Exit Polls Begin Dropping: 73% of Voters Either Dissatisfied or Angry at Biden Record; 66% Don't Want Him to Run Again

So this is how democracy dies...
with a vote.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Biden's campaign stops hurt Democrats and helped Republicans, claim Republican operatives. Sounds legit.

President Joe Biden's presence on the campaign trail failed to resonate with voters, GOP strategists say, and ended up hurting his Democratic colleagues in what Biden himself has said is "one of the most important elections in our lifetime."
Biden played it safe on the campaign trail over the past week as he visited mostly Democrat-heavy areas, but he already did damage to Democratic candidates with several appearances that failed to talk about issues that voters care about. GOP strategists said the shift in polling data toward Republicans in recent weeks can be attributed, at least in part, to Biden's lackluster performance on the campaign trail.
Brendan Steinhauser, a consultant for GOP candidates, said Biden failed to create a message that can appeal to moderate voters.
"I think his message is tone-deaf and out of touch, especially with working-class voters and independents," Steinhauser told Fox News Digital. "He's still relatively popular with the Democratic base, but that's it. With independent and swing voters, he's a liability not an asset."

Fake Jake did some of his patented pearl clutching over Trump referring to Nancy Pelosi -- who is a senior member of the opposing party during an election -- "an animal," insisting that you're not allowed to say anything negative about her because it might inspire another Right Wing Nudist Pedo-Adjacent Drug Addict BLM-Flag-Flying Hemp-Jewelry-Making Ultra MAGA Republican Attacker.

Fake Jake never told anyone they are not permitted to attack Rand Paul or Bret Kavanaugh, and he never attacked Democrats for saying that Rand Paul's neighbor "had a point," as Paul Pelosi's daughter did.

But he's a Good Guy, twitter cvcks tell me.

Palm Beach County, the county that tried to steal the 2000 election for Gore, is -- or was -- heavily Democratic.

And today?

Anthony Pedicini
@anthonypedicini
Palm Beach County, FL performing just over D+5%... are we seeing a major shift in Florida's political geography?

Ralston is running away from his previous (favorable to the Democrat) predictions:

Jon Ralston
@RalstonReports
"How are you feeling about your predictions?"
--Multiple people emailing and texting me.
"What predictions?"
--Me, trying to get into @TheNVIndy's Content Management System to find the delete key.

@townhall.com
Al Franken on CNN:
"What I worry about...if the Republicans take over...we're not gonna be able to pass anything...There will be hearings...they'll investigate Hunter Biden...those people will want to impeach Biden...I worry about it just being very, very ugly."

Me, Voting Straight Republican Ticket:

Democracy:

Regarding the exit polls: The exit polls understate Republican support, and yet... they seem to presage a Republican victory.

Take, for example, the, um, example of Guam.

Rich Baris "The People's Pundit"
@Peoples_Pundit
1h
Worth noting, James Moylan, the Republican who defeated Judi Won Pat (D) for Guam's delegate to Congress, was trailing in the exit polls, SIGNIFICANTLY.
13 points, last I saw. He won by 5 points.
Folks, I kid you not. The exit poll showed:
Judith Won Pat, Democrat: 56.3%
James Moylan, Republican: 43.7%
Moylan, won. 5 points.

Speaking of exit polls, though:

Political Polls
@PpollingNumbers

CBS Exit Poll:
Would you like to see Joe Biden run for president again in 2024?
No 66%
Yes 30%

CNN EXIT POLL: 73% of Americans are either “angry” or “dissatisfied” with the way things are going under President Biden
pic.twitter.com/fnzYyF3u2C
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) November 8, 2022

CBS News is SHOCKED.

“You go from one end of the state to the other – and I know you were looking – you only found Charlie Crist supporters at a Charlie Crist rally. It was really that difficult.” pic.twitter.com/QLIjswAAje
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) November 8, 2022

Kari Lake on Maricopa County

"This is incompetency. I hope it's not malice, but we're going to fix it. We're going to win, and when we win there's going to be a come to Jesus for elections in Arizona."pic.twitter.com/ZLM5LLhtY2
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 8, 2022

Posted by: Ace at 05:45 PM

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1 But he did so good.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 08, 2022 05:45 PM (l6Hdx)

2 Roomy in here.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 05:45 PM (swBIN)

3 Very.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 08, 2022 05:45 PM (l6Hdx)

4 Helloooo

Posted by: iwuzhere at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (gjN89)

5 Down with devil donks

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (Zzbjj)

6 Deport Democrats.

Posted by: Holy Crap at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (glGDV)

7 Torrential rain in San Fernando valley, cold, windy.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (T9Ppn)

8 👍

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (l6Hdx)

9 That meme. Ouch.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 08, 2022 05:47 PM (yHsuS)

10 insisting that you're not allowed to say anything negative about her because it might inspire another Right Wing Nudist Pedo-Adjacent Drug Addict BLM-Flag-Flying Hemp-Jewelry-Making Ultra MAGA Republican Attacker.

Just how many crazy hobos was Paul Pelosi screwing?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2022 05:47 PM (ESjRY)

11 Cruel imagery, ace...cruel...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2022 05:47 PM (Wnv9h)

12 There are so many great memes on Twitter today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:47 PM (ptqGC)

13 Rookie mistake. Read the content.

Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (ob/Hf)

14 Anyone who knows or knows of Charlie Crist is not surprised that it is hard to find any supporters.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (Ivdso)

15 Chris Hayes looks like he just found out his favorite dick to suck has gone with a higher bidder.

Romney, after all, has deep pockets.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (JOtiF)

16 >>That meme. Ouch.

Slices, doesn't it?

Posted by: Bruno Maglia at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (swBIN)

17 That's some dank memes there

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (XvPQV)

18 I want a pin to wear the next time around my in-laws and sister:

"I murdered your democracy"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (ptqGC)

19 Democrats will fit right in planting rice in North Korea, assembling wheelbarrows in China, washing windshields in Caracas and sweeping streets in Havana.

Posted by: Holy Crap at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (glGDV)

20 Torrential rain in San Fernando valley, cold, windy.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (T9Ppn)

Porn productions on hold?

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (xPl2J)

21 The look on Chris Hayes face -- perfect for today!

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (tQL7r)

22 Well, most of the people at a Charlie Crist rally were reporters, so, obviously, didn't look to hard for supporters.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (5pTK/)

23 That's dark.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (45fpk)

24 Biden played it safe on the campaign trail over the past week as he visited mostly Democrat-heavy areas, but he already did damage to Democratic candidates with several appearances that failed to talk about issues that voters care about.
++++
Well, that and also promising to shut down energy production and other things that voters *do* care about but don't want...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (DU+/6)

25 I'm praying that blood moon was an omen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (ptqGC)

26 Actual exposure to Biden from their local sources have scared a lot of people straight outa Biden. They realize he's a budding lunatic, and his people are corrupt.

Posted by: From about that time at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (4780s)

27 not wasting a post :

so repost :

678 Oh, confirmed Trump slinging mud at DeSantis:

https://tinyurl.com/mr3z4msa

specifically : "Trump then alluded to exposing some dirt on DeSantis without specifying.

“I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife,” Trump said."

DAve in FL should read it.
Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 05:47 PM (V13WU)

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (V13WU)

28 Cruel Chuy is working with a corked bat. Outta the park, baby!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (geVLo)

29 #13 yeah me too 😉

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (l6Hdx)

30 So when in December are we going to see the election results?

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (BdMk6)

31 Grammie!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (ptqGC)

32 Election disrupted in Illinois after voting machines allegedly hit with 'cyber-attack'

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (geLO8)

33 "are we seeing a major shift in Florida's political geography?"

Well, yeah. Clean up the fraud and viola! The Dems lose a massive chunk of their votes.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (xxG/v)

34 28 Cruel Chuy is working with a corked bat. Outta the park, baby!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 08, 2022 05:49 PM (geVLo)

Cruel Chuy is best Chuy.
Muy Macho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (XvPQV)

35 That image of the muscled-up dude having just voted, reminds me of Big Alan Steele playing Hercules in "Hercules Against the Moon Men".

And my nom de plume here from way back: Vic Kevlar

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (ZSK0i)

36 OK, that OJ-Nicole pic made me lose my shit. I haven't LOL'd out loud, laughing, like that since before my first bourbon, 10 minutes ago. Ace, you magnificent bastard!

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (APPN8)

37 When does the shooting start?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (jhNEo)

38 Hellooo there Jane!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (45fpk)

39 Evelyn Wood.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (l6Hdx)

40 The moon looked pretty normal to me. Not orange or anything. Was it supposed to be something special ?

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (V13WU)

41 More democracy memes from last thread.

https://bit.ly/3TjQuqi

https://bit.ly/3Um1NPY

https://bit.ly/3WMigOR

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (yHsuS)

42 Oh, yum, yum, these Dem tears, so salty and delicious. They taste of despair!

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (ftFVW)

43 Hayes is a shmendrik crossed with putz crossed with shmuck. A shmuckrutz if you will.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (IyrhE)

44 Gee, not very many exit polls being released early this cycle.
I wonder if the early release of exit polls might have affect turnouts?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (ztPSO)

45 Some of those "Me and democracy" memes are kind of funny, but this one just makes me sad. Nicole Brown Simpson didn't deserve to be killed and OJ likely just got away with it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (5rpT/)

46 My mind is saying be calm, don't take things for granted, it's still close, no one ever runs the table completely. I keep repeating that to myself.

but my toes want to start dancing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (trdmm)

47 Come on, vote enough to stop the steal!

I really, really want some victory tits tonight!

Heck, some of the Ette's probably want that--it's a party time!

So don't blow it voters! Make Joe Biden stroke out in rage!

Posted by: GanGanowicz at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (Kbz60)

48 The moon looked pretty normal to me. Not orange or anything. Was it supposed to be something special ?

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (V13WU)

It was supposed to be red. I was too lazy to get out of our cozy bed pre-dawn to see it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (ptqGC)

49 FBI vs. School Board Parents

the power relationship may have just the fuck shifted.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (jhNEo)

50 Bourbon is holding... for now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (Q4IgG)

51 I've never heard Chris Hayes speak. I imagine he sounds like Droopy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (xPJvm)

52 Torrential rain in San Fernando valley, cold, windy.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 08, 2022 05:46 PM (T9Ppn)

Porn productions on hold?
Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (xPl2J)

Hardly!

(nips out to here from the cold)

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (ZSK0i)

53 Slices, doesn't it?

Posted by: Bruno Maglia at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (swBIN)

Cuts like a knife.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (yHsuS)

54 Willowed in case Meghan hangs out here :

Meghan McCain Weighs in On Kari Lake's Ongoing Attacks On Her Father:

-

You REALLY don't want to hear what I think of the traitorous bastard.

Oh, sorry. I forgot that he did something 50 years ago that every American male was expected to do.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (PVq+O)

55 32 Election disrupted in Illinois after voting machines allegedly hit with 'cyber-attack'

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (geLO

----
What are voting machines doing on the Internet?

Posted by: Ciampino --- Here there'd be squirrels at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (qfLjt)

56 Hayes is a shmendrik crossed with putz crossed with shmuck. A shmuckrutz if you will.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (IyrhE)

Jeez. Remember when the media traitors at least looked like grown men?

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (eoQWY)

57 Kari Lake used "come to Jesus" correctly! <3

Posted by: pookysgirl wishes she could do drinking games tonight at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (XKZwp)

58 I assume Biden wasn't actually trying to help get votes, but instead, trying to fundraise or some such. He had to get out and make some kind of campaign stops to avoid even more negative appearance.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (qWIl9)

59 None of the local news stations have said a thing about the election.

Strange, that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (ptqGC)

60 Porn productions on hold?
Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (xPl2J)

Hardly!

(nips out to here from the cold)

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (ZSK0i)

They can complete filming of Pornado.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (yHsuS)

61 Fuck Democracy. We're supposed to be a Republic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (XvPQV)

62
There are so many great memes on Twitter today.

Even my wife's Facebroke page was letting them through. Very surprising. Almost as if becoming suddenly unemployed, with a rich history of censoring, has an effect on the censors.

Posted by: Buick filled with ballots heading to Pennsylvania at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (y3pKJ)

63 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (C1Zwz)

64 I have not seen Kari wrong foot anything

Posted by: Blutarski at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (HLpc7)

65 Dave in Fla >>>>> Decision Desk

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (trdmm)

66 I voted a straight Republican ticket and no on all bond issues this morning. I doubt it will help in my location, but maybe.

Posted by: Beltway Elite at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (t/mkx)

67 >Was it supposed to be something special ?

Around 5am EST this morning. Blood moon.

Posted by: Fool Otto at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (DB16e)

68 "slices like a hammer" has a whole new meaning to me

Posted by: Paul Pelosi at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (jhNEo)

69 Is Biden done for the day/week?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (mnUzy)

70 Franken is worried that if the Republicans win, they're going to waste time with impeachment proceedings and investigating the president's family.

"I learned it from watching you!!!"

Posted by: Wally at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (FJYfm)

71 These voting memes kill me!

Posted by: Nicole Brown Simpson at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (qWIl9)

72 Need a meme of King Leonidis kicking the guy into the pit... saying...

THIS IS DEMOCRACY, you Democrat!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (oHd/0)

73 Around 5am EST this morning. Blood moon.
Posted by: Fool Otto at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM

Beautiful sight. Got to watch the whole eclipse.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (Wnv9h)

74 64 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (C1Zwz)

Bad form....

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (bs+z0)

75 That opening meme...

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (yZlY6)

76 I was up before dawn. Jane, the moon is a fraud! It was regular yellow !

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (V13WU)

77 Big news story on local TV (after the tropical storm heading this way):

"How rats are being used as bomb sniffers."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (ptqGC)

78 Heh. Just had a mental picture of Kari Lake coming for me with a huge purple strap on. What does it mean??? Heh.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (QSjkU)

79 Cuts like a knife.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon

And fits like a glove.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (ftFVW)

80
-1 for "incompetentcy". "Incompetence" will suffice.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (MoZTd)

81 The clerk's office of Champaign County, Illinois, is experiencing connectivity issues for its voting machines in what it is calling a "cyber-attack."

The Champaign County Clerk's Office announced Tuesday around midday that its systems were experiencing connectivity problems and poor server performance. The office stated it believed the issues are a result of distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks.

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (geLO8)

82 OJ killed democracy?

At least he killed something that does not exist in our Constitutional Republic.

He can play golf and not worry about a thing.

Posted by: Czech Chick at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (6Tc2R)

83 Porn productions on hold?
Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (xPl2J)

Hardly!

(nips out to here from the cold)

It'll make for some epic sandwiches.

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (OnoKI)

84 I've never heard Chris Hayes speak. I imagine he sounds like Droopy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon

Or Eeyore - "Lost my tail. . . . "

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (LsEU/)

85 The moon looked pretty normal to me. Not orange or anything. Was it supposed to be something special ?

-

We got a glimpse of it right before the full show started and it was indeed red. Very pretty and a perfectly clear night, and then at 515am the clouds covered everything.

Still neat to see a bit, though.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (PVq+O)

86 Mark Groubert predicting stolen elections everywhere there's a blue governor and mail-in ballots. Foreshadowing for 2024. Ugh!

Posted by: Prime Sister at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (tQL7r)

87 >>i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.

Doesn't even rise to drama. Trump being Trump.

Rinse, Repeat.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (swBIN)

88 So this is how democracy dies...

with a vote.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (ffUJI)

89 79 Big news story on local TV (after the tropical storm heading this way):

"How rats are being used as bomb sniffers."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (ptqGC)

Predicted to be low hurricane strength at some point before landfall
https://is.gd/SKraqb

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (ynpvh)

90 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (T4tVD)

91 32 Election disrupted in Illinois after voting machines allegedly hit with 'cyber-attack'

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (geLO
==================
Oops.

Posted by: Pritzger Software Hacking Inc. at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (jhNEo)

92 so liberal areas, zero problems

conservative areas, 20% of machines not working, long lines ... "put your ballot in box 3 so we can count it downtown later tonight (maybe, or amend it)."

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (Cus5s)

93 >71 Is Biden done for the day/week?

Biden wont be seen today. Per am radio station news

Posted by: Fool Otto at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (DB16e)

94 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (C1Zwz)

he is losing it

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (V13WU)

95 If Hobbs splits 50/50 with Lake in Maricopa County, Hobbs loses by a wide margin, because the rural vote will probably break 60/40 for Lake. At least.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (5pTK/)

96 76 64 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (C1Zwz)

Bad form....
Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2022 05:53 PM (bs+z0)

Agreed.

Posted by: Nova local at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (exHjb)

97 How did Vin Diesel become King Harv's heir?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (yQpMk)

98 exit polls are being reported on now, added to post

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (C1Zwz)

99 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.
Posted by: ace

+++
The quicker our side figures out Trump only cares about Trump, the better.

What a giant piece of shit.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (dpIbY)

100 Uh. I can't be the only one seeing a resemblance between Nicole Brown and Megan Kelly.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (6VKyY)

101 Heh. Just had a mental picture of Kari Lake coming for me with a huge purple strap on. What does it mean??? Heh.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

That dreams really do come true?

Just spitballing here.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (LsEU/)

102 Some of those "Me and democracy" memes are kind of funny, but this one just makes me sad. Nicole Brown Simpson didn't deserve to be killed and OJ likely just got away with it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (5rpT/)

Concur. And he definitely did it. But ultimate justice isn't ours.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (Ed8Zd)

103 The clerk's office of Champaign County, Illinois, is experiencing connectivity issues for its voting machines in what it is calling a "cyber-attack."

The Champaign County Clerk's Office announced Tuesday around midday that its systems were experiencing connectivity problems and poor server performance. The office stated it believed the issues are a result of distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks.
Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (geLO

Champaign is University of Illinois. probably blue on blue op.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (eoQWY)

104 90 So this is how democracy dies...

with a vote.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 08, 2022 05:54 PM (ffUJI)

Stuffed in it's mouth

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (ynpvh)

105 Still hoping the red wave is big enough besides Dr Oz, we gat Mastriano

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (xhxe8)

106 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (C1Zwz)
---
George McClellan was a spotless professional, erudite, cordial and widely admired.

U.S. Grant was a loser, drank too much and typically wore a private's uniform.

Who was the better general?

You want a fighter, you get a fighter's mouth.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (llXky)

107 83 The clerk's office of Champaign County, Illinois, is experiencing connectivity issues for its voting machines in what it is calling a "cyber-attack."

If they are connected to anything the individuals responsible should be executed with great malice.

It'd be no better - arguably worse - than voting from your phone.

Either they don't get it, or it is intentionally fraudulent.

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (OnoKI)

108 OJ likely just got away with it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Fen, a lot of times life just sucks. Black humor is the only thing left to mine.

Posted by: From about that time at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (4780s)

109 Arizona (Martcopa county) 30% of voting machines not working. Voters told to find another polling place. Some say when they go to different polling place they are told they have already voted mostly gop polling areas.

Posted by: jojo at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (l1+94)

110 None of the local news stations have said a thing about the election.

Strange, that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
-

You've noticed that too, eh?

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (PVq+O)

111 I voted a straight republican ticket except for one MAGA dude who made it through the primary for a county council seat.
ALL the judges were running unopposed, and I didn't vote for any of them.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (anj39)

112 I love Kari Lake so far

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (YglAn)

113 Biden's campaign stops hurt Democrats and helped Republicans

He was just here in the Chicago suburbs, so... *knocks on wood*.

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (kOpft)

114 PDT call I g for PROTEST! That's a first.. Trump is in NYC street fight mode...

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (RkeIs)

115 And he (OJ) killed the mother of his young kids. just awful.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (5rpT/)

116 "How rats are being used as bomb sniffers."

Best part, nobody cares if they find one and set it off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (Ivdso)

117 93 32 Election disrupted in Illinois after voting machines allegedly hit with 'cyber-attack'

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 05:50 PM (geLO
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Oops.

Posted by: Pritzger Software Hacking Inc. at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (jhNEo)

But they aren't supposed to be connected to the internet, are they?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (ynpvh)

118 Wow. Look at all the upset about muh Mean Tweets.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (swBIN)

119 That pic at the top is in poor taste.

She chose poorly.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (C1rbv)

120 107 Still hoping the red wave is big enough besides Dr Oz, we gat Mastriano
Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (xhxe

Hope all our PA Horde are doing their part to make that happen!

Posted by: Nova local at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (exHjb)

121 >>Doesn't even rise to drama. Trump being Trump.

>>Rinse, Repeat.

Maybe he'll find a moment to apologize with all the congratulations he will be receiving for completely remaking the Republican party into a party that actually listens to its base and has now taken the House and Senate will people who support our values.

If not I will try to carry on.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (ZLI7S)

122 So this is how democracy dies...

with a vote.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken

LOL

added it to post

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (C1Zwz)

123 Kari Lake / Tulsi Gabbard in '69!
A campaign we all want to see!

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (wmDcS)

124 Anthony Pedicini @anthonypedicini

Palm Beach County, FL performing just over D+5%... are we seeing a major shift in Florida's political geography?

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Is it certain all registered Dems are voting straight Dem this year? A small percentage of Dem defections due to the economy, immigration, baby formula, whatever, might crush Dems in all the close races nationwide.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (AMIL/)

125 The quicker our side figures out Trump only cares about Trump, the better.

What a giant piece of shit.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (dpIbY)
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Yeah, that's why he sacrificed his fortune and had gone through endless audits, even having his bedroom searched.

He's selfish.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (llXky)

126 George McClellan was a spotless professional, erudite, cordial and widely admired.

U.S. Grant was a loser, drank too much and typically wore a private's uniform.

Who was the better general?

You want a fighter, you get a fighter's mouth.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (llXky)

But Grant wasn't a good president...

Posted by: Nova local at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (exHjb)

127 That OJ meme:

If the vote totals don't fit
You must counterfeit!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (kXYt5)

128 What did Ron Goldman say to Nicole Simpson when they got to Heaven?

Here’s your fuckin sunglasses!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (u73oe)

129 Has anyone been on the receiving end of Ron Klain's "final warning" yet?
What is he going to do, pull over the station wagon and make us walk home?

Posted by: gourmand du jour, waits and drinks at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (jTmQV)

130 OJ likely just got away with it.

Kinda. He's not in prison but he was sued for a kabillion dollars and he no longer has any acting or advertising gigs. He's probably not exactly welcome at parties any more either. He didn't pay a criminal price but it has ruined him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (Ivdso)

131 110 OJ likely just got away with it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Fen, a lot of times life just sucks. Black humor is the only thing left to mine.

Posted by: From about that time at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (4780s)

Are you talking about Trudeau in blackface again?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (ynpvh)

132 >>>120 Wow. Look at all the upset about muh Mean Tweets.

I just don't want to hear about attacks on "Mr. Trump" and "attacking Mr. Trump just like the liberal media" when DeSantis fires back.

Fuck around and find out.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (C1Zwz)

133 55 Willowed in case Meghan hangs out here :

Meghan McCain Weighs in On Kari Lake's Ongoing Attacks On Her Father:

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You REALLY don't want to hear what I think of the traitorous bastard.

Oh, sorry. I forgot that he did something 50 years ago that every American male was expected to do.
Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (PVq+O)

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Tape propaganda radio broadcasts for the North Vietnamese?

Posted by: Interesting Times at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (ieN7O)

134 Posted by: From about that time at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (4780s)

That's fine. I'm not blaming people who thought it was funny. Humor is important It just makes me sad and angry that he got away with it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (5rpT/)

135 If Joe Biden really got 81 million votes, the Democrats wouldn't have anything to worry about today.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (5EnGD)

136 On the news right now on big 3

Holiday shipping rates
Induction range advantages
Mortgages

Nothing happening today, I guess.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (PVq+O)

137 who is that fat guy in the CNN Exit Poll video?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (mnUzy)

138 Yeah, that's why he sacrificed his fortune and had gone through endless audits, even having his bedroom searched.

He's selfish.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed

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Trump wanting to be the most powerful man on Earth was a total selfless act. Sure, let's go with that.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (dpIbY)

139 118 "How rats are being used as bomb sniffers."

Best part, nobody cares if they find one and set it off.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (Ivdso)

True, but who wants to put time and effort into training an animal with a 2 year life expectancy? And that's without getting blown up.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (QSjkU)

140 That's fine. I'm not blaming people who thought it was funny. Humor is important It just makes me sad and angry that he got away with it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (5rpT/)
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The meme proves that he didn't, though.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (llXky)

141 Someone needs to redo the boyfriend turning his head meme.

America plays the boyfriend. Trump is the shocked girlfriend.

DeSantis is the hot girl America turned its head for.

Somebody is Gin Blossom.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (6VKyY)

142 I know we've had the occasional difference, Mr. O'Spades, but I did appreciate the comparison you made between Mr. Hayes and myself.

I also appreciate you posting my new headshot at the end of your post. Thank you!

Posted by: Brian Stelter at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (a3Q+t)

143 Is there a formal snowbird arrival date in Florida?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (IyrhE)

144 I assume Biden wasn't actually trying to help get votes, but instead, trying to fundraise or some such. He had to get out and make some kind of campaign stops to avoid even more negative appearance.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (qWIl9)

They sent him to safe blue areas because as leader of his party he can't be seen hiding in the WH. I would imagine that his staff, who actually run the show, are increasingly isolated as the party becomes frustrated with the former's inability to gain control of the narrative. There's going to be a lot of calls for a housecleaning. Sending Joe out there was an attempt to appease those detractors.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (wmDcS)

145 >>>Meghan McCain Weighs in On Kari Lake's Ongoing Attacks On Her Father:

phrasing

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (C1Zwz)

146 I want a pin to wear the next time around my in-laws and sister:

"I murdered your democracy"
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (ptqGC)

nice.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (Ed8Zd)

147 What a giant piece of shit.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 05:55 PM (dpIbY)
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Trolls aren't usually so self-referential. Saves us some time, though.

Posted by: Pritzger Software Hacking Inc. at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (jhNEo)

148 "How rats are being used as bomb sniffers."

Best part, nobody cares if they find one and set it off.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I think I might care, depending on how close the bomb was to me when they found it.

Posted by: mikeski at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (P1f+c)

149 Trump wanting to be the most powerful man on Earth was a total selfless act. Sure, let's go with that.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (dpIbY)
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Oh, I get it. Bye, troll.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (llXky)

150 Karen spotting!

Rep. Ashley Aune@Ashley4MO
Just voted!
The poll worker who took my ID was wearing elephant earrings, so I called my local election board.
I need y’all to know that’s not okay and as a voter, you have every right to call it out.
MO voters: If you have an issue at the polls today, call 314.499.2939

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (FVME7)

151
George McClellan was a spotless professional, erudite, cordial and widely admired.

U.S. Grant was a loser, drank too much and typically wore a private's uniform.

"This Grant fellow is just a drunken mule-skinner who loses too many men. We need someone who respects the norms of military science. Like George McClellan." - GOP, 1864

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (MoZTd)

152 What is he going to do, pull over the station wagon and make us walk home?
Posted by: gourmand du jour, waits and drinks at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (jTmQV)

He's going to hold his breath until he turns blue.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (trdmm)

153 Willowed:

Currently drinking Tullamore Dew and club soda.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (bW8dp)
***

A bottle on my shelf taunts me...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (anj39)

154 I can't wait to see DeSantis man handle Trump in a debate. So much low hanging fruit.

"Why'd did you never fire Fauci?" would be a good opener.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (dpIbY)

155 >>> 143 Someone needs to redo the boyfriend turning his head meme.

America plays the boyfriend. Trump is the shocked girlfriend.

DeSantis is the hot girl America turned its head for.

Somebody is Gin Blossom.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (6VKyY)

I don't know... let's see what happens if Kari Lake overcomes the commie fraud in AZ. I do think she's at the top of their Bad List.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (llON8)

156 Meghan McCain Weighs in On Kari Lake's Ongoing Attacks On Her Father:

phrasing

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (C1Zwz)
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I'm sure she'll tip the scale. Over.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (llXky)

157 What is with that man's chin and jawline? It looks...painful!

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (Ed8Zd)

158 The quicker our side figures out Trump only cares about Trump, the better.

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(looks at 410k)

Sounds good.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (PVq+O)

159 Lake is out there saying she's going to clean up the elections in Arizona the way Florida did after 2000 (essentially turning the state Red for good).

They can't let her win. They need Arizona. Same with Wisconsin, though the GOP over there is less feiry about fixing election fraud. If they do, there's another 10 electoral votes the Dems lose.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (5c9ye)

160 Is it certain all registered Dems are voting straight Dem this year? A small percentage of Dem defections due to the economy, immigration, baby formula, whatever, might crush Dems in all the close races nationwide.
Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (AMIL/)

No it isn't. I think the correlation between "Registered Dem" and voting dem is about 85 percent usually. This election, it is likely far worse than that average, as many traditional Dems are likely discouraged, angry and voting against, or dead like usual.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (eoQWY)

161 I see the concerned Trump trolls are out in force. Gonna be along two years until election 2024.

Posted by: Ann at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (rBu2O)

162 Re Trump and DeSantis feud - maybe it's good for them to duke it out for 2024; may the best man win and all that.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (mnUzy)

163 got away with it.

His NFL pension untouchable, not one cent paid to Mr. Goldman.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (T9Ppn)

164 Heading to a movie. Be back about 10 to catch the latest and hopefully celebrate.

Down with Democracy and concern trolls.

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (b97oG)

165 Currently drinking Tullamore Dew and club soda.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 08, 2022 05:51 PM (bW8dp)
***

A bottle on my shelf taunts me...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:00 PM (anj39)
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Wild Turkey 101, my trusty standby.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (llXky)

166 DeSantis is a smart guy. He will figure out to handle Trump.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (V13WU)

167 Off, sock

Posted by: Dr. T at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (b97oG)

168 Currently drinking Tullamore Dew and club soda.

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My brother.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (PVq+O)

169

What TV network are we going to background watch while drunk blogging tonight?

Posted by: Teri Garr's Excellent Breasticles at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (2soUa)

170 so this is what the trolls are down to? Nothing to say about TODAY'S ELECTION, eh??

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (trdmm)

171 "Beautiful sight. Got to watch the whole eclipse."

full eclipse was neat, but best part is watching the sunshine creep across ... while trying to comprehend the positioning of earth moon sun, and that whole rotation/orbit thang. Was just getting light here as the moon was setting in the west still partly in eclipse.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (Cus5s)

172 >>I just don't want to hear about attacks on "Mr. Trump" and "attacking Mr. Trump just like the liberal media" when DeSantis fires back.

You are going to hear it.
The same way it is baked in the cake that people will piss and moan about Trump not following Reagan's Rules.

Desantis shows promise.
But, Trump has a proven track record of improving American lives and livelihood.
I'll overlook his vanity for another 4 years of enjoying life.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (swBIN)

173 >>>Meghan McCain Weighs in On Kari Lake's Ongoing Attacks On Her Father:

phrasing
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (C1Zwz)
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Yeah, should have worked "gravitas" into that statement.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (5pTK/)

174 Getting rid of Madeline Dean is asking too much

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (xhxe8)

175 Jeebus the idiocy here is deeper than usual.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (OTzUX)

176 Meghan McCain Weighs in On Kari Lake's Ongoing Attacks On Her Father:

phrasing

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (C1Zwz)

That was cruel, Ace. Her father's funeral is on-going and she's preggers with baby girl #2. Pray for Ben.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (ptqGC)

177 Kari Lake / Tulsi Gabbard in '69!
A campaign we all want to see!
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (wmDcS)

69 is a real interesting number...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (anj39)

178 164 Re Trump and DeSantis feud - maybe it's good for them to duke it out for 2024; may the best man win and all that.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (mnUzy)

Maybe, but that was a petty personal attack dragging in DeSantis wife

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (bs+z0)

179 Dave in Fla >>>>> Decision Desk

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (trdmm)

DD is run by a couple of ex-moron putzes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (JOtiF)

180 108 i have it confirmed by someone present that trump did say that. the interview was supposed to be embargoed until after the election. but yeah, trump is, as expected, Mr. High Road.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:52 PM (C1Zwz)
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George McClellan was a spotless professional, erudite, cordial and widely admired.

U.S. Grant was a loser, drank too much and typically wore a private's uniform.

Who was the better general?

You want a fighter, you get a fighter's mouth.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (llXky)

Nicely put...

For those whose underwear is too tight, lighten up...it's politics.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (CCSxw)

181 Oh my, the TDS trolls have descended. Let's try to stay on topic.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (Ed8Zd)

182 George McClellan was a spotless professional, erudite, cordial and widely admired.

U.S. Grant was a loser, drank too much and typically wore a private's uniform.

Who was the better general?

McClellan was an incredible organizer, no one did logistics better than he did. And he played the political aisles pretty well. But he would not fight.

Grant did the logistics, the politics, just well enough, and he fought. He was sometimes deficient in canning failed underlings (Burnside et al)...

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (OnoKI)

183 How can it be 45% approve of Biden but 73% dissatisfied with the way things are going? Democrats are some very strange beasts indeed.

Posted by: james at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (mfQ8z)

184 "Democrats will fit right in planting rice in North Korea, assembling wheelbarrows in China, washing windshields in Caracas and sweeping streets in Havana. "

You forgot dying of starvation in Ukraine.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (C1rbv)

185 >>>Oh, I get it. Bye, troll.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

it's not trolling. It's preposterous the absurd levels of virtue some of you ascribe to trump.

You just pretend he's not doing this out of ego -- no, it's all to Save The People. I mean, gimme a break.

By the way, he didn't spend his fortune. He was actually very cheap. He refused to spend money for a proper election challenge in Nevada in 2020, for example, and just let the RNC spend $40,000 or whatever on a recount. The cost for a challenge he was quoted was around $2 million, IIRC, and he didn't want to pay it, so the cheap option it was.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (C1Zwz)

186 Lake is out there saying she's going to clean up the elections in Arizona the way Florida did after 2000 (essentially turning the state Red for good).

They can't let her win. They need Arizona. Same with Wisconsin, though the GOP over there is less feiry about fixing election fraud. If they do, there's another 10 electoral votes the Dems lose.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (5c9ye)
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It's worse than that: she going to declare an invasion, which requires the federal government to assist her in repelling it. While it dithers, she will have the authority to mobilize troops, seal the border and detain everyone in her state illegally.

That's why they want her gone.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (llXky)

187 Local news: Tropical Storm Nicole is coming.

Elections? Nada.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (ptqGC)

188 And....like clockwork, Brett Fucking Baier is warning viewers about the Red Mirage. We won't know until much later...etc etc. Just like the ABC propaganda parrots

Posted by: Uncle Festerman's Reverse Goiter at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (Tc2CN)

189 OMG! Trump does mean tweets!

Burn him!

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (BdMk6)

190 McClellan was an incredible organizer, no one did logistics better than he did. And he played the political aisles pretty well. But he would not fight.

Grant did the logistics, the politics, just well enough, and he fought. He was sometimes deficient in canning failed underlings (Burnside et al)...
Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (OnoKI)

Would Grant have been as successful without the Army built by McClellan? You need both types of men in an organization, each playing to his strengths.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (wmDcS)

191 108
You want a fighter, you get a fighter's mouth.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM

And if you want a politician, you need a whore's mouth!

Posted by: Kamala Harris at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (qWIl9)

192 Who is that paired with Chris Hayes?

Hunk Squarejaw?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (kXYt5)

193 69 is a real interesting number...
Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM

Dude!

Posted by: Bill & Ted at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (Wnv9h)

194 Desantis shows promise.
But, Trump has a proven track record of improving American lives and livelihood.
I'll overlook his vanity for another 4 years of enjoying life.

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Yep. Plus DeSantis needs to be vp to get up to speed before DC does to him what they did to Trump.

And DeSantis isn't independently wealthy enough to endure it.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (PVq+O)

195 Champaign County -- as a matter of pride, my alma mater was the university that produced the HAL 9000. So the tubes have truly become self aware.

Daisy, daiseeeeeee.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (nDrPh)

196 I think the trigger on this new PSA Dagger grip module might be even better than my first one. Hmm.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (XvPQV)

197 Took their bubble gum and kicked their asses. Dems are fucked.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (j9WVp)

198 so this is what the trolls are down to? Nothing to say about TODAY'S ELECTION, eh??
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (trdmm)

And that's the way to view it. Thanks.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (Ed8Zd)

199
At a time I could least afford it I sent a considerable sum to Ron Goldman's dad (Fred?) so he could get that summabitch found guilty by a normal jury.

Posted by: Buick filled with ballots heading to Pennsylvania at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (y3pKJ)

200 Is this the first GigaChad on ace?

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (MLrvz)

201 >>>Oh my, the TDS trolls have descended.

it's not TDS, but if you're going to say preposterous things, people are going to call bullshit. I don't want to get into this spat but I'm not going to accept that Trump is Practically a Saint and I'm not going to accept it's "trolling" to point out that no, he's not.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (C1Zwz)

202 As I recall, Palm County has a lot of retirees from the northeast. This made it a dem stronghold. Those retirees saw their portfolios take a beating the last two years. Going broke opens eyes.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (u73oe)

203 Watching Judy Woodruf on PBS. Good lawd she is old.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (C1rbv)

204

BREAKING!!!

Mega Ultra-MAGA Kari Lake Threatens to Kill Election Workers

Candidate says election employees will "come to Jesus"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (xLqhd)

205 Jeebus the idiocy here is deeper than usual

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(runs away crying)

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (PVq+O)

206 If there was a heavy Dem turnout in Chatham County/Savannah, GA, the local "news" stations would be all over it.

I've never seen anything like this silence (so far) on elections.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (ptqGC)

207 They hate me, they really hate me. Get me an ice cream cone...
Joe Biden

Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (yezA1)

208 Some other Moron said earlier that it might be a good thing if we have *actual* debates between the R candidates in 2024 (assuming there aren't more "interesting" events in progress), as opposed to OrangeMandBad vs mostly uniparty frauds.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (llON8)

209 >159 What is with that man's chin and jawline?

I think that's Chad meme. The alternative to the soy cucks.

Posted by: Fool Otto at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (DB16e)

210
Yep. Plus DeSantis needs to be vp to get up to speed before DC does to him what they did to Trump.

And DeSantis isn't independently wealthy enough to endure it.
Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (PVq+O)

No, but Youngkin is...and he has perfected a "woman attracting" demeanor and won in a tough state...

Just sayin...

Posted by: Nova local at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (exHjb)

211 This got Willard:

681 Cao is going to win VA 10.

Vega is my high water mark I think she will win.

If Breyer or Connolly or Luria (all Dems) lose then that represents a HUGE wipeout for Dems.
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 05:47 PM (pwExq)

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (pwExq)

212 Fox News IIRC: "Remember votes will be coming in for days after the election so tonight will not be indicative of the final results."

In other words, TX and FL to close to call.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (CecP5)

213 Would Grant have been as successful without the Army built by McClellan? You need both types of men in an organization, each playing to his strengths.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (wmDcS)

The answer to that question can be found studying the Western campaigns of Grant. In fact, if Grant could have brought his army East (which was impossible) he would have had more success and less slaughter of his own side.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (XvPQV)

214 BREAKING!!!

Mega Ultra-MAGA Kari Lake Threatens to Kill Election Workers

Candidate says election employees will "come to Jesus"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM

*golf clap*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (Wnv9h)

215 Who is that paired with Chris Hayes?

Hunk Squarejaw?
Posted by: Muldoon

Duke Nukem with darker hair?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (LsEU/)

216 I don't want DeSantis or Trump.

I want Lake/Dixon.

And I want to imagine a steamy shower scene in the Whitehouse after a heated debate on pipeline construction.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (6VKyY)

217 194 Who is that paired with Chris Hayes?

Hunk Squarejaw?
Posted by: Muldoon at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (kXYt5)

Cliff Beefpile
Chunk Manmusk or

Drake Tungsten

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (PiwSw)

218
Would Grant have been as successful without the Army built by McClellan? You need both types of men in an organization, each playing to his strengths.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (wmDcS)

I should think Grant pretty well proved himself out west. Pope, Burnside and Hooker did nothing with the army built by McClellan.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (MoZTd)

219 206 BREAKING!!!

Mega Ultra-MAGA Kari Lake Threatens to Kill Election Workers

Candidate says election employees will "come to Jesus"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (xLqhd)

Muslims, Atheists, and Dems mostly affected.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (ynpvh)

220 I hate being Debbie Downer but how can anyone on the right be celebrating tonight, when we know exactly what's going to happen beginning Wednesday morning? The fix is in like 2020 and it's only a matter of time until the 'unexpected' 100% D ballot dumps appear.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (hHtIc)

221 Trump ain't no Saint. But I cannot spare the man. He fights.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (C1rbv)

222 The mid-term election isn't even over and people are wanting to start fighting about 2024.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (yQpMk)

223 We need to get ace on Friday Night Tights

Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (yezA1)

224 It's worse than that: she going to declare an invasion, which requires the federal government to assist her in repelling it. While it dithers, she will have the authority to mobilize troops, seal the border and detain everyone in her state illegally.

That's why they want her gone.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (llXky)
***

I need to slow down on the booze...I am becoming...excited...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (anj39)

225 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 05:57 PM (wmDcS)

hnnnngg

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (YglAn)

226 >>> 206

BREAKING!!!

Mega Ultra-MAGA Kari Lake Threatens to Kill Election Workers

Candidate says election employees will "come to Jesus"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (xLqhd)

Has she suddenly become 50 feet tall and is now rampaging across the Valley of the Sun?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (llON8)

227 >>>Wild Turkey 101, my trusty standby.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (llXky)

======

My go to as well. However, I’m out at the moment, so it's Rebel 100 for tonight.

Posted by: Turn two at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (JfxgE)

228 >>it's not TDS, but if you're going to say preposterous things, people are going to call bullshit. I don't want to get into this spat but I'm not going to accept that Trump is Practically a Saint and I'm not going to accept it's "trolling" to point out that no, he's not.

You are being hysterical.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (swBIN)

229 How did Guam get their votes counted, other side of dateline or all 100 people voted already?

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (xhxe8)

230 >>>223 Trump ain't no Saint. But I cannot spare the man. He fights.

So does DeSantis and it's not 24/7 All About DeSantis

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (C1Zwz)

231
it's not trolling. It's preposterous the absurd levels of virtue some of you ascribe to trump.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (C1Zwz)
---
The only virtue I ascribe to him is fighting back, which NO ONE did. Not a one.

I don't think he's a saint, but he did actually bring Middle East peace, the bastard.

He also didn't start any new wars, both of which would have won him beltway love and you know it.

Yeah, he's got a raging ego. It's a job requirement.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (llXky)

232 77% disapprove?

that's ... thinking of a Ralph Wiggumism

I did a Biden in my pants

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (MLrvz)

233 ace, the RNC raised 100 million to fight those legal battles and spent zip nada.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (j9WVp)

234 Porn productions on hold?
Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 05:48 PM (xPl2J)

Another industry that left California for Florida.

Posted by: Supreme Gentleman at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (aeOxc)

235 I can't believe 30% of our country is stupid enough to want Biden to run again.

Posted by: bluebell at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (sT13O)

236 LOL. Nancy Pelosi is on PBS.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (C1rbv)

237 @174 Garrett-Fuck Reagans 11th Commandment. Said it yesterday, I am A Reagan Conservative but some shit I didn't like, same as Trump. I don't want pussy ass polite speak, fuck that I want a g-damn brawl on the f'ing stage and swearing. People don't like that? Go read the shit they said about each other after the founding and the politicking kicked in. To boot those guys were religious AF. WE are so pussified its f'ing embarrassing. Maybe the country doesn't deserve to survive this.

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (0jZnq)

238 How can it be 45% approve of Biden but 73% dissatisfied with the way things are going? Democrats are some very strange beasts indeed.
Posted by: james

Simple math: Democrat approval of Trump is -28%.

Posted by: mikeski at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (P1f+c)

239 >>Wild Turkey 101, my trusty standby.

I can see that. I have to step careful around the Rare Bird...but the 101 is good stuff.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (swBIN)

240 How did Guam get their votes counted, other side of dateline or all 100 people voted already?

-

All them computers.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (PVq+O)

241 203 >>>Oh my, the TDS trolls have descended.

it's not TDS, but if you're going to say preposterous things, people are going to call bullshit. I don't want to get into this spat but I'm not going to accept that Trump is Practically a Saint and I'm not going to accept it's "trolling" to point out that no, he's not.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (C1Zwz

Bingo. This whole thing rings familiar.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (6VKyY)

242 Saw on CNBC yesterday that the jagoff putz sheriff of Maricopa Co was warning election denier, disruptors, and misinformation jockeys that they'd be held accountable for any rough stuff in his county. So they're prepping the battlefield.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (nDrPh)

243 81 Cao is going to win VA 10.

Vega is my high water mark I think she will win.

If Breyer or Connolly or Luria (all Dems) lose then that represents a HUGE wipeout for Dems.
Posted by: blaster
++
Is there some "tea leaf" that has revealed itself to make the Cao call?

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (dpIbY)

244 holy fuck, trump is fine whatever. I'm getting ready to dip my balls in keto-friendly cake frosting here. Live in the moment.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (MLrvz)

245 >>it's not TDS, but if you're going to say preposterous things, people are going to call bullshit. I don't want to get into this spat but I'm not going to accept that Trump is Practically a Saint and I'm not going to accept it's "trolling" to point out that no, he's not.

You are being hysterical.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (swBIN)

Now, now. He's not going to date you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (ptqGC)

246 DeSantis is a smart guy. He will figure out to handle Trump.
Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:01 PM (V13WU)

Or he'll follow jeb (please clap) into obscurity after his second term as gub'nor.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (1DgE4)

247 DeSantis and Trump should never be rivals, never. They agree too much on what needs to be done and how the nation should be handled. They should be allies who fight side by side. I understand that there's not much room for any ego when Trump walks in but he needs to be able to recognize a fellow warrior when he sees one.

And DeSantis needs to see a trap when he sees the GOPe trying to coopt him, as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (Ivdso)

248 Mark Groubert on The Steal

https://tinyurl.com/2s4c2kmm

He says (and Robert Barnes agrees) that the pickup in the house will be about 50 seats BUT he thinks up to 8 senate races will be stolen. He also has a simple, non-partisan, solution.

First 15 minutes of a one hour live stream that is still going.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (6vA7M)

249 For those who forget - DeSantis already served in Washington. He was a Representative. He's been a target and he's been tested.

I think there will be a Trump v DeSantis battle. May the best man win, I say.

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (pwExq)

250 I learned my lesson in 2020.

Tonight, vote counting will stop from 11 pm EST to 3 am EST, in all 50 states, and in the morning we will discover that, miraculously, the DemonRats have held on to the Senate and House.

And not a damned thing will be done about it.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (FGctj)

251 >>>ace, the RNC raised 100 million to fight those legal battles and spent zip nada.

i'm telling you what i was told by a someone contacted to work on the challenge told me.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (C1Zwz)

252 Calm down. You're being hysterical.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (C1rbv)

253 234 77% disapprove?

that's ... thinking of a Ralph Wiggumism

I did a Biden in my pants

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (MLrvz)

Not sure how you sniff a girls hair in there...

Posted by: Sniffy Joe at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (ynpvh)

254 And I want to imagine a steamy shower scene in the Whitehouse after a heated debate on pipeline construction.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (6VKyY)

With strategics parts of that pipeline model...

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (ufFY8)

255 Maybe this is why they put Biden to bed so early. They don’t want him watching the numbers or how much he is hated. I truly believe the handlers lie to him, tell him he is doing amazing and he is the most loved president ever. Right before pudding time.

In other auspicious news, my French bread came out perfectly, the stock I made with my left over chicken is turning into chicken and wild rice soup as you read this and it smells great. Go Red Wave!

Posted by: Piper at November 08, 2022 06:08 PM (ZdaMQ)

256 Local news: Tropical Storm Nicole is coming.

Elections? Nada.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

45 MPH winds.....devestating.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (r1z5A)

257 238 LOL. Nancy Pelosi is on PBS.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (C1rbv)

PBS is to news what tits are to board hogs

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (ynpvh)

258 it's not TDS, but if you're going to say preposterous things, people are going to call bullshit. I don't want to get into this spat but I'm not going to accept that Trump is Practically a Saint and I'm not going to accept it's "trolling" to point out that no, he's not.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (C1Zwz)

But DeSantis cozying up to the GOPe is ok?

I like DeSantis. Heck, I voted for him today. I just do not want him to run for President the day after he wins re-election.

And Trump’s monikers stick. That is why I held my nose and voted for Little Marco today.

Posted by: Ann at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (rBu2O)

259 McClellan was an incredible organizer, no one did logistics better than he did. And he played the political aisles pretty well. But he would not fight.

Grant did the logistics, the politics, just well enough, and he fought. He was sometimes deficient in canning failed underlings (Burnside et al)...
Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (OnoKI)

Grant did ok with political generals overall. He even got the warring Logans and Blairs to work together but turned into decent generals too. He got McClernand fired when he could, same with Burnside, Sigel, and even untouchable Ben Butler.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (eoQWY)

260 boar

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (ynpvh)

261 LOL. Nancy Pelosi is on PBS.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (C1rbv)

Dear Lord. I must be having a stroke. I read that as Nancy is having PMS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (ptqGC)

262 McClellan was an incredible organizer, no one did logistics better than he did. And he played the political aisles pretty well. But he would not fight.

Grant did the logistics, the politics, just well enough, and he fought. He was sometimes deficient in canning failed underlings (Burnside et al)...
Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (OnoKI)

My father, who was quite an accomplished Civil War historian, had an interesting take on McClellan. His opinion was that McClellan loved the Army too much, to the point that he could not bear to risk it or take casualties. He explained that this was why McClellan was far too cautious when put on the offense, always finding a reason to delay and retreating at the first sign of any setback. On the other hand, for this same reason McClellan was absolutely brilliant on Defense, when he had to protect the Army he loved so much. His tactical victory over Lee in the 7 Days Battle is an example.

So, 1/2 of a good General - Brilliant on Defense, but incapable of any effective Offense.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (trdmm)

263 Joseph Stalin was running %30 would vote for him

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (xhxe8)

264 Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 05:59 PM (dpIbY

Care to name any politician who's entirely selfless? The crew on your side? Biden? Obama? The Clintons?

Thanks for the laugh?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (5rpT/)

265
The answer to that question can be found studying the Western campaigns of Grant. In fact, if Grant could have brought his army East (which was impossible) he would have had more success and less slaughter of his own side.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:05 PM (XvPQV)
---
Actually, Grant trashed McClellan's army organization, which was top-heavy and unresponsive. Instead of six or seven corps, he cut it into three, beefed up the divisions and made a far more responsive fighting force.

Remember that Meade was congratulated for being the first Army of the Potomac general to engage *all* his troops at Gettysburg.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (llXky)

266 I can't believe 30% of our country is stupid enough to want Biden to run again.
Posted by: bluebell

If the results of this election hold, I'll want him to run again. It'll be fun to see an 80R/20D landslide in a presidential race.

Well, maybe 80R/60D after the cheat.

Posted by: mikeski at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (P1f+c)

267 Do we REALLY have to do a Trump vs DeSantis thing today? During....(checks woke calendar)...Indigenous People's Month????

Fine. Both men have good points and bad points, both are good conservatives who have gotten shit done, and I'll be happy with either of them.

If you're trying to stir the shit past those points, fuck that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (XvPQV)

268 Chris Hayes looks like the love child of Captain Binghamton and Miss Jane for all you 29 year olds.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (n2xrq)

269 I wonder though, if today really turns out bad for the Demoncrats, will Gavin Newsom start his 2024 campaign tomorrow?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (mnUzy)

270 There's a certain ceiling of (mostly) reliable GOP voters who STILL, even after everything we've seen, will NOT pull the lever for Donald Trump on personality issues alone (like my elderly parents). It's an uncrackable ceiling (I've tried). But they'll vote for DeSantis.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (3AR13)

271 I just don't want to hear about attacks on "Mr. Trump" and "attacking Mr. Trump just like the liberal media" when DeSantis fires back.

Fuck around and find out.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (C1Zwz)

Exactly. Trump is now fair game for the DeSantis hunting party.

Minimum caliber? The Iowa's 16" guns. Go big or go home.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (JOtiF)

272 256 And I want to imagine a steamy shower scene in the Whitehouse after a heated debate on pipeline construction.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (6VKyY)

Umm I think I missed something here.

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (pwExq)

273 Jeebus. Local news just now. "We hope to have election news for you tonight on our 11 pm broadcast."

SERIOUSLY?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (ptqGC)

274 Is there some "tea leaf" that has revealed itself to make the Cao call?
Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM

You didn't hear the Cao bell?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (Wnv9h)

275
My father, who was quite an accomplished Civil War historian, had an interesting take on McClellan. His opinion was that McClellan loved the Army too much, to the point that he could not bear to risk it or take casualties. He explained that this was why McClellan was far too cautious when put on the offense, always finding a reason to delay and retreating at the first sign of any setback. On the other hand, for this same reason McClellan was absolutely brilliant on Defense, when he had to protect the Army he loved so much. His tactical victory over Lee in the 7 Days Battle is an example.

So, 1/2 of a good General - Brilliant on Defense, but incapable of any effective Offense.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (trdmm)

There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (eYoxG)

276
BREAKING!!!

Mega Ultra-MAGA Kari Lake Threatens to Kill Election Workers

Candidate says election employees will "come to Jesus"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

She's just talking about the guy who rakes the leaves.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 08, 2022 06:10 PM (63Dwl)

277 i bet the 30 percent who want to see biden run again are all republicans

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (kFrCu)

278 it's not TDS, but if you're going to say preposterous things, people are going to call bullshit. I don't want to get into this spat but I'm not going to accept that Trump is Practically a Saint and I'm not going to accept it's "trolling" to point out that no, he's not.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:04 PM (C1Zwz)

Of course YOU are not a troll! But no one here says that Trump is 'practically a saint.' He's rough and uncouth sometimes but there's no denying that he saved our country and is trying to do it again. That we have two strong candidates on our side is amazing but tonight I'm not going to worry about them duking eventually. (I also think that Trump has earned my trust - if he raises issues, there's usually a reason, but we'll see). Tonight Id prefer to celebrate our upcoming victories together, as a true family of morons.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (Ed8Zd)

279 Are you talking about Trudeau in blackface again?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

No, that was the only thing left to mime.

Posted by: From about that time at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (4780s)

280 it's not trolling. It's preposterous the absurd levels of virtue some of you ascribe to trump.

I think that's absurd. Trump supporters acknowledge that Trump isn't perfect and his ego is ginnormous. We just appreciate what he has accomplished in DC and what he is accomplishing tonight which many who don't support him refuse to even acknowledge. The most exciting candidates who look to be winning tonight are all MAGA candidates that Trump has spent the last couple years working to get elected. Nobody, not even DeSantis has done what Trump has done to make tonight happen.

DeSantis has done a great job in FL with a Republican legislature. And he owes his office largely to Trump's support. That's just a fact. If he runs and wins I will enthusiastically support him.

DeSantis supporters play this coy game of not admitting their criticism of Trump is mostly just support of DeSantis instead of Trump. Kind of preposterous the level of virtue some ascribe to DeSantis as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (ZLI7S)

281 Actually, Grant trashed McClellan's army organization, which was top-heavy and unresponsive. Instead of six or seven corps, he cut it into three, beefed up the divisions and made a far more responsive fighting force.

Remember that Meade was congratulated for being the first Army of the Potomac general to engage *all* his troops at Gettysburg.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (llXky)

I'll have to dig into my books to see if it was Grant or Meade who did the re-org. I don't recall....eh, its about time for the Shelby Foote re-read anyway. Good excuse to start.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (XvPQV)

282 258 Local news: Tropical Storm Nicole is coming.

Elections? Nada.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

45 MPH winds.....devestating.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (r1z5A)

Will be a hurricane when it hits Florida

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (ynpvh)

283 >>So does DeSantis and it's not 24/7 All About DeSantis

Desantis isn't all tits and ice cream.
He still hasn't come out and denounced his position re. Red Flag Laws as far as I know.
He has absolutely Zero Forign Policy experience or stance on the record.

He's an amazeballs Governor for Florida and hopefully he will turn into an equally amazing National Pol.

But. He's going to have to take some blows from both sides before he even gets that chance.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (swBIN)

284 So does DeSantis and it's not 24/7 All About DeSantis
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (C1Zwz)

Respectfully,

that's naïve boss, all politicians are all about themselves.

#natureofthebeast

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (CCSxw)

285 Blind love is so touching. Trump can do no wrong ! He saved America! No, he made Joe Biden happen by hiring a pothead to run his 2020 campaign, by having no plan, and being an ass to such an extent that no credible person wanted to work for him or with him. Only some loons. And yet, somehow he is a blessing ? As soon as he was gone , all his "accomplishments" evaporated. And yet we still have Obamacare. See how its done ? Legislation. Make it stick. Can't do it - your time in office is null.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (V13WU)

286 Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (MLrvz)

keto cake frosting?

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (YglAn)

287 8 senate seats stolen?

gonna need a lot ballots with a 77% pissed off voter rate

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (MLrvz)

288 I want Biden to run and I want Hillary to run. That's entertainment you can't put a price tag on.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (PiwSw)

289 One of the problems with online discussions is that people OVERSTATE things with brutal excessively loud anger in order to try to end run around objections, I suppose or cow opponents into submission.

its one thing to say "I believe this is true base on this evidence" and another to scream in all caps "THIS IS TRUTH AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES SHOULD BE PUT TO THE PEAR OF ANGUISH!!!"

Things do not always (or even often) need to be stated in absolute, excessive terms.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (Ivdso)

290 Any jumping out of windows yet?

I know they won't flee to Canada and Mexico is right out because these 'elites' don't want to learn Spanish or get kidnapped.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (Ouyuk)

291 192 McClellan was an incredible organizer, no one did logistics better than he did. And he played the political aisles pretty well. But he would not fight.

Grant did the logistics, the politics, just well enough, and he fought. He was sometimes deficient in canning failed underlings (Burnside et al)...
Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (OnoKI)

Would Grant have been as successful without the Army built by McClellan? You need both types of men in an organization, each playing to his strengths.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (wmDcS)

Grant was pretty darned successful out west for a few years, where McClellan never directly organized anything.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (AMIL/)

292 trump can do wrong, trump can get bamboozled, trump doesn't always do the deal in the manner of one skilled in the art.

so what?

enjoy the returns.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (MLrvz)

293 Love him or hate him that was a shitty and unnecessary thing to say

Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (bs+z0)

294 keto cake frosting?
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen

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hey it's the 80's and I'm staying slim for the ladies

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (MLrvz)

295 Between Trump and DeSantis......the first one to say to a reporter "don't make me come down off this stage and cunt punt you" is who I'm voting for.

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (0jZnq)

296 Deep down, Nancy probably appreciated being called animal. - as she pulled out her nail file.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (bFHf8)

297 DD is run by a couple of ex-moron putzes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2022 06:02 PM (JOtiF)

I'm an ex-Moronette now? When do I get my letter of censure? Will it be on cardboard or used newspaper?

Posted by: pookysgirl, managing 400+ emails tonight at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (XKZwp)

298 My go to as well. However, I’m out at the moment, so it's Rebel 100 for tonight.
Posted by: Turn two at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (JfxgE)

Rebel!
Dang.
Have not had that since a bad night at Ft Sill during Officer Basic. Damned Georgia dudes.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (anj39)

299 When McClellan ran against Lincoln, he showed his true colors.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (C1rbv)

300 Kari Lake ain't my type but the way she tongue-lashes the media makes it move.

Just sayin.

Posted by: ballistic at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (oXNqT)

301 Any jumping out of windows yet?

I know they won't flee to Canada and Mexico is right out because these 'elites' don't want to learn Spanish or get kidnapped.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (Ouyuk)

They're too cowardly to actually jump out of windows. Plus, they want to stay around and annoy anyone who didn't vote for Muh Democracy!!!!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (ptqGC)

302 I'm going to continue to drink heavily and expect the worse. I hope I'm wrong. I just can't see the party of infanticide giving up this much power without a big fight. Too much to lose.

Posted by: Rasmus at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (+vWhI)

303 The moon was Orange Man Bad orange as it came up over the horizon. An auspicious portent!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

304 224 The mid-term election isn't even over and people are wanting to start fighting about 2024.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (yQpMk)

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Got me.

Rather, let us tonight bathe in the bitter tears of the libs.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (ffUJI)

305 Legislation. Make it stick. Can't do it - your time in office is null.
Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (V13WU)

We didn't walk into 2016 thinking the problem was the Republican party in Congress. Have you noticed who is trying to fix the Republican legislature?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (eYoxG)

306 I have no doubt the Puppeteers tell Sundowner how great he is and loved by all 81 million of his followers

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (xhxe8)

307 289 8 senate seats stolen?

gonna need a lot ballots with a 77% pissed off voter rate

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (MLrvz)

144% should do.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (ynpvh)

308 Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (MLrvz)

need more info

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (YglAn)

309 Love him or hate him that was a shitty and unnecessary thing to say
Posted by: It's me donna at November 08, 2022 06:12 PM (bs+z0)

of course it was ! I, you, others would not permit such in RL, from anyone, why should you permit that in a politician ?

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (V13WU)

310 Oh, Pelosi says they (the GOP) are coming for our Social Security!

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (C1rbv)

311 Imma say let's not start the Trump-DeSantis wars yet.

The day is coming, rest assured.

Not today, though.

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (pwExq)

312 Personally I think the dems severely underestimated Joe's ability to fuck things up. On the bright side, he will absolutely be (un)remembered as history's worst president. And, unlike Carter, won't have, appended to his legacy, anything about being a truly decent human or the like. Just a complete piece of shit.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (zsNoE)

313 But Grant wasn't a good president...
Posted by: Nova local at November 08, 2022 05:58 PM (exHjb)
==
Widely stated, but not actually true. Why would you knock him down as prez?

Posted by: Black JEM at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (xWZcb)

314 >>>Respectfully,

that's naïve boss, all politicians are all about themselves.

I know what you mean, but no, not really. Yes, it takes an ego to run for office, and a bigger ego to say "I should be president," but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

I mean, he's angry at DeSantis for not showing him "loyalty." Loyalty? What? For what? You endorsed him. He also... endorsed you. And campaigned... for you.

But Trump thinks everyone should genuflect to him.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (C1Zwz)

315 >>> Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (ZLI7S)

Well said.

WTF is wrong with us having two or maybe even three - Kari Lake if she overcomes the fraud - good choices in 2024?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (llON8)

316 Eris!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (ptqGC)

317 Red Wave or not Biden will 95+ million votes and be declared The House (the whole house) and the Senate.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (ymo4T)

318 Jeezuz Taylor, lighten up. I just found what I'm looking for.

"How rats are being used as bomb sniffers."

Best part, nobody cares if they find one and set it off.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (Ivdso)

Posted by: Ben's Owner at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (tF/Gf)

319 I should think Grant pretty well proved himself out west. Pope, Burnside and Hooker did nothing with the army built by McClellan.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:06 PM (MoZTd)

West AND East. He kicked Lee's ass all the way to Richmond and it took all Lee's skill and luck and repeated exposure to enemy fire to keep his army intact. He rebuilt the AoP from a politicized army that would defeat itself into a force that was as good or better than any army in the world - certainly the cavalry force was second to none by 1865 - it pretty much trapped Lee's retreat by itself and caused the surrender of about half or more.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (eoQWY)

320 I know they won't flee to Canada and Mexico is right out because these 'elites' don't want to learn Spanish or get kidnapped.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM

Or eat poutine and drink Labatt's.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (Wnv9h)

321 I think people gave Trump enough excuses. Time to move on to someone else.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (V13WU)

322 Trump has an enormous ego. But he's sane. He's not perfect, but he's proven effective. Had he not run in 2016, we'd be truly fucked right now.

Biden and Pelosi are textbook narcissistic sociopaths. Pelosi has done more damage over the last 50 years than any other US politician.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (SJsWC)

323 Defund the PBS.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (C1rbv)

324 Huge turnout at the local polling place here in TN. They said they were getting 'rush hour' lines the whole day.

Posted by: CppThis at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (UewuT)

325
Remember that Meade was congratulated for being the first Army of the Potomac general to engage *all* his troops at Gettysburg.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (llXky)

"Remember, General, I command the last reserve of the last Army of the Republic." - Fitz John Porter to McClellan at Antietam.

Sad to say, had McClellan ordered Porter in, Lee's army would have been split in two and defeated.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (MoZTd)

326 Omg the flipped Guam! Guam has been flipped! GUAM!

Posted by: Hank Johnson at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (0Qrr3)

327 One of the worst political Generals was Nathaniel P. Banks. He got sent off to Louisiana to run the Red River Campaign in 1864, mainly to get him out of the hair of everyone back east. Banks predictably screwed that campaign up totally, taking big casualties and getting pantsed regularly in spite of heavily outnumbering his opponents at all times.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (trdmm)

328 As Haley Barbour once pointed out
"Stupid people deserve representation too, the same as anyone else..."

Posted by: gourmand du jour, waits and drinks at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (jTmQV)

329 by the way, trump apparently going after desantis: think wrestlemania build up: i think it's that trump knows how to get the party started for the good of the country and for the bad of the dems.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (kFrCu)

330 okay i'm going to drop this to go back to looking for election news

not a foot stomp or anything, but obviously there is bigger and *nicer* news that is more of the immediate moment.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (C1Zwz)

331 That OJ meme...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (dNqv+)

332 >>Love him or hate him that was a shitty and unnecessary thing to say

Sure.

And if you think words and feelings matter in real life, you are a woman.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (swBIN)

333 Oh, Pelosi says they (the GOP) are coming for our Social Security!
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (C1rbv)

Gawd.
She's like an old 8 track stereo. Gets stuck on the same thing over and over so you have to slap her along side the head to change tunes.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (anj39)

334 Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (C1Zwz)

Careful they don't run you off!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (98o/I)

335 It's worse than that: she going to declare an invasion, which requires the federal government to assist her in repelling it. While it dithers, she will have the authority to mobilize troops, seal the border and detain everyone in her state illegally.

That's why they want her gone.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (llXky)

It.Moved.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (yQpMk)

336 I don't want to get ahead of things, but it looks like this may be a very good day.

Maybe.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (d2bW3)

337 Trump was so bad that the government had to collapse the economy and shut down voting simultaneously in five cities across multiple time zones to remove him.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (PVq+O)

338 Love him or hate him that was a shitty and unnecessary thing to say
Posted by: It's me donna

++

Bingo.

If DeSantis said the same thing tonight, I'd say what a giant asshole.

Whatever, I voted Trump multiple times and I know his supporters are on my side, but I feel about Trump the way I felt after 8 years of defending Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (dpIbY)

339 328, we knew it could happen! Right the heck over!

Seriously, super good to have the 2nd R from there ever.

Posted by: Piper at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (ZdaMQ)

340 but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

*Barack Obama sneers and looks away*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (Ivdso)

341 316 >>>Respectfully,

that's naïve boss, all politicians are all about themselves.

I know what you mean, but no, not really. Yes, it takes an ego to run for office, and a bigger ego to say "I should be president," but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

I mean, he's angry at DeSantis for not showing him "loyalty." Loyalty? What? For what? You endorsed him. He also... endorsed you. And campaigned... for you.

But Trump thinks everyone should genuflect to him.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (C1Zwz)

Where has the right struggled against the Democrats? Lack of organization and hierarchy. Maybe Trump isn't the perfect Ted Kennedy, but maybe the right does need someone in that role.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (eYoxG)

342 Good idea.

We have 2 whole years to play at HS Drama.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (swBIN)

343 Preemptive retaliation is so a thing.

Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (FhXTo)

344 ace, can you divulge more? Was this person contacted by the RNC or PDT? I don't want to be spreading bullshit.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (j9WVp)

345 I was told the military was going to use bomb-sniffing rats in Shitcanistan. But NOOOO. My son had to dismount his vehicle with a buddy and check one out while a hillside full of Tollybon watched them and then started firing on them.

So rats > Marines.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (ptqGC)

346 I'll have to dig into my books to see if it was Grant or Meade who did the re-org. I don't recall....eh, its about time for the Shelby Foote re-read anyway. Good excuse to start.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (XvPQV)
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Meade kept the same organization he inherited, and that left some of his corps very weak. Just as well that Mine Run didn't work out.

When Grant arrived, he turned the army upside-down, consolidating it into II, V and VI, and he also took the "heavies" out of DC and turned them into infantry. This gave him an army with a lot more heft, and which could absorb losses without losing cohesion. McClellan's structure was very sensitive to casualties because the formations were so small.

Note that Lee also had fewer, bigger units.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (llXky)

347 We hashing out Trump v Desantis?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (dNqv+)

348 Trump is the only chance the Democrats have.

They tried to make generic Republicans into bogeymen this time, even in the wake of losing their holy grail Roe v Wade, and it appears to be failing spectacularly at the moment.

They need Trump as the villain. Trump is the Ivan Drago. DeSantis would be more like Tommy Morrison, hard for them to get all lathered up over.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (xLqhd)

349 gonna need a lot ballots with a 77% pissed off voter rate
Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner

The % of voters doesn't matter, only who 'counts' the votes.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (hHtIc)

350 You people have disappointed Ace! I want you to all hold hands and say you're sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (0IeYL)

351 Mexico and Canada are not viable retreats. Mexico is narco controlled and Canada is fascist.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (C1rbv)

352 All the Never Trumper masks going back on. "Real conservatives vote for Gavin Newsome!"

Posted by: Regular joe at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (nnp+f)

353 Trump was so bad they had to play the Global Pandemic card (Fauci predicted this in 2017).

Posted by: gourmand du jour, waits and drinks at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (jTmQV)

354 Red Eagle Politics live stream is on- he has a lot of good, county - by -county very granular information.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (Ed8Zd)

355 PBS is to news what tits are to board hogs
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM

Wooden pigs have zerk fittings?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (a3Q+t)

356 Trump and DeSantis will knock each other out so that Jeb! may rise.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (63Dwl)

357 it's not trolling. It's preposterous the absurd levels of virtue some of you ascribe to trump.
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Feel free to look up Hylian's commenting history, if that's possible.

See you tomorrow.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (yikp0)

358 That first meme is based.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (zjVy3)

359 Is there some "tea leaf" that has revealed itself to make the Cao call?
Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (dpIbY)

VA has cleaned up elections and feds are getting raises that are dwarfed by inflation?

Posted by: Nova local at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (exHjb)

360 Biden and Pelosi are textbook narcissistic sociopaths. Pelosi has done more damage over the last 50 years than any other US politician.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (SJsWC)

Ahem.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter: History's Greatest Monster at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (yQpMk)

361 More Fox News: "When President Trump was cheering on the insurrectionists going over the wall on Jan 6th."

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (CecP5)

362 They need Trump as the villain. Trump is the Ivan Drago. DeSantis would be more like Tommy Morrison, hard for them to get all lathered up over.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (xLqhd)

They called Bush Chimpy W. Hitliar. They will find a way to demonize whoever the candidate is.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (PiwSw)

363 I just don't want to hear about attacks on "Mr. Trump" and "attacking Mr. Trump just like the liberal media" when DeSantis fires back.

Fuck around and find out.

Posted by: ace

I think Desantis is going to ignore him because that's how Trump knocks people out of races.

Desantis should let him Trump himself into a corner. Besides DC is still throwing lawsuits at Trump and there's no guarantee he survives all of them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (IyrhE)

364 342 but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

*Barack Obama sneers and looks away*
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (Ivdso)

Brandon sniffs a little girl on the way to his 18 wheeler.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (RLLZj)

365 About time to set up the drinking game rules. What is the key word for tonight? 'Democracy' might work.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (BqFOC)

366 358 Trump and DeSantis will knock each other out so that Jeb! may rise.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (63Dwl)

Put a wooden steak in it's heart an a string of garlic around it's neck.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (ynpvh)

367 Polls closed in Indiana and parts of Kentucky. Uh oh.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (V13WU)

368 I was hoping Church Militant was live streaming. So far, not yet.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (d2bW3)

369 Trump is the only chance the Democrats have.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

++
100%
No matter how bad things get, Trump will be the one Republican that can lose this thing. Again.

Biden already beat him once, worst Dem candidate they've ever fielded and he still lost. Even with Trump sending actual checks in the mail, he lost.

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (dpIbY)

370 Trump and DeSantis will knock each other out so that Jeb! may rise.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (63Dwl)

*splashes Holy Water on screen and dons garlic necklace*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (ptqGC)

371 I paid the 5 bucks to watch Richard Baris election coverage on YouTube.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (xPl2J)

372 "Remember, General, I command the last reserve of the last Army of the Republic." - Fitz John Porter to McClellan at Antietam.

Sad to say, had McClellan ordered Porter in, Lee's army would have been split in two and defeated.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (MoZTd)
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The Union at that point had more troops in reserve than Lee had on the field.

That's a very challenging battle to game because unless you impose huge restraints on the Union player, the South gets crushed completely.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (llXky)

373 Maybe I am naive but I do not get why some have to be so rah rah team and attack anything off that team. I think bot DeSantis and Trump are fine at what they do. Each one has his strengths and weaknesses. Why do you have to hate the other to support the one?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (Ivdso)

374 Are we doing the 2016 primaries thing again?

*takes a sip of rum*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (dNqv+)

375 Imma say let's not start the Trump-DeSantis wars yet.

The day is coming, rest assured.

Not today, though.
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (pwExq)

I beg your pardon! The war has already started. The fact that people have started to call for a cease-fire is ready proof.

I did see Ghost of Kari post last night so that gives me hope I wont be the only DJT supporter left here when he claims the nomination again.

Is it too early to start on pool on who won't be here when ashes settle again?

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (1DgE4)

376 John Pope got shafted by McClellan, who failed to support him. Yes, he got beat up in the Valley, but he did a lot of things right. Getting exiled to MN was undeserved. He was Quality and when Sherman offered him a Corps command, he turned it down and was content.

He had one hell of an ego, but he tamed it in the end. Pretty remarkable for a General officer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (XvPQV)

377 I'm an ex-Moronette now? When do I get my letter of censure? Will it be on cardboard or used newspaper?

Posted by: pookysgirl, managing 400+ emails tonight at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (XKZwp)

Are you on their board of directors or something? No, I'm referring to The Telescope Guy and Jeff B.

Two putzes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (JOtiF)

378 239 @174 Garrett-Fuck Reagans 11th Commandment. Said it yesterday, I am A Reagan Conservative but some shit I didn't like, same as Trump. I don't want pussy ass polite speak, fuck that I want a g-damn brawl on the f'ing stage and swearing. People don't like that? Go read the shit they said about each other after the founding and the politicking kicked in. To boot those guys were religious AF. WE are so pussified its f'ing embarrassing. Maybe the country doesn't deserve to survive this. Posted by: JROD
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Tis true. The Founding fathers had skeletons in their closets and people willing to go to the mat with that. Most candidate biography is puff pr shit and a lot of time you only find out something bad afterwards. Like do we know even now how bad GWB's drug problem was. We know now that the NYT was not lying that GHWB was having an affair with his 'aide', and so on. Actions mean more to me than words and we have a whole year or so to worry about the 2024 race.

Whatever Trump may have done is pretty much out there--he is vetted more than probably any candidate in the history. We still don't know a whole lot about DeSantis so be careful falling in love.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (CXr4y)

379 can everyone just get along and pray that PA doesn't end up with a brain damaged stroked out Antifa behemoth as a senator?!?!?!

Posted by: BlackOrchidDancingByMyself at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (w0NJk)

380 358 Trump and DeSantis will knock each other out so that Jeb! may rise.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 08, 2022 06:18 PM (63Dwl)

That's the part that worries me. Sure, some primary pugilism is perfectly fine and indeed probably good to ensure the fitness of the candidates, but one must not forget how it was that the Clinton family came to power.

Posted by: CppThis at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (UewuT)

381 About time to set up the drinking game rules. What is the key word for tonight? 'Democracy' might work.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (BqFOC)

Disenfranchised !

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (V13WU)

382 Right now I am in the CBS news headquarters as they begin coverage of Democracy dying in darkness.

I hope to drink the tears of Democrats before long.

Posted by: Infidel de Manahatta at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (6OAmc)

383 but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

*Barack Obama sneers and looks away*
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (Ivdso)

Brandon sniffs a little girl on the way to his 18 wheeler.
Posted by: Just Lily
--------

Pelosi makes mysterious hand gestures

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (Dat+p)

384 289 8 senate seats stolen?

gonna need a lot ballots with a 77% pissed off voter rate

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (MLrvz)

Perhaps Groubert is wrong and he hopes he is. But this is what he believes the democrat strategy will be. He expects the count to go on for a week and Biden already promised that.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (6vA7M)

385 Aetius

Seems that way. 9mm vs .45ACP has produced fewer casualties.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (Ouyuk)

386 367 About time to set up the drinking game rules. What is the key word for tonight? 'Democracy' might work.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (BqFOC)

Dude! You can die from alcohol poisoning!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (ynpvh)

387 >>Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (dpIbY)

You should run along and clean out your mother's flaps before your next 'uncle' show up for his 'date'.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (swBIN)

388 327
Remember that Meade was congratulated for being the first Army of the Potomac general to engage *all* his troops at Gettysburg.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (llXky)

"Remember, General, I command the last reserve of the last Army of the Republic." - Fitz John Porter to McClellan at Antietam.

Sad to say, had McClellan ordered Porter in, Lee's army would have been split in two and defeated.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (MoZTd)

Bruce Catton wrote that McClellan believed he was substantially out-numbered by the Army of Northern Virginia the entire time he was in command. If true, that helps explain McClellan's habitual caution.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (AMIL/)

389 Grant learned to flank, flank, and flank. Never assault a heavily defended position. Ideas that worked well in The Great War (WWI).

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (C1rbv)

390 Ohhh...local news just now...

"We're here at Reverend Warnock's headquarters in Atlanta..."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (ptqGC)

391 I think Trump vs Tulsi is the donk plan. RD's job would be to piss off Trump and drive Karen away. I still believe the DS wants Trump to run.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (b+v9B)

392 surrogates can be real shit stirrers

and Trump rises to the bait of the shit stirrers

just how he is built

can't help himself

Posted by: Yank Johnson at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (us2H3)

393 I don't want to get ahead of things, but it looks like this may be a very good day.

Maybe.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 08, 2022 06:16 PM (d2bW3)

Concur...
Eggs...chickens...hatchings...

I am hopeful...but...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (anj39)

394 I'll have to dig into my books to see if it was Grant or Meade who did the re-org. I don't recall....eh, its about time for the Shelby Foote re-read anyway. Good excuse to start.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:11 PM (XvPQV)

Grant got the blame from the dismembered Corps, but it was Meade who wanted it. The old corps were too small and there weren't enough good corps commanders. After the merge, the new corps were too big to handle and there STILL weren't enough good corps commanders.

After the autumn they had added quite a few new corps to the army from the Army of the James and elsewhere and had a good set of corps commanders for the final close out. The spring campaign was a model and captured Lee's army in the field in a campaign of about two weeks.

Only three rebel armies surrendered due to military action before war's end, and all three were to Grant.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (eoQWY)

395 They called Bush Chimpy W. Hitliar.

But he won. Because it wasn't effective. Because Bush was an aw-shucks effeminate cuck,

That's my point.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (xLqhd)

396 Omg the flipped Guam! Guam has been flipped! GUAM!
Posted by: Hank Johnson

Did Tank Abrams stand too close to the edge?

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (ftFVW)

397 Not to be debbie downer but what's happening in Philly is a giant shit ball of smelly dung piles.

Count votes until the 17th? What third-world shit hole is this?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (DcKNO)

398 I feel like we all turn into a bunch of Veruca Salt's

BUT DADDY I WANT IT NOW

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (YglAn)

399 Trump v. DeSantis is part of the show, that's all. Trump runs things.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (Sv58p)

400 352 You people have disappointed Ace! I want you to all hold hands and say you're sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM (0IeYL

Hey Weasel! I sent you an email at the gub tread

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (6VKyY)

401 373 I paid the 5 bucks to watch Richard Baris election coverage on YouTube.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (xPl2J)

Was it worth it ?

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (6vA7M)

402
Since most people don't decide to get degrees in Business Administration, they can't begin to fathom the stuff you learn in BA. You learn not to be a failure by studying those who do. You learn some very strange stories about individuals who survive and prosper, and those who don't.

I 'get' Trump. He's a success with a Masters in Business Administration. Not my favorite person in the world, but a success. Everything he does and says moves product.

Posted by: Buick filled with ballots heading to Pennsylvania at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (y3pKJ)

403 I know what you mean, but no, not really. Yes, it takes an ego to run for office, and a bigger ego to say "I should be president," but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

I mean, he's angry at DeSantis for not showing him "loyalty." Loyalty? What? For what? You endorsed him. He also... endorsed you. And campaigned... for you.

But Trump thinks everyone should genuflect to him.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (C1Zwz)

You're splitting hairs here to a large degree.

I look at it as battlefield prep for the next campaign...and it's always about the next campaign.

Better to be blooded by Trump, then go on a national campaign for the White House, and face the jackals cold.

Appreciate your response though...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (CCSxw)

404 Defund the PBS.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse

It's a start. Then Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy, TSA, FBi, etc.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (LsEU/)

405 but the 101 is good stuff.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:07 PM (swBIN)

I just bought a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 (my nephew works there!), so I will report back breathlessly in the next few weeks that yes...bourbon is good!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (XIJ/X)

406 Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (DcKNO)

To ask the questions is to answer it.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (YglAn)

407 let's cease-fire on the Trump v DeSantis stuff and just watch what happens with these midterms tonight tomorrow for however long they drag it out

just a suggestion
ymmv

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (geLO8)

408 The Union at that point had more troops in reserve than Lee had on the field.

That's a very challenging battle to game because unless you impose huge restraints on the Union player, the South gets crushed completely.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (llXky)

Moreover the economic situation was far worse. An inferior force can contend with a larger one defensively, but not if the "country" behind it is in shambles.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (eYoxG)

409 >>>Trump at rally: I'll be making a big announcement on November 15th
It kind of makes zero sense to make an announcement in the middle of a huge pile of election news, when it would get the least coverage

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Pence's book is released on 11/15, so I think you can figure 11/15 was chosen on purpose.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (QYPq3)

410 You people have disappointed Ace! I want you to all hold hands and say you're sorry!
Posted by: Weasel at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM

This. If somehow you need a reminder, not disappointing Ace is Job Number Two around here.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (a3Q+t)

411 Kari Lake could have taken Florida from DeSantis, even without the ground game that Grant had. And don't get me started on Trump marching through Georgia without Nicole Simpson.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (APPN8)

412 Exit Polls Begin Dropping: 73% of Voters Either Dissatisfied or Angry at Biden Record; 66% Don't Want Him to Run Again

--

This puts Grandpa Kiddie Sniffer at about 25% approval in actuality.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (sVtYq)

413 Wow. We're already fighting. That portends well.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (zsNoE)

414 I think the Dems already have the ice floe ready for Grandpa Bad Touch. They just need to coax him onto it and push him away from the shore.

Suggestion: tell him the floe is an enchanted cruise ship to the Magical Land of Ice Cream and Preteen Girls.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (bW8dp)

415 Seems that way. 9mm vs .45ACP has produced fewer casualties.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (Ouyuk)

Erich Hartmann had fewer kills.

I did not know he lived until '93.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (dNqv+)

416 Are we doing the 2016 primaries thing again?

*takes a sip of rum*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (dNqv+)

{{shudders}} PLEASE let there be no repeat here of 2016.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ptqGC)

417 "Come to Jesus," she said! The theocracy is here already!

Posted by: Swooning swooner who swoons at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (+R5dc)

418
Appomattox Court House is a beautiful place come April.

More Park Service employees than visitors, a most peaceful setting.

Posted by: Auspex at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (j4U/Z)

419 Signs and Portents !

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (V13WU)

420
Was it worth it ?

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (6vA7M)

It starts in 5 minutes

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (xPl2J)

421 >>100%
No matter how bad things get, Trump will be the one Republican that can lose this thing. Again.

>>Biden already beat him once, worst Dem candidate they've ever fielded and he still lost. Even with Trump sending actual checks in the mail, he lost.

If this is the best reason for some to support DeSantis I will vote for Trump twice. This is just plain dumb.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

422 Just got an email that RSBN will be broadcasting election results all night.

rsbnetwork.com. I think the girl is wearing a Star Trek outfit.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (Sv58p)

423 Biden already beat him once, worst Dem candidate they've ever fielded and he still lost. Even with Trump sending actual checks in the mail, he lost.
-

Absurd.

Trump won in a landslide.

The Republicans gave up. Heck, look no farther than Pence accepting his challenge coin when he removed him from office and then had a little celebration with Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (PVq+O)

424 >>> 401 Trump v. DeSantis is part of the show, that's all. Trump runs things.
Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (Sv58p)

It seems the 'Rons would prefer Lake v. Dixon, especially if there were pudding involved.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (llON8)

425 375 Maybe I am naive but I do not get why some have to be so rah rah team and attack anything off that team. I think bot DeSantis and Trump are fine at what they do. Each one has his strengths and weaknesses. Why do you have to hate the other to support the one?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
-------------------------
CRT, some people are obsessive, some people are disruptor type trolls either on purpose or because they enjoy attention by seizing the topic of conversation. The last category are paid whores for campaign consultants that spend time fishing in ponds doing oppo research, trolling, planting stories, etc. Basic pr shit. They call themselves influence leaders and they show up here now and again.

I am leaving out the DNC/Shart Blue/whatever new morphed organization that does planned and paid trolling.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (CXr4y)

426 Alternate title for the Chris Hayes picture:

"I think I'm gonna hurl!"

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (PiwSw)

427 I don't want a repeat of 2020...

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (V13WU)

428 LOL Babylon Bee:

Fox News calls Arizona for Stacy Abrams

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (Ivdso)

429 Bruce Catton wrote that McClellan believed he was substantially out-numbered by the Army of Northern Virginia the entire time he was in command. If true, that helps explain McClellan's habitual caution.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (AMIL/)
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Since all good commanders get the best possible intelligence, McClellan failed spectacularly, especially if you consider that he figured Lee had more troops than the Confederacy actually had rifles to equip them!

He was a terrible commander.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (llXky)

430 Wild Turkey 101 is one of my favorites. I like that it's not terribly expensive.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (xPJvm)

431 301 When McClellan ran against Lincoln, he showed his true colors.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (C1rbv

If McClellan had won the presidency, he would have capitulated to the south.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (BdMk6)

432 Bruce Catton wrote that McClellan believed he was substantially out-numbered by the Army of Northern Virginia the entire time he was in command. If true, that helps explain McClellan's habitual caution.
Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (AMIL/)

he believed that because he had an incompetent spy service, and then he distorted what they did support to follow his preconceptions.

But that doesn't explain Antietam - since he found the exact arrangement of the enemy and the location and the march plan. So he knew how many troops even by his lying intelligence and knew he was superior in numbers. And he still delayed, let the enemy concentrate and came as close to losing as possible.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (eoQWY)

433 "when we win there's going to be a come to Jesus for elections in Arizona"

ANTI-MUSLIM HATE SPEEEEEEEEEEEEECH

someone bring me a fainting couch, a snugglie, my dwarf service gerbil, and a White Claw

Posted by: Bensdad00 at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (f8UDq)

434 The 2016 Republican slate of primary candidates was really amazing. It is only in retrospect that we think they were all terrible. But we were ALL here quite sure that things had been set by the GOPe for Jeb to win. He was a popular governor of Florida, raised a zillion dollars, brother and son of Presidents and name recognition out the wazoo. He was, on paper, a killer Republican candidate. Ted Cruz. Kasich was governor of Ohio. Dr. Ben Carson. Carly Fiorina (don't laugh she had good tickets). Rand Paul! Newt Gingrich! Rick Perry, Governor of Texas. Marco Rubio (remember the Ewok's constant sexing of his garbage?). Mike Huckabee, governor of Arkansas, Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey, Jim Gilmore governor of Virginia, Scott Walker governor of Wisconsin, Bobby Jindal governor of Louisiana, George Pataki governor of New York, Lindsey Graham.

All of them were credible candidates. Let's see how many come out in 2024.

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (pwExq)

435 LOL Babylon Bee:

Fox News calls Arizona for Stacy Abrams

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (Ivdso)

lol

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (ptqGC)

436 323 I think people gave Trump enough excuses. Time to move on to someone else.
Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (V13WU)

Damn son...

You are persistent.

Show me on the doll where Donny touched you, will you.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (CCSxw)

437 Grant learned to flank, flank, and flank. Never assault a heavily defended position. Ideas that worked well in The Great War (WWI).
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (C1rbv)

Posted by: Jimmy Carter: History's Greatest Monster at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (yQpMk)

438 Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

Seriously.

Trump got that MOST votes in history and we're to believe that Biden won legitimately? LMFAO.

Biden out performed Obama in black areas? Fuck no.

The election was stolen. Full stop.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (YglAn)

439 Step into the Octagon and take your beating!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (geVLo)

440 If this is the best reason for some to support DeSantis I will vote for Trump twice. This is just plain dumb.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

Jack may be senile and gum both his steak and his women, but I agree with him here.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (dNqv+)

441 If this is the best reason for some to support DeSantis I will vote for Trump twice. This is just plain dumb.
Posted by: JackStraw
--------------------
Any argument in a gale. But I agree with you.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (CXr4y)

442 and once we control everything, we need to get back to taking advice from real conservatives like french and frum and romney. sure way to win the hearts and minds of everyone who has money to donate for the next election we lose.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (kFrCu)

443 so, its all good, no worries, lets start pre-litigating 2024 ?

bbl, thanks

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (+BsyR)

444 When McClellan ran against Lincoln, he showed his true colors.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (C1rbv

If McClellan had won the presidency, he would have capitulated to the south.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (BdMk6)

Well he said he wouldn't, but he was never good at following through to the end.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (eoQWY)

445 These democracy memes are hysterical.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (sVtYq)

446 Dammit

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (yQpMk)

447 439 Grant learned to flank, flank, and flank. Never assault a heavily defended position. Ideas that worked well in The Great War (WWI).
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (C1rbv)

Posted by: Jimmy Carter: History's Greatest Monster at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (yQpMk)

And Cold Harbor?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (dNqv+)

448 ALL the judges were running unopposed, and I didn't vote for any of them.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (anj39)

Same here. Judges are a big part of our problem.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (xnWR/)

449 >>> 418
==
{{shudders}} PLEASE let there be no repeat here of 2016.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ptqGC)

Eh, just ignore it. I did a *lot* of scrolling in 2016.

If it gets really goofy I'll just go watch the chickens for a while.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (llON8)

450 Count votes until the 17th? What third-world shit hole is this?
Posted by: Seems Legit
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Ah. A question that answers itself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (S5jV/)

451 >> I will report back breathlessly in the next few weeks that yes...bourbon is good!

Angel's Envy Finished Rye

Rabbithole Daeringer Bourbon

Both are finished. Both are high among my faves.

Willet's Rye is also good.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (swBIN)

452 447 These democracy memes are hysterical.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (sVtYq)

------

Agree. Can't get enough.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (DcKNO)

453 Come to Jesus," she said! The theocracy is here already!
Posted by: Swooning swooner who swoons

We need smelling salts here. And loosen her girdle.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (Ivdso)

454 Not totally up on it but recollection is Grant used lots of friends and associates or them and had lots of corruption

Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (xhxe8)

455 Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (pwExq)

Bobby Jindal should have gotten more burn.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (YglAn)

456 So, 1/2 of a good General - Brilliant on Defense, but incapable of any effective Offense.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:09 PM (trdmm)

He was out on a ship during the 7 Days. He was missing in action. He was simply a horrible general who let his fears run away with him. He was great at organizing, but that was it.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (EpDzw)

457 You people have disappointed Ace! I want you to all hold hands and say you're sorry!
Posted by: Weasel at November 08, 2022 06:17 PM

Just wait until we've all been drinking for several hours.

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (kOpft)

458 Perhaps Groubert is wrong and he hopes he is. But this is what he believes the democrat strategy will be. He expects the count to go on for a week and Biden already promised that.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (6vA7M)

I like Groubert, but I've noticed what he 'knows'...he knows pretty well. What's out of his personal experience or research though, he's no better than any moron here. He has gaps in his education, as I'm sure most of us do.

I trust him on the Kennedy assassination, but not on every topic, including current day politics.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (XvPQV)

459 So Trump is an egotistical asshole. Is there anyone not aware of that at this point? I admit it. So what?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (u73oe)

460 It seems the 'Rons would prefer Lake v. Dixon, especially if there were pudding involved.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (llON

You are not wrong.

Threadwinner!

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (pwExq)

461 in 2016 many said (something like) "no he is not our perfect candidate, he is our destroyer, collector of skulls"

And Trump did expose, but also dumped most of those that helped him win. His biggest campaign slogan about the wall ... came from Coulter's book (Adios America). Then he later dumped on her too. "Loyalty?"

But Jarvanka got the corner office ... then he could never fire Fauci/Birx, even as Fauci trashed Trump on MSNBC, and as Fauci shut down America, made going to church a crime. idk, I can appreciate what Trump did .. but not sure what the next path forward is.

Still, Trump seems to have the momentum with the MAGA thang, so we probably should go with that. DeSantis taking money from a (at best) squish billionaire is a concern, especially if he does like Walker did, and conform his platform to keep the squish billionaire happy.

But for tonight, I want to celebrate some level of victory ... the House, The Senate ... hurray. (and I will imagine treasonous Mitch and McCarthy somehow being defeated, to keep my mood up)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (Cus5s)

462 438 323 I think people gave Trump enough excuses. Time to move on to someone else.
Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:15 PM (V13WU)

Damn son...

You are persistent.

Show me on the doll where Donny touched you, will you.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (CCSxw)

He said "Pussy"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (ynpvh)

463 If it gets really goofy I'll just go watch the chickens for a while.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (llON

Do the chickens have large talons?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (PiwSw)

464 I buy Wild Turkey 101 by the half-gallon. please don't tell my GP, he thinks I am reasonable about my health.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (APPN8)

465 rsbnetwork.com. I think the girl is wearing a Star Trek outfit.
Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (Sv58p)

The blonde in the red shirt?

Fascinating...

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion Spock at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (ufFY8)

466 I'm an ex-Moronette now? When do I get my letter of censure? Will it be on cardboard or used newspaper?

Posted by: pookysgirl, managing 400+ emails tonight at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (XKZwp)

I was upgraded last year from cardboard to foil...but it was a bunch of used chewing gum foil.
Had to pay extra for the chewed up gum.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (anj39)

467 > Just wait until we've all been drinking for several hours.
_________

Past that point hours ago.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (Q4IgG)

468 Damn son...

You are persistent.

Show me on the doll where Donny touched you, will you.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (CCSxw)

Sounds like he touched you in a special place..

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (V13WU)

469 >>> 440 Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

Seriously.

Trump got that MOST votes in history and we're to believe that Biden won legitimately? LMFAO.

Biden out performed Obama in black areas? Fuck no.

The election was stolen. Full stop.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (YglAn)

It's totally false that six states stopped counting at exactly the same time and it would be perfectly legit if they did so to "fortify" the election against OrangeManBad and Poo Tin.

Posted by: leftists at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (llON8)

470 LOL. Nancy Pelosi is on PBS.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse

Pure Bull Shit?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (FVME7)

471 It starts in 5 minutes

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (xPl2J)

LOL. With the massive lopsided turnout, I've convinced myself the count is already over ...

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (6vA7M)

472 Huh, whatever happened to Bobby Jindal?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (DcKNO)

473 Grant learned to flank, flank, and flank. Never assault a heavily defended position. Ideas that worked well in The Great War (WWI).
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (C1rbv)

*Cold Harbor has entered the chat*

*7,000 Union Soldiers have left the chat*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (yQpMk)

474 438 323 I think people gave Trump enough excuses. Time to move on to someone else.
Posted by: runner
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I notice that you rarely contribute on the topic at hand but whatever arguments fro whatever you want that you can throw at others. Why is that? Why now?

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (CXr4y)

475 let's cease-fire on the Trump v DeSantis stuff and just watch what happens with these midterms tonight tomorrow for however long they drag it out

just a suggestion
ymmv

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 06:22 PM (geLO

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I'm not on a side, I'm just tired of the pissing and moaning that Trump wasn't some sort of perfect divine being with flawless self-control who had the capacity to solve every single problem in American but his EGO stopped him from achieving this millennial divine mission.

He's a mensch from Queens who mouths off. Deal with it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (llXky)

476 Wow. We're already fighting. That portends well.
Posted by: Farmer Bob

Just like an Italian family! Mind boggling to outsiders.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (LsEU/)

477 I don't think there could be a weaker candidate than Biden. I think Cumala could even be stronger (Which is amazing). So yeah, I support Biden running again.

Posted by: SamIam at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (oasF3)

478 {{shudders}} PLEASE let there be no repeat here of 2016.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ptqGC)

Eh, just ignore it. I did a *lot* of scrolling in 2016.

If it gets really goofy I'll just go watch the chickens for a while.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (llON

I see Amish Dude on Twitter a lot. He's conservative, but I guess still NeverTrump.

I actually stepped away from the blog during the heat of the fighting. Don't want to go through that again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (ptqGC)

479 Towne Branch is a good affordable bottle.

Also Minor Case Rye. Both aound $40.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (swBIN)

480 Any Quartermaster who, in the heat of battle, looks up at a church steeple. Commandeers a howitzer crew, orders them to disassemble the tube, carry it upstairs, put it back together and then blast the hell out of the enemy has my vote.

After all that hullabaloo I might drink a bit on an unaccompanied tour of boring garrison duty in California.

Posted by: Ben's Owner at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (tF/Gf)

481 If it gets really goofy I'll just go watch the chickens for a while.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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I've already been outside to gaze at Jupiter. Now waiting on post-eclipse moonrise. If the man in the moon is smoking a cigarette, then I'll know that the event of last night was good.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (S5jV/)

482 The 2016 Republican slate of primary candidates was really amazing. It is only in retrospect that we think they were all terrible.

I agree, it was an awesome lineup, especially compared to the litany of human detritus the Democrats have on their, er, bench.

CRT, some people are obsessive, some people are disruptor type trolls either on purpose or because they enjoy attention by seizing the topic of conversation.

Well certainly someone who asserts baldly that "Biden defeated Trump" is unworthy of engagement or even noting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (Ivdso)

483 Maybe I am naive but I do not get why some have to be so rah rah team and attack anything off that team. I think bot DeSantis and Trump are fine at what they do. Each one has his strengths and weaknesses. Why do you have to hate the other to support the one?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Did you even watch Twilight?

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (kOpft)

484 Just wait until we've all been drinking for several hours.

----------------------------------------------------------

Done. Call, raise.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (APPN8)

485 still don't get how a party whos leader got 81 million votes manage to lose 18 house seats

sumptin aint right in dat

Posted by: REDACTED at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (us2H3)

486 Pima County in AZ (which is where ultra-blue Tucson is located) dropped some numbers for Election Day turnout

51% R
20% D
28% IND

Looks really good for Republicans!

Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (dpIbY)

487 Oh is DeSantis running for Preezy in 24? I hadn't heard. I do know that Kari Lake committed to two terms as governor in Arizona

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (RkeIs)

488 *Cold Harbor has entered the chat*

*7,000 Union Soldiers have left the chat*
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (yQpMk)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (dNqv+)

489 432 Wild Turkey 101 is one of my favorites. I like that it's not terribly expensive.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (xPJvm)

It's a great mixer. That and Woodford Reserve are my go-to for mixed drinks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (XvPQV)

490 Since all good commanders get the best possible intelligence, McClellan failed spectacularly, especially if you consider that he figured Lee had more troops than the Confederacy actually had rifles to equip them!

He was a terrible commander.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:23 PM (llXky)

it was an interesting coincidence that in most of the battles his army fought, McClellan was not present or not with the troops.

It wasn't lack of physical courage, but it happened too often. Grant missed the starts of several of his battles due to coordinating with the navy but he was there as soon as he could.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (eoQWY)

491 So if I understand this correctly, Trump realizes DeSantis may be a competitor in the 2024 Republican primary and has done opposition research on him.

Doesn't seem like a problem to me. In fact how many times has everyone here complained of Republicans not doing opposition research. Raises hand.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (ffUJI)

492 "I want you to all hold hands and say you're sorry!"

wait, "Those aren't Pillows".

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (Cus5s)

493 Hoo boy. Local news is doing their corporate masters' bidding.

Roe vs. Wade, "Governors race is really tight" -- NO IT'S NOT...etc.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (ptqGC)

494 Trump virtuous? I'm not voting for a clergyman or a husband for a family member. I'd be voting for someone who'll stand up to treacherous democrats and not roll over. Nothing he's ever said, nothing, is comparable to dem accusations of conservatives being nazis, or killers of the elderly. Yet people think of Trump as rough because he calls out fake news and perfidious pols.

I don't care that he's been married 3 times
I don't care who he slept with

I don't like a lot of his choices of advisors, and in a second term, I don't want to see the Kushners' faces except at parties. And hopefully, now that he's figured out what shit advice he got from the GOP, this won't happen again. I'm not saying pricks like MItch, Mitt, Lindsey and Kevin won't obstruct...they will. But Trump knows now what to expect.

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (Zzbjj)

495 @380 whig-I like what DeSantis is doing so far but dammit we've been burned by governors that do a good job governing and campaigning at the state level.......get to the national stage and you wonder wtf happened. Same thing I said yesterday, keep them at arms length and don't fall in love. Felt that way about Cruz back in 2016, feel that way about Trump even now, goes for DeSantis and Kari Lake for that matter. The conservative media is useless for vetting these people out and so are we citizens. We need to be asking the tough questions ourselves instead of clapping like seals when they "own" a lefty reporter then go "yup they're the real deal!" Frustrating and WE. DO. IT. ALL. THE. TIME.

Posted by: JROD at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (0jZnq)

496 436 The 2016 Republican slate of primary candidates was really amazing. It is only in retrospect that we think they were all terrible. But we were ALL here quite sure that things had been set by the GOPe for Jeb to win. He was a popular governor of Florida, raised a zillion dollars, brother and son of Presidents and name recognition out the wazoo. He was, on paper, a killer Republican candidate. Ted Cruz. Kasich was governor of Ohio. Dr. Ben Carson. Carly Fiorina (don't laugh she had good tickets). Rand Paul! Newt Gingrich! Rick Perry, Governor of Texas. Marco Rubio (remember the Ewok's constant sexing of his garbage?). Mike Huckabee, governor of Arkansas, Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey, Jim Gilmore governor of Virginia, Scott Walker governor of Wisconsin, Bobby Jindal governor of Louisiana, George Pataki governor of New York, Lindsey Graham.

All of them were credible candidates. Let's see how many come out in 2024.
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (pwExq)

Eh, we had a much higher view of the GOP back then. Probably more backstabbers on the ballot than we'd like to think.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (eYoxG)

497 >>> 465 If it gets really goofy I'll just go watch the chickens for a while.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (llON

Do the chickens have large talons?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (PiwSw)

They do seem rather large by proportion.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (llON8)

498 Biden already beat him once, worst Dem candidate they've ever fielded and he still lost. Even with Trump sending actual checks in the mail, he lost.
Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:19 PM (dpIbY)

That's a stupid thing to say.

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (Zzbjj)

499 Swoon- @409
'Now let us have a little talk with Jesus, let us tell him all about our troubles.
He will hear our our every cry and he will answer by and by....'

Posted by: Eromero at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (2+JU2)

500 "gives me hope I wont be the only DJT supporter left here when he claims the nomination again."

I'm for Trump but can move if the facts change, and they may. Trump can take a punch, and I'm not sure the others can. Trump connects with working people and that's the future of rebranding the R party, which Trump has already started -- if we win stongly tonight this will be a huge factor in why.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (SJsWC)

501 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (ptqGC)

So, he's not a conservative.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (YglAn)

502 Perhaps it's been brought up, but I was flipping through the channels and decided to stop on News Nation to see what was happening. Chris Cuomo is dressed like he's at a funeral. lol

Posted by: bed head at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (Y1sOo)

503 All of them were credible candidates. Let's see how many come out in 2024.
Posted by: blaster
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I would say all of them were far superior in brainpower than Biden or Harris but that is a low bar. The GOP has several candidates possible so we need to just take a chill pill like you said and let events unfold.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (CXr4y)

504 Public Service Announcement:

VABC has a 50% off sale in selected stores, for selected items, to clear stock for the holidays. The good stuff is probably gone by now, but this is a good time to stock up on 'mule fodder.'

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (APPN8)

505 I actually stepped away from the blog during the heat of the fighting. Don't want to go through that again.

Yeah a lot of us did. I was concerned the same thing would happen this time but thankfully it has been reasonably mild and polite. I think the bulk of if not all the worst offenders and troublemakers left the blog in various degrees of huffs because Bad Orange Man.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (Ivdso)

506 bret bear now reporting that dr oz has conceded to sen elect gronk.

grrrr vote no on tax cut for billionaires!!!

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (kFrCu)

507 Because this rum is really good:

https://tinyurl.com/mr3m2ssb

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (dNqv+)

508 That and Woodford Reserve are my go-to for mixed drinks.

-

This right here. It's my all around do everything, from upscale mixer to porch sipper. The best part is it's always available because everyone is chasing the boutique stuff, but the Woodford is pretty darn close to many and better than a lot of them.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (PVq+O)

509 474 Huh, whatever happened to Bobby Jindal?
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (DcKNO)

I actually had high hopes for him at one point.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (XvPQV)

510
Just wait until we've all been drinking for several hours.

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM

Wait?

Posted by: Buick filled with ballots heading to Pennsylvania at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (y3pKJ)

511 Hey, the GOP just rolled out ORCA 3.0!

Daisy, daiseeeeee....

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (nDrPh)

512 and when we win there's going to be a come to Jesus for elections in Arizona.
_Nash Bridges

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (bFHf8)

513 Trump loves America so I shall keep my trumpy bear out for now

Posted by: Summer at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (opGvK)

514
Bobby Jindal should have gotten more burn.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (YglAn)

I liked him at first. He sure faded...

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (anj39)

515 I dreamed I was cross-country skiing.

Posted by: Just the Punchline at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (yQpMk)

516 Olga Kurylenko and Don Johnson in . . . "High Heat":

https://youtu.be/Obocm8FlzJs

Actually looks decent.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (FGctj)

517 Interesting-ish.

Guam has elected a Republican House representative (or delegate since it is non voting) for the first time since 1990. This is actual final vote tally, not a poll.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (OalnH)

518 IF the Earth was flat and Stacey edged too close, the whole planet would flip.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (Ouyuk)

519 Oooh, wicked sunset! Be back later, have fun. It's a good day, it really is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (XvPQV)

520 391 Grant learned to flank, flank, and flank. Never assault a heavily defended position. Ideas that worked well in The Great War (WWI).

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:20 PM (C1rbv)

The big problem facing Grant in 1864 was that Lee's forces were operating along a shorter radius from Richmond than Grant's force. Grant's troops force always had to disengage and march faster than Lee's troops did to take up the next position to the S, SE, or SW, to get around Lee's flank. I'm not sure Northern troops ever out-paced Southern troops in Virginia, before March 1865.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (AMIL/)

521 Luzerne County PA.(my county) ran out of fucking paper.

Polls will now close at 10pm.

Face palm.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (fuCr+)

522 I buy Wild Turkey 101 by the half-gallon. please don't tell my GP, he thinks I am reasonable about my health.
Posted by: goatexchange
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Deal. I know what you mean.
[offers Goat a Marlboro]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (esps4)

523 McClellan ran as a D for POTUS in 1864 on a "negotiated peace, stop the war now" platform. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (CgtKh)

524 INteresting...

Canada Kicks Chinese Companies Out of Lithium Mining
https://tinyurl.com/3ctzdhhx

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (IyrhE)

525 >>That's a stupid thing to say.

Well. When you are paid by the post and given a list of Tropes to quote from, it gets repetitive and dumbed down.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (swBIN)

526 My mom was from Arkansas. She said "you knock out a Yankee cannon, and the replace it with three."

Logistics, my boy, logistics.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (C1rbv)

527 re 504: do you blame him?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (kFrCu)

528
456 Not totally up on it but recollection is Grant used lots of friends and associates or them and had lots of corruption
Posted by: Skip at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (xhxe

President Grant was a good lesson on the Peter principle.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (BdMk6)

529 Joe ain't Sally Fields.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (oWBc3)

530 Now on to the Lib bitter tears...

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (ffUJI)

531 I'm beginning to think people here like to be miserable.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (3ImbR)

532 I actually had high hopes for him at one point.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (XvPQV)

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Me too, and when someone mentioned him here, I realized I hadn't heard one thing about him in some time.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (DcKNO)

533 Kari Lake is the .40 of the 9mm v 45 that is Trump v DeSantis.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (zsNoE)

534 502 "gives me hope I wont be the only DJT supporter left here when he claims the nomination again."

I'm for Trump but can move if the facts change, and they may. Trump can take a punch, and I'm not sure the others can. Trump connects with working people and that's the future of rebranding the R party, which Trump has already started -- if we win stongly tonight this will be a huge factor in why.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 08, 2022 06:29 PM (SJsWC)

Trump has also been a hugely positive influence on the party in terms of getting us MAGA candidates (at least to current appearances). He's actively trying to fix the #1 issue that hampered his presidency while out of office, the Republican party.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (eYoxG)

535 Off rat sock.

Posted by: Scoundrel what found the last refuge. at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (tF/Gf)

536 I'm not going to worry about 2024 tonight.
But...
If Lake isn't a speaker at the Republican Convention, I will riot in the streets.
And then write a strongly worded letter!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (anj39)

537 He's a mensch from Queens who mouths off. Deal with it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (llXky)

Yes. And he managed to be the most-pro life, pro-Israel, pro border control man in my lifetime. The others did fuck all, and Reagan signed an amnesty bill.

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (Zzbjj)

538 We need to be asking the tough questions ourselves instead of clapping like seals when they "own" a lefty reporter then go "yup they're the real deal!"

I agree, but I think most people are doing that with, say Youngkin and Lake. We're watching them closely hoping they don't stab us in the back. So far Youngkin has been pretty solid, and we know DeSantis is reliable, but Lake is up in the air right now. She certainly talks a good talk, and that is not insignificant. We need that, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (Ivdso)

539 In Georgia I voted straight ticket (R) except for Raffensperger I wrote in Donald Trump as petty revenge. Watch, the commie Dem will now win it by one vote

Posted by: SamIam at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (oasF3)

540 I actually had high hopes for him at one point.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
---------------------

I thought he was going to be the one.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (bFHf8)

541 DeSantis-Lake 2028
It has been foretold.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (OalnH)

542 >He's a mensch from Queens who mouths off. Deal with it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

I can't recall another issue (actual serious issue, not one of the house memes) that so clearly divided the horde into opposing factions

Posted by: DB at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (geLO8)

543 Accessorizing for the evening - butterscotch or tapioca in a nod to President Depends

Posted by: Chicago Vota at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (ts6Zs)

544
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (ENBF0)

545 Ace with the memes today 👌 👏

Posted by: KarlHungus at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (7pUUL)

546 Was that wrong? Should I not have created a "Death of Democracy" meme with Nicole Simpson as Democracy?

Posted by: George Constanza at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (F5ekr)

547 I notice that you rarely contribute on the topic at hand but whatever arguments fro whatever you want that you can throw at others. Why is that? Why now?
Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (CXr4y)

It's called open thread. For someone who hits the leader board every week, you seem a bit uninformed.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (V13WU)

548 520 IF the Earth was flat and Stacey edged too close, the whole planet would flip.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (Ouyuk)

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (PiwSw)

549 Also Minor Case Rye.
Posted by: garrett

I can't recommend it.

Posted by: zombie J. Epstein at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (P1f+c)

550 NYT just posted "5 Ways to Relieve Election Stress" on teh Twatters.

LOL! The meltdown is beginning.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (bW8dp)

551 And Cold Harbor?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (dNqv+)

All one can say is that even Grant himself admitted that was a huge mistake.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (trdmm)

552 Say, have I ever told you that my father was a mailman?

Posted by: John Kasich at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (a3Q+t)

553 535 Kari Lake is the .40 of the 9mm v 45 that is Trump v DeSantis.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 08, 2022 06:31 PM (zsNoE)

Kari is not unnecessary and silly.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (6VKyY)

554 496 Trump virtuous? ...
I don't care that he's been married 3 times
I don't care who he slept with

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (Zzbjj)

Remember when Leftist women were saying that other women should be getting on the hands and knees and blow BJ Bill?
Oh, and nice has...(Zzbjj)...LOL Sleepy bjs.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (ynpvh)

555 450 ALL the judges were running unopposed, and I didn't vote for any of them.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 05:56 PM (anj39)

Same here. Judges are a big part of our problem.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 08, 2022 06:25 PM (xnWR/)

All the judges here were on all the lines D / R / I...

It makes no sense. And yes, It's a problem.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (CCSxw)

556 "I do know that Kari Lake committed to two terms as governor in Arizona"

plus declaring war on Mexico (since it is a narco state). Lake will become president of the new SW America/Northern Mexico country, after the USA civil wars subside. Viva la Revolucion.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (Cus5s)

557 Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (anj39)

I think that was on purpose by the GOP in retrospect.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (YglAn)

558 Personally, I like all of them, plus Ted Cruz and.357 (Sig and Magnum)

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (zsNoE)

559 In Georgia I voted straight ticket (R) except for Raffensperger I wrote in Donald Trump as petty revenge. Watch, the commie Dem will now win it by one vote

Posted by: SamIam at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (oasF3)

Same. I was tempted to write in "Boffa Deez."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (ptqGC)

560 It wasn't lack of physical courage, but it happened too often. Grant missed the starts of several of his battles due to coordinating with the navy but he was there as soon as he could.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (eoQWY)
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Grant was a true commander. The Big Black River campaign, which led to Vicksburg's capture, is amazing. Unprecedented.

And he crushed the Confederacy. Put it in a hammer-lock. McClellan could have done the exact same thing, but was too weak. Heck, the path to Richmond was wide open!

If you have done any kind of "blind" wargaming, Cold Harbor makes sense. You've been hammering away, you know the other side is suffering, so you see if you can bash your way through the center at last. Lee may well have been out of position, and if Grant had been right, the Army of Northern Virginia was toast.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (llXky)

561 ok, i think tonight would be a good night to drink to excess, back later, crater.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (kFrCu)

562 Maybe the Dems will just put Joe to sleep tonight.

Posted by: That NLurker guy at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (VdGjU)

563 If Trump is the Republican candidate for president he definitely gets my vote. Trump proved himself while holding office as president. You can only thing that disappointed me about Trump's term in office was people like Jeff sessions and mad dog Mattis who turned out to be big pussies. Trump is a BMF Street Fighter I did notice he painted Trump Force One black and last night his hair was dyed a little darker he doesn't have the orange Man. tan going for him either. DJT cuz obviously underwent grammar and diction lessons as well I think you dropped a few pounds too he is READY TO RUMBLE....

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (RkeIs)

564 NYT just posted "5 Ways to Relieve Election Stress" on teh Twatters.

LOL! The meltdown is beginning.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (bW8dp)

LOL! yeah, ace posted that they got some "news" around 3pm .

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (V13WU)

565 *Cold Harbor has entered the chat*

*7,000 Union Soldiers have left the chat*
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (yQpMk)

*golfclap*
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (dNqv+)

Yup, that was a last throw of the overland campaign. Lee was stretched to his utmost but the design of his entrenchments was superb, built in a day and a night. If he had broken the line, the war would have been over as Lee had no reserves at all.

A few days later, Grant pulled off a masterful move, holding off all Reb scouts, crossing the James and getting 90000 troops to the gates of Petersburg before Lee had any idea where he was. Only a series of mistakes and overcaution kept Grant from ending the war there. But once Lee believed Beauregard about the location of the AofP he managed to get his men down there to man the trenches and hold the line, but at that point the war was over. Lee was pinned and as soon as he lost an engagement it would be the end.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (eoQWY)

566 ith Nicole Simpson as Democracy?
Posted by: George Constanza at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (F5ekr)

Nice hash, fucker.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion Spock at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (ufFY8)

567 re 565: or he'll be chasing his dog around and accidentally fall out of a third floor window.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (kFrCu)

568 443 If this is the best reason for some to support DeSantis I will vote for Trump twice. This is just plain dumb.

Posted by: JackStraw

I'm not saying anyone should vote for DeSantis for this reason.

I'm saying the only strategy Democrats have is vilifying Trump. That's it. They can't win on issues.

They can't say "they'll destroy RvW". No one cares if you do away with fag marriage that isn't already a Democrat. They can't really run on "they won't let your 13 daughter get a double mastectomy". Maybe the environment? I think that's a loser, too.
They can't even run as anti-war.

All they have is the evil Trump monster.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (xLqhd)

569 544 DeSantis-Lake 2028
It has been foretold.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (OalnH)

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THAT would be powerful.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (DcKNO)

570 "I do know that Kari Lake committed to two terms as governor in Arizona"

Meaning it is really not practical for her to run in 2028 as she would have two years left from being re-elected in 2026. Meaning 2032 will be her first opportunity to run for President.

Posted by: CtHillary, dead but dreaming at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (zSyrn)

571 Posted by: John Kasich at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (a3Q+t)

That flo-bee haircut too

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (YglAn)

572 Biggest problems facing a Trump presidential campaign in 2024:
1. Dat ego
2. Has to account for his role in covidmania
3. The guy's like 900 years old, just saying

Posted by: CppThis at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (UewuT)

573 540 He's a mensch from Queens who mouths off. Deal with it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (llXky)

Yes. And he managed to be the most-pro life, pro-Israel, pro border control man in my lifetime. The others did fuck all, and Reagan signed an amnesty bill.
Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (Zzbjj)
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If not for Trump there would be no tsunami, there would be no wave it would just be another hill.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (bFHf8)

574 DeSantis-Lake 2028
It has been foretold.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (OalnH)
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No. Lake as SecDef.

I'd come out of retirement for that...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (llXky)

575 544 DeSantis-Lake 2028
It has been foretold.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at November 08, 2022 06:32 PM (OalnH)

Trump - Pompeo '24 - '28
DeSantis - Lake '28 - '36
Lake - Barron Trump '36 - ????

(still holding out for Barron to become Lord Protector)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (trdmm)

576 Yay! It's a victory and-

187 >>>Oh, I get it. Bye, troll.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
it's not trolling. It's preposterous the absurd levels of virtue some of you ascribe to trump.
ou just pretend he's not doing this out of ego -- no, it's all to Save The People. I mean, gimme a break.
By the way, he didn't spend his fortune. He was actually very cheap. He refused to spend money for a proper election challenge in Nevada in 2020, for example, and just let the RNC spend $40,000 or whatever on a recount. The cost for a challenge he was quoted was around $2 million, IIRC, and he didn't want to pay it, so the cheap option it was.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:03 PM (C1Zwz)

Hey, Let's not start ~~sucking each other's dicks~~

stabbing each other in the pancreas with rusty screwdrivers quite yet, gentlemen.

By the way, that's goes for Trump as well.
Let's celebrate. Let the good feelings flow. Get an agenda moving.
Then-

let the knives come out to see who'll lead in 2024.

Criminy.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (KLPy8)

577 NYT just posted "5 Ways to Relieve Election Stress" on teh Twatters.

LOL! The meltdown is beginning.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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Scream at the sky?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (Dat+p)

578 IF the Earth was flat and Stacey edged too close, the whole planet would flip.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM

As I have foreseen.

Posted by: Hank Johnson at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (a3Q+t)

579 Posted by: runner
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I notice that you rarely contribute on the topic at hand but whatever arguments fro whatever you want that you can throw at others. Why is that? Why now?
Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (CXr4y)

'cause he's a douche?

What do I win? Where do I collect my winnings...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (CCSxw)

580 It was Lee coming down sick at the North Anna River that is the all-time 'what if' of the Civil War.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (T0jjm)

581 Toobin has 5 ways of relieving stress at zoom meetings.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (GsQOb)

582 They stole for Biden, they will steal it again for someone else. It is a much easier campaign if they spend two years badmouthing Trump to the AWFL's. What will curse the D's is fuel prices and tranny shite.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (b+v9B)

583 re 567: did they include masterbating? sometimes works for me. buzz

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (kFrCu)

584 LOL

Poso just posted, "NANCY PELOSI IS FLEEING THE COUNTRY TO EGYPT!"

So she's no longer very worried about Paul.

Get in those nice trips while you can, Nancy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (ptqGC)

585 Pima County in AZ (which is where ultra-blue Tucson is located) dropped some numbers for Election Day turnout

51% R
20% D
28% IND

Looks really good for Republicans!
Posted by: Hylian at November 08, 2022 06:28 PM (dpIbY)

Excellent. Is Crowder doing a live stream?

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (Ed8Zd)

586 I'm befuddled, why are we, tonight, discussing Trump?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (Dat+p)

587 >>432 Wild Turkey 101 is one of my favorites. I like that it's not terribly expensive.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (xPJvm

In my drinking days I'd go through 2 handles a week. Potent stuff!

Posted by: Frasier Crane at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (8VW1P)

588 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (xLqhd)

The evil Trump monster got 72 million votes.

The election was stolen. I'm not sure why this is hard to accept.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (YglAn)

589 I'm an ex-Moronette now? When do I get my letter of censure? Will it be on cardboard or used newspaper?

Posted by: pookysgirl, managing 400+ emails tonight at November 08, 2022 06:13 PM (XKZwp)

I was upgraded last year from cardboard to foil...but it was a bunch of used chewing gum foil.
Had to pay extra for the chewed up gum.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:26 PM (anj39)

Luxury! I'm still only at the restaurant grease trap membership level.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (n2xrq)

590 If not for Trump there would be no tsunami, there would be no wave it would just be another hill.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (bFHf

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Dobbs. Guns. His Supreme Court picks are still paying dividends. They'll probably gut affirmative action.

But muh tweets and name-calling.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (llXky)

591 ...and how many of those 30% that want to see Biden run, want him to run because he'd be easy to defeat? I mean, I want to see Biden run in '24!

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (f7Cdr)

592 I'm not saying anyone should vote for DeSantis for this reason.

I'm saying the only strategy Democrats have is vilifying Trump. That's it. They can't win on issues.

They can't say "they'll destroy RvW". No one cares if you do away with fag marriage that isn't already a Democrat. They can't really run on "they won't let your 13 daughter get a double mastectomy". Maybe the environment? I think that's a loser, too.
They can't even run as anti-war.

All they have is the evil Trump monster.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (xLqhd)

There's personal scandal. Personal scandal, fake or otherwise, doesn't really work on Trump. No telling what they'll make up against the next non-Trump presidential candidate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (eYoxG)

593 I'm out. Have a good one.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (ynpvh)

594 497 @380 whig-I like what DeSantis is doing so far but dammit we've been burned by governors that do a good job governing and campaigning at the state level.......get to the national stage and you wonder wtf happened. Same thing I said yesterday, keep them at arms length and don't fall in love. Felt that way about Cruz back in 2016, feel that way about Trump even now, goes for DeSantis and Kari Lake for that matter. The conservative media is useless for vetting these people out and so are we citizens. We need to be asking the tough questions ourselves instead of clapping like seals when they "own" a lefty reporter then go "yup they're the real deal!" Frustrating and WE. DO. IT. ALL. THE. TIME.
Posted by: JROD
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Yes. People spend a lot of chatter thinking politics is like sports. It isn't. Politicians are not celebrities--your garbageman probably has more to do with you living healthy than they do. They are venal, arrogant, decadent, and over time learn to hate their constituents. So, treat them and think of them like the contractor you hired to fix the garbage disposal and forget being a fanboi.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (CXr4y)

595 Imagine the lights going out at the Super Bowl, this is the equivalent of these Election Day fuckups. You had one job people.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (oWBc3)

596 CBS Exit Poll:

Would you like to see Joe Biden run for president again in 2024?

No 66%
Yes 30%

30 percent yes ? This does not show a good future for our republic

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (M+Lyo)

597 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (Dat+p)

The man is a lightening rod for everything.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (YglAn)

598
73% of Voters Either Dissatisfied or Angry at Biden Record

__________

Could be the nutzos are no happier with him than normal people are.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 08, 2022 06:37 PM (MoZTd)

599 588 I'm befuddled, why are we, tonight, discussing Trump?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (Dat+p)

*Checks prescription*

For querulous assholes...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (dNqv+)

600 Is it time for Patakimania to show up again?

Me in 2024!!

Posted by: George! at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (1DgE4)

601 Oh, sorry. I forgot that he did something 50 years ago that every American male was expected to do.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate

Crash a couple very expensive aircraft?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (FGctj)

602 596 I'm out. Have a good one.
Posted by: jim
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Sorry jim. Hope your covid is getting better and your family.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (CXr4y)

603 Get in those nice trips while you can, Nancy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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One of the heartwarming moments of the Trump Presidency, was when he canceled her shopping trip to Belgium.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (/1cnq)

604 He's a mensch from Queens who mouths off. Deal with it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:27 PM (llXky)

Bush sucked up the insults like a sponge and said nothing, which IMO costed us all. The fact that he did not express anger and outrage at the hitler stuff, or the cruel GOP lines helped cement that notion into little dem brains and some independent ones. If someone calls you a vicious bastard who wants to kill old people, do any of us just laugh it off? I wouldn't, and don't think tolerating ugly accusations is preferable to going after the accuser.

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (Zzbjj)

605 590 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (xLqhd)

The evil Trump monster got 72 million votes.

The election was stolen. I'm not sure why this is hard to accept.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (YglAn)

74 million officially.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (eYoxG)

606
I think that was on purpose by the GOP in retrospect.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:33 PM (YglAn)

I think you are right.
He got a wiff of the Tea Party spirit and then reality hit.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (anj39)

607 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (dNqv+)

608 > Scream at the sky?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:35 PM (Dat+p)

One of them was "plunge your face in a bowl of ice water for 15 to 30 seconds".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (bW8dp)

609 Kari actually said she will be governor for four years and she will win twice. I may have misheard, but I think there was a tiny bit of weasel room after four years to be something else...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (ufFY8)

610 533. Yes it's the closet Democrats masquerading as independents

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (RkeIs)

611 All they have is the evil Trump monster.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
--------------------------------

Boooooooo

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (bFHf8)

612 stabbing each other in the pancreas with rusty screwdrivers quite yet, gentlemen

LOL. That sound oddly specific. Have you been the stabber or the stabbee?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (5rpT/)

613 I'm befuddled, why are we, tonight, discussing Trump?

-

I think it's because the news is pretending nothing is happening today and everyone is irritated.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (PVq+O)

614 This thread -> democracy

Noting there's a NOOD -> voting straight R

Posted by: banana Dream at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (0fVbu)

615
Magic Johnson endorsing Stretchin the day before the election is his funniest statement since "I have attained AIDS."

Posted by: Auspex at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (j4U/Z)

616 Rejected names for Guam: Dwab. Brof. Plek.

Posted by: Super Flower Blood Moon gp at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (24fqN)

617 588 I'm befuddled, why are we, tonight, discussing Trump?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (Dat+p)

Because that cheap bastard lives rent free in everybody's head!

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (pwExq)

618 588 I'm befuddled, why are we, tonight, discussing Trump?
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Started in previous thread.

Posted by: whig at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (CXr4y)

619 588 I'm befuddled, why are we, tonight, discussing Trump?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (Dat+p)

I've said it before, there are some DeSantis pushers who derail many threads to bash Trump. Sure it's fair to have Trump as a topic on a thread about Trump, but it doesn't need to be every thread.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (eYoxG)

620 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (u73oe)

621 McClellan ran as a D for POTUS in 1864 on a "negotiated peace, stop the war now" platform. Draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 08, 2022 06:30 PM (CgtKh)

Yes, Lincoln said that the Dems would either have to run a War Democrat on a peace platform or a Peace Democrat on a war platform. McC shows the former.

But in the campaign, McC did say that he would not allow a peace treaty that did not bring the South back into the Union or he would be betraying the troops, so he Repudiated his own platform.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (eoQWY)

622 Say, have I ever told you that my father was a mailman?
Posted by: John Kasich

Hey John, did you ever learn to not put regular dish detergent in your dishwashing machine?

Idjit.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (LsEU/)

623 The evil Trump monster got 72 million votes.

The election was stolen. I'm not sure why this is hard to accept.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (YglAn)
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Biden got more votes than Obama did in Michigan, and yet there was no change in the state House. Two seats changed hands for net zero impact.

Weirdly, when Obama was on the ballot, both times the GOP got hammered in down-ballot races.

It's like someone filled in a bunch of ballots with just the president part marked.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (llXky)

624 50 Way To Relieve Your Election

You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 08, 2022 06:39 PM (FVME7)

625 There are dozens of what ifs in the war between the states. Federalism won, regardless.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 08, 2022 06:40 PM (oWBc3)

626 74 million officially.

-

81M.

It's why they keep pointing that specific number out regarding Biden.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 08, 2022 06:40 PM (PVq+O)

627 Funny on Drudge for the last 7 days thet have had a report on the 538 blog on the %of the Republican takeover of the Senate. It was static about +55%. Then it decreased to 51% through monday. Now I read on Hot air that it had increased to 59% republican.

Drudge has totally dtopped the line item as Republicans are surging
Media instigation

Posted by: Redenzo at November 08, 2022 06:40 PM (E7vND)

628 Posted by: Diogenes at November 08, 2022 06:38 PM (anj39)

GOP couldn't have him on the main stage making traction.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:40 PM (YglAn)

629 Fires up comments . .

Reads enough to get the gist . . .

Gonna be a feisty evening

Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 08, 2022 06:40 PM (8AONa)

630 Back to the model building and watching anime.

Waiting for the paint to dry on the F4F-3 and dragged off the not finished pile an SBD-5 to find part of the lower fuselage is damaged and when I tried to fix it the whole part broke off and got swallowed by the carpet monster so putting in a piece of sheet plastic.

Building planes that blew lots of Japanese out of the war while watching Japanese cartoons. So nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (Ouyuk)

631 townhall.com Al Franken on CNN:
"What I worry about...if the Republicans take over...we're not gonna be able to pass anything...There will be hearings...they'll investigate Hunter Biden...those people will want to impeach Biden...I worry about it just being very, very ugly."
_______________

Sounds like an agenda to me.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (YqDXo)

632 Wait...
Are people talking shit about Donald Trump in here?
How... DARE.... you...
*eyes begin to glow and keyboard begins to rise into the air"

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (T0jjm)

633 Oz lost to the Gronk? sheesh

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (Cus5s)

634
Yup, that was a last throw of the overland campaign. Lee was stretched to his utmost but the design of his entrenchments was superb, built in a day and a night. If he had broken the line, the war would have been over as Lee had no reserves at all.

A few days later, Grant pulled off a masterful move, holding off all Reb scouts, crossing the James and getting 90000 troops to the gates of Petersburg before Lee had any idea where he was. Only a series of mistakes and overcaution kept Grant from ending the war there. But once Lee believed Beauregard about the location of the AofP he managed to get his men down there to man the trenches and hold the line, but at that point the war was over. Lee was pinned and as soon as he lost an engagement it would be the end.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:34 PM (eoQWY)

Political General Ben Butler stupidly getting his detached force bottled-up in the Bermuda Hundred peninsula, instead of threatening Richmond's lines of supply from the SE was not included in Grant's plans for the 1864 campaign. If Grant had had Sherman and his top subordinates running the Army of the Potomac in 1864, history would have been a lot different.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (AMIL/)

635

The election was stolen. I'm not sure why this is hard to accept.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (YglAn)

And they're at it again. Arizona, PA, and Michigan might take weeks to count. Bullshit.
I guess some people thought dems would break ranks and out each other. The complicit GOP won't even do that. Pols are out for themselves and know their careers are finished if they admit the truth.
Some here are skeered of being "deniers"

Posted by: CN at November 08, 2022 06:42 PM (Zzbjj)

636 There are dozens of what ifs in the war between the states. Federalism won, regardless.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at November 08, 2022 06:40 PM (oWBc3)

Truth, I meant to write "is the all-time what if for me.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 08, 2022 06:42 PM (T0jjm)

637 316 >>>Respectfully,

that's naïve boss, all politicians are all about themselves.

I know what you mean, but no, not really. Yes, it takes an ego to run for office, and a bigger ego to say "I should be president," but Trump's need to make everything about him is really unprecedented.

I mean, he's angry at DeSantis for not showing him "loyalty." Loyalty? What? For what? You endorsed him. He also... endorsed you. And campaigned... for you.

But Trump thinks everyone should genuflect to him.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2022 06:14 PM (C1Zwz)
_________

Sure, he's an egotist. But unprecedented? Have you forgotten the guy who preceded him?

Posted by: Eeyore at November 08, 2022 06:42 PM (TgBWG)

638 The evil Trump monster got 72 million votes.

The election was stolen. I'm not sure why this is hard to accept.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (YglAn)

It isn't hard to believe, I believe it. I believe it as much as you. I know he won.

But Trump hate is real.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:43 PM (xLqhd)

639 Don’t mix Woodford dammit! Just ice for that stuff.

Better still, have had six bottles of Woodford that were a from a barrel bought by a local grocery store and a local bar and bottled with the store and bar’s name on it. it is amazing. Usually Woodford is blended from many barrels. If you can get your hands on I something like it, buy it. It’s strong and sweet , like a very expensive Buffalo Trace product.

Posted by: Brian at November 08, 2022 06:43 PM (POgSw)

640 All of them were credible candidates. Let's see how many come out in 2024.
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2022 06:24 PM (pwExq)

Jeb! was DOA. No one was voting for another Bush. Cruz was a blackhole that sucked excitement from the room. Kasich was hated by his own state. Carson had no credentials except black. Fiorina destroyed HP. Rand Paul libertarian DOA. Newt was a joke candidacy. Perry had possibilities. Rubio was already a joke by then. The rest were governors. You know what showed all these candidates to be incompetent? None could take Trump's positions and run with them. Not one could.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2022 06:44 PM (EpDzw)

641 I just bought a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 (my nephew works there!), so I will report back breathlessly in the next few weeks that yes...bourbon is good!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 08, 2022 06:21 PM (XIJ/X)
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Thank goodness, since your other nephew who's a crab fisherman in Alaska might be out of work. See if he can work on a Kobe beef ranch.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 08, 2022 06:44 PM (Dc2NZ)

642 Field report:

Seemed pretty busy at my polling place here in western NY (Niagara County) a few minutes ago.

My state senator and state assemblyman are running unopposed, and they're Republicans, so I guess this must be a fairly Republican district.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2022 06:44 PM (hOOi9)

643 >>All they have is the evil Trump monster.

I wouldn't disagree with you. It's not nearly enough.

I think some seem to forget how popular Trump actually is with people not the media. Look at the candidates who are winning tonight. Kari Lake, who I have been (figuratively, sadly) humping for the last year is running as an unabashed Trump MAGA candidate. DeSantis was trailing in the Republican primary in FL until he got Trump's endorsement in his first run and then ran ads with his young son build a wall out of blocks. Virtually all new Republicans we pulling for tonight are Trump Republicans.

Trump's fingerprints are all over this new Republican party. He is the undisputed leader of the Republican party today and there isn't even a viable challenger. That's not my opinion that is what is happening. Trump spent the last 2 years doing rallies across the country for these candidates we are cheering on tonight. Despite the media hating him what evidence is there that people don't like his leadership?

Bring it on. Trump vs whomever the Democrats nominate. I like our chances.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2022 06:45 PM (ZLI7S)

644 Oz lost to the Gronk?

If you factor in the fraud, probably. Oz wasn't ever a strong candidate anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2022 06:45 PM (Ivdso)

645 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2022 06:43 PM (xLqhd)

Yes Trump hate is real. And they had to fucking cheat to beat him.

This shit is overblown IMO.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Up in arms like Minutemen at November 08, 2022 06:45 PM (YglAn)

646 Yeah, McClellan did a nice job of putting the Army of the Potomac together. But all he did was march it up and down until Lincoln was forced to say:

"If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time."

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 08, 2022 06:47 PM (ZSK0i)

647 It was Lee coming down sick at the North Anna River that is the all-time 'what if' of the Civil War.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 08, 2022 06:36 PM (T0jjm)

What if Lee tried off another charge against a fortified line like the disasters at Malvern Hill or Pickett's charge or Bristoe Station, do you mean?

Post Meade running the army after Chancellorsville Lee never had success pushing the AOP off the field, though he could spank them fairly badly at times. I see no reason why North Anna would have been different than his other attacks in the overland campaign and there would have been no flanking possible.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:47 PM (eoQWY)

648 Nood...new post

Posted by: DaveX64 - AWFLs smell like dryer sheets at November 08, 2022 06:48 PM (QrFBC)

649 Political General Ben Butler stupidly getting his detached force bottled-up in the Bermuda Hundred peninsula, instead of threatening Richmond's lines of supply from the SE was not included in Grant's plans for the 1864 campaign. If Grant had had Sherman and his top subordinates running the Army of the Potomac in 1864, history would have been a lot different.
Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (AMIL/)

Sherman was perfectly placed where he could run a campaign of maneuver. He would have been wasted in the East. The Army of the Potomac was simply a dysfunctional mess. Sherman would have had to shoot generals to get what he wanted. A historian pointed out that while the Western Union armies might not have had many great generals, they had consistently competent leadership that usually worked well together.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2022 06:49 PM (EpDzw)

650 @643 Right on!

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 08, 2022 06:49 PM (SJsWC)

651 Political General Ben Butler stupidly getting his detached force bottled-up in the Bermuda Hundred peninsula, instead of threatening Richmond's lines of supply from the SE was not included in Grant's plans for the 1864 campaign. If Grant had had Sherman and his top subordinates running the Army of the Potomac in 1864, history would have been a lot different.
Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (AMIL/)

Yeah, and Sigel screwing up in the Valley didn't help either. But Grant just put out a new plan, defended Washington from Early's Raid, and moved on to a junction with Butler. This pinned Lee to Richmond and Petersburg, and when Lee detached forces to get Grant to retire he detached forces of his own to block the raid on Washington, and when they dicked about too long sent the Cavalry and Sheridan to crush the detached Corps. Only a small force ever got back to Lee.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 06:52 PM (eoQWY)

652 649 Political General Ben Butler stupidly getting his detached force bottled-up in the Bermuda Hundred peninsula, instead of threatening Richmond's lines of supply from the SE was not included in Grant's plans for the 1864 campaign. If Grant had had Sherman and his top subordinates running the Army of the Potomac in 1864, history would have been a lot different.
Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 06:41 PM (AMIL/)

Sherman was perfectly placed where he could run a campaign of maneuver. He would have been wasted in the East. The Army of the Potomac was simply a dysfunctional mess. Sherman would have had to shoot generals to get what he wanted. A historian pointed out that while the Western Union armies might not have had many great generals, they had consistently competent leadership that usually worked well together.

Posted by: WiNO at November 08, 2022 06:49 PM (EpDzw)

I agree. Without Sherman running the Georgia Campaign, the Union does not take Savannah before the 1864 election, which could have shifted history in a disastrous direction.

Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 07:01 PM (AMIL/)

653 Ok, 7 pm eastern. Any NH results?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 08, 2022 07:01 PM (7bRMQ)

654 Old Joe--a small, mean, nasty corrupt man had the sort of reverse Midas touch when he went out to "help" Dims campaign.

Posted by: GlendaleGreybeard at November 08, 2022 07:02 PM (K57hO)

655 653- was just getting ready to post its 7p est, ding ding…results should start coming in now. We hope.

Posted by: Piper at November 08, 2022 07:03 PM (ZdaMQ)

656 Jen Psaki sees the writing on the wall it seems

https://twitter.com/jrpsaki/status/1590095135282712576

Posted by: RJ at November 08, 2022 07:19 PM (kLlSa)

657 Over? Was it over when a Trump supporter in his underwear broke into Nancy Pelosi's house with a hammer? It's not over until we decide it is!

Posted by: ChrisW at November 08, 2022 07:30 PM (ItDku)

658 I agree. Without Sherman running the Georgia Campaign, the Union does not take Savannah before the 1864 election, which could have shifted history in a disastrous direction.
Posted by: Gref at November 08, 2022 07:01 PM (AMIL/)

Atlanta. Savannah was taken around Xmas time, after the March to the Sea.

Agree this was a big thing, though Sheridan also had his wins at Winchester and Cedar Creek all of which put and end to any 'no progress in the war' argument by the Dems.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 08, 2022 07:47 PM (eoQWY)

659 sock off

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