Gun Thread: First December Edition!

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Saturday Afternoon - Nurse R

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be December?! I mean, just the other day it was August. The weather towards the end of the week kept me from heading to the farm which is a bummer because I need to winterize a bunch of stuff before the really cold weather gets here. Plus, I want to do some shooting!

Want to experience the fame and fortune of having your firearm and target featured in the Gun Thread? Simply take a few photos, write a few words about your day, and send it in. Don't forget to include your nic!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Range Report
First up, out pal and delightful 'ette Screaming in Digital sends in a range report of a recent micro-mini MoMe with 496!

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496 9mm 15 yds

496 and I met at the range in Cheyenne this morning. It was the first time at this range for both of us. They have indoor pistol/.22 lanes, plus 25, 50, and 100 yard outdoor ranges. Each of us put a bunch of rounds through our respective 1911s, then a few in my P365 and his S&W 9mm. 496 shoots pistols very well. I'm still just okay (my targets are omitted due to shame), but this was a better outing than last week.

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496 1911 at 15yds

It was a bit blustery today, but warm enough to hit the 50 yard range for some AR and bolt-action rifle fun. 496 had never shot an AR before. This was really only my second time shooting it, and my first time shooting it without coaching. It's a minor miracle that I remember how it works. And we're in bizarro world if I'm showing someone else how to shoot anything! Thank you WeaselBuddy Geoff and Stinky's Daddy for teaching me how to shoot it in Texas.

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496 and SiD AR Fun

We each shot 10 rounds in the AR. I count all 20 shots on paper, which I feel smug about considering we're both beginners with ARs. Is it worthy of a Holy Shitballs? A few rounds each with 496's bolt-action .22 rounded out a great day.

Holy Shitballs! Holy Shitballs of Fire! Great report SiD and nice shooting 496, thank you very much!

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Guns of the Horde
Next up, our pal Blake buys a 9MM 1911 and takes it to the range. Congratulations, Blake!

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I was wandering though a local pawnshop, when this little gem waived at me and said, "Please take me home." Naturally, I tried to resist the sweet siren song of a 1911 chambered in 9 mm. but, evenutally, I gave in and brought it home. Shortly after I got my purchase home, I completely stripped down the firearm, cleaned and lubricated everything. Without a doubt, this, from a lubrication standpoint, was one of the driest 1911's I've ever come across. After cleaning, the mainspring housing and the slide stop both being an adventure to work with, I took this bad boy to 7 Mile Hill Range for a workout in the steel bay. And, by golly, this little beauty ran flawlessly!

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I decided to also see if there was a noticeable difference between a 1911 in 9 mm and 45 acp. Hmm, there does seem to be somewhat of a difference. But, enough about that, how does the firearm shoot? Quite well, actually, though, at 7 yards, the Springfield was shooting a bit left.

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100 rounds through the Springfield general plinking.

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10K rounds thru the Kimber, various competitions and plinking

By the way, these are not pistol targets, per se. I had a package of targets laying around and just used what I had to see if I could get an idea of how the gun would shoot. After shooting at 7 yards, I decided to take both guns out to 11 yards. Results confirmed the Springfield is definitely shooting left and, well, the Kimber remained good in the center, though, I was dropping shots low. Good enough for a silhouette, but, for these targets, well, they got really small at 11 yards.

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Overall, I'm quite pleased with the purchase, and, the Springfield ran flawlessly, despite the rather mixed bag of ammo I've run through it. I'd also have to say the Springfield is built like a tank, to the point it would probably handle every ounce of pressure I could get out of a 9 mil cartridge. Granted, I'd probably need to get a slightly stiffer recoil spring, but, probably not by much.

Excellent report and nice shooting, Blake, thank you!!

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Next up our pal Blaster continues testing on the 3D printed frame featured in the Gun Thread a few weeks ago.

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Before

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Whoops! Whoopsie-Doodle!

First iteration of blaster's blaster Model 1 is tested to failure. About 300 rounds through it and the frame cracked. It still shoots, but I won't use it again. It was having various feed issues and inspection revealed the crack. Next iteration uses a different filament and I will let you know how it goes.

I think it's the material. You can see the crack goes from a rear rail placement pin toward the hole for the mag retainer. I used a cheaper filament that has some age to it which tends to get more brittle as it is exposed to humidity which is why they sell it vacuum sealed. I am printing a new frame with a brand new roll of filament that is the brand that the "Print Shoot Repeat" guy recommends. Ultimately the printers say if you want to make one that is just as strong as OEM you should use nylon as the filament and then heat treat it in an oven.

Very interesting, blaster. Thank you for the progress report. It will be interesting to see how the different material compares initially and then at different round counts. Please keep the testing reports coming!

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Carry Gun Tidbits
Thoughts on carrying from our pal 'Jer'.

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Flying Guns
This week we take a look at a real classic, the P-47 Thunderbolt.

Win the lottery and decided to get your own P-47? Here is a training video on how to fly it!

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Musical Interlude
Earl Scruggs and Foggy Mountain Breakdown!

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week SEHG discusses the proper mindset needed before you carry.

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Cigar of the Week

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This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Brick House Maduro

The Brick House Maduro, an extension of the Brick House line by the Florida-based company J.C. Newman. Nicaraguan fillers and binder, and a nice deep brown Brazilian maduro wrapper. Like most of the cigars I've liked best so far, pretty simple here: just a nice smooth flavorful smoke. Excellent construction and very even burn, heavy in the hand - densely rolled. Good smoke volume. What are for me the classic maduro notes - dark sweet wood, hint of something like cocoa. Pictured here is the vitola I tried, the toro (6 X 52). I generally stick to robustos and coronas for various reasons, but the local had only the toro. Both the robusto and toro size of this cigar are available online for around $6.

Excellent as always, rhomboid! Thank you!

Bonus Musical Interlude!

Also applies to SEH and CV videos, too!.

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New Cigar Vixen video! New Cigar Vixen video!! This week with a review of the Punch Grand Cru.

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Fungus Boy. Great one and so true!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:01 PM (/lmRp)

2 Bang

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2022 07:01 PM (xhxe8)

3 Hi

Posted by: Ciampino - probably the reason I don't fancy smoked foods at December 04, 2022 07:01 PM (qfLjt)

4 Thank you, Senor Weasel. Back in a bit...

Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 04, 2022 07:01 PM (DzsA0)

5 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 04, 2022 07:01 PM (T4tVD)

6 Evening, Boss, Gummies, et al.

Posted by: RI Red at December 04, 2022 07:02 PM (+5YjI)

7 some nice targets, s i d!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 04, 2022 07:02 PM (j3SBD)

8 * scrolls quickly through thread for WeaselDog appearance *

* sigh of disappointment *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:02 PM (a3Q+t)

9 OK, I have no know information of these printed firearms or materials. But my guess is failure is going to happen %100 of the time eventually.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2022 07:05 PM (xhxe8)

10 Nice work w/ the AR, SID and 496!

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:05 PM (/lmRp)

11 Not first, but here.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 07:06 PM (L3byd)

12 Nice shooting, SiD!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:07 PM (a3Q+t)

13
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2022 07:08 PM (ENBF0)

14 Howdy gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: Skynet at December 04, 2022 07:08 PM (pwExq)

15 Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:02 PM (a3Q+t)
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Soon! Maybe a holiday video!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 07:09 PM (4jEJr)

16 probably right, Skip, but you can just make a new one when that happens ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 04, 2022 07:09 PM (j3SBD)

17 I'm here! Don't start without me!

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:10 PM (Od0u9)

18 Long time no post. Managed to pop off about 75 rounds or so of 10mm out my Fk BRNO multi-cal pistol. That's the "affordable" polymer framed model, as opposed to the beautifully machined all steel $8,000 Field Pistol. Between the internal recoil reduction system and the overall heft of the gun, it was quite easy to print 12 rounds into 5 inch groups rapid fire at 10 yards. And I'm a very average pistol shooter.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 04, 2022 07:10 PM (TPaZO)

19 A quick note for NZ Frank -- I'm currently recording "Aerial New Zealand" off the TV. [A series with aerial drone tours of countries or regions.]

After I watch, I'll tell you about it next Sunday. Maybe I'll see your house?!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:10 PM (Vwz3I)

20 Ha! I love the bottom poster "Gun Control Fail".
That describes my situation perfectly.
I never wanted any gun until they wanted to ban them.
Now I want them all.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, friend to brussel sprouts at December 04, 2022 07:11 PM (jTmQV)

21 Purchased a copy of "Gun Guy", Bill Wilson's autobiography. Chapter 16, on pistol maintenance, is fantastic, and loaded with pictures. Best of all, it's currently on sale on their website.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:12 PM (a3Q+t)

22 So I sat for my enhanced carry class Saturday. The instructor was an active duty sheriff. I was actually pleased that much of the class covered the legal aspects of when you can and cannot use deadly force.

I passed the written test with 100% and scored 48/50 on the shooting portion. I had two misfires, which sucked. Only had 50 rounds for the test.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:13 PM (9qSw/)

23 Well done, SiD! Getting out of the comfort zone for sure.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 07:13 PM (L3byd)

24 Thanks for the gub thread and the kind words Weasel. SiD has converted me - I will be getting an AR!

Also, I must've mislabeled the 9mm pic - pretty sure that was 10 yards. The targets looked worse the further I went out.

SiD is also a good shot with a 30-06, by the way...

Posted by: 496 at December 04, 2022 07:14 PM (ELYbr)

25 Speaking of pending gun control....
Weasel, have you posted an article regarding the egregious over reach of the ATF regarding pistol braces that's supposed to drop anytime now? This unconstitutional disaster will literally impact over 10 million people across the US.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 04, 2022 07:15 PM (TPaZO)

26 The matrix is glitchy today. Tried to post and got a page hang. Tried to reload the front page and got nothing. Then it all came back after a minute or two. Same thing happened this morning on the Book Thread.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 04, 2022 07:16 PM (nfrXX)

27 Blaster, FWIW, the Colt Model of 1910 (M1911 prototype) exhibited cracks in roughly the same area and direction in its frame when subjected to the 6,000 round endurance test the US Army required in its autoloader pistol testing regimen. Did the frame exhibit cracking in roughly the same spot on both sides of the frame?

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:16 PM (/lmRp)

28 But even knowing they will fail, be it 1, 25 or 100 rounds it still can be useful if it's safe for a few.
Sten guns in WWII were crap, they used them

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2022 07:16 PM (xhxe8)

29 Posted by: 496 at December 04, 2022 07:14 PM (ELYbr)
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My pleasure and nice shooting!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 07:16 PM (4jEJr)

30 For just the second time, SiD, that AR target looks pretty dead! Glad you got that shooting in!

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:16 PM (Od0u9)

31 Well, here it is December. Has anyone heard where we stand with ATF's rule that for all intents and purposes bans formerly perfectly legal AR pistol braces? I understood it was to go into effect this month.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 04, 2022 07:17 PM (B0rQx)

32 Jer with the field strip video. I never heard it as a "captivated spring" I always thought it was a compound main spring. Way easier than a standard 1911 main spring.
Whatever works.
Jer's pistol strips just like a Glock.
Oops, now I did it...
Thanks for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: gourmand du jour, friend to brussel sprouts at December 04, 2022 07:17 PM (jTmQV)

33 (Fortunately, I did a quick ^A^C when things went wonky)

What I was trying to say was...

I have a Kimber Gold Match II on the way to my local FFL. I've been wanting a full sized, single stack 1911 with adjustable sights for several years now. At first, I thought I wanted a Springfield Range Officer until I saw the (current production) Colt Series 70 NM. Then I wanted that until I saw the Kimber. I saw this one on Gun Broker and after a couple of weeks of hemming and hawing, told myself that if I had seen the same gun at the same price on a store shelf or a gun show table, I'd have snatched it without a second thought. I'll try to get pics and a report to Weasel before the holidays.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 04, 2022 07:18 PM (nfrXX)

34 Posted by: PacosMojo at December 04, 2022 07:15 PM (TPaZO)
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No, I have not.

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 07:18 PM (4jEJr)

35 I have reprinted the frame and transferred the parts over and have reassembled the Frankenglock. It's alive!

I am going to do a real data collection on this one and see how it holds up.

Posted by: Skynet at December 04, 2022 07:19 PM (pwExq)

36 It looks like Blaster's gun frame crack starts at a hole. That's a common thing with stress cracks.

Posted by: fd at December 04, 2022 07:20 PM (sn5EN)

37 OK, I have no know information of these printed firearms or materials. But my guess is failure is going to happen %100 of the time eventually.
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2022 07:05 PM (xhxe

Tend to agree. To my mind, 3D printing is fine for prototyping, and for making trinkets not subject to much force in use. Plastic is like metal in one respect, it is usually strongest when cast or injection molded into the final form. I wonder if you could 3D print a frame out of foam plastic, and then use that piece for a "lost-foam" casting process in metal?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 07:20 PM (tkR6S)

38 Beautiful guns, Blake!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:20 PM (9qSw/)

39 Posted by: PacosMojo at December 04, 2022 07:15 PM (TPaZO)

Horde mind!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 04, 2022 07:20 PM (B0rQx)

40 Hi Wease3l, thanks for the gun thread.
I can second Rhomboid's cigar of the week.
Well made and tasty.
No shooting as the snow is a tad too deep for the car to reach anywhere I can shoot.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, McFailure wing of the Uniparty at December 04, 2022 07:21 PM (BbSpR)

41 Evening All !!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 04, 2022 07:22 PM (fe7in)

42 Nurse's picture reminds me of Cadet Diogenes and when the sergeant came into the barracks and asked who wanted some experience with a .45?.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2022 07:22 PM (anj39)

43 Nice new gun, Blake. I like my Officer-size 9mm 1911 and carry it frequently. ("Frequently" = "all the time, unless something intervenes to make a derringer a better choice.")

Weasel, I will write up my experience going the other direction - 9mm up to a full-size .45 - early this week, and get it in.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:23 PM (Od0u9)

44 Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:23 PM (Od0u9)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 07:23 PM (4jEJr)

45 Just to clarify...

The pistol targets are 496's. These are not even his best ones. He is excellent with a 1911 and a S&W with the most evil trigger pull I've ever experienced.

I seem to be regressing with my pistols. No consistency.

The AR is both of us. But I taught him how to shoot it. LOL

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:24 PM (pkAcY)

46 Well, here it is December. Has anyone heard where we stand with ATF's rule that for all intents and purposes bans formerly perfectly legal AR pistol braces? I understood it was to go into effect this month.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 04, 2022 07:17 PM (B0rQx)

From what I have learned is a dealer (FFL) has to remove all braces and has to sell an AR pistol or similar type sans brace and as a "pistol" only. Private owners of "pistols" which can accommodate a brace are on their own as to use and or attaching a "brace" which is now "illegal" without the tax stamp for a "SBR" per the federales.

There is also a rumor of a rumor of an ATF amnesty to SBR said "pistols" for less than the $200.00 tax stamp but don't hold your breath.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2022 07:24 PM (R/m4+)

47 I was with s-i-d and 496 in Laramie yesterday, trying out my new Taurus.

Did pretty well,but I learned not to have my left thumb close to the slide.

But, I love my new Taurus. Noice.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 04, 2022 07:25 PM (UQUAY)

48 So I don't know if anyone cares or has noticed, but unless you're looking at a 1911 frame or a beretta, the choices in hammer fire pistols is incredibly thin. Seems everything is a striker fire now.

I get why. People want that consistency in trigger pull and the yoots today don't understand double action pistols. But I grew up on them and I actually love them. Makes me sad.

Another thing that truly bugs me is that even if you accept striker fire, finding one with an external safety is equally difficult. I'm a firm must have when it comes to external safety's. I just don't like trigger safeties.

Thankfully, S&W makes a striker fire with safeties in their M&P 2.0 line. I think Sig does to with their P320 but that gun is embroiled in a huge lawsuit now for unwanted discharges. The Minneapolis police force is suing Sig for some incidents.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:26 PM (9qSw/)

49 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:27 PM (xcxpd)

50 Evening All !!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 04, 2022 07:22 PM

Evenin', Scoob, Horde.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)

51 I wonder if you could 3D print a frame out of foam plastic, and then use that piece for a "lost-foam" casting process in metal?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 07:20 PM (tkR6S)

You most certainly could. I think the largest obstacle is the knowledge and tools for the second part. You could, conceivably, go straight to printing the mold.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:29 PM (Od0u9)

52
Did pretty well,but I learned not to have my left thumb close to the slide.

But, I love my new Taurus. Noice.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 04, 2022 07:25 PM (UQUAY


Ouch. Stiches?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:29 PM (6VKyY)

53 9mm 1911's seem to be a real trend nowadays. I guess they ironed the bugs out of them. Used to be a really bad combination. The Nurse has a serious intent on getting one, spoilers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:30 PM (xcxpd)

54 do not fall for the BATF "Amnesty" crap. BATF is telling everyone up front they really don't know who does and does not have an AR pistol with a brace. Applying for amnesty instantly tells BATF who has a brace and, since they're notorious for changing the rules to suit their agenda, the BATF very likely send a few people to collect you and your brace somewhere down the road.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at December 04, 2022 07:30 PM (5pTK/)

55 Yeah, I'm eyeballing a Wilson Combat 1911 in 9mm.

But dang they are pricy.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:31 PM (6VKyY)

56 But, I love my new Taurus. Noice.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 04, 2022 07:25 PM (UQUAY)

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It was great to meet you Pug. Hope your thumb is healing up well.

Posted by: 496 at December 04, 2022 07:31 PM (ELYbr)

57 I just passed my RPAL restricted firearms [i.e. handgun] safety course so I after I get my certificate, I'll be able to apply for my licence that should be no problem as I don't have any criminal record or the like. But just as for Canada's post-Covid passport office, it'll probably take 8 months to get it completed through the bureaucracy.

So I can't buy any weapons or ammo until then but I can go to ranges unsupervised and use their onsite weapons, although I'll be looking for tutoring until I know what I'm doing. And I also have a nephew who has been shooting for several years now to rely on.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:31 PM (Vwz3I)

58 I don't know how it happened, but I went up to my 3d printer yesterday morning and it seems like a Glock 19 frame was somehow printed on it. I suppose I should buy the rest of the parts now.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 04, 2022 07:32 PM (iZEhM)

59 No stitches. Just a skin graze. I eventually learned.

Ow! Why does this keep happening?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 04, 2022 07:32 PM (UQUAY)

60 Good for you, Andy!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:33 PM (6VKyY)

61 Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:31 PM (Vwz3I)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 07:33 PM (4jEJr)

62 Shot my Marlin 1894 45 colt lever gun the other day. Took two different brands of ammo to the range. Remington and Sellior & Bellot both 230 grain JHP. The remington shot two inch groups at 20 yards over open sights with my 29+ year old cataract filled eyes. The S&B I could not get to feed for anything in my gun. I tried six different rounds and each one of them jammed and would not load, I had to pry them out of the feed ramp and load them individually. When I hand loaded them into the chamber I got blow back from the bolt when I fired them. The sixth one had significant blow back enough that I quit trying to shoot them.


No idea what went wrong. Same bullet weight and configuration but completely different results. Problem is I have 1,000 rounds of the S&B stuff that I can't shoot. I bought a case of it for $34 a box.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 04, 2022 07:34 PM (uNylN)

63 Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:26 PM (9qSw/)

Aren't the M17 and M18 pistols nothing more than Sig P320 with thumb safeties attached per US Army specs?

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:34 PM (/lmRp)

64 A pewpew here
And a pewpew there
Here a pew there a pew
Everywhere a pewpew

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 04, 2022 07:34 PM (Kd4bG)

65 59 No stitches. Just a skin graze. I eventually learned.

Ow! Why does this keep happening?
Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 04, 2022 07:32 PM (UQUAY

Grip. Try torquing your left hand (if you're a lefty) into the frame, which naturally turns your thumb down. I always aim for keeping my thumb on the take down pin.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:34 PM (6VKyY)

66 " I don't know how it happened, but I went up to my 3d printer yesterday morning and it seems like a Glock 19 frame was somehow printed on it."

You are supposed to leave us some tiny pants.

Posted by: The Gunmaker's Elves at December 04, 2022 07:35 PM (sn5EN)

67 Oh, and speaking of 3d printing frames, my plan is to learn to print fiber reinforced nylon. Parts are on the way to begin the process.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 04, 2022 07:35 PM (iZEhM)

68 Had a bit of a surprise this week. A few threads ago I mentioned I wasn't comfortable or accurate (at 20 yards) with my usual carry guns: a Smith snubbie in 38 special and a Ruger sp101 snubbie in 357. Folks know I'm a revolver enthusiast so this was unexpected. The last few years have taken a toll. Even standard velocity 38s gave me trouble. Bummer!

This week I took some 9mm pistols to the range: an M and P Shield (smallest), an M and P compact, and a Springfield XD (biggest of the three). No problem racking the slides and the recoil from 115 grain 9mm ammo was fine. Follow up shots were fast. And 4 inch groups at 25 yards was doable with a bit of concentration. I was shooting consistently a couple of inches low and left. Good enough for minute of bad guy at the moment but it will improve.

I bring this up as a warning to stay current with your carry guns. Things can change.

BTW, The same ammo out of a K-38 and larger 357s was fine. The snubbies gave me the trouble.

Posted by: JTB at December 04, 2022 07:36 PM (7EjX1)

69 496, so cool to meet you. I love that range. Great guy running the place.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (UQUAY)

70 Congratulations, AL, on your successful testing. No live ammo with my test though!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (Vwz3I)

71 Range report(s) time!

I missed time appointment on Nov 26, but went the following Monday and yesterday as well. Both sessions featured the PSA Dagger, and the Chiappa 1873 .22/.22 mag. Both guns shoot well but, boy, what a difference a red dot makes. Was running dot torture drills and the PSA Dagger with the Vortex Venom just flat performed better. Or maybe I was just having a better day...

I still haven't shot the Dot Torture drill 'clean' at 5 yards, but I'm getting closer with the red dot tool. It's a good exercise in accuracy.

Still, the iron sight PSA Dagger is very good at closer range. Outstanding for a $300 pistol.

Yesterday was also a lot of one handed drills, as I suck at that and need the practice. Went pretty well for once, honestly.

As for the Chiappa 1873, well...it shoots low, in both the .22 and .22 magnum. I'd better just deal with it as it of course does not have adjustable sights, just a groove and front sight. Maybe I should shave the front sight down???

A good day shooting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (xcxpd)

72 63 Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:26 PM (9qSw/)

Aren't the M17 and M18 pistols nothing more than Sig P320 with thumb safeties attached per US Army specs?
Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:34 PM (/lmRp)

Correct. The P320 is the contract winner and the M17 and M18 are the civilian version but honestly it's just a P320 with a safety as far as I can tell.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (6VKyY)

73 Applying for amnesty instantly tells BATF who has a brace and, since they're notorious for changing the rules to suit their agenda, the BATF very likely send a few people to collect you and your brace somewhere down the road.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

100% this.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (dx3mo)

74 @Ed L only the one side of the grip exhibited the crack. Internet research says this is not uncommon with this particular 3D print. I don't know at what round count it usually happens.

The material I am printing with (PLA +) is more brittle than Glocks polymer (Polymer 2 which is nylon based). Fused Deposition Modeling (3d printing) has less structural integrity than something molded in most cases. So it is NOT going to be as strong as a real Glock. But I have t seen anything that quantifies that.

Posted by: Skynet at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (pwExq)

75 Weasel! Horde! I just got in from another range outing in Cheyenne with 496 and 2 of my friends. And this was my 2nd range trip in one weekend - Pug joined us in Laramie yesterday.

Shot Jesse's old Stevens 16 gauge shotgun today. My first time ever shooting a shotgun. Holy shitballs! 2 shots and my shoulder is sore! No clue how accurate I was, we didn't even put up a target. But I shot it!

Also tried 496's 30-06, my first time shooting this caliber. Yowza! He has a much better scope than I have on the AR. Very fun and a gorgeous gun. Thanks 496!

My pistol shooting has been crazy lately. I am capable of hitting where I'm aiming, but cannot do it with any consistency. I know my vision with my current glasses is problematic for pistol sights, but I suspect I also have an issue with follow through. I don't think I'm flinching as much as I used to. I seem to do better when I shoot faster. Crazy huh?

Now to read the content and comments!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:38 PM (pkAcY)

76 Howdy, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks to our threadmaster Weasel. Coming in late tonight, because I was finishing up on my own cleaning bench, so the top picture looked eerily familiar.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 07:38 PM (XEl8M)

77 Looking at that cracked frame, I wonder if the digits could be edited to pack a little more meat around that pin hole?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 07:39 PM (tkR6S)

78 70 Congratulations, AL, on your successful testing. No live ammo with my test though!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (Vwz3I

Where's the fun in that??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:39 PM (6VKyY)

79 Guns! and P-47s! Winning!

Posted by: pilot141 at December 04, 2022 07:39 PM (JlOBj)

80 I built an AR pistol with a stabilizing brace. I plan to swap out the pistol-length barrel with a 16" barrel. No way I am falling for the ATF amnesty trap.

Posted by: butch at December 04, 2022 07:40 PM (ami4h)

81 The logic of the "Gun Control Fail" poster informed at least one of my purchases. Oh, so don't think I should have X - one X, coming right up!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 07:41 PM (XEl8M)

82 I got 98% or 96% on the multiple choice test; and 100% on the practical testing -- being asked to load, 'fire', and unload the handgun as if a 'cease fire' had been called at a range. [In my case, a double-action revolver, and a double-action semiautomatic although there were also test weapons of an old-fashioned single-action revolver and a single-action semiautomatic -- I think a 1911.] Also asked questions about legal transportation and storage and safety questions.

I'm crappy at racking the semiauto though. The instructor said it would come with practice and he told me to use both hands to do it not just the left hand working the slide but still...

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:42 PM (Vwz3I)

83 Posted by: pilot141 at December 04, 2022 07:39 PM (JlOBj)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 07:42 PM (4jEJr)

84 Pug, thanks again for coming to Laramie. So great to see you again, and nice shootin'!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:43 PM (pkAcY)

85 I saw this one on Gun Broker and after a couple of weeks of hemming and hawing, told myself that if I had seen the same gun at the same price on a store shelf or a gun show table, I'd have snatched it without a second thought.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 04, 2022 07:18 PM


Impeccable logic.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:43 PM (a3Q+t)

86 By the way, on some thread yesterday I promised I would try the PILK everyone was talking about and report it in the gun thread. Sorry it's off topic Weasel. Please feel free to deep-six this if I've committed a major faux pas!

tldr: it tastes a lot like cola, still quite bubbly, but the milk really cuts the sweetness. Also the ensuing burps were a tad more unpleasant than normal cola burps. It was fine, but I see no need to have another one.

Ok - back to gubs!

Posted by: 496 at December 04, 2022 07:44 PM (ELYbr)

87 Howdy Horde! Late to the fray, but I plead busy- ness with two pups and a 13 YO Granddaughter to raise and it's winter. At least the GD is partially housebroken. Harhar

Had to lock up all the gubs and anything sharp. Kid has problems, so to speak. We'll do fine. I had grey hair before this, so it's all good.

How YOU doin'?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 04, 2022 07:44 PM (gMngZ)

88 I'm not sure I agree with SEH on the idea that you're likely to get shot. I get what she's saying, and I wouldn't want people thinking the gun makes them invulnerable.

But, I think stats show that most defensive gun uses entail the bad guys not engaging you with gunfire. Change the mindset, but don't make wrong claims.

But it's a good set of "mindset shifts".

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:44 PM (Od0u9)

89 Oh, there's a YouTube video on how you and about a dozen friends can assemble a P-47 out of - and using - the crate. The genius of those WWII production engineers is astounding.

Posted by: butch at December 04, 2022 07:45 PM (ami4h)

90 Where's the fun in that??
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Not much probably safer as we were in a classroom setting! Although the office next door that was the "shooting range" wall was unoccupied so...

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 07:45 PM (Vwz3I)

91 MAE makes a good point, by the way. I need to do more shooting both off hand and strong hand.

Of course, I need to do more shooting in general, as I can tell I'm slipping a bit, but, unfortunately, life does tend to create priorities ahead of range time.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at December 04, 2022 07:45 PM (5pTK/)

92 Yeah, I'm eyeballing a Wilson Combat 1911 in 9mm.

But dang they are pricy.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:31 PM (6VKyY)

But you can buy any 1911 and put Wilson Combat mags in it.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:46 PM (Od0u9)

93 I didn't really want an AR until the rein of Barky. I figured I should just get one before I couldn't.

I never should have taken it on that canoe trip though. Boy that was a bad day.

Posted by: fd at December 04, 2022 07:46 PM (sn5EN)

94 Off self aware AI sock

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 07:46 PM (pwExq)

95 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:38 PM (pkAcY)

If you want to use a shotgun for home defense, I recommend the Benelli M4. It's definitely not cheap, but it's the only shotgun I've fired that I can mag dump without destroying my shoulder. The gas system helps a lot when it comes to absorbing recoil.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:47 PM (/lmRp)

96 Off self aware AI sock
Posted by: blaster
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Clearly a case of human error, blaster.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at December 04, 2022 07:48 PM (Vwz3I)

97 That Miculek video...
Yumpin' Yiminiy! That man has a lot of ammo!

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:48 PM (Od0u9)

98 I think tomorrow I'm gonna field strip the Sig Sauer MCX Virtus Patrol rifle my son gifted to me a month ago. Then to the range next week if I manage to figure out how to put it back together again!!

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2022 07:48 PM (ylYAl)

99 Yeah, I'm eyeballing a Wilson Combat 1911 in 9mm.

But dang they are pricy.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:31 PM


If I were to get a 1911 in 9, a Wilson would probably be the one I'd get. They were on sale for Black Friday/Cyber Week; they might still be.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)

100 No way I am falling for the ATF amnesty trap.
Posted by: butch at December 04, 2022 07:40 PM (ami4h)

This.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 04, 2022 07:49 PM (B0rQx)

101 Oh, almost forgot, also shot 25 rounds, strong hand only, with my current 'coat gun', the Taurus G3c Toro. The gun performed very well one handed, recoil is quite managble with the grip texture. All shots in the IDPA target area at 7 yards. Can't complain.

For anyone looking for a compact 12 round pistol, I'll note that Palmetto State Armory is selling the G3c (not TORO) for under 200...a serious steal. Not a perfect pistol but quite, quite functional.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:49 PM (xcxpd)

102 I think I settled on the SW MP 2.0 as my next carry pistol.

I had the shield but it's just too small for my hands.

Plus SW is moving to TN to escape the liberal hellholes.

I think that puts both Beretta and Smith in Tennessee.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:50 PM (6VKyY)

103 That Miculek video...
Yumpin' Yiminiy! That man has a lot of ammo!
Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:48 PM

His daughter ain't bad, either.

https://youtu.be/CeQNM4AV-3U

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 07:51 PM (Wnv9h)

104 103 That Miculek video...
Yumpin' Yiminiy! That man has a lot of ammo!
Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:48 PM

His daughter ain't bad, either.

https://youtu.be/CeQNM4AV-3U
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 07:51 PM (Wnv9h


That's one accurate statement.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:52 PM (6VKyY)

105 Posted by: Skynet at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM (pwExq)

I have pictures of the Colt Model 1910 in one of my 1911 reference books which illustrate the cracking from the Army's test. It's interesting that the cracks in the Model 1910 run in almost the same direction as the one in Blaster's 3D print Glock. I wonder if that's just a coincidence, or if there's a reason why the cracking runs almost exactly parallel in both.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 07:52 PM (/lmRp)

106 Fine weekend at the range here, if wet (yesterday) and cold (today). Traditional Appleseed 25m program in Carroll County, MD, two days of good basic rifle marksmanship, quality instruction, laced heavily with some great Revolutionary War history. Did the weekend with my two oldest kiddos - the oldest and I both got our Rifleman patches, the other kiddo dang close - next time he'll get it. Was thoroughly impressed with the program, would recommend it to anyone.

Posted by: MD_Mike at December 04, 2022 07:52 PM (BouEL)

107 Observed at the range this week

Tee shirt with the logo

"Gun Law:

Own at least one!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (hOUT3)

108 102 I think I settled on the SW MP 2.0 as my next carry pistol.

I had the shield but it's just too small for my hands.

Plus SW is moving to TN to escape the liberal hellholes.

I think that puts both Beretta and Smith in Tennessee.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:50 PM (6VKyY)


I had the same comment directed at me at my October class by the instructor -- the Shield, especially with the 7 round mag, is just too small for my hands.

The quest for a larger carry gun continues.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (XEl8M)

109 If you want to use a shotgun for home defense, I recommend the Benelli M4.

Seconded.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (Xrfse)

110 I bought a case of it for $34 a box.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 04, 2022 07:34 PM (uNylN)

Ummm, I have a hungry new 1911....

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:54 PM (Od0u9)

111 One thing I re-learned after using the semi-autos mentioned above. Loading those magazines is a PIA and kind of painful when your hands are cold. Even loading magazines for a Ruger Mk II gets old fast. Dug out a Maglula and it made loading and unloading so much easier. The model I have will work for 9mm and 45acp. Definitely recommended.

Posted by: JTB at December 04, 2022 07:54 PM (7EjX1)

112 Since we are talking 9mm 1911s...about 6 months ago I picked up a Staccato 2011 in 9mm.

Holy cow is that a sweet shooter. Not a cheap gun by any measure but man does it shoot well.

I am conflicted about carrying it. I like my SIG P320 on my hip, and I really don't want to subject the Staccato to the wear and tear of daily carry.

Posted by: pilot141 at December 04, 2022 07:54 PM (JlOBj)

113 I don't know if anyone cares or has noticed, but unless you're looking at a 1911 frame or a beretta, the choices in hammer fire pistols is incredibly thin. Seems everything is a striker fire now.

H&K P30.

Thankfully, S&W makes a striker fire with safeties in their M&P 2.0 line. I think Sig does to with their P320 but that gun is embroiled in a huge lawsuit now for unwanted discharges. The Minneapolis police force is suing Sig for some incidents.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:26 PM

Sig have P365 models w/safeties (and you can retrofit non-safety models for ~$42 and 15 minutes). No issues w/365s that I've heard of.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 07:54 PM (a3Q+t)

114 FWIW,
A lot of the polymer lower receiver and handgun types find that a bit of metal reinforcement at key points can greatly extend the lifespan of polymer frames. The other way is to tinker with polymer formulas and overbuild places where stress is likely to cause issues. On AR polymer lowers, the buffer tube ring junction between the buffer tube and the lower is where cracks occur. It would be expected that a lot of the stress on the frame is where the locking block is anchored (Glock had to kludge its 40 SW design with a second metal pin for that area back in the day) and other stress area would be where the grip meets the upper part of the frame. A modular design might work there with separate grips (AR types might work) versus the rest of the frame.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM (bDjBG)

115 48 So I don't know if anyone cares or has noticed, but unless you're looking at a 1911 frame or a beretta, the choices in hammer fire pistols is incredibly thin. Seems everything is a striker fire now.

I get why. People want that consistency in trigger pull and the yoots today don't understand double action pistols. But I grew up on them and I actually love them. Makes me sad.

Another thing that truly bugs me is that even if you accept striker fire, finding one with an external safety is equally difficult. I'm a firm must have when it comes to external safety's. I just don't like trigger safeties.

Thankfully, S&W makes a striker fire with safeties in their M&P 2.0 line. I think Sig does to with their P320 but that gun is embroiled in a huge lawsuit now for unwanted discharges. The Minneapolis police force is suing Sig for some incidents.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:26 PM (9qSw/)

I really like the CZ for hammer fired. The P-07 is one of my top 5 handguns....though it is a 'two hand' gun for me, as I can't reliable hit all controls with one hand.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM (xcxpd)

116 Also, Mister Scott, was there a difference in the slope of the 2 JHPs? Or a difference in the edge of the opening? (Like notches in it, or a different lipping of the copper and the lead.)

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM (Od0u9)

117 The material I am printing with (PLA +) is more brittle than Glocks polymer (Polymer 2 which is nylon based). Fused Deposition Modeling (3d printing) has less structural integrity than something molded in most cases. So it is NOT going to be as strong as a real Glock. But I have t seen anything that quantifies that.

Posted by: Skynet at December 04, 2022 07:37 PM


PLA, even PLA+, is not really well suited for printing production parts. It's not terribly stable and, as you point out, it's brittle. Nylon, on the other hand, supposedly can be used to print production parts on FDM printers (or so says the "material selection table" I have linked somewhere.)

Nylon, on the other hand, is supposedly much harder to print. You need an enclosure to reduce thermal stresses, hardened nozzles to reduce wear, and a dry box to hold the filament. Thanks to kind person who was giving away silica gel dessicant at the TxMoMe, I've three dry boxes and fixings for three more, so I just need the nozzles (on order arriving Tuesday) and the enclosure. Oh, and the filament, of course.

The thing is, my plan is to use it to print production robot parts. Pistol parts are coincidental.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 04, 2022 07:56 PM (iZEhM)

118 Second Amendment Sanctuary Counties Maps, by both National and State.

https://tinyurl.com/4fz86nbj

Posted by: SMH at December 04, 2022 07:56 PM (vBjG4)

119 GWB, that .45 Long Colt ammo won't fit in your 1911.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 04, 2022 07:57 PM (DzsA0)

120 Holy crap! I need somebody to bring all of those cleaning tools to my bathroom. I'll just be over here dunking my firearm in Hoppe's No.9.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 04, 2022 07:58 PM (geVLo)

121 class by the instructor -- the Shield, especially with the 7 round mag, is just too small for my hands.

The quest for a larger carry gun continues.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (XEl8M)

Same. I think the 4in barrel is probably the best size for me. That's why the 2.0 was appealing from Smith. But I was also thinking about one of the WC 1911s in that size. The SFX series or something. But that's a whole other story for carrying in condition one.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:58 PM (6VKyY)

122 The crack developed at the range while shooting 124 grain 9mm. So maybe it would live longer with 115 grain. But now that I have a very repeatable print and assembly process, I can approach this more scientifically. Shoot only 115 and see how many it survives.

That range trip was interesting - Hrothgar brought a pistol bench rest so we could wrestle The Accursed Glock - his G19X. Frankenglock went along to be a comparison other.

From the benchrest at 5 yards the AG was able to shoot good groups. Standing, I was able to shoot a 1 inch group of 5 rounds. Hrothgar couldn't get a good group out of it though. But he could with the Frankenglock!

We are still trying to figure out what is going on there.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 07:59 PM (pwExq)

123 Er, yeah. About the meme from Fungus Boy. It me, as the younglings used to say.

As of Dec. 1 I have been a gun owner for 2 years. Gee, what was happening around that time??

Now I have 10 rifles (including an AR), a shotgun, and 7 (or is it 8?) revolvers and pistols (including 2 1911s), or I *had* them, before the sad canoe accidents. Of course, most of them were Jesse's. But me shooting an AR? A .357 revolver? A shotgun? These things were unthinkable not long ago.

So I just wanted to say Thank You to the Horde. And dammit I miss you Jesse. Now I will shut up and read.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:59 PM (pkAcY)

124 102 I think I settled on the SW MP 2.0 as my next carry pistol.

I had the shield but it's just too small for my hands.

Plus SW is moving to TN to escape the liberal hellholes.

I think that puts both Beretta and Smith in Tennessee.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:50 PM (6VKyY)

Grabagun has the 9mm M&P for less than $400 this weekend. Not saying to buy it now but....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 08:00 PM (xcxpd)

125 I really like the CZ for hammer fired. The P-07 is one of my top 5 handguns....though it is a 'two hand' gun for me, as I can't reliable hit all controls with one hand.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM (xcxpd)

I've watched a lot of vids from Honest Outlaw on YT. He loves the CZ as well. I've never shot one. Is it a reliable gun/mfr?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:00 PM (6VKyY)

126 New Illinois Second Amendment Sanctuary State Map Update 18SEP2021

https://tinyurl.com/4ps37afc

Posted by: SMH at December 04, 2022 08:00 PM (vBjG4)

127 Michigan politicians now wanting to ban everything rifle related. Including 5 year registration "permits" Fascists of the state police will enforce and felony for non+compliance.

Get what you vote for.

Posted by: GigantorX at December 04, 2022 08:00 PM (NDzQ+)

128 Shot Jesse's old Stevens 16 gauge shotgun today.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:38 PM (pkAcY)

Holy moley! Are you going to have to make your own ammo for that? I can hardly find 20ga when I look. (I don't need it so I haven't looked that hard. But I was considering one of those Shockwaves in 20ga, so was keeping an eye on it.)

You should definitely give us a few pics and some info about that shotgun, SiD. It sounds interesting.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:01 PM (Od0u9)

129 Grabagun has the 9mm M&P for less than $400 this weekend. Not saying to buy it now but....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 08:00 PM (xcxpd)

Hmmmm...

Dammit. If I must.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:01 PM (6VKyY)

130 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:59 PM (pkAcY)
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That Fungus Boy is a wacky one!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:01 PM (4jEJr)

131 PSA had Taylors and Co 5" 1911 on sale last week for $299. I attempted to avail myself. Alas, an end of the season canoe accident intervened.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:02 PM (L3byd)

132 123 Er, yeah. About the meme from Fungus Boy. It me, as the younglings used to say.

As of Dec. 1 I have been a gun owner for 2 years. Gee, what was happening around that time??

Now I have 10 rifles (including an AR), a shotgun, and 7 (or is it 8?) revolvers and pistols (including 2 1911s), or I *had* them, before the sad canoe accidents. Of course, most of them were Jesse's. But me shooting an AR? A .357 revolver? A shotgun? These things were unthinkable not long ago.

So I just wanted to say Thank You to the Horde. And dammit I miss you Jesse. Now I will shut up and read.
Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 07:59 PM (pkAcY)


Strangely, I became a serious personal defense advocate that same year. Something about civilization teetering on the brink of falling apart makes me just a touch nervous.

I only had the pleasure of meeting Jesse (and you) at TxMoMe 2021, but I miss him as well.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:02 PM (XEl8M)

133 I wish my CZ 75b was concealable. That is one comfortable and accurate pistol.

Posted by: JTB at December 04, 2022 08:03 PM (7EjX1)

134 I had the same comment directed at me at my October class by the instructor -- the Shield, especially with the 7 round mag, is just too small for my hands.

The quest for a larger carry gun continues.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Have you looked at the CZ Full Size 75 models? Some folks would say they are a bit big for EDC but - nah!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2022 08:04 PM (qoGsy)

135 125 I really like the CZ for hammer fired. The P-07 is one of my top 5 handguns....though it is a 'two hand' gun for me, as I can't reliable hit all controls with one hand.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM (xcxpd)

I've watched a lot of vids from Honest Outlaw on YT. He loves the CZ as well. I've never shot one. Is it a reliable gun/mfr?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:00 PM (6VKyY)

Absolutely. Unreliable guns don't get carried by me. I will say I had one part breakage, the firing pin retaining pin broke on one of my 3. Flaw in the design. But the part is cheap to replace, for what it's worth. It is also outstandingly accurate and they make a OEM .22 slide for the P-07.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 08:05 PM (xcxpd)

136 The quest for a larger carry gun continues.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (XEl8M)

Same. I think the 4in barrel is probably the best size for me. That's why the 2.0 was appealing from Smith. But I was also thinking about one of the WC 1911s in that size. The SFX series or something. But that's a whole other story for carrying in condition one.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 07:58 PM (6VKyY)


What's held me back from the Shield Plus, which has more capacity but isn't significantly larger, is the fact that you can have optics, or a thumb safety, but you can't have both. I'm still leery about carrying AIWB without a thumb safety I can re-engage before holstering, even if it does slow my draw time to first shot.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:05 PM (XEl8M)

137 116 Also, Mister Scott, was there a difference in the slope of the 2 JHPs? Or a difference in the edge of the opening? (Like notches in it, or a different lipping of the copper and the lead.)

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM


Not that I can see. The bullets look identical and the cases are the same. No idea until I can buy a micrometer to check things out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 04, 2022 08:05 PM (uNylN)

138 The quest for a larger carry gun continues.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Have you looked at the CZ Full Size 75 models? Some folks would say they are a bit big for EDC but - nah!
Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2022 08:04 PM (qoGsy)


Well (and you know this, having met me), I'm not a petite individual. Maybe I could pull it off...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:06 PM (XEl8M)

139 I am conflicted about carrying it. I like my SIG P320 on my hip, and I really don't want to subject the Staccato to the wear and tear of daily carry.

Posted by: pilot141 at December 04, 2022 07:54 PM (JlOBj)
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Reliability is the key, because you're literally betting your life on your firearm performing when the chips are down. What's the value of your life versus carrying an expensive but extremely reliable pistol, or, a cheaper gun which may fail when you need it most?

Reliability is why I carry my Kimber. I'd hate to lose it after a DGU, but, better it being gone than my not getting home because it failed when I needed it most.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at December 04, 2022 08:06 PM (5pTK/)

140 Looks like Pele is about to win the Hank Aaron award.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2022 08:07 PM (ESjRY)

141 What's held me back from the Shield Plus, which has more capacity but isn't significantly larger, is the fact that you can have optics, or a thumb safety, but you can't have both. I'm still leery about carrying AIWB without a thumb safety I can re-engage before holstering, even if it does slow my draw time to first shot.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:05 PM (XEl8M

You and I are in the same boat, my friend. Take a look at the MP 2.0 from Smith. It's just under a 4in barrel, striker fire with an ambi safety and a 10+1 mag in 9mm.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:07 PM (6VKyY)

142 Not a perfect pistol but quite, quite functional.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 07:49 PM (xcxpd)

Oh yes. One in the house - bought solely because it was on sale so cheap I couldn't pass it up. My son bought one, too, while they had their rebate.

Now I'm pondering if I should get those little SCCY sub-compacts. Ever since the discussion on bathroom guns, I've been pondering arming up that most vulnerable of all spaces. And a $150 gun (properly wrapped, with a bit of desiccant in there) would work great for that.
(That's the current price on guns.com, I think.)

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:08 PM (Od0u9)

143 Blake - excellent point sir!

Posted by: Pilot141 at December 04, 2022 08:08 PM (JlOBj)

144 You and I are in the same boat, my friend. Take a look at the MP 2.0 from Smith. It's just under a 4in barrel, striker fire with an ambi safety and a 10+1 mag in 9mm.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:07 PM (6VKyY)


Roger that - thanks for the recommendation.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:08 PM (XEl8M)

145 Good thing the Hi Point carbines are inexpensive and can run really dirty because they are a bitch to field strip. I will never ever do it again .

Posted by: polynikes at December 04, 2022 08:09 PM (l4ZPt)

146 I'll just be over here dunking my firearm in Hoppe's No.9.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 04, 2022 07:58 PM

Mmm...Hoppe's No. 9.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 08:09 PM (Wnv9h)

147 So, other than locking up. Everything that goes bang or makes cuts, Giggles and I went to our Cigar Club to enjoy an adult beverage and a smoke. Glenmorangie Nectar de Or and a Cohiba Nicaragua for me and a MonteCristo White for Giggles. Two hours of adult enjoyment

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 04, 2022 08:09 PM (gMngZ)

148 Love to fly that P-47. Bring your credit card: it gets about 2 to 3 miles per gallon.

Posted by: JM in Florida at December 04, 2022 08:09 PM (ejBB9)

149 Nicely done, AlaBAMA and Andy!

*sidles up to Blake's 1911s* How YOU doin'?

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:10 PM (pkAcY)

150 "Gun Law:
Own at least one!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (hOUT3)

I think that should read "Common Sense Gun Law".

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:11 PM (Od0u9)

151 It was the same instructor as for the long-arms PAL certification and he had used and liked the WW1 Ross rifle that I told him I wanted to get too; as well as about the sporterized SMLE we had tested on that my nephew also has; and it turns out he has an IWI Jericho like my nephew too.

I told him that I'd just watched an IWI video showing the Israeli cop or IDF member submerging a Jericho in a tub of water for 5 or 10 seconds and then firing it; and burying it in a tub of dirt and gravel, pulling it out and shooting it; and he'd seen the same video as well even remembering the "no talking just background music" the video had used.

I asked him if racking the Jericho would be easier than on the Browning Hi-Power for me to practice and he said it was probably a bit more difficult on the Jericho with me guessing, "Is that because it has the slide on the inside of the receiver and not outside as with the HP or a 1911?" that turned out to be the case.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:11 PM (Vwz3I)

152 If you 3-D printing types want to improve your frames' durability a bit, with no change in design, give this a try?

800 grit emery cloth. *LIGHTLY* radius the edges of the hole, from the flat to "into" the hole. If you have access to both terminations of the hole, do both sides.

What you're trying for, is to minimize "stress-risers" in the material. Which, are most pronounced where sharp edges occur, such as where a hole meets the flat surface of a frame. Stress-risers are what killed the DeHaviland Comet, the square corners of the windows failed in the repeated pressurizing/depressurizing of the cabin, which occurred with every flight.

Might be good to do this even with a fiber-reinforced nylon filament? Give the frame a very detailed lookover, and see if you can find other areas to get the same treatment. Might help, might not. Can't hurt to try!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 04, 2022 08:11 PM (e6UQI)

153 Fantastic reports from Blake and Blaster. I really enjoyed seeing the difference between the two pistols.

Blaster, thanks for testing it out to failure. Your next attempt will be exciting to see.

Posted by: Draki at December 04, 2022 08:12 PM (6Qsn1)

154 Screaming in Digital, it all looks very consistent what you're doing there. Impressive.

Posted by: Draki at December 04, 2022 08:13 PM (6Qsn1)

155 Love to fly that P-47. Bring your credit card: it gets about 2 to 3 miles per gallon.
Posted by: JM in Florida at December 04, 2022 08:09 PM (ejBB9)

Excuse me, I would like to fly 30 gallons worth of your plane.

Posted by: polynikes at December 04, 2022 08:13 PM (l4ZPt)

156 Other gub stuff. I spring for a PSA Black Friday of a complete Dagger frame and a stripped AR15 lower for $99 - and free shipping!

Considering that the Dagger frame sells for $99 that makes the lower pretty much free ninety-nine!

Anyway, if you recall the Frankenglock has a Dagger slide in Sniper Green - which color coordinates reasonably well with the yellow printed frame - but I *really* want a black slide for that. So my intentions are to mate the Dagger frame to the Dagger slide, and get an OEM profile Glock slide in black for the spooky one.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (pwExq)

157 "Gun Law:
Own at least one!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 07:53 PM (hOUT3)
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Some of us aren't "legally" allowed to.

Which is why I posted the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary counties, which I reckon I'll find out after Jan 1st, if anyone is dumb enough to break into my home, if the county I live in backs up its talk.

Posted by: SMH at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (tizKA)

158 Just wanted to upvote that "Gun Control Fail" poster.

It's so true! Thanks, President Obama, for convincing me to arm myself! Thanks, President Biden (and Weasel) for the constant reminders to BUY MOAR AMMO.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (Dc2NZ)

159 122 The crack developed at the range while shooting 124 grain 9mm. So maybe it would live longer with 115 grain. But now that I have a very repeatable print and assembly process, I can approach this more scientifically. Shoot only 115 and see how many it survives.

That range trip was interesting - Hrothgar brought a pistol bench rest so we could wrestle The Accursed Glock - his G19X. Frankenglock went along to be a comparison other.

From the benchrest at 5 yards the AG was able to shoot good groups. Standing, I was able to shoot a 1 inch group of 5 rounds. Hrothgar couldn't get a good group out of it though. But he could with the Frankenglock!

We are still trying to figure out what is going on there. Posted by: blaster
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Recoil impulse is one of those things that can affect material strength both in amplitude force of and longitude of the recoil impulse wave.

Developers often use high speed cameras to catch polymer material flex points during firing and I think that the price has come down on them. On of the contributors on The Firearm Blog or perhaps Ammoland has one and does some interesting sequences. Might contact him about it.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (bDjBG)

160 GWB, that .45 Long Colt ammo won't fit in your 1911.
Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 04, 2022 07:57 PM (DzsA0)

LOL, I should have noticed that!

(But it would give me an excuse to buy another gun!)

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (Od0u9)

161 I think that should read "Common Sense Gun Law".
Posted by: GWB


I think you are spot on!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (hOUT3)

162 Excuse me, I would like to fly 30 gallons worth of your plane.
Posted by: polynikes at December 04, 2022 08:13 PM (l4ZPt

That'll be start up, taxi and return to hanger from the runway.

500 bucks please.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:15 PM (6VKyY)

163 Yeah, long colt is for wheel gubs

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:15 PM (6VKyY)

164 Hey guys! Hi weasel!

Andycanuck, please work on your hand and wrist strength. I feel really strongly about owning weapons you cannot handle. It's dangerous and unwise. There are different techniques for racking a heavy slide, some of which seen counterintuitive at first, but after practice work quite well. I also have problems with hand and wrist strength, but I've worked hard to be able to easily manipulate all of the guns I have.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2022 08:16 PM (U2p+3)

165 One thing I re-learned after using the semi-autos mentioned above. Loading those magazines is a PIA and kind of painful when your hands are cold. Even loading magazines for a Ruger Mk II gets old fast. Dug out a Maglula and it made loading and unloading so much easier. The model I have will work for 9mm and 45acp. Definitely recommended.
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Sounds like I need one of those too. Thanks for the tip; and I just bookmarked one at random to remind me to look for one here.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:16 PM (Vwz3I)

166 Nurse is wise and spot on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at December 04, 2022 08:17 PM (5pTK/)

167 Hrothgar brought a pistol bench rest

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 07:59 PM (pwExq)

Ooh! What kind? How did you use it? Did you use bags with it?

I ask, because I used mine for the first time this week, and found it had a problem with the bench not really being deep enough for it, and some general "Hmmm, I'll have to play with this more" thoughts.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:17 PM (Od0u9)

168 Hello, nurse.

Nice pic of your cleaning station.

Posted by: SMH at December 04, 2022 08:17 PM (tizKA)

169 *sidles up to Blake's 1911s* How YOU doin'?
Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:10 PM (pkAcY)

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Heh.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at December 04, 2022 08:18 PM (5pTK/)

170
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 04, 2022 08:14 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Howdy!!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:18 PM (4jEJr)

171 Posted by: polynikes at December 04, 2022 08:13 PM (l4ZPt)

That's probably enough gas to take off, circle the field, and land again. Don't forget that back in the day, the fuel these warbirds used was 100+ octane fuel. Today's unleaded just won't give you the same "oomph" as the old aviation gas did.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:18 PM (/lmRp)

172 PSA had Taylors and Co 5" 1911 on sale last week for $299. I attempted to avail myself. Alas, an end of the season canoe accident intervened.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:02 PM (L3byd)

Heh. That's almost the one I got. I splurged for the one with the rail. Again, a full report next week.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:19 PM (Od0u9)

173 Excuse me, I would like to fly 30 gallons worth of your plane.

Posted by: polynikes at December 04, 2022 08:13 PM


So, about half an hour. Okay.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 04, 2022 08:20 PM (iZEhM)

174 I only had the pleasure of meeting Jesse (and you) at TxMoMe 2021, but I miss him as well.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:02 PM (XEl8M)

NoVaMoMe for me, and yeah, he impressed me as one good guy.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:20 PM (Od0u9)

175 Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2022 08:16 PM (U2p+3)
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Absolutely 100%

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:21 PM (4jEJr)

176 Holy moley! Are you going to have to make your own ammo for that? I can hardly find 20ga when I look. (I don't need it so I haven't looked that hard. But I was considering one of those Shockwaves in 20ga, so was keeping an eye on it.)

You should definitely give us a few pics and some info about that shotgun, SiD. It sounds interesting.
Posted by: GWB
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Sure, will do. Have to get a stuck (spent) shell out first!

My local Murdoch's had no 16 gauge at all and the guy looked at me funny when I asked. Normally I find their ammo selection to be pretty good. 496 found some at Sportsman's.

I'm currently undecided about whether I'll shoot this one again. Glad I did though. Again thanks 496.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:21 PM (pkAcY)

177 Went to the range with MAE yesterday.

Man oh man. He was in the groove. It was fun to watch.

I had a not great day, accuracy wise. But, I did enjoy my visit and sat down and spent an hour deep cleaning my PPQ. Ahhhhh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2022 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

178 AndyCanuck,

I am going to go old school. If you can obtain one firearm that will improve your shooting of other firearms, consider a revolver. If you can shoot a revolver accurately in double action, then rifles, striker or hammer fired handguns are a piece of cake. The reason is that you have to learn absolute trigger control shooting double action on a revolver and no tricks like trying to catch the link etc. work. You have to control the full trigger range with your finger at a substantially heavier weight than semi autos or rifles. Think of it as weight training for your trigger finger.

The manual of arms is easier and good ole revolvers are easier to reload cheaply if supply lines get cut. Loading 38 Special cartridges is about as easy as it gets for reloading and 38 Special brass last nearly forever.

Otherwise, a Glock is a choice I would probably make as supply of parts, easy of use and repair, plus aftermarket parts makes them preferable as handguns in a lot of areas of the world.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:22 PM (bDjBG)

179 @Jim SND - there is a lot of info on the net about the 3D printing gubs though it is actually starting to get disappeared. Youtube has really cracked down on it. But they can't stop the signal!

I did radius the holes on this new build with a rat tail file. I won't know if that helps as I also am using fresh PLA + and a different brand.

Printing in nylon is most preferred and included in the update (I know, I know, its in the content) but they say that a Nylon print that gets heat treated in an oven will be close to OEM strength. I am not set up to print nylon so haven't tried printing that medium for anything yet.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:23 PM (pwExq)

180 *wanders back over to Gab*

Posted by: SMH at December 04, 2022 08:23 PM (tizKA)

181 P47 fuel tank holds 370 gallons. 30 won't even turn the low fuel light off.

Posted by: fd at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (sn5EN)

182 Holy crap! I need somebody to bring all of those cleaning tools to my bathroom. I'll just be over here dunking my firearm in Hoppe's No.9.

Posted by: Dr. Bone



I hope when you are Hoppe's No. 9 dippin', you hold the weapon gingerly with finger and thumb upon the furthest part of the butt/grip, much like Achilles' mother Thetis did when dippin' him in the Styx back in the day.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (ylYAl)

183 177 Went to the range with MAE yesterday.

Man oh man. He was in the groove. It was fun to watch.

I had a not great day, accuracy wise. But, I did enjoy my visit and sat down and spent an hour deep cleaning my PPQ. Ahhhhh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2022 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

You did really, really well at the end when you slowed down. Heck, your last PPQ string was practically one hole.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (xcxpd)

184 That's probably enough gas to take off, circle the field, and land again. Don't forget that back in the day, the fuel these warbirds used was 100+ octane fuel. Today's unleaded just won't give you the same "oomph" as the old aviation gas did.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:18 PM


Your basic aviation gasoline is 100 octane leaded. There is, or rather are, 100 octane unleaded gasolines that have been approved with STCs (supplemental type certificate) for various airplanes. I don't think you can get 110 octane avgas any more.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (iZEhM)

185 What you're trying for, is to minimize "stress-risers" in the material. Which, are most pronounced where sharp edges occur, such as where a hole meets the flat surface of a frame.
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Just like in Forged in Fire!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (Vwz3I)

186 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:21 PM (pkAcY)

Lucky Gunner has 16 gauge birdshot in stock for $0.80 to $1 a round. Were you shooting birdshot or buckshot out of that 16 gauge?

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (/lmRp)

187 Your next attempt will be exciting to see.
Posted by: Draki at December 04, 2022 08:12 PM (6Qsn1)

Hopefully not TOO exciting!

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:25 PM (Od0u9)

188 Heh. That's almost the one I got. I splurged for the one with the rail. Again, a full report next week. - GWB

Yeah, I needed a 1911 I can shoot. My dad's old pre-war unit (1918 by SN) is beloved, but too collectable to shoot much anymore.

Needed an inexpensive single stack. The Para P12 covers the double stack needs quite nicely.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:25 PM (L3byd)

189 My range visit next week will be with my new Sig P226. It came with a red dot (Sig's Romeo red dot).

I have never fired a red dot on a handgun before. I don't know if I will like it or not. Some people like them, some don't. Seems like re-acquiring the red dot after trigger pull is the biggest difficulty

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:25 PM (6VKyY)

190 Field report:
Went to Son's Fri afternoon for a weekend of whitetail hunting. Last hunt and last time I shot a rifle was 2019 (2020 in the hospital with the Coof and 2021 in the hospital following a heart attack). My rifle has been treated well since then, but I had not confirmed zero. Son was doubtful, so I used one of his (Marlin 375). I never shot that file nor optic nor caliber and the load was one of his handloads. He told me it was dead on at 100 yds and I accepted that...

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 08:25 PM (8C7+r)

191 I'm currently undecided about whether I'll shoot this one again. Glad I did though. Again thanks 496.
Posted by: screaming in digital

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SiD, the 16 gauge is probably one of the finer field shotguns for game around. The issue is that it is not nearly as popular as years ago and ammunition supply is often difficult during shortages. That being said, online shopping can get you 16 gauge choices at the best online ammo dealers.

I am setting up to reload shotshells just for my 16 and 28 gauge shotties as I empty shell casings. In my case, I wonder if I shoot in order to reload.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:26 PM (bDjBG)

192 I just now finished a heapin' helpin' of shrimp and grits, sippin'on some bourbon. And now these purty gubs!

Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

193 172 PSA had Taylors and Co 5" 1911 on sale last week for $299. I attempted to avail myself. Alas, an end of the season canoe accident intervened.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:02 PM (L3byd)


I almost had to spring for that also - three bills for a real live 1911? - but it claims to be a 1911 A1 but the frame doesn't have the scallops by the trigger so it looks like a non-A1. Apparently it has all the other A1 features though.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:27 PM (pwExq)

194 Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 08:26 PM (0OP+5)
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Two bowls of cheesy grits tonight. Sadly, no srimps

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:28 PM (4jEJr)

195 please work on your hand and wrist strength. I feel really strongly about owning weapons you cannot handle.
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Definitely, nurse; and if I can't handle it, I'll definitely be looking at revolvers instead.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:28 PM (Vwz3I)

196 I just now finished a heapin' helpin' of shrimp and grits, sippin'on some bourbon. And now these purty gubs!
Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 08:26 PM

Life is good.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 08:28 PM (Wnv9h)

197 Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:17 PM (Od0u9)

I bought a Caldwell brand "Pistolero" pistol bench rest at a very reasonable price. It is plastic but seems well made enough for evaluation purposes with an adjustable height barrel support. As I expected, it does require a solid range table because it can walk, thus requiring you to re-acquire the target after every shot,
Sadly, the device was incinerated after it seemed to prove that the shooter (Hrothgar) was a significant part of the performance issue being tested.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 08:28 PM (hOUT3)

198 If you can shoot a revolver accurately in double action, then rifles, striker or hammer fired handguns are a piece of cake. The reason is that you have to learn absolute trigger control shooting double action on a revolver and no tricks like trying to catch the link etc. work. You have to control the full trigger range with your finger at a substantially heavier weight than semi autos or rifles. Think of it as weight training for your trigger finger.
Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:22 PM (bDjBG)

Excellent advice as usual whig.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2022 08:29 PM (R/m4+)

199 Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 04, 2022 08:24 PM (iZEhM)

I think you're correct. I've always wondered about fuel compatibility between the fuel those old warbirds were designed for and what's available today. Either way, it can't be cheap to keep them in the air.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:30 PM (/lmRp)

200 A modular design might work there with separate grips (AR types might work) versus the rest of the frame.
Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 07:55 PM (bDjBG)


If you look at the printed AR's out there they look weird because they have to add material in exactly the places you point out.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:30 PM (pwExq)

201 Mailto not working test test

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 04, 2022 08:30 PM (gMngZ)

202 Great range reports and, yes, I like the zen of cleaning pic Nurse put up. Very nice.

Have a great evening, everyone.

As per usual, great job, weasel.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at December 04, 2022 08:30 PM (5pTK/)

203 You can get those grip strength squeezy things from Walmart. They will improve your grip strength a lot.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:31 PM (6VKyY)

204 I am 64 and losing my body to a late-blooming variety of Muscular Dystrophy which is "progressive, debilitating, and as-yet incurable". My .45 1911 is now too heavy for me to hold up to eye level, and my 12 ga 1100 skeet / duck gun (depending on barrel) is useless to me as my shoulder muscles can no longer bring it up into postion.

Two years ago, after watching the shenanigans in the streets, I built an AR pistol, wholly legal at the time. It has a sling, folding iron sights, and a green aiming laser/light, the idea being I can hang it from my neck (so I can use my cane to walk) and fire from the hip using the laser to aim. Zeroed at 25yds, it will hit within a 5" circle from point-blank to over 150yds. It could be shoulder-fired, but I can't fire it that way.

Clueless Joe and his SS at the ATF want to strip me of my ability to defend myself and what's mine. Amnesty, my ass; in order to apply, I'd have to waive my 5th Amendment-protected right against self-incrimination. Further, the ATF does not write law, so they may not change the rules arbitrarily; making this item illegal when it was OK two years ago is exactly what the founders meant by ex-post-facto decrees. NFW...

Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 04, 2022 08:31 PM (DzsA0)

205 Thanks, all, for the advice; and I typed #195 before reading your other comments, like whig's, as I'm a bit behind in reading the thread tonight.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:31 PM (Vwz3I)

206 Take a look at this vid from WeaselAcres - I was shooting a Model 64 revolver in double action as whig describes.

https://tinyurl.com/3jzmp8y9

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:32 PM (4jEJr)

207 Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:25 PM (L3byd)

Tisas (Turkey) and Rock Island (Philippines) both have 1911s available for about $400 each new. I think that's about as cheap as you can get a 1911 new these days.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:34 PM (/lmRp)

208 Smith makes a nice airweight 38 in DAO. Great little carry gun

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:35 PM (6VKyY)

209 the frame doesn't have the scallops by the trigger

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:27 PM (pwExq)

Huh. The "tactical" version I bought seems to have scallops behind the trigger. I wonder if the picture for the mentioned gun was wrong? (I've been informed by several places that they only post what the manufacturer gives them - which really sucks sometimes.)

When I send the report in, maybe you'll see it in the pics.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:35 PM (Od0u9)

210 Lucky Gunner has 16 gauge birdshot in stock for $0.80 to $1 a round. Were you shooting birdshot or buckshot out of that 16 gauge?
Posted by: Ed L
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The box says Game Load Hi Brass 2 3/4 inch shells. There are pictures of birds on the box. So, birdshot? Yes, I'm clueless.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:35 PM (pkAcY)

211 So, question I had - red dots on handguns. Yes or no?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:36 PM (6VKyY)

212 Not a lot to offer tonight. I’m enjoying other people getting into their gubs.

Posted by: RI Red at December 04, 2022 08:37 PM (+5YjI)

213 Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:32 PM (4jEJr)

That's some classy video work and some great shooting!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 08:37 PM (hOUT3)

214 When I send the report in, maybe you'll see it in the pics.
Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:35 PM (Od0u9)

Clearly we will have to compare notes.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:37 PM (L3byd)

215 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 08:28 PM (hOUT3)

That's the same one I had purchased. I ended up (for my 1911s) taking the back wrist pad off and just using a bag under my hands. That worked pretty well. Even better when I remembered the forward elevation adjustment.

Mine showed that my 9mm 1911 is not as good as some of those higher-priced models. I need to adjust some things and check again.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:38 PM (Od0u9)

216 211 So, question I had - red dots on handguns. Yes or no?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:36 PM (6VKyY)


Yes. Next question.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:38 PM (pwExq)

217
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 08:37 PM (hOUT3)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:39 PM (4jEJr)

218 Blaster - how many rounds before you had no issue reacquiring the dot?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:39 PM (6VKyY)

219 For those interested in 16 gauge, Lee makes a 16 gauge Load-All. The 12 and 20 gauge versions work great. If you can find the components, it might be worth checking out.

Posted by: JTB at December 04, 2022 08:39 PM (7EjX1)

220 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:35 PM (pkAcY)

Yes, birdshot. Hi-brass implies a pretty powerful load. No wonder your shoulder was sore. Try some low-brass loads next time. I think you'll find the recoil a bit less using that.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:40 PM (/lmRp)

221 Huh. The "tactical" version I bought seems to have scallops behind the trigger. I wonder if the picture for the mentioned gun was wrong? (I've been informed by several places that they only post what the manufacturer gives them - which really sucks sometimes.)

When I send the report in, maybe you'll see it in the pics.
Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:35 PM (Od0u9)


On the Taylor and Company website (I researched) the "Tactical" has the scallops (and rail) and the A1 does not.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:40 PM (pwExq)

222 Not a lot to offer tonight. I’m enjoying other people getting into their gubs.
Posted by: RI Red at December 04, 2022 08:37 PM

It's a good thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 08:40 PM (Wnv9h)

223 I'm also putting myself down on the 'yes' side for red dots on pistols. There's a bit of a learning curve but if you sight in your red dot just above the front sight and you have SOME sort of co-witness through the optic, the curve is pretty easy to handle.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (xcxpd)

224 So, question I had - red dots on handguns. Yes or no?

A lot of folks swear by 'em. I prefer conventional sights.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (Xrfse)

225 whig's comments about the advantages of using double action revolvers is spot on.

And you don't have to pick up the brass!!

Posted by: JTB at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (7EjX1)

226 Tisas (Turkey) and Rock Island (Philippines) both have 1911s available for about $400 each new. I think that's about as cheap as you can get a 1911 new these days.
Posted by: Ed L
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Yep, I got my Rock Island 1911 for $400 from Sportsman's Warehouse, Memorial Day sale. Usually this one runs about $450 from what I've seen. I love it and would highly recommend, but it may be worth putting a bit more in for better sights. The sights on mine are very hard to use. Paint/whiteout would help some. But I love it. And I take it to the range almost every time, which I'm not comfortable doing with J's Colt 1911. Did I mention I love my 1911?

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (pkAcY)

227 Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:36 PM (6VKyY)

Yes. IF you practice using it. If you don't, it's about as useful as a hood ornament on your handgun.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:42 PM (/lmRp)

228 223 I'm also putting myself down on the 'yes' side for red dots on pistols. There's a bit of a learning curve but if you sight in your red dot just above the front sight and you have SOME sort of co-witness through the optic, the curve is pretty easy to handle.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (xcxpd)

Yeah, that's what I'll be doing most of the day. Trying to sight it in. I was planning on half post though.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:42 PM (6VKyY)

229 And you don't have to pick up the brass!!
Posted by: JTB
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And for the 'ettes, no brass in the brassiere!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:42 PM (pkAcY)

230 205 Thanks, all, for the advice; and I typed #195 before reading your other comments, like whig's, as I'm a bit behind in reading the thread tonight.
Posted by: andycanuck

Andycanuck,
Look for a used Smith Model 10 K Frame or its variants or the same revolver in stainless which are the Model 64-66 with a 3-4 inch service barrel. The three inch are easier to carry if necessary but the 4 inch was the standard service length for years. All of them, are capable of shooting if in good condition of accuracy that will astound you.

I would not start with the smaller J Frame snubbies--more difficult trigger to master and shorter length of sight to aim with. Intrinsically, they are as accurate as K Frame Smiths but easier for user error in affecting accuracy.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:43 PM (bDjBG)

231 Yeah, watching the ladies do the hot brass dance is fun.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:43 PM (6VKyY)

232 218 Blaster - how many rounds before you had no issue reacquiring the dot?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:39 PM (6VKyY)


I had NO problem at the range reacquiring the dot - though some shooters do. BUT - I found that while in motion its a different story. It didn't take many rounds to get into dot reacquisition after that (less than 20) but it was definitely different than static firing.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:44 PM (pwExq)

233 On the Taylor and Company website (I researched) the "Tactical" has the scallops (and rail) and the A1 does not.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:40 PM (pwExq)

Oh! That's interesting. I wonder why the difference? The tactical also has the skeletonized trigger and hammer, of course, and the other one did not. (I think they look snazzier; I doubt they do anything for me.)

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 08:44 PM (Od0u9)

234 Honestly, the J frame is the most accurate shooting gun I have.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:44 PM (6VKyY)

235 Awww. Pogo just used the doggie door to go outside. First time in two years.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 08:45 PM (tkR6S)

236 The box says Game Load Hi Brass 2 3/4 inch shells. There are pictures of birds on the box. So, birdshot? Yes, I'm clueless.
Posted by: screaming in digital

Yes. Buckshot usually has a picture of bucks and I haven't seen 16 gauge slugs in years.

SiD, try this Gun News Daily article on shot size of shotgun shells. https://tinyurl.com/26wnzcf4

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:45 PM (bDjBG)

237 Not a lot to offer tonight. I’m enjoying other people getting into their gubs.

That's pretty much my habit here. Love the gub but enjoy the banter and wisdom. Sometimes it's better to be seen and not heard, especially in my case. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 08:46 PM (Xrfse)

238 Field Report, cont'd:
Reviewed map and his game cam photos Fri evening while he and his sweetie worked on 4 does hanging in the garage. New spot for me. Early morning looked out, due to game movement, so slept in Sat morning.

Got to the blind around 1330. Not expecting action until 1600. Favorable wind and it was brisk. Blind was situated for a game approach from the right.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 08:47 PM (8C7+r)

239 My RIA 1911/.45 is dead on, as nurse will attest from 2 years ago. It ain't a Colt, Sig, or Kimber (which Mrs.E wants me to keep in virginal unfired state) but it shoots pretty dang good.

Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 08:47 PM (0OP+5)

240 Did I mention I love my 1911?
Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM

Mmm...1911.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2022 08:48 PM (Wnv9h)

241 190 Iron Mike....

And the rest of the story?

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 04, 2022 08:48 PM (qDxxi)

242 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (pkAcY)

The old school GI sights were always difficult to use. Contemporary accounts complain about this in WWII through the years until the 1911 finally left service in the 1990s. Personally, I like the three dot sighting system. If you do decide to swap out your sights, I recommend having a gunsmith do it for you unless you know what you're doing (like whig).

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:48 PM (/lmRp)

243 SiD, try this Gun News Daily article on shot size of shotgun shells. https://tinyurl.com/26wnzcf4
Posted by: whig
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Thanks whig!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:48 PM (pkAcY)

244 234 Honestly, the J frame is the most accurate shooting gun I have.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

They can be intrinsically and that has been verified by lab tests using Ransom rests. The J Frame though has a harder trigger to master as its geometry is different causing heavier springs to get the same hammer impulse than a K Frame. Also harder to find a smith to slick up a J Frame versus a K Frame without sacrificing reliability in popping the primers when you need it.

I like snubbies myself but I learned on a K Frame.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:48 PM (bDjBG)

245 The 1911 frame is inherently accurate by design. Heavy spring, heavy gun. Low recoil and slide trigger makes for accurate pew pew.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:49 PM (6VKyY)

246 Tisas (Turkey) and Rock Island (Philippines) both have 1911s available for about $400 each new. I think that's about as cheap as you can get a 1911 new these days.
Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:34 PM (/lmRp)


There are a couple of SDS deals out there right now in the low $300s. I am not clear on how the Turkish brands differentiate - it seems like SDS is Tisas is Girsan. Though they seem to sell different models under the different names.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:49 PM (pwExq)

247 Thanks whig!
Posted by: screaming in digital

SiD, don't hesitate to ask for any help here on on any other thread after 100 comments.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:49 PM (bDjBG)

248 I need to adjust some things and check again.
Posted by: GWB


The Pistorero rest could be warped into a G19 scenario, but I think I were to do this again, I would tinker with a bag support and play with the table configuration for a bit before ever attempting a shot.
For my purposes, using this rest seemed to confirm that in a relatively fixed base firing position, the pistol itself provided reasonable groups.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 08:49 PM (hOUT3)

249 Some out there talking about 3D printing molds for Aluminum. There is quite a bit to it. Matching the Cope and Drag is paramount (there are two side to the plate you make). The "mold" has to be gated and vented. Sand mixture and propper milling of the sand is important too. Most important is safety. Aluminum at pour temp is around 1500°f and that if spilt will go right throught most boots and the foot inside.

I do this stuff for a living right now. Lot of fun if metal shop was your thing when America had them in school. It is just a lost of work to do proper sand casting. Doable but difficult.

Posted by: Reforger at December 04, 2022 08:50 PM (5gbPW)

250 And you don't have to pick up the brass!!
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Definitely.

And at least 4" [or 4-1/8"?] is the legal minimum barrel size here even for revolvers but I'll take a look for the one's you mentioned, Whig.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:50 PM (Vwz3I)

251 Howdy horde, howdy Weasel!
Off to have vittles, be back to read in a bit.
Have fun!

Thanks again Weasel!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at December 04, 2022 08:51 PM (0pOPf)

252 So, question I had - red dots on handguns. Yes or no?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:36 PM


I was initially interested in 'red dots' as an aid for my wife, who has some vision issues. She has not warmed up to them. I've played with on semi-seriously for most of the year. I set it up to co-witness with the iron sights. It's only been the last few weeks that I use the red dot semi-exclusively.

I have a Holosun with a 64 MOA circle and a 2 MOA dot in the center (you can select either or both). I'm now on the yes side in principle, but not yet there for carry.

I'd recommend green over red, if that's an option on your sight. Primary Arms has an exclusive Holosun reticle that looks interesting. Some have reported issues w/Holosuns, I've had zero.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 08:51 PM (a3Q+t)

253 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at December 04, 2022 08:51 PM (0pOPf)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:52 PM (4jEJr)

254 Hey Weasel…
Range day here and some good work at 21’ on “shapes” targets. Only one flyer so I enjoyed the day. Now we’re at a Christmas party with our most Progressive friends. Ha ha. If they only knew what I’ve been doing all day.

Fingers crossed, Rhomboid and I might collaborate on some new cigar offerings!!

Meanwhile back to the cocktails and Barack adulation.

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:52 PM (Rcdka)

255 Awww. Pogo just used the doggie door to go outside. First time in two years.
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:53 PM (Vwz3I)

256 I much prefer larger frame revolvers. I'm as accurate with a 686 as I am with any semi-auto. Obviously not a CC weapon but a hell of a gub.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 08:53 PM (Xrfse)

257 245 The 1911 frame is inherently accurate by design. Heavy spring, heavy gun. Low recoil and slide trigger makes for accurate pew pew.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:49 PM (6VKyY)

Indeed, PBUH the most excellent JMB.

I grew up shooting the old one....but the last time I took it to the range the RSO offered to buy it before I even had it loaded. So I haven't shot it for a couple years....and it needs a new staked front sight.

So I needed an inexpensive 1911 to shoot routinely, and this fit the bill. If the dredging operations are successful, I may have the chance to actually try it out.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (L3byd)

258 I do this stuff for a living right now. Lot of fun if metal shop was your thing when America had them in school. It is just a lost of work to do proper sand casting. Doable but difficult.
Posted by: Reforger at December 04, 2022 08:50 PM (5gbPW)

Perhaps you can answer a question that has been puzzling me. Is it possible to remelt old pot metal die castings, e.g. zamak, and make useful sand castings from it? Stuff seems to have no scrap value. Scrap out a few cars, or old appliances, and you will soon have many pounds of the stuff.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (tkR6S)

259 BTW … how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”? My carry is secured in the trunk

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (Rcdka)

260 686 was a service pistol for a lot of po-po for a long time.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:55 PM (6VKyY)

261 Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:50 PM (Vwz3I)

I think it's 4 1/4 inches. Colt specifically lengthened the Python's 4" barrel to 4 1/4 inches so the new Python could be sold in Canada in that barrel length.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:55 PM (/lmRp)

262 The old school GI sights were always difficult to use. Contemporary accounts complain about this in WWII through the years until the 1911 finally left service in the 1990s. Personally, I like the three dot sighting system. If you do decide to swap out your sights, I recommend having a gunsmith do it for you unless you know what you're doing (like whig).
Posted by: Ed L

Heh Ed L.
I just learned by screwing up and then fixing it. Make a mistake once, you tend to remember it. I try not to repeat those but Murphy will insure that I make new ones.

It helps that I buy used anyway and restore them or fix what ills them.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:55 PM (bDjBG)

263 Field report 3:

About 1645, we get action Two does. From the left, of course. Ground slopes up to the left. Leaning forward, I could just see one heading downslope and to the front of our. Son would take the one I hadn't spotted (left most and higher upslope). I'd fire first, then lean back so I wasn't masking his shot. He was shooting roundball from a muzzleloader.

Took my shot (about 60 yards) and we both observed "Fur", meaning a puff of fur floating in the air from a hit.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 08:55 PM (8C7+r)

264 259 BTW … how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”? My carry is secured in the trunk
Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (Rcdka

If they ask you not to, I wouldn't. Or find friends who aren't hostile to it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 08:55 PM (6VKyY)

265 And thanks as always to our magnificent host, Mr. Weasel.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:56 PM (L3byd)

266 Or find friends who aren't hostile to it.

+1

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 08:57 PM (Xrfse)

267 If you do decide to swap out your sights, I recommend having a gunsmith do it for you unless you know what you're doing (like whig).
Posted by: Ed L
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You phrased that very kindly, but you know I have no idea what I'm doing. :-)

One thing I need is glasses that allow me to focus on the front sight of a pistol. My Sig has better sights but I can't focus on it either. Jim SND recommended taking the slide off and bringing it to an eye doc visit (unless the doc is a Karen), but I haven't followed this excellent advice yet.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:57 PM (pkAcY)

268 And you don't have to pick up the brass!!
Posted by: JTB at December 04, 2022 08:41 PM (7EjX1)

That could come in handy.

Posted by: RI Red at December 04, 2022 08:58 PM (+5YjI)

269 255 Awww. Pogo just used the doggie door to go outside. First time in two years.
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:53 PM (Vwz3I)


One spit take to Team Canada!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 08:58 PM (XEl8M)

270 That's a long time to hold it in!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 08:53 PM (Vwz3I)

Last two years, because of Covid, Pogo had to stay home while flew to AZ. Got to drive here this year so she came with me, of course. Sp she had to reaquaint herself with the doggie door here. She remembered.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 08:58 PM (tkR6S)

271 I had a "red dot on everything" mantra, though I have modified that to "red dot on ALMOST everything."

Retrofitting semi-autos with an adapter plate works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't - it adds mass to the slide that wasn't designed for it. There are ways to compensate that are more or less successful and that introduced my modified mantra.

BUT - my 29 year old eyes preference is always for red dot.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 08:58 PM (pwExq)

272 Perhaps you can answer a question that has been puzzling me. Is it possible to remelt old pot metal die castings, e.g. zamak, and make useful sand castings from it? Stuff seems to have no scrap value. Scrap out a few cars, or old appliances, and you will soon have many pounds of the stuff.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (tkR6S)

I know what you mean and I don't know. I've never considered it. I just shitcan the stuff into the steel recycle bin at work.

Posted by: Reforger at December 04, 2022 08:59 PM (5gbPW)

273 Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 04, 2022 08:56 PM (L3byd)
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Aw shucks!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 08:59 PM (4jEJr)

274 And at least 4" [or 4-1/8"?] is the legal minimum barrel size here even for revolvers but I'll take a look for the one's you mentioned, Whig.
Posted by: andycanuck

New ones, I do know have to be 4.2 or so in length. Ruger has changed all of its to that std so no problem with them in Canada. Dunno about Smith and Wesson.

Old used ones might grandfather in shorter barrels such as 4 inch, but Canadian laws might not be that generous. I would check with provincial and national law registries to comply with all laws.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 08:59 PM (bDjBG)

275 Not sure what to admire more:. Secondcitylurker's fortitude amidst Obama worship or Pogo's bladder capacity...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 04, 2022 08:59 PM (bUGMk)

276 I think it's 4 1/4 inches.
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Yes; I just bookmarked the S&W page for it -- now onto Whig's other suggestions.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 09:00 PM (Vwz3I)

277 Good evening all.
No range report because I am away.
Just wanted to comment on the 1911 discussion. I can't say enough about my Kimber Aegis. 9 mm, equipped with a vortex Venom red dot. Pick it up and hit the target. It is certainly less than a Wilson Combat but pricier than some of the ones discussed here. It is really worth it. Made in the USA too.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 04, 2022 09:00 PM (YZJlF)

278 Must ease out for the night. Giggles and GrandKid have dinner ready. ThanX1 to all and Weasel, thank You for all the work. We DO need to see the Weasel Dog and FunSized Joe. Later, all

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at December 04, 2022 09:00 PM (gMngZ)

279 Notorious…
Wife’s, not mine. Wife is a keeper

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 09:01 PM (Rcdka)

280 Posted by: McGyver at December 04, 2022 09:00 PM (gMngZ)
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Nite amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:01 PM (4jEJr)

281 Cont'd:

As a longtime 1911 shooter, I have a problem with pistols carried without a manual safety. I also have lost the use of my right trigger finger, so I use my middle finger on the trigger, and simply can't pull a heavy trigger. I looked for several years, hoping someone would make an alloy-frame 7/8-scale 1911 Commander in 9mm with a full-length round-butt frame; the Kimber Micro 9 is a little Officer's model with an awful trigger, the Browning is a .380, the Sig 238 is the same as the KM9, the Springfield EMP is lovely but 2-3x what I can afford... Someone suggested the Sig P365X or XL, so I tried one and liked it.

Bought a new P365 - MS with external ambi safety, tritium night sights, and two 10-round mags for $400 at Rural King on sale; included was a coupon from Sig for an additional mag and a box of ammo. I installed the flat trigger from the X-series P365 pistols and an Armory Craft 4-spring kit. Round-butt/finger grip magazine extensions and a Hogue slip-on rubber grip, all FDE in color, and a Kydex IWB holster, also FDE, allow me to tuck it into my khakis at 3:30-4:00 almost invisibly. It weighs 18oz empty. Spent <$500. All good.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 04, 2022 09:01 PM (DzsA0)

282 Field Report 4:

So, I leaned back and racked the lever as Son reported my doe was bonding off, but not so spry looking. He directed his attention back to his doe, but she was gone.

We waited couple of minutes and he reported the second doe was skylined upslope. He was in no hurry for another harvest so he suggested I take the shot, if I could. Used the handy cell phone app to buy another tag.r

I really had to lean forward a lot and contort to the left because of the blind's orientation. Grabbed a monopole shooting stick and engaged. Estimated range 120 yds, so laid the reticle on the top edge about a foot forward from center.

Shot and I lost the sight picture. Sone reported flopped right there. We waited another 5 minutes, then left the blind to move upslope.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 09:01 PM (8C7+r)

283 So she had to reaquaint herself with the doggie door here. She remembered.
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 09:01 PM (Vwz3I)

284 BTW … how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”? My carry is secured in the trunk
Posted by: Secondcitylurker

You have anti 2A 'friends'?

Okaaaaay. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2022 09:02 PM (qoGsy)

285 @Duncanthrax I recall you have a P365XL with Holosun - that isn't your carry? It just ended up in the pond?

P365 with Romeo Zero is my EDC.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:02 PM (pwExq)

286 272 Perhaps you can answer a question that has been puzzling me. Is it possible to remelt old pot metal die castings, e.g. zamak, and make useful sand castings from it? Stuff seems to have no scrap value. Scrap out a few cars, or old appliances, and you will soon have many pounds of the stuff.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

AOP,
I do know that zinc or its alloys mess up bullet casting with lead as it affects the fill of molds.

Think some people have played around with casting zinc bullets in the day but the latest Zamak 3 (dunno the actual alloy composition) is reported much stronger than just 'pot metal' and is being used in some firearm frames nowadays.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:03 PM (bDjBG)

287 If they only knew what I’ve been doing all day.

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:52 PM (Rcdka)

You should have done a full cleaning before going to the party. That way you smelled nicely of Hoppe's No 9.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:03 PM (Od0u9)

288 Mrs. E insisted on CT red dots on all her carrys and occasionally I carry one of those, either a S&W Airweight or Kimber Micro9. She never even switches them on. But I do.

Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 09:03 PM (0OP+5)

289 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 08:57 PM (pkAcY)

Are you using bifocals? I stopped using them because the way most bifocals work make it difficult for me to focus on the front sight. You might want to consider using a sight that's brighter or stands out color wise, like a fiber optic for day use or tritium if you plan on shooting in low light conditions.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)

290 284
You have anti 2A 'friends'?

Okaaaaay. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2022 09:02 PM (qoGsy)
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I read that as fiends. Fits.

Posted by: Ciampino - probably the reason I don't fancy many smoked foods at December 04, 2022 09:03 PM (qfLjt)

291 Here ya go...the 686: https://tinyurl.com/knvrjae3

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 09:04 PM (Xrfse)

292 how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”?

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (Rcdka)

Would you use it to save their lives if you were carrying it?

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:04 PM (Od0u9)

293 how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”?

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (Rcdka)


Don't ask, don't tell.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:05 PM (pwExq)

294 Hi-brass implies a pretty powerful load. No wonder your shoulder was sore. Try some low-brass loads next time. I think you'll find the recoil a bit less using that.
Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 08:40 PM (/lmRp)

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That high brass was my fault - There were only a couple of boxes of 16 gauge and I grabbed one... didn't notice it said high brass til I got to the range!

Posted by: 496 at December 04, 2022 09:05 PM (w/HXf)

295 TonyPete You have anti 2A 'friends'?
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Hey, somebody has to hold down the fort in Chicago

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 09:06 PM (Rcdka)

296 Kimber Aegis. 9 mm, equipped with a vortex Venom red dot. Pick it up and hit the target. It is certainly less than a Wilson Combat but pricier than some of the ones discussed here. It is really worth it. Made in the USA too.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)

Kimber makes nice handguns Karen. Should have pride of ownership in that one. Kimber makes a nice modern revolver themselves and were advised on making it by master gunsmith, now firearms trainer, Grant Cunningham.

Grant also has a useful blog/website with lots of training tips. https://www.grantcunningham.com/

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:06 PM (bDjBG)

297 SiD - one of these will help with the recoil: https://tinyurl.com/mr357dnj

Posted by: 496 at December 04, 2022 09:06 PM (w/HXf)

298 That high brass was my fault - There were only a couple of boxes of 16 gauge and I grabbed one... didn't notice it said high brass til I got to the range!
Posted by: 496

Field loads for hi flying birds tend to be a bit stout. Some old timers prefer the 16 to the 12 because of shot density and dispersion of the shotshells of that time.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:07 PM (bDjBG)

299 Kimbers are sweet.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 09:09 PM (6VKyY)

300 TonyPete You have anti 2A 'friends'?
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Hey, somebody has to hold down the fort in Chicago
Posted by: Secondcitylurker

Yeah, understood - just being snarky.

I simply don't tell them. Folks I know wouldn't ask either. It will all work out unless you've been invited over for naked, coed Twister.

You'll have bigger issues than your weapon status anyway. . .

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2022 09:10 PM (qoGsy)

301 299 Kimbers are sweet.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 09:09 PM (6VKyY)


Have been spoiled by my (and sra blaster's) Raptor II's. That's one reason I did not feel compelled to buy one of the $300 deals because I thought I might hate it.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:10 PM (pwExq)

302 Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:06 PM (bDjBG)

"Karen"?

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:12 PM (Od0u9)

303 259 BTW … how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”? My carry is secured in the trunk
Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 08:54 PM (Rcdka)

I have this problem. I carry everywhere I won't get arrested if my carry tool is discovered. Just don't use my usual OWB carry method when visiting this friend. But I do carry as he lives in a shitty neighborhood.

Sadly, he's a Navy vet, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 09:12 PM (xcxpd)

304 Are you using bifocals? I stopped using them because the way most bifocals work make it difficult for me to focus on the front sight. You might want to consider using a sight that's brighter or stands out color wise, like a fiber optic for day use or tritium if you plan on shooting in low light conditions.
Posted by: Ed L
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Progressive lenses. I've tried contacts (had some samples) but they didn't help much. I find the sights on my S&W model 14 easier to see, and I generally shoot it a little better.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:13 PM (pkAcY)

305 The last time I shot the Kimber, I took the target home because I tore a hole right through the middle of the target I put so many rounds in the same spot. I love the red dot. I think the trick is to not hesitate when the dot is on the target. Just pull the trigger. It sounds easy but when you are used to lining up an iron sight juuust right it is counter intuitive to just let it fly.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 04, 2022 09:14 PM (YZJlF)

306 I don't know if anyone has posted about AR pistol buffer tubes, but if you have a brace, this swicharoo should keep ya legal.

https://tinyurl.com/24d8db4u

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at December 04, 2022 09:15 PM (0pOPf)

307 Hmmm. Naked coed Twister … Maybe 30 years ago. Now, not so much.

I have colleagues who won’t carry in these kinds of homes. I’m more considered. I came from the range wearing my 19x, not especially well concealed. So rather than flash someone accidentally, I chose to leave the hardware behind. Normally, I’d wear my Kahr. Pretty much disappears.

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 09:15 PM (Rcdka)

308 That's one reason I did not feel compelled to buy one of the $300 deals because I thought I might hate it.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:10 PM (pwExq)

I am now to the point of having my "armory" pretty complete. So, whereas I did have "wants" on my list, I mostly have "want upgrade" now. So, looking to upgrade to the Colt Python, looking to upgrade my 1911s. I'm happy with that, since I've filled my niches with decent guns (that don't outshoot me too badly) and can now relax and save pennies for that big buy, someday.

That is "mostly" though. Still a few weapons I would like to add. Anyone know of a sub-$600 M1 Garand out there?

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:16 PM (Od0u9)

309 293 how does the Horde feel about carry in private homes where owners are 2A “hostile”?

Posted by: Secondcitylurker

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I don't discuss firearms much with others because I choose to carry so I have no idea whether they would be anti carry or not. But, I strongly advise if you go anywhere with a firearm, don't drink and leave at the first sign of any trouble. That goes double for marijuana parties even if legal in the state, it is still illegal in fed law and there are mandatory minimums that apply to a gun being present along with federally illegal drugs.

Major thing is if you do go to a party like that, deep cover is a must and if they are the hugging source, put your hand out to shake first before the hug comes.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:16 PM (bDjBG)

310 Wife’s, not mine. Wife is a keeper

I have no doubt she is. Not meant to disparage.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 09:18 PM (Xrfse)

311 @Duncanthrax I recall you have a P365XL with Holosun - that isn't your carry? It just ended up in the pond?

P365 with Romeo Zero is my EDC.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:02 PM


A P365 (no dot) has been my main carry. I've put in an aftermarket extended barrel in the XL w/the Holosun, for which I'm not happy w/my current holsters for carry. I've got a custom kydex on order, and when it gets here (and assuming it passes muster) I'll switch to the XL as primary carry. A Commander makes the rotation at points, as well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:18 PM (a3Q+t)

312 That is "mostly" though. Still a few weapons I would like to add. Anyone know of a sub-$600 M1 Garand out there? Posted by: GWB

GWB, start with buying a CMP certified receiver and go from there. Those are bringing about 5-6 bills. Then you can go to CMP gunsmith camp to build the rest of it as they sell the parts and show you how to assemble your own beauty.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:18 PM (bDjBG)

313 SiD - one of these will help with the recoil: https://tinyurl.com/mr357dnj
Posted by: 496
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Cool. I keep a running list of gub stuff to buy and this is going on it!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:19 PM (pkAcY)

314 Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:18 PM (bDjBG)

OK, that one deserves a Holy Shitballs!
I will have to look into that!

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:20 PM (Od0u9)

315 Major thing is if you do go to a party like that, deep cover is a must and if they are the hugging source, put your hand out to shake first before the hug comes.

Heh. One of the things I learned through the years is the art of the discreet carry hug.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 09:20 PM (Xrfse)

316 Field Report 5:

Halfway up, a doe tries to get to her feet and fails back out if sight in tall ragweed. I get ready to dispatch her, but by the time I get to her, she's unconscious. There's a yearling, maybe a 2 year old, hanging by, so we scare her off by yelling. I am more concerned about finding the other one. Son and I felt this was the second doe and the first on is likely on the ground at the top of the slope or maybe on the other side.

We trudge up there and search. No blood, no trails in the weeds, noting. I look back towards the blind and can't see it. The light bulb starts to glow in my head and I go back downslope.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 09:20 PM (8C7+r)

317 Anyone know of a sub-$600 M1 Garand out there?

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:16 PM (Od0u9)

I think those days are long gone. Even rebuilt Garands are now pushing well past the $2k mark. Untouched originals from WWII are past the $5k mark.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:20 PM (/lmRp)

318 Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)

I have progressive lenses (not bifocals) and really need to research and test fire different combinations because I think poor sight acquisition is part of my problem with the Accursed Glock, ever though when I shoot Sharon's Glocks they seem to work fine for me.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:20 PM (hOUT3)

319 I am now to the point of having my "armory" pretty complete. So, whereas I did have "wants" on my list, I mostly have "want upgrade" now. So, looking to upgrade to the Colt Python, looking to upgrade my 1911s. I'm happy with that, since I've filled my niches with decent guns (that don't outshoot me too badly) and can now relax and save pennies for that big buy, someday....

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:16 PM (Od0u9)


Nation's Gun Show was here recently and DMV Moron Gun Club discussed going and I was like "I have enough guns" and then I felt weird.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (pwExq)

320 OK, 9:21 thank you time!

Thank you!

Really appreciate you all being here tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (4jEJr)

321 Notorious BFD
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No worries. No harm taken. Just having fun. Wife’s old church friends may NOT be keepers. But they were all musicians together. Christmas carols in the other room …

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (Rcdka)

322 306 I don't know if anyone has posted about AR pistol buffer tubes, but if you have a brace, this swicharoo should keep ya legal.

https://tinyurl.com/24d8db4u
Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat

That is how I build mine years ago because I could smell trouble with the ATF on their arm brace dance and bumpstocks as well.

Courts are pretty much letting the ATF define its terms absent any Scotus rulings reining in administrative agencies.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:22 PM (bDjBG)

323 and then I felt weird.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (pwExq)

ROFL!

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:22 PM (Od0u9)

324 As always, thanks for the gub, Weasel. Much appreciated, amigo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 04, 2022 09:23 PM (Xrfse)

325 Bought a new P365 - MS with external ambi safety, tritium night sights, and two 10-round mags for $400 at Rural King on sale; included was a coupon from Sig for an additional mag and a box of ammo.

Day-um! Score!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:23 PM (a3Q+t)

326 Well there's a difference between being uncomfortable with guns in your home and being anti 2A. Many of my friends would be very uncomfortable if I walked into their home with a loaded weapon. I know that. So, I leave my pistol locked in the car. I feel it's a matter of respect. I am a guest in their home.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2022 09:24 PM (U2p+3)

327 320 OK, 9:21 thank you time!

Thank you!

Really appreciate you all being here tonight.
Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (4jEJr)

It's the place to be!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 04, 2022 09:24 PM (6VKyY)

328 316 Field Report 5:

Halfway up, a doe tries to get to her feet and fails back out if sight in tall ragweed. I get ready to dispatch her, but by the time I get to her, she's unconscious. There's a yearling, maybe a 2 year old, hanging by, so we scare her off by yelling. I am more concerned about finding the other one. Son and I felt this was the second doe and the first on is likely on the ground at the top of the slope or maybe on the other side.

We trudge up there and search. No blood, no trails in the weeds, noting. I look back towards the blind and can't see it. The light bulb starts to glow in my head and I go back downslope.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 09:20 PM (8C7+r)


...pops popcorn, awaits next installment

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 04, 2022 09:24 PM (XEl8M)

329 Nation's Gun Show was here recently and DMV Moron Gun Club discussed going and I was like "I have enough guns" and then I felt weird.
Posted by: blaster


But you still check the PSA site daily, right?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:24 PM (hOUT3)

330 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:13 PM (pkAcY)

Perhaps reading glasses might help? I'm nearsighted, so ditching bifocals helped me.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:24 PM (/lmRp)

331 Night Weasel, thank you.

Thanks to all the gun peeps, see you in the funny pages.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at December 04, 2022 09:26 PM (xcxpd)

332 OK, that one deserves a Holy Shitballs!
I will have to look into that!
Posted by: GWB

If you do, build it in 7.62 NATO rather than 30-06, Unless you reload and semi autos make any brass life shorter, the 7.62 is a bit more accurate and cheaper to feed.

Cheap 30-06 ammo is gone and a lot of it is hunting loads that are not good for the longevity of your Garand.

I knew one guy that did the CMP rebuild tour a couple of years ago (pre Covid) and was deeply happy with the experience.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:26 PM (bDjBG)

333 Next Chantilly gun show New Years Eve weekend. I'm sure I can talk Blaster into attending if only to offer technical assistance.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 04, 2022 09:26 PM (YZJlF)

334 I was so excited about this weekend's shooting I forgot to ask my revolver ammo question.

I've talked about my S&W model 1917 here before. I found and purchased a "demooner" to remove empty .45 acp brass from moon clips. It's nifty! However, I have a metric crap ton of .45 auto rim, which I *believe* can be shot in this revolver without moon clips. Is that right?

I still don't like the small, smooth wood grips currently on this revolver so I want to replace with Pachmayr grips, which I already have. I think I need to remove the lanyard ring (?), and Range Master Roy says I'll need a bigger screw. (His phrasing, not mine.)

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:26 PM (pkAcY)

335 Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (4jEJr)

Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:26 PM (/lmRp)

336 Thanks Weasel and other commenters/contributors. I get to see new marksmen develop and see some cool firearms.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:27 PM (bDjBG)

337 For the eyeglass discussion, American Rifleman recently had an article on tips for senior shooters that had a good section of glasses. I was going to send a scan to SiD, but found it online, and here it is for all of us:

https://tinyurl.com/rbe2m983

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:28 PM (a3Q+t)

338 Posted by: Cowboyneal

There's a Rural King about forty miles from here, I might have to take a day trip!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:28 PM (hOUT3)

339 Night Weasel. Thanks as always! Appreciated muchly!

Posted by: Secondcitylurker at December 04, 2022 09:28 PM (Rcdka)

340 Night, Weasel. Been nice to read and ponder tonight.
In other words, I didn’t go shoot.
Hah, jk!

Posted by: RI Red at December 04, 2022 09:29 PM (+5YjI)

341 334 SiD, Yes, 45 Auto Rim will fire just fine.

Second, look at altering your pachmyr grips instead of removing the lanyard.

One rule on collectable firearms is always work on the cheapest or newest part added. That way, you can always restore it to original if selling it or giving it to a loved one.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:30 PM (bDjBG)

342 Cool. I keep a running list of gub stuff to buy and this is going on it!
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#MeToo

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 09:30 PM (Vwz3I)

343 Nation's Gun Show was here recently and DMV Moron Gun Club discussed going and I was like "I have enough guns" and then I felt weird.
Posted by: blaster


The correct answer to "how many guns do you have?" is "More than I need, less than I want."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:30 PM (a3Q+t)

344 Perhaps reading glasses might help? I'm nearsighted, so ditching bifocals helped me.
Posted by: Ed L
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Huh, I never thought of that. J had about 20 different pairs of drugstore reading glasses in various strengths. Worth a try. I'm horrendously nearsighted. Thanks, Ed L!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:30 PM (pkAcY)

345 Thank you so much, Weasel, for this thread every week. It's one of the highlights of my online reading time.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:31 PM (Od0u9)

346 Thanks Weasel.
I'm on vacation but still wouldn't miss the chance to be with all of you.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM (YZJlF)

347 SiD, .45 Auto Rim will work. That's what it's made for.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM (a3Q+t)

348 The correct answer to "how many guns do you have?" is "More than I need, less than I want."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:30 PM (a3Q+t)

Pfft.
"Almost as many as I need, and not nearly as many as I want."

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM (Od0u9)

349 The correct answer to "how many guns do you have?" is "More than I need, less than I want."
Posted by: Duncanthrax

A bad sign is when you lose count.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM (bDjBG)

350 Night, Weasel and sundry moronosphere!

Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

351 ...tips for senior shooters that had a good section of glasses. I was going to send a scan to SiD...
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Ouch!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (pkAcY)

352 Weasel, thanks for the panoply of topics and the great knowledge base you have fostered and nurtured here! It is much appreciated.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (hOUT3)

353 A bad sign is when you lose count.
Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM


Or thinking about your 4th safe.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)

354 Great! Thanks whig and Duncanthrax!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:35 PM (pkAcY)

355 A bad sign is when you lose count.
Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM (bDjBG)

Only if you're not doing it from memory.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 09:35 PM (Od0u9)

356 All y'all are most very welcome. It makes me happy that this remains a fun, polite and respectful little corner of the internet to discuss our shared interests!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:35 PM (4jEJr)

357 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:26 PM (pkAcY)

That's correct. .45 Auto Rim will do fine in a Model 1917. Save the casings, though. .45 Auto Rim is now out of production. At least I don't see any offered on any of the ammo websites anymore.

If the lanyard ring is on the butt of the revolver, I don't think removing it is necessary in order to change out the grips UNLESS the Pachmyr grips enclose the butt. You will need to check to see if the Pachmyr grips use the original grip screw to hold them in place. Don't lose the original grips (or the lanyard ring, if you remove it). They're key to preserve the gun's collectible value.

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:36 PM (/lmRp)

358 Nation's Gun Show was here recently and DMV Moron Gun Club discussed going and I was like "I have enough guns" and then I felt weird.
Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:21 PM (pwExq)

I actually put my wife into shock when I uttered those very words looking at a $1400 winning at a local casino. I still have it in the "bank".

"Of all the things I NEVER thought I would hear you say... That is the top."

Posted by: Reforger at December 04, 2022 09:36 PM (5gbPW)

359 How many guns do you have?

That's not a question I would feel comfortable answering. I guess it depends who's asking, but still. I find it kinda personal.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2022 09:36 PM (U2p+3)

360 Or thinking about your 4th safe.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

I knew one guy that simply made his house his safe. He bought when they were cheap milsurps and when teh cops ditched their revolvers for semi autos and then metal semi autos when the cops went to Glocks.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:36 PM (bDjBG)

361
Or thinking about your 4th safe.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
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But sixth is cool, right?

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:37 PM (4jEJr)

362 OpSec.

Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2022 09:37 PM (0OP+5)

363 SiD.

Look for these in the Pachmayr grips:

Pachmayr Gripper PRO N-frame, Square Butt.

The PRO is a different grip than the ordinary "Gripper". It leaves the backstrap open, for one. Another (and a great advantage), is that the finger surfaces are far more nearly flat across the finger-groove. The ordinary "Gripper", covers the backstrap (increasing "reach" to trigger), and it's finger grooves are more forward pointing ovals. The flatter grooves of the PRO do really and truly mitigate recoil far more effectively.

I just looked, and didn't find a new set on eBay. Be patient, they'll appear.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 04, 2022 09:38 PM (e6UQI)

364 Field Report 6:

Just a little upslope from the unconscious doe is when I can see the blind. Son joins me and as the light is failing, we decide he should dispatch the unconscious doe. He's got a muzzleloader and needs to fire it and that's better than using a brass cartridge.

She's lying on the entrance wound side an I see only a single exit wound right along her spine. That's consistent with her being unable to get her rear feet under her. Spinal injury making her hindquarters paralyzed.

I flip her over and see that entrance wound and another! Pretty mu where I took my first shot. High in the vitals aft of the shoulder. Flip her back over and find that exit wound. Tell Son this is deer #1 AND #2!

I'm looking the better part of 100 yds downslope to where I'm confident my first shot hit her in the vitals. We drag her back down toward the blind and Son fetches my truck. Time for a quick autopsy while field dressing.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 09:39 PM (8C7+r)

365 A bad sign is when you lose count.

That's why I keep a spreadsheet!

Posted by: Oddbob at December 04, 2022 09:40 PM (nfrXX)

366 Test

Posted by: Cayman at December 04, 2022 09:40 PM (tuYhg)

367 I have a “funny” gun safe story. For next week.

Posted by: RI Red at December 04, 2022 09:41 PM (+5YjI)

368 But sixth is cool, right?
Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:37 PM


I would say at 6 or more, you've achieved clarity on any concerns about having too many.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:41 PM (a3Q+t)

369 One rule on collectable firearms is always work on the cheapest or newest part added. That way, you can always restore it to original if selling it or giving it to a loved one.
Posted by: whig
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Good advice. The current grips are definitely not original. I'll never sell this one, as it was an outright gift from Jesse not just left in my possession (and I like it very much except for the grips). It will be left to my stepson when I die.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:41 PM (pkAcY)

370 Goodnight, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at December 04, 2022 09:41 PM (/lmRp)

371 But you still check the PSA site daily, right?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:24 PM (hOUT3)


You got me.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:42 PM (pwExq)

372 Nite Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:43 PM (4jEJr)

373 Got to the range again for a glorious 20 minutes, right before the Annual Gun Range Meeting. Lowest notch on the Uberti Yellowboy is 4” low and 1.5-2.0 right at 35 yards. Gun cycles well, although the first round is tight. A little bit of sight drifting and I’ll be centered. I may have to change the front sight for something a bit shorter. Problem is, the front sight is part of the barrel /magazine tube band…
In other news, most of our state legislators are cretins.

Posted by: Coelacanth at December 04, 2022 09:43 PM (OCzl8)

374 A bad sign is when you lose count.
Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:32 PM

Or thinking about your 4th safe.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)


Or doing floor loading calculations!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:44 PM (hOUT3)

375 All y'all are most very welcome. It makes me happy that this remains a fun, polite and respectful little corner of the internet to discuss our shared interests!
Posted by: Weasel
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I appreciate that no one ever makes me feel stupid for asking basic questions. Or needing pictures of birds on the ammo box.

And I'm about to be willowed so thank you Ed L and Jim SND!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:45 PM (pkAcY)

376 sra blaster answers she owns no guns. Which is correct. I would have to count. And the spooky one doesn't!

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:46 PM (pwExq)

377 Or thinking about your 4th safe.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2022 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)

Or doing floor loading calculations!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

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I don't feel so bad anymore. Thanks guys.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:48 PM (bDjBG)

378 Howdy Horde She quips needs to do session on how to react if someone breaks into your house while you are naked in bed ... maybe

Posted by: Big Alfredo at December 04, 2022 09:49 PM (a1Ssz)

379 I seem to be on the Gun Thread diet. It's so interesting that I forget to eat at a normal time. (let's see if I get any GAINZZZ)

Thanks again, Weasel and Horde. Hugs all around.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:49 PM (pkAcY)

380 363 +1 for what Jim suggested. I have also bought grips on ebay either old new stock or used in some circumstances when restoring an old warhorse.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:49 PM (bDjBG)

381 Thanks, Ed L.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 09:50 PM (Vwz3I)

382 SDS imports Tisas. EAA imports Girsan.

Posted by: blaster at December 04, 2022 09:52 PM (pwExq)

383 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 04, 2022 09:49 PM (pkAcY)
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Always a pleasure, SiD!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 09:52 PM (4jEJr)

384 Field Report 7:

Easy field dressing. No shots into the GI tracts, so nice and clean. Hands were cold, so the warmth was nice.

When I started to work on the diaphragm, there was a HUGE pool of blood. Hardly any at any wound. OK, a piece of data.

Got her emptied out and then set about freeing the heart and liver for the kitchen. Examined the heart (by flashlight at that point). Near as I can tell, I hit the pulmonary artery. OK, that was consistent with what I saw.

Very little wasted meat. One rib in an out on the vital shot. The spine shot missed the tenderloins.

Son's sweetheart was using a .50 Beowulf this year and I looked at a doe hanging in the garage. Exit wound looked like it was from a 40mm. Hunt three years prior, she was using one of Son's rifles chambered in .500 S&W Mag. Shoulder shot destroyed both shoulders. Both cartridges are way too much gun.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 09:55 PM (8C7+r)

385 That's why I keep a spreadsheet!
Posted by: Oddbob

Make sure to give each firearm a mostly peaceful name like Daisy, Violet, and so on in the spreadsheet.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:56 PM (bDjBG)

386 Well, I am doing a fast fade here. Was hoping to hold out for the ONT, but sleep is overtaking me. But today was a real good day for me, considering how shitty the previous three were. Tomorrow should be better still.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 09:56 PM (tkR6S)

387 Night folks.

Posted by: whig at December 04, 2022 09:58 PM (bDjBG)

388 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2022 09:56 PM (tkR6S)

Hope tomorrow is a great day for you AOP!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 04, 2022 09:58 PM (hOUT3)

389 Okay- the ONT is up, people. Thank you for being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday. Have a nice week!

Posted by: Weasel at December 04, 2022 10:00 PM (4jEJr)

390 Both cartridges are way too much gun.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 09:55 PM (8C7+r)

Shooting deer, maybe.

Posted by: GWB at December 04, 2022 10:03 PM (Od0u9)

391 Field Report 8:

Back at Son's place, beer, bourbon (4 Roses Select). Hang my Doe. Son's sweetheart saw nothing (at another spot), but the trail cam showed 3 about 30 min after dark.

Got my doe hung. Pretty big, but no scale. We estimated 120-130 lb field dressed.

Then it was story time. Heh

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 10:05 PM (8C7+r)

392 Thanks, Weasel, and Whig and Nurse too. Cheers.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 10:05 PM (Vwz3I)

393 Good story, Iron Mike Golf.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 04, 2022 10:05 PM (Vwz3I)

394 Make sure to give each firearm a mostly peaceful name like Daisy, Violet, and so on in the spreadsheet.

Weirdly, they're all named Vera.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 04, 2022 10:08 PM (nfrXX)

395 Thanks andycanuck.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 04, 2022 10:10 PM (8C7+r)

396 Hrothgar - The deal at Rural King was an email "RK deal of the week" flyer in mid-September. I'm on way too many email flyer lists these days, but one never knows when that "one great deal" will arrive. Keep an eye on gunbroker.com too; the "Tac-Pac" P365 offered 3-10 or -12 round mags, a kydex holster, a larger foam-lined tote, and the afore-mentioned coupon. Depending on seller, prices were $450-600. The P365X (longer grip) and P365XL (longer grip and barrel) already have the flat trigger, saving you $50 or so. Good luck...

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