered cars really appeal to me in a steampunk kind of way, but they're a real hassle to operate. Jay Leno's gotten burned by his twice now.
Steam powered cars really appeal to me in a steampunk kind of way, but they're a real hassle to operate. Jay Leno's gotten burned by his twice now.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (ZGrMX)
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163 Having sex should require a license.
Posted by: Robert
And a written and practical test.
Oh Jeeze. And you think the DMV is hell on earth now.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (qoGsy)
I would have appreciated some classroom or lab training.
Posted by: Robert
And a written and practical test.
Oh Jeeze. And you think the DMV is hell on earth now.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (qoGsy)
I would have appreciated some classroom or lab training.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (XvPQV)
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Someone quipped quite some time ago: ev drivers don't need bumper stickers, you know exactly what they're all about!
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi
When the hybrid thing started up about 20 years ago, CA made them legal for the carpool lanes as long as you bought the big stickers for the back and side of the car. The hippies who bought the Prius smugmobiles screamed like banshees for a couple of years.
Later on, CA started talking about eliminating the stickers... and the hippies screamed like banshees because the stickers were vital signals to the world that it was important to change the ICE car culture to hybrids and EVs.
Someone quipped quite some time ago: ev drivers don't need bumper stickers, you know exactly what they're all about!
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi
When the hybrid thing started up about 20 years ago, CA made them legal for the carpool lanes as long as you bought the big stickers for the back and side of the car. The hippies who bought the Prius smugmobiles screamed like banshees for a couple of years.
Later on, CA started talking about eliminating the stickers... and the hippies screamed like banshees because the stickers were vital signals to the world that it was important to change the ICE car culture to hybrids and EVs.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (KYKwc)
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Hunt and kill vampires for years and I get no recognition. Suspend habeas corpus and impose martial law on Baltimore and take a few other extra-Constitutional measures to preserve the Union and I get eternally pilloried in AoSHQ comments.
Posted by: Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (4I/2K)
179
I guess I should look into giving Vanguard money to play with again; I stopped with that when they started being retarded. Vanguard in particular really has no business drinking the ESG kool aid because they're supposed to operate very much like an index fund. That was the whole point of their existence, and what made them appealing to a certain type of investor compared to other options like Fidelity.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (UewuT)
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Had to put tires on the wife's CR-V, $900 for 4 goodyear tires at Sams with an 85,000 mile warranty. That over $300 more than the last time we got tires. Went to other places but they could not come close to Sams price. One place said they would have to charge $1,200 for the same tires. Tire prices are out of control.
Posted by: Mister Scott
A cool grand at Discount Tire in Sherman for four for the Avenger.
Posted by: Mister Scott
A cool grand at Discount Tire in Sherman for four for the Avenger.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (IV8Hw)
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So we'll be largely driving ICE cars or not driving cars at all.
You already know which one of those options Klaus is aiming us at.
You already know which one of those options Klaus is aiming us at.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (ZGrMX)
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I'm going to catch flack for this but the best compromise, tech wise, was GM's Voltec platform. Both Gen1 and 2 were great cars. It needed to be placed in a small SUV platform...but it was abandoned when call for ALL EV's was made.
Now, here we are. We have a super sweet HUMMER EV that weighs 10,000lb's, can go 250 miles (as long as you're not towing anything) and will probably fail due to battery issues which will result in a few recalls. It's early rich people adopter stuff (and I get that) but what a waste of resources. The Ultimo battery is pretty cutting edge but this ALL OR NOTHING EV push is cart before the horse stuff.
It's illogical at this point.
Now, here we are. We have a super sweet HUMMER EV that weighs 10,000lb's, can go 250 miles (as long as you're not towing anything) and will probably fail due to battery issues which will result in a few recalls. It's early rich people adopter stuff (and I get that) but what a waste of resources. The Ultimo battery is pretty cutting edge but this ALL OR NOTHING EV push is cart before the horse stuff.
It's illogical at this point.
Posted by: GigantorX at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (vPu9I)
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I think everyone should be able to buy electric dog-polishers, or fur sinks, or whatever they please. It's not even the end of the world if some accommodation is made to new types of This or That in public infrastructure - though it should be very limited (not subsidized, at least not substantially).
But electric vehicles are *not* a public good, there is no serious argument for that, thus, as private goods, their full marginal cost should be borne by their owners.
And, as always, my boring but central point: the cost or feasibility or whatever of X or Y response to "climate" issues are a secondary consideration, however stark the numbers. The primary argument must be over the outlandish hypothesis, that to the extent it is even falsifiable has no supporting evidence, that human activity has *any* effect on "climate", including any pernicious effect.
But electric vehicles are *not* a public good, there is no serious argument for that, thus, as private goods, their full marginal cost should be borne by their owners.
And, as always, my boring but central point: the cost or feasibility or whatever of X or Y response to "climate" issues are a secondary consideration, however stark the numbers. The primary argument must be over the outlandish hypothesis, that to the extent it is even falsifiable has no supporting evidence, that human activity has *any* effect on "climate", including any pernicious effect.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (OTzUX)
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Suspend habeas corpus and impose martial law on Baltimore and take a few other extra-Constitutional measures to preserve the Union and I get eternally pilloried in AoSHQ comments.
In fairness, imposing martial law on Baltimore would be pretty popular in the comments if done today.
In fairness, imposing martial law on Baltimore would be pretty popular in the comments if done today.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (ZGrMX)
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133 In despair I closed up the garage, got in my car, turned the engine on, and waited for the end. I broke down sobbing when I remembered I drive a Tesla.
Posted by: It's always darkest before it goes pitch black
Heh (I believe that's copyrighted by the Other Guy)
A Tesla is 'live' once you touch the brake pedal, or activate the climate etc remotely through the app. There are several things that activate the high-voltage DC contactors. They will turn your Tesla into a bomb if it's in water -esp salt water - up to its battery.
As I said, we have a Tesla and love it.
But I've also been through some EV mechanical/electrical training...
Posted by: It's always darkest before it goes pitch black
Heh (I believe that's copyrighted by the Other Guy)
A Tesla is 'live' once you touch the brake pedal, or activate the climate etc remotely through the app. There are several things that activate the high-voltage DC contactors. They will turn your Tesla into a bomb if it's in water -esp salt water - up to its battery.
As I said, we have a Tesla and love it.
But I've also been through some EV mechanical/electrical training...
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (8erNz)
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I'm beginning to think Sam Brinton is a kleptomaniac. An ugly, confused kleptomaniac.
Posted by: IC at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (oX3MH)
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In 10 years we will have some decent electric vehicles. In 20 years we will have fusion power.
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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It will be the same script we're seeing with energy right now. Plants shut down and will take a decade and massive investments to ramp back up, so it collapses the foundations. The same thing will happen to cars. The EVs will fail (on purpose), ICE cars will be outlawed via CO2 legislation, and there will be no legal options for you or your children to drive.
I'll say it again in 10 years.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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It will be the same script we're seeing with energy right now. Plants shut down and will take a decade and massive investments to ramp back up, so it collapses the foundations. The same thing will happen to cars. The EVs will fail (on purpose), ICE cars will be outlawed via CO2 legislation, and there will be no legal options for you or your children to drive.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (spZJg)
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I would have appreciated some classroom or lab training.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (XvPQV)
There's a private school in Chicago that seems to aspire to that sort of thing...as long as you are gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (XvPQV)
There's a private school in Chicago that seems to aspire to that sort of thing...as long as you are gay.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (XIJ/X)
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...the first time there is an bad accident the company that makes the car will be sued out of business.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (yCg0Q)
And there absolutely would be accidents, and they would be horrific because the engineers' idea was to have essentially a train of pods going 80+ mph a couple of inches apart and no visibility for the occupants because humans freak out when they can see that setup.
A deer, weather, any number of things could bring that to a crashing halt and the civil engineers in charge of designing the system were completely oblivious to any negative possibility.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at December 09, 2022 11:12 AM (yCg0Q)
And there absolutely would be accidents, and they would be horrific because the engineers' idea was to have essentially a train of pods going 80+ mph a couple of inches apart and no visibility for the occupants because humans freak out when they can see that setup.
A deer, weather, any number of things could bring that to a crashing halt and the civil engineers in charge of designing the system were completely oblivious to any negative possibility.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (nC+QA)
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Ian Miles Cheong@stillgray
Biden energy official Sam Brinton has a felony arrest warrant for yet another theft of luggage at an airport, this time in Las Vegas.
8 News Now@8NewsNow
BREAKING: An energy department official is accused of stealing luggage from Harry Reid International Airport, the 8 News Now Investigators learned Thursday. #8NN
"Did the thief have any unusual features?"
"How much time do you have?"
Biden energy official Sam Brinton has a felony arrest warrant for yet another theft of luggage at an airport, this time in Las Vegas.
8 News Now@8NewsNow
BREAKING: An energy department official is accused of stealing luggage from Harry Reid International Airport, the 8 News Now Investigators learned Thursday. #8NN
"Did the thief have any unusual features?"
"How much time do you have?"
Posted by: Wally at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (FJYfm)
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179 I guess I should look into giving Vanguard money to play with again; I stopped with that when they started being retarded. Vanguard in particular really has no business drinking the ESG kool aid because they're supposed to operate very much like an index fund. That was the whole point of their existence, and what made them appealing to a certain type of investor compared to other options like Fidelity.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (UewuT)
Supposed to operate like a credit union. They're most famous for index fund products but each investment they have on offer is distinct.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (UewuT)
Supposed to operate like a credit union. They're most famous for index fund products but each investment they have on offer is distinct.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (eYoxG)
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When a human makes that choice, he has agency. When a computer makes that choice, how is it determined? In a condition where the death of a person is highly likely and only the choice determines who it's going to be, what morality is in play when a machine makes that choice?
Gives me the willies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
I read a blog post that worked out the problem in detail, and I remember the conclusion but not the process.
Basically the greatest good and best option is for the AI to preserve the life of the driver above all other things. EI Asimov's first law of robotics.
If they don't adhere to this, they will create a black market for computers.
Gives me the willies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:16 AM (t0OGg)
I read a blog post that worked out the problem in detail, and I remember the conclusion but not the process.
Basically the greatest good and best option is for the AI to preserve the life of the driver above all other things. EI Asimov's first law of robotics.
If they don't adhere to this, they will create a black market for computers.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (44ww/)
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An EV Lotus would be major fun. As long as it didn't come with UK-made electrical.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (ZGrMX)
Lotus is making and EV, um, SUV and a supercar that will be ridiculously expensive.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (ZGrMX)
Lotus is making and EV, um, SUV and a supercar that will be ridiculously expensive.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (Y5qcH)
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A French inventor by the last name of Cugnot actually invented a steam-powered automobile in 1770.
Steam powered cars really appeal to me in a steampunk kind of way, but they're a real hassle to operate. Jay Leno's gotten burned by his twice now.
Posted by: Ian S.
They had battery powered cars in 1910.
Guess why it lost out to ICE?
Same issues as now.
Steam powered cars really appeal to me in a steampunk kind of way, but they're a real hassle to operate. Jay Leno's gotten burned by his twice now.
Posted by: Ian S.
They had battery powered cars in 1910.
Guess why it lost out to ICE?
Same issues as now.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (IV8Hw)
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The first electric car came out in 1832. By 1900 they were being driven all over NYC in the hundreds.
Posted by: Mister Scott
And then, they turned to a fuel three times better, gasoline.
The joke is: What did people use for transport before walking? Internal combustion engines, followed by a failed attempt at EVs.
Posted by: Mister Scott
And then, they turned to a fuel three times better, gasoline.
The joke is: What did people use for transport before walking? Internal combustion engines, followed by a failed attempt at EVs.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:33 AM (lTGtQ)
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Biden energy official Sam Brinton has a felony arrest warrant for yet another theft of luggage at an airport, this time in Las Vegas.
Is there a betting pool yet for the next airport where he'll steal someone's luggage?
Is there a betting pool yet for the next airport where he'll steal someone's luggage?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)
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181 "So we'll be largely driving ICE cars or not driving cars at all."
You already know which one of those options Klaus is aiming us at.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (ZGrMX)
Easier said than done. It can't be accomplished by nudging so they'd need to use brute force.
You already know which one of those options Klaus is aiming us at.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (ZGrMX)
Easier said than done. It can't be accomplished by nudging so they'd need to use brute force.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:33 AM (eYoxG)
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Chuck Berry was a master, wasn't he? Yes, his songs are all very similar. But they are all very catchy. And in his lyrics he could spin imagery like few others. "And away went Rudolph, zoomin' like a Sabre jet!"
His "Nadine" has several neat phrases: "I was campaign shoutin' like a Southern diplomat" and "Movin' through the traffic like a mounted Cavalier."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (J2vNu)
Master of the double-stop.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (AwYPR)
The lyrics to Memphis, Tennessee gets me right in the feels.
His "Nadine" has several neat phrases: "I was campaign shoutin' like a Southern diplomat" and "Movin' through the traffic like a mounted Cavalier."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (J2vNu)
Master of the double-stop.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (AwYPR)
The lyrics to Memphis, Tennessee gets me right in the feels.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM (4I/2K)
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188 I would have appreciated some classroom or lab training.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (XvPQV)
There's a private school in Chicago that seems to aspire to that sort of thing...as long as you are gay.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (XIJ/X)
Well that's no fun. If I wanted gay sex, I could have played football.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:29 AM (XvPQV)
There's a private school in Chicago that seems to aspire to that sort of thing...as long as you are gay.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:31 AM (XIJ/X)
Well that's no fun. If I wanted gay sex, I could have played football.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM (XvPQV)
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4 I want neither..gonna' hang onto my 2005 pup as long as I can.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:02 AM (AwYPR)
2002 here.
[Tip o'the hat]
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2022 11:02 AM (AwYPR)
2002 here.
[Tip o'the hat]
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM (Rbu5d)
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I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
Posted by: Ultra pj at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM (G1dq6)
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They had battery powered cars in 1910.
Guess why it lost out to ICE?
Because lead-acid was all they had then and it's awful for that kind of application.
Early 1900s battery cars were marketed to women, because ICE cars of the time required serious upper body strength. You had to crank the engine, and you'd break your arm if it backfired in the process, and there was no power steering.
Guess why it lost out to ICE?
Because lead-acid was all they had then and it's awful for that kind of application.
Early 1900s battery cars were marketed to women, because ICE cars of the time required serious upper body strength. You had to crank the engine, and you'd break your arm if it backfired in the process, and there was no power steering.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (ZGrMX)
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If the outlandish hypothesis of AGW is accepted, then decades of waste, grift, looting, vandalism, and totalitarian tinkering are guaranteed. It's just a question of how much damage you'd be accepting to society. Rejection - obliteration, really - of the ridiculous premise is the only sane approach.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (OTzUX)
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A deer, weather, any number of things could bring that to a crashing halt and the civil engineers in charge of designing the system were completely oblivious to any negative possibility.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
I've seen what programmers can do to screw up software to run an ERP, there is no way I can trust them with human lives.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
I've seen what programmers can do to screw up software to run an ERP, there is no way I can trust them with human lives.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)
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We have a super sweet HUMMER EV that weighs 10,000lb's, can go 250 miles (as long as you're not towing anything)
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I'm guessing the reason it goes 250 miles is because it weighs 10,000lbs. Those batteries are heavy as crap.
It would be interesting to see data on tire wear on EVs.
Same as with everything, I'm willing to bet not a single bit of the earth is "saved." People are just moving the pieces around to make themselves feel good about what they're burning.
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I'm guessing the reason it goes 250 miles is because it weighs 10,000lbs. Those batteries are heavy as crap.
It would be interesting to see data on tire wear on EVs.
Same as with everything, I'm willing to bet not a single bit of the earth is "saved." People are just moving the pieces around to make themselves feel good about what they're burning.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (spZJg)
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184 Suspend habeas corpus and impose martial law on Baltimore and take a few other extra-Constitutional measures to preserve the Union and I get eternally pilloried in AoSHQ comments.
In fairness, imposing martial law on Baltimore would be pretty popular in the comments if done today.
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This is true.
In fairness, imposing martial law on Baltimore would be pretty popular in the comments if done today.
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This is true.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (4vi12)
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178 Hunt and kill vampires for years and I get no recognition. Suspend habeas corpus and impose martial law on Baltimore and take a few other extra-Constitutional measures to preserve the Union and I get eternally pilloried in AoSHQ comments.
Posted by: Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (4I/2K)
I blame Razorfist
Posted by: Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter at December 09, 2022 11:30 AM (4I/2K)
I blame Razorfist
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (XvPQV)
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I confess I bought a Prius in 2005. My kids drove the car for 12 years before I reluctantly sold it. Tremendous car, very reliable, lots of interior space. Fun too, if you like to suit your city driving to maximize mileage.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (sLQz6)
Never owned a Prius, but have driven two rentals some years ago. I was actually very satisfied with its performance and comfort. We drove all over the Oregon and Washington area and only filled the tank once.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (sLQz6)
Never owned a Prius, but have driven two rentals some years ago. I was actually very satisfied with its performance and comfort. We drove all over the Oregon and Washington area and only filled the tank once.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (UQUAY)
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Early 1900s battery cars were marketed to women
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(a slow pitch across the plate...)
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(a slow pitch across the plate...)
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:36 AM (spZJg)
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I forget which company it was, but IIRC an electric tractor of some sort burned to the ground at a trade show recently.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
There's a Chinee company who made a big splash with an autonomous electric tractor a few months ago. Big press release, and heavily edited video of the tractor moving through a field.
Turns out that the graphics they used for the engineering 3D model in the press kit was just unmodified modules from a $20 3D graphics download that gamers use to build fantasy vehicles in their games and artwork.
I forget which company it was, but IIRC an electric tractor of some sort burned to the ground at a trade show recently.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
There's a Chinee company who made a big splash with an autonomous electric tractor a few months ago. Big press release, and heavily edited video of the tractor moving through a field.
Turns out that the graphics they used for the engineering 3D model in the press kit was just unmodified modules from a $20 3D graphics download that gamers use to build fantasy vehicles in their games and artwork.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2022 11:36 AM (KYKwc)
Posted by: DB at December 09, 2022 11:36 AM (geLO8)
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I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
Posted by: Ultra pj at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM
a lot
it's a stupendously large gravy train...probably makes what they dumped in to Solindra look like a rounding error
I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
Posted by: Ultra pj at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM
a lot
it's a stupendously large gravy train...probably makes what they dumped in to Solindra look like a rounding error
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2022 11:36 AM (ENBF0)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2022 11:36 AM (T4tVD)
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Later on, CA started talking about eliminating the stickers... and the hippies screamed like banshees because the stickers were vital signals to the world that it was important to change the ICE car culture to hybrids and EVs.
What they really did was time-limiting them. The Priuses etc got aged out, and even EVs only get three years.
The real value is free carpool-lane access. That is what sold the Tesla Model S to so much of the SiliValley hoi polloi in the early years. 101 from Marsh to San Jose in commute hour at a third the time. Like the Concorde.
What they really did was time-limiting them. The Priuses etc got aged out, and even EVs only get three years.
The real value is free carpool-lane access. That is what sold the Tesla Model S to so much of the SiliValley hoi polloi in the early years. 101 from Marsh to San Jose in commute hour at a third the time. Like the Concorde.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (8erNz)
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Gov. Newsome will take care of it. The state is mandating that 50 percent of all cars by 2030 MUST be EV's and by 2035 ALL cars must be EV's!! Same in some other states like Washington, New York, etc. Might not have the electrical power, but we will have shiny new EV's.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
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Is there ANY "green" investment that has actually made money? I mean other than for the grifters.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (eOEVl)
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Went into Spokane yesterday during our latest snow event . Watched a kid do a 360 and end up buried in the median and a rear end accident on the way in . On the way home I counted 5 more slide offs. I'm trying to picture an autonomic car in that kind of crap. Would the tow trucks be autonomous too?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (yL4dC)
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Browsing the new TRS-80 hile in high school I assumed them to be a worthless fad. My brother was into them, which probably earned him threats of kicking his ass. I remember telling him that nobody is going to pay money so they can store recipes, dumb ass! Turns out I was wrong.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (9Be2b)
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And the "autonomous vehicle" thing, same logic applies - why? What need is being addressed?
Oh. Right.
Oh. Right.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (OTzUX)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (ENBF0)
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Adam Schiff really is a peckerhead.
I'd like to watch him get trapped in a burning EV.
(See how I worked that into the subject matter?)
I'd like to watch him get trapped in a burning EV.
(See how I worked that into the subject matter?)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2022 11:38 AM (anj39)
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I live in a very rural area, and any talk of EVs or self-driving cars is moot at the moment.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2022 11:38 AM (bvH+0)
223
I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
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It's a wildly popular idea. Most people don't enjoy driving or have the attention span to do it well. I'd imagine 90% of the country would rather sit in a pod and watch commercials on youtube while being driven to work to sit in their cubicle and watch commercials on youtube.
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It's a wildly popular idea. Most people don't enjoy driving or have the attention span to do it well. I'd imagine 90% of the country would rather sit in a pod and watch commercials on youtube while being driven to work to sit in their cubicle and watch commercials on youtube.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:38 AM (spZJg)
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... Basically the greatest good and best option is for the AI to preserve the life of the driver above all other things. EI Asimov's first law of robotics. ...
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (44ww/)
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It's a serious ethical problem and I don't think it can solved as such. Greatest good, according to whom? The adult is already productive and paid for the car, so to the car the greatest good is protecting its master. Run the kid down.
But the kid's potential will be snuffed out. What if he was going to be the next guy who changed the world for the better? What if his family line was going to be more important than the driver's? We'll never know. The choice was made and one possibility was eliminated. What if the question is the line itself? The driver probably already continued his. The kid hasn't had the chance yet. Where's the greater good?
There are equivalent questions when it comes to a choice between two people in the same category, or if one of them is elderly. These are questions that cannot be programatically addressed, but they *have* to be in order for autonomous machines to function in the chaotic real world.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:32 AM (44ww/)
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It's a serious ethical problem and I don't think it can solved as such. Greatest good, according to whom? The adult is already productive and paid for the car, so to the car the greatest good is protecting its master. Run the kid down.
But the kid's potential will be snuffed out. What if he was going to be the next guy who changed the world for the better? What if his family line was going to be more important than the driver's? We'll never know. The choice was made and one possibility was eliminated. What if the question is the line itself? The driver probably already continued his. The kid hasn't had the chance yet. Where's the greater good?
There are equivalent questions when it comes to a choice between two people in the same category, or if one of them is elderly. These are questions that cannot be programatically addressed, but they *have* to be in order for autonomous machines to function in the chaotic real world.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
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I really like the EV semi-tractors. They cost at least twice what a diesel costs, they carry 4 tons of batteries that take away from hauling capacity, and they can travel almost one third the distance that a diesel can.
That is a money maker for any transport company.
That is a money maker for any transport company.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM (lTGtQ)
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I live in a very rural area, and any talk of EVs or self-driving cars is moot at the moment.
Posted by: SMH
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They don't intend for us to use EVs.
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They don't intend for us to use EVs.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM (spZJg)
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I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
You say "went" as if they've stopped.
You say "went" as if they've stopped.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM (eOEVl)
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The elite and virtue-signallers will neve live to see a world that runs on autopilot, while they live above common people, because they will need rambunctious rednecks like me to make stuff work.
Posted by: Eromero at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM (z3WCn)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:40 AM (+hI+T)
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I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
You say "went" as if they've stopped.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM
don't forget, it's extra grifty 'cause the UAW has it's snout in the trough
I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
You say "went" as if they've stopped.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM
don't forget, it's extra grifty 'cause the UAW has it's snout in the trough
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2022 11:40 AM (ENBF0)
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I confess I bought a Prius in 2005. My kids drove the car for 12 years before I reluctantly sold it. Tremendous car, very reliable, lots of interior space. Fun too, if you like to suit your city driving to maximize mileage.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (sLQz6)
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I've had the Prius as a rental car several times and never liked it. The seat is comfortable and it performs decently well and once you get used to the regenerative brakes it behaves totally unsurprisingly. The car was an ergonomic disaster, though. They went out of their way to make it unique and that was a mistake. The center-mounted instruments never made any sense to me and the versions I always had as rentals were hatch-backs and the goofy back glass on the tailgate was a visibility nightmare.
The same powertrain in an otherwise-normal Corolla would probably have been very good, though.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (sLQz6)
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I've had the Prius as a rental car several times and never liked it. The seat is comfortable and it performs decently well and once you get used to the regenerative brakes it behaves totally unsurprisingly. The car was an ergonomic disaster, though. They went out of their way to make it unique and that was a mistake. The center-mounted instruments never made any sense to me and the versions I always had as rentals were hatch-backs and the goofy back glass on the tailgate was a visibility nightmare.
The same powertrain in an otherwise-normal Corolla would probably have been very good, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:40 AM (t0OGg)
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It's a serious ethical problem and I don't think it can solved as such. Greatest good, according to whom? The adult is already productive and paid for the car, so to the car the greatest good is protecting its master. Run the kid down.
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The decision will be based on a quick check of the social credit score of each of the impacted(?!!) parties.
Prove me wrong.
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The decision will be based on a quick check of the social credit score of each of the impacted(?!!) parties.
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (qoGsy)
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The important thing to remember is that battery cars aren't really electric. They are chemical reaction cars.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (Y5qcH)
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OK, I'll start:
The chair is against the wall
Posted by: AltonJackson
The fat man has a mustache
The chair is against the wall
Posted by: AltonJackson
The fat man has a mustache
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (yL4dC)
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Dammit, what has Tom done with Sarah? Is she in a basement dungeon?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (eOEVl)
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Electric trucks might make good yard movers or local last mile delivery. But the idea that they are going to be cross country haulers is stupid. They need battery powered trains for that.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
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>Greatest good, according to whom?
I shouldn't have used that phrase. The car is on Team Driver and does not attempt the issues you bring up.
I shouldn't have used that phrase. The car is on Team Driver and does not attempt the issues you bring up.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (44ww/)
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But Cat Ass, in 1962 the US had a small military establishment, no major well armed adversaries or serious treaty or collective defense commitments, and not much defense industry to speak of. So a much smaller law seems appropriate.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (OTzUX)
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I said it before, nothing is more satisfying than sitting in front of an EV at a traffic light in a 1969 big block roadrunner with loud arrogant flowmaster 40 mufflers, lopy cam, and bernie eyeball exhaust. The only thing missing is the license plate frame that says "my other car will destroy the planet too"
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (VwHCD)
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Chip Roy just tweeted the entire 1962 NDAA. It was only 1/2 page.
2023 NDAA 4400 pages.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
No one listened to Ike
2023 NDAA 4400 pages.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
No one listened to Ike
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (yL4dC)
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Hopefully, Renault Dauphines will make a come back. They were special.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (4vi12)
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Gov. Newsome will take care of it. The state is mandating that 50 percent of all cars by 2030 MUST be EV's and by 2035 ALL cars must be EV's!! Same in some other states like Washington, New York, etc. Might not have the electrical power, but we will have shiny new EV's.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
Toyota CEO already said GFY
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
Toyota CEO already said GFY
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (OgrpQ)
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Song of the season? Easily, Gene Autry's "Merry Texas Christmas, You All." Back in the long, long ago, Dad would drop his favorite (and only) Christmas tape into the player while we opened presents. It was mostly C&W singers doing Christmas standards, with the notable inclusion of that Gene Autry tune.
I never heard it anywhere other than Christmas morning - no radio, no TV, nothing. So any time I hear it, I'm immediately 7 years old on Christmas morning.
Link, for anyone else who wants to time travel:
https://youtu.be/onGs1BaA7co
I never heard it anywhere other than Christmas morning - no radio, no TV, nothing. So any time I hear it, I'm immediately 7 years old on Christmas morning.
Link, for anyone else who wants to time travel:
https://youtu.be/onGs1BaA7co
Posted by: Stewed Hamm at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (EqYm5)
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"The plants are already built. The tooling is already established. China - the biggest market and driver of this stupid Global Warming scheme (and likely co-piloting with the WEF) - are driving demand. We are not the market for American manufacturers any longer. "
I don't quite see how if the US grid can't handle large numbers of EVs, how in the world can a country like China have an adequate grid?
I don't quite see how if the US grid can't handle large numbers of EVs, how in the world can a country like China have an adequate grid?
Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (aW5/6)
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208 I confess I bought a Prius in 2005.
A few mea culpas and we'll forgive you.
Okay...the second-gen Prius is an incredibly simple (mechanically) and incredibly clever (electronically) thing. After my week (https://tinyurl.com/2prckwrn) I've come to appreciate what Aisin and Toyota (and Ford) did.
Some of the third-gen had problems. Valvetrain in the engine, inverter in the electronics. But an incredibly clever design.
A few mea culpas and we'll forgive you.
Okay...the second-gen Prius is an incredibly simple (mechanically) and incredibly clever (electronically) thing. After my week (https://tinyurl.com/2prckwrn) I've come to appreciate what Aisin and Toyota (and Ford) did.
Some of the third-gen had problems. Valvetrain in the engine, inverter in the electronics. But an incredibly clever design.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (8erNz)
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My taste in Christmas music comes directly from my father, who loved Christmas and was known to break out the Christmas music in his woodworking shop as early as Halloween.
He loved singing cowboys, and "Christmastime With Gene Autry" was a staple of my childhood. It remains among my favorite Christmas albums of all time and it's the first one I go to when it's time to start stringing lights around the house.
Another is "Christmas on the Ponderosa," the Bonanza Christmas album, which works like a radio dramatization of the series. This makes it a bit odd, but the songs are great -- "New Born King," sung by Pernell Roberts, has become my favorite Christmas song of all time (and the only other person I know of who has recorded a version of it is Joan Baez).
And of course there's always Mannheim Steamroller. Chip Davis's sweet, almost mournful, instrumental rendition of Silent Night still brings me to tears. Especially when I think about my dad, and how much I miss him.
He loved singing cowboys, and "Christmastime With Gene Autry" was a staple of my childhood. It remains among my favorite Christmas albums of all time and it's the first one I go to when it's time to start stringing lights around the house.
Another is "Christmas on the Ponderosa," the Bonanza Christmas album, which works like a radio dramatization of the series. This makes it a bit odd, but the songs are great -- "New Born King," sung by Pernell Roberts, has become my favorite Christmas song of all time (and the only other person I know of who has recorded a version of it is Joan Baez).
And of course there's always Mannheim Steamroller. Chip Davis's sweet, almost mournful, instrumental rendition of Silent Night still brings me to tears. Especially when I think about my dad, and how much I miss him.
Posted by: Caiwyn at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (+dHQK)
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The same powertrain in an otherwise-normal Corolla would probably have been very good, though.
They've indeed sold a ton of Corollas (and Camrys and Highlanders) with versions of the same powertrain.
They've indeed sold a ton of Corollas (and Camrys and Highlanders) with versions of the same powertrain.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (ZGrMX)
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218 Browsing the new TRS-80 hile in high school I assumed them to be a worthless fad. My brother was into them, which probably earned him threats of kicking his ass. I remember telling him that nobody is going to pay money so they can store recipes, dumb ass! Turns out I was wrong.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (9Be2b)
Heh. Dragged my old father into a Radio Shack in the early 80's to look at them and he spent 20 minutes lecturing the poor clerk about how he'd never need a computer.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (9Be2b)
Heh. Dragged my old father into a Radio Shack in the early 80's to look at them and he spent 20 minutes lecturing the poor clerk about how he'd never need a computer.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (BTgKJ)
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151 Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (flINI)
Had Ford been caught in flagrante delicto with the daughter of a certain Democrat dynasty, he could have been shot and killed in a Kennedy.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (flINI)
Had Ford been caught in flagrante delicto with the daughter of a certain Democrat dynasty, he could have been shot and killed in a Kennedy.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (a/dOO)
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NYT workers go on strike, say it's "ridiculous" that a company can make them come "back into the office 5 days a week"
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Yeah, where do they get off?
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Yeah, where do they get off?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (FVME7)
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'Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
'Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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244 "The plants are already built. The tooling is already established. China - the biggest market and driver of this stupid Global Warming scheme (and likely co-piloting with the WEF) - are driving demand. We are not the market for American manufacturers any longer. "
I don't quite see how if the US grid can't handle large numbers of EVs, how in the world can a country like China have an adequate grid?
Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (aW5/6)
China builds new coal plants at a pretty fast clip.
I don't quite see how if the US grid can't handle large numbers of EVs, how in the world can a country like China have an adequate grid?
Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (aW5/6)
China builds new coal plants at a pretty fast clip.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (eYoxG)
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What's worth more, this gangrenous deer or the sexist man who bought me?
~CPU wearing cat-eye glasses and blue hair for some reason
~CPU wearing cat-eye glasses and blue hair for some reason
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (44ww/)
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Which engine is it? I have an X3 that absolutely sucks to repair, but damn...the little fucker can move.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (XIJ/X)
I traded a 05 X3 3.0 because it was going to cost me several thousand dollars to fix all of the little things that had gone wrong over the years. An oil leak, an intermittent O2 sensor that generated a latched fault, sunroof drain tubes that clogged, etc., etc., etc.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:26 AM (XIJ/X)
I traded a 05 X3 3.0 because it was going to cost me several thousand dollars to fix all of the little things that had gone wrong over the years. An oil leak, an intermittent O2 sensor that generated a latched fault, sunroof drain tubes that clogged, etc., etc., etc.
Posted by: Fox2! at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (qyH+l)
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The decision will be based on a quick check of the social credit score of each of the impacted(?!!) parties.
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (qoGsy)
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No, I suspect you're right. That's also probably the worst possible way to solve the problem. A fixed rule of "protect the driver" would be better (not ethical, necessarily, but better) because it would offer predictability and adaptation. It would ingrain in everyone, for example, that *all* cars are dangerous to those outside of them. You can at least react and respond to the operating principle.
But with a "social credit" type system - which yes, is probably how they will choose to solve the problem, assuming identification can occur quickly enough to influence the choice - there is no ability to respond. There is no discernible rule in the moment, and no operating principle to which one can adapt. It will also enable casual murder without consequence because the computer did it and that system has regulatory approval.
Autonomous cars, even if done honestly, are an ethical nightmare. And it won't be done honestly.
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (qoGsy)
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No, I suspect you're right. That's also probably the worst possible way to solve the problem. A fixed rule of "protect the driver" would be better (not ethical, necessarily, but better) because it would offer predictability and adaptation. It would ingrain in everyone, for example, that *all* cars are dangerous to those outside of them. You can at least react and respond to the operating principle.
But with a "social credit" type system - which yes, is probably how they will choose to solve the problem, assuming identification can occur quickly enough to influence the choice - there is no ability to respond. There is no discernible rule in the moment, and no operating principle to which one can adapt. It will also enable casual murder without consequence because the computer did it and that system has regulatory approval.
Autonomous cars, even if done honestly, are an ethical nightmare. And it won't be done honestly.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (t0OGg)
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Every time I think about it walking through a parking lot I look for a EV but have yet to see one
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (vlzKB)
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I banned him awhile ago.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (XIJ/X)
Oh that's nice. I don't know what his story was, but it seemed like most of his commentary here was designed to irritate.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (XIJ/X)
Oh that's nice. I don't know what his story was, but it seemed like most of his commentary here was designed to irritate.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2022 11:45 AM (RdGHV)
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Report: 55% of US adults claim that they are facing "financial hardships" because of rising costs
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The other 45% are too dumb to math.
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The other 45% are too dumb to math.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:45 AM (FVME7)
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Trains are really electric. The diesel makes the electricity, and the electric motors drive the wheel. Now how about electric RR's like most of Europe uses. It might cost trillions to wire the RR's but Biden can mandate that, can't he?
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:45 AM (zJY/j)
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I remember the simpler times with lace wigs and machines for sale. A man knew where he stood with a spam bot hawking lace wigs. Now a days the spam bots are all about the spam and have no character. Sad.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2022 11:45 AM (2oHWb)
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>But don't try to force me, or it will make me hate your product and you and your entire family line.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
All that, plus don't try to gaslight me like Xiden did, that EVs are the sainted vehicle of the future, with no negative traits.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:19 AM (t0OGg)
All that, plus don't try to gaslight me like Xiden did, that EVs are the sainted vehicle of the future, with no negative traits.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2022 11:45 AM (q7CJ4)
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238 But Cat Ass, in 1962 the US had a small military establishment, no major well armed adversaries or serious treaty or collective defense commitments, and not much defense industry to speak of. So a much smaller law seems appropriate.
Posted by: rhomboid
Yeah, the Bee could make serious material out of this.
Posted by: rhomboid
Yeah, the Bee could make serious material out of this.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:45 AM (8erNz)
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Gov. Newsome will take care of it. The state is mandating that 50 percent of all cars by 2030 MUST be EV's and by 2035 ALL cars must be EV's!! Same in some other states like Washington, New York, etc. Might not have the electrical power, but we will have shiny new EV's.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
Opportunity for the car market to resemble Cuba's.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
Opportunity for the car market to resemble Cuba's.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:46 AM (44ww/)
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We have a super sweet HUMMER EV that weighs 10,000lb's, can go 250 miles (as long as you're not towing anything)
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I'm guessing the reason it goes 250 miles is because it weighs 10,000lbs. Those batteries are heavy as crap.
It would be interesting to see data on tire wear on EVs.
Same as with everything, I'm willing to bet not a single bit of the earth is "saved." People are just moving the pieces around to make themselves feel good about what they're burning.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (spZJg)
Correct. The battery is about 5,000lbs. The Ultimo battery is pretty neat, I believe Honda (being behind in the EV game) will be purchasing them for use in their own cars.
Now, 10,000lbs hurtling down the freeway....crashes into a small car....ouch.
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I'm guessing the reason it goes 250 miles is because it weighs 10,000lbs. Those batteries are heavy as crap.
It would be interesting to see data on tire wear on EVs.
Same as with everything, I'm willing to bet not a single bit of the earth is "saved." People are just moving the pieces around to make themselves feel good about what they're burning.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:35 AM (spZJg)
Correct. The battery is about 5,000lbs. The Ultimo battery is pretty neat, I believe Honda (being behind in the EV game) will be purchasing them for use in their own cars.
Now, 10,000lbs hurtling down the freeway....crashes into a small car....ouch.
Posted by: GigantorX at December 09, 2022 11:46 AM (vPu9I)
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Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
JFK had a secretary with the last name 'Lincoln'. Guess what Lincoln's secretary's last name was?
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
JFK had a secretary with the last name 'Lincoln'. Guess what Lincoln's secretary's last name was?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:46 AM (qoGsy)
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I shouldn't have used that phrase. The car is on Team Driver and does not attempt the issues you bring up.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (44ww/)
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Right. The ethical decision was already made by the people who designed the system. It isn't a great answer, and the resulting death that will inevitably occur was decided in advance in one party's favor simply because they didn't know how to solve the problem.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:42 AM (44ww/)
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Right. The ethical decision was already made by the people who designed the system. It isn't a great answer, and the resulting death that will inevitably occur was decided in advance in one party's favor simply because they didn't know how to solve the problem.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:47 AM (t0OGg)
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Report: 55% of US adults claim that they are facing "financial hardships" because of rising costs
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The other 45% are too dumb to math.
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You mean 65 percent.
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The other 45% are too dumb to math.
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You mean 65 percent.
Posted by: The Other 45% at December 09, 2022 11:47 AM (lf83v)
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One thing's for sure, if I ever run for president there's no way my VP will be named Johnson.
Posted by: CppThis at December 09, 2022 11:47 AM (UewuT)
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Does Ford remember the Edsel?
Posted by: Redenzo at December 09, 2022 11:47 AM (E7vND)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:48 AM (q3iUt)
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Does Ford remember the Edsel?
Posted by: Redenzo at December 09, 2022 11:47 AM (E7vND)
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I'm sure he does. Edsel's murder was a major event in the history of unionization at the Ford Motor Company.
Posted by: Redenzo at December 09, 2022 11:47 AM (E7vND)
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I'm sure he does. Edsel's murder was a major event in the history of unionization at the Ford Motor Company.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:48 AM (t0OGg)
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"The plants are already built. The tooling is already established. China - the biggest market and driver of this stupid Global Warming scheme (and likely co-piloting with the WEF) - are driving demand. We are not the market for American manufacturers any longer. "
I don't quite see how if the US grid can't handle large numbers of EVs, how in the world can a country like China have an adequate grid?
Posted by: Brunnhilde
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Again, it doesn't matter. The EVs aren't the point. They're a way to exert control. The people doing this don't give a crap if anyone drives or not.
I don't quite see how if the US grid can't handle large numbers of EVs, how in the world can a country like China have an adequate grid?
Posted by: Brunnhilde
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Again, it doesn't matter. The EVs aren't the point. They're a way to exert control. The people doing this don't give a crap if anyone drives or not.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:48 AM (spZJg)
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Is there a betting pool yet for the next airport where he'll steal someone's luggage?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)
I'm willing to bet the Las Vegas incident happened before Minnesota. He's done it repeatedly, but was caught for the first time in Minneapolis. Then some other airports went through missing luggage reports and the timing of travels by Brinson, looked through the footage, and voila. Case closed.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)
I'm willing to bet the Las Vegas incident happened before Minnesota. He's done it repeatedly, but was caught for the first time in Minneapolis. Then some other airports went through missing luggage reports and the timing of travels by Brinson, looked through the footage, and voila. Case closed.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at December 09, 2022 11:48 AM (a/dOO)
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JFK had a secretary with the last name 'Lincoln'. Guess what Lincoln's secretary's last name was?
Buxom !
Buxom !
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (T4tVD)
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Ok. It's official. It is now the Christmas season.
Watched Christmas Vacation, White Christmas and heard Jose Feliciano's Fleas on a Dog.
Watched Christmas Vacation, White Christmas and heard Jose Feliciano's Fleas on a Dog.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (IV8Hw)
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I read an article the other day that explained how there are not any projects in the US to upgrade the electrical grid to anything close to what would be needed for even 10% EV transportation. Not even at the proposal stage.
And these would be complicated projects that take a long time with imminent domain and right of way issues that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM
I read one study from a guy who claimed that if every ICE vehicle in the US was replaced with an equivalent EV we would need to nearly double the grid capacity. Not sure if that is accurate but there almost 300,000,000 ICE vehicles in the US so it's gonna take a tremendous upgrade and overhaul of the grid to power those cars and that is physically not possible by 2030.
And these would be complicated projects that take a long time with imminent domain and right of way issues that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM
I read one study from a guy who claimed that if every ICE vehicle in the US was replaced with an equivalent EV we would need to nearly double the grid capacity. Not sure if that is accurate but there almost 300,000,000 ICE vehicles in the US so it's gonna take a tremendous upgrade and overhaul of the grid to power those cars and that is physically not possible by 2030.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (uNylN)
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>>>243 Link, for anyone else who wants to time travel:
https://youtu.be/onGs1BaA7co
Posted by: Stewed Hamm at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (EqYm5)
Another Gene Autry fan, very nice to see!
You know, I was in the grocery store some years ago and was shocked to hear his rendition of "Silver Bells" playing over the speakers. I think Gene Autry's Christmas tunes have had a bit of a resurgence in the public consciousness in the last decade or so.
https://youtu.be/onGs1BaA7co
Posted by: Stewed Hamm at December 09, 2022 11:43 AM (EqYm5)
Another Gene Autry fan, very nice to see!
You know, I was in the grocery store some years ago and was shocked to hear his rendition of "Silver Bells" playing over the speakers. I think Gene Autry's Christmas tunes have had a bit of a resurgence in the public consciousness in the last decade or so.
Posted by: Caiwyn at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (+dHQK)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (lf83v)
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129 Christmas time's a-coming, and I'm at my country home!
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (Mzdiz)
That's so nice that you can celebrate a real country Christmas, Southern style. In my time I've celebrated city Christmas, country Christmas and something in-between. But now I really have lost the celebratory spirit and am just kind of meh. I do observe the religious holiday though.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2022 11:23 AM (Mzdiz)
That's so nice that you can celebrate a real country Christmas, Southern style. In my time I've celebrated city Christmas, country Christmas and something in-between. But now I really have lost the celebratory spirit and am just kind of meh. I do observe the religious holiday though.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (2rnaS)
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A cool grand at Discount Tire in Sherman for four for the Avenger.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022
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I spent about $850 with TireRack in Dec. 2020 for 4 Continentals for the Buick. The big car was at 48K miles and still had the original Goodyears. I'd had to repair one tire, and a second one went and couldn't be saved, so I decided it was time. They make the big red beast handle and ride really well.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022
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I spent about $850 with TireRack in Dec. 2020 for 4 Continentals for the Buick. The big car was at 48K miles and still had the original Goodyears. I'd had to repair one tire, and a second one went and couldn't be saved, so I decided it was time. They make the big red beast handle and ride really well.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (J2vNu)
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I do not know if EVs will dominate or not, but I am not fazed by the failure of GM, Ford, VW, et al to develop a successful EV. Tesla is the market leader by a mile, and from what I hear from people who have made money evaluating engineering in the mass market, it is due to superior innovative engineering.
Self-driving is another area where Tesla is in a class by itself, because it has an approach that relies on neural-net computer learning rather than mapping. Since neural-net learning takes time, Tesla has a multi-year jump on everyone else who took the wait-and-see approach. Tesla also puts a lot of effort into recruiting the best engineering talent, hardware and software, to the point where everyone else gets the leftovers.
Tesla trucks are in production with the 500-mile range that Bill Gates said was impossible.
A lot of the spin is really anti-Musk, and politically driven rather than technically. I'm surprised anyone here pays attention to that.
Self-driving is another area where Tesla is in a class by itself, because it has an approach that relies on neural-net computer learning rather than mapping. Since neural-net learning takes time, Tesla has a multi-year jump on everyone else who took the wait-and-see approach. Tesla also puts a lot of effort into recruiting the best engineering talent, hardware and software, to the point where everyone else gets the leftovers.
Tesla trucks are in production with the 500-mile range that Bill Gates said was impossible.
A lot of the spin is really anti-Musk, and politically driven rather than technically. I'm surprised anyone here pays attention to that.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (oVJIF)
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Browsing the new TRS-80 hile in high school I assumed them to be a worthless fad. My brother was into them, which probably earned him threats of kicking his ass. I remember telling him that nobody is going to pay money so they can store recipes, dumb ass! Turns out I was wrong.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (9Be2b)
I watched my step-brother try to program a log-scaling program so he could estimate values in the field when loading for the mill. I still didn't get involved
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (9Be2b)
I watched my step-brother try to program a log-scaling program so he could estimate values in the field when loading for the mill. I still didn't get involved
Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2022 11:50 AM (xhaym)
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265 Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
JFK had a secretary with the last name 'Lincoln'. Guess what Lincoln's secretary's last name was?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:46 AM (qoGsy)
Mrs. Kennedy liked bananas. Mrs. Lincoln went bananas.
(Stolen from Letterman)
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
JFK had a secretary with the last name 'Lincoln'. Guess what Lincoln's secretary's last name was?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2022 11:46 AM (qoGsy)
Mrs. Kennedy liked bananas. Mrs. Lincoln went bananas.
(Stolen from Letterman)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 09, 2022 11:50 AM (BTgKJ)
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275 Ok. It's official. It is now the Christmas season.
Watched Christmas Vacation, White Christmas and heard Jose Feliciano's Fleas on a Dog.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (IV8Hw)
It's not Christmas till you hear "Do they know it's Christmas" Ad Nauseum...
Watched Christmas Vacation, White Christmas and heard Jose Feliciano's Fleas on a Dog.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (IV8Hw)
It's not Christmas till you hear "Do they know it's Christmas" Ad Nauseum...
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2022 11:50 AM (bs+z0)
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Again, it doesn't matter. The EVs aren't the point. They're a way to exert control. The people doing this don't give a crap if anyone drives or not.
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Speaking of, someone had posted a link a few days ago of the WEF or an associated group posting their planned and ideal scenarios by 2045 or so.
IIRC "ideal" was 0 cars per 100,000 people. Planned was 15 or so I think.
I'll try to dig the link up.
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Speaking of, someone had posted a link a few days ago of the WEF or an associated group posting their planned and ideal scenarios by 2045 or so.
IIRC "ideal" was 0 cars per 100,000 people. Planned was 15 or so I think.
I'll try to dig the link up.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:50 AM (spZJg)
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I have two Canoo EV delivery trucks on order. Of course, I don't expect to see them for a few years, but it makes me happy I'm now pissing off environmentalists.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 11:50 AM (/BlEx)
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:40 AM (t0OGg)
I rented a minivan that was duel powered for a three day vacation in FL. I was driving a bunch of people around, and it worked quite well, and got good mileage. The thing seemed well designed too.
It is possible to use the best part of EV and the best part of ICE, but without government interference. Any other scenario fails.
I rented a minivan that was duel powered for a three day vacation in FL. I was driving a bunch of people around, and it worked quite well, and got good mileage. The thing seemed well designed too.
It is possible to use the best part of EV and the best part of ICE, but without government interference. Any other scenario fails.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (XIJ/X)
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Boothe was sic semper fabulous IYKWIM.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (44ww/)
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That is a money maker for any transport company.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM (lTGtQ)
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Most shippers will cut that freight rate by a quarter. I've been told that the maximum hauling weight is only about 30k pounds
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:39 AM (lTGtQ)
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Most shippers will cut that freight rate by a quarter. I've been told that the maximum hauling weight is only about 30k pounds
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (flINI)
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If I owned an EV (I don't) no way I would park it inside the house, so, if it's not in the house I can't charge it.
End of discussion.
End of discussion.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (jTmQV)
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Judge Blocks Depositions of 3 High-Ranking Biden Officials in Big Tech–Govt Collusion Case
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We can't be having the truth come out!
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We can't be having the truth come out!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (FVME7)
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144 The wrong people are having sex. Stop it!
Stop it right now!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (4I/2K)
Having sex should require a license.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (VA2ov)
If the stats are right, Chad, Tyrone, Pookie and Ray-Ray are having loads of sex. The rest of the guys out there, not so much.
Stop it right now!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2022 11:24 AM (4I/2K)
Having sex should require a license.
Posted by: Robert - Metallica, 72 Seasons, out 4/14 at December 09, 2022 11:25 AM (VA2ov)
If the stats are right, Chad, Tyrone, Pookie and Ray-Ray are having loads of sex. The rest of the guys out there, not so much.
Posted by: Bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (f9n7F)
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I spent about $850 with TireRack in Dec. 2020 for 4 Continentals for the Buick. The big car was at 48K miles and still had the original Goodyears. I'd had to repair one tire, and a second one went and couldn't be saved, so I decided it was time. They make the big red beast handle and ride really well.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (J2vNu)
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I had a puncture about two months ago. 3/4 of the tires were nearing - but not at - end-of-life (a prior blowout is why I had one decent tire still on there). I went to get it replaced and braced myself. I knew the puncture was outside the repairable area and that I would be buying at least two tires.
I was trying to decide between two and four tires (not AWD, so I could do that) and I asked the guy flat-out, "how is inflation looking for tires right now?" He said they were seeing tire prices go up about 8% per quarter for the past year and change.
I bought all four.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (J2vNu)
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I had a puncture about two months ago. 3/4 of the tires were nearing - but not at - end-of-life (a prior blowout is why I had one decent tire still on there). I went to get it replaced and braced myself. I knew the puncture was outside the repairable area and that I would be buying at least two tires.
I was trying to decide between two and four tires (not AWD, so I could do that) and I asked the guy flat-out, "how is inflation looking for tires right now?" He said they were seeing tire prices go up about 8% per quarter for the past year and change.
I bought all four.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (t0OGg)
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A lot of the spin is really anti-Musk, and politically driven rather than technically. I'm surprised anyone here pays attention to that.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune
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You misunderstand. People here are more informed than normal folks. People here can understand and discuss not only the issue but the science behind the issue.
It's not "spin" that EVs can't tow for crap, and if someone buys a truck to tow, that tiny detail matters.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune
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You misunderstand. People here are more informed than normal folks. People here can understand and discuss not only the issue but the science behind the issue.
It's not "spin" that EVs can't tow for crap, and if someone buys a truck to tow, that tiny detail matters.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (spZJg)
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Electric trucks might make good yard movers or local last mile delivery. But the idea that they are going to be cross country haulers is stupid. They need battery powered trains for that.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
There was an electric railroad network from New Haven to D.C., New York City to Harrisburg, starting in the late 20s. Amtrak still runs passenger service between DC and New Haven under the wire. Freight service went away when Conrail decided not to recapitalize the infrastructure.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
There was an electric railroad network from New Haven to D.C., New York City to Harrisburg, starting in the late 20s. Amtrak still runs passenger service between DC and New Haven under the wire. Freight service went away when Conrail decided not to recapitalize the infrastructure.
Posted by: Fox2! at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (qyH+l)
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I'll make a not so hard prediction:
Ford will be in bankruptcy within the next 5 years. They're dumping a billion, yes billion dollars into a fab plant down the road in Glendale, KY. It will produce batteries. For all the EV's Ford thinks it's going to sell. There's a sister plant in TN that will manufacture something else for EV's. Probably another billion dumped into that as well.
The local Ford dealer where we bought our 2020 Explorer ST has 4 F-150's, a Mustang or two and that's it. Nothing else with an ICE. There's one Mach-E in the show room.
Ford is doomed.
Ford will be in bankruptcy within the next 5 years. They're dumping a billion, yes billion dollars into a fab plant down the road in Glendale, KY. It will produce batteries. For all the EV's Ford thinks it's going to sell. There's a sister plant in TN that will manufacture something else for EV's. Probably another billion dumped into that as well.
The local Ford dealer where we bought our 2020 Explorer ST has 4 F-150's, a Mustang or two and that's it. Nothing else with an ICE. There's one Mach-E in the show room.
Ford is doomed.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (Q4IgG)
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Most shippers will cut that freight rate by a quarter. I've been told that the maximum hauling weight is only about 30k pounds
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
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What's the range in the winter?
Cuz physics is a cruel bitch.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
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What's the range in the winter?
Cuz physics is a cruel bitch.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:53 AM (spZJg)
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Gov. Newsome will take care of it. The state is mandating that 50 percent of all cars by 2030 MUST be EV's and by 2035 ALL cars must be EV's!! Same in some other states like Washington, New York, etc. Might not have the electrical power, but we will have shiny new EV's.
Posted by: Colin
People say there's no way they can force that. Pffffffft. Easy peasy. #1. They don't allow ICE vehicles to register. #2. Any ICE VEHICLE caught on the road is impounded. & #3. Gasoline is banned from being sold.
At that point, though, Objection 223 should come into play.
Posted by: Colin
People say there's no way they can force that. Pffffffft. Easy peasy. #1. They don't allow ICE vehicles to register. #2. Any ICE VEHICLE caught on the road is impounded. & #3. Gasoline is banned from being sold.
At that point, though, Objection 223 should come into play.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:53 AM (IV8Hw)
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rickb, a better way is to hear Feliciano's song as "Police Have Your Dad". You'll never be able to hear the melody without those lyrics again. Old retired cop told me that one. It's classic.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:53 AM (OTzUX)
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2022 11:53 AM (T4tVD)
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I've been told that the maximum hauling weight is only about 30k pounds
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (flINI)
Wow. That sucks.
UPS and FedEx might be able to get away with that kind of shitty capacity because they haul light loads.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:51 AM (flINI)
Wow. That sucks.
UPS and FedEx might be able to get away with that kind of shitty capacity because they haul light loads.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (XIJ/X)
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“Transformers: Rise of the Beasts” Director Says Film Will “Tell a Story About [Black & Latin] Culture”
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They're story never gets told.
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They're story never gets told.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (FVME7)
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Electric trucks might make good yard movers or local last mile delivery. But the idea that they are going to be cross country haulers is stupid. They need battery powered trains for that.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
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What? Using different technologies with different advantages in different parts of the chain where they have differing requirements?
BURN THE HERETIC!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
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What? Using different technologies with different advantages in different parts of the chain where they have differing requirements?
BURN THE HERETIC!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (t0OGg)
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270 178
'impose martial law on Baltimore '
Hell. We should do that now.
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Lincoln's order was the level the place if they seceded. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city to encourage union. This is what is know as nudge.
'impose martial law on Baltimore '
Hell. We should do that now.
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Lincoln's order was the level the place if they seceded. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city to encourage union. This is what is know as nudge.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (4vi12)
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263 Gov. Newsome will take care of it. The state is mandating that 50 percent of all cars by 2030 MUST be EV's and by 2035 ALL cars must be EV's!! Same in some other states like Washington, New York, etc. Might not have the electrical power, but we will have shiny new EV's.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
Opportunity for the car market to resemble Cuba's.
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Opportunity for Reno, Vegas, Medford car dealerships.
Have I regaled you folks about the dotcom era boom for the Oregon economy? No sales tax, and CA did not charge use tax if something had been 'licensed and in use' outside the state for 90 days.
Some of us peons just did BMW Euro Delivery - which was licensed in Der Vaterland right away - then deferred the delivery for a few weeks.
But the ballers had their Gulfstreams and yachts sent to Oregon shell companies to sit for three months before they came south.
CA changed the laws since then, but I'm sure there's ways to game Gavin's EV bullcrap
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2022 11:37 AM (zJY/j)
Opportunity for the car market to resemble Cuba's.
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Opportunity for Reno, Vegas, Medford car dealerships.
Have I regaled you folks about the dotcom era boom for the Oregon economy? No sales tax, and CA did not charge use tax if something had been 'licensed and in use' outside the state for 90 days.
Some of us peons just did BMW Euro Delivery - which was licensed in Der Vaterland right away - then deferred the delivery for a few weeks.
But the ballers had their Gulfstreams and yachts sent to Oregon shell companies to sit for three months before they came south.
CA changed the laws since then, but I'm sure there's ways to game Gavin's EV bullcrap
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (8erNz)
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I'll make a not so hard prediction:
Ford will be in bankruptcy within the next 5 years. They're dumping a billion, yes billion dollars into a fab plant down the road in Glendale, KY. It will produce batteries. For all the EV's Ford thinks it's going to sell. There's a sister plant in TN that will manufacture something else for EV's. Probably another billion dumped into that as well.
The local Ford dealer where we bought our 2020 Explorer ST has 4 F-150's, a Mustang or two and that's it. Nothing else with an ICE. There's one Mach-E in the show room.
Ford is doomed.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (Q4IgG)
Kinda like when ol' henry spent a shit ton of cash in S. America to open a rubber farm for his tires, then they came out with synthetic rubber and really put it in his ass.
Ford will be in bankruptcy within the next 5 years. They're dumping a billion, yes billion dollars into a fab plant down the road in Glendale, KY. It will produce batteries. For all the EV's Ford thinks it's going to sell. There's a sister plant in TN that will manufacture something else for EV's. Probably another billion dumped into that as well.
The local Ford dealer where we bought our 2020 Explorer ST has 4 F-150's, a Mustang or two and that's it. Nothing else with an ICE. There's one Mach-E in the show room.
Ford is doomed.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2022 11:52 AM (Q4IgG)
Kinda like when ol' henry spent a shit ton of cash in S. America to open a rubber farm for his tires, then they came out with synthetic rubber and really put it in his ass.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (VwHCD)
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281 I do not know if EVs will dominate or not, but I am not fazed by the failure of GM, Ford, VW, et al to develop a successful EV. Tesla is the market leader by a mile, and from what I hear from people who have made money evaluating engineering in the mass market, it is due to superior innovative engineering.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (oVJIF)
2022 Chevy Malibu costs around 27k. 2022 Tesla Model 3 costs 47k. Assuming it's not a long range version.
People need cars to get them from place A to B reliably and affordability is a major consideration.
This is without getting into the much more serious infrastructure issues.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (oVJIF)
2022 Chevy Malibu costs around 27k. 2022 Tesla Model 3 costs 47k. Assuming it's not a long range version.
People need cars to get them from place A to B reliably and affordability is a major consideration.
This is without getting into the much more serious infrastructure issues.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (eYoxG)
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And of course there's always Mannheim Steamroller. Chip Davis's sweet, almost mournful, instrumental rendition of Silent Night still brings me to tears. Especially when I think about my dad, and how much I miss him.
Posted by: Caiwyn at December 09, 2022
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Steamroller's version of "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen" is exciting and great to drive to!
(Is it "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen," or "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen"? I'd think the first. I dunno how you can rest in a merry fashion.)
Posted by: Caiwyn at December 09, 2022
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Steamroller's version of "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen" is exciting and great to drive to!
(Is it "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen," or "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen"? I'd think the first. I dunno how you can rest in a merry fashion.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (J2vNu)
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Buck Throckmorton: It's amazing to me that you and I are both looking at the same news stories and your conclusions are the exact opposite of my conclusions.
What I see in the news is that most of the companies working on self-driving cars are giving up, but Tesla isn't. There's a couple others that aren't giving up either, but Tesla is the one that is close to actually solving the problem.
If you want to tell me that self-driving cars are impossible, does that mean you think it's impossible for a computer to beat a human chess master at chess, or a human Go master at Go? Spoiler alert: AI now beats humans at those games, but in the early days did not. At some point AI got there. The key is having enough training data.
As for electric cars being practical? For most people who live in a house, electric cars are already practical. mrs_jack and I love ours. We live in an area where gas is expensive and electricity isn't, and it's literally five times as expensive to buy gas than to put electricity in our car at home. The cost of the cars themselves will drop pretty soon and even Morons may start to be interested.
What I see in the news is that most of the companies working on self-driving cars are giving up, but Tesla isn't. There's a couple others that aren't giving up either, but Tesla is the one that is close to actually solving the problem.
If you want to tell me that self-driving cars are impossible, does that mean you think it's impossible for a computer to beat a human chess master at chess, or a human Go master at Go? Spoiler alert: AI now beats humans at those games, but in the early days did not. At some point AI got there. The key is having enough training data.
As for electric cars being practical? For most people who live in a house, electric cars are already practical. mrs_jack and I love ours. We live in an area where gas is expensive and electricity isn't, and it's literally five times as expensive to buy gas than to put electricity in our car at home. The cost of the cars themselves will drop pretty soon and even Morons may start to be interested.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (57l0O)
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Most shippers will cut that freight rate by a quarter. I've been told that the maximum hauling weight is only about 30k pounds
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
No, they won't. That expensive assed truck has to be paid for. Drivers still have to be paid. And a portion of that money had best be earmarked for battery replacement.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
No, they won't. That expensive assed truck has to be paid for. Drivers still have to be paid. And a portion of that money had best be earmarked for battery replacement.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (IV8Hw)
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Amtrak still runs passenger service between DC and New Haven under the wire.
Matt Yglesias was saying on Twitter this morning that Amtrak needs to make a high-speed line between DC and NYC. I am not making this up.
Matt Yglesias was saying on Twitter this morning that Amtrak needs to make a high-speed line between DC and NYC. I am not making this up.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (ZGrMX)
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'Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to Ford's Theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to Ford's Theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:56 AM (flINI)
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2022 11:56 AM (bvH+0)
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Without government interference, EVs remain the niche they are now. Removing much of the government interference already burdening ICE vehicles, EVs end up with an even smaller niche.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:56 AM (OTzUX)
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I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
Posted by: Ultra pj at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM
Some blogger did the math on the amount of gasoline saved by EV's and then all of the govmint money involved and came up with a number of $23.00 for every gallon of gas saved.
I wonder how much taxpayer capital went to these foolish efforts at EVs and autonomous vehicles.
Posted by: Ultra pj at December 09, 2022 11:34 AM
Some blogger did the math on the amount of gasoline saved by EV's and then all of the govmint money involved and came up with a number of $23.00 for every gallon of gas saved.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2022 11:56 AM (enJYY)
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So it looks like the Tesla Semi has two options, one with a potential 300 mile range, and one with a potential 500 mile range.
Musk said 80% of their types of trips are 250 miles or fewer, so in the winter the 300 mile truck won't be able to make it without stopping, and the more expensive 500 mile range one won't be able to drive away once it gets to its destination.
Musk said 80% of their types of trips are 250 miles or fewer, so in the winter the 300 mile truck won't be able to make it without stopping, and the more expensive 500 mile range one won't be able to drive away once it gets to its destination.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (spZJg)
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It's not Christmas until the shitter's full!
Posted by: Cousin Eddie at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (4I/2K)
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I read one study from a guy who claimed that if every ICE vehicle in the US was replaced with an equivalent EV we would need to nearly double the grid capacity. Not sure if that is accurate but there almost 300,000,000 ICE vehicles in the US so it's gonna take a tremendous upgrade and overhaul of the grid to power those cars and that is physically not possible by 2030.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (uNylN)
And a lot of the piece parts, and even major components, are made in PRC.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 11:49 AM (uNylN)
And a lot of the piece parts, and even major components, are made in PRC.
Posted by: Fox2! at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (qyH+l)
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Just took delivery of our second MachE yesterday. Could give a shit about the climate hoax, these things are just more fun and better vehicles for commuting.
My commute is only a few miles,. My co worker, who commutes 50+ miles a day would benefit from the savings of these cars. He drive ICE because he "can not afford one". He would save more in fuel that it would cost to buy a Bolt.
The hesitation alludes me, guess people like pumping gas.
My commute is only a few miles,. My co worker, who commutes 50+ miles a day would benefit from the savings of these cars. He drive ICE because he "can not afford one". He would save more in fuel that it would cost to buy a Bolt.
The hesitation alludes me, guess people like pumping gas.
Posted by: Garyfl at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (xhiNd)
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If you want to tell me that self-driving cars are impossible, does that mean you think it's impossible for a computer to beat a human chess master at chess, or a human Go master at Go? Spoiler alert: AI now beats humans at those games, but in the early days did not. At some point AI got there. The key is having enough training data.
Impending crash. You have one second or less to decide. You can do it from past experience. AI has to run thru a list of all variables. Can it do it in under a second?
Impending crash. You have one second or less to decide. You can do it from past experience. AI has to run thru a list of all variables. Can it do it in under a second?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (IV8Hw)
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I do not know if EVs will dominate or not, but I am not fazed by the failure of GM, Ford, VW, et al to develop a successful EV
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It's weird, but it's almost like no one wants them.
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It's weird, but it's almost like no one wants them.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 11:58 AM (spZJg)
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Film Will “Tell a Story About [Black & Latin] Culture”
If you're going to tell a story about Latin culture you'd best start with the Italians. But the Marxist propaganda parrots never make the connection, that their sacred Brown people carry a moniker that was born in the roots of Western Civ.
If you're going to tell a story about Latin culture you'd best start with the Italians. But the Marxist propaganda parrots never make the connection, that their sacred Brown people carry a moniker that was born in the roots of Western Civ.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2022 11:58 AM (2rnaS)
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Ah, mr jack, the up-market replacement for Xiden. With a jauntier, but still completely alternative reality, pitch for EVs.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2022 11:58 AM (OTzUX)
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What's the fun of buying an EV if they start letting poor people buy them?
I'm still pissed off they let them on my roads.
I'm still pissed off they let them on my roads.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 11:58 AM (/BlEx)
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And a lot of the piece parts, and even major components, are made in PRC.
Everything is made in PRC. That ship sailed when Clinton signed MFN for them.
Everything is made in PRC. That ship sailed when Clinton signed MFN for them.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)
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'Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to Ford's Theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:56 AM (flINI)
Oliver Stone just popped a boner.
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to Ford's Theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 11:56 AM (flINI)
Oliver Stone just popped a boner.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (UQUAY)
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'impose martial law on Baltimore '
Hell. We should do that now.
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Lincoln's order was the level the place if they seceded. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city to encourage union. This is what is know as nudge.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (4vi12)
Balitmore like New York has long been a Democrat stronghold, though both cities are if anything even bluer than they were back then.
'impose martial law on Baltimore '
Hell. We should do that now.
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Lincoln's order was the level the place if they seceded. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city to encourage union. This is what is know as nudge.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 11:54 AM (4vi12)
Balitmore like New York has long been a Democrat stronghold, though both cities are if anything even bluer than they were back then.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (eYoxG)
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Just took delivery of our second MachE yesterday. Could give a shit about the climate hoax, these things are just more fun and better vehicles for commuting.
My commute is only a few miles,. My co worker, who commutes 50+ miles a day would benefit from the savings of these cars. He drive ICE because he "can not afford one". He would save more in fuel that it would cost to buy a Bolt.
The hesitation alludes me, guess people like pumping gas.
Posted by: Garyfl
I drive 180 miles a day driveway to driveway. No side trips. All weather. Limited range IS a consideration. A huge consideration.
My commute is only a few miles,. My co worker, who commutes 50+ miles a day would benefit from the savings of these cars. He drive ICE because he "can not afford one". He would save more in fuel that it would cost to buy a Bolt.
The hesitation alludes me, guess people like pumping gas.
Posted by: Garyfl
I drive 180 miles a day driveway to driveway. No side trips. All weather. Limited range IS a consideration. A huge consideration.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (IV8Hw)
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Impending crash. You have one second or less to decide. You can do it from past experience. AI has to run thru a list of all variables. Can it do it in under a second?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (IV8Hw)
You seem stressed, rickb. Would you like a stress pill?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:57 AM (IV8Hw)
You seem stressed, rickb. Would you like a stress pill?
Posted by: HAL9000, one second before the crash at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (PiwSw)
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Impending crash. You have one second or less to decide. You can do it from past experience. AI has to run thru a list of all variables. Can it do it in under a second?
Watch some YT dashcam compilations and you'll stop thinking humans are capable of driving.
Watch some YT dashcam compilations and you'll stop thinking humans are capable of driving.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)
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>JFK had a secretary with the last name 'Lincoln'. Guess what Lincoln's secretary's last name was?
McGillicuddy
McGillicuddy
Posted by: DB at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (geLO8)
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Ford is doomed.
I'm hearing bad things from friends there.
They are betting everything on a future that's not going to happen. They're kicking Ford Blue guys out the door.
I'm hearing bad things from friends there.
They are betting everything on a future that's not going to happen. They're kicking Ford Blue guys out the door.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (8erNz)
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My commute is only a few miles,. My co worker, who commutes 50+ miles a day would benefit from the savings of these cars. He drive ICE because he "can not afford one". He would save more in fuel that it would cost to buy a Bolt.
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He might save more in fuel, but he'd still be spending a bunch of money to buy a micro-car that can function as little more than a commuter.
A four door truck makes a lot more sense if you are only going to own one vehicle.
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He might save more in fuel, but he'd still be spending a bunch of money to buy a micro-car that can function as little more than a commuter.
A four door truck makes a lot more sense if you are only going to own one vehicle.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (spZJg)
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It would be interesting to see data on tire wear on EVs.
Posted by: GigantorX
On commercial grade EV vehicles, the tire life is less than half, compared to ICE.
Posted by: GigantorX
On commercial grade EV vehicles, the tire life is less than half, compared to ICE.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (lTGtQ)
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I read one study from a guy who claimed that if every ICE vehicle in the US was replaced with an equivalent EV we would need to nearly double the grid capacity.
If you electrify every building in the US, and electrify every vehicle, that would double electrical demand. This is the future that environmentalists are demanding.
It would also collapse US living standards, but that's just a detail.
If you electrify every building in the US, and electrify every vehicle, that would double electrical demand. This is the future that environmentalists are demanding.
It would also collapse US living standards, but that's just a detail.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (KCOCK)
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Ever notice that the dudes who buy old police cruisers look like dudes who have spent time riding in the back seat of said cruisers?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (UQUAY)
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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to Ford's Theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
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The 1961 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible in which Kennedy was assassinated was assembled by Ford Motor Company at its Lincoln plant.
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The 1961 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible in which Kennedy was assassinated was assembled by Ford Motor Company at its Lincoln plant.
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (PnkSq)
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Ben Shapiro's one saving grace (other than his sister) was to dub Yglesias as the Ralph Wiggum of the left.
Ben Shapiro's one saving grace (other than his sister) was to dub Yglesias as the Ralph Wiggum of the left.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (q3iUt)
Posted by: DB at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (geLO8)
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Electric trucks might make good yard movers or local last mile delivery. But the idea that they are going to be cross country haulers is stupid. They need battery powered trains for that.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
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What? Using different technologies with different advantages in different parts of the chain where they have differing requirements?
BURN THE HERETIC!
Go to pretty much any retirement community now and they're full of battery powered golf carts. That's great. It's a good solution to a problem. That doesn't mean it's a good solution to every problem.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 09, 2022 11:41 AM (+hI+T)
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What? Using different technologies with different advantages in different parts of the chain where they have differing requirements?
BURN THE HERETIC!
Go to pretty much any retirement community now and they're full of battery powered golf carts. That's great. It's a good solution to a problem. That doesn't mean it's a good solution to every problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (eOEVl)
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The hesitation alludes me, guess people like pumping gas.
Posted by: Garyfl
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FWIW, it is pretty badass to be able to make a 1000 mile trip with only 15 or so minutes of total downtime if you need to.
Posted by: Garyfl
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FWIW, it is pretty badass to be able to make a 1000 mile trip with only 15 or so minutes of total downtime if you need to.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (spZJg)
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Oliver Stone just popped a boner.
Given what we know now about the feral government and its 3-letter agencies, all conspiracy theories are back on the table.
Given what we know now about the feral government and its 3-letter agencies, all conspiracy theories are back on the table.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (ZGrMX)
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. The cost of the cars themselves will drop pretty soon and even Morons may start to be interested.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM
I have heard that same line for about the last 10 years concerning electric cars. New battery technology is always "just around the corner" and prices will come down in line with the average ICE car price. So far it has not come true. Not saying it wont in the future, but we have been told the same thing year after year.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM
I have heard that same line for about the last 10 years concerning electric cars. New battery technology is always "just around the corner" and prices will come down in line with the average ICE car price. So far it has not come true. Not saying it wont in the future, but we have been told the same thing year after year.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (uNylN)
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No, they won't. That expensive assed truck has to be paid for. Drivers still have to be paid. And a portion of that money had best be earmarked for battery replacement.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (IV8Hw)
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Yes they will. Most shippers, if able, will cram shit into the trailer to get as close to 45,000 as possible to take full advantage of their freight rate
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (IV8Hw)
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Yes they will. Most shippers, if able, will cram shit into the trailer to get as close to 45,000 as possible to take full advantage of their freight rate
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 12:02 PM (flINI)
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336 Ever notice that the dudes who buy old police cruisers look like dudes who have spent time riding in the back seat of said cruisers?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (UQUAY)
"That's what I said to Elwood!"
- Joliet Jake Blues
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (UQUAY)
"That's what I said to Elwood!"
- Joliet Jake Blues
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 09, 2022 12:02 PM (BTgKJ)
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He would save more in fuel that it would cost to buy a Bolt.
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Or maybe he doesn't want a car that will burn his house down and they don't let in parking garages.
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Or maybe he doesn't want a car that will burn his house down and they don't let in parking garages.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 12:02 PM (Y5qcH)
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... If you want to tell me that self-driving cars are impossible, does that mean you think it's impossible for a computer to beat a human chess master at chess, or a human Go master at Go? Spoiler alert: AI now beats humans at those games, but in the early days did not. At some point AI got there. The key is having enough training data. ...
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (57l0O)
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This is a poor comparison. Games have fixed rules and moves and outcomes can be calculated out and gamed across various possibilities. The faster you can calculate those moves out into the future - and the possibility of all moves is known in advance, which is key - the more likely you are to win.
When randomness enters the equation - and the real world is random as hell, and full of edge cases - things change. Take the classic game "Tetris," for example. When you have just four possibilities with constrained movements and a predictive factor of 1 (the next piece), the computer is no better than the skilled human player if you control for reaction time.
The real world of organic motion, independent agents, etc. is *much* less constrained than that.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 11:55 AM (57l0O)
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This is a poor comparison. Games have fixed rules and moves and outcomes can be calculated out and gamed across various possibilities. The faster you can calculate those moves out into the future - and the possibility of all moves is known in advance, which is key - the more likely you are to win.
When randomness enters the equation - and the real world is random as hell, and full of edge cases - things change. Take the classic game "Tetris," for example. When you have just four possibilities with constrained movements and a predictive factor of 1 (the next piece), the computer is no better than the skilled human player if you control for reaction time.
The real world of organic motion, independent agents, etc. is *much* less constrained than that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 12:02 PM (t0OGg)
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I read one study from a guy who claimed that if every ICE vehicle in the US was replaced with an equivalent EV we would need to nearly double the grid capacity.
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It's no big secret that, electricity-wise, adding one EV to your house is essentially the same as adding another house to your existing house.
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It's no big secret that, electricity-wise, adding one EV to your house is essentially the same as adding another house to your existing house.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:02 PM (spZJg)
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The hesitation alludes me, guess people like pumping gas.
Ya know, if you're going to deploy snark around here, you're well advised to know punctuation and spelling. The word you're struggling with is elude, not allude.
Ya know, if you're going to deploy snark around here, you're well advised to know punctuation and spelling. The word you're struggling with is elude, not allude.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (eOEVl)
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"Don’t forget, the EV transition is part of the overall war on reliable carbon-based energy, but EV manufacturing is energy intense, so when the dust settles, it ultimately means there will be no cars, no jobs, and no energy."
This not a bug, rather, it is the central feature. EVs are a perfect solution if one envisions a future where a select few have access to and benefit disproportionately from advanced technology.
This not a bug, rather, it is the central feature. EVs are a perfect solution if one envisions a future where a select few have access to and benefit disproportionately from advanced technology.
Posted by: Lost in Space at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (c1mVn)
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Given what we know now about the feral government and its 3-letter agencies, all conspiracy theories are back on the table.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (ZGrMX)
Yup. I am learning that The X-Files was a documentary.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 12:01 PM (ZGrMX)
Yup. I am learning that The X-Files was a documentary.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (UQUAY)
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'Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse; Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse; Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (flINI)
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'Ever notice that the dudes who buy old police cruisers look like dudes who have spent time riding in the back seat of said cruisers?'
We're on a mission from God.
'Ever notice that the dudes who buy old police cruisers look like dudes who have spent time riding in the back seat of said cruisers?'
We're on a mission from God.
Posted by: Elwood Blues at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (q3iUt)
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Balitmore like New York has long been a Democrat stronghold, though both cities are if anything even bluer than they were back then.
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NYC's archtype is Dutch - Laissez-faire - Presbyterian. Baltimore is a mix of Anglican and Catholic. Both are now dumpster fires.
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NYC's archtype is Dutch - Laissez-faire - Presbyterian. Baltimore is a mix of Anglican and Catholic. Both are now dumpster fires.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (4vi12)
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It would also collapse US living standards, but that's just a detail.
I keep saying this, but that's the goal. People arguing the deficiencies of EVs or the power grid or lithium mining aren't in the same state as the target.
I keep saying this, but that's the goal. People arguing the deficiencies of EVs or the power grid or lithium mining aren't in the same state as the target.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (ZGrMX)
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Boothe was sic semper fabulous IYKWIM.
Posted by: BourbonChicken
No weedwhavker, huh ?
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2022 11:53 AM (T4tVD)
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Its never too early to consider puberty blockers for your child!
Posted by: BourbonChicken
No weedwhavker, huh ?
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2022 11:53 AM (T4tVD)
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Its never too early to consider puberty blockers for your child!
Posted by: Dr Mudd at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (anj39)
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Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. One of Batman's enemies is Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot. And Obama smoked a lot of pot.
Eerie, isn't it?
Eerie, isn't it?
Posted by: Wally at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (FJYfm)
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drive whatever the fuck you want to drive this is america still
Posted by: nckate at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (0R0Vd)
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Ever notice that the dudes who buy old police cruisers look like dudes who have spent time riding in the back seat of said cruisers?
Posted by: Pug Mahon
Most of the retired old guys are the ones that drove them on the job. And they can't give the life up so they take a security job where they can drive around in the old Crown Vic.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
Most of the retired old guys are the ones that drove them on the job. And they can't give the life up so they take a security job where they can drive around in the old Crown Vic.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (IV8Hw)
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It is possible to use the best part of EV and the best part of ICE, but without government interference. Any other scenario fails.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I would agree. Utopian ideas come a cropper and the rather illogical all or nothing fallacy is something people should always guard against. Most problems have more than two options or two solutions.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I would agree. Utopian ideas come a cropper and the rather illogical all or nothing fallacy is something people should always guard against. Most problems have more than two options or two solutions.
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (bDjBG)
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Oh lookie, the snobs show up.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (KyYMq)
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I drive 180 miles a day driveway to driveway. No side trips. All weather. Limited range IS a consideration. A huge consideration.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (IV8Hw)
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Why, it's almost like variety and market selection are superior to dictatorial one-size-fits all rules handed down from on high by corrupt bureaucrats.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 11:59 AM (IV8Hw)
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Why, it's almost like variety and market selection are superior to dictatorial one-size-fits all rules handed down from on high by corrupt bureaucrats.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (t0OGg)
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Electric vehicles are even becoming practical for heavy transportation. Tesla has shipped the first Tesla Semi trucks to Pepsi, and Tesla tested one by hauling a full load 500 miles on real highways including hills. A loaded semi (truck, trailer, and cargo) can't weigh over 80,000 pounds; the US government modified this and said that electric semis can have an extra 2,000 pounds. Tesla loaded cargo and the total weight was 81,000 pounds. So a Tesla Semi can haul serious weight.
The above implies that when Tesla ships their pickup truck, it will actually be able to tow things (unlike the Ford electric pickup truck).
When I look at the data on electric car sales, what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars. This should scare GM and VW and the others.
The big winners are going to be Tesla and the various Chinese electric car makers.
As for Europe: dumb energy policy is dumb and has consequences. The USA may have an idiot in the White House and a useless Congress overall but we have enough energy to build battery factories and run cars.
Sorry but I have to go now and can't respond in this thread.
The above implies that when Tesla ships their pickup truck, it will actually be able to tow things (unlike the Ford electric pickup truck).
When I look at the data on electric car sales, what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars. This should scare GM and VW and the others.
The big winners are going to be Tesla and the various Chinese electric car makers.
As for Europe: dumb energy policy is dumb and has consequences. The USA may have an idiot in the White House and a useless Congress overall but we have enough energy to build battery factories and run cars.
Sorry but I have to go now and can't respond in this thread.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (57l0O)
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Let's say that McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's et al decided to stop selling burgers. Does that means burgers go away?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!
No, it means McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's go away.
Let's say that McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's et al decided to stop selling burgers. Does that means burgers go away?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!
No, it means McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's go away.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (spZJg)
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If self driving vehicles are going to "be a thing" then this is where it will be worked out:
indyautonomouschallenge dot com
indyautonomouschallenge dot com
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (Q4IgG)
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Having been involved with the google autonomous vehicle work a step removed - yeah that shit isn't going to fly.
Normies don't realize most of big tech is a giant rotting pile of outsourcing and incompetence coasting along on having gotten there first, and securing their position with rent seeking, bribery, regulatory capture, and political cloak and dagger shit.
One Tesla almost killed us twice in 20 minutes a few months ago because the retard "driver" was using autopilot in a mountain pass and it kept slamming on the brakes due to construction speed signs that weren't legit (work had wrapped up but the sign covers blew off)
Normies don't realize most of big tech is a giant rotting pile of outsourcing and incompetence coasting along on having gotten there first, and securing their position with rent seeking, bribery, regulatory capture, and political cloak and dagger shit.
One Tesla almost killed us twice in 20 minutes a few months ago because the retard "driver" was using autopilot in a mountain pass and it kept slamming on the brakes due to construction speed signs that weren't legit (work had wrapped up but the sign covers blew off)
Posted by: somedood at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (HMWox)
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332 "Ford is doomed. I'm hearing bad things from friends there..."
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (8erNz)
My brother (age 70) just left Ford a few months ago. He retired about 5 years ago and returned as a contract employee because he was the only one who understood a computer system they were going to phase out 15 years ago.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 12:00 PM (8erNz)
My brother (age 70) just left Ford a few months ago. He retired about 5 years ago and returned as a contract employee because he was the only one who understood a computer system they were going to phase out 15 years ago.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
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328 Just took delivery of our second MachE yesterday. Could give a shit about the climate hoax, these things are just more fun and better vehicles for commuting.
Mach E. Interesting bit of mechanicals. Permanent-magnet motors at both ends. Can't cut the induction motor off for cruise range like Tesla does.
Another thing Tesla got right was keeping the battery thin. So you could build a car that looks like an S or a 3. Also, oddly, the mass-of-18650 (now 2070) batteries actually provide more thorough cooling of the cell pack. The Ford Mach E battery is ginormous, makes the vehichle much taller than it needs to be.
Mach E. Interesting bit of mechanicals. Permanent-magnet motors at both ends. Can't cut the induction motor off for cruise range like Tesla does.
Another thing Tesla got right was keeping the battery thin. So you could build a car that looks like an S or a 3. Also, oddly, the mass-of-18650 (now 2070) batteries actually provide more thorough cooling of the cell pack. The Ford Mach E battery is ginormous, makes the vehichle much taller than it needs to be.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (8erNz)
370
New battery technology is always "just around the corner"
Battery technology is like Brazil - it will have a great future, and will always have a great future. The present, not so much.
Batteries are getting better incrementally, but to eliminate fossil fuels, batteries have to get a lot better, so it is just assumed that that will happen.
Battery technology is like Brazil - it will have a great future, and will always have a great future. The present, not so much.
Batteries are getting better incrementally, but to eliminate fossil fuels, batteries have to get a lot better, so it is just assumed that that will happen.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (KCOCK)
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (spZJg)
372
"When I look at the data on electric car sales, what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars."
Now that's funny shit right there.
Now that's funny shit right there.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (Y5qcH)
373
drive whatever the fuck you want to drive this is america still
Posted by: nckate
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In name only.
And what little freedom we have left is quickly dissipating.
Posted by: nckate
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In name only.
And what little freedom we have left is quickly dissipating.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (KyYMq)
374
167... that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
Just like the wind farm south of here. Once it was built, there were no transmission lines to take it to the city.
[guffaw]
[wipes eyes]
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
Just like the wind farm south of here. Once it was built, there were no transmission lines to take it to the city.
[guffaw]
[wipes eyes]
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at December 09, 2022 12:06 PM (Rbu5d)
375
When I look at the data on electric car sales, what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars. This should scare GM and VW and the others.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (57l0O)
EV sales have reached 6.1% of US auto sales in Q3 2022. So close to 50% that the EV believers can practically taste it.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 12:04 PM (57l0O)
EV sales have reached 6.1% of US auto sales in Q3 2022. So close to 50% that the EV believers can practically taste it.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2022 12:06 PM (eYoxG)
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My brother (age 70) just left Ford a few months ago. He retired about 5 years ago and returned as a contract employee because he was the only one who understood a computer system they were going to phase out 15 years ago.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
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I hope he made bank. We had a couple of those guys at a company I used to work for (finance), and they could have worn clothing woven out of gold thread if they wanted to.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
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I hope he made bank. We had a couple of those guys at a company I used to work for (finance), and they could have worn clothing woven out of gold thread if they wanted to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 12:06 PM (t0OGg)
377
non nood calling bastards
Posted by: nckate at December 09, 2022 12:07 PM (0R0Vd)
378
"Don’t forget, the EV transition is part of the overall war on reliable carbon-based energy, but EV manufacturing is energy intense, so when the dust settles, it ultimately means there will be no cars, no jobs, and no energy."
When Reagan was president, we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs and Bob Hope.
With Biden president, we have no cash, no jobs and no hope!
When Reagan was president, we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs and Bob Hope.
With Biden president, we have no cash, no jobs and no hope!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2022 12:07 PM (IV8Hw)
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'what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars. '
Only way this happens is if the government makes people do it.
That's the whole problem the EV enthusiasts refuse to admit.
'what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars. '
Only way this happens is if the government makes people do it.
That's the whole problem the EV enthusiasts refuse to admit.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 12:07 PM (q3iUt)
380
'Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse; Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (flINI)
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And Skeeter Davis had the #2 hit of 1963 with "The End of the World."
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Booth ran from a theater and was caught in a warehouse; Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 12:03 PM (flINI)
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And Skeeter Davis had the #2 hit of 1963 with "The End of the World."
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2022 12:07 PM (anj39)
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EV sales have reached 6.1% of US auto sales in Q3 2022. So close to 50% that the EV believers can practically taste it.
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They almost broke 5% sales in California, where social, political, financial, and weather conditions are ideal, and where men with guns will throw you in jail if you don't sell X number of them.
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They almost broke 5% sales in California, where social, political, financial, and weather conditions are ideal, and where men with guns will throw you in jail if you don't sell X number of them.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:08 PM (spZJg)
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"When I look at the data on electric car sales, what I see is that in the near future electric cars are going to start outselling fossil fuel cars."
...If you measure 'near future' in geologic terms.
...If you measure 'near future' in geologic terms.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 12:08 PM (lTGtQ)
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Lincoln was shot and killed in a Ford and Kennedy was shot and killed in a Lincoln.'
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Both of the presidents' successors were named Johnson and born in '08
COINCIDENCE?
Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2022 11:44 AM (q3iUt)
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Both of the presidents' successors were named Johnson and born in '08
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at December 09, 2022 12:08 PM (flINI)
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I know I’m in the minority here, but my family have been beta testers for Waymo (Google owned) autonomous vehicles in Tempe, AZ for four years. We use them often. Order one up like an Uber, car shows up in minutes, my phone unlocks it and I get in the back, it drives me where I want to go anywhere in the city. Cheap and easy. Then I have my gas guzzler Bronco Sasquatch for 4x4 fun in the AZ wilderness, and a 55mpg Toyota Camry for a daily driver. There is a place for autonomous, and it is improving in leaps and bounds. I’ve directly experienced it.
Posted by: MostlyRight at December 09, 2022 12:09 PM (9aCoN)
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The Tesla semi is designed to get containers from Long Beach to the railhead a couple times a day. It's not going to do over-the-road work.
Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2022 12:09 PM (8erNz)
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Posted by: gdgm+ at December 09, 2022 12:09 PM (09OuD)
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I hope he made bank. We had a couple of those guys at a company I used to work for (finance), and they could have worn clothing woven out of gold thread if they wanted to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 12:06 PM (t0OGg)
I told him that same thing when he was first contacted by his old boss, but he didn't believe me. He got stuck at $85/hour, but he worked remotely for the whole time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2022 12:06 PM (t0OGg)
I told him that same thing when he was first contacted by his old boss, but he didn't believe me. He got stuck at $85/hour, but he worked remotely for the whole time.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:10 PM (/BlEx)
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The batteries wouldn't be a problem for vast majority if we were fully nuclearizized.
TPTB are intenfionally keeping the lid on a beneficial tech improvement as well as they can.
I am pro oil as well. And steam. And solar. All have their place. Some a tiny niche some wide use.
TPTB are intenfionally keeping the lid on a beneficial tech improvement as well as they can.
I am pro oil as well. And steam. And solar. All have their place. Some a tiny niche some wide use.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 09, 2022 12:10 PM (1ais2)
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323 Ah, mr jack, the up-market replacement for Xiden. With a jauntier, but still completely alternative reality, pitch for EVs.
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The prophets, ye shall always have among you.
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The prophets, ye shall always have among you.
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2022 12:10 PM (bDjBG)
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323 Ah, mr jack, the up-market replacement for Xiden.
At least he didn't host a White House conference on EV's and not invite Tesla, like Xiden did. And call GM the US leader in the field! Holy shit.
At least he didn't host a White House conference on EV's and not invite Tesla, like Xiden did. And call GM the US leader in the field! Holy shit.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2022 12:11 PM (oVJIF)
391
So a "rant" about Evs and no mention of Elon Musk? And his recent Semi tractor trailer demonstration/failure?
Tesla the car makes no money. Tesla the carbon credit seller makes millions. But it has lost over 1/2 its stock price.
Perhaps because we now think Musk is on our side (instead of actually being a fascist in bed with the US and Chinese governments) we won't mention him. But he should be mentioned. The entire reason the EV push is a thing is because of him and his dogshit vehicles.
Tesla the car makes no money. Tesla the carbon credit seller makes millions. But it has lost over 1/2 its stock price.
Perhaps because we now think Musk is on our side (instead of actually being a fascist in bed with the US and Chinese governments) we won't mention him. But he should be mentioned. The entire reason the EV push is a thing is because of him and his dogshit vehicles.
Posted by: OneChinaPoricy at December 09, 2022 12:11 PM (m5kVl)
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And Skeeter Davis had the #2 hit of 1963 with "The End of the World."
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2022
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Skeeter Davis? Man, there has got to be a way to work mosquitoes into the Lincoln-Kennedy assassinations puzzle picture!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2022
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Skeeter Davis? Man, there has got to be a way to work mosquitoes into the Lincoln-Kennedy assassinations puzzle picture!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 12:12 PM (J2vNu)
393
Noodus puppy play luggage
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 09, 2022 12:14 PM (J2vNu)
394
Volkswagen will not only not be building batteries in Germany, they won't be building EVs. And, not only will they not be building EVs in Germany, they won't be building any cars. Germany is finished as a manufacturer.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (lTGtQ)
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Yep, pretty much!
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2022 11:18 AM (lTGtQ)
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Yep, pretty much!
Posted by: Black JEM at December 09, 2022 12:17 PM (UVyKP)
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My brother (age 70) just left Ford a few months ago. He retired about 5 years ago and returned as a contract employee because he was the only one who understood a computer system they were going to phase out 15 years ago.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
And this is the story of *everything* in our modern life. It's rather terrifying.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
And this is the story of *everything* in our modern life. It's rather terrifying.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 09, 2022 12:17 PM (nC+QA)
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Christmas music ? Virtually anything playing on any "Traditional Christmas" channel, regardless of the carrier, be it Pandora, Spotify, Sirius, etc.
Posted by: deadrody at December 09, 2022 12:17 PM (pZxfz)
397
that should have been started a decade ago.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
Which is why I believe we are already into the first steps of a cascade failure of global proportions.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2022 11:28 AM (Y5qcH)
Which is why I believe we are already into the first steps of a cascade failure of global proportions.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 09, 2022 12:20 PM (nC+QA)
398
Hydrogen Cell...
Posted by: Huck Follywo
Hydrogen is such a PITA to deal with that we'll be making liquid hydrocarbons out of the spin off from fissioning the thorium in coal.
Posted by: Huck Follywo
Hydrogen is such a PITA to deal with that we'll be making liquid hydrocarbons out of the spin off from fissioning the thorium in coal.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2022 12:21 PM (FhXTo)
399
The Bing Crosby version of Silent Night he used to end his christmas time radio show, with the choir humming at the end.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 09, 2022 12:22 PM (UVyKP)
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The batteries wouldn't be a problem for vast majority if we were fully nuclearizized.
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Except for the part where the batteries have to be produced.
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Except for the part where the batteries have to be produced.
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:23 PM (spZJg)
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Fully electric car sales in the USA will increase about 50% to 6% this year and are projected to increase 50% in 2023 to 9%
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Yes, we've been discussing this. Please keep up. That's what happens when ICE vehicles are no longer made and outright made illegal.
Shocking!
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Yes, we've been discussing this. Please keep up. That's what happens when ICE vehicles are no longer made and outright made illegal.
Shocking!
Posted by: Change Your Socks Regularly at December 09, 2022 12:24 PM (spZJg)
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Most shippers will cut that freight rate by a quarter. I've been told that the maximum hauling weight is only about 30k pounds
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
Maybe someone can mention that number and then ask KJP how that transfers to the trucking industry's annual ton miles
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
Maybe someone can mention that number and then ask KJP how that transfers to the trucking industry's annual ton miles
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 09, 2022 12:26 PM (yL4dC)
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No, EVs don't exist because of Musk. He's just the only one that's actually made a vehicle - and its charging station - to make them approach viable.
Posted by: deadrody at December 09, 2022 12:27 PM (pZxfz)
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Hell yes, bluegrass. I love Dailey and Vincent.
Posted by: Cal at December 09, 2022 12:31 PM (6TJWS)
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My brother (age 70) just left Ford a few months ago. He retired about 5 years ago and returned as a contract employee because he was the only one who understood a computer system they were going to phase out 15 years ago.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
And this is the story of *everything* in our modern life. It's rather terrifying.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
Gives added insight into the WEF's " you will own nothing and you will like it". We'll own nothing because the economic engine has seized
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2022 12:05 PM (/BlEx)
And this is the story of *everything* in our modern life. It's rather terrifying.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
Gives added insight into the WEF's " you will own nothing and you will like it". We'll own nothing because the economic engine has seized
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 09, 2022 12:31 PM (yL4dC)
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I generally prefer the religious Christmas carols and hymns, but the one song that hits me with instant nostalgia and warm fuzzies is the Bing Crosby version of Silver Bells. Used to love it as a kid when my grandparents would play their Bing Crosby Christmas album on their record player. Grandpa passed two years ago now, and Grandma moved into assisted living, but I have so many dear memories of Christmas at my grandparents' home on their lake. Big dinner, a hoard of cousins and other relatives dropping in. Skating on the lake in the afternoon. Good times.
Posted by: Cal at December 09, 2022 12:36 PM (6TJWS)
407
The EV article did not go into the proportion of EV purchases by government versus by fleet versus by private owners. Plus, everyone knows that the EV market is going to collapse once the tax-incentivised purchasing expires (assuming it's allowed to).
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 09, 2022 01:00 PM (K58O6)
408
Truth is, they never ever in their wildest fever dreams expected the masses to acquire EVs.
The purpose of EVs was and is to justify banning our gas/diesel powered vehicles.
They never wanted us to buy an EV to replace them.
They want to kill us, not to get us to buy a new EV.
Truth is, they never ever in their wildest fever dreams expected the masses to acquire EVs.
The purpose of EVs was and is to justify banning our gas/diesel powered vehicles.
They never wanted us to buy an EV to replace them.
They want to kill us, not to get us to buy a new EV.
Posted by: Speller at December 09, 2022 01:30 PM (pSotA)
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We can talk about freedom and the govt. having a switch to turn off your self-driving car. I thought the lack of sales for self driving car was driven less by that and more by legal pitfalls. A self driving car runs a red light and hits someone, who gets sued? After decades o litigation and legal fees, the answer may be nobody, and that's less than ideal.
Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at December 09, 2022 01:44 PM (jzF6O)
410
I stole a moment to skim the discussion.
#391 You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. In 2021, Tesla had 1.1 billion dollars in profit, and only 350 million of that was due to carbon offset credits. In fact Tesla makes more money per car than any other car company. The legacy car companies are doing well if they make a 9% margin and Tesla is making 30% or even more per car. Add in "full self driving" and their margin would approach 50%. (Right now they are not recognizing the FSD money as revenue, they are just holding it.)
To whoever said we would have to double our electrical grid to adopt EVs: that's just nonsense. To whoever said EVs will somehow reduce our quality of life: more nonsense.
#391 You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. In 2021, Tesla had 1.1 billion dollars in profit, and only 350 million of that was due to carbon offset credits. In fact Tesla makes more money per car than any other car company. The legacy car companies are doing well if they make a 9% margin and Tesla is making 30% or even more per car. Add in "full self driving" and their margin would approach 50%. (Right now they are not recognizing the FSD money as revenue, they are just holding it.)
To whoever said we would have to double our electrical grid to adopt EVs: that's just nonsense. To whoever said EVs will somehow reduce our quality of life: more nonsense.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 02:18 PM (57l0O)
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For many years, the most popular car in Germany was the VW Golf. Now that has been edged out by the Tesla Model Y.
Do you think the German government is trying rig their market to favor Tesla and hurt VW? That would be like Biden doing something that would hurt the UAW.
The Chinese government has set up incentives to encourage its manufacturers to make electric cars. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter... Chinese EV makers are starting to make real cars. And German car makers have historically made lots of money in China and that's ending now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KngBPRfeJd0
As an American I am happy that Tesla is an American company. Tesla is going to be the biggest single company in the world and will have the largest share of the EV market. Various Chinese companies will grab shares as well.
Ford, GM, and others need to get their acts together or they will die. Frankly I think it's too late for GM, they are just going to die. Toyota? Dead. Ford? They divided into two, and their fossil fuel business is doomed also, only their electric side has a chance. Saying this gives me no pleasure.
Do you think the German government is trying rig their market to favor Tesla and hurt VW? That would be like Biden doing something that would hurt the UAW.
The Chinese government has set up incentives to encourage its manufacturers to make electric cars. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter... Chinese EV makers are starting to make real cars. And German car makers have historically made lots of money in China and that's ending now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KngBPRfeJd0
As an American I am happy that Tesla is an American company. Tesla is going to be the biggest single company in the world and will have the largest share of the EV market. Various Chinese companies will grab shares as well.
Ford, GM, and others need to get their acts together or they will die. Frankly I think it's too late for GM, they are just going to die. Toyota? Dead. Ford? They divided into two, and their fossil fuel business is doomed also, only their electric side has a chance. Saying this gives me no pleasure.
Posted by: mr_jack at December 09, 2022 02:25 PM (57l0O)
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You know what would reduce carbon emissions a lot? Throwing 30% of the US population into pits full of specially trained rape dogs, and then filling them with concrete once the dogs have spent their ardor.
I have a certain 30% in mind, but it doesn't matter whom. Greenpeace - call me. 4 da Earf!
I have a certain 30% in mind, but it doesn't matter whom. Greenpeace - call me. 4 da Earf!
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2022 02:32 PM (IXtLx)
413
I don't see what all the hubbub is about. The "earth is on fire and we're all going to die soon". (Rep Porter, D CA) There will be no EVs or humans, forthat matter. Yea?
Posted by: FINGERS at December 09, 2022 02:50 PM (Yr9Y8)
414
God created the greatest motherboard of all, contained in a soccer-sized orb call the cranium. Fed by 5 senses, it can out perform any "autonomous" system dresigned by engineers now or in the future.
Posted by: liz at December 09, 2022 04:48 PM (jGOHJ)
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"Throughout the 2010s, there was a constant stream of breathless articles and news stories reporting that autonomous vehicles were just a couple years away, and that by the early 2020s they would be commonplace, starting to replace human-driven cars in huge numbers."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ueivjr3f8xg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ueivjr3f8xg
Posted by: go get your fuckin shine box at December 09, 2022 07:55 PM (WusEB)
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Posted by: jennifer at December 10, 2022 01:04 AM (8enrO)
417
Trying to reinvent the Edsel
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 10, 2022 01:52 PM (FLiOE)
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May all Lefties buy two or three of these wonders. As for Biden and the tree huggers, invest in these firms, with everything you have, immediately.
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Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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