THE MORNING RANT – Republicans Have Got to Start Voting Early to Fight the Democrats’ Voter Suppression

Conservative voters have got to let go of the principled insistence that we only vote on Election Day.

Sure, in our principled world there would only be voting on Election Day, in person, with voter ID, and sufficient paper ballots for every voter. However, we don’t live in that world, so there is no sense trying to behave as we do. Our principles are allowing liberal election administrators in blue areas to suppress election day balloting when conservatives come out to vote.

In Maricopa County (Phoenix) Arizona, almost one third of voting machines were inoperable until mid-afternoon on Election Day. Voters were given alternatives such as waiting until the machines were fixed, or voting at another precinct, or surrendering their ballots to a third party who promised to properly cast it once the problem was resolved. How many people went to another precinct only to find another line and the same problem before giving up and not voting? How ever many it was, it is an almost statistical certainty that the number exceeded zero.

Running out of paper ballots is the most effective way of suppressing votes, and there were plenty of ballot shortages awaiting Republicans who waited to vote until Election Day.

In Luzerne County, PA “dozens of polling places ran out of printer paper for ballots. Voters had to be turned away.”

A Kingwood, TX polling place ran out of paper to print ballots. “When supplies dwindled they asked for more. It never came.” Suffice it to say there was a number of voters greater than zero in Kingwood who tried to vote on Election Day but didn’t get their ballots cast.

Harris County, Texas (Houston) was pretty much open and intentional about its efforts to suppress election day ballots in conservative precincts.

“At least 12 locations in Harris County are out of paper needed to print ballots. Some have been waiting for hours for paper and turning voters away.”

We know they will do this to us, so why do we stand on our principles and allow our votes to be suppressed?

I started voting in the 1980s in heavily-Democrat Travis County, Texas (Austin). There was no early voting then, and it was simply understood that the election administrator would do everything she possibly could to suppress votes in the Republican precincts of northwest Travis County.

It was such a relief when early, in-person voting came along, allowing me to defeat the efforts to keep me from voting. I wrote about the ballot suppression practices of Travis County in this previous Ace of Spades post.

The way the vote suppression in Travis County worked was that the county elections administrator was only required to provide enough ballots to each precinct in accordance with historical countywide turnout. So, if countywide turnout averaged 50%, a Republican precinct that averaged 70% turnout would only get enough ballots for 50% of its registered voters.
Meanwhile, a South Austin precinct that only averaged 30% turnout would have an abundance of excess ballots.
On election day, the TV stations would consistently report on Northwest Travis County precincts running out of ballots due to “unexpectedly” heavy turnout in those precincts. Those voters still in line would have to wait hours into the night until some more ballots arrived. A great many simply gave up and didn’t vote.
Another technique that was employed to suppress Republican votes was to provide too few voting booths. I recall one time in the late ‘80s waiting hours in line to vote, because there were only four voting booths at my precinct. Watching the news that evening, a local TV journalist reported on light voter turnout while standing in front of a Democrat-leaning polling site with about a dozen voting booths in the background.
This Republican voter suppression was routinely discussed on at least one morning drive-time radio show at the time, and plenty of people wrote letters to the editor about it, but it persisted until early voting and electronic ballots came along, making it impossible to run out of ballots any longer.

If you vote before Election Day (preferably in person, where you never relinquish control of your ballot until it goes in the ballot box) your vote will count just as much as if you vote on Election Day. But if you wait until Election Day, you might get sick, you might give up after waiting for hours to vote, you might find that the precinct is out of ballots and you have an indefinite wait in front of you, you might find that the voting machine is inoperable, etc. And even if you will stick it out no matter what, a great many people won’t. The lost votes of those who won’t stick it out are lost unnecessarily.

There is nothing principled about giving Democrats an opportunity to suppress your vote. Let’s “beat the cheat” by making early voting a conservative counter-measure.

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1 Yeet

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2022 11:00 AM (RPaRn)

2 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2022 11:00 AM (T4tVD)

3 Yoot

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2022 11:01 AM (T4tVD)

4 Vote harder bitchez

Posted by: BacktoGA at November 11, 2022 11:02 AM (MPYWI)

5 Thank you to our Veterans.

May God bless you and keep you in the palm of His hand.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2022 11:02 AM (RPaRn)

6 I am so glad I read the damn content. Allowed me to delay making a fool of myself for at least the next 5-10 minutes.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (KbCG3)

7 And if you cast early, the cheaters know how many votes to fabricate.

So what's the answer here?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (ZSK0i)

8 Have a blessed and appreciative Veteran’s Day.

Thanks Buck ; backatcha !

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2022 11:04 AM (T4tVD)

9 Always doing what we always did IS a conservative principle.

Posted by: DaveA at November 11, 2022 11:04 AM (FhXTo)

10 7 And if you cast early, the cheaters know how many votes to fabricate.

So what's the answer here?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (ZSK0i)

Consequences for the cheaters.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:04 AM (Y5qcH)

11 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (7Q7Ca)

12 Disagree, elections need to stop each mail vote, it's unverifiable. And don't give me signature match, no one looks

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (VAcNj)

13 Texas has early voting, but it's in person and you must show ID just as you do on election day. (Because we are both over 65 we could vote by mail, but would never do it.)

Also because we are over 65, we don't take it for granted that we'll still be around on election day. We want to get that vote counted!

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (fTtFy)

14 The moment the Rs win an election through fraud, well, over a Democrat, is the moment the Dems will care about voter fraud.

Take a purple state with a Red SoS and just produce an absurd number of votes from bright red counties. Find memory sticks with votes, ballots in trunks of cars, all the normal and just let the Dems hem and haw about it while the SoS says they are just "counting all the votes"

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (ESjRY)

15 Nurse said she was nood in here.

Imagine my complete disappointment to find it not true........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (7Q7Ca)

16

Sorry to go OT but I need a little guidance. Has anybody ever cooked lamb breast? Basically the front ribs?

I've done a gazillion lamb roast and lamb chops but ran across some absolute beautiful breast ribs at 3.69 a pound!

I'm thinking of olive oil and some good lamb dry rub sit in the fridge for a few hours and then roast maybe 325 for a couple of hours?

Thanks for any guidance and I apologize to Buck for bucking his post.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (91+c5)

17 We vote early, they make enough votes to overcome our votes.

We allow early voting, they go harvest ballots in highly dense urban areas. We can't match in red rural areas.

We allow dominion machines, they change the votes anyway.

We allow absentee ballots, they just go online and request them to extremes.

Everyone votes on election day and gets a purple finger for all I care. Anything other than that maintains the status quo and ensure Republican losses. PA and MI gone forever. AZ about to follow suit.

Posted by: BacktoGA at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (MPYWI)

18 Ever get the feeling the cheaters are always one step ahead of you? When you come up with a solution to the last problem, they're already on to the next method of cheat?

Ever get that feeling?

Because they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (NWBBy)

19 Take a purple state with a Red SoS and just produce an absurd number of votes from bright red counties. Find memory sticks with votes, ballots in trunks of cars, all the normal and just let the Dems hem and haw about it while the SoS says they are just "counting all the votes"
Posted by: 18-1

That's not who we are.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (RPaRn)

20 I didn't do 22 years to let democrats suppress the vote. Sorry, I'm pissed off. A heartfelt emotional thank you to those who served and those still serving.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (5jbfi)

21 14 The moment the Rs win an election through fraud, well, over a Democrat, is the moment the Dems will care about voter fraud.

Take a purple state with a Red SoS and just produce an absurd number of votes from bright red counties. Find memory sticks with votes, ballots in trunks of cars, all the normal and just let the Dems hem and haw about it while the SoS says they are just "counting all the votes"
Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (ESjRY)

If you say "counting all the votes" three times in a mirror, Bill Barr shows up to investigate you.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (KbCG3)

22 Kingwood is Montgomery County and Redder than Red. Them still fucking up and not having enough paper... lol.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (OLVeZ)

23 Consequences for the cheaters.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:04 AM (Y5qcH)

Precisely. Much as I appreciate Dave in Fla's work on this, focusing on just expanding Republican voting into the early part of the Venn space is not a fix for removing the corruption.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (ZSK0i)

24 Buck - You will be very interested in the topic of the podcast. Fits this post perfectly.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (5p7BC)

25
Allowed me to delay making a fool of myself for at least the next 5-10 minutes.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (KbCG3)

__________

Never stopped me.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (pThvq)

26 It is absurd that they print up the ballot on the spot.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (fbBBq)

27 I'm all for getting out there like Dems.. However we all know what will happen. Vote fraud will be discovered, it will look amazingly familiar to exactly what had been done previously but it will be found and declared much different.
GOP will be labeled cheaters for a generation and good people will be imprisoned.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (53oGX)

28 The "we're out of paper" and "the printer's broke" shenanigans need to be met with law enforcement and all involved should be prosecuted to the full extent of said voter suppression laws.

Period. There is NO FUCKING EXCUSE for shit like this other than oppression.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (7Q7Ca)

29 Sponge,
No one needs to see that before lunch.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (RPaRn)

30 The Republican Party as a whole needs a crash course in "fortifying elections" and ballot harvesting. They need to dig up and 20M dead.... er, I mean "new" voters who'll vote early, often and by mail.

And they must be willing to win by any means necessary.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)

31 Voted early once...2008?...in NC...no crowd.

Posted by: BignJames at November 11, 2022 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

32 AZ about to follow suit.
Posted by: BacktoGA at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (MPYWI)

That's the back breaker, there. Electing Lake would mean cleaning up this voting BS, which would solidify AZ as a red state.

They're just motivating her more and more with this latest crap. If they pull it off, they've dodged the biggest bullet they're likely to ever see.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:08 AM (KbCG3)

33 Precisely. Much as I appreciate Dave in Fla's work on this, focusing on just expanding Republican voting
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Please wait until you hear all of it. Although Buck does hit an important point here.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2022 11:08 AM (5p7BC)

34 Posted by: Dana Fowler at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (xjuoH)

Fuk yeah, Dana! I'm in!

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at November 11, 2022 11:08 AM (53oGX)

35 Also because we are over 65, we don't take it for granted that we'll still be around on election day. We want to get that vote counted!
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (fTtFy)

You may not still be alive on Election Day, but trust me, you'll still be able to vote!

Posted by: Democrats harvesting dead votes at November 11, 2022 11:08 AM (BCSAN)

36 Allowed me to delay making a fool of myself for at least the next 5-10 minutes.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (KbCG3)

Never put off until the next 5-10 mins what you can do in now.

I think I'm paraphrasing...

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:08 AM (OLVeZ)

37 If you say "counting all the votes" three times in a mirror, Bill Barr shows up to investigate you.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (KbCG3)

It'd be less painful if Biggie Smalls showed up.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:09 AM (ZSK0i)

38 Sponge,
No one needs to see that before lunch.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (RPaRn)

I will beg to differ......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:09 AM (7Q7Ca)

39 Flawed logic. Sure mail in those ballots and watch them disappear. Vote early so the Dems can pitch them.

Posted by: WiNO at November 11, 2022 11:09 AM (wWvU4)

40 I voted early (Oct 20) this year. First time ever.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 11, 2022 11:09 AM (63Dwl)

41 Posted by: Dana Fowler at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (xjuoH)

With the heat of 1000 suns.........

Posted by: Sarah at November 11, 2022 11:10 AM (7Q7Ca)

42 If anyone thinks the FBI doesn't have people telling them about fake ballot printers and ballot stuffers they are fooling themselves. The FBI checks to make sure they are cheating correctly and then files it under IDGAF.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at November 11, 2022 11:11 AM (53oGX)

43 Obama didn't award himself one?...surprising.
Posted by: BignJames at November 11, 2022 11:02 AM (AwYPR)

My twitter/facebook page of memes tells me otherwise.

Posted by: Bourbonchicken at November 11, 2022 11:11 AM (44ww/)

44 29 Sponge,
No one needs to see that before lunch.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (RPaRn)

I guess that's why we invented Brunch? /s

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:11 AM (OLVeZ)

45 I just looked. A 20 lb box of paper containing 10,000 sheets is around $40.

No excuse for a that govt to collect taxes and then run out of paper. Back in the old days, they used to burn down city hall when shit like this happened.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:11 AM (Y5qcH)

46 I am in FL. I vote as early as possible depending on work and family commitments. Since they aren't tabulated until election day anyway they can't get a fix on numbers to push for one party and just sit there ready to read for whomever is running to beat the commies

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 11, 2022 11:11 AM (sEhpX)

47 My brilliant comment shall not be willowed !

554 Trump is Trump. I cannot spare the man. He fights.

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Eh, now it has become destructive, he is shooting at his own team.
Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:09 AM (V13WU)

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to the point of EV, yes and yes.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:12 AM (V13WU)

48 They will always find a way to cheat. Here in Kali, EVERYBODY essentially gets a ballot mailed to them, although there are ways to track when your ballot has shipped and when it arrived. The first time they did this, MY BALLOT WAS LOST. It was noted as delivered to my address, but never showed up. I was able to get a replacement, but to this day, I do not know if my actual vote counted, or that of the ballot that disappeared.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:12 AM (ynpvh)

49 And if you cast early, the cheaters know how many votes to fabricate.
So what's the answer here?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (ZSK0i)
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Consequences for the cheaters.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

FOIA the city/county employee roles and job titles. identify the poll and election employees. send them photos of their house, children, and spouses out in public with a note that corupt elections have consequences. it is not a threat, you could be mentioning a retirement pkan such as social security that goes away before they reach retirement age. they will get the message you intend, though. stoop to their level with intimidation, let them know you've had enough.

Posted by: BifBewalski at November 11, 2022 11:12 AM (AkPkP)

50 Conservative Treehouse noted that some are looking for votes.

Others are looking for ballots.

Maybe this

Posted by: Miklos notes from bright red SC at November 11, 2022 11:12 AM (SP4pi)

51 One trick the left does and you see it now and then...

Take a group of valid, real votes from some bright blue area and stick them in the trunk of a car or wherever you want.

Replace them with fake ballots for your candidates.

If you don't need extra votes then just dispose of the real ones. Since it is in a bright blue area no one will notice you've got from 90-10 to 95-5.

Then if you do need votes you "find" those votes you stashed. And again, they are REAL votes. Suddenly you've got the extra 1,000 or however many you need to out you over the top and no amount of analysis of the found ballots is going to find any wrong doing because outside of "misplacing them" there wasn't any.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2022 11:12 AM (ESjRY)

52 I'm all for getting out there like Dems.. However we all know what will happen. Vote fraud will be discovered, it will look amazingly familiar to exactly what had been done previously but it will be found and declared much different.
GOP will be labeled cheaters for a generation and good people will be imprisoned.
Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit

Yes. Dems can do it and we can't because they own the media.

Posted by: Biergood at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (FQWHA)

53 28 The "we're out of paper" and "the printer's broke" shenanigans need to be met with law enforcement and all involved should be prosecuted to the full extent of said voter suppression laws.

Period. There is NO FUCKING EXCUSE for shit like this other than oppression.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (7Q7Ca)

Given that elections happen almost daily and there's simply no way to account for how many people may show up to a given precinct, I'm willing to give them a pass.

(Do I really need to add the tag?)

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (KbCG3)

54 I wouldn't trust mail in voting on a bet. Who says the ballot they count was actually the ballot you put in your envelope? Nothing but trust, and I have no trust in this system.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (l7Kbv)

55 In person on election day or early JUST F'ING VOTE.
The numbers from Texas are/were depressing.
4,424,776 for Abbott; 3,353,6621 for O'Rourke; 9,604,118 registered but DID NOT VOTE; 1,391,340 eligible but not registered.

Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (VfLe7)

56 Sundance had a write up. Democrats hunt for ballots, Republicans run for votes.
Did see the only Leftist run election they looked for signatures was Gruesome's recall, around 175,000 ballots were tossed. Want to bet not a fraction or a fraction was tossed last week?

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (VAcNj)

57 Precisely. Much as I appreciate Dave in Fla's work on this, focusing on just expanding Republican voting into the early part of the Venn space is not a fix for removing the corruption.
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The fix is to purge the voting rolls so it is mathematically impossible to massively cheat. Also to match an ID with the ballot - scanned together. You can't do that with drop boxes and I don't know how they do that will mail in votes either. If you do that its like digitally painting the voters finger purple. And there is an electronic way to audit the vote.

That said, it takes political will and years to do that. In the cheating states there is no quick legal fix. Unless the democratic base rises up and turns on their masters, you can't overcome it. Pennsylvannia and Michigan are subject to the philly and detroit. Ohio used to get Fcuked by Cleveland. No more. I don't know. We need a giant Fcuk you throw the bums out vote in Mich Penn. Not just GOP voters. That's just an uninformed opinion. My sense is that there arent 100s of thousands of GOP voters sitting at home because they can't get a ride, forgot it was election day, or couldn't get off work.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (cBaCg)

58 I'm not sure I understand this rationale. A counted ballot is a counted ballot. If ours had been sent in by mail instead of cast in person, the numbers wouldn't substantially change (precinct ballot problems aside.) The fact that we vote in person isn't the reason we failed so miserably on Tuesday. What we have to do is find OUR low-propensity voters and get them to vote.

But the other problem is national messaging. There needs to be a unified, 50-state message for the republican party which on one hand promotes the economy, security, and freedom, while also UNRELENTINGLY vilifies the Democrats as the lying, corrupt, fascist, out-of-touch, elitist, racist, violent party that they are. If the Dems can win big by selling women on the idea that we want to turn America into the handmaids tale, then by-God I have no problem linking the Democrats straight back to the KKK, the communist party, and every other godawful thing they've ever done.

Posted by: SMFH at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (CEh/e)

59 Hey Dave in FL: I’m eager to hear the podcast. I’m also curious if the GOP picked up all those New York Congressional house seats because Dems got too aggressive with gerrymandering and stretched the D to R ratio too thin. Thanks.

Posted by: Buck Thtockmorton at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (d9Cw3)

60 49 And if you cast early, the cheaters know how many votes to fabricate.
So what's the answer here?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:03 AM (ZSK0i)
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Consequences for the cheaters.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

FOIA the city/county employee roles and job titles. identify the poll and election employees. send them photos of their house, children, and spouses out in public with a note that corupt elections have consequences. it is not a threat, you could be mentioning a retirement pkan such as social security that goes away before they reach retirement age. they will get the message you intend, though. stoop to their level with intimidation, let them know you've had enough.

Posted by: BifBewalski at November 11, 2022 11:12 AM (AkPkP)

jail for you, not for them. FIB likes it that way.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (ynpvh)

61 There is nothing principled about giving Democrats an opportunity to suppress your vote. Let’s “beat the cheat” by making early voting a conservative counter-measure.
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This is one of the times I think I am going to disagree with you, Buck.

Turning out early and shoring up the vote where it's legal to do so isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it isn't going to beat the cheat in a ~~vote~~cheat-by-mail jurisdiction. To beat the cheat there, the GOP has to cheat. Get out and harvest ballots. Knock on doors and offer to "help" the voter fill out his ballot. Mule those ballots out to drop boxes.

Early voting to help avoid election day shenanigans is only relevant in non-vote-by-mail states. In vote-by-mail states, there's no beating the cheat unless the GOP climbs down into the trenches and gets muddy along with the Dems.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (t0OGg)

62 At some point folks really need to consider the possibility that "elections" aren't the solution.

Posted by: Methos at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (kOpft)

63 sorry, but if the garland dept of justice got any hint of election cheating by republicans, the justice dept would be all over the case, jailing people for not remembering where they were ten weeks earlier.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (kFrCu)

64 While you're focusing on this, Democrats have already moved onto the next part of the game. They are getting "votes" into the pipeline via mail-in ballots and harvesting that are from unverified voters (with no ID, 23% on voters in places like NY) or harvested by people who have "helped" the voter fill it out. It's also now become election "season", not day.

Until this is addressed, everything else is academic. There's a reason no other country in the OECD does this.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (eacmp)

65 In Connecticut we show up to vote, they look at our license and match the name with the voter rolls by our street name and number, then they take a ruler and line out our names on the paper rolls. Then they give us a paper ballot where we color in the circle with a black magic marker and then we stick it in a machine that records it.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (DBrN4)

66 democrat "ballot harvesting" is a paid operation. They pay people to do it. All the way from requesting an absentee ballot to delivering it is done by paid operatives.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (Y5qcH)

67 Sorry to go OT but I need a little guidance. Has anybody ever cooked lamb breast? Basically the front ribs?

I've done a gazillion lamb roast and lamb chops but ran across some absolute beautiful breast ribs at 3.69 a pound!

I'm thinking of olive oil and some good lamb dry rub sit in the fridge for a few hours and then roast maybe 325 for a couple of hours?

Thanks for any guidance and I apologize to Buck for bucking his post.
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (91+c5)

Sous vide is very popular...

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (V13WU)

68 For the last several elections, I've early voted. Not Mail In. Not absentee. Early In Person vote.

Now, whether the machine is legit and my vote actually counts, I do not know. It is at that point that I have no choice but to trust the system.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (7Q7Ca)

69 I'm a little leery of giving my sealed envelope with pretty much straight R marked ballot inside so that some pink haired, nose-ringed, gender grievance studies volunteer can steam it open and spoil the ballot.

If there isn't strict chain of custody and trained R party employees watching over every ballot at all times, it will be hard to get me to trust the process.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (fs1hN)

70 In Maricopa County (Phoenix) Arizona, almost one third of voting machines were inoperable until mid-afternoon on Election Day.

see, the demorat fraud machine is a many-tined fork. One of the tines is vote suppression such as machines all of a sudden not working, another is just plain throwing out votes for the opponents. And this is what happens in demorat-controlled jurisdictions, the R votes get trashed. So if you live in a blue zone, it is stupid to mail in your ballot.

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (dCxaZ)

71 It might make a small difference.

But the problem is that talking about "stealing the election" put Trump on the ballot. And since Trump was on the ballot, that meant a less popular person (in purple states and suburban districts) was dragging down the party.

Trump is now toxic. I know a lot of people don't really see it that way, but he is now a sure loser despite what you think he could accomplish. He doesn't have the ability to put the toxic stuff behind him and move on. He'll pollute elections with his pettiness and refusal to let the past be the past.

Posted by: Mick at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (/cox6)

72 We know from 2020 nursing homes got sent ballots in 2020 but many never saw that ballot as the staff filled them out

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (VAcNj)

73 We believe in one man, one vote. We believe in citizens only and proper identification.

They believe by any means necessary. You can't overcome fraud. Only catching it. Need to verify people and require id. Get rid of all the extra methods of "voting." The franchise should require some effort.

Posted by: NJRob at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (Ce7wD)

74 Philly precincts were notorious for throwing out Republican votes, long before Trump arrived on the scene.

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (dCxaZ)

75 I'm an election judge in Illinois, in a suburban precinct that goes about 3:1::R

near Chicago. Lots of Polish immigrants and their kids and grandkids. We get enough paper ballots for every single voter in the precinct. There are also two touchscreens you can use to vote. Use one of those and a paper ballot is printed (with a QR code). In both cases the ballot is fed into a scanner and then dumps out into a locked bin.

The scanner is tricky - it can break down. Should it do so the ballots are put into an alternate ballot box, which is also locked. Once the scanner is fixed, the voters start using it again. We wait until the end of the day after the polls are closed and the voters leave and then feed the ballots from the alternate ballot box into the scanner. That process *must* be performed by election judges of both parties, at the polling place. We certainly could have used more booths and touchscreens, but over all no one waited more than about 30 minutes to cast a ballot.

Posted by: RonF at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (l8nW6)

76 Morning.

Gallagher, tits up.

https://tinyurl.com/ntz9ybmb

Posted by: Robert at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (1Yy3c)

77 If the left pulls shenanigans to suppress their enemies on election day wouldn't it be even easier to just trash their mail in vote? Either we have voting or "voting". You lose integrity and it's over.

I’m on that kind of an integrity kick.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (0fVbu)

78 Agreed. The states can likely still "lose" early ballots, but it's better than going to a polling place with no paper.

There is no legitimate reason why any polling place would not have enough paper... except if you are cheating or disenfranchising voters.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (VWp7G)

79 "Call 1-877-PONIES-4-MULDOON..."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars

Release me.
Posted by: The Meme Kraken

Neigh!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

*Stomps multiple hooves*

Posted by: The Meme Kraken at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (pI97I)

80 Eh, now it has become destructive, he is shooting at his own team.
Posted by: runner
==
Surely you are 29 enough to recall the Reagan Bush primaries.

Hey (a-hole) I paid for this microphone!!!

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (jsj4H)

81
Gallagher, tits up.

https://tinyurl.com/ntz9ybmb
Posted by: Robert at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (1Yy3c)

But who will smash the watermellons?

And wasn't he sick? I actually thought he left us a long time ago.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (7Q7Ca)

82 I assume enough Begich voters put the D as second choice so we will lose Alaska's At Large seat for the first time in 50 years.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (vN+oL)

83 But it is so much easier to just blame the loss on Trump.

Posted by: West at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (QY+6a)

84 also don't be surprised if mail in ballots from registered republicans in dem controlled areas get duple triple scrutiny for the slightest problem: you needed to put in a complete address, you forgot the dot after 'blvd', ballot no good.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (kFrCu)

85 If it says Election Day then that should be it.

And at the polls, nowhere else save deployed military.

Military units vote at their commands on election day. So they take a while to mail.

Posted by: torabora at November 11, 2022 11:17 AM (z0aPa)

86 73 We believe in one man, one vote. We believe in citizens only and proper identification.

They believe by any means necessary. You can't overcome fraud. Only catching it. Need to verify people and require id. Get rid of all the extra methods of "voting." The franchise should require some effort.

Posted by: NJRob at November 11, 2022 11:15 AM (Ce7wD)

They believe in one man/one vote in some instances, like the cemetery being filled with voters.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:17 AM (ynpvh)

87 Damn willowing.

Posted by: The Meme Kraken at November 11, 2022 11:18 AM (pI97I)

88 The only way to kill a Democrat idea is for Republicans to use it to their benefit.

I'm all for ending mail-in voting, but the only way it'll ever die is if a GOP President wins using it.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2022 11:18 AM (ZR7kf)

89 In recent years I’ve been voting on Election Day not out of some principled stance, but because I was under the impression that it was the best way to confuse Dems’ shenanigans by not telegraphing how many votes they need to “find.” Is that no longer a perceived threat?

Posted by: Caiwyn at November 11, 2022 11:18 AM (+dHQK)

90 76 Morning.

Gallagher, tits up.

https://tinyurl.com/ntz9ybmb

Posted by: Robert at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (1Yy3c)

I guess he smashed his last watermelon

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:18 AM (ynpvh)

91 And since Trump was on the ballot, that meant a less popular person (in purple states and suburban districts) was dragging down the party.

what are you even talking about? I get a feeling these types of comments come from those living in deep red areas, or at least a red-controlled voting jurisdiction.

Pennsylvania's most populated counties are run by demorats, therefore they control the election apparatus. This is addition to whatever shenanigans can be masterminded and executed from the state apparatus.

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (dCxaZ)

92 In Connecticut we show up to vote, they look at our license and match the name with the voter rolls by our street name and number, then they take a ruler and line out our names on the paper rolls. Then they give us a paper ballot where we color in the circle with a black magic marker and then we stick it in a machine that records it.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (DBrN4)
++++
CT has one of the better elections systems in the country, and they do aggressive roll maintenance. This is only permitted because it's solid blue no matter what. When the Dems actually do have commanding and overwhelming support (and they do in CT), they aren't opposed to having a sensible elections system.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (t0OGg)

93 I'm in favor of a constitution amendment restricting and tightening voting laws.

I'm also in favor of eating pie and not getting fat.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (ZR7kf)

94 Also, to say the RNC isn't concentrating on early voting isn't true. Some of the bajillion texts I received over the past few months was begging me to early vote.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (0fVbu)

95 I truly believe that Early Voting is an effective weapon for the Dims, because -

they use some issue (abortion, for instance) to get their voters all fired up and go out and vote that day.

In the case of abortion, the Big Lie was that instead of abortion being returned to the states, abortion had been forbidden by law throughout the entire US forever!!!!!1111!1!!!1!11!1111111!!!!

Those for whom abortion was a big issue, but let's say not as big upon reflection considering abortion was now a state issue as something like inflation and buying food and gas for your family...well, they already locked their vote in. Sorry, chump!

The October Surprise was Early Voting and that constant panic buttons the Dims kept pushing to get a one or two days panic from their LowIQ/Low Emotional Control voters.

This is how you get a Fetterman. Votes locked in early.

Lessons need to be learned, folks. And we need smart people running the show, not lame-ass grift machines like The Turtle.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (KLPy8)

96 My view is you can't out vote Democrats with mail voting

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (VAcNj)

97 The "we're out of paper" and "the printer's broke" shenanigans need to be met with law enforcement and all involved should be prosecuted to the full extent of said voter suppression laws.

Period. There is NO FUCKING EXCUSE for shit like this other than oppression.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:07 AM (7Q7Ca)

At some point it's got to be called what it is: treason.

To say "questioning elections" is treason, should be called treason too.

But then we'd be at an impasse, and people would have to start considering a hot war. We're not there yet, but we're getting there.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (NWBBy)

98 40 Flawed logic. Sure mail in those ballots and watch them disappear. Vote early so the Dems can pitch them.
Posted by: WiNO at November 11, 2022 11:09 AM (wWvU4)

Yeah. Vote early so the dems will have an excuse lose them in basement storage somewhere.

Until there's dire consequences for voter fraud, the dems will keep cheating no matter what we do. And by dire consequences I mean the death penalty or life in prison without parole.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (BdMk6)

99 There is no legitimate reason why any polling place would not have enough paper... except if you are cheating or disenfranchising voters.

yeah this is total and complete bullshit

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (dCxaZ)

100 Our Precious Democracy™ - where every individual's vote is so precious that if you can't be bothered to cast your vote, we will cast it for you. And we will ensure that you vote for the proper candidate. And as an extra bonus, to protect your sacred vote we will ensure that each of your dead grandparents are still on the voter rolls and cast a vote for each of them. But wait, there's more. As part of this special offer we'll include your cousins who moved out of the state 5 years ago.

/International Harvester, Inc

Posted by: Muldoon at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (kXYt5)

101 I have been summoned to attend the Veterans day dinner at the local American Legion post. I don't usually attend these things because 1) not a veteran, 2) not a Legion member, 3) I don't like people-ing.
My dad was a Vietnam veteran, my granddad was a WW2 veteran, Hubbymayhem is a veteran, brothers Thing 1 and Thing 2 both veterans, boy spawn is a veteran. I could be a member of the Legion Auxiliary but, again that involves people-ing. Everyone knows I don't do Legion stuff.
But today, I have been summoned. I will attend because they would not summon me unless it's something important. Pretty sure it has something to do with my dad, the dearly departed, Pappymayhem.
On the one hand, I get a free meal. On the other hand, its legion food. Some of those ladies are not good cooks.
Meh. At least I will get to say hello to people I don't see very often and after I leave they can all express their shock at how fat I have gotten. Yay.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (Wy1BU)

102 yeah this is total and complete bullshit

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (dCxaZ)

-- the lack of paper, I mean, not your comment!

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (dCxaZ)

103 65 In Connecticut we show up to vote, they look at our license and match the name with the voter rolls by our street name and number, then they take a ruler and line out our names on the paper rolls. Then they give us a paper ballot where we color in the circle with a black magic marker and then we stick it in a machine that records it.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (DBrN4)

Jaimo, I'm a CT resident as well. CT was one of only four states that didn't have Early Voting, but that got voted in on Tuesday as well. We'll need to be on our State Reps to make sure that we know EXACTLY what the EV requirements will be. There will be lots of pressure from Dems in the legislature to get a blanket authorisation now, with EV details to be provided at a date TBD. We *cannot* allow that to happen.

Posted by: War of 1812 at November 11, 2022 11:20 AM (Zqchx)

104 So the response to cheating is to engage in the very activity that allows the cheat to be easy?

No, the solution is one day, one vote, in person, in precinct, with in precinct counting. No more central vote counting. If your state can't bring back the old school method, they're cheating and encouraging the cheating to keep the established control over the populace.

Posted by: soulpile at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (hiX0r)

105 Last year I ordered a shirt from Amazon. They sent it through the post office.

The post office sent me a notice that there was an animal blocking delivery (I don't have a pet and was home the day they supposedly tried to deliver it) and they would try again tomorrow.

A week later I still didn't have my shirt. I saw my mailman and he said someone else handles Amazon deliveries so I'd need to call the post office.

So I called the post office, eventually got the local office, and spent hours arguing with the people there each time finally getting "oh it should show up today".

After a couple of weeks it finally did. Where was it for all this time? Who knows. Was there an animal that day? Who knows. Why couldn't they at any point tell me where the shirt was? Who knows.

Now...this is for some shirt which no one cares about, besides me. Does anyone really think sending ballots through this system is at all safe and secure?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (ESjRY)

106 66 democrat "ballot harvesting" is a paid operation. They pay people to do it. All the way from requesting an absentee ballot to delivering it is done by paid operatives.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:14 AM (Y5qcH)

Spending Money on an Election?!?!?! PFffft Fuck that...

-The Mc Three

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (OLVeZ)

107 I am making $90 an hour working from home. I never imagined that it was honest to goodness yet my closest companion is earning $16,000 a month by working on a laptop, that was truly astounding for me, she prescribed for me to attempt it simply. Everybody must try this job now by just using this site.. https://cutt.ly/lVo997O

Posted by: Tom at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (b6cyk)

108 93 ...I'm also in favor of eating pie and not getting fat.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (ZR7kf)

Tis possible. Say, the pie has salmonella. You can eat it and you won't gain weight; you might actually lose some.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (ynpvh)

109 I'm a Maricopa County voter. I like to have as much info as possible to avoid last minute surprises. But wife and I voted Saturday before election day. No line, plenty of machines, no hassle. Had there been an issue (illness, emergency, etc.), we still could have voted Tuesday (early in-person ended Saturday).

It's ok to not like the rules and fight to change them, but as Buck convincingly argues, we need to win within the rules by using them to our advantage. I bet that's what RDS' GOTV effort was aimed at.

Posted by: Duke at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (qvhWG)

110 But who will smash the watermellons?

And wasn't he sick? I actually thought he left us a long time ago.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (7Q7Ca)

The article does mention the multiple heart attacks he had over the years.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (ZSK0i)

111 Trump is now toxic. I know a lot of people don't really see it that way, but he is now a sure loser despite what you think he could accomplish. He doesn't have the ability to put the toxic stuff behind him and move on. He'll pollute elections with his pettiness and refusal to let the past be the past.
==
Is this a goof, or serious? I mean one name. Emo. Mental block on history.

You could easily have said, Trump is too old, his appeal has become more selective, he's got baggage from the vax. Those are rational arguments. "Pollute", "pettiness" "refusal" are emo value judgments. Which you are entitled to have, but if you want to actually do something useful calm your tits and make a logical argument. Personally I want to see how people vote when the choice between a couple of good candidates is on the primary ticket.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (SaWsL)

112 The working theory is that if we all vote early, it will tell them more accurately how many votes they need to manufacture.

The bottom line is our electoral system is broken. Marxists count the votes in far too many places. Period.

Posted by: ... at November 11, 2022 11:22 AM (MRjyi)

113 18
'Ever get the feeling the cheaters are always one step ahead of you?'

It's too bad we don't have a list of their names and addresses so we could give them the recognition they deserve.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 11, 2022 11:22 AM (VNGpB)

114 Sarah's gone transgender...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:22 AM (ynpvh)

115 No doubt the Democrats Propaganda Ministry are pushing Trump is toxic, but 2 years ago he got like 71 million votes to Sundowner probably not much over 60 M.

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (VAcNj)

116 In recent years I’ve been voting on Election Day not out of some principled stance, but because I was under the impression that it was the best way to confuse Dems’ shenanigans by not telegraphing how many votes they need to “find.” Is that no longer a perceived threat?
Posted by: Caiwyn at November 11, 2022 11:18 AM (+dHQK)

It still is a threat. It's just that the Dem-aligned Elections Administrators have countered that move with 'unexpected' paper shortages and machine issues on Election Day, concentrated in right-leaning polling places.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (4I/2K)

117 I’ve never understood the reasoning of opting to wait in long lines on Election Day instead of voting early and getting the hell out of the way so others don’t have to wait.

There are so many things that can wrong by waiting until the last minute.

Why risk it?

Posted by: Honest Cloud at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (SpPNO)

118 114 Sarah's gone transgender...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:22 AM (ynpvh)

And Spaceball One has gone plaid...

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (OLVeZ)

119 I'm thinking of olive oil and some good lamb dry rub sit in the fridge for a few hours and then roast maybe 325 for a couple of hours?

Thanks for any guidance and I apologize to Buck for bucking his post.
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 11, 2022 11:05 AM (91+c5)

Sounds reasonable. But if you can't wait for the Sunday cooking thread to ask, the best approach I've found for an unknown like this is simply to search the web for the recipe you want and select what looks good. Over time, I've found that I get the best results off the Allrecipes site. YMMV.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (ZSK0i)

120 112 The working theory is that if we all vote early, it will tell them more accurately how many votes they need to manufacture.

The bottom line is our electoral system is broken. Marxists count the votes in far too many places. Period.

Posted by: ... at November 11, 2022 11:22 AM (MRjyi)

I approve this message

Posted by: Stalin at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (ynpvh)

121 Blaming Trump is wrong
But we do have to look at the Law of Diminishing Returns

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (dO/0d)

122 My view is you can't out vote Democrats with mail voting
==
yup. So in those states, something else has to happen IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (10MMo)

123 >>>The bottom line is our electoral system is broken. Marxists count the votes in far too many places. Period.
Posted by: ...

Correct. Pennsylvania is gone forever, as are Arizona if that's any indication. They cheat and they cheat and they always get away with it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (VWp7G)

124 Make it a fineable offense to run out of paper

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

125 Surely you are 29 enough to recall the Reagan Bush primaries.

Hey (a-hole) I paid for this microphone!!!
Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (jsj4H)

I surely am not. But to your point, it is not comparable.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (V13WU)

126 I think your plan for the lamb breast should work fine. I usually don't do anything fancy with lamb.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (5HBd1)

127
Correct. Pennsylvania is gone forever, as are Arizona

You mean Arifornia ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (bs+z0)

128 >>>Blaming Trump is wrong
But we do have to look at the Law of Diminishing Returns
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Could blame McConnell for pulling money from candidates, and giving it to people like Murkowski.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (VWp7G)

129 So when did they start spamming threads? Usually it was 3-4 hours after the threads die but now spammers are getting in < 100?

Posted by: banana Dream at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (0fVbu)

130 122 My view is you can't out vote Democrats with mail voting
==
yup. So in those states, something else has to happen IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (10MMo)

FIB has no love for grass-roots election integrity 401 (c) (3)s.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

131 There are so many things that can wrong by waiting until the last minute.

Why risk it?
Posted by: Honest Cloud at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (SpPNO)

Vast Majority of America Takes two days off to Over cook a Turkey and talk to people they claim they don't like.

Why are General Elections not a National Holiday? Who knows...

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (OLVeZ)

132 Blaming Trump is wrong
But we do have to look at the Law of Diminishing Returns
Posted by: Nevergiveup
==
See . . . that's how you do it.

No orangeman bad. No character attacks. An appeal to reason. Nothing much to grab on to except the notional idea that his time has come an gone. Guess how you test that theory . . . Primary.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (QSuDT)

133 18-1 Moose out front hates you

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (VAcNj)

134 Make it a fineable offense to run out of paper

Look at all the paper we have...too bad we ran out of ink! Tee hee

/Require Ink in the law

Look at all the paper and ink we have...too bad the printer JUST died! Tee hee!

/Repeat

Posted by: Dem election officials at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (ESjRY)

135 You could show up to the polling location with 500,000 sheets of paper and just give it to them for around $2,000.

All the money these campaigns collect and no one was ready to counter this.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)

136 >>>You mean Arifornia ?
Posted by: It's me donna

Lot of New Yorkers came to PA when NY went to hell, and they brought their awful policies with them.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (VWp7G)

137 Dems GOTV is superb, trust me . They have been perfecting it for close to 100 years - unions, etc.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (V13WU)

138 In Florida Rs beat Ds in early voting this year. First time ever I believe. And Rs had an exceptionally good result in the state. There is a lesson to be learned from this.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (iuF2q)

139 "if you vote before Election Day (preferably in person, where you never relinquish control of your ballot until it goes in the ballot box) your vote will count just as much as if you vote on Election Day."

As evil as the left is, it seems they could break in and replace ballots, or destroy them. iirc, it has happened, and even recently, evidence of the 2020 fraud was destroyed, no one goes to jail for such insider corruption.

Governors have to clean up the system and known criminals must go to prison, including those that forced poll watchers out or ran ballots through machines multiple times. And what of all those promises that the machines could not be accessed by internet, when that was (still is) a bold faced lie. They change totals, destroy R ballots, and truck in ballots from drop boxes that are unattended.

People need prison for these crimes, and ultimately the corrupt "cops" need the most prison time (right up to Wray/Garland).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (Cus5s)

140 92, Joe, I guess that is true but we always love the stories about the vans of ballots waiting in Bridgeport or New Haven if needed. Sad that Stefanowski lost by more than he did the last time and that skeletor will still be around.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (DBrN4)

141 In a little noticed 'reveal' during a news interview about midway through the mail in voting period, the Supervisor of Elections for Baltimore was asked about any recommendations for those voters doing mail in ballots.

His televised response was to tell voters to look carefully at their mail in ballot as some 2020 ballots were suddenly showing up at the elections office.

It took the female reporter about ten seconds to digest just exactly what it was that she had heard.

Major media coverage was slightly less than Zero.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (1n+EO)

142 EV matters. You know where your weaknesses are early on, for one.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (V13WU)

143 Imagine if states in the south used all the "paper's out" or "machine's down" tricks in predominantly black neighborhoods in Alabama, Mississippi, etc, that Dems in Pennsylvania and Arizona pull.

The cries of "Jim Crowe 2.0" would be on every news station from coast to coast. Lawsuits would fly like crazy. Judges would imprison people indefinitely.

But it happens to the GOP and what do they do? They fundraise.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (ZR7kf)

144 96 My view is you can't out vote Democrats with mail voting
Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:19 AM (VAcNj

Mail-in voting was the straw that broke the back of the last pillar of the republic.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (BdMk6)

145 Gallagher, tits up.

HEH

*Buys rights from estate*

*people down the road got all kinda watermelons*

One gonna be Senator from Pennslyvania

Posted by: Miklos notes that hos communicative disabilities do not matter at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (SP4pi)

146 In Florida Rs beat Ds in early voting this year. First time ever I believe. And Rs had an exceptionally good result in the state. There is a lesson to be learned from this.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (iuF2q)

------------
Clone the people of Florida and send them to competitive states?

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (TNyrE)

147 How have previous governments gotten out from under severe corruption? I recall Britain had a serious problem with rotten boroughs. How did they finally fix that?

I can agree with voting early in person to mitigate the election day shenanigans, but I can also agree that that will be only part of the solution. We also need to develop ways to fight the ballot manipulation and other fraud, and flood the zone until we find things that work.

Are we t good at crowd sourcing and decentralizing stuff?

Posted by: Voyager at November 11, 2022 11:28 AM (u5PZm)

148 135 You could show up to the polling location with 500,000 sheets of paper and just give it to them for around $2,000.

All the money these campaigns collect and no one was ready to counter this.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)

You have to be an "Approved Vendor of the SoS" *wink wink*

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:28 AM (OLVeZ)

149 How have previous governments gotten out from under severe corruption?

Black Swan event?

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:28 AM (dCxaZ)

150 Could blame McConnell for pulling money from candidates, and giving it to people like Murkowski.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (VWp7G)

McConnell really cemented his place at the head of the table this election.

What a motherf*cker.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:28 AM (KbCG3)

151 People need prison for these crimes, and ultimately the corrupt "cops" need the most prison time (right up to Wray/Garland).

As a break from all the "voter fraud isn't real!" stories the FNM published in the lead up to the election there were some stories about that meanie DeSantis arresting people for engaging in voter fraud in FL.

I notice that Florida has never been redder.

Those two data points correlate rather well don't they?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (ESjRY)

152 Correct. Pennsylvania is gone forever, as are Arizona

You mean Arifornia ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (bs+z0)

Many of us Arizonans have long said we need a wall on the state's western border even more than on the southern one.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (l7Kbv)

153 >So when did they start spamming threads? Usually it was 3-4 hours after the threads die but now spammers are getting in

Posted by: banana Dream

we can send robot space ships to the edge of the solar system, but we can't stop spam and trolls on a blog

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (geLO8)

154 People nostalgically wait till election day to vote, but that formula , with advances in technology, with micro-targeting, is no longer viable.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (V13WU)

155 The Rats cheat and the Pubes deliberately let them do it. This is not a great mystery that only some teenagers and a dog living in a van can solve.

The Gormless Old Party is perfectly content to sit in the passenger seat and yank on the emergency break occasionally while yelling at the hobbits in the back to settle down and shut up. The road ahead is paved with their good intentions.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (PWI4f)

156 When the JOD arrests Trump, do they hold him on no bail?

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (nQksi)

157 we can't make the manhole lid even with the pavement either

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (geLO8)

158 Speaking of voting, next week is the senate vote for leader. McConnell, the least popular politician in the country, is on the ballot.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (eacmp)

159 Surely you are 29 enough to recall the Reagan Bush primaries.

Hey (a-hole) I paid for this microphone!!!
Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:16 AM (jsj4H)

I surely am not. But to your point, it is not comparable.
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Well you may certainly say that the style and tone differs. I would point out however, that Reagan was actually legitimately ANGRY. So angry that he later punched the wall of his campaign plan and put a friggin dent in it. There is no genuine animosity between them here. Its big boys fighting over a prize. It may come to animosity Ted Cruz level. Or they could wind up on the ticket together. I don't discount your criticisms of style. I do think however, that there's something about that style that reaches out non traditional voters for the GOP block.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (cBaCg)

160 136 >>>You mean Arifornia ?
Posted by: It's me donna

Lot of New Yorkers came to PA when NY went to hell, and they brought their awful policies with them.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (VWp7G)

1) Leave 3rd world shithole country.
2) Come to new country
3) Turn it to 3rd world shithole country.
4) Repeat

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (ynpvh)

161 Make it a fineable offense to run out of paper
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

People involved won't be paying it. Punishment had to be personal and severe.

Nut shots and cunt punts (where applicable).

Posted by: Robert at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (1Yy3c)

162 Clone the people of Florida and send them to competitive states?
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (TNyrE)

You sure you want to do that? Florida Man isn't just a meme.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:29 AM (OLVeZ)

163 And everyone assumes vote totals can't be changed by any method

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (VAcNj)

164 First time ever I believe. And Rs had an exceptionally good result in the state. There is a lesson to be learned from this.

yeah, DeSantis fixed the corrupt voting system and that's the lesson to be learned. GOP held all three branched of government a dozen years ago and didn't fix ungatz.

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (dCxaZ)

165 In Harris County, some 200 of the polling place vote recording devices did not show up at the tabulating center (NRG stadium) until 5am Wednesday morning.

Election Integrity! Pull the other one.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (4I/2K)

166 Make it a fineable offense to run out of paper
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

Guess who pays when the govt gets fined?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (Y5qcH)

167 138 In Florida Rs beat Ds in early voting this year. First time ever I believe. And Rs had an exceptionally good result in the state. There is a lesson to be learned from this.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (iuF2q)

All done post CAT-4 hurricane too. Well executed.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

168 It’s no longer about counting votes, but counting ballots.

Posted by: 7man at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (qwO6y)

169 Interesting. Dolly changed the words of her song from "we'll all be gay" to "that joyful day".

On second thought it's not interesting. It's sad.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (cTCuP)

170 >>>McConnell really cemented his place at the head of the table this election.

What a motherf*cker.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

And if we win the Senate, they'll keep McConnell as the speaker, because the GOP sucks.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (VWp7G)

171 Dems GOTV is superb, trust me . They have been perfecting it for close to 100 years - unions, etc.
Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (V13WU)

Polls showed that the enthusiasm in the Dem camp was at a severe low. They still 'turned out.' And by 'turned out' I mean they know they don't have to vote because they know their vote will be counted anyway, along with any and all relatives in their family tree throughout history.

They cheat. Mightily. And we're doing NOTHING on our side to change it. They were ALLOWED to kick R monitors out and block the windows. They were ALLOWED to drop off hundreds of thousands of ballots in the dead of night from unmarked vans. They were ALLOWED to stuff the mail-in ballot boxes EVERY NIGHT, unabated.

This country will not survive.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (7Q7Ca)

172 >>> I’ve never understood the reasoning of opting to wait in long lines on Election Day instead of voting early and getting the hell out of the way so others don’t have to wait.

There are so many things that can wrong by waiting until the last minute.

Why risk it?
Posted by: Honest Cloud at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (SpPNO)

I don't trust mail in voting. I believe it only works for the left for the same reason that popular culture, journalism, social media, and justice only works for the left. Because they control it. That said, I have very little trust in any type of voting anymore.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (0fVbu)

173 I realize Oz was a bad candidate, but it's funny how nobody is questioning any of those results.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (eacmp)

174 I'm not sticking my vote in the mail. I will stand in line all day if I have to in order to get my I VOTED sticker.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (45fpk)

175 170 >>>McConnell really cemented his place at the head of the table this election.

What a motherf*cker.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

And if we win the Senate, they'll keep McConnell as the speaker, because the GOP sucks.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (VWp7G)

Overwhelmingly so (to both of your assertions).

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (KbCG3)

176 >>>This country will not survive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Two more years of Biden. We won't survive by 2024.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:32 AM (VWp7G)

177 McConnell really cemented his place at the head of the table this election.

What a motherf*cker.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:28 AM (KbCG3)

He cemented his head up his ass... I for one hope that he sits and rotates.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:32 AM (OLVeZ)

178 The solution to the problem of no ballots on election day is simple...request an absentee ballot and drop it off on the day of the election.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (cTCuP)

179 173 I realize Oz was a bad candidate, but it's funny how nobody is questioning any of those results.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (eacmp)

Compared to Fetterman, he was a stellar candidate. Under no plausible scenario other than cheating does a functional adult lose to Fetterman.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (Y5qcH)

180 173 I realize Oz was a bad candidate, but it's funny how nobody is questioning any of those results.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (eacmp)

We did, but we already knew this shit was going to happen, but GOPe needed to "Pounce" on something.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (OLVeZ)

181 173 I realize Oz was a bad candidate, but it's funny how nobody is questioning any of those results.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (eacmp)

Dems reversed their playbook this year. They released the totals out of Pittsburgh first (I believe), and Fetterman held something like a 95% immediate lead. Gives a hint of credibility if you just look at percentages.

That said, I think a lot of people are questioning it but also realize nothing can be done. Plus, Shapiro romped.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (KbCG3)

182 I like the original version of “When Johnny Comes Marching Home,” “Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye.” Very moving.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (atmen)

183 176 >>>This country will not survive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Two more years of Biden. We won't survive by 2024.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:32 AM (VWp7G)

The winter may be very, very warm for a brief instant.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

184 "I'm not sticking my vote in the mail. I will stand in line all day if I have to in order to get my I VOTED sticker."

Maybe someone can create an 'I voted, I hope it's counted' sticker

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (1n+EO)

185 Correct. Pennsylvania is gone forever, as are Arizona if that's any indication. They cheat and they cheat and they always get away with it.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (VWp7G)

Yes, Penn is a complete dumpster fire, which you know.

However, the people inside the Lake team make the case that not only are they going to be well ahead when the votes are counted, but it's very likely Masters will be carried across the line too.

Until they're shown to be wishful thinking fantasists, I'll believe they know what they're talking about.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (NWBBy)

186 I realize Oz was a bad candidate, but it's funny how nobody is questioning any of those results.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (eacmp)

It is possible that 50% of Pennsylvania is mentally handicapped, and the voters felt Lumpy was one of them.

Posted by: Wally at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (FJYfm)

187 "Vote harder, people."

That'll teach em next time.

Posted by: merdint at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (s/s6s)

188 In Maricopa County (Phoenix) Arizona, almost one third of voting machines were inoperable until mid-afternoon on Election Day. Voters were given alternatives such as waiting until the machines were fixed, or voting at another precinct, or surrendering their ballots to a third party who promised to properly cast it once the problem was resolved. How many people went to another precinct only to find another line and the same problem before giving up and not voting?

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Late to the party, and likely already mentioned: and those polling places that had issues just happened to be in heavily Republican enclaves (e.g. Anthem) -- and as Kari Lake herself said after issue at her polling location, she went to one in a primarily Democrat area to vote, and of course had no issues.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (K3TEc)

189 Sarah's gone transgender...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 11, 2022 11:22 AM (ynpvh)
++++
She's gone tranny, look at the proof
She's gone tranny, got rid o' them boobs
She's gone tranny, a new kind of dupe
She's gone tranny, there she goes!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (t0OGg)

190 179 173 I realize Oz was a bad candidate, but it's funny how nobody is questioning any of those results.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (eacmp)

Compared to Fetterman, he was a stellar candidate. Under no plausible scenario other than cheating does a functional adult lose to Fetterman.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (Y5qcH)

Early voting. They voted for a dead man too; in my calculus, that's even a worse candidate than a retarded one.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (ynpvh)

191 However, the people inside the Lake team make the case that not only are they going to be well ahead when the votes are counted, but it's very likely Masters will be carried across the line too.

Until they're shown to be wishful thinking fantasists, I'll believe they know what they're talking about.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (NWBBy)

The year was 2020...

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (KbCG3)

192 Running out of paper... so, they are printing the ballots for each voter now I guess. There's no pre-printed stack? I can believe that. When I went to vote, I noticed that every polling place had ballots for every precinct, printed on demand based on your home address. There was nothing special other than the size of the sheet of paper. Printed on both sides BTW.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (Q4IgG)

193 mcconnell and mccarthy are going to give the meat puppet anything his handlers want.

but yeah, this is all Trump's fault.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (1DgE4)

194 They cheat. Mightily. And we're doing NOTHING on our side to change it. They were ALLOWED to kick R monitors out and block the windows. They were ALLOWED to drop off hundreds of thousands of ballots in the dead of night from unmarked vans. They were ALLOWED to stuff the mail-in ballot boxes EVERY NIGHT, unabated.
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This is the ugly truth of it. Again. Look at Florida Ohio. Used to be purple. Not any more. We'll never win in Penn if they don't clean up the rolls and police philly and ring suburbs. Same for Mich. That's where they drag the donkey's carcass over the line every time.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (aHg9P)

195 "Vote harder, people."

That'll teach em next time.
Posted by: merdint at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (s/s6s)

I mashed the touch screen quite hard. Stabbed it with my forefinger I did. Bore down on the "Print Ballot" button too, for good measure.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (4I/2K)

196 I did hear that some House members are not voting for McCarthy. That may be a good sign, but the GOPe may also stop that.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (VWp7G)

197 It is possible that 50% of Pennsylvania is mentally handicapped, and the voters felt Lumpy was one of them.

Posted by: Wally at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (FJYfm)

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Out: The Shy Trump Voter.
In: The Shy Lump Voter.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (K3TEc)

198 USPS issued a bulletin tht they cannot guarantee the blue boxes. Not election related, just in general. It said don’t put mail in there on the weekend specially,

But mail in votes are totally safe.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (iuF2q)

199 I'm not sticking my vote in the mail. I will stand in line all day if I have to in order to get my I VOTED sticker.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (45fpk)

High Five!

Posted by: banana Dream at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (0fVbu)

200 "It is possible that 50% of Pennsylvania is mentally handicapped, and the voters felt Lumpy was one of them."

Snopes rates this statement as 'True'.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (1n+EO)

201 >Early voting. They voted for a dead man too;

was he dead when people were filling out their ballots? I don't know the timeline here

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (geLO8)

202 Early voting. They voted for a dead man too; in my calculus, that's even a worse candidate than a retarded one.

something like 200k votes came from unregistered voters in the PA 2020 election.

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (dCxaZ)

203 >54 I wouldn't trust mail in voting on a bet. Who says the ballot they count was actually the ballot you put in your envelope? Nothing but trust, and I have no trust in this system.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (l7Kbv)

Mrs Meta and I were away for election day so we submitted absentee ballots well in advance. Mrs. Meta received an email staring here ballot was not receive, however, our county website has her voted as tabulated. I have no confidence our votes counted. I have no confidence in any of our election processes. This in PA - the proto banana republic of the US.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (gryET)

204 In the mini series, "The Hatfields and McCoys" they show an election day. It's more like a get together with entertainment, food, and booze. Lots of booze. Most folks armed. Now this results in a few homicides, but the vote count was probably monitored and correct.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (lz5hY)

205 195 "Vote harder, people."

That'll teach em next time.
Posted by: merdint at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (s/s6s)

I mashed the touch screen quite hard. Stabbed it with my forefinger I did. Bore down on the "Print Ballot" button too, for good measure.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (4I/2K)

But you didn't "rock" the vote now, did you?

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

206 Joe, I guess that is true but we always love the stories about the vans of ballots waiting in Bridgeport or New Haven if needed. Sad that Stefanowski lost by more than he did the last time and that skeletor will still be around.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 11, 2022 11:27 AM (DBrN4)
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It doesn't mean there's no fraud or that fraud is impossible or even difficult. But that doesn't change the fact that compared to places like PA and IL and AZ, CT is a paragon of virtue when it comes to elections.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (t0OGg)

207 PA, NY and IL will now all fall into the toilet together. It's one thing to win, it's another to govern.

In NY, Hochul only beat Zeldin by ~300k votes- the margin of harvested, and unverified ballots. That's the smallest margin on a long time. Now NY will get it good and hard on crime, taxes, quality of life and mandatory vaccines. The outflow of people and their tax money will continue. It's going to cause significant societal and economic issues and the state will lag behind others. The people paying the most will be those who can least afford it, and voted for it. Hope they enjoy it.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (eacmp)

208 Oz was bad but Fetterman was clearly worse.

And yet...

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (nQksi)

209 198 USPS issued a bulletin tht they cannot guarantee the blue boxes. Not election related, just in general. It said don’t put mail in there on the weekend specially,

But mail in votes are totally safe.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (iuF2q)

Turn them into the local Registrar's office.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

210 yep DB. dead

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (UcpmB)

211 >>>Now, whether the machine is legit and my vote actually counts, I do not know. It is at that point that I have no choice but to trust the system.

I worked the election this year, mostly so I could know if the system is trustworthy here in Tennessee. I found it very well done, with the exception of the machines, which are all digital. The advantage is, we had the election results posted on the front door within 30 minutes of closing the doors. The disadvantage is, no paper trail for the ballots. We saved all of the applications for ballot, but the ballot itself is digital. Audited every day to ensure applications equals ballots cast. Reportedly, that has been addressed by the legislature, and we will be getting new machines statewide in 2024, with a paper trail.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (CO3WZ)

212 > Guess who pays when the govt gets fined?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 11, 2022 11:30 AM (Y5qcH)

Qualified immunity needs to be killed with fire.

It's a holdover from the "divine right of kings" period, if you ask me.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (bW8dp)

213 200 "It is possible that 50% of Pennsylvania is mentally handicapped, and the voters felt Lumpy was one of them."

Snopes rates this statement as 'True'.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (1n+EO)

Snopes is retarded, so that makes sense.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (ynpvh)

214 201 >Early voting. They voted for a dead man too;

was he dead when people were filling out their ballots? I don't know the timeline here
Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (geLO

He died in Oct after a short illness. He was 85. People definitely voted for him while he was still alive.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (Zqchx)

215 yeah, DeSantis fixed the corrupt voting system and that's the lesson to be learned. GOP held all three branched of government a dozen years ago and didn't fix ungatz.

should be: PA GOP

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (dCxaZ)

216 But you didn't "rock" the vote now, did you?
Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

Didn't want to risk a "TILT" condition on the machine and risk losing my turn (and quarter).

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (4I/2K)

217
Now...this is for some shirt which no one cares about, besides me. Does anyone really think sending ballots through this system is at all safe and secure?!?
Posted by: 18-1

Print ballots on Amazon shirts?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2022 11:39 AM (n+4am)

218 I thought the reason for voting "day of" only was to deny the Democrats the knowledge of how many fake ballots they had to create for the cheat?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2022 11:39 AM (F8JnV)

219 "Vote harder, people."

That'll teach em next time.
Posted by: merdint at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (s/s6s)

I mashed the touch screen quite hard. Stabbed it with my forefinger I did. Bore down on the "Print Ballot" button too, for good measure.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (4I/2K)
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I voted like I was hitting Paul Pelosi with a dildo-shaped ball-peen hammer.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 11:39 AM (K3TEc)

220 "Pollute", "pettiness" "refusal" are emo value judgments. Which you are entitled to have, but if you want to actually do something useful calm your tits and make a logical argument.
Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (SaWsL)
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Well said. Feels-based adjectives are not analysis.

I for one am unimpressed with Trump's electoral results. It's clear now that his 2016 victory in Pennsylvania was a fluke and I really hope Republicans don't keep trying to depend on a Pennsylvania path to victory because it's a deep blue state and has been for a very long time. Trump was able to win it narrowly one time, but couldn't repeat it. This election proved that Pennsylvania remains elusive.

The best argument for Trump is his rapport with working-class voters, but if he can't deliver consistent victory in working-class-heavy states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, then he doesn't actually bring much to the table any more.

Posted by: Caiwyn at November 11, 2022 11:39 AM (+dHQK)

221 > Lots of booze. Most folks armed. Now this results in a few homicides, but the vote count was probably monitored and correct.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (lz5hY)

Back in the day, you'd go to the polls, get in line, and when you got to the head, you would declare your choices verbally. Then all the people you voted for, or their local representatives, were expected to give you a shot of whiskey.

Hence the old-time expression "Drunker than a Baptist on Election Day".

I for one would prefer this to the system we have now.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2022 11:40 AM (bW8dp)

222 Polls showed that the enthusiasm in the Dem camp was at a severe low. They still 'turned out.' And by 'turned out' I mean they know they don't have to vote because they know their vote will be counted anyway, along with any and all relatives in their family tree throughout history.

They cheat. Mightily. And we're doing NOTHING on our side to change it. They were ALLOWED to kick R monitors out and block the windows. They were ALLOWED to drop off hundreds of thousands of ballots in the dead of night from unmarked vans. They were ALLOWED to stuff the mail-in ballot boxes EVERY NIGHT, unabated.

This country will not survive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 11:31 AM (7Q7Ca)

I assume every nursing home gets a load of ballots, and the ones who are lucid cast their votes. Everyone else has their ballots harvested. Including the old folks who died years ago, and still get ballots mailed to them there.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:40 AM (NWBBy)

223 216 But you didn't "rock" the vote now, did you?
Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

Didn't want to risk a "TILT" condition on the machine and risk losing my turn (and quarter).

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (4I/2K)

LOL.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:40 AM (ynpvh)

224 Are trannies flying our B52s?

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at November 11, 2022 11:40 AM (nQksi)

225 If you've got two candidates in a race and one dies shouldn't the race then be considered uncontested?

It's like when one guy ceases to be any votes for him should simply be invalid.

Posted by: Robert at November 11, 2022 11:41 AM (1Yy3c)

226 . This in PA - the proto banana republic of the US

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: California at November 11, 2022 11:41 AM (Ac/76)

227 "something like 200k votes came from unregistered voters in the PA 2020 election."

How can someone be an unregistered voter?

If your registered and you cast a ballot, you're a voter.

If you're not registered and you cast a ballot, I think that makes you a felon.

If you're not registered and you don't cast a ballot, or you're registered and don't cast a ballot, I believe that makes you a spectator.

Or is this something like 'Pre-documented Citizen'?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:41 AM (1n+EO)

228 >>>"It is possible that 50% of Pennsylvania is mentally handicapped, and the voters felt Lumpy was one of them."

I live here. It's much higher than 50%.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:41 AM (bkUtD)

229 >I thought the reason for voting "day of" only was to deny the Democrats the knowledge of how many fake ballots they had to create for the cheat?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I think their MO now is, simply to have fucktons of 'ballots' standing by, ready for use if needed

never run out of ammo!

Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (geLO8)

230 214 201 >Early voting. They voted for a dead man too;

was he dead when people were filling out their ballots? I don't know the timeline here
Posted by: DB at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (geLO

He died in Oct after a short illness. He was 85. People definitely voted for him while he was still alive.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (Zqchx)
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Sometimes people knowingly vote for a dead guy because they want a chance at a do-over via special election. I'd vote for a dead Republican over a living Democrat any day.

Posted by: Caiwyn at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (+dHQK)

231 in Ohio

you get a pre printed scan tron bubble ballot. They check your id, quizz you on your address etc, then pull the ballot. THe ballot's bar code and the bar code on your license are imaged together at the same time on the same image. Its like a digital purple finger print. There is an audit able record of you having already pulled a ballot. And then when finished and scanned in.

Now the hacking of those machines is an issue if you let them connect to the internet. Also the issue of loading votes into the machine via a thumbdrive is also possible. However, you need a year with a lot of Dem undervoting to avoid a math issue and in such a year, its going to be hard to get enough votes period to win, especially if there are cross over votes. They didn't cheat in Ohio because they couldn't hide it. Dewine, who is not an inspiring leader, won Yugely. JD Vance who is a weak candidate won by 400,000 votes. All of the republicans running for Supreme Court in Ohio won.

Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (9bSJG)

232 Pull out an absentee ballot. Get copying, check ID and sign it. Name and Address. Let them Appeal THAT in court.

This is complete malfeasance.

Posted by: SmileyGG at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (77cT/)

233 129 So when did they start spamming threads? Usually it was 3-4 hours after the threads die but now spammers are getting in
Posted by: banana Dream
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Only a couple but there are techniques to make it seem like dozens of them. The blog administrators can tell who it is, we can't really other than ignore them.

Especially do not cut and paste the troll crap, nics, whatever, into any posts. Creates problems getting rid of them. If you must refer to a troll by name/nic, change it slightly to make fun of them so as to not prevent banning by nic.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (CXr4y)

234 > Snopes is retarded, so that makes sense.
Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:38 AM (ynpvh)

One of the strangest things to future historians (if there are any) is how Snopes was just accepted by many as being omnisicent.

Snopes is just a website run by some communist dude and his stripper girlfriends. They have no particular expertise or credentials on ANY issue, much less EVERY issue.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (bW8dp)

235 Anti-Trumper's are now backing DeSantis.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 11, 2022 11:43 AM (pb6ET)

236 I thought the reason for voting "day of" only was to deny the Democrats the knowledge of how many fake ballots they had to create for the cheat?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2022 11:39 AM (F8JnV)

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Yes, that was the rationale -- especially among R's here in AZ. Many held-on to their "mail-in" ballots until election day, then flooding the polling locales by using drop boxes or handing-in in person.

All those envelopes require signature verification (and some percentage forget to sign), after which they attempt to contact the voter via phone (and most of those forget to include their current phone #) -- thus the delays and fusterclucks.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 11:43 AM (K3TEc)

237 Anti-Trumper pedos are now backing DeSantis.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 11, 2022 11:43 AM (pb6ET)

238 How can we do "our own" mail in ballot drives if Dems count the mail ins?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 11, 2022 11:43 AM (EGSGm)

239 I mean early voting just means the Dems would have to throw votes from conservative areas in to an incinerator to make sure they don't get counted.

There was a very good thread by TheLastRefuge about how voters tend to matter less now, than ballots. As voters require a person who can fill out their own ballot, while ballots can be harvested and filled out by anyone.

Democrats aren't necessarily focusing on early voting, they're focusing on making out ballots they can manipulate later.

Not having a federal law that says voter rolls must be cleaned every 10 years, just like the census, is just going to make sure thre Dems always win. I'm surprised it's never an election issue where republicans just point blank ask "why do you fight to stop removing the dead and relocated from voter rolls?"

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (nYwKe)

240 Until they're shown to be wishful thinking fantasists, I'll believe they know what they're talking about.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (NWBBy)

The year was 2020...
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:34 AM (KbCG3)

Lake's team is NOT McShitty's team.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (NWBBy)

241 Comedian Gallagher Dies Aged 76

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

242
The best argument for Trump is his rapport with working-class voters, but if he can't deliver consistent victory in working-class-heavy states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, then he doesn't actually bring much to the table any more.
Posted by: Caiwyn at November 11, 2022 11:39 AM (+dHQK)

Bless your heart.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (BdMk6)

243 >>>Anti-Trumper pedos are now backing DeSantis.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

I do like the fact DeSantis isn't taking the bait from Trump's snark. Just ignore him.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (bkUtD)

244 Snopes is just a website run by some communist dude and his stripper girlfriends. They have no particular expertise or credentials on ANY issue, much less EVERY issue.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (bW8dp)

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"snopes.com rates this comment as 'mostly true.'"

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (K3TEc)

245 Could blame McConnell for pulling money from candidates, and giving it to people like Murkowski.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (VWp7G)

That one is inexplicable. But the Republicans underperformed almost everywhere except in FL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (dO/0d)

246 If you're not registered and you cast a ballot, I think that makes you a felon.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:41 AM (1n+EO)

[quibble]
Unregistered voters are not necessarily unqualified voters.
[/quibble]

Posted by: Robert at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (1Yy3c)

247 Yeah, I'm loathe to vote at any other time than Election Day, but it does leave little margin for error. I was thinking, "Good grief, what if I get in an accident and don't get to vote?". So I think I'm going to start voting early in person. Just so I know I have another chance the next day if something goes wrong and I'm turned away. Makes sense.

But I still think all of this is wrong.

Posted by: InZona (formerly InCali) at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (bfyic)

248 And remember, voting is necessary, but not sufficient. So I will continue to vote.

Posted by: InZona (formerly InCali) at November 11, 2022 11:46 AM (bfyic)

249 PA is gone. The rats have total control of the "voting" apparatus and the Legislature ("Surprise!") so no one ever need worry about the possibility of PA going red in '24.

Here in Texas, the issue is one of political will. Abbott is a gutless wimp and refuses to deal with the fraud and nonsense in Harris County. With an overwhelming Repub majority, the voting nonsense could be fixed in a matter of hours, but they refuse to do so. This is absolutely unacceptable.

The solution is simple: 1.) Purge all existing voter rolls. Re-register each and every voter using State-issued photo ID. No exceptions. 2.) Only issue enough ballots for the registered voters in each precinct. Perhaps a few extras for mistakes, but at the close of voting hours, each and every ballot must be accounted for. 3.) Each ballot has a serial number. Each ballot is unique. 4.) In-person Early voting is fine. 5.) All voting will be done in person, with State-issued photo ID to cross-reference the voter rolls of registered voters. 6.) No mail-in voting. No drop boxes. 7.) Counting of votes will be done by hand at the precinct level, and later checked by mechanical tabulators. No computers.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at November 11, 2022 11:46 AM (0zgSN)

250 Lake's team is NOT McShitty's team.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (NWBBy)

I mean, I remember a lot of Trump's people saying that once all the votes in AZ were counted, Trump would be comfortably ahead.

I don't care if this is a different team, just saying that we've all heard this before.

And Lake is currently trying to come back against the opposing team AND the refs.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:47 AM (KbCG3)

251 >>>That one is inexplicable. But the Republicans underperformed almost everywhere except in FL
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Pollsters did that with their nonsense about red waves. Next election I'm turning off all the news sites and ignoring anyone who claims there will be a wave.

Just have them shut up and we'll see what happens afterward.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:47 AM (bkUtD)

252 245 Could blame McConnell for pulling money from candidates, and giving it to people like Murkowski.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (VWp7G)

That one is inexplicable. But the Republicans underperformed almost everywhere except in FL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (dO/0d)

Not inexplicable if the goal is to punish candidates you don't like and help candidates that you agree with. Especially if you LIKE the status quo.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:47 AM (ynpvh)

253 How can someone be an unregistered voter?

If your registered and you cast a ballot, you're a voter.

If you're not registered and you cast a ballot, I think that makes you a felon.

If you're not registered and you don't cast a ballot, or you're registered and don't cast a ballot, I believe that makes you a spectator.

Or is this something like 'Pre-documented Citizen'?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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With real time control of the voter registration, you can create a fake voter, put in the fake ballot for counting, then delete or inactivate the voter.

The technique is a old one called the floating vote or floaters where the urban cheat machines would take bums and have them vote in each precinct. That is why rules about which precinct you get to vote in and voter registration exist. The new twist is simply register fake voters, activate them for an election, then put them back as inactive and erase the voter history file in case an audit occurs. You have ballots but no connection to a real person and because you cannot discard those ballots without proof they are fraudulent--they are counted.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 11:47 AM (CXr4y)

254 Until they're shown to be wishful thinking fantasists, I'll believe they know what they're talking about.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:33 AM (NWBBy)

They anticipated cheating and formulated a plan around it. If she cleans up the voting and AZ repeats the results of the FL voting, then two things have happened that can no longer be ignored.

- There is massive widespread voter fraud problem.
- The GOPe are part of the problem.
- Democrats need to be hung.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (OLVeZ)

255 USPS issued a bulletin tht they cannot guarantee the blue boxes. Not election related, just in general. It said don’t put mail in there on the weekend specially,

But mail in votes are totally safe.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (iuF2q)

I had my mail stolen from a Blue Box. They took a check I sent to the Gas company to pay my mother's bill. Her Chase bank check. They washed the check and changed the amount from $20.09 to $20,000.09. Bank of America cashed it. Took me three months to recover the money from the banks. Have no idea if the person who presented the check was arrested .

Posted by: polynikes at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (Kme0F)

256 I still drink, but I used to drink a lot. I can remember election days in Ohio, when the bars were closed, imbibing at a "social club". And in comes some asshole, running for office, with an entourage. Buys a round, asks if anybody needs a ride to the polls. And I answer "I already voted" and they say "so what".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (lz5hY)

257 NJ Voting Machine Glitch May Delay Election Results, 11/8;
Mercer County calls for voting machine investigation after Election Day scanning problems, 11/9, and Mercer County officials search for missing ballots under emergency court order, 11/10. That in Mercer County NJ!! (And, yes, southern NJ had began turning towards MAGA conservative.)

There's already action to 'Crush the Coup,' 2024.

Are we so stupid we can't think, organize? Not from what I read. Please, try.

@171. Hear, hear!

Posted by: Lola at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (NIYa7)

258 The only Gallagher joke I remember (paraphrased):

What do we call the part of the government that’s in charge of outdoor stuff?

The Department of the Interior!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (atmen)

259 Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (OLVeZ)

Damn my editing mid post... THREE THINGS... THREE

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (OLVeZ)

260 Trump was not on the ballot in any state last Tuesday. At some point the actual candidate needs to take responsibility for their win or defeat.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (uDAZ+)

261 Republicans Have Got to Start Voting Early to Fight the Democrats’ Voter Suppression

Because we did so poorly in Florida and so well in PA?

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (hPvGe)

262 Next time, dadgum, those elections will be straight!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (12jgO)

263 Willowed, from a prior thread:

490 Doomscroller would be a cool nic.

More coffee...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2022 09:22 AM (R/m4+)

It has a certain dash and elan. Maybe as a nic title?

Posted by: Aetius451AD, Doomscroller Emeritus at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (CwQXo)

264 241 Comedian Gallagher Dies Aged 76
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

Everyone invest in Watermelons... RIP Gallagher.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (OLVeZ)

265 Day of voting….

When it takes 2 weeks to count the vote, er make more fake ballots….

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (L8i1k)

266 Make it a fineable offense to run out of paper
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

Yes you will be fined out of a cannon into the sun.

Posted by: Bourbonchicken at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (44ww/)

267 This actually happened in Alaska back in '72. A plane carrying Alaska Representative Nick Begich (grandfather of the Nick Begich running as R this time, and father of the Mark Begich who was a one-term Senator) and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs (father of the aptly-named Cokie Roberts) disappeared when their bush plane went down in the Alaskan wilderness. The plane has never been found.

The plane disappeared on October 16, just before the election, but the men weren't declared dead until December 29.

Despite likely being dead, Begich won his election against Don Young.

After he was declared dead, a special election was held, which Young won. Young then remained Alaska's sole Congressman until he died last year.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2022 11:50 AM (bW8dp)

268 Lake's team is NOT McShitty's team.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (NWBBy)

I mean, I remember a lot of Trump's people saying that once all the votes in AZ were counted, Trump would be comfortably ahead.

I don't care if this is a different team, just saying that we've all heard this before.

And Lake is currently trying to come back against the opposing team AND the refs.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 11, 2022 11:47 AM (KbCG3)

Trump didn't know what he was talking about. He usually doesn't, he just says things.

The bottom line in Arizona is that there are hundreds of thousands of same day ballots to be counted. The people who SHOULD know what they're talking about are saying they will break well over 60% for Lake/Masters. They crunch the numbers, and are sure she will will, and confident he will as well.

This is not just Trump spouting stuff about which he knows nothing. These people have the receipts. Or so they say. We'll see, but this is not 2020.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:50 AM (NWBBy)

269 We do not have free and fair elections in this country and will not because the gop is just as crooked as the donks.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 11, 2022 11:50 AM (12jgO)

270 255 USPS issued a bulletin tht they cannot guarantee the blue boxes. Not election related, just in general. It said don’t put mail in there on the weekend specially,

But mail in votes are totally safe.

Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:35 AM (iuF2q)

I had my mail stolen from a Blue Box. They took a check I sent to the Gas company to pay my mother's bill. Her Chase bank check. They washed the check and changed the amount from $20.09 to $20,000.09. Bank of America cashed it. Took me three months to recover the money from the banks. Have no idea if the person who presented the check was arrested .

Posted by: polynikes at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (Kme0F)

Check Kiting.
Strange. Normally there are wait times for large checks like that.

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

271 Trump was not on the ballot in any state last Tuesday. At some point the actual candidate needs to take responsibility for their win or defeat.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (uDAZ+)

And so does Trump need to stop taking credit for those endorsed candidates who win?

Posted by: polynikes at November 11, 2022 11:50 AM (Kme0F)

272 We vote early, they make enough votes to overcome our votes.

We allow early voting, they go harvest ballots in highly dense urban areas. We can't match in red rural areas.

We allow dominion machines, they change the votes anyway.

We allow absentee ballots, they just go online and request them to extremes.

Everyone votes on election day and gets a purple finger for all I care. Anything other than that maintains the status quo and ensure Republican losses. PA and MI gone forever. AZ about to follow suit.

Posted by: BacktoGA at November 11, 2022 11:06 AM (MPYWI)

THIS^^^^^^

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (1Kt+g)

273 >>>We do not have free and fair elections in this country and will not because the gop is just as crooked as the donks.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Mostly true.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (bkUtD)

274 Aren't there two Gallaghers? i thought he had a brother that looked just like him and copied his act.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (xPl2J)

275 McConnell just agreed to to fund Kemp's GOTV op to get Walker elected. Mitch will provide the money and Kemp will provide the organization and troops.

Irrespective of my loathing for Mitch, this is how you win. You don't win by being a divisive man-baby more concerned with your fragile ego and throwing pejoratives at your own troops during battle. You do what needs to be done to win the battle.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (eacmp)

276 Oh yeah they're doing away with precinct voting too. Here in AZ, in Pima, you can vote at any voting center. That allows for a lot of shenanigans.

Posted by: InZona (formerly InCali) at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (bfyic)

277 264 241 Comedian Gallagher Dies Aged 76
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

Everyone invest in Watermelons... RIP Gallagher.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (OLVeZ)

I would think the contrary...

Posted by: jim (in California) at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

278 Gallagher died in Hospice Care of massive organ failure.

I wasn't aware he was failing, but I guess he knew it was coming.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (1n+EO)

279 The first 250,000 early ballots counted in PA broke 100% for Fetterman.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (12jgO)

280
That one is inexplicable. But the Republicans underperformed almost everywhere except in FL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (dO/0d)

Try looking at OK too. And the "abortion was a major factor" theory is moot too. OK has the most restrictive abortion laws in the nation.

Try looking passed FL to some of the other states.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (BdMk6)

281 One of the reasons not to early vote is it makes it harder for Ds to determine how much they need to cheat. Same for withholding results. This is somewhat mitigated if counting doesn't occur until later, but estimates can still be made.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (eYoxG)

282 Pollsters did that with their nonsense about red waves. Next election I'm turning off all the news sites and ignoring anyone who claims there will be a wave.

Just have them shut up and we'll see what happens afterward.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:47 AM (bkUtD)

Yes but the fact that a brain dead tumor could get elected over a breathing living thinking human being tells us the system is broken

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (dO/0d)

283 I would prefer to make Election Day a National Holiday. That is the only time you can cast your ballot. No mail in voting, period. And the only people that should receive absentee ballots are the military and those who can prove they cannot make it to the polls that day.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (Q7Rk7)

284 It’s silly to assume that your vote won’t be suppressed ahead of Election Day.

Posted by: Mitch Probably at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (zMYGS)

285 251 >>>That one is inexplicable. But the Republicans underperformed almost everywhere except in FL
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Pollsters did that with their nonsense about red waves. Next election I'm turning off all the news sites and ignoring anyone who claims there will be a wave.

Just have them shut up and we'll see what happens afterward.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
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Not really. GOP got roughly 52-3 percent of the House vote which is actually at the top end of the generic GOP/Dem vote polling--R+5 or R+6. The problem for the GOP is that the votes were not distributed where they needed them by district or by state. Even pollsters favorable to the GOP warned that PA was simply not able to be polled well this year for the Senate--they consistently had Mastriano in trouble. In governor's races. MI had a consistent but small lead for Whitmer and WI was a tossup. Mail in ballot states probably have about a ten percent or so margin of fraud--about double the typical urban cheat machine.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (CXr4y)

286 The first 250,000 early ballots counted in PA broke 100% for Fetterman.

lolol

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (dCxaZ)

287 I have ways to solve the issues, but no one wants to do it.

The days of "secret" ballots are over and dead. That only works with a moral electorate.

1. Sign and thumbprint your ballot for a paper trail.

2. First time a location runs out of ballots, the first person disenfranchised get to shoot the head election official. You fucking knew for two fucking years when election day was. ZERO EXCUSES.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (OvB8Q)

288 Someone may have answered me when I asked this before (I apologize if I missed a response) but isn't the reason we try to vote on Election Day because the later the red votes come in, the less time there is to manufacture enough blue votes to outnumber them?

Posted by: Emmie at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (Emce2)

289 - Democrats need to be hung.
Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:48 AM (OLVeZ)

Minor quibble: Hanged.

Otherwise, carry on.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (NWBBy)

290 Posted by: Brewingfrog at November 11, 2022 11:46 AM (0zgSN)

Abbott is more a piecemeal kind of guy. The small steps they took to address the voting already proved enough. Beto got stomped even after burning $70m. The House and the Senate got redder. I won't be surprised if they take it to another level during this term.

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (OLVeZ)

291 I guess this year's election debacle is what it will take for most Republicans to start noticing. I pestered and dragged my family and friends to early in-person voting this year for this very reason. And most of them protested it, saying they wanted to vote on Election Day. But I told them that makes it too easy for Democrats to $%^& up just one day (the LAST day) of voting. Which they did. If you wait until Election Day to vote, don't assume you'll get to vote. On top of this, we have to roll back the universal mail-in voting without verification of ID. Nothing really matters if that is allowed to stand.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (Gu48G)

292 245 Could blame McConnell for pulling money from candidates, and giving it to people like Murkowski.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 11, 2022 11:25 AM (VWp7G)

That one is inexplicable. But the Republicans underperformed almost everywhere except in FL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2022 11:45 AM (dO/0d)

I don't think we get R+6 nationally with Republicans underperforming everywhere but Florida. The Rs for one reason or another face a brutal voter distribution problem, which had traditionally favored them.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 11:53 AM (eYoxG)

293 fetterlump's MOV was 200k or so.

That early voting dump assured his "victory"

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:53 AM (dCxaZ)

294 Trump was not on the ballot in any state last Tuesday. At some point the actual candidate needs to take responsibility for their win or defeat.
Posted by: Jen the original

That is absolutely correct. Results varied all over the country. It was the candidates.
People blame Trump and Oz for losing to Fetterman in PA. Josh Shapiro beat Doug Mastriano by a much bigger margin than Oz lost to Fetterman.
Perhaps it is just PA, and everything that goes along with that. The voters, how they vote, and the crooked election rigging that likely takes place.

Historically, the gap between the Democrats and Republicans in PA is closing, but that may be about it.

Posted by: A face in the crowd...... at November 11, 2022 11:53 AM (vcOmj)

295 I do like the fact DeSantis isn't taking the bait from Trump's snark. Just ignore him.

I like that those two have tricked the GOPe, D's, and media into supporting a brutally effective executive who has cleaned up the elections, buried the D's. And look what he did to PedoWorld in Orlando. When have they ever supported someone with an actual record like that?

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2022 11:53 AM (yZlY6)

296 Comedian Gallagher Dies Aged 76
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

Him or his brother ? Always found it weird he sold his act to his brother to use.

Posted by: polynikes at November 11, 2022 11:53 AM (Kme0F)

297 Minor quibble: Hanged.

Otherwise, carry on.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (NWBBy)

Minor? That depends I guess, how hung until dead do we want them?

/s

Posted by: tryhardneckbeard at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (OLVeZ)

298 Comedian Gallagher Dies Aged 76
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

Good Riddance!

Posted by: Watermelons at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (R/m4+)

299 Because we did so poorly in Florida and so well in PA?
Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2022 11:49 AM (hPvGe)

well, there IS this :

138 In Florida Rs beat Ds in early voting this year. First time ever I believe. And Rs had an exceptionally good result in the state. There is a lesson to be learned from this.
Posted by: DeathSantis 24 at November 11, 2022 11:26 AM (iuF2q)

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (V13WU)

300 288 Someone may have answered me when I asked this before (I apologize if I missed a response) but isn't the reason we try to vote on Election Day because the later the red votes come in, the less time there is to manufacture enough blue votes to outnumber them?
Posted by: Emmie at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (Emce2)

Yes. It's very much a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. A better answer is building local political machines just as devious as the Ds.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (eYoxG)

301 284 It’s silly to assume that your vote won’t be suppressed ahead of Election Day.

Posted by: Mitch Probably at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (zMYGS)

What does this even mean?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (Gu48G)

302 One of the reasons not to early vote is it makes it harder for Ds to determine how much they need to cheat. Same for withholding results. This is somewhat mitigated if counting doesn't occur until later, but estimates can still be made.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

One solution? Live tabulation. Totals go up on a giant tote board.

You put your ballot in, and the totals are displayed.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 11:55 AM (OvB8Q)

303 Rory Gallagher > Gallagher

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 11, 2022 11:55 AM (xPl2J)

304 Oh yeah they're doing away with precinct voting too. Here in AZ, in Pima, you can vote at any voting center. That allows for a lot of shenanigans.
Posted by: InZona (formerly InCali) at November 11, 2022 11:51 AM (bfyic)

And Douchey signed off on it, along with everyone else, even though it's a violation of state law.

Done for the Covids, because reasons. Lake says it's gone when she gets in.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2022 11:55 AM (NWBBy)

305 Make it a ~~fineable~~ jailable offense to run out of paper
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

FTFY

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 11:55 AM (Mkvkw)

306 288 Someone may have answered me when I asked this before (I apologize if I missed a response) but isn't the reason we try to vote on Election Day because the later the red votes come in, the less time there is to manufacture enough blue votes to outnumber them?

Posted by: Emmie at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (Emce2)

------

See Alberta Oil Peon @ 218 and responses.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 11, 2022 11:56 AM (K3TEc)

307 301 284 It’s silly to assume that your vote won’t be suppressed ahead of Election Day.

Posted by: Mitch Probably at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (zMYGS)

What does this even mean?
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (Gu48G)

Post Office conveniently losing ballots from R areas for example.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 11:56 AM (eYoxG)

308 "The best argument for Trump is his rapport with working-class voters, but if he can't deliver consistent victory in working-class-heavy states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, then he doesn't actually bring much to the table any more."

Yuppers.

Even when the progs cheat, its

Trumps

fault.

Game over.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at November 11, 2022 11:56 AM (1DgE4)

309 but isn't the reason we try to vote on Election Day because the later the red votes come in, the less time there is to manufacture enough blue votes to outnumber them?

Posted by: Emmie at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (Emce2)

That always seemed to be the thought.

But in days past Dems would keep their fraud Pre-Election, and try not to be suspicious, sending in 10s of thousands of votes. I think a lot of the fraud would also be kept on state levels or lower.

But those days are gone. Dems aren't afraid to just delay and produce more ballots. They'll do it for any office too, they don't care if they need to fill out 40,000 ballots, night of, only voting for president and leaving everything else blank.

Democrats have now understood there's no consequences to creating, so they're blatent, and nothing will stop them.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2022 11:56 AM (nYwKe)

310 Here's the problem with purple fingers: It doesn't prevent fabricating and inserting new ballots to be counted. It only insures someone doesn't legitimately vote twice.

In a world of purple dye, what's stopping a union thug from unloading a trunk full of ballots all marked for the D team?

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2022 11:57 AM (ZR7kf)

311 he voters, how they vote, and the crooked election rigging that likely takes place.

PA is notorious for vote-splitting, that's why even though I thought Oz would win...(and still believe he is the legit winner)...I didn't have much hope for Mastriano.

I loved that ticket...two Italians! what's not to like?

facciabrutta

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:57 AM (dCxaZ)

312 Personally I want to see how people vote when the choice between a couple of good candidates is on the primary ticket.
Posted by: tell me why you like somebody better, not why you hate somebody at November 11, 2022 11:21 AM (SaWsL)

You expect trolls to make sense?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2022 11:57 AM (n2g9L)

313 How about we start by hanging everyone responsible for lack of ballots and machines going offline on election day?

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at November 11, 2022 11:57 AM (jsyJZ)

314 Make it a fineable jailable offense to run out of paper
Posted by: SMOD

Executable offense.

Because some prog will gladly sit a day or two in jail.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (OvB8Q)

315 Posted by: Honest Cloud at November 11, 2022 11:23 AM (SpPNO)

Holy Smoke! Recycled trolls!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (n2g9L)

316 How about we start by hanging everyone responsible for lack of ballots and machines going offline on election day?
Posted by: VAR1ABLE

SOMEONE sees a solution.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (OvB8Q)

317 Comedian Gallagher Dies Aged 76
Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

The Oasis brothers mourn.

Posted by: spindrift at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (h5TKJ)

318 One solution? Live tabulation. Totals go up on a giant tote board.
You put your ballot in, and the totals are displayed.

That process can be rigged, too. How do you know your local tabulation makes it unaltered to the county and then the state? Somehow we need to figure out a trustworthy system that can be run by untrustworthy people.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (ptElO)

319 No, not so dumb.

Democratic Socialists of America, MoveOn dot org, Planned Parenthood, the Working Families Party, Tides Foundation, ACLU ..that's the nature of Fetterman support (like all of the Squad), but far from all.

The Bernie Sanders/Liz Warren progressive movement is what's taking the big hold.

Posted by: Lola at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (NIYa7)

320 Early voting (by mail) still allows for votes of registered Republicans to be misplaced until after election day in blue precincts. It's happened with overseas military ballots has it not?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 11, 2022 11:59 AM (F5ekr)

321 "Blaming Trump is wrong --But we do have to look at the Law of Diminishing Returns" Posted by: Nevergiveup
==
See . . . that's how you do it. No orangeman bad. No character attacks. An appeal to reason. Nothing much to grab on to except the notional idea that his time has come an gone. Guess how you test that theory . . . Primary."

right. Dave FL said Oz underperformed in rural areas. My impression is the "Hard MAGA" voters were upset Trump "sold out" the MAGA brand that wins when given the chance. (some here explained his first MAGA picked dropped out, and that Barnette came on late and was not experienced)

OK, but electing a liberal friend of the Donald was not what MAGA wanted. and there are other unforced errors ... too many to list, but keeping Fauci/Birx up there in the face of all evidence, was a big error ... Trump ignored the real science (he tried to push HCQ and other things and got blasted, but still, should have replace backstabbing Fauci ... and Birx was allegedly a Jarvanka influence op, idk.

Loyalty is great, but Flynn, Bannon, Levandoski, Coulter, Gorka ... all got dumped pretty early. idk .. Trump probably has the panache to still win a primary.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2022 11:59 AM (Cus5s)

322 Xi giggles himself to sleep every night.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 11, 2022 11:59 AM (yFgCz)

323 All the "It should be this way" or "we should lock up the cheaters" or "we should get rid of mail ballots" drives me crazy. "Should" is irrelevant. "Can" should be what we are looking at. What "Can" we do? You can't eliminate mail ballots without winning first. You have to play the hand in front of you, obviously. So we need to out harvest and out early vote the D's. Our people should be at the nursing homes, going door to door collecting ballots, before the dems get out of bed. That is the only way to win. THEN you have a chance to change things.

Posted by: Peter at November 11, 2022 12:00 PM (BbSpR)

324 In a world of purple dye, what's stopping a union thug from unloading a trunk full of ballots all marked for the D team?
Posted by: Shenanigans

The ballot is marked in purple by a thumbprint.

Questions? The thumbprint is run. Duplicates are deleted with the duplicate-ee serving jail time. 1 to 4 years for a start. Federal time.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (OvB8Q)

325 Trump, Trump, Trump.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (F5ekr)

326 Make it a fineable jailable offense to run out of paper
Posted by: SMOD

Executable offense.

Because some prog will gladly sit a day or two in jail.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (OvB8Q)

i was thinking a year in jail minimum AND a felony record THAT CAN NOT BE EXPUNGED!!!

there's no way to remove it, and it's a LONG time in general population.

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (Mkvkw)

327 Nood - Egg McMuffin lies again.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (Rl7KJ)

328 307 301 284 It’s silly to assume that your vote won’t be suppressed ahead of Election Day.

Posted by: Mitch Probably at November 11, 2022 11:52 AM (zMYGS)

What does this even mean?
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 11, 2022 11:54 AM (Gu48G)

Post Office conveniently losing ballots from R areas for example.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 11:56 AM (eYoxG)

Vote early in person. I will never vote by mail and never vote on Election Day. Its a lot harder to suppress an in-person vote early, because if they are out of ink or paper or whatever, you can always go back. It is absolutely critical that we get rid of the universal unverified mail in voting. Nothing else we do will really matter when all the ballot curing and harvesting lets the Democrats pile up phony votes that can't be overcome.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (Gu48G)

329 @322. Indeed.

Posted by: Lola at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (NIYa7)

330 That process can be rigged, too. How do you know your local tabulation makes it unaltered to the county and then the state?

Somehow we need to figure out a trustworthy system that can be run by untrustworthy people.
Posted by: t-bird

Signed by thumbprint in ink.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (OvB8Q)

331 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 11:53 AM (eYoxG)

Yeah if Republicans ate going to go south, they just need to spread out a bit more. Want to go to FL? Maybe try south GA. Texas bound? AZ and NM could be just as nice.

If the electorate there changes, they can charge the laws to follow TX and FL, making them even more conservative friendly.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (nYwKe)

332 ace is UP you reprobates

Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (dCxaZ)

333 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (7Q7Ca)

334 271. In a support each other Republican world, yes. But that is not what we have. What Winsome Sears did on the morning after the election was a despicable act of backstabbing that has the smell of political promises from both sides of the aisle of Never Trumpers. The Youngkin remark by Trump? As time goes on your possibly going to see a revelation of CCP lobbying and money interests there. Trump has every right and duty to hit back on these self serving assholes who wanted his support but are now tossing him out like a used Kleenex.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (F7Xfj)

335 "320 Early voting (by mail) still allows for votes of registered Republicans to be misplaced until after election day in blue precincts. It's happened with overseas military ballots has it not?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 11, 2022 11:59 AM (F5ekr)"

And it's happened for years in states that already had vote by mail (WA for example)

This entire post is a bunch of wasted words, might as well have just stuck with "vote harder guys!" And even if you do, trusting the GOP is as silly as buying into the Q stuff.

They're deliberately destroying our civilization. Voting isn't going to fix this.

Posted by: somedood at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (WtAgB)

336 324 In a world of purple dye, what's stopping a union thug from unloading a trunk full of ballots all marked for the D team?
Posted by: Shenanigans

The ballot is marked in purple by a thumbprint.

Questions? The thumbprint is run. Duplicates are deleted with the duplicate-ee serving jail time. 1 to 4 years for a start. Federal time.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 12:01 PM (OvB8Q)

That seems like a solid idea.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (eYoxG)

337 Here in Texas, the issue is one of political will. Abbott is a gutless wimp and refuses to deal with the fraud and nonsense in Harris County. With an overwhelming Repub majority, the voting nonsense could be fixed in a matter of hours, but they refuse to do so. This is absolutely unacceptable.
*snip*
Posted by: Brewingfrog at November 11, 2022 11:46 AM (0zgSN)

Not quite. AG Paxton has a suit in progress against Harris County stemming from the March Primary shenanigans. Teen Gauleiter Hidalgo and cronies have been fighting it to a standstill. Perhaps now with additional fresh "oddities" to add, the suit can move forward.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 11, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)

338 nood

McMuffin

Posted by: banana Dream at November 11, 2022 12:03 PM (0fVbu)

339 @324
I could go for that. It's seemed to be a practical low-tech solution (with the option to verify the imprint if needed) for US officials to impose on Afghanistan.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 11, 2022 12:03 PM (F5ekr)

340 275 McConnell just agreed to to fund Kemp's GOTV op to get Walker elected. Mitch will provide the money and Kemp will provide the organization and troops.
Posted by: Marcus T
------------------------
Mitch's ass is probably on the line now. But, GOPer like Kemp are not the ones that can turn out voters very well. Their turnout efforts consist of a) robocalls that people hate, b) stupid campaign flyers cluttering the mailbox, c) radio and tv ads with social media now, d) spam emails.

GOPe consistently fails in their turnout because they do not have an emotional link to their own voters. They run on we are the good guys, the other are the bad guys. Then they betray the base over and over again like Lucy and the football. Charlie Brown in real life would either kick the shit out of Lucy instead of the ball or simply refuse to play.

GA has a dysfunctional GOPe Chamber of Commerce type candidates who relied on the corporate class in Atlanta for winning while treating the rest of the state like dirt. Now the corporate class is becoming leftists, the GOPe simply does not know how to turn out voters in the sticks. Perdue and Loeffler are classic cases of losers.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 12:03 PM (CXr4y)

341 "something like 200k votes came from unregistered voters in the PA 2020 election.
Posted by: kallisto at November 11, 2022 11:36 AM (dCxaZ)"

Hundreds of thousands of the "registered voters" in PA and some of the other pivotal states all "registered" on the exact same day 15, 20, 30 years ago, in blocks of several thousand at a time - and have no record of having voted until 2020.

The rolls are garbage.

Posted by: somedood at November 11, 2022 12:05 PM (WtAgB)

342 There was a case in CA some years ago, a couple registered their dog to vote, in order to prove a point of how easy it was to do.
They're likely still in prison.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, thanks vets at November 11, 2022 12:05 PM (jTmQV)

343
OK, but electing a liberal friend of the Donald was not what MAGA wanted. and there are other unforced errors ... too many to list, but keeping Fauci/Birx up there in the face of all evidence, was a big error ... Trump ignored the real science (he tried to push HCQ and other things and got blasted, but still, should have replace backstabbing Fauci ... and Birx was allegedly a Jarvanka influence op, idk.

Loyalty is great, but Flynn, Bannon, Levandoski, Coulter, Gorka ... all got dumped pretty early. idk .. Trump probably has the panache to still win a primary.
Posted by: illiniwek
---------------------
GOPe and Dems did a hit on Trump's earlier choice Sean Parnell who backed out of running due to marital issues.

Posted by: whig at November 11, 2022 12:05 PM (CXr4y)

344 OK, but electing a liberal friend of the Donald was not what MAGA wanted. and there are other unforced errors ... too many to list, but keeping Fauci/Birx up there in the face of all evidence, was a big error ... Trump ignored the real science (he tried to push HCQ and other things and got blasted, but still, should have replace backstabbing Fauci ... and Birx was allegedly a Jarvanka influence op, idk.

I hear you but it also bears repeating that the media was keeping a daily "death count" against Trump and any action he took in this regard would have been portrayed savagely, which the barking seals that make up a large part of this country would have lapped up.

Similar to the weekly KIA reports during the VietNam war.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 11, 2022 12:06 PM (1Kt+g)

345 I tried googling the vote process for Florida but haven't been able to find much.

Anyone here know how they do it? my guess is with voter ID, it eliminates the verification process after ED so that may speed the process??

Posted by: Sunny at November 11, 2022 12:06 PM (Q47Lc)

346 One of the strangest things to future historians (if there are any) is how Snopes was just accepted by many as being omnisicent.

Snopes is just a website run by some communist dude and his stripper girlfriends. They have no particular expertise or credentials on ANY issue, much less EVERY issue.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2022 11:42 AM (bW8dp)

Not any more. David Mikkelson sold his remaining share in Snopes two months ago: https://tinyurl.com/2m3fs24f

Mikkelson founded the site with his ex-wife, Barbara Hamel. They divorced in 2015 and she sold her half of the company. Barbara's bylines are on all of the classic Snopes articles that built the reputation that the site is now coasting on and no longer deserves.
By the time they divorced she hadn't written for the site in years and Mikkelson and his stripper girlfriend(s) had taken it over.

That came to a head last year. If anyone ever tries to use Snopes to fact-check an argument, you can just cite this NYT article about how they had to retract over 60 articles because Mikkelson plagiarize and fabricated a bunch of stuff: https://archive.ph/uw4zL

Posted by: Caiwyn at November 11, 2022 12:06 PM (+dHQK)

347
Signed by thumbprint in ink.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2022 12:02 PM (OvB8Q)

For almost anything government related you need to go through a facial ID check process. If you want unemployment in some states you need to post a picture if your ID, and then have your face scanned to have AI make sure you addres who toy said you are.

Intrusive? Hell yes, but it's being done for certain things, it can always be done, maybe in an actual safe way, vote the most important thing we do as a country.

Problem is Dems wil never allow it, they'll become ther strictest privacy libertarians, because any form of verification apps them from being allowed to swoop in and grab thousands of nursing home ballots of people who are invalids.

As i said, Republicans should have been hammering Dems on why they refuse to allow secure elections, as I believe it's been polled as a gigantic winner for Republicans.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2022 12:06 PM (nYwKe)

348 That process can be rigged, too. How do you know your local tabulation makes it unaltered to the county and then the state? Somehow we need to figure out a trustworthy system that can be run by untrustworthy people.
Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2022 11:58 AM (ptElO)

I often say that the people who made ebay and paypal have engineered trust for people who don't have any reputation. The problem has been solved, for the guy who sells rare hummels, but not for the citizen.

Posted by: Bourbonchicken at November 11, 2022 12:11 PM (44ww/)

349 Thanks, Horde, for the answers to my question at 288. I see others have wondered the same thing.

Posted by: Emmie at November 11, 2022 12:12 PM (Emce2)

350 whig @253 - isn't this new version of the "floating" voter what happened in Maricopa in 2020? The audit there found 57K votes for which there was no "voter", if I understood the findings correctly?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2022 12:17 PM (OTzUX)

351 Gov. Ron DeSantis heroically exposes the Democrat’s ongoing midterm election thefts…. … and all he had to do was run a fair statewide
election throughout Florida.
That’s it, folks.
End of story.

Posted by: Ring O' Fire at November 11, 2022 12:25 PM (J/pqx)

352 I just read that Masters has to win 60% of uncounted vote to win. Most if it from Maricopa. Where does that leave the other Rep races in AZ including Lakes?

Posted by: Floridachick at November 11, 2022 12:31 PM (X8MxD)

353 I hate to break it to you, but the only actual issue is FRAUD

If not for fraud, you're complaining that we effectively make it "too easy" for lazy people to vote Democrat. How many "lazy Republicans" do you think there are that just need a little more encouragement to vote ? None ? A dozen ?

Vote by mail is entirely open to fraud. It has to be eliminated. PERIOD. Vote in person is the only legit way to do it, but then you have to allow early voting. Still not necessarily going to eliminate lazy Democrats, but the fact is, IF there ARE more Democrat voters, everything about fixing it, is "voter suppression" by at least some definition.

Posted by: deadrody at November 11, 2022 12:38 PM (kYmXc)

354 Alternate Proposal:

No early voting. No mail-in voting. Move elections to Saturdays or make ED a national holiday. Paper ballots. Purple thumbs.

Lock everything down.

Posted by: Boss Tweed Knew at November 11, 2022 12:56 PM (1dzqn)

355 Bro, this is just silly. You aren't going to find some mechanical way to thwart the cheating. They'll just adapt the cheating methods. The only way to clean this up, is to actually clean this up. Republicans are going to have to quit being nice and start to earn their money and that government retirement plan.

Posted by: DFCtomm at November 11, 2022 01:16 PM (OHy0b)

356 354 Alternate Proposal:

No early voting. No mail-in voting. Move elections to Saturdays or make ED a national holiday. Paper ballots. Purple thumbs.

Lock everything down.
Posted by: Boss Tweed Knew at November 11, 2022 12:56 PM (1dzqn)

++++

Excellent idea. You make the first Tuesday in Nov the only federal blue law day of the year, and then end these shenanigans.

Posted by: DFCtomm at November 11, 2022 01:18 PM (OHy0b)

357 Turning out early and shoring up the vote where it's legal to do so isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it isn't going to beat the cheat in a votecheat-by-mail jurisdiction. To beat the cheat there, the GOP has to cheat. Get out and harvest ballots. Knock on doors and offer to "help" the voter fill out his ballot. Mule those ballots out to drop boxes.

Early voting to help avoid election day shenanigans is only relevant in non-vote-by-mail states. In vote-by-mail states, there's no beating the cheat unless the GOP climbs down into the trenches and gets muddy along with the Dems.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2022 11:13 AM (t0OGg)

Even if we do all of the above... They still control the endpoint of the whole chain of custody -- the counting rooms.

We can drop 10x their ballots -- and they can kick us all out, board up windows and shut off camera feeds, and toss every single ballot we dropped. And get away with it, because they also own the cops, the judges and the lawyers.

I'm just full of black pills. I don't see a solution short of Christ returning with a big, sharp, neck-slicing Final Fantasy sword, and going the fuck to town. As was prophesied.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 11, 2022 01:22 PM (YJwUM)

358 Every official ballot should be pre-printed at a secure location with a watermark / holographic imprinting and an encrypted hash that uses a public / private key which embeds the location, date, time, destination precinct, ballot number and the "batch" that it belongs to.

Each batch of ballots would then be locked in a case that is only accessible using another hash which includes all of the previous information, along with a digital key from each candidate provided by a representative from each team at a given precinct.

Finally, only a # of ballots corresponding to registered voters, plus a small % extra to account for spoilage should be printed and distributed.

If a precinct runs out of secure ballots, a provisional ballot can be printed also containing an encrypted key capturing the precinct, date, time and also a private key generated by the voter at the time the ballot is printed.

Anyone voting with a provisional ballot would get a copy of the resulting hash, which they could then use later to verify if their vote was counted via the state website.

Just a thought...

Posted by: Mr. Bo Jangles at November 11, 2022 03:27 PM (IBt/r)

359 I worked the polls in Harris County on election day. We had boxes and boxes of paper ballots in our caddy. All anyone had to do was run a few boxes up to Kingwood or any other place that needed them.

Posted by: nocargocults at November 11, 2022 03:28 PM (yjmBH)

360 Democrats tend to live in apartments. Republicans are more likely to live in single-family housing.
It's a lot easier to farm ballots from apartment complexes than it is from houses.

Posted by: Grim at November 11, 2022 03:29 PM (0t4hx)

361 They'renot Texans, they're Democrats.

Posted by: Richard Sean McEnroe at November 11, 2022 04:32 PM (xzLDB)

362 Vote for Americans not foreign invaders

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